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City Council, meeting 31, July 5, 2017 - Part 3 of 4 - Afternoon Session (Part B)
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A
A
A
D
E
B
A
G
H
G
A
A
H
There
are
times
when
we
need
to
challenge
the
other
orders
of
government
when
we
don't
believe
that
they
are
fulfilling
their
role
and
their
responsibilities
in
contributing
their
parts
the
other
times
where
we
need
to
sit
down
and
try
to
resolve
differences
and
work
as
partners
to
really
achieve
results.
This
is
that
moment.
I,
don't
regret
anyone
who
has
said
that
they
are
concerned
about
the
dearth
of
funding
for
some
urban
areas,
but
this
kind
of
action
is
a
newsletter
action.
H
This
is
a
newsletter
action
led
by
councillor
member
alene.
This
isn't
helpful.
What
this
does
is
that
it
said
it
just
sends
a
signal
that
we
want
to
go
to
war
and
get
into
a
fight.
So
what
does
the
province
do?
For
example,
we're
waiting
for
more
housing
funds,
we're
waiting
for
the
relief
line
announcements.
H
Does
this
speed
up
those
announcements
if
you're?
If
you're
appear
at
the
premier's
office,
if
you're
at
the
provincial
government
level,
you
see
this
approved
by
council
and
then
you
see
a
big
campaign
going
at
you.
You
must
do
this
right
now
because
we
are
account.
So
when
we
say
you
must
do
you
do
hold
a
press
conference
next
week
and
make
an
announcement
about
housing,
funds
or
transit
funds
when
you
look
like
you're
actually
capitulating
to
the
demands
of
the
city
telling
you
that
you've
got
to
do
that
right
now.
A
A
H
There
is
no
doubt
you
know:
I
have
strong
differences
about
where
both
the
city
and
the
province
has
allocated
many
of
the
transit
funds,
very
strong
differences
of
opinion,
but
I
think
it's
an
arguable
that
the
province
has
contributed
billions
of
dollars
towards
transits
projects
here
in
the
city
of
Toronto.
That's
an
arguable,
it's
just
a
fact.
So,
let's
bring
down
the
temperature,
let's
get
back
to
the
table
and
let's
try
to
work
out
resolutions
that
will
finally
contribute
to
both
expanding
the
transit
priorities
that
we
have,
along
with
the
relief
line.
H
Hopefully
the
waterfronts
ort
projects
as
well
and
other
projects
that
we
deem
necessary
and
urgent
and
focus
so
importantly,
on
the
social
housing
stock,
which
is
a
it's
a
priority
to
assault
every
single
one
of
us,
but
I.
Just
don't
believe
that
sort
of
pushing
it
in
this
way
is
going
to
actually
end
up
with
the
result
that
we
want.
I
believe
that
there
are
partners
at
the
provincial
level
who
want
to
sit
down
and
work
with
us.
Let's
focus
on
that.
First,
don't
buy
into
this
piece.
I
You
speaker
and
very
briefly,
you
know
I
share
with
many
of
my
colleagues
frustration
at
not
being
able
to
attract
the
funding
that
we
need
from
the
province,
but
as
well.
The
funding
that
we
need
from
the
federal
government-
and
you
know
the
mayor-
has
I
thought-
made
a
valiant
attempt
to
bring
our
our.
I
Wish
list
to
the
attention
of
the
other
two
orders
of
government
and
to
a
degree,
speaker
and
I
agree
with
councilor
mantle.
The
two
other
orders
of
government
have
been
generous,
but
they
haven't
given
us
the
the
amounts
frankly
that
we
need
that
we
require
to
implement
so
a
social
housing
and
transit
strategy
in
a
strategic
way.
So
we
should
continue
working
with
them.
This
is
a
very
rude
frankly,
crude
way
of
expressing
ourselves
to
the
other.
A
G
That
spoke
to
infrastructure
money
that
spoke
to
the
lack
of
money
from
the
province
in
the
federal
government,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
mayor
just
trying
to
do
this
on
his
own
and
and
even
the
mayor
and
I
got
into
it
at
one
point,
because
we
we
challenged
these
things
on
a
regular
basis
and
the
mayor
was
very
clear
to
myself.
He
was
clear
to
to
anybody
that
that
has
spoken
up
on
on.
G
Perhaps
the
lack
of
of
an
attempt
on
getting
money
from
the
other
levels
of
government
to
say:
will
you
come
up
with
the
solution?
Then
you
decide
what
what
we
should
be
debating
in
council
together.
So
it
becomes
a
team
effort
and
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
do
here.
I'm
trying
to
say
that
the
City
of
Toronto,
like
we
did
with
the
gas
tax,
deserves
a
little
bit
more
through
a
campaign
and
I'm
not
suggesting
how
to
run
that
campaign.
I'm.
G
Not
doing
that
I'm
asking
staff
to
come
back
and
suggest
it
for
us,
so
how
do
they
see
it?
What
do
they
think
that
we
should
do
and
how
similar
can
it
be
to
the
one
cent
tax
campaign
that
we
did?
That's
what
my
motion
says.
It
says,
let's
do
it
as
a
team.
Let's
not
do
it
just
as
the
mayor
going
out
and
and
doing
his
best
to
get
the
money
we
need
for
the
infrastructure,
money
and
housing.
G
You
know
they're
going
to
pick
a
fight.
You
know
if
there's
this
isn't
about
picking
a
fight.
If
there's
an
opportune
time,
madam
Speaker,
to
go
after
the
love,
especially
the
province
god,
it's
right
now,
there's
an
election
looming
at
a
provincial
level.
What
better
way
to
get
money
secured
for
the
city
Toronto
if
you
make
it
a
City
of
Toronto
initiative,
so
it's
on
every
every
candidates,
mind
and
and
in
in
their
objectives,
to
get
themselves
elected
at
a
provincial
level.
G
This
would
be
the
appropriate
time
to
send
the
message
on
behalf
of
the
city
Toronto
and
the
other
thing
it
does
is
it
helps
the
mayor.
It's
just
not
the
mayor
going
out
going
out
and
and
saying
the
city
Toronto
needs
it.
It's
a
full-blown
campaign
that
says
endorsed
by
the
bike.
Council.
That
says
we
need
to
do
this
now.
I,
don't
anticipate
we're
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
this
I?
Don't
we
didn't
with
the
1
cent
tax
and
I?
G
Don't
anticipate
we'll
do
it
here,
but
let's
wait
and
see
what
staff
come
back
with
to
determine
what
what
kind
of
campaign
we
can
do
with
very
little
money.
What
is
wrong
with
that?
I
honestly,
don't
think,
there's
anything
wrong
with
that.
Now,
if
the,
if
my
motion
said
that
we
want
councillor
family
to
get
out
there,
anyone
we
want
him
to
go
meet
with
with
the
premier
who
I
am
to
me
with
all
the
ministers
then
I
could
but
I
can
actually
see.
G
You
know
how
some
of
you
might
have
a
reaction
to
this,
because
you
may
not
want
me,
you
know
going
going
to
talk
to
them
it
might.
It
might
hurt
more
than
help.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
not
what
the
motion
says.
It
says
let
staff
come
back
and
let
staff
determine
what
kind
of
a
campaign
it
is,
and
let's
help
the
mayor
in
this
one.
Let's,
let's
say
that
we
support
him
when
he
goes
out
and
says
we
don't
have
the
money
to
be
able
to
do
all
of
these
things.
J
So,
although
I
applaud
it
with
councillor,
memo
ladies,
is
suggesting
the
the
job
really
and
the
task
I
think
really
falls
on
councillors
and
on
the
mayor,
and
the
mayor
is
doing
is
doing
the
job
of
representing
the
city's
interests
with
respect
to
the
provincial
with
the
provincial
needs.
I,
don't
think,
I
want
to
see
staff
time
devoted
to
a
campaign.
That's
going
to
try
to
convince
a
desperate,
Liberal
government
to
start
funneling,
more
money
or
money
to
Toronto.
J
With
this,
with
this
provincial
campaign
coming
and
yes,
councillor,
Matt
Lowe
did
say
that
you
know
they're
there.
They
provided
lots
of
money
for
transit,
and
that's
that
certainly
is
true.
But
I
mean
it's
our
money
that
they're
spending
it's
it's
taxpayers,
money
they're
spending
and
they
should
be
investing
in
this
and
in
transit
in
Toronto
and
all
across
Ontario.
So
I
think
the
intention
is
good
I'm
not
going
to
support
it.
I
think
the
tactics
are
wrong
and
I
think
the
audience
wouldn't
be
listening.
K
E
Since
I
was
elected
14
years
ago,
so
I
don't
see
that
there's
anything
nefarious,
I,
don't
see
you.
This
is
a
poison
pill.
I,
don't
see
that
this
will
be
seen
as
an
insult
to
the
provincial
government.
In
fact,
I
think
the
provincial
or
federal
governments
would
actually
be
surprised
if
we
weren't
asking
for
money.
E
I
can't
imagine
a
day
when
perhaps
down
in
the
dawn
lands
at
the
mouth
of
the
Don
River,
the
Prime
Minister
of
Canada,
the
Premier
of
Ontario
and
the
mayor
of
our
city
got
together
and
there
were
no
demands
from
the
City
of
Toronto.
There
were
no
requests
for
financial
assistance
or
help
in
any
way.
I
have
found,
while
not
every
campaign
has
been
successful,
the
one-cent
campaign,
for
example,
we
were
given
packages
and
emails
and
a
media
strategy.
We
were
told
to
tweet
things
out
and
to
send
out
email
blasts.
E
E
Isn't
really
that
unusual
when
I
look
at
the
transit
city
plan
for
one
of
the
transit
cities
under
the
Miller
government,
of
which
I
was
a
member
of
we
started
with
no
money,
one
of
the
criticisms
of
Adam,
geom,
brownie
and
Mayor
Miller
at
the
time
was
you've
got
a
plan
and
you've
got
no
money.
This
is
nothing
but
make-believe.
This
is
a
bunch
of
crayons
and
paper
and
you
just
created
something.
It
has
no
relevancy
whatsoever.
What
we
did
campaign.
E
We
did
ask
the
provincial
government
for
funding
and
at
one
point,
the
provincial
government
agreed
to
give
us
twelve
billion
dollars
to
fund
that
project,
so
you've
got
to
start
somewhere
somewhere
is
when
you've
got
nothing
in
your
pockets
and
no
money
in
your
hand.
But
you
say
to
a
another
order
of
government
that
has
the
access
to
revenues
that
we
don't.
You
know
what
we
think
there
are
really
important
needs
for
the
people
of
Toronto
that
complement
the
goals
and
objectives
of
the
federal
and
provincial
governments,
and
we
think
we
should
be
partners.
E
E
A
G
G
So
I
think
we
should
be
doing
this
for
a
number
of
reasons.
Firstly,
you
know
a
councillor.
Campbell
is
also
correct
that
the
Liberals
are
desperate
because
they
see
themselves
on
the
wrong
end
of
an
election
coming
up,
and
this
is
the
time
to
launch
a
campaign
against
them
and
to
try
and
get
as
much
money
as
we
can
out
of
that
government.
G
I
would
say
this
members
in
this
chamber
spent
hours
upon
hours,
burning,
brain
cells,
I
wouldn't
even
begin
to
count
drafting
all
these
motions
asking
the
provincial
government
to
do
this
and
asking
the
provincial
government
to
that.
And
then
what
do
we
do?
We
we
put
it
on
the
clerk's
office
to
send
some
some.
G
We
are
now
at
a
time
this
time
doesn't
come
along.
Very
often
it
comes
along
once
every
four
years
or
so,
and
if
a
government
on
its
way
to
re-election,
then
they
will
continue
to
not
listen,
listen
generally
or
not.
Listen
as
as
well
to
those
those
cries
for
money,
that's
desperately
needed,
but
this
city
of
Toronto
is
a
place
where
this
government
desperately
needs
to
win
and
it
end
and
and
to
win.
They
have
to
help
the
very
residents
that
they
want.
G
Their
support
from
the
problem
that
we
have
right
now
is
they're,
not
listening,
and
so
we
should
do
everything
that
we
can
to
make
them.
Listen
at
the
very
time
when
they're
motivated
to
listen
the
most,
it's
very
easy
to
understand.
They
want
to
get
liberals
more
than
anything
else
want
to
get
reelected,
and
so
now
it's
the
time
to
push
them
to
give
us
the
funding
that
we
need
to
properly
fund
the
programs
and
the
infrastructure
in
the
city.
So
that's
why
we
should
support
this
motion.
G
A
D
A
M
You
very
much
out
of
respect
to
counselor
Cara
Janice
I'll
be
quick,
the
I'm
afraid
that
I
won't
be
able
to
support
this
motion
and
I
have
a
reason
for
that
before
I.
Get
to
that
reason,
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
this
is
different
than
the
one
sent
now
issue,
because
I
think
there's
a
critical
difference
in
there.
That
should
inform
how
we
think
about
the
idea
of
us
campaigning
on
another
government
spending
money.
The
point
of
the
one
cent
now
campaign.
M
It
came
just
after
the
City
of
Toronto
Act,
and
it
was
about
trying
to
change
the
relationship
entirely
about
how
our
governments
work.
Together,
we
were
asking
for
a
new
taxation
power.
We
were
asking
for
the
provincial
government
to
give
us
the
right
to
fill
one
cent
of
the
tax
room
as
a
municipality.
It
was
a
fundamental
change
in
the
powers,
financial
and
otherwise
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
It
was
a
new
idea
very,
very
different
than
what
we're
considering
now.
M
What
we're
considering
now
is
asking
our
staff
to
go
away
and
write
up
a
report
on
how
we
should
be
spending
public
money
telling
the
public
about
what
another
government
we
think
another
government
should
do.
One
of
the
things
councilor
holiday
is
fond
of
saying.
That's,
unfortunately,
is
not
in
the
room
is
a
lesson
he
learned
from
his
dad.
Many
of
us
served
with
is
the
one
thing
you
don't
want
to
do
is
collect
public
money
to
spend
on
a
program
poses
another
program
funded
by
public
money.
M
You
should
never
have
public
money
fighting
itself,
it's
a
complete
waste
of
a
very
scarce
resource,
having
two
governments
spending
money
on
an
air
war
battling
each
other,
funded
by
the
very
scarce
and
precious
dollars
that
we're
able
to
collect
through
taxes
and
fees
when
we
have
real,
meaningful
challenges
that,
as
of
yet
we're
not
sure
we
can
fund,
is,
to
my
mind
the
height
of
disrespect
for
the
public
purse
and
for
good
governance.
Many
of
us
disagree
on
how
big
government
should
be
and
what
things
government
should
do.
M
It's
true.
We
should
articulate
the
interests
of
the
City
of
Toronto.
I,
know
the
mayor's
done
that
and
I
congratulate
him
on
that.
It's
important
that
we
talk
about
whether
or
not
the
federal
government
has
adequately
come
to
the
table
on
housing,
whether
the
provincial
government
has
adequately
funded
their
share
of
the
cost
of
transportation
in
this
the
economic
engine
that
drives
the
province.
That's
all
fair
to
talk
about
in
our
roles
as
elected
officials.
What's
different
is
levying
money
to
spend
on
big
campaigns,
newspaper
ads
and
so
on
that
that's
a
step
too
far.
M
L
Thank
you.
Madam
Speaker
can
I
begin
by
asking
counselor
perks,
because
I'm
surprised
that
his
marks,
but
I
think
it
maybe
involves
a
miss
reading
of
the
motion,
because
there
actually
is
no
authority
sought
here
to
spend
any
money.
What
we've
asked
in
this
motion,
or
what
to
councillor
Malini,
has
asked
and
I'm
supportive
of
it
is
for
the
city
manager
to
go
away
and
examine
options
for
a
campaign
and,
quite
frankly,
he
could
come
back
and
tell
us.
L
The
tenants
of
Toronto
Community
Housing
we're
much
as
we
have
debates
in
here,
but
whether
we're
putting
enough
enough
opera,
which
we
put
up
to
more,
we
did
increase
our
funding
by
18
percent.
We
have
invested
a
billion
dollars
of
city
money
and
they
have
come
to
the
table
with
paltry
sums
of
money
almost
bordering
on
zero.
To
help
us
with
the
repairs
and
so
I
would
urge
you
to
reconsider
your
support
because
it
doesn't
say
we
give
authority
to
launch
a
campaign.
It
doesn't
say
we
spend
a
penny
or
ask
to
spend
a
penny.
L
It
simply
asked
the
city
manager
to
explore
options
to
run
a
campaign
and
make
specific
reference
to
social
media,
which
could
perhaps
be
used
at
no
cost
to
the
taxpayers
and,
frankly,
I
would
say
he
could
have
his
chance
to
vote
against
this
at
such
time
as
it
comes
back
and
recommends
the
spending
it
of
any
money
if
it
does.
But
I
just
want
to
make
that
point.
It's
clear
that
it's
clear
that
it
does
not
ask
for
any
money.
With
respect
to
the
first
speech
that
was
made
here
by
the
councillor
for
22.
L
L
It's
aimed
at
one
because
that
you
did
say
that
we
could
check
the
record
if
you
wish,
but
the
the
bottom
line
is
that
there's
only
one
government
that
has
not
come
to
the
table
at
all
and
we
can
question
the
adequacy
of
what
the
federal
government
has
come
forward
with
and
there'll
be
more
news
in
the
next
couple
of
days
about
what
they're
doing
on
Phase
two
of
their
transit,
the
federal
government.
That
is,
but
the
bottom
line
is
on
transit,
we're
going
to
be
receiving
billions
billions
of
new
dollars
from
them.
L
That
happened
as
a
result
of
a
concentrated
effort
made
by
the
big
city,
mayors
of
which
I
am
one
and
was
proud
to
play
a
leadership
role
on
behalf
of
this
city
and
other
cities
across
Canada
to
relentlessly
advocate
to
the
federal
government
at
all
federal
political
parties.
During
the
period
running
up
to
the
federal
election
we
just
went
through
and
I
will
tell
the
councillor
for
Ward
22
in
particular,
who
has
implied
the
critical
of
my
efforts
in
this
regard
by
saying,
well,
there's
more
to
be
done.
L
Sitting
at
the
table,
I
have
been
to
dozens
of
private
meetings
with
the
bomb.
Just
let
me
speak,
you
had
your
turn.
I've
been
to
dozens
of
meetings
with
the
Premier
of
Ontario
I've,
been
to
dozens
of
meetings
with
the
ministers
of
the
government.
I
sat
down
with
the
caucus
from
the
City
of
Toronto,
the
Liberal
caucus
from
the
City
of
Toronto.
There
I
had
met
with
the
minister.
H
H
E
H
E
L
Seeker
the
bottom
line
is,
you
know
the
member
for
22
may
want
to
just
concede
and
have
us
sit
here
in
this
council
chamber
after
dozens
of
meetings
will
be
held
at
all
accounts
I,
don't
know
how
many
meetings
he's
had,
or
others
have
had
in
here
or
letters.
They've
written
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
the
file.
But,
having
said
all
that,
I
need
your
help.
L
L
I
would
tell
you
if
I
said
50
times
with
different
people
and
and
I'm
terribly
sorry
that
I
haven't
been
able
as
yet
to
have
success
in
putting
across
a
case
that
I
think
is
so
straightforward
in
terms
of
the
need
of
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
city
to
have
the
help
of
a
government
that
has
the
tools
at
its
disposal
and
we
went
forward
with
Road
tools.
We
went
forward
with
Road
tools
and
this
council
showed
a
lot
of
courage
in
standing
up
and
saying.
L
We
will
put
that
forward
to
voters
who
might
not
have
all
found
it
entirely.
Popular
and
I
did
that
I.
Let
on
that
with
the
strong
public
and
private
encouragement
of
the
premier
of
this
province
and
other
people,
and
then
they
pulled
the
rug
out
from
underneath
the
city
in
terms
of
our
own
self-determination
and
in
turn,
and
to
appease
frankly,
the
905
and
for
political
purposes,
and
we
could
have
solved
a
lot
of
these
problems
if
we'd
had
access
to
that
money
and,
quite
frankly,
been
accountable
for
it
as
a
City
Council.
L
L
And
if
it
means
quite
frankly
that
we
need
a
new
deal,
then
the
campaign
might
say
so.
But
the
notion
we
should
just
go
into
a
corner
and
kind
of
sit
there
and
wait
around
timidly
and
sort
of
see.
If
maybe
they
might
decide
to
give
us
the
money
or
maybe
not,
is
unacceptable
to
me.
It
doesn't
involve
standing
up
for
Toronto
and
the
most
vulnerable
people
of
this
city
and
those
who
advocate
that
should
be
ashamed
of
themselves
and
I
urge
members
to
support
this
motion.
Madam
Speaker.
E
G
Actually,
quite
happy
standing
beside
you
and
you're
supporting
my
motion,
mr.
mayor,
because
you
actually
you
it
may
be
that
one
of
the
first
times
yes
and
and
and
and
you're
the
one
did
you
not.
That
asked
me.
Maybe
last
time
we
stood
up
and
debated,
I
think
it
was
on
tolls
or
something
that
someone
come
up
with
their
their
own
idea
with
respect
to
what
it
is,
we
should
do.
I
may.
L
L
We
actually
tried
quite
recently
to
send
an
emissary
to
talk
about
sitting
at
the
table
and
trying
to
work
something
out
and
we
were
met
with
kind
of
bafflement
as
if
what
there
was
nothing
to
discuss,
and
so
I
just
think
this
preparing
of
options
here
as
you've
requested
I,
think
quite
reasonably
by
the
city
manager,
who
the
public
servant
can
look
at.
How
we
might
put
our
message
across
is
a
reasonable
request,
and
that's
why
I
was
happy
and.
G
L
L
G
J
E
A
J
J
L
I
guess
I'm
unique
in
the
position
in
this
room
of
having
been
a
provincial
party
leader
and
I,
can
assure
you
that
one
of
the
things
you
have
to
do
is
yes
to
focus
on
areas
where
you
currently
have
strengths.
But
you
have
to
focus
on
that.
In
a
sense,
you
need
to
preserve
those
seeds
to
have
a
chance
to
stay
in
government
or
get
to
government.
L
We
need
your
help
to
look
after
the
most
vulnerable
people
talk
about
a
fairness
agenda.
A
fairness
agenda
is
covering
minimum
wage
earners.
It's
covering
childcare.
It's
guy
forget
what
other
chapters
have
been
announced.
I
think
it's
time
to
have
one
for
people
who
live
in
Toronto,
Community,
Housing
and
for
that
matter,
I'd
be
happy
if
they
did
the
same
thing
for
other
public
housing
residents
who
are
living
in
substandard
conditions
across
Ontario.
So.
J
I
agree
with
your
approach
in
the
regard
that
there
are
people
that
can't
speak
for
themselves.
However,
previous
discussions
with
all
three
party
leaders
have
they
not
had
they
led
anywhere
I
mean
have
we
ever
received
any
sort
of
yes,
I
agree
with
you,
Mara
Tory
from
either
the
Conservative
leader
or
the
NDP
leader
or
the
I
mean
certainly
would
happen
from
the
leader
of
the
Liberal.
Okay,
I've.
L
Had
one
round
I
think
it's
very
important
I
should
answer
that
question
honestly
as
I
try
to
answer
all
questions
on
it
with
a
very
forthright
answer.
I
have
had
one
round
with
each
of
the
no.2
rounds
with
the
leader
of
the
NDP
one
round,
with
leader
of
the
Conservatives
and
50
rounds
with
the
leader
of
the
Liberal
Party
of
the
Premier
of
Ontario,
I
would
say
from
the
Premier
of
Ontario.
No,
there
haven't
been
any
results
from
a
leader
of
the
NDP
to
be
fair.
L
She
that
she
would
cover
their
share
of
the
repair
bill
for
Toronto,
Community,
Housing
and
I'm.
Grateful
for
that
I
think.
That's
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
think
that
is
recognizing
their
responsibility
to
help
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
this
city
and
recognizing
that
the
province
has
a
role
to
play
in
funding
housing
from
the
leader
of
the
Progressive
Conservative
Party
no
results.
L
Today,
that's
the
score,
as
at
this
moment
and
I'm
saying
we
need
to
turn
the
pressure
up
or
at
least
examine
options
for
turning
the
pressure
up
on
all
of
them,
so
that
we
will
have
on
this
moment
in
time.
Very
similar
to
what
we
face
with
the
federal
election
as
big
city,
mayors
and
I
guarantee
you
the
fact.
We
ran
a
sustained
organized
thoughtful
idea,
based
policy
based
campaign
to
the
federal
government.
L
All
the
big
city
mayors
did
to
all
the
parties
produced
success
where
all
three
parties,
the
major
parties
stood
for
funding
of
transit,
for
example
in
the
election
campaign,
I
knew
no
matter
who
won
the
election.
We
were
going
to
win
out
of
that
in
terms
of
more
funding
for
transit,
I
knew,
and
it
was
because
we
ran
a
campaign
and
we
didn't
back
down
I'm.
N
B
L
Think,
as
the
transit
issue
is
important
as
well
and
I
see
it
as
being
something
that
is
directed
at
the
Ontario
legislature
and
all
the
members
of
the
legislature
and
all
parties
really
speaking
up
on
behalf
of
Toronto
and
the
people
of
Toronto
and
in
particular,
the
social
housing
residents
of
Toronto,
to
say
that
this
we
need
help
and-
and
you
know,
I-
think
it's
just
fundamental,
but
no
I
don't
view
it
and
look
again.
The
I
say
this
in
the
context
of
what
I
said
to
councilor
perks.
L
You
know
this
is
just
asking
for
options
for
a
campaign
and
I
can
assure
you
I'll,
be
left
interested
in
one
comes
back,
I,
don't
know
how
it
could
come
back
from
our
head
public
servant
for
heaven's
sake
and
be
partisan.
But
the
very
fact
we're
asking
this.
The
city
manager
to
explore
options
indicates
to
me
that
we're
looking
at
a
thoughtful
policy
based
ideas
based
campaign,
that's
about
housing,
tenants
and
directed
to
the
issue
as
opposed
to
a
political
or
partisan
thing,
as
opposed
to
anything
else.
Thank.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Let
me
just
say
first
that
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion
and
I
do
think
that
as
mayor
you
have
the
intergalactic
take
under
strong
advisement.
If
the
mayor
feels
at
this
point
that
a
strategic
campaign
is
a
value,
then
I
think
that
that
counts
for
a
lot
for
me,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
there's
three
three
little
pieces
that
I
think
would
be
helpful
to
articulate.
First
is
you're,
saying
that
this
will
be
a
political
campaign,
but
not
a
partisan
campaign.
Is
that
a
good
way
that
it's
by
everything.
L
We
do
councillor
is
put
through
your
amount
of
speakers
political,
but
yes,
I
have
no
intention,
I,
think,
quite
frankly
that,
in
my
words
and
there'd,
be
some
will
take
issue
with
this.
Maybe
some
who
are
big
supporters
of
the
government
parties
is
up.
There.
I
think
my
comments
today
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
Toronto
and
standing
up
for
the
City
of
Toronto
have
been
non
partisan.
L
I
just
got
out
of
my
way
here
today
to
commend
the
leader
of
the
NDP
for
the
fact
that
she
came
here
and
was
prepared
to
say
yes,
I'm
committing
our
party
to
supporting
the
housing
needs
of
this
province.
Okay
and
I
everything
I've
said:
if
you
look
at
it
about
premier,
Wynne
died
in
fact,
I
thought
out
of
my
way
with
premier
Wynne,
because
I
believe
it
in
my
heart
to
say
that
I
believe
she
genuinely
cares
about
the
issue
that
I'm
fighting
on
here
for
Toronto
and
wants
to
help.
L
B
B
L
B
Thank
you,
and
the
third
thing
is
is,
is
the
scope.
We
have
a
really
two
two
levels
of
issues.
One
is,
we
need
cash
and
we
need
it
yesterday
and
the
second
one-
and
so
you
know
it's
not
just
at
one
level,
I
can
see
a
campaign
about
the
money
on
another
level.
I
can
see
a
more
a
campaign,
that's
rooted
in
call.
It
transformational
change
that
we
actually
redo,
perhaps
the
City
of
Toronto
Act
and
say
you
know
what
we
need:
some
fundraising
or
financial
capacity
or
new
revenue
tools.
B
L
And
I
think
the
wording
was
not
perfect
in
that
regard.
I
think
certainly
suggests
that
talks
about
beating
the
unaddressed
needs,
committing
to
increased
long
term
and
predictable
funding,
and
so
I
think
it
leaves
the
door
open
to
our
city
manager
coming
back
with
options
that
could
cover
both
of
those
and
a
variety
of
ways.
You
can
go
about
it
and
a
variety
of
messages.
So
yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
B
G
You
Madame
speaker
and
thank
you
for
not
calling
me
a
doctor.
Some
people
might
want
me
to
be
a
doctor,
particularly
mayor.
Mr.
mayor.
You
realize
that
the
NDP
coming
forward-
and
do
you
know
to
their
credit
saying
it
will
support
this.
There
are
opportunity
to
be
in
government,
is
very
slim,
the
other
two
parties
that
actually
have
a
shot.
G
You
know
it's
funny
maths,
because
I
got
an
echo
behind
me
from
the
NDP
individual.
You
know
and
the
other
from
the
other
side
also
and
VP.
It's
not
a
prediction
that
only
happened
once
by
mistake,
but
my
question
for
you
to
the
mayor
is
we
didn't
get
a
commitment
from
either
of
the
other
two
parties
that
has
a
shot
either
forming
the
government
again
I
mean
we've
been
returned
to
government
or
forming
government
again
am
I
correct.
That
is.
L
Correct
but
my
objective,
make
no
mistake,
for
you
have
a
secret
to
the
councillor
is
to
have,
as
we
did
federally
all
parties
agreeing
to
make
the
commitment
so
that
that
means
that,
whatever
the
outcome
of
the
election,
all
three
parties
have
made
a
commitment
on
social
housing
and
transit
and
on
potentially
as
councillor
avek,
was
just
referring
new
ways
that
we
could
finance
ourselves
or
have
them
help
us
finance
ourselves.
So
that
would
be
the
objective
to
have
this
campaign
be
part
of
getting
all
three
of
them
to
commit
themselves,
and
certainly.
G
L
I
pride
my
best
to
try
to
represent
the
council
and
the
city
and
the
people
in
the
city
and
the
tenants
of
Toronto,
Community,
Housing
and
I
think
we've
certainly
made
progress
at
putting
the
issue
on
the
radar
screen.
I
didn't
need
the
authority
of
the
council
to
do
that.
You're
right,
I
think
I
had
it,
because
I
think
we
did
pass
a
couple
of
motions.
In
fact
supporting
my
efforts
and
so
I
would
just
say
this
is
one
more
thing
we
could
do
to
prepare.
This
is
only
preparing
options,
but
I
know.
G
This
instance,
we
will,
through
the
chair
to
to
the
the
mayor
in
this
distance
I,
think
having
the
support
of
the
council
and
as
a
body
and
and
the
work
that,
but
mr.
Wallace
will
certainly
will
help
as
we
move
forward
and
we
will
not
be
speaking
as
a
political
body.
We
will
be
speaking
as
a
nun,
I
mean
as
a
non-aligned
political
body
as
a
city,
and
it's
not
the
mayor.
G
L
That
be
correct,
that
is
correct.
I
have
been
scrupulous
since
I've
occupied
this
office,
not
to
associate
myself
in
any
way
with
any
political
party
go
to
any
events.
I
get
pictures
taken
with
people
of
all
parties,
because
you
can't
avoid
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I've
been
scrupulous
and
not
attending
events
or
doing
anything
that
would
violate
the
non-partisanship
that
I
bring
to
this
office.
But.
G
There
were
I
mean
there
were
events
that
you
held
with
the
mayor
of
Her
Majesty's,
loyal
opposition
background,
and
that
was
I
believe
in
that
council
Crawford's
word,
and
there
was
campaign
you
know
like
about
housing
and
there
was
another
one
with
with
the
NDP
leader
and,
of
course,
there's
we're.
Not
political
I
mean
it
just
happened.
That
I
was
held,
that
carry
I,
mean
crop
mister
councillors
proper
word.
Just
an
incident
I've.
L
Been
to
events
that
wish
people
of
all
parties
have
been
and
I'm
proud
of
the
fact
that
I'm
happy
to
be
there
and
with
them
at
things
that
support
different
parts.
The
community
but
I
have
not
been
to
a
partisan
political
event.
To
my
recollection,
since
I
took
this
office
and
I
would
continue
to
adopt
that
practice
of
not
going
to,
they
think
although
I
come
across
both
Google
and
and
try
to
do
business
with
frankly,
I
try
to
work
with
them.
I
take
every
chance.
C
A
C
A
C
Support
this,
if
it
was
broader
than
what
is
before
I'm
sorry,
you
should
have
put
you
down
before
the
difficulty
with
this
is
that
it
is
not
dedicated
to
look
at
all
political
parties
and
call
on
them
to
do
that.
So
you
know
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
say,
and
frankly,
the
other
part
I
would
have
asked.
There
were
many
people
who
will
say
the
best
campaign
for
any
politician
is
to
point
fingers
at
other
levels
of
government
and
through
leading
to
your
reelection
campaign.
C
This
says
that
you
would
lead
a
task
force
and
leave
this
campaign
and
I
guess
there's
some
of
us
who
think
that
that
might
be
quite
and
put
you
at
a
good
advantage
going
into
a
next
campaign
and
I'm
wondering
whether
or
not
you
believe
a
task
force
is
something
that
you
would
support.
What
is
a
task
force
that
you
would
lead
I.
L
Can
mean
I
would
say
if
you
look
at
the
wording
of
it,
a
talks
about
the
feasibility
of
striking
a
mayor's
task
force.
You
said
to
me
if
it
was
a
concern
to
people
that
I
might
lead
this
campaign
and
leave
this
task
force
and
use
it
for
somehow
to
facilitate
my
own
interest,
I'm
happy
to
see
it
not
happen
and
it'll
come
back
here.
L
If
that's
going
to
make
people
feel
better,
but
I
don't
even
know
that
they
come
back
and
recommend
one
we're
asking
the
manager,
the
city
manager
a
public
servant
to
look
at
whether
a
mayor's,
of
course
led
by
the
mayor.
Who
happens
to
be
me
at
the
moment.
It
would
be
helpful
in
advancing
our
cause.
That's
the
way
I
look
at
it,
but
if
they
say
no
or
you
say
no
fine
by
me
and.
C
So
Speaker
I
guess
there
is
no
way
at
this
point
to
amend
this.
Unless
the
mover
of
the
motion
we're
willing
to
amend
it,
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
but
I
think
that
what
the
mayor
the
answers
are
not
reflected
in
what
is
before
us,
so
I'm
a
I.
Just
wonder:
there's
got
to
be
some
way
that
this
house
this
chamber
this
body,
could
consider
some
kind
of
an
amendment
at
this
point.
I
would.
L
G
C
Not
talking
about
the
task
force
I'm
talking
about
an
amendment
to
recommendation,
one
that
would
call
on
all
political
parties
instead
of
the
government
of
Ontario
and
mr.
mayor.
Maybe
finally
there
will
be
people
who
will
say
the
city
has
not
done
everything
it
can
do,
and
the
provincial
government
has
said
as
well
that
we
have
not
exercised
and
use
our
taxation
to
the
fullest
and
I.
Guess.
I'm
wondering
and
I've
asked
you
this
before.
A
L
This
year,
it's
two
hundred
and
fifty
million
dollars,
plus
all
from
city
derived
funds
we're
responsible
for
at
all.
However,
it
got
derived
and
so
I'm
proud
to
say
actually
that
we've
been
able
to
do
both
and
I
know
that
you
think
it's
impossible
to
actually
put
money
where
your
priorities
are,
including
in
Toronto
Community,
Housing
repair,
without
massive
increase
in
property
taxes.
L
A
C
A
I
I
I
To
the
mayor
speaker,
mr.
mayor,
you've,
you've
played
nice
with
the
current
liberal
provincial
government.
You
have
played
rough
with
the
current
provincial
government.
Why
do
you
think
you
have
been
unsuccessful
in
bringing
into
the
table
and
providing
funding
for
housing
for
transit
and
other
city
priorities?
I.
L
Without
any
money
for
repairs.
And
now
you
have
two
of
three
governments
that
have
stepped
up,
the
federal
government
has
stepped
up
not
as
much
as
might
be
the
case
to
provide
for
a
full
third,
we
have
stepped
up
big
time
and
put
up
the
third
and
actually
invested
it
or
are
in
the
process
of
doing
so,
but
I
think
it's
as
simple
as
that
and
I.
L
Think
in
the
end,
we
need
to
keep
the
pressure
on,
because
I
believe
that,
with
the
leadership
of
the
premier
and
where
her
heart
is
and
her
mind
on
this,
they
will
come
to
the
correct
conclusion.
But
I
think
they
will
not
do
it
if
we
sit
back
as
advocated
in
the
corner
and
just
kind
of
wait
for
some
mythical
table
to
emerge
that
we
go
to,
we've
been
to
the
table
many
many
times
many
times
and
if,
by
the
way,
you
think
sending
somebody
else
up
to
the
table.
I
But
you
would
think
that
a
provincial
party
that
is
going
to
be
going
to
a
to
election,
some
10
11
12
months
down
the
road
that
they
would
be
looking
for
popular
political
initiatives
for
them
to
be
able
to
to
to
do
that
would
improve
their
reelection
standing.
So,
for
example,
if
they
thought
for
one
minute
when
you
agree
that
if
they
thought
for
one
minute
that
building
a
one-stop
Scarborough
subway
stop
at
a
cost
of
five
or
six
billion
dollars
was
a
popular
initiative.
I
L
I,
you
know
what
I
think
it
is
to
be
honest
again.
I
think
it
is
that
housing,
especially
housing,
that
is
of
the
of
social
housing,
does
not
actually
rank
very
high
when
it
comes
to
people's
considerations
about
casting
the
vote
and
that's
a
real
change
when
we
have
tens
of
thousands
of
people
living
in
the
city
and
the
conditions
that
they're
living
in
and
we're
unable
to
find
all
the
money
through
property
taxation.
Nor
should
we
to
fix
that,
and
so
I
think
that.
A
L
My
efforts,
madam
Speaker,
and
through
examining
options
for
a
campaign
which
is
all
this
asks
us
to
do
to
see
if
we
can
make
it
more
of
an
issue
so
that
maybe
all
of
those
provincial
political
parties
will
feel
that
this
should
be
near
the
top
of
the
list.
In
addition
to
other
commitments,
they've
already
made
on
the
subway
extension
and
other
things
to
say,
you
know
what
it
actually
is.
L
When
you
want
to
talk
about
fairness,
the
right
thing
to
do
to
have
the
province
and
the
federal
government
and
the
city
all
together,
saying
we
together
are
going
to
do
something
that
hasn't
been
done
for
decades.
Invest
in
that
housing,
bring
it
up
to
a
proper
standard
and
then
maintain
it
at
a
proper
standard
going
forward.
And
so
that's
what
this
is
all
about.
L
I
Example,
if
we
thought
for
one
minute
that
you're
smart
track
plan,
the
five
or
six
stops,
you
want
to
build
on
a
goal
line
at
a
cost
of
two
or
three
a
billion
City
share
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
other
billions
from
other
levels
of
government
if
they
thought
that
that
was
a
popular
get
vote
kind
of
plan.
Don't
you
think
they'd
be
there
to
follow
up
with
you
and
giving
you
money
to
get
that
done,
but.
L
L
There
are
projects
and,
by
the
way,
a
cop's
term
atlo
earlier
on,
referred
to
the
fact
that
they
put
billions
into
Toronto
every
speech
I
have
made
without
exception
and
I'm
now
going
to
fulfill
it
for
today,
I
have
acknowledged
the
billions
they
put
in
in
the
past
or
for
projects
that
are
presently
under
construction.
This
is
about
the
future.
This
is
about
the
future
of
TCH,
see
residents
who
are
living
in
substandard
accommodation,
and
this
is
about
the
future
transit
projects.
L
We
have
to
continue
to
build
in
the
city
because
we
stopped
too
many
times
before,
as
the
city
has
continued
to
grow,
so
they
have
actually
partnered
with
us.
They
continue
to
partner
with
us
and
they
do
show
up.
In
fact,
half
the
photo
ops
are
their
photo
ops
that
I
go
to
and
we
go
there
together
to
say
we're
working
together,
as
we
did
in
the
Portland's
last
week.
That's
a
good
example
of
where
governments
can
work
together
to
move
things
forward.
O
A
A
Right
submit
members
of
council
why
we
were
debating
the
confidential
report
that
was
requested
for
the
audit
committee
has
been
circulated.
So
please
read
it
it's
fair,
but
it's
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
people
read
it
because
I
don't
want
to
go
on
camera
and
remember
the
council
say:
I
have
an
ID
checks
to
read:
it
yes,
counts
to
Fraga,
Dacus
or
I,
just
a
point
of
order.
What.
A
Okay,
if
everyone
that's
why
I
mentioned
the
report
is
on
your
desk.
But
what
I
would
like
to
ask
members
account
so
rather
than
us
go
back
and
forth
in
Cameron
out
because
it
takes
us
at
least
20
minutes
to
go
in
and
out
of
camera.
So
there
are
a
number
on
do
it
at
6:30,
we're
going
to
know
or
do
a
go
on
camera
at
6:30,
okay,
but
what
I
need
to
know
from
members
of
council,
though
there
are
a
number
of
items
that
were
held
down.
There
were
confidential
items
so
I'm.
A
If
we're
going
to
go
on
camera
and
the
Audit
Committee,
we
should
go
with
all
the
items.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
members
of
council
that
have
held
the
items
down
need
to
go
on
camera
on
these
items,
so
forget
yeah.
So
if
you
want
to
go
on
it
on
any
end
camera
on
any
of
the
items
that
you've
held
down,
please
let
the
clerk
know
so
we
can
deal
with
all
the
items
at
the
same
time
at
counter
you
Mary
on
page.
A
Yeah,
okay,
yeah,
so
we'll
have
to
arrange
for
someone
to
come
down
here
and
answer
those
questions
for
you
and
okay.
So
any
other
members
of
council
that
upheld
items
down
that
are
confidential
attachments.
If
you
can
let
the
clerk
know
before
we
recess
at
6:30,
so
we
can
deal
with
all
of
them.
At
the
same
time,.
A
A
M
N
N
It
lays
out
the
loans
payable.
There
is
a
fixed
amount
to
versa,
Bank
for
nineteen
point,
two
million
at
five
point:
two:
three
percent
maturing
October
31st
of
this
year.
There
is
a
general
loan
to
the
city,
which
is
interest
only
at
a
variable
rate
of
three
percent
that
is
being
refinanced
with
infrastructure
Ontario.
Currently
there
is
a
sustainable
energy
plan,
financing
loan
of
two
hundred
and
seven
thousand,
and
there
is
a
city
of
Toronto
energy,
retrofit
loan
of
five
hundred
thousand
that
is
paid
off
at
a
hundred
thousand
a
year.
So.
M
N
N
N
M
N
M
N
M
M
K
A
A
O
A
K
A
K
F
K
I
guess
Dan
is
right,
guys
question,
so
the
links
for
lions
are,
you
know
now
the
MasterCard
said
I
know
you're
very
involved
in
the
board.
How
do
you
see
things
heading
now?
The
city's
taken
it
over
it's
taking
a
couple
years
to
get
the
new
board
in
place?
How
do
you
see
us
moving
forward
from
here
through.
K
Q
Board
was
able
to
stabilize
the
operations
the
city
country
beautify,
share
capital,
infusion
of
8.1
million
dollars
last
year,
which
turned
the
deficit
into
a
surplus.
The
arena
makes
a
lot
of
money,
however,
it
is
a
large.
They
flowed
31
million
as
it
stands
right
now
and
because
of
the
debt
service
amounts
it's
losing
on
paper.
So.
K
K
D
R
Point
of
privilege
it
is.
It
is
my
understanding
that
that
counselors
may,
if
they
wish,
to
rise
on
a
point
of
privilege
on
behalf
of
staff,
I
wondering
if
you
could
instruct
the
counselor
that,
when
remark
is
made
such
as
talking
out
of
both
sides
of
their
mouth,
it
might
be.
A
viewer
on
television.
Might
think
that
you
are
talking
about
staff
and
accusing
them
of
talking
at
a
both
sides.
On
about
Jerry.
E
K
R
D
By
I'll
clarify
yeah
I
apologize
to
anyone
at
home.
There
was
no
intention
whatsoever
to
say
that
staff
were
doing
anything
but
answering
questions
diligently
with
respect
to
this
matter.
My
comments
were
in
respect
of
comments
that
came
from
this
council
floor
with
respect
to
other
counselors.
As
a
member
of
the
Budget
Committee
I
have
undertaken
hundreds
of
hours
in
the
committee
room
where
I've
listened
to
certain
counselors
here
tell
us
that
when
we
spend
my
there
shouldn't
be
an
economic
analysis
done.
D
D
D
A
R
O
R
R
Is
it
fair
to
say
we
understand
the
the
deficit
grew
this
year
due
to
good
reason,
there
was
a
roofing
issue
and
some
improvements
done.
That's
all
well
and
truly
outlined
in
the
audited
financial
statements.
So
the
question
is
this:
we
do
see
a
sort
of
a
trend
there
and
even
if
we
subtract
the
roof
report,
we
see
a
bit
of
a
trend,
we're
still
booking
deficits
owing
to
the
to
the
loan
repayment.
R
R
The
city
have
I
need
my
memory
refresh
on
the
arrangement
with
the
city
at
that
time
have
the
ability
to
to
move
a
direction
through
through
budget
or
whatever
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
ownership
of
the
theaters,
where
we
said:
okay,
you're
you're,
not
operating
at
a
zero
balance,
have
a
goal
get
to
zero
by
a
certain
point.
In
time
did
we
do
we
have
the
right
to
establish
that
with
an
entity
like
lakeshore
arena?
R
Q
Q
C
Q
Q
C
Q
O
Q
O
C
Understand,
but
this
is
a
model
that
we
have
promoted
for
the
last
two
new
arenas
that
we
have
built
and
it
was
a
cost
debt-financed
cost
recovery
model
that
we
were
promoting,
so
I
know
that
even
Leeside
has
struggled
and
to
pay
back
their
debt.
This
arena
has
struggled
to
pay
back
so
what
it
has
financed
and
so
speaker.
My
question
is:
is
this
a
model
that
we
should
be
replicating
in
the
future?
It
seems
to
me
we
get
stuck
carrying
the
debt
anyway,
through.
O
C
C
O
C
Not
a
model
that
works,
and
so
I'm
wondering
I,
hope
and
maybe
I
can
ask
the
general
manager
of
PFN
our
when
our
capital
facilities,
our
facilities,
master
plan
comes
back.
Are
we
looking
at
this
kind
of
model
of
self
financed
capital,
or
are
we
going
to
come
back
with
publicly
financed
capital
debt
financed
facilities?
That
will
allow
us
to
actually
only
be
concerned
about
the
operating
cost,
as
opposed
to
recovering
the
capital
cost?
That
are
the
users
that.
F
S
Thank
you
through
you
to
staff.
So,
if
I
understand
correctly,
the
cost
to
build
this
facility
was
44
million
dollars.
Forty
three
point
form
is
also
not
thanks
the
average
arena.
This
is
a
twin
patters
at
303
paths,
before
the
average
facilities
were
about
15
million
a
pad.
So
it's
not
a
bad
deal,
12
million
15.
S
S
O
S
Q
S
Q
Councilor,
this
wasn't
built
is
a
City
facility.
It
was
built
by
lakeshore,
Lions,
Club
and
city
provides
a
long
guarantee
in
to
the
club
after
they
operated
the
arena
for
two
years.
It
was
clear
that
they
were
not
going
to
meet
their
obligations
for
this
service,
so
they
have
approached
to
city
and
council
decided
that
it
would
be
taking
over.
We
would
be
taking
over
the
SSN
liabilities
in
a
new
city
service,
corporation,
okay,.
S
F
O
Three
manager,
I
believe
you're,
probably
referring
to
the
lease
I,
believe
it
is
the
Leeside
arena,
correct
that
we
have
a
loan
and
under
the
arrangements
with
those
arena
boards
and
that
loan
adir
can
correct
me.
They
are
to
recover
the
cost
of
their
loan.
Any
deficits
get
carried
over
to
the
following
year
and
we
did
make
some
recent
range
changes
to
those
arrangements
and
for
the
life
of
me,
I
cannot
worry
what.
S
S
S
But
I
guess
might
constrict,
and
this
my
question
will
lead
to.
This
is
they're
talking
about,
there's
been
discussion
about
a
roof
issue
being
sort
of
out
of
the
blue
and
that
now
gets
covered
by
the
city
of
these
repairs.
That
may
or
may
not
be
it.
Everything
gets
piled
on
to
the
city
in
this
case
of
the
MasterCard
Center.
No,
so.
O
Q
S
K
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
I'll
get
up
this.
This
history
of
the
Serena's
come
through
this
council
many
many
times
this
one
under
when
David
Miller
was
here
served
members
accounts
like
the
state
out
of
here
and
corporate
states
out
of
here
does
want
to
hear
the
information
was
likes
to
drag
this
through
the
mud
every
time
it
goes
through.
We
do
not
make
money
on
arenas.
If
this
debt
was
not,
there
would
be
making
five
million
dollars
on
this
arena.
K
This
was
arena
that
was
brought
for
by
the
Lions
Club
a
service
club
in
South
Etobicoke,
who
sold
the
original
life
of
the
original
arena.
They
sold
brick
by
brick
in
the
50s
to
build
the
arena
for
the
city.
It
would
turn
over
the
city.
They
ran
it
on
our
behalf.
For
years
it
was
at
the
end
of
its
life.
I
think
we
worked
I.
K
Think
John
Campbell
was
on
counselor
Campbell's
on
the
school
board
at
that
time,
with
trustee
Davis,
and
we
worked
with
the
Lions
Club
in
a
partnership
with
the
sea
to
bring
this
forward.
If
we're
to
bring
a
four
pad
arena
in
the
cookie
cutter
approach,
we
used
to
build
arenas
we'd
all
be
dead
before
we
ever
built
this
arena.
It
was
a
pro,
so
we
thought
it
would
be
a
good
model
to
come
forward
unfortunate.
The
original
cost
was
34
million
and
it
went
over-budget.
K
It
went
to
44,
which
made
it
a
very
far
stretch
for
the
line,
but
I'm
not
here
and
kicked
the
Lions
Club
in
there
down.
We
took
it
back
on
the
Lions
Club.
We
put
a
board
together.
It's
an
awesome
board.
It's
taken
a
couple
of
years
ago
back
we
threw
some
problems
with
the
roof,
but
this
is
a
premier
facility
in
this
city.
You've
got
tennis
like
mapley
sports,
entertainment,
Hockey,
Canada,
Hockey,
Hall
of
Fame
archives,
topical,
topical,
Sports,
Hall
of
Fame
and
I
can
tell
you
without
those
a
class
Kenneth.
K
This
never
would
have
came
through
Council.
Those
tenants
stepped
up
and
allowed
this
thing
to
come
forward.
Maybe
the
sports
entertainment
prepaid,
the
rent
Faustino
Hockey
Club,
which
is
the
oldest
hockey
club
in
the
city
they
were
protected.
Their
age
were
protected.
A
total
of
dolphins,
girls
hockey
never
had
a
home
until
the
sharina's
built.
What's
that
word,
the
girls
did
not
have
a
rink.
They
had
to
play
behind
the
boys
all
over
the
city.
Now
they
have
a
home,
you
go
in
there
on
any
weekend,
pink
the
rink
event.
K
The
Dolphins
have
its
absolute
rampant
pull
of
program.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
take
Lanny
McDonald
through
there
last
week,
and
he
was
blown
away
by
that
arena.
His
board
is
got
things
under
control.
We're
going
to
move
things
forward,
there's
still
some
room
open
there
that
we're
trying
to
get
built
out.
They
get
more
revenue
to
come
in,
but
this
is
a
premier
Premier
called
a
MasterCard
hockey
for
hockey
iPhones.
For
a
reason,
the
other
thing
is
happening
there.
It's
your
speed
skating
in
there
world-class
speed,
skating
champions.
K
Now,
where
can
you
speed,
skate
and
trial?
This
is
the
second
Olympic
sized
piece
of
ice
in
the
city
that
was
at
York.
We
only
had
one
in
this
city,
which
is
a
shame.
So
this
is
a
premier
facility,
anyways,
coming
tour.
It
I
love
to
bring
you
out
there
and
show
it
to
you,
but
every
time
this
comes
to
Council,
certain
members
of
this
council
want
to
drag
it
through
the
mud.
This
is
a
fantastic
facility
for
our
boys
and
girls
and
for
the
city
you're
here.
S
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
Thank
you.
We
love
the
penny-pinchers
in
Etobicoke.
Apart
from
that,
I
think
that
the
some
of
the
arrows
that
are
being
pointed
in
the
way
of
my
friends
from
Etobicoke
are
ill
placed
or
ill
aimed
in
that
councillor.
Grimes
point:
it
is
a
premier
facility.
The
reason
I'm
rising
is
that
I
believe
now
is
costing
about
750
million
a
year
for
this
facility
for
poor
pads.
S
That's
actually
a
good
deal,
but
more
importantly,
is
we
do
have
a
real
problem
in
this
city
and
it's
the
state
of
our
facilities
in
dawn
Mills,
we're
basically
holding
it
together
with
duct
tape.
We're
and
we
don't
have
a
proper
man
glue.
Thank
you.
We
don't
have
a
proper
model
hockey
date.
No,
no!
How?
If
you
did
doesn't
work,
we
don't
have
a
proper
model.
That's
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
we
have
all
these
facilities
that
are
long
past,
their
useful
life,
and
we
really
need
a
strategy.
I
know.
S
The
question
was
asked
to
the
parks
department
what
that
strategy
will
be,
but
we
really
need
a
strategy
where
we
can
start
building
proper
facilities.
Many
of
the
ones
in
Toronto,
in
my
opinion,
are
quite
embarrassing.
I'm
proud
we
have
the
MasterCard
Center
I
wish
the
Leeside
arena
had
the
same
deal,
but
that's
for
another
day.
C
C
C
So
this
is
not
a
model
that
will
work
in
every
neighborhood
either.
These
are
neighborhoods
that
have
been
able
to
afford
to
pay
them.
This
arena
I've
got
naming
fees
from
MasterCard
for
some
period
of
time,
but
I
think
that
naming
right
has
expired
and
there
are
no
more
revenues
from
that
source
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
councillor
DG
a
know
that
we
need
a
plan.
C
Our
facilities
plan
was
supposed
to
have
come
to
us
in
2007
2007,
the
Auditor
General
wrote
and
asked
for
facilities
and
Recreation
Service
plan,
and
here
we
are
a
decade
later
and
no
capital
money
in
any
reserves
to
try
and
meet
the
unmet
needs
across
the
city.
We
have
not
responded
to
growth.
We
have
not
responded
to
demand
and
I'm
afraid
that
when
that
master
plan
comes
forward,
we're
going
to
shrug
our
shoulders
and
say
once
again:
how
are
we
going
to
pay
for
it?
R
G
Chair
I
think
that
if
you
asked
staff
they
will
clarify
to
you
that
it's
not
appropriate
for
one
of
us
to
name
if
somebody
else
is
in
the
chamber
unless
the
practice
is
different
from
parliamentary
procedure
in
the
other
places,
then
this
should
also
hold
it's
unfair
for
number
two
mention.
If
another
member
is
present,
yes
or
no,
it
has
been
a
number
of
times.
Saturday
am
I
correct.
Madam
chair.
R
A
That
ruling
all
I
said
is
Thank
You
counselor.
That's
all
I
said
at
least
got
that
interacting
speaker,
you're,
being
very
rude.
Counselor
Carol
to
kalter
care
Gianna's
count
to
take
terior
to
your
point
of
order.
Point
I
just
want
to
respond
to
you
not
to
counter
Carol
to
counter
care
Janice
is
that
comment
was
made,
but
in
fact
counselor
D
Tiano
made
the
same
comment
on
another
counselor,
so
I'm
going
to
ignore
that
it.
G
R
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
ruling,
madam
Speaker,
because
it's
because
it
isn't
really
the
point
here
but
I
will
I
will
rise
to
make
to
make
this
point.
This
is
an
audited
financial
statement,
and
the
meeting
that
was
held
at
executive
committee
was,
in
fact
the
annual
general
meeting
of
the
lakeshore
arena,
and
so
that
is
an
item
that
we
should
read
with
great
care
and,
as
you
saw
very
well
outlined,
the
financial
situation
of
this
arena
as
Shias
want
to
do.
That
is
her
job.
R
R
The
question
I
asked
on
this
item:
was
a
staff
just
to
be
sure,
should
I
be
even
more
concerned
next
year?
What
will
be
my
ramifications?
What
kind
of
facility
is
this
am
I
allowed
to
say
this
you're
at
budget
time?
You
guys
need
to
set
a
target.
You
guys
need
to
get
to
zero
balance
annually.
That's
a
better
way.
I'd,
like
you
to
set
a
program
of
getting
there
by
a
certain
year.
That's
what
budget
committee
members
do.
I
dare
say
the
budget
chief
may
have
already
done
it,
but
I.
R
Don't
know
that,
and
so
I
will
use
this
chamber
to
ask
those
questions
and
make
sure
that
the
city's
liability,
the
city's
debt
load,
is
not
at
risk.
That's
what
counselors
do
and
that's
all
that
was
being
done
here.
I,
don't
call
that
arrows,
I
call
it.
My
mandate,
I
fulfilled
my
mandate
now
and
so
I'm
comfortable
doing
exactly
madam
Speaker.
R
What
the
recommendations
of
this
report
say,
but
at
budget
committee
I
may
be
asking
how
it
affects
our
debt,
should
we
have
to
take
it
on
so
that
the
ultimate
ceiling
on
our
budget
is
able
to
take
this
on?
Should
it
one
day
have
to
do
so?
That's
my
mandate!
That's
what
I'm
here
for
and
I,
don't
call
that
arrows
or
slings
or
whatever
that's
our
job.
Thank
you,
madam
Speaker.
D
D
The
MasterCard
Center
has
been
full
from
the
days
got
built
as
that
it's
been
extremely
successful
and
that
it's
making
a
pile
of
money,
irrespective
of
how
it
was
financed
when
it
was
financed.
I
wasn't
here,
but
I
doubt
that
there's
any
member
of
the
community,
whether
it's
Faustina
haki,
whether
it's
the
Gulf
and
the
girls
hockey
Association,
whether
it's
the
Humber
Valley
any
of
these
organizations,
the
thousands
of
kids
that
come
there
for
all
these
tournaments
from
across
North
America.
D
What
do
they
care,
how
this
thing
got
built
or
whether
they
just
appreciate
the
fact
that
they
got
an
ice
hockey
in
a
toe
boku
to
skate
on
so
I'm
glad
that
it
came
to
show
the
success
that
the
MasterCard
Center
has
brought
not
only
to
Etobicoke
lakeshore
but
for
the
people
the
residents
to
enjoy.
Thank
you.
D
A
T
Speaker,
I,
don't
know
who
I'm
directing
them
to
I
know
that
mr.
Brendan
wrote
the
report.
Mister
Rossini,
okay,
some
miss
Rossini,
one
of
the
things
I
learned
last
week
and
I
was
appointed
by
City
Council
I'm
on
the
Ontario
good
roads
Association.
One
of
the
things
that
we
reviewed
at
our
policy
committee
was
this
item
on
railway
levy
and
it's
my
understanding
from
that
organization.
That
Ontario
is
one
of
the
last
provincial
jurisdictions
that
does
this
levy
based
on
acreage
and
not
on
assessed
land
value
and
track.
T
O
Through
you,
madam
speaker,
so
the
railway
and
right
the
way
taxation
is
something
that's
been
under
study
since
I
got
into
municipal
finance
in
the
late
eighties
in
1998,
the
system
was
reformed
to
try
to
standardize
to
go
to
the
acreage
based
system
and
there
was
a
commitment
to
go
to
some
type
of
uniform
or
average
acreage
rate
there
wasn't
any
inflation
indexing
applied
to
it?
The
province
of
no
indicators
are
going
to
start
that,
so
it
is
an
issue
and
there's
there's
warts
and
problems
with
any
kind
of
taxation.
T
And
so
my
understanding
on
in
Ontario,
for
example,
as
I
from
the
entire
good
roads
Association,
the
Federation
of
Northern
Ontario
municipalities,
has
a
similar
issue.
We
just
discussed
earlier
about
our
inability
to
pay
for
our
infrastructure
and
they're
looking
at
other
provinces
and
why
they're
begun,
advocating
with
the
province
for
per
tonnage,
based
assessment
and
I,
don't
see
any
reference
to
that
in
the
report.
There's
what
I
saw
at
Ontario
good
roads
was.
T
N
Through
the
chair,
we're
on
a
committee
with
a
mole
and
the
province
looking
at
this
matter
and
the
rate
that
they
have
given
is
the
rate
that
they're
proposing
for
2018
or
2017,
the
other
alternatives
are
being
looked
at
as
part
of
the
future.
There
is
no
decision
yet
as
to
how
they're
going
to
change
the
taxation
of
rail
rail
lines.
All.
N
T
T
So
they
use
a
formula
that
looks
at
van
land
value,
which
is
the
assessed
value
by
municipal
municipality,
which
Ontario
doesn't
allow
us
to
use,
and
then
they
look
at
the
gross
tonnage
of
a
freight
train,
for
example,
and
the
rate
per
mile
of
track,
and
so
where
we
get
an
assessed
value
in
Ontario
of
six
hundred
and
eleven
dollars.
An
acre
in
a
in
Alberta,
for
example,
that
same
equation.
When
you
use
their
formula,
we
get
six
hundred
and
eleven
dollars
in
alberta.
T
N
T
Sorry
last
year
our
total
levy
from
CN
Rail
on
137
acres
was
we
received
198.
We
received
one
hundred
ninety
eight
thousand
dollars
from
CN
Rail
correct,
so
my
calculation
have
used
that
same
tonnage
rate
that's
available
in
every
other
province
that
one
hundred
and
hundred
ninety
eight
thousand
dollars
climbed
to
roughly
ten
million
dollars.
Okay,.
A
A
T
So
I'll
speak
I'm
moving
the
recommendations.
I
understand
that
we
can't
do
anything
else,
because
we
have
a
structure
here
that
the
province
of
Ontario
has
mandated
on
every
municipality
in
Ontario.
I.
Think
I
will
be
moving
something
at
the
appropriate
time,
because
I
think
we
need
to
be
revisiting
this
much
as
we
have
the
discussion
earlier,
where
meritorious
quite
adamant
that
we
need
to
be
getting
properly
paid
for
infrastructure
in
this
province.
We
have
a
huge
infrastructure
debt
and
to
me
this
is
a
glaring
deficit
deficiency
and
I
was
surprised.
T
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
that
the
City
of
Toronto
needs
to
address.
As
I
said
it
later,
I'll
be
bringing
this
forward,
because
I
think
we
need
to
stand
with
the
northern
municipalities
that
receive
about
a
fifth
of
the
race
that
we
do
and
there's
a
huge
opportunity
here
that
the
province
needs
to
address
to
help
us
fund
our
infrastructure
gap.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
M
H
A
A
A
T
Thank
You
Madame,
speaker
dia,
the
only
question
I
have
her
stop.
Was
it
the
same?
One
I
had
the
committee
level
I'd
asked
for
a
list
of
agencies
and
groups
that
have
been
consulted
in
the
plan
and
the
wood
in
this
trap.
I
understood
was
going
to
be
put
in
this
report
for
council
and
then
included
in
the
the
final
one.
M
T
T
T
There
was
another
concern
I
had
about
how
did
transgender
were
youth
were
being
reached
out
to
in
the
local
communities,
in
particular,
Scarborough
in
more
43,
where
I
represent
I
was
invited
to
D
type
Pride
celebration
at
the
beginning
of
Pride
Month,
where
we
did
the
fourth
annual
flag.
Raising
there
wasn't
a
lot.
There
was
no
City
stop
there.
Unfortunately,
I
was
the
only
city
councilor
present
and
I
did
hear
from
a
number
of
the
youth
who
were
present
at
the
event
about
the
lack
of
services
that
they
saw
for
transgender
youth
in
Scarborough
they're.
T
Very
appreciative
of
this
report
coming
forward,
but
they're
hoping
there
will
be
more
reach
in
Scarborough
in
particular,
because
there's
services
that
need
to
be
utilized
for
the
youth
there
and
I
as
again
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
their
hard
work
on
this
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
recommendations,
as
I
hope.
Everyone
else
will.
A
A
A
F
That
was,
of
course,
go
through
the
speaker.
There
has
been
in
counselor
Georgio's
Ward
Nelson
Boylan
school,
which
is
currently
in
a
likely
a
process
of
disposition
from
the
public
board
to
the
Catholic
board,
and
we
are,
and
so
the
school
is
currently
closed
without
any
swimming
programs
going
on.
We
have
communicated
to
the
TC
DSP
that
once
they
acquire
the
school
and
a
property
that
we
would
be
interested
in
operating
the
pool
at
that
time,
so
we're
hoping
it's
not
a
permanent
closure
and
we're.
F
F
P
P
F
A
G
F
The
community
development
of
our
creation
committee
requested
that
City
Council
direct
the
executive
director
of
Social
Development
Finance
administration
to
include
swimming
pools
and
the
proposed
community
use
asset
utilization
model
being
considered
by
the
City
School
Boards
Advisory
Committee.
What.
F
N
N
N
G
F
A
J
J
F
J
F
The
speaker,
the
the
agreement
with
the
school
board-
and
this
is
the
second
or
third
rendition
of
it-
calls
for
the
city
to
pay
100
percent
operating
costs
of
the
pool
in
that
school.
Twenty
four
seven
twelve
months
of
the
year
and
and
to
access
that
pool
after
six
week
days
on
weekends
and
throughout
the
summer.
So.
F
Through
the
speaker,
I,
don't
have
a
figure
for
you
per
se.
I
can
say
that
in
in
in
pools
and
and
programs
where
we
have
fees
charged
for
the
most
part,
the
cost
of
the
program
is
caught.
The
direct
operating
cost
of
that
program
is
cost
recovering
in
certain
cases
where
you
don't
charge
fees,
obviously
there's
a
higher
for
those
programs.
So
now.
J
F
Speaker,
that's
correct.
We
have,
through
delegated
authority
of
extending
the
agreement,
had
an
agreement
with
the
Toronto
District
School
Board,
to
extend
the
agreement
for
two
years.
While
we
take
some
time
to
look
at
all
of
those
properties.
The
long
term
plan
that
the
GDS
Bee
has
around
a
variety
of
different
schools
and
Penn
than
a
ten-year
10-year
agreement.
At
the
end
of
that
two-year
period.
Now,.
J
F
J
Okay,
so
so
so
pence,
okay,
you!
So
then,
pending
the
outcome
of
that
assessment
of
the
capital
costs,
because
I
know
the
school
board
doesn't
really
have
the
money
to
pay
for
those
pools
for
the
ongoing
capital
maintenance.
We
will
then
look
at
doing
an
agreement
and
whether
and
how
will
it
be
determined?
You
know
how
many
of
these
pools
will
be
left
open.
Well,.
F
Through
the
speaker
and
as
we've
spoken
about
many
times
there,
many
of
the
pools
that
we're
using
currently
26
pools.
We
have
a
requirement
to
deliver
our
aquatic
program.
We
don't
have
city-owned
pools
to
help
deliver
those
programs,
so
part
of
the
service
planning
that
we're
doing
is
trying
to
assess
how
long
we
can
rely
on
those
pools
to
continue
delivering
our
programming
within
that
10-year
period.
So
we
can
do
our
own
capital
planning
around
our
needs
in
the
long
term.
So.
J
F
J
J
F
B
F
Correct
the
three
pools
are
Donald
Collegiate
Institute
for
a
total
cost
of
one
hundred
and
seventy
two
thousand
dollars
annually
the
Centennial
recreation
center,
which
is
referred
to
as
York
Memorial
secondary
school
for
a
total
cost
on
the
next
page,
two
hundred
nine
thousand
dollars
annually
and
the
FHA
Armstrong
pool,
which
is
that
the
Duke
of
Connaught
public
school
for
a
total
cost
of
one
hundred
and
forty
three
thousand
dollars
annually.
Thank.
B
F
B
B
F
Hard
to
say
at
this
point
through
the
speaker
is
the
Advisory
Committee
would
be
looking
at
the
high
level
pieces.
It
wouldn't
necessarily
be
looking
at
the
decisions
that
council
has
already
made
and
the
recommendations
we
made
within
that
budget,
which
were
based
on
the
current
usage
of
those
pools.
Okay,.