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City Council, meeting 32, October 3, 2017 - Part 3 of 3 - Evening Session
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11865
Part 1 - Morning Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGCZn0FdhMA#t=10m46s
Part 2 - Afternoon Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nH6aHyolRI#t=5m34s
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Speaker
mic
d'andrea
has
been
waiting
up
all
day.
It's
on
page
7,
PW,
23.3
and
I
will
release
it
with
the
assurance
of
mr.
D'andrea
that
the
amendment
does
not
mean
we
will
be
naming
developments
our
new
streets
after
developers
and
after
his
assurance
that
our
policy
of
giving
a
review
of
historical
culture
of
social
significance
for
the
names
will
continue
and
on
that.
A
I
E
J
G
G
A
G
K
A
I
D
J
I'll
move
the
Supplemental
recommendation
with
thanks
to
our
parks,
general
manager,
the
mayor's
staff,
the
local
councillor
and
the
chair
of
Exhibition
Place
by
bringing
everyone
together,
Janie
managed
to
bring
everyone
to
the
table
and
I
think
to
a
place
where
we
can
all
vote
in
favor.
Thank
you.
J
B
D
A
J
J
It's
it's
sort
of
news
to
me
that
this
was
all
allowable
but
I,
think
in
in
previous
elections.
I,
don't
think
it
was
I
think
by
it
not
being
recognized
as
allowable
I,
think
that
may
have
been
somewhat
of
a
deterrent
in
most
instances,
but
now
by
institutionalizing,
this
third
party,
this
dark
money.
This
third
party
advertising
this
dark
money.
J
What
we're
essentially
doing
is
opening
up
the
door
to
to
developers
to
special
interests,
to
individuals
to
friend
a
friendly,
wealthy,
wealthy
friends
of
other
candidates
and
giving
them
an
opportunity
to
covertly
get
involved
in
the
out.
The
Democratic
outcome
of
who
gets
sent
to
this
chamber
and
well
I
would
wholeheartedly
endorse
more
people
becoming
more
involved
in
the
process
going
and
knocking
on
doors
and
in
an
effort
to
engage
the
community
on
on
decisions
that
are
being
made
in
their
neighborhood.
I
Thank
You
Speaker
I
have
a
motion
that
City
Council
direct
the
city
clerk
to
inform
the
province.
The
City
Council
desires
a
spending
limits
for
third-party
advertisers
not
to
exceed
candidates.
Spending
limits,
be
corporate
and
union
donations
to
third-party
advertisers,
not
be
permitted
and
see,
allow
the
city
to
develop
tools
to
enhance
the
provision
that
candidates
not
direct
or
otherwise
cooperate
with
third-party
advertisers.
I
We've
already
sent
the
the
motion
that
councillor
Pasternak
is
moving
and
I'll
be
delighted
to
support
it
again.
I'm
profoundly
concerned
that
some
some
people
seem
to
be
arguing
that
this
is
a
freedom
of
speech
issue.
Well,
maybe
it
is
maybe
it
is,
but
we
don't
do
freedom
of
speech
the
same
way
here
as
they
do
in
the
United
States,
where
their
freedom
of
speech
provisions
allow
multi-billion
dollars
to
be
raised
through
third
party
political
action
committees
and
swamp
swamp.
I
The
political
conversation
in
that
country,
if
there's
a
swamp
to
be
drained
down
there,
its
election
spending
and
I
don't
want
Canadian
elections,
particularly
Toronto
elections,
to
start
to
go
in
that
direction.
We
have
constraints
on
speech
in
this
country.
We
set
up
rules
for
where
and
when
you're
allowed
to
say
certain
things.
I
We
all
know
this
as
election
candidates,
we
have
a
spending
limit
assigned
by
law
and
a
number
of
other
constraints
on
how
we
can
communicate
with
people
when
we're
trying
to
elicit
their
support
when
we're
running
for
office,
and
that
is
fair
and
good
and
I'm
actually
quite
proud
of
the
city
of
Toronto's
history.
On
this,
our
position
on
corporate
munion
donations
actually
is
becoming
the
norm
across
the
country,
and
that
is
a
specific
constraint.
I
We
believed
in
in
the
role
of
money
in
politics
to
make
sure
that
its
voters,
citizens,
who
are
able
to
decide
how
government
is
without
the
interference
of
big
money.
Now
our
staff
have
made
it
very
clear
that,
although
we
communicated
in
writing-
and
we
sent
the
able
member
of
councilor
D
Giano
to
go
down
and
share
our
message,
it
fell
on
deaf
ears.
I
What
I'm
trying
to
do
with
this
motion
is
given
the
things
we
heard
from
staff
that
the
province
has
not
yet
written
the
regulations
we
have
to
get
in
there
and
continue
pitching.
We
have
to
say:
okay,
we
know
you're
you're,
you
know
hell-bent
for
leather
to
do
this,
but
can
you
at
least
listen
to
some
of
our
experience
as
the
largest
city
in
the
country
running
successful
elections
on
how
to
put
some
constraints
around
it?
So
money
doesn't
become
the
most
important
factor
in
how
we
choose
our
government.
I
I
Some
of
you
might
recall,
I
had
thoughts
about
the
re-election
of
the
sitting
government
in
1990.
That's
all
fine!
That's
good!
It's
good
that
people
are
able
to
do
this,
but
there's
an
important
distinction
between
a
community
organization
or
an
individual,
encouraging
people
to
think
about
the
environment
when
they
vote
or
to
think
about
traffic
when
they
vote
or
whatever
it
is.
People
are
concerned
about,
and
we
should
be
making
allowances
for
that,
but
that
doesn't
mean
allowing
big
money
to
buy
elections.
I
I
Finally,
I
want
to
say,
though,
I
still
have
deep
concerns
with
the
legislation.
Even
if
they
listen
to
this
advice.
I
wish
we
had
the
regulations
in
our
hands,
because,
if
the
right,
if
they
are
what
I
suspect
they
will
be
I,
think
the
City
of
Toronto
should
be
prepared
to
go
to
court
to
fight
for
our
right,
as
we
did
with
pests
as
pesticide
by
law,
to
go
further
than
what
the
federal
or
provincial
government
does.
I
We
have
provisions
in
law
and
Supreme
Court
decisions
that
say
we
can
do
that
as
long
as
we
don't
double
bind
people
so
I'm,
hoping
that
some
member
of
Council
I
didn't
have
time
to
write.
The
motion
asks
a
the
clerk's
office
to
bring
us
whatever
information
they
can
when
the
regulations
are
promulgated.
We
may
still
want
to
do
something
or
failing
having
enough
time
to
do
that.
I
G
G
Part
be
corporate
a
union
in
donations
to
third
party
Kaiser's,
oh,
not
be
not
be
permitted.
That's
that's!
Correct,
yes,
and
spending
limits
on
part
a
an
advertiser's
not
exceed
candidates,
baiting
limits,
but
candidates
spending
limits
are
thirty,
four
thousand
five
hundred
something
like
what
defect.
So
that's
so
that's
still
a
considerable
amount
of
money
that
any
sink
so
that
would
allow
any
single
third-party
advertiser
to
spend
thirty
four
thirty.
Whatever
the
amount
is
yes,.
I
Iii
thought
about
saying:
maybe
limiting
it
to
half
or
a
quarter,
but
frankly,
I
can't
on
the
as
I
was
developing.
This
motion
I
couldn't
think
of
a
specific
number
that
would
that
I
could
devise
a
policy
REIT
rationale
for
I.
Do
think
that,
though,
that
we
should
be
very
clear
that
you
can't
go
out
and
spend
more
than
the
candidate
that
much
at
a
minimum
I
think
there's
a
good
policy
reason
for
if
you
have
a
different
suggestion,
I'd
be
happy
to
entertain
it.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
Peter.
L
Just
quick
question
about
the
motion:
do
you
think
this
this
gives
staff
does
give
the
it
tells
them
what
our
concerns
are
and
to
take
them
forward?
Does
it
give
them
enough
leeway
that
they
can
either
negotiate
a
change
in
the
regs?
Does
it
go
that
added
step
that
if
the
if
the
province
wanted
to
say
there
may
be
some
way,
we
can
do
this
in
a
City
of
Toronto
act
review?
Do
you
think
you've,
given
them
the
leeway
to
keep
going
with
this
beyond?
Just
a
first
ask:
yes,.
I
I
believe
that
to
be
the
case
in
I
should
I
should
note
that
I
worked
directly
with
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
solicitor
in
drafting
this
language
and
also
I'm,
mindful
that
we
have
councillor
Pasternak's
motion
and
the
motions
that
I
moved
during
the
last
debate,
which
said
that
you
know
we'd
rather
be
able
to
opt
out
and
further
that
we
be
allowed
to
divide,
develop
regulations
in
addition
to
whatever
the
province
does.
So.
M
I
M
I
I
I
What
I
mean
by
dark
money
is
what
we
observe
in
elections
to
the
south
of
us,
which
is
that
people
often
enormous
ly,
wealthy
people
or
people
with
giant
corporations
funnel
money
through
through
blinds
and
organizations
and
third
and
fourth
and
fifth
parties
that
suddenly
shows
up
in
some
political
action
committee,
allowing
some
point
of
view
to
dominate
the
conversation
and
swamp.
What
ordinary
voters
care
about?
That's
what
dark
money
is
it's
a
way
of
it's
a
way
of
altering
the
politics
in
certainly
in
America
and
I'm,
terrified
of
it
happening
here
so.
M
I
I
I
M
So
I
appreciate
that
all
of
these
campaigns
that
will
be
run
in
every
one
across
the
city
and
in
wards
should
have
some
accountability.
They
haven't
in
the
past
and
you
may
get
signs
as
I
said
earlier.
The
anybody
but
Burnside
sign
they
give
so-and-so
the
pink
slip.
We
all
got
those
last
time
and
they're
all
on
it
run
off
on
a
Xerox
machine.
M
They're
all
printed
on
a
machine
they're
on
pink
paper
or
something
they're,
not
very
sophisticated
I'm,
assuming
that
this
will
raise
up
this
time
and
be
very
sophisticated
and
that
there
will
be
a
window
now
to
really
destabilize
things
and
not
be
able
to
get
to
the
root
to
get
these
folks.
So
in
miss
Cooke,
said
well.
If
those
signs
are
illegal,
they'll
be
gone,
they'll
be
gone.
If
those
are
really
ghosts
that
are
behind
those
organizations,
those
signs
would
have
to
come
down.
I
think
we
want
a
fair
and
democratic
process.
M
We
want
accountability,
we
don't
want
a
Trump
style
election.
We
don't
want
fake
news
and
we
don't
want
fake
organizations
that
are
running
campaigns
throughout
the
city,
so
I
believe
we
probably
will
need
some
extra
enforcement
and
we
probably
will
need
some
extra
staff
in
the
elections
office,
because
this
is
a
very
huge
change
in
our
election
process,
not
only
in
this
situation,
but
in
all
of
the
timing,
in
how
long
it's
going
to
be
from
one
nomination
day
closes.
M
There's
it's
not
like
a
normal
election
anymore,
where
a
nomination
day
closes
and
you've
got
six
or
seven
weeks
until
the
election.
I'm.
Just
going
to
remind
you
a
number
of
years
ago
that
we
changed
the
election
day,
it
used
to
be
the
second
week
in
November.
It
got
changed
into
October
to
be
a
little
tighter
with
the
day
that
we
closed
our
nominations
and
it
wasn't
a
2-month
campaign.
People
felt
that
was
just
too
long
and
too
grueling.
So
it
was
more
like
a
regular
provincial
campaign
or
federal
campaign.
M
While
there
it
gets
dropped
and
it's
five
weeks.
It's
six
weeks
now
we're
going
back
to
an
excruciating
lis
long
campaign
from
the
July
to
October
and
I
certainly
worry
about
it.
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
provincial
government
in
in
considering
these
things
really
took
the
nature
of
municipal
elections
into
account.
I,
don't
think
they
did
and
councillor
Hart
is
nodding
his
head
that
why
we
are
now
going
to
be
subject
to
a
three-month
election
campaign
when
previously
we'd
had
a
six-week
election
campaign.
M
I,
don't
understand
that
I
just
don't
get
it,
except
that
I
I
simply
don't
get
it
so
I'm
concerned
about
the
amount
of
time,
effort
and
possible
destructiveness
and
want
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
accountable.
It's
fair,
it's
democratic
and
we
have
enough
staff
on
the
ground
to
monitor
and
make
sure
that
those
goals
of
our
election
are
met.
G
L
All
sets
of
regulations
can
can
be
refreshed
up
to
and
including
our
own
City
of
Toronto
app
and
elections
can
be
unique
depending
on
the
structure
all
the
way
to
and
including
at-large
councillors
as
they
have
in
in
Markham.
I
daresay
it's
it's
any
any
municipality
unknown
to
us
or
known
to
us
anywhere
in
Ontario,
could
be
the
origins
of
this
third-party
provision.
L
Finding
its
way
to
the
municipal
election
act
in
Toronto
I
think
most
people
have
probably
had
an
experience
similar
to
mine,
and
that
is
that
residents
by
and
large
want
the
most
local
kinds
of
representation
they
can
get.
If
you
don't
want
at-large
councillors,
they
don't
want
a
party
system
in
the
council
chamber.
They
want
on-the-ground
grassroots
types
of
organization
in
each
bailiwick
style
Ward.
L
This
regulation
that
we're
about
to
receive
in
this
radical
change
to
election
practices
in
the
city
is
tantamount
to
a
complete
reversal
of
that.
This
brings
big
politics
to
a
political
scene.
The
residents
have
told
us
time
and
time
again,
every
opportunity
they've
had
since
amalgamation,
to
tell
us
that,
despite
the
size
of
our
city,
that
we
might
be
three
million
strong
soon,
they
would
still
prefer
to
have
local
representation,
something
meaningful
and
on
the
ground
to
them.
L
And
suddenly
a
third
party
who
could
come
from
any
office
building
in
the
central
business
district
is
suddenly
influencing
an
election
in
whatever
corner
of
the
city
limits
we
deem
necessary.
So
I
rise
in
support
of
councilor
perks
motion
because
it
it
allows
our
staff
to
have
whatever
conversations
between
now
and
the
regulation
the
forms
being
created
to
make
very
clear
how
deep
our
concerns
are
and
how
very
how
very
much
this
will
change
the
nature
of
that
local
ward
based
election
in
our
city.
L
If
this
were,
if
this
were
being
attached,
only
to
the
mayoral
tea,
we
might
say:
well,
it's
a
poor
meritorious
us
term
that,
however,
he
likes,
but
it's
actually
happening
in
each
ward
and
that
really
flies
in
the
face
of
what
we
know
is
the
average
residents
intention
for
those
local
races.
That's
our
reason,
much
more
for
me
than
self-interest
I
can
afford
not
to
be
self-interested
at
this
particular
point
for
myself
personally,
it's
the
fact
that
that
is
this
is
so
opposite
of
our
residents
intentions.
L
N
N
Fillion
just
moved
my
apologies,
madam
Speaker
I
wasn't
I
thought
I
was
too
away.
I'll
just
be
very
brief.
I
made
all
my
comments
and
my
I
put
forward
my
questions
at
executive
I.
Don't
want
to
be
particularly
redundant
but
I'm
very
concerned
about
this
I'm.
Definitely
sporting
councillor
Pasternak's
motion,
which
we
worked
on
together
at
executive.
N
Unfortunately,
it
failed
there,
but
I
just
think
this
is
not
a
good
way
forward.
I
think
it's
formalizing
a
bad
idea
and
I,
don't
think
it's
levels,
the
playing
field.
I,
don't
think
it's
what
elections
are
really
about
democracy
at
the
local
level,
so
I'm
deeply
concerned
about
this,
so
I
hope
people
will
support
councilor
Pasternak's
motion
to
opt
out
I,
don't
care
who
it
is
whether
it's
unions
corporations
real
estate
agents
that
don't
like
heritage
designation,
any
type
of
community
organization.
Nobody
should
be
influencing
it.
N
An
outcome
of
an
election
and
councillors
should
not
be
beholden
to
any
group
when
they're
sitting
around
this
horseshoe
that
we're
all
very
honored
to
be
part
of
so
I
think
this
just
paves
the
way
to
more
of
that
which
deeply
concerns
me,
because
I
already
have
concerns
about
this.
So
I
think
I'm
very
hopeful
that
we
can
today
work
together
to
to
send
a
strong
message
to
the
province
that
this
we
don't
want
to
go
down
this
road.
F
Thank
you.
First
teeny
tiny
amendment
to
councilor
perks,
part
a
which
I
think
he's
fine,
with
spending
limits
for
third-party
advertisers
not
to
exceed
10
cents
per
elector
and
I
have
another
amendment
that
once
regulations
concerning
third-party
advertising
are
received
from
the
province.
City
council
requests
a
city,
solicitor
and
consultation
with
the
city
clerk
to
report
to
the
executive
committee.
F
And
we
have
you
know
we
did
a
really
good
job
of
of
reforming
things
here
and
and
other
municipalities
adopted
our
lead
and
the
province
is
just
striking
that
out,
Council
rosemary
said
it
well,
corporations
are
back
in
the
game
and
and
what
corporations
might
we
have
will
have
the
same
corporations
that
used
to
make
the
donations,
which
were
developers,
land
speculators,
paving
companies
sign
companies
contracting
companies
who
do
business
with
the
city?
That's
what
we
used
to
get.
F
If
you
can
get
your
hands
on
any
old,
you
know
financing
reports
from
elections
going
back
a
few.
That's
so
you'll
see
donated
heavily
to
certain
candidates,
who
would
just
coincidentally
I'm
sure,
take
those
companies
positions
on
things
and,
what's
worse
than
they've
made
it
worse
than
it
was
and
would
have
been
better
to
just
say,
corporations
couldn't
donate,
because
now
their
donations
will
not
count
as
part
of
the
candidate
spending
limit,
so
the
candidate
can
spend
up
to
the
max,
and
then
there
could
be.
F
You
know
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
other
money
which
will
be
you
know
and
I'm
sure
they'll
come
up
with
names
like
the
you
know
that
sound
all
friendly
and-
and
that
will
be
intervening
in
the
election-
to
support
their
own
private
interest,
certainly
not
in
the
public
interest
the
if
they
did
it
with
the
amount
that
I
amended
councilor
purchases
motion.
You
know
at
that
it
might
sort
of
solved
the
problem.
I.
Don't
think
anybody
intended
that
a
that
at
some
local
group
that
wanted
to
take
a
certain
position.
F
Couldn't
you
know
print
up
some
flyers
and
go
around
and
stick
them
in
people's
mailboxes?
You
know
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
that,
but
it's
the
it's
the
big
money,
it's
a
twelve
hundred
dollars
from
corporations
and
unions,
but
it's
the
corporations
that
in
the
past
really
got
most
heavily
involved
in
most
Ward's
I
mean
that's,
what's
really
going
to
tilt
an
election
speaking
from
personal
experience,
there
was
about
30
or
40
thousand
dollars
of
dark
money
in
the
ward
23
election
last
time
around,
but
it
was.
F
It
was
producing
all
these
really
creepy
things
that
went
around
to
people's
doors
and
people
kind
of
saw
them
for
what
they
were.
They
you
know
it
didn't
say
and
that
they
came
from
anybody.
They
were
just.
They
were
just
odd
and
dark
and
creepy
and
frankly
got
me.
They
got
me
a
lot
more
campaign
workers
when
they
arrived
in
people's
doors.
So
you
know
I
would
like
to
get
rid
of
that
entirely,
but
it
it
was
not.
That
was
not
nearly
as
bad
as
what
this
will
lead
to.
F
F
D
A
I
Is
this
is
like
a
highlight
of
my
term
my
final
opportunity
to
ask
the
chief
financial
officer
questions
about
the
operating
variance
first
I
note
that
there
is
14
million,
or
so
you
know,
I
don't
have
my
document
in
front
of
me
in
extra
expense.
Your
expenditure
through
the
IMET
program
is
that
roughly.
K
I
K
I
K
I
I
I
note
that
in
quite
a
number
of
departments
and
I
really
wish
I
had
found
my
notes
that
there
is
a
big
underspending
on
staff
that
we
have
planning
three
million
under
MLS
two
and
a
half
engineering,
three
three
and
a
half
building
that
just
we
have
we're
way
way
behind
on
reaching
the
staffing
levels
in
a
number
of
departments.
Above
they
approved
gopping
I.
K
Will
note
through
you
a
madam
chair
that
is
correct?
The
organization
remains
challenged
to
try
to
keep
pace
with
the
amount
of
turnover
that
occurs
every
year,
so
I
I'm,
most
familiar
with
my
cluster
we've,
been
averaging
the
last
three
years
about
eight
percent
turnover
between
separations
people,
changing
jobs
within
the
organization
and
retirements.
So
while
we
always
feel
that
we're
gonna
fill
the
vacancies
that
we
currently
have,
new
vacancies
continue
to
sprout
out
pop
up
as
churn
occurs
within
the
organization.
Now.
I
K
I
I
K
So
a3,
madam
chair,
so
there's
a
lag
between
the
TREB
results
that
you
hear
about
real
estate
sales
and
price
declines
versus
what's
happening
in
the
MLT
tea,
because
about
25%
of
our
MLT
tea
revenues
come
from
condominiums.
They
have
a
very
long
closing
condominiums
that
sell
today,
new
condominiums,
don't
close
for
two
or
three
years
down
the
line.
So
there's
always
a
natural
lag
between
sales
and
closures.
K
Three
four
five
six
months,
but
on
condominium
closures,
it's
on
new
ones,
it's
even
longer
so
right
now,
despite
we
started
seeing
a
slowdown
in
new
sales
and
prices,
starting
in
around
April
May.
We
haven't
seen
that
hit
our
ml
TT
because
of
the
lag
so
ml,
TT
revenues
up
until
August
and
I've
got
preliminary
results
for
September
still
remain
quite
strong.
Thank
you
and
I'll.
K
H
K
We
have
noted
about
almost
seventeen
point:
nine
million
dollar
favorable
variance
and
that's
because
of
the
fees
associated
with
the
level
of
activities.
That's
occurring.
As
you
know,
there's
special
legislation
around
building
permits
those
revenues
actually
go
to
a
reserve
and
the
program
has
to
be
self-sustained.
So
in
the
end
it
doesn't
affect
our
surplus.
That's
available
for
distribution,
no.
H
But
we
often
get
complaints
that
the
building
permits
are
not
being
issued
according
to
the
timelines
under
the
Building
Code,
Act
and
I
know
that
councillor
shiner
often
raises
this.
If
the
staff
levels
are
lower,
the
revenues
are
higher,
we've
increased
fees
and
yet
the
services
are
not
being
provided
according
to
timelines,
then
all
we're
doing
is
generating
certain.
Not
that
having
a
surplus
is
such
a
bad
thing,
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
we're
doing
to
address
it.
So.
K
That's
tell
me
more
of
an
operational
question
directed
to
the
chief
building
official,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
the
money
stay
within
the
program.
So,
if
they're
in
the
reserve,
if
the
reserve
does
start
to
increase
and
service
levels
slip,
there
is
the
ability
to
access
access
that
reserve
to
beef
up
staffing
levels
to
meet
service
levels.
H
I
do
think
that
they
have
vacancies
as
well
in
the
building's
division
and
I.
You
know,
I,
don't
understand
how
we
couldn't
have
building
inspectors
positions
all
filled.
Last
year
we
increase
the
development
charges
or
development
fees
and
distributed
them
amongst
planning
buildings.
All
these
various
divisions-
and
we
collected
a
lot
of
money
in
new
fees
last
year,
like
I,
think
it
was
about
20
million
in
new
fees.
16
million
with
the
assurance
I
believed
that
we
were
going
to
deliver
services
to
meet
those
fees
and
so
I
guess
without
stuff
from
the
divisions.
K
H
10,
those
are
still
positions
that
the
are
budgeted.
Those
3
percent
that
are
people
anyway,
I-
will
deal
with
bill.
I
will
ask
buildings
questions
when
I
get
to
see
them,
but
overall
we
were
seven-point.
This
is
what
we
get
these
half-year
reports
and
we're
7.4
percent
in
surplus
at
6
months
or
157
million
I
think
it
is,
and
yet
you
project
0.8
and
something
far
lower
by
year-end.
K
So
that
that
is
a
bit
of
a
head-scratcher
on
the
surface,
but
it
is
accounted
for
by
a
couple
of
things:
one
was
ml
TT
and
at
the
time
we
were
predicting
that
to
level
off
I.
Don't
think
that's
going
to
happen
to
the
extent
that
we
were
predicting
back
in
June
I
will
grant
that
the
other
thing
is.
We
did
have
a
receipt
of
some
monies
ahead
of
schedule
in
the
budgets,
including
Toronto,
Hydro
dividend
payment
and
some
waste
management
rebates.
So
a
lot
of
that
was
accounted
for.
H
K
You,
madam
chair,
since
I,
will
not
be
the
CFO
at
that
time.
In
q2
of
2018
I
can
I
mean
the
things
that
we
have
been
going
to
and
using
the
surplus
in
the
last
few
years.
Certainly
in
the
last
five
years
that
I've
been
here,
capital
get
75
percent.
We
have
used
it
to
top-up
key
reserves
like
risk
management,
employee
benefits,
we've
used
it
in
the
past,
the
top
off
housing
reserves
and
also
daycare
reserves
to
try
to
offset
potential
budget
pressures
and
I'm
sure.
L
Quick
question,
madam
speaker,
and
it
kind
of
straddles
capital
in
in
the
operating
report.
There
is
the
the
issue
of
the
debt
service
charge
is
not
the
debt,
but
the
service.
We're
part
of
the
part
of
the
positive
variance
is
five
million
dollars
in
unneeded
debt
charges.
Those
hearts
they'll
be
incurred
later,
those
those
those
are
if
we
spent
what
we
had
set
out
to
spend
in
capital
this
year.
Right
so
cannot
be
used
to
balance
the
budget.
It
goes
to
offsetting
places
where
we
have
a
negative
variance
in
operating.
K
Your
madam
chair,
that
was
a
timing
issue.
So
when
we
were
developing
the
budget
late
in
2016,
we
were
expecting
to
issue
an
extra
100
million
dollars
in
debt
markets,
kind
of
took
rates,
kind
of
jumped
and
ran
away
from
us
late
in
the
fourth
quarter.
So
we
ended
up
not
issuing
it
in
2016,
but
we
did
issue
a
full
900
million
dollars
in
2017,
so
we're
gonna
be
on
track
for
that
in
20
2017.
So
if
that
was
more
just
a
timing
difference
because
we
had
incorporated.
K
We
have
incorporated
a
hundred
million
dollars
of
debt
that
we
were
going
to
issue
late
in
16
and
incur
some
accrual
of
debt
charges
in
early
17.
I
did
not
issue
that
late
in
16.
We
ended
up
catching
up
in
issuing
it
in
17,
so
we
didn't
have
a
full
of
cruel
and
that's
why
we
have
that
five
million
dollars
of
savings-
oh
you're,.