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Etobicoke York Community Council, meeting 26, November 14, 2017 - Part 2 of 3
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A
B
C
This
is
one
of
the
issues
that
we
were
trying
to
raise.
Dips
would
require
a
sidewalk,
but
the
the
developer
has
designed
the
layout
the
blocks
to
allow
for
the
the
safe
movement
of
pedestrians
through
the
site.
You'll
note
on
page
18
attachment
one
site
plan
there.
There
is
a
walkway
between
blocks
five
and
six
four
and
three
to
two
and
one
which
will
effectively
allow
people
to
walk
through
the
site
to
Islington,
where
there's
a
bus
stop
just.
B
B
E
It's
actually
a
good
question
and
thank
you
for
raising
that
counselor.
It
would
have
been
something
we'd
like
to
have
cleared
up.
So
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
a
formal,
revised
application
for
60
townhouse
units.
If
the
applicant
chose
to
launch
an
appeal
at
the
board,
it
would
be
on
the
basis
of
that
proposal,
which
is
currently
in
front
of
the
city
by
way
of
a
formal
amendment
to
the
application.
E
If
the
applicant
chose
to
try
to
get
another
development
in
front
of
the
Municipal
Board,
they
would
have
to
formally
revise
the
application
to
City
Planning,
and
then
we
would
prepare
another
report
to
community
council
to
provide
our
recommendations
on
that.
So
the
municipal
board
changed
their
rules
a
number
of
years
ago
to
get
away
from
the
switch
and
Beit
where
an
applicant
appealed
one
thing
and
then
drag
something
else
before
the
municipal
board.
E
B
I'm
not
sure
if
you
want
to
answer
this,
but
I'll
try
if
they
decided
to
come
back
with
the
136.
We
heard
from
a
local
councillor
that
he
opposed
that.
We
heard
that
many
of
the
residents
opposed
that
so
I
probably
shouldn't
ask
this:
would
that
be
a
bit
silly
of
the
city
might
be
the
wrong
word,
but
I'm
using
it
right
now
bit
silly
of
the
proponent
to
come
back
and
do
all
that
rather
than
if
they're
going
to
oppose,
go
the
60.
What.
E
I
would
say:
is
the
Planning
Division
and
we're
very
much
aligned
with
the
residents
and
with
the
councillor
in
our
concerns
with
the
136
unit
application,
as
Phil
mentioned
it
did.
The
built
form
itself
was
a
real
problem.
You
know
used
to
be
the
Official
Plan,
so
the
only
one
who
could
answer
that,
whether
they
think
it's
a
smart
idea
would
be
the
applicant,
but
I
think
that
there
would
be
significant
opposition
opposition
all
the
way
around
on
that
application.
Thank.
H
H
You
I
think
mine
is
we'll
start
with
planning
and
we'll
figure
out
if
it's
a
transportation,
when
I
was
looking
at
the
site
plan
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
tell
me
how
the
parking
works.
I
understand
that
most
of
the
cars
or
all
of
the
cars
are
inside
garages.
Is
there
space
to
park
a
car
in
the
driveway
in
front
of
the
units
and
what
spaces
do
we
have
left
on
the
street
for
visitors.
C
There
are
72
on-site
parking
spaces,
sixty-one
per
unit
in
each
of
the
garages
for
each
of
the
units
right,
12,
visitor
parking,
surface
parking
dispersed
throughout
the
site
and,
as
I
said
in
the
morning
session,
there
is
space
for
convenience
parking
in
front
of
the
garage
on
the
driveway
leading
to
the
on-site
parking
space.
Why.
C
Parking
because
the
bylaw
requires
that
parking
be
accessible
at
all
times,
so
we
don't
recognize
tandem
parking
spaces.
If,
if
there
is
an
obstruction
to
the
on-site
parking
space
being
somebody
in
the
in
the
driveway
you
can't
effectively
park,
you
only
have
the
one
in
the
driveway,
so
we
just
recognize
the
one
that's
unobstructed
the
one
in
the
garage
is.
H
C
C
G
H
H
A
I
I
I
C
So
earlier
the
question
was
asked
and
because
the
concept
had
some
parking
underneath
the
road,
that's
one
matter
that
would
trigger
tips
not
being
applicable,
but
over
and
above
that.
What
we
inquired
from
our
colleagues
and
development
engineering
is
that
the
typology
itself,
because
they're
stacked
townhouses,
are
considered
a
building
and
therefore
dips
is
not
applicable
right.
So.
I
C
J
I
Important
for
the
community
to
understand
so
with
the
60.
There
are
concerns
with
depth
correct
so
with
the
unit
with
1200
square
feet,
selling
at
about
$450,000
each
with
one
parking
spot
in
the
driveway
as
it
was
working
underneath,
you
wouldn't
have
the
concerns
with
dips,
but
with
the
60
with
two
parking
spots
on
the
top
with
smaller
roads,
with
no
garbage
pickup
from
the
city,
which
means
no
expense
to
the
city.
C
I
K
Have
some
issues
with
respect
to
the
ultimate
design
of
the
access
driveway
to
Islington
I
mean
in
terms
of
width
and
radii
they're,
relatively
minor
issues?
I,
don't
foresee
that
those
issues
cannot
be
worked
out,
but,
aside
from
the
minor
issues,
I
would
say,
you're
correct
and
that
we
don't
have
any
significant
concerns.
Okay,.
I
So
here's
one
for
everybody,
because
the
community,
in
my
opinion,
did
such
a
great
job
right
with
as
one
of
my
constituents
that
milking
it
and
because
staff
and
and
it's
work
did
such
a
great
job
in
reducing
some
some
more
of
the
unit's
because
they
did
you
had
them.
You
had
to
move
the
some
of
the
townhouses
up,
which
means
they
had
to
cut
off
a
couple
of
units
drop
it
down
to
60.
That
was
staffs
report
that
did
that
initially,
because
all
of
that
happened
we
don't
qualify
for
section
37.
I
C
I
C
C
I
I
E
To
jump
in
here
there's
an
important
qualifier
behind
that
council.
You
have
to
get
to
good
planning
in
order
to
say
we
need
to
have
a
section
37
conversation.
The
staff
report
is
clear.
In
our
opinion,
we
haven't
got
to
good
planning
because
we
think
effectively,
there's
too
much
development
on
the
site
with
60
units.
So
even
if
you
added
61
62
63,
the
staff
position
would
be
similar
that
we
have
not
got
too
good
planning.
So
we
would
not
have
engaged
in
a
section
37
conversation.
I
E
J
C
Yeah
you're
not
gonna,
get
an
Escalade,
but
you
can
fit
a
normal
sized
car
and
and
what
it's
a
total
width
of
the
actual
unit
the
unit
depends.
They
vary
from
I
think
it's
4.6
to
just
under
six
the
the
blocks
that
back
on
to
the
residential
neighborhood
to
the
west
they're
just
under
six
meters
in
width,
which
is
the
infill
townhouse
guideline
requirement
for
an
integral
garage,
so
they're
just
under
it.
Oh
that's.
H
K
J
L
C
Blocks
with
the
garages
that
are
integrated
are
on
attachment:
1
mm-hmm
block
8,
7,
5,
6,
3,
&
4,
so
the
interior
blocks
the
two
blocks
that
front
Islington
have
their
garages
in
the
back.
They
effectively
have
two
frontages
a
proper
front,
fronting
on
to
Islington
and
a
convenience
door
in
a
garage
fronting
on
to
the
private
road.
C
So
it's
all
done
privately.
It's
all
private
and
it's
designed
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
it's
designed
to
a
fire
route
for
the
internal
units.
Our
standard
would
be
8
meters
so
that,
if
for
some
reason
that
car
is
parked
there,
even
on
the
short
term
that
emergency
vehicles
can
get
around
it
with
8
meters
at
6
meters,
there
can
be
no
obstructions.
I
And
I
think
that,
under
the
circumstances,
this
is
the
only
motion
that
I
can
move
at
this
particular
time.
We
have
gone
through
a
very
in-depth
consultation
process
with
the
community
staff
and
the
Builder,
and
at
the
beginning
of
this
process,
136
you
stacked
units.
There
was
absolutely
no
way
anybody
could
have
agreed
with
with
that
concept
and
the
developer
and
the
Builder
were
told
that
there's
no
way,
that's
gonna
happen.
I
So,
after
after
the
dialogue
that
I
had
described
earlier
took
place,
it
took
about
a
year
and
a
half
to
get
where
we're
at
the
reality.
Situation
is
as
much
as
some
people
might
want
to
tinker
with
this
there.
There
won't
be
any
more
tinkering
in
my
opinion
and
I'm
not
willing
to
take
that
chance,
because,
if
I
take
that
chance,
I
know
Council
just
sat
and
others
talked
a
little
bit
about
what
would
happen
at
the
OMB,
even
if
they
came
back
at
with
another
application
of
which
they
might
I
I.
I
Don't
want
to
take
that
chance.
I
think
the
community
has
very
been
very
clear
in
terms
of
what
they
can
support
and
it's
the
60
units
that
they
can
support.
Do
we
want
the
rooftops
a
little
lower
yeah?
Do
we
want
to
push
something
a
little
further
off
of
your
yeah,
but
are
you?
Are
we
gonna
do
that
at
the
risk
of
an
appeal
at
the
interior
municipal
board,
where
we
don't
have
a
say
anymore,
no
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
willing,
as
the
local
council,
to
recommend
that
to
my
community
or
to
my
colleagues.
I
I
Do
we
want
it
zone
the
way
it
is
at
this
particular
time
on
the
site
to
allow
perhaps
for
some
of
the
uses
to
be
on
that
site.
The
community
doesn't
want
that.
It's
zoned
for
for
shelter
use
this.
Is
the
community
want
that
right
now?
No,
we
want
to
rezone
it.
So
there's
another
argument
to
rezone
that
particular
site.
I
It's
not
just
about
what's
proposed
in
front
of
us
what
it's
about,
what
could
potentially
happen
in
the
future,
and
so
when
the
when
the
75
member
rapier
Association
comes
forward
and
says
we
want
it
to
go
this
way,
what
they
don't
recognize,
I
think
or
they
miss
the
dialogue
in
the
community
one
or
the
other
is
that
eventually
a
high-rise
building
might
might
end
up
on
the
site.
Based
on
on
an
unofficial
plan
amendment,
a
shelter
could
be
put
there
tomorrow,
without
without
any
consultation
with
the
city
it
can
just
be
built.
I
Is
that
the
right
thing
for
me
to
do
after
listening
to
community
what
they're
prepared
to
do?
No,
it's
not
so
I
have
to
I
have
to
at
one
point
or
another
say:
we've
consulted
things
to
death.
I
commend
our
staff
for
being
there
and
being
patient.
We
knew
this
was
going
to
come
the
dips
it
didn't.
It
didn't
satisfy
our
dips
and
we
knew
that
okay,
but
anything
else
outside
the
dips
didn't
work
for
the
community.
236
stocked
units
did
not
work
for
the
community
that
that,
in
our
opinion,
isn't
solid
planning.
I
Yes,
this
is
a
private
venture
with
the
chill'n
garbage
pickup.
It's
like
any
other
condominium
that
we
have
approved
in
the
past
in
Ward.
7
dips
has
been
forgiven
in
so
many
other
areas:
the
old,
the
old
workers,
compensation
site,
we
forgave
dips.
For
the
same
reasons.
We
did
not
want
high-rise
there
we
didn't
want.
We
didn't
want
the
the
original
proposal
on
that
particular
site
of
skyscrapers
and
we
didn't
want
stock
towns
there
to
the
to
the
degree
that
they
wanted
to
build
them.
So
we
had
to
forgive
debts.
I
For
that
reason
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
us
doing
that
in
this
particular
case
it
protects
the
community.
By
approving
my
motion,
it
doesn't
put
them
at
risk
I'm
concerned
that
there
are
some
residents
in
that
area
that
want
to
put
the
community
at
risk
and
I.
Think
it's
for
political
reasons,
and
you
heard
some
of
the
deputation.
I
You
ask
yourself
the
question
it
wasn't
until
after
this
this
particular
application
was
formed
and
the
dialogue
took
place
that
this
repair
Association,
all
of
a
sudden,
becomes
a
rape,
Care,
Association,
typically
I
think
we
all
know
what
that
really
really
means
right
and
I
think
you
saw
that
with
the
deputation
it's
more
than
what's
best
for
the
community.
It's
about
attacking
others
and
I'll.
Leave
it
at
that,
because
I
I
for
one
don't
think
we
should
be
jeopardizing
the
community
for
politics,
so
36
versus
60
I
have
no
choice.
The
community
agreed
to
it.
I
We
got
no
choice,
you
heard
from
transportation.
They
have
no
real
concerns
with
it.
We've
increased
parking
on
each
other,
each
of
those
townhouses
from
1
to
2.
So
that
means
that
we've
taken
care
of
the
the
major
concerns
along
your
Avenue
you're,
not
going
to
get
the
influx
of
vehicles
actually
parking
on
your
Avenue,
so
I'll
just
wrap
up.
Mr.
chairman
and
I
think
all
of
you
know
the
circumstances
now
I
hope
you
could
support
my
motion.
You.
A
Can't
remember
any
further
speakers
seeing
none
councillor
Melanie's
motion
is
on
the
screen
a
minute
on
the
screen.
All
in
favor
opposed
carried
clause
amended
all
in
favor
opposed
carried
euy,
26.6
request
for
direction
report,
2442,
24:54,
Bloor,
Street,
West
and
1-9
River,
you
guards
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application.
We
have
a
couple
of
speakers.
K
My
name
is
Jay
Zimmerman
and
Steve
had
to
leave.
We
thought
we
were
gonna
be
on
earlier,
but
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
present
our
view.
So
mr.
chairman
and
members
of
council
I'm
here
today
on
behalf
of
the
blur
West
Village
residents,
Association
we've
been
in
existence
for
over
10
years,
and
we
represent
seven
neighborhoods
north
of
Bloor,
Street
and
East
of
the
Humber
River,
including
the
old
mill
area,
which
directly
abuts
the
proposed
development.
K
Regretfully,
the
proposed
development
at
2442
to
24:54
blur
Street
West
fails
in
a
number
of
very
significant
ways
to
accomplish
this,
but
I
will
be
brief
and
to
the
point
we
believe
the
staff
report
by
mr.
Carville
Eno
has
thoroughly
articulated
all
of
the
concerns
which
are
shared
by
a
large
majority
of
our
community.
The
proposed
redevelopment
is
simply
too
big
and
out
of
scale
for
the
location
and
is
completely
at
odds
with
the
city's
vision
for
intensification
along
the
avenues
that
respects
local
scale
and
character.
K
B
K
There
was
a
pre
hearing
in
September
we
registered
as
a
party.
We
have
gone
through
this
process
with
you
several
times
previously.
We've
engaged
an
independent
lawyer
and
planner
to
work
with
us
and
I
mean
Phil's
report
is
going
to
talk
about
the
significant
issues
for
us.
Basically,
we
look
at
the
mid-rise
performance
standards
and
see
that
the
building
should
be
no
higher
than
a
one
to
one
ratio
of
the
street
right-of-way
to
the
height
of
the
building.
K
Building,
in
our
opinion,
comes
in
at
at
least
50
percent
higher
than
the
mid
rise
performance
standards
allow
as
well.
The
rear,
angular
plane
of
the
building,
which
should
be
taken
from
the
rear
lot
line,
has
magically
moved
from
the
lot
line
to
the
north
of
the
green
P
parking
lot,
which
is
owned
by
the
city
and
in
our
opinion
the
city
would
be
giving
up
incredible
value
if
it
allowed
into,
if
it
allowed
private
developers
to
claim
air
rights
and
development
rights
over
its
property.
K
K
K
K
K
No
no
I'm
saying
no,
the
I
mentioned
it
only
because
the
for
the
mid-rise
performance
standards,
the
rear,
angular
plane
a
45
degree
angle-
is
supposed
to
be
calculated
from
the
edge
of
the
lot
in
question.
The.
If
you
look
at
the
proposal
from
Plaza
Corp,
they
have
not.
If,
if
this
is
the
edge
of
their
lot
and
the
building
is
going
here,
the
green
pea
parking
lot
extends
almost
50
percent
or
more
I
can't
remember
exactly
beyond
the
law
to
the
north
and
magically
the
45-degree
angle,
which
should
be
calculated
from
their
lot
line.
K
K
A
J
J
My
name
is
Veronica
win
and
I'm
at
this
point
at
this
meeting,
I
am
speaking
in
my
capacity
as
vice
president
of
the
Swansea
area
rate
payers
Association
and
which
has
been
in
existence
since
1914.
So
we've
got
lots
of
experience
under
our
belt,
the
Swazi
area
repairs
a
support
really
gladly
support
this
motion
for
direction
for
the
city
legal
to
be
part
of
the
upcoming
OMB
mediation
and
hearing,
and
we
appreciate
really
appreciate
the
comprehensive
report
and
all
its
details.
J
We
feel
is
the
a
reference
to
the
impact
on
the
people
to
the
south
and
the
people
in
the
south,
of
course,
coming
up
the
South
Kingsway
there.
We,
of
course
it
just
hits
you
right
in
the
face,
as
it
does
with
the
the
two
previous
ones
to
the
west,
and
our
interest
is
in
protecting
the
zoning
in
the
in
the
neighborhoods
coming
from
the
secondary
plan
and
the
angular
plan
measurement,
as
stated
by
Jay,
is
this?
Is
this
a?
J
Is
this
a
mid-rise
or
is
it
a
tall
building
I
live
in
a
condo
and
I
can
tell
you
that
this
my
condom
is
the
same
height
as
this
as
its
proposed
development
and
it's
considered
a
tall
building
so
but
it
also
has
the
detriment
of
being.
You
know
you
have
the
massing
which
goes
across,
which
is
allowed
in
the
mid
rise
guidelines,
but
as
a
tall
building.
It
is
definitely
larger.
Suppose
we
have
point
towers.
J
Added
to
the
added
to
the
problem
in
at
this
site,
the
Bloor
Street
slopes
down
to
a
river
Riverview
gardens,
and
this
is
the
slope,
but
it
also
goes
when
you
go
from
blue
or
down
to
review
gardens.
It
also
slopes
down
that
way
too.
So,
by
the
time
you
have
54
at
the
back
with
the
angular
plane
measurement
that
they
have
decided
it
should
be.
J
J
J
A
B
C
There's
there's
a
divide
that
happens:
it
bisects
the
site
into
the
southern
portion
of
the
lands
through
most
of
the
the
area
is
zone
mixed
use
and
then
that
corresponds
to
the
for
municipal
boundary
of
the
city
of
the
former
city
of
Toronto.
The
north
part
of
the
lands
was
part
of
the
former
city
of
York
and
those
lands
are
zoned
r1
which
allows
you
a
detached
dwelling.
The
reality
is
on
the
ground:
you've
got
mixed-use
Main,
Street
type
development,
two-story
office,
some
retail
at
at-grade.
Back
in
2008.
B
C
We
have
had
inquiries
on
both
TPA
Lots
on
both
sides
of
Riverview.
As
you're
well
aware,
the
the
official
plan
envisions
some
form
of
neighborhoods
development
to
ultimately
occur
on
those
lands.
So
we
try
to
protect
the
integrity
of
the
neighborhoods
designated
properties
by
incorporating
things
like
those
angular
planes
that
the
two
residence
groups
have
noted
to
you
and
how.
L
J
C
J
C
C
J
N
J
J
A
O
O
C
We
we've
been
working
well
with
the
proponent.
My
understanding
is
difficult.
At
the
design
review
panel
twice
now,
they've
received
some
some
good
feedback.
My
understanding
is
that
they
will
continue
to
work
with
staff
and
the
five
other
parties
through
mediation.
They've
asked
for
board
assisted
mediation.
K
C
O
E
Thank
you.
Yes,
sorry.
If
I
made
it
just
interjected
just
to
advise
all
members
of
community
council,
mr.
Carville
II
knows
quite
right.
The
new
regulations
for
the
entire
municipal
board
are
imminent.
We
understand
they
will
be
coming
out.
We
heard
by
the
end
of
November.
What
we
have
experienced
is
a
rash
of
Appeals
in
advance
of
that,
so
what
Community
Council
will
be
seeing
over
the
next
little
while
is,
of
course,
a
rash
of
requests
for
directions.
E
Report
reports
in
response
to
that
a
lot
of
property
owners
have
decided
they
would
rather
dance
with
the
devil
they
know
than
the
one
that
they're
not
sure
what
they're
going
to
get
once
the
province
announces.
What
the
changes
to
the
municipal
board
are
so
just
as
a
general
heads-up,
you
be
seeing
a
lot
of
requests
for
Direction
reports
coming
through
on
the
next
agendas
prior
to
the
the
recess
next
summer.
I
have
a
follow-up
question
question.
E
You,
mr.
chairman,
the
city,
has
made
presentations
to
the
provincial
government
on
a
number
of
occasions
about
changing
those
timelines.
We're
not
aware
of
what
the
regulation
changes
that
the
province
is
going
to
be
dropping,
nor
is
a
development
industry.
So
that's
why
there's
so
much
concern
and
so
much
angst
about
it.
We
have
mentioned
any
number
of
times
that
180
days
will
work.
I,
don't
know
pick
a
municipality
Kapuskasing,
maybe
but
doesn't
work
in
the
Toronto
context.
E
P
E
Rob's
gonna
be
really
tired.
It's
basically
the
answer.
Well
through
you
mr.
chair
each
one
of
these
applications
has
planning
staff
assigned
to
it
as
well
as
city
legal
staff.
We
have
been
I
guess
it
depends
how
you
want
to
phrase
this.
We
have
been
advised
by
a
number
of
the
applicants
that
these
are
quote
unquote,
friendly
appeals
that
they
are
just
protecting
their
rights
to
be
adjudicated
under
the
rules
that
they
understand.
The
applicants
have
advised
that
they
will
continue
to
work
with
staff
to
resolve
the
issues.
E
My
personal
opinion
is
there's
no
such
thing
as
a
friendly
appeal.
It
puts
it
into
an
adversarial
situation
that
meaning
you
do
it.
Having
said
that,
we
will
address
them
as
each
one
comes
along
is,
if
application,
if
these
kinds
of
things
spin
out
of
control
to
the
point
where
we
can't
figure
out
how
to
address
them,
I
guess
the
city
solicitor
will
be
bringing
forward
something
to
Council
to
speak
to
that
as
it
stands.
E
B
B
There's
five
parties
at
the
OMB
they're,
all
asking
for
mediation.
We've
got
private
individual
people,
whose
properties
back
onto
the
green
pea
wanting
to
be
at
a
table
to
make
this
a
better
building.
I
understand
that
a
lot
of
proponents
right
now
have
gone
to
the
OMB,
because
they'd,
rather
what
there
is
there
now
than
what
they
don't
know
about.
I
have
two
of
those
and
if
there's
going
to
be
a
friendly
appeal,
that
might
be
those
two
because
they
have
not
requested
a
hearing.
This
is
not
one
of
them.
B
This
is
a
hearing
has
been
requested.
We
had
a
pre-application
meeting,
we
filled
the
theater,
we
filled
the
Humber
Odeon
theatre,
with
probably
between
200
and
300
residents.
We
then
had
our
planning
meeting
as
well,
where
a
lot
of
residents
come
out
as
you've
heard
since
2008
the
proponent
has
now
purchased
more
property.
We
have
beside
it
going
to
the
West,
a
10
and
a
12
story,
building
which
were
designed
and
built
before.
Mid-Rise
came
in.
B
This
is
at
56
meters
on
Bloor
Street,
where
it
should
be
30
that
doesn't
even
take
into
consideration
going
down
the
hill
to
residents
at
the
back
behind
north
of
us.
This
building
is
gonna,
be
a
mammoth
if
it
is
allowed
to
go
ahead
in
the
forum.
It
is
right
now.
We've
also
heard
that
the
green
pea
could,
at
some
point
in
time,
be
built
on
it
could
have
townhouses.
If
this
building
goes
ahead
as
proposed,
they
won't
even
have
an
hour
of
sunlight.
B
So
we
have
to
not
just
look
at
what
is
being
proposed.
Now
for
what
Bloor
Street
is
now,
we
have
to
look
at
the
possibility
that
some
day
that
green
pea
could
be
built
on
the
residents
in
this
neighborhood
have
gone
through
to
have
two
buildings.
In
the
plan,
when
I
first
became
counselor,
we
were
just
finalizing
the
two
buildings
there.
It
was
at
the
OMB
and
we
came
up
with
a
settlement
three
days
before
the
hearing.
B
My
residents
are
not
anti-development,
they
just
don't
want
to
be
coming
along
Bloor
Street
and
having
this
mammoth
wall
they're
imposing
everything
they
want,
this
to
be
good
development
in
the
right
place,
pedestrian
friendly,
but
also
friendly
to
the
residents
who
live
north
and
south
of
this
we
are
going
to
have
concerns
with
the
traffic.
This
intersection
at
South,
Kingsway
and
blur
spilling
over
to
Jane,
and
blur
is
already
trying,
at
the
best
of
times,
often
impossible
to
get
through
at
the
worst
of
times.
B
So
all
we're
asking
here
is
support
the
staff
recommendation
we're
at
the
O
and
B
any
way
that
our
residents
have
a
chance
to
mediate
with
a
proponent,
to
get
a
better
development
here,
which
everyone
can
be
happy
with
we'll
bring
in
fantastic
new
residents
to
our
ward,
but
we're
not
absolutely
decimating
what
below
Street
should
be.
So
as
I
say,
our
residents
are
working
very
hard.
B
They
are
wanting
to
shape
a
building,
so
height
isn't
the
only
issue
here.
It's
also
the
massing
of
the
building.
You
could
have
a
14
story,
building
which
looks
amazing
and
doesn't
overshadow
people.
You
can
also
have
a
10
story
block
which
is
ugly
and
doesn't
fit
as
well.
What
we're
wanting
to
do
is
look
at
the
whole
massing
of
the
building,
make
sure
that
the
angular
plane
is
calculated
from
the
right
place.
B
A
D
D
We
moved
into
our
home
on
Prince
Edward
Drive
25
years
ago,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
change,
but
the
rebuilding
of
the
street
in
front
of
my
house
and
massive
condo
developments
are
the
biggest
changes
we
had
legal
on-street
parking
until
1998.
After
this
traffic
calming
measure
was
removed
and
the
street
was
narrowed.
In
my
view,
speeding
got
worse
now
the
cars
at
the
top
of
my
block,
just
south
of
the
church
at
the
Kings
Way,
stop
at
the
stop
sign
and
look
south.
They
see
a
free,
open,
smooth
straight
road
in
front
of
them.
D
They
see
the
twinkle
of
street
lights
at
blue
street
in
the
distance
and
zoom
from
the
intersection
at
great
speed,
zoom
zoom
thousands
of
times
a
day.
We
are
as
a
dental,
collector,
Road
homes
and
churches.
The
most
unique
problem
we
have
is
our
sidewalk.
The
west
side
of
our
block
is
the
only
part
of
Prince
Edward
that
has
no
grass
or
trees
to
separate
the
sidewalk
from
the
zooming
cars
the
sidewalk
slopes
at
every
driveway.
D
We
have
no
stop
signs
at
King
George's,
but
we
do
have
a
fork
in
the
road
that
encourages
fast,
turns
onto
King
George's
frequent
collisions
at
King
George's
go
unreported
because
people
are
afraid
of
insurance
companies.
Just
last
Thursday
there
was
an
enormous
collision
there.
So
what
happened
was
stop
my
kids
from
dismissing
my
concerns.
Well,
they
saw
me
on
the
6
o'clock
news.
Last
year
there
I
was
in
shock
behind
the
reporter,
as
she
described
yet
another
pedestrian
killed
by
a
car
near
the
LCBO
at
Wendover
and
blur
just
two
blocks
from
my
house.
D
A
94
year
old
woman,
full
of
life
and
vigor
was
killed.
I
will
spare
you
the
details
of
what
I
saw
as
I
tried
to
help
her
of
what
haunts
me.
I
will
not
judge
who
is
at
fault
here
the
driver
of
the
pedestrian,
but
it
is
interesting
to
note
that,
shortly
afterwards,
heavy
white
lines
were
painted
on
the
street
in
an
attempt
to
make
things
safer.
This
is
classic
prevention.
D
When
I
was
a
young
woman,
I
worked
for
many
years
as
a
public
health
nurse
for
this
very
city,
my
job
was
to
teach
prevention
and
promote
health
prevention,
and
health
promotion
are
cornerstones
of
an
entire
department.
In
this
city,
an
army
of
employees
in
the
health
department
are
trying
to
make
our
cities
safer
and
healthier.
So
you
can
imagine
how
delighted
I
was
to
hear
about
vision,
zero
vision,
zero
is
the
program
recently
adopted
by
our
city.
D
D
Public
participation
is
central
to
vision,
zero,
and
so
here
we
are
earlier
this
year,
I
petitioned
my
neighbors
on
both
sides
of
the
street
between
the
Kings,
Way
and
King
George's
overwhelmingly
people
are
very
concerned
about
the
speeding,
older
neighbors
are
afraid
to
cross
the
street.
Young
mothers
are
afraid
for
their
children,
walking
to
school
people
afraid
when
exiting
their
driveways
people,
afraid
of
the
health
effects
of
the
constant
noise,
the
trucks,
the
illegal
trucks
and
their
exhaust
I'm
sure
you've
heard
it
all
police
with
no
resources
to
ticket
the
abusers.
D
Please
help
us
the
2016
traffic
calming
guide
for
Toronto
outlines
dozens
of
ways,
vision,
zero
can
be
applied.
We
need
speed.
Humps
I
will
quote
The
Globe
and
Mail
editorial
page
from
only
three
days
ago,
our
car
centric
cities
and
suburbs
to
easily
become
killing
fields
for
those
navigating
them,
especially
the
elderly.
If
you
want
to
save
lives,
slow
down
the
vehicles.
D
O
D
D
The
two
are
related
because
we
want
to
prevent
people
walking.
We
want
to
prevent
pedestrians,
forget
from
getting
hit
by
cars
and
by
painting
white
lines
on
the
street.
We
created
a
more
safe,
safe
intersection,
where
maybe
that
incident
would
have
happened
on
Prince
Edward.
We
have
nothing,
we
don't
have
any
white
lines,
we
don't
have
enough,
stop
signs,
we
don't
have
a
reduced
speed.
We
don't
have
speed
bumps.
We
have
people
walking
along
a
street
where
cars
are
constantly
zooming
and
there's
no
grassy
Boulevard.
There's
nothing.
D
D
O
D
Also
says
that
thousands
of
cars
are
going
over
the
maximum
posted
speed
limit,
which
is
40.
So
if
you
add
3900
and
1300,
that's
thousands.
Thousands
of
cars
are
going
over
the
posted
maximum
speed
limit,
which
is
40
so
actually
a
very
small
percentage
of
are
going.
The
posted
speed
limit
the
proper
limit.
O
P
D
J
D
In
1998
and
I
remember
this
because
the
road
was
renovated.
The
year
I
had
my
second
child
and
I
was
trying
to
sleep
and
I
couldn't
sleep,
the
road
was
narrowed
and
we
had
when
I
bought
my
house.
We
had
on
street
parking
on
my
side
on
the
west
side,
so
there
was
a
barrier
between
the
traffic
and
people
walking.
The
barrier
was
the
parked
cars.
Okay,.
J
D
J
D
J
D
A
Q
I
did
distribute
sorry
I'll,
be
timing.
Me
I,
submitted
in
advance
of
this
meeting
a
two-page
document
opposing
the
proposed
speed
humps
on
Prince
Edward
Drive
north
with
this
color-coded
map
providing
a
context
of
other
neighborhood
streets
and
of
the
locations
of
the
neighborhood
fire
and
ambulance
services
and
I'd
appreciate
it.
If
you'd
refer
to
this
map
now,
I
do
have
more
copies.
If
that
overhead
is
hard
to
see
prints
headway
drive
north
is
nine
blocks
long.
It's
colored
pink
on
the
map.
Q
It's
a
city
designated
collector
Street
running
through
the
Kingsway
neighborhood
between
blue
at
the
South
Dundas
at
the
north.
At
present,
it
has
four
speed
humps
on
two
blocks
at
its
northern
end
between
Queen
Anne
and
government
Road
because
of
the
location
there
of
Lambton
Kingsway
school.
It's
a
school
calming
measure
speeding.
Problems
have
been
occurring
as
you've
heard
on
Prince
Edward
on
blocks,
sofa,
Queen
Anne
between
blue
and
Queen
Anne,
but
therefore
to
support
new
speed.
Humps
would
I
think
be
a
huge
mistake.
Q
Anti
speeding
measures
on
Prince
Edward
drivers
certainly
needed,
but
some
other
than
speed
humps.
Nothing
else
has
yet
been
tried.
First,
speed.
Humps
divert
traffic,
as
confirmed
in
the
city's
own
traffic
calming
policy
traffic
has
to
go
somewhere
if
it's
discouraged
on
one
Street,
it
turns
to
other
streets.
Q
If
more
speed
humps
are
installed
on
the
collector
Prince
Edward
Drive
north,
they
will
divert
traffic
speeding
problems
onto
the
Kings
way
and
onto
neighborhood
lawn
collector
streets,
and
then
there
are
these
streets
which
are
colored
green
on
the
map
would
provide
drivers
with
known
Hunt
routes
through
the
neighborhood
risks
of
traffic.
Speeding,
accidents,
including
pedestrian
injuries
and
deaths,
would
simply
be
shifted
from
Prince
Edward
Drive
north
to
these
other
streets,
some
of
which
do
not
even
have
continuous
sidewalks.
Q
Q
Second,
and
even
more
importantly,
the
proposed
speed
humps
would
slow
emergency
vehicle
response
times
throughout
the
Kings
Way
area,
because
Prince
Edward
Drive
north
is
the
most
direct
straight
fastest
access
route
for
both
Toronto
Fire
and
Toronto
paramedic
services
into
the
whole
Kingsway
neighborhood
between
blurred
at
the
South
Dundas
at
the
North
Royal
York
Road
to
the
west,
which
are
all
in
red
on
the
map
and
Kings
Way
Crescent
to
the
east.
This
is
an
area
of
40
to
50
square
blocks.
Q
The
neighbourhoods
fire
station
is
on
Prince
Edward,
Drive
south,
it's
down
there
at
the
bottom
of
the
map.
Just
below
blue.
The
ambulance
station
is
on
the
south
side
of
Dundas,
just
west
of
Prince
Edward
Drive
north,
and
it's
near
the
top
of
the
map.
You
can
see
the
situation
clearly
speed
out
slow
emergency
vehicle
response
times.
It's
a
fact
and
the
more
humps,
the
slower
the
response
times
in
a
911
emergency
even
seconds,
can
make
the
difference
between
life
and
death.
More
speed,
humps
all
along
Prince,
Edward
Drive
north.
Q
In
addition
to
the
four
existing
at
the
school,
with
seriously
reduce
the
response
times.
Our
emergency
vehicles
to
911
situations
throughout
the
whole
neighborhood,
both
Toronto
Fire
and
the
paramedic
services,
have
written
letters
opposing
the
new
speed
humps.
Given
these
clear
letters,
the
city
staffs
report
on
speed,
humps
should
have
been
I
believe
and
they
get
a
recommendation.
Perhaps
the
staff
didn't
understand
the
neighborhood
geography,
including
where
those
fire
and
ambulance
stations
are
located.
Fire
and
safety
risks
should
be
given
more
weight
than
the
meeting
of
technical
warrants.
Q
The
proposed
speed
humps
present
very
real
fire
and
medical
risks
to
the
whole
Kingsway
neighborhood.
A
final
problem
also
related
to
emergency
vehicle
response
times
is
what
I'll
call
speedy
pump
creep.
Diversion
of
traffic
and
speeding
from
Fort
Edward
Drive
north
onto
other
neighborhood
streets
would
inevitably
lead
to
these
streets,
also
petitioning
for
speed
humps,
which
is
installed
with
further
slow
emergency
response
times.
Residents
when
they're,
citing
traffic
petitions
don't
normally
think
about
fires
and
medical
emergencies.
Several
neighborhood
streets,
other
than
Prince
Edward
Drive,
have
already
recently
petitioned
for
traffic
calming.
Q
They
haven't
yet
met
the
technical
warrants,
but
they
soon
will
if
traffic
is
diverted
onto
therefore
Prince
Edward,
and
we
all
have
a
neighborhood
obstacle
course.
The
proposal
for
new
speed,
humps
on
Prince
Edward
should
be
rejected
and
other
kinds
of
traffic
calming
measures
certainly
needed,
should
be
considered.
My
two-page
document,
which
I
submitted,
gives
some
examples
of
possibilities.
All
residents
of
the
neighborhood
are
directly
adversely
affected
by
this
speed
house
proposal.
B
You
very
much
for
coming
over
here.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
today
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I.
We
found
it
when
we
arrived
seems
like
hours
ago
this
morning,
so
from
your
map
you're,
showing
that
there's
an
ambulance
station
on
Dundas
right
and
would
Prince
Edward
Drive
be
one
of
its
main
routes
to
get
down
into
the
community
right
now
that.
Q
Is
its
main
route?
It's
on
the
south
side
of
Dundas,
so
it
turns
right
onto
Dundas,
doesn't
have
to
cross
the
traffic
and
then
right
onto
Prince
Edward
Drive,
the
only
other
ways
it
has
of
getting
into
the
neighborhood.
If
it
wants
to
go
west,
it
has
to
go
through
that
involve
loop,
interchange,
Road
if
it
goes
east
there's
a
very
short
street
which
is
in
green
on
the
map
that
goes
down
to
government
Road
and
then
there's
Kings
Way
Crescent
right
over
at
the
very
edge
of
the
area.
Q
B
B
Q
The
speed
humps
extend
past
the
school
to
the
south
for
two
reasons:
one
the
park
is
there,
but
mainly
because
there's
a
hill
from
Queen
Anne
down
to
the
school,
and
if
drivers
don't
slow
down
before
they
get
down
to
that
area
of
the
school,
it
may
be
too
late
for
them
to
stop.
So
the
speed
won't
stop
them
as
they're
coming
down
the
hill.
Q
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
could
be
tried.
What
dismays
me
is
that
nothing
else
has
been
tried
yet
and
I
know
it's
frustrated
the
residents,
because
they've
asked
for
certain
measures
and
have
been
impeded
in
one
way
or
in
others,
so
they're
getting
fed
up,
but
I
think
that
these
things
could
certainly
be
tried
and
could
be
tried
much
faster
than
putting
in
speed
humps.
Q
Is
certainly
what
that
is?
Certainly
one
of
the
streets
I
think
that's
probably
the
first
street
that
we
get
diversion
and
the
Kings
Way
did
request
12
speed
humps
about
ten
years
ago
and
was
persuaded
by
a
group
of
residents
put
together
by
the
counselor's
office
to
look
at
a
whole
neighborhood
in
terms
of
what
was
happening.
Q
If
the
recipe
don't
some
Prince
said
where
it
is,
it's
going
to
go
on
King's
way,
but
I
think
it's
also
going
to
go
on
to
probably
some
of
these
other
streets
that
I've
drawn
in
green
on
the
map.
There
are
a
lot
of
other
streets,
a
neighborhood
I've
just
put
the
green
in
to
show
the
ones
where
traffic
is
likely
to
go
if
they
find
they're
frustrated
by
speed
humps.
On
Prince
Edward.
B
A
H
For
having
me
here
and
allowing
me
to
voice
my
opinion,
I
actually
live,
we
actually
live
right
on
the
corner
of
King
George's
and
Prince
Edward,
and
we've
been
there
almost
10
years
and
almost
from
day
one
that
we
moved
there
I
thought
we
probably
made
a
mistake,
because
all
you
see
is
cars.
Just
flying
back
and
forth
up
and
down
the
road.
I've
seen
drag
races
right
in
front
of
my
house,
I've
seen
motorcycles
Sunday
night
coming
back
from
the
weekend.
H
Just
flying
up
and
down
Prince
Edward
Council
mentioned
that
the
average
speed
was
found
to
be
about
53
kilometers
when
it's
posted
40,
that's
approximately
33%
over
the
speed
limit
and
that's
quite
high
in
a
residential
area.
If
we
did
33
133
kilometers
of
the
I
over
for
speeding
on
any
major
major
highway,
so
I've
actually
had
my
own
incident
there.
H
About
two
years
ago,
I
was
in
my
driveway
and
I
looked
both
ways:
I
was
I
was
backing
out,
but
I
did
look
both
ways
and
I
gave
myself
sufficient
time
to
back
out
before
I
knew
it.
A
car
speeding
from
Bloor
came
around
behind
me
and
actually
tried
to
get
around
me
on
the
uncoming
oncoming
lane
and
I
actually
clipped
his
back
corner.
So
he
must
have
been
I,
don't
know
how
fast
he
would
have
been
going,
but
I
was
backing
out
and
he
tried
to
go
around
me
and
I
clipped
his
back.
H
The
back
of
his
vehicle
and
believed
I
was
held
responsible
for
that,
because
I
hit
his
vehicle,
even
though
he
was
trying
to
go
around
me
on
the
oncoming
traffic
lane.
So
I
think
one
of
the
big
problems
is:
are
the
blue
lights
or
are
seen
from
Prince
Edward
about
a
block
and
a
half
to
two
blocks
away
and
when
they
see
a
green
light
up
at
blur
street
they're?
H
Just
thinking
about
getting
through
that
green
light
and
they're
speeding
and
they're
going
fast-
and
there
are
a
lot
of
kids
in
the
neighborhood
I
have
two
kids
myself
and
we
have
many
many
traffic
accidents
at
that
intersection
on
a
monthly
basis
happening
there.
So
there
is
a
problem.
I
think
that
speed
bumps
are
part
of
the
solution,
but
I
think
as
councilor
as
mentioned
earlier.
H
Reducing
the
speed
to
30
kilometers
an
hour
would
also
help
and
I.
Think
mayor
Tory
also
mentioned
that
there
may
be
some
speed
photography
happening
in
the
near
future
in
Toronto
as
well.
I
think
that
would
be
a
solution
as
well,
but
that's
too
far
too
long
to
wait
for,
but
there
is
a
major
problem
on
on
Prince,
Edward
and
and
the
lights
on
blur
Street
I
think
are
what
attracts
the
speed,
because
they
just
want
to
make
it
through
the
light.
J
A
L
The
question
I
have
is
related
to
the
speed,
because
speed
and
noise
are
part
of
the
same
problem,
but
I
concur
with
the
earlier
speakers
say.
The
speed
of
cars
come
on
north
of
the
of
blur.
Street
is
sometimes
incredibly
far
above
40
and
I
agree
again
with
those
coming
so
is
who
want
to
hit
that
green
light?
L
But
I
know
that
the
one
problem
that
I'd
like
to
bring
up,
which
is
not
exactly
on
subject,
there's
the
noise
of
those
cars,
and
sometimes
there
are
cars
and
small
trucks
motorcycles
without
without
mufflers
at
all
or
if
they
have
they're
deliberately
designed
to
make
noise,
and
they
can
make
incredible
racket
at
40.
But
you
know
when
you
hear
them
much
higher,
that
their
speed
is
also
very
much
higher.
L
Sometimes
I
can
hear
them
at
1:30
in
the
morning
4:30
in
the
morning,
and
if
they're
going
along
the
street,
I
can
hear
them
as
far
as
say
South
Kingsway.
They
make
that
much
racket
and
why
there
is
no
enforcement
of
the
legislation
that
must
exist
to
curtail
that
kind
of
activity.
I
have
no
idea
and
I
wonder
if
the
subject
has
come
up
for
discussion
before
and
if
anything
be
done
about
it.
L
L
Transmission
of
sound
shakes,
my
host
to
his
very
foundations
and
I
brought
the
subject
up
with
my
concert
or
I
haven't
heard
much
about
it,
but
I
hope
that
something
can
be
done
about
it.
They
could
have
the
music
I,
don't
have
to
shake
the
neighborhood
with
the
with
a
deep,
sound
and
before
I
go
one
last
thing.
It's
also
do
with
traffic
is
I
understand
that
City
Council
has
been
working
on
legislation.
L
Maybe
it
that
about
trying
to
save
cyclists
and
pedestrians
lives,
but
the
corollary
to
that
effort
should
be
an
attempt
to
get
the
cyclists
themselves.
I
know
the
pedestrians
walking
wrong
across
streets
with
her
head
in
a
telephone,
but
before
dawn.
Sometimes
when
I'm
had
enough
to
the
golf
course
it's
before
dawn
and
there
are
cyclists
without
lights,
no
backlight,
no
front
light
and
dark
clothing
and
the
same
at
night,
and
it's
especially
dangerous
after
dark.
They
haven't,
got
a
hope
of
if
a
motorist
has
a
moment's
lack
of
focus,
they're
gone.
L
A
P
And
the
motion
will
read
that
at
Oh
boohoo,
your
Community
Council
received
the
report.
October
20th
2017
from
the
director
transportation
service
is
a
Tobago
York
district
for
information
and
number
to
request
the
director
transportation
services
at
Opel,
York
District,
to
investigate
and
always
stop
at
King
George's
Road
and
Prince
Edward
Drive
north.
P
You
know
oftentimes
with
traffic
calming
it's
it's
a
no-win
scenario
for
for
residents
in
the
community
and
we're
faced
with
making
this
very
difficult
decision.
I
can
tell
you
that,
as
part
of
this
process,
once
we
listen
to
the
concerns
of
those
that
lived
on
Prince
Edward,
we
wanted
to
see
and
hear
from
the
residents
in
the
adjoining
streets.
We
actually
hand-delivered
fliers
to
all
the
streets
coming
off
of
King
George's
and
there
is.
There
is
a
not
underestimated:
a
lot
of
opposition
to
slowing
down,
King,
George's
or
sorry
slowing
down
Prince
Prince
Edward.
P
Of
course,
all
the
phone
calls
I've
gotten.
We
heard
from
Lydia
today
with
respect
to
another
accident
last
week
at
this
intersection,
so
hope
that
we
can
support
looking
at
this
right
away.
I
will
also
be
asking
staff
through
this
review.
You
know
if
it
makes
sense.
I
know
staff,
don't
like
roundabouts,
I've
heard
it
loud
and
clear
many
times
over,
but
if
it's
something
we
can
look
at
here,
where
it
really
slows
down
traffic
so
that
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
use
the
Prince
Edward
as
a
as
a
drag
strip.
P
O
I'm,
just
gonna
I'm
gonna
support
the
the
motion.
I
know
the
area
well,
I
think
that
an
always
stop
is
an
order
there.
A
roundabout
would
be
far
better,
but
you
know
we
all
love
roundabouts,
but
I
think
that's
I,
think
that's
an
excellent
move
and
just
as
a
point
of
information,
I
had
two
streets
there
in
a
very
similar
situation
recently,
where
we
did
polling
for
traffic
on
both
were
both
were
warranted
and
when
it
went
to
when
it
went
to
a
vote
among
the
people
on
the
street.
O
Actually
that
was
not
the
in
one
case,
there
was
not
enough
support
further
for
the
traffic
coming
and
the
traffic
calming
was
that
even
wasn't
even
speed.
Humps
it
was
chicane
which
are
a
little
less
intrusive
and
so
on
on
on
Summit
crest,
the
polling
results
were
not
high
enough
and
on
LaRose
the
outright
voted
against
it.
So
stop
signs
are
one
measure
by
which
cars
absolutely
have
to
come
down
and
come
to
a
stop.
Sign
and
I
have
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
that
one
there
will
be
warranted
Thank.
A
I
Gonna
support
the
motions
but
I'm
not
a
fan
of
stop
signs
because
I
don't
think
they
work
I.
Think
most
people
assume
that
others
are
paying
attention
when
it
stop
signs
and
there
are
more
accidents
around
stop
signs.
Anything
else,
I've
been
here
long
enough
to
know
that
so
I'll
let
councillor
to
channel
kind
of
go
through
is,
is
process,
try
and
get
them.
You
know
if,
if
it
meets
the
warrants
for
lights,
then
that's
what
you
should
have
it
at
that
corner.
I
I
In
my
opinion,
roundabouts
keep
traffic
moving
and
they
stop
traffic
and
they
stop
speeders
and
it's
just
a
wonderful
way
of
doing
our
job
without
putting
lights
in
and
without
going
crazy
people
do
at
the
end
of
the
day,
support
the
roundabouts
I,
remember
putting
a
roundabout
in
Council
in
Giada's
area
when
I
represented
it
a
number
of
years
ago
before
she
did
and
and
before
before
we
put
the
roundabout
in
everybody,
was
having
accidents
on
that
intersection.
They
were
going
through
there
smashing
through
fences
and
and
front
porches,
and
and
it
was
crazy.
I
The
tractor
trailers
that
were
cutting
through
in
that
particular
community
was
crazy.
So
it
was
very
controversial
at
the
time,
but
it
ended
up
doing
the
trick.
No
speeders,
no
tractor
trailers,
all
because
of
a
simple
small
little
island
that
seems
to
work
so
I.
Don't
know
why
we're
not
putting
more
councillors
channel,
put
put
one
in
you'll,
probably
get
all
of
us
supporting
that.
If
you
want
to
do
that
tomorrow,
tractor
trailers
are
are
only
a
good
thing
on
the
highway
and
even
then
there's
everything.
A
Is
it
all
in
favor
opposed
carried
Clause
minute?
All
favor
oppose
carried
okay,
just
the
most
cubic
items
without
three
items:
I'd
like
to
introduce
council
Hall,
D
26:40
regards
a
local
appeal
body,
hearing
counter
to
Giorgio.
41
notice
of
appeal
dropped
plans
for
condom
in
twenty
five,
twenty
to
twenty
five
to
forty
two
Keele
Street
and
26:42
by
eight
counselors,
Ford
and
nuns.
The
other
regard
to
mechanical
leave
collection,
so
I
need
a
motion
to
put
those
on
the
agenda.
Nobody
counter
this
at
all.
A
A
L
L
On
the
street
a
couple
of
streets
down,
there
are
two
six-foot
wooden
fence,
the
side
by
side
in
front
yards,
and
we
see
more
and
more
of
these
things
for
privacy
concerns.
I
think
we
have
to
be
concerned
about
security
and
also
about
the
visual
appearance
of
the
streetscape.
It
really
changes
and,
in
effect,
what
this
particular
hedge
does.
It
cuts
us
off
from
our
neighbor
Center
from
the
sidelines
to
the
neighbors.
L
As
the
applicant
has
shown
in
the
number
of
houses
that
have
also
violated
the
front
yard
hedge
issue,
this
is
an
issue
in
the
neighborhood
and
it's
only
going
to
grow.
If
you
adopt
this
recommendation,
we
also
found
that
the
city
staff
report
was
very
thorough
and
outlined
all
the
issues,
and
we
are
concerned
that
if
you
do
grant
the
motion
that
you
put
us
in
a
position
of
having
to
police
the
hedge
and
making
sure
that
it
would
really
stay
the
way
it
is
on
a
recent
visit
to
Belgium.
L
We
saw
the
same
type
of
hitch
in
an
American
Cemetery
of
war
and
it
was
20
feet
high
and
it's
very
dense
and
it's
an
ideal
screening
mechanism
for
privacy.
So,
in
hindsight,
in
conclusion,
I
would
like
to
ask
you
to
consider
the
direct
impact
on
were
directly
impacted.
Neighbors
across
the
street.
Don't
have
the
same
issues
it's
for
them.
It's
an
a
visual
thing
for
us.
It's
a
security
issue
and
I
would
like
you
to
not
to
approve
the
motion.
Thank.
J
J
Rule
II
said
most
of
what
needed
to
be
said,
but
I
would
would
like
to
add
that
I
feel
cut
off
from
the
rest
of
my
neighbors.
I
walk
out
of
the
front
door
and
I
have
on
one
side
this
huge
hedge.
On
the
other
side,
I
have
a
wooden
fence.
Now,
that's
about
a
lot!
That's
allowed!
It's
not
an
issue
but
I
feel
like
I'm
living
in
a
tunnel.
We
have
new
neighbors
unless
I
walk
out
to
the
street.
J
I,
don't
see
anyone
on
the
street
because
we're
one
in
where,
as
I
said,
the
but
lot
so
we
are
truly
cut
off
from
everything
that
happened
south
of
us
and
and
the
security
issue
is
ruli
said
unless
you're
standing
directly
across
the
street.
You
cannot
see
what
is
happening
on
our
property.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
council,
my
wife
and
I
would
ask
Council
to
consider
our
request
to
grant
an
exemption
for
our
existing
live
plant
front
hedge,
as
well
as
the
other
front
and
rear
fence
enhancements.
In
particular,
our
request
is
to
allow
1.8
litre
front
hedge
and
maximum
2.4
meters
supplementary
rear,
fencing,
our
rear
fence.
Expensing
exceeds
2
meters
only
in
sections
that,
in
total
covers
less
than
one-third
of
our
rear,
lineage
footage
and
is
largely
concealed
by
tall
plants
and
trees
residing
in
other
neighbourhood
properties.
F
In
terms
of
the
front
hedge,
which
we
understand
is
the
only
real
issue
of
concern
exceeding
the
1.2
meter
front
fence.
Bylaw
is
very
common
in
our
mature
neighborhood,
as
shown
in
the
samples
in
my
attachments.
In
many
cases,
the
height
variants
significantly
exceeds
the
allowance
and
sometimes
by
an
order
of
magnitude.
As
importantly,
many
over
height
front
hedges
in
the
neighborhood
are
within
close
distance
of
the
municipal
street,
which
presents
a
potential
safety
hazard.
F
Although
our
plants
exceed
the
height
bylaw
by
0.6
of
a
meter,
we
have
considered
the
impact
on
our
neighbors
and
have
planted
to
only
half
of
our
available
frontage
setting
back
a
full
7
meters
from
Princeton
Road.
This
ensures
that
there's
no
obstruction
to
our
neighbors
or
their
guests
earlier,
as
they
are
able
to
safely
back
out
of
their
driveway.
F
Cutting
them
back
to
the
bylaw
height
will
compromise
the
look
of
these
plants
by
presenting
a
short,
stumpy
appearance
that
would
not
look
right
in
front
of
our
home.
We
also
recognize
that
the
plants
are
organic
and
could
eventually
exceed
the
proposed
exemption
height.
However,
this
is
a
slow,
growing
central
stock
plant,
which
is
therefore
very
easy
to
maintain
at
the
proposed
eye
level
height,
so
the
trimming
is
infrequently
required
and
does
not
require
a
ladder.
F
Finally,
in
designing
our
softscape
plan
with
our
landscaper,
we
chose
this
particular
plant
because
of
its
hardiness
tolerance
to
urban
conditions,
easy
maintenance
and
for
its
natural
beauty.
In
fact,
this
particular
plant,
calm
and
dwarf
beech
is
being
used
more
and
more
for
privacy
hedges,
including
in
our
neighbors
own
front
yard,
by
the
same
landscaper
because
of
its
natural
characteristics
suited
to
our
climate.
It
is
on
the
Toronto
approved
list
of
city
plants.
F
H
J
J
F
J
F
F
I
A
P
Intention
of
the
motion
is
to
essentially
grant
the
edge
in
the
front
because,
with
with
approximately
I
understand
it's
close
to
the
property
line,
but
with
respect
to
the
length
between
the
hedge
in
the
street,
I,
don't
see
it
as
a
big
problem,
considering
all
the
other
homes
in
the
area
that
are
in
a
non-conforming
manner,
as
well
with
respect
to
the
fencing.
I
really
don't
know
where
to
start.
You
know,
and
it
doesn't
give
me
pleasure
to
have
to
come
in
and
get
involved
between
neighbors,
but
there's
a
lot
of
bylaw
infractions
here.
K
P
A
Got
okay?
We
have
to
hold
it
down
the
motion,
not
ready,
so
we'll
come
back
to
that.
I'll
come
back
to
15,
moving
right
along
the
16
application,
defense
exemption,
30
Porsha
Williams
Lane!
Are
there
any
speakers
on
sir
Williams
Lane,
seeing
none
questions
of
staff
seeing
none
councillor
Campbell
so.
A
O
Going
to
move
the
alternate
I
move,
the
alternate
recommendation,
I,
so
I
went
out
and
I
visited
this
particular
location
and
there
are
there
are
there
are
the
proper
fencing
is
up
to
prohibit
intruders
from
getting
near
the
pool
area,
and
so
from
my-
and
this
is
quite
common
in
in
my
particular
so
on
this
is
so
I
worked
26:16
I'm
granting
number
to
the
alternate
recommendation.
That's
why
I'm
moving
any.
R
A
L
P
H
A
H
First,
is
that
a
gate
be
installed
on
the
site
to
ensure
emergency
access,
I
think
that's
something
they
plan
to
do,
anyways
to
make
sure
that
they
had
access
to
the
site
and
I'm
also
going
to
limit
the
life
of
the
exemption
to
the
life
of
the
fence
or
the
first
building
permit.
That
comes
up
on
the
site,
because
essentially
this
is
a
vacant
field
and
the
applicant
expressed
that
defense
all
to
keep
illegal
dumping
at
bay
and
I,
understand
and
appreciate
that
and
support
that.
H
But
at
some
point
in
time
an
application
will
come
in
to
develop
the
site
and
at
that
time
will
have
to
revisit
the
purpose
of
the
fence
and
whether
it's
something
that
should
be
their
permanent.
So
one
of
the
other
clauses
is
that
that
should
a
site
plan
be
done
for
this
site
that
a
fence
would
be
considered
as
part
of
that
process.
I
hope
you
will
support
this.
Thank.
A
J
O
A
A
Counselor
to
moving
18
to
Fertile
next
day,
all
in
favor
opposed
carried.
Are
we
ready
for
15,
no
still
not
ready
for
15
move
Mary
lon
26:19
application
for
fence
exemption
26
pregnant
Avenue?
Are
there
any
speakers
on
Prenton
Avenue,
pregnant
Avenue,
seeing
none
counter
to
channel
flora,
Shores
questions
to
staff?
No.
P
A
C
You
good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name
is
Robbie,
and
here
with
me,
I
have
my
wife,
Carrie
and
my
mother.
You
know
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
speak
on
this.
When
my
wife
and
I
purchased
our
home
eight
years
ago.
It
was,
unfortunately,
it
was
advertised
with
the
parking
pad
and
since
it's
our
first
home,
we
didn't
do
any
of
the
homework
to
really
verify
it.
But
that
was
the
case.
C
So
we
were
a
little
surprised
when
we
found
that
we
needed
to
basically
apply
for
our
parking
permits
at
the
time
we
felt
it
necessary
to
apply
for
this
permit,
because
it
was
our
intention
to
eventually
purchase
an
electric
vehicle
which
requires
daily
charging,
we're
a
pretty
environmentally
conscious
family,
we're
one
of
the
few
homes
in
the
neighborhood
participating
in
the
micro
fit
program.
So
we
have
a
six
kilowatt
solar
panel
array
on
our
roof.
C
We
drive
a
hybrid
car
as
parents
we
do
our
best
to
kind
of
teach
our
daughter,
the
value
of
conservation,
both
from
an
economical
point
of
view
and
an
environmental
point
of
view.
As
you
know,
our
permit
application
has
been
denied
as
a
result
of
it
being
within
a
tree
per
tree
protection
zone.
We
understand
the
bylaw
and
the
transportation
services
managers
reason
for
a
recommendation
to
deny
the
permit
when
you
purchase
the
home.
C
We
love
the
fact
that
we
had
a
strong
sturdy
maple
in
our
front
yard,
I'm
shading
our
house,
and
so
we
were
saddened
to
hear
that
our
pad
may
have
been
harming
the
tree
which
we've
cared
for
since
we've
moved.
In
aside
from
that,
however,
our
our
circumstances
have
changed
since
we
applied
for
the
permits,
we're
currently
making
plans
for
my
mother
to
come
and
stay
with
us.
C
My
mother
is
widowed,
she's,
retired
and
she's
disabled.
She
currently
has
a
handicap
permit
for
her
own
vehicle,
but
it's
finding
it
difficult
to
stay
mobile
on
her
home.
My
wife
and
I
are
also
concerned
about
her
health
as
well.
So
as
a
result,
we've
actually
decided
to
build
an
addition,
so
we
can
have
more
space
for
her
to
live
with
us.
Our
six-year-old
daughter
would
greatly
enjoy
the
opportunity
to
spend
time
with
their
grandmother
as
well,
so
having
a
parking
pad
would
greatly
improve
our
ability
to
care
for
our
mother.
C
It'll
make
it
easier
for
my
mother
to
maintain
her
own
mobility
and
independence,
and
for
those
reasons
we
humbly
ask
you
to
allow
us
to
have
this
permit.
We
have
read
the
transportation
services
managers
reports
and
the
conditions
outlined
if
we
were
to
obtain
this
permits
and
permit,
and
we
are
more
than
happy
to
cooperate
and
will
follow
any
conditions
recommended
by
the
manager
and
this
council.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
Sorry
I'm
going
to
approve
the
front
yard
parking,
but
the
alternate
okay
and
and
the
deputy
tents
are
fine
with
that,
so
I
did
I,
didn't
speak
to
them
and
I've
had
a
number
of
meetings
with
the
residents
on
the
street
as
well.
When
we
talked
about
parking,
there
was
a
big
issue,
so
I
am
encouraging
members
of
council
to
support
this
and,
as
was
mentioned,
the
resident
there
they're
thinking
of
getting
an
electric
car
as
well
so
they'll
need
the
proper
facility
to
plug
the
car
in
yeah.
So
I'm
supporting
that.
A
Counselor
done
Janice
moving
the
emotions
on
the
screen;
they're
all
in
favor
opposed
carried
Cosman.
All
in
favor
opposed
carried
26:14
front
yard
parking
appeal.
That's
we
just
did
that.
One
2659
request
press
report,
three,
eight,
six:
three:
nine
four
Symington
avenue:
405
Perth,
Avenue,
17,
kingly
Avenue
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application.
We
have
a
couple
speakers,
Andre
Visser.
Mr.
Visser,
welcome,
sir.
G
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
here
today.
Mr.
mark
Grimes,
my
name
is
Andre
Besser
I
live
in
Perth
Avenue
in
Ward
17.
We
are
a
group
of
approximately
70
residents
who
are
concerned
about
the
proposed
development
at
386,
394
and
405
Perth
and
17
Kingsley,
and
we
have
received
party
status
from
the
OMB
and
we
will
be
participating
in
the
upcoming
mediation
in
January.
2018
I
am
here
to
urge
you
to
adopt
the
city's
final
report
on
this
development,
as
it
fairly
reflects
many
concerns
we
have
with
the
proposed
development.
G
The
current
version
of
the
proposal
ignores
the
needs
of
our
community
and
the
residents
who
would
move
into
this
development.
The
current
proposal
has
too
much
density
and
it's
much
too
tall,
given
its
location
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
The
site
is
adjusting
to
two-story
homes
on
all
sides
and
a
school
on
one
side
and
two-story
homes,
including
on
the
south
side.
On
the
other
side
of
the
rail
tracks.
This
site
is
very
different
from
a
subway
or
a
major
intersection
where
towers
are
usually
built.
G
The
current
proposal
does
not
have
adequate
plan
for
parking,
nor
doesn't
have
an
adequate
plan
for
traffic.
The
site
is
next
to
a
school
and
it
is
on
a
unusually
narrow
street
that
it's
being
that's
going
to
be
proposed
at
it's
only
access
point
for
this
condo
development
to
go
in
and
out.
The
development
does
not
consider
the
impact
of
this
entrance
point
that
we'll
have
on
the
school's
foot
traffic
on
the
street
traffic
for
the
local
residents.
The
current
proposal
does
not
have
any
three-bedroom
units.
G
This
is
not
usage
that
is
compatible
with
our
community,
which
is
home
to
many
many
families.
We
are
encouraged
to
see
the
city
staff
identify
many
of
the
same
concerns
that
has
brought
us
together.
As
a
group
and
our
city,
the
city
staff
has
clearly
identified
how
this
proposal
is
out
of
line
with
the
city's
official
plan.
G
We
support
the
development
in
our
Ward,
but
we
want
to
ensure
that
it
fits
with
the
needs
of
our
neighborhood.
We
urge
you
to
adopt
the
city's
final
report
on
this
development
as
a
sign
that
you
are
representing
the
voices
of
the
constituents
in
our
neighborhood
and
the
future
constituents
in
this
Ward.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
N
You,
mr.
chairman,
Andrew,
first
and
foremost
thank
for
coming
good
come
here.
Is
you
mentioned
that
we're
representing
17
residents,
and
also
you
had
the
party
status
that
was
granted
even
being
in
terms
of
clarification,
is
as
part
of
the
starters?
Do
you
have
to
go
through
an
incorporation
into
the
process
together
to
that.
G
N
On
that,
I'll
be
more
than
glad
to
have
just
great
I
want
to
in
the
record
now
you
measure
about
concerns
in
terms
of
with
the
current
format
of
the
development
in
terms
of
family
units,
traffic
law,
trafficking
situation,
and
there
were
other
issues
that,
during
the
public
meeting
that
was
held
in
June
of
2016,
that
he
had
to
do
with
the
bill
form
and
as
well
as
there
was
no
family
unit.
Second
staff.
And
so
in
principle.
N
G
Do
support
it
first
of
all
in
principle:
the
community
does
support
it.
Our
incorporating
body
supports
it,
but
we
want
it
done
with
less
height.
We
want
it
more
three.
We
want
three
bedroom
units,
we
want
families
to
grow
in
our
community
and
we
want
a
better
traffic
and
parking
assessment
on
the
neighborhood
as
it
stands
right
now.
N
There
was
some
changes
and
I'm
saying
this
and
probably
asking
questions
it's
that
along
those
lines,
but
there
has
been
a
number
of
changes
to
the
original
proposal.
That
probably
may
address
some
of
those
concerns,
and
if
that's,
if
that
was
the
case,
if
there
was
a
way
out
not
only
on
Tinsley
but
perhaps
to
Symington
or
maybe
change
in
the
traffic
flow
on
Perth,
that
will
help
as.
G
Well,
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Yes,
I
couldn't
agree
with
you
more
I
think
that
if
there
was
a
change
to
directly
to
Symington
from
what
it
is
now
I
think
with
the
group
that
I'm
representing
that
we're
here
today,
we
would
find
it
a
lot
more
appeasing,
because
the
traffic
and
parking
impact
right
away
would
be
better.
But
yes,
that
would
be
a
great
suggestion,
but
I
also
think
that
we
want
more
three
bedroom
apartments
as
well.
That's
part
of
what
we
want.
G
We
want
families
to
grow
and
come
to
the
community
and
live
in
the
community
and
stay
in
the
community.
We
have
a
wonderful
school
right
beside
it.
We
have
parks
a
brand
new
park
very
close
by
that
is
fantastic,
and
with
that
we
want,
we
think
it
would
be
a
better
value
added
to
the
community.
If
we
had
that,
how
do
you
feel
about.
N
G
Think
it's
great
I
think
it's
a
little
small
from
what
I
understand
from
what
I've
read
in
the
proposal,
but
I
think
it's
a
fantastic
place
to
put
it
by
the
road
in
Kingsley
I
believe.
If
I
read
it
correctly,
the
diameter
was
I
believe
it
was
if
I
remember
correctly
was
like
eight
meters
by
eight
meters.
I
can't
remember,
don't
quote
me
on
that.
I
was
actually
a
really
small
green
space
that
I
found
that
really
didn't
give
the
value
added.
At
that
point,
you're.
N
Absolutely
right,
it
was
even
smallish
liberal
and
he
was
about
14
11
meters
by
by
40
meters,
but
that
has
been
changed
through
the
discussions
that
with
the
planning
staff
and
so
the
allocation
has
been
increased
from
what's
required,
Andre
in
nineteen
square
mirrors
and
that
has
been
increased
to
1667
square
meters,
which
is
more
than
double
than
what's
required.
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
thank
you.
There
has
been
some
changes
to
it
absolutely,
but
we
didn't
know
that
yet.
N
Were
you
aware
that,
prior
to
the
five-year
official
trans
review
that
took
place
in
2013,
there
was
a
working
group
within
the
community
with
community
members,
community
leaders
that-
and
that
was
after
the
closure
of
the
National
robbing
industries
to
figure
out
what
was
the
vision
of
the
community
on
those
lands
in
water
to
do
with
it?
And
there
was
a
working
group
that
was
very
functional
for
four
years
and
eventually
and
presented
a
plan
afraid
to
see
this
tab
in
terms
of
adopting,
perhaps
a
vision.
N
That
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
lands
were
given
the
designation
from
industrial
to
residential.
Were
you
aware
about
that?
Yes,
fantastic,
and
they
was
part
of
it
as
well.
Yes,
he
was
yes,
I
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
in
terms
of
community
consultation
wherever
else
in
all
the
meetings
that
hadn't
taken
place,
that.
I
K
What
I
can't
understand
is
how
they're
allowed
to
put
retail
on
Symington
Avenue,
if
I
recall
correctly,
when
they
got
the
change
from
employment
lands
to
neighborhood.
One
of
the
conditions
was
they
can't
introduce
retail,
and
now
this
new
development
or
the
new
development
of
the
development
comes,
and
they
want
three
retail
stores
facing
some
inked.
K
A
K
On
the
corner
of
LinkedIn
Kingsley
Avenue,
it's
a
narrow
street
right
now,
they're
redoing,
the
laneway
beside
our
house
when
they
unload
equipment
like
traffic's
tied
up.
That's
how
narrow
this
street
is.
They
wanted.
They
want
to
bring
traffic
in.
For
this
whole
development
on
a
street
that
doesn't
hardly
let
two
cars
by
that's.
N
To
have
you
here,
there
I
think
we
can
is
we
had
a
number
of
conversations
in
the
past
as
well
as
I,
believe
two
or
three
meetings
and
my
constituency
offset
your
request
with
some
of
your
neighbors
from
Symington?
Is
that
correct
yeah?
Some
of
the
concerns
that
you
brought
forward
is
to
my
attention.
Yes,
he
had
to
do
the
retelling
part
in
terms
of
construction
nuisances.
If
this
development
was
to
be
approved,
the
traffic
law
and
and
also
if
a
private
driveway
was
to
be
built
behind
the
houses
on
Symington.
N
L
N
K
First
of
all,
there's
there's
a
pharmacy
on
the
other
side
of
the
tracks,
which
is
not
even
a
hundred
meters
away.
It
just
happened:
okay
pharmacies!
Fine!
At
that
time,
you
were
talking
about
a
six
story.
Building
with
a
nursing
home,
not
a
24
storey
tower
right
against
us.
I
mean
that
that
was
the
talk.
Then.
K
N
A
question
given
the
level
of
gentrification
that's
taking
place
in
the
community.
We
have
young
professionals
with
young
families.
Moving
in
things
are
changing
with
that.
We
have
new
pressures
in
terms
of
the
social
infrastructure
for
the
community.
If
some
of
that
space,
retail
space
was
to
be,
let's
say,
have
tactically
speaking
at
this
point
for
daycare
space.
N
K
O
Sir,
it's
Daniel
argh
nosey
and
thank
you
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I
promise
to
be
very
brief.
I've
been
here
all
morning,
so
I
know
it's
a
pretty
stacked
docket,
but
I
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
acknowledge
that
our
client
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
has
reviewed
the
report
and
is
noted
by
staff.
This
has
been
a
highly
iterative
proposal.
It's
been
subject
to
a
number
of
revisions.
O
There's
been
a
very
concerted
effort
to
work
through
issues
as
staffs
identified
them
and
while
we're
disappointed
with
the
staff
recommendations,
we
also
note
that
staff
is
committed
to
ongoing
discussions,
as
committee
may
be
aware.
Of
this
matter
is
scheduled
for
OMB
mediation
in
January
and
I
would
note.
There
is
a
specific
concern
with
one
of
the
recommendations
in
item
3
G,
which
pertains
to
the
method
or
the
manner
in
which
development
charge
credits
would
be
calculated.
But
I've
had
a
very
brief
discussion
with
mr.
O
Byrne
on
this,
and
this
will
be
subject
to
further
discussion
as
we
go
through
the
mediation
process.
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
the
concerns
that
some
of
the
residents
have
identified
and
if
I
can
take
members
of
the
committee
back
to
the
initial
appeal
that
was
filed
of
OPA
231,
which
our
client
had
pursued
at
the
intera
Mizpah
board.
O
If
the
speakers
noted
this,
but
our
clients
also
consented
to
the
residents
being
made
actual
parties
to
the
OMB
hearing,
as
well
as
to
the
mediation,
so
that
dialogue
with
the
residents
and
their
concerns
will
be
addressed
moving
forward
and
we're
hopeful
that
we
can
work
through,
hopefully
all,
but
if
not
all
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
identified
in
the
staff
report.
Thank.
N
You
mr.
Thomas,
for
coming
down,
is
you
just
mentioned
about
about
the
residents
that
they
also
had
para
styles,
which
is
great
and
I?
Think
that
way
we
can
get
into
having
a
real
conversation
in
terms
of
the
concerns
will
be
there.
Look
immunity,
I'm,
very
glad
to
hear
that
now
and
I
believe
that
was
generally
20
2016.
N
O
N
O
I
appreciate
the
question
counselor
placer,
so
in
response,
the
appeal
of
OPA
231
was
taking
issue
with
a
number
of
matters,
one
of
which
was
that
the
proposed
designation
at
the
time
for
the
site
was
two
neighborhoods,
as
opposed
to
what
our
client
had
requested
through
the
comprehensive
review
of
an
apartment
neighborhoods.
There
was
also
concerned
with
the
30
meter
setback
requirement
that
was
stated
as
a
mandatory
requirement
when
our
client
submitted
the
application.
O
Although
it
was
deemed
complete,
staff
took
the
position
that,
because
there
was
an
ongoing
appeal
of
OPA
231,
the
site,
specific
application
would
have
to
be
reported
through
planning
and
growth,
and
there
was
a
concern
that
going
through
that.
That
process
would
not
allow
the
matter
to
be
addressed
more
fulsomely
at
the
local
level.
O
Through
this,
this
committee
of
council,
and
so
there
was
an
agreement
made
and
reached
with
city
staff
that
we
would
agree
to
withdraw
the
appeal,
but
it
was
not
to
be
used
to
prejudice,
be
ongoing
application
that
was
seeking
an
apartment,
neighborhoods
designation,
and
by
doing
that,
it
would
allow
the
application
to
then
proceed
through
the
normal
channels
of
local
Community.
Council
my.
O
A
Thank
you
signal
for
the
questions.
Thank
you
any
further
speakers
to
the
item.
Seeing
none
just
before
we
go
to
questions
of
staff,
counselor
Palacio,
some
deputies
from
15
waiting,
so
I
think
counselor
de
channels
motion
is
ready
on
the
65
Princeton
Road
before
you
move
that
council
channel
councillor
Holly's
not
to
speak
for
15
seconds,
I.
H
Just
I
want
to
make
the
point
that
I
appreciate
the
work
that
councilor
de
channels
done
to
Shepherd
this
through.
However,
I
suspect
that
the
homeowner
may
not
be
asked
to
cut
the
hedge
back
2.4
meters
from
the
front
and
I
just
think.
That's
the
right
thing
that
to
do
and
I
hope
that
homeowner
voluntarily
complies
with
that
Thank.
P
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
it's
posted
there
that
topical,
your
community
council
grant
the
application
for
a
fence
exemption
submitted
by
the
property
owner
of
65
Princeton
Road
to
allow
the
front
hedge
to
be
maintained,
as
erected
and
director
require
that
the
hedge
be
maintained
in
good
repair
without
alteration.
P
A
A
N
They're
seeking
direction
from
City
Council
to
opposite
applications,
a
current
form
and
the
city
is
party
to
them
to
the
OMB
already
so,
I
think
that
recommendation
is
just
fine
recommendation.
Number
two
is
make
make
so
much
sense
in
terms
of
continued
continuing
the
negotiations
with
the
applicant
and
the
residents
as
well
in
number
three,
if
the
only
worst
work
to
allow
the
appeal,
I
think
that's
extremely
important
to
secure
is
all
these
sections
and
subsections
of
recommendation
number
three
that
will
benefit
the
community.
N
My
residents,
a
member
which
chairman
members
of
council,
my
residents
are
not
anti-development.
They
just
wanted
something
that
they're
going
to
be
proud
of
its
they've
been
waiting
for
too
long
and
they
they
like
to
have
a
development.
That's
comparable
with
the
rest
and
in
the
purpose
of
having
the
mediation.
Is
the
I
think
the
right
thing
to
do
at
this
point
now
with
regards
to
them
to
the
subjective
development.
I
just
wanted
to
to
say
a
few
words
in
terms
of
how
we
got
to
this.
N
That
site
was
the
former
site
of
the
National
rubbery
industries
that
closed
down
about
ten
years
ago,
and
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
been
there,
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you.
What
happened
is
that
the
Ministry
of
the
Environment
got
involved
due
to
the
number
of
polygons
cap
public
complains
and
that
in
talk
about
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
other
complains
that
had
to
do
with
air
pollution,
strongest
males
noise,
traffic
congestion,
I'm
talking
about
24/7,
with
huge
trailers
coming
in
going
from
there
from
that
company.
N
So
it
was
a
real
library
and
I
had
to
deal
with
that
almost
on
daily
basis.
There,
since
I
live
just
two
blocks
from
there.
So
now
my
request
I
did
ask
to
form
a
a
local
working
group
with
community
residents
there
and
I'm.
Naturally,
a
system
from
the
planet,
vision
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
planet
still
here,
it
was
a
few
Cavallino
who
was
an
amazing
planner.
N
N
N
It
has
been
significantly
amended
since
the
first
submission
that
they
made
so
I
just
wanted
to
mention,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
you
and
also
it
has
been
a
lot
of
changes
since
we
had
that
meeting
the
Police
Service
11th
division
back
in
June,
13
16,
where
a
number
of
concerns
were
raised
with
them
brought
forward
at
this
point,
literally
speaking,
I
was
eager
to
have
the
final
report
before
us.
So
I
can
call
a
public
meeting.
We
can
have
meaningful
discussions
as
he
related
to
the
development
I.
N
Do
support
good
development
in
terms
of
good
principles
of
planning
when
it
comes
to
to
inform
in
the
community
or
in
terms
of
listening
to
the
community
I'm
all
great
and
I'm,
hoping
that
I
do
Andy
will
end
up
with
something
that's
going
to
be
functional
and
we
can
be
proud
of,
and
so
on
that
note
I
really
want
to
thank
my
community,
all
of
you
for
attending
for
in
part
to
the
process
and
city
staff
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
You
know
any
further
speakers
seeing
none
cancer
plot
shows
moving
the
staff
recommendations.
All
in
favor
opposed
carried
moving
right
along
26.4
final
report,
Long
Branch
neighborhood,
to
character
guidelines.
We
have
a
number
of
speakers,
our
first
speaker
of
inste
Larry
mr.
Stowell
Larry,
here
I
was
weighing
okay
well
without
a
David
Batok.
S
Members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
David,
may
talk,
I'm
a
lifelong
resident
of
Etobicoke
for
the
last
26
years
in
property
owner
with
my
family
in
Long,
Branch
and
I'm
here,
to
urge
you
to
vote
against
adopting
this
guideline.
I
submitted
this
morning
a
12
pages
of
some
of
the
reasons
why,
frankly,
I
got
tired
of
reading
through
the
report
and
enumerated
all
the
reasons
why
so
I'm
just
going
to
use
my
5
minutes
today
it
was
in
what
turns
out.
S
It
will
be
rhetorical
questions
because,
as
chairman
Grimes
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago,
you're
not
here
to
answer
questions
I'd
like
to
know
rhetorically,
why
it
was
a
priority
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
when
there's
so
many
other
priorities
in
the
city
in
child
welfare
in
swimming
pools.
Why
was
necessary
to
spend
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
this
particular
guideline
report?.
S
S
The
makeup
of
Long
Branch,
according
to
statistics
available
in
the
city
website,
so
that
92%
of
the
properties
are
27
years
old
or
older,
55
percent
of
the
properties
are
57
years
of
age
or
older,
and
yet,
when
we
talked
about
revitalization,
it
seems
that
this
the
guideline
is
going
to
stagnate.
Long
branch
I
was
part
of
the
process.
S
I
have
examples,
I
enumerate
enumerated
them
in
the
12
pages
that
I
sent
you
and
lastly,
I.
Don't
think
I've
heard
this
perspective
put
before
any
city
body
in
the
past,
but
I'm
really
concerned
about
individual
property
rights,
the
red
tape
that
it
takes
to
have
a
single
consent
passed
before
the
City
Planning.
S
It
seems
to
me
that
this
is
you
know,
community
building
by
committee,
and
that
is
part
of
the
process,
but
why
so
little
value
to
what
the
individual
property
owner
wants
to
do
with
their
own
property?
The
thing
that
we
have
to
pay
taxes
on
the
the
amounts
of
money
that
are
required
to
even
apply
for
a
consent.
S
B
J
B
When
we
got
here,
I
am
very
interested
in
this
study,
because
this
is
a
kind
of
tool
my
residents
desperately
would
like.
So
are
you
aware
that
some
residents
really
would
like
something
like
this
and
I
know?
You
are
saying
it
costs
a
lot
of
taxpayers
money,
but
are
you
aware
that
this
report
will
help
neighbors
residents
associations
when
a
committee
of
adjustment
comes
in,
which
is
way
beyond
a
minor
variance?
This
will
give
you
a
planning
tool
to
help
you
if
you
want
to
dispute
it.
B
S
Well,
it's
a
rezoning
application,
so
I'm
completely
aware
that
people
do
support
this,
but
my
other
point
would
be
that
I
was
part
of
this
process.
The
resulting
final
draft
is
totally
skewed
towards
what
was
originally
planned,
which
was
to
eliminate
severance
--is.
That's
a
stated.
It
was
stated
by
councilor
Grimes,
initially
in
his
fall
and
winter
newsletter.
We're
gonna,
stop
severance,
is
in
long
range
and
that's
exactly
what
the
end
report
has
done.
B
These
studies-
you
don't
ever
know
what
the
end
result,
would
be
because
you
don't
you
haven't,
studied
your
community,
you
haven't
got
it
all
in
one
place.
What
kind
of
built
form
you've
got
so
I
support
counts
the
grimes
they're
trying
to
prevent
severance
--is.
This
is
another
reason
why
this
would
be
important
to
my
residence
because
we
are
getting
severance
--is.
But
are
you
aware
that
you
can't
dictate
your.
S
Grams
or
else
what
you
said,
so
what
what
is
the
minimum
amount
of
severance
is
that
will
be
allowed?
None,
that's
what
this
is
suggesting.
We
don't
want
any
change
in
our
neighborhood.
We
want
to
revitalize
a
home,
a
stock
of
homes
that
are
57
years
old
and
older,
like
new
families,
and
if
you
look
at
the
demographics
of
Long
Branch,
it's
a
lot
of
mature
adults
and
new
families
are
basically
going
to
have
to
live
in
townhouses,
because
the
older
homes
aren't
up
to
today's
standards.
They
don't
want
an
energy,
inefficient,
60-year
old
house.
B
Can
be
done
within
the
guidelines
within
the
zoning
of
your
property,
and
you
can
still
make
a
very
modern
weather,
some
many
neighbors,
like
it
or
not
house,
to
fit
in
still
with
the
character
of
your
neighborhood,
which
is
what
usually
residents
want
to
keep.
It
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
have
a
nice.
You
know
peaked
roof,
we're
doing
flat
roofs
nowadays,
which
gives.
S
B
S
S
S
I'm,
suggesting
is
that
you
know:
we've
spent
all
this
money
now
we
need
to
go
forward,
but
I'd
suggest
that
certain
aspects
of
it
that
deal
directly
and
in
detail
with
Long
Branch
need
to
be
changed,
because
if
you
read
that
report,
some
of
the
things
that
it
talks
about
and
I've
as
I
said,
I've
enumerated.
Those
in
in
my
comments,
I,
believe
those
things
I
think
need
to
be
reviewed,
and
this
could
still
be
a
work
in
progress.
Thank.
H
S
H
O
Sorry
I
couldn't
see
the
mouth
moving,
okay,
so
I
guess
I'm
gonna,
just
read
my
little
letter
and
hopefully
it
comes
across
well.
I
think,
basically,
that
Long
Branch
has
a
potential
to
be
one
of
the
best
neighborhoods
in
Toronto,
with
this
close
proximity
to
the
lake
and
large
parks,
great
schools
and
public
transit,
we're
poised
to
become
a
hub
and
a
great
community.
Everyone
here
today
wants
the
future
of
Long
ranch
to
be
what
they
see
as
a
perfect
community.
O
Unfortunately,
the
ideal
differs
from
person
to
person
and
I
think
that
Long
Branch
needs
very
vitalization
rejuvenation
and
now
that
it
has
been
happening,
we
are
going
through
some
major
growing
pains,
but
I
think
we
need
change
not
as
not
static
area
stunted
by
NIMBYism
I'm
against
the
long
branch
guidelines
as
they
stand
at
this
particular
moment.
My
reasons
are
that
the
study
has
been
dominated
by
a
group
of
people
with
a
mission
that
is
backed
by
councilor
Grimes
but
does
not
represent
the
whole
of
Long
Branch.
It
was
publicly
stated
this.
O
This
will
impact
any
new
build
of
a
single
home
on
any
lot
lower
than
40
lower
than
a
40-foot
furniture,
which
is
nearly
50%
of
the
homes
in
Long
Branch,
while
sizes
vary
from
block
to
block
that
average
may
be
different,
but
the
combined
average
of
40
foot
above
versus
forty
feet
below
is
about
50%,
in
fact
more.
If
we
included
the
north
side
of
Lake
Shore,
which
SVN
has
clearly
not
really
focused
on.
O
In
any
event,
imposition
of
having
a
garage
attached
to
the
side
of
the
house
or
the
back
yard
would
mean
that
people
who
own
undersized
Lots
would
be
building
subpar
homes.
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
that
these
guidelines
propose
that
only
people
in
43
or
larger
sized
Lots
can
enjoy
the
benefits
of
a
garage
that
allows
you
protection
for
your
car
and
a
direct
entry
into
your
home.
Having
comfort
and
shelter
from
the
elements,
my
second
thing
is
about
the
mutual
drives.
O
They
are
negative
because
of
the
excessively
long
drive
ways
to
clear
in
the
winter,
the
negative
impact
on
the
size
of
the
private
backyard
and
the
inevitable
creation
of
a
front
yard
parking
spot
which
will
increase
the
hardscape
and
start
to
look
like
a
parking
lot.
Mutual
drives
also
invariably
cause
issues
between
neighbors
and
for
that
reason,
people
avoid
the
situation
whenever
possible.
It
seems
like
a
step
backwards
to
include
one
when
working
on
a
new
development.
O
Thirdly,
I
want
to
support
that
I
agree
in
the
protection
of
the
yeren
canopy
and
would
hope
that,
instead
of
stopping
development,
perhaps
the
city
can
the
city
can
provide
a
mature
tree
planting
requirement
instead
of
the
saplings
that
are
planted
on
the
city
boulevards.
This
would
help
the
new
development
seem
less
barren.
O
My
fourth
point
and
final
in
communities
where
the
homes
are
our
subdivision
format
as
much
of
a
topical
is
it's
easier
to
identify
what
is
homogeneous
and
what
is
inappropriate.
The
varieties
seen
in
Long
Branch
makes
it
difficult
to
choose
what
is
correct,
but
I
feel
this
set
of
guidelines
is
counterproductive
to
what
people
want
to
live
in,
given
the
opportunity
to
build
a
new
home.
O
In
short,
the
idea
of
avoiding
integra
garages
and
encouraging
neutral
drives
are
misrepresented
above
the
area
and
would
stunt
growth
in
a
negative
way,
while
forcing
people
to
build
and
live
in
homes
that
do
not
necessarily
fulfil
their
wish
list.
We
may
not
all
like
the
house,
we
look
at
but
I
think
the
house
that
a
homeowner
wants
to
live
in
should
take
precedence
to
NIMBYism.
R
Yes,
my
name
is
Rob
Thompson
I've
lived
in
Long
Branch.
We
speak
up
good,
so
I
lived
in
Long
Branch
for
almost
21
years
and
I
lived
for
a
while
in
the
80s
in
Long,
Branch,
so
I
know
the
neighborhood
fairly
well,
full
honest
disclosure
I'm
in
the
midst
of
an
application
to
sever
my
own
lot.
So
obviously,
I
have
an
interest
in
the
proceedings.
I
think
look.
R
The
controversy
is
exacerbated
by
a
couple
of
things.
One,
let's
face
it:
nothing's
happened
in
Long
Branch
for
50
years.
Ten
years
ago
we
got
discovered
and
we've
got
50
years
worth
of
development
occurring
in
five
or
ten
years.
That's
naturally
controversial,
but
it's
also
nobody's
fault.
The
other
reason
is
that
for
years,
developers
took
their
case
to
the
OMB
and
the
OMB
completely
ignored
community
neighborhood
concerns
and
people
are
upset
about
that
and
they
should
be.
R
But
that's
over
now
we've
got
a
new
regime
and,
let's
put
the
emotional
pass
beside
and
just
deal
with
facts
I'm
against
this,
not
strictly
because
of
the
lot
splitting
issue,
although
as
a
advise,
it's
obviously
close
to
me,
but
without
understanding
fully
exactly
how
much
weight
these
guidelines
are.
Gonna
carry
in
front
of
a
committee
of
adjustments
or
local
appeals
board
and
I.
Don't
I
was
gonna.
Ask
that
question,
but
we're
not
allowed
to
ask
questions.
R
So
that's
fine
I
think
you
risk
giving
a
fairly
powerful
tool
to
potentially
a
an
understandably
angry,
but
solidly
entrenched
minority
group
that
don't
necessarily
represent
all
of
Long
Branch
I
would
say
a
few
hundred
people
are
really
fired
up
about
this,
a
ten
thousand
or
so
in
Long.
Branch,
probably
aren't
that
upset
about
it.
R
In
my
experience-
and
this
is
again
was
related
to
my
own
hopes,
but
also
just
talking
to
people
in
a
neighborhood-
reasonable
intensification,
including
lots
severance
as
long
as
they're,
not
gross
over
height,
big
balconies,
taken
out
masses
of
trees
and
stuff,
the
general
consensus
in
the
neighborhood.
Is
it's
not
that
bad
an
idea?
People
are
willing
to
listen.
R
Some
specifics
inside
the
report
that
I
read
out:
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
roof
lines
and
matching
floor
lines
and
matching
heights
and
stuff
like
that
and
there's
pictures
representative
of
that
in
the
guidelines,
but
for
every
one
of
those
four
or
five
houses
that
you'll
see
in
Long
Branch,
where
you've
got
matching
roof
lines
and
stuff.
There's
a
multitude
of
examples.
Where
that's
completely
contradicted
it's.
It's
it's!
It's
it's
a
jumble
sale
I
mean
we
all
know
that
I've
been
through
it.
It's
it's
consistent
in
its
inconsistency.
R
R
If
that's
the
case,
that's
way
beyond
the
current
bylaws
and
I
think
it's
counterproductive,
I
mean
personally
I,
don't
like
wood
finish,
because
it
deteriorates
and
I
don't
like
flat
roofs
and
I,
don't
like
big,
huge
glass
windows,
but
what
I,
like
even
less,
is
when
everything's
the
same
and
the
mixed
bag
of
what
we
have
in
Long
Branch
is
not
promoted
by
what's
in
these
guidelines.
These
four
guidelines
promotes
aimless
sameness
along
the
same
line
of
floor
Heights
and
stuff
like
that,
honestly
who's
harmed.
R
If
the
guy
next
door
has
a
floor
first
floor,
that's
a
few
feet
higher
who
is
harmed
by
and
as
a
picture
in
there
of
a
house
that,
let's
face
it,
it's
a
severance.
It's
it's
a
call
to
two-story
house
lots
of
people,
call
it
a
three-story
house
cuz.
It
has
a
garage,
that's
fine,
but
it's
under
the
height
by
law.
I'm
who
suffers
from
that.
Most
of
these
new
builds
that
are
shown
in
the
in
the
guidelines.
R
Any
new
build
is
gonna,
look
bare
and
stark
until
a
few
years
go
by
and
that
the
foliage
picks
up
and
the
landscaping
takes
hold
and
there's
some
trees
around
it.
Nobody
is
even
going
to
notice
the
difference
honestly
I.
Think
a
lot
of
the
opposition
is
an
opposition
I've.
Had
this
plainly
said
we
don't
need
any
more
intensification
and
we
don't
need
any
more
people
in
Long,
Branch.
R
Last
there
was
a
drawing
in
there
of
a
set
of
houses
that
have
the
nice
even
roof
lines
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
went
over
and
looked
at
them.
It's
not
my
intention
to
denigrate
anybody's
property
here,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
that
picture
is
of
a
role
of
war
homes,
and
this
is
being
proposed
as
a
template
for
the
future
war
homes
were
built.
What
70
years
ago
for
as
cheap
temporary
accommodation
for
servicemen
returning
home
from
war.
R
A
O
You
chair
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Brian
Liberty
and
I
am
the
co-chair
of
the
Long
Branch
Neighborhood
Association,
or
also
known
as
lbn.
A
the
mission
of
the
Association
is
to
protect,
celebrate
and
enhance
the
neighborhood
of
Long
Branch,
protecting
the
physical
and
historical
character
celebrating
the
neighborhood
and
its
heritage
through
events
and
community
gatherings
and
enhancing
the
public
realm
and
the
quality
of
life
of
the
neighborhood
and
broader
community.
O
Over
the
past
two
years,
through
a
public
series
of
public
meetings,
a
large
group
of
residents
worked
together
with
to
create
and
form
the
Association
and
on
October
23rd
2017,
the
Albion,
a
conducted
its
first
AGM
and
attended
was
attended
by
68
residence.
They
voted
in
the
new
executive
and
ratified
its
bylaws.
The
Association
represents
the
stable
residential
neighborhood
bounded
by
Etobicoke
Creek
to
the
West
CN
Rail
to
the
North
Kipling
Avenue
and
23rd
to
the
east
and
Lake
Ontario
to
the
South.
O
Once
the
summer
side
resort
known
as
Seabreeze
Park,
the
area
was
eventually
named
Long
Branch
summer
resort.
This
resort
was
popular
with
the
affluent
members
to
society
in
Toronto
and
was
used
as
a
weekend.
Retreat
vacationers
traveled
by
steamship
or
rail,
from
downtown
Toronto
to
this
resort
that
boasted
of
choice.
Lee
wooded
Villa
lots.
The
Lots
themselves
were
fifty
by
a
hundred
and
fifty
feet
with
the
greater
part
of
beautifully
I
quote
here.
The
greater
part
beautifully
wooded
with
beech
birch,
pine,
elm
and
maple
of
medium
and
a
luxurious
foliage.
O
The
generous
log
configuration
and
much
of
the
original
canopy
still
exists
throughout
60%
of
the
neighborhood.
Today
it
isn't
an
established
suburb
with
large
Lots,
modest
homes
and
a
true
neighbor
neighborhood
feel
current
and
new
residents
are
attracted
to
Long
Branch
because
of
its
connection
to
connection
to
parkland
access
to
streetcar,
the
Gardiner
and
400
series
highways
and,
of
course,
Lake
Ontario.
It's
also
bounded
by
two
major
parks
in
the
city.
O
This
feature
has
these
features
have
led
to
a
real
estate
boom,
like
no
other
in
Toronto
properties
are
being
developed
and
at
an
astonishing
pace,
resulting
in
what
some
may
call
a
revitalization.
Others
may
say
that
the
neighborhood
has
become
a
victim
and
is
currently
at
risk
of
losing
that
character.
In
2013,
the
Harmonized
City
of
Toronto
by
locked,
5
6
9
2013,
was
adopted
by
City
Council,
though
the
fate
of
some
of
the
bylaw
remains
in
an
appeal
at
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
O
Much
of
the
zoning
bylaws
for
Long
Branch
remained
largely
intact
from
the
previous
go:
Vilas
side,
yard,
setbacks,
building
height
first
floor
height
and
especially
density
or
floor
space
index
were
to
be
the
same
or
similar
and
to
reflect
the
modest
dwellings
that
ultimately
make
up
the
physical
character
of
Longbridge.
However,
in
only
a
few
short
years,
Long
Branch
has
become
the
epicenter
of
community
committee
of
adjustment.
Applications
with
Ward
6
in
particular
are
receiving
the
most
consent,
applications
to
divide
50s
into
25
foot
Lots
for
several
years
consecutively.
O
Consistently.
Proposals
are
being
presented
that
double
or
triple
the
density
of
residential
sites,
creating
built
forms
that
are
alien
to
the
neighborhood,
while
the
Official
Plan
states
that
no
changes
will
be
roommate
made
through
rezoning,
minor
variance
consent
or
other
public
action
that
are
out
of
keeping
with
the
physical
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
that
it
identifies
Toronto's
neighbourhoods
as
areas
that
are
stable,
not
static,
long
branches,
experiencing
rapid,
drastic
and
inappropriate
change.
O
A
significant
number
of
dwellings
being
appealed
to
the
DM
B
and
the
Toronto
local
appeals
body
are
out
of
character
out
of
keeping
with
the
low-density
character
of
the
neighborhood
streets,
such
as
27th,
Street,
James
36
38
are
a
far-fetched
version
of
their
former
selves.
This
area
is
known
for
low-density
park-like
settings,
ample
setbacks,
side,
driveways
and
homes
with
reasonable
height
and
scale.
O
Your
tremendous
support
for
the
Long
Branch
community
has
been
shown
through
this
study.
You
have
worked
with
all
interested
parties
for
over
two
years
to
create
an
urban
design
document
that,
if
applied
and
implemented
appropriately
by
staff,
builders,
residents
and
neighborhood
will
result
in
residential
built
forms
that
are
sensitive
to
their
surroundings
and
encourage
aesthetics
to
be
part
of
the
builders
plan.
O
Just
a
comment
on
implementation
yep.
We
just
want
to
ensure
that
implementation
is
a
predictable
and
consistent
process
and
and
ensure
that
it's
used
as
a
tool
by
builders
residents
alike.
Many
builders
who
are
in
the
room
today
to
be
sure
that
the
Planning
Department
can
go
forward
with
using
this
as
a
tool
for
the
community.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you.
One
thing
I
have
to
start
by
saying
is
I
am
underprepared
I'm?
Sorry
for
that.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
during
the
previous
community
meetings,
where
people
who
are
representing
their
own
personal
interests
on
their
own
personal
time,
we
can't
always
be
here.
In
fact,
I
was
representing
the
Ontario
government
in
locations
throughout
Asia
during
all
of
the
other
previous
meetings.
So
it's
not
out
of
lack
of
care.
What
I
have
noticed
is
that
there,
but
a
few
things
here
that
we
haven't
dealt
with
one
is
Long.
K
Branch
has
dealt
with
significant
change.
The
entire
northern
side
of
Lake
Shore
from
the
library
over
to
no
frills,
with
the
exception
of
one
older
building,
which
is
likely
to
get
switched,
is
under
you
know
massive
change
and
you're
going
to
more
than
double
our
community
of
population.
By
my
fingernail
estimation,
that's
enough
change!
All
by
itself.
We
have
to
learn
how
to
absorb
that
with
the
stores.
K
We
have
to
learn
how
to
absorb
that
with
the
transportation,
both
public,
as
well
as
roads
and
all
of
the
other
aspects
of
that
on
my
street,
which
happens
to
bring
marina
we've
had
James
I
spell
school.
They
changed
the
mandate
of
the
school.
We
now
have
the
street,
which
is
no
parking
with
ten
to
twelve
cars,
endangering
students
who
are
walking
to
the
school
because
the
parents
can't
drive
the
minivans
properly.
It's
it's
a,
not
parking
zone.
K
There's
ten
cars
out
there
this
morning
to
get
it
of
my
own
driveway
I
needed
to
be
Pat.
The
driver
of
the
car
parked
across
my
driveway
entrance
for
them
to
move
up
so
I
could
get
out
properly,
but
even
then
I
had
to
creep
out
because
I
couldn't
see
into
the
you
know
roadway
some
of
the
other
things
I
wanted
to
mention,
and
these
aren't
specific
to
the
plan
but
they're
exactly
what
the
plan
is
really
trying
to
deal
with.
K
Intensification
Long
Branch
has
had
plenty
of
intensification
already
and
if
we
do
want
to
deal
with
intensification
as
a
city,
that's
fine,
but
we
need
to
do
it
very
gradually
and
we
ought
to
start
with
the
worst
offenders
first.
In
other
words,
we
should
be
up
on
the
bridle
path
and
turning
that
into
high-density
before
we
take
higher
density
communities
of
30
and
40,
and
you
know
barely
50
foot
width
with
lots
of
apartments
already
and
change
them.
We
have
a
zoning
plan.
K
The
zoning
plan
is
meant
to
be
a
reference
when
you
buy
a
house.
I
bought
my
host
in
1983
in
Long
Branch,
that's
not
unusual,
so
the
zoning
that
I
bought
with
a
reference
should
continue
to
be
a
reference,
a
long
lakeshore.
It
should
be
a
little
more
intense
in
the
community
beyond
that.
It
should
be
much
less
intense
and
should
not
be
changing
in
radical
ways.
K
Sometimes
I
hear
things
like
gentrification
being
used
as
a
bad
thing.
Can
we
possibly
imagine
a
city
council
and
a
bunch
of
city
representatives
saying
they
want
an
area
to
become
less
gentrified?
Let's
think
about
that
for
a
minute
we'd
like
it
poor,
more
impoverished,
less
capable,
that's
not
what
we
want.
It's
not
what
we
need.
What
we
do
need
to
do,
though,
is
remember
that
some
of
the
things
that
people
are
willing
to
pay
for
which
allows
house
prices
to
go
up
allows
a
very
rapid
turnover
of
housing.
K
All
the
things
we
sometimes
hear
of
as
a
challenge
represents
demand
it's
the
kind
of
neighborhood
where
people
can
raise
children
to
be
successful.
You
know
adults
who
contribute
to
society,
given
that
I've
got
a
27
year
old
and
a
30
year
old
I
can
speak
adequately,
at
least
about
our
own
family,
and
they
are
more
than
contributing
in
a
way
that
everybody
here
could
be
proud
of.
K
The
traffic
I
talked
about
already,
but
that's
a
significant
issue.
When
things
get
changed,
we
also
have
to
be
aware
of
some
of
the
temporary
changes.
The
James
I
spell
school
change,
as
well
as
the
north
of
lakeshore.
Changes
have
meant
that
I
can't
open
my
windows
in
the
summertime
because
of
the
amount
of
dirt
being
raised.
K
K
At
this
point,
I
would
like
to
reference
one
other
thing,
as
I
close
and
as
a
you
know,
good
member
of
this
of
our
area,
I
had
made
submissions
that
had
major
impact
at
the
Humber
College
or
the
former
psychiatric
hospital
grounds,
as
well
as
the
bridge
and
some
of
the
you
know
what
we
used
to
call
the
motel
strip.
So
it's
not
like
I,
don't
care
it's
just
that
this
one
has
been
an
unfortunate
timing.
Thank
you.
Thank.
T
David
Bannon
I
live
in
Bangla
and
I've
lived
26
years
in
the
village
and
I'm
a
little
worried
about
this.
As
a
document
I
agree
that
splitting
very
small
lots
and
putting
up
two
extremely
large
houses
on
them
is
not
a
good
idea,
but
you
don't
need
a
hundred
and
twenty
page
document
to
stop
that
I
think
I
could
get
it
on
a
page.
I
think
I
could
get
it
on
half
a
page.
T
If
the
principle
is
that
a
lot,
that's
less
than
40
feet
wide
and
150
feet
deeper,
120
feet.
They
cannot
be
split
then,
as
a
council
you
should
say
you
cannot
split
the
lot
and
that's
the
end
of
it.
But
if
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
insist
that
all
of
the
houses
in
Long
Branch,
of
which
it's
hard
to
paint
till
the
same,
that's
over
30
years
old
part
of
long
benches
charm-
is
that
it
they
are
all
different,
don't
start
causing
them
all
to
be
the
same.
T
By
insisting
that
you
follow
some
rules
cooked
up
by
a
set
of
architects,
when
what
you
were
supposed
to
be
doing
was
protecting
the
splitting
of
long
small
laws,
particularly
now,
there
are
lots.
The
second
thing,
I'd
like
to
say,
is
on
behalf
of
some
of
the
people
who
bought
those
laws.
The
split
loves
the
new
houses
on
split
locks.
T
If
the
house,
if
a
lot
sells
for
1.2
million-
and
you
finish
up
with
two
$600,000
Lots,
and
then
you
put
a
thousand
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
house
on
it
and
there's
some
profit,
and
then
you
sell
that
house
for
1.3
million.
Two
families
had
been
able
to
live
on
that
lot.
If
you
start
with
that
1.2
million
laughs,
and
then
you
put
a
decent
house
on
it,
you
finish
up
with
a
2
million
dollar
house
and
a
lot
less
people
can
afford.
T
It
I
thought
that
his
council,
as
you
were
there
to
make
sure
the
house
livability
in
the
city,
was
available,
and
that
doesn't
mean
that
everybody's
got
to
live
in
a
500
square,
foot,
apartment
or
condo.
So
if
you
all,
you
do
is
stock
lot.
Splitting
completely
a
lot
of
people
who
work
could
afford
a
small
house
on
a
small
lot
won't
be
able
to
do
about
any
MA
in
the
village
of
long.
T
That
is
that
what
you
want,
I
recommend
that
you
go
back
and
think
about
what
it
is
you
want
if
you
want
to
stop
lot
splitting
on
very
small
Lots
or
you
want
to
limit
the
size
of
the
house
on
a
split
lot,
write
a
rule
that
says
that
look,
don't
write
a
hundred
page
report
that
gets
into
a
thousand
and
one
of
the
things
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
T
B
T
B
T
My
name
is
Randy
McWaters
a
little
one
garden
place.
I
wasn't
prepared
to
speak
at
all
today
until
I've
heard
some
of
the
developers
talking
and
saying
about
old
57
year
old
houses
that
are
in
the
neighborhood
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
Well,
I
live
in
a
69
year
old
house
I
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
over
45
years.
My
wife
has
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
over
66
years
and
so
on.
So
we
had
bought
it
had
it
as
a
bungalow.
T
T
Moving
in
doing
the
exact
same
thing:
they
buying
a
single
bungalow,
while
it's
developed
into
a
second
storey,
raising
their
family
in
the
neighborhood,
not
severing
the
properties
in
two
to
25
foot,
Lots
they're,
taken
there
their
money
and
their
building
in
our
neighborhood
and
they're
running
with
the
money.
That's
all
area
I'm,
not
against
development
at
all.
T
As
the
one
gentleman
said,
north
of
the
lakeshore
on
Long
Branch
Avenue,
there's
over
four
hundred
three
four-story
town
hosts
condominiums
there
that
are
being
built
when
Marino's
development,
when
that's
all
being
torn
down
and
he
moves
it'll,
be
developed
there
too
I
suggest
the
lakeshore
is
doing
very,
very
well
for
all
the
stores
that
are
going
up
and
the
cafes
and
everything
people
are
doing
very,
very
well
with
their
businesses
in
the
community
as
the
community
grows,
but
leave
the
back
streets
alone.
Every
single
lot,
that's
a
50-foot
lot.
T
That's
sold
in
the
back
street
is
being
bought
and
severed
by
developers
and
they're
being
severed
by
developers
and
are
putting
Pat
mark
and
pads
out
in
front
of
the
place
and
every
lot
that
is
bought
with
25
foot
Lots.
The
tree
gets
cut
down
out
in
front
of
it.
Long
Branch
is
known
for
its
mature
trees
for
migrating
birds
that
come
across
the
lake
they're
there
and
people
who
love
the
neighborhood
and
that's
the
few
thing
that
attracts
everybody
to
the
neighborhood.
Is
the
mature
trees
I'd
like
it
to
stay?
T
That
way,
and
the
only
reason
why
I
don't
like
the
severing
of
the
properties
is
because
they're
also
doing
three-story
houses
on
it,
they're
towering
over
everybody
else's
houses,
which
is
there's
no
reason
why
we
can't
keep
this
as
a
nice
community
and
I
think
that's
something
we
already
have
and,
like
I
said
I'm,
not
against
development.
In
any
way
I
watch
Long,
Branch,
grow
and
I.
Welcome
it
all
the
stores
that
are
grow
on
the
lakeshore
that
are
developing
and
working
I
welcome
it.
T
But
when
the
people
come
in
and
start
severing,
lots
ters
been
over
over
a
hundred,
Lots
I
think
sever
in
the
last
five
years,
divided
by
developers
and
they
take
their
money
and
leave.
And,
as
I
said
this
gentleman
here
who
said
57
year
old
houses,
I
live
in
a
69
year
old
house,
there's
lots
of
them
they're
there
they're
fixable,
they're,
repairable,
they're
there
you
can
build
on
to
them.
You
can
tear
them
down.
If
you
want
build,
one
house
tear
one
house
down,
build
one
house,
that's.
H
It's
it's
an
awful
lot
of
rules
in
the
document,
and
you
know
we
usually
approach
things
with
trying
to
remove
rules
and
unencumbered
things.
But
in
this
case
it's
there's
a
bit
of
design
here.
Putting
these
rules
on
development
of
the
future
is
is
going
to
slow
things
down
a
bit.
Would
you
say
it's
the
sentiment
of
yourself
and
your
neighbors
that
it's
a
fair
trade,
so
the
rules
are
gonna
affect
you
too.
It's
potentially,
it
affects
the
value
of
your
property,
because
one
day
you'll
want
to
go
and
you'll
want
to
sell
it.
H
But
in
your
estimation,
you're
a
resident
you've
been
there
for
a
long
time
and
I
guess
you're
invested
for
the
long
haul
there
would
you
say
that
that's
a
fair
trade
that
you'll
give
something
because
of
the
rules,
but
what
you'll
get
back
is
protection
on
the
neighborhood
and
a
slowing
down
of
the
rapid
change
that
you've
been
talking
about
see.
Is
it
a
good?
Is
it
a
good
trade?
In
your
mind,
the.
T
It's
a
good
trade
when
it
comes
to
the
development
like
I
said
on
the
lakeshore
itself.
They
are
building
high-rises
on
the
lakeshore
they're
building
four-story
condominium
apartments,
all
along
the
lakeshore
people
have
to
have
places
to
live,
I
mean
Long.
Branch
is
growing
in
leaps
and
bounds,
leaps
and
bounds.
We
should
slow
down
and
have
a
look
at
it,
and
that's
why
I
do
agree
with
what
the
proposal
is
put
forward
to
you
today.
That
I
hope
you
adopt
it
and
go
along
with
it
to
make
sure
that
there
is
some
guidelines.
T
There
should
be
guidelines
myself.
As
I
said,
I've
put
a
second
story
on
my
house:
I
applied
for
variance
to
put
on
a
front
porch
on
my
house
to
go
out
an
extra
foot
even
more
than
what's
allowed
and
I
did.
I
went
along
with
all
the
everything
I
spent
over
two
thousand
dollars
before
I,
even
bought
a
stick
of
wood
right.
T
Mine,
my
neighbors
I've
gone
around
with
my
wife,
we've
collected
over
80
signatures
petitioned
our
neighbors
for
not
severing
a
property
on
my
street
and
that
thing
was
turned
down
at
the
committee
of
adjustments.
It
went
to
the
OMB
and
when
it
went
to
the
OMB
he
said
that
they
had
heard
that
the
plan
was
changed
a
week
before
the
committee
adjustment
hearing
was,
and
it
was
even
heard-
I
didn't
show
up
at
it
because
they
said
it
was
a
done
deal.
It's
a
done
deal
and
I'm.
T
Sorry,
at
the
time,
I
had
to
blame
the
the
Planning
Department,
but
now
with
this
new
planning,
that's
coming
in
this
guideline
is
coming
and
I
hope
it's
adopted,
because
I
believe
it'll
work,
I
believe
that
everybody's
eavestrough
should
be
fairly
close
to
each
other,
not
like
one-story,
two-story
three-story
to
three
stories,
the
ones
that
are
my
speak.
They
look
like
the
twin
hours.
Thank.
A
S
My
name
is
Emmanuel
Mecca
20,
Garden,
Place
I'm
against
this
urban
design.
I
I,
don't
want
to
repeat
everybody
said
the
same
thing
I'm.
Actually
the
person
that
Randy's
talking
about
and
and
I
disagree
with
that,
because
not
everybody
like
first
off
I,
didn't
make
any
changes
to
the
plan.
The
plan
was
always
the
same.
Basically
City
Planning
came
to
me
and
said
you
know
something.
S
We're
gonna
work,
something
out,
because
this
is
it's
too
much
politics,
blah
blah
blah
blah
I
was
fair
and
square,
and
that's
why
they
they
agreed
with
me
and
you
know,
I
get
it
my
crimes.
You
know
it's
it's
all
politics
whatever
what's
done
is
done,
but
you
know
I'm
building
my
own
personal
home.
My
friend
is
building
22.
He
was
originally
on
board
at
the
beginning,
but
then
he
backed
out
because
it
was
just
it
was
crazy.
S
Like
I
went
through
a
lot
me
and
my
family
and
I
think
everybody
should
know
that
it's
not
all
builders
like
I
know
them
all,
because
I
thought
to
them.
There's
actually
homeowners
here.
The
Builder
is
only
a
few
of
them
and
a
lot
of
people
are
actually
homeowners
who
are
deciding
to
sever
and
for
whatever
reason,
economics
or
whatever.
Listen,
there's
nothing
bad
about
it,
but
there
is
actually
a
lot
of
families
I'm
one
of
them.
You
know
I
work
for
a
high-rise,
forming
company
I,
don't
I,
don't
do
this
every
day.
S
Right,
okay,
but
I
do
have
some
family
friends
that
do
work
construction
and
they
help
me
out
and
I'm
doing
it,
because
it's
more
cost-effective
for
me,
but
I
I,
disagree,
I,
mean
I
know.
Maybe
some
other
people
had
some
bad
experience
with
builders,
but
you
know:
there's
some
homeowners
doing
this,
and
and
it's
you
know
this
is
gonna,
be
a
big
problem
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
who
are
just
looking
at
it
one
way:
they're
not
looking
at
it
like
the
whole
picture
of
how
it's
going
to
affect
everything
and
I.
S
If
you
were
to
read
David
Mattox
report,
you
know
he
doesn't
give
his
opinion.
He
actually
gives
facts
facts.
So
it's
not
like
I
think
it's
like
no!
This
is
what
it
is
answering
and
SVN
didn't
answer
it
and
when
I
was
part
of
the
fire
board
too-
and
you
know
you
asked
questions
yeah
yeah
yeah,
but
they
don't
really
show
it
so
I
mean
I,
do
what
you
guys
got
to
do,
but
at
least
I'm
on
record
I,
I,
don't
agree
with
that.
I
think
it
should
be
massaged
there
a
little
bit.
S
M
My
name
is
Nikhil
Orlando
I
live
on
36th
Street
I
wasn't
gonna
speak
initially,
but
I've
decided
that
I
would
like
to
put
my
name
behind
this
new
guideline
proposal
for
the
sake
of
the
community.
I've
been
involved
in
these
lots
playing
the
last
three
or
four
years
now,
with
my
neighbors
I
collectively
have
gone
round
and
collected
signatures
from
well
over
150
200
people
for
various
lots
that
were
meant
to
be
split.
Who
all
in
favor
of
saying
we
don't
want
this
change.
We
don't
want
the
change
to
happen
in
our
neighborhood.
M
I
live
in
a
little
bungalow
on
36th
Street
beautiful
little
bungalow.
It
was
built
in
1940.
My
house
has
been
upgraded,
I've
done
everything
to
it.
I
just
put
a
$25,000
bathroom
in
it
this
year,
so
you
can't
tell
me
that
these
60
and
70
year
old
homes
aren't
livable.
My
neighbors,
who
live
up
the
street.
A
young
lovely
like
young
couple,
bought
a
small
bungalow,
but
a
second
story
on
it.
It's
on
a
small
lot
and
they're
now
expecting
the
second
channel.
Denis
comes
down
to
me.
M
He
says
if
ever
you
want
to
sell
your
house
we'd
love
to
buy
your
house
Nicky
we'd
love,
it
we'll
put
a
second
story
on
it.
We
can
put
something
out
to
the
side.
We've
got
this
huge
backyard.
We've
got
all
these
beautiful
trees.
Here,
the
infrastructure
in
the
area
is
getting
so
clogged
down.
We've
got
$2,200
2,200
units
opening
up
on
the
north
side
of
lakeshore,
where
the
old
cast
were
the
old
oil
place
was
castor,
oil
was
we
already
have.
M
We
have
one
little
tiny,
wee
supermarket,
that
runs
out
of
food
every
weekend,
it's
great
I
moved
into
the
area
and
then
in
the
early
1970s
trust
me
I've,
seen
a
lot
change.
The
old
Eastwood
Park
Hotel
was
there
on
the
corner.
The
Goodyear
plant
was
there.
It
was
a
very
rundown
area
and
when
I
moved
in
I
was
told
that
Long
Branch
would
become
the
new
West
End
beaches,
and
that
was
what
the
hopes
I
bought
in
this
area,
for
this
is
my
second
home
in
the
area.
The
area
has
a
unique
charm.
M
It
has
a
unique
personality.
It's
eclectic
as
far
as
it
styles
of
houses
are
concerned.
It's
eclectic
as
far
as
its
community
is
concerned.
However,
it
is
a
vibrant
community
and
it's
a
community
that
contributes
very
highly
towards
Canadian
society.
Putting
in
all
these
extra
homes,
you're
you
put
a
garage
underneath
it
you're
putting
in
a
house
that's
too
3,000
square
feet.
Trust
me,
there's
gonna
be
more
than
one
car
in
that
house.
So
then
you're
gonna
have
a
car
in
the
garage.
Then
you're
gonna
have
more
parking
on
the
street.
M
A
L
Joy,
my
wife
and
I
live
on
40th
Street
8740
Street
I
am
very
proud
that
the
house
we
live
in
was
built
by
a
veteran
of
Vimy
Ridge.
My
wife
on
is
medallion
in
a
garden.
Nothing
fanciful
here
used
to
be
an
army
camp
over
where
the
three
sisters,
the
four
sisters,
were
torn
down
over
with
a
hydro
palace
that
was
Army
for
a
long
long
time.
L
World
war,
one
world
war,
two
I'm,
not
ashamed
to
live
in
a
soldier
house,
I'm
very
happy
to
have
been
able
to
raise
a
family
mixed
income
people
we
weren't
terribly
rich,
but
we
were
able
to
live
here
because
a
Long,
Branch,
okay
and
I
think
the
land
values
have
got
a
lot
more
to
do
than
how
much
somebody
squeezed
out
of
a
log.
Thank.
A
A
Thank
You
Sabrina
you've
done
a
lot
of
work
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work.
You've
done
a
lot
of
research
when
we
started
this
a
couple
years
ago
is
planning
opposed
to
severing
Lots.
So
on
a
street.
If
there's
you
know,
25
foot
Lots
would
planning
be
opposed
to
someone
severing
a
lot
and
putting
a
25
foot
lot.
If
there's
a
history
of
25
foot
Lots
on
that
Street,
so.
A
J
A
A
Some
of
the
concerns-
I
guess
we've
heard,
is
you
bungle
with
a
setback
and
you
build
the
two.
You
know
the
two
three
stories
and
the
you
know,
and
and
and
this
and
the
treats
on
the
side
of
these
buildings
are
just
brick.
No
windows.
You've
got
a
bungalow
squeeze
did
now
with
these
towering
buildings
with
you
know,
plain
blank
walls,
no
windows
and
it's
it
just
doesn't
fit
correct.
That's.
A
Okay,
sauce
James,
Thank,
You,
Sabrina,
so
James
I
know
you've
done
a
lot
working.
There's
two
on
a
thank
you.
So
what
are
we
doing
here?
What
are
we
we've
gone
through
this
process?
Could
you
just
for
the
for
my
colleagues
to
get
informed?
What
have
we
done
here?
What
does
the
been
the
process
over
the
last
couple
years?
What
have
we
done
sure.
J
Thanks
mister
mr.
chair
for
asking
that
question,
I
think
what
I'll
do
is
just
put
this
in
a
bit
of
a
citywide
context.
If
that
is
okay,
you
know
a
number
of
years
ago.
City
Planning
staff
started
here
concerns
a
number
of
concerns
from
throughout
the
city,
not
just
here
throughout
the
city
that
the
character
of
their
neighborhoods
were
being
eroded,
and
that
would
be
whether
it
be
Long,
Branch,
Willowdale
or
even
Lisa.
So
what
we
attempted
to
do
was
actually
start
to
generate
a
citywide,
neighborhood
guidelines,
template
and
that
is
actually
in
progress.
N
J
Because
there
was
a
lot
of
influx
of
change
in
to
neighborhoods,
so
we
actually
put
out
an
RFP
through
a
process
and
selected
a
consultant
that
consultant
SVN
was
actually
retained
to
do
the
citywide
template
the
long
branch
guidelines
and
the
Willowdale
guidelines.
Now
Willowdale
is
a
few
months
behind
long
branches,
actually,
the
first
guidelines
that
we
were
actually
taking
forward
to
community
council.
So
that
gives
you
a
bit
of
context
in
terms
of
the
citywide
approach.
So.
A
J
J
J
Fact
we
believe
that
the
these
guidelines
are
actually
quite
helpful
in
describing
the
character
of
Long
Branch
and
there's
a
number
of
ways
in
which
they
do
it,
and
in
terms
of
that,
one
of
the
criteria
is
to
look
at
things
like
materiality,
but
also
look
at
scale.
Look
at
things
like
fenestration,
but
we
actually
believe
that
these
guidelines
are
very
flexible,
but
they
actually
add
clarity.
So
you
will
actually
read
these
guidelines
and
understand
up
when
we're
reviewing
this
okay.
J
This
is
what
I
need
to
do,
and
I
think
that,
actually,
it
would
make
things
a
little
bit
easier
in
terms
of
understanding
what
the
essence
of
Long
Branch
is,
and
it's
actually
quite
interesting,
because
we
do
have
this
template.
You
know
the
Willowdale
guidelines
are
actually
developing
in
a
slightly
different
way
and
we
think
that
that's
a
good
thing.
We
think
the
template
is
actually
than
working
at
actually
understanding
what
the
essence
of
each
individual
neighborhood
character
is.
J
A
The
blank
walls
we're
gonna,
try
and
get
rid
of
those.
So
it
looks
you
know
great
to
the
neighbors
how
it
relates
to
the
neighbor's
house.
Also,
there's
a
question
with
you
know:
the
floors
kind
of
being
the
same
level.
So
if
you
got
a
bungalow
like
one
of
the
dubbings
talked
about,
and
you
got
that
new
house
beside
you,
what's
the
impact
well,
if
you're
in
that
kitchen,
that
new
house
you're
looking
down
in
before
you'd,
be
looking
across
but
you're
now
peering
in
to
these
older
homes,
correct.
J
And
that's
not
actually
something
that
we're
we're
seeing
that
is
consistent,
not
just
here,
but
also
in
Willowdale
the
idea
of
thirteen
steps
you
go
out
to
your
front
door.
That
is
actually
not
the
character
of
Long
Branch
right.
The
character
of
Long
Branch
is
to
have
a
welcoming
front
door
front
front
entrance
going
up.
Thirteen
steps,
I
think,
is
something
that
is
actually
not
consistent
and
the
guidelines
reflect
that.
H
J
E
E
How
to
address
the
the
official
plan
commentary
about
stability,
as
well
as
provide
staff,
some
guidance
to
to
use
when
reviewing
applications,
as
well
as
to
provide
some
guys
to
t
lab
and
to
the
municipal
board
sure
to
get
that
far.
So
what
this
is
is
it's
another
tool
in
the
toolkit
to
implement
city's
official
plan.
E
Mr.
chair,
no,
that's
that's
the
point.
One
of
the
number
of
the
people
have
been
talking
about.
You
know
this
is
going
to
solidify
things,
didn't
make
them
much
more
difficult
and
one
of
the
things
we
were
very
cognizant
of
is
we
didn't
want
to
layer
in
another
layer
of
the
facto
bylaws
and
all
these
kinds
of
things,
which
is
why
we
we
proceeded
with
a
guideline
to
provide
for
flexibility,
its
interpret
it
its
interpretive.