Toronto City Council Executive Committee, 19 Jun 2018

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Executive Committee, meeting 35, June 19, 2018 - Part 1 of 2
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We have a quorum so I'll with your concurrence call the meeting to order the 35th meeting of the Executive Committee and I want to welcome, of course, all the members of the committee and also members of council who are with us this morning and members of the public and the media. We acknowledge today that we are meeting on the traditional territory of the Mississauga's of the new credit First Nation.

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The hot new Shawnee here on when dad and home to many diverse indigenous peoples and I would invite, by the way, just while I'm making that remark we're happy. We have what is a splendid ceremony. It's been my privilege to participate in for the last four or five years that happens at about 5:15 a.m. on Thursday morning on national indigenous day here at City Hall, and it's a it's quite a moving ceremony.

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Actually that sort of welcomes the sunrise on that day, which is I, guess also the longest day of the year and it lasts for about an hour and but it's just something, that's very, very interesting and very moving, and so it happens right out here on Nathan Phillips Square. You can watch us on YouTube at Toronto, City, Council, live or follow the meeting on your computer tablet or smartphone at wwr an or see a backslash council. Are there any declarations of interest under the municipal conflict of interest act?

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And if so, please indicate the item number and the nature of the interest. Counselor, pastor, Knight, you.

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Know mayor an abundance of caution, I'll declare an interest in ex35, 30, Toronto, Public, Library project cost and cash flow adjustments. Although on leave my spouse's technically still an employee of Toronto Public, Library Thank.

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You councillor Pasternak: are there other declarations of interest to be put on the record? Okay may I then have a motion to confirm the minutes of the executive committee meeting of May 14th 2018 moved by councillor McMahon. All those in favor opposed to carry the clerk has informed me. We have a request to add new business from councillor Crawford and the proposed item is entitled one entitled one time: provincial cost shared funding for harm reduction, outreach at the supervised injection service at 277, Victoria, Street I, understand that you have the item before you may I.

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Have a motion to add this and item to the agenda moved by Councillor Crawford, all those in favor opposed carried. We now have 46 items on the agenda today. So let's proceed with the rundown and of course, if you want to hold an item, I would ask that you state your name and say hold and for items with decadence.

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I will hold these items and that starts with item 35 ex35 point: 1 creation of a Standing Committee on housing held for deputation item 35 point to community council boundaries will similarly be held for deputations item 35 point 3. Enhanced security measures at Toronto, City Hall will similarly be held by me for deputations item ex35 point for city of toronto, corporate accessibility policy.

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I will hold for a motion which I think will be non-controversial and we can then I think dispose of that item depending on members and their wishes item 35.5, fostering diversity in the Toronto Public Service Thursdays a motion to adopt the recommendation ocean of recommendation to receive the report moved by Councillor deputy mayor by Lao. All those in favor opposed carry item. 35.6 hate sponsored rallies is being held for deputations item 35.7 report back on committee of adjustment, irradiation pilot program. I would.

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Like to hold that I'll have a short motion later, which I, don't believe will be controversial. Okay,.

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Thank You councillor item 35.8 municipal greenhouse gas challenge fund capital project authorities to adopt the recommendations in the report moved by councillor McMann. All those in favor opposed carry item 35.9 bill, Toronto, Annual, General Meeting in 2017, audited financial statements, a motion to adopt the recommendations in the report moved by councillor shiner. All those in favor opposed carry item; 35 point 10, casa, loma, corporation annual general reading in 2017 audited financial statements.

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The motion to adopt the recommendations in the report moved by councillor Thompson, all those in favor opposed carried, invest, Toronto item ex35 point 11, Annual, General Meeting in 2017, audited financials its motion to adopt the recommendations in the report hold you want to hold that counselor Thompson. Thank you item 35 point 12 lakeshore arena corporation annual general meeting in 2017, audited financial statements, a motion to adopt the recommendations in the report moved by deputy mayor bi-lo, all those in favor opposed. You have to show us slightly more effort than that.

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Just so I could be sure and opposed carried item X 35 point 13 Toronto, Community, Housing, Corporation, Annual, General, Meeting and 2017 audited. Canal consolidated financial statements, a motion to adopt the recommendations in the report from deputy mayor below all those in favor opposed carried item, 35 point 14, Toronto, Hydro, corporation Annual, General, Meeting and 2017 audited. Financial statements wish to hold that I have a motion. Commissioner wants to hold that item; 35 point 15, Toronto, Portland's company, Annual, General, Meeting and 2017 audited financial statements, a motion to adopt the recommendations.

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The report moved by councillor Thompson, all those in favor opposed carried item; 35 point 16 City of Toronto investment report for 2017 in the first quarter of 2018 and policy update a motion to adopt the recommendations in the report moved by councillor Ainsley, all those in favor opposed carried item; 20, sorry, X, 35 points, 17, 20, 18, heads and beds levy on institutions of Ocean to adopt or compare it from councillor. Tory annual motion I'd like to move on this. Okay, that's fine, Thank, You, Katherine he's a clerk how's it it's.

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Ready I can do it as a quick item. We.

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Can yeah we yeah all right all right we'll do that when we finish the rundown I'll come back and just do it right. Then item 35 point 18, 2018 levy on railways, roadways, rights-of-way power, utility transmission and distribution holders hold hold for the same purpose: councillor Ainsley item 35, point 19, capital grant and loan from Federation of Canadian Municipalities to the Toronto atmospheric fund motion to adopt the recommendations in the report of councillor Thompson. All those in favor opposed carried item, 35 point 20, councilmember, administrative matters, policies and procedures.

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The recommendations in the report are there moved by deputy mayor by law. All those in favor opposed carried item 35 point 21 opened at a review process for commercially confidential and proprietary interests. A motion to adopt the recommendation will receive their part held by councillor Ainsley thirty five point: twenty two extension to reconvey 444, Logan Avenue to the city, a motion report coming from the affordable housing office, a motion to adopt the recommendation in the report moved by deputy mayor bylaw, all those in favor opposed carried item 35 point 23 status report update on st.

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Hilda's towers, seniors, housing, a report again coming from the shelter s sha an affordable housing office. A motion to approve the record want to hold that yeah.

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Just that very quickly, I just want to express the gratitude to staff. This has been a lot of work to save more than 200 units of seniors housing and our city staff and councillor Cole and I have been working very hard to make sure that the Lin's are involved. The province is involved and we're heading in the good way and saving all these units and we're gonna be actually recovering through tower renewal through the affordable housing office, more than 200 units of seniors housing.

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So thank you to all the staff and the local councilors Josh Cole as well. Thank.

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You and you're moving the recommendation. All those in favor opposed carries item 30, 5.24 Dufferin, renewable natural gas facility grant funding and related lease agreement with n bridge at 35 family crescent motion to adopt the recommendations in the report blue bike house at Crawford. All those in favor opposed to carry item 35 point 25, capital variance report for the year ended December, 31st, 2017 motion. You want to hold that o your act. No, it's the next one I have a motion on I moved by Councillor Crawford. All those in favor opposed carried the next one.

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I will hold item 35 point: 26 operating variance report for the year ended: December, 31st 2017 as I have a motion on that item. 35 point: 27, Reserve and reserve funds variance report, December 31st 2017, moved by Councillor Crawford to adopt the recommendations in the receive the report. All those in favor opposed carried item 35 point 28, Children's, Services amendment to the 2018 approved operating budget to reflect increases in provincial contributions. This is really more or less housekeeping motion to accept the recommendations of the report from councillor Crawford.

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All those in favor opposed carried item, 35.29 fleet services, division, 2017 capital budget in 2018, 226 capital plan, adjustments, accelerations and deferrals to accept the recommendations move by councillor Crawford. All those in favor opposed carried item 35. This is the one mister because they're passed around how much I think you declared an interest.

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So was you to give him a second to leave item 35 point 30, Toronto, Public, Library project cost in cash flow adjustments to the 2018 capital budget in 2019 to 2027 capital plan, emotion from councillor Crawford to approve the recommendations in the report and adopt them all. Those in favor opposed carried pasternak item 35 X 35 point 31: biodiesel pilot funding requirements. There is a motion to adopt the recommendations from the Budget Committee moved by councillor Crawford. All those in favor opposed carries item ex35 point 32.

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The capital variance report for the three months ended March 31st 2018 motion coming from the budget committee recommendation coming from a motion moved by councillor Crawford to adopt the recommendations of the budget committee. All those in favor opposed Carrie item 35 point: 33 operating variance report for the period ended March, 31st 2018, coming from the budget committee.

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A motion to adopt the recommendations of the budget committee moved by councillor Crawford, all those in favor opposed carried item, ex35 point 34 facilities, 2018 capital budget, 2019 to 2027 capital plan, adjustments, accelerations and deferrals for the second quarter. Coming from the budget committee, a motion to adopt the recommendations of the budget committee McMahon, all those in favor opposed carry item, 35, point 35, ex35, point, 35 project, cost adjustments and deferrals accelerations to the parks, forestry and recreation 2018 capital budget and the plan.

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2019 2027 for the second quarter motion to approve the recommendations coming from the budget committee moved by councillor Crawford, all those in favor opposed carried item, ex35 point 36, Toronto, Water, 2018 capital budget in 2019 to 2027 capital plan adjustments again coming from the Budget Committee a motion to adopt the recommendations of the budget committee. Councillor Crawford, all those in favor opposed carried item, 35 point 37, ex35 point 37 is being held for deputations. It's the transportation services, 2018 capital budget. Adjustments.

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Item 35 point 38, composition of working group, independent external review, with respect to toronto, police services, missing person, investigations, a motion to approve the recommendations of the budget committee moved by councillor Crawford, all those in favor opposed carried item, 35 point 39, ex35, point: 39, Toronto, Police, Services, 2018 capital budget variance report period, ending March, 31st 2018 recommendation coming from the budget committee. A motion to approve that recommendation is moved by councillor Crawford. All those in favor opposed to carry item 35.42 pasty, improvements on bus and subway services.

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It is being held for deputations item 35 point 41, a multi-year agreement with the rural agricultural, winter fare and use of office space, and that this comes with no recommendation. It comes with a recommendation from the Board of Governors of Exhibition Place, but so it's up to us as to how we dispose of it. There is a recommendation here. Is anybody prepared to move this recommendation? It's been the subject of a long negotiation between experts moved by councillor Thompson, all those in favor. Oh I'm.

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Sorry, you want to hold it the councillor Thompson moving in moving it. Oh that's, fine! Moving! It then all right all those in favor opposed carry item. E^X 35.42, create teo procedures by law, and this you want to hold that okay held by a deputy, merriman and wong item ex35 point: 43, Toronto, Investment, Board procedures by law. There's a recommendation here to adopt the recommendations of the board with respect to its procedures.

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Bylaw someone to move that moved by Councillor McMann, all those in favor opposed carried Occupational, Health and Safety report, year-end 2017 item ex35 point 44 is being held for deputations and second to last item ix35 point: forty-five Toronto, Police, Service annual hate bias, crime statistical report is being held for deputations and then we have item ex35, point 46, which is the new item of business, brought forward by councillor Crawford and put onto the agenda by you, which merely is allowing us to receive the provincial assistance and having that match of smaller amount of money that the Public Health Board and the city would put forward motion to approve the recommendation moved by councillor.

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Crawford I beg pardon it's here. I. If you have you need time to read it. That's fine! But what's your wish? Councillor Crawford has moved it, but I can put it down, hold it down.

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It's a flow-through of money from the province.

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Hold it down: okay, now there was just a couple of I think fairly quick things that councillor Ainsley annually and with my support, certainly moves and so I think it is time to do that and send that message off to those those concerned. So that brings us back then I think if we want to just deal with these as what was the first one, it was the the met beds and head their heads and or whatever. What number is that Madame Clerk 35:17?

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Thank you, city manager, 2018, heads and beds levy and institutions. I think counts, they're Crawford. If they are there any outside members, not on the committee wanting to ask questions. Are there any questions of staff by committee members? Are there any people wishing to speak other than councillor Ainsley? If not councillor NZ the floor? Is yours: Thank, You, Mara, Torrey,.

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I have my annual motion that I'm gonna move hoping that they'll adjust this item for cost of inflation and there's a new new sets of years up at Queen's Park. So, hopefully they'll listen to us. There.

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Any questions of the mover are other representations. People wish to make, if not I'll call the question. First on the amendment, all those in favor opposed carried and then on the my item as amended, all those in favor opposed carry and then the next item was item 35 point 18, the levy on railway roadways and rights-of-way and power utility and distribution corridors. Sorry that one's not not ready with that one. Yet oh I see okay, fine, then we'll put that down.

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Then I would move quickly on the the one I guess you know we have we'll have some discussion about this. Perhaps I I had this motion with respect to the vision, zero allocation on the item to do with the surplus, but I don't know whether people want to have a longer discussion on that or not because otherwise I'd be prepared to move it. Do we have madam Clerk, do we have that motion that was on the number that had to do with the oh?

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It hasn't been given up yet well, then we will just we'll let people have a chance to look at it. I think they're familiar with it from all the public discussion, but would let people have a chance to look at it? We can deal with it before lunch. Okay, I think. That's all we have to be doing now before we proceed. Yes, councillor shiner, so.

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I I can release with the motion. I have for further report item 35.1 for Toronto Hydro Corporation and had.

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People seen the motion as yet. No we can put it up on the screen. Okay, let's, let's have a look: I, don't really 5.14 ix35 point 14 I'll just ask before we consider councillor shiners members or anybody from outside the council, the committee rather or any questions of staff for any here, none! Okay! Then we brings us to your motion and let's put that up so.

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Merit re: the reason for the motion is was speaking with staff and finding.

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Comparators for the salaries of Toronto Hydro corporation.

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The big question is: what comparators do you use, and this would.

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Have our staff actually go out and look at what they feel might be the appropriate comparators and come back with a report when we get.

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The report back from Toronto Hydro so they'll make their recommendations as to what comparators.

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Is for salaries and our staff will have the opportunity to do the same and then counsel can consider it at that time. Okay,.

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Are there any questions of the mover or other representations to be made on this? If not we'll call the question on the amendment may I call them for all those in favor of the amendment opposed carried item is amended all those in favor opposed Kerry. Thank you very much. Councillor shiner now, I think we're ready to go back to item 35.1, which is the creation of a Standing Committee on housing and I.

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Have the list of decadence here and I think we just were going to take it a bit out of order on what's listed because there's one deputy who's not yet here and we'll start. Therefore, with Pedro burrata from the United Way of Greater Toronto, there is.

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Good morning sir you're always welcome here and, as you know, you have five minutes and there may be some questions after that. Good.

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Morning, thank you very much, thanks very much for the opportunity to speak with you today. I am here on behalf of United Way of Greater Toronto, to support to the creation of a Standing Committee on housing. We want to show support for this recommendation, because Toronto has some titles that we've got to shake. The GTA is a child poverty, capital of Canada, the income, inequality, capital of Canada and the housing poverty capital of Canada.

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These are trends that must be reversed, and if we are to do that, then putting affordable housing front and center on the city's agenda must be a priority. The numbers tell the story: in 2016 Toronto had some 200,000 households in core housing knee struggling to pay the rent living in under repaired homes or in crowded, crowded or dangerous conditions among households that rent 46% are in court.

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Housing need paying more than one-third of their income towards rent, that's the highest rate in the country, ahead of all other major urban centers that doesn't leave a lot of room for other basics: food transportation, clothing, a phone, a coffee with a friend or a gift for a kid's birthday party.

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Our own research has shown that the GTA is more divided among income lines than ever, increasingly you're either have or have not, and while there are many solutions that must work in tandem to close the gap in opportunities in our city, housing affordability is squarely at the heart of making this a place where everyone belongs. So some good news, the United Way spent much of our energy in 2016 and 17 working with communities and with you to push for a national housing strategy.

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The federal government has come through with a 10-year plan that includes predictable growing funding from year to year, an explicit desire to let cities lead and a comprehensive scope of action. If there was ever a time to seize the opportunity to change the depressing course, we've been on to not get distracted and to finally make a breakthrough in housing, affordability that time would be right now, the federal government has responded to city needs by putting housing on the front burner, laying the money down and delivering a policy game-changer, and we have to respond in kind.

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We need to build housing that is affordable, social nonprofit, private rental ownership. Within reach. We need to secure existing aging stock, especially in the inner suburbs. By ramping up tower renewal, we must implement a new portable, Housing Benefit as a way to deal with the immediate needs of people who don't have several years to wait for new apartments to be built and open up.

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And finally, we need to help those who are homeless or looking for emergency shelter today, while also getting a lot smarter in how we prevent people from falling into dire circumstances in the first place. Now that's a big agenda with a lot of complexity, a law moving parts and they need to not lose sight of how these pieces need to be interconnected for the entire system to work. The creation of a Standing Committee on housing is not a silver bullet. Cdr must remain like a dog with a bone on toronto's.

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Overall PRS planning and planning and growth can help ensure that we build neighborhoods that reflect our commitment to inclusion. Economic development holds so much of the solution to good jobs and so on and so on. But this is the moment for us to keep our eye on the ball and to ensure that we capitalize on this once in a generation opportunity to fix housing, affordability in our city and to put all hands on deck and building a Toronto. We can all feel proud of thanks very much. Thank.

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You Pedro thank you for being here today. I have one question: there may be others.

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There have been a whole variety of ways in which people have suggested. We might deal with this and you kind of alluded to I think a model that is before us and that I I was the one that made the recommendation here.

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So obviously I support it, but just want to get your comments on this alternative, which says you have a laser-like focus as I describe it through the creation of a Housing Committee, with continuing efforts made by CARF, for example, on the poverty reduction strategy and so on, as opposed to others, who suggest a sort of broader reshuffling where you sort of shuffle a whole lot of different responsibilities around between and among all kinds of, different committees and I'm. Putting my own bias clearly on I did in the report that I think a focus.

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A big laser-like focus on housing is going to be good, but but accompanied by these other efforts that are referred to as opposed to a sort of mix and match some shuffle of responsibilities. Can you just comment on on that? Well,.

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We currently already have a shuffling of various parts of the housing system in all kinds of different parts, and we have a very unique moment in time where we have the dollars the comprehensive strategy and a federal partner that is looking to us to pull all of that together in an integrated way and I.

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Think the opportunity here is not to think about just shelters, just rental, just housing benefits, but how all of these can work as a system that over ten years can deliver real change in in order to do that that require the number wires, a level of discipline and planning that needs to bring everything together. If we, you know, we've been talking about housing, affordability in our city for a very long time, people are certainly feeling it every day.

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This is one of those moments when the dollars are beginning to flow when I think the rest of the country is looking to Toronto for leadership, because this is where the needs are highest, where the the best thinking can come from and where we can really lead the way and bringing it all together in one committee having that laser-like focus can make a huge difference and we would be more than happy to help in any way. We can thank.

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You other questions of mr. bratter from the United Way. Well I. Thank you very much for being here today. Much appreciated next. We have Neil Hetherington good morning and welcome back mr. Heatherington and you have, as you know, five minutes. There may be some questions good.

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Morning, what what Pedro said is completely supported by the Daily Bread Food Bank, so I represent that organization and the hundred and thirty-five member agencies across the the city and and the recommendation that we have is that the the council fully support the motion before them I'm, also speaking on behalf of Ryan, noble from from North York harvests. Who also supports this, you might be asking. Why does why? Does the Daily Bread Food Bank support this kind of motion? It's about affordable housing, not about food security.

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The reality is that we need to look upstream in poverty. When we solve affordable housing. The usage of the food banks will decrease. We know that 69% of we know that the food bank users spend 69 percent of their income on housing and so that choice between food or housing is a difficult and unnecessary one.

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We believe that the restructuring of the governance of of council, as you said, your worship to focus completely in a laser-like way on affordable housing, will replicate what is done in major cities throughout the States and and is needed here in Canada. So we believe that it is radical common-sense and we would simply ask that that this motion go forward and we fully support it.

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Watch mr. Heatherington, are there questions that members? The committee have, if not I have one you in a previous life. You know dealt with us and you were, you know, broadly speaking, dealing with affordable housing issues from the very unique vantage point of Habitat for Humanity, which does such great work, as does the food bank.

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Of course, can you just describe a little bit some of your experiences in trying to move those kinds of things for it, admittedly, not affordable rental housing, but trying to move those things forward in terms of the the the dispersal kind of caught that of different authorities and people and agencies and boards and groups that you had to sort of deal with in trying to get city approval? It was that an issue, or was it not an issue when you were trying to move projects forward well.

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It's absolutely an issue, and so when you talk about affordable, homeownership and dealing with with planning- and then you you move over in terms of the government programs aligning ourselves with the National, Housing, Strategy shelter and supports, and the work over at Dixon Hall that that was was done. The idea to consolidate that and say we need to make individual strategic choices just makes, as I said earlier, radical common sense thank.

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You that's that's all the question I had is there. Anybody else wants to ask mr. Heatherington a question. Well, thank you for being here and thank you for your continuing work at the food bank. You continue to take on these responsibilities. They are very important to a healthy City, so we thank you very much.

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Darryl Chong president, the CEO Greater Toronto Apartment Association good morning. Mr. Chong good morning, mr. Malcolm.

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Very much you also have five minutes and so over to you, Thank.

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You mr. mayor committee, members Greater Toronto, Apartment Association is an association of private sector landlords who own and operate about a hundred and fifty thousand units of purpose-built rental. We support this entirely. This is should be a priority that deserves the attention of cross divisional planning a stated mister in meritorious letter.

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We believe that the laser focus that you mentioned earlier is what's needed, and example of that is how you've sort of honed in with the open door program and you've taken cross divisional responsibilities and pushed it into a sort of concierge service for those that want to build, affordable housing.

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If you could take that sort of prototype and expand, it I think this is what this housing standing committee might be able to do so I'm just here to say that our members have decades, if not half centuries of of operational and ownership experience and we're here to offer any assistance we that you might deem appropriate. Thank you.

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Thanks mr. strong any questions from members of the committee again, I have one: if not can I just ask I've had the sort of I guess I'll call it now the episodic experience in the last period of time, especially the last two years. There was very enthusiastic response from the people you represent to the open doors program so that when we put a piece of land up, we'd have multiple people.

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You know bidding for the opportunity to specifically build affordable housing and, more recently, in the last you know even six months, I've had multiple people asking to come and see me not with a view to sort of putting forward any particular case for any particular project. We're just saying we want to build. Affordable housing and I wondered if you could just talk a little bit about. You know your members and the people you represented in there their appetite as it were, for building rental housing, including affordable rental, housing. Just cuz I.

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Think it's interesting for as we look at creating a committee for members to know about that about that appetite. Yeah.

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Absolutely there's a huge appetite to build more. We haven't built substantially for about 40 years now and there's an appetite to do it. The hurdles are obviously financial and regulatory, so that holds us back. There was. There is an uptick right now, especially in places where you can infill on legacy land. So in regards to affordable lots of basically, the private sector operators and owners are the ones who are operating all the affordable housing, safer, TCH I mean and.

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Is it fair to say that when you talk to them about this that, if they were to, if they were to determine that a committee like this could help clear away, some of the I won't call them obstacles that, because it sounds they're deliberately put there, but but make it as easy as possible and have that laser-like focus and try to streamline the process of getting them to build both rental accommodation generally, but also affordable, rental accommodation that this would be seen as a positive by them to have this group.

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That could focus entirely on that issue and on making it easier for them to do what you've said. They want to do absolutely.

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And I think the easiest way would be to expand the open door program not to just include affordable, but the next bench marks above, affordable. Okay,.

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Those are my questions. Thank you, mr. Truong. Very much any other questions well well. Thank you very much for being here today, Kiera Hynek from the Toronto Alliance to End Homelessness there. You are and thank you for coming today and you two have five minutes and we welcome you and please go ahead. Thank.

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You very much it's always a delight to come and speak with various committees of Council. Thank you for the chance to be here again today. We are extremely excited about this motion, something that we definitely need in our city and are very pleased to see the vision behind it that to tackle homelessness, we need to address the entire continuum from outreach on the streets all the way to affordable housing. So congratulations on the motion and we are definitely here today to speak on behalf of it.

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We took the unusual step this time as well of putting our support out to our many network. Partners and community partners had overwhelming response over 40 organizations signing on including some unusual suspects, such as the I have a list here: The Daily, Bread, Food, Bank who's, a new member of ours, which is very exciting homeless, connect Toronto the access point, the provincial group that does collect all the intake for folks needing supportive housing and directing them to provincially funded solutions. So we also have their support for such a move.

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The toronto shelter network, of course, and large providers like The Salvation, Army, Madison, Community, Services and Stephens Covenant House and Canadian Mental, Health Association, as well as it's just a sampling of types of support. We have behind my deputation today. So, as you know, the Alliance strongly believes that housing is the solution to end homelessness.

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It's the only thing that really does end a person's homelessness at the end of the day, and so a standing committee that has a mandate to monitor and make recommendations on housing and shelter in the city demonstrates an understanding that it's a continuum that's needed and also shows a commitment to make housing a priority in terms of addressing the shelter and homelessness crisis. That is an essential step towards really tackling this situation in Toronto and I.

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Think and believe that gives us reason to be very optimistic about our chances to do better in the coming winter in the coming years, and we have in the past. I should say as well that you mayor when you announced this first in April part of the announcement was to create a new real estate super agency. In order to look also at how we purchase and acquire real estate for the purposes of affordable housing faster and more efficient, and we support that as well, of course, I'm gonna just list a couple of things.

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We get a little more granular on why we think the Standing Committee on housing is so essential. It'll be able to take on things like redefining what deeply affordable housing means in this city to those who are in the lower income brackets and how to bridge that affordability gap, exploring a range of different housing and affordable issues.

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Enhancing the interdivisional work, that's already taking place at the city, which is also another fantastic development, and this committee will allow the various departments and divisions of the city of Toronto to come together on these issues.

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You have an awful lot of smart, committed people working for you, as you know, in your public service and a chance for them to work together to the same strategic goal of a full strategy on housing at home, not they're, a very exciting opportunity.

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Developing and enhancing the role of portable housing benefits how they might be utilized in the City of Toronto is also a key issue that we hope and are excited about. This committee, tackling, as previous deputies have noted, there is a National Housing Strategy. Now there is predictable funding coming for the next ten years. The province has signed their bilateral agreement before the election, with the federal government to bring down a portable, Housing Benefit, and so this danny committee will be an excellent place to see what Toronto's role is on delivering and enhancing that benefit.

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The committee also allows a strategic place for the community to work more directly with committee and council and staff. We have our campaign zero tio, which speaks about zero, reaching zero, chronic homelessness in the City of Toronto, and so that's another I think really good strategic development with this committee.

L

In conclusion, I want to recognize going out of where we are now to this change, that the work of the three committees- Community, Development and Recreation, affordable housing and tenants issues, Advisory, Council, sorry, so two committees and the council has been very excellent and needed over the last, while particularly the last year or two we've seen really good work happened.

L

There I think that needs to be acknowledged that the people there in the community- that's you that have used those committees have done so I think is use that as well as we could, but, as said previously, having a new committee, a standing committee and all that that brings with it in terms of coordination and strategic positioning will allow us to do our work even better. But let's also take a moment to acknowledge the good work of those committees. As of today.

L

E

You very much are there questions of the deputy again I just have one there is this proposal of that I've heard that people would rather see as to a sort of reshuffling of a bunch of committees, and it may take pardon me into even after our last council meeting and and that's as distinct from what you have in front of you, which gets on with this committee that focuses on the broad spectrum.

E

As you said, of housing and I presume that the all these organizations you indicated that had been supportive of this sort of talking to account other possibilities that might exist in terms of trying to address this through kind of what I call a reshuffling of responsibilities and felt that a laser focus as I put it on housing, was going to be something that was going to be beneficial to us in terms of trying to move forward, especially the addressing of shelter issues, but also affordable housing in particular. Yes,.

L

Yes, they they would. We always take other options into consideration. We've worked with other options over the last while and as I said, while we've used them to our best advantage, and your committees have have done good work.

L

I think we are all in agreement that this is a better way of going forward and I'll say that that, in particular for the alliance, with our focus on ending homelessness and our vision that it's truly housing, that does that having a one committee that will address the entire continuum will allow for constructive conversations about the role of a shelter system in an overall housing delivery system.

L

So this is the committee where we can bring our issues whether we are focused on the conditions in shelter which are critical and have to be of a standard that actually support people and get them to a place where housing is an option for them or if we're talking about using inclusionary zoning to our benefit or working with the private sector, to develop more affordable rental housing. We need one place to talk about that, so that every decision and every element of council work going forward is part of an overall housing delivery system.

L

This is the way we'll create lots of room for people to flow out of homelessness and into permanent, sustained housing over time. We hope that that means it will be less need for shelter, and then the committee will have the great job of talking about well. How do we strategically reduce our shelters in the city? That'll be exciting too, very.

E

Exciting, thank you very much masonic for your representation. No other questions. I assume, okay. That would then bring us to any questions of staff from visiting members of council on this matter. Seeing none any questions of staff by by members of the committee. All right, then those wishing to speak on this matter, counselor, deputy mayor viola,.

G

Thank You mayor and thank you to to your letter and to bring this matter forward. I've had the privilege, privilege of chairing the Affordable Housing Committee and to be on all kinds of different boards and committees and task force related to housing, and let me tell you that it is a challenge if you want to have that laser focus approach.

G

If you want to have a cohesive housing strategy in the city, it is really tough because we have housing being dealt at all kinds of different committees at all kinds of difference, and you know you have licensing and standards doing housing policy. You have CDR doing a housing policy, you have affordable housing, doing housing policy and we don't have the overall strategy being defined on housing and I. Think that's what we as a city really need to grapple with, as we enter into the next ten year plan.

G

We are about to develop the next ten year housing plan we have. One of the biggest challenges in our city is housing and it's it's not only a shelter crisis is not only a social housing crisis. It's it's at different points of the spectrum. You are now having young graduates that can't afford to rent or to buy something in the City of Toronto. This is what we're dealing with, so it is essential that we have a committee that we show they that you're serious about this issue that we show other orders of government.

G

We are just in the cusp of receiving the benefits of a National Housing Strategy the province and the federal government just signed the bilateral agreement we've just given the green light to start to implement inclusionary zoning. We we are restructuring our own and largest landlord, which is Toronto Community Housing. We are restructuring housing connections. We are embarking on the rooming house review. We are looking at vacant tax vacant tax policy as well. This is all part of the solution of housing.

G

This needs to have a strategy, a focused strategy, coordinated strategy and be a focus and a priority for this council. So that is why I'm extremely supportive I hope that we show a strong sign of support to have the Housing Committee to have a very strong focus on this issue towards the next term of council. I. Think we can't waste another day.

G

There's a lot of work ahead of us and Torontonians do not want to want wait anymore to have all this all these issues coordinated address it and with the priority that it deserves in our city, people want to work in our city. People want to live in our city. It is our duty to make sure we do everything we can and that we have a realistic, pragmatic and ambitious plan to tackle this issue.

E

Thanks deputy mayor Barlow, councillor Thompson I, thank.

H

You very much mr. mayor I, too I'm in support of the recommendation here with respect to the formation of a Standing Committee on housing. I think that it demonstrates our focus and our keen sense of the challenges that exists in this city and often times when we hear the discussion around housing. It is simply that we talk about affordable housing, wanting to ensure that our homeless population, our house and so on, but I think that there is that, but there's also the other element as well.

H

Miss mayor we are focusing on driving and creating economic opportunity, Kannamma development and so on. We are right now, obviously, as you know, in the running for the Amazon second North American had office as such, and so, if that were to happen, what would happen to housing in the city? There is a greater challenge as well. In addition, so it seems to me that we need to take a broad stroke approach with respect to this particular issue.

H

I recall just after amalgamation, the then their last Minh and then government Liberal government, minister of housing, came here to City. Hall talked about a grand plan for housing and so on. It's almost 20 years later, we're still waiting for that grand plan for housing to be able to benefit and help Torontonians.

H

We don't have quite the vision that needs to be had with respect to this important issue.

H

We really need to put in place, obviously the apparatus to demonstrate our seriousness with respect to housing, housing issues, and that has an impact on all, because we may think that for some people to have housing, that's ok, but in fact it is necessary that all people to have appropriate housing in this particular city, and so we need to ensure that those young professionals, the Millennials that are out there, now not able to see a vision for themselves in the future where they can actually have what I think many of us now take for granted.

H

I think that is a responsibility of the city. That is a responsibility for government to work with industry. We've had industry folks in here. Mr. Truong was here talking about supporting this I. Think it's extremely important. Why do we have Committee on transportation? Or you know works committee Economic Development Committee in some, because we think those are important things.

H

So the housing piece has just been allowed to sort of develop on its own as if it's going to bring in or be put in place in such a way that addresses the challenges that we're facing in the city. I know, I, look at council by law and her leadership in this particular file.

H

It has been stellar with respect to what has happened today and clearly, if we continue to focus on having a committee that has properties of government and across a department, I think that it is something that would help us significantly address the challenges that we're actually facing now. I also think it's something that would allow the federal and provincial government to really take us seriously, based on our focus in our requirement to try to address and arrest this issue of the challenges that we're facing with respect to housing. So I commend you, mr.

H

mayor and members who have supporting this and I'm looking forward to seeing a unanimous vote on this particular issue, because it will send the right message, because this is the right time for us to act. If we don't act now, then I think that we're gonna fail our society as a whole. Thank you. Thanks councillor.

E

Thompson councillor pass tract Thank.

B

You mr. mayor I would echo many of the comments that were already made. There were just too many different directions in which housing was going torn by various committees. Standing Committee subcommittee I would be standing in a public place. Looking at a television screen, cp24 and and watch a housing announcement, I mean, like oh, wait, a minute I'm the chair of Community Development recreation. That's that's an interesting thing to see when it comes to generating policy, though having it come out of one committee.

B

The one thing that surprises me about this a little bit is why it's not called the Standing Committee on shelter and housing, because of course, if you read through here, you know that the the shelter file will also be under the auspices of this committee, and we want to make sure it's clear that our shelter system is not housing, that it is a transitional piece. That's growing increasingly important in the city and expensive, but it is not a permanent housing solution and sort of needs, a sort of identity of its own and separation.

B

From the title of the committee, when it comes to seniors housings and people on fixed incomes, the only real solution is not bricks and mortar, but pension reform that must be driven by the federal and provincial governments to make sure that seniors when they, when they do retire, when they've, when they've contributed to CPP or or their other kind of mixed pension options that they have the the funds at the end of the day, to afford rents in in in Market Market facilities so that they don't put the pressure on some of our social housing portfolio.

B

We must dig deeper into why there's over 600 units within the TCH portfolio that are uninhabited and what kind of capital streamers going into them to make sure that they are fit for occupancy and and make sure they are safe, more important when units are uninhabitable, whether it's leaking mold or state of good repair, dad usually spreads to surrounding units. So the units that are closed down and uninhabitable will actually be spreading. That problem among the floors and surrounding units within the building.

B

We've also need this committee to take a closer look at the thirteen hundred or so bachelor units that apparently are an occupied summer saying that number is high and why why we're not putting transitioning people into those units from our shelter system? These are all these are all very difficult. Questions that can't be answered here and solving housing problems is the challenge of every city across North, America and Europe. So I think this is a good start to at least have a centralized focus within our policymaking apparatus and bring recommendations to so for discussion.

E

Thanks counselor Pasternak counselor, easy Thank.

F

You Mara Tori I'll be supporting the recommendations in this report as a city and councilor and Scarborough I for neighborhood improvement areas in my ward and the top three priorities for people are housing, employment and transportation, and we have an Economic Development Committee.

F

Here we have a Transportation Department takes care of those two items quite easily, but when it comes to housing as the netcode by my other colleagues, often I'm going to a multitude of different departments when I have issues around housing and making sure, if somebody has an issue in their apartment or with their property, you know I end up at a multitude of different areas. I think it's important that we prioritize this, that we have a standing committee on housing. You know it's not just about people and low income as well.

F

I get questions now about what we're doing for future housing and I get university. Students that are saying you know with the level of debt they have just getting through school. They're next worry is how they're gonna get housing as the housing market steadily increases each and every year. So I think this is our practical.

F

Next step, as we move forward, I want to thank you for all your work on this I want to thank counselor by tho for all the work that she's on this portfolio, but I think it's really important that we have a standing committee on this. Thank you thanks.

E

Counselor and see any other members wishing to speak because, if not I just will say a few words and then we can call the question if I may I just say thank you to the members for all the support and to the deputies for their support. I.

E

Think if you look at the end result here being a part of an absolutely unrelenting campaign, we have to wage to make this a totally inclusive City, so that all people of all different income groups and backgrounds can find a home here and build a career here and all the things people want to do for their families and if a hugely important part of that- and that includes both on the social side but on the economic side is councillor Thompson referred to, which is to have a city, that's affordable from the standpoint of housing, one of the biggest, if not the biggest expense people undertake and to dramatically ramp up our efforts.

E

I mean, let's face facts, the effort, the targets that were put in place a number of years ago and I'm not being critical I'm just saying was then- and this is now- and the targets that were put in place, which were a thousand affordable housing units approved on an annual basis targets which were not met not once until last year.

E

They were set in 2009 or even, if met completely inadequate, and the fact is if we want to wrap those up as I, surely do and I think you all do from all that I've heard in terms of the remarks made today, then we have to do something different. We have to change the way, we're doing things that I believe that that involve looking at a change in the decision-making apparatus, as it were that existed here and we looked at a number of different options.

E

But we were looking for one that I think would be clean, would be clear, would be focused and would be kind of non bureaucratic, and even the process leading to it would be non bureaucratic. And if you wanted to achieve this, laser-like focus, which is the expression I like to use and I, see some other people happily picked it up today that the best way to do that, having examined options that are put forward by some about reshuffling, responsibilities and whatnot and actually getting into kind of a fairly complicated.

E

You know, shuffling round of responsibilities between and among various committees was not going to be the best that we needed. The laser-like focus of a Housing Committee I mean to me whether we chosen to call shelter and housing I wouldn't have objected to that at all, but the bottom line is it incorporates the challenge of the spectrum, as a number of people said, of addressing housing issues, because that really relates to the question of a laser-like focus on what well I mean it's a laser-like focus on the spectrum of things.

E

This government can be doing to make sure that people are housed better and more affordably, but, in particular, I think everybody has kind of said in one way or another that the supply of affordable housing. That is what I'll call permanent housing as opposed to shelters or other things. I'll add to that supportive housing as well I think that's going to be crucial to this and for that matter, market, rental, housing, because we need that too.

E

You know, but the supply of all of that, especially with a focus on affordable housing, is crucial and I've made the suggestion now as an aspiration and a goal that we should have it's more than an aspiration of 40,000 units over the next 12 years as being something that would involve a substantial ramping up of what we had previously adopted or the previous council at a DA per des ago and together with a focus on doing better, with respect to shelter, doing better with respect to supportive housing and market rental, and that involves having a committee that can put a real focus on partnerships.

E

I think a couple of speakers I think including councillor Thompson and others made reference to the fact that we have other governments. Now that want to be part of this that have a strategy that have money. We have a very committed city staff that know how to do this. We've seen when we try something like open doors, that it can have very positive response and achieve a very positive outcome, and we've seen for that matter this morning that we have willing partners as well from the industry. That's why I asked mr.

E

Chong about the appetite for this between and among his his members. It's it's. Why I know the nonprofit sector really want to participate and they are indispensable partners in this and then as well. The other I'll call it other organizations that support people, whether it's the homeless Alliance, that is supporting people and trying to get them out of homelessness and into housing or whether it's people like the Daily Bread Food Bank, who are trying to pardon me, help people who are needing their services in part because they can't find affordable, housing and so I believe.

E

This is a gigantic social and economic imperative and councillor Thompson covered well the reasons why it's an economic imperative and I stress this in every encounter I have, as recently as this week with business people and by the way, they're beginning to really buy into it. It was before seen I think as a social issue, and now I think people are increasingly understanding.

E

It's a very important social issue in terms of inclusion, but it's also very important in the context of the growth and vitality of our economy and I will just say one more thing and again.

E

I feel this is something that I have to be mindful of when I sought this office in 2014 I expressly included a recommendation to create such a committee in my platform and I received a mandate to do so from the voters and I believe that it's important that that I, that I remind myself let alone anybody else of the fact that I have that mandate to proceed ahead.

E

To do this and I think I'm very comforted by the fact that is supported by a broad range of groups from the industry from the homeless advocate advocacy groups, including others that were named this morning from agencies supporting those who are struggling and so I would ask members to send forward to City Council a unanimous vote of support for this, because I think that will send an important signal that people don't want bureaucratic shuffling. They don't want politicking.

E

They just want us to move forward and actually get the housing in place and built and approved in a much faster and more effective way than we've done in the past. Thank you very much for your attention. Anybody else wishing to speak otherwise I'm prepared to call the question. There are no amendments that have been moved all those in favor recorded vote, okay,.

A

All those in favor councillor Ainslie councillor Bulow councillor Burnside councillor Crawford, councillor, McMann, Mara, Tory, councillor Pasternak, councillor.

L

Robinson councillor shiner sorry.

M

A

Thompson all those opposed it passes unanimously. Thank.

E

You, madam clerk and Thank You committee members, so that would bring us then to item we could deal with. The clerk has just brought this motion forward. Item 35, X 35, point 4, which is the accessibility report, and there were no other deputations or people wishing to make comments. But I just said: I had a motion. Maybe we could put it up. It says it just been distributed.

E

I'll give you the 30 second background which I can do Rick Hansen, who you all know, came to see me and they have a rating system for sort of like the lead system for energy and and and environmental considerations for buildings. They have a rating system for accessibility which they're offering is through a foundation that he's part of and I just wanted.

E

As part of this effort to see to ask the city staff if they would look at options to enhance accessibility through an accessibility certification program so that as we approve or have buildings going forward, there would be a way in which people would know if it was like the equivalent of a LEED certified. Building that this objective third party body could put these certifications on the buildings and I wanted just the staff to take a look at it.

E

So I think it's fairly non-controversial and just accompanies this report, and so I don't know if there's any questions of staff about the report from anybody. Seeing none any questions of me as the mover of this or anybody else wishing to speak to this. But I think it was just a motion to add this on to the approval of the accessibility plan that came forward this morning, and if people are ready to call the question.

E

I'll call the question all those in favor of the amendment, all those in favor opposed or heather carried all those in favor of the item, as amended opposed carried so that disposes a 35.4. Thank you, madam Clerk, and then we go back to thirty five point: two, which is the community council boundaries, and we have two deputations on that, and the first is Miroslav language.

E

Morning, sir, as you know, you have five minutes and so you're most welcome.

N

Five minutes right, I support them in the minimal change staff staff recommendation or quadrant whatever you want to call it one of the problems, if you add a like a fifth council, there's a lot of the emails you got thing on this item is to put a midtown like the middle part. A one of the problems is where you work words that made town council going to meet.

N

One thing that you may not know this helps me here: I'm not putting it on, because I don't hear my voice, accessibility issue, the other counts, the other community councils. Don't have this technology so hard of hearing people. If you add another council, you is gonna, cost you more to make the building accessible under AODA. You know: ask our community council does not have this thing working, it hasn't had it for for at least eight years.

N

All the all the extra caulk cost is not on the report to making it a fifth Community Council, when the exact accessibility side counselors. Can you not have conversation while I'm speaking? Thank you see something like this makes it difficult for me to hear. Thank you and all the extra money is going to goat is too much. Please keep it at the minimal staff recommendation. You know. Thank you.

E

Questions of the Deputy one III, don't belong to a community council and so I, don't know of the device you were holding up there and I can't see that far to know what that is, that a hearing assisted device? Yes, okay, and- and are you saying to me because I was more interested in the fact that you said that at Scarborough, Community Council and in the Scarborough Civic Center that device or something like it, has not been available for eight years? It's there by doesn't.

N

Work and also the that the the topic on North you can discover community councils. Don't get live stream as well, only the downtown one. So.

E

Malir on this, because it's something that I can sort of look into you're saying at Scarborough and the only place where those are available and work is in the data is here yes and and all the other city halls or the other places I haven't been to a tobiko or North York I'm, very surprised to hear that I thought of all people I could ask who would have been to all city halls, but that's fine, I'll, look into Scarborough and perhaps ask about the others and I. That's a very useful piece of information to know.

E

Thank you. Thank you. Mister glavish, any questions further. Mr. garbage, oh you have one councillor, Robinson yeah,.

C

Since you started this topic, you're saying that only Toronto East York is live stream, not the other three community councils. They.

N

Eventually uploaded to YouTube, but it's not yeah, so North Yorks a a community council. It's not a live stream. So if your constituents one want to watch your community council, the can't live. Do.

C

You know, do you believe that's a priority that these community councils, where all the local action is taking place, should be prioritized by the city to make sure those are available to the public I'm real time. I.

N

Would say: community councils are more important because it's more more local, your constituents don't care about the traffic light in in Queen, Queen and young, for example. They care more about the local issues in your world and it should be live stream all for councils and, if you make it five five council should be like you know. Thank.

C

E

In fact, you've added to my enquiry, councillor Robinson through that question, I appreciate it, because I thought the mystery. Glavish was only speaking about the hearing assistive devices, but really it's talking about a broader issue that relates to the streaming and availability and what the equipment is in those different places. I remember when we tried to move the executive committee up there. One of the issues was the lack of availability of equipment to broadcast our proceedings, Thank You mr.

E

glavish very much and thank you councillor, Robinson Jeff, kettle co-president Leaside property owners association good morning, sir you're most welcome here, and you have five minutes to give us your thoughts. Good.

O

Morning, Matt Torrey, my name is Jeff Katella I'm co-president Lisa a probl Association pleased to be here talking on behalf of the our POA, but we do have letters from several other resident associations like Eglinton, Park, South, Eglinton, Lydon park and Sherwood Park resident associations. All asking the same thing, in fact, for a Midtown community council for a fifth council that would reflect the huge growth and development that's gone on in Midtown.

O

Midtown is where it's happening next to downtown, and the the administrative structures have not allowed that area to be given the kind of attention that it deserves. So we look carefully at the interim city. Manager's report very disappointed in that report that it doesn't really examine. It hasn't been very much public input into this whole process. It appears to be rushed through and we would. You would really ask you to turn back the clock on this and and give it more consideration.

O

The Midtown is an area with with similar issues, similar residential established, neighborhoods, similar interests and needs, and this is extremely important to us to get a forum which would serve that that growing large area of the city.

O

The reason that the interim city manager is recommending maintaining for community councils seems to come down to Ministry of ease and and keeping costs down, and that's sure fiscal prudence is is always important, but we believe that option C holds the best model for the for the community and for the city. The what's important is democracy, appropriate governance that allows the best input from residents and citizens and provides for community of communities.

O

We believe that the best option is is option C and we're supported by a lot of opinion in across Midtown. Thank you very much. Thank.

E

You, mr. Patel, are there questions of the deputy I'll. Just ask one of you you this may be one of the arcane procedural requirements you wouldn't be familiar with, but one of the challenges that's in front of us and of course we did have a report and I think in fairness to our city staff. They've been considering this for some time because we've known I guess at least since the beginning of the year that we would for sure have 47 councillors with the need to take a look at this and I.

E

Think they've tried to go about it very carefully because they've been thinking about it before, because it was likely since council had approved the 47, that that would be where we where we went, but you may or may not know that the requirement to actually put this in place requires a two-thirds vote of the City Council and, as is the case with many issues around here, getting the consensus, not just a 50% plus one but of two thirds makes it harder.

E

You know to do, and perhaps not surprisingly to you, the one that's called minimal change, which is the option that was recommended is, is the one that, as often as the case gets a chance of getting over the threshold and if we were not to be able to make a decision on it.

E

It would be a grave problem for precisely the comments that were made earlier on by councillor Robinson, which is that there are so many extraordinary the important matters that they're dealt with there and so Mike that that's not really a question as much as it's a comment to sort of, say: I didn't know.

E

If you were aware that we have to get 2/3, it's not your problem, but it is ours to get two-thirds approval of whatever options is put in front of people, and this one seems to be one that, in addition to having the arguments that were made by city staff, it seems to have that level of support and it's not meant to diminish at all the challenges that I'm very from and I think we all are of Midtown and what it's going through right now.

E

In terms of a pretty fundamental transformation, did you have a comment on that at all? No.

O

No, no, your point is well-taken. It clearly is a significant impediment, procedural impediment and- and also you know, the change wouldn't affect a lot of the city wouldn't affect Etobicoke when in fact scoffs are we really talking about the the young corridor from north to south? That would be affected and therefore it would be difficult to get 2/3 just therefore, by plurality and numbers, yes understood, but nevertheless not been I. Guess.

O

My point broadly, is that we maybe haven't engaged the community that strongly in this in this particular issue, and you know I think there's been a sense that just carry on, but three more councilors is significant and- and we certainly want to leave this on the table for well.

E

I'm sure I speak on behalf of my colleagues in saying that we really appreciate you coming for it and also the fact you're carrying a message from others and I invite you to come more frequently I mean you know. We have a lot of people that show up to speak to us, but the voice of ratepayers, it's heard, but the councillors, of course very regularly, but here it would be most welcome anytime. You feel I'm, not any issue that you want to come forward and express your concerns as.

O

A matter of fact, I'm wearing another hat for another item in a few minutes, all.

E

Good any more questions all right, thanks very much. That brings to an end the deputation. So we would now move to questions of staff by members, not on the executive committee. Are there any questions of staff? Are there any questions of staff by sorry, counselor who said I did see you there questions of staff? Yes, please so.

D

Thank you very much to everyone who put this report together. The report says that you heard quite a few comments from wood 13, the new Ward 17, we're going to get confused with numbers. I know that. Could you explain to me tell me what comments you were hearing from Ward 13 residents? Why were they hoping for a fifth community council? What was their reasons?

D

A

You through the chair we did hear from one third of all. Respondents did come from the current word: 13 new orde, 17 and just under half of those respondents provided comment as to the rationale for their choice.

A

So that was helpful for us to understand what the interests are principles they used to recommend where their wards should be aligned to which Community Council predominantly they were interested in what we commonly referred to in the report as communities of liked interest, so issues a built form, a transportation proximity to other wards where which shared sort of common historic boundaries or political boundaries, as well so staff considered that input.

A

Alongside a lot of other information, we took into consideration, including past council decisions and the kind of the broad commentary that we received from all of the public comments, and the comments from that Ward did share this. This as well. Most respondents, this idea of wanting to remain with their their community.

D

Was of any mention about the the boundaries we have? We have a river a lake. A railway track was only mentioned about that I submit to right now being west of that versus being east of that. So.

A

Significantly, they were interested. The residents who responded to the survey indicated that they were interested in being co-located with wards to the east and not in the atypical, York Community Council. There were some mention of some historic boundaries and we heard also references to location, pre, amalgamation and alignment to the former city of Toronto as well. In.

D

The ward boundary changes part of Ward now Ward 14 is going to be part of Ward 13 I'm, going to stick to the numbers we are now. If that's okay, we're word 14 where which that's downtown community council. Is that correct a current Lord 14? Yes, that's correct! Did you hear from residents in that section about where they would hope or would like to which Community Council they would like to be in so.

A

Again, most people responding to the survey chose an option first and then amended those options and provided us with commentary again. Those members felt like they wanted that felt that the Community Council they were best aligned with was the Toronto East York Community Council I'm.

D

Not sure if you were on service, but maybe it was just to transportation.

D

Like a couple of years ago, the mayor did a motion to reduce the speed limits on major arterial roads, so blur Street, for instance, was reduced from 50 down to 40. Can you tell me where that stopped on the west boundary.

A

Through you, chair, I, don't have that information in front of me. It's certainly something we can provide to you in addition to the 50 to 40 reduction. We also had a number of councils that took an action to reduce the speed limits from 40 to 30 and we've been signing and getting those pieces out on the street since those actions have been taken so.

D

The major arterial road boundary stopped at Keele Street, where my ward boundary started. Just so you know, and whereabouts was the speed, production and all the local streets. What was that boundary through.

A

You I know that the Toronto is your community council took many actions to do speed, limit reductions and then there were others speed limit reductions that happened in other in other Awards and through the community council process. But.

D

Again that boundary stopped at the white line at Keele Street, because again, Ward 13 is in right now Etobicoke Community Council and was therefore not included in that motion. Would that be correct through you I believe that is correct. Thank you very much. As my questions thanks.

E

Ed councillor do that other questions of staff from members, not on the executive committee. Okay, we can move then to questions of staff by members of the Executive Committee. Are there any questions of staff? Okay? If not, then we can I'm sorry counselor, deputy mayor viola.

G

So other than the residents of the current ward 13, there was another couple of boards that had a significant input in this process. Can you remind us again of which, which ones were those.

A

Thank you. There were significant.

P

Input from a Ward 14, sorry.

A

New Ward 14 and some input from new Ward sort of a groupings around Ward, 16, the boundary of 60 and 15 and 18, where they overlapped. Okay and.

G

The new Ward 16, how many community councilors are we combining in that Ward now how many counts in new Ward 16? How many of the using the current boundaries how many community councilors as this community going to be turned into one? Is it three am I correct to say that there's this community is now represented in three different community councils? That is correct. So not only are we dividing some of these neighborhoods we're now merging three community councils into one Community, Council and three-quarters of this neighborhood is in the Old City of Toronto.

G

Is that correct, post among a pre-migration.

A

Yes, okay, thank you.

E

Apologize, your.

I

E

Are finished? Okay, thank you very much deputy Morello, a questions of staff, counselor palacio.

M

Interests me and end this some history to the to the boundaries, of course, and and also and I'm, referring to the Korean War 17 in 2003 and 2004 City Council by then, they made a determination to make a couple changes: the Korean War 17 to be moved to a topical and your community. Cancer is in that thing with it. That's part of your support. Is that correct the.

A

Current 17 is an Etobicoke is jerk.

M

Tree in 2004 city council reverse the decision of having that were 17 in the downtown community concerned and it was transferred to the talk of your community council. That's.

A

Correct in 2000 and.

M

Do you know the reasons why.

A

Cancer I'm not aware of the reason why I'm sorry is.

M

Do you know that there was a tremendous amount of interest from war 17 by Ames to be kept within the topic hoc committee counsel, based on the historic aspects and they're? Almost one-half of the Korean War 17 is part of the for New York, and that was one of the reasons to care the world and the West Community Council I you aware of that. I'm.

A

Now, thank you. Cancer.

M

Now, with regards to most of the input from community consultation comes from Hyde Park in the current world, 13, as well as from Midtown and I'm, not sure where worries is going to be work 14. What percentage in Torun of community consultation comes from those two community councils.

A

The one-third of all the respondents that we received came from the current ward, thirteen new Ward 17, an additional a smaller percentage, was from the other words that you've mentioned. We considered that information, alongside all of the input that we received and our recommendation was to maintain minimal change.

A

E

Thank You councillor Platt, so other questions of staff. Five members, the Canadian Council Thompson.

H

Thank you through you, mr. mayor, the minimum changes that are being recommended now, as we move forward in the future and if there's a recognition that requires us to make changes, is there a process in place or we do we just go ahead and make the changes? Is there a mechanism that allows for perhaps a review after a couple of years or so or perhaps for the next term? What's the what's the sort of process.

G

Through the mayor, I think we.

C

Account, council always have the prerogative to review the boundaries. You'd probably want to work with them for a while, and then we could review and report.

L

Back if there should be any tweaks through the process, and we would work with clerks.

G

In order to do that, okay.

H

I just want to make that clear so that you'd be able to provide the people who are here with a sense of understanding on that. So thank you.

E

Thank You councillor Thompson other questions of staff by members of the committee. All right, then, if not I, would ask for our speakers. First, starting with those, not members. The committee councillor joosep,.

D

Thank you very much and name I'm happy to be here at executive. Talking about this report, I want to thank staff for the report. It really does show where residents of Ward 13 now are coming from on what they are feeling. You saw that a third of the correspondence did from Ward 13 a lot of residents, think they are in downtown community council and when I advise them they're in Etobicoke, they're, very shocked. I have a very active ward.

D

Believe me, a very active ward. We also, as you heard, they talked about natural boundaries. I know when we were looking at doing Ward boundary changes. When I spoke to the consultants we were looking at. How could we add extra residents to Ward 13? It's not easy with a river lake railway track and a park, so we will be taking and welcoming in toward 13 between 2 8 and 10,000 residents from right now, Ward 14. They are in the downtown community council and I understand from their present counselor that they are also very active.

D

So residents comments were along the line of similar Ward's similar built form, similar traffic issues. Similar concerns which come to community council, the items which come to community council. We know that, as I mentioned, the mayor did emotion a couple of years ago to reduce the speed on major arterial roads. My residents assumed low street would be included. Our section of blood Street would be included in that motion, but it wasn't.

D

It stopped at Keele at the world, not quite the white line, but the intersection when downtown Community Council approved reducing the speed on local streets to 30 K I got so many emails from my residents. Saying: congratulations, great fantastic! We had to inform them that. No, that didn't include us. We did I did then move emotion at Etobicoke, Community Council, which didn't pass so again. Residents were very upset and saying: well, what's the difference between our Ward and downtown? Why can't we have the same from from a downtown area?

D

So residents really are saying this is an opportunity to voice their opinion and ask that first they did majority supported option B, which would I understand, include another Community Council, but they also saying that if the city decides that minimal change is the way to go, they are requesting that would thirteen the new Ward 17 will be put to the downtown Community Council, where it was before.

D

2004 I have been hearing a lot for my residence I know the clerk's have been hearing a lot from our residents and I believe that they have some good ideas and some good reasonings for wanting to change. So I am hoping that this isn't just the status quo. This isn't just going to be a done deal. I hope that we can work together and put the new Ward 17 into the community council, which would best represent the items which do come to community councils. Thank you very much. Thank.

E

You councillor, who said other speakers who are not members of the committee wishing to speak on the matter of Community Council boundaries, speakers from the executive committee, capsuleer, Palacio, Thank,.

M

You mr. Thank You mr. mayor I do support the recommendations from staff and I think it makes a lot of sense and during the last few weeks, I've been talking to literally thousands of residents and my caring world 17 is.

M

And this has been one of the topics that came to the forefront and they're totally shocked, to hear that that a tremendous air for back in 2000 informed to bring the woman to worry there could be an attempt to try to create is something new in that a filter committee cancer.

M

Any change to number of community councils will affect not only local residents but the realignment of existing districts and that in terms of service delivery and that's, and which includes the city, clerk city, planning, engineering, construction, Parks and Recreation, miss Bell and licensing standards and tronto building, and so on. So and there is a cost to it, there is a cost to it. So the question is: is how how do we divide an area that has strong ties to two former series, the City of York, and also part of the City of Toronto and I'm?

M

Referring to my world, which it's still almost two-thirds of the were intact to what it is. So it seems to me that that a strong geographic feed or the current community concern with us a strong, diverse cultural backgrounds that we have there with deep roots within the community is going to be tremendously effective, without literally any consultation and I'm saying respectful to city staff.

M

But the community are just learning, and so from that perspective is I saw a couple communications where people are talking about the restaurant, a real part and how that's going to be divided. Just for your information set, the record straight. The West Toronto red path was conceived in my office with my former executive assistant, Mike choleric, who was the champ, and he went on his knees, literally speaking to Metrolinx and together with me, to get the funding. So it's the Islam to talk out there.

M

But having said that, we cannot dislocate something that's been constructed for so long. Finally, we have an area. That's moving forward in terms of creating east and west connections is in along the rail corridor, an area that, literally speaking, ready for economic development, prosperity, that's moving forward with all kinds of developments everywhere and, and those are the strong connections within the community and all of the signs to try to to tell this community.

M

No, you are going to be part of another community castle, that's with the downtown or the me that Midtown, where the boundaries go all the way to Victoria Park there is the torah' disconnect the Torah disconnect it doesn't make sense so I'm in full support. Mr. mayor members of the committee of staff's recommendations, thank you.

E

Xcom, sir plateau other members, the committee wishing to speak deputy mayor viola.

G

This is, this will be the new ward 16 and inside all the blue, and this black here is part of. Would it be what used to be the City of Toronto? So this square over here, which is now part of councillors, call and part of councillors. Palacios area used to be in part of the City of York. So this is a community that is actually coming together from three different community councils. Right now, part of this community is represented in the Toronto needs to our community council.

G

Part of it is represented in a topical part of it is represented in North, York, I. Think, as as it clearly shows, there has been a significant interest in this part of town. There has been after councillors do sets warrant the next response rate. The highest response rate was from this part of town, and this is because this is an this is neighborhoods that are changing they're, going through a lot of changes already being separated north of Bloor south of Bloor.

G

There's enormous important projects that the community has been very involved very hands-on and they have concerns. They were really looking forward to a community council that I was actually going to bring these communities together, and my concern is that they don't feel that that there has been extensive community consultation.

G

We've have received letters from all kinds of residents, associations from what is today Ward 17. What is Ward 18 people are concerned that their that their identity- we are so proud, usually of say this is a city of neighborhoods and I. Don't think we truly looked at this exercise and try to reflect those neighborhoods into our community councils and that's my concern with this exercise. I think that we should have done a better job. I know it's difficult.

G

You have to bring together the politics and the support to get the two-thirds and get you know this need, but we're talking about the future of our city here we're talking about how neighborhoods come together, how residents come together to build better communities and better cities, and what I'm hearing from my community is that they don't feel like. This was a good exercise. They don't feel like this will be good for our community. They do have concerns some of them wanted option B. Some of them aren't wanted option.

G

C I think that we didn't have a robust dialogue with our communities and it's clear that they have issues that date, their concern, that they don't feel identified in the way that this is moving forward. So I cannot support the recommendations, but I've expressed my concerns here.

G

My community there's several letters in here that have expressed the concerns that this community has it's a difficult change for this community again, I remind everybody that these are three different wards that are coming together: three different community councils that are coming together and they're actually separating a lot of the local projects that people have been involved.

G

You know, there's a whole community, just south of lore that that now is going to be an adorably different, Community Council and the residents just on the other side of lore have been very, very active in working in a lot of those projects and shaping those projects and shaping those communities. So the community is concerned, as you can see by some of the letters that you've all received and and I just want to make sure that I reflect and that I've voiced those concerns of the that that I've heard in here. That's that's.

G

Definitely what what I'm here to do and I want to make sure that that their voice is here glad and clear. Thank you. Thank.

E

You deputy mayor Barlow, are there other members of the committee wishing to to speak on this? Well, if not, then we can come to calling the question on the matter. I, don't believe, I, think I'm right in saying there were no amendments put forward, so we can just call the question on the adoption of the recommendations contained in the report. All those in favor opposed all right. One opposed that will have a recorded vote sure all those the recorded vote is on the adoption of the matter.

E

35.2 community council boundaries with without amendment all those in favor.

A

All those in favor counseling, Aynsley councillor.

L

Crawford councillor McMahon, deputy Merriman and wall mara, Tori.

J

Counterplot co-counselor pasternak councillor robinson.

A

Councillor shiner and councillor the Thomson all those opposed.

L

Staff recommendations carry.

E

No trouble causing from you no trouble causing from you counselor deputy marijuana. Okay, that brings us to item 35 point 3, X, 35, point 3, which is enhanced security measures of Toronto City Hall. We have five deputy deputy, the first of which is mirror chat, Miroslav glavish.

E

Five minutes, sir, you know the rules I.

N

Fully support, putting a metal detectors or or or the one if you go, if you go to Queens Park or let's go Parliament, Hill you're gonna go through security. I am sure you have all you know all. Maybe if you have received threats to a times we're on into in 2018, just because you have metal detectors in in the in the Berlin doesn't mean it is going to stop people from coming or contacting you. I have never visited a counselor Ainsley's office.

N

He's my counselor I email, him I, tweet him I won't call him as etc.

N

You know the one issue is take that location of where you put the metal detectors, if you put them right right in front and sometimes there's a lot of people that come to the building to line up outside depending on the weather, if it's true or if it's raining and there's, there's a there's, so many entrances to this building, one in the back one front and bunch of the sides, and if you all know that ramp, you go to the green roof right there, just a side entrance to it, but by the by the bridge to City Quebec the council-chamber.

N

You know also the problem. If you put too much stuff on a Doric it could it people in wheelchairs or mobility devices, it could have a problem. I have no problem opening my bag. If security, if security, ask me, this is a selfish, take I've been asked every time every time what it is. I have no no problem with that. I rather be safe and no matter what anybody says in this room. I know the City Hall has received threats over the past few years. You know my up.

N

My officer, my work has received its 20 thing: everybody likes to send an email or a phone call. It was it's right side, I rather be safe, depending on where you put the metal just or the little one. It could make knots this slowdown. You know in certain controversial items you have hundreds of people coming if we're to write at the front at the front at the front door he can slow down by speeding right, like in the hallway world. That rotunda is I, know that stuff.

N

You know that could make make it faster and again I support the metal detectors on the little one thing. Thank you.

E

Thanks mister garbage any questions of the deputy, alright I. Thank you very much for your time. Well, lead Kigali! Please! Mr. Cote! Yes, sir good morning, you have five minutes and you're most welcome this morning.

Q

And I'm actually candidate in the upcoming municipal elections, but I'm also a community leader and I, would like to share with you some perspectives that I have that has been shared by members of the community, specifically during the focus groups that happened. I also want to raise your attention on the report and the findings of the report, which I find very problematic and I'd like to caution you with regards to moving forward with this item. While the process was very rushed, so some quick points to get you folks to understand what the community wants.

Q

First of all, the consultation that happened over two and a half week period is not sufficient, and your report specifically speaks to that fact. It says the timeline significantly reduce our potential participation um participant numbers, particularly in our outreach efforts to East African, Black, Muslim, youth and young adult groups. That's clearly outlined in the report.

Q

Another factor is that 12 days were allocated for this consultation, of which the focus groups met on three days: April 17th to April 19th, maybe two days. That is not consultation. That is not consultation when it comes to changing the complete setting of what our meeting spaces look like at City, Hall you're talking about draconian rules that will allow individuals to be personally searched.

Q

That is not an easy measure to be just done over a two and a half week, process that needs consultation in its real meaning. The other piece is your report is clearly biased of the hundred interviewed and I'll. Be surprised over that period that a hundred people were actually interviewed. Three percent or three people earned less than $25,000 come on people, everyone else that was reported to support these measures made a lot of money.

Q

So who are you actually consulting you're, not consulting the residents of Regent Park, because at that focus group that I attended they 100% unequivocally rejected this measures. Those are facts. Additionally, it's gonna cost the city three hundred sixty five thousand dollars another one hundred sixty two thousand dollars in implementation, you're spending our money without even consulting us. That's another point for you to consider so I would like for members of council to listen to the community who clearly do not want such spending on making public spaces inaccessible.

Q

The most marginalized members of our community folks will not come to meetings at City Hall. If they're going to be searched personally through their belongings, he might not mind his bag being searched. I do okay, that personal freedoms in this country should protect them and I. Don't think this is a measure between safety and security, especially there's no buy-in from our communities for such measures. Thank you.

E

Thank you, mister kogami. Are there any questions of the decadent councilor burn site? Yes,.

F

Thank you through you.

F

Would you agree that everyone come that under these proposals, everyone who comes into the building would be searched, not search but go through metal detectors or whatever the whether it's being searched or metal detectors. That applies to everyone. That's an anon city employee. Would you agree what.

Q

I will agree with consultation. Well, it's.

F

Not my question respect.

Q

Absolutely question what I'll agree is when the public is on board of such measures, then we should all agree. That's.

F

Not my question my question: would you agree that, under these proposals, everyone is treated equally I? Don't.

Q

Think folks are treated equally in the sense that, as soon as they walk in after those metal detectors, there are mechanisms in this proposal to search their personal belongings, and some folks are not comfortable with that. Okay,.

F

Maybe I equally means the same treatment of everyone, whether you're black white or whatever, your race, religion or otherwise. It would you agree that these measures apply equally to everybody when.

Q

You become when it comes to searching of belongings, as well as the metal detectors, whatever.

F

Q

In here this exceptions to members of council in there don't you report, there are some exceptions right, okay,.

F

Where you might ask the question one more time and then I'll just move on for non city employees. Would you agree that the measures being proposed apply to everyone, irrespective of income or otherwise, but.

Q

That is not safety. If you have what, if a city employee was so come into this space and and shoot an individual or commit a horrific crime that does not make us safe in any way councillor Burnside, he doesn't I just.

F

That wasn't my question, but thanks anyway, I pre know.

Q

I answered your question and that is, it doesn't apply equally to everyone, because you said it specifically, apart from city staff right so you're, excluding city staff,.

E

Okay, are there other questions of this deputy gossip aspect? Would.

B

You say that airport secured he has gone overboard and it's a type of profiling or or the airport, the airlines and our various law enforcement agencies around the right track. Yeah.

Q

I understand the concern with regards to like infrastructure, specifically when it comes to our airports and the need for security, but that his intelligence provided by a security, the folks that are responsible security. If there was a there, was an imminent threat to City Council I think the proper security protocols that are followed will make sure everyone's, not in this space, where they're in harm's way so I, don't think the measures that been put in place make us any safer. I don't want to be walking in our communities where our schools will have metal detectors.

Q

B

Right I was asking whether you thought airport security was overboard. I think.

Q

It's overboard in the sense that we have a no-fly list right now, that has individuals that have not committed any crimes on it and right now our federal government is working tirelessly to do with that issue. So yeah some things have gone overboard. All.

B

Right just one last question: I've gone to New York many times, because my daughter used to live there. We went to various shows and museums and so forth.

B

Almost anything any public attraction that we went into our bags were searched her purse, my knapsack, whatever do you think New York is, is out of touch and they really don't understand the the security you're advocating yeah.

Q

I think so, when we have young children being separated from their parents and put in immigration camps, yeah I gotta touch my friend I've.

B

Never known the Metropolitan Museum of Art to separate their children.

Q

I'm talking about measure security measures that been implemented, teleporter should not be a measure of what our security a parents should be Hank I.

B

Was talking about different country? I understand is iam security and whether you thought that was overboard like.

Q

I'm very clear in my answer: I told you that those measures in the United States are not what we should be putting to as the gold standard when they're separating kids of immigrants who are crossing the border. That's a point of trying to make as.

B

I said: I've never seen the museum, Metropolitan vard, separate adults from their kids when they're entering the museum, but maybe maybe we've gone at different times. Thank you very much. Any.

E

Other questions for the DEP unit. Thank you very much, sir Derrick Moran.

K

Just want to say by me speaking at this meeting, this shall not be deemed to be in any way my consent, Express are implied in doing so. It's fraught god bless her Majesty. The Queen and long live her Majesty the Queen take notice. This is from West Fraser mills limited versus British Columbia workers, compensation appeal to you know. Actually this was from just last month, May 18th, where the Supreme Court of Canada said the principle remains the same. Public power must always be authorized by law.

K

It follows that no statutory delegate and that's what the City of Toronto is its delegated power delegated by the province in enacting subordinate legislation may ever exceed its authority. The rule of law can tolerate no departure from this principle and, as you know, Mara Tory, as a member of the police board meritorious to Xin another recent court decision. So recent, actually it just came out yesterday, I have the cover sheet there Victoria.

K

You might recognize that name there who knew, who knew Chris laingen fellows first name was actually Christian Christian role, blankenfeld and the Toronto Police Services Board and Toronto Police Chief Mark, Saunders, June 18th. Just us today reasons for decision, justice, J :. Well, let's look at what she had to say. Mr.

K

Langan Feld's application is granted in part I make the following declaration: 1 the practice implemented by the Chief of Police in June, 2017 of searches prior to entry to police headquarters in the absence of a warrant or reasonable and probable grounds, as it applies to individuals wishing to attend public TPS B meetings in fringes, section 2, B of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms 2. The infringement of section 2b of the Charter resulting from the searches is not justified under Section 1 of the Charter, because the infringement is not prescribed by law.

K

The Chief of Police does not have the legal authority under either the occupiers liability act or the Occupational Health and Safety Act to impose searches on individuals who wish to attend public meetings of the TPS, be as a condition precedent to the individuals attending the meetings. Further.

K

In this case, I have found that there is no legal authority for the searches the Chief of Police has imposed in the absence of any legal authority for the searches the Chief of Police sought to impose I find that it would not be appropriate and just to suspend the declarations in this respect. I agree with the analysis of the Manitoba Court of Appeal in our versus Gillespie 1999 I have considered whether it is appropriate to suspend these declarations to give the Chief of Police time to comply. I find that it is not appropriate.

K

The courts of suspended declarations of invalidity in relation to legislation under Section 52 of the Constitution Act 1982 in some cases, to allow a legislature time to amend legislation to bring it into conformity with the Charter. I am not aware of any case where a suspended declaration has been we're. Government action, as opposed to legislation, has been found to violate the Charter. Now a few months ago, I was here that I mentioned I got to talk to Doug premier designate Doug for it for the first time, and he told me that you know anything.

K

You need I'm gonna help, I'm gonna need your help merit or to help him. You know hold them to that anything. You need to just pick up the phone and give me a call if you guys feel this strongly about this. The proper channel is I mean it's somewhere out. You're gonna have to you, know, I'm wearing sure. It's gonna have to put your short pants back on territory with your hand out to your new boss at Queen's, Park premier.

K

Doesn't it Doug for us sounds so weird saying that alone and simply ask him to pass legislation allowing these searches to take place, as chief Saunders should have done in the first place. If you read the Police Services Act, it says right there, just as Copeland goes over that there's like five sections where talks about court security cuz, you you know at the police board I flagged this a long time ago and I told everyone. These are unconstitutional searches.

K

You know they're unconstitutional searches by the fact that these court officers, police headquarters is not a courthouse by the way. I don't know if anyone noticed that and the Berea police officers are just standing around watching this go on. If those are real, constitutional searches, they'd be done by the actual police offices and they're, not just go to the premier designate Doug Ford and ask them to pass legislation. That's all thanks!.

E

Very much mr. Moran Derek grant, and so are there any questions of the deputy deputy Merriman and Wong. Did you have a question? Okay.

E

Thank you very much appreciate your being here today. We all took notice of your t-shirt. If you might want to let us know, the supplier had made little.

K

Teas on Yonge Street, east, just north of college, very nice thank.

E

You very much McGill Avila de varela, Velarde, hello, Miguel, welcome.

R

Pouring mr. mayor Torre good day, sir I also have the screenshot of the core decision may just yesterday, you'll notice, on the column on the right of this decision. There are four lawyers representing to the Police Services Board and two representing the Chief of Police. How much does it cost to the city? We know we have a flat rate service for legal services.

R

Right I had given permission by chrislam field to address this committee because, as you probably you're aware, he was giving a one-year notice not to step into the police headquarters because he was his. He was a. He believes that infringement on his rise wearing his human rights were violated, so judges Copeland decision that it's wrong. The police violated mr.

R

landfills chartered to be right to freedom of expression when they without authority, prescribed by law, the manner that he consent to a warrantless search or be forcibly removed from Toronto Police Headquarters, depriving him of his charter to be right to attend in person at a public meeting or government and to address government where that is commonly permitted. Mr. mayor Turin I have been an activist for the nars last nine years.

R

I have come to the police, say racism meeting religiously every month, I have it experienced the same level of violence by police officers, because we had a right to express our opinions. I don't want this to become a fortress, City Hall, where we're going to spend $225,000 on security guards come on. This is not a police estate. This is not the United States. This is not the line of Trump and to the 300 meters. Over there next to Josie is calling. We have met many times with you and we have discuss about your staff.

R

We have discussed how you two behave, you or your staff, and your acknowledged, or did you do in the best, but you cannot control them so their behavior when they abused their authority. So mr. Torre, if you cannot get their staff to behave in a way that you're behaving you gonna have lawsuits I, don't know if you really have the money to fight us, because here's proof my friend Chris has persevered. He has won partly partly so my question to you. Mr. Torre, are you on Thursday? Are you gonna remove the chairs the tables?

R

All this is tab. There are wasting taxpayers money instead of going outside and doing traffic control, maybe helping senior citizens. You know where the shopping, because that's what my community officers do in Regent Park on Sundays. They deliver food to the seniors.

R

Also, there is a huge number of police officers intimidating us at the Police Services Board, and that has to end this is the recommendation I made to you in a personal level mystery as somehow I know you for four years now and I believe that you had the best interests in mind for Torontonians. You should send this motion or the I think into oblivion. Send it away they never come back. We've done it many times here at City Hall.

R

We talk about, they say terms of terms of land for cities counselor for years for eight years, the same thing I said to our joseon's, collie and friends over there they're looking at me right now, bye-bye take you, take you $325,000 and put it somewhere else. Thank you so much and we satori you. You are the one responsible for this doesn't happen. We don't wonder how I will our rise violated again.

E

Thank you. Are there any questions of the deputy, all right, we don't have any for now, but thank you very much.

R

E

You mr. Avila, that's the end of the oh I'm, sorry, but there's one more Surya Ibrahim.

E

Good morning, Emma sea bream, you have five minutes to make your comments.

J

Yes, from Regent Park and I work for the Center for Community, Learning and Development, when the consultation took place today priority the consultation and they call me to book the space. That's not a consultation, that's informing the community members and also targeting who are marginalized communities who are being faced. A lot of Islamophobia who's been targeted and specifically going those kind of community and doing informing the community. That's not a consultation, that's informing and they had to people came to the consultation.

J

I think you should do better job on that, and also looking into the the amount of money that been put it aside for this as citizen, and they could have a free of speech and interacting with elective representative when they come to the City Hall, then putting a barrier and what what makes us unique other than other another part of the world is the interaction that we have with the city representative and see the elective representative that we have the money that putting aside for this kind of stuff they could better spend in a way creating a job for merger.

J

The community, whose young people who are facing a lot of barrier accessing a job, think twice having this kind of issue or a money put aside to invest in security, major than investing the job and poverty we are facing, and we civilized in so many ways. But at the same time, we have a lot of crisis in the community, the homelessness people who are under poverty, and it's it's it's very annoying, seeing the system that they put a place and targeting those community. That's what I want to see. Thank you. Thank.

E

You ma'am are there any questions of the deputy.

E

Oh counsel Davis. Yes, of course,.

P

Just I understand there was a consultation in Regent Park and you were asked book space yep.

J

Two-Day priority, the consultation there was two people showed up on the consultation. That's.

P

What I was gonna ask? That's all! Yes,.

J

I booked the space I, let them in and I loved. They said after I love, there is two people. Well, it invites them to come up at the end of the session. There was two people who came for the consultation: that's not a consultation. Okay,.

P

Thank you very much. Welcome.

E

Thank you, ma'am. Are there any other further questions at the end? Thank you very much. Okay. We then would move to questions of staff by members from outside the committee, and we have councillor Davis here and then councilman Sierra I.

P

Want to ask you about the well first of all about the meetings, how many meetings were there and how many people attended.

S

To mr. chair counselor, if you give me just a couple of minutes, I'll pull that information. If you want to move to the next question, okay,.

P

The online poll it said that a thousand residents responded and then it said it included a hundred Mandarin and a hundred Cantonese speakers. I, don't understand if there were 200 200 out of a thousand were Mandarin and Cantonese. What what were the other participants?

P

Cultural backgrounds through.

S

You, mr. Church, so we reached out to the firm this strategic counsel firm, hold what they believed was represented of Toronto and because of the population of Cantonese. They also tried to pull a specific number of individuals of that it was a hundred of each of those which would have been twenty percent of the total twenty.

P

Percent and what were the do? We have breakdown of the other cultural groups. Why? Just Cantonese and Mandarin I? Don't.

S

Have that breakdown counselor, that again.

P

S

What the firm had decided was the most appropriate reflective of Toronto Wow.

P

Okay, I won't get into any more about the survey. Maybe you can get more information between now and counsel about both the results of the in-person meetings and the breakdown of the participants. It's you, mr. chair.

S

P

Just wonder if you could get some more information for counsel, I.

S

Certainly will counselor if there was six called consultations: counselor, okay,.

P

And the total number of people attending I will.

S

Have that information for you at Council, okay,.

P

I just want to get clear what the proposals are, so the proposal is for people coming to meetings to be screened at the door. Is that correct? The main entrance is there? Their bags will be looked into at the main entrances everyone, but employees go.

S

Through mr. chair, it's not actually at the door and it was specified. There is there's another council report that came out yesterday just to clarify that recommendation. It's actually, if you could imagine in two areas, yeah in two areas, one by the security desk, if you imagine drawing a imaginary line across that area into the service candid area, and sometimes that would move depending on events in the rotunda to closer by to the tower elevators.

S

So there are carriers that you would come into City Hall without having that baggage checked and one of those key areas: the library, the cafe and perma deli. Okay,.

P

The council chamber there will be metal detectors, people walk through and wands. That's what I'm Fred here. That's.

S

Correct to council.

P

That it'll be wanded up and down their legs and around their back and just like in so airport. So.

S

Three mister chair council.

P

Yes or no, please, because I just want to understand it's.

S

Unfortunately, yes or no answer, the answer is no, not everyone would be wanded. Only individuals.

L

S

Set off the detector which detects at a certain area and then that area that specific areas check- this is not airport screening. This is very similar. The Rogers Center, the ACCA screening, um eight to twelve seconds per person and.

P

That just it also says an equity lens will be applied to these procedures. What is an equity lens being applied to these procedures? I think.

S

That's probably best asked answered by my colleague from a DHR.

P

And if maybe I can get that outside of, is it gonna take a while I got one more question quickly.

G

Quickly, the equity lines will it through you, mister chair, the equity lens will just involve working with corporate security on the implementation, to ensure that measures are put in place to ensure that the implementation will result in equitable outcomes, so, for instance, that people will not be discriminated against training and those kinds of things all.

P

Right finally, my last question: it also now will require people to enter the chambers and only use the tower elevators and so I'm wondering. Would that not put more people into the tower elevators and then the possibility of going up and into the towers.

S

That's you, mr. chair, yes, people would go through those elevators I can't see the reason they would continue into the towers, but again those individuals would already be bagged screened. That would just be the additional level screening and the area we're concerned about. The additional scrutiny is just the council chambers.

E

Okay, other questions of staff by councillor NCRA thank.

A

You so the six consultation meetings that were held where we they held.

S

Council they were held in various locations. I think the details are in the appendices with the number of people there, just it's just not together and and we'll make sure we have that for council. What we did was we worked with IDI HR with the Human Rights office procured specialists in that area. To then do these consultations in the community? Okay,.

A

Can you explain to me recommendation three and four: please.

S

Absolutely counselor so.

A

Placing the ropes and then so.

S

Recommendation three is really quite simple: what we're asking for we originally said in a committee room. We would like a waist height glass feature to give us opportunity to respond in a situation where there was a disruption in the committee room. What we've come back and said instead is allow us to simply in times when the committee room is, is very full or very charged on an item where there's a reasonable sense of having a disruption that we can move.

S

These imagine just some some stanchion lines that we could put up that would provide a bit of a delineation, so of an individual was crossing that that's when we would deal with the situation. In that case, it's just to give the security staff when they a bit of extra time to deal with the situation and for and and for all we're asking for and for is. There are areas where there's ropes in the council chambers now we're asking to complete that with glass. So just finish, the area with glass, so.

A

Replace the ropes with glass: that's.

S

A

All around the council chambers, yeah.

S

There's a to you, mr. chair, there's only actually one one key area, and that is right in front of the podium. So you just have a sliding glass door in that case and then there's the two ropes that keep people keep pulling up and down the whole council chambers that were replaced with just a glass swinging door. That's all! Okay,.

D

Thank you, you're.

E

Welcome Thanks councillor Dan Sierra are the members of the committee any other members of council visiting with us here today that are not on the committee. Okay, then it would be time to move to members of council who have questions and I see councillor Robinson wanting to ask just.

C

Some clarification, I missed the part about the glass I, wasn't clear, aware where the glass is going through.

S

Mr. chair, so in the council chamber only yeah, there are ropes that are in front of the podium, the lecture, podium yeah. So there's two sets there. We would like to replace those ropes by continuing the glass wall. I see so a continuation of. What's.

C

There, continuation of what's there okay! Thank you, that's very clear and then also just how do I phrase this there's a lot of it's not really even a security issue, it's more disruptive to the people in the back row who sit in the back row councillors who sit in the back row we're often getting our shoulders topped on by not just members of the public, actually other councillors, staff who are trying to connect with their counselor. But it's hard when you're trying to concentrate and focus.

C

Was there any thought given to exactly see I can't talk anymore, he's topping my arm. So um is there any thought being given to just that piece where the the glass goes up a bit higher or because also people come up and and what security says and clerks the clerk's division? Is we're not supposed to be talking to people when we're voting? That's a procedural rule, and yet this is happening all the time to the folks in the back row.

C

So was there any thought given to just raising that a bit more so that wasn't that disruption wasn't taking place? Given that we're doing the work now, potentially it just seems to make sense to make do it all in one fell swoop. So.

S

Three or mr. chair, that is in the report, where we recommend increase in a glass height by thirty centimeters, but only if the metal detectors are not approved. There's a couple of different issues and I can't speak in camera about the reason for that. I can't speak without going in Carrollton to that. But what we've said is: if you don't approve that we would like to increase the glass height by thirty centimeters. We realized as a difficult piece. You wouldn't typically have your desk chair facing your exterior door.

S

It doesn't make you feel all that comfortable and.

C

So that's the next question. Thank you for that. It's just it was there any thought. I know this would be a big undertaking, but flipping the council chamber, so we were actually facing the audience facing the residents that have come. Has that ever been thought of counselor.

S

I've been here 25 years and I can't think that it's ever as.

C

If that how most most chambers would be configured that you would be facing the audience so you're seeing me so.

S

It's are you, mr. chair. All the city halls that we had visited in in regards to this and had heard from it is that is the setup you're facing the individuals. It is a unique setup that our council chambers has okay.

C

So it's it's a typical. What we have is not the norm by any means, and then the last question is what's the least expensive option having ongoing staffing doing security work, or you know that just increasing the size of glass, the glass or some of the other measures you were looking at for committee rooms, the.

S

The three mr. chair, the staffing required in the council chambers to do the council chamber setup, is $50,000. It is not the biggest sum of money which is for the staff on the main floor from a security sense. That is greatly the most preferred. If you look at the benchmarking, you look at the City of Calgary, the City of Edmonton. That is what they have. We would just be on par in that area with them, but still very far below legislators and US city halls and all those type of things so.

C

Just to be clear, if I don't know where my time's up I.

E

Think you're, okay, okay,.

C

Just one more question, so just just to be clear: Calgary and Edmonton how they have implemented, what model I.

S

So mr. chair, the Calgary and Edmonton have both since the domestic terrorism level was raised to medium, assess their security and have raised they've done two things. They raised the glass in their council chambers by the way, but they've also implemented, walk through metal detectors outside their council chamber prior to entrance to the council chambers and from my understanding, speaking to them, it has gone very well. Okay,.

C

So they there they've implemented both. They have.

S

C

And Edmonton, thank you. Thanks.

E

Councillor Robinson councillor Thompson Thank,.

H

You, mr. mayor, through you to staff I'm looking at what is described as I guess, the survey, the enhanced security measure in City Hall a summary survey. It ask questions like question number 11, which of the following categories: describe your annual household income.

H

Can you tell me why that's important with respect to security.

S

Three mr. chair I will ask if my colleague, either in Stratcom or an eID EHR, can assist, but what we did with the questions was we've requested. We gave the report to the strategic council firm and we asked them to come up with the questions based upon the industry, standard and industry knowledge. Then we passed the questions through the Wright's office and strategic communications, but I guess my sorry.

H

To interrupt you, but like what does it matter like if I made $5,000 someone made $100,000 coming in to security, to pay sake, lees to do what? What's the rationale? I? Don't understand that.

S

I'm sorry counselor I can't answer that question. I can certainly get back to you on that answer, but I don't have that answer. Cross I, counselor.

E

If I can help, I mean I would say that without exception in a hundred percent of all market research, and all polls done there's a standard battery of what are called demographic questions that are asked and that it would be asking every poll without exception. What do you make what we know? How old are you if you live in a house or an apartment, so so.

H

Then I guess my next question. It seems that the survey seems to focus on blacks, aboriginals and Muslims, and so on. I'm, just wondering: where is the white people that are being asked? The questions to.

S

Mr. chair, the the survey to be clear, the polling and the survey was done over the telephone or in chart not over the cell phone over the Internet or an intercept. The facility community consultations was done for those groups and we got the rationale.

H

Of those groups was.

S

A white groups through the edho, that's, perhaps a question that all Mokka better answer.

G

Mr. chair, the the survey was asked of everybody, including what white people Torontonians a whole range of Torontonians, but the focus groups were what we did on determining which groups required further consultation. Was we looked at the deputations that were made when this matter first came to county committee, and we also looked at? We did some research on the communities that ha that research indicates are obviously are most affected by policing and security, and that's how we came up with these communities. So the black community, the Muslim community, communities of people with disabilities.

H

Thank you very much. You know, mr. mayor now I understand whether people are coming in asking and having the issues around policing and so on, because it seems to me I guess, I'm looking at a different perspective with respect to a report. And/Or an analysis or a survey asking about security in a building which would be quite different from security.

H

External of the building seems to me that and I'm sorry, I'm speaking, it appears, but it's see, I'm a little confused even reading these things, because I can't understand how we have sort of segregated and separated our approach to security with respect to a building where every person is allowed to enter I. Think you treat everybody the same. This report doesn't reflect that it seems to be quite something different and I understand.

H

Now the anger that I'm hearing from the members of the public, that's here, I think we really need a reset on this I'm all for security, but this process doesn't do it for me with respect mr. Mann well, but.

E

You'll have a chance to address that in speeches. Obviously, but I hear what you're saying yep, okay other. What we were on was questions of staff and we had two counselors from a committee that had questions of staff. Are there any more questions of staff? You know, maybe just on that, because I think that's a really important point that came out, but I just am Not sure that the five I thought I heard and maybe I'll ask the questions of staff. Again.

E

Was I right in just hearing you answer the last question of councillor Thompson, which was and I'll just put the clock on here that the reason that you pursued the group was because either there were deputations, those groups made or members of those groups that expressed particular concerns or because well just maybe I'll start with that. Yes,.

G

Correct that was what that was, that the primary driver that those were the communities that have expressed particular interest in security and accessing this excess in City Hall. If additional security measures are put in place, but.

E

That wasn't based on you, thinking that up that was based on deputations. They had made as part of the process. That said, they had particular concerns. It.

G

Was the combination of that- and we also have the city- has an equity lens tool that we also used to to make these kinds of decisions? So we also apply the equity lens tool to help us identify the communities that might require further consultation. All.

E

Right, maybe you could help us with that, because I think I was just gonna. Ask you sort of. Could you without going back to the sort of core purpose of your office? If you could sort of just describe, you know what? What does the equity lens that this was asked over there on I, think by councillor Davis or somebody? What does this equity lens tool mean visiter? What happened here, which was that there were groups but particular groups that were given additional consultation?

E

Can you put the two dots together the equity lens and what happened and offer us an explanation? I'm.

G

Happy to do so, I'm three mr. chair the process, what we do well, this was a recommendation to angry.

E

Counselor I'm asking this question in part for your benefit, because I think there was a bit of confusion about so I. Just hopefully would hear the answers, because.

E

H

You were saying it you're, asking question for my benefit.

E

Meaning- and you were one the raise points on this and I just thought- the answers would be useful to all of us when we come to.

H

Know why I wasn't being disrespectful I'm, just simply saying that I understand, that's why I can go ahead so.

G

Yes, so in through that process, so we based on the deputations and the communities that express concern when this matter first came up, we worked with corporate security to identify those key like how the ideal engagement mechanism for those particular communities so through the through those consultations we suggested we worked with corporate security, to figure out experts within those communities that could help us hear from those communities. So that is that is our process with the equity lens, when communities identified that they have a particular concern or an interest in a matter.

G

We do general consultation and ensure that they're involved in it, but also to to see if there are any particular issues so that that is the process that we followed here all right, but.

I

It was primarily.

G

Through the deputy, the people who, through deputations include indicated that they had particular control.

E

If you'd received deputations from people who were Asian and and Greek Orthodox and they'd, expressed particular concerns about how the security measures affected their groups, you would have done the same thing that in convened the focus group or some such thing of those people to say. We want to probe a little further to get information to make sure we can address your goods.

G

And that is consistent with the city's focus and equity in general and acknowledging that some measures don't necessarily affect everybody the same depending on where people are in terms of the equity seeking identities. And so that is the process that we engaged. But we did that, in addition to consultations, the survey that was open to a broad range of the community of the Toronto population- and you will see from the report that it does reflect reflect that so.

E

To be clear, the final question: for me, the purpose was not meant to be a sort of negative question that somehow singled out groups on the theory that they somehow represented a security risk or was already or that, but but rather it was meant to be helpful.

E

To make absolutely sure that groups that had expressed a particular concern had a chance to be heard in more detail as it were, and so that you could apply the equity lens to that in order to make sure those groups had been heard from and that their concerns were taken into account. Whether whether that was successfully done or not is another question in terms of the security measures. But that was the purpose of all the survey.

G

Absolutely that is absolutely the case that it is intended to provide those communities with an opportunity so that we don't come here and hear from the communities that their particular interests were not addressed. All.

E

Right now, I supposed to have one more and it really is directly relevant to what was said by some of the deputies, which is. Do you feel because you sat I, don't know whether you have tuned personally, but you certainly oversaw this conduct of extra consultation of those groups who had made deputations with particular concerns? Do you believe that the measures that are now recommended in this report were responsive in some way or other to what those people said in that extra consultation that was undertaken at your behest because of the equity lines? Okay,.

G

That's a difficult question to answer for a couple of reasons: the reason being the primary the the consultations when we were consulting with communities. The recommendation at that point was the metal detectors at the entrance to City Hall, and there was clear there was. It was clear from those communities that there were some serious concerns with that, so the so to some extent, the the proposals now actually reflect some of those concerns will the will the communities be what this communities be happy with these proposals?

G

I, don't I, don't know, but I can't say that this is a move from what this is a move from. What was this is less these? These measures are less stringent, I. Guess then what was what was consulted on? Could there have been additional consultations?

G

You know always there could that could have been. However, we worked with subject matter experts with who work with in the communities to develop these processes. Thank.

E

G

I just add that the intention is that, if these, if these recommendations are adopted, that we will continue to work with corporate security and with communities on implementation, but our office, we provide an advisory function and we facilitate these kinds of conversations, and we did that in this case and corporate security work closely with us. Thank.

E

You what committee members indulge me asking one more question of the city solicitor, because this court case was referred to and I must say: I had not seen the results of it at police headquarters and that's a very germane question and just asked the city solicitor. Does that Court case? Give you any doubt as to whether there's any question as to the legality of the bag search.

F

No in the context of this report, we don't see this as directly.

A

Applicable to what's going to counsel on this item, the the court was actually very careful to limit their reasoning to the arguments that were being made before them by the police and they they determined that fundamentally, I gather this was more of an administrative policy. Fundamentally, they determined that that they didn't see Authority for that action being taken, so that kind of cut the whole Charter analysis off right there. It wasn't it wasn't a limit prescribed by law. So the shorter answer is, we don't see it as precluding the recommendations that are before you do.

E

We have the authority then to do yes. Yes, thank you. Sorry about that extra question. I apologize any other questions of staff. Well then, I guess we could move to speakers. I don't have a list at the moment. I beg your pardon I'm. Sorry, who's got their hand. Oh I'm, sorry, counselor, burn site.

F

3-3 staff, whatever there.

F

Thank you, okay. So, in your experience, do you find that different groups of different levels of engagement on.

G

Issues I mean are three.

F

On this issue on this issue, yes,.

G

F

Was part of your effort to in terms of doing consultations in certain areas to try to engage groups that may not other it's being engaged? That's.

G

Correct that was in fact the intention thank.

F

E

Thanks Council Burnside other other questions of staff. Well, then, we can move on to speakers and I. Don't presently have a list. Is there somebody who wants to be on that list? Councillor Davis yeah, okay, over to you.

P

Thank you very much. I I do want to say that the consultation process, while it attempted to be comprehensive, I, think there's some serious flaws with the results and the conclusions that were drawn and how they're reflected in the report on the survey itself. When you actually look at those who come to City Hall, even though the conclusion drawn is that 79 percent fully support more security screening, it's really 5050.

P

It says City Hall visit those that actually come to City Hall 48 percent support using these measures and and 49 percent think the city is prudent. So there was not I, don't believe at all in this survey result a strong conclusion of those who actually come to City Hall that there was a need for increased security measures. Secondly, I do understand and I appreciate the outreach to the indigenous Muslim and black community to try and get a better sense of their views.

P

Considering the history of exclusion that we know is very real, but if you look at the results from that outreach, it is very clear that there was strong opposition to using these measures.

P

So we did an additional outreach and it was clear that there was opposition, particularly in the indigenous community and in the black community, so I don't understand the choir and how these conclusions are being used to support the measures that are before us and on the measures themselves. I, don't believe that having metal detectors and metal wands to screen people going into City Hall, it's an appropriate approach in a democratic institution like City Hall. This is the people's place and this is the place where people should feel welcomed and I.

P

Don't believe that using metal, wands and metal detectors sends a signal that people are welcome here. I'm also, not convinced that the approach to send people up the east and west elevators is an approach that will work because in fact, what we're doing then, instead of isolating those people isolating meaning trying to separate who are employees from who are attending council meetings becomes even more blurred. You have employees and people going to council getting onto the same elevator elevators, so it seems to me if you really want to focus on people coming into the chambers.

P

There has to be a way to to do it differently than is recommended here, and what I was struck by is I still don't really understand what the proposal is. Did.

P

What I heard from mr. Nicol was that if we didn't go with metal detectors, then the glass walls would be heightened in the council chambers.

P

I'm, not sure where that is in here, but I haven't read that so I I don't support either of those measures and I do believe that City Hall is a different kind of place. It's a workplace, it is our.

P

It is the place that people of the City of Toronto come here not just to participate in the democratic says, but they come here to do business with the city. All of our offices are down here. We have shut down the Planning Department, the building department. All of these other services that used to be available in places like the East, jerk, Civic, Center and I, am hopeful that sometime, we will see a report that says those services will be restored to our community based Civic Center's. But people come down here to do business.

P

It's a very different place than the legislature so to somehow create this high security or these other security measures from people coming to do business with the city, I think is quite inappropriate. I have always felt safe here. I know there are different sense of security here amongst councilors I, just will say personally, I've always felt safe here and I've always had confidence in the work of our Security Division to make sure that we remain safe. Thank you. Thank.

E

You councillor Davis council, bright side.

F

Thank You mr. mayor, not surprisingly, I, have a different opinion than councillor Davis. Ultimately, I think this is about all right, but you know the difference is I. Had the manners not to interrupt you, but in any event, this is really about balance and finding that balance and when I hear people's place, I mean it's very catchy, I get it. When we talk about doing business, I get it, but we're, on the one hand, we're talking about the council chamber, we're actually not doing business with the public.

F

It's our it's our opportunity really to debate issues and and discuss issues the idea of the people's place. Well, okay, fine, but we already know when people come into the council chambers. Their bags are already are checked. We also know that if you want to do business, I think the closest one can get to democracy is actually doing business with your counselor and we all know that doors locked right. You can't get to the council office without signing in getting a badge and and some other rigmarole.

F

So I I personally find some of these arguments quite a bit off. I appreciate and I: don't actually normally thank staff because I think that's just always what we do.

F

We thank staff and it becomes meaningless, but I would like to thank the efforts, have staff reaching out to the other or communities that we feel our marginalize trying to get their opinion and I know you've had it from all sides today, kind of a damned if you do damned, if you don't so I, do want to thank you for your efforts and I I am supportive of the what I think is actually a compromise. Thank You.

H

Councillor Thompson. Thank you very much. Mr. mayor, when I was reading the survey last night, it was a little bit confusing and perplexing actually through your questions. That was helpful with respect to staff, providing a better sense of the survey itself and the whole process, and so on. So that's rather helpful, I. Think of this environment as the people's environment.

H

So anybody could come I, don't think about it as being a specific group who see a particular perspective that is unwelcoming to City Hall as such, there are other areas in our society where I would say that that argument actually holds true I, don't see the halls of City Hall and the doors of City Hall, suggesting that only certain types of people come or in fact belong here, but I do believe, and so this was the issue for me. The clarification is helpful.

H

I have long call for additional security measures here at City, Hall I have long supported other measures and support the signing in the whole process. There was a process that we worked through. Motions of I had moved forward with, because I felt and still do to this day, but there's a necessity for this building and any other facilities in this city to ensure that they can protect and safeguard.

H

Not only the people that work there, but the people actually come there as well, I've been to other places across Canada and elsewhere in the world, where the level of security that we here would seemed extremely just out of the norm. To those other places, I've been to places where people have guns and that's not what we're talking about I've been to places where people are actually having sniffing for bombs and things like that. That's not the level of security that we're actually talking about I've, been to places where you can simply walk in.

H

This is such a place, but as we see that the world is changing and things are changing, we can't presume for one moment that we shouldn't do our best to protect the very people who actually come to this environment and those who actually work here. I think that we have an onus and an obligation to do that. While I may question the process of the survey, because I think maybe it could been done differently or even just the explanation.

H

Quite frankly, I don't question the judgment of the staff with respect to the security or the needs that are here. I, fully support that I was in New York I went through the New York City Council in the City Council a building even before you get anywhere near the building. You actually have to go through a complete security process and so on. Your bags are Jack. If there's a need for wanting and so on. You have to do that: Major, League, Baseball, the basketball and all of these folks.

H

When you go to an arena or facility. Your chair, I think it's a very you know, sort of normal situation in current day activities, and so on. We hear about the varying levels of security threats and so on globally.

H

I think that we tend to fall into a sense of you know feeling that we will never be that group that's affected and- and that could never happen here in City, Hall I'm afraid it can I hope it never, but I'm also prepared to provide measures and ensure support measures that can help us to as a minimum deal with any threats or any unwanted situation that comes about through the process that our staff is able to identify.

H

I've seen and I've been in the council-chamber where people have stormed the chamber, I know how that feels and I understand that that could still be done, but as a bare minimum there's going to be some element of some berries that helps to just protect the interests in the back of the councillors were sitting in the very back row. We are largely sitting ducks upstairs.

H

Should someone really want to do something because there's no real place to go if you're, smart enough and recognizing, if you were sir suffered, not to be so that somebody were to come and want to do damage? It would be very problematic, so I do support what we have and I again I question the whole process. I want to make sure, because, when I think about this building, I don't think about it being limiting to anybody's access. So when you're, looking at only certain groups, I'm thinking well, what was the reason and rationale for that?

H

And so because this is the people's building. That includes everybody here, the folks that are spoken to us here today and everyone else, but I do think. Security is important and I too want to thank miss Nichols and the team and miss C only as well, because I know there have been time when I've had you in my office, I said Dwayne. We need to increase the level of security in this in this building. So for that reason, mr. mayor I'm supporting the recommendations that are in front of us. Thank.

E

Out to Thompson councillor Platt Co.

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mayor I do support most of their recommendations and, within the report and I wanted to thank city staff, I believe that they are doing an exceptional job in terms of providing safety to all not only to most concentrate but to staff overall and those who attend our meetings personally, I never ever felt dread in any way whatsoever, either here or what any other and community council meetings that we got to I, never felt threat when I had to chair and huge meanings of the castle chambers, with hundreds and hundreds of people with over overflowing crowds, very often with quite a bit of excitement there, but the proactive measures that city staff have taken and in them sometimes having even the police around that was exceptionally well thought out and well done.

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So from that perspective, in terms of being closing in terms of welcoming people, this is people's place.

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This their own home and to me, is a sacred place in terms of being true Civ and keeping it that way as much as we can I know that the security measures that have been that we have spoken in the past in terms of protecting the premier of square- although that's great, that's great because is on the side of caution as much as we want the place to be accessible, safe and secure for all Torontonians that Security's extremely important, so I get it all of that.

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But I just want to share something with you and my grandson. He comes to a he lost, consider got to watch the our meetings, especially council meetings and with his friends and all of them, and that sense of freedom of coming in and just to be able to participate in to listen and and sometimes they're, very shy.

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They don't want the moment that I think that and I'm referring out recommendation number two if they're going to be screaming whatever I'll, so a student that they can to their chambers to learn about knispel governance and whatever else so I have some concerns. With regards to that, with that specific recommendation, number two, the other ones, I think that I'll be all current and those are my comments. Mr. chair Thank.

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Just be very brief, mr. mayor I think just given the unique configuration of the council chamber and I'm certainly not moving a motion today, but I will canvass my colleagues to chat with them a bit further between now and council, but if, indeed being practical, they're altering the glass of the back I would recommend less from a security standpoint but more from a disruption.

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Standpoint increasing the height of the glass, because it's really that chamber is a hub of activity and it's very hard for those of us who don't have great hearing to concentrate and to really engage in the proceedings. We're constantly being interrupted when we're supposed to be voting which security come and they do their absolute best job to try to stop that from happening. But I did chat offline with clerks and they have pushed security very aggressively to make sure they're stopping people from talking to us when we're voting. But amendments are flying at us.

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Conversations are happening. People might even be lobbied at council, so there's a lot of activity and so I'm not asking for a huge extension in the glass I'm not trying to create a zoo effect, but just to raise it a little bit.

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So those of us who are in the back row or and I may be or may not be down the road who knows, but so I'm really advocating for all of Council that they're not being disrupted while we're trying to meet as a council and make critical decisions that affect the future of our city.

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So I think it's conducive to more effective council meeting just to raise out a bit, and so I would just plant that seed with my colleagues and see what you think and we could talk about it further between now and Council, but other than that. I support the you know: I'm not crazy about these these measures because it does feel a bit Airport ish and it's unfortunate. We have to go down this road, but it does see it is the way of the world, and so we have to embrace these.

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These measures that maybe not all of us are particularly comfortable with, but I would just I would just wrap up by saying I think we might consider just extending that glass at the bit if they are replacing the whole area and maybe they're not, but just just adding a few inches to reduce the disruption from not I'm. Not it's not really the public, it's actually not the public, it's more others, its staff and etc, and our own staff that are trying to contact.

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You know counselors in the that are in the horseshoe, so I'll leave you with that thought.

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Thanks said councillor Robinson and the others wishing to speak, I'd like to say a word if I could I.

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This is a very difficult issue and I'm, not a security zealot. You know, I get some interesting and my chops of interesting correspondence and encounters with people that surprised you in terms of the people out there I think are by and large, more so than anything else disturbed, but I.

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Think and I think that that's something we have to think about here is that it only takes one person oftentimes somebody who's disturbed, who has not necessarily a motive, but they do have a disturbance and I think we've seen from a lot of the things that have gone on here and elsewhere, that you know that you can't protect a hundred percent against people who are disturbed but that nonetheless there are things you might reasonably do and I I was not one.

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In fact, I was with those who think it was most of us who sent back the original report for more work, and the result that came back to us and I do want to thank our staff, because they've worked very hard on this and tried to sort of thread the needle with respect to keeping it an open place, but at the same time providing in 2018 for some reasonable measures that might make sure that I guess in it doesn't matter what order I think it's important to say, though the public who are in the building which I think accomplished.

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Councillor Thompson was talking about the employees who work in the building, our staff, colleagues and then others, including ourselves and I. Think in some respects were the smallest and and the least important group in the context of of a particular concern, but there's hundreds and thousands of other people.

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The council meeting itself would have sometimes several hundred people that are in there and if something goes on in that chamber, the the likely you know damage, that's gonna be done, is done to members of the public that are in there, as opposed to necessarily politicians or staff members, but it doesn't matter, I mean a person. Is a person and I sort of have been like councilor Thompson I've, been to many democratic institutions. I think was what councilor Davis referred to and I would say that. Well, it doesn't make it right or wrong.

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This is a place that has less bordering on no security in it and and is way less than many other places that I've had the good fortune to be visiting and I. Think if you look at it vzb some of the places councillor Thompson was referring to as well. If you look at an army base or if you look at a coal lab a hospital, even a hospital, you know parts of a hospital like trying to get into where the operating rooms are and whatnot there'd be way more security than there would be.

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Even with this report implemented and so I think the task that the staff had in front of them was to come up with reasonable measures and I think by implication, when we sent the last report back for further study, we accepted the perimeter of the square, but we didn't accept the rest of it and you'll recall what was recommended. There was wanting at the door at the front door and Bank searching and I think maybe even metal detecting.

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But there was all those things happening at the front door, and this report is now a far cry from that in that it is moved the the only bag search. That's all that's left of all that now is Bank search for non-employees people without a card back from the doors, so that the other parts of the front of the Rotunda are open to people, including permit alley and the cafe in the library and whatnot and then upstairs. You have.

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You know slightly more intrusive checking for people who are in a very confined space, where we've had discussions before one of the first things that I heard when I got here from councillor.

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Thompson was a request for a report on if you got into an emergency inside that council chamber, given its particular configuration, which was more about design than it was at the time, perhaps about safety, that there would be problems with that, and it is a very confined space and so I think what has been done is a reasonable set of recommendations that take into account the heart of historic, called me right up to last month or the month before, and the current context of 2018 and the realities of what happens in iconic, public buildings and I should remind members of council and I, don't think I have to with most of this group here, but members of the public.

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Perhaps the genesis of this came from a request that was made of the security experts, the security agencies and the police as to generally in Toronto. What public buildings might require further attention in 2018 in light of what had happened elsewhere in the world, and the answer that came back was that there were a number of those public buildings, including places we go for concerts, we've seen what happened in England.

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In that regard, and in Paris other public buildings and another building that was deemed to be a quite appropriately iconic was was City Hall, simply because it's the City Hall, it's probably the best-known building next to the CN Tower, maybe alongside the CN Tower that we have here and when I compared it as I said this morning and talking to the media that to what you experienced at Queen's Park, it's almost exactly the same thing: there's some checking at the door- it's quite modest, but when you want to go right into the chamber where there are large numbers of the public there, plus the legislators, they're slightly more screening, almost identical to what's being proposed here, I think in terms of metal detectors and so on, and so I I am not I'm, not as securities out.

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If the recommendation was, we should do, nothing. I probably would have said well, if that's what the experts kind of say, even though 2018 is a and 2017 and 2016 have been disconcerting times. I would have probably said that was fine with me, but I sort of think.

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What we've now done is we've gone back to our staff and said we thought what you put forward at first was too much they've now come back with something that's considerably less and I think in the circumstances it strikes a balance and I think, as many people have said, and I addressed this question in particular to some of those who express express concerns that I think are about implementation.

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That I want to see us do that very carefully, and our staff have said in the remarks today they're going to do it very carefully, with the ultimate view being that we don't want anybody and in particular any group, but we don't want anybody to feel they're coming in here in such a way that the building is not accessible, whether we're taking reasonable and I think fairly minimal precautions compared to other public buildings to make sure that everybody, including them, is safe, so I that that's that that is my remarks on this anybody else.

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That wants a chance going once going twice. If not, then I think we're ready to call the question and I don't think there have been any amendments. My correct so we're just calling the question on the recommendation and so I'll ask for all those in favor proposed carried unanimously. Were you opposed counselor patio.

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We break for lunch. There was a couple of items that I held and I can probably clear them off of here. If you want fantastic.

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One of them was the additional motion by my colleague, councillor Crawford, in regards.

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To the memorandum, yes, don't, sir.

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My havoc I have no problem. Putting afford I just one of the chance to read it all right. Counselor.

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China had held that so because it was distributed right at the moment we were convening. Are there any questions of staff on the item? 2030 5.26. Pardon me, 46, I'm, sorry, are there any questions of staff? Are there any speakers in which case then it's a this? Is an item brought on by counselor, counselor, Crawford and I'll. Ask the question: there call the question that all those in favor opposed Carrie thank.

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You thank you. Torrey I had also held item 35.7. There was one speaker for it. Mr. Jeff Cattell who's here.

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He sent a letter in from font row. My colleagues have also been working on it. We have some motions, that'll, send it off for some further referrals, and hopefully some reports back and mr. Cattell said with that in mind and we're setting off this letter, at least in if committee supports.

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It to look at his concerns. He was happy not to speak because he actually has something at one o'clock he'd like to get to so you're, okay, not to speak Jeff, I, just I, don't mind moving my motion and my colleague has two.

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Other motions to move and if.

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We can just vote on them, we can get rid of.

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So let me just ask if there any questions of staff on that item by anybody, not here from and any questions of staff right, then we can go straight to speakers 35. Yes, 35.7 report back on committee of adjustment mediation, and so we go to listen. Counselor shiner would have a motion I.

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Just move the motion to get on with it. It's almost lunchtime it's to basically.

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Is to see if we can still find ways to make the process better through the.

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Committee of adjustment and the appeals and work with the city manager and those in planning to do that, and also consider the comments and the request.

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Made on a letter from contra, alright.

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And that could you amend that to the January of 2019, because that's the other motions would align nicely if he did you.

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Had a minute to first quarter of 2000, okay,.

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That's fine all right because.

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If they can't get it here, for you.

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That member will change that first. So that's my cue councillor, shiner and with the other time all right, then so we have that motion on the table and you made your comments in there counselor Robinson did you have some first.

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I have two motions and then again thank you to Jeff Cattell for sticking around to speak on this, but he's not going to have that opportunity. So I'll just basically say this is a motion that supports a Fonterra's position and I just want to thank staff for their work and determining that this. This pilot really has not worked and recognizing that that it hasn't really reduced the number of Appeals at all, and that was certainly my take from the onset, so I think neither neither the residential communities nor the development communities really support this.

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This pilot that was laid out and implemented and it wasn't effective. So these motions basically look at ways to improve CoA and the you know just basically I'd like to actually mr. mayor just amend the residential infill word to applications so related to residential applications, to broaden it from just not infill but just citywide any residential application and how we can improve the process and then councillor for a Galactus who's. Not here, there's motion to she's.

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She is okay, great, so see that if they can put it on the screen, basically to better serve the public and enhance dialogue between applicants and the public and then report back to planning both command, Management, Committee and I would add. The word again commend us to say January 2019 again to align these three motions and to look at opportunities to further improve communication and I know counselor. That was particularly concerned about signage and strategies for enhancing and formal engagement of residents. So so.

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I'm happy to give counsel of recognize I want to just may I just get your concurrence to finish this item before lunch, which I think we'll do in short order, but just so in case we take a couple of extra minutes. Thank you all in favour carried counselor Fraga dykes. Did you want to speak to that? All right? Did you conclude it councillor Robinson? Yes,.

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I had yeah I think.

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Then what we can do is consider those two motions. First and then I wrap those up into the referral. Emotion and but oh I see okay, councillor Frank attacks. Did you want to speak to I'll.

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Be very brief. Thank you for varying the order. Mr. mayor and and colleagues I understand that there's a referral motion and I was just wondering if the two motions that are before can actually be referred with those instructions. That's.

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Actually have something to think about in the time that it gets comes back to to us in the new term of counsel and I mean I. Think that most people can agree that the committee of adjustment mediation pilot program was not successful. It was not successful because the parameters of which it was structured caused it to not be able to be successful. I think there's a real problem with the committee of adjustment. I think the process is not really working fairly for residents.

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Unfortunately, it seems like the system is being gamed at the expense of average people, but I definitely want to continue to try to have as much improvement, in particular around communications. Many of you will notice that the signs that they put up for for the committee of adjustment or these green little signs that you could early read that are posted in the window and yet for a big development downtown. You get a nice big white sign close to the street.

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If people can read when they walk their dog at night and I have more information, and sometimes the applicants don't never put up the little assign for the committee of adjustment hearings, so people are often finding out about what their neighbor is planning to do with very little notice to react and to organize, and so anything that we can do to continue to improve communication and any strategies to have a conversation with the residents, the neighbors, those most directly impacted by these applications, the sooner the better.

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Having a conversation the day of the hearing in the hallway on you know, basically, the back of a napkin doesn't serve people in this city. So anything we can do to have a conversation sooner, that's meaningful! That includes people in the plan. Our staff in the planning department, the applicants and the neighbors I think is worth supporting thanks.

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Councilor Fraga raucous and we the intention- was, of course, to try and incorporate these, which I think the clerk's, just in the middle of how we do that right now incorporate the two motions into the referral motion. It all goes as a package share back to our hard-working staff. So are we ready to deal with that? Just about do a soft-shoe for a moment here and when we come back after lunch, there's a couple of other things.

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I think we can deal with very quickly we're going to go on and deal with 35.6, because there's one decorative that's been faithfully waiting in them. Voting.

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I'm voting on this now.

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Yeah we're just about to we're just waiting for the clerk to finish up putting these motions together. Oh sorry,.

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I, just my apologies.

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Yeah 35 point two: six: the surplus and 35.56 we just dealt with for six, which is the Toronto Public Health, so that's dealt with Mara.

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You said so that's right, and so, let's, let's go back to that, which is just because we're waiting for one second here, thirty five point: eighteen is the railways and roadways and etc, etc. Yes, do you have a motion? Yes,.

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So my motions basic, so the levy that we impose on the railroads, for example right now, is based on acreage. So I'm just asked for a column to be added to future reports. We're one of the few provinces that bases the levy on acreage, not railroad, tonnage and I'm, asking for a column, so staff could show us a comparison of acreage versus tonnage again.

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I think it's another sensible sort of suggestion that would probably I have a just a sneaking suspicion, so it might benefit us in terms of some financial reserves, as we so badly need for the budget chair. So is there any questions of staff on that any questions of the mover any anything else, anybody else wants to speak on it. Otherwise we can just call the question on this amendment. 235 e^x, 35, point 18. So all those in favor of the amendment opposed carried. The item is amended.

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35 point 18, all those in favor opposed carry now. Are we ready to go on ready to go on 35 point?

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35.7, so what comes up first.

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There we are first is motion, one from councillor, Robinson and I think she spoke to it and it's self-explanatory. Did you have a question or anything? No, okay, ready all those in favor of a motion. One amendment, okay, I opposed carried motion number two: this is councillor Robinson second motion: all those in favor opposed carry, and then we would deal with motion number three, which is the referral motion incorporating one and two which have been approved correct, and there is motion number three about to impair of in front of you right now.

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And there is the referral motion from counselor and I'll call the question on that all those in favor opposed carried and that really deals with the item correct all right. So we will come back at 1:30 and thank you very much.

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