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City Council, meeting 31, July 5, 2017 - Part 4 of 4 - Evening Session
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0:12:21 - Meeting resume
A
A
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
music
so
before
the
recess
council
was
debating,
item
CD,
21.6
on
negotiations
of
the
community
center
exclusive
use
agreement
and
pool
agreement
between
the
city
in
Toronto
and
the
District
School
Board
and
SIA
Toronto.
We
were
well
returned
to
that
item
at
a
later
time.
So
members,
what
I'm
gonna
suggest
is
the
confidential.
A
We
have
one
timed
item
in
the
morning,
so
we'll
go
into
camera
after
that,
because
right
now,
I,
don't
think
there's
so
many
questions
and
on
this
report
and
the
staff
or
not
at
this
point
trying
to
gather
information,
so
I
would
suggest
that
we
continue
with
the
council
agenda.
Try
to
get
as
much
done
as
we
can
in
the
next
hour
and
15
minutes
and
then
come
back
tomorrow
and
we'll
go
in-camera
with
this
item
and
as
well
as
any
other
items
that
we
need
to
discuss.
In-Camera
is
that
okay,
with
members
of
council.
A
There
are
others,
III
I,
important
members
of
council
earlier
today
that
if
they
want
to
go
in-camera
and
I
need
the
items
they
held
down
to.
Please
let
the
clerk
know
so
I
don't
know,
has
the
clerk
had,
but
two
more
so
we
do
them
all
at
the
same
time.
Yes,
okay,
so
I
think
that
that
would
be
the
best
thing
for
us
this
evening.
B
A
B
C
B
A
C
E
B
B
On
page
nine,
thank
you
very
much.
Cc
30
speakers,
page
9,
CC
31.4,
yes,
damages
sustained
from
rising
lake
water
levels
and
restoration
plans
for
waterfront
parks
and
I've
heard
what
they're
going
to
do
to
get
the
bed
springs
out
of
Cherry
beach,
so
I'm
very
happy
to
know
they'll
be
removed
sometime
shortly.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
G
You,
yes,
speaker,
I,
have
two
on
page
six
of
the
blue
sheets:
first
PW
22.4,
new
provincial
waste
management
framework
legislation,
bill
151,
waste-free,
Ontario,
Act,
2016,
update
I,
have
a
motion
on
this,
which
I've
consulted
Oh
councillor.
Robinson
is
not
here,
but
I've
consulted
with
her
on
it.
She
thinks
it's
a
good
idea:
I've
consulted
with
staff
if
I
could
just
have
it
up.
G
So
this
is
the
council
direct,
the
general
manager,
solid
waste
management
services
to
report
back
in
September
meeting
of
Public
Works
on
a
list
of
proposed
principles
that
will
guide
the
discussions
negotiations
between
the
city
producers
of
designated
materials
collected
in
the
city's
waste
diversion
programs.
So
it's
simply
in
what's
happening.
The
legislation
is
being
reauthorized,
it
might
change
our
financial
relationship
for
the
blue
box
and
other
waste
management
programs.
A
G
Next
speaker
on
PW
22.5,
again
I've
spoken
to
councillor
Robinson
about
this.
This
is
the
front
yard
parking
regulations,
I've
even
spoken
to
councillor
palazzi.
Oh
I,
think
we
have
peace
in
the
valley.
Everyone
is
prepared
to
buy
into
what
I
call
the
holiday
compromise,
which
is
which
are
the
motions
that
he
moved
that
committee
and
were
adopted
at
committee,
so
I'm
prepared
to
release
it
and
just
vote
on
the
committee
recommendations.
A
G
A
C
H
I
You,
madam
Speaker,
on
page
5
top
of
the
page
CD
21.9
funding
formula
for
occupancy
grants.
I've
worked
with
councillor
Davis
and
the
CFO
on
this
amendment.
It's
actually
replacing
recommendation
number
2
that
City
Council
requests
the
general
manager,
Children's
Services
and
the
deputy
city
manager
and
chief
financial
officer
to
include
as
base
funding
pressure,
granting
grant
funding
for
occupancy
costs
and
childcare
centers
located
in
the
four
district
school
board's
for
consideration
in
the
2018
operating
budget
for
children's
services
with
other
city
priorities
and
to
continue
to
work
to
an
implement
alternative
funding.
A
B
J
You
Madame
speaker
page
10,
CC
31.2
268
days,
the
avenue
request
for
directions
regarding
on
Tara,
whistle
Board
hearing
we
have
the
report
came
forth
with
planning
recommending
settlement
I.
Do
we
want
to
thank
planning
staff,
our
director,
Neil
Cresswell,
and
also
our
heritage
staff,
sherry
Peterson
and
Georgia
Gulch?
So,
with
that
I'll
move
the
confidential
Derrick
officer,
I'll
move
the
staff
recommendation.
Okay,.
C
A
D
D
K
C
K
J
A
H
You
I,
madam
Speaker,
so
I
I
was
concerned
about
the
the
situation
here.
Simply
because
I've
had
a
number
of
closures
of
fools
in
my
area
and
I
was
going
to
try
and
move
a
motion
attached
to
this
particular
item
anyway.
My
questions
are
these:
so
with
the
opening
of
the
York
recreation
center,
we've
had
a
huge
demand
for
aquatic
services.
Is
that
correct.
H
C
H
H
Is
hard
to
tell
not
not
not
the
greatest,
but
on
the
on
the
on
the
so
what's
the
likelihood
that
when
people
have
trouble
accessing
programs
that
are
free,
that
the
waiting
lines
might
in
fact
rule
down
simply
because
people
get
disenchanted
disheartened
and
you
know,
sort
of
throw
up
their
hands
and
say
what's
the
use
of
applying,
we
never
get
in
any
way
through.
F
The
speaker,
I,
wouldn't
have
any
data
to
confirm
or
deny
the
statement.
We
do
know
that
many
people
are
on
multiple
waiting
lists
and
sometimes
they're
actually
on
waiting
lists,
while
they're
in
programs
as
well,
because
as
we've
noted
it
you
know,
all
of
our
waiting
list.
Management
systems
are
manual.
So
when
people
come
into
programs,
they
stay
on
the
waiting
list.
So
there
is
some
truth
to
all
of
that.
You
know
exactly
you
know.
What
would
happen
is
hard
to
determine
hey.
H
One
last
question:
is
there
any
indication
or
any
let's
say,
studies
that
have
been
done
or
monitoring
of
existing
situations?
Where,
because
programs
are
free,
people
tend
to
maybe
register
for
multiple
programs
don't
end
up
showing
for
the
programs
or
they
show
up
at
their
own.
You
know
discretion.
How
much
of
that
do
we
get?
In
other
words,
if
a
program
is
free
and
it's
accommodating-
let's
say
30
kids
do
we
do
we
see
that
the
classes
are
full
or
half
full
through.
F
The
speaker
in
in
the
areas
that
we
have
programs
in
the
community
centers
we
have
programs
are
free.
The
utilization
rates
are
higher
than
in
in
some
of
the
other
community
centers.
There's
no
question
about
that
as
and
the
waiting
lists
are
higher
as
well.
That's
that's
certainly
a
reality
of
that.
Just.
H
F
We
have
been
tracking
that
information
very
very
closely
and
we
do
have
a
system
in
in
these
free
programs
now
where,
if
there
is
non
attendance
from
money
that
has
registered
after
the
second
session
they're
notified
by
staff
and
if,
if
they
are
not
attending,
then
the
spot
is
offered
to
somebody
else.
So
we
are
trying
to
manage
those
through
that
management
process.
The
amount
of
that
double/double
registration
so
to
speak
or
registering
and
not
attending,
is
dramatically
reducing.
But.
H
F
H
H
H
F
B
B
I
could
name
five
or
six
of
them;
that's
definitely
most
lot
in
East
End
and
some
out
in
the
West
End
and
net,
and
some
of
the
other
schools
there,
and
so
that
some
of
the
other
legacy
cities,
those
Scarborough
and
North
York,
also
tend
to
use
their
high
schools
for
that
particular
purpose
as
well.
That
Old
City's
established
that
as
a
model.
Let's
say
it
through.
F
B
It
was
the
early
hub
model,
that's
correct.
It
was
the
early
hub
model
and
then,
when
we
add
child
care
at
the
school,
and
we
had
a
ox-
and
we
really
do
have
some
hubs
associated
with
some
of
the
pools
so
that
if
we
were
to
have
to
replace
all
those
pools
with
other
large
swimming
pools
such
as
councillor
DiGiorgio,
no
has
this
fantastic
new
priority
center.
If
we
were
to
do
that,
how
much
was
that?
How
much
did
that
cost?
By
the
way
the
York.
B
And
councillor
newsy,
our
speaker
champion
that
I
was
here
when
we
approved
that
many
years
ago
and
oh
when
she
was
mayor,
took
a
while,
so
it
actually
does
take
a
while
to
have
the
idea
build
the
large
community
center
get
the
money
and
open
it
up.
Twelve
twelve
twenty
years
from
start
to
finish
for.
B
B
The
idea
of
section
37
just
being
able
to
be
used
for
I
mean
the
city
built
the
pools,
sometimes
they've,
not
they
haven't
had
much
of
an
upgrade
since
we
built
them
the
showers
and
all
the
other
facilities
there.
The
hair
dryers
and
those
kinds
of
things
I'm
wondering
if
there's
been
any
thinking
that
section
37
could
be
used
for
those
pools
where
we
have
our
community
use
and
our
our
lease
agreements
where
we've
built
them.
F
The
speaker,
the
kernel
agreement
with
the
TDs
beyond
these
pools,
is
that
although
the
city
pays,
100
percent
of
the
operating
costs
for
these
pools,
including
the
time
that
the
schools
are
using
them,
the
TDs
beerus
is
responsible
for
the
the
larger
capital
requirements
of
the
envelope
of
the
entire
building.
But.
B
F
I
B
A
H
The
reality
is
that
I
faced
the
situation
where
I
had
one
high
school
closed,
a
neighboring
pool,
encounter
aaja
mary's
area
close
by
to
my
area,
has
also
been
closed.
Then
Centennial
was
closed
and
on
the
promise
that
this
new
recreation
center
would
fix
all
problems.
While
the
reality
is,
it
didn't
fix
the
problems
because
for
20
years
of
the
community
and
I'll
take
all
of
the
your
community,
not
including
them,
and
maybe
half
of
my
ward
we're
looking
for
this
community
center
to
come
on
stream.
And
what
happens?
H
Is
you
always
have
to
look
at
things
in
the
context
of
existing
service
levels,
and
once
this
new
community
center
comes
on
stream?
That
was
to
address
a
different
group
people
who
would
not
or
were
not
able
to,
because
my
community
and
constituency
Attis
community,
isn't
a
neighbor
a
priority.
Neighborhood
kind
of
situation,
we're
not
able
to
access
the
programs
that
were
available
on
a
paid
for
service
basis
in
some
of
the
schools.
H
So
primarily
the
Aquatic
programs
in
the
recreation
center
was
to
expand
the
people
that
we
would
reach
by
virtue
of
offering
the
services
there.
It
was
not
to
replace
or
reduce
existing
service
levels
in
some
of
the
other
pools
in
the
area,
and
so
that's
the
conundrum
I
found
myself
in
the
reality
is,
for
whatever
reason,
the
promised
community
center.
While
it
met
some
needs
of
various
groups,
it
took
it
reduced
the
needs
or
satisfaction
of
the
needs
of
other
groups,
and
so
there's
this
trade-off.
That's
been
introduced.
That
was
never
intended.
H
It's
one
of
those
unintended
consequences
and
I
don't
know
whether
other
words
experience
that,
for
example,
when
we
have
a
closure
of
a
school
in
my
area,
we
redevelop
that
here
at
that
site,
I've
got
two
schools
that
were
closed.
We
redeveloped
a
site,
that's
but
other
other
counselors
are
able
to
introduce
community
hubs
to
actually
enhance
services
available
and
I.
H
Don't
I
don't
get
that
community
hub
sort
of
for
whatever
reason
it's
not
even
thrown
out
as
an
option,
because,
again
in
some
areas
those
positive
options
don't
exist,
and
so
madam
Speaker
I
will
be
as
I
say,
introducing
hopefully
notice
without
motion
tomorrow
that
you
will
allow
both
introduction
and
adoption
by
Council
to
allow
me
to
look
at
this
particular
problem
in
closer
detail.
No
I
might
add
this
and
I
know
that
I
brought
this
to
the
attention.
H
Well
for
sure
the
mayor
and
the
budget
chief
York
Recreation
Center
was
supposed
to
open
up
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
Madam
Speaker,
you
will
remember
that
the
reality
is,
we
went
through
the
first
quarter
and
it
wasn't
open,
so
the
budgeting
for
2017
would
have
incorporated
in
the
budget.
Funds
saw
for
programs
in
the
first
quarter.
Those
funds
were
never
expended
and
so
I
suggested.
Let's
have
a
reallocation
of
those
funds
to
allow
the
extension
of
centennial
for
one
year.
H
So
I
believe
that
the
money
was
there.
Is
there
it's,
but
I'm
prepared
to
go
through
the
budgeting
process,
as
I
said
to
the
budget
chief,
that
I
would
do
to
see
whether
we
could,
but,
in
the
meantime,
what
I
would
urge
is
that
the
city
parks
department,
along
with
the
general
manager,
look
at
possibly
negotiating
an
extension
on
the
premise
that
the
monies
will
be
made
available
during
the
budgeting
process.
Thank
you.
L
C
B
Yes,
speaker
I'm,
just
going
to
go
over
some
of
the
things
that
I
had
mentioned
earlier,
in
particular,
some
of
the
models
that
we've
used
in
the
city
and
the
importance
of
maintaining
that
healthy
relationship
between
the
community
and
the
schools
and
in
I
I
noticed
that
in
Scarborough
they
have
the
city
of
Scarborough
and
the
School
Board
determined
that
they
would
use
what
were
newer
schools
with
fantasticness
to
be
the
center
of
the
community
for
swimming
and
the
same
in
North
York.
In
the
old
city
of
Toronto.
B
They
were
mostly
elementary
schools
where
those
pools
got
set
in
and
our
new
counselors
nodding
his
head
because
he
went.
He
lived
in
that
part
of
town
when
he
was
a
young
man
and
attended
our
community
centers
in
that
section,
and
that
these
are
really
they're
all
very
different
models,
but
they've
all
been
put
in
place
by
our
legacy
cities
for
a
really
important,
important
reason,
and
that
is
to
bring
these
services
to
the
community.
B
So
I'm
really
happy
actually
to
see
that
the
staff
and
the
school
board
have
gotten
so
far
to
stabilize
the
situation
around
pools
and
listen
to
the
public
that
really
and
truly
wants
to
have
swimming
as
a
core
physical
activity
in
the
city.
If
there's
anything
that
I
think,
we
need
to
do
and
I'm
very
interested
to
hear
that
conversation
from
councillor
Raja
Mary
and
some
of
the
needs
that
they're
noticing,
with
some
of
the
closed
schools,
it
has
to
do
with
development
in
neighborhoods
with
actually
not
having
the
census
done.
B
That
long-form
census
that
did
not
get
accomplished
a
number
of
years
ago
is
set
everything
behind,
as
it
was
forecast
that
it
would
and
it's
set
behind
how
many
young
kids
are
in
communities.
How
many
new
families
are
in
communities,
and
so
we
don't
have
some
of
that
information
at
our
fingertips
from
the
planning
side,
but
we
certainly
have
it
from
the
here's
the
school
side.
So,
as
I
didn't
interview
the
other
day
about
safety
at
a
school,
it
was
supposed
to
be
closed
in
2002
and
it
has
gone
from
400
students
to
900
students.
B
So
there
are
so
many
young
kids
in
our
communities
now,
whether
they're
in
the
condo
communities
or
in
our
kind
of
inner
suburb
areas
where
young
families
are
moving
in
having
their
kids
and
we
can't
we.
We
can't
afford
to
simply
be
removing
some
of
these
services
in
areas
where
there's
a
lot
of
development
and
I,
don't
think
I
will
be
able
to
say
this
tomorrow.
We
probably
won't
have
a
long
debate,
but
in
my
area,
that's
why
some
developers
came
forward
and
said
we
think
swimming
is
really
important.
B
We
know
the
people
buying
our
condos
want
their
kids
to
learn
to
swim,
and
we
will
make
a
donation
in
order
to
keep
this
little
pool
going
because
we
think
it's
important
and
they
have
and
that
the
that
motion
that
councillor
Grimes
and
councillor
Newt
zyada
are
bringing
forward
because
I
didn't
vote
for
the
budget.
So
I
can't
even
bring
forward
the
motion
to
to
do
that
at
this
council
meeting.
So
I
just
want
to
reiterate
how
important
swimming
is,
how
our
communities
feel
it's
very
important.
We
live
on
a
lake
we
live
on.
B
A
great
lake
kids
need
to
know
how
to
swim.
We
need
to
have
access,
we
need
to
build
our
programs,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
is
this
utilization
working
group
that
was
established
last
spring,
which
is
going
to
be
great.
It's
looking
at
ways
to
popularize
swimming,
you
know:
parents
and
others.
They
have
Facebook
pages.
They
have
social
media.
They
can
fill
things
up
in
a
way
that
it's
very
hard
for
us
just
to
put
up
a
flyer
and
say
we're
taking
registration.
They
are
connected.
B
That's
kind
of
the
new
way
of
doing
things.
Twitter
social
media,
Facebook,
Instagram,
and
this
little
community
filled
that
pool
up
to
90
percent.
The
parents
did
that
they
will
continue
to
do
that
because
they
believed
strongly
in
swimming,
and
sometimes
people
don't
realize
until
you
say,
hey
get
it
together.
B
A
A
E
G
Through
the
speaker
that
were
the
report
speaks
to
the
broader
community
and
service
review
process,
which
did
include
the
SH
Armstrong
programming's,
including
the
pool.
There
is
not
an
intention
at
this
point
and
I'm
happy
to
be
corrected
by
colleagues
to
set
up
a
specific
program
for
hope,
shelter,
users
so.
E
If
I
got
this
right,
M
historically
SH
Armstrong
delivered
an
average
of
840
program
hours
per
year
with
6700
program
visits
and
approximately
700
registrants
annually.
Does
that
intersect
or
have
anything
to
do
with
the
shelter?
Oh
I
just
want
to
understand
the
relationship
between
the
pool
and
the
shelter
and
I
I'm
having
some
trouble
with
the
report
here
so.
F
E
F
E
E
You
analyze
the
utilization
rate
over
time.
Should
this
continue
to
operate?
How
will
you
do
the
accounting
for
the
program
participants
that
come
from
the
shelter?
Will
you
add
them
into
the
utilization
rate,
and
is
there
a
methodology
you
know
I'm,
taking
it
being
a
shelter,
you
don't
necessarily
have
a
registration
for
a
full
length
program,
but
if
you
have
a
methodology
to
capture
those
clients
to
help
substantiate
the
utilization
rate
or
is
there
anything
any
plan
on
that
through.
F
E
F
E
F
B
We
had
a
report
and
I'm
looking
over
the
speaker
report
that
identified
one
of
the
AOC's
or
two
of
the
AOC's
to
undertake
some
programming
to
look
at
what
the
library
might
be
able
to
do
to
look
at
what
the
community
center
might
be
able
to
do
in
order
to
better
integrate
these
new
residents
into
the
community
and
I'm.
Just
asking
that
that
is
our
kind
of
new
model
we're
trying
to
find
resources
and
that
the
SH
Armstrong
Community
Center
is
one
of
those
places
and
I
believe
that
that
is
being
directed
to
so.
B
B
B
B
I
guess
when
there
is
no
community
liaison
committee
for
the
red
door,
which
has
relocated
on
a
temporary
basis
to
Girard
Street,
but
that
being
two
blocks
away
from
that
SH
Armstrong
Poole.
Would
you
not
think
that
that
might
be
also
an
opportunity
to
have
families
that
are
living
there
temporarily
be
able
to
access
and
have
some
form
of
swimming
activity
at
that
pool?
Yes,.
D
B
D
B
B
D
B
J
K
F
F
F
K
F
The
speaker
and
the
2017
budget
process,
we
noted
that
there
were
three
community
centers
within
less
than
2.1
kilometers
of
the
SH
Armstrong
community
center
of
Fairmont
Park
community
center
of
the
MIDI,
a
community
center
in
the
beaches,
Recreation
Center,
and
that
they
had
some
capacity
to
fill.
Some
of
to
fill
the
need.
Okay,.
K
So
this
wasn't
about.
Do
you
like
swimming?
Do
you
like
kids?
Do
you
not
like
kids?
You
know,
like
so
I
mean
you
looked
at
the
utilization
rate,
it
was
low.
You
didn't
believe
that
it
was
a
good
use
of
of
tax
dollars.
You
believe
that
we
could
support
other
programs
elsewhere
and
that
there
were
local
programs
for
this
community.
This
wasn't
alone,
though,
right
over
the
past
two
three
years,
you've
recommended
how
many,
how
many
public
schools
lose
funding
from
the
City
of
Toronto
for
aquatic
programming
through.
F
K
Short
term
well,
but
it
just
seems
like
those
two.
These
two
matters
are
hand
in
glove
right
because
we're
saying
so,
in
other
words,
the
only
I
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
of
all
the
the
you
know,
half
dozen
or
more
pools
in
last
two
or
three
years
that
you've
recommended
not
receive
city
funds
for
programming.
All
of
a
sudden,
there's
one
that
number
now
talking
about
providing
funds
for
and
support
for,
but
the
facts
haven't
changed.
Have
they
like
has
the
utilization
rate?
F
F
K
F
M
So
the
exact
same
thing
happened
to
me:
councillor
Matt
lo
asked
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
I
had
again
February.
In
February
we
had
our
city
council
budget
meeting,
where
we
decided
based
on
data
stats,
information
from
city
staff,
who
you
know
valiantly
put
forward
this.
This
idea
of
cost
savings
now
we're
several
months.
Just
a
few
months
later,
we're
looking
at
reversing
this
I
think
that
must
be
a
bit
demotivating
for
staff,
but
I.
M
Just
guess,
I
would
ask
the
question
that
I
think
I
heard
that
there's
actually
three
community
centers
within
2.1
kilometers
of
this
destination.
Is
that
accurate
through
the
speaker,
that's
correct,
so
I
wish
I
had
that
my
word
I
have
to
say,
because
I'm
very
limited
in
pools,
but
you're.
So
three
community
centers
with
pools
or
just
three
community
centers
with
activity
rooms
and
arenas
through.
M
F
M
F
L
To
the
general
manager
I
recall
a
few
years
ago,
when
the
Toronto
District
School
Board,
decided
to
close
23
pools.
There
was
a
great
deal
of
activity
in
all
of
those
neighborhoods
and
committees
were
formed
and
the
School
Board
and
others
worked
to
generate
new
permits
and
additional
use
in
a
number
of
schools
and
the
ministry
as
well
contributed
to
15
of
those
pools,
and
many
of
those
programs
were
saved
and
reinvigorated.
As
a
result,
would
you
say
that
was
an
accurate.
F
E
L
I'm
talking
about
through
the
budget
that
a
committee
was
formed.
Yes,
that's
correct.
Mr.
Vash
Armstrong
pool
yes
and
isn't
that
exactly
what
has
happened?
The
committee's
been
engaged
that
community's
been
engaged
and
others
have
made
contributions
to
revitalize
and
increase
the
utilization
of
this
pool.
That's
correct
and
that
was
counsels
direction.
L
L
F
L
Have
that
information
from
several
years
ago,
but
when
we
had
a
joint
committee,
we
have
no
records
at
that
point.
The
private
consultant
that
we
hired
to
do
our
pool
strategy
identified
1.2
million
swims
in
school
pools.
So
would
you
acknowledge
at
least
that
there
are
thousands
of
children
who
learn
to
swim
during
the
school
day
in
the
pools
we
fund?
Yes,.
L
Would
you
also
agree
the
swim
to
survive
program
which
we
participate
in
also
contributes
to
helping
kids
to
learn
to
swim,
who
might
never
have
learned
to
swim,
and
that
partnership
is
with
the
school
boards
that
is
absolutely
correct
and
that
having
a
partnership
with
the
school
board
to
use
the
school
pools
in
the
school
day
participate
in
joint
programs
and
use
it
outside
of
school
hours
actually
helps
to
have
more
children
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
Learn
to
swim.
I
would
agree
with
that.
J
You
so
I'm
just
going
to
follow
up
on
that
line
of
questioning
sorry
councillor,
Davis
I'd,
like
that,
my
opportune.
So
we
have.
This
is
back
to
the
the
general
school
agreement
this
this
school
or
this
particular
pool
Sh
Armstrong,
was
one
of
it
was
one
of
the
we
have
26
pools
that
we
fund
correct.
We
have
programs,
so
this
was
one
of
how
many
that
we
decided
to
shut
her
over.
F
F
J
F
Correct
so
we
have
staffing
cost
this
particular
site.
There
are
fees
associated
with
the
with
the
actual
instructional
swimming,
which
mostly
recover
the
costs
of
delivering
the
instructional
programming.
But
we
are
responsible
for
that.
Lease
cost,
which
is
above
that
direct
operating
cost
that
the
fees
recover
and.
F
F
J
Sorry,
I'm
more
specifically
whether
you
have
fees
or
not.
You
take
the
total
number
of
people
that
are
in
a
program.
You
take
your
cost
to
staff
and
then
you
and
then
you
come
up
with
an
actual
cost
to
the
city,
whether
it's
being
recovered
or
not,
sure.
What,
in
terms
of
that
analysis,
how
does
this
pool
shape
up.
F
F
J
Following
up
on
counselor
Davis's
question
about
increasing
the
opportunity
for
people
to
swim
in
the
city,
youth,
if
you
built
a
pool
and
a
hundred
people
use
of
the
year,
would
you
be
increasing
the
opportunity
for
people
to
swim?
It's
okay!
You
don't
have
to
answer
that.
My
next!
It's
okay!
My
next
question
this
utilized!
You
you,
this
utilization
rate
I,
think
you
mentioned.
J
F
J
F
J
Right
so
this
eighty
nine
percent
that
we're
talking
about
is
eighty
nine
percent
of
twenty
two
percent.
That's
correct
right
so
that
that's
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
hey
look
over
there
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
Really,
we
want
to
know
we're
paying
a
hundred
and
forty
three
thousand
dollars
for
this
least
cost.
If
you
will
and
it's
how
many
hours
are
we
using
you're
saying
we're
using
twenty
two
percent
of
our
available
time,
which
you
just
wanted
to
confirm.
That's
on
the
low
side
in
these
arrangements,
correct
yep,.
J
I
You,
madam
Speaker
I,
have
a
motion
that
I'd
like
to
a
move.
Please
deleting
recommendation
number
one
and
adopting
the
following:
that
city
councilor
across
the
general
manager
parks,
forests
in
recreation,
the
deputy
city
manager
and
chief
financial
officer
to
include
restoration
of
the
aquatic
programs,
including
program
for
Hope
shelter,
SH
Armstrong,
for
consideration
in
the
2018
budget
process
with
other
city
priorities
and
advise
the
Toronto
District
School
Board
of
the
council's
direction.
I
We
were
correct.
We
made
a
decision
on
this
last
year
as
part
of
the
budget
process.
It
was
a
difficult
decision,
I
think
not
mistaken.
I
think
there
was
an
amendment
that
lost
20
to
20
and
I
respect.
The
council
Fletcher's
been
doing
an
incredible
amount
of
work
to
try
to
get
the
program
back
into
a
sh
armstrong,
but
in
the
same
way
we
have
to
respect
the
process
of
the
budget
process
and
that's
why
I'm
moving
this
amendment
that
it
has
to
go
to
the
budget
process.
I
As
the
mayor
said
and
I've
said,
with
a
number
of
the
motions
coming
forward
today
that
we
need,
we
can't
be
looking
at
all
of
these
decisions
and
changes
that
will
be
impact
in
2018
unilaterally
one
on
one.
At
a
time
on
this
council
floor,
we
have
to
look
at
it
in
conjunction
with
everything
together.
Hence
I'm
moving
this
motion,
so
what
I
want
to
do
is
ensure
that
we
can
look
at
this.
I
A
K
Madam
Speaker,
if,
if
if,
if,
if
everyone
heard
the
answers
to
the
questions
that
I
asked
earlier
to
staff,
they
would
see
that
staff
provided
evidence-based
recommendations
on
why
this
fool,
this
pool
rather
did
not
merit
funding
from
the
city.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
be
supporting
pools
like
councillor,
Campbell
and
and
others
around
this
table
who
were
at
the
TV
SB
a
few
years
ago,
I
fought
tooth
and
nail
against
the
closure
over
80
pools
in
the
TDS,
be
because
I
believe
in
aquatic
programming.
K
I'm,
the
parent
myself
and
I
appreciate
how
deeply
important
aquatic
programming
it
is.
But
this
is
not
a
debate
over
whether
or
not
there's
going
to
be
aquatic
programming
in
this
community
or
not.
As
we
heard
from
staff,
there
is
there's
actually
a
generous
amount
of
access
to
aquatic
programming.
Certainly
relative
to
sorry.
Madam
Speaker
I
I
know
it's
the
end
of
the
meeting,
but
I
figure
I,
don't
even
know
if
you're
here,
madam
speaker,
that's
okay,
I'll
just
I.
K
Just
couldn't
even
hear
myself
at
that,
but
I'm
mad,
madam
Speaker
I'm,
making
the
argument
that
that
this
is
not
even
though
it's
been
characterized
by
by
a
counselor
as
sort
of
a
debate
around
whether
or
not
there's
going
to
be
a
kwatak
programming
in
this
in
this
community,
there
is
access
to
aquatic
programming
in
this
community.
However,
the
utilization
of
this
specific
pool
did
not
merit
the
funds
from
the
City
of
Toronto.
The
City
of
Toronto
should
not
be
supplementing,
whether
it
be
the
school
board
or
the
provinces.
K
Responsibility
to
support
I
believe
what
should
be
core
parts
of
Education
that
should
include
aquatic
programming.
That's
the
way
it
should
work.
The
City
of
Toronto
shouldn't
be
having
to
supplement
it,
but
we
do
we
do
in
26
cases.
But
you
know
two
or
three
years
ago,
I
was
approached
by
the
same
city
staff,
there's
a
joint
used
facility
in
my
community
in
Midtown
Toronto
at
Brown
public
school,
and
they
told
me
that
there
was
not
there.
Wasn't
the
evidence
to
support
providing
city
funds
to
continue
city
aquatic
programming
at
Brown.
K
I
could
have
gone
to
the
community
and
tried
to
rally
the
troops
and
organized
protests
and
and
and
done
all
that,
but
what
I
decided
to
do
is
I
went
and
I
told
the
community.
The
truth
I
told
them
exactly
what
I
heard
from
staff
that
it
was
I.
Think
roughly
three
people
per
hour
on
average
using
that
pool
didn't
make
sense.
It
wasn't
a
good
use
of
funds.
Why
don't
we
put
that
money
into
Hillcrest
going
to
North
Toronto
community
center
or
elsewhere,
where
where
people
would
actually
benefit
from
it?
K
It
would
be
a
good
use
of
our
investment,
and
you
know
what
my
community
did.
They
didn't
rally
a
protest.
They
were
concerned.
They
were
scared,
but
they
were
rational
and
they
were
factual
and
they
were
reasonable
and
thoughtful
and
they
they
don't
want
us
to
waste
tax
dollars.
They
want
us
to
invest
tax
dollars
wisely.
We
know,
what's
happened.
K
The
pools
still
there
Matt,
isn't
that
amazing,
the
TDSB
didn't
didn't
close
down
the
pool
the
pools
still
there,
the
kids
benefit
that
benefit
from
it
every
day
and
there's
still
aquatic
programming
in
the
general
vicinity.
I
believe
there
should
be
more,
but
I
believe
that
there
should
be
more
in
city
run
facilities.
That's
why
I
advocated
for
the
Davisville
Midtown
hub
that
we
supported
and
we're
moving
forward
with,
but
that's
the
way
it
should
work.
K
So
you
know
I've
said
this
too:
on
trains
that
I've
said
this
too
and
other
issues
and
it
shouldn't
be
sort
of
a
right
left.
Are
you
with
the
mayor
against
the
mayor
kind
of
dynamic?
Doesn't
matter
for
talk
and
transit,
we're
talking
pools,
let's
follow
the
facts.
Let's
follow
the
facts
and
the
facts
don't
support
putting
dollars
into
City
dollars
into
this
school
pool.
At
this
time.