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City Council, meeting 34, November 7, 2017 - Part 2 of 3 - Afternoon Session
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11867
Part 1 of 3 - Morning Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiGZpgvBypU#t=5m59s
Part 3 of 3 - Evening Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQBa9pJ8IPQ#t=3m27s

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0:07:27 - Meeting resume

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Members account, so if you can, please take your seats members.

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This meeting is now resumed before the recess council.

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Was considering the mayor's second key item, which is pw 24.9 on the bloor.

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Street west bike lane pilot project before we return to that item, I would.

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Take the release of member holds: do we have any releases deputy mayor min and.

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Wang deputy mayor men and wong- yes, sorry I was being in I was being in. I was.

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Interrupted, I'm sorry, okay, your name is up there.

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Let's see discipline around here, page 8 we're taking the release of hold yeah.

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That's what I figured that's, why I put my name on it.

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Here he comes again striking committee, st fourteen point: two appointments to.

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Fill a vacancy on the city school board advisory committee: it's without.

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Recommendations there's a motion motion received, it didn't seem to be a wall.

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There was no interest in the chamber for later so motion receive, oh okay, so on.

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Page eight st fourteen point two appointment to fill the vacancy on the.

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City school boards advisory committee there's a receipt motion on favor.

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Carried just below that st fourteen point, four appointment to fill a vacancy.

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On the canadian stage, company board of directors, that's a motion to receive for.

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The same reason: okay, I'm sorry. Fourteen point four did I say fourteen point four.

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Yeah, you did just say fourteen point four right. Yes,.

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Okay, so you're moving receipt as well. Yes, okay, there we are on page 8, st 14.4.

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Appointment to fill vacancy on the canadian stage, company board move.

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Receipt on favor carry recorded vote recorded vote.

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Councillor carol, please.

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The motion carries unanimously 28 in favor count sarducci on oh yeah. Thank.

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You, madam speaker, I can release item e^x 28 on what I sorry page 4. Yes, e^x 28.1.

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For the development charge, complaint 77 glendon rush boulevard, I've had my.

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Concerns answered. Thank you on page 4 ix, 28 point 14 development charge complaint.

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77 glendon rush boulevard, counter d channels releasing on favor carey.

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Councillor carol, thank you, madam speaker. Yes, minister, I held three items because.

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I hadn't finished reading the agenda and people got very exercised about it. I'm.

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Releasing all three p a page 3x 28.7, the toronto atmospheric fund recommendation.

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To amend open meeting requirements, I can release that one okay on page 3, x, 28.7.

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Counselor carol's releasing on favor carried and on page 5 out of committee.

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10.9, improving the effectiveness of the basement, flooding protection, subsidy.

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Program I can release that one: okay on page 5 recorded vote, au 10.9, recorded.

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Vote how's your cola, please councillor.

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Fletcher, please: the item is adopted unanimously 30 in.

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Favor now skip carroll and yes, lastly, now.

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Almost everybody gets to go home, page 14 cc, 34.3 appointment of a public member.

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To the toronto local appeal body, I can release at now. Thank you. Okay, on page 14,.

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Cc 34.3 recorded both cause. Remember lady. Please.

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Councillor shiner, when you're seated, the item is adopted unanimously, 31 in.

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Favor bounce it forward. Thank you, madam.

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Speaker, page 4 e x, 28 point 2, 0, non-union.

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Cost-Of-Living adjustment, which are lisa on page 40 x, 28 point 20, counts to ford.

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Is releasing recorded boat, counselor pasternak, please counselor.

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Matt low no sir fletcher, please cows are wong-tam.

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The item carries unanimously 33 in favor.

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Castor robinson, thank you, madam chair on page 4a x, 28, point 18 as well as 19.

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Occupational health and safety report quarterly and the first and second.

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Quarters those to please I'd like to release. Thank you on page 4, px 28 point.

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18 councillor robinson, is releasing on favor.

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Carry on page 40, x, 28 point 19 on favor carried councillor grimes. Thank you.

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Madame speaker, page 3 e ex 28.3, public transit infrastructure fund phase, 1.

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Update, I have my questions actually answered my own question so I'll release some of the recorded vote. Okay on page 3 e ex 28.3 recorded vote.

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How's her colon kel's, her cressy, please cancer, pasternak, please.

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The item carries unanimously 36 in favor.

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Councillor fletcher, thank you speaker page for e ex 28 point.

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15 lease agreements with the scarborough rouge hospital and the ymca of greater.

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Toronto for the development of the bridal town community hub and I'd like.

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To release that and say this is an extremely innovative model that I've.

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Been had the chance to learn about and congratulate to councillor kelly and.

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Councillor lee and others for coming up with this and working on that good luck.

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To them on page 4 e x, 28 point 15 on favor the coordinate phone.

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How's your coal, please counter wong-tam, please counselor motlow,.

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Councillor mallow, please, the item.

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Carries unanimously 36 in favor your neck. Thank you, speaker, page 10 item ny.

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25.3 sorry 20 25 point two seven like to be recorded in the negative. I urge.

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Everybody to defeat this a recorded vote, I am buddy to defeat defeat. This route.

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Okay, what it is on page 10 and why 25 27 application to remove at private tree on.

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121 elmore avenue recorded vote.

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Councillor lee please answer palacio, please.

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The item carries twenty nine two six councillor matt low.

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Madam speaker, I can release on page eight st 14 point 8 councilmember.

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Appointments to the canadian national exhibition association, then I can. I can.

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Keep holding it in that case, okay, okay, members, we do have a reviewed, a number.

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Of urgent motions to be added to the agenda counts there.

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Okay, counselor layton, now sir layton, who was the second er.

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Count: okay, counselor late. Oh this is to introduce a motion regarding upholding a.

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Committee of adjustment decision on favor carried.

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Counts early, your next.

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Thank you very much because I am requesting permission to introduce this.

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Because I can is getting his award yeah. Okay, just one sec, castor lane, counts to.

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Grimes please counter lane. Ok, go go ahead.

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Council ii: yes, I'm requesting permission to.

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Introduce this motion that reaffirms rondo's as a nuclear weapons free zone.

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Not free I'm favor carried a post, you won't have a recorded vote. Do you.

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Want a recorded vote councillor fletcher's asking for a.

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Recorded vote, this is to introduce.

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This is an introduction of emotion, counselor, kelly, counselor, kara gianna's.

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Counselor perks, please howser cole, please cows are cool. Can we have your vote? Please.

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Counselor croissant a and cal surf ragged a cos when you're seated, please.

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The motion to add to the agenda carries 34 to four counts. Our posture neck.

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Yes, the this is, this is required. It's a.

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Technical amendment that's required so that sanofi pasteur can continue with.

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Their the building of a pharmaceutical plant.

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ah I'm favor carried who's next, which deputy, merriman and wang. No, you.

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Have two of them? I have two notices a motion: they'll. Thank you. Yes, okay, okay,.

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Do you want to introduce it? I I'd like to introduce this motion and it's let's.

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See it's urgent as these boards currently have vacancies that should be filled as soon as possible. I'm favor carried, so you have another one as well. Thank you.

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And oh, yes, this is an appointment for councillor, lucy josie.

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Because she doesn't have a she's not sitting on a korean standing committee.

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On favor kari counts are shiner. Yes, madam speaker, we put the motion up by.

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Well, I have a motion. The council contends sitter of the appointment of an.

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Interim chief building official I'm favor carrie counter shiner, you of.

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Another one I'm still standing hey. Why is there so much noise.

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Like what what's going on it's the staff, that must be the staff, ah please, I can't.

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I can't hear a councillor shiner get counselor shiner, so I want to add a.

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Motion to the agenda for technical amendments to a bylaw regarding to 214.

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Cusack court, I'm favor carrie, now a shiner, you have another one. Yes,.

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Staff have made me a very busy person, not my staff. These are technical.

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Amendments are infest by staff. This one is to request a solicitor to attend at.

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The local appeal body regarding eight committee of adjustment applications.

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I'm favor carried, I think I'm done cows, your cressy. Thank you speaker.

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This is urgent in order to allow public around the province to be authorized to.

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Take place shortly, I'm favor carried counts chris. You.

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Have another one? Thank you speaker. This is urgent.

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As the amendments are required in order to to meet the parent by loss on favor.

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Carried who's next, okay, now counselor krusty, you informed.

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Me earlier that you have a petition. Thank you speaker. I neglected to do this.

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This morning I do have a petition of 4480 signatories for residents of the.

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City of toronto, in support of making the blower bike lanes permanent, I'm favor.

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Carrie countered layton. Yes, thank you very much, but I'm speaker. I too have a.

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Petition here signed by four thousand five hundred and seven people, we, the.

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Undersigned support making bloor street bike lanes permanent favor carrie said.

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It okay: we will now go back to the the mayor's key item, which was pw 24.9. If I.

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Can ask the staff to put the names on the screen.

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We were asking questions cows, your posture neck. Thank you, madam speaker. I.

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Hope, I'm not repeating a couple of these questions regarding finances, but it's my.

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Understanding that, through you to staff that we allocated to this chamber.

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$800,000 for the pilot project and I'm just wondering whether that entire.

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Amount has been spent I'll put your tune to you, madam speaker,.

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Sir we're looking for the specific number through you, madam speaker, I don't.

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We're called the number 800,000, but I do need to check the the reporting and the.

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Details, but we this project certainly came in within budget and the projected.

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Loss of revenue from parking was overstated by the tpa and we've reduced.

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We've had less loss than wasn't originally anticipated. That was my next.

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Question I have the loss in the report. Four hundred and thirty six thousand.

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Dollars does that sound about right and less than a tip is anticipated through.

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You, madam speaker, the loss for the on street parking was less than anticipated.

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And that's the four hundred and thirty six thousand that you're referencing the.

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Overall, revenue for parking within this area actually slightly increased because.

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It included the revenue from the off street lots which increased no you're.

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Not sure how much the pub the the pilots cost the number listed here is four.

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Hundred and twenty five thousand to remove the bike lanes through you, madam.

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Speaker that is correct, and what would be the incremental cost of making them.

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Permanent is there or it's done it's there's, nothing more to add. It's a.

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Little bit more of a complex question: you could have them be permanent as they.

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Stand we are recommending some modifications which were discussed at.

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The public works and infrastructure committee to improve safety and in.

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Reduced travel times, those haven't yet been costed out and certainly would be.

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If we had council direction to make it permanent- and you would do some of those.

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On its own and 2018, potentially and but the majority of those things and the.

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Higher cost elements of those things would be done as part of a wider capital.

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Project in 2019 that needs to be designed, so I have 16 million dollars as.

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The annual budget for the ten years cycling network planned is that is that.

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Number still accurate. This is from 2016 through you, madam speaker, that is the.

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Amount that council directive d considered as part of the 2017 and.

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Beyond capital budget process for the 10-year select.

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Network plan, the funding for the second network plan slightly shifted because of.

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The influx of funds that came from the public transit infrastructure fund from.

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The federal government, so the budget for the cycling infrastructure program, is.

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Split between approximately 8 million in the 2017 budget for cycling.

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Infrastructure specifically and a higher amount, which I can get the details on.

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For you, if you're interested on the the public transit infrastructure fund,.

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Details, so it's it's not split. In the same way it was originally envisioned in.

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The 10-year cycle network plan council endorsement, so the the fund had.

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Unexpected federal infrastructure money did that augment the 16 million that.

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Council had approved annually or or did that was, was that embedded in the 16.

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Million and reduced the tax base proportion through you, madam speaker, it.

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Was the the terms of the public transit infrastructure fund required their.

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Projects, the incremental to the existing program ie, not in the existing budget, so.

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We accelerated items that were in the later stages of the ten years, like the.

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Network plan and then used funding that was planned as part of the ten years.

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Like network plan to supplement it, so it extended vance projects but out of the.

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Existing budget, so it's not in a dish, it is in addition to the 16 million, but the.

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City's portion of the investment is not in addition to it's actually about half.

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So we're still working within the 16 million dollar a year envelope. That's a.

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Blend of city, municipal and federal monies. Is that what you just said no.

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It's it's in addition to that, because the influx of federal money needed to be.

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Projects that weren't yet in our budget, so it's more than that.

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All right more to a regional question. I guess I've been here seven years and.

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I've had lovely meetings with with transportation with cycling.

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Infrastructure, everyone's all happy, I bring out the ward map, I show them where.

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We can connect off street paths where bike lanes could potentially go and then.

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I get a call two weeks later on how broke we are and there's no money for.

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Cycling and then, then, a few weeks later I wake up and I go online. Then there's.

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An announcement there's another project downtown. I'm wondering how we.

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Can create a more equitable system across the city so that we can? We can.

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Share in on this federal funding and and municipal funding for disconnected bike.

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Lanes and bike trails through you, madam speaker, the impetus of the ten-year.

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Cycling network plan was to expand routes outside of the corps and to.

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Connect gaps in the cycling network, certainly expanding outside of the corps.

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Is a key objective? Many of the projects funded through the public transit.

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Infrastructure fund start to do that, but they did need to be at a certain stage.

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Of development to be able to be implemented in the early years of that.

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Plan, I'm sorry, your time is up councillor carroll. Thank you, madam.

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Speaker, I just had a couple of questions that are based on questions they're follow-ups on questions that were asked.

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This morning, I'm looking at the evaluation table this morning, you were.

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Asked some questions about what this data mean means and, and I heard you.

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Definitely answer a question in such a way that that you would not be presuming.

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To read the minds of all drivers, but that that, as best you could answer the.

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Data and the statement was returned to you before sitting down by one of my.

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Colleagues, so the data has not been reviewed comprehensively. I wonder if you.

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Wanted to respond to that comment. Thank you for the question through you, madam.

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Speaker, we certainly did look at vehicle volumes before, during and during the.

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Pilot at two periods, as well as vehicle travel time, so this was quite a.

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Comprehensive study in terms of understanding travel times as well as.

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The volumes that are traveling through the corridor on bloor street, as well as.

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The parallel quarters of harborton and dupont, so this does represent quite a.

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Comprehensive look and, in fact, the recommendations going forward, allow you.

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To continue to gather data and and and study comprehensively through united.

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Speaker, that's correct, okay, the only other thing that I think.

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We need to build upon a question asked earlier this morning because I'm worried.

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About what I see coming in the way of motions, I just want to be clear that.

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Bikes are two bike lanes, as cars are two roads we wouldn't in in terms of our.

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Network of roads we wouldn't build a highway and attract cars to it and then.

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Shut down local roads and say we got a highway now we don't need any of the.

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Roads that lead to it, we wouldn't do that. Would we.

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That's correct councilor! So if cars are the roads as bikes are.

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Bike lanes, we wouldn't build a bike lane on the heavy network that that now.

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Attracts 5,000 bikes but shut down other bike lanes so that the bike can't now.

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Get to the to the road with the major bike lane on it, that wouldn't be our.

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Recommendation councilor. Thank you. Thank you, madam speaker.

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Thank you, councillor, davis. Thank you. I just want to ask some questions about.

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The danforth bike lane so appendix eight of the original, pia wick report, where we.

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Approved the ten-year cycling plan was the scenario three appendix eight. The.

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One that we essentially adopted with amendments that's correct, councilor with.

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Amendments about the major quarter, studies, okay, so the original.

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Recommendation in appendix eight was to proceed with the danforth corridor study.

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From broad view to danforth in 2017 2018, I presume 2019 and I maybe you can just.

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Tell me what that, how long the study was intended to take, and then implementation.

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Through you, madam speaker, council, I don't have that report in front of me. I know that the major quarter studies were generally anticipated to take three years, inclusive of study and implementation. So.

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It should have taken place, 2017, 18 and 19. If this scenario had been adopted.

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Fully through you, madam speaker, council did make some significant changes to the.

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Major corridor studies recommended in the 10 years likely network plan.

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I don't see actually that they did other than taking out danforth. So the major.

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Corridor studies that were approved where bluer dupont, yonge street and.

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Yonge street, between finch and sheppard and yonge street between blue and front.

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Those were approved through you amount of seeker. Yes, that's correct. Those were.

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In some way, shape or form underway and council decided to maintain the momentum.

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On those projects and any major quarter, studies that hadn't yet been initiated.

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In any form were deferred for heard further consideration: okay, alright! So.

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There were two quarters studies that were rejected lakeshore from humber to.

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Mississauga and danforth from broadview to danforth councillor. There were also.

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Other major quarter studies, including on midland and kingston road.

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There were several major quarter: studies planned in the 10-year cycle network plan that need to be further reviewed, midland at midland were in 2023 in 2024.

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Sorry, I'm saying the ones that were approved for 2017, the only one that was.

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Cut, I thought was danforth, but I see lakeshore as well, so there were two for.

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2017 that were cut. Yes, that's correct, councillor! Okay! Now your intention is.

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According to this report, to report out sometime in 2018, which I learned is not.

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Actually, 2018 at all, it is in the next term of council. Is that correct through.

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You, madam speaker, the ten years next cycle, a network plan included I'd, have.

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Recommendation from council to report back at a two-year review that review.

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Would be undertaken in 2016, which is two years after that the 2016 s likely.

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Network plan was was created and we would report back in early 2019 in when.

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That review was done was completed in the next term of council in the next.

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Term of council, so we also, though, approved a recommendation that we would.

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Consider bike lanes in the context of an avenue study- and I did want to ask this.

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Deputy city manager, sure about the avenue study and the he's.

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Not here speaker, could I I'm gonna hold your time.

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Mcalister davis, mr. city manager, is impossible to have the deputy city.

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Manager, okay, do you have questions of other staff.

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Members who are waiting, I want to ask the deputy city manager a question.

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Sorry, I should have, if you want, you have a well. It took us a couple of minutes to.

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To get to that point, if you want to sand it down, I can give you a minute and a.

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Half and we'll go on get the next speaker. Thank you. Okay, counselor ma'am,.

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Aleady that makes you up next. Thank you. Can this the decision that council is.

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About to make today, if it goes to a, can it be reversed at any point in time.

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Like we did on jarvis you through you, madam speaker, like any project the.

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Council can provide us direction to change direction, but the the pilot.

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Itself would be approved so how much money would we be spending if this was.

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Approved between now and the election in october 3, madam speaker, if we were to.

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Remove the existing pilot that would cost, as we indicated in the report, four.

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Hundred and twenty five thousand other than that there there won't be any.

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Additional costs- oh okay, so it would be the money that we spent up to date. Okay,.

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So the study that that's referred to in.

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In the report, when was it actually done? I'm sorry through you through you, madam.

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Speaker the the study that was referred to in the report, which which study, are you I don't know there seems to be this study.

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That that you speak of that, it has determined the logic behind making them.

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Permanent, so there there's the the pilot, which was the one-year pilot which was a.

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Series of component pieces after we installed when was that where's that.

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Conducted that the pilot commenced in october of 2016- and we did initial.

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Before counts in june of 2016, you did the counts in june of 2016 of.

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2016 did you do any counts in the winter through you, madam speaker, we did not do.

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Specifically counts in the winter on bloor street, although we've done the.

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Manzo's, the winter months primarily are the colder months. I would assume- and it.

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Would be what november 2 to may through you, madam speaker, council, directed when.

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The accounts would take place before and after as part of our supplemental report,.

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That came forward about the method, the methodology of the evaluation plan. We.

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Did didn't do any winter counts within this pilot project, as that was not.

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Identified in our performance, not doesn't that worry staff at all, knowing.

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That we don't know how many bikes are actually using bloor street in the.

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Winter months so counselor we don't took the typical best practice for traffic.

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Analysis is not to do counts for vehicles or cyclists with in the winter.

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Time, that's not the best practice for understanding typical traffic behavior.

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That being said, there are key locations that we do have year-round counts on. We.

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Don't network, one of which is at bluer in castle field, we don't really.

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Determine whether or not snow removal is is of importance on bloor through you.

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Madam speaker, the the issues of maintenance of the roadway were.

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Certainly considered in the design and winter snow removal was, maintenance was.

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Done during the pilot project, but we haven't done any studies in the winter.

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We don't know how many bikes use them in winter, and these the bikes that are.

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Using I've asked for information, I still haven't gotten that that that video, that.

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You have of of all the cyclists I wanted their faces blocked out and because of.

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Freedom of because of the information part of this equation, I still haven't gotten anything who's to say that it's not the same cyclists just.

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Going in a circle and- and you counting them and and I mean we, how do we know.

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That, if we don't get that information, they could all be just circling around.

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At the study time around and around and around just as their wheels do, counselor.

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Do you really want stan? I do I want to know whether or not they've taken that.

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Into account, because they have said, there's a certain amount of cyclists in.

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The city there's an increase, but they can't answer the question whether or not.

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They're the same cyclists, it could be ten of them wearing different hats. Madam.

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Speaker, the video that was requested that we.

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Were instructed through the privacy review that we were not able to share is.

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Video that is collected simply for the purposes of counting, and so it's not.

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Actually something that people observe and look at and look at the individual.

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Cyclists going down that corridor, they use own algorithm to count cyclists. We.

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Don't know we don't know for sure it's not actually response time. It's quite.

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Time, you have one more question, thank you. So we don't know that we we.

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Don't know where the cyclists are coming from from the city, whether they're.

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Coming from the suburbs or the density of the city, the study didn't take into.

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Account questions later they came two extra seconds for a question: yeah you're.

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Just itching to do this, but I just want to ok, council lady.

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Thank you, sir ma'am leader, your time's up your time's up. Thank you. Councillor.

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Ma'am a lady councillor, mcmahon, okay, on to some serious questions and.

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Relevant questions appropriate questions, logical questions coming up with my.

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Questions so I just want to talk about the different types of studies so for.

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Example, a corridor study do different jurisdictions, use corridor studies.

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Through madam speaker, a major quarter study is a study that was created out of.

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The ten year cycling network plan process to address the fact that the.

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Provinces rules around the environmental assessment of cycling facilities has.

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Changed but through you, madam speaker, a corridor study is looking at the.

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Geography of a corridor from top to tail and it can study any number of things to.

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Consult land-use actions: it can study full transportation and complete streets.

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Improvements, it can study any network or corridor based is so in a broad term. Yes,.

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Other jurisdictions do corridor studies, specifically a corridor study that comes.

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Out of the ten year cycling plan has a specific, I guess do do other.

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Jurisdictions use corridor studies for their bike infrastructure through you.

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Madam speaker, certainly all of the elements of a major corridor study are.

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The types of elements that other jurisdictions do it includes.

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Understanding baseline conditions, understanding opportunities and design.

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Constraints looking at design options, doing public consultation, doing.

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Evaluation and monitoring of project- all of those things are the are the bones of.

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Studies that transportation jurisdictions do in other places and so.

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I mean we have planning studies for for planning. We have the coroner studies for.

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The road infrastructure and cycling infrastructure- and we no longer have to.

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Do an environmental assessment, an environmental assessment is now corridor.

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Study takes over that, depending on the nature of the work through the speaker.

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There may be a requirement still to do an environmental assessment.

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Environmental testaments are triggered by the profit under certain circumstances, depending on the extent of construction and the.

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Capacity in impacts, but in this case that the study that we've undertaken.

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Meets the objectives of the provincial ea, and so in in a pilot you are studying.

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You're doing a bit of that corridor study when you do a pilot as well.

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Through the speaker, yes, that's correct: we we needed to do a lot of the base.

G

Work that you need to do in a major quarter, studying around and understanding existing conditions and opportunities and constraints and design.

G

Options: public consultation in the pilot project example. What you're doing is.

G

Testing a configuration on the street modifying it as you go to address.

G

Concerns and evaluating how it's performing so, if you did a pilot, you.

C

Don't have to do, you can do corridor, study itself and no pilot, or you can do.

C

Pilot that has the corridor study embedded in it through the speaker.

G

That's correct, okay, thank you. Thank you. Councillor mcmahon councillor.

F

Robinson councillor robinson, thank you, madam speaker. My first question. I've got.

H

A number of them is for the city manager, so I'm asking you about process and just.

H

Citywide process for these types of studies, my understanding is from a lot.

H

Of the deputy nfp wyck that there was two organizations involved in conducting.

H

The study that were on record as being proponents of bike lanes is that really.

H

Inappropriate does that really, you know, confirm the validity of this of this.

H

Study when that is the case, without speaking to the specifics which I'm not.

K

In a position to confirm at the moment, obviously we want all of the evaluations.

K

To be as neutral as possible, okay, so I'm hoping going forward! We can achieve that.

H

Because there's been a lot of feedback, and so I want you know anyway I'll go on.

H

To my next thing is maneras to the general manager of transportation. My.

H

Understanding is maneras really deals with big box. Big retailers, not small ma.

H

And pawn shops I'm curious about why you would use maneras when it's a very.

H

Expensive endeavor and it really, we have no idea how many.

H

Shops on lord yu's maneras, my impression is very few through you, madam speaker,.

P

Maneras has the largest share of point-of-sale information in canada and.

P

That's why we utilize them. Our understanding is a third of the.

P

Businesses along the bloor street corridor, all use maneras for their point-of-sale information, and so it was a good data point that we could get.

P

Access to relatively easily- and so that's the one that we selected- that's.

H

Not my impression that there's, a third of the retailers that use maneras is.

H

That can you validate that somehow. Is there a way to validate that, because.

H

That is not my understanding that is through you. That's the number that.

P

Maneras has given us to to use for the purposes that stretch of lord that were.

H

Studying, okay and my understanding is the city's sales went up 5% the sales on.

H

Bloor went up 4.5%, it's not correct through you know, that's correct, so below.

H

The city average through you, yes slightly below the city average or.

H

What's caused that has been very misleading that information that's been.

H

Out there and we've had a lot of feedback from residents councillor.

F

Robinson, I I have to be fair and equitable. I've already asked another.

F

Councillor to not give responses you're right, thank you for pointing that out. My.

H

Apologies translation. I've heard from a number of businesses around the number.

H

Of 70 that are saying that the all the questionnaires were not translated. Some.

H

Were just english, some were english and korean, but none were chinese, arabic or.

H

Persian is that true, I know it was tcap that did this work and, u of t but can.

H

You speak to that because I've had that feedback several times through you, madam.

G

Speaker, the the varying languages you just mentioned were not included for.

G

Translation, we don't typically do a great deal of translation for.

G

Transportation projects in the case of the the bluer economic impact study part.

G

That was conducted by au of t and the toronto centre for active transportation.

G

There was translation for all merchant surveys and pedestrian intercept surveys.

G

Within koreatown, okay and then other feedback, we heard at p wic during the.

H

Deputations, where some biz weren't pulled at all and when they made.

H

That case, it was verified that they weren't pulled, and some businesses were.

H

Pulled but not by their actual employees, it was people described as otherwise, so.

H

Do you have any feedback for the business community in the blur area on.

H

That issue that the polling wasn't, you know really every single, independent.

H

Which is what we were trying to achieve is we wanted to make sure every retail.

H

Outlet was consulted with, can you can you give us some highlights on that.

G

Through you, madam speaker, staff certainly made best efforts to reach all businesses. My staff personally went door-to-door to drop off notices and ask.

G

Questions of missis's several times, I know also that the methodology of the.

G

Economic impact study that was conducted by the toronto centre active proactive transportation in the? U of t involved, going door-to-door up to four times.

G

Asking to speak to either the manager or the business owner and not accepting.

G

Responses from just people at the cash desk and that kind of thing, so they went.

G

Back four times and if they couldn't get a response, also left contact information.

G

For the businesses to get put in touch with them to arraign a phone interview.

H

Okay. Okay, thank you. That's helpful. That went yesterday spoke to some businesses.

H

That actually reached out to me. They said in the last week and a half two.

H

Weeks, ridership has dropped by half they're on the street. Observing this I.

H

Guess it's you know we're heading into the cold weather winter season. Do you.

H

Have any comment on that through you, madam speaker, we do see as temperatures.

G

Get colder and weather is is less enjoyable. Do we do find winter usage of.

G

Cycling facilities does draw that the blur ease to castle frank location. We.

G

Find that the volumes are about 22% of summer volumes in the wintertime through.

G

The winter months of of november, to april and on sherbourne it's a little.

G

Slightly higher, ranging from about 28% of summer volumes there too, so we do see.

G

Less people riding through the winter months, but there still is a volume of.

G

Cyclists riding during that time, okay and then just a tweet that there's a.

H

Couple tweets went out, I understand they weren't supposed to in advance of councils decision. One again talked about the four point: four five percent.

H

Growth in customer spending in the pilot area, but just to clarify my.

H

Understanding is that is an indeed true, that's factual, but the city's overall.

H

Growth went up 5%. I just want the truth. I want people to know the truth. The.

G

Overall growth spending went up by four point: nine six city ride about four.

G

Point four or five percent in the pilot area and slightly less in two control.

G

Areas of the danforth and around the pilot- you just name those areas so that.

H

Everybody's clear yeah, the area surrounding the the bore.

G

Pilot noted by postal code went down but were went up by three point: seven, three.

G

Percent so slightly less than the blur pilot area itself and the control area.

G

Of the danforth avenue between bravo and chester, that area went up by two point.

G

Two one percent, so it's quite a bit lower growth about half the growth of.

G

The four point: four or five percent in the pilot area itself: okay and my last.

H

Question is pedestrian and cycling near misses so near miss collisions my.

H

Understanding, as per the report, went up with pedestrians having near misses with.

H

Cyclists on they're on the cycle lane any comments on that.

H

Humana speaker overall number of near misses or conflicts, went down for all.

G

Road users by forty four percent, the amount between drivers and cyclists went.

G

Down by a much higher number of sixty one percent, the amount went of.

G

Pedestrians and vehicles went down by fifty five percent. The proportion of.

G

Ones between pedestrians and cyclists, near misses did go up by sixty one.

G

Percent, so so, just to be clear, counsel robinson, this really will have to be.

F

Your last because earlier I had an error in setting your clock, so you you're.

F

Actually, over the five now so I just want to clarify it so pedestrian, cyclist.

H

Collisions went up as a proportion of all near misses. It's not collisions that.

G

We're looking at here it's near miss there conflicts its analysis about.

G

Potential collisions and the overall number went down the proportion of those.

G

That we're putting pedestrians and drivers and cyclists excuse me the.

G

Proportion of those went up slightly: okay,.

F

Thank you, counselors we're going to go back if this microphone will work to.

F

Councillor davis, deputy city manager, libby can now come to the floor and you.

F

Have about a minute and a half, I just wanted to ask when we approved the.

D

Ten-Year cycling network plan there was a motion to bring forward.

D

Recommendations for the initiation of a major corridor study on danforth at the.

D

Same time as council considers the findings of the bloor street west bike.

D

Lane project in the third quarter of 2017, there are no recommendations to.

D

Initiate study, but the suggestion also was to consider cycling infrastructure.

D

As part of the currently underway danforth avenue planning study, so is it.

D

Your view that it is possible that recommendations could arise out of that.

D

Avenue study related to bike lanes on danforth, so, madam speaker in the area.

O

From cox well up to victoria park, which is the first phase of the avenue study.

O

We're looking at built form and we're also looking at public realm and road.

O

Cross-Sections in a complete street sense, so you would expect that, given the.

O

Nature of having to integrate the type of movement on the street in a type of.

O

Built form that we have recommendations around pedestrians and cycling and.

O

Vehicular movements in a general planning sense that it could be later.

O

Refined in a corridor study to get specific cycling facility infrastructure.

O

Implemented so recommendation could come from that study just prior to the next.

D

Term of office that the the planning study phase want us do to come back in.

O

The spring of 2018, thank you, okay, thank you.

F

Councillor fraga dacus thanks very much, madam deputy, so just to follow up with.

J

Staff page nine of the report notes that the number of bike pedestrian conflicts.

P

Was found to have increased by 61%, which is a very concerning number, so I'm.

H

Actually, really pleased to see that recommendation six calls for.

H

Transportation, to identify my modifications to improve the accessibility and safety of pedestrians, so I was wondering what that might.

H

Entail do we have, for example, things that are used in other parts of the city.

H

Or in other jurisdictions that might work and be adapted for use on this.

H

Stretch of bloor street through you, madam speaker, this is a challenging nut.

G

To crack to address the the conflicts between pedestrians and cyclists, because.

G

In this case, the analysis showed that these near misses happen because people.

G

Are jaywalking across the cycling facility, so it's a matter of a culture.

G

Shift in terms of understanding where the cycling facility is and having cyclists make sure they're behaving in a way, that's appropriate in terms of the.

G

Speed that they're traveling along the corridor as well. So it's a mix of.

G

Pavement markings to make it very clear where, where people who are walking and.

G

Crossing the street that they're aware that they're crossing the cycling facility mid block and having appropriate buffer space for them to.

G

Stand before they make their next crossing across a motor vehicle lane and.

G

Then also some some campaigns and behavioural change, so you have other.

R

Than attempting to change people's behavior, do you have anything else to.

H

Propose that works, something that some other jurisdictions green paint can be.

G

One thing that we do so pavement markings in the cycling facility itself.

G

And paying attention to the width of the buffer space so that people can stage.

G

Their crossings as they cross, okay. So on page 10, the report notes that, as a.

H

Result of this data and follow-up field observations signal, timing, adjustments.

H

Were implemented to optimize traffic operations along the corridor, this.

H

Helped to reduce by half the increases in the peak period direction, travel.

K

Times so, can you tell us more about those signal, timing, adjustments and what.

H

Were they specifically and where they made it all signal lights in the pilot.

M

Project area hear you, madam speaker, we may we looked at the the book for volume.

G

And travel times and the after before volume after travel times and volumes.

G

And and the signal timing and made changes, I believe, to nine signals when.

G

For the most part, providing more east-west green time for vehicles.

G

Traveling, but at one location actually doing the opposite and providing more.

G

North-South green times when vehicles are are clearing through the intersection they can do so efficiently. So we made some modifications to that.

G

Can you know a few seconds here and there to make that move better and that.

G

Achieved some reductions and I'm getting confirmation that, yes, it was nine.

G

Locations where we made signal timing changes okay on page 16, it notes that.

H

People with mobility disabilities raised concerns about challenges for accessible.

H

Loading at some locations, so I didn't see a lot in the report about seniors.

H

Nor about people with mobility issues, so I was wondering: are there any outstanding issues that we might address to help improve the situation with.

C

Respect to their use of that section of bloor street, this is certainly something.

G

To use madam speaker, that we would like to address through a potential design of.

G

A permanent facility, one issue that we anticipated before the introduction of.

G

The pilot was by putting in some accessible wheel, trans parking and in.

G

Loading area, another one that came up during the pilot area near huron. We.

G

Addressed during the pilot, so we put in a new curb cut and and the appropriate.

G

Loading space for that to happen, those are the only ones that we've heard and.

G

Needed to address so far, but we will work further with the community to find.

G

Out if more improvements can be made, thank you. Thank you. Councillor havoc.

A

Questions yes, thank you very much. I'm going to focus on the economic impact.

N

Just so that, because there's some misunderstandings out there, when the.

N

City partnered with a tcat and the university of toronto was this: some was.

N

This reviewed by just yourselves or did other city departments also review the.

N

Methodology through you, madam speaker, council, directed staff to partner with.

G

The local bia s on a study that they already had underway for the economic.

G

Impact of the bike lanes on bloor street with the toronto centre for active.

G

Transportation at the time we were directed the direction specifically said.

G

Transportation, services and economic development and culture should work with.

G

That bi eggs, and so that is what happened. Both staff from both divisions.

G

Sat down and worked through the methodology and that partnership so.

N

Would it be fair to say that the city or the city staff remained confident in the.

N

In the study and its methodology, 3 speaker- that's correct, councilor, okay, so.

N

On top of that was layered the monaro dadda. So why did the city under our city.

N

Staff undertake to get that data through you, madam speaker, the the additional.

G

Data from an heiress provides additional insight into the the transaction.

G

Spending that takes place in that area, actually one of the recommendations in.

G

The study done by te cad and u of t, was to look into that additional data point.

G

Which provides just another point of data to consider and there was a.

N

Consistency between our data, the meniere's data for you, madam speaker, it.

G

Certainly provided the same trends that customer spending had increased right.

N

Now did the retail transactions in this case increase at a higher rate than say.

N

Accompanying streets nearby streets- probably that's more important than.

N

Citywide trends like a harvard or a college through councillor, we didn't.

G

Drill down off street by street basis, but yes, the the customer spending.

G

Increased higher on the blur pilot area than it did on the danforth control area.

G

Or in the area surrounding the pilot, great, ok, thank you very much. That's a.

N

Very very helpful. Thank you. If I can have the members of councils that are up.

A

Councillor matt low councillor, mallow deputy merriman and wong. Yes, thank you. I.

B

Have a few questions I want to focus in on the the financial de manera stator.

B

For a second, what are we supposed to take from this idea? You said that.

B

Customer spending is increased. Are you? Are you attributing that to something.

G

Through you, madam speaker, I wouldn't attribute it to this project. There are a.

G

Lot of factors that impact the economics of the city, it would what it shows us is.

G

That the trend is, is growth, just as it is citywide right. So are you saying that.

B

The bike lanes haven't affected the the businesses on bloor street. I mean that's.

B

The reason why we're doing this to it to have some sort of analysis is it not.

G

Through you, madam speaker, I couldn't say that the bike lanes haven't affected business because we've heard from certain businesses who have feel felt.

G

The effect and I've indicated that to us we've also heard from other businesses.

G

That have felt a positive effect, so we went to seek maneras as a data point to.

G

Add to that conversation I see so you're not saying anything. Oh you're, just.

B

Putting that information out there as a random piece of information through you.

P

Madam speaker, I think it's analogous to what we do in terms of getting survey.

P

Opinions on transportation, so we ask people how they travel and then we also.

P

Measure how people travel and take actual hard data, and so that was the.

P

Issue is that through the university of toronto tcat study, where there was a lot.

P

Of survey work that was done, which I think was quite appropriate, but we also.

P

Wanted to find some hard data that we could on economics to add to the.

P

Conversation you're also aware that that spending and maneras has gone up.

B

Province-Wide, yes, probably true, yes, probably true! Well, I if you say so, I.

P

Don't know that specifically, are you aware that there's been a study done by.

B

Narus and their transaction increase has been 36% in the last 12 months.

P

Doesn't surprise me, but I was not aware, would you be surprised that that's.

B

Because more people are using android pay in that and there's a full rollout of the rollout of the apple application through you. I would not be surprised at.

P

That, and also what we found in terms of the actual size of each transaction.

P

Going down is on trend with what we're seeing of people tapping for smaller.

B

Motion, whether we're deciding whether the business has gone up or down the.

B

Thirty percent thirty six percent increase is a massive increase, not.

B

Because of bike lanes, but but because of people just actually having more.

B

Technology in their hand, through you, madam speaker, I believe- and I again.

P

Wasn't here at the beginning piece of this, but I believe that the reason to get the economic analysis, both through the survey work and through the maneras.

P

Data was simply to show that the the change in transportation did not have a.

P

Significant impact one way or the other on the businesses. My next question and.

B

This is my final question as it relates to meniere's. I hope so. You said one.

B

Third of the vent of the businesses on on the arian question use manera, so.

B

That's what I heard you just say: it's that correct. Just confirming that.

P

Through you, madam speaker, that that is our understanding, yes from so that would.

B

Mean that two thirds don't use mine errors through you that that's that's.

B

True, so that that would add to counselor a campbell's analysis when he's gone and.

B

Spoken to most these businesses, when they say there, there's there's even.

B

There they're losing twenty percent of businesses, twenty percent of their their.

B

Their their revenue and those are these stores that actually don't use that.

B

Technology through you, there's also cash sales and checks and other things that.

P

This data does not entail it, doesn't it doesn't include yeah. The other thing I.

B

Want you so you mentioned that in the wintertime it there could be up to.

B

Seventy five percent there's a 75% reduction in cyclists in the wintertime.

B

On the glide points through you, madam speaker,.

G

Yes, that's correct counselor, so we're gonna be putting in these bike lanes.

B

Permanently and in the winter months like even right now, you can probably have maybe not seventy five percent, but you can have a 60% reduction you're.

B

Gonna have actually more people driving because it's colder and and the.

B

Weather's inclement, so you can have more people on the roads and less and hardly.

B

Anybody on the bike, so someone's gonna, be sitting in their car in traffic waiting in an additional four extra minutes getting home, while in.

B

This, but while in this empty bike, lane there's going to be hardly anyone there.

A

And your question is: is that not right, that's not correct councilor. Why not.

B

Tell me we would anticipate that there would be about 70 percent less we and we.

G

Would agree with that, based on the understanding we have of winter cycling,.

G

Volumes at other locations, but we we see some benefits in there being safety.

G

Improvements for cycling and keeping facilities on in the winter and the.

G

Other key point is that even with a 70% reduction, blurr would still be within.

G

The top 10 of bicycle facilities in the city- oh speak to this councillor,.

A

Fletcher, thank you. I just wanted to follow up on a question from councillor.

J

Davis about the corridor study for the danforth.

J

Came out then it went back in and it was to be reported now, but there isn't that.

J

Report and you're saying that you don't have the funds or capacity to initiate.

J

That, even if we wanted to initiate that this year is that, do I have that right.

G

Through you, madam speaker, the the direction from council at the time that.

G

The tenure cycling network plan was approved for staff to make.

G

Recommendations about the timing of the initiation of a major quarter, study.

G

Within this report, in conjunction with the evaluation, the board by pilot bike.

G

Lanes and we've included discussion on that item within this report indicating.

G

That, given our work plan, particularly as it relates to the public transit.

G

Infrastructure fund, we do not recommend and we cannot integrate into our work.

G

Plan the initiation of a major corridor study for the danforth until we report.

G

Back in early 2019 on the two-year review of the 10-year second, that would.

G

Plan story, the two-year would the two-year review of the ten year slightly.

G

Network plan, which can't hear you two lot with speaker speaker, it's too loud. I.

J

Can't hear miss clawdy hayward and I just lost a few seconds, so I can't hear.

J

Because it go ahead repeat that last part, please.

G

We've included within this report a staff recommendation to state that we.

G

Would return in q1 of 2019 on the appropriate timing to initiate a major.

G

Quarter, study on the danforth avenue so you'll tell us at 2019 when you could.

J

Start and what type of resources you would need.

G

That's correct counter, and so one of the motions that was made about the danforth.

J

Corridor study was to look at danforth as a complete street. You are aware of.

J

That motion yes, counselor, do you refer to that anywhere in the report today, not.

G

Specifically councilor, but my staff are actively involved in the avenue study.

G

And and the notion of it being taking from a complete streets perspective and.

G

Looking at early stage planning options for bike lanes on danforth should that.

G

Planning study recommended: are you speaking about the phase one planning.

J

Study, I am counselor, I think. Are you aware.

J

That that's a phase one, that's only for a section of the danforth. I am council. I.

J

Understand, city flow: are you recommending that we don't have a phase.

J

Two, how many kilometers is the phase one planning study? I know it is from coxwell.

G

To victoria park, I'm not aware of the number of kilometers that is, I.

G

Understand that city planning is considering or is planned to be starting.

G

A phase two between coxwell westerly to broadview, subsequent to phase one and.

J

Phase one is a planning study. It's not a corridor study. Is that correct.

J

And the that's eight kilometer stretch or you're, not aware it's eight.

J

Kilometers from coxwell to victoria park, I'll trust, I'll trust that from and that.

J

The other section is four point: eight kilometers from broadview to coxwell, so.

J

We definitely have two large sections, one of them. Would you agree that, and I.

J

Have no idea you, where how the planning study is put together and who the who.

J

The stakeholders are, I am counselor my staff around the study.

J

Team they're on the study team, but it's not a corridor study. It's basically a.

J

Height and density planning study for the danforth with.

G

Consideration for comply. Are you suggesting that it be used for the.

J

Corridor study no counselor take the place of that. No counselor. That study.

G

Addresses, as the deputy city manager indicated, a planning level vision for.

G

Complete streets for that section of the danforth corridor, we would recommend in.

G

Albany nineteen about the initiation of a major quarter study. We would look be.

J

Able to look at complete streets for the four point: eight kilometers through.

J

Planning and then you could initiate your corridor study after that. There are.

J

Two separate things I just want to be clear because you're not leading the.

J

Planning study: are you no we're? Not there absolutely separate things.

G

Counselor but they're certainly related one builds on the other. I'm sure that.

J

The and in your I will could ask planning I'll ask the planning for the.

J

Phase one in amassing the stakeholder group: how did that get put together? Do.

J

You have multi languages on the stakeholder group through humanness pker.

O

I believe so we we've consulted with the area councillors to assemble a.

O

Stakeholder group- that's representative of the community, and how many languages.

J

Are there on that state? Specifically, I can't answer your question. I don't have.

C

That information in front of you like to hold my time while they find that out.

J

Please, okay! No! I week they can come back and answer that later. Thank you because.

A

I don't think they have that information councillor holiday. Thank you speaker.

I

To the general manager, the martin goodman trail is the the bicycle trail.

I

Along the lakeshore, is there a speed limit on it right now,.

I

Cycling, speed limit through you, madam speaker, yes, 20, kilometers, 20, kilometers,.

I

An hour we were today a number of questions that were brought up about the.

I

Speed of cyclists that go along that stretch would it be feasible to.

I

Implement a speed limit similar to the martin goodman trail, given some of the.

I

Statements that we've heard today about bicycles that have gone really fast.

I

Through you, madam speaker, because it's within the right of the road.

P

Right-Of-Way, it's subject to the speed limit that governs the the right-of-way.

P

Overall, could we make our own rules since they are.

I

Separated lanes there, you typically we like to deal with the speed issue.

P

Through design- and you know not so much through the addition of multiple speed.

P

Limits in it, how would we deal with cyclists that are moving relatively too.

I

Fast and creating us a an unsafe condition. Well through you, madam speaker,.

P

In some locations we have examples. I I'm familiar with ronsis vale, where we've.

P

Done some modifications to the cycle track so that it meets the transit.

P

Shelter and therefore has somewhat of a a great shift that helps to manage.

P

Speeds- and I believe the same is true on wellesley, ok, different line of.

I

Questioning through through au speaker gain to the general manager, you.

I

Recommend in this report that we maintain the bloor street bicycle lanes.

I

Cycle cycle lanes for you, madam speaker, yes, would you call this pilot a success.

P

Through you, madam speaker, yes, so there are four meter major areas or four.

I

Criteria in the report that talk about evaluation, so the first is the effect on.

I

The cycling environment, the first component of that is that there's a.

I

Stated preference on survey safety most people felt that they that they were.

I

Safer, that's correct all right so that that's a pass it the.

I

Next criterion is cyclist, volume counts. So, according to the math, my mouth and.

I

The report, if you net out the number of people attracted to the corridor, the.

I

Number of trips- it's three hundred and seventy one, and I think we heard that.

I

Was three percent, would you call that additional volume, a success through you.

P

As new cyclists added to the quarter, who have never been on it before, yes, that's.

P

An increase, so we would call that a success, so would one new cyclist be a.

I

Success criteria no, and through you we've we've indicated that there's a.

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Trend as opposed to hitting a hard number, we know that there's been a.

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Significant increase in terms of percentage overall people shifting their.

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Trip to a facility that they feel more comfortable, cycling in and and I would.

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Suggest that's a success. Three percent was acceptable as a new cycling.

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Community that level of increases success, so the motor volume vehicle.

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Counts were reduced by 3888 on bloor and by 1837 in the corridor. Would you deem.

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That a success through you, I don't know that I would.

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Say it's either a success or not a success. Quite frankly, the motor vehicle.

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Trips will shift in the quarter. For me, the successes around the safety and.

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Whether the drivers report feeling safer traveling in that corridor with a more.

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Predictable cycle facility would only have if that was an evaluation criteria.

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Then why did we look at it through you, then? Madam speaker, we always look at the.

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Impacts on all on the traveling public, in this case the interest was fairly.

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Significant and we worked with council to establish those criteria, the other.

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Piece that we looked at certainly was travel time and, while travel time did.

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Increase we were able to manage travel time through modifications that we made.

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To the infrastructure which give- which I would say, is a success in terms of being.

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Able to manage that actively and some changes that we would make if the.

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Project were to go forward that we would be able to get to it. Even my calculation.

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On the on the delay, the vehicle delays was 40% reduced to 20% and from 80%.

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Reduced to 40% empirically as a percentage, so 20 and 40% delay time over.

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A 10 to 11 minute trip does that an acceptable performance criteria that you.

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Would say that that's a pass check that there was a success. You're you to two.

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Minutes additional informants additional does not seem like an undue burden on.

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Drivers, given the other questions, that's 20 and 40 percent is 20 and 40 percent.

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Okay, in the context of all of these data points, I would say that that is a.

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Reasonably successful outcome: okay, one other criteria- was the effect on.

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Curbside demands in parking, so parking was at a hundred percent utilization on.

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The street and 85 percent utilization on the surface lots. It is now at a hundred.

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Percent everywhere, maxed out, is that a success that we've maxed out the parking.

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In the area through you, madam speaker, I don't know whether it's a success or not.

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A success I'm eager to ensure that people who want to be able to park and.

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Access businesses and other activities in the area have a location to park. We.

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Continue to work with tpa to see that we can find additional locations and manage.

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That part, that's the last question, given some of the concerns and some of the.

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Things brought up in the public works in infrastructure meeting by some of the business owners about taking a very narrow approach, and I respect that. You.

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Measured what you could, which was the mayor data, would you say, would you say that, given the concerns about not polling.

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Cash receipts of the different businesses along blur street that we.

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Have indeed checked off that it's been a success from the perspectives of the.

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Business and in protecting people going to those businesses through you, minos,.

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Figure, I I heard a number of respondents at the pubic who felt that the bike.

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Lanes were positive to their business and some who felt were concerned about.

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It in terms of the level of economic data that we gathered- I've not known.

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Another project of this type together as much hard and anecdotal data from.

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Businesses to demonstrate the impact of this particular issue. Thank you.

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Councillor kerr gianna's. Thank you, madam speaker, through you to staff how many.

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Businesses in the whole stretch will that effective through you, madam speaker,.

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There's approximately 600 businesses, including ground-floor, and an upper on.

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In a pilot area and you've talked to how many of those- so this is speaker through.

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The speaker, I don't have a tally of how many we've talked to I've. Had my staff go door to door with notices to drop them off and talk to as many as would.

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Would talk to us, I mean going to drop a notice off and actually asking a.

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Question or two that's a little different. So could you guess, would you.

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Did you speak to a hundred two hundred and actually gather data from them.

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Through you, madam speaker, the the process of gathering data from the.

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Door-To-Door visits of businesses was part of the toronto centre for active.

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Transportation study they spoke to 191 out of 285 businesses in the pre-test.

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And in two of the potest 175 out of 287 and 159 out of 276 in the in those areas.

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And those were all just the ground floor businesses so about two-thirds of businesses were actually spoken to collected information about them through.

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A methodology that is available for somebody to take a look at it is.

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Counselor, it's part of the economic impact study that sit on the web. Okay. My next question is: what is this going to cost us to.

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Maintain over the years the the bike links, what would the annual cost be? Do.

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You, madam speaker, there are no current changes plan to the actual pilot.

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Facility, well, we would be doing next year because there's going to be a.

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Capital project to reconstruct blur street in 2019, and that would be the.

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Time and we would come back with those costs to look at what it would cost to.

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Make the facility permanent part of that my question through the speaker to staff.

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Is the following? You need to get a special snow clearance like a bobcat on.

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There, which is not part of what we use right now, you will need to get special.

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Equipment in order to maintain the bike lanes, what were they? The final cost of this be here lee? Can you estimate well through.

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You, madam speaker, we we actually do that snow clearance with that equipment right.

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Now, on on all the cycle, facilities that we have in the city, so it's not an.

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Additional cost other than staff. What will it cost us on bruce? That's my.

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Question please, through the chair through you, madam speaker, when we.

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Reported to council, initially, we had just identified the financial impact of.

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Winter maintenance costs about 7,000 per kilometer and sweeping costs about.

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12,000 per kilometer, so for this facility it's about $95,000 annually,.

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Which is incorporated into the winter maintenance costs in our existing.

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Capital operating budget, when we have cars on the road, how much money do we.

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Generate per kilometer of the cars using the road I mean they pay their their.

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Stickers, some of that money comes to us through you, madam speaker. Those funds go.

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To the province they do not come to the city, you don't get anything. We do not.

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Okay, thank you very much. What does it cost us to? Can you point a miniature? Yes,.

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County councillor lane please, okay, thank you except to thank you, madam speaker. I.

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Hope I do you know this is educational questions if it may, if council leader,.

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Has them that's fine, but I'd like to get an answers to them.

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Madam speakers, for you to staff, what's the cost per vehicle in the.

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Length of time that it was added to make that trip costing gas through you, madam.

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Speaker, I don't you mean the cost of the delay of additional well there's been you've stated that there's a delay on the.

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Vehicle said being able to go across what do you? I don't have that cost per.

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Vehicle well, what's the what's the estimated cost for the the area? What is.

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Gonna be the the actual. I mean the estimated cost to the person that drives.

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In that area, through you, we did not estimate the cost.

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Of travel as part of our data, but there will be an additional cost. Would I be.

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Correct in that, through you, I don't know that there would be an additional cost.

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Of other than the daily cost of travel, which somebody who decided to drive.

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Would would have a car and they'd have insurance and they'd have gas people.

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That will be driving. That stretch will still be driving. The stretch through you.

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If that's, how they choose to travel mean, has there been a bit of a vehicle drop.

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In using the stretch, do you there's been some shift in the volumes on bloor.

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Street, yes, so these vehicles would have done we're.

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Through you, the decrease could be that people shifted their trip to transit.

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They could have shifted to another corridor, they should could have shifted, cycling or walking. Okay, so there is an additional cost. I see my time is up when.

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They thank you very much. Thank you. Councillor christie, all right.

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Thank you speaker, three, very brief questions and I'll direct them to the.

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General manager of transportation services, because the first question is.

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Is this the most comprehensively studied transportation project in the city of.

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Toronto in its history to your knowledge, through you, madam speaker, to my.

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Knowledge, yes, has the bike lane on vellore made the street safer through.

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You about a speaker all the indices that we have. We did survey data. We talked to.

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Drivers who said they felt safer traveling with a more predictable psycho.

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Facility we talked to pedestrians and who said they felt safer on the corridor.

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So, yes, I would say that overall, cycling conditions are safer and, as the general.

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Manager of our transportation services department, in your professional opinion,.

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Should we, as a council, make these bike lanes, permit sure you, madam speaker, our.

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Recommendation and I concur with our recommendation in the report, which is to.

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Make the lanes permanent? That's all. Thank you. Thank you.

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Councilor melody, I know that you have a motion that surgeon that you need to.

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Introduce and it's ready, yes, okay, so madam speaker staff have asked me to.

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Introduce this: this has some urgency to it. I think there's a need for us to be.

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Dealing with it even today, because there's a known be hearing as we speak,.

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And I understand that there's there's a confidential report that I think.

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Everybody should thank you, I'm favor kerry. Thank you. I will go to.

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Speakers now councillor krusty to speak. Thank you speaker. Let me begin by.

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Thanking our city of toronto staff for all of their hard work and time. This has.

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Been a monumental effort on the part of our transportation services department.

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And I want to extend my most sincere thank you to each and every member of.

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Their team, in addition, I want to thank the residents of our city, the residents.

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Association cycle, toronto and bells and bloor for all of their hard work. This I.

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Cannot overstate the significance and importance of the decision we're about.

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To make today, because for 40 years, people have been working to make bike.

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Lanes on bloor permanent for 40 years, I grew up just off bloor cycling on board.

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I live just off bloor today and I ride it still and our city staff have stated.

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Unequivocally that bike lanes onblur not only work, they worked well and should be.

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Made permanent- and I agree with them completely- bike lanes on bloor should be.

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Here to stay for too long, and I'm sure that our debate here today will will.

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Bring many of these discussions back but for too bike lanes in our city have been seen as divisive. They shouldn't be when you.

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Build a bike lane and you design it well, it is a win-win for everybody.

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And that's what this report has shown. This pilot project has been the most.

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Comprehensive lee studied transportation project in the history of the city of.

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Toronto, the history of this city on a transit project and the evidence is.

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Clear, more cyclists are using the lane in just one year the blur bike lane.

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Became the second most popular bike lane in the entire city of toronto, more than.

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5,000 people ride it daily in one year wait until next year. It is safer for.

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Everybody, eighty-five percent of cyclists now say.

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They feel safe, riding on board before it was installed. It was 3 percent of.

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Cyclists, 66 percent of drivers say faces, say they feel safer driving, onblur.

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Before the lane it was 18 percent near-miss collisions are down between.

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Cyclists and drivers by 44 percent there has been an impact, although a minimal.

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Impact on cars over the course of the study we've been able to reduce in half.

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The impact on travel times in half and is an extra two minutes worth it to make.

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A street safer, you betcha, it absolutely is now on business. There's.

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Been a lot of conversation about business, we in the city have never in.

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Our history undertaken an economic impact study on transportation services.

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But we did that here we had a study carried out by tcat in the university of.

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Toronto, a professional study that was peer, reviewed and our city of staff say.

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Was done right and it said they worked for business. We then solicited maneras.

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Data and maneras data, the largest provider of return transaction, said the.

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Business was up is business up across the city, it is, was business up higher.

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Here than compared to the adjacent streets of bloor and danforth, it was so.

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There are some here who will say they don't want bike lanes on bloor and they.

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Will find concerns in this report and latch on to them to say.

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That's the reason I would ask those who don't like bike lanes just to be honest,.

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And say you don't want bike lanes on bloor, because the report, if you listen.

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To the data is clear: now: is this bike lane perfect? It is not. It was a pilot.

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For goodness sakes, we threw down some paint and put up some ballers. That's all.

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We did, but by making it permanent and improving the design, we can actually.

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Make those permanent adjustments and changes so that we can improve the issue.

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Of pedestrian safety, which is an area for improvement, so that we can improve.

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Business loading and deliveries, which is an area for improvement, so that we can.

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Improve issues related to accessibility. We can do that by making it permanent.

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You can't fix it in a pilot now, ten years ago, if you'd asked the local.

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Community what they thought about bike lanes, you wouldn't have got a resounding response. Today, you have all five local residents. Associations have endorsed the.

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Pilot two of the three local bia s have endorsed the pilot, the university of.

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Toronto has endorsed the pilot hotdog cinema, the rom, the blur street cultural.

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Corridor they've all endorsed the pilot. Is it unanimous, oh of course not, but the.

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People of this area have spoken now, our city, it is growing and we have a.

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Fundamental responsibility to redesign our streets to move people and move.

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People safely, that's what we're doing here.

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It's a big decision. It's taken us 40 years. I want to thank and commend the.

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Mayor for his thoughtful data-driven support for it and councillor layton for.

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His work always now the time is to make these lanes permanent. Thank you very.

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Much thank you, sir robinson, to speak. Thank you, madam speaker. I just want to.

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Just refer to some of my emotions that I passed at public works and I'm not.

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Really gonna stray far from what I said at public works through my questions and.

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Speech there, but a number of motions and recommendations from staff were put.

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Forward- and one of the things we definitely want to do is tackle the.

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Traffic flow, so, as a councillor krusty said, they're far superficial robinson.

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You're high, oh hold that believe you have a motion.

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Right, I do, I do have a motion here, it is okay. Can you read it? I will it's also on.

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The screen, so my motion is to request a general manager consult with the annex.

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Business bike alliance, who feel like they've, been left out of the process on.

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Changes to the cycle track design in 2018 in advance of the 2019 capital.

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Works on bloor street west's, so I will explain that in a minute.

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So basically, at public works put forward a number of motions to look at traffic.

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Flow to look at green area, markings and conflict zones, something near and dear.

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To my heart and also councillor fraca dacus is the near misses with ped.

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Cyclists collisions those have gone up and we need to address that because we.

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All know, pedestrians are our most vulnerable road users, especially people.

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With mobility issues and seniors, so the I feel strongly that the process is as.

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Important as the outcome some referred to, this report is glowing, but I against.

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Feel it's far from perfect, where we're at now. I think it's very important that.

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The city manager review some of the aspects of this study. I think it's.

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Critical that we always ensured that we're independent and that we're neutral.

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When we bring in parties and stakeholders and associations to help us.

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Facilitate these things that that we can really feel that we can stand behind the.

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Data which has been challenged and the analysis has been challenged. You've.

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Heard multiple stories we heard many at public works and infrastructure.

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Committee and and I think it's important going forward- we ensure the independence.

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Of the organizations involved in these studies also on the maneras front,.

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They're well-known as a big retail outlet operator big, you know, that's.

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That's the transactions they tend to do and for big retail outlets. And if you.

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Look along lore, you see a lot of smaller shops ma and pawn shops. It's an eclectic.

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Street, I'm not sure this was the right choice, but staff felt it was the biggest.

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Provider so they used them, but I think we all understand the importance of business to the vibrancy of our main streets. We all.

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Have bia s? We all have independent shops, they don't always get along, but I've had.

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A lot of conflicting reports on this I've had, I can't even tell you how many.

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Emails and phone calls from businesses in the area and there's a group. That's.

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Become established about a group of 70 businesses, they say it's had a negative.

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Impact on their business, and so that's why I'm putting forward this motion to.

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Ensure going forward that they are included in the consultation in the.

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Process in the changes and the modifications that we make to the cycle.

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Track design going forward and in 2018 and, as I said as part of the capital.

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Works, I want to make sure all voices are heard through this process. I'm quite.

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Convinced we all do and they're saying to us: we've had financial impacts, so I.

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Think this council's needs to send a message back that we're listening and.

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We're going to continue to ensure that they're included in the process, as we.

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Move forward, I'm voting for this. I'm supporting this based on two things.

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Safety and the environment and I hope, you'll support the motion I put forward.

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Thank you casually and you have a question three.

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Minutes just just on a very quick point of clarification. You said the word 70.

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Businesses and I'm wondering where that number is coming from, because the the.

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Number that that that they profess to actually represent is quite a bit lower.

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Than that I know that they've circulated a document that has 70 businesses on it.

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But but just to be clear or are you aware, that's not a list of members.

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That's a petition well before the the study had concluded about an economic.

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Study, so it's not a membership list, so just to clarify is: are you aware of that.

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So what I have before me- and I've had several meetings with this group as.

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Staff have also met with them the day before public works, and I had a petition.

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Sent to my office and as you can see this all of us have this.

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Forrest as correspondence they're, saying they're a group of 70, so mike you're, I.

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Mean counselor layton you're in the area you know best, but that's what I've been.

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Advice and you're aware that they're, the bia where these businesses are has an.

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Established position about the bike lane correct: oh yeah, I'm very okay. They spoke.

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At public works, they made a deputation of public work. Okay, thank you. I am aware.

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Of that, thank you counts to wong-tam to speak. Yes, thank.

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You very much, madam speaker, this has been an overwhelming, be.

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Successful pilot project- and I think that I want to thank the staff for all.

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Their hard work, I recognize that this was not necessarily an easy undertaking.

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I don't think we've ever had another project with with such incredible.

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Scrutiny and certainly city council has made multi billion dollar decisions with.

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Far less information, especially one with value impact, economic generators and.

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Councils done the same thing with an unjustifiable, elevated expressway with.

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With again less information, so I think what's really important here is for us.

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To sort of get to to the very core: what's what this debate is about and and.

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What I'm hearing from from from the chamber, madam speaker, is that there is.

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There isn't there is an element within within the discussion that people just.

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Don't generally just like cycling infrastructure ten years ago, as.

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Councilor and crusty pointed out that community wasn't necessarily ready and.

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Ten years from now, when the face of this chamber will change again, it will also.

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Be a different body of decision-makers and I don't very much that they're gonna.

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Be asking for this level of scrutiny on a very simple cycling project bike.

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Traffic is up forty, nine percent, and it will continue to grow year over year.

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Because the cycling infrastructure is now in place, the sales for meniere's as.

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Recorded is also demonstrated that it has increased and I suspect they will.

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Continue to grow year-over-year road conflicts are down by 44 percent.

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Or blur bike lanes is now the second busiest route in the city of toronto. For.

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All bike lane use- and it's actually busier than than many transit routes.

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Based on daily uses alone, some councilors will be asking for more data.

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More studies, more review, more consultation and just more more more.

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That's what I'm gonna suspect, given the list of speakers that are now that's now.

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Populated a speaker list behind me, I'm gonna suggest, madam speaker, that this.

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Chamber defeat all those motions that are coming forth: we don't need to study.

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This any further, we don't need more cut public consultation. We don't need to.

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Pretend that we're gonna go out to get more data, especially if the data that.

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Before us is not good enough, then you probably don't need more cities around.

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The world are all pushing to build active transportation and bracing active.

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Transportation networks and system- and that means that the modal shift is.

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Coming it is already here: cities are embracing, pedestrianised streets, they.

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Are embracing surface lrt, rapid transit routes? They are tearing down their.

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Elevated expressway, and so while we go through this discussion about whether or.

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Not we, we need more information and need more data. I think is actually very.

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Important because later on, we're gonna be talking about a different item.

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Probably the scarborough subway and the value for impact study and there's going.

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To be probably some discussion about whether or not you want to have that.

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Information before you, I think you want to ask yourself: how sincere are you when.

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You say yes to one and no to the other, so I really think that the local.

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Councillors who've worked on. This project needs to be commended. This is a.

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Project, that's long overdue. In our local community of war, 27 we've been working.

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With staff very quietly, it's certainly not the high profile pilot project, but.

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On our end, we've been working with staff since 2015 pretty much on the expansion.

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Of the eastbound lanes to try to connect it all the way to two sherbourne and.

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Beyond and we've been told in 2015, we have to wait to 2019. We asked.

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In 2016, can we accelerate this? We don't need any.

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More consultation, our community wants this. We don't even need to study it any.

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Further 2017 2018 and today I asked the same question: can we accelerate the work.

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The answer remains the same, so I think is fantastic. Where we've landed today, I.

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Think this is a very positive outcome and that was not without a lot of hard.

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Work and I want to thank the local councillors in the local community who.

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Have all shown themselves to be extraordinary advocates on what cycling.

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And safe road systems could look like and how they can work. Thank you very.

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Much thank you councillor for to speak. Thank.

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You, madam speaker, and I am I must say a kessler 110 is a- is a mind-reader I'd.

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Like to move and that we refer this item back to the general manager of.

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Transportation services to complete a detailed cost analysis of approving.

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Their permanent installation of the bursary bike lanes, as well as a winter.

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Cycle count, volume count and a report back to seek out solo laner in the first.

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Quarter of 2018, the challenge I'm unhappy with this colleagues, is that you.

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Know in my questions earlier, I asked about the cost of this and the only cost.

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That we heard about the only cost- that's in the report is about removing this.

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Pilot project- well I'm sorry, but that is inaccurate. Moving forward in the report.

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On number three recommendation: number three: we are asking for traffic signal.

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And intersection modifications we're asking for changes in setbacks, green.

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Area markings which relatively minor costs there and then of course, altering.

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The streetscape to provide curb protection- so am I in favor of this in.

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General, no, I am not, but I am definitely not in favor of having all the facts in.

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Front of us and the capital expenditures, we don't even know moving forward, so I.

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Think those are very important pieces of information we need before approving.

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Capital projects in this council, but in general to the bike lanes.

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I do support cycling infrastructure. Well, I I support cycling infrastructure, not.

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Make sense and make sense to my residents, and I think and when you put.

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The numbers together when you dive into the facts, this is only three hundred and.

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Seventy trips- let's get, let's do the better. For the don't say this is three.

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Hundred and seventy cyclists. Well, I don't think that warrants the city's.

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Most studied transportation project, not that came from staff, so we haven't.

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Looked at that on our subway extensions, that means we haven't looked at it on.

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The gardiner expressway realignment not is concerning to me so that being said, I.

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I will, I will be brief. I think it should be referred back to to have non.

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Information put back in front of us and then making the decision with all the.

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Facts. Thank you. Thank you, council robinson question on.

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Clarification, yes, if we could just have the motion back on the screen, I was.

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Going to ask if you would consider deleting the winter cycle volume count.

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And the reason being is that we did actually move this at key wic and and it.

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Carried a wholeheartedly to introduce permanent bike count station technology.

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To collect year round data on cycling volumes along bloor street west and that.

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Was well supported and cut and staff were happy to to do that. So would you.

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Consider, given that that's already embedded, would you delete that from your.

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Motion counter, I would be happy to delete that at this point I did have a.

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Last minute, converse transportation and they did inform you.

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That I think it's very important that we do that, so I would be happy to doing.

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That, okay, I appreciate that. Thank you. Okay members. We have a referral motion.

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So to speak on the referral you have two minutes, please put your name and your.

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Request to question staff two minutes, we're voting on the referral counts of.

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Crecy, please vote no counselor lane. I would concur with my colleague.

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Councillor cressey: let's vote no for this. Okay on the referral motion: okay,.

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Okay, so recorded vote on the referral ring. The bells.

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Counter fraca jakka's, please counselor mammal edie. Please.

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Counselor family team, a we have your vote. Please, the referral does not carry the boat. Is.

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9 to 30 callister ma'am lady to speak. Madam.

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Speaker, I'm going to move that city council not approve any additional funding for the bloor street west bike lane pilot project until after the 2018.

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Municipal election, the reason I say that is because this is going to be an.

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Election issue, and this this is gonna- weigh heavily on the voters everywhere.

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And I think that this is going to be very similar to the reversal. On the on.

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The license plate scenario and boondoggle that took place a number of.

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Years ago, I think this is gonna happen, the same way so I'd like us not to spend.

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Any more money until after next election, I cannot believe how this is has been.

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Rammed through, I can't believe the amounts of intimidation that are going.

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On the streets of bloor street as well, I cannot believe that businesses have been.

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Intimidated to the point where they're too afraid to speak publicly about.

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What's really happening on bloor street and the reason I say that is because.

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I've talked to them, and you know what they've told me: the business owners on.

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Bloor street have said to me: we wanted to come out and speak against this and.

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We are being intimidated if we come out and speak against this all the little.

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Groups that have been established in that little pocket, the bia and all of.

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The other parts of this equation, they have been told that the councillors and.

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I don't shoot the messenger, but the councillors are very adamant on making.

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Sure that everybody lobby against doing business with the business owners, if.

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They coming out against us. That's what I was told at committee. That's why you.

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Didn't hear many of the businesses come out is funny to me that the businesses.

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Were very furious at one point of this equation and then, like overnight, they.

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Didn't come out and speak about it. I wonder why well, I know why I believe.

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Them, I believe, those finished business owners that have said that. I can't.

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Believe the the statistics that are being pumped out here that are just not.

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Accurate in my opinion, I can't believe that we don't even know.

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Where the cyclists are coming from in the city, but yet we're quick to say.

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There there's thousands of them and and and and we need to build these things.

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Because they're it's on an increase. But when the question was asked as to.

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Whether our own study has has come to realize where these people are coming.

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From we can't even answer that question, because we did, we don't know- and you joked about it earlier when I asked the.

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Question but we don't even know if it's the same people that are going through.

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There, and even some of us that want the information to to see whether or not in.

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Fact that's the case, we're being denied that video and so okay, you got your way.

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And you're gonna get your way today, but at the end of the day this doesn't.

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Finish here, folks, don't think for a second that you've won this thing you.

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Can pump out your chest and and you can and you can pound it like a gorilla but.

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At the end of the day, it's going to come back and it's going to be reversed and.

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You know who's gonna lead the charge they're politically. Certainly I'm gonna.

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Try to help, madam speaker, but I think the businesses are going to come out and.

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I think the drivers of this city finally are going to have to say something and.

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Are gonna want to say something to reverse this position on bike lanes in.

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The city of toronto bike lanes do not need to be on our streets. We have forced.

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Them onto our streets, not because of safety matters, because there's a war on.

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The car going on and the more people they got upset at the drivers of those.

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Cars, the more the more people that that continually hound those drivers. They.

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Believe will stop driving on the streets; they won't stop driving on the streets.

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It hasn't worked anywhere in the world. All you're doing is creating congestion.

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By doing what you're doing councillor long time around the world.

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They're building highways on top of highways to accommodate the car, because.

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This hasn't worked anywhere else around the world. There do.

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Even in third-world countries, they're doing it because they've recognized the.

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Cars are here to stay, whether you like it or not,.

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You're not going to force them because of a political ideology.

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You're not going to force them out of the city because of a political agenda.

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That you've got to piss everybody off. It's not gonna happen. This study is not.

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Accurate, I don't care what anybody says. It is not real. It's been politically.

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Maneuvered and congratulations to those of you that have done it, but we're.

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Coming back here and it's gonna be reversed next term of office, callister campbell to speak well. Thank you, madam speaker.

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So I'm going to public, oh I'm going to support the bike lanes. I have a motion.

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However, and it sort of speaks to councillors, calling for no more.

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Information which just sort of boggles the mind and someone would say no more.

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Reports and no more information, my biggest concern is with respect to is.

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With respect to the businesses, I think that if you have some data from one.

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Third of the businesses from maneras, I don't think that that's really.

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Scratching the surface, I too talked to a number of the businesses, the businesses.

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That I talked to, I talked to probably 20 or 25 businesses, mostly in the korean.

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Area back in the spring, those people don't have the kind of data that really.

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Would substantiate that their businesses were down, but I believe the sincerity of.

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Those people and I don't really believe that their voices are being heard or.

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Reflected in the staff report, people who say that the the bike lanes and I'm this.

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Is coming from somebody who's supporting it, people who say that bike lane the.

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This was overwhelmingly successful. I don't know what they're drinking or.

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Smoking because when you look at the numbers, there's no change in cycling.

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Between the three routes that were looked at harvard street harvard street.

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Bluer and dupont: there's no change the the the the cycling pattern is flat.

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People have just moved around now, so why would I support it? Well, I'm supporting.

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It because I I rode the bike lanes before they were up and irene from.

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Etobicoke when I wrote them, I wrote them after they were up, and you know after.

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They were up, there's no question that there is a much greater sense of security and I think we owe it to the people who were coming in from the inner.

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City and using those and using that mode of transportation, as I was riding along.

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I came up next to a young woman who was probably about the age of one of my.

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Daughters, she was coming in from hyde park and I asked her about her.

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Experience and of course she was much more comfortable once you hit the bike.

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Lanes and as it's like this going home, I got to tell you: I don't know why anybody.

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Would want a bike all the way out to a tobiko from downtown, because it's it's like hell going out there, I'm on bloor street.

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So so be that as it may, I think we, I think we have an obligation to the.

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Cyclists of the city to put this in play, but but the numbers are not the numbers.

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Are not overwhelming the numbers are negligible, people have just moved around.

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So I'm fine with that that people have moved wrong. Maybe more people will will.

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Use these lanes in in the in the years to come.

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Cycling certainly is better for the environment. It gets keeps people off the.

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Ttc, that's already overcrowded it's better for health and so on, but it is.

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Frustrating for drivers, it's frustrating for drivers to be driving along and see.

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An empty bike lane when the cars are lined up now in regard to traffic. It's.

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Counseling emily d alluded to the traffic. Actually, there's no train change.

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In the traffic between nine and four because between nine and four bloor is.

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Basically, it's basically only two lanes anyway, because you've got parked cars so.

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What we're talking about is the effect on the rush-hour. I noticed when I drove.

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In because I drove it along floor, cars are still moving along at a reasonably.

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Rest at rush hour pace when I rode my bike in, I saw the same thing. Cars are.

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Moving along at a reasonable pace, it's not too onerous. I don't think that the.

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Drivers are too adversely affected by this, but my main concern and that's the.

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Reason for the motion to get a little bit more information is to find out how.

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The businesses are being affected because I don't have the confidence from.

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The staff report that a fulsol enough job has been done to ascertain the.

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Impact on these businesses and maybe there's something that we as a city.

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Can do to make sure that some of these places are not closing up their.

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Businesses they're not laying off people. Lord knows that people in small.

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Businesses are affected by enough external environmental of events without.

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Having to lose traffic from people who can't park their cars nearby, so I hope.

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You'll support the motion for a little bit more information, I'm supportive of.

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The bike lanes, I think I think it's the- I think it's an important thing to do.

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For those citizens of toronto who need that mode of transportation, thank you.

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Madam speaker, thank you. We do have a question for you.

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Councillor lee clarification of the motion, thank you because can you put it.

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Up again, please, your motion: can we put the motion on the screen.

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Item seven on recommendation is asking the report to come back to economic.

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Development, so what's difference between yes, yours.

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And this is number seven in the recommendation. It's it's it! It's in.

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Though it's in the wording, I work with the gym public works on this. It's in the.

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It's in the wording that the city manager determine and implement method.

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So it's it's stronger. No, the city council direct the city managers to.

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Identify methods of supporting promoting local businesses along the blue street.

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Bike lanes and reporter the economic development committee, that is what is in.

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The recommendation right now number seven. So what students didn't yours and.

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It's that other than reporting to tune in to commute. Now I mean you're you're,.

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Not wrong, it's just a little bit stronger language, it's just to determine rather than identify, so so it's already been passed by by the committee. So it's.

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Just you know it's how you feel about it. Thank you.

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And how do you feel about it? I'm very happy now that prompted an a number of.

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Other questions now calaman havoc on supporting the lancer, tells with havoc.

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Yeah houston may have a clarification of the motion. Well for some of us.

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Supporting the lanes I'm a bit puzzled in as much as- and this is the quiz the.

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Question staff did with economic development department input conducted.

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Very detailed study and then they cross-checked the study with data from.

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Benares, what other than this is? Are you willing to? Are you willing to being on.

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The budget committee add another whatever it's going to be ten twenty.

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Thousand dollars, because that's what it's gonna cost to do, this extra work.

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And after your motion, I'm going to add that to the but oh that's not.

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Clarification of the motion, because I'm not sure what part of the motion you.

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Don't understand I'm at I'm, I'm wondering whether to support it and I.

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If it's a, if it's gonna cost all this money, then that's a kind of bit of a oh.

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For the information that we've already garnered, that seems to be redundant, my.

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Havoc, that's we're totally related to the motion. That's perfect! Its mime of.

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The view, I'm of the view that it's an important investment to make so that we.

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Don't jeopardize jobs and businesses when businesses close they close forever.

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And jobs are lost, but no evidence that that has happened. So while there is no.

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Evidence that that is happened, but there there is evidence. There is evidence that.

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There has been an impact on business and I think it's it's incumbent upon city.

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Council to have a clear understanding as to what that those impacts are, and I'm.

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Not satisfied with the report as it stands that we have a clear picture of.

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The impact on business- okay, thank you, counsel, wang, 10, clarification of the.

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Motion, yes, thank you very much through you, madam speaker. I just wanted.

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To find out, if the mover of the motion is aware that there's already two.

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Economic impact studies completed, and is he now asking for the third economic.

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Impact study, by way of his motion, I'm asking for an independent impact study.

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So then, the west app this the staff report to quote maneras data. That is.

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Only pulled from one third of the businesses is, in my view, unsatisfactory.

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Would you there, but there was also another one that was conducted by the.

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Local funded by the local bia, where they hire the university of toronto to do a.

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Independent impact study, so they hired some students to do a report. So are you.

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Considering that to be well, the students would have been overseas. My supervisors.

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Are professors techno, if, if I can get their councilors attention very much so.

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Are you are you? Are you suggesting that the bia funded economic impact study by.

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Way of partnering of the? U of t is not an independent one, you're still asking.

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For a third one, I am indeed yes, okay and with respect to asking the city manager.

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To determine and implement methods of, supporting and promoting local.

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Businesses along the the bloor street bike lane or a route that is also the.

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Job of the bia is that not is we don't generally ask the city manager to go off.

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And promote local businesses, a local street you're. Absolutely I would.

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Gather that you're correct in that this is an this is, however, somewhat of an.

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Extraneous circumstance and that we are implementing changes to the roadway that.

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Will impact their business and I think it's incumbent upon us to try to.

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Mitigate those changes and if you don't believe, if you don't believe that it's.

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Important to mitigate the impacts on business, then I suspect you won't.

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Support it, no, I won't be supporting your motion. It looks rather and redundant to.

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Me well, you said you said earlier: you were not in favor of additional.

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Information, so it doesn't surprise. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you.

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Thank you, I think we've exhausted that counts there holiday clarification of.

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The motion- thank you speaker. The words to you to councillor campbell the words.

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Support and promote local businesses indicates to me that they need some help.

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There's been some perhaps there's been some damage, so would you would you agree.

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That the spirit of the motion rests on the assumption that there has been a.

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Negative impact: do you believe that I did I this the first of all to be clear.

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That I spoke to the chair of public works. This is something that was passed.

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By the public works committee, this is to strengthen the language, but I would say.

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From my own experience, talking to businesses along bloor that they had in.

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They had was, there has been a negative impact on their business. The extent of.

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Which is still, I believe, is still undetermined, because some of these.

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Businesses don't use sophisticated means by which to gather their sales data. You.

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Had mentioned that there was some similar motions that public works would.

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You concede that public works committee got an earful from some businesses on.

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The street with a lot of concerns, and thus it was easy to support that that is.

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My understanding, wonderful, thank you.

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Now answer pasternak clarification of the motion. Yes, thank you. Thank you, madam.

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Speaker when you, when you say that the city.

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Managers to determine and implement methods of, supporting and promoting.

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Local businesses are you suggesting that the the public sector that the city.

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Should be helping one of the most prominent retail sectors.

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Sections of roadway in the country to help market itself, so you think that.

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Sort of bloor and shaw is one of the more prominent retail sections in canada.

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Sorry, sorry, which part of bloor are we speaking of.

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Are we speaking of bloor and bathurst or bloor and shaw? Are we speaking of you.

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You know blue rain university. It's a long stretch, it's well the three.

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Kilometer stretch and there's grace that clarification of there there are great.

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Variances there are great variances in the health of those businesses along.

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That stretch, so are you looking so you're looking for the city to help.

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Promote these businesses support and promote them. I'm looking for the city.

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Manager to determine what methods would be suitable, there's a very strong bia.

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Along that route, are they are they not up to it or perhaps not? Thank you. Okay,.

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Counselor did george yeo. Do you have anything more just a very simple.

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Question why I'm speaker, I'm just taking, have some concerns with respect to the.

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Use of the an independent economic impact study, is it fair to say that.

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Perhaps what you're looking for is a more comprehensive impact study. That's a.

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Hundred percent fair, to say thank you and supposed to an impact study from an.

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Economic point we may have already been done. Yes, all right. Okay,.

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That's right, deputy merriman and want clarification.

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Of demotion, yes, I'm trying to ask a couple of helpful questions, so so I.

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Would like to see an independent economic impact study done as well, but.

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As we all know or have come to realize in this place, he who controls the.

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Contract controls the pen, and so I'm just wondering whether how that's spoken.

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As a lawyer, well, whoever you give this to will be able to control the.

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Consultants who are writing the report and you may not get the independence, the.

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Pure independence, that you're looking for and perhaps perhaps count count, sir.

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Hold on hold on hold on, madam speaker, it's based on on the idea that everybody.

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Has their there there there's a point of order. Counterproof. Thank you speaker as.

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The procedures by law makes it absolutely clear were not allowed to.

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Impugn, the integrity of our staff, the direction of councillor, minh and wong's.

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Line of questioning very clearly did so, and I ask that he would draw that.

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Immediately, deputy mayor, okay, I withdraw what I said is there. I want to make.

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You'll have to ask questions on clarification of the motion. We're just.

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Getting worked rough track here. Okay, are you gonna make sure that so madam chair.

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The counselor wants to make sure it's an independent study and how does one? How.

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Do you ensure that that's done? Should it not maybe go through as wouldn't it be.

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Better a placed going through the city manager's office. Yes, it says that I.

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Think, yes, is it through the city manager's office? You said economic.

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Development, didn't you? No! No, no! Okay! Thank you that that's it. I think we've.

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Answered all the questions counts there kelly to speak. Thank you, speaker.

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Speaker, I support the recommendation that are before us today and I do so for.

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A number of reasons: the first is that bike lanes, along with other measures, are.

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Going to help us shape the new toronto, the toronto of the future. In the last.

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Century when I was growing up in scarborough.

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I got the response. I was looking for speaker life at that time.

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Speaker was characterized by an explosive population. We'd gone down.

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Memory lane the suburban regions- thankfully there's still a laneway there,.

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But life at that time, speaker and I'm speaking that seriously yeah was.

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Characterized by an explosive movement of people into the suburban regions and.

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As a result, the metropolitan government of the day built a lot of roads today.

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And going forward we're living in a change in toronto, we're going to be.

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Looking at not just attracting more people, but actually housing them in a.

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More intensified way and the fastest growing neighborhood in this urban.

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Region, the gta is downtown toronto, and so we have to make allowance for in our.

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Transit system, in all of this complexity, for that type of growth, in order to.

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Sustain that standard of living that we have come to enjoy and to expect and.

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Speaker, we're not we're not only just receiving people in large numbers today.

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We are attempt to attract what richard florida.

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Describes as the creative class these it's it's very important for my.

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Colleagues, to understand that the city of toronto today has the highest.

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Percentage of its working population with post-secondary degrees, and so if.

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You're going to be housing, a large densely packed population of creative.

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People's you have to appeal to them and their sense of quality of life that.

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Frankly, differs from the suburban one that has characterized the life of this.

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City for so many years, speaker along with the bike lanes, I.

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Think we have to pay attention to public transit and I'm an unashamed supporter.

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Speaker, the subways every third world city that I have visited over the last.

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Decade that has rocketed into the modern world has done so on a foundation of.

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Rapid subway transit. Secondly, I think we've got to make sure that we become as.

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High-Tech as we can be in moving people and cars and public transit and finally,.

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We have to prepare for what I'm sure is just a few decades away, maybe even.

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Shorter for driverless cars, so this is the package speaker that I think this.

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Council should be supporting and while I don't discount the the challenges, the.

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Problems that will be met as we move in this direction and the suburban drivers.

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Are certainly going to enunciate how they feel about this.

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I would suggest if I can tweak a a slogan that was popular a few years ago,.

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We will have short-term pain for long-term gain. Thank you.

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Count sir carol to speak. Thank you, madam speaker.

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That is big girl, I'll, be supporting the the recommendations that were approved.

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To works, I think they're as much as we want to do, I'd like to know how to.

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Improve business, but I would like a report to come to committee, which is the.

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Recommendation that happened at the public works committee, but of course we want to look at economic impacts. Tell us how you would do it bring it to the.

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Committee and we'll talk, and that, to my to my mind, is where you would look at.

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Okay, these are the suggestions for what we want to do about about economic.

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Impacts in the area now now that we know what staff's recommendations are, let's.

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Honestly, evaluate is, what's being recommended, the role of the bia is it.

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Something we would do in cooperation with the bia, or is it something that we.

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Should do oldest polis, we should do as staff. That's that's a decision to make.

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In economic development, based on what recommendations will be made, and so.

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That's why the recommendation number seven is as far as I'm going to simply.

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Make up some stuff and implement? It is what councilor campbell's motion says. I.

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Won't be supporting that. I want that consideration that second sober thought.

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On who should be doing what, in terms of economic development from our committee.

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Of economic development, so I won't be supporting councilor campbell's motion.

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With respect to another independent economic impact study, I think we've got.

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To give our heads of shake long before we had computers even never mind going.

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Back a few decades, the retail market are the greatest data gatherers in the world.

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All this question of gee: how can we trust a firm like monarus? How could they.

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Know anything about retail or point-of-sale anywhere in the.

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World I am just astounded what we know. It happens in development from time to.

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Time we have people telling us how could cadillac fairview possibly know.

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Anything about who would buy what from where they are the the preeminent market.

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Researcher in the country, in terms of who wants to buy what and what method of.

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Payment, do they want to use and and and in what volumes and how many.

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Transactions, and are they small or big it is? It is payment solutions like.

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Maneras that gather that data, because it is their their their very lifeblood of.

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Their business, they are the experts when we are getting an economic development.

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Report and active on what's going on in the retail market, where do we gather the.

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Data from from those people, they put it out most often in open source and that's.

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How we arrived at our solutions that we need to do from a municipality suddenly.

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When it has to do with bike lanes, we're not sure it's hocus-pocus stuff, how do.

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We possibly believe these people we use their data all the time. That's why we.

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Went to them and they do cover 1/3 of the businesses and the businesses that.

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We should be listening to are the businesses in three bia is not one we're.

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Not just talking about blurring bathurst wrong about the bloor annex bia, I were.

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Talking about the mirvish village bia, we're talking about koreatown tell you.

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About all of the bia s, I don't really need to go beyond that. I don't really.

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Need to go outside that membership, I want to deal with the businesses that.

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Are actually putting cash on the table to have a vested interest in the success.

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Of their business area and who work with us quite collaboratively and quite.

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Responsibly, when there's trouble, they let us know, and we get on with it, but.

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When I looked at the data in the report, I looked at it as telling me something.

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Not just about these bike lanes, but it really tells us about the economy. The.

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Number of transactions in that area has gone up. It would have anyway, without a.

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Blur street pilot because there is growth in that area, but it would also.

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Show us if we really thought about it, but it also show us what's going on in.

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Our economy, young people, who frequent all of the exciting places along this.

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Strip are engaged in precarious employment, it's half the reason. They're.

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Riding bikes and not driving cars, and so the size of their transactions is going.

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Down but there are more of them, creating transactions when I walk down laura.

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Street, as I do on a weekly basis in that stretch where the pilot is because I.

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Have a consultant that I see there every two weeks when I go there in a thursday.

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Night, it is teaming teaming with vibrance young people and people all the.

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Way up to people my age, the original you know pioneers of renovation in that.

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Neighborhood are all up and down that street you can barely move up and down.

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The sidewalk I'm not talking about friday or saturday night, I'm talking about a thursday night. There is obviously vibrance there, but there is.

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Also, if you really unpack the data that retailers gather every day, it is their.

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Lifeblood, you will also see all of those things that are also ok in our economy.

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Right now, thank you. Thank you couch an to speak. Thank you, madam speaker.

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I actually drive to downtown from northeast corner of scarborough and I.

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Say take the richmond exit and I drive down. I see number of people on bikes.

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Going through the wonderful bike lane that exists there, and I actually look at.

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Them and feel happy for them. In fact, I'm not angry because they are able to.

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Exercise and be able to physically active and get to a workplace, which I.

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Can't and I'm a bit jealous, I also feel that you know they can actually be doing.

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A mode of transportation that is environmentally friendly, which I'm not.

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Able to do as a result of lack of proper transit in my area, but I'm not thinking.

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That adding bike lanes as a war on me sitting in the car, in fact, it's me and.

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Them and everybody else walking on the street sharing the street in a way that.

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We are looking forward to to a space that is, that is shared by everybody.

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Regardless of where they live and how they, how they choose to get to their.

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Workplace it is, you know, sometimes you know I have the conference or.

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Or chat with some of the counselors who have misconceptions about people who use.

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Cars, you know, sometimes we are assumed to be wealthier. Sometimes you ask them.

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To be doing that out of our own choices, which is a problem, but I don't think.

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Supporting bike lanes should be misconstrued to be a war on cars. In fact,.

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Those type of characterization only makes our city more divisive. In fact, you.

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Know my my ward may not have, and in fact I haven't heard of anybody who actually.

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From my word uses the bike lane in bloor, but that doesn't matter to me as a city.

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Councilor here trying to determine where the direction is for the city to go.

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Where we want our city to be in terms of leading in terms of active modes of.

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Transportation in terms of sharing the road in terms of being able to have a.

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Well, balanced city: it is important for me to think of it as a whole and in fact.

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Go back and explain to my constituents why I decided to support the the bike.

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Lanes because it's important for us all to be looking forward and where the.

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Direction is, as councillor christine one-time said, we are moving citywide in.

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Cities that want to be safe and vibrant and lively moving towards having more.

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Active transportations incorporated within the course of our city, so I'm.

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Fully in supportive of this motion, the report to kind of make sure that we.

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Don't need to go back and forth again and again into more reports and more.

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Studies, this was a pilot. It was actually fully implemented to see how it goes and.

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The councillors have done their part, the staff have done their part and I'm fully.

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Supportive of it, in fact, I would like you know same kind of encouragement.

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Coming to put more support for bike lanes in the suburbs, so that we can.

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Actually also have enjoy active modes of transportation in areas that are in the.

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Northeast and northwest corners of our cities, so there are young people going.

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To schools and to play and and going to place the worship, the seniors going to.

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Place the worship can actually use active methods of transportation and be.

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Healthier so I'm looking forward to supporting this motion and as a.

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Scarborough councillor, I can be proud as a councillor, to support this motion to.

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Make the bike lanes on bloor permanent? Thank you. Thank you counts there care.

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Giannis. Thank you, madam speaker. I heard we're interest my.

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Previous speaker, my colleague from scarborough talking about putting.

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Bicycle lanes in scarborough I was approached a little while ago about.

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Putting bicycle lanes on one of my arterial streets and I said to the folks.

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You get 60% of the people in my in the area to support on I'll, certainly.

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Consider it never seen them again, so I'm not sure where in scarborough you can.

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Put bike lanes on main streets, but I'll tell you one thing: if you put bike circles in on main streets in scarborough, they probably want to hang.

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You quarter and drown you, but we're talking about bloor street blue street.

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Danforth avenue our streets that have two lanes back and forth parking is.

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Allowed on one on both sides, what is allowed up to now, and there is people.

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That depend on local traffic as well as traffic that drives in, for them to to be.

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Sustainable and we did not get clear answers if you think that one areas for.

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30 seconds represents what's happening on broad streets. I got news for you, give.

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Your head a shake. A lot of these businesses operate on a day to day basis.

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And a lot of these businesses operate on cash. You can ask me, how do I know? I know.

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Madam speaker, because after about thirty years ago, even less than that I was.

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Running a business on the danforth and for people to get up and say that you.

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Know on bruce street forty years ago, people are asking for a bicycle lane.

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Well, I don't remember that and if somebody were to get up and say on.

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Danforth, forty years ago we were asking for bicycle lanes. I have to tell you one.

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Thing there was fights in order to get more parking spaces in order for people.

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To come down and shop, you want to create something that you attract people to.

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Come people that live in my part of the world if there is a the creation that.

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Happens some groceries. They want to come down they're not going to drive.

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Somewhere, get on the bus or get on the on the train, the subway. In order to go.

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That's too far, they'll get on the car and they want to drive down. People in the suburbs are people that need their cars. You need your car.

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To go for distances, even people are using their cars to drive their kids to.

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School, which is the wrong thing but saying to people that we're gonna cut.

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Back and put these bicycle lanes in without having done the due diligence.

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Without having gone and asked the businesses to say how does that affect.

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You by only relying on linares by only saying well, you know we dropped off.

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Notices and some of these notices- I bet you- five bucks dollars to donuts- will.

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Not even translate it, I sometimes help the transportation people translate in.

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My area notices in in the people in the in the in the local, where people read.

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Read the languages you know I mean translating stuff is very, very important.

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And I'll tell you mine, I'm speaker if we were to give it some time make the back.

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Lanes and go through a winter cycle, there will be a considerable different.

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Opinion and spending thousands of dollars to put the curbs and and all.

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That stuff we find out in a couple of years down the line that they didn't.

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Work we're gonna have to spend just as many thousands of dollars to get rid of it, so I will not be supporting this motion that it says we move ahead. I will.

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Be supporting other motions of people that say, let's give it another year.

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Let's get the correct facts: let's make sure that the people, the business speak.

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Out what I'm finding is staff most of the time, give us information, but the.

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Right homework was not done, it's one thing. If you go and ask people.

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Door-To-Door and it's another thing: when staff show up and say I got a notice for.

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You here it is, what do you think, there's a different way that people that run.

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Businesses and constituent speak to staff and there's a different way that.

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They talk to politicians, so I realize that comes from layton and koster.

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Cressey are saying that they want this for their residents, I'd say to them just.

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Give it a little bit more chance, give it a little more chance to go through a winter cycle, give it a chance to make sure that it works and I'll give them a.

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Break from example, in the area of scarborough southwest.

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Pharmacy we passed in this chamber in in scarborough civic council that we will.

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Put bike lanes, there was an uproar, it was an election issue. The person that.

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Was supporting it is not let me longer here you want to take that chance. Go.

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Ahead but you might want to just take the chance and say: let's make sure that.

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It works. Let's make sure that we got the right stats. Thank you staff, but your.

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Figures are not always right, well, counselor, kerr giannis. I think that last.

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Sentence was uncalled for said. If I may is that their figures are not always.

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Right and if that's a challenge I'll bring it to you right now right here,.

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Stuff that I've sent today to the auditor general we're talking about a 20.

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Million 20 million anyways it's another day and I'll ask you councilor holiday.

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Thank you speaker. I have a motion and what, if I could put that up on the screen, I want to get that up and get it out of the way before I speak and it's.

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Really just to report back to the public works and infrastructure committee based.

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On what I heard today and throughout some of this process about the.

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Complaints about behavior of people using these lanes as a speedway or as a.

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Highway, and so I I know that there are some speed limits on some of the trails.

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In the city- or there is ways that I had asked about about calming the way that.

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People behave there. So, let's hear more about it, I really want to spend a bit of.

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Time talking about this process and emotions are running high in this.

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Chamber today I know people that may be viewing over the internet can't see that.

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But if you're in the room you can tell- and I think the source of that is.

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Actually, from a year ago, normally we're fairly subjective and how we excuse me.

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We're fairly objective in how we deal with reports that are before us, but for.

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Some reason this report has been very subjective and that had to do with the.

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Discussion about a year ago, when, despite some attempts in council, we we really.

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Failed to put some parameters around what we thought was success with.

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These bloor street bike lanes, so I asked the general manager to tell you a little.

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Bit about her recommendation and I listened to what she had to say, but I.

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Actually have a different calculus on this, so I wrote up the councillor.

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Holiday report card on the blur street bike lanes and maybe we'll fill it in.

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Together so the first one was the effect on the cycling environment. This is.

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Lifted out of the report, we looked at cyclist volume counts and if you do the.

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Math and the report, the sum was left out of the table, but what you'll learn is.

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That there were 371 trips attracted to the corridor. That's reading the the the.

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Ups and downs of the adjacent bike lanes you know whatever that is- is a hundred.

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And ninety new people, but unfortunately, if that's only a couple of percent in.

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This whole equation. I really cannot see that as a big win.

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And I'm sorry I mean I have to give that one, an f, so the the other thing was a.

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Discussion on safety- and you know what, if you closed down a lane of traffic, you.

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Put some separators and you dedicate that to bikes and you separate the.

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Vehicles from that, I absolutely concur that that is a safer environment. It.

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People feel safer, there's no question about that and I think that they.

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Achieved the objective of that absolutely, I will make the point, though,.

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That there was this discussion about collisions and so on and and according.

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To the report, we are still on track to have another twenty two collisions. This.

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Year but the rate is better, so that's an a thought: we've got to be fair, so it.

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Trips along bloor street, I asked: what does that mean with motor vehicle volume counts well, about two thousand drivers evaporated another two.

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Thousand went to the others, the other, the other parallel routes. I guess.

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Depending on where you live, that's a good or a bad. But as far as I'm concerned, the motorists are probably from the west end of the city and then.

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We're having it harder to get into the city, that's an f and the motor vehicle.

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Travel time everyone says wow, what's a couple of minutes, you know what it's a.

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Ten minute three kilometer stretch to drive the the delay is twenty and forty.

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Percent respective, at the end of the day, and if we think about expanding this project that delay.

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Is just going to be 20 or 40 percent, respectively of the longer strip along.

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Blur street, but it will say, staff work to reduce that that's a d parking.

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Parking was near capacity, and now that we have less spots, it's now over.

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Capacity, this is it right in the report. There aren't enough parking spaces to go.

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Around revenue happened to be equal, and that's because the price went up on the.

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Parking space is to try to make up for the lost spaces. So as far as I'm.

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Concerned, that's a d and the last is- and I can't spend a lot of time on this.

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Because I don't have it today, but there's a lot of questions about the.

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Economic impact from the businesses along there and I'm just simply going to.

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Say incomplete, so to me this is not a slam. Dunk.

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By no means, I think, the problem with this discussion that we've heard about.

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Is it's being this polarizing thing about the local councillors and the.

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Local people they're trying to clamp down in an arterial and keeping the cars.

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Away not respecting that it is a major arterial and it's a major route for.

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People like the constituents that I represent it's their way in and out of.

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The city and if it's severed it feels like we are isolated from the city.

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There aren't limousines going down there, they're not rolls royces they're everyday people just trying to get to work, trying to get to appointments and.

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Try to move goods, but I think this was summed up in public works when I said.

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What do I tell my constituents when this capacity is reduced and someone shouted.

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Out take transit, and that was just an indicator of the attitude towards this.

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That people just don't really care about the situations.

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It's like saying: let them eat cake. You know what happened to marie antoinette.

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Thank you, councillor holiday councillor de bare make her to speak. Thank you.

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Madam speaker I'll be supporting the keeping the bike.

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Lanes and making them permanent. I the main reason and I've seen all the.

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Facts and figures and combinations and studies and computer chips that were.

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Used in the end, you just have to go there. The lanes work. It's very simple.

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I've I've walked beside them, they work. I've ridden my bike on them. They work.

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I've driven my car beside them and along them on bloor. They work they work for.

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Everybody you just have to go there and see it and feel it and observe it and.

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You know they work, so I can read the report. I can play like a rubik's cube.

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With all the facts and figures and percentages, but what I do know from that.

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Report is there's about five thousand people a day riding their bikes along.

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Lore five thousand people a day. There are friends, there are family, there are.

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Co-Workers those five thousand people a day deserve to get to work safely, like.

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All of us, we want our roads to be in good condition so that when we drive our.

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Cars we can get to road safely and not get into an accident. We want our.

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Sidewalks fixed properly, so we're not tripping over potholes so that we can.

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Get to work safely, people riding bikes are very vulnerable when it's you versus.

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A car, a bike versus a car bike, always loses so to create a separated lane.

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Where those 5,000 people at a just onblur can get to work safely, I think.

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That trumps a lot of other things. We have to look at the whole spectrum, but.

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Certainly, for me, safety and people's lives are first and foremost in my.

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Decision-Making and that's why I support it when you look at the staff report.

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It's 9,200 people on bloor dupont and harvard it's over 9,000 of our family.

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And friends, cycling, just on those three streets and in the staff report. If you look at just the top ten routes, doesn't anything even.

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Include the route that I cycle in onto so forget mine, but just the top ten.

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Cycling routes and in the downtown core are 37,000 people a day.

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We can call them 37,000 cyclists a day, but there 37,000 human beings who leave.

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Their doors they hug their wife or their husband, they hug their kids. They say hi.

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To their neighbors, they get on a bike, and 37,000 of them come into downtown.

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Toronto to do to do their jobs and and to teach and and work and do all the.

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Things that we want our neighbors to do, and the trade-off for this in the staff report is that in this area there may be a.

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Delay for some of us during the peak rush hour, not at 8 or 10 o'clock at.

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Night, when many of us go downtown to to a cafe or visit friends. But during the.

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Peak rush hour, there might be a delay of 2 to 4 minutes and what I think well.

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When it's the hot summer time in august and I'm driving my suv in an.

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Air-Conditioned vehicle listening to my favorite music and I see the people.

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Beside me in a dedicated bike lane- and I think you know what I might have to take.

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An extra two minutes to drive downtown, maybe even four minutes- to drive.

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Downtown, so that those 5,000 people can get to work safely without being harmed.

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I don't mind I'm in an air-conditioned vehicle and when it's january and.

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There's fewer people out on those bike lanes because it's cold, I'm sitting in a.

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Car listening to my favorite music, my favorite radio stations in a warm car.

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That now, because I bought an suv, has heated seats, I'm driving downtown and an.

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Suv with heated seats with heat and listening to my favorite music and maybe.

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It'll take me 2 to 4 minutes to get to work safely. I'm willing, as somebody out.

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In the east end of the city who drives his car downtown every once in a while.

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To see you know what I I think, that's worthwhile.

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I think, madam chair, what I know is well, I got lucky, I suppose, in life when I got.

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Elected in 2003 they put the dundas street bike lanes and in 2002. So there's.

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A lot of hemming and hawing and challenging of numbers and saying.

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Businesses are hurt when you know most of the information says they're not, but.

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I go well, let's look at where we've had a bike lane in since 2002 dundas street.

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East bike lane has been there for 15 years. Many of us in the east end drive.

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It via putter along its single-file, it's one lane the bike lanes remove two lanes.

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Of traffic there's parking there and what about the businesses? Well, madam.

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Speaker I just listed them because I cycle past my thought was gee. Maybe.

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They're all going bankrupt, but the first one I see on my way home is lee ann.

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Better bridle there's a bridal salon there there's a submarine store, there's.

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A variety store: there's the t-shirt, guys there's the artist play, there's a.

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Theatre company there's a pilates and physiotherapy studio front.

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Dundas there's a design place, there's a sound company, there's a casting business.

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There's a packaging store, there's a restaurant there's a theater there's a.

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Project gallery there's a haircutting place.

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There's the jones avenue library there is the 55 division police station and.

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Finally, if you want to know that business succeed, adjacent to bike lanes,.

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Go to the british style fish-and-chips, they do a booming business right on that.

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Bike lane you have nothing to worry about if you live in downtown toronto,.

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Thank you. Thank you to those who pointed out that was time. My name is not there.

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Oh sorry, it disappeared. Thank you. Councillor.

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Davis, thank you speaker. I did have the opportunity as well to be.

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At committee and to hear the deputations and there were dozens and dozens and.

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Dozens and virtually everyone came and supported the bike lane pilot project.

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And asked us to extend it. There was one group of businesses, but they were all of.

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The other businesses that were represented by the bia s, who came and.

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Supported extending the bike lane, they were independent businesses who came and.

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Said please keep the bike lanes going. The report before us demonstrates.

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Unequivocally that the installation of the blue bike lanes have improved.

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Traffic or improved cycling significantly, and I don't think you can.

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Say it any better than councillor to bear maker just said it 5,000 people.

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Every day are on those lanes, 5,000 people of all ages and all different.

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Types of cycling skills who are now using that bike lane every day.

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And do you know they're not going to go away once they start cycling? They will.

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Continue to cycle because they now feel safe and, as I said it committee like me,.

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I love to get on my bike now and get into a bike lane where I feel safe, and I.

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Get the that the enjoyment of riding my bike to work, and I will do it more and.

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There'll be more and more and more people like me, you're not going to see a.

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Decline in cycling in this city, it is going to grow and I have watched the.

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Dundas bike lanes wow, it starts to feel almost like copenhagen on dundas. There.

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Are so many cyclists and the same onblur that lane is fabulous absolutely.

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Fabulous you get a chance to really experience the sense of what that.

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Vibrant urban street is all about. It really is the best way other than.

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Walking to really enjoy bluer- and I have to say bluer- has some very important and.

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Significant cultural institutions on it and one of the most impressive.

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Deputations was from the organization that represents all of the major.

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Cultural institutions on bloor from the agco to the kerner to rom there were 12.

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To 12 organizations all of the major or.

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Cultural institutions on bloor, they came and they said, keep the bike lanes for.

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Our customers and for our staff- and they too were unequivocal. It was a position.

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That had been developed in discussion with all of those member organizations.

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So local businesses and clearly from the study, the people who use it, feel safer.

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There is the public perception and the survey that was completed showed more.

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People are likely to use bike lanes. There have been questions about the tcat.

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Study the tcats study when we questioned about the legitimacy, the methodology.

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Whether it was done in a professional way, our staff said that it was.

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Peer-Reviewed and they fully believed in the validity of that study, so to have.

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Anyone around this table say our staff or that study was inaccurate. You have to.

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Question what information they had to draw that conclusion, because there was.

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Absolutely nothing before us that did anything other than demonstrate. It was a.

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Valid compelling positive outcome from that study. I just wanted to use my last.

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45 seconds to say my one disappointment was, there was no recommendation to.

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Proceed with the danforth corridor study, but I'm hopeful that as we go through.

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The next few months and we look at opportunities for advancing cycling on.

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The danforth that we will see bike lanes on the danforth.

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That will connect with the bluer lanes in the near future. I I see that what we.

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Really have to do is to complete this network all the way into scarborough. I.

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Am on the border of scarborough that gateway to scarborough and there are.

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Many people who come in to our command q, councillor burrell thank and that's the.

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Next planning and the next steps.

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Okay, counselor to bear maker, but but what about? What about the city of york.

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Really are we forgetting about that? The west end counts to me havoc. Yes, thank.

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You, madam speaker, you know it's it's kind of interesting, this debate, that.

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We're having here I'm absolutely convinced that, just from the speakers.

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And chatting to different folks that every single member of the toronto east.

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You are community, council will be supporting the bike lanes and maybe this.

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Is on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of the mega city.

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Amalgamation is a cause for reflection and to me the what it's. Certainly one of.

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The reflections is that you know what we're a very big in complexity and very.

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Different city as well, certainly in you know when I'm driving to the airport or.

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Driving someone to the airport and I go through the side streets, because the 401.

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Is so packed I go through a tobu call, you know, I can remember thinking to.

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Myself- okay, I get it. I get that this is a very, very different reality here and I.

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Get that scar was a different reality when I visit friends and folks in.

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Scarborough well in downtown, we have our, we have our own reality. We have a we.

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Have a very distinct reality and the fact that that it will be unanimous from.

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The downtown point of view, I think, should inform some folks from the from.

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The inner suburbs that you know what you have to in this mega city, environment.

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You have to understand that mobility is happening differently on bloor street.

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And in our more downtown midtown communities, there's a shift taking place.

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And it's not it's a shift. That's not, unlike shifts that have already taken.

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Place in very dramatic forms, in many many cities in north america and of.

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Course, they've taken place years ago in in the major cities of europe.

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And you know it's funny on the economic side, 90% of the people of the people who.

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Visit are attracted to businesses on bloor street. Come there walking cycling.

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Public transit, the shift has already 90 percent. If you have, if you have the.

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Three together, those are pretty dramatic numbers like.

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We wouldn't, I cannot see cressy or laden or in anyone along pushy, really trying.

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To hurt their own local businesses, they know that it's it's vital to their.

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Frankly, political success into the success of those streets. This shift has.

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Taken place and we need the councillors in the inner suburbs to recognize that.

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That shift has taken place, just as you would want us to recognize that mobility.

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Happens differently in the outer suburbs and the inner suburbs than they do.

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Downtown so you know we need to shift the debate from and I think I've learned.

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This from our transportation general managers over the years, you have to stop.

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Talking about wire well, you have to rise up a little bit beyond talking about.

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Public transit or walking or cycling or vick euler mobility. To that larger.

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Question of mobility: how do people get around? How can we achieve the most.

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Efficiency and the in the end, the best sustainability for the most folks in.

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Toronto, when you ask that question, then I think all the evidence points towards.

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The bike lane is something that we on bloor street is something that we need.

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To do so, of course, probably no supportin, no surprise. I will be supporting it and.

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You know, I think the numbers are going to change right now. It's 5,000 5,000.

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Cyclists, noting 20,000 vehicles, noting 500,000 people, are going along for.

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Street underground in public transit as well, those numbers are going to shift in.

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The years to come, the bike lane has not yet matured. We talk of public transit.

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Lines maturing bike lanes will mature as well the trend line that has already.

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Gone almost doubled in one year that will go.

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Higher and higher and higher there's certainly been times when I've had to.

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Wait and I used the lane whenever I can in the summertime or in the fall. I don't.

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I'm not a winter cyclist, but I've used it and it's gone busier and busier and.

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We're on the verge of having to wait an extra red light, sometimes as you're.

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Waiting because there's so many cyclists there that trends going to attend you.

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Continue- and I don't think we should hamper this- these- the the very good.

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Direction that came from committee with any of the frankly semi poison pills.

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That, I think, are really trying to slow it down throw mud in the tracks to to.

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Advancing this, thank you very much, madam speaker.

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Thank you councillor, digiorgio. Thank you, madam speaker.

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Following up on the heels of the previous speaker, I am, I am inclined to.

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Support the cycle lanes a couple of reasons. First of all, there's no question.

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That there's a there's a need to have an alternative form of transportation. For.

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People primarily in the city of toronto, when I hear stories from my daughter.

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That you know what she has to wait to get on the king car. She has to wait a.

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Number of cars before she gets on or, and she cycles living downtown. You know the.

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Fact that we are building subway's going further north and more and more people.

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Are getting on at the north end and by virtue of subway trains being full by.

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The time they get to davenport or even finch people downtown are inconvenienced.

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And not able to board trains, so I am in the context of having a balanced.

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Transportation system, it is important that we look at cycle ends, however, and.

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Safety is the fundamental primary issue that we look at when we introduce.

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Additional cycling lanes, but we've also seen what are the consequences.

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Notwithstanding that we're trying to achieve greater safety, the consequences.

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When councilor holiday introduces the numbers is that well, it seems that the.

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Increase in cyclists goes up by 371, but the decrease in motorists.

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Using the same stretch of road goes down by around 2000, and you know you can.

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Argue as to whether that has an economic impact or not, I suspect that it does, but.

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That needs to be put aside in the short-term, and then you pick up the.

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Comment that counts from and havoc makes, and he says the numbers are only going.

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To grow when you're right, the number of cyclists is only going to grow, but what.

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Does that mean when I drive downtown, I see cycle lanes on st. george's, but I.

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Also see that people pass in the bike lanes and so before we know it we're.

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Gonna need double the size of the bike lanes, not simply because cyclists will.

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Behave as motorists do, and that is they will require a require. A passing lane.

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It's that simple and then all of a sudden, the rules of the road starts to.

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Become more and more important and the fact that we need to start licensing all.

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This growing number of cyclists becomes important becomes it becomes a revenue.

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Generator for us and as people travel longer and longer routes on cycling and.

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They have to go to work cycling by the time they get to work.

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They need a shower, and so not only we do. We need infrastructure improvements on.

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The roads, but we have to introduce more and more showers in their places of work.

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So that we can accommodate those growing needs, unless you want to come to work.

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And start smelling anyway, those things being said anyway. That being said, you.

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Know there will be impacts, we have to adapt as we go, but the costs of doing.

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This kind of thing sharing space on the roads will go up. We need to find.

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Alternative revenue sources, ie user fees for cyclists. Thank you.

A

Deputy mayor minam wang, yes, thank you ma'am cherry. I am not supporting the the.

B

Bike lanes the I was watching the mayor doing his immediate availability today.

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And he was talking about how it's taken over ten years to get these bike lanes.

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In or more than ten ten years yet the reason why it's taken this long is.

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Because, in previous years, in previous years, council had the good sense.

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Whenever this camp came up to say no, and I lament the fact that we may not make.

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That decision today, I can also tell you, I asked my residents what they thought.

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Of these bike lanes, I asked hundreds of them over 63 percent.

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Said they and I didn't ask a biased question, like some surveys like saying.

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Are you in favor of bike lanes because they'll they'll make cycling safe, you'll.

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Get a dancer, I asked a question, I said so. On the one side it's gonna make it.

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Safer for cyclists, on the other side, it's gonna increase congestion, balance.

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Question sixty-three percent said no, and why did they say? No? Because it's because.

B

It's getting tougher to drive in the city, it's getting tougher to drive in.

B

This city- and they know it- and they see this happening all over the place and.

B

They see this bike, these bike lanes and amanda as a manifestation of taking a.

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Step backwards, that's what they see right. I am concerned as well about the.

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Subjective interpretation in the report, so you see you see all these ideas about.

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You know how many extra cyclists there are, but when you ask and probe questions.

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I think counselor counselor campbell raise the raise the issue of new.

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Cyclists only three percent, only three percent of new cyclists, but each staff.

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Don't talk about they've been talking about the extra cyclists because that's what they want to talk about, they don't talk about that. It's going to take an.

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Extra four minutes to drive and if and if you and if it takes you ten minutes.

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And you're using bloor street that extra four minutes. It's a lot of time. Four.

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Minutes is a lot of extra time every single day that you're gonna spend in.

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The car trying to get to your family every night, but staff, no, no staff, nick.

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This is great because it's only half of what it was, but it's still four minutes.

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Every single day, so that that's you know, staff saying it's cut in half, that's.

B

Like saying you know my instead of my house, flooding and being 12 inches deep.

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At six inches deep, my house is still flooded so and and to the to to the.

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Counselors heckling saying: that's nobody's drowning. Well, you know what.

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This city is drowning and congestion. It's getting tougher and tougher to get.

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Around the city, and what do we do? What are we doing, we're making it worse.

B

This is a you know this idea, you know, I can tell you, I mean I'm not against bike.

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Lanes I was the I was the first guy that put a bicycling network forward in the.

B

City and accomplished it for ten years, you know former mayors, latent talked.

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About it, david miller talked about it known, pardon me last night, not late.

C

There's a big big difference, I'm getting oh, my gosh! That was a nightmare. I had.

B

Last week, but so I put it so and you want to talk about success, they're.

B

Talking about success we put in and because I recommended through public.

B

Works richmond and adelaide, okay, so, and so so the so city staffers saying.

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There's a modest increase on these blur street bike lanes. So what did we do on.

B

Richmond and a light together as a council, it wasn't a 50% increase on.

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Richmond, it was a 900 percent increase on adelaide. It was a seven hundred.

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Percent increase we put in a network connectivity, we took them off jarvis.

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Street, because we that was a way to get in and out of the city and we put them.

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On sherbourne street, why? Because the principle behind that.

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Unlike bloor, is you put it on secondary streets where you're not going to.

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Conflict with with cars that have to go all the way up, the to tow book a wall or.

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All the way up to scarborough, you know put them on bloor street. You put them on.

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Wellesley street, you put them on secondary issues and you create a network. No, we shouldn't be doing this. This is what we're doing is. You know.

B

People talk about they're, going to be there more they're going to be more cyclists. Well got news for you, they're going to be a lot more cars, and we.

B

Should be, we should be accommodating them and we shouldn't be taking a stick.

B

And poking and poking it in their eye. Thank you, councillor, theresa. Thank you.

L

Speaker, I'm speaker, I I'm going to support the.

L

Bike lanes on on bloor street, what's interesting speaker is that I I.

L

Took a, I took a drive on on bloor street when the when the bike lanes I'll get to.

L

That in a second, I've actually biked on bloor street as well on a great many.

L

Occasions and very honest, please stop interrupting speaker. Can I have my clock.

B

Back not that I'm gonna go to limit, but just in case right. So I have. I have.

L

Biked on bloor and I've driven on bloor, and I can tell you that, with the bike.

L

Lanes on bloor street, I found that I didn't have to be as.

L

Cognizant of cyclists, it's kind of like I went through, and I was like looking.

L

Left I was looking right but didn't have to pay attention to same degree than.

L

When I used to drive on bloor street before because blue street was very.

L

Hazardous you had people coming into the center lane with their bikes. You had the.

L

Cars, you know, opening and closing their doors really causing a.

L

A difficult situation for both cyclists and drivers, so we've heard- and I sat.

L

Through the works committee the other day- and we got all these numbers- and we.

L

Can all recite the numbers now by and large, in terms of you know, the number of.

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Parking spaces that you have reduced on bloor street. The the distance of the the.

L

The cycle lanes of two and a half kilometers the number of businesses.

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Doing business on bloor street, the 600 or so businesses, and I have to tell you.

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My speaker and I agree with councillor menon wong. He was one of the only people.

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That actually set up and and said why he we shouldn't have bike lanes on blur.

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Street because he believes that it adds to congestion that he believes that it.

L

Adds four minutes to to a car trip or or a vehicle trip on blur street? I.

L

Appreciate that, because most people most folks here have.

L

Been hiding behind all these other arguments and not not really calling it.

L

As clear as as councillor minh and wong just did so I appreciate that so we lose.

L

125 spaces 600 businesses 2.5 kilometres, yes business. I wanted to get. I wanted to.

L

Talk a little bit about business, something that was really interesting both at the committee level as well. So what I have my good friends on the right.

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Those folks who traditionally say everybody's on their own a business say.

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You're, creative, you work hard, you do well, you should be able to do well, but.

L

You should do it on your own. Don't look to the public sector to help you all.

L

Right, uh-huh! Well, it's interesting that those folks.

L

There and have been saying through the sort of debaters these businesses need.

L

The public round they need the roadway we, the public sector, should be there.

L

Providing these parking spaces to make these business.

L

Successful and to continue their success because we care about business. Well, I'm.

L

One of those that believes that you do what you can to help when you can right.

L

Whether it's business or people- I don't know it, believes that. But I've heard my.

L

Good friend, councilman and wong, I often say that we shouldn't be in the business.

L

Of having that helped, you out, you're not entitled to a parking spot in front of.

L

Your store on the public road away, paid by everybody everywhere,.

L

It's not yours, it's not yours exclusively, but okay, so, but we provide.

L

That I agree, we should provide that and they lose a few spots in the overall.

L

Assembly of this of this thing, congestion, if you put in bike lanes, you.

L

Have more congestion? Well, you got more congestion because you got more cars, not.

L

Because you got 350 more bikes, if you got a few people out of their cars and.

L

You you increase the bike traffic on bloor street, presumably you're.

L

Increasing congestion at a slower rate, I agree with councilman arak, we're always.

L

Going to have more and more cars, as you have more and more people, you have more.

L

And more cars: that's why we have congestion. So for those and some of.

L

Those others that have already been mentioned by some of the others, I'm.

L

Going to support the bike lanes on blur street. Thank you. Thank you. Counterfeiter.

A

Count, sir, but it was entertaining count, sir bye laughs. Thank you, madam speaker.

A

I'll be brief, I wasn't gonna even gonna speak because I think that we know the.

C

Way that this is going, but I find it interesting and I would like just to.

C

Comment on the fact that the people that are getting up and saying that they're.

F

Not voting for the bike lanes are the ones that's complaining about congestion.

C

And my question is to a city that is growing to the tune of 450,000 people in.

C

The next 20 years, if we don't have alternative ways, convenient ways safe.

C

Ways for people to get around, how are you gonna, have another 450,000 residents.

C

In this city to get around so this is not the solution, but it's part of the.

C

Solution, you need transit, you need bike lanes, you need car share, you need.

C

Different working hours, that's how you're gonna get to deal with congestion.

C

In the city, you need to create convenient and safe ways for people to.

C

Get around and to move around and I think that's what we're talking about.

C

Here today is just one more way to have people getting around, because a lot of.

C

People talked about this congestion issue, but how do you solve it? You're.

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Gonna build roads on top of roads, so you're gonna tell residents oh you're.

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Gonna have a road going on there window. I can tell you how matter my residents.

C

Reacted on metrolinx put a bridge in front of their windows. They don't like.

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It so we need different approaches and we need to understand that people want.

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Convenient and safe ways to get around and, like I said, that's what we're doing.

F

Here today and I'm looking forward to being able to support this, thank you.

A

Count their perks to speak, 3 things to consider quickly. We have peer-reviewed.

L

Economic data- and it's not good enough there- it there seems to be no amount of.

L

Data that will ever be good enough to persuade some members of this council.

L

That's one thing to consider the second thing to consider. I want us to go back.

L

To councilor holidays scorecard, there were scores on parking and scores on.

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Business volume and scores on safety- I was.

L

Presented as if those are all equal things, people died when we don't build.

L

Safe bike infrastructure in the last year I have had two residents and or two.

L

Fatalities, one on the martin goodman trail and one on king street of cyclists.

L

On the safety we get an a on saving human lives. We get an a nothing else on.

L

That report card was as important, and you can't treat all those things as if.

L

They're the same, the third thought and it's a very very.

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Simple thought we've been told over and over and over again that when we bring.

L

In bike lanes, we will have massive congestion problems and businesses will.

L

Collapse we went out and collected data that showed that neither of those things.

L

Happened, we achieved our goals, we save lives and we delivered the data that.

L

This very council asked for and satisfied the questions that the members.

L

Of this council asked for it and saying that's not enough, and that.

L

You want more data meant that you didn't really believe in it the first time so.

L

The time for all of the subsidiary motions is gone, the time for asking for.

L

More studies and different studies and other studies is gone. That's all behind.

L

Us if you believed that we did the right thing and asking for that data in the.

L

First place and when it came back and said yes, we are saving lives. No we're.

L

Not destroying the business environment and yes, while there is a little bit of.

L

Slowdown in traffic, that's the case everywhere in the city of toronto. If.

L

You're not paying attention, we didn't cause a disaster, we save lives, didn't.

L

Cause a disaster: stop pretending that there's any more information that you.

L

Need and support the recommendations from committee and none of the.

L

Subsidiary motions: thank you. Thank you, councillor, mcmahon, to speak.

C

And I have this on please.

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Right here, so it's on: okay, thanks! Okay! So I'm not.

D

Gonna talk to you about the numbers, I'm not gonna talk to you about the weather.

C

It's gonna go on, I'm not gonna tie it talk to you about businesses for some.

C

Please feel free to join me feel free to join me 2018 and I'm not going to talk.

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To you about report cards, I'm gonna talk to you about safety and road violence.

C

And I'm gonna introduce you to some people who are no longer here with us. I.

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Want to introduce you to gary sim who was riding a bike in the west end. This.

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Summer, when he was hit and killed rest in peace, I'm gonna introduce you to.

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David to los santos, who was riding his bike at king and cowan three weeks ago,.

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After dropping his daughter off at daycare when he was hit and killed rest.

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In peace and I'm gonna list introduce you to.

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Xavier morgan, who was riding his bike on the martin goodman trail with his.

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Grandpa when he was hit and killed rest in peace, this is one of the single most.

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Important votes you will ever make in this council chamber providing proper.

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Cycling infrastructure is a difference between life and death. This should be a.

C

Unanimous vote. Thank you councillor layton. I would like.

M

To to thank councillor mcmahon for for reminding us of the one reason that we.

M

Should be in this chamber at all, and I would ask all of you if safety isn't.

M

Your number one priority: what are you doing here? I'm gonna tell you why I'm.

M

Here because I was elected to make to make life better for residents, I think.

M

All of you may share that and you, but when you look at all the factors, the one.

M

That should weight the most in our decision is public safety are all of our.

M

Decisions leading to a safer place for our residents, their friends, our visitors,.

M

To our city are I'm here for this, for families like mine for four daughters.

M

Like mine, four partners like mine, who don't feel comfortable cycling on.

M

Toronto streets in the community we live and wear facilities like this. Allow them.

M

To do that, families like mine, who drive on occasion who take transit a good.

M

Portion of the time as well. But who also would like to be able to.

M

Bike as a family to get around the city to get to work, to get to school, to enjoy.

M

All of our great city has to offer I'm here for those families, and I'm.

M

Gonna vote today with those families and those children.

M

And those seniors in mine, because if you go out there and look to who's using.

M

Blur street now on their bike, it's those people were not taking away from the.

M

Safety of the drivers, in fact we're enhancing the safety of the drivers, the.

M

Lanes have have have improved the situation for many and I'd like to.

M

Address some of the points and comments that have been made throughout because.

M

It seems like those detractors from the lanes are really grasping for anything.

M

They can find because the data shows cycling's up staff through their good.

M

Work have been able to moderate the impact on drivers, we've monitored the.

M

Parking situation on the street- and we know through our own study that 90% of.

M

The people that shop on bloor walk, ok, public transit or they bike 90%. This.

M

Community needs this bike lane. It needs the bike lane to stay safe.

M

Because I'm not an anomaly amongst my community, I may be because I sometimes.

M

Drive but there are a lot more families like mine and more that want to be like.

M

Mine that want to be able to to feel safe outside on the road. Now this is a.

M

Very contentious issue: it has been probably for the last 40 years. Remember.

M

My institutional memory here goes back before many of you were even here.

M

Because my parents were here- and I could they represented some of these communities- and I can tell you- I hear stories about how how this probably.

M

Wouldn't have happened 30 years ago, but a lot has changed. The number of cyclists.

M

In our cities change the way we think about cities has changed. I would I would.

M

Urge you all to vote against them recommendations and emotions that have.

M

Been made by members of this committee, many of which have political motivations.

M

And instead support the committee support the the staff recommendations.

M

And including the recommendations that came out of the public works committee,.

M

Rather then, allow our political motivations to drive us. Let's.

M

The expert day to speak, let's show the world that geronimo is ready. Let's show.

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Our constituents that we care about their safety and not just convenience.

M

For some now with nothing, if absolutely nothing else, I would say what do you got.

M

Against amazon, because those 50,000 jobs are really important to our city and you.

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Know what we're gonna have to tear this page out of the book the we sent amazon.

M

That specifically references the blue street bike lanes as a reason to move to.

M

Toronto- I don't want to rip this page out, councillor holiday, would you would.

M

You like to turn down fifty thousand jobs, councillor min and wong. Would you.

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Like to turn down fifty thousand jobs, really we have. We have gone out there to.

M

The world and said we are ready to make a step like this, we're not afraid we're.

M

Ready to focus on safety and be a 21st century city, so I urge you to support.

M

The recommendations from city staff and vote against the amendments. Thank you.

A

Councillor fletcher to speak. Yes, thank you, a speaker.

J

I think bikes are here to stay in the city of toronto and I think we all.

J

Really know that they're here to stay, so we have to find ways that the growing.

J

Number of people that cycle and I'm one of them, I also drive a car. I also walk.

J

That we have a way to move safely through the city. Drivers are moving.

J

Safely in cars, pedestrians are moving safely. Cyclists are moving safety that.

J

Is our vision, zero plan that we are all committed to implementing here in our.

J

City, this fall. I was very proud and actually very moved to attend press.

J

Conference from doctors for safe cycling, doctors in our city, doctors that look.

J

After us look after our health came together to say, their prescription is.

J

Bike lanes for safe cycling to save lives, to save lives on the road.

J

Their prescription his bike lanes, they told us about people that they see that.

J

Are hit they referenced. The people that councillor mcmahon has shown us today.

J

And how important it is to keep torontonians who choose to ride bikes as.

J

Their mode of transportation safe and I agree with councillor layton- that's.

J

Actually, our responsibility here at the city of toronto. We have a board of.

J

Health that is devoted 100% to keeping people safe public health is a safety.

J

Issue for our health. Recently I was at the meeting and the the every month we.

J

Have a vigil for the friends and families of safe streets and people have.

J

Come together for those that have been killed on the sidewalks or killed.

J

Walking the street across the street and they are advocating for road safety for.

J

All of the users- and I believe they support this bike lane on bloor, my son.

J

Who lives in the west end said ma that bike lane? It's so fantastic. I feel.

J

So safe riding on that section of bloor street when he rides home late at night.

J

And I think thank god for that. I don't have to worry about you when.

J

You're on a bike lane, I don't worry when I'm on the done des bike lanes. I don't.

J

Worry when I'm on the shooter bike lane, I worry if I'm on girard and people are.

J

Pulling out and they don't realize, there's a bike lane there. I don't worry.

J

On the sherbourne bike lane, I don't worry on the tsimko bike lane. I don't.

J

Worry on the martin goodman trail. I don't want to worry on bloor street and.

J

This is a gift for people that want to cycle and be safe.

J

I don't believe bike lanes cause congestion.

J

I think they keep cyclists safe during congestion, and I also think that the.

J

More people on cyclists mean less congestion. I'll tell you what congestion.

J

Is in the then it's closing the bridge on queen.

J

Street over the river, it's digging up eastern avenue for water. At the same.

J

Time and it's closing two lanes on girard at the same time as eastern and.

J

The bridge are closed on queen and somehow councilors here would have us.

J

Believe that people are going slowly now because of bike lanes, not because of.

J

Road work not because of cranes, not because of construction, but somehow bike.

J

Lanes are crippling people's ability to move through the city. That's absolutely.

J

Not the case, I am disappointed that our corridor.

J

Study was removed for 2018 and we wouldn't be starting that now, with terms.

J

Of reference and figuring out how we're going to bring people together across.

J

Twelve point: eight kilometers of our danforth from bravo to victoria park.

J

That conversation has to start. I committed to having that start, because.

J

This is an adult conversation to have there I'll say I was there for done.

J

Doubts when it started in 2002 and you thought the world would have ended in.

J

2002 by putting bike lanes on dundas and now there's an entire generation. That's.

J

Growing up in the east end that has never known done, does avenue in.

J

Any other form than a street with a bike lane for them. Bike lanes and roads go.

J

Together- and that is the city that we want to build, that will be the case for.

J

Bloor street and I urge everyone to support this and just support the fine.

J

Recommendations that come for the blur bike lane. Thank you. Are there any.

A

Further speakers before I close the list off now: okay merit or either last.

A

Speaker well, thank you, madam speaker, and may I say thank you to colleagues for a.

K

Very thorough discussion and debate, and may I say thank you to our staff they've.

K

Worked carefully hard on this over a very long period of time, I guess going back, or some of us were here and thank you to.

K

The members of the public works committee and his chair, jay robinson, who.

K

Have worked on this as well, and I think, put forward some very excellent.

K

Recommendations that supplemented the report that was put in front of us- you know it's been said. This may be the most thorough process ever conducted in the.

K

Media asked me at lunchtime: you know whether I thought it was too lengthy and.

K

And they didn't ask me if I thought it was too thorough, but I said this I said the process was lengthy, but what it allowed us to do and to be here today.

K

Not to achieve perfection not having achieved perfection and not having.

K

Achieved unanimity because those are both by and large impossible and many of.

K

The issues that we deal with here, but I think the question that we could ask.

K

After this process is, did we listen enough? Did we measure enough? Did we.

K

Accommodate sufficiently to achieve the balance that we have to seek, not in 1977.

K

Or 1997 or 2007, but in 2017, and that balance taking into account all of the.

K

2017 competing uses for scarce public space among between and among cyclists,.

K

And pedestrians and drivers and businesses and neighbors, I believe that.

K

If you include, as I do, the improvements that will be made as a result of the the.

K

Parts of the motion that are put forward by the public works committee and before us now that the answer to that question will be yes, and that includes things.

K

Like like the improvements to deliveries, improvements to design and winter.

K

Counting and all the different things- and I think that this makes these bike.

K

Lanes being made permanent, the right thing to do the balanced thing to do and.

K

The farsighted thing to do we are not talking about some revolutionary change.

K

Here we are not talking about a revolutionary change here. This.

K

Represents important, balanced, incremental change but incremental.

K

Change, nonetheless- and you know, there's some people who criticize me for the.

K

Fact that we are making changes incremental ii as opposed to moving.

K

Faster to do things faster, but I make no apology for that. I think what we have.

K

Done here is: we have moved together with a evolving public.

K

Census that understands the fact that understands the fact that things have.

K

Changed things have changed in the context of how people want to get around.

K

How they have to get around how they choose to get around and that we have to.

K

Do as the custodians of the public space is to make sure that we balance all of.

K

Those interests- and I don't apologize for showing leadership on that, because I.

K

Think my job is yes to lead, as I believe I have done on this issue, but that it is.

K

To lead in a way that actually sees us move forward. The very fact like so many.

K

Other things, including I would mention in particular, public transit, that people.

K

Can talk in this room about discussions and debates that have gone on for 40.

K

Years or ten years suggests to me that we haven't been paying adequate.

K

Attention to that process of responsible, balanced, incremental change, whether it's.

K

On public transit think if we built one transit station every year for the last.

K

30 years in the city think, if we had sort of talked about how transportation.

K

And mobility are changing in the city on a gradual basis and taken balanced.

K

Responsible and responsive steps to deal with that and to make sure that we are.

K

Going to be a city that is ready for the 21st century, which is already 17 years.

K

Old, so it's not something new. I look at the cities which have been a bit faster.

K

In moving than we have been on some of these very same issues- and I asked.

K

Myself, two questions: are they better places today and they're the cities that.

K

Rank up there with us on the most livable cities in the world and has any.

K

Catastrophe be following them because of the decisions that they have made and.

K

The answer is, yes, they're, better places today, I think that you is unanimously.

K

Held across all of these cities in america and europe and canada, and no.

K

There have been no catastrophes, that'd be--that'd be fall in those cities, they.

K

They they talk about a system that works, we're talking here today about a system.

K

That works and that addresses all of the concerns, and I would say this report and.

K

The actions we will take going forward with the work of our staff and the work.

K

Of the local councillors, in conjunction with the business community and others.

K

Will address all of the issues? I was up there five times myself to visit and.

K

Talk to and listen to those businesses and I've seen their emails and their.

K

Correspondence and read there there that the substance of their.

K

Deputations and I believe that the motions made at the public works.

K

Committee, respond to every one of those in terms of us saying in good faith as a.

K

City and as a council that we're going to deal with those, I want to just.

K

Conclude and if I could just have 30 seconds, madam speaker, I want to conclude.

K

By saying this, there's been talk about how many new cyclists are using this the.

K

Fact of the matter is, why are we here today we're not here because of.

K

Anybody's dream we're here today because the reality was before there were.

K

Thousands of people using bloor street as a cycling route. There are today a few.

K

More but the still thousands 5,000 a day and the other reality that is no dream.

K

Is that there were hundreds of accidents taking place? That's what prompted this.

K

To happen was safety, and this is now something.

K

That is going to make this safer. It already has, and the reality is those.

K

Thousands of cyclists are still there and will be there and supplemented by.

K

Other numbers probably going forward, but I believe the needs and aspirations that.

K

We should be addressing are not those of a timid city they're, not those of a city.

K

Afraid of change they're, not those of a city that is absolutely wedded forever.

K

To the status quo, but it's an ambitious city, a city that is growing in.

K

Confidence that is committing to keep it keeping its people safe. That is.

K

Committed to working with business to make sure they can flourish at the same.

K

Time as we take the steps needed to make us a 21st century, a city in terms of.

K

Mobility and I am quite prepared to be held accountable for a vote, which I will.

K

Cast today in favor of this proposal, because I believe that is the direction.

K

In which this city and its people want to see us move in a responsible, balanced.

K

Incremental way, thank you, madam speaker. Thank you. Okay, okay, we're gonna, be.

A

Voting in numeric order, okay, our first motion is motion. Number.

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One, if we can put it on the screen by counsel robinson.

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Recorded vote councillor davis, please, council, cressy.

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Councillor palacio please how's chris aunty, please and counter my.

J

Havoc, please calcium, a havoc. Maybe we have your vote. Please.

C

C

Motion carries 23 to 19 okay motion to we've got with motion three by.

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Councillor mammal et recorded vote yeah, it's you have it here.

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Counts early, please, cancer, descent, deputy mayor councillor, franco, jakka's,.

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Cancer, colon cancer birds id please.

C

The motion does not carry the buddha's five 237 motion for my counselor.

A

Campbell accorded vote counts or prude, so please counselor leave councillor.

D

Perks- cancer, carmichael grubb, please, cows, are burnside, please counselor.

C

Burnside, may we have your vote please. The motion does not carry. The vote is 18.

C

To 24 motion number five by councillor holliday accorded vote.

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Cancer care gianna's, please counselor fletcher, please.

C

The motion does not carry. The vote is 11 to 31 item as.

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Amended recorded vote.

C

The item is amended, carries thirty five to seven.

Q

Okay, what's going on no, but I think we, I think that we might have to debate it.

A

We don't want, we don't want to ask for many more studies. Do we.

A

Okay, who's moving at counsel, grimes, kasich, counselor kara wants to move that.

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Motion on favor carried, it's not recorded, okay. So let's, let's vote on the.

A

Item as amended, let's try it again recorded vote counter palacio, please and.

C

Counter cole, please cancer care gianna's, please and make sure you don't speed desert. Thank you.

C

The item is amended, carries 36 to six all went up.

B

Yes, just a moment: okay, that's it right. The votes been taken. Counselor ma'am.

A

Levy a point of order management, you've already spoken to you about a bit of an.

Q

Emergency at home, I have a family member, that's in the hospital, and I do need to.

Q

Leave and in the meantime, I have this emergency motion that I think needs to.

Q

Be dealt with at this meeting, I look to you for your guidance and staff in terms.

Q

Of when to deal with it, given the fact that the omb hearing was delayed until.

Q

Tomorrow, until the oklahoma county, ma'am lady, why don't you just move it now.

A

Almost almost mm 34 25, it was put on your desk.

A

It's an only be hearing for 5060, more morris street and it's time yeah. It's.

A

Time-Sensitive, because the hearing is tomorrow recorded vote.

C

Now survey havoc counselor, fillion, counselor, burnside, counselor, fletcher.

C

Please counselor prude, so counselor care gianna's. Please counselor want em.

C

Announcer fillion, may we have your vote please.

C

We have to sit your deaths into the.

C

Votes taken, the item carries 37 to thank you. I'm.

A

Gonna go back to the top of the agenda. Page three deferred items, pg 21.6, darren,.

A

Wilson, regeneration area study counts. Dr. mayer, you held the item down to have.

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Questions to staff, the report isn't ready, yet they haven't submitted the.

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Reports not submitted okay, all right, so our next item, sty tim, is on page 3, which.

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Is the ei ey twenty three? Seventy three? Twenty five? Twenty two forty two keele.

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Street we're also dealing with the etobicoke york item, which is twenty five.

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Forty at the same time, so do we have any questions.

A

Who does frank, wants a deferred? Okay, I'm alright, so counselor digiorgio.

A

Does anybody have any questions on it? Counselor do giorgo do no. I do not.

S

There's a report I'm waiting for alright lady here tomorrow.

S

There is a report I'm waiting for him plus the matter is before community.

S

Council community kelps has dealt with it yet. The report is here we're dealing.

A

With it now, what report is here the supplementary report on your eyes, I.

S

Haven't seen the supplementary report? I'm sorry, it was all deal with in the.

S

Morning, notwithstanding the supplementary report, this matter is.

S

Before community council we're waiting a report at community council to be.

S

Brought forward to council, so I can't really deal with it until the.

S

Recommendations come forward to council from community caster digiorgio the.

A

Supplementary report was circulated yesterday, we're at the item now we're.

A

Dealing with your item now we have supplemental report is not the report on.

S

The registration of the kondal, it is at community council that report will come.

S

Forward to council, I'm not sure when, but it will come forward, two counts here. We.

A

Have to copy I just a question of staff. Okay, then I asked two questions to staff.

S

Is the is the report that I'm waiting for on the recommendation of draft.

S

Through a draft approval for condominium registration before us right here at.

S

This council meeting is the final report that you're waiting for through the.

C

Speaker there are two: there are two matters. There's the condominium.

C

Registration report drop plan of condominium approval.

O

That is tracking through community council this matter, this matter in front.

O

Of council is the other deferred matter and you have a supplementary report in.

O

Front of you on the deferred matter and what I'm saying closes off the.

O

Discussion on the line of inquiry that that had been advanced previously, what.

S

I'm saying is the reason these items have been deferred is because I'm.

S

Awaiting for the report going through a community council on draft plan of.

S

Approval condominium, then I can make a motion with respect to these items. Once.

S

I see that final report, otherwise I can't make any motions: okay,.

A

The supplement report is on the new is the on the new item. I haven't seen the.

S

Supplementary, it's right in front of you cal, sir.

A

I don't have it well, then, look at your desk and read it. I don't have it here. Oh.

A

But this is I'm sorry bub this and it's been going on for months.

S

Yeah, I just hold it down, then I'll. Look for the report and the report is.

S

Irrelevant in terms of emotions, I'm intended to make thing. No, it's it's your.

A

Account secure its karen we're all right. Let's go to the next item: executive.

A

Committee, page 3e, x, 28.2 camp part yeah. What is this, thursday morning all right.

A

Okay, so we'll go to the next item: page 3e, x20, 28.5, counselor fletcher, you held.

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The item down trying to please transformation, transformational task.

A

Force you held it down. Yes, there are some questions to anchor so that you.

A

Want to ask questions all right: okay, hold on. Let me put your time on hold for.

A

A minute are the staff here.

A

Okay, councillor fletcher the staffer here yeah. I know I'm waiting for you to.

A

Go to your desk and ask the question: I'm not up. First for questions you held the.

J

Item down, I have to ask questions first. Yes, I see. Thank you, oh well, then I.

J

Wanted to know about the school, who am I asking? Where are they they're behind you.

J

Go read yeah, I'm sorry about that. Thank.

J

You I'm just asking about the school crossing guard program, which is a very important program, and what what you're.

J

Thinking is that we're on how to deal with that.

J

And who's gonna answer it. I don't know this is the. I believe we're.

J

On the toronto police, transformational task force, report and impacts on city.

J

Division and the staff are behind you. Well, I can't, unfortunately, I can do many.

J

Things, but I don't have okay and you can the staff answer the question please, but.

A

He has to they're behind you, it turns them answer. Transportation staff will be.

A

Answering that question who's answering the question through you.

P

Madam speaker, the school crossing guard program will is proposed through this.

P

Report to come to transportation services to commence in 2019 with a.

P

Transition period in 2018, where we will work with the toronto police department.

P

To address some issues related to backfilling of subs, of crossing guards.

P

So that we can ensure that gets covered and that police can work on the the.

P

Components that they have in their in their work program, moving forward that.

P

Doesn't include the crossing guards and we've been working with them over the.

P

Past number of months to move this program forward, we will be using.

P

Contracted services to deliver the crossing guard program in 2019 and so.

P

We're in the process of working through all the component piece.

P

Of what that would look like, so what's the current cost of that program.

A

I'll put your time on hold thanks. That was.

J

Just a bit confusing at the beginning, speak yeah. I know my apologies. I thought.

J

It was the staff I I know you did through you, madam speaker, the the amount.

P

For the service is eight point: eight million dollars eight point: eight.

J

Million and that is delivered through the toronto police and you're, going to.

J

Contract that out through yes, so the people that are currently crossing.

J

Guards will they be taken into that program through you, madam speaker, they.

P

Will be certainly given an opportunity to to continue their service under a.

P

Contractor and the transportation as the lead, how will you guarantee that, through.

P

You, madam speaker, we are putting together an rfp right now to work with.

P

The contractor- and we can include language about that in the rfp. Sorry, if.

A

I can put everybody on hold for a minute counts to fraga darkus, mckevitt dt. ah No.

A

Shiner croissant e: please can you take your seats.

A

Everyone's there talking and it's hard to hear, okay, sorry through you, madam.

P

Speaker, another piece of that prior to the rfp. We actually did a request for.

P

Information to determine if there were contractors who were interested in this.

P

Program- and we did get some positive responses there, as well as some positive.

P

Response to the fact that they would be interested in contracting with those existing crossing guards going forward. Okay, thank you very much.

J

Now, as far as property is concerned, can somebody please tell me the impact all.

J

Of the property that technically is under the jurisdiction of the tps will.

J

Be coming under the new real estate portfolio is that the case.

J

Maybe that's the behind me. People, that's correct. Counselor. Sorry,.

L

Correct so that's correct: how how big is your portfolio in terms of the school.

L

Crossing guard program, so in terms of the property, there is not a lot of.

L

Property involved there, these are that we've got some lifeguard stations on the.

L

Lake but other than that, there's really not a lot of assets that are gonna, be.

L

Moving over no I'm just talking about your property in general that you.

J

Consider your property, so is that going to be city, property or under the real.

J

Estate division, or is that going to be property under tps? The current, both the.

L

Lifeguard and the school crossing guard program, there isn't a lot of property.

L

Involved in that, I'm not talking about in general, all of your property, not just.

J

Lifeguards in school, they are all city-owned properties and they're.

J

Considered to be part of the portfolio for the real estate new real estate,.

L

Absolutely correct and they'll be transferred over there in.

J

Some way, shape or form if, if there's, if we there's redundant property, certainly.

L

They'll be transferred back to the city to do as the city sees fit. Otherwise we.

L

Hold on to those properties that we need, do you have a division that manages the.

J

Technical pieces of your property, we have a division that that does some of.

L

The facilities, but all of our real estate needs are provided by city, real.

L

Estate, so that if all the real estate needs would be determined through the.

J

City, ok, fine and how many divisions will be collapsed in this transformation and.

J

Assisted by city real estate, right now, we're still going through the review, but.

C

It looks like we're probably moving towards 9 or 10 districts and currently.

J

There are 17 divisions, 7 teams that doesn't mean that we'll be going from 17.

L

To 10 we'll be moving from 17 divisions to 10 districts, some of those districts.

L

Will have neighborhood divisions so in terms of the actual properties that.

L

Becomes redundant we're not there yet in terms of actually making that determination. Thank you. Thank you counts their davis questions, I'm just.

D

Sorry, thank you speaker. So if I understand you are going to be issuing.

D

An rfp transportation services that correct through you, yes and is that rfp.

D

Looking at options are looking specifically at a contracted out model.

P

Do you contract it out model and who's decided? The contracted out model is the.

D

Model we want through you, madam speaker, we've had some conversations both with.

P

Staff and weather about whether we could given the scope of the service about.

P

Whether we could actually accomplish that task in-house, so where was that.

D

Discussion did we have any any opportunity to give input on whether or.

D

Not we were going to contract out crossing guards. Do you, madam speaker, I.

P

Think that this is also we have not let the rfp yet so, there's an opportunity to.

P

Have that conversation now, okay, I want to see, understand the pros and cons the.

D

Assessment that was taken the comparison of the hours, the comparison of the rates.

D

Of pay how much, how much are they being paid now at police? They range from about.

L

13 to 13 75 an hour: aren't there any other job classes at the city of toronto.

D

That make $13 an hour hr. Are there any jobs that make $13 an hour? Is there.

D

Anyone here who could maybe answer that have we projected what they're likely to.

D

Cost when they're covered by the pay equity, internal pay, equity at the city.

D

Or what they've cost if they were contracted out? Has anyone done any of.

D

That assessment, no, so how is it you say it's gonna cost an.

D

Additional 1.5 7 4 million to deliver the program through you, madam chair.

Q

Through the initial rfi that the police issued, we received comments from four.

Q

Perspective vendors, they provided estimates and ranges and that's what the.

Q

Ranges came up with what did we get from potential vendors? I couldn't hear sorry.

D

You do an rfp, there was an hour expression of interest, it wasn't an rfp.

Q

So what we were doing is seeing if there was interest in the marketplace and what.

Q

We heard back, but there is interest and that the price, depending on the vendor.

Q

That was the estimator, so where is that information in this report? The report.

Q

Speaks to the estimated cost delivered through an rfp process, the 1.5 7 million.

Q

That's the additional cost right so we're proposing to put on an rfp when.

D

We've already estimated it's going to cost us an additional 1.5 7, 4 million.

D

And we don't have any of the information that shows us what options were.

D

Considered I want to ask about lifeguards and I want to ask the same.

D

Questions about lifeguards, what is the proposed? I presume that the proposal is.

D

To have lifeguards, who are right now, marine lifeguards or work with the.

D

Marine unit of toronto police, the proposal is for them to come in to pf n.

D

R is that correct through the speaker, that's correct, and what do we have the.

D

Differences in rates of pay and what the cost will be. We don't have the specific.

C

Differences in rates of pay will be undertaking a review of the lifeguard.

C

Job description and going through the appropriate review with payroll to come.

C

Up with the appropriate salary, but it will be within the range of our.

C

Lifeguard ranges that we currently have, so we have already decided this that.

D

They would come over. Is that correct through the speaker? That's the.

C

Recommendation of this report, it was, it was recommended as part of the.

D

Task force, but this is the first decision point we have on this. That's.

D

Correct: okay, my understanding cuz, my son was a.

D

Beach, lifeguard, that this is a very different.

D

Lifeguarding job, how is it that we're going to save any money if we actually.

D

Evaluate the rates of that job and they're paid more than our current.

D

Lifeguards at the city, so through the speaker, the report illustrates that the.

C

Current police services budget for the lifeguards is one point four one: five.

C

Million dollars and that under our operation, our estimate is that it will.

C

Be 1.7 million dollars, so it's a two hundred and eighty four thousand dollar.

C

Difference in cost okay, so another situation where we will have increased.

D

Costs, what are the benefits of having them transferred? Because I know when my.

D

Son was working there. The benefits of having them with the police is because.

D

They worked with the marine unit, they went out on both how so davis that's.

D

Your last query were integrated with the water counselor davis yeah through the.

C

Speaker, we currently have a lifeguard service and we can integrate that.

C

Lifeguard service into our existing service level provision counts are hard.

A

Questions. Thank you speaker. I'll, follow up on councilor davis's questions.

C

Because they're similar to mine with respect to a lifeguard program, the.

C

Lifeguard program for open water is very different than the lifeguard program in.

C

Pools and requires a complete, different set of skills. Do you feel confident that.

N

You can incorporate that into your existing complement with the additional.

C

Training the different training and that the service will be as good as it is.

C

Today, are you confident that so true the speaker, we have been working with the.

C

Toronto, police services and with the life saving society around the.

C

Appropriate training modules for lifeguards to be able to provide the.

C

Service as a waterfront service, so I'm confident that with that training that.

D

Will be delivered and with the appropriate job specification.

C

We'll be able to deliver a safe, reliable service on the waterfront and will you.

N

Still be doing the near shore recovery so when people are caught outside of the.

N

Swimming areas and have to be recovered in those circumstances, will you continue.

N

Doing what the beach lifeguards are doing today, so through the speaker, we.

C

Still, we will be providing that service, but in cooperation with the toronto.

C

Police marine unit, so your service will be similar to what is provided today as.

C

I understand the report an additional annual cost estimated today of about two.

C

Hundred eighty four thousand dollars for a similar service, the speaker- that's.

C

Correct two hundred eighty four thousand dollars. Thank you. Thank you.

A

Now it's your wong-tam question back to the media. I'll come back to you. Thank.

R

You very much, madam speaker. I just want to have a fuller.

R

Understanding of the overall impacts and- and so maybe I'll start off with this.

R

Question because the question regarding that the four potential vendors are.

R

Responding to the expression of of interests will that bring us to a better.

R

Service and a more equitable way of service delivery for you, madam chair.

Q

It's our expectation that the service will increase today, the toronto police.

Q

When there is an absence crossing guard, they're expected to use their own police.

Q

Services forces which is difficult depending on what they're doing at the.

Q

Time so by having a contracted services model, there will be expectations that.

Q

The contractor will have redundant operations so that the services will be.

Q

Maintained so they'll be replicating the exact same service that the tps provides.

R

Today, yeah exactly they'll be providing the crossing guard service as it is.

Q

Today, okay and and staff are now supportive of this recommendation. This.

R

Is effectively the request from tps to to have a sort of absorb this new.

R

Additional service requirement: yes, as part of the vision, zero plan, our road.

Q

Safety plan, vulnerable users of school aged children.

Q

With the modernization of crossing guards looking to best practices across.

Q

The province, we believe that we can improve safety, okay,.

R

So so that's that's good to know that there's another policy time then, can you.

R

Explain to me any additional costs impacts, because what I'm, what I'm.

R

Reading on page 15 is that there will be an additional cost impact to the city.

R

Including indirect management costs that cannot be transferred by that from the.

R

Tps that will be phased in over two years.

R

However, not completely recaptured at the city, so yes, so through the contracted.

Q

Out model, we will need to increase our indirect costs with regards to our.

Q

Staffing component within transportation services, we do expect the minimum wage.

Q

Right regulations that have an impact on that as well, so then, is that what you.

R

Mean in terms of some resources and hand, enhancements are expected as a result of.

R

Some of these changes that's correct, so we will need staff to manage the.

Q

Contract going forward, okay, so essentially the city will have to.

R

Increase its staffing levels from the managerial perspective supervisory role,.

R

Which will have a budget impact? Yes, so within us the amount of shared.

Q

Transportation services will in essence create a school crossing guarding unit.

Q

To manage the program and that's not gonna, be any cost. That's going to be.

R

Carried over from tps, that's that's new! That's new operating dollars that the.

R

City will have to come up with in order for us to absorb this. This new service.

R

Web request, it's almost like an effectively a download, so it's part of.

Q

Our 2018-19 operating budget, we will put submissions.

Q

We'll be including those costs and then what happens after 2002 say 2021. What.

R

Happens then sorry, I'm not sure you're saying that that's gonna be over two.

R

Years, 19 and 20. What happens in 2021 is that so once we put our sorry councilors.

Q

When we submit our budget for our operating budget, those budget requests.

Q

Will be in our operating budget going forward.

R

And and so that's so, we can expect the same type of increased referrals and.

R

Service requests in other divisions, such as as as the police, are moving to sort.

R

Of core policing services such as 3-1-1 toronto, municipal municipal licensing,.

R

And standard transportation, services, economic development and cultural types.

R

Of services like we're gonna, be asked to do a lot more as a city. Is that correct.

C

This is the first review of these two items and we are reviewing some other.

C

Items that may affect divisions that have come out of the task force and.

C

We've report further on those the the one for three one: one: we're really looking at a risk assessment of with what would fall within our purview and.

R

What would fall within the police, and so so? I think what I would want to what I.

R

What I want to really know is that we can't probably anticipate a lot more.

R

There's gonna be a transfer of services, and those services are gonna now be.

R

Asked to be delivered by the city, I just wanted to know in terms of the.

R

Additional resource enhancement, so this is money new money that we will need in.

R

Order for us to now deliver this new expected level service. Where is that.

R

Coming from, there were a number of recommendations out of the taskforce.

C

There are a few of those that really that tie directly to city divisions.

J

Another one would be looking at the noise complaints, so we brought these.

C

Ones forward now, because they would have the most impact we don't see most of the.

R

Other recommendations having this level of impact, and they these are basically.

R

The most relatable to a council, okay, thank you.

A

That's your time well recess for a dinner break, but could come back at 6:30.

A

At 6:30 well actually 6:35, because it's five.

A

After sick, not on their system, no.