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Executive Committee, meeting 35, June 19, 2018 - Part 2 of 2
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F
E
That's
I
think
is
a
very
prudent
thing
to
do.
Are
there
any
questions
of
the
mover
or
any
remarks
to
be
made
anything
else
all
right?
Well,
then,
we
have
the
amendment
proposed
by
councillor.
Thompson
I'll
call
the
question
on
that
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
and
then
on
the
item
as
amended
item
35
point
11,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
other
quick
releases.
I,
don't
know
if
people
want
it
I
had.
Let
me
seize
find
my
little
piece
of
paper
here
there.
It
is
I
had
on
thirty
five
point,
two
six.
E
As
you
know,
on
dealing
with
the
surplus,
it
is
basically
allocated
pursuant
to
us
an
existing
city
policy
and
staff
recommend
pursuant
to
that
policy
and
the
motion
that
I
had
and
if
it's
got
to
take
a
long
time,
I'll
deal
with
it
in
order,
but
otherwise
I
had
this
motion
that
was
previously
circulated
to
which
I
have
here
somewhere
that
dealt
with
authorizing
here.
It
is
here
it
has
advanced
circulation
on
it.
E
E
F
Oh
sure,
seeing
as
the
issue
of
vision,
zero
was
in
front
of
us
meritorious
funny,
because
I
think
in
Toronto,
most
of
our
streets
are
two
ways,
and
so
is
Road
Safety
finder.
So
when
it
comes
to
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
and
I'm
very
sorry
to
see
any
type
of
tragedy
happen
in
the
city,
in
particular,
when
someone
may
be
struck
or
killed
or
injured
in
an
accident.
It
is
a
two-way
street
if
you
want
to
travel
by
bicycle.
F
There
is
an
issue
out
there
with
people
not
acting
properly
on
our
streets,
whether
they're
crossing,
whether
they're
driving,
whether
they're
riding
and
until
we
all
get
a
better
handle
on
that.
It's
unfortunate,
but
we're
gonna
continue
to
see
accidents
happen
out
there
and
tragedies
happen.
So
it
is
a
two-way
street
and
money
from
the
city
on
a
strategy
that
we
have
to
try
and
help
won't
help
unless
the
people
that
are
out
on
the
streets
help
themselves,
stop
crossing
mid-block
and
dangerous
locations
and
dodging
traffic
running
across
the
road.
F
F
D
I,
just
you
know,
I
wasn't
going
to,
but
after
that
comment,
I'm
just
gonna
say
that,
yes,
everyone
should
pay
more
attention.
People
who
walk
in
people
who
bike
and
people
who
take
transit
and
also
people
who
drive
need
to
pay
more
attention
and
and
be
mindful
that
they
are
behind
one
time,
metal
box
that
is
more
powerful
than
handlebars
or
your
feet.
So
I
just
I,
don't
want
to
get
into.
He
said
she
said
I'm
finger-pointing.
We
all
need
to
be
more
mindful
and
all
share
the
road
appropriate.
That's
what.
G
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor
for
this
increased
investment
in
this
important
program,
and
this
will
allow
us
to
yet
again
accelerate
this,
which
we've
done
multiple
times
I
mean
we
did
it
in
2016
before
the
program
even
started.
The
five-year
plan
was
to
commence
in
2017,
so
we
were
able
to
accelerate
it
in
2016.
We
accelerated
it
in
2017,
thanks
to
council,
supporting
that
and
we've
accelerated
it
again
and
we're
accelerating
our
community
safety
zones,
as
per
our
last
Public
Works
meeting.
G
So
this
increased
investment
is
very
important
and
it
does
allow
us
to
fast
track
and
streamline
the
work
and
accelerate
the
the
initiatives
and
the
countermeasures.
I
would
also
just
quickly
say
that
what
still
bothers
me
is
we're
not
actually
fully
reflecting
the
amount
of
money
we're
spending
on
this,
because
it's
it's
way
above
actually
a
hundred
million,
because
we're
not
as
New
York
and
other
major
cities
across
the
world
are
doing.
G
Is
there
they're,
actually
also
tabulating
or
calculating
the
full
amount
with
their
cycling
network,
their
road
repairs
that
have
a
road
safety
lens
and
so
we're?
This
is
actually
pure
allocated
money
to
just
vision.
Zero
staffing
and
resources,
whereas
other
cities
are
really
reflecting
a
much
they
look
like
they
have
a
bigger
number,
a
bigger
allocation
because
they're
actually
doing
it
in
a
broader,
broader
way.
So
I
hope
at
some
point.
Mr.
G
mayor,
that
transportation
will
actually
give
us
that
number
they
did
a
couple
years
ago,
but
I'd
like
to
see
it
updated
and
all
the
investments
throughout
transportation
and
possibly
other
divisions
that
are
being
dedicated
to
this
initiative,
so
that
we
have
that
comprehensive
number
before
us
and
and
the
residents
of
the
city
see
what
how
committed
we
are
to
this
initiative
and
rolling
it
out
as
effectively
and
efficiently
as
possible.
But
thank
you
for
this
assistance
and.
H
Briefly,
I
will
agree
to
the
to
the
extent
to
councilor
shiners
comments.
I
would
say
that
money
is
not
going
to
solve
this
problem
alone,
singularly
and
I
I
think
what
I
took
from
councillors
shining
would
I
agree.
Yeah
well,
I
100%
agree
with
our
two
ideas:
one
is
a
shared
responsibility
from
all
road
users.
I
think
that's
that's
what
he
was
talking
about
and
I
think
the
other
piece
is
personal
responsibility.
H
So
when
you
enter
the
street,
we
all
have
personal
responsibility
to
conduct
ourselves
in
a
safe
way
and
to
be
aware
of
our
surroundings
and
I.
Think
there's
a
certain
level
of
understanding,
a
certain
level
of
frustration
when
it's
felt
that
certain
rows
road
users
don't
have
that
same
responsibility.
Notwithstanding
that
they're
there,
a
different
type
of
user-
and
the
second
thing
I
will
say-
is
you
know
within
this
context?
I?
Don't
think
street
festivals
are
gonna
solve
this
problem
and
I?
H
F
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
I
agree
with
the
comments
have
been
made
so
far.
I
just
wanted
to
lend
my
voice
of
this,
but
particularly
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I
think,
an
area
that
we
seem
to
be
failing
with
respect
to
communications
communication.
Education,
if
you
will
the
PSAs,
for
example,
where
we
get
everyone
thinking
and
being
attuned
and
aware.
There
are
a
lot
of
shared
responsibilities
and
I
guess
blame
can
be
tossed
around
and
so
on.
But
I
guess.
F
The
point
is
that
at
lunchtime,
I
received
a
telephone
call
from
a
resident
in
my
ward
she's,
a
senior
she
crossed
over
to
Highland
Farms
to
walk
over
back
to
Wai
Valley,
and
she
was
talking
about
a
cyclists
and
a
car.
The
occurrence
that
almost
occurred
and
both
seemed
to
not
be
paying
attention
and
she
was
alarmed.
F
Obviously
it
seemed
it
had
known
to
me
about
the
issues
that
she's
hearing
the
media,
people
being
killed,
people
being
injured
and
so
on,
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
fact
that
not
enough
is
being
done
as
it
relates
to
just
simply
public
announcement,
helping
people
to
be
aware-
and
so
has
been
stated-
that
it's
about
shared
responsibility.
It
is
actually
because
you
know
whether
or
not
it's
the
fault
of
whoever
it's
it's
a
it's
an
issue
where
all
of
us
are
concerned.
F
When
a
fatality
and/or
an
occurrence,
occur
and
I,
don't
call
them
accidents
anymore,
because
they
can
be
prevented
in
in
a
large
way,
but
it
makes
it
insurance
and
requires
us
all
to
be
paying
attention.
Councillor
sharon
talked
about
his
base
based
reading
experience.
I
had
a
base
through
the
experience
last
week.
F
Well,
it
just
basically
almost
left
my
heart
leaving
my
body
because
personally
writing
a
bike
not
doing
it
responsibly,
just
basically
darting
out
in
the
middle
of
my
vehicle,
and
I
was
actually
in
the
middle
lane
and
they
were
initially
in
the
far
right-hand
lane,
but
they
want
to
get
through
the
traffic
and
then
they
rode
down
the
center
yellow
line
going
north
on
Bay
Street
towards
Richmond.
All
the
vehicles
are
coming
now:
that's
not
a
bike
lane.
F
You
know
I
hear
when
when
when
people
say
to
me,
you
know
this
person,
I
knew
him
and
he
was
riding
his
bike
and
he
got
killed
a
gentleman
recently.
I,
don't
know
the
name,
but
someone
said
I
knew
him.
There's
a
great
guy
and
all
of
a
sudden.
We've
now
lost
him
and
it's
a
sad
day
for
all
of
us
quite
frank.
So
we
need
to
do
more.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
You
councillor
Thompson,
it
was
to
be
a
quick
release,
but
I'm
very
glad.
We
had
the
comments
we
did
and
I'll
just
conclude
and
I
know:
I
introduced
the
motion,
but
I.
You
know
this
is
a
place
where
we
have
a
platform
to
say
something
that
is
really
important
to
say,
and
it's
a
slight
variation
on
what
some
of
the
different
counselors
said.
There
was
and
I
said
this
at
a
press
conference
in
today,
but
I
think
it
bears
repeating
over
and
over
again.
E
It's
almost
a
crisis
that
people
are
still
doing
it,
even
though
the
law
is
very
clear
and
it's
so
negligent
and
it's
so
damaging
potentially.
But
there
are
other
considerations
as
well
than
I
mentioned
here
and
I
just
would
hope
that
people
could
just
focus
if
they
we
can
do
all
these
improvements,
as
has
been
said,
and
we
will-
and
we
will
invest
this
extra
money
and
I.
Thank
you
for
what
looks
like
your
anticipated
support.
E
But
if
people
don't
decide,
they're
gonna
return
to
a
day
when
they
care
for
each
other
and
look
out
for
each
other
and
don't
get
into
this.
Who
has
what
right
against
who?
But
they
do
sensible
things
that
do
respect
rights
and
rules,
but
also
just
respect,
sensibility
and
sensitivity
to
each
other.
Then
it
will
be
very
hard
for
us
to
make
much
progress,
notwithstanding
the
efforts
of
councillor,
Robinson
and
and
the
staff
of
our
city.
E
So
let's
take
today
with
the
investment
that
it's
going
to
be
proved
I,
think
and
then
ultimately
on
to
Council
as
an
invitation
for
people
to
change
their
own
behavior,
and
that
applies
to
everybody
everybody.
But
it's
especially
important
for
drivers
because
they
are
in
trucks
and
cars.
You
know
better
protected
than
others,
but
it's
everybody
without
exception.
So
if
we're
ready
to
call
the
question
on
what
was
the
short
a
quicker
release,
but
nonetheless
we
caught
it
got
the
item.
I
think
done.
E
D
E
A
E
Councillor
Ainsley,
as
Reduce,
is
releasing
35
0.21,
which
is
open
data
review
process
for
commercially
confidentially
in
proprietary
interests.
Are
there
any
questions
of
staff
any
any
one
wishing
to
speak?
Otherwise,
I
can
call
the
question
to
adopt
the
recommendation
to
receive
the
report.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
to
Kerry.
E
Thank
you
and
then
I'm
not
trying
to
hold
up
poor
the
DEP
unit
on
35.6,
but
just
I
was
just
making
sure
we
clean
off
I
think
we've
cleaned
off
everything
that
we
can
that
by
way
of
quick
items,
so
then
it
would
bring
us
to
thirty
five
point:
six,
which
is
the
demonstration.
The
item
on
status,
update
administrative
inquire
on
hate,
sponsored
rallies
and
we
had
a
deputation
there.
Mr.
Boston
mr.
Moskin.
Still
here
there
is
mr.
Boston
please
come
forward
and
thank
you
for
your
patience.
J
Mira,
Tori,
and
and
thank
you
as
well
for
your
strong
words
of
support
to
both
Binet
breath
and
the
Jewish
community
speaking
out
against
hate
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
It
really
is
greatly
appreciated
and
I'd,
also
like
to
thank
councillor
James
Pasternak,
who
has
been
a
long-standing
leader
in
advocacy
against
this
particular
issue:
hate
rallies
in
the
city
of
Toronto
and
in
particular
alkyds
day.
I
am
the
CEO
of
B'nai
B'rith
Canada.
Since
a
since
1875,
we
have
represented
the
grassroots
Jewish
community
in
Canada,
we
have
been
a
leader
in
combating
anti-semitism.
J
For
the
past
36
years,
we
have
been
compiling
our
own
report
about
anti-semitism
in
Canada
and
we
have
been
at
the
forefront
against
Al
Koontz
day
as
well.
For
many
years.
This
item
is
dealing
with
hate
sponsored
rallies
such
as
alkyds
day.
The
original
motion,
I
just
want
to
note
just
for
the
record,
is
dealing
with
all
hate
rallies
in
the
City
of
Toronto
oakwoods
Day
is
inspired
by
terror
by
the
terrorist
regime,
a
reign
of
Iran.
It
was
established
by
the
Ayatollah
Khomeini
in
1979
and
make
no
mistake.
This
is
a
hate
rally.
J
In
previous
years.
They
brought
in
a
Holocaust
denier
as
a
speaker
of
this
rally
just
to
further
indicate
the
anti-semitic
nature
of
this
event,
not
that
there's
not
enough
Holocaust
deniers,
unfortunately
in
Canada,
but
one
was
brought
in
from
the
United
States
to
speak.
There
was
music
at
last
year's
event
playing
from
the
speakers
by
the
organizers.
It
was
referring
to
stabbings
cutting
off
of
heads
blowing
up
of
busses
ie
murder
of
Jews.
J
J
We
did
file
been
a
breath,
did
file
a
criminal
complaint
with
police
based
on
what
we
saw
with
video
evidence.
This
year
there
were
children
again
attending
this
year's
event
and
witnessing
all
of
this,
which
is
highly
inappropriate,
I
would
suggest,
but
it
happens
again
year
after
year
and
city
resources
are
used,
permits
could
be
potentially
applied,
for
our
understanding
is
that
they
were
not,
unlike
many
other,
perhaps
unsanctioned,
rallies
that
are
taking
place
on
say
of
Toronto.
J
Bringing
people
in
I
would
estimate
between
80
to
90
percent,
who
are
not
residents
of
Toronto
coming
from
other
municipalities
surrounding
the
city,
so
there's
a
tremendous
use
of
resources
and
at
the
same
time,
the
Jewish
community
by
Toronto
Police
stats
are
the
most
targeted
religious
group
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
Once
again-
and
this
has
been
the
case
for
many
years-
our
own
audit
of
anti-semitic
incidents
has
indicated
a
long-standing
trend
and
increase
in
anti-semitism
all
the
way
across
Canada.
J
So
this
is
very
disturbing
and
what
been
a
birth
fines,
perhaps
even
just
as
disturbing
I
should
say,
is
with
respect
to
the
status
update
city
staff
were
asked
to
consult
with
a
wide
range
of
stakeholders
and
to
report
back
for
this
year.
In
this
report
it
said
that
that
was
simply
not
possible
because
the
large
number
of
stakeholders
and
complexities
of
the
issues
they
then
by
the
end
of
the
report
state
that,
on
the
same
timeline
that
they
were
originally
asked
to
provide
this
report
for
this
year.
J
They
can
meet
it
for
next
year
asking
for
q2
of
the
next
council.
So
it
sounds
to
me
and
also
it
says
very
clearly:
it's
listed,
who
they're
supposed
to
be
meeting
with
stakeholder
groups
like
the
Jewish
community
in
Toronto,
which
were
not,
however,
steady
staff
had
time
yesterday
to
write
me
a
two-page
letter,
but
not
enough
time
to
pick
up
the
telephone
in
an
entire
year
an
entire
year.
J
According
to
this
own
timeline,
it
would
be
three
years
last
year's
alkyds
date.
This
year's
out,
whose
day
next
year's
alkyds
day,
without
even
report
talking
about
the
seriousness
of
this
nature,
and
how
do
we
deal
with
it
so
respectfully
it
doesn't
appear
that
anything
was
done,
and
this
is
highly
highly
disappointing,
not
just
by
the
Jewish
community,
extry
Jewish
community
here
but
I'm
sure
by
anybody
who
cares
about
the
use
and
misuse
of
fiscal
resources
in
the
City
of
Toronto
and
cares
about
hate.
J
J
Sure
so
I'll
hop
up
very
quickly,
so
it
was
possible.
We
believed
it
was
possible,
but
for
whatever
reason,
city
staff
not
chose
not
to
act.
In
conclusion,
those
who
play
by
the
rules,
those
who
do
follow
port
city
permits
can
spend
10,
sometimes
hundred
thousands
of
dollars,
and
these
people
should
not
be
put
at
a
disadvantage
by
those
who
are
against
not
falling
by
the
rules.
We
need
deterrence,
we
need
mechanisms
to
prevent
hate
in
the
city.
We
have
anti
hate
policies.
J
We
need
to
ensure
that
those
are
followed
by
everyone
and
you
know-
and
although
Jews
may
be
targeted
in
these
events,
you
know
we
want
to
ensure
that
nobody
gets
targeted,
blacks,
shouldn't,
be
targeted,
LGBTQ
community
shouldn't
be
targeted,
nobody
should
be
targeted,
but
it's
happening
over
and
over
again
and
we
need
to
put
a
stop
to
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
C
You
mr.
mayor
and
thank
you
Michael
for
coming
down
and
thank
you
for
your
good
work
at
at
B'nai
B'rith.
It's.
It
seems
to
me
that
over
the
years
this
started
out
at
Queen's
Park
and
when
they
were
finally
educated
on
how
for
the
offense
of
this
this
event,
is
they
banned
them
from
Queens
Park?
But
the
fact
that
they're
coming
from
other
municipalities
are
they?
Are
they
not
holding
it
in
these
other
municipalities
because
they
are
banned
from
there
or
there
they're
shamed
into
leaving?
C
J
Thank
you,
councillor,
Pasternak,
I'm,
sure,
I.
Think
you'd
have
to
ask
the
other
municipalities
about
that.
In
our
own
discussions
with
other
municipalities,
we
know
that
certain
groups
have
been
told
they
are
not
welcome
on
their
own
municipal
properties
because
of
repeated
violations
of
various
nature's,
including
expressions
of
hate,
so
that
that
that
is
a
possibility,
but
certainly
it
points
to
the
fact
that
again,
these
are
not
residents
of
the
city,
the
City
of
Toronto.
This
is
this
is
the
capital
of
our
province.
J
C
You
mentioned
in
passing
that
that
they
don't
pay
any
fees.
They
obviously
don't
sign
our
and
had
to
go
to
discrimination
policy
disclaimer
because
they
certainly
wouldn't
qualify
for
any
space
and
while
many
other
legitimate
peaceful
groups
pay
enormous
fees,
whether
whether
it
be
road
closure
fees,
TTC,
REE,
routing
fees,
solid
waste
fees
and
so
forth
in
the
tens
of
thousands,
perhaps
hundreds
of
thousands,
this
group,
to
the
best
of
our
knowledge,
doesn't
pay
a
dime
yet
blocks
one
of
the
main
arterial
roads
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
C
J
Of
all
it's
it's
a
very
negative
group.
It's
a
negative
signal,
it's
a
negative
signal
as
well
too
many
expatriates
who
are
Iranian
in
origin
who
are
targeted
themselves
by
the
Iranian
regime
even
outside
of
Iran,
and
we
have
conversations
with
individuals
like
that
on
a
regular
basis.
So
there
are
many
groups
that
are
that
are
offended
by
this
that
are
targeted
by
this
you're
right.
Cities
are
spaces
for
celebrations
celebrations
of
all
of
us,
they're,
not
places
that
we
should
be
singling
out
identifiable
groups
for
for
hatred.
J
C
This
they
I
guess
this
has
been
translated,
but
there's
a
song
together
with
their
children,
which
has
phrases
such
as
slaughter
them
and
Etsy,
on
which
I
assume
in
this
is
an
Israeli
town
and
stabbed
them
in
law
and
hushed
aroun,
which
are
also
Israeli
towns.
And
then
it
goes
I.
Don't
want
to
repeat
some
of
the
lyrics
in
this
song.
They
they
sing
this
at
the
beginning
of
their
event,
is
that
is
that
some
kind
of
a
anthem
or
well.
J
That
that's
happened
before
and
that's
part
of
the
problem,
that's
why
we
actually
believe
this
is
a
broader
issue.
We
believe
at
B'nai
breh
that
issues
of
hate
like
this
or
actually
broader
national
security
issues,
because
we're
all
worried
about
we're
all
concerned
about
radicalization,
exposing
children
to
messaging
like
that
is
absolutely
wrong
and,
and
one
could
expect
only
leading
to
to
bad
things
as
they
grow
older.
One.
C
J
Think
that
over
time
and
we've
warned
about
this
before
we've
seen
violent
expressions
at
events
like
this
in
other
cities
in
the
past,
I
think
that's
inevitable.
If
this
is
allowed
to
continue
over
time,
I
think
the
message
that
will
be
sent
out
is
that
it's
okay
to
target
individual
communities
and
that
I
think
other
communities
will
be
targeted
after
us.
It
never
starts
or
ends
with
the
Jews.
That's
that's
the
historical
experience,
and
so
we
need
to
put
it
down.
Stop
to
this.
Thank.
E
Questions
of
the
deputy
I
just
have
a
couple:
if
I
could.
Mr.
Boston,
first
of
all,
just
on
the
I
will
tell
you
that
I'm
not
satisfied
either
with
the
content
of
this
report
and
I
will
undertake
to
you
here,
as
I
did
on
the
telephone
that,
because
you
pointed
out
to
me
and
I
didn't
know
until
you
did,
that
you
hadn't
doing
the
consulted
as
part
of
even
leading
up
to
this
report.
E
I
think
we
have
to
do
more
and
better
than
that
and
I
think
we
will
I,
think
there's
also
and
I
I'm
gonna
move
a
motion
that
has
to
do
with
measures
that
can
be
taken
to
deal
with
some
of
these
protests
that
feature
hate,
speech
and
I.
Think
council
Pasternak
has
as
well
and
we'll
have
to
make
sure.
If
we
can,
the
time
frame
is
collapsed
so
that
we
can
have
that
report
back.
E
You
know
well
in
time
to
look
at
what
effect
the
results
of
it
could
have
on
any
plans
they
have
for
next
year,
but
I
just
want
to
sort
of
find
out
what
you
you
know.
What
would
be
a
minimum
commitment?
We
could
make,
in
terms
of
consultation,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
make
the
same
mistake
twice.
Absolutely.
J
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
I
think
at
a
minimum.
You
know
we
should
try
and,
as
you
said,
close
the
timelines
to
ensure
that
this
report
comes
out
before
this
day
happens
next
year.
Our
understanding
is,
it
should
be
happening
approximately
the
first
week
of
June.
So
if
that's
the
case,
the
report
would
need
to
come
out
prior
to
that,
so
that
and
also
giving
time,
obviously
for
everybody
to
evaluate
that
report
and
and
take
any
recommendations
into
account
and.
E
My
motion
will
concern
in
addition
to
councillor
Pasternak's
the
means
the
city
has
at
its
disposal
to
address
protests
featuring
hate
and
there's
no
reason
you
can't
go
back
because
we
look
at,
for
example,
the
possible
recovery
of
costs.
It
can't
go
back
and
look
at
ones
that
took
place
in
2018
already,
but
I
assume
you
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
look
at
these
means
for
unpermitted,
because
they're
on
permanent,
as
has
been
discussed
here,
I
presume
you
think
it
would
be
helpful.
E
J
There
are
three
steep
streams,
essentially
that
can
be
dealt
with
this
rally.
The
first
is
through
policing,
if
there's
a
violation
of
the
criminal
law
and
that's
for
the
police,
but
then
within
the
city's
purview
there
is
the
opportunity
for
for
cost
recovery,
as
you
mentioned,
and
ensuring
that
city,
bylaws
and
regulations
are
followed,
as
they
should
be,
and
the
other
is.
J
E
If
we're
sitting
here
trying
to
look
at
the
issue
of
cost
recovery,
how
we,
you
know,
really
deal
with
the
most
difficult
of
questions
that
exists
in
this
domain,
we're
talking
about
which
is
you
know
who
decides
what
is
hate
speech
from
the
standpoint
of
the
city
and
actions
that
might
undertake,
for
example,
to
recover
costs?
How
do
we,
how
do
we?
How
do
we,
you
know?
How
do
we
get
advice
on
that?
Well,.
J
J
E
That's
part
of
the
consultation
we
look
forward
to
and
the
library
initiative
was
at
my
request
and
they
did
respond
by
making
some
alteration
to
their
policy,
which
was
still
allowing
broad
use
of
the
library,
but
at
the
same
time
making
sure
that
policies
okay.
Well,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
in
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr.
mayor,
so
we
received
some
correspondence,
I
guess
from
the
interim
city
manager
that
that
this
is
not
tolerated
on
on
city
property
and
that's
the
sequence
of
events
is
if
Public,
Safety
or
Foe
rally
incites
hatred
or
violence
against
a
group.
These
actions
will
not
beat
all
these
secure
city
security
staff
will
call
Toronto
Police
Service
for
assistance,
investigation,
appropriate
action,
and
then
we
receive
correspondence
from
Toronto
Police
Services
that
then
they
draft
a
report
called
a
Toronto,
Police,
Service
general
occurrence,
not
course
the
hate
crime
unit.
C
K
C
So
we
do
have
mechanisms
to
to
react
to
hateful
incidents
or,
in
some
cases,
inappropriate
behavior
on
city
property,
I
was
I.
Guess
I
was
copied
on
an
incident
recently
where
a
user
of
a
recreational
facility
made
allegedly
made
a
racial
slur
against
a
staff
member,
and
this
person
was
given
a
one-year
suspension
from
all
I
believe
recreational
facilities,
because
there
was
a
history
there
we
have
that
tool
to
ban
people
who
are
acting
in
a
confrontational
or
violent
or
racist
way
on
our
property.
K
Regard
to
the
recreation
center,
there
was
a
history.
It
wasn't
not
like
one
occurrence,
so
there
were
steps
that
we
followed
them.
We
worked
quite
closely
with
legal
and
our
Human
Rights
office
to
ensure
that
we're
taking
the
appropriate
steps
with
regard
to
this.
It's
a
sort
of
a
complicated
issue,
because
we
have
to
balance
the
rights
that
individuals
have
and
organizations
have
under
the
Canadian
Charter
of
Rights
and
Freedoms,
and
so
we
don't
issue
permits
we
don't
tolerate
hate
activity
or
violence.
We
try
and
do
everything
we
can.
K
We
do,
but
we
can't
stop
people,
my
understanding
and
with
understanding
working
with
legal
is.
We
can't
stop
people
in
advance
from
gathering,
so
we
haven't
issued
a
permit
if
they
come
and
gather
in
our
square
or
on
city
property.
We
have
to
monitor
the
event
and
if
it
concerns
with
public
safety,
are
they
exhibit
activities
that
would
spur
hate
or
violence?
Then
we
start
taking
appropriate
action.
C
So
we
touched
on
that
when
we
were
talking
to
the
deputies.
That's
many
many
groups,
there's
many
marathons,
there's
street
festivals.
They
they
take
place
across
the
city.
It's
one
of
the
great
things
of
our
city
that
we
celebrate
our
diversity
and
yet
it
comes
with
fees.
Could
road
closure
fees,
always
fees,
pay
duty
fees,
we're
working
now
with
taste
to
Manila,
where
the
fees
are
so
high,
they
feel
they
may
have
to
shut
down?
K
The
chair,
where
we
charge
the
fees,
that's
when
someone
comes
in
to
purchase,
to
ask
for
a
permit,
we
grant
the
permit
and
they
have
to
pay
those
fees
where
these,
where
our
permits
requested
and
we've
denied
the
permit,
there's
no
fees
and
where
they
just
assemble,
and
we
don't
know
in
advance
it's
it's
a
little
difficult
for
us
to
then
charge
fees.
My
office,
my
understanding,
is
you.
We
can't
do
it
on
one
particular
event:
we'd
have
to
work
with.
We
are.
K
We
have
had
discussions
with
legal,
so
there's
some
ramifications
in
terms
of
how
we
be
able
to
implement
such
a
fee,
as
I
say
like
we
did
want
to
report
back
with
the
issues
that
come
up
when
we
look
at
this,
this
particular
matter,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
bring
measures
that
council
can
actually
adopt
and
staff
can
move
forward
with
it's
a
bit
complicated.
So
we
have
to
balance
their
legislative
rights
that
they
have
to
assemble
under
the
Canadian
Charter
of
Rights
and
Freedoms.
K
With
you
know
our
ability
to
try
and
prohibit
things
that
we
haven't
permitted
that
just
they
come
just
without
a
permit
and
then,
if
there's
a
number
of
divisions
in
fall,
so
it's
a
little
bit
complicated
and
that's
why
we
need
time
and
there's
lots
of
stakeholders.
So
we
just
want
to
do
our
due
diligence
so
that
we,
when
we
come
forward
with
measures
we're
still
abiding
by
our
legislative
requirements
but
at
the
team's
same
time
we're
taking
proactive
steps
to
try
and
stop
or
prevent
these
rallies
Earths
assemblies
from
taking
place.
All.
D
K
If
someone
asks
for
a
permit
yeah,
we
do
not
issue
the
permit
right
unless
it's
it's
a
respectful
assembly,
they
comply
with
our
all
of
our
policy
policies,
including
our
anti
hate
policy
that
we
have
here
at
the
city
and
they
comply
with
all
the
legislation,
both
provincially
and
Fred
allure.
If
they
comply,
we
can
issue
a
permit,
but
these
organizations,
these
groups
do
not.
They
often
don't
ask
for
a
permit,
so
they
just
assemble
and
my
understanding
of
the
legislation
and
legal
came
argument.
The
public
has
a
right
to
assemble
I.
D
Mean
through
you,
mr.
mayor
I,
think
it's
important
to
point
out
that
we
can't
sort
of
lump
all
uses
a
city
property
together,
because
of
course
street
protest
is
a
different
animal.
It
has
a
historical
basis
as
a
means
of
expression.
Dissenting
views
typically
I
mean
some
would
say,
is
frankly
it
contradicts
it.
Do
you
expect
those
people
to
have
a
permit
or
to
pay
cost?
But
that
is
that's
the
type
of
analysis
that
has
to
be
applied
given
the
location
of
the
activity
in
question.
D
K
K
D
A
D
D
F
D
About
various
groups
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
through
you
in
such
here
I
think
that
that's
why,
from
staffs
perspective,
we
are
welcoming.
We
welcome
the
administrative
inquiry
and
the
opportunity
that
hit
the
direction
to
go
and
consult
with
constitutional
experts
and
Human
Rights
experts
and
actually
and
do
a
thorough
review
of
the
case
law
and
figure
the
figure
out.
If
there
is
more
the
city
can
be
doing,
we
I
mean
the
policy
is
the
best
that
the
city
is
what
the
city
has
currently,
but
we're
certainly
open
to
that
input.
D
G
I'll
just
be
very
quick,
Thank
You,
mr.
mayor,
so
you
know
we
saw
some
of
the
activity
on
social
media,
and
my
question
would
be
I
saw
some
banners
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
would
almost
everybody
would
find
unsettling
some
of
the
language
used
in
some
of
the
photos
that
were
on
social
media.
So
is
there
any
way?
G
First
of
all,
I
don't
think
these.
These
endeavors
of
these
initiatives
should
be
supported
in
any
way
shape
or
form
or
permitted,
but
when
that
does
happen
on
site
on
a
city
facility
out
of
City
facility,
is
there
not
some
way
to
deal
with
that?
An
immediate
way
when
you're,
seeing
this
hate
language
on
banners?
And
you
know
that
are
tied
to
trees
and
other
city
infrastructure?
G
K
D
G
D
G
Even
though
this
what
I
read
what
I
saw
in
social
media,
I,
wouldn't
even
repeat
because
it's
so
unsettling
and
disturbing-
and
so
you're
saying
that
we
have
banners
can't
be
pulled
down-
have
done
some
of
that
in
the
past,
depending
on
the
situation.
So
it's
depending
on
the
situation
and
the
content
or
could
be
content.
It
would
be
content
related.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
measures
in
place
to
to
strike.
That
type
of
you
know
immediately
strike
that
type
of
propaganda.
C
C
C
Hate
rallies
of
all
nature,
whether
they
be
white
supremacists,
rallies,
whether
they
be
anti-jewish,
whether
they
be
I,
gave
alleys
determining
what's
hate
and
and
making
sure
that
these
rallies
don't
take
place
on
city
property
and
there's
a
there's,
a
reason
why
they
were
marching
down.
University
Avenue
in
our
inner
great
city
blocking
blocking
traffic
and
singing
songs
that
are
calling
for
the
stabbing
of
people
in
other
countries
and
slaughter
and
so
forth.
C
It's
because
other
municipalities
are
not
they're
not
protesting
in
other
municipalities,
either
because
they're
forbidden
from
doing
so
or
the
repercussions
or
they
find
that
Toronto
is,
is
open
for
this
kind
of
behavior.
At
the
same
time,
after
several
years,
Queens
Park
sergeant
in
arms
finally
told
them
to
get
lost
to
get
off
their
property
and
they
weren't
going
to
participate
in
any
way
in
the
South
Lawn
at
Queen's
Park,
so
they've
they've
been
they've,
been
kicked
off.
The
Queens
Park
property
they're
not
allowed
to
congregate.
C
There
they're,
obviously
not
going
to
participate
in
their
home
municipalities
and
now
all
the
eyes
are
on
Toronto.
One
question
is:
what
kind
of
City
do
you
want
this
to
be?
Do
you
want
us
to
be
known
that
we
were
going
to
tolerate
this
kind
of
is
kind
of
hate,
this
kind
of
targeting
of
individual
groups,
and
if
we
let
this
go
on,
I
think
the
repercussions
are
going
to
be
catastrophic.
C
I
think
if
this
is
allowed
to
go
on,
then
it'll
little
mass,
the
size
into
targeted
rallies
for
other
groups
and
I
think
the
sad
commentary
is
the
red
lines
of
a
generation
ago
are
all
being
breached.
You
would
have
never
seen
this
kind
of
behavior
in
such
an
open
and
blatant
and
derogatory
fashion
a
generation
ago,
and
we've
got
to
create
recreate
those
red
lines
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen.
Now
we
can't
physically
stop
people
from
gathering,
but
there
can
be
consequences
afterwards
for
their
actions.
C
We
do
have
the
power
to
issue
suspensions
and
trespass
orders.
We
have
in
the
past
and
various
our
divisions
build
people
back
for
services
that
have
been
delivered
by
the
City
of
Toronto
in
certain
circumstances,
and
that
is
really
the
way
to
stop.
It.
Trespass
orders,
hate
charges
and
of
and
of
course,
making
sure
that
there's
a
financial
penalty
to
pay
for
running
a
hay
trail
in
our
good
city,
so
I
appreciate
your
support
on
this
motion
and
I
look
forward
to
the
final
report
from
staff.
Thank
you.
E
Thanks
councilor
Pasternak
others
to
speak.
If
not,
then
I
will
just
speak
and
I
have
a
motion
amount
of
30.
If
we
could
just
put
that
up-
and
it
really
just
follows
along
something
that
I
had
commented
on
last
week
and
also
comment.
It
follows
along
some
of
the
comments
of
councilor
Pasternak
to
add
to
this
report
the
matter
of
the
means
at
the
city's
disposal
to
address
protests
featuring
hate
speech,
the
means
at
our
disposal,
including
possible
recovery
of
costs,
because
I'm
not
myself,
familiar
with
any
example
where
we
did
bill
back.
E
But
if
there
is
a
precedent,
then
obviously
that
would
be
helpful
and
then
I
think
we
should
look
beyond
the
precedent
to
see
what
we
can
do
in
instances
where
we've
determined
that
hate
speech
has
taken
place
and
deal
with
it
accordingly
and
I.
Think
that
really
speaks
to
one
of
the
issues.
That's
complex
about
this
in
that
normally,
if
there
was
something
taking
place,
that
was
contrary
to
the
Criminal
Code,
which
you'd
have
as
a
police
officer
actually
laying
a
charge.
E
That's
just
the
way
the
system
is
set
up
and
so
I
think
it
does
require
of
us.
You
know
looking
for
other
means
to
register
our
rejection
of
this
on
and
again
there's
a
distinction.
I
think
here
between
the
use
of
City
public
spaces
like
Nathan
Phillips
Square,
because
the
analogy
was
given
of
the
Parliament
Buildings
or
the
Queen's
Park
private
buildings.
They
simply
said
what
we
would
say,
which
is
you
can't
use
the
square.
E
In
terms
of
both
the
legal
issues
and
the
practical
abilities,
the
city
would
have
to
do
anything
about
it,
then
better
we'll
know
the
answers
to
those
questions
and
can
actually
then
deal
with
them
accordingly,
but
I
think
the
bottom
line
is.
We
have
to
express
our
outright
rejection
of
this
I
will
just
say
one
other
thing:
I
tried
to
do
that
I
hope
might
be
of
a
small
help
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
really
know
what
communication
takes
place
and
what
control
they
have
over
it
either.
E
But
I
met
very
recently
with
a
group
of
Imams
from
the
GTA
and
just
said
to
them
in
response
to
a
question.
They
asked
me
about
how
I
they
could
help
to
help
build
a
better
city,
and
it
was
a
very
genuine.
They
asked
question.
I
said
what
are
the
things
I
mentioned
to
them
was
that
hopefully
they
could
first
of
all
stand
up
and
say
when
these
things
happen,
that
they
reject
in
this
kind
of
speech,
because
I
think
they
do.
E
In
fact,
I
know
they
do
as
a
rejection
of
what
they're
all
about
and
what
their
faith
is
all
about.
Those
people
do
not
speak
for
them
or
stand
for
them
in
any
way
and,
secondly,
to
you
know
even
actively
help
to
discourage
these
kinds
of
things
from
happening
and
I
think
they
receive
that
request
very
positively,
because
they
understood
that
it
was
not.
E
It
was
a
very
bad
reflection
on
their
faith
and
on
the
sort
of
honest
way
in
which
their
faith
should
be
represented
and
that
it
was
very
much
not
in
the
interest
to
try
to
build
the
kind
of
city
we're
trying
to
build
that
hate
speech.
There
is
no
place
for
it,
no
matter
who
it
applies
to,
but
in
particular
the
instance
that
I
raised
with
them
so
I
think
those
are
all
things
we
can
all
work
on
together.
E
If
there's
no
other
speakers
so
motion
the
counselor
Pasternak's
motion.
First
up
so
we
have
counselor
Pasternak's
motion
and
I'll
call
the
question
our
elbows
the
favor
posed
carried.
Then
my
motion
to
amend
the
item
motion
to
all
those
in
favor
opposed
to
carry
the
item
as
amended.
Sorry,
don't
need
it
all,
because
we're
just
receiving
and
we're
just
receiving
their
part.
Okay,
that's
good!
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
again
to
mr.
Mauston
for
your
patience
and
for
your
contributions
today.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
Sorry
I
called
mr.
Hamish
Wilson's
name
and
I-
didn't
surprisingly
he's
always
here
when
he
any
lists
to
be
here,
but
he
appears
not
to
be
here.
So,
if
that's
the
case,
I'll
just
ask
this
was
on
the
transportation
services.
2018
capital
budget
adjustments
I'll
ask
if
there
any
questions
of
staff.
Are
there
any
members
of
council
minute
members?
The
committee
wishing
to
make
remarks?
E
E
Then
we
have
next
item
35
point
40,
looking
at
it
with
incredulous.
Is
that
the
fact
that
there's
only
5
items
left,
all
of
which
have
deputations
item
35,
point
40
capacity,
improvements
on
bus
and
subway
services
and
that
had
a
deputation,
which
was
also
with
drainage
Wilson,
who
I'll
call
for
one
more
time,
Joe
Wilson,
not
here
all
right,
then
on
that
matter,
I
would
ask
if
there's
any
questions
of
staff.
E
Are
there
any
members
of
the
committee
wishing
to
make
remarks
on
this
matter?
35.42
question
all
those
in
favor
of
the
recommendation
coming
from
the
budget
committee,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
Carrie
35.4
for
ex35
point
4
for
occupational
health
and
safety
report
year
in
2017,
oh
I'm,
sorry
42.
We
have
e^x
35.42,
create
teo
procedures
bylaw
and
we
have
a
mr.
Johnny
Dib
held
by
it
was
also
held
by
Deputy
Merriman
and
Wong.
We
have
mr.
Johnny
Dib
mr.
Dave
good
afternoon.
E
L
E
L
L
About
200
rock,
with
okay
in
the
end
of
procedures
by
law.
Twenty
eight
point:
one
point
see
it
talks
about
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
meeting
might
happen
not
in
public,
and
it
talks
about
the
the
provision
you
know
when
the
board
is
considering
buying
land
and
I
was
wondering
if
that
would
extend
to
build
Toronto
and
T
DLC
or
if
it's
just
about
the
create
T
ol
board
itself
and
whether
it's
worth
spelling
that
out
and
in
the
bylaw,
because
all
that
create
geo
talks
about
is
buying
and
selling
land.
L
L
E
You
know,
unfortunately,
you
can't
ask
us
or
ask
the
staff
questions,
but
you've
asked
it
which
I'll
call
it
a
rhetorical
question
which
we
can
get
an
answer
to,
but
I'll
just
say
as
well
that
Bill
Toronto
and
the
Toronto
Portland's
corporation
have
been
in
effect
folded
inside,
and
this
is
the
first
time
this
procedural
bylaw
would
actually
be
approved.
So
it
isn't
in
place.
Yet
it's
just
it's
being
considered
here
now,
and
so
it
wouldn't
have
been
applicable
to
anything
that
took
place
in
the
past.
No.
L
L
One
point:
C
talks
about
one
of
the
obviously
for
various
reasons,
boards
have
to
not
have
their
proceedings
public
in
certain
circumstances,
and
one
of
the
circumstances
that's
talked
about
is
when
there's
discussion
about
sale
of
land
and
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
talking
about
the
sale
of
publicly
owned
land
or
whether
it's
talking
about
land
that
the
board
itself
will
use.
So,
for
example,
if
a
property
has
been
declared
surplus
is
that
already
you
know
it
doesn't
never
get
discussed
in
public?
Or
is
this
talking
about
another
specific
thing
and
what
I'm
saying
is?
E
L
Have
any
other
report
you
want
to
make
I
just
want
to
complete
my
deputation
by
saying
that
I'm
happy
that
the
create
Tio's
sort
of
governing
governance
is
appears
to
be
more
democratic
than
the
previous
bill.
Toronto
Governance
for
one
create
zero
seems
to
be
meeting
in
this
very
room
which
has
video,
recording
and
I
would
also
it's
outside
of
the
the
bylaw
per
se.
L
And
this
is
why
I'm
here
to
speak,
and
the
background
of
me
speaking,
is
because
my
community
was
a
victim
to
sort
of
the
lack
of
democracy
in
the
previous
and
the
previous
setting
of
the
board
of
Bell
Toronto.
We
felt
that
we
were
not
informed
about
the
sale
of
public
land,
etc,
etc.
So
it
would
be
nice
for
other
communities
in
the
future.
To
have
all
of
the
all
of
the
information
that
should
be
public
made
public
to
them.
E
H
I
have
similar
questions.
That's
right,
he'll
do
so.
I
spoke
with
Josie
Shirley.
He
explained
to
me
that
Bill,
Toronto
and
TPL
see
that
there
will
still
remain,
and
so
we'll
have
filter
on
O
T
plc
and
create
EO,
so
so
I'm
curious
so
on.
My
understanding
is,
is
Bill
Toronto
and
T
PLC
will
be
governed
by
the
OBC.
A
and
create
EO
will
be
governed
by
this
procedural
bylaw.
H
So
I'm
curious
to
know,
especially
with
regard
to
the
transparency
issues
that
were
raised,
I'm
curious
to
know
why
those
entities
still
exist
if
I
suspect
I
know
but
I'd
like
to
hear
and
then
the
other
piece
I'm
curious,
suppose
I
know
commercial
transactions
are
confidential.
The
nature
of
them
are
confidential,
but
I
am
curious
to
know
what
what
is
the
difference
in
terms
of
accountability?
H
Rules
in
terms
of
you
know,
does
the
Freedom
of
Information
rules
apply
to
Bill,
Toronto
and
TPL,
see
if
not
what
specific
rules
apply
and
who
administers
those
rules,
because
I
think
that
why
still
have
create
Co
there
is,
you
know,
I
think
there
might
be
suspicion
that
that
they
might
use
those
entities
to
arrange
transactions
that
might
stay
out
of,
or
do
things
that
might
stay
out
of
the
eye
of
the
public,
especially
because
different
rules
applied
in
one
organization
than
another.
So.
E
A
Chair
is
Steve
Trumper,
head
of
legal
at
create
tÃo.
So
let
me
try
and
unpack
the
councillors
question
a
little
bit
to
answer
them.
The
most
recent
question
you
asked
is
yes
both
bill
toronto
and
t
plc
are
subject
to
MPI
and
we
regularly
deal
with
an
opponent's
as
they
are
received
by
us.
As
you
know,
the
three
organizations
share
the
same
board
of
directors,
but
all
employees
now
that
were
formerly
with
build,
Toronto
and
T
plc,
are
now
employees
of
create
teo.
A
From
a
governance
perspective,
the
bylaw
in
front
of
you
is
to
determine
is
to
govern
the
procedures
for
create
teo,
and
we
do
have
separate
procedures
for
bill
toronto
and
T
plc.
As
a
practical
matter.
We
conduct
our
meetings
in
a
very
similar
fashion,
so
we
begin
the
meetings
in
a
public
session
and
then
move
in
camera,
typically
to
discuss
specific
land
transactions,
either
purchases
or
dispositions
as
permitted
by
section
190
of
the
municipal
of
Toronto
City
of
Toronto
Act,
so
I'm
confident
we
have
a
strong
governance
foundation
for
all
three
organizations.
A
F
H
H
D
H
Cuz
I
would
like
to
like
do
a
have
an
understanding,
maybe
in
a
written
form
of
you
know
in
terms
of
accountability.
You
know
just
a
chart
that
says
here
are
the
accountability
rules.
This
is
what
these
organizations
are
required
to
conform
to,
and
these
are
the
ones
that
they're
they're
not
required
to
conform
to
just
for
the
purposes
of
understanding.
You
know
what
these
organizations
can
or
can't
do,
because
I
know
from
experience
once
we
approve
these
things.
Bringing
them
back
to
executive
committee
and
council
is
a
never
happens.
H
What
about
access
for
counselors
like
who
want
information,
because
you
know
I,
know
I,
know
that
sometimes
organized
especially
ABCs
and
corporate
entities.
They
they
have
the
capacity,
sometimes
to
say
no,
that
we're
not
going
to
give
you.
This
information
and
I've
been
in
an
arrangement
under
under
a
different
mayor
where
it
was
very,
very
difficult
to
get
the
disclosure
of
information,
and
they
said.
H
Well,
if
you
want
that
information,
you
have
to
go
to
Council,
which
creates
a
whole
level
of
difficulty,
which
that's
why
they
gave
you
that
answer
and
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
in
terms
of
is
there
a
protocol
for
members
of
council
wanting
information
or
wanting
to
ask
questions?
Is
it
in
create
tio
and
both
those
and
in
both
bill
Toronto
and
in
the
TPL,
see.
A
A
E
E
D
D
D
E
D
Councilmen
and
Wallace
questions
were
in
the
direction.
I
too
was
intended
to
go.
We
had
the
opportunity
at
TTC.
For
instance,
we've
had
the
experience
TTC,
where
counselors
were
not
able
to
attend
in-camera
sessions
and
in
the
end
we
figured
out
a
way
and
the
TTC
has
accommodated
counselors.
So
I'm
wondering
our
counselor
is
able
to
attend
any
of
the
in-camera
sessions
of
create
tÃo
because,
of
course,
all
of
the
real
estate
transactions.
Before
that
anything
in
camera,
we
were,
of
course,
able
to
participate
in
that
discussion.
A
If,
if
we
and
I
can't
honestly
say,
we've
never
received
a
request
for
a
counselor
to
come
and
sit
in
one
of
the
board
in-camera
sessions,
but
if
we
did
and
I'm
sure
that
we
would
be
look
on
that
very
favorably.
But
there
would
be
obligations
of
confidentiality,
of
course,
associated
with
what
was
discussed
at
the
meeting.
I
mean.
After
all,
you
are
representatives
of
our
sole
shareholder
and
you
are.
D
E
Thank
You
counselor
Davis
any
other
questions
of
staff.
I
have
one.
If,
if
there
are
others
could
I
just
ask.
I
was
just
curious
in
and
again
I
I
take
some
personal
pride
in
the
creation
of
create
EO
and
the
consolidation
of
our
real
estate
efforts
and
I
wasn't.
I
was
sort
of
of
the
view.
I
thought
that
in
effect,
I
realized.
E
This
is
not
a
proper
phrase
for
a
lawyer
to
use,
but
in
fact
we
had
folded
in
build
and
the
Parma
portland's
corporation
and
that
I
just
want
to
have
some
better
idea
of
why
they
continue
to
exist
as
sue
mitts,
because
there
are
maybe
matters
of
title
or
some
such
thing
that
require
them
to
exist,
but
they
are
not
going
to
in
any
way
and
I
want
to
receive
a
public
assurance
here
on
the
record.
They're
not
going
to
be
in
any
way
active.
E
It
sort
of
falls
along
with
some
of
what
deputy
mayor,
Dan
Wong
was
that
men
and
Wong
was
asking
they're
not
gonna,
be
active
corporations
they're
not
gonna,
have
staff
they're
not
gonna.
Have
expenses
they're
not
gonna,
have
any
legal
role
other
than
what
they
might
have
now,
as
holding
title,
for
example,
where
we
can't
easily
transfer
it
or
something
like
that,
because
the
whole
idea
was
that
all
of
those
corporations
were
to
be
have
their
operations
folded
into
one
strategic
body.
E
A
You
for
the
question:
it's
it's
an
important
question.
We
kept
them
apart
intentionally
because
they
do
own
significant
numbers
of
assets,
particularly
TPL,
see
down
in
the
Portland's
and,
of
course,
builder
Anto
has
a
large
real
estate
portfolio
itself
and
it's
very
important
to
keep
those
assets
separate,
particularly
the
Portland's
assets.
In
a
separate
corporation,
there
were
a
number
of
legal
complexities
associated
with
actually
merging
the
companies,
so
council
and
its
wisdom
fixed
that
problem
by
creating
a
uniform
board.
A
E
I
presume,
if
I
can
ask
one
more
question
that
I
would
never
here
as
long
as
I'm
here
and
that
you
know
pong,
but
as
long
as
I'm
here
I
will
never
hear
anybody
saying
well
the
board
of
build
had
a
meeting,
even
though
it
is
the
same
people
and
it
decided
something
can't
happen.
Even
though
it's
the
same
people
from
great
deal.
E
We
will
never
hear
that
instance
like,
in
other
words
where
you
know
that
would
be
to
me
a
kind
of
a
bite
attempted
bypass
of
the
system
that
anything
that
is
of
any
substance
whatsoever
other
than
a
pure
legality,
which
may
be
required
to
say,
approve
something
that
build
owns,
but
otherwise
all
the
decisions
that
we
made
at
create
teo,
and
these
are
really
just
called
paper
entities,
because
they,
because
they
own
certain
things
and
require
a
separate
board
of
directors
and
so
on.
What.
A
I
would
say
to
that:
we
do
have
separate
board
meetings.
Mr.
mayor,
we
have
a
typically
our
rhythm
is.
We
have
a
create,
do
board
meeting
here
in
this
committee
room
every
other
month,
and
then
we
have
the
corporate
board
meetings
on
a
separate
schedule.
The
corporate
board
meetings
do
make
substantive
decisions
in
connection
with
the
assets
that
are
held
in
the
portfolio
of
those
two
companies.
Anything
that
is
of
a
broader,
broader
strategic
nature
or
anything
to
do
with
a
city
asset
is
decided
at
the
create
tÃo
level.
E
E
E
H
I'll
just
speak
if
it's
I'm
not
gonna,
move
a
motion,
but
if
staff
can
just
provide
me
with
something
before
council
just
explaining
in
terms
of
the
difference
in
terms
of
the
accountability
and
all
the
various
accountability
officers
and
provisions
that
are
available
and
if
they
can
draw
me
a
chart,
comparing
bill,
t
OT,
PLC
and
create
CEO
and
what
rules
apply.
And
you
can
send
the
dress
to
counsel
but
I'm.
Just
very
interested
in
seeing
that.
E
Okay,
anybody
else
I
take
it's
only
six,
all
I,
sorry
I
didn't
see
counselor
Burnside,
sneaking
in
behind
there.
Okay,
anybody
else
wishing
to
speak
otherwise,
I'm
ready
to
call
the
question
on
this,
which
is
item
for
the
35.42,
create
t
electricity
procedures
bylaw
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carry.
That
brings
us
then
to
35.4
for
occupational
health
and
safety
report
and
I
was
being
held
for
a
deputation
from
mr.
Randol
pants
er.
Mr.
pants
are
here.
E
E
B
Mayor
Tory
and
members
of
the
executive
committee,
so
this
issue
is
very
important
to
me
and
to
many
members
of
the
community
that
advocate,
for
you
know,
the
incidence
of
hate
crime
being
on
the
rise
is
very
troubling.
We
sure
folks
have
gone
through
the
report,
but
I
would
like
to
get
you
to
focus
on
an
aspect
of
the
report
that
is
lacking.
So
I'll
speak
to
you
what's
lacking
specifically
victim
support
services,
so
I
will
share
a
personal
story
and
hopefully
you
folks
can
connect
with
what
I'm
chyna
say.
B
So
you
understand
why
it's
important
for
that
focus
to
be
included
in
future
reports.
So
you
know:
I've
been
a
victim
of
a
hate
crime
incident
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
found
very
troubling
was
first
of
all
the
response
rate
when
it
comes
to
members
of
law
enforcement.
You
know
contacting
me
about
the
incident.
Second
piece
was
the
lack
of
information
shared
with
regards
to
victim
support
services
that
are
supposed
to
be
shared
with
any
all
victims
of
hate
crimes.
B
That
wasn't
the
case
and
that's
not
been
the
case
for
many
folks
who
have
either
reported
incidents
of
hate
or
have
no
clue
where
to
turn
when
it
comes
to
incidents
of
hate.
The
last
piece
that
I
want
to
mention
is
specifically
the
deterrence
that
I
personally
experienced.
Where
you
know,
I
was
informed
by
members
of
law
enforcement
that
you
know
this
is
going
to
result
in
the
individual,
been
you
know,
put
on
a
peace
bond
asked
not
to
connect
with
you,
but
that's
basically,
you
know.
B
Did
you
want
to
go
through
the
court
process
and
eventually
lead
to
that?
And
that's
something
that
really
concerned
me
that
you
know
it's
the
members
of
the
judiciary,
the
it's
the
crowd
that
determines
that
decision
and
and
shouldn't
be
made
by
anyone
else.
So
this
report,
I've
read
it
extensively
and
what
I
found
interesting
was.
B
There
was
no
focus
on
victim
support
services
and
the
important
role
they
play
when
it
comes
to
supporting
victims
of
hate,
whatever
form
of
hate,
and
the
other
piece
is
also
with
regards
to
understanding
the
the
problem
itself
right
and
how
chronic
it
is.
My
personal
experiences
have
led
me
to
believe
that
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
impacted
by
hate
but
are
not
reporting
it,
so
we
actually
have
an
issue
of
under
reporting
of
incidents.
B
The
last
thing
that
I
want
to
say
is
with
regards
to
a
campaign
that
the
City
of
Toronto
should
think
about
collaborating
with
Toronto,
Police,
Services
and
other
groups
that
are
invested
in
making
sure
that
we
work
collaboratively
to
reduce
the
incidence
of
hate
in
our
city.
So
we
got,
we
have
a
safe,
inclusive
and
equitable
City.
B
So
if
the
there
are
campaigns
out
there
that
are
focused
on
such
type
of
work,
they're
not
very
well
known-
and
you
know-
I'll
appreciate
members
of
council
or
the
executive
committee
to
elaborate
on
what
those
initiatives
look
like,
so
that
we
could
act,
members
of
a
community
organizations
and
very
active
members
of
a
community
to
participate
in
such
initiatives.
So
thank
you.
E
B
I've
been
made
aware
of
that
campaign,
but
it's
about
where
those
materials
are
found.
They're
not
found
on
our
University
campuses,
they're
not
found
on
you
know:
community
specifics.
There
are
actual
partners
and
allies
that
exist
in
our
in
our
communities
that
we
should
be
working
with.
So
my
point
is:
let's
get
that
information
out
there,
especially
if
it's
been
done
so
that
more
people
see
it
so
that
more
people
can
respond
to
it.
B
But
my
other
crucial
point
is
with
regards
this
victim
support
services
and
how
there's
been
there's
not
been
a
focus
on
that
important
office
that
provides
very
much
needed
resources
to
victims
of
hate
crimes
and
that's
something
that
I
hope.
The
next
report
would
reflect
on
whether
that
office
requires
resources.
How
is
that
office
doing
when
it
pertains
to
supporting
victims
of
hate?
Those
are
questions
that
I
think
we
shall
have
answered,
so
we
can
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
big
of
an
issue
it
is
in
our
city.
E
B
E
F
Thank
you
very
much
atmosphere
through
you.
You
mentioned,
sir,
in
your
remarks
with
respect
to
the
underreporting
of
the
hate
crimes,
I'm
just
wondering.
If
you
had
some
thoughts
and
some
ideas
in
terms
of
ways
and
means
we
could
ensure
that
people
are
able
to
report
and
maybe
making
it
easier,
is
it
more
complicated?
Are
people
just
simply
not
being
bothered?
For
example,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
law
enforcement
in
terms
of
responding
to
that.
Does
that
discourage
people
and
what
your
thoughts
in
terms
of
what
we
could
do?
Thank.
B
B
I
had
the
day
off,
I
just
got
back
from
vacation,
and
you
know
someone
something
happened
to
a
person
behind
me
and
they
basically
were
in
shock,
but
quiet-
and
this
was
part
of
the
incident
not
gonna,
get
to
details,
but
I
actually
had
the
time
to
follow
through
with
the
complaint
I
had
the
time
to
follow
up
with
the
judicial
process
when
it
comes
to
how
it
was
adjudicated.
Not
many
other
folks
can
do
that.
The
other
thing
is
also
language
barriers.
B
You
know,
for
example,
those
the
latest
the
last
incident
of
hate
crime
that
happened
in
my
community
was
I
was
on
my
way
to
work
and
two
young
brave
women
were
trying
to
stop
a
potential
violent
into
a
interaction
between
a
woman
who
didn't
spoke,
English
as
a
second
language
and
a
person
yelling
profanities
or
her
some,
some
more
very
racist,
and
you
know
Harvison
had
a
religious
bias,
but
the
person
ran
off
and
the
person
who
is
supposed
to
initiate
the
complaint
is
the
victim.
But
that's
necessarily
the
case
other
witnesses.
B
E
I
I
I
Another
time
I
was
attacked
at
Yonge
and
Bloor
station,
because
I
simply
needed
you
to
an
elevator
another
time.
I
was
walking
along
Carlton
Street
because
there
was
no
accessible
streetcar
at
the
time,
and
I
was
going
to
see
my
mother
at
6:30
at
night
on
a
winter
day,
and
the
sidewalk
wasn't
fired
very
well,
and
someone
was
walking
in
front
of
me
very
slowly
and
I
said,
but
I
had
my
lights
on
on
my
chair
and
I
simply
asked
them
quietly,
except
didn't
my
balance.
Excuse
me,
do
you
mind
letting
me
go
by?
I
I
I
The
police
showed
up
two
hours
later.
Nothing
was
ever
done
because
I'm,
legally
blind
I
couldn't
describe
the
person
and
what
they
looked
like
I
said
how
tall
they
were.
They
had
gone
somewhat:
off-white
jacket
and
dark
pants
and
a
baseball
cap.
Nothing
ever
got
done.
My
husband
and
I
got
it
getting
attacked
on
the
SRT,
nothing
got
done
the
police
and
the
TTC
constables
fought
forever
about
it.
Nothing
was
ever
done,
except
I
got
a
good
friendship.
I
One
of
the
ones
was
leaving
City
Hall
here,
10:30
at
night
after
a
late
meeting
as
a
person
with
a
disability
in
a
wheelchair
I,
don't
I'm
not
allowed
to
have
lights
by
the
Ontario
government,
but
people
with
scooters
who
can
still
walk
do
and
it
was
before
I
had
the
new
lighting
on
my
chair
that
I
paid
for
out
of
pocket
and
I
was
hit
I,
don't
even
remember
what
I
was
hit
with
I've
been
hit
and
punched
and
kicked
so
many
times
using
transit
getting
around
in
Scarborough.
That's
our
T
train.
I
The
police
don't
take
people
with
disabilities
seriously.
The
victim
services
unit
tried
sending
me
to
a
counselor
Mississauga.
His
office
was
inaccessible
after
the
SRT
attack.
My
husband
has
never
been
the
same
since
that
attack.
He
was
learning
how
to
get
around.
He
was
doing
really
well
he's
legally
blind
and
ever
since
that
attack
he's
anxiety
and
his
PTSD
from
his
life
has
ramped
up
so
much.
He
lays
in
bed
every
day
playing
on
his
phone
and
watching
you
too
scared
to
go
out
on
his
own.
It
destroyed
all
his
independence.
I
You
think
anyone
was
there
to
help
him
no
one.
Yet
nothing
was
done
because
we're
white
nothing
was
done
because
we're
disabled.
So
it's
not
not
a
hate
crime
to
attack
somebody
with
disabilities.
Are
we
not
as
much
as
importance
as
people
of
color
and
people
of
different
Creed's
hate
crimes
comes
in
all
forms
and
shapes?
I
I
E
A
E
E
It
says
mental
or
physical
disability
is
under
the
Criminal
Code
I
I
was
pretty
sure
cuz.
It
just
doesn't
have
all
the
tables
here
from
previously
that
it
did
include.
Actually
you
know
at
least
statistics
and
I
realize
it
doesn't
speak
to
your
point
about
whether
anything
is
done
about
it,
but
I
think
it
does
include
statistics
on
those
who
are
reported
to
the
police,
logistics.
E
I
E
There
are
other
questions
of
the
deputy,
well
Emily.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
with
us
today.
Much
appreciate
it
are
there
questions
of
staff
on
this.
Are
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak?
I
just
say
a
word
before
we
call
the
question
I,
you
know,
I
think
the
point
that
made
this
this
report
at
the
police
service
is
meant
to
really
monitor.
E
You
know
the
number
of
cases
that
are
reported
and
it
doesn't
speak
to
the
question
of
mistake,
I'll
raised
about
what
happens
after
that,
but
I
think.
Even
if
you
look
at
the
reporting
again,
the
tables
aren't
in
the
version.
That's
in
the
city,
manager's
binder
and
I've-
read
it
when
it
was
at
the
police
board
the
trend
this
year
and
I
just
think.
I
remark
on
it,
and
particularly
following
on
the
comments
we
had
earlier
on
about
the
alkyds
rally
and
other
things
that
we
hear
a
no
vote.
E
When
we
receive
the
statistics
and
especially
when
we
see
the
trend
lines
going,
the
wrong
way
is
to
look
at
other
ways
in
which
we
can
make
sure
they're
being
reported,
they're
being
acted
upon
when
they
are
being
reported
and
so
on.
So
I
think
it's
just
that's
why
these
reports
come
here
so
that
we
can
see
what
they
have
to
say,
even
though
it's
a
report
in
this
case
that
went
to
the
police
board.
So
are
there
any
other
comments
before
we
call
the
question?
E
All
right,
then,
this
is
on
the
recommendation,
which
I
believe
I
could
just
find
us
to
receive
yet
to
receive
the
report
from
the
police
services
board.
We're
committed
from
the
Police
Services,
Board
and
I'll
call
a
question
all
those
in
favor
opposed
Carrie
I.
Believe
that
completes
our
business.
Unless
somebody
tells
me
there's
something
I've
missed
or
unless
there's
somebody
else
wants
to
stay
longer
and
take
up
other
matters
to
our
hours.