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Economic and Community Development Committee, meeting 16, October 14, 2020
Agenda and background materials:
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A
A
Today's
meeting
is
being
held
by
video
conference
city
staff
are
also
connecting
to
the
meeting
by
video
conference.
As
city
hall
remains
closed,
the
public
will
continue
to
participate
electronically
and
can
watch
the
meeting
streaming
live
on
youtube
at
youtube.com,
backslash
toronto
city.
Council
live.
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A
Before
we
begin,
I
want
to
remind
everyone
about
the
important
health
and
safety
measures
that
we
must
follow
today.
All
in
persons
participants
have
been
seated
two
meters
apart.
Please
stay
in
your
designated
seat,
do
not
change
seat
or
sit
in
another
seat.
That's
not
been
assigned
when
entering
exiting
or
moving
about
the
room
you
must
wear
a
face
covering
sanitization
kits
has
been
provided
on
the
desktops
attendance
in
committee.
Room
1
is
limited
only
to
those
persons
who
are
required
for
the
meeting.
A
A
number
of
clerks
audiovisual
nit
staff
are
with
us
today.
Members.
This
is
a
paperless
meeting.
The
city
clerk
will
provide
all
agenda
materials
va
cmp
the
clerk's
meeting
portal.
I.T
staff
will
be
available
both
in
person
and
remote
members.
To
help
with
your
devices,
I
would
like
to
remind
staff
to
keep
their
mics
muted
and
their
videos
turned
off
unless
they
need
to
answer
questions
or
speak
to
the
committee.
A
This
will
make
it
easier
for
me
as
chair
and
for
those
watching
on
youtube
to
observe
members
as
they
participate
in
the
debate
and
vote
on
items.
Members.
Please
keep
your
mics
muted.
Unless
you
wish
to
question
staff
or
speak
to
an
item
and
ensure
that
your
video
is
turned
on
as
part
of
each
agenda
item,
I
will
ask
members
to
raise
their
hands
or
unmute
their
mics
if
they
wish
to
question
staff
or
speak,
I
will
then
create
a
speaker's
list
and
will
call
in
members
when
it
is
their
turn
to
speak.
A
When
voting
on
an
item
or
motion,
I
ask
that
members
ensure
they
turn
on
their
video,
if
applicable,
and
to
raise
their
hands
to
indicate
their
vote
members.
I
want
to
remind
you
that
whether
you
are
participating
in
today's
meeting
in
person
or
remotely
you
must
submit
and
approve
your
motions
by
email.
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If
there
are
any
members
visiting
members
of
council
attending
today's
meeting,
I
would
encourage
you
to
turn
on
your
videos
so
that
I
know
that
you
are
present
and
can
give
you
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
staff
or
speak.
This
will
also
assist
the
clerk's
staff
to
record
attendance
for
the
meeting.
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Although
we
are
in
different
locations
today.
The
committee
would
like
to
acknowledge
that
the
land
that
we
are
meeting
on
is
the
traditional
territory
of
many
nations,
the
mississauga
of
the
credits,
yenashwabi,
the
chippewa,
the
huda
shawnee
and
the
windads
people,
and
is
now
home
to
many
diverse
first
nations
inuit
and
metis
people.
A
A
Okay,
I've
seen
none
next,
we
need
to
move
a
motion
to
confirm
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
on
september.
The
8th
vice
chair
grimes
is
moving
the
motion.
All
those
in
favor
of
hands
opposed
that's
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
So,
let's
proceed
with
the
rundown
of
the
and
review
of
the
engine
at
the
agenda.
We
have
eight
items
on
the
agenda
and
I
understand
we
have
a
piece
of
new
business
from
councillor
cressie
and
we'll
get
to
that
momentarily
all
right.
A
The
first
item
is
ec,
16.1,
interim
shelter,
recovery
and
infrastructure
implementation
plan.
We're
going
to
be
holding
that
item,
we
will
be
having
a
presentation
from
staff,
and
we
have
a
number
of
registered
speakers
so
I'll
hold
that
down
and
we'll
be
hearing
from
marion
bernard,
the
general
manager
of
shelter,
support
and
housing
administration.
A
The
next
item
is
ec
16.2
and
just
before
I
can
read
it
out.
I
want
to
just
welcome
visiting
members
of
council
to
the
committee
councillor
paula
fletcher
good
morning
and
councillor
fletcher,
I'm
going
morning
good
morning.
I'm
going
to
be
holding
this
item.
Ec
16.2
apple
grove,
community,
complex
operation,
and
your
name
is
that
correct.
C
A
A
All
right
so
they're
going
to
work
on
that
in
order
to
raise
it
so
that
you
can
all
hear
me
better,
and
I
appreciate
council
cresley
bringing
this
matter
to
my
attention,
all
right,
moving
right
along
members.
The
next
item
is
ec:
16.3,
improving
the
imagination,
manufacturing,
innovation
and
technology;
local,
the
imet
local
employment
requirement
extension
of
a
pilot
program;
okay,
I'm
just
going
to
hold
that
down.
I
know
that
mr
williams
is
here
and
I'd
like
to
ask
him
just
a
couple
of
questions.
A
A
All
right
moving
right
along.
Our
next
item
is
ec
16.4,
the
feasibility
of
mitigation
efforts
to
prevent
misadventure
at
the
scarborough
bluffs.
I
know
that
councilor
ainslie
was
here
earlier.
He
does
not
have
any
questions.
He
has
been
raising
this
issue
for
some
time.
He's
indicated
that
we
can
move
it.
If
there's
no
speakers
on
the
item,
I'm
looking
to
the
clerks,
there
are
no
speakers
on
this
item
and
so.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
It's
held
in
your
name.
Counselor
lie.
Okay.
The
next
item
is
ec.
16.5
request
for
authority
to
exercise
option
years
on
contract
number
47020528
for
the
provision
of
firefighters,
structural
bunker
suits.
Councilor
carol
would
like
to
hold
that
item.
I
will
hold
that
in
your
name.
Counselor
carol,.
A
A
A
C
E
A
Okay,
fair
enough,
so
we
will
hold
that
in
your
name.
Counselor
lie!
Thank
you.
You're!
Welcome,
okay,
we'll
be
holding
that
item
all
right.
The
next
item-
council
crush
you
have
a
new
business.
Is
that
correct,
an
item
of
new
business,
which
is
understanding
the
impact
of
proposed
provincial
changes
to
the
child
care
to
child
care
on
toronto's
family
right?
This
is
the
five-year
review.
This
is
is
that
the
item
council
council,
cressie.
C
I
that's
correct
speaker.
The
the
province
recently
announced
proposed
changes
and
have
requested
feedback
from
stakeholders,
including
the
city,
and
so
this
is
a
letter
to
request
our
staff
to
report
back
to
committee
on
the
proposed
changes
as
part
of
the
five-year
review,
as
they've
done
in
the
past.
A
So
I'm
just
gonna
give
you
an
opportunity
to
read
it
and
as
we
progress
during
the
course
of
the
day,
please
when
we
get
to
it,
let
me
know
if
there's
any
particular
questions
or
concerns
you
may
have
directly
or
if
you
want
to
be
able
to
speak
to
staff
offline,
and
then
we
can
bring
that
forward,
because
this
may
help
to
facilitate
the
process.
Okay,.
D
I
I
might
even
be
able
to
speed
this
up
even
more.
I
I
think
deputy
city
manager,
ms
carboni,
was
probably
already
talking
about
this.
I
had
a
conversation
with
her
about
updating
us
on,
particularly
these
things:
the
community
side
of
economic
and
community
development.
So,
while
we're
dealing
with
the
shelter
housing
and
supports
today,
she
was
going
to
sort
of
bring
a
a
big
report
on
all
the
rest
in
november.
D
C
A
Thank
you,
council
girl,
but
just
just
to
add
to
that
that
the
deputy
city
manager
and
I
have
been
speaking
about
the
need
to
bring
forward
the
information
has
been
described
by
councillor
carroll,
so
this
information
was
coming
forward.
Additionally,
the
motion
that
you
put
forward
counselor
cressie,
which
is
very
helpful,
but
the
staff
were
going
to
sort
of
bring
that
forward
anyway.
So
this
is
all
if
you
will
bring
it
all
together,
we're
all
paying
attention
all
these
particular
issues.
A
So
this
is
very
helpful,
all
right
anything
further
on
this
particular
item.
So
all
those
in
favor
in
terms
of
adding
it
as
a
a
new
item
of
a
new
business,
oppose
that's
kerry,
fantastic.
That's
been
added
council
cressie,
all
right.
So
members
we
are
going
now
to
our
first
item.
We
start
with
item
16.1,
the
interim
recovery
and
interest
income,
shelter,
recovery
and
infrastructure
implementation
plan.
We
will
begin
with
a
staff
presentation
on
this
item.
A
F
The
actions
identified
in
the
plan
are
based
on
what
we've
learned
through
the
first
six
months
and
the
advice
that
we've
received
from
the
children
recovery
task
force
that
we
convened
in
partnership
with
the
united
way,
and
the
goal
is
to
ensure
that
the
shelter
system
is
positioned
well,
to
respond
effectively
to
a
resurgence
of
covet
19.
This
fall
and
in
advance,
renewing
our
focus
on
permanent
housing
solutions
and
also
providing
information
and
an
update
on
ssha's
2021
infrastructure
plan,
which
includes
a
progress
update
on
the
project
to
create
a
thousand
new
shelter
beds.
F
The
report
identifies
the
actions
that
were
implemented
in
the
first
phase.
What
was
successful
and
what
do
we
want
to
continue
on
in
the
coming
months?
These
measures
included
maintaining
physical
distancing
in
the
shelter
system
through
expanding
our
facilities
and
so
maintaining
those
those
programs
exploring
design
options
to
further
reduce
the
transmission
of
the
virus.
F
We
recently
implemented
a
directive
for
clients.
The
staff
have
been
wearing
masks
for
many
months,
we're
also
working
with
tph
and
other
healthcare
providers
to
provide
more
proactive,
ipac
support
to
our
many
community
partners
and
we're
continuing
to
enhance
our
strategies
for
outbreak
management,
including
maintaining
our
isolation
and
recovery
program
and
ensuring
that
we
continue
to
have
the
needed
staff
capacity
to
continue
operating.
These
extended
expanded
facilities
next
slide.
Please
the
task
force
identified
the
need
to
change
the
way
we
shelter
people
to
provide
covert,
safe
and
dignified
options.
F
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
the
current
situation
in
our
shelter
system,
so
overall
capacity
in
the
shelter
system
has
decreased
since
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
but
this
is
driven
to
a
decline
in
the
number
of
refugee
claimants,
primarily
families
in
our
shelter
system.
As
a
result
of
the
ongoing
border
closure,
the
number
of
refugees
in
our
filter
system
has
decreased
by
more
than
300
people
between
march
and
september.
F
So
as
the
demand
for
temporary
refugee
programs
has
decreased,
those
dedicated
programs
have
either
closed,
been
reduced
or
converted
for
use
for
the
overall
covid19
response
and
the
bed
capacity,
while
not
the
room.
Capacity
of
these
programs
understandably
has
reduced
because
as
they
transition
from
family
programs
to
focusing
on
singles
and
couples,
the
way
that
we
count
the
beds
changes,
because,
obviously,
when
a
family
uses
a
room,
it
typically
is
used
by
three
to
four
people,
as
opposed
to
when
it's
used
by
a
single
or
a
couple.
F
F
So,
as
you
can
see,
capacity
has
been
maintained
and
will
again
increase
this
coming
winter.
The
chart
the
last
bar
does
include
240
winter
spaces.
That
will
be
opening
next
month.
It
does
not
include
the
220
additional
spaces
that
will
become
available
when
people
move
out
into
the
upcoming
supportive
housing
opportunities,
thereby
freeing
up
their
space
for
use
by
another
client.
F
However,
we
continue
to
estimate
there's
about
400
people
that
remain
outside
living.
In
encampments,
we
remain
focused
on
the
safety
of
those
encampments
and
on
helping
people
staying
outdoors
to
move
into
indoor
spaces
into
shelter,
programs,
hotel
programs
and
housing
opportunities
streets
to
homes
will
continue
to
check
on
and
work
with,
people
who
do
remain
outside
and
will
distribute
sleeping
bags
and
blankets
during
extreme
cold
weather
next
slide,
please.
F
The
city
and
community
health
partners
acted
quickly
to
provide
enhanced
mental
health
case
management
and
harm
reduction
services
in
new
locations
where
they
were
urgently
needed.
As
an
interim
measure,
greater
funding
and
partnership
from
other
orders
of
government
is
needed
to
make
additional
longer-term
commitments
to
mental
health
and
addiction
services
that
is
scalable
across
the
broader
shelter
system.
F
F
F
An
annual
shelter
infrastructure
plan
is
presented
to
council
each
year
and
provides
a
progress,
update
and
plans
for
the
following
year.
As
a
result
of
the
changes
to
shelter,
standards
requiring
two
meters
of
distance
between
beds,
all
shelter
locations
are
operating
at
reduced
capacity
and
all
planned
new
shelters.
Opening
in
2021
are
currently
being
assessed
and
readjusted
to
ensure
that
they
comply
with
these
interim
shelter
guidelines,
but
this
has
resulted
in
a
forty
to
seventy
percent
reduction
in
capacity
in
the
currently
planned
shelters.
F
F
So
while
focus
on
creating
housing
opportunities
to
assist
people
exit,
the
shelter
system
is
a
key
part
of
our
recovery.
It
is
also
critically
important
that
we
focus
on
preventing
people
from
becoming
homeless.
In
the
first
place,
we
have
heard
very
clearly
that
there
are
concerns
about
the
potential
cobit
19
economic
impacts,
contributing
to
housing
instability
in
the
coming
months,
in
an
effort
to
respond
to
anticipated
increase
in
demand
for
rent
back
rent
bank
loans
for
rental
arrears.
The
city
has
expanded
our
rent
bank
program,
which
provides
one-time,
no-interest
repayable
loans
to
eligible
low-income
households.
F
Next
slide,
please.
We
know
that
systemic
racism
contributes
to
discrimination
and
there
are
unique
challenges
for
black
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
our
services
and
our
recovery
needs
to
recognize
and
address
these
because
they
can.
They
continue
to
contribute
to
anti-black
racism,
and
we
need
to
confront
those
issues
and
dismantle
a
system
of
racism
that
has
been
present
for
many
years.
F
We
will
also
work
with
our
confronting
anti-black
racism
unit
and
black
led
service
providers
to
advance
these
recommendations
identified
through
the
recovery
strategy
and
the
engagement
process.
We
will
collect
and
act
on
data.
We
will
center
the
voices
of
black
individuals,
including
service
users
and
black
leaders
in
the
community.
F
F
We
have
grown
the
safety
net,
but
we
have
not
created
the
pathways
out.
Ending
chronic
homelessness
is
possible
and
it
is
a
key
part
of
the
vision
of
housing
to
to
achieve
a
well-functioning
housing
system
where
homelessness
is
prevented
whenever
possible
and
when
it
does
occur.
The
experience
is
rare,
brief
and
non-reoccurring.
F
F
In
the
same
way,
the
pandemic
highlighted
the
urgent
need
for
enhanced
coordination
across
systems
to
work
together
to
protect
people's
lives
from
the
virus
longer
term.
Solutions
to
end
homelessness
will
also
require
leadership
and
collaboration
across
all
orders
of
government,
all
sectors
and
all
community
stakeholders.
We
have
to
all
row
in
the
same
direction.
A
A
I
will
review
that
comment
again
later
on,
so
it
confirms
for
everyone
in
terms
of
the
process
and
the
amount
of
time
that
they
actually
have
to
speak
and
and
members
of
committee,
you
will
have
an
opportunity
to
question
miss
bredard
at
at
the
conclusion
of
the
public.
Speaking
on
this
item,
the
first
speaker
that
I
have
to
speak
on
the
shelter,
recovery
and
infrastructure
implementation
plan-
and
I
hope
I
get
his
name-
the
name
properly.
It's
basset
king
new
toronto,
ratepayers
association
good
morning-
are
you
there?
A
A
Thank
you
for
being
here,
and
you
have
five
minutes
to
speak
and,
as
you
get
closer
to
the
end
of
your
time,
with
30
seconds,
left
I'll
inform
you
of
the
fact
that
you
have
30
seconds
and
at
the
conclusion
of
your
remarks,
members
of
committee
may
have
questions
for
you,
so
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
you're
available
to
respond
to
their
questions
if
there
are
any.
So
thank
you
again
for
being
here.
We
appreciate
you
participating
in
this
meeting.
You
now
have
five
minutes
to
present
your
views
on
this
particular
report.
G
You
very
much
so
vashti
came
from
the
new
toronto
repairs
association.
I
appreciate
being
here
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
many
residents
and
business
owners
of
new
toronto
on
this
call.
You
may
hear
from
people
who
do
not
live
in
toronto
and
have
no
vested
interest
in
our
community
or
from
people
who
would
rather
put
homeless
people
in
emergency
shelters
than
getting
them
into
long-term,
affordable
housing.
G
That's
not
this
group,
1700
residents
and
business
owners
in
this
community
have
signed
the
attached
petition
opposing
the
shelter
at
this
location.
We
strongly
oppose
the
locations
at
2950
and
2970
lakeshore
boulevard
west,
at
our
main
commercial
intersection
in
new
toronto,
for
use
as
a
shelter.
We
do
not
dispute
the
need
for
shelter
beds
in
ward,
3
or
anywhere
else
in
the
city,
and
we
recognize
the
need
to
support
marginalized
and
vulnerable
populations
in
our
city,
especially
during
the
pandemic.
G
We're
overwhelmingly
united
as
a
community
in
opposition
of
a
shelter
in
the
heart
of
neutron's
small
commercial
strip,
since
the
site
would
not
be
available
for
at
least
two
years,
it
would
not
serve
people
in
need.
Now
we
urge
the
committee
to
reconsider
the
purchase
of
these
properties
and
use
these
sites
for
ground
floor,
commercial
use
and
permanent,
affordable
housing
through
the
freedom
of
information
act.
It's
been
discovered
that
the
city
is
proposing
to
purchase
the
property
for
13.8
million
dollars.
G
This
does
not
include
a
significant
additional
investment
required
to
renovate
these
derelict
1950
commercial
buildings.
The
current
owner
purchased
the
large
office
building
in
2017
for
four
million
dollars
and
combined
assessed
value
is
5.3
million.
We
don't
understand
how
the
committee,
the
city,
can
justify
paying
two
to
three
times
fair
market
value,
on
top
of
paying
a
premium
for
commercial
buildings
at
a
main
commercial
intersection
for
temporary
shelter,
housing
which
in
itself
costs
the
city
significantly
more
to
operate
than
affordable,
permanent
housing,
paying
a
premium
to
locate
shelter
at
new
toronto's.
G
G
In
addition,
the
site
selection
criteria
does
not
include
a
scan
of
other
provincially
supported,
shelters
and
programs
that
are
already
established
in
neutron.
Locating
a
shelter
on
at
29,
50,
29,
70,
lakeshore
boulevard
west
to
serve
a
transient
male
population
would
be
a
direct
safety
and
privacy
concern
with
the
women's
habitat
intake
facility,
a
mere
96
meters
away
and
shares
a
back
alley
with
that
site,
as
would
locating
or
co-locating
a
women's,
only
shelter
at
a
main
commercial
intersection
which
would
not
provide
the
needed
privacy
and
security.
G
This
simply
is
the
wrong
site
for
shelter.
It
is
a
good
site
for
commercial
use
and
affordable
housing
at
best.
Shelters
are
a
band-aid
solution
for
homelessness.
Affordable
housing
provides
a
durable,
long-lasting
solution
to
homelessness
at
a
lower
cost
per
person,
which
allows
more
clients
to
be
helped
for
the
same
investment.
G
People
need
to
be
moved
out
of
the
shelter
system
and
into
affordable
support
of
housing,
while
emerging
responses
to
homelessness
are
critical
to
provide
crisis
support
in
the
short
term.
These
buildings
will
not
be
available
for
two
years
integrating
a
commercial
aspect
on
the
main
floor
to
provide
much-needed
job
opportunities
or
supported
services.
30.
G
G
We
urge
the
city
to
provide
to
find
a
more
appropriate,
less
expensive
site
to
locate
a
shelter
in
ward
3,
and
if
the
city
does
close
on
this
purchase
of
the
buildings,
we
urge
the
city
to
retain
commercial
space
on
the
ground
floor
for
social
services
and
to
construct
permanent,
affordable
housing
on
the
upper
floors
that
will
attribute
the
long-term,
sustainable
community,
integrated
and
lasting
solution
to
homelessness
in
the
city
of
toronto.
Thank
you.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
good
morning,
vashti
thanks
for
your
presentation
this
morning,
and
I
think
you
answered
all
my
questions
and
your
in
your
reputation.
So
you
would
you
believe
I
know
you
can't
speak
for
everybody,
but
you
you
believe
that
your
organization
would
support
the
support
of
housing
on
the
site.
Yes,.
G
I
do
I
believe
that
people
would
be
much
more
supportive
of
that,
especially
when
the
current
owner
had
proposed
to
construct
two
floors
of
commercial
space,
tear
down
the
buildings
construct,
two
floors
of
commercial
space
and
95
rental
units.
The
city
had
rejected
that
zoning
application,
but
there
was
overwhelming
support
in
our
neighborhood
to
have
rental
apartments
at
that
site.
H
G
H
G
I'm
aware
of
the
report
from
from
planning
that
does
reject
it
for
height
restrictions,
citing
a
four-story
height
restriction,
despite
there
being
three
other
buildings
that
are
city-funded
supported,
housing
that
are
eight
plus
stories
on
lakeshore
in
the
same
zoning
area.
And
so
I
do
have
that
report
from
planning
that
does
reject
that
site
for
density,
as
well
as
a
height.
A
A
A
In
your
remarks,
I
will
just
let
you
know
that
it's
30
seconds
left
and
members
of
committee
may
ask
you
questions
at
the
duration
of
your
comments
and
your
remarks,
and
I
wish
again
to
thank
you
very
much
for
participating
in
this
very
important
discussion
on
the
shelter,
recovery
and
infrastructure
plan.
Thank
you.
You
may
begin
you
have
five
minutes.
I
We
are
here
to
support
item
ec
16.1,
the
shelter
recovery
and
infrastructure
implementation
plan
and,
as
we
noted
at
the
planning
and
housing
committee
last
month
when
it
was
first
tabled,
we
agree
and
I'm
quoting
from
the
report,
that
the
solution
for
individuals
experiencing
homelessness
during
a
pandemic
is
the
same
solution.
They
need
to
avoid
an
exit,
homelessness,
safe
housing
that
they
can
afford,
and
that
provides
them
with
the
support
they
need.
I
In
other
words,
these
would
be
our
priorities
to
pivot
the
remaining
resources
and
opportunities
in
the
existing
plan
to
build
a
thousand
new
shelter
beds
to
supportive
housing.
This
is
a
game-changing
shift
that
is
needed,
that
is
supported
by
the
alliance
and
our
hundreds
of
partners
across
the
city
and
one
which
allows
the
city
to
maximize
the
value
of
new
federal
capital
funds.
I
We
trust
that
the
tah,
as
well
as
people
with
lived
experience,
will
be
closely
involved.
We
bring
experience
from
a
variety
of
sectors
and
funders
to
the
table
and
can
coordinate
community
and
agency
collaboration,
as
we
have
been
doing
with
the
modular
housing
initiative.
To
date,
three
to
increase
the
provincial
role
in
making
the
shelter
health
services
framework
first
developed
with
the
toronto
area
lens
in
2018,
a
true
reality
and
four
that
we
work
with
the
province
to
end
discharges
into
homelessness
from
provincial
institutions
such
as
hospitals
and
correction
facilities.
I
I
They
work
quickly
and
well
for
people
who
only
need
some
income
support
to
secure
their
own
housing
again,
and
we
understand
that
opportunities
exist,
with
both
advocacy
to
the
other
orders
of
government
to
make
the
canada
ontario
housing
benefit
more
useful
and
to
enhance
toronto's
own
housing
allowance
program.
The
hab
we
will
advocate
alongside
the
city
as
we
always
do
and
are
doing
right
now,
for
these
additional
housing
benefit
resources.
I
I
We
know
that
at
least
the
third
people
experiencing
homelessness
have
their
first
encounter
in
their
youth
63
of
those
sleeping
rough.
Having
done
so,
it's
an
intro
instructive
statistic
and
tells
us
that
if
we
address
youth
homelessness
seriously
the
differential
strategy,
we
can
end
homelessness
overall,
thank
you
by
stopping
that
inflow
from
people
from
youth
into
adult
homelessness.
I
A
A
All
right
have
a
nice
day.
Our
next
speaker
is
melissa.
Goldstein.
Are
you
there
melissa?
Yes,
yes
good
morning,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
to
speak
to
the
economic
and
community
development
committee.
You
have
five
minutes
to
speak
at
the
four
minutes
and
30
seconds
mark.
I
will
inform
you
that
it's
30
seconds
remaining
at
the
conclusion
of
your
remarks.
Members
of
the
committee
may
ask
you
questions,
so
I
just
wanted
to
prepare
you
for
that,
but
I
think
you're
aware
of
that
you're.
No,
I
don't.
A
I
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
this
opportunity
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
melissa,
goldstein
and
I'm
a
concerned
resident
and
an
affordable
housing
and
homelessness.
Advocate
in
september,
I
spoke
at
the
planning
and
housing
committee
meeting
about
the
fact
that
the
shelter
recovery
strategy
didn't
include
a
realistic
plan
to
ensure
that
people
and
encampments
survived
winter,
and
I
outlined
what
I
saw
as
the
city's.
Only
three
options
at
the
meeting
ssha
assured
the
committee
that
its
winter
service
plan
would
be
out
shortly
to
address
the
issues
that
I'd
raised.
I
Well
now,
it's
two
weeks
later
and
we
have
a
winter
service
plan
that
still
won't
ensure
that
people
and
encampments
survive
the
winter.
Not
only
that,
but
there's
no
plan
to
avoid
the
massive
humanitarian
crisis
that
will
result
should
the
provincial
government
not
intervene
and
stop
the
tens
of
thousands
of
toronto
tenants
with
rental
arrears
from
being
evicted.
I
The
winter
service
plan
is
premised
on
an
estimate
of
the
current
population
of
homeless
people
350
to
400.
That
is
far
less
than
the
one
thousand
to
fifteen
hundred
people
estimated
by
people
on
the
front
lines,
and
it
aims
to
accommodate
the
same
additional
number
of
people
as
ssha
plans
to
accommodate
every
winter.
Even
though
the
situation
this
year
is
so
much
worse.
I
I
The
plan
implies
that
there
are
hundreds
of
vacant
spaces
in
the
shelter
system,
yet
when
people
call
to
access
spaces,
they're
turned
away
the
plan
talks
about
a
cobia,
19
response
strategy
for
outreach
and
encampments
undertaken
by
the
city
and
community
partners,
yet
we
haven't
seen
any
evidence
of
their
efforts,
including
the
delivery
of
water
by
streets
to
home
staff.
The
plan
details
an
encampment
clearing
protocol
that
respects
people's
human
rights.
However,
there's
considerable
evidence
that
this
protocol
is
not
being
followed,
or
at
least
not
consistently.
I
Those
ignored
residents
of
encampments
have
not
been
engaged
at
all
in
participating
in
solutions
to
serve
them.
They're
not
treated
as
essential
partners
in
some
planned
claims,
but
is
blights
to
be
cleaned
up.
Let
me
make
it
very
clear:
people
will
buy
unless
a
significantly
better
winter
service
plan
is
developed.
We
need
a
plan
for
what's
needed,
what's
expected
and
what
may
come
the
fact
of
the
city's
response
to
the
current
pandemic
crisis?
I
Ssha's
lack
of
contingency
planning
basically
guarantees
that
if
the
province
doesn't
restore
the
moratorium
on
evictions,
there
will
be
a
massive
expansion
of
homeless
encampments
across
the
city
and
a
massive
humanitarian
crisis
in
the
middle
of
winter.
Even
if
a
moratorium
is
reinstated,
a
plan
to
prevent
evictions
will
still
be
required
if
tenants
don't
receive
the
rent,
relief
or
funds
for
their
unpaid
rent.
I
While
ssha
has
prepared
a
plan
that
is
limited
to
the
funds
they
have
available,
they
should
have
developed
an
evidence-based
plan
that
adequately
responds
the
actual
need
and
plans
to
address
possible
future
scenarios
detailing
the
money
and
resources
needed
to
implement
these
plans.
Without
this
information,
council
is
unable
to
secure
or
a
lot
of
funds
needed
to
adequately
respond
to
the
current
homelessness
situation
and
to
address
future
emergencies,
because
it's
30
seconds
would
be
and
how
much
it
would
cost.
I
A
A
J
A
Wanted
to
welcome
you
to
the
meeting
of
the
meeting
the
economic
and
community
development
committee
meeting.
You
have
five
minutes
to
speak
when
you
get
to
the
four
minutes
and
30
second
mark.
I
will
let
you
know
that
you've
got
30
seconds
less
left
and
at
the
end
of
your
remarks,
members
of
committee
may
have
questions
of
you
so
welcome
to
to
the
economic
and
community
development
committee
meeting
and
you
may
proceed.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
hello,
my
name
hello.
My
name
is
ali
khan
kobani
and
I'm
a
dedicated
musician
and
long
time
tenant
in
parkdale.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
I
care
deeply
about
my
neighbors
and
trying
earnest
to
support
the
struggles
of
those
less
privileged
than
me
when
the
pandemic
hit.
H
The
nature
of
these
struggles
became
even
more
acute
and,
as
a
result,
an
ad
hoc
group
of
unpaid
community
members
called
the
encampment
support
network
was
formed,
of
which
I'm
apart,
we
have
spent
the
last
four
odd
months,
delivering
basic
humanitarian
aid
to
12
encampments
to
fill
a
void
left
by
the
city.
We
are
not
doing
this
work
to
advance
ourselves
or
our
careers,
as
many
of
us
are
artists
whose
very
sense
of
purpose
has
been
put
on
hold.
H
Nor
am
I
here
to
defend
my
peers,
who
share
my
class
position
as
some
have
and
will
demonstrate
today.
We
do
not
want
to
have
to
exist
at
all
and
in
fact
take
this
question
so
seriously
that
we
vote
periodically
on
whether
to
disband
while
any
sort
of
recognition
is
not
why
we
operate.
We
understand
why,
to
date
the
words
encampment
support
network
have
not
escaped
the
lips
of
any
city.
Councillor
or
official.
H
An
acknowledgement
of
our
existence
would
constitute
a
tacit
admission
of
the
city's
neglect
in
this
six-page
winter
service
plan.
The
term
harm
reduction
appears
12
times,
I'm
heartened
to
see
the
need
to
reduce
harm
front
and
center
in
the
document
and
would
like
to
offer
feedback
on
ways.
This
can
be
accomplished
more
effectively.
H
First,
the
city
must
cease
encampment
evictions
immediately.
The
document
states
quote
before
an
encampment
is
cleared
by
a
city
division
responsible
for
enforcement.
Outreach
workers
attend
the
site
to
offer
options
of
interim
or
permanent
housing,
motels
or
hotels,
shelter
or
respite
spaces,
to
individuals
to
access,
shelter
and
support.
If
an
encampment
is
vacated
by
individuals,
choosing
to
access,
shelter
or
housing
or
to
relocate,
the
site
is
cleaned
by
city
staff.
End
quote:
this
is
not
what
we
have
been
seeing
and
documenting
on
the
ground.
I
have
been
forced
to
console.
H
I
have
been
forced
to
console
elderly
residents,
as
they
beg
in
tears
for
parks
ambassadors
to
allow
them
to
collect
their
meager
belongings,
including
their
phone
id
and
winter
clothing,
to
no
avail
before
their
homes
are
callously
tossed
into
a
dump
truck.
This
has
to
stop
even
if
encampment
residents
have
refused
alternative
offers,
which
in
many
instances
is
not
even
the
case
as
they
have
merely
left
their
tent
momentarily
to
conduct
daily
affairs,
they
should
be
allowed
the
dignity
of
choosing
to
stay
where
they
are.
H
There
are
many
good
reasons
why
they
might
make
this
choice.
Leaving
aside
the
justifiable
concerns
around
the
scientifically
demonstrable
coveted
risks
in
congregate,
settings
and
the
strict
curfews
in
place
which,
if
broken,
come
with
the
penalty
of
eviction
back
onto
the
streets
and,
frankly,
cruel
disposal
of
one's
belongings
such
as
tents,
sleeping
bags
and
winter
clothing.
Some
houseless
people
suffer
from
addiction
challenges.
The
document
states
quote
the
city
and
our
community
health
partners
have
acted
quickly
to
provide
enhanced
mental
health
case
management
and
harm
reduction
services
in
new
shelter
locations
where
they
are
urgently
needed.
H
H
The
document
also
states
that
quote
streets
to
homes,
outreach
teams,
provide
water
to
individuals
and
encampments,
and
and
as
well
as
health
and
harm
reduction
supplies.
End
quote:
we
have
documented
violent
drug
raids
in
the
dead
of
night,
on
encampments
by
the
tps,
who
also
sit
on
the
city's
encampment
operations
working
group,
as
well
as
the
steering
committee
for
the
city's
response
to
encampments
the
same
teams,
which
include
the
city
divisions
tasked
with
distributing
harm
reduction
supplies
to
drug
users.
This
contradictory
alliance,
in
my
view,
is
a
grotesque
breach
of
privacy
and
amounts
to
entrapment.
H
The
city
boasts
that
it
quote
has
moved
more
than
850
people
from
encampments
into
safe
indoor
spaces.
End
quote
and
warns
about
a
quote
misperception:
that
living
outdoors
is
a
safer
alternative
to
staying
in
a
congregate.
Setting
end
quote,
however:
the
800
figure,
the
850
figure,
conveniently
includes
the
significant
volume
of
people
who
have
since
voluntarily
left
the
so-called
safe
indoor
spaces
provided
by
the
city
to
return
to
living
outdoors
for
myriad
reasons,
including
those
I
listed
earlier,
the
document
estimates
that
there
are
between
350
to
400
people
living
in
tents
and
have
planned
accordingly.
H
A
H
At
a
planning
and
housing
committee
meeting
a
few
weeks
ago
after
hearing
many
meticulously
crafted
arguments,
exposing
the
lack
of
urgency
in
the
city's
housing
strategy,
a
counselor
intimated
that
their
desire,
a
counselor,
intimated
their
desire
to
see
us
come
together
as
torontonians
to
make
demands
of
the
provincial
and
federal
governments
as
a
united
front.
It
is
my
contention
that,
in
order
to
do
this,
we
must
first
all
be
on
the
same
page.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Just
looking
to
see,
if
there
are
any
questions
of
you,
I
see
none.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
Okay
members.
We're
now
going
to
ask
miss
badard
to
come
back
and
prepare
for
questioning.
The
first
question
I
have
is
as
counselor
grimes
counselor
grimes
you'll
have
five
minutes.
I
wonder
if
we
can
reset
the
clock.
Please,
okay!
Thank
you.
Council
grimes,
you're
on.
H
H
He
said
state
I
want
to
fire
people
up
at
the
stadium,
so
so
I
want
to
talk
about
29.50,
29.70
and-
and
I
guess
the
rest
so
recommendation
number
four
and
five
is
going
to
allow
you
to
take
the
money
that
has
been
earmarked
for
shelters
to
look
to
go
to
their
supportive
housing.
Correct
that
number
four
and
five
are
going
to
help
you
to
redirect
some
of
those
monies
to
go
to
the
supportive
housing
correct.
H
F
That's
correct
councillor.
Typically,
the
process
has
the
city
securing
a
site
that
meets
the
zoning
requirements
for
a
municipal
shelter
and
then
engaging
with
the
community
about
six
to
nine
months
prior
to
opening
about
the
successful
integration
into
the
community,
and
typically
that
includes
community
space
in
our
new
shelters
and
how
the
community
would
like
that
community
space
used.
H
Great
so,
with
regards
to
there's
been
talk
out
there
about
the
city
per
the
city
has
purchased.
A
council
has
approved
the
purchase
of
this
site
to
be
clear,
correct
it
just
hasn't
closed
yet.
But
there's
no
vote
on
on
this
council
has
already
approved
the
funding
to
to
purchase
29,
50
20,
correct.
H
Great,
I
know
this:
we
don't
can't
talk
about
the
price
that
was
paid
for
it's
still
confidential,
but
there's
numbers
being
thrown
out
by
one
of
our
one
of
our
deputy
state,
throwing
a
number
out
there.
Can
you
explain
the
process
when
the
city
does
your
division
purchase
a
property
that
it's
fair
market?
Could
you
maybe
explain
the
process
to
be
clear.
F
H
I'll
tell
you
I'll
come
back
back
to
panasonic,
okay,
but
I
did
like
recommendation
number
nine.
Is
we
have
the
medical
correctional
facility?
So
what
is
the
current
practice
now
that
the
province
has
when
discharging
someone
from
a
prisoner
or
a
hospital?
What
is
the
current
personality
dish?
They
walk
out
with
no
plan
at
all.
F
H
And
then
you're
in
your
reputation,
I
heard
you
know:
we've
doubled
the
capacity
in
the
last
five
years.
How
do
we?
Why
do
we
see
that?
I
know
we've
talked
about
this
before,
but
the
women,
the
woman
that
came
from
brampton
they
put
her
in
a
cabbage,
send
it
to
toronto.
But
what
do
we
see
the
is.
Why
are
we
doubling
our
capacity
in
the
last
five
years?
In
your
mind,.
F
H
Great
and
on
that
note,
you
helped
me
in
2019
drafting
the
problems
about
look
other
shelters,
talk
to
the
premier
about
it
yesterday
about
looking
at
hamilton
and
mississauga
and
whitby
and
oshawa,
and
barry
to
build
shelters
just
not
only
in
toronto.
How
are
those
talks
going?
I
know
it's
a
crazy
time
right
now.
Have
they
progressed?
Are
they
still
on
the
books.
F
G
A
H
A
B
We'll
work
with
ssha
and
a
broker
to
find
a
suitable
site,
we'll
analyze
the
site
based
on
size,
location,
zoning
and,
of
course,
meeting
the
program
requirements
so
and,
of
course,
asking
price.
So
once
we've,
you
know
narrowed
it
down
to
a
short
list
of
sites
or
a
specific
site,
we'll
engage
with
a
professional
appraiser
and
use
our
own
appraisal
staff
to
determine
what
what
a
fair
market
value
is
and
use
that
as
part
of
our
negotiations.
A
D
F
D
Okay,
so
so
basically
it's
what
we
can
do
is
in
here,
but
things
like
like
opening
the
better
better
living
center.
If
we
need
them,
the
additional
warming
centers
things
like
that,
actually
do.
Well,
it's
not
ideal
it
it's
it's.
As
far
as
we
can
go
with
our
funding.
There
are
some
some
additions
to
our
ability
to
respond
in
the
winter
this
year,.
F
Of
course,
as
the
as
a
deputy
also
noted
this,
we
are
significantly
over
budget
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We
anticipate
shelter,
support
and
housing
will
have
spent
165
million
dollars
more
than
our
budget,
and
so
these
are
very
difficult
things
for
city
council
to
to
grapple
with
yeah,
but
we
have.
We
have
options
available
to
us.
D
Okay
and
last
question,
mr
chair,
so
when
you
say
scalable
between
the
the
state
of
emergency
permissions
and
permissions
that
council
has
given
in
the
past,
you
know
scaling
up
using
extraordinary
locations
like
the
better
living
center
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
You've
got
the
permissions
you
need.
So
if
you,
if
you
need
to
scale
up,
you
can
on
pretty
short
notice.
C
C
F
F
The
the
question
is,
though,
that
those
are
housing
dollars
meant
to
be
for
housing
solutions,
and
so
we
are
using
them,
in
fact,
for
health
care
solutions
and,
and
that
should
be
a
separate
funding
source,
but
it
is
only
right
now
available
in
limited
locations.
Some
of
our
larger
new
temporary
hotel
locations.
F
That
is
right,
counselor,
and
this
was
part
of
our
new
shelter
model
that
was
introduced
when
with
a
thousand
bed.
Was
that
not
only
would
we
build
new
shelters
that
promoted
dignity
and
privacy,
but
that
we
would
wrap
a
program
around
that
ensured
better
outcomes
and
a
significant
portion
of
that
was
the
required
health
supports
that
needed
to
be
delivered
on
site
in
all
locations
to
ensure
those
outcomes.
C
Okay
and
then
on
my
second
question,
just
picking
up
on
where
counselor
carol
was.
This
is
the
question
of,
if
demand
or
if
the
demand
for
services
outstrips
our
supply,
our
capacity,
your
capacity
to
scale
up
the
system,
be
it
with
permanent
housing
options
or
as
part
of
a
an
indoor,
shelter
and
respite
response.
B
C
C
Okay,
I
I
might
have-
and
I
know
I
spoke
with
you
earlier-
a
slight
amendment
to
that-
to
clarify
that
this
is
to
ensure
that
we
can
continue
to
meet
as
part
of
if
we
need
to
on
a
to
expan
an
expansion
to
meet
those
requirements.
I
guess
my
last
question
here
chair,
if
I
have
time,
is
in
the
report
you
speak
to
with
respect
to
to
encampments
both
rehousing
and
indoor
accommodation
efforts,
as
well
as
the
provision
of
essential
supports
as
part
of
the
city's
response.
C
Sorry
so
this
was
specifically
an
encampment.
You
spoke
to
in
the
presentation
and
in
the
report
that
the
a
two-pronged
approach
here,
one
is
working
towards
re-housing
and
safe
indoor
accommodations,
and
the
second
was
the
provision
of
essential
supports.
In
the
meantime,
I
was
wondering
if
you,
what
could
you
define
what
essential
supports
are
what
do
we
need?
What
do
you
mean
by
that.
F
Absolutely
a
counselor
so
currently
streets
to
homes,
visits
encampment
sites,
they
have
been
providing
water,
they
have
also
have
been
providing
harm
reduction,
supports
naloxone
and,
as
we
head
into
the
to
the
winter
months,
adding
to
that
blankets
and
sleeping
bags,
we
have
also
with
our
interdivisional
partners,
been
attending
sites
somewhere.
There
are
concerns
around
hazards
or
a
large
amount
of
debris.
We
have
been
going
in
and
offering
to
clean
the
sites
to
to
make
them
safer
for
the
people
who
stay
there.
A
A
D
A
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
very
much
marianne
for
the
report
you
put
forward
and,
of
course,
meeting
with
me
the
other
day
or
your
staff
to
go
over.
It
has
answered
a
lot
of
questions,
but
just
a
couple
more
coming
out
of,
I
think
a
few
decadence
questions
that
I'd
like
to
get
clear.
So
I
think
the
first
one
is
around
demand
of
the
system:
pre
and
co.
No,
we
aren't
postcoving
pre
and
during
coven.
B
And-
and
and
yes
so
I
did
say,
I
think
it
was
on
page
five
or
six
of
the
presentation
so
going
into
the
winter.
Of
course
this
is
always.
You
know
a
very
sensitive
time
for
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
city.
So
so
with
the
plan
is
right
now
going
into
the
winter
months.
You
said,
I
think,
in
your
presentation
that
240
spa
or
was
it
560
spaces
open
up?
B
B
B
Now,
now,
in
the
winter
months
now
now
this
conversation
has
come
up.
I
think
every
every
fall
going
into
the
winter
that
I've
been
on
council,
but
it's
it's
around
the
the
notion
of
people
being
turned
away
if
they
need
a
shelter-
and
I
know
the
city
does
everything
in
their
power
to
do
to
not
do
that
and
and
whatnot.
So,
particularly,
we
do
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
people
get
a
place
in
the
shelter
system
or
any
which
way
we
can
if
they
need
it.
Correct.
F
We
we
do
counselor,
you
know
we
work
really
hard
to
make
capacity
available
to
ensure
that
our
central
intake
line
is,
is
staffed
and
available
when
people
call
in
for
shelter
beds.
But
you
know
it's
it's
a
dynamic
system
and
you
know
we,
although
we
try
to
make
sure
that
there
is
always
space,
I
cannot
guarantee
that
we
will
always
have
an
available
space
when
somebody
calls
to
get
one,
but
we
do
continue
to
connect
with
people
who
are
you
know,
waiting
for
a
shelter
bed?
F
B
A
What
is
the
process
in
terms
of
communicating
with
the
community
in
the
surrounding
areas
where
you
are
using
the
hotels
facilities,
and
can
you
also
talk
to
me
or
talk
to
us
about
how
you
provide
measures
for
safety
and
security?
These
are
concerns
have
been
raised
by
a
number
of
residents
who
have
reached
out
to
me.
F
Thank
you
for
the
question
deputy
mayor.
As
you
know,
the
process
to
open
up
the
temporary
covert
response
hotels
has
been
different
from
our
process
to
site
shelter,
programs,
and
that
was
primarily
due
to
the
rapid
nature
of
our
response.
We
had
to
secure
sites
and
open
them.
You
know
incredibly
quickly,
most
of
the
support
staff
that
would
typically
do
the
engagement
connections
with
the
community
were
actually
redeployed
out
to
the
front
line,
and
so
we
we
actually
didn't
have
the
the
physical
bodies
to
do
that.
F
We
again
we
connect
with
the
local
police
division
and
monitor
with
them
any
increased
activity
that
they
might
report
at
our
new
temporary
sites.
Again,
we've
we've
initiated
a
new
program
called
the
community
safety
team.
This
is
a
hired
third
party
specialists
that
have
social
service
backgrounds,
but
also
training
around
security,
and
they
are
out
in
the
community.
They
are
collecting
any
discarded
drug
paraphernalia
they're,
engaging
with
shelter,
clients,
they're,
ensuring
that
people
are
abiding
by
local
rules
and
helping
to
respond
to
any
community
complaints.
A
A
in
terms
of
federal
and
provincial
contributions
to
that
what
portion
have
they
contributed
and
another
part
of
my
question,
because
just
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
all
the
information.
What
is
the
total
budget
that
you
are
spending
with
respect
to
providing
shelter
and
also
as
it
relates
to
this
plan
that
you
have
brought
forward
today?.
F
F
We
have
received
support
from
the
federal
and
provincial
government.
I
we've
received
about
59
million
dollars
in
the
first
half
of
the
pandemic
response
we've
recently
put
in
a
business
case
to
the
province
to
receive
some
additional
social
service
relief
fund
dollars
and
and
we're
hoping
that
we
receive
our
full
allocation,
which
has
indicated
it's
about
118
million
dollars.
We
are
going
to
need
to
use
all
of
that
money
towards
these
incredibly
high
operating
costs.
F
So
you
know
we
are
waiting
to
hear
about
the
national
housing
strategy
money
as
an
option
for
us
to
to
use
it
for
capital
in
order
to
secure
some
more
permanent
housing
solutions,
but
the
operational
costs
are
significant
and
and
they're
ongoing.
So
we
will
be
using
the
federal
provincial
money
for
that.
F
The
the
issue
that
I
worry
about,
but
I'm
sure
my
cfo
worries
about
much
more-
is
that
that
money
is
only
committed
until
march
the
31st,
and
we
have
had
no
discussions
or
indication
that
there
would
be
funding
beyond
that.
At
this
point,
although
we
do
continue
to
have
good
discussions
at
the
provincial
and
federal
level.
A
D
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
because
it's
perfect
timing,
because
I
want
to
really
just
follow
the
the
the
line
of
questioning
that
you
were
on,
I'm
having
trouble
figuring
out
who
and
where
the
money's
coming
from
the
the
the
the
financial
impact
statement
in
the
report
talks
about
it
says
the
ministry
of
municipal
affairs
and
housing
on
august
14th
announced
an
additional
allocation
of
118
million
in
funding
for
toronto
through
the
social
services
relief
fund.
But
I
noticed
just
now
you
framed
it
in
the
same
way.
D
F
We
are
not
checking
hand
at
this
time.
All
municipalities
were
asked
to
put
in
a
business
case
of
how
they
would
use
that
that
funding,
and
it's
now
back
with
the
province
for
for
approval,
but
again
we're
we.
We
are
having
good
conversations
and
I
am.
I
am
confident
that
they
will
approve
that
business
case.
D
D
D
F
There
was
a
small
allocation
through
reaching
home
for
operating
money.
So
again,
that's
in
the
region
and
don't
quote
me
20
to
25
million,
but
also
there
would
be
a
large
segment
of
that.
That
is,
for
one-time
capital
costs,
which
is
where
we're
hoping
to
use
some
of
that
money
to
implement
the
plan.
That's
before
you
today,
we
don't
have
an
exact
amount
on
that
at
the
moment.
D
Okay,
but
is
it
fair
to
say-
and
this
is
the
most
important
thing
I
think
really-
is
it
fair
to
say
that
with
respect
to
this,
because
we
have
the
most
dire
problem
with
this,
particularly
while
the
the
pandemic
is
in
in
full
swing
and
resurgence,
but
but
really
really
it's
our
ongoing
problem
in
the
last
few
winters.
Is
it
fair
to
say
that,
because
toronto's
scale
is
unique,
do
we
have
a
place
at
the
table?
F
So
I
would
say
that
there
are
ongoing
discussions
both
at
the
federal
and
and
provincial
level.
You
know,
typically,
you
know
they
they
are
reaching
out
and
asking
us.
You
know:
where
are
the
pressures?
What
are
the
things
that
you're
experiencing
and
then
and
then
they
develop
their
funding
programs,
so
I
do
feel
like
the
the
programs
that
they
have
designed
are
responsive
to
the
issues
that
we're
having
in
toronto.
F
A
Thank
you
very
much
council
carol,
I'm
just
looking
to
see
whether
or
not
there
are
any
additional
questioning
questions.
Okay,
seeing
none!
I
have
just
a
couple.
Mr
dart,
you
spoke
about
warming
centers.
You
mentioned
that
there
were
four.
Can
you
tell
us
where
those
are
and
are
there
any
in
scarborough.
F
A
A
A
F
A
All
right,
in
recommendation,
seven
of
the
report.
You
talk
about
the
request
of
the
federal
provincial
government
to
work
with
the
city
prior
to
reopening
borders,
and
so
on.
You
talked
earlier
on
to
the
questioning
that
came
regarding
a
regional
approach
in
terms
of
addressing
this
issue
and
because
it
seems
that
everyone
seemed
to
want
to
gravitate
and
come
to
toronto.
F
Well,
I
think
you
know,
in
terms
of
recommendation
number
seven
which
is
specific
to
the
reopening
of
the
borders.
What
we
experienced
over
the
last
three
years
was
a
significant
influx
of
asylum
claimants
that
that
toronto
acted
very
quickly
and
responsibly
and
and
expanded
our
shelter
system.
But
then
our
our
commitments
of
support,
followed
after
that
and
again
even
the
2020
money
that
we
had
have
requested
of
the
federal
government.
We're
still
waiting
to
to
receive
that.
So
what
we're?
F
What
we're
trying
to
say
is,
as
opposed
to
playing
catch-up
and
having
the
city,
provide
these
solutions
up
front
that
we
would.
We
would
be
interested
in
having
that
agreement
ahead
of
time.
So
with
that,
we
had
a
clear
understanding
of
the
costs
that
the
federal
government
would
be
covering
and
so
that
we
could
make
sure
we
take
that
into
consideration
as
we
develop
our
services.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
fantastic
okay,
so
we
are
now
going
to
be
moving
to
speakers.
I
see
no
further
questions
of
stuff
all
right,
so
the
first
speaker
I
have
is
counselor
grimes,
followed
by
counselor
carol
and
counselor
cressie
in
that
order.
Thank
you
councillor
grimes.
You
may
begin
you
have
five
minutes.
Thank.
H
H
The
shelter
20
boulevard,
2970
potential
issue
in
like
I've,
had
people
being
foreign
against
we've
had
petitions,
but
I
think
this
report
here
I'm
moving
some
of
this
money
from
the
shelter
aspect
to
look
at
permanent
housing
solutions.
I
moved
that
motion
back
in
july
of
2019
and
I
want
to
thank
miranda
team
for
entertaining
that,
although
nothing's
been
decided
yet
we
are
out
in
front
of
this.
We've
had
early
consultation
with
marianne
said
that
hasn't
happened
before
so.
H
So,
although
nothing's
been
decided
yet,
I
think
it's
a
a
good
recommendations
here
before
so
I'm
happy
to
move
those
and
again
it's
good
to
hear
that
the
provincial
and
federal
governments
seem
to
be
good
talks,
as
marian
said
going
on
with
the
federal
and
provincial
partners,
which
is
which
is
great
to
hear
so
with
that
I'll
be
short
and
just
I'm
happy
to
move
the
staff
requires.
Mr
chairman,.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I'd
like
to
start
by
by
thanking
the
previous
speaker
by
by
thanking
my
fellow
member
councilor
grimes,
because
I
can
tell
from
reading
the
communications
that
that
he's
had
a
a
difficult
time
of
it
in
in
working
with
the
community
about
the
the
site
in
lakeshore.
It's
never
easy
and
and
so
highlighting
for
people
that
these
are
our
our
measures.
D
I
only
wanted
to
speak
because
I
I
hope
that
people
might
take
the
time
to
read
this,
whether
whether
they
have
someone
in
their
life
who's
experiencing
homelessness
or
not.
Because
this
this
report
and
the
collaborative
report
that's
attached
that
the
city
collaborated
with
the
united
way
on
really
paints
a
picture
that
tells
us
that
we're
really
only
surviving
the
the
pandemic
right
now
and
its
impact
on
the
shelter
and
housing
system.
D
We
still
have
a
challenge
in
our
shelter
system
and
we
are
going
to
need
the
governance,
the
the
the
other
orders
of
government's
assurance
that
they're
there
with
us
and
that
as
they
open
those
those
doors
back
up,
that
they
have
a
plan
as
well
as
we
have
a
plan.
And
it's
why
I
asked
the
the
director
of
ssha
in
particular.
D
Do
we
have
a
place
at
the
table
because
I
don't
think
anyone
is
experiencing
this
on
the
scale
that
we
are
and,
and
so
us
actually
being
at
the
table,
not
just
asking
money
and
sending
a
business
case,
but
they
should
want
us
at
the
table
to
help
them
figure
out
how
best
to
deal
with
this
and
how
best
to
develop
a
housing
strategy.
We
still
have
a
federal
government
that
technically
doesn't
really
have
a
minister
of
housing.
D
Lastly,
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
the
winter
plan,
because
that
is
the
thing
we're
hearing
the
most
about
is
people
are
very
very
concerned
about
the
winter,
because
pre-pandemic
we
had
a
very
difficult
time
at
this
last
year,
and
you
never
know
when
that
cold
snap
is
going
to
come.
It
can
be
as
early
as
in
november,
and
so
the
stress
that's
going
to
create
is
is
is
important
to
keep
in
mind,
but
I
do
want
to
end
by
by
thanking
staff
for
everything
they've
done
so
far.
D
We
have
to
stop
and
and
and
really
look
at
at
how
we
did
in
fact
see
this
staff
make
it
through
march
april
and
may
getting
us
to
this
point.
I
can
only
hope
that
the
measures
we're
taking
now
and
the
funding
that's
coming
making
us
even
more
nimble,
might
help
us
through
this
resurgence
and-
and
I
dare
say
second
wave.
Those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
C
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
As
I
said,
I
will
begin
by
placing
a
motion
and
with
thanks
to
to
staff
for
for
their
help
in
in
pulling
this
together
and
other
members
of
this
committee,
and
specifically,
the
motion
speaks
to
six
direct
parts
that
the
first
is
for
council
to
to
call
on
the
provincial
government
to
provide
the
necessary
health
and
mental
health
and
harm
reduction
supports
across
the
system,
whereas
right
now
the
city
is
paying
for
some
of
those
in
some
locations.
C
It
is
for
city
council
for
our
staff
to
continue
to
scale
up
their
enhanced
supports
both
on
housing
and
immediate,
essential
supports
within
encampments.
I
that
the
fourth
is
for
staff.
As
recommendation
number
two
in
our
report
speaks
to
staff
having
the
the
responsibility
and
the
ability
to
scale
up
its
winter
plans.
C
So
with
that,
that
is
a
series
of
of
amendments,
and
thank
you
again
to
staff
and
members
of
the
committee
for
their
support
in
working
on
those.
I
would
begin
my
my
formal
remarks
by
thanking
our
staff
for
their
hard
work
and
thanking
our
community
partners.
Our
community
partners
are
brought
here
it's
from
the
toronto
alliance
and
homelessness
to
frontline
providers
who
operate
and
run
shelters
to
the
drop-in
network,
to
volunteers
like
the
encampment
support
network,
all
together
working
hard
to
protect
the
most
vulnerable,
and
in
doing
so
I
thank
our
deputies.
C
C
One
for
me-
and
I
believe
this
council
has
been
to
turn-
that
emergency
response
into
permanent
housing
solutions
to
use
this
moment
of
profound
destabilization
and
pain
and
anguish,
for
so
many
as
the
launching
pad
to
ending
chronic
homelessness
and
that
that's
not
impossible.
Other
jurisdictions
have
shown
us
the
way,
and
I
would
argue
that,
as
a
city,
we've
demonstrated
that
when
there's
political
will
and
resources,
we
too
can
show
the
way.
And
so
you
know,
there's
that
old
adage
that
the
federal
government
has
all
the
money.
A
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and,
and
I
would
like
to
start
off
my
my
brief
remarks
by
echoing
my
colleagues
sentiments
towards
staking
city
staff.
You
know
I
have
I've
worked
with
ssha
and
marianne
on
a
number
of
things,
a
shelter
that's
come
into
my
ward
and
they
have
always
been
incredible
in
dealing
with
our
office.
The
community
concerns
whenever
it
may
be,
so
you
know
in
this
report
and
and
what
they
have
done
to
date.
That
demonstrates
you
know
just
that.
B
I
mean
they've
done
a
great
job
with
it.
I
think
this
this
report
definitely
putting
my
support
behind
it.
I
think
it's
a
good
report.
I
think
it's
a
responsible
report
and
that
is
councilor
crush.
He
said
this
is
something
that
we've
been
speaking
about
for
years
around
permanent
housing
and
whatnot.
So
to
see
a
shift
with
ssha
to
go
in
that
direction,
I
think
is,
is
the
right
way
of
approaching
it
so
definitely
support
this.
B
I
think
our
ssha
staff
have
done
a
great
job
during
very
challenging
times
going
into
covid
and
they
and
they
have
adapted
very
well
to
such
difficult
times.
So
I'd
also
like
to
thank
them
for
that,
but
this
is
a
good
road
map
and
then
just
to
just
particularly
with
just
to
give
counselor
grimes
a
shout
out
with
working
with
staff
in
his
community
and
his
community
with
the
the
shelter
being
proposed.
B
A
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
first
thank
mira
and
badar,
miss
badard
for
accommodating
me
for
a
meeting.
So
all
my
all
my
questions
were
being
answered.
I
really
appreciate
the
time
that
you
spent
with
me
to
understand
this
file
better
and
I'd
like
to
you
know.
During
the
meeting
our
meeting,
we
have
we've
discussed
about
hidden
homelessness.
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize
on
this
one
here
because
due
to
covet
19,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
out
there
that
are
that
are
homeless
and
they're.
E
E
We,
you
know,
there
are
a
lot
of
small
businesses
are
hurting
and
we
need
to
provide
them
with
shelter
as
well
and
in
that
lens.
I
just
like
to
thank
the
deputy
for
raising
this
point
and,
like
I
said
it's
never
an
easy
balancing
act.
I
just
we
wanted
to
work
together
and
it's
only
by
working
together
with
community
partners
that
we
can
cope
and
deal
with
these
issues
and
the
fact
about
the
the
scarborough
shelter,
the
temporary
shelter
we.
E
I
do
understand
that
the
need
to
speed
has
unintended
consequences,
but
as
counselor
I
think,
would
we
would
really
appreciate
the
ssha
team
to
kind
of
give
us
a
heads
up
earlier
on
so
that
as
counselors
we
can
manage.
You
know
we
can
manage
the
situation
and
some
of
you
know
some
people.
They
may
be
against
this
and
we
just
have
to
add
to
kind
of
work
together
with
the
community
and
and
and
have
a
more
favorable
outcome.
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Cancer
lie.
There
are
no
other
members
who
have
not
spoken
other
than
myself
I'll,
be
the
last
speaker
just
get
the
clock
changed
to
zero.
Thank
you.
I
too
want,
as
members
of
committee,
have
offered
their
appreciation
and
thanks
to
ms
berdard
and
her
team,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
this
and
many
other
issues
as
it
relates
to
our
most
vulnerable
members
in
our
society.
A
I
want
to
thank
the
participants
who
have
come
forward
to
speak
and
to
comment
on
the
report.
This
is
an
excellent
report
that
really
speaks
to
action
to
address
a
fundamental
challenge
and
problem
that
this
city
has.
The
city
is
seen
as
a
catchment
area
where
everyone
from
far
and
wide
comes
in
need
of
help
and
so
on,
and
we
have
not
turned
them
away.
A
I've
been
around
this
environment
long
enough
to
see
a
cascade
of
people
come
in
and
storm
the
chamber,
and
so
on
that
we
have
not
done
enough
and
we're
not
doing
enough.
I'm
I'm
buoyed
by
the
fact
that
the
response
that
we've
had
to
this
report,
because
of
the
collaboration
in
terms
of
putting
it
together,
has
been
extremely
positive
and
very
strong
in
support.
A
I
think
history
will
judge
us
not
by
what
we
gain
for
ourselves
personally
in
our
own
personal
achievement,
but
what
we
do
for
those
who
are
less
fortunate
and
those
who
are
in
need
of
a
helping
hand.
Shelter
is
such
a
fundamental
need
for,
for
all
and
without
shelter.
Our
lives
are
in
chaos,
and
we
see
that
time
and
time
again
we
see
the
encampments
in
our
parks
and
the
response.
A
Let
me
also
say
this:
our
staff
have
been
responding
to
the
encampment
and
dealing
with
some
of
these
issues,
because
I
get
calls
from
people
all
across
the
city
about
this
issue.
I
want
to
thank
them
of
how
they've
approached
this
in
a
very
humane
way
in
a
way
that
brings
integrity
to
this
process
and
so
on-
and
I
know
some
people
have
complained-
they're
not
satisfied,
we're
always
working
to
refine
these
these
challenges
as
we
face
them.
A
The
report
really
addresses
a
number
of
issues
and
and
the
the
piece
around
that
conversation
with
the
federal
government
and
the
border
opening
and
so
on
the
refugees
coming.
This
is
an
important
piece
because
we
know
when
the
border
opens,
we
will
have
more
people
coming
in
and
I
think
it's
important
to
highlight
that
and
has
been
stated.
I
believe
council
carroll
stated
this.
You
know
we
have
a
seat
at
the
table
as
we
move
forward
and
ensure
that
we're
part
of
the
discussion
part
of
the
solution.
A
So
we
can
address
these
fundamental
issues
at
the
beginning
of
the
process
not
later
on.
This
is
an
expensive
proposition
in
terms
of
helping
and
identifying
what
the
needs
are.
I'm
very
encouraged
that
the
city
has
taken
the
position
that
we're
not
simply
going
to
stand
by
and
wait
for
the
other
levels
of
government
to
come
to
the
table
resources.
A
We
obviously
hope
that
they
do
and
want
them
to,
because
it's
very
helpful
to
us,
because
we
cannot
survive
this
this
process
without
additional
help
from
the
federal
government
and
the
provincial
government,
and
I
thank
them
for
what
they're
contributing
at
this
point,
but
we've
also
indicated
to
them
that
it
is
not
sufficient.
So
this
report
here
really
seeks
to
obviously
address
a
fundamental
challenge.
A
I
too
want
to
commend
councillor
grimes
and
his
efforts
to
address
the
concerns
have
been
brought
to
him
by
his
constituents,
not
simply
to
suggest
it's
not
in
my
backyard.
It
is
simply
to
suggest
this
is
not
a
workable
solution,
and
here
are
other
ways
that
we
can
address
this
fundamental
need
for
housing
and
provide
permanent
housing
in
this
area.
So
I
want
to
congratulate
the
community,
we're
not
simply
saying
it's
not
in
our
backyard
they're
suggesting
to
staff.
What
is
better
for
us.
A
I
thank
ms
bernard
for
the
explanation
in
terms
of
you
know,
putting
shelters
in
place
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we've
had
the
impacts
they've
had
on
community
in
general.
I
again
have
fielded
many
of
those
calls.
I
know
that
the
mayor's
field,
it's
those
calls
and
other
members
of
council
and
so
on.
So
it's
it's
very
important
and
then
just
also
to
wrap
up.
A
I
think
that
the
motions
that
council
cressy
in
collaboration
with
staff
and
and
members
of
committee,
is
very
helpful
and
gives
good
directions
to
our
team,
we're
all
in
this
together.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
it
is
up
to
us
to
ensure
that
we
can
make
a
made
in
toronto
solution
to
provide
and
support
those
who
are
in
need
of
housing
and
shelter,
and
is
something
that
we
can't
shy
away
from.
We
must
do.
Thank
you.
A
Okay
members.
We
have
the
motion
by
counselor
cressie,
madame
clerk,
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
put
those
up
and
if
we
can
actually
ask
for
a
vote
on
those
motions
there
are.
I
believe
there
are
six
of
them
all
together
and
so
all
those
in
favor
and
I
can't
see
everyone's
hand,
I'm
just
going
to
assume
that
clerk's
going
to
because
it's
on
the
screen.
A
A
That's
kerry.
Okay!
Now,
okay,
so
congratulations,
remember!
We've
dealt
with
number
one!
We're
now
moving
to
item
number
two
councillor
fletcher,
just
wondering
if
you
are
on,
I
don't
see
your
name
council
fresher
all
right.
So
members,
counselor
fletcher
had
a
motion
which
I
am
going
to
take
care
of.
A
A
A
Okay,
oppose
that's
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
we
have
dispensed
with
item
one
and
two
we're
now
moving
to
ec
16.3,
improving
the
imagination,
manufacturing,
innovation
and
and
technology,
the
imet
local
employment
requirement.
It's
an
extension
of
the
program
and
I
had
held
that.
I
would
just
like
to
ask
the
general
manager
of
economic
development
why
the
extension?
J
J
J
Unfortunately,
we
feel
that's
impossible
to
do
given
the
disruptions
that
we've
had
to
covet
and
the
reaction
to
geographic,
distancing
and
the
impacts
of
the
workplace
and
we're
asking
for
a
two-year
extension,
since
it's
clear
that
this
crisis,
this
health
crisis
is
going
to
last
them
some
time
and
especially
time
afterwards
for
people
to
get
back
into
the
whatever
the
new
normal
will
be.
And
so
this
report
asked
for
a
two-year
extension
to
reporting
back
on
the
impacts
of
the
points-based
system
for
qualifying
for
imed
grants
on
a
year-to-year
basis.
A
D
D
That's
been
a
frustration
that
people
look
for
the
easiest
route
to
just
meet
the
bare
minimum
and
that
here
there
has
to
be
a
real
push,
because
this
is
a
big
10-year
incentive.
They're
getting
are
you
know
in
the
initial
months,
but
leading
up
to
the
pandemic.
Were
you
seeing
the
the
inquiries
we
need
and
that.
B
J
We
were
very
pleased
with
the
response
from
the
community
and
there
are
still
some
employers
that
have
imac
grants
right
now
that
it
makes
sense
to
continue
with
so.
The
manufacturing,
for
instance,
has
been
less
disruptive
than
the
downtown
office
market
or
the
office
market.
So
with
those
those
companies
will
continue
to
work
and
for
all
companies,
and
so
we
continue
to
work
with
all
companies
they've
been
disrupted.
They
have
hard
time.
J
Many
companies
are
not
hiring
that
are
in
these
buildings,
so
it's
a
little
difficult
to
impose
to
get
feedback
there
from
that,
but
we're
heartened
by
it
we're
hardened
by
the
feedback
from
the
developers
from
the
tenants.
So
I
think
counselor
you'll
be
you'll,
be
satisfied
by
the
end
of
by
the
end
of
the
two
years,
based
upon
what
we've
seen
so
far.
D
And
they're
they're
our
benefit
doesn't
get
pulled
away
if
they,
if
they're
they've,
become
eligible
in
some
cases
for
wage
subsidy
and
things
like
that
they've
been
offered
for
the
pandemic.
We
don't
claw
ours
away.
Do
we
because
it's
it
would
be
complicated
to
do
that?
It's
tax
based
and
it's
10
years
that
continues.
So
they
have
added
reason
to
take
part
in
the
program:
correct,
okay,
fantastic.
A
You
very
much
council
carol,
I'm
just
looking
to
see
whether
there
are
any
other
members
who
may
have
questions.
I
see
none.
I
don't
need
to
speak
on
this
item
other
than
just
to
to
move
it
and
thank
the
general
manager
for
the
update.
I
think
it
was
essential
that
members
be
afforded
an
explanation
as
to
why
the
action
that,
as
part
of
the
recommendation
is
being
taken-
and
I
do
agree
with
the
general
manager
on
this,
the
the
with
respect
to
his
comments
and
the
staff
recommendations
that
are
they're
here.
A
E
E
E
H
H
A
C
A
Yeah
just
yeah
just
give
me
a
second,
please:
council,
grime,
okay
members,
counselor
live
we're
going
to
hold
this
item
down,
we're
going
to
come
back
because
we're
having
some
communication
challenges
with
staff.
So
let's
hold
this
down
for
a
few
minutes
and
we'll
move
to
the
next
slide
and
we'll
come
back
to
this
one
in
a
moment
as
soon
as
we
can
okay.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
D
G
D
Okay
and
and-
and
I
get
that,
but
but
you
know
an
18-month
process
really,
even
if
we
waited
till
the
end
of
the
contract
that
takes
me
to
the
end
of
from
now
to
the
end
of
22.
Even
if
we
waited
to
the
end
of
contract,
you
could
oper,
you
could
exercise
two
option
years
and
that
takes
you
to
the
end
of
2023.
D
D
G
G
So
we
didn't
ever
have
an
opportunity
to
assess
whether
this
type
of
contract,
which
is
a
very
important
goods
contract,
would
be
appropriate
to
build
in
workforce
development
opportunities.
So
the
committee
at
the
time
said:
okay,
you
can
have
your
five-year
contract
because
you
need
the
suits
come
back
and
let
us
know
what
what
is
possible
so
we're
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
supplier
to
see
if
there's
a
mechanism
of
sorts
that
can
be
introduced
into
the
contract.
Now
it's
not
as
easy
as
construction
contracts.
G
This
company
is
located
in
quebec
and
they
have
a
very
defined
supply
chain
and
to
your
earlier
question,
there
is
very
few
players
in
the
market.
So,
while
we're
going
to
work
with
them-
and
I
and
I
think
there
they
just
sent
a
letter
to
us
yesterday-
that
they're
having
trouble
identifying
how
they
could
make
this
work
in
this
context
like
we
will
continue
to
work
with
them
and
try
to
find
a
solution
to
this.
But
that's
why
the
committee,
at
the
time
only
gave
us
the
five
years.
A
D
Well,
if
I
could-
and
this
is
awkward
now
because
of
the
virtual
meeting-
I
would
love
to
to
add
a
motion
to
the
recommendations
for
a
report
back.
I
you
know,
I
I'm
satisfied
with
with
the
with
the
asking
for
the
extension,
but
I
really
would
like
to
hear
back
from
the
chief
or
or
or
back
from
from
from
anyone
on.
D
D
Our
money
landing
in
that
community
helps
that
community.
When
we
land
our
money
in
our
own
community,
we
make
sure
that
that
that
it
results
in
employment
and
to
show
ethical
and
and
social
practices.
We
should
be
pushing
on
that
in
any
place
in
the
nation
that
that
that
our
our
money
lands
our
city
of
toronto
tax
money
lands.
A
A
Yeah,
the
clerk
and
I've
been
talking
a
little
bit
about
it,
and
I
know
that
the
the
the
chief
and
and
the
deputy
and
so
on.
I
don't
think
they
have
any
problems
with
it.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
craft
it
sufficiently
so
that
members
can
support
you
so
just
going
to
hold
it
down
and
if
you
could
maybe
just
send
some
texts
as
part
of
language.
A
A
E
B
That's
great,
thank
you.
I
apologize
for
the
the
technical
challenges
this
morning,
so
counselor
through
the
chair.
I
think
it's
appropriate.
I
defer
to
pfnr
on
that
as
it
is,
it
is
their
signage.
Toronto
fires
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
posting
signages.
So
I'm
I'm
I'm
going
to
defer
to
my
colleagues
the
pfnr
for
that
first
question.
E
E
So
this
picture,
as
well
as
messages
in
those
signs,
is
that
correct
any
any
different
languages
in
there,
just
just
english,
just
english
and
the
picture.
Okay,
english
in
the
picture.
Thank
you
and
my
second
question
would
be
through
the
chair,
the
you
in
the
report.
It
says
no
on
education,
it
says
no
further
action
is
required
and
their
current
public
education
efforts.
I'm
just
wondering
what
are
those
education
efforts?
The
currently,
that
is,
that
we're
having.
B
B
C
E
E
Increase
in
fines-
yes,
it's
it's
in
place
and
we
have
used
it
since
the
since
the
wrote
the
pandemic
okay
and
then
in
the
report.
It
says
next
step
is
for
communication.
Do
we
have
a
communication
plan
in
place
to
how
to
communicate
all
these,
to
warn
people
about
the
danger
of
the
bluff
and
about
the
increase
in
fine
and
all
that?
How
are
we
communicating
to
the
communities.
H
So
I
would,
I
would
suggest
that
that
is
ongoing
work,
that
we
work
with
strategic
communications
just
like
we
have
been
working
throughout
this
this
past
weekend,
for
example,
in
etobicoke
we
had
a
number
of
issues
with
bonfires
and
we
work
closely
with
stratcom
to
get
those
messages
out
there
with
press
releases.
So
we
would
do
the
same
thing
with
what's
what's
what's
happening
at
the
bluffs
and
in
scarborough
that
people,
you
know,
warn
them
of
the
dangers
of
of
taking
selfies
at
the
bluffs
and
what
could
happen.
B
E
E
E
They
cannot
read
english,
so
I'm
just
wondering
the
danger
of
them,
and
especially
when
they
have
tourists
that's
visiting
here
and
now
we
don't
have
any
tourists
because
of
the
pandemic,
but
during
the
pandemic
they're
going
down
there
and
then
they're
not
being
educated
or
being
communicated
with
with
the
danger
of
of
visiting
the
bluff.
So
I
would
hope
that
my
colleagues
will
support
this
motion
just
to
be
proactively
dealing
with
people
and
in
terms
of
communication
plan.
E
I
think
what
we
can
do
better
is
that
we
can
like
couch,
and
you
said
that
we
do.
We
do
have
issue
media
advisory.
I
think
we
do
have
a
lot
of
earned
medias
that
we
can
tap
into
and
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
circulate
them
to
to
to
to
the
chinese
media
or
to
for
people
who
have
other
medias.
You
know
the
tamil
media,
the
scarborough
residents.
E
E
A
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
lai,
I'm
just
waiting
for
the
screen
to
come
up
to
see.
If
there's
any
questions
of
you.
Thank
you.
I've
seen
none.
I
get
the
two
fingers
thumbs
up
for
the
thumbs
up
two
thumbs
up
from
counselor
carol.
I
thought
I
saw
some
fingers
as
well,
pointing
at
me
he's
like
bam,
but
apparently
there
were
just
lots
of
flurry
of
activities
happening
with
the
thumbs
all
right.
So
members
counselor
has
a
motion
on
the
screen.
A
All
those
in
favor
opposed
cared
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
oppose
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
So
we
are
going
to
thank
you
very
much.
Council
rely.
We
are
now
going
to
thank
you.
You're
welcome
we're
now
going
to
move
back
council
carol.
I
think
your
motion-
okay,
it's
not
ready
as
yet
all
right,
so
council
cal
we'll
come
back
to
that
item
ec
16.5
we're
now
going
to
move
to
ec.
A
J
A
A
Fantastic.
Okay.
Give
me
one
moment,
sir.
Okay,
great
we're
good.
Okay,
mr
jarvis.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
thank
you
for
hanging
in
there
all
morning.
It's
been
a
long
morning.
So
welcome
to
the
economic
and
community
development
committee.
Meeting
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
speak
when
you
get
to
the
four
minutes
and
30
second
mark,
I
will
let
you
know,
you've
got
30
seconds
left
to
speak
in
order
to
close
at
five
minutes,
so
you
are
speaking
sir
on
ec
16.6
support
for
artists
and
musicians
during
covet
19
pandemic.
J
My
background
is:
I've
been
in
the
music
business
for
30
years,
with
major
labels
in
toronto,
in
moscow,
in
prague
and
in
london,
england,
I'm
currently
a
professor
of
music
business
with
an
mba
from
york
and
I'm
also
a
performing
artist.
My
last
performances
before
the
crisis
hit
was
at
the
tate
britain,
the
moscow
conservatory
and
a
home
in
dufferin
grove
a
home
where
musician
tenants
live
and
would
hope
other
musicians
over
to
play
exactly
the
sort
of
thing
that
sustains
this
city's
culture.
J
I
think
one
issue
we're
going
to
face
is
we
have
a
situation
where
musicians
are
leaving
toronto
due
to
problems
with
being
able
to
afford
the
high
rents
here?
Yet
the
cultural
tourism,
especially
the
music
side
of
that?
Well,
as
it
came
out
in
the
city's
revenues
report
last
week,
those
venues
that
these
musicians
performing
are
contributing
850
million
dollars
annually
to
the
local
economy.
J
J
If
we
lose
them,
you
lose
the
core
customers
of
the
music
business
infrastructure
and
you
lose
again
the
pillars
of
those
communities
around
it
in
order
to
keep
toronto's
cultural
tourism
once
covet
is
over
for
us
to
regain
that
we're
going
to
need
those
people
that
make
this
city
cool
that
make
the
city
a
place
that
others
want
to
come
to.
If
all
we're
left
with
is
a
bland
world
of
chain
with
no
artists
about,
we
have
little
to
offer
to
attract
those
tourists
here.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
jarvis.
I'm
just
looking
to
see
whether
or
not
there
are
any
questions
of
you.
I
see
none!
Okay,
thank
you
all
right!
So
members
we
will
take
this
counselor
cressie.
You
wanted
to
provide
some
updates
on
this.
These
two
items
right
correct
because
I
held
them
down
for
that
specific
purpose.
A
C
Around
extending
the
canada
were
emergency
wage
subsidy
working
with
staff,
we've
amended
the
motion
slightly
based
on
those
announcements,
so
the
amended
version
is
here
in
front
of
you
from
staff
and
huge
thanks
to
marguerite
and
and
mike
tanner
and
mike
williams,
for
working
to
turn
that
around
in
time.
I
maybe
just
a
couple
broad
comments.
If
you'll
indulge
me,
mr
chair
and
committee,
at
our
last
meeting
of
the
toronto
music
advisory
committee,
we
had
a
really
fulsome
conversation
about
the
music
ecosystem
writ
large.
C
Is
it
it
is
indeed
a
must-have
and
not
simply
because
it
gives
life
and
soul
and
dynamism
to
a
city
and
provides
that
cultural
fabric.
That's
so
critical.
It's
also-
and
this
committee
deals
directly
with
this.
It's
about
economic
development,
850
million
dollars
a
year
is
derived
from
the
live
music
sector,
and
so
given
that
we
need
to
to
not
only
manage
the
storm
of
covid
but
come
out
of
this
stronger
thinking
about
artists
and
musicians.
C
If
they
can't
afford
to
live
here,
then
they
can't
afford
to
perform
here.
And
if
you
can't
afford
to
work
here
and
live
here.
Well
then,
you're
never
going
to
perform
here
and
so
the
recommendations
in
front
of
us.
Certainly
it
calls
on
the
country
to
ensure
that
the
the
the
financial
support
that's
provided
is
accessible
to
self-employed
and
gig
workers,
of
which
many
musicians
are.
C
And
so
you
know
that
can
our
objective
for
both
the
live
music
industry,
the
musicians
and
the
venues
at
large
should
not
be
simply
to
come
out
of
covid
having
mitigated
the
loss,
but
rather
to
come
out
of
covet
in
a
stronger
position
than
before.
And
so
that's
the
impetus
behind
this
and-
and
I
want
to
again
thank
the
the
music
office
and
the
staff
in
edc
for
all
the
relentless
hard
work
and
the
members
of
tmac.
C
A
I
see
none.
I
think
that
you
have
succinctly
put
this
issue
into
solid
perspective
and
the
changes
in
collaboration
with
staff
that
you
have
moved.
I
certainly
can
support
and
certainly
hope
that
members
will
also
support
as
well.
So
the
item
is
in
front
of
us
here.
The
changes,
the
amendments
to
the
motion,
all
those
in
favor.
A
Okay,
I
can
see
all
the
hens
okay
pose.
That's
done
a
clause
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
pose
that's
carried.
Thank
you.
Members.
I'd
like
to
ask
your
permission,
your
indulgence.
Actually
we
have
two
items
basically
left
or
two
and
a
half
council
carol
will
just
have
to
deal
with
your
motion
and
we're
going
to
be
fast
running.
We
have
two
deputies,
and
so
I'd
like
to
ask
for
an
extension
to
to
ensure
that
we
can
extend
to
complete
the
agenda.
A
D
A
Well,
she's
ready,
cal
your
motion's
ready.
We
can
deal
with
it
right
now.
Okay,
thank
you,
so
we'll
just
have
put
it
on
the
screen
and
have
members
read
the
motion,
but
it
was
pretty
clear
in
your
explanation
of
what
you
intended
on
doing.
Maybe
you
just
wish
to
comment
on
it
briefly,
and
then
we
can
take
it
to
a
vote.
Did
you
wish
to
do
that?
If
not
we'll.
A
Fantastic,
thank
you
very
much.
Council
carol
the
motions
on
the
screen
members,
all
those
in
favor
post,
that's
carried
clauses
amended
all
those
in
favor
pose
that's
carried.
Thank
you.
We've
dispensed
with
that
item.
16.5
we're
now
moving
to
ec
16.7
current
impacts
of
token
19
pandemic
on
live
music
venues
in
toronto.
We
have
two
speakers.
A
The
first
speaker
I
have
is
jeff
cohen,
horseshoe,
tavern
and
lee's
palace.
Mr
cohen,
is
no
stranger
to
this
committee
like
to
welcome
jeff
to
economic
and
community
development
meeting.
You
have
five
minutes
to
speak
and
at
the
four
minutes
and
30
seconds
mark,
I
will
let
you
know.
You've
got
30
seconds
left,
so,
mr
cohen,
you
are
on.
You.
Have
five
minutes.
A
J
B
This
is
discriminatory
and,
unfortunately,
very
unfair
and
unfortunate
has
led
to
an
important
sector
in
the
toronto
economy,
especially
in
downtown
toronto,
not
be
able
to
participate
in
the
reopening
of
businesses
from
mid-july
to
recently
october
the
10th.
Now,
obviously,
we
have
all
just
been
closed
indoors
by
provincial
civil
authority
and
can't
reopen
for
now
24
more
days
until
saturday
november,
the
7th.
B
So
I
realize
the
timing
of
this
may
be
a
little
suspect,
but
our
issue
is:
is
we
want
to
be
part
of
the
reopening
of
the
economy
in
downtown
toronto
and
the
nighttime
economy
and
a
very
vibrant
part
of
the
reopening
of
the
province
and
regulation?
64
20
is
leaving
us
behind
when
we
do
reopen,
either
on
november,
7th
or
later,
in
november
or
december,
when
infections
daily
infections
were
lower
than
the
province,
and
we
get
back
to
phase
three.
The
problem
is
going
to
be.
B
Is
we're
still
capped
at
a
very
unreasonable
50,
with
no
opportunity
to
present
a
plan
to
the
city
or
the
province
to
have
a
higher
capacity?
And
it's
just
not
fair.
Restaurants
were
able
to
go
up
to
30
percent
maximum
200
cinemas
are
able
to
present
a
plan
but
to
be
able
to
go
higher
than
50
and
so
are
event
spaces,
and
I
guess
we're
looking
for
some
help
from
the
city
to
have
the
city
counterpart
be
able
to
go
to
the
provincial
counterparts
and
do
something
we
either
get
in.
B
The
regulation
live
music
taken
out
of
the
performing
arts
section
which
we're
not
fear
opera.
I
believe
we're
not
performing
arts,
we're
a
bar
to
either
be
moved
in
the
bar
restaurant
category
or
to
try
and
convince
the
promise
to
create
a
new
subcategory
in
regulation.
364
20
for
live
music
so
that
we
can
have
the
same
business
opportunities
as
a
bar
restaurant
cinema
or
event.
Space.
A
A
A
A
E
I
Thanks
mike
so
drive-in
to
certainly
has
been
very
active
during
the
warmer
months
when
people
are
going
to
be
comfortable,
more
comfortable
spending
time
in
their
car.
We
know
that
you
know
we'll
be
probably
still
working
on
show,
love
to
you
come
spring
and
summer
and
so
dry
drive-in
tia
will
definitely
be
part
of
those
plans.
It's
a
seasonal
initiative.
E
I
Well,
we
do
make
sure
that
the
venues
are
spread
across
the
city,
so
we
do
look
to
make
sure
that
we're
offering
value
you
know
in
in
in
all
quadrants
of
the
city,
there
needs
to
be
substantial
room
for
cars
to
be
parked
and
for
cars
to
be
parked.
Even
then
at
socially
distanced,
you
know
within
socially
distance
guidelines
and
so
on.
There
needs
to
be
room
to
build
a
stage
and
so
on,
so
we
look
to
make
these
events
as
accessible
as
possible.
I
I
I
E
I
see
and
do
you
do
we,
the
staff,
go
out
to
solicit
people.
I
mean
I
heard
that
there's
some
malls
that
they
actually
doing
they
wanted
to
apply
for
that
and
that
do
we
go
out
staff
go
out
to
solicit
people
or
do
they
work
with
people
or
with
consultants?
How
does
that
work?
I
just
wanted
to
understand
it
better.
I
Right
so
at
the
beginning
of
covid,
when
recovery
measures
started
to
occur,
we
got
a
lot
of
applications.
We
got
not
even
applications,
just
people
reaching
out
wanting
to
contribute
what
they
could.
So
we
did
hear
from
malls
at
times
like
that,
going
forward,
show
love.
Teo
is
going
to
be
progressively
more
partnership
driven,
so
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
third
party
organizations
to
to
form
partnerships
so
that
sure
lovetio
can
be
community-led
and
and
very
inclusive.
E
Yeah,
just
a
photo
to
that
question:
do
you
sometimes
maybe
perhaps
work
with
local
counselors
and
to
see
whether
they
have
you
know
prospect?
You
know
potential
partners
in
that
kind
of
a
situation
you
know
now
that
covet
has
changed
our
normal
things
of
doing
things
right
normal
way
of
doing
things.
So
do
you
reach
out
to
your
abs,
counselors
and
you
know,
work
with
their
offices
and
kind
of
find
the
partners
and
all
that.
I
I
An
email
package
was
sent
to
every
counselor,
we're
happy
to
follow
up
on
that
periodically
as
we
move
through
the
programming
right
now,
we're
looking
forward
to
winter
programming
and
winter
activations,
and
so
we're
certainly
very
open
to
hearing
from
counselors
offices
with
regard
to
who,
you
would
recommend
we
partner
with
any
events
that
you
think
are
appropriate
for,
show,
love
to
and
and
that
are
compliant
with
toronto
public
health
guidelines.
We
would
be
very,
very
welcoming
of
that
kind
of
outreach.
E
I
The
internal
working
group
is
staff,
so
when
you
look
at
show,
love
to
you,
you'll
see
that
there
are
initiatives
from
transportation
that
are
included.
There
are
initiatives
from
arts
and
culture
services
from
business
growth
services.
We
expect
that
over
the
winter
time
there
will
be
more
initiatives
from
parks,
forestry
and
recreation
that
are
included,
so
it
is
inter-divisional.
I
E
E
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
first
of
all
thank
economic
development
staff
for
actually
helping
out
my
my
driving
to
initiative
in
my
ward,
I
think,
on
this
report
here
night
economy.
I
think
we
have
discovered
a
very
good
thing
of
doing
some
in
my
ward
that
we
had
a
mall
owner
who
would
like
to
partner
with
us
and
do
a
driving
tea
or
we
had
a
a
theater.
Well,
it's
not
a
theater,
it's
a
cinema,
okay!
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councillor
live
just
looking
to
see
if
there
are
any
further
speakers
on
this
item.
Okay,
so
I
will
speak
as
the
city's
first
night
economy
ambassador,
and
I
want
to
thank
marguerite
and
staff
mike
tenner
and
others
alok
sharma,
for
the
great
work
that
is
being
done
in
this
area.
A
We
have,
as
you
brought
out
through
your
questioning
cancer
lie.
We
have
an
internal
working
group,
we
have
an
external
working
group.
We
have
a
slack
platform
where
information
is
presented
to
the
group
and
there's
cross-collaboration
of
conversation
that's
taking
place.
This
update
is
to
provide
members
of
council
the
stat
update
in
terms
of
where
we
are
looking
at
our
priorities
and
so
on.
We
were
obviously
and
have
been
affected,
like
everyone
else.
With
a
pandemic,
our
stakeholder
consultation
had
to
be
suspended,
and
so
on.
A
We
are
looking
at
in
additional
ways
in
terms
of
reach
out.
We
are
reaching
out
vast
array
of
of
of
communications.
That's
taking
place
lots
of
conversations
take
as
is
going
on
around
how
we
move
the
nighttime
economy
and
just
for
the
record,
it
isn't
simply
about
extending
bar
hours
and
just
simply
creating
some
music.
A
It's
a
vast
array
of
of
things,
including
you
know,
looking
at
how
people
go
to
work
manufacturing,
whether
or
not
it's
issues
around
nighttime
daycare,
nighttime
care
for
children,
that
residents
will
need
transportation,
and
so
all
of
this
work
is
being
done
to
addressing
the
issue
around
you
know
and
to
encourage
the
vibrancy
of
our
nighttime
economy
and
to
ensure
that,
as
we
move
forward
in
terms
of
the
recovery,
we
have
a
plan.
Margarite
has
spoken
a
little
bit
about
show
love,
teo
and
the
varying
parts
of
that.
A
It
is
also
that
any
member
of
council
obviously
should
ensure
that
they
bring
forward
ideas,
initiatives
that
are
taking
place
within
their
specific
awards
in
collaboration
with
businesses
and
residents
as
a
whole
to
bring
that
forward.
But,
of
course
you
know,
we
have
our
medical
health
folks,
we
have
fire,
we
have
police,
we
have
bias.
We
have
everyone
involved
as
part
of
this
process
in
terms
of
establishing
the
framework
for
the
nighttime
economy
and
so
on,
and
a
lot
of
works
is
actually
happening.
A
We
know
that
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
right
now
with
the
pandemic
will
not
last
forever
and
the
city
of
toronto
will
be
strong
going
forward.
Where
there's
a
lot
of
lessons
that
we're
learning
a
lot
of
things
that
we're
actually
putting
in
place,
we
have
lots
of
talented
men
and
women
in
the
artistic
community.
A
You
know
the
the
diy
sector
is
an
event
and
and,
and
so
on
is
is
growing.
We
look
as
well
as
addressing
the
issue
around
the
external
working
group,
around
sexual
assaults,
harm
reduction
and
looking
at
toronto
as
a
destination.
So
there's
a
vast
array
of
work,
that's
actually
being
done
in
this
in
this
sector,
so
you
know,
as
we
look
at
our
current
priorities,
which
is
around
recovery,
what
we're
doing
there
reviewing
and
updating
our
city
processing.
A
We
also
look
at
the
issues
around
noise,
the
impact
and
so
on.
So
we
have
to
find
ways
to
ensure
that,
as
we
move
forward,
we
become
more
efficient.
We
reduce
the
cumbersomeness
of
the
application
processes
and
the
red
tapes
that
people
generally
complain
about
and
so
on,
and
that's
it's
something.
That's
important.
A
When
we
do
rebound
and
recover,
we
will
actually
do
so
with
a
with
a
more
energized
way
in
a
and
format
and
that
we
are
moving
towards
success
and
that
we
were
looking
at
how
we,
for
example,
streamline
our
online
processes
and
so
on
to
help
event
organizers,
to
make
things
easier,
to
make
things
more
efficient
and
to
ensure
that
we
generate
the
economic
impact
that
we
want
for
this
city.
There's
a
tremendous
amount
of
work,
that's
actually
being
done.
A
I
want
to
congratulate
our
staff
team
who
are
working
on
this,
as
well
as
the
external
advisory
bodies,
who
is
actually
quite
reflected
of
the
diversity
of
this
city
in
this
space
in
the
field.
So
with
that,
I'd
like
to
move
this
item,
so
all
those
in
favor
a
pose,
that's
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
item
has
been
dealt
with
and
we
are
moving
back
now
to
miss
zabinyu.
A
J
A
Okay,
so
we'll
hold
that
down
for
another
moment,
council
cresce,
why
don't
we
go
to
your
item,
which
is
a
new
business
ec
16.9,
which
is
a
child
care
update?
You
had
circulated
the
the
letter.
I
think
members
have
had
a
chance
to
review
that.
So,
if
you,
if
there
are
any
questions
on
that
item,
councilor
cressie
is
available.
If
there
are
no
questions
council
cressie,
you
may
wish
to
speak
on
it.
C
Just
like
we
did
five
years
ago,
our
city
staff
consulted
on
those
and
came
to
committee
and
council
with
their
recommended
response,
and
so
this
is
simply
a
request
in
light
of
the
province
recently
proposing
changes
for
our
staff
to
go
and
consult
once
again
and
come
back
to
committee
with
their
suggested
response,
so
I
can
leave
it
at
that.
I
don't
need
to
be
broader.
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward.
A
A
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
call
her
one
more
time
and
you've
reached
out
to
her
lisa
lisa's
have
been
you,
okay,
just
close
it
off
now.
Okay,
all
right
council
crescent,
we're
gonna
bring
this
in.
You
have
an
update,
as
you
had
also
with
respect
to
16.6
we're
at
16.7,
which
is
the
current
impact
on
the
of
the
pandemic
on
live
music
venues.
You
have
an
update.
C
I
do
and
thank
you
and
I
I
can
place
the
the
motion
this
is
in
front
of
us
is
obvi
are
the
recommendations
from
tmac,
of
course,
on
friday,
the
province
and
the
feds
announced
changes,
including
to
the
emergency
commercial
rent
assistance
program,
which
meant
that
some
of
the
amendments
were
no
longer
required
or
needed
to
be
adjusted.
So
thanks
to
the
tremendous
work
of
mike
williams,
marguerite
and
and
mike,
we
have
the
revised
version
in
front
of
us,
and
so
just
a
few
comments
very
briefly
on
this.
C
I
spoke
on
the
previous
item
to
musicians
and
support
for
them.
This
is
about
support
for
venues
and
we
heard
from
jeff
cohen.
Of
course
everybody
knows
jeff
from
the
horseshoe
and
lee's
and
many
other
places.
Unfortunately,
we
didn't
hear
from
lisa,
but
we
had
a
very
significant
conversation
at
tmac
a
few
weeks
ago
on
this
I
can
tell
you
we
have
lost
since
covid
started.
11
news
live
music
venues
in
the
city
of
toronto,
11.
C
C
C
There's
two
pieces
in
front
of
us
here
and
one
which
I'll
bring
your
attention
to
one
is
to
make
permanent
the
tax
subclass
an
important
measure
coming
out
of
covet.
But
the
other
is
for
the
city
to
explore,
and
this
is
that
staff's
advice.
A
group
insurance
program
for
live
music
venues
where
we
can
step
in
to
help
be
part
of
the
solution.
C
And
so
we
we
can't
come
out
of
covid
losing
the
entire
live
music
sector
or
a
significant
part
of
it.
We
need
all
levels
of
government
to
work
together
and
while
we
can
be
proud
of
what
we've
done
thus
far
as
a
city,
the
the
time
is
of
the
essence
to
do
more
and
so
I'll
close
there.
Mr
chair,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
for
your
relentless
leadership
on
this
file
in
particular,
and
once
again
to
the
members
of
tmac
in
our
music
office
and
edc
staff.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
councillor
cressi,
and
certainly
thank
you
for
your
leadership
on
tmac
and
sharing
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
then
thank
certainly
all
of
our
staff
team,
mike
tanner
and
and
team,
and
so
on.
So
I
won't
belabor
the
point
any
further
other
than
simply
to
ask
that
we
vote
on
the
amendments
that
you
have
put
forward.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendments
a
pose.
That's
carried
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried
and
members.
A
So
I
regret
that
deeply
because
lisa,
who
is
the
owner
of
the
phoenix
nightclub
as
well
as
she's,
also
a
part
of
our
external
advisory
for
the
nighttime
economy.
She
has
so
much
to
contribute,
maybe
as
a
suggestion,
maybe
if
she
wishes
to
put
something
in
writing
that
could
be
then
brought
forward
to
council
to
be
able
to
convey
her
thoughts
and
and
ideas
that
she
wished
to
pass
on
to
us
today.
A
But
I
deeply
regret
that
we're
not
able
to
hear
from
you
alisa,
but
we
know
that
you
have
so
much
to
contribute.
So
I
apologize
for
us
not
being
able
to
get.
I
don't
know
what
the
issues
are.
Staff
are
going
to
look
at
it
to
ensure
that
we
can
perhaps
avoid
this
from
happening
again.
So,
madam
clerk,
I
think
we've
done
everything
to
try
to
connect
her
and
so
on.
I
deeply
you
know.
I
regret
that
we're
not
able
to
connect
with
her
and
so
on.