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Etobicoke York Community Council, meeting 26, November 14, 2017 - Part 1 of 3
Agenda and background materials:
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Part 2 of 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szz3bB2u5Vc#t=29m06s
Part 3 of 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22eiYVFuF_I
Meeting Navigation:
0:13:55 - Call to order
A
A
A
B
A
A
First:
item
ey
26.1
final
report,
baby
point
gates,
planning
study,
225,
430,
Jane,
Street,
665,
787
to
sunset:
787,
Annette,
494,
Armidale,
Avenue,
143,
Evans,
Avenue,
one
end
to
Harshaw,
Avenue
and
502
to
504
Willow
Avenue
official
plan
amendment.
We
are
holding
four
speakers:
dy
26.2
final
report,
35
table
Road
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application,
hold
four
speakers
item
26.3
final
report;
418
the
Westway
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application
hold
four
speakers.
A
A
D
A
A
Let's
hold
it
hold
it
down
yeah.
We
can't
see
that
there's
some
technical
difficulties
here
to
show
later
I
know:
okay,
alright,
let's
carry
on
we're
holding
that
down
26.9
request
for
direction
report,
386,
394,
Symington
avenue,
405,
/
avenue
and
seventeen
kingsley
avenue
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
and
application
pool
for
speakers
and.
E
A
Amended
by
councillor
to
channel
it's
on
the
screen,
all
in
favor
opposed
Carrie
26:13
application
to
remove
a
private
tree
at
28
gauge
and
Avenue
hold
four
speakers;
26:14
the
front
yard
parking
appeal:
18,
bailiffs
Avenue
over
speakers;
26:15
application
for
fence
exemption,
65,
Princeton
Road
over
speakers
and
26:16.
Another
fence
exemption
at
34,
sir
Williams
Lane
hold
four
speakers:
26:17
application
for
fence
exemption,
40
record
court
over
speakers.
A
A
He
doesn't
want
to
help
all
right.
It
was
on
my
list
all
right
and
it's
the
summit
that
will
just
move
staff
recommendation.
Okay,
no
all
right
so
counselor
Palazzo
will
be
moving
staff
recommendations
on
behalf
of
councilor
Grimes,
where
they
glad
to
do
that.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
All
in
favor
opposed
carried
26.2
one
update
report,
the
tropical
Creek
and
self
Mimico
Creek
trails.
B
E
A
A
E
E
A
26.2
for
u-turn,
prohibition,
Marine,
Parade,
Drive,
we're
holding
it
wasn't
a
request
for
a
hold
here
for
consequence,
so
we'll
move
staff
recommendations
and
they
have
councillor
Grimes.
All
in
favor
proposed
carried
traffic
control
signals
drove
a
court
road
in
Geary,
Avenue,
councillor,
Palacio,
Thank,.
B
A
F
A
Moved
by
councillor
Campbell
on
favor
opposed
carried
twenty
six
point:
two
eight
speed
limit
reduction,
32nd
Street,
we're
holding
this
for
councillor
Grimes
twenty
six
point:
two:
nine
extension
of
permit
parking
hours,
fifteenth
Street
count
or
removing
staff
recommendations
for
councillor
Grimes.
So
councillor
Palacio.
Could
you
move
on
behalf
of
I'll.
A
A
In
favor
of
polls
carried
and
yes,
we
need
a
motion
to
add
the
new
items,
rosemary
right,
so
counselor
do
channels,
moving
a
motion
to
add
the
new
items,
all
in
favor
opposed
carried
and
a
new
items
are
twenty
six
point.
Three
six
nominations
for
appointment;
yeah,
sorry
missed
one
twenty
six
point:
three:
five
endorsement
of
events
for
liquor,
licensing
purposes,
counselor
mom,
led
george'll
and
Palacio.
Please.
A
A
A
A
H
So
spring
of
2016
tree
fell
and
partial
tree
fell
and
hit.
My
house
I
was
inspected
by
the
City
City
said
to
remove
the
damaged
limb,
damage
limb
was
removed,
but
the
tree
extends
over
100
centimeters
in
diameter.
It
is
hollowed
out
five
feet
deep,
starting
six
feet
high,
both
requesting
to
remove
the
city's
declined,
fear
of
the
tree
falling
on
both
the
house
and
the
neighboring
properties.
H
H
H
My
ask
is
that
I
be
able
to
my
ask:
is
that
I
be
able
to
remove
the
tree
and
plant
trees,
obviously
to
cover
the
canopy
the
risk
and
not
plant,
removing
this
trees
that
the
tree
will
fall
and
then
no
subsequent
trees
would
be
planted?
Therefore,
I
think
it's
a
net
gain
to
both
the
city
and
myself
as
a
property
owner
to
remove
the
tree,
produced
a
liability
and
therefore
plant
the
subsequent
tree,
so
that
there
is
something
to
provide
for
the
city
in
terms
of
canopy
moving
forward.
H
So
this
tree
here
that
limps
hit
the
right
side
of
the
back
of
the
house.
There's
a
crack
in
the
lemon
where
that
limb,
cracked
off
there's
a
five-foot
hole
into
the
center
into
the
center
of
the
tree,
which
provided
pictures
and
have
measured,
there's
a
hole
in
the
center
of
the
tree.
There's
a
hole
in
the
center
of
the
tree,
extending
five
feet
from
six
feet
up.
H
H
H
H
H
Could
put
max
two
in
the
back?
One
would
be
on
the
bordering
the
hydro
pole,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
that
would
be,
because
anything
I
would
put
it
towards
the
back
of
the
property
so
that
the
tree
privet
provided
life
into
the
future
and
that
any
risk
of
it
falling
in
the
future
would
not
damage
any
properties
and
in
the
front
the
only
place
to
locate
it
would
be
beside
a
hydro
pole,
in
which
case
that
would
pose
problems
moving
forward.
All
right,
Thank.
G
H
H
Arbors
did
not
want
to
prune
the
tree
because
they
were
afraid
that
it
would
injure
the
tree
in
the
amount
of
pruning
and
needed,
which
was
contradictory
to
a
conversation
I
had
with
mr.
max
Dida,
in
which
case
he
indicated
that
the
tree
could
be
pruned.
However,
I'd
say:
there's
a
gray
area
from
a
resident
reading
the
guidelines
on
that
to
say
you
could
trim
a
tree,
but
if
you
prune
dit
too
much
and
injured
it
well
then
you'd
be
fine,
didn't
have
to
pay
the
fine
so
but.
G
H
Would
believe
so
I
think,
given
the
size
of
the
tree,
there's
a
lot
more
punning
than
what's
being
indicated
in.
Therefore,
that's
why
they're
indicating
that
it
would
potentially
kill
the
tree
if
we
pruned
it
to
the
to
the
to
the
extent
of
removing
the
larger
limbs
that
are
extending
onto
the
other
properties
are.
G
H
H
A
H
A
A
D
I
A
lot
of
standing
all
around
and
we
don't
have
a
diagram
measurements
exactly
to
say
that
how
much
is
it
but
compared
to
our
assessment
and
other
trees.
Two
arbors
have
seen
the
tree
in
different
occasions.
I
have
seen
the
tree
when
you
denied
the
request
to
remove
it
three
months
ago
and
I
have
seen
the
tree
last
week
as
well.
E
I
D
I
You,
mr.
chair,
this
is
not
my
position
of
the
city
staff.
My
recommendation
is
there
in
writing
for
law
in
the
process
and
the
policy.
It's
not
something
that
we
are
against
the
arborist
or
the
property
owner.
Look
at
the
tree
and
the
tree
bylaw,
and
we
recommend
it
now.
It's
up
to
come
to
Council
and
City
Council
to
make
a
decision
say
yes,
so.
D
I
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
that's
how
the
bylaw
is
approved.
The
CPS
staff
general
manager
makes
a
recommendation
to
the
committee
Council
and
City
Council
and
there
is
option
there
and
if
the
City
Council
decide
to
approve
it
and
it's
a
decision
from
City
Council,
why
are
you
saying
it's
safe
with
the.
I
Because
the
hole
is
not
in
that
degree
that
he
compromised
in
the
structure
of
the
tree.
In
our
assessment
we
have
a
tree
assessment
done
by
our
staff
and
the
second
eye
I
discussed
to
the
owner,
the
guy,
and
he
is
very
you
know,
trying
to
cooperate
and
I
said
you
know:
do
you
write
your
property
owner
you're,
providing
information
whatever
how
much
you
can,
but
how
many
trees
we
have
in
the
City
of
Toronto
with
the
holes
in
a
cavity
and
decay
and
they
are
still
standing
that
jury.
I
I
D
J
I
Under
eight
thirteen
twenty
to
appeals
were
the
general
manager
refuses
to
issue
a
permit.
An
applicant
may,
within
fourteen
days
of
the
date
of
refusal
appeal
to
appropriate
from
the
council
by
submitting
a
written
request.
The
general
manager
that
the
permit
application
be
heard
by
the
appropriate
committee
counsel
that.
D
I
I
Where
an
applicant
has
filed
an
appeal,
the
general
manager
shall
prepared
our
briefs
report
and
forward
to
the
committee
counsel
prior
to
the
general
manager
reporting
to
committee
counsel.
The
city
clerk
shall
notify
the
owner
and
open
consideration
of
the
application
appropriate
from
the
council
shall
make
a
recommendation
to
the
council.
Open
consideration
of
the
application
council
may
direct
the
general
manager
to
issue
a
permit
subject
to
condition
satisfactory
to
the
council.
D
A
C
You
mr.
chair,
perhaps
I
should
ask
the
the
applicant
this
question,
but
Mr
D
doll
trying
to
ask
you
V,
the
your
report
doesn't
actually
reference
this
large
empty
cavity
inside
the
tree,
so
I'm
wondering
the
I
guess
now,
when
the
main
branch
fell.
Is
that
what
exposed
this
large
hole
or
is
that
in
a
different
section
of
the
tree?
You
know
you.
I
See
the
same
section,
but
the
reason
is
the
reason
that
why
it's
not
in
the
report
is
because
there
was
not
in
the
arborist
report
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
the
owner
last
week.
So
report
was
done
two
months
ago.
That's
why
the
hole
that
he
mentioned
to
me
and
repeated
today
said
that
that
was
last
week.
So.
I
I
I
It's
beautiful
and
no
other
trees
in
that
side.
All
the
rest
of
the
trees
have
been
removed
by
the
property
owner,
but
there
are
less
than
30
centimeter
diameter.
We
got
a
calls
at
that
time.
The
trees
who
are
less
than
30
were
not
qualified
by
to
be
protected
under
tree
by
law.
So
it's
now
a
violation.
The
tree
by
law.
For
that
part,.
I
Will
reduce
somehow,
but
the
problem
that
we
support
we
recommending
the
owner
is
to
reduce
the
crown
prune.
The
tree
and
I
had
a
conversation
last
week.
I
believe
was
Friday
or
Thursday
with
a
property
owner
that,
if
they
willing
to
reduce
that
that
she
will
be
there
for
sure
five
to
ten
years,
but
the
problem
is
the
tree
is
just
wild.
They
never
prune
the
tree
when
the
tree
was
young
to
have
a
good
form
and
good
Sun
right,
because
it
don't
just
leave
the
tree
girl
itself
right
right
now.
I
I
I
Different
reason,
maybe
the
wind
in
that
time
we
don't
know
even
a
healthy,
very
healthy
trees,
can
fell
down
the
branches,
those
storms
and
that
you
know
the
speed,
the
wind
and
how
kill
them
matter
that
is,
and
what
direction
that
is,
and
that
tree
you
know,
is
it
somewhere
in
the
environment
that
wind
can
you
know,
trees
like
our
living
organ
is
the
all
the
time
they
can
fell
branches
if
they
don't
prune
properly.
That's.
F
I
I
I
F
I
F
F
I
Hard
it's
hard
to
predict
that
maybe
could
be
fallen
branches
there
in
the
in
the
neighbor's
yard,
but
I'm
not
sure
the
branches
looks
healthy
now
and
maintainable,
but
you
never
know
he
peak.
The
reason
we're
suggesting
to
prune
is
because
all
the
trees
needs
pruning
every
two
or
three
years.
Normally,
then.
Another
reason
is
because
one
limb
felt
on
the
other
side
towards
to
the
house,
so
if
they
prove
that
they
balanced
the
crown
as
well,
that's
is
going
to
help
the
tree.
How.
I
I
A
I
just
heard
from
the
questions
that
councillor
Campbell
asked
that
it
sounds
like
you're
you're
saying
that
the
tree
probably
is
in
decline,
given
that
you're
only
giving
it.
Maybe
in
your
opinion,
it
may
only
have
a
five
or
ten
year
lifespan
left.
Does
that
mean,
then
that
it's
likely
in
decline?
No.
I
We're
not
saying
the
trees
in
decline,
our
opinion
the
trees
might
enable,
but
if
they
don't
prune
at
all
our
assessment,
you
know
says
that
five
to
ten
years
that
tree
is
viable
to
maintain,
but
tree
is
not
in
decline.
Only
only
the
complain
is
about
the
cracks
that
is
because
of
the
branch
fell
down
the
house.
Only
that
part
that
are
complaining
so.
A
The
concern
is
and
I
know,
councilman
m'lady
asked
this
question
as
well
and
and
and
councillor
Campbell
about
the
hole
itself.
We
you,
we
just
can't
predict
the
behavior
of
a
tree
and
and
we
you
know
you
act,
you
said
you
don't
really
know
how
that
even
happened.
So
what's
the
likelihood
of
that,
maybe
just
getting
much
worse
and
then
the
the
tree
cracks
and
falls
down.
Do
you
have
any
opinion
on
that.
I
I
do
when
we
do
this
tree
assessment,
then
likelihood
of
failure
is
possible.
Likelihood
of
impact
in
the
target
is
low
and
consequence
of
failure
is
significant.
So
if
you
go
to
that
assessment
by
International,
Society
of
our
very
culture
tree
comes
healthy.
So
that's
we
take
in
consideration
like
liver
failure.
It's
not
improbable!
I
A
I
Understand
the
owner
and
the
applicant
he
wants
to
make
the
site
safe,
which
normally
is
good
he's.
You
know
responsibility
to
do
that.
The
problem
that
we
have
in
is
that
keeping
the
tree
or
removing
the
tree
should
be
a
balance
all
the
time.
If
we
see
a
risk
to
that
tree
to
fell
down,
we
never
stop
issued
a
permit.
According
to
eight
thirteen
eighteen,
a
she
is
in
poor
condition
cannot
be
maintained
in
health
and
safe
condition.
I
But
if
staff
assess
the
tree
is
healthy
and
minded
level,
then
we
advise
the
owner
what
he
should
do.
We
are
willing
to
check
the
tree
next
year
or
year
after.
If
really
something
happened
to
the
tree.
Let's
say
you
know
she
declines,
or
you
know
the
health
condition
go
worse.
We
can
do
that
and
we
did
that
for
a
couple
of
application.
They
come
from
the
council
too.
We
said
next
year.
Give
me
a
call.
If
you
see
something
wrong
to
the
tree,
we
do
that
you
can
have
to
apply
for
a
permit.
I
A
D
Leave
it
toward
seven
for
these
kinds
of
kinds
of
issues
to
come
up
to
community
council.
This
I
think
is
one
of
the
first
that
I've
heard
of
where
there's
a
gapping
hole
in
the
middle
of
the
tree
and
our
staff
are
suggesting
to
keep
it
off
and
I.
Don't
want
to
challenge
the
staff
on
this
at
all,
but
do
look
at
the
the
arborist
that
the
my
constituent
has
has
hired,
which
very
clearly
has
a
completely
different
opinion
than
the
city's
opinion.
D
Now,
what
I'm
afraid
of
is
that
that
the
same
old
thing
is
going
to
happen
here
where
a
political
decision
is
made
based
on
this,
and
we've
got
two
different
opinions
completely
different.
This
is
gonna
go
to
Council
and
the
and
the
political
opinion
is
going
to
be
to
keep
the
tree
the
way
it
is
without
knowing
the
facts
and
without
knowing
the
circumstances.
That's
what's
going
to
happen
here.
I,
don't
want
that
to
happen.
I'm
gonna,
move
that
we
that
we
defer
this.
D
So
an
on-site
meeting
take
place
with
with
the
city's
arborist
and
the
constituents
are
burst
with
me
there
and
I'd
like
to
hear
it
on
both
ends
of
the
equation
from
the
experts
and
you'd,
be
surprised
that
maybe
there's
a
common
denominator
here.
That
would
make
everybody
happy.
That's
what
I'd
like
to
do.
I
say
to
my
constituent:
if
you
do
it
any
other
way,
the
politicians
that
I'd
love
to
hug
the
trees
are
gonna
are
gonna
vote
in
favor
of
this
staff
report.
D
D
If
something
had
happened,
the
tree
they
would,
they
would
get
fined
at
a
later
date
and
I'd
like
to
explore
that,
because
that
seems
to
be
one
of
the
biggest
issues
that
the
his
arborist
has
is
that
I
can
I
can
trim
the
tree
as
the
city
wants
me
to,
but
if
the
tree
dies
sooner
than
later,
they're
gonna
be
charged
the
value
of
that
tree.
So,
if
I
can
explore
that
to
see
if
any
liability
be
taken
away
from
the
the
homeowner
or
the
tree
owner
in
this
particular
case,
then
can
I
do
that.
D
So
allow
me
the
flexibility
go
back
into
the
community
with
all
parties,
maybe
there's
something
that
can
come
out
of
it
and
who
knows,
maybe
the
city
arbiters
now
that
they
know
that
the
hole
is
there
might
have
a
completely
different
opinion.
They
may
want
to
inspect
it
thoroughly
and
might
come
back
to
you
and
say
yeah.
You
know
what
I
agree
with
the
other
arborist.
So
I
want
to
be
there
to
listen
to
the
conversation.
A
G
You
very
much
I'll
be
supporting
mr.
Fowler
motion
I
believe
that
it
doesn't
hurt
to
revisit
a
tree
if
the
decision
is,
though,
to
prune
this
tree,
which
I
truly
think
will
mate
is
tree,
safe,
I
hope
the
owner
does
take
that
advice
and
pronet
I
will
just
point
out
that
the
arborist,
the
owners
arborist
report
does
say,
and
they
usually
do
if
we
lead
these
arbors
report.
G
You
know
this
is
at
the
wish
of
the
owner,
so
I
appreciate
arborists
are
registered
and
they
have
to
do
their
job,
but
every
report
does
say
at
the
wish
of
the
owner.
I
wish
I
wouldn't
put
that
in
there
they
really
shouldn't.
It
should
be
a
true
report
on
what
the
tree
is.
We've
heard
this
tree
is
70
80
years
old.
G
Therefore,
I
think
we
should
try
everything
possible
to
save
it,
even
planting
five
trees,
whether
in
your
garden
or
in
the
city,
for
our
property
you're
not
going
to
replace
a
70
80
year-old
linden
tree,
which
does
so
much
for
your
property
for
your
family
for
the
everyone
around
you
very
it's
impossible
to
replace.
So
I
would
like
to
see
this
to
fro
I'd
like
to
see
everything
possible
done
to
one
make
this
tree
safe,
that's
priority,
but
to
try
and
save
this
gorgeous
tree.
So
councillor
I'm
supporting
your
defer.
A
Well,
that's
good!
Thank
you,
any
other
speakers
there
being
none,
then
we'll
vote
on
the
motion.
That's
on
the
screen,
as
amended
by
councillor
momily
d,
all
in
favor
opposed
carried
all
right.
So
next
item
is
twenty
six
point.
Two
six
traffic
controls
is
Benton
Avenue
and
northern
Avenue.
We
have
one
speaker
listed
Milo's,
Milla,
sick
of
there
are
any
other
speakers.
Please
advise
the
clerk
and
we'll
add
you
on
Mallos
feel
free
to
come
up
now
and
thank
you
very
much.
You
have
five
minutes.
Thank.
K
K
Honorable
members
of
community
council,
my
name
is
Miller
Miller
church
and
I
reside
at
31
northern
Avenue
I'm
standing
before
you
today
to
express
my
support
for
installing
traffic
lights
at
intersection
of
northern
and
Islington.
This
intersection
is
hazardous,
it's
not
failsafe
and
it's
not
risk-free,
and
it
makes
it
very
dangerous.
Indeed,
for
the
public,
good
welfare
and
safety,
I
heard
the
city
to
install
traffic
control
signals
of
this
intersection.
K
It
is
one
where
wrong
split-second
decision
can
lead
to
major
accidents
or,
worse
I've,
noticed
instances
involving
children
running
across
the
street,
I've
seen
other
Lee
folks,
but
likely
reduced
vision
and
hearing
crossing
with
canes
in
their
hands.
These
these
folks
are
at
an
enormous
risk
and
they
may
they
may
be
just
trying
to
get
to
the
bus
stop
and
get
to
their
doctor's
appointment.
K
Closest
alternate
crossing
is
some
300
meters
away,
which
is
tough,
as
we
have
80
and
90
year
olds
living
on
the
street
on
days
when
it's
minus
30
degrees
outside
it's
even
more
difficult
for
them.
These
are
the
individuals
that
have
built
these
communities
before
us
and
we
over
the
majority
of
care,
I
Drive
through
this
intersection
daily,
to
take
my
daughter
to
school
winds.
Believe
me,
very
tough.
K
This
part
of
Islington
has
a
somewhat
unique
traffic
flow
and
is
tickly
peculiar
pattern
from
the
feeder
streets
highways
just
out
of
it,
and
this
has
significant
effects
on
the
intersection.
It
takes
a
long
time
to
get
your
turn
to
cross
Islington
and
you
must
exhibit
extraordinary
patience.
Nevertheless,
you
still
take
a
risk
with
every
turn.
As
you
cross,
multiple
lanes
of
traffic
I
occasionally
try
to
ride
my
bicycle
bicycle
to
work
and
is
it
from
a
cyclists
perspective.
K
I
can
tell
you
it's
hard
staying
safe
in
the
city
of
designated
bike
paths,
let
alone
on
an
unmarked
intersection
such
as
this
one
new
and
large
communities
just
being
built
north
of
the
intersection.
It
will
increase
the
density
and
levels
of
levels
of
traffic
hazard
would
ride
exponentially.
City
stats
show
there
have
been
no
reported
accidents
or
collisions
over
the
last
three
years,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
not
occurred,
and
one
is
one
too
many
as
it
can
involve
a
child
or
an
elderly
I
plead
with
you
today.
K
Let
us
not
wait
for
a
fatality
to
start
an
act
on
this
I'm
surprised
to
see
zero
accidents.
To
be
honest,
I
am
also
very
Dara
materiality
threshold.
Your
willingness
report,
an
accident,
and
you
also
depend
another
organization
to
provide
that
data
to
you.
Whatever
the
case
may
be,
I
can
confirm
standing
before
you
here
today
that
I
have
personally
seen
accidents
at
this
intersection
over
the
last
two
years,
complete
with
tow
truck
smashed
windows
and
glass
over
the
road.
K
I've
recently
reviewed
two
staff
reports,
one
respect
to
traffic
control
signals
so
Justin
like
a
plane
and
one
we
are
discussing
today
on
Islington
in
northern.
There
are
many
similarities
between
these
intersections,
both
Kipling,
as
you
can
see
in
the
map,
and
it's
Newton
are
defined
as
major
arterial,
roads,
both
jutland
and
nor
didn't,
have
speed
limits
of
50
kilometers
an
hour
both
relied
on.
Stop
signs
to
get
connected.
These
Peter
means
main
roads.
There
are
some
differences
as
well.
K
Isn't
a
northern
at
all
form
a
4-legged
intersection,
while
Kipling
and
Jutland
is
only
a
3-legged?
One
area
profile
is
different
as
well.
Jutland
is
mostly
occupied
by
businesses,
while
Lordan
and
a
Thor
are
strictly
residential,
but
they
do
include
a
church
and
a
school
in
the
immediate
vicinity
of
this
intersection.
K
According
to
one
of
the
staff
report
that
I
read
installing
traffic
control
signals
will
provide
safe
and
convenient
access
for
vehicles
and
pedestrians.
Earlier
this
year.
New
traffic
control
signals
were
indeed
approved
and
installed
the
Kipling
in
Jutland
and
from
the
community
standpoint.
There
is
no
reason
why
the
same
would
not
be
granted
at
Islington
in
northern.
K
Are
you
GT,
honourable
members
of
this
council,
to
make
this
decision?
Considering
all
the
information
you
have
your
disposal
and
now
just
one
generic
report,
which
cannot
possibly
cover
every
angle
that
you
have
to
consider
here.
I
believe
in
you
and
I
trust
you'll
make
a
decision
objectively
and
responsibly,
and
this
should,
without
a
doubt,
include
listening
to
voices
of
concerned
citizens,
many
of
whom
I
represent
today.
K
I
urge
you
to
vote
in
favor
of
approving
this
request,
knowing
that
you're
taking
a
very
positive
step
and
a
very
serious
step
in
ensuring
everybody's
safety
reality
is
the
serious
change
received
and
fill
it
daily
for
us
that
live
here.
There
are
many
new
and
upcoming
developments
that
these
need
to
be
considered
in
totality
when
making
these
types
of
decisions.
K
New
businesses
are
popping
up
and
reshaping
the
landscape,
such
as
a
very
busy
Tim,
Hortons
and
Joplin
and
Kipling
store
the
new
residential
projects,
such
as
hundreds
of
new
townhomes
in
Islington
just
north
of
northern.
We
have
to
take
note
of
that,
and
we
have
to
be
realistic
when
it
comes
to
traffic
control
in
these
growing
areas,
making
sure
people
get
their
morning.
Coffee
and
time
is
never
more
important
to
getting
our
kids
to
school
safely.
K
K
K
F
There's
a
traffic
light
just
250
if
people
feel
unsafe,
just
250
meters
to
the
north,
you
feel
that
you
feel
that
you
feel
that's
too
far.
I
do
I
do
in
some
of
these
cases.
Yes,
sir
sidewalk
in
his
LinkedIn
there.
Yes,
there
is
so
there's
a
sidewalk
okay,
there's
a
sidewalk
people
could
walk
up
to
Joplin
use
that
traffic
light.
Yes,
of
course,.
K
F
C
Thank
You
Melo's
for
your
accurate
presentation
on
what
it's
like
living
on
either
8th
allure
Norden,
just
to
confirm
you
technically
can't
get
to.
If
you
live
in
one
of
these
communities
on
the
westside
of
Islington
and
you're,
trying
to
exit
from
Norton,
you
can't
actually,
if
you're
in
a
car
you
can't
actually
get
to
juggling
going
around
you.
K
Can,
oh
no,
you
would
have
to
actually
come
down
to
Varna
car,
go
to
Kipp
link
and
go
up
where
the
importance
is
all
right.
The
newly
styled
lights
and
then
drive
back
to
Joplin
right
and
on
a
bicycle.
It's
even
worse
and
I
would
never
draw
a
bicycle
on
a
sidewalk,
so
I
mean
if
you
live
west
of
Islington.
Technically,
although
we
have
infrastructure
in
Royal
York
and
there's
the
Goodman
Trail
at
the
bottom,
it's
really
hard
to
drive
your
ride.
Your
bike
into
the
downtown
right.
C
A
A
K
Yes,
actually
northern
northern
is
there
is
there's
a
stretch
of
green
belt
between
Jutland
and
northern,
so
the
area
is
kind
of
detached.
So
if
you're
between
Kipling
and
it's
linked
to
north
of
the
Queensway
in
that
community,
you
either
have
to
try
and
make
a
left
on
Islington
or
go
to
Kipling
and
then
go
up
to
Jutland
and
then
come
back.
So
we're
kind
of
you're
kind
of
cut
off.
We
can't
get
to.
A
Jennifer
right
so
I'm
saying
if
you
live
on
York
view,
you
either
make
a
left
on
York
view
to
is
engine
and
and
there's
no
traffic
lights
there
or,
if
you
won't.
If,
if
there
were
traffic
lights
on
Norden,
that
will
make
for
safer
passage
because
you'd
have
to
drive
into
your
crescents
or
edge
Croft
residents
could
come
down
to
a
fall.
Is
it
a
fall?
Avenue?
Yes,.
K
A
K
Years
sorry
Jacqueline
in
Islington:
yes,
they
have
been
there
for
years,
yeah
a
long
time.
Yes,
the
only
new
installation
is
is
on
judgement
and
Kipling.
If
you
see
the
two
stars
in
my
map,
I'm,
not
sure
if
you've,
if
you
have
this
map,
I
did
created
late
last
night,
but
that
has
been
I
believe
installed
in
September
of
this
year
and
it's
a
three-legged
intersection.
It's
got
sidewalks
and
then
there's
a
bus,
stop
on
North
Queen.
F
F
A
K
F
So
I
do
notice.
The
report
seems
a
little
thin
on
detail,
so
it
talks
about
the
minimum
vehicular
volume
warrant,
thirty-seven
percent
compliance
and
it
has
to
be
a
hundred
compliance.
What's
the
what
is
the?
What
is
the
warrant?
What
is
the
minimum?
Where
is
the
minimum
vehicular
volume
that
it
warrants
it
I'm?
Looking
at
page
two
of
the
report,
thirty-seven
percent
compliance.
F
E
L
K
F
M
F
E
F
M
F
E
F
E
F
E
E
E
A
suitable
gap
in
traffic
on
a
major
arterial
road
I
mean
I'm
I'm
thinking
of
major
arterial
roads
in
my
area
and
I'm
wondering
gee,
the
flow
of
traffic
is
quite
I
guess
they
have
to
wait
until
the
lineup
of
cars
is
such
that
there's,
congestion,
that's
like,
or
when
the
lights
downstream
or
upstream
have
turned
and
there's
a
gap
in
traffic.
Okay.
E
Is
there
any
consideration
given
to
the
fact
that
maybe
people
would
avoid
that
intersection
simply
because
the
safety
issues,
and
so
that
we
don't
have?
If
we
don't
have
a
record
of
you,
know,
accidents
or
collisions
in
that
area?
It's
because
people
tend
to
stay
away
from
that
area.
That's
a
possibility.
Thank.
C
E
C
E
A
F
F
F
F
A
C
You
mr.
chair
I
have
a
motion
if
we
can
put
it
up
on
the
screen
and
it's
that
the
Etobicoke
York
Community
Council
delete
the
recommendation
contained
in
the
report:
October
5th
2017
from
the
director
of
transportation
services
at
oblique
New,
York
district
and
recommend
instead
that
City
Council
approved
the
installation
of
traffic
control
signals
at
the
intersection
of
Islington
Avenue
and
Norden
Avenue,
a
fault
Avenue,
and
this
this
comments
to
my
to
my
colleagues.
C
If
there
was
a
light
there,
more
people
would
would
not
take
all
these
side
streets
and
create
more
additional
traffic
and
the
other
residential
streets
to
go
all
the
way
around.
And
then
we
have
a
safety
issue.
We
have,
you
know
we
as
a
city
are
trying
to
get
people
out
of
cars,
trying
to
get
them
to
go
to
our
transit
system
and
we're
not
making
it
safe
for
people
to
connect
to
the
transit
system.
C
Here
from
a
very
large
community
and
I
can
tell
you
that
this
part
of
the
Queensway
there
are
still
substantial
amount
of
homeowners
that
are
now
seniors
and
I
know
as
a
fact
they
all
paid
think
how
long
they've
lived
there
they've
paid
they
paid
for
their
homes,
30
40,
50
thousand
dollars,
they're
trying
to
get
to
doctor's
visits
or
trying
to
visit
other
family,
and
they
can't
get
to
the
bus.
Stop
because
it's
four
lanes
of
busy
traffic
and
it's
gonna
get
busier
and
busier
and
busier.
C
So
again,
it's
not
something
I
take
lightly.
But,
aside
from
the
warrants,
just
go
out
there
and
visit
the
area
go
there
in
the
morning
and
take
a
look,
how
frustrating
it
is
to
leave
these
communities
in
a
safe
way
and
imagine
that
this
is
gonna
get
better,
not
worse.
So
for
that
reason,
I'd,
like
support
on
this
motion,.
F
I
just
want
to
talk
I
find
the
report
very
light
in
information.
This
is
to
the
director
of
transportation
services.
I.
Don't
feel
that
there's
enough
data
here
to
make
a
reasonable
determination
of
whether
there
is
or
there
isn't,
a
traffic
light
I
would
have
liked
have
known
the
number
of
cars
approaching
Islington
from
Athol
and
approaching
from
Norton
at
rush
hour.
I
would
like
to
know
the
number
of
cars
attempting
to
turn
left
to
go
north
on
Islington
or
soar
south
from
a
Thal
to
go
to
go
south
number
of
cars.
F
Trying
to
make
that
the
length
of
the
delay
you
know
was
the
queue
five
cars,
ten
cars.
You
know
it's
a
sort
of
information,
I
need
to
know
the
percentage
come
there.
Dustin
I
mean
I
I'm
happy
to
vote
against,
something
that
doesn't
meet
the
warrants,
but
I
need
to
understand
really
what
the
warrants
are
and
and
have
a
net
better
data.
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
support
councilor
D
Chanos
recommendation,
because
I
also
think
that
that
staff
probably
could
have
recommended
or
taken
measures
to
improve
the
signal,
timing
or
change
the
signal.
F
Chime
timing
at
both
Jutland
and
the
Queensway
so
as
to
so
as
to
enable
breaks
in
the
traffic
and
I
had
I
have
a
very
similar
situation
of
my
old
own
ward
between
Rathburn
and
Dundas.
It's
a
really
long
stretch
of
roadway.
There
was
a
TTC
stop
on
other
saw
on
other
side
of
the
road
knit
block
you
have
to
wait.
That's
why
I
asked
the
question
of
the
deputed.
How
long
do
you
have
to
wait?
He
said
well
a
minute
and
a
half
and
well
that's
nothing.
F
I
guess:
I
went
out
one
day
and
in
in
my
part
of
Islington
now
you
have
to
wait
five,
six,
seven
minutes
to
get
across
which
isn't
which
isn't
really,
you
know
very
satisfactory
in
the
morning,
so
I
think
other
measures
could
it
could
have
been
looked
at
and
in
order
to
in
order
to
enable
those
crossings-
I'm
not
really
happy
with
with
the
lack
of
information
in
the
staff
report.
But
that
being
said,
I'm
not
going
to
support
the
installation
of
traffic
lights
because
I
don't
have
enough
information
to
do
so.
A
Any
other
speakers
all
right.
No
other
speakers.
We
have
an
emotion
motion
from
counselor
to
channel
if
we
could
put
it
back
up
on
the
screen,
recommending
approval
of
the
installation
of
the
traffic
lights
and
it's
coming
up
in
a
moment
there.
It
is
okay,
all
in
favor
of
the
of
the
item,
as
amended
by
councils,
channel
D
channel.
F
A
Final
report:
that's
26.1
final
report,
baby
point
gates,
planning
study,
225
to
4:30,
Jane
Street
and
665
787
Annette
Street,
494,
armadyl,
Avenue,
143,
Evans
and
1
&,
2,
harsh
I've,
and
you
and
502
to
504.
Go
Lord.
I
have
a
new
official
plan
amendment
any
speakers
on
this
item.
There
none
listed
here.
G
I'll
be
moving
staff
recommendation
with
a
very
quick
thank
you
to
the
committee
who
walked
James
and
Annette
on
a
bitterly
cold
Saturday
morning.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
they've
done.
I
want
to
thank
Phil
Cavallino,
our
planner,
who
also
worked
on
the
very
cold
day
and
worked
very
well
with
our
community
to
come
up
with
this
report
just
very
quickly.
G
The
reason
it's
here
we
have
a
BIA
in
this
area
and
their
concern
was
that
when
some
of
the
non-conforming
properties
were
being
sold,
it
was
reverting
to
residential,
a
BIA,
obviously,
once
retail
it
wasn't
happening.
So
this
is
why
the
reports
in
front
of
us
I
think
it's
a
good
report
and
therefore
I
support
it
fully,
and
obviously
no
one's
here
to
speak
against
that
the
BIA
does
support
it,
and
on
that
note,
I
will
finish.
E
A
E
A
O
Good
morning,
everyone
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
I
am
here:
I
have
I
have
a
letter
here
we
have
been
visiting
the
houses
individually
in
the
neighborhood
for
the
last
couple
of
months
and
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
I
was
able
to
collect
some
signatures
which
support
to
oppose
the
change
of
law.
So
the
letter
says
we
strongly
condemn
and
oppose
any
move
to
change
the
existing
bylaw.
We
request
the
concerned
officials
to
safeguard
the
neighborhood.
Please
allow
us
to
live
peacefully
in
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
You
are
sincerely
residents
of
the
neighborhood.
O
The
application
for
changing
the
bylaw
was
submitted
by
the
seller.
The
seller
is
leaving
the
area
we
are
the
residents
of
the
area.
Our
concerns
are
genuine.
Considering
the
seller's
business
plan.
To
my
understanding,
there
was
a
note
at
the
particular
address
stating
that
the
place
has
been
sold.
O
Conditionally
I
am
Not
sure
the
seller
I
believe,
has
sold
the
property
in
the
protection
of
he
will
change
the
bylaw
so
I,
we
believe
as
the
residents
we
are
highly
concerned.
We
believe
business
interest
has
been
taken
priority
over
the
residents
residents.
Genuine
concerns
second
point
amending
the
bylaw
would
eventually
give
permission
to
serve
liquor
at
the
above
business
place.
This
will
seriously
affect
the
normal
life
in
the
neighborhood.
This
will
result
in
drug
use
and
make
the
residential
neighborhood
into
a
stranger's
Ren
Devo.
On
the
long
run.
O
O
Fourth
point:
any
new
business
will
result
in
increased
traffic
in
the
neighborhood.
This
will
negatively
impact
the
traffic
and
caused
unnecessary
delays.
I
would
like
to
mention
that
to
t
TT
TT
see
roots
are
involved
in
this
intersection
part
field
junior
school
is
in
the
close
ability.
There
are
many
other
schools
in
the
vicinity
as
well.
Increased
traffic
will
result
in
accidents
and
even
deaths.
O
O
Bank,
etc
is
ideal
for
the
location.
Eight
point
as
such,
we
humbly
request
you
to
consider
our
concerns
seriously
and
stop
changing
the
bylaw.
Please
use
your
good
office
to
advocate
for
the
people
and
at
last,
if
the
residents
genuine
concerns
are
negated,
we
would
be
compelled
to
seek
assistance
from
print
electronic
media
and
social
media.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
F
O
O
F
O
F
O
F
Banker,
but
you
know
the
bank
went,
you
know,
is
closing
because
there's
no
business
there,
so
the
bank
determined
that
you
can't
make
any
money
out
of
that
location.
So
you're
aware
that
this
is
what
the
city
is
trying
to
do
is
to
enable
a
better
use
for
the
site,
but
you're
opposed
to
a
better
use,
a
different
use
for
the
site.
We.
O
Don't
so
we
don't
oppose
any
business
places
occupying
the
property,
so
that
can
run
in
the
office
of
us
all
the
opposes
by
changing
the
bylaw.
Eventually,
that
may
be
the
first
buyer
will
not
will
be
functioning
if
the.
If
it
goes
into
a
loss,
he
will
simply
close
the
business
and
move,
and
eventually
it
will
give
rise
to
unwanted
businesses
taking
place
over
the
place.
Would.
O
F
O
E
Having
lived
in
the
area
for
over
a
decade,
I
would
have
to
say
I
would
be
really
concerned
about
noise
levels,
especially
after
six
or
seven
o'clock
in
the
evening,
and
we've
had
a
number
of
occasions
where
noise
levels
in
our
area
have
been
enough
to
have
police
come
in
to
sort
things
out.
It's
noise
level
in
the
area
is
has
been
an
issue
in
the
past,
and
I
would
be
concerned
about
what
kind
of
business
would
be
in
there
if
it
would
be
loud
and
if
it
would
be
late.
E
E
E
E
E
F
E
F
F
E
E
What
type
of
noise
are
you
trying
to
kind
of
push
back
against
in
the
community,
as
opposed
to
like
some
examples
of
what
you
wouldn't
want
to
see
in
that
location?
If
there
was
a
business
that
had
an
outdoor
patio
that
had
music
going
until
1
or
2
o'clock
in
the
morning,
I
would
be
very
opposed
to
that.
Okay,
a
restaurant,
if
it's
indoors
and
it's
quiet,
but
how
do
you
ensure
that
this
restaurant
is
not
going
to
have
an
outdoor
patio
with
speakers
going?
L
G
E
G
E
G
Following
on
on
counselors
forwards,
questioning
you're
you
are:
are
you
aware
that
if
a
restaurant
opened,
if
they
wanted
a
patio
that
comes
to
us
here,
they
are
allowed
no
amplification
out
on
their
patio?
They
have
to
shut
the
patio
down
at
certain
hours.
So
all
those
things
if
that
happened
could
be
controlled
by
your
local
counselor
and
the
counselors
here.
Just
to
reassure
you
awesome.
E
E
E
P
You
very
much
my
name
is
you
mentioned,
is
Adrian
litovsky
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
and
just
first
of
all,
just
of
course,
in
making
myself
available
to
answer
any
questions
which
you
may
have
and
also
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
here
today.
Just
simply
for
reference.
P
An
overview
of
the
property
there.
Hopefully
you
can
see
that
okay,
and
as
mentioned
this
is
a
vacant
site
which
was
formerly
occupied
by
a
TD
Bank
branch,
which
has
in
fact
been
closed
for
approximately
two
years
or
so
and
at
the
end
of
the
day.
The
whole
purpose
of
this
application
is
to
allow
td2
to
market
the
property.
As
mentioned.
The
branch
is
closed.
P
There
is
no
intent
to
to
reopen
it
and
the
idea
is
to
see
how
the
property
might
be
marketed,
but,
of
course,
a
hurdle
to
that
is
they're
very
restrictive
nature
of
the
existing
zoning,
which
limits
it
to
either
a
gas
station
or
a
financial
institution.
I
should
note
that,
in
fact,
this
property
is
zoned
local
commercial
today,
and
that
zoning
has
been
in
place
well
for
at
least
50
or
60
years.
P
As
part
of
the
the
original
zoning,
it
was
in
1961
that
a
site-specific
bar
law
was
passed
when
a
gas
station
was
proposed
on
the
site
and
it
limited
it
to
that
particular
use.
At
that
time,
then,
in
1994,
when
TD
came
along,
there
was
another
site-specific
bar
law
which
simply
added
the
bank
use
to
the
previous
1961
restriction.
P
But
all
that
time
the
co
zone
has
been
in
place
underneath,
and
so
the
proposal
today
is
to
simply
remove
those
site-specific
limits
and
allow
the
underlying
local
commercial
zone
to
come
forward
and
the
full
range
of
uses
and,
as
I've
heard
mentioned
here
today.
There's
no
specific
proposal
on
the
table
right
now
is
simply
to
allow
the
property
to
be
marketed
and
when
and
and
if
a
proposal
does
indeed
come
forward.
P
The
issue
is
one
about
land
use
compatibility
because,
as
mentioned,
this
is
a
retail
location
and
Co
zone
has
been
in
place
for
many
many
years
and
it's
at
ultimately
the
same
kind
of
broad
CL
permission
that
has
been
allowed
throughout
the
city
in
other
similar
situations.
Right
next
to
existing
residential
I
have
heard
the
neighbors
concerns.
P
If
I
may
suggest,
I
respectfully
believe
that
in
part,
I
think
they're,
driven
by
perhaps
a
misunderstanding
of
how
the
planning
system
works
and
what
zoning
is
and
can
do
and
what
it
can't
do
and
versus
the
other
powers
the
city
has
to
control
such
concerns,
whether
it
be
noise
which
can
indeed
be
regulated
through
the
city's
own
noise
bylaws
and
the
city
has
tools
in
that
regard.
They
will
be
in
place
here,
and
zoning
ultimately
is
just
really
about
an
underlying
use
permission.
The
it
complies
to
the
Official
Plan.
P
This
is
a
neighborhood
apartment,
neighborhood
designation,
the
Official
Plan,
which
indeed
allows
such
small
scale.
Retail
is
proposed
here
and
there's
no
question
there
and
we
are
grateful
for
staff
support
and
you
have
there
stood
the
report
in
front
of
you.
So
I
just
want
to
see
if
I've
I
think
I've
touched
on
on
all
the
aspects
there
and,
of
course,
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
Thank.
P
It's
been
on
the
market
for
some
time.
It's
on
the
market.
Now
it's
on
the
market.
Now
I
heard
one
comment
before
that
there
was
a
thought
that
it
might
have
been
sold
conditionally
just
friends,
a
matter
of
fact.
I
can
say
that
it
there
was
no
such
sale
in
place.
Interest
has
been
expressed,
but
it
never
reached
that
point.
F
P
F
P
G
P
Can
may
certainly
make
a
note
of
that
for
TD
to
consider
there
is
the
ATM.
That's
there
today,
ultimately,
at
the
end
of
it
all.
If
the
permissions
that
we
were
seeking
are
put
in
place,
whether
it's
the
ATM
or
any
other
new
use,
it
would
still
have
to
comply
whatever,
whatever,
whatever
the
zoning
requirements
are,
and
so
it's
if
the
ATM
is
there,
we'd
have
to
play
by
the
rules.
G
F
Okay,
can
you
there's
a
good
morning
prints
on
page
five,
there
is
a
list
of
permitted
uses
that
talk
about
ambulance,
depo,
Community,
Center
education
use,
financial
I
could
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
list.
Recreation
use,
public
utility
place
of
worship
talks
about
retail
pet
services.
Are
there?
Are
there
possibilities
beyond
this
list,
or
is
this
an
exclusive
list
of
what
might
be
there?
I'm.
B
This
an
exclusive
list
of
what
might
be
there
and
I
must
point
out
the
fact
that
the
permissions
that
we
granted
is
similar
to
the
lands
located
to
the
south
east
corner.
What
a
Shoppers,
Drug
Mart
is
and
again
they're
consistent
with
the
permissions
currently
in
place
for
the
apartment
building
located
on
the
northwest
corner
so
again
into
from
a
landing
standpoint.
We
look
at
our
compatibility
and
consistency,
and
so
the
last
year
is
essentially
consistent
with
armed
official
plan
policies
in
place.
So.
B
F
B
Depends
on
the
skill
of
of
the
use
if
the
skill
water
proposing
is
bigger
than
the
existing
building
and
they'll
probably
have
to
go
through
another
planning
approval
process,
be
it
a
site
plan
or
a
committee
of
adjustment
process?
Well,
it's
a
public
process.
We
still
have
an
opportunity
to
review
it
and
put
in
place
I'm
selling
controls
with
respect
to
the
noise.
The
city
currently
has
on
the
noise
control
bylaws
that
can
regulate.
You
know
that
concern
if
it
comes
up
has.
E
B
Under
569
2013
and
there's
an
exception
to
0-7
that,
except
some
references
you
to
the
base
zone
in
dialogue
which
restricts
they
used
to
the
two
uses,
the
financial
institution
and
the
gas
station.
So
in
order
to
make
this
happen,
we
need
to
remove
or
repeal
or
what
you
call
repeal
that
restrictive
and
that
an
exception
to
0-7
so
essentially.
F
So
I'll
move
the
staff
recommendations.
This
is
a
site
that
I
think
there's
there's
a
bit
of
a
fear
of
the
unknown
on
what
might
happen
here
and
yet
the
city
does
have
bylaws
in
place
to
protect
against.
You
know
unwelcome
entrance
into
the
neighborhood.
Shall
we
say
the
site
has
been,
you
know
dormant
for
two
years:
I,
don't
think
we
want
it
to
be
dormant
indefinitely.
F
It's
not
a
healthy
sign
of
a
neighborhood.
The
plaza
across
the
road
is
healthy.
The
plaza
is,
is
a
very
well
used
plaza
with
a
Tim
Horton's
and
a
Shoppers
Drug
Mart.
There's
a
variety
store.
They
used
to
be
a
restaurant.
There
I
think
there
are
places
to
get
food
at
the
Plaza
now,
but
this
is
this
is
this
is
really
just
a
you
know,
trying
to
free
up
the
site
so
that
somebody
can
come
in
maybe
put
in
a
medical
building,
maybe
put
in
a
dental
office,
maybe
put
in
some.
F
You
know
some
regular
business
offices,
I,
don't
know
if
paramedic
services,
we
want
this
site
that
this
particular
site
or
Toronto
Fire,
but
right
now
this
site
is
totally
encumbered
by
the
restrictions.
You
know,
people
aren't
gonna,
be
building
gas
stations
anymore,
so
I,
don't
think
the
gas
in
we're
gonna
have
electric
cars
for
crying
out
loud
and
we're
gonna,
even
I
think
have
people
driving
them.
So
you
know
I
mean
the
gas
station
business.
F
You
know
that's
it's
time
limited
and
as
far
as
the
banking
is
concerned,
the
reason
the
TD
got
out
of
it
is
because
they
couldn't
make
any
money.
So
unless
we
on
encumber
this
site,
the
site's
just
going
to
remain
dormant
and
the
weeds
are
gonna
start
coming
up
through
the
cracks
and
then
it's
really
gonna
look
derelict
so
I
think
it's
important
that
the
city
take
responsible
measure.
It
measures
to
free
up
the
site,
and
so
that's
that's
my
position
on
it.
I'm
going
to
you
know,
move
the
staff
recommendations.
Mr.
chair.
A
A
A
D
A
B
A
A
You're
moving
that
item.
Yes,
all
right,
all
in
favor,
let's
move
by
cancer
opposed
no,
no
we've
got
we
got
to
get
to
26.5,
we'll
do
that.
After
next
item
is
26.5
refused
to
report
3
0,
0,
2,
2,
3,
0,
1,
4,
isn't
an
Avenue
official
plan,
amendment
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
plan
of
subdivision
applications.
We
have
some
speakers
listed
here
for
a
speaker-
is
grant
Evers.
Q
You
for
the
opportunity
to
address
Council
this
morning,
I'm
here
to
support
the
position
of
staff
on
this
refusal
report.
I'd
like
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background.
My
name
is
grant
Evers
I
serve,
as
vice
president
of
the
hover
summit
residents
association
they're
about
75,
currently
paid
members,
most
of
whom
live
right
around
the
vicinity
of
the
development.
Q
I
would
like
to
outline
the
origins
of
residents
association
just
briefly,
because
I
think
it
has
some
bearing
on
this
particular
issue
here,
we're
concerned
that
council
is
attempting
to
see
this
could
proceed
even
though
there
is
a
refusal
report
against
it.
The
reason
why
we
got
involved
here,
maybe
in
the
beginning,
was
that
there
was.
We
had
some
concerns
about
how
the
actual
land
was
purchased
initially,
because
the
councillors
former
executive
assistant
was
involved
in
purchasing
the
negotiating
the
sale
of
a
portion
of
the
property.
Q
3002
Islington
see
it's
a
block
of
land
3000
and
two
or
three
thousand
fourteen
three
thousand
and
two
years
old
by
the
city
and
the
councillors.
Former
executive
assistant
was
involved
in
negotiating
the
sale,
so
that
raised
some
red
flags.
Then
there
was
an
opportunity
to
have
an
advisory
committee
set
up
after
the
statutory
meeting.
Q
Q
Q
We
failed
in
the
roll
call
was
a
manipulative
attempt
to
shut
down
any
meaningful
critique
or
dissent.
A
resident
Association
was
formed.
Input
for
the
Association
was
rejected.
Two
more
times
when
we
tried
to
speak
to
the
issue
speak
to
the
eight
committee.
We
have
closely
followed
the
applications
throughout
the
entire
review
process.
The
rest
of
the
Association
has
submitted
evaluations
to
the
City
Planning
Department
I
met
with
planners
to
express
our
concerns
and
make
and
offer
suggestions.
Q
Q
The
developers
have
presented
a
revised
plan
and
don't
want
to
work
at
great
expense.
We
don't
underestimate
that.
However,
after
careful
consideration,
the
City
Planning
Department
has
said
that,
notwithstanding
improvements,
the
current
design
has
too
many
features
that
do
not
meet
the
standard
set
in
the
Official
Plan,
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
infill
guidelines
for
town
houses.
That's
that's
a
pretty
damning
indictment
of
the
other
of
the
application.
Q
We
strongly
urge
councillors
today
to
reject
this
motion
and
propose
that
a
developer
amend
the
site
plans
over
the
concerns
in
the
city
of
Toronto's
planners
in
the
Humber
Center
residents
are
addressed.
The
motion
should
not
be
approved
when
the
proposal
clearly
is
contrary
to
provincial
in
city
of
trial
development
policies.
You
asked
a
date
of
employ
your
best
judgment.
Your
decision
will
impact
our
community
for
years
to
come.
A
E
D
Q
Q
Did
t
they
did
not
do
that
or
that
on
the
18th
and
another
gentleman
offered
his
services?
And
you
refused
him
because
you
said
you
didn't
have
enough:
oh,
we
don't
have
enough
room
for
you
and
when
I
and
you
and
when
you
were
pressed
at
a
meeting
that
you
called
you
asked,
you
said.
If
finally,
you
said,
if
anybody
else
wishes
to
become
a
member,
they
saw.
Member
of
the
group
please
for
my
office
and
email
which
I
did
and
then
about
a
week
later,
I
got
a
very
kindly
written
response.
D
D
Q
I,
don't
know
where
there
was
a
vote
in
North,
but
the
point
is
that
there
were
opportunities
for
us
to
make
an
evaluation
and
contribute,
and
you
made
sure
that
I
didn't
phrase
this
personally
didn't
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
So
that's
why
I
I
did
do
a
thorough
review
of
the
development
application
submitted
it
to
a
city
play
department
and
we
discussed
the
pros
and
cons
of
the
application.
D
D
So
there
was
a
process
put
in
place
of
about
ten
meetings.
That's
what
I
got
here:
oh
hi,
that
included
all
of
the
the
advisory
committee
meetings
and
all
in
all
the
the
meetings
with
planning
and
these
and
the
the
developer
and
and
the
community
representatives
and
at
the
end
of
it
all.
There
was
a
final
vote
where
much
of
what
you
have
to
say
was
talked
about,
and
the
community
voted
overwhelmingly
to
support
the
sixty
units
defect.
Q
Yesterday,
that
was
your
question
here
at
the
question
a
moment
ago,
you
just
said
that
there
were
two
thousand
people
in
in
the
community.
There
are
two
thousand
people
in
the
community
and
there
and
there
you're
saying
the
final
decision.
You
were
trying
to
apply
it.
Somehow
we
didn't
represent
the
community.
Now
you're
saying
the
final
decision
was
determined
by
sixty
people
who
happened
to
show
up
at
the
very
last
meeting,
who
undoubtedly
got
a
little
bit
me
a
little
bit
frustrated
by
how
long
this
whole
process
was
taking,
but.
E
D
And
it
started
out
with
a
question
started
out
with
a
hundred
and
thirty
six
units,
the
the
the
community
was
in
an
uproar
with
respect
to
that
and
and
continual
dialogue
took
place
question
where
the
developer
came
back
a
number
of
times
and
ended
up
after
a
number
of
meetings
agreeing
with
the
community
and
settling
with
sixty
units.
You
were
there
at
all
those
meetings.
There's.
Q
A
C
Thank
you.
Mister
chair,
sir
I
listened
to
your
deputation
for
five
minutes
and
other
than
unsubstantiated
mud
swinging.
You
essentially
reiterate:
what's
in
the
report,
a
standard
language
that
you
don't
like
the
features
of
the
application,
I'd
like
to
know
what
you
actually
don't
like
about
the
application,
I
think
I.
Q
Q
Well,
first
of
all,
number
one
was
the
public
street
is
that
what
the
city
was
recommending
for
any
new
street
going
through
here
and
the
reason
why
they
want
a
public
street,
so
it'll
be
wider
right
right.
Okay,
the
be
more
turn
around
space
for
emergency
vehicles,
the
individual
setbacks
would
be
would
be
in
compliance
with
city
policies
is
right
now
and
I'm.
Q
We
were
having
you,
for
example:
that's
the
street.
That's
on
the
south
end
of
the
development
on
muir.
The
setbacks
are
so
close
to
the
street
that
they
wouldn't
line
up
with
the
homes
that
are
currently
there.
So
a
person
gets
in
their
car
in
the
driveway
and
they
look
they're
gonna,
look
at
a
wall;
okay,
no,
so
that
that's
an
issue,
traffic
congestion,
I,
don't
think,
was
addressed.
I,
don't
think
it
was
really
addressed
adequately
by
the
Planning
Department
either.
But
that's
perhaps
in
an
issue.
For
another
day
parking
spaces.
Q
There
were
twelve
parking
spaces
for
visitors.
Now
that
mates
the
bear
that
satisfies
the
bare
minimum
according
to
the
law
or
the
bylaws,
the
parking
that
is
going
to
be
overflow
up
or
out
of
the
streets
demure
and
de
l'arche
mere
there
was
what,
in
the
plan
and
one
handicapped,
accessible
parking
spot
and
was
put
in
the
most
inaccessible
part
of
the
whole
property
northwest
corner,
so
I
mean
that's
not
even
giving
lip
service
to
the
handicapped,
insufficient
green
space.
Q
You
know
any
kind
of
a
development
should
have
some
space,
so
even
this
for
a
tiny
playground
for
children
and
there's
no
space
for
that
whatsoever.
There's
no
space
for
really
social
interaction
and
they
have
more
than
two
yet
any
kind
of
agreement
with
the
public
school
system
or
the
Catholic
school
system
about
accommodating
in
children.
We're
gonna
be
living
in
this
for
this
community.
Okay,.
Q
C
C
C
Q
C
C
You
aware
that
if
this
particular
developer
and
which
a
lot
of
them
do
when
they're
not
allowed
to
bring
in
private
roads,
there's
a
way
to
get
around
that
policy,
and
that
is
to
actually
create
underground
parking
where
they
can
double
the
amount
of
units
and
instead
of
having
family
size
units,
they
go
more
to
like
a
condo
sighs.
You
know
you
aware
that
yes
way
of
getting
around
things,
yes,.
C
Q
Q
Q
Have
a
trainer
based
on
one
assumption
and
oh
that
one
assumption
was
that
a
vice
president
of
the
Daniels
corporation,
one
of
the
major
developers
in
the
city
has
said
that
in
2013
he's
had
that
that
14,
the
18
house
townhouses
per
acre,
is
the
industry
standard
14
to
18
per
acre.
So
that
would
mean
on
this
site
that
would
make
43
no
I'm
not
saying
this
should
go
down
to
43,
but
I.
D
D
D
D
E
D
Q
Understand
that
and
that's
typically
been
the
with
respect
to
any
development
that
the
argument
that
you've
raised
in
the
past
just
to
update
everyone
as
of
crit
before
Christmas.
It
is
expected
that
the
legislation
will
pass
an
eternal
legislature
for
the
abandonment
of
the
OMB,
replacing
with
a
tribunal
which,
whose
purpose
will
be
to
ensure
that
all
developments
are
consistent
up.
D
D
Q
Again
well,
the
last
part
of
my
argument
is
fallacious,
because
the
sixth,
the
sixty
is
not
supported.
Necessarily
by
the
majority
of
the
community,
mean
you
had
a
committee
that
you
supposed
to
have
been
35
and
only
it
maximum
was
never
22
and
half
of
them
were
husband,
a
wife
team,
so
it
I
mean
it
really
wasn't
representative
that.
Q
F
F
Q
F
Some
two,
sometimes
these
things
can
can
be
negotiated
too,
and
and
really
what
what
what
sounds
like
the
current
submission
is
d.
It's
it's
like
99,
99
%,
and
you
know
close
to
what
you
would
like
to
see
on
all
right
particular
site.
So
it
doesn't
sound
like
your
objections
to
the
the
sixty
unit
proposal
or
really
that
are
really
that
that
dire
I
would
say,
because,
if
they're
pretty
close
to,
what
you
think
would
be
satisfactory.
Q
E
Q
Q
In
fact,
that
was
the
very
first
thing
that
the
community
wanted
it
that's
why
there
was
such
an
uproar
initially
and
that's
what
led
to
so
many
people
willing
to
come
to
our
meeting
because
they
wanted.
You
know
the
community
is
as
well
established
and
it's
been
detached
to
semi-detached,
but
sound
houses
can
be
part
of
the
current
zoning
as
I
understand,
I,
assuming.
E
Q
E
N
Morning,
mr.
chair
members
of
council,
my
name
is
Ryan
Burton
from
KLM
planning
partners
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
outfit
applicant
Cal
Muir
Development
Inc.
My
client
submitted
the
applications
for
official
plan
amendment
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
site
plan
approval
in
December
2015.
As
you
heard
earlier,
the
applications
original
applications
would
facilitate
the
construction
of
a
hundred
thirty
six
stack,
townhome
stack,
townhouse
units
with
underground
parking
through
an
extensive
community
consultation
process
consisting
of
nine
community
consultation,
means
and
numerous
means
with
C
staff.
N
My
clients
arrived
at
the
current
proposal
for
sixty
Freehold,
townhouses
and
lynx
semi
dwellings,
which,
through
the
pre
consultation,
means
received
strong
support
within
the
community.
My
proposed
are
sorry.
The
proposed
applications
will
facilitate
sixty
freehold
common
account
houses
with
each
unit
containing
a
garage
parking
space
and
a
driveway
parking
space
in
addition
to
twelve
visitor
parking
spaces
in
accordance
with
the
City
of
Toronto
zoning
bylaw.
N
While
the
proposed
development
does
not
fully
conform
to
say,
Toronto
dips
Sanders,
my
client
has
demonstrated
the
proposal
will
be
functional
from
a
technical
perspective
with
respect
to
traffic,
solid
waste
and
emergency
services.
Toronto
Fire
Services
has
confirmed
that
a
satisfactory
fire
route
has
been
provided
and
traffic
study
has
been
prepared.
That
demonstrates
the
turning
and
maneuvering
requirements
for
C,
eternal
garbage
trucks
can
be
accommodated.
N
The
proposed
private
road
is
not
8
metres
wide,
as
required
by
dips,
but
it
does
provide
the
appropriate
means
for
solid
waste
collection,
emergency
service
vehicles
and
vehicle
air
circulation
and
parking
block.
7
&
8,
which
back
onto
the
existing
neighborhood
to
the
west,
have
been
designed
to
minimize
roofs
massing
by
providing
for
physical
separation
between
the
pairs
of
units
to
replicate
the
look
of
semi-detached
in
single
detached
dwelling
units.
This
arc
occurred.
N
This
architectural
treatment
provides
for
an
appropriate
transition
of
built
form
to
the
existing
residential
dwellings
to
the
West
minimum
rear
yards
of
seven
meters
are
proposed
along
the
westerly
property
line
of
subject
lands.
This
will
provide
a
total
building
separation
between
existing
rear
yards
in
the
proposed
rear
yards
of
approximately
30
metres.
Further
more
significant
masonry
wall
exists
along
the
westerly
property
line
that
for
substantial
privacy.
Screening
is
not
anticipated
that
the
proposed
reduction
of
the
rear
yard
by
0.5
years
will
have
a
noticeable
or
adverse
impact
on
the
adjacent
lands.
N
Block
9,
which
fronts
on
to
Muir
Avenue
is
immediately
north
of
a
place
of
worship
site
as
designate
as
mixed-use
by
the
city
Toronto
Official
Plan.
This
dozen
allows
for
a
range
of
low
to
mid
rise
buildings
and
commercial
uses.
The
proposed
townhouse
built
form
of
block
9
is
appropriate.
Given
the
current
in
plan,
land
uses,
South,
aamir
Avenue
and
a
proximity
to
at
Islington
Avenue
block
9
is
adjacent
to
is
not
jacent
and
does
not
directly
impact
any
existing
residential
dwellings.
N
The
proposed
townhouse
built
form
of
block
9
will
provide
continuation
of
the
urban
edge
established
by
blocks
1
and
to
the
front
onto
Islington,
Avenue
and
frame
the
public
frontage
of
the
site
with
a
consistent,
interactive
built
forum
and
provide
appropriate
transition
and
interface.
It
makes
use
designation
to
the
south
of
mirror.
The
proposed
setback
along
Muir
Avenue
provides
an
appropriate
transition
to
a
budding
lands
to
the
west
by
providing
an
averaging
of
the
adjacent
setbacks,
as
per
plain
staffs
request.
Therefore,
no
further
increase
in
the
front
yard
setback
was
proposed.
N
My
clients
work
closely
with
the
area,
residents
and
sea
staff
for
the
past
2
years
to
arrive
at
the
proposed
development
before
you
today
for
the
proposal
sensitive
the
surrounding
neighbourhood
and
provides
an
appropriate
built
forum
transition.
Furthermore,
my
client
has
demonstrated
at
develop
will
function
from
a
traffic
salt
waste
and
emergency
services
perspective.
Based
on
all
this,
my
client
requests.
The
council
approved
the
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendment
official
plan,
amendment
and
draft
plan
subdivision.
Thank.
A
N
D
So
you
got
there
because
the
community
got
quite
active
and
and
talk
to
you
through
the
planning
department
with
the
Planning
Department
and
that's
how
you
achieved
your
60
units.
That's
right
now
on
your
site
itself,
there's
a
road
in
between
your
site
and
your
next-door
neighbor
on
the
other
side
of
the
road.
Correct.
Yes,.
N
N
D
The
eleventh
hour,
we,
we
saw
another
revisal
from
one
of
the
planners
that
asked
for
a
few
more
things
and
we
knew
that
dips
would
be
an
issue
as
well.
So
we
knew
it
was
a
refusal
application
right
from
the
get-go
right.
That's
right
and
the
initial
concept
of
1:36.
How
many
parking
spots
did
you
have
in
each
in
front
of
each
of
the
units?
You
were
gonna,
build.
D
N
D
N
D
N
F
The
deputy
in
representing
a
number
of
residents
said
that
you
know
60
was
a
good
move.
He
wishes
there
were
fewer
townhouses
just
to
free
up
a
little
bit
of
space.
Would
you
be
willing
to
entertain
discussions
with
the
community
to
make
some
changes
to
this
to
this
design?
That's
in
place
now,
frankly,.
N
M
My
name
is
Umberto
DeFrancesco
I
live
a
six
bunny
hill,
that's
just
south
east
and
west
is
Linton,
so
I've
been
live
there
at
seven
years,
because
I
built
my
own
home
there
I
used
to
live
a
Grampian
crescent.
It's
an
order.
The
Finch
sends
a
seven
year,
so
I
belong
at
the
community
center
judge
Kim
and
the
politics
I
was
with
the
lamb
brain
of
the
before,
but
then
iconic
George.
M
What
we
did
with
it
about
four
or
five
six
meeting
the
community,
and
we
have
about
two
or
three
general
meeting
and
Ciroc.
When
we
was
on
Ciroc,
the
community
was
there
and
they
asked
a
question.
Giorgia
answer
the
question:
we
answer
the
question
because
we
went
through
with
this
builder.
It's
like
excuse
me
on
my
world,
like
when
you
milk,
the
cow,
so
the
car.
We
have
so
much
mail
and
you
can
milk,
milk,
milk,
milk.
M
Every
time
it
was
a
tough
talk
from
the
community
from
George,
sometimes
even
from
the
Builder.
So
we
bring
this
guy
after
so
many
meeting
for
the
community.
Then
we
bring
to
the
general
meeting
and
we
hear
the
response
and
then
we
have
more
meeting.
You
know
with
the
community
and
in
first
thing,
I
want
I
want
to
say
that
I
gender
many
spoke,
not
the
one
who
spoke
normally
one
before
he
said
make
up
this
community
I
am
with
the
George
and
these
people
there
they
was
with
George.
M
M
No
because
I
live
in
the
area,
since
78
I
was
in
a
community
since
78,
and
so
when
we
bring
her
up
to
the
people
and
a
general
meeting
the
people,
the
heifer
is
complain
and
we
bring
to
the
jail
with
the
community
meeting,
and
we
talking
about
that
and
we
milk
more
of
the
car,
we
milk
and
we
Mirka
women
and
we
bring
down
to
60
hey
the
night.
We
have
the
last
meeting,
216
I
told
the
people
I
see
you
guys
better
wonder
stand
because
of
that
guy.
M
There
Hey
he
came
with
a
plan,
136
stockholm.
He
still
have
it
if
we
known
except
today's,
because
it's
no
more
milk,
it's
no
more
Emir,
no
coming
with
two
hours
of
one
hours
and
they
say
that
it's
both
he
would
possibly
be
on
a
meeting
and
talk
about
that.
Like
I,
been
answer
as
a
rock
Hey,
yes
and
gospel
and
assembly
time-
and
we
know
even
have
a
recommendation,
so
we
reach
the
60,
he
I
think
the
community.
We
have
a
vote.
M
If
we
award
for
the
60
we
present
to
the
public,
the
public
and
Ciroc,
they
accept
hey.
So
we
taught
was
everything
nice
and
planned,
because
that's
what
I'm
not
sure
we
we
work
hard
for
that.
We
work
real
hard
because
I
built
my
home
there
seven
years
ago.
That's
a
nicer
home
and
we
was
everything.
Quite
so
I
know
you
know
even
the
Stockholm,
it's
okay,
but
no
Megan
was
so
small
because
of
the
community.
There
they
got
to
go.
Do
all
you
know.
M
If
you
look
at
an
ox,
you
know
they
got
good
homes.
Now
they
built
a
nice
home
detach
the
moment.
That's
a
beautiful
home,
so
you
come
with
that.
I
know
where
nothing
wrong
with
it,
but
we
can
milk
a
little
bit
and
we
come
down
to
sexy
I.
Think
that's
a
good
deal
good
deal!
That's
enough!
No,
no
start!
The
politics!
Please
please!
M
This
guy
is
excuse.
Me
means
return
this
guy
supposed
to
be
there
one
we
sweat
at
some
gospel.
We
have
one
friend
we
keep
and
share
with
the
lady.
Hey
you'd
get
a
little
bit.
We
was
talking
to
that
above
this
thing
to
come
and
on
now
for
the
transportation
we
still
we
have
to
talk
with
these
people
transportation.
It
see
what
they
can
do
and
more
and
eliezer
there,
because
we
have
a
problem,
but
we
have
been
that's
different
deal.
M
A
M
A
D
M
Used
to
say
you
know
what
forget
about:
let's
go
home
because
I'd
better
go
to
the
club.
I
go
play
card
because
there's
no
use
of
the
disgust
for
this.
So
you
come,
you
told
me
see
you
come
back
with
a
better
deal
and
they
come
down.
So
we
refuse
him
again
we're
using
again.
So
you
come
back
again.
You
have
a
better
deal.
You
have
a
better
day,
but
then
one
after
all,
the
sweat
all
the
talk.
The
community
have
the
community.
M
D
Weren't
happy
with
the
with
the
square
footage
of
the
properties
they
wanted
it,
the
a
bigger
was
there
anything
else
was
the
parking
on
the
properties
was
one
of
those
issues.
They
wanted
two
parking
spots
in
front
of
each
unit,
and
not
one
is
that
this
is
the
first
meeting
right
when
you
first
heard
about
the
136.
Yes,.
M
George,
you
know,
a
you
know
is
a
a
you
know:
we
we
have
a
bunch
people
in
sometimes
these
people,
you
want
people,
think
one
way,
the
other
people
think
in
the
other
way.
My
few
start
talk
with
them.
You
know
like
a
community
and
you
talk
with
them.
They
say:
oh
yeah,
you
right,
you
know
it's
a
better
than
have
with
this
detached
you
home.
You
know
same
unit
at
your
home,
they
have
a
stock
of
whom
so
hey
go
ahead.
So
that's
why
you
know
you.
M
D
M
D
Would
you
say
to
this
repair
group
that
now
is
suggesting
to
end
the
discussions
to
move
forward
with
the
rejection
and
to
risk
the
hundred
and
thirty
six
units
brought
back
by
the
entire
municipal
board
on
that
site?
What
would
you
say
to
that?
Those
seventy
five
people
that
seem
to
be
saying:
that's
what
they're
gonna
gonna
take
a
chance
on.
M
Because
you
know
I
think
these
people
do
know
even
everybody
what's
available
on
they
used
to
talk.
They
just
talk
politics.
My
wish
making
give
to
someone
these
people,
because
if
there
was
a
one
guy
behind
were
on
the
west
side
there,
what
are
they
built?
They're
gonna
build
this
place.
His
name
is
Natali.
He
did
to
the
pleasure
at
my
home
and
my
new
home,
so
I
talked
with
the
guy
I
said
no
doubt
why
you
know
come
to
the
meeting.
M
Oh
no
I
don't
have
to
come
to
the
meeting
I
see,
but
you
got
a
house
right
behind
that.
On
the
west
side,
I
mean
you
got
a
beautiful
house.
Oh
you
say
no
we're
about
for
me
because
the
Builder
every
politician
are
gonna
loosen
my
home.
They
have
to
give
him
me.
The
money
I
said
well,
I
think
you're
no
wrong
track.
You
have
to
talk,
you
know
just
to
see,
or
with
the
lawyer
he
told
me
if
you
lose
$100,000
the
bill
to
have
to
pay.
D
M
O
M
E
D
P
D
P
D
E
D
The
beginning
of
the
process,
it
was
136
units.
The
community
went
a
little
crazy,
yes,
I
didn't
support
it,
obviously,
and
just
just
for
the
sake
of
because
you
know
one
of
the
deputies
made
some
concern
about
the
Advisory
Committee,
so
the
advisory
committee
was
struck.
Mm-Hmm
did
you
feel
that
that
was
a
good
process
at
the
planning
department,
I.
D
E
D
D
E
D
D
R
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
I
am
a
resident,
a
property
that,
where
I
reside,
backs
on
to
this
development
site
on
the
north
side
and
it's
in
the
semi-detached
area
of
the
community.
So
I
am
here
today
because,
although
I
did
for
this
development
attend
all
of
the
meetings
that
both
counts
thermally,
he
called
and
offered,
and
later
on
when
it
seemed
like
some
community
members
wanted
to
form
a
Residents
Association
I
tried
to
attend
all
of
those
as
well.
R
The
association
was
formed
after
when
some
of
the
meetings
had
taken
place
about
this
development
and
they
at
one
of
the
meetings
they
needed.
A
secretary
I,
take
very
good
notes.
I
didn't
have
a
problem
with
that.
I
believe
that
you
know
the
community
had
been
lacking
for
many
years.
Residents,
association
and
I
have
heard
from
just
other
friends
and
colleagues
that
live
in
different
areas
that
they
can
have
an
impact
more
of
a
say
as
they
say.
So.
That
is
why
I
decided
to
take
that
job.
R
So
I
initially
got
involved
in
attending
all
the
meetings,
because
my
family
would
be
directly
impacted
by
this
development.
The
very
first
meeting
that
we
did
have,
by
called
by
our
councilor,
had
a
big
turnout,
I
think,
partly
due
to
the
fliers
that
went
out
from
the
city,
but
also
because
some
residents
got
involved
and
made
sure
that
they
made
more
community
members.
Aware
and
I
know
that
originally
there
was
a
very
big
strong
feeling
with
most
of
the
community
for
similar
type
of
housing
that
exists
there
in
that
area.
R
Right
now,
which
is
singles
or
semies
the
message
from
quite
early
on,
or
at
least
many
of
our
interpretations
of
the
message
was
that
that
would
be
too
much
to
ask
for,
and
you
know,
we'd
have
to
settle
for
some
kind
of
a
townhouse
development,
and
so
of
course,
when
myself,
my
family
might
direct
neighbors.
Other
people
heard
this.
R
We
wanted
to
be
more
involved
and
make
sure
that
we
worked
with
whoever
we
needed
to
work
with
to
make
it
in
keeping
with
what's
best
for
the
community
and
not
totally
dressed,
not
drastically
different
from
what
exists
there
today.
My
main
concern
after
having
seen
the
refusal
report
is
that,
although
the
Builder
owner
did
make
several
revisions
in
order
to
try
to
create
a
townhouse
development
that
would
be
better
suited
for
the
area,
my
family
and
I
were
quite.
R
R
There
are
rules
in
place
to
make
sure
that
community
is,
is
what's
protected,
I
guess
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
the
right
word,
but
it's
in
the
best
interest
of
community,
so
I
don't
feel
that
I
know
I
my
family
and
many
people
that
I've
talked
to
aren't
necessarily
opposed
to
a
luxury,
townhouse
development.
But
we
would
like
to
see
you
know
you
know
whatever.
However,
many
changes
take
place
so
that
the
city
officials
that
do
this
for
a
living
and
I
believe
do
a
good
job
can
approve
it
and
not
refuse
it.
R
As
for,
as
for,
in
terms
of
you
know,
votes
the
last
full
community
meeting
that
we
had
in
terms
of
people
finding
out
about
this
last
provision
with
the
60
townhouses
I
believe
it
was
a
very
hot
summer
evening.
We
had
it
at
a
location
that
did
not
have
air-conditioning
I
know
that
not
nearly
as
many
people
showed
up
as
to
the
original
full
community
meeting
at
the
library
that
when
the
process
began,
many
people
did
leave
part
way
through.
R
L
R
A
D
A
D
You
for,
for
all
of
the
work
that
you've
you've
you've
done
in
the
community
with
the
advisory
committee
and
even
with
the
the
ratepayer
group
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
that,
but
but
I
just
want
you
to
this
is
this
is
one
of
my
concerns?
I'm
gonna,
ask
you
through
a
question.
Okay,
we
went
to
this
big
dialogue.
The
process
lasted
a
year
and
a
half.
Would
you
agree
that
that
that
it
ended
up
being
a
lot
better
than
the
original
hundred
and
thirty
six
units
proposed
I
do.
R
D
D
R
R
D
D
D
R
D
And
and
if
they
get
their
way,
we're
gonna
go
back
again,
probably
to
the
OMB
at
this.
At
this
point
and
you
as
one
of
the
neighbors,
could
end
up
with
a
ruling
of
the
OMB
that
could
have
a
lot
more
stacked
townhouses
than
currently
at
the
60.
As
a
neighbor,
you
happy
taking
that
chance
right
now.
I.
R
Know
that
the
application
had
had
been
improved
remembered
so
that
it
obviously
was
significantly
better
than
what
was
originally
presented
to
the
community.
But
again
my
hope
is
that
they
are
able
to
amend
it
further,
because
if
it
does
comply
with
the
certain
issues
that
the
planners
are
having
I
think
everybody
would
be
in
support
of
it.
Not.
R
D
R
D
R
A
L
L
Name
is
jeanna
novia
I'm
on
the
Advisory,
Committee
and
I
was
part
of
the
process
that
lasted
over
a
year
and
a
half,
and
you
know
every
meeting
we
had
with
the
bill
builder.
We
took
all
that
information
to
meetings
with
the
general
public
and
we
had
we
had
on
average.
Two
to
three
hundred
people
at
these
meetings
with
me
is
part
of
the
Advisory
Committee.
We
were
up
at
the
front
of
the
room
we
were
pointed
at.
You
know.
People
were
asking
us
these
hard
questions
and
they
made
good
good
sense.
L
We
started
at
136,
we
brought
it
down
to
sixty
and
by
the
end
of
it.
In
my
opinion,
the
committee
seemed
quite
content
with
what
the
Builder
had
proposed
to
us.
Why
there
is
in
bulldozers
on
that
site
right
now,
leveling
it
and
building
I
have
no
idea.
I
read
the
paper
this
morning,
I
see
a
site
in
the
City.
Museum
flights
has
been
cancelled
by
the
Builder.
L
People
have
lost
all
their
dreams
in
hopes
I'm,
not
here,
supporting
the
people
that
bought
properties
but
I'm,
encouraging
the
city
to
give
this
this
builder
the
approval,
because,
as
part
of
the
advisory
committee,
we
did
it
very
democratically.
We
brought
all
this
information
to
the
community,
not
just
a
fraction
of
the
community.
I'm,
not
part
of
the
rate
payers.
Association
I
respect
their
their
opinions,
but
the
general
population
of
the
community
has
all
agreed
on
60
townhouses,
counselors
I
asked
you
please:
can
we
move
forward
with.
E
L
I
have
absolutely
but
I've
also
considered
what
may
be
a
result
if,
if
we
don't
move
forward
with
what
we've
got
in
front
of
us
now
and
I
would
rather
have
some
thing
there
that
is
better
suited
for
the
community
as
opposed
to
no
word
of
a
lie.
Gentlemen.
Last
night,
on
my
way,
home
I
worked
till
11:00
at
night
when
I
was
driving
along
Islington,
there
was
a
forensics
truck
at
the
end
of
the
street.
There's
a
small
townhouse
complex
across
the
street
already,
and
they
were
they
were
following
a
body
on
the
ground.
L
Now
a
stacked
condo
unit,
in
my
opinion,
might
only
encourage
this
kind
of
rental
units
and
just
bring
more
of
this
to
the
community.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
better
the
community
we're
not
trying
to
go
backwards,
but
it
seems
like
we're
going
backwards
here.
We
need
to
move
forward.
That's
all
I'm
saying
I
went
through
all
these
meetings.
I
devoted
a
lot
I've
volunteered
a
lot
of
my
time.
L
D
Know,
thank
you
very
much
for
being
a
part
of
all
of
it
as
well.
I
appreciate
it
as
I
appreciate
all
the
people
that
have
taken
their
time
out
to
do
it
at
one
point
of
this
that
didn't
come
out
yet
and
I'm
doing
it
through
questions,
because
I
only
have
five
minutes
to
speak
later,
but
it
wasn't
just
this
site.
We
were
concerned
about
during
the
deliberations
when
we
spoke
with
ourselves.
D
L
We
did
we
covered
all
the
issues
regarding
Islington
Avenue
and
the
development,
and
you
know
we
thought
I
thought
the
Builder
was
very
accommodating.
You
know
making
the
accommodations
he
did
and
what
he
wanted
to
do
and
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
don't
want
to
see
more
of
what
we
have
there.
I
want
to
try
and
get
rid
of
what
you
know
is
creating
all
that
havoc
in
the
area
and
start
you
know
bringing
you
know
better
people
into
the
area
so.
D
L
D
L
We
discussed
all
these
issues
and
you
know
where
we
are
now
I
thought
we
were
in
stone,
I
thought
we
were
moving
forward
with
this.
That's
why
I'm
surprised
you
know
that
we're
still
you
bouncing
this
back
and
forth
the
general
the
last
meeting
we
had.
There
was
300
people
there
plus,
and
we
all
agreed
to
move
forward
with
what
you
know
what
the
builder
had
proposed
was.
L
L
Am
they
came
up?
They
they?
They
showed
us
information
on
the
impact
that
the
the
site
would
have
and
I
was.
You
know:
I
had
a
little
concerns,
maybe
with
the
width
of
the
street
at
the
at
Muir
in
Islington,
but
when
I
look
at
it
I'm
sure
they
could
accommodate
a
left
lane
there
now
there's
you
know
for
me:
it's
it's
not
an
issue.
Okay,.
D
L
A
D
D
J
J
J
D
J
D
That,
if
that
would
have
continued,
we
would
not
have
reached
the
deal
if
we
didn't
pursue
the
two
parking
spots,
for
instance
in
front
of
each
unit,
the
larger
units,
the
smaller
roads,
the
garbage
pickup.
All
of
the
things
that
play
a
part-
and
all
of
this
would
not
have
been
achieved-
that
it
would
have
gone
to
the
OMB
sooner
I.
J
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
I
do
know
that
there
was
a
balance
between
that
with
the
proponents
calling
that
extra
parking
space,
which
we
don't
identify
as
a
parking
space,
the
the
on-site
parking
spaces
in
the
garage
right,
the
driveway
leading
to
it,
doesn't
count.
It
is
there's
enough
room
for
another
car.
There
is
there.
Is
it
for
convenience
parking,
but
the
trade-off.
The
balance
that
was
trying
to
be
reached
was
that
parking
space
versus
a
sidewalk
green
space
and
and
some
of
the
the
that
we
would
look
for
in
dips
and.
D
J
D
J
D
J
D
I
I
know
you're
thinking
like
a
planner,
but
realistically
I
get
I
get
I'd
feel
you
know,
I
love,
you
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
challenge
you
so
so
so
dips
is
something
that's
been
overturned
that
policy
for
for,
for
some
applications
continually
over
the
city,
Toronto
right
council
has
said
well
planners
have
had
issues
on
dips.
Council
is
said.
Well
in
this
particular
case,
it's
a
little
different.
We
would
change
our
position
on
depths
for
this
particular
application.
That's
done.
That's
been
done
before
I'm
like.
D
D
D
D
Know
the
answer
to
the
question,
but
I
need
to
ask
it
because
people
are
watching
and
are
you
well
so
there's
community
people
at
home
that
couldn't
come
today,
they're
watching
the
proceedings
so
through
their
livestream
or
the
way
they
do
it?
If,
if
this
is
appeal
to
the
entire
Municipal
Board,
does
the
owner
of
this
site
have
the
right
to
bring
back
any
of
its
previous
applications
to
to
council?
Well.
A
E
Have
revised
it
and
said
this
is
my
new
application,
then
they
can't.
The
hearings
are
set
up.
They
can't
go
back
and
say
I'm
going
back
to
what
I
was
two
years
ago,
but
if
they
have,
if
they've
put
this
forward
as
a
settlement
and
the
resolution,
but
they
still
have
their
original
application
on
file,
then
certainly
they
could
go
back
to
their
original
application.
D
A
C
C
C
J
For
a
hundred
and
three
through
a
hundred
for
a
hundred
and
thirty-six
stack
townhouse
units
plus
the
visitor
requirements,
the
only
way
to
accommodate
that
many
parking
spaces
on
slightly
over
two
acres
is
to
go
below
grade.
Here.
You
have
great
related
townhouses,
each
with
its
own,
integral
garage,
understood.
C
J
C
F
F
F
No
not
physically
possible
in
this
place,
okay,
so
the
the
opening
line
of
the
comments
is
kind
of
interesting.
It
says
the
development
proposal
has
been
significantly
amended
from
the
initial
submission
made
in
December
2015
as
a
result
of
staff
concerns
and
significant
community
consultation
and
involvement.
So
what
staff
concerns
were
specifically
addressed
by
the
applicant?
The
time.
J
J
I
think
the
threshold
one,
the
the
the
the
biggest
one
that
we
had
was
the
typology
aside
from
the
stack
townhouses
that
were
recently
developed
in
the
mixed
use
areas
where
they're
permitted.
There
was
no
other
form
of
that
development
in
the
neighborhood
around
townhouses.
We've
done
a
review
of
development
along
Islington
from
Steele's
to
to
Finch
it's
in
the
staff
report.
There
are
current
existing
examples
of
great
related
townhouses
in
the
neighborhood
on
the
periphery
of
the
neighborhoods.
J
F
F
Terms
of
some
of
the
technical
objections
on
page
12,
the
report
says
the
proposed
front
yard.
Setbacks
are
two
metres
four
point:
six
five
and
six
point:
two
meters,
the
adjacent
property,
amira
Avenue,
has
a
setback
of
10
meters,
but
isn't
it
I
mean
in
a
lot
of
townhouse
developments
if
you're
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
in
certain
parts
of
you
know
even
suburbia
setbacks?
Aren't
that
substantial?
F
F
J
Close,
the
idea
would
be
to
transition
the
first
block
of
townhouses
fronting
on
to
mirror
so
that
you
create
a
gradual
transition,
because
the
first,
the
first
welling
in
is
a
detached
dwelling
with
the
garage
and
driveway.
So
you're,
probably
right,
10
meters
is,
is
more
than
we
would
expect
today,
but
they
still
wouldn't
require
a
front
yard
setback
to
have
a
parking
space
in
front
of
the
garage.
The
next
block
over
is
the
one
that
backs
on
to
the
detached
house
and
flanks
on
to
mirror.
J
F
J
The
the
guidelines
that
were
noted
in
that
table
identified
little
matters
and
some
significant
matters,
but
they're
the
tests
that
we
use
to
implement
the
Official
Plan
goals
and
objectives
of
that
compatibility
in
transition.
So
what
the
counselor
was
saying
earlier
about
the
three
significant
matters:
the
transition
for
that
block
fronting
on
mirrors,
one,
the
transition
in
height
for
the
two
blocks,
backing
on
to
the
neighborhoods
is
two
and
and
then
some
of
the
other
matters,
including
typology,
fronting
on
to
on
to
Mir.
For
that
one
block
as
well
in.
F
J
A
A
Well,
we
have
well,
we
have
speakers
and
then
we
have
more
questions
and
then
we
have
speakers
so
that
could
take
another
half
an
hour
and
then
there's
another
round.
That's
just
this
time!
So
all
right!
So
then,
then,
why
don't
we
do
that?
Thank
you
very
much.
What
we're
gonna
do?
It's
12:30,
we'll
break
for
lunch,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
resume
at
1:30
and
we'll
see
everybody
back
here.
Thank
you
very
much.