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Executive Committee - March 21, 2019 - Part 1 of 2
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0:11:43 - Call to order
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A
I
could
just
yeah.
Thank
you
so
much
just
say:
I'm,
sorry
that
we
were
started
a
little
bit
late,
but
within
the
permitted
time.
But
there
are
two
important
days
to
note
today
and
we
have
one.
We
have
many
special
visitors.
You're
all
special,
but
we
have
one
special
visitor
I
want
to
acknowledge.
Today
is
not
only
the
International
Day
for
the
elimination
of
racial
discrimination,
which
I
think
in
these
times
is
especially
important
for
us
to
acknowledge
and
recognize
here
at
the
executive
committee.
A
But
it's
also
world
Down
syndrome
day
and
some
of
us
were
outside
for
the
first
ever
flag,
raising
at
Toronto
City
Hall
to
acknowledge
these
very
joyful,
especially
the
young
people
who
are
here
today,
but
many
others
as
well,
and
their
families
to
bring
attention
to
that.
And
so
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
that
I
tried
to
help
them
accomplish
their
purpose
by
mentioning
it
here
as
well.
A
A
A
back
slash
council
now
may
I
ask
first
as
we're
required
to
do.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
Act?
And
if
so,
please
indicate
the
item
number
and
the
nature
of
the
interest
and
again
I'll
remind
members
that
as
I
do
that
when
you
declare
an
interest
now
under
the
m
IM
CIA
you're
also
required
to
file
a
written
declaration
with
the
clerk
and
those
are
available.
The
forms
are
available.
Should
you
need
one?
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
that
people
wish
to
make
at
this
time?
A
Okay,
hearing
none
I
mean
I,
then
have
a
motion
to
confirm
the
minutes
of
the
executive
committee
meeting
held
on
January,
the
23rd
2019
and
the
special
meeting
of
the
executive
committee
held
on
March
4th
2019
moved
by
Councillor
Ainsley,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried.
We
have
13
items
on
the
agenda
today,
and
one
thing
I
would
like
to
do
is
to.
A
on
March
21st
19,
after
which
no
further
registration
is
allowed
until
the
speaker's
list
and
the
speakers
list.
As
of
then
will
be
closed,
may
I
have
a
motion.
I
move
that
may
I
have
your
concurrence.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
Carrie
all
right.
Let's
have
a
look
at
the
agenda
and
if
there
are
items
that
you
wish
to
hold,
please
let
me
know
and
I
will
hold
items
with
registered
speakers,
and
that
applies
to
item
3.1.
The
engagement
of
Toronto's
transit
system.
First
quarter
2019
status
report.
A
There
are
deputation,
so
it's
held
item
ex3
point
to
results
of
paramedics,
interest
arbitration
with
Toronto
Civic
Employees
Union,
moved
by
councillor,
Nancy
ADA.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item.
X
3.3
administrative
inquiry
on
hate
sponsored
rallies
is
being
held
for
deputations
item
as
well
as
item
3.3.
A
item
3.4
recommended
Toronto
City
Council
advisory
bodies
is
being
held
for
deputations
item
3.5
Administrative
amendments
to
reserve
fund
accounts.
If
there's
no
hold
on
that.
It's
moved
by
councillor
Crawford.
A
B
A
Thank
you
for
thanking
the
staff
and
I
will
thank
you
for
your
leadership,
deputy
mayor
Barlow
as
well.
That
matter
has
been
moved
item
3.66
40
lines
down
all
those
in
favor
opposed
Erin
item
X
3.7
delegation
of
authority
for
temporary
temporary
liquor
licenses.
Seeing
no
one
wishing
to
hold
it
may
have
a
mover
of
this
item.
3.7
moved
by
councillor
Ainsley,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
item;
3.8,
e^x
3.8.
A
Renewing
the
city's
commitment
to
Toronto
Global
is
being
held
for
deputations
item
X,
3.9,
Exhibition,
Place,
financial,
bylaw,
218
and
borrowing
and
investing
of
money.
Bylaw
318
there
there
are
no
deputations
and
if
I
see
no
holes,
I'll
ask
someone
to
move
the
item
moved
by
Councillor
anunciador.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item
three
point:
e^x
3.10,
Toronto,
Police,
Service,
2017
annual
statistical
report
is
being
held
for
a
deputation
item,
ex3
point
11
the
Toronto
Zoo
lumina.
A
Experience
is
being
held
for
a
deputation
item,
ex3
point
12,
which
is
being
considered
together
with
3.1,
save
our
subway,
ensuring
Torontonians
know
the
facts
is
being
held
for
deputations
and
finally,
item
ex3
point
13
request
for
report
to
protect
and
enhance
the
integrity
of
the
civic
appointments
process
that
is
not
being
held
for
deputations.
Is
there
anyone
wishing
to
hold
it
otherwise,
I'll
ask
for
a
motion
which
I've
received
from
councillor
Crawford.
All
those
in
favor
come
on.
A
A
We
saw
we've
moved
and
and
accepted
the
consideration
of
the
first
item
and
and
the
I
think
it
was
the
12th
item
together,
and
so
we
will
hear
the
deputations
first
together
for
all
those
who
have
registered
a
depute
I,
don't
yet
have
I,
guess
I.
Have
it
right
here
the
list
of
those
who
are
registered
to
de
putte.
So
what
we'll
do
is
there's
some
overlap
here.
We
will
hear
in
order
from
the
people
that
are
registered
on
3.1
and
then
we'll
move
to
hear
those
on
3.12
and
since
we're
hearing
them
together.
A
A
C
Good
morning,
mr.
mayor
and
members
of
the
committee,
so
my
name
is
Tricia
wood,
I'm,
a
Toronto
resident
and
I'm.
A
tenured
professor
of
geography
at
York,
University
I
also
write
an
urban
affairs
column
for
spacing
calm
and
I
ride.
The
TTC
almost
daily
I,
am
deep
Yuting
today,
on
behalf
of
the
transit
advocacy
group,
CodeRed
teo
CodeRed
teo
is
a
consciously
nonpartisan
volunteer,
run
organization,
independent
of
any
conflicts
of
interests
with
transit
agencies,
political
parties,
labor
organizations
or
any
related
sector.
C
C
First,
the
proposal
itself
and
the
process
of
negotiations
do
not
yet
represent
good
governance
practices
and,
second,
while
we
recognize
the
city's
efforts
to
do
otherwise,
the
ownership
discussion
is
displacing
the
more
urgent
question
of
improving
the
overall
funding
structure
for
the
TTC,
not
only
for
capital
expansion
projects,
but
for
maintaining
and
improving
operations
appropriate
to
its
ridership.
In
our
recent
report,
weak
signals
came
out
last
November.
We
studied
the
transit
fares,
networks,
budgets
and
governance
of
Toronto
and
seven
other
large
cities
in
Canada
and
the
United
States.
C
The
TTC
is
one
of
the
most
successful
transit
systems
in
Canada
in
the
u.s.
it's
a
leader
in
its
region
and
far
beyond
it
moves
twice
as
many
people
lunch
as
Chicago
on
approximately
the
same
operating
budget
and
outside
of
New
York.
No
other
city
comes
close
to
the
City
of
Toronto
success
in
reducing
car
use
to
just
50
percent
of
commuters.
C
C
Disassembling,
the
TTC
or
changing
who
owns.
It
is
not
the
way
to
solve
our
problems.
Some
cities
have
exclusive
oversight
of
their
transit
agencies,
and
some
don't
the
real
difference
is
almost
every
other
city
has
something
that
we
don't
dedicated.
Predictable
revenue
sources,
that
lack
of
funding
structure
prevents
the
TTC
from
investing
properly
and
creates
the
multi-billion
dollar
backlog
that,
as
yet
council
is
still
chosen
to
avoid
reducing
for
nearly
a
decade.
C
Transit
is
not
a
political
prop,
and
this
is
not
just
a
business
deal.
One
of
the
most
important
things
that
Transit
does
is
increase
economic
participation
and
reduce
inequality,
and
another
is
its
role
in
reducing
our
carbon
footprint.
Transit
is
a
social
justice
issue
and
an
environmental
issue
and
council
has
an
obligation
to
protect
it,
but
instead
we
are
talking
about
disassembling,
the
integrated
TTC
network
and
that's
not
good
transit
governance.
C
A
You
very
much
we'll
have
some
questions
for
you
and
we
start
the
way
it
works.
We
start
with
some
members
of
council
who
are
not
members
of
this
committee
and
then
to
go
on
and
see
if
there
are
questions
from
the
committee
members.
So
we
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
we'll
start
with
councillor
Burks
Thank.
D
C
C
Even
you,
you
want
both
in
the
I
think
consultation
with
the
general
public,
because
quite
a
lot
of
the
general
public
in
the
city
is
quite
engaged
on
this
issue.
Millions
ride
the
TTC
every
day,
but
also
Toronto,
has
slightly
extraordinary
amount
of
urban
expertise,
not
just
in
universities
like
mine
but
across
the
city,
and
it's
really
foolish
not
to
engage
and
benefit
from
that,
but
just
a
general
public
consultation
of
kind
of
what
do
you
think
of
what
we
might
be
doing?
It
doesn't
really
inform
the
negotiations
as
it
could.
D
And
I've
seen
you
know,
there
are
some
ideas
here
that
are
in
the
report.
Let's
suppose
that
we
do
get
to
a
position
where
we've
told
the
province.
No,
you
have
to
put
your
cards
on
the
table
and
we
have
to
share
them
with
the
public
and
we
similarly
put
our
cards
on
the
table
to
make
the
consultation
robust
after
that
happens,
would
you
rely
on
just
opinion
polling,
or
would
you
want
something
different
than
that?
Oh.
C
No
I
think
you
want
to
go
well
beyond
poling
I
mean
opinion
polling
can
help
sort
of
frame
some
of
the
discussions
that
that
might
be
organized
but
no
I
mean
there's
I,
know
a
proposal
to
have
some
kind
of
an
expert
advisory
panel.
That
could
be
useful,
but
you
could
also
have
you
know
kind
of
stakeholder
consultations,
the
the
practice
that
already
exists
in
the
in
transportation
planning
already
at
the
city,
where
you
engage
communities
that
are
interested
in,
have
a
stake
in
this,
as
well
as
as
well
as
experts.
But
yes
go
know.
D
C
That
there
are
multiple
issues
and
funding
is
actually
part
of
governance,
because
we
don't
have
as
much
independence
and
governance
because
we're
so
reliant
sort
of
year
after
year
and
begging
for
funding,
but
I
think
what
we're?
What
we're
trying
to
say
is
that
ownership
matters.
It's
not
an
irrelevant
question,
but
it
isn't
the
only
question
here
who
makes
decisions
whether
the
TTC
is
adequately
funded
because
it
currently
isn't.
Those
are
also
critical
questions
and
in
some
ways
there
are
more
urgent
questions
for
the
city
we
shouldn't.
C
It's
been
brought
to
us
kind
of
as
a
fight
right.
The
province
is
what
we're
gonna
do.
This
City
Council
passes,
emotion,
says
well,
we'd,
really
rather
not,
and
the
province
is
what
we're
going
to
anyway.
So
at
the
moment,
it's
not
really
an
invitation
to
have
the
serious,
extensive
conversation
and
consultation
that
it
could
be,
and
so,
if
it
is
going
to
happen,
which
is
what
we
need,
it's
really
I
think
unfairly,
perhaps,
but
it's
really
on
the
city
to
take
that
conversation
to
the
province.
Thank.
E
E
One
could
one
could
say
that
an
organisation
like
Code
Red
wants
that
report
to
have
some
sort
of
gotcha
moment
if
they're
looking
at
that
report,
but
I
I
wanted
to
just
put
it.
In
the
context
of
one
of
my
colleagues,
a
councillor
wrote
an
op-ed
in
the
Sun
and
he
he
wraps
it
up
by
saying
today
we
have
an
opportunity
to
engage
in
the
dialogue
and
work
cooperatively
with
the
province
to
build
transit
that
works
for
all
Torontonians.
We
should
take
it.
E
C
I
mean,
as
we
said,
when
we
studied
the
governance
structures
of
all
these
other
cities.
There's
no
one
model
right,
so
we
wouldn't
say
well,
the
city
has
to
own
it
or,
or
the
province
has
to
own
it,
and
that
will
be.
You
know
the
perfect
outcome,
but
we
really
want
to
have
is
a
very
serious
and
detailed
conversation
about
the
plan.
Actually,
I
would
say
that
CodeRed
tier
was
not
looking
for
a
gotcha
moment.
The
code
redtail
is
just
about
the
public
dissemination
of
complete
and
accurate
information.
E
C
A
F
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
through
you
to
miss
wood.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
this
morning
and
I
will
start
off
by
simply
saying
that
I
agree
with
the
comments
that
you
have
made,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
having
information
so
that
we
can
make
informed
decisions
and
not
taking
a
position
with
respect
to.
Is
this
the
right
way
or
is
this
the
wrong
way?
But
at
least
let's
have
the
information,
so
we
can,
you
know,
make
decisions
that
are
appropriate
decision.
F
But
in
your
comments
you
mentioned
that
the
issue
around
the
good
governance.
You
were
not
satisfied
with
that,
based
on
what
we
have
here,
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
perhaps
just
extend
on
that
and
perhaps
highlight
some
of
the
things
or
features
that
we
should
be
incorporating,
which
is
not
incorporated
in
the
report
as
it
is
now.
C
Having
any
kind
of
open
public
meetings
right,
especially
rather
than
stakeholder
meetings
or
polling
again
in
the
absence
of
the
actual
you
know,
proposed
plans
is
not
good,
is
not
good
governance.
You're
asking
people
to
I
mean
you're,
asking
people
to
speak
to
principles
and
ideas,
but
when
it
comes
to
governance
models
for
for
transit,
there
is
no
one-size-fits-all.
C
They
very
much
are
organic
historical
structures
that
develop
out
of
the
specific
you
know:
demography,
population,
distribution,
history
and
physical
geography
of
a
particular
place.
It
has
everything
to
do
with,
for
example,
what
the
relationship
is
between
the
city
and
the
province
like
that's
the
context
in
which
we're
trying
to
negotiate,
and
we
have
to
be
very
honest
about
what
the
status
of
that
relationship
is
life.
C
So
there
are
things
that
we
can
say
about
them,
but
there's
really
quite
a
limit
in
terms
of
a
good
governance
practice
of
really
engaging
democratically
right
with
both
experts
in
the
general
public
if
you're
just
asking
them
to
speculate
on
kind
of
you
know.
Well
what
what
might
we
do?
I
mean
you
get
asked
me:
what
might
we
do?
I
could
talk
to
you
for
hours
about
possibilities
right,
but
that's
not
really
valuable.
It's
much
more
valuable
to
say
here
are
some
realistic
things.
F
So
you've
looked
at
and
I
gathered
your
groups
looked
at
the
terms
of
reference.
Are
you
satisfied
with
respect
to
the
information
that's
contained
in
the
terms
of
references
such
are
there
some
additional
elements
that
we
should
be,
including
that
and
I
realize
what
you've
just
stated
about
the
collection
of
information
and
data
and
access
to
that,
and
so
on?
How
important
that
is.
Yeah.
G
F
I
guess
the
other
sort
of
little
final
part
of
my
question.
We
at
the
city
here
are
also
in
a
position
where
we're
not
driving
the
Train
so
to
speak,
it's
being
driven
for
us
to
a
large
extent,
and
we
are
trying
to
do
the
best
in
terms
of
managing
a
difficult
situation
to
get
to
a
point,
I
think
which
is
a
sweet
spot
which
I
think
you've
arrived
that
where
we
need
to
get
to
in
order
to
make
decisions.
So
I
guess
on
the
terms
of
reference.
F
C
F
Now
I
guess
my
final
question
Toombs
would
the
city
manager
is
recommending
that
we
allocate
a
certain
amount
of
funds,
which
is
two
million
dollars
to
be
able
to
provide
staffing
and
third-party
analysis
and
and
so
on?
I'm
just
wondering.
Is
there
anything
that's
lacking
in
that?
From
your
perspective,
in
terms
of,
are
there
an
additional
elements
that
we
should
in
court
include
in
that
as
part
of
our
process,
I
mean.
C
A
Can
accept
you
drop's
in
any
other
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
If
no
one
else
does.
Thank
you
again
for
being
here
for
your
patience.
First
of
all,
would
you
accept-
and
sometimes
these
things
happen
a
bit
out
of
order,
but
you'll
hear
I.
Think
you'll
hear
that
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
his
mouth.
A
The
city
managers
say
later
that,
in
the
context
of
the
discussions
where
he
is
our
lead
participant
at
the
table
with
the
province,
there
has
been
no
plan
presented
as
yet
it's
not
as
if
they
came
into
the
room
and
said
here.
This
is
the
plan.
Now,
let's
talk
about
it,
would
you
accept
that,
if
that
is
possibly
the
case,
that
when
we
have
these
discussions
pursuant
to
the
terms
of
reference
which
I'll
come
back
to
in
a
moment
that
it's
it
that
there
is
no
plan
as
yet
well.
C
A
In
anticipation
of
what
the
city
manager
will
tell
us
later,
I'm
sure
when
he's
asked
questions
you'll
that
you
would
accept
the
fact
that
it's
possible
that
mr.
Lindsay
and
others
came
to
the
table
to
sort
of
sit
and
say
well,
let's
talk
about
what
would
be
the
best
plan
that
that's
that's,
that's
a
possibility
that
that
was
the
approach
that
was
being
adopted.
C
Can
see
I'd
be
oh
yeah
in
terms
of
you
know,
has
everything
been
then
you
know
planned
out
to
the
last
detail
or
or
even
partially.
You
know
a
sort
of
like
in
design
work.
Are
we
at
30%
design,
work
or
70%
design
work,
but
I'd
be
very
surprised
if
there's
absolutely
no
plan
I
mean
my
understanding
is
that
the
provincial
government
is
contemplating
introducing
legislation
within
the
next
three
months.
So
I'd
be
very
surprised
if
there
is
absolutely
no
plan
or
even
a
narrow
range
of,
if
I
did
I.
C
Suppose
it's
possible,
but
I'd
be
extraordinarily
surprised
because,
again
to
speak
to
the
governance
gaps,
as
I
said
earlier,
the
province
said.
Well,
we
think
we'd
like
to
do
this.
Well,
they
said
a
little
more
strongly
than
that
and
City
Council
said
we'd
rather
not
and
City
Council.
You
know
it
is
a
government
with
the
authority
to
say
that
and
it's
being
disregarded,
so
it's
being
or
or
or
it
not
disregarded.
Perhaps
it
is
being
suggested
that
City
Council
hold
that
thought
for
a
moment.
C
A
That
is
specifically
acknowledged,
including
one
that
says
no
upload,
one
that
says
a
partial
upload
and
one
that
says
full
upload
whatever
all
that
means,
because
again
I,
don't
think
anybody's
defined
what
an
upload
is,
but
you
would
accept
the
fact
that
an
agreed
upon
terms
of
reference
for
those
talks
specifically
has
in
it
as
one
possible
outcome
that
can
be
and
will
and
is
being
discussed,
no
upload.
Yes,.
C
A
It
does
include
all
ends
of
the
spectrum
as
it
were,
and
the
final
question
I'd
like
to
ask
you:
is
you
made
allusion
to
and
quite
properly
so,
and
you
were
questioned
a
little
bit
by
councilor
perks
on
this
I
presume.
You've
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
the
report.
Written
by
the
city
manager
will
speak
to
that
report
later
and
I'm.
A
Looking
at
page
eight
and
and
we
were
talking
about
public
consultation
and
there
you
have
listed
at
his
hand,
a
list
that
includes
public
meetings,
tella
town
halls,
webinars
third-party
research,
online
surveys,
pop-ups
and
expert
advisory
panels
and
I.
Don't
think
the
list
was
meant
to
be.
You
know
all-inclusive,
but
that
list
is
all
there
and
the
public
meetings.
A
You
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
that
process
that
suggested,
because
I
think
councilor
perks
put
to
you
the
possibility
that
all
we
were
going
to
do
is
some
public
opinion
research,
but
you'd
acknowledge
that
that
list,
which
is
specifically
put
forward
by
the
city
manager,
is
a
list
that
is
much
more
complete
than
online
surveys
or
than
public
opinion
surveys
and
and
does
resemble
some
of
what
we
do
with
other
kinds
of
transit
planning.
Yes,.
C
The
two
aspects
that
I
we're
trying
to
point
out
are
perhaps
lacking:
there
are
as
compared
to
the
transportation
planning
practices.
Public
open
meetings
are
preceded
by
stakeholder
meetings,
which
are
a
different
kind
of
focused
discussion.
They're
very
productive
I've
participated
in
many
of
those
and
that's
a
different
kind
of
meeting
than
an
open
public
meeting,
particularly
in
terms
of
stakeholders
which
are
which
include
experts
and
people
with
a
vested
interest
in
the
particular
project
being
able
to
to
bring
specific.
C
H
C
A
That
goes
back
to
our
earlier
questionable
whether
there
is
some
plan
to
present.
But
the
final
question
is
this,
which
is
you
would
think
it
would
be
a
significant
improvement.
Then,
if
we
added
to
the
city
manager's
list
and
it's
his
list,
not
mine,
but
if
we
were
to
ask
him
later
on
when
he
talks
with
us
to
add
a
stakeholder
meeting
component
to
this,
you
would
think
that
would
be
a
significant
improvement
to
this.
This
public
consultation
process
to
put
that
in
there.
Yes,.
A
I
My
stepmom
stand
at
a
bus,
stop
at
Kingston
and
Eglinton
waiting
for
buses
when
the
subway
only
went
to
Woodbine
to
then
take
the
bus
and
the
subway
and
another
bus
to
cami
chore.
She
worked
as
a
nurse's
aide
I
watched
her
do
that
in
frozen
days,
and
in
warm
days
and
in
hot
days,
I
watched
her
come
home
with
bruises
from
dealing
with
patients
and
always
knew
that
people
needed
transit
that
would
get
them
to
work
and
home
a
whole
lot
better
than
we
had
at
that
point
in
time.
I
I've
been
a
transit
advocate
professionally.
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
since
I
was
first
elected
as
a
rep
of
the
Carpenters
Union
in
1982
in
the
early
90s,
I
led
the
effort
to
try
and
get
four
subways
to
lines
built
in
Toronto
and
that
effort
where
the
city
or
Metro
only
had
to
come
up
with
a
small
portion
of
the
money
was
frankly
defeated
by
people
like
Scott
Cavalier,
captain
zero,
who
said
no
new
taxes
of
any
kind.
We
won't
have
that
money.
I
I
watched
the
provincial
government
cancel
those
lines
and
fill
in
a
hundred
million
dollar
hole
and
Eglinton
and
myself,
and
about
three
hundred
construction
workers,
took
black
hard
hats
and
March
to
that
location
and
threw
an
empty
confident
to
that
place.
So
I
know
a
lot
about
what
we
need
to
do
to
build
transit,
it's
not
just
about
building
transit.
It's
also
about
the
operations
of
transit.
Our
labor
movement
has
been
in
the
forefront
ever
since
the
Harris
Conservatives
got
rid
of
the
absurd
operating
subsidy.
It's
a
demand.
It
be
brought
back
in.
I
So
in
front
of
us
today
you
have
a
manager's
report
that
builds
on
City
Council
decision
at
the
end
of
the
year
to
affirm
that
the
City
of
Toronto
should
maintain
the
control,
operation
and
ownership
of
our
full
assets
of
an
integrated,
Toronto,
Transit,
System
and
I
want
to
talk
about
how
you
negotiate
when
you're
dealing
with
a
government
with
a
lot
of
power
on
the
other
side
and
how
you
get
powered.
That
puts
you
in
a
reasonable
negotiating
position.
I
have
a
little
experience
in
negotiations.
I
I've
negotiated
multinational
companies
with
federal
governments
with
provincial
governments
with
city
and
school
boards,
and
universities
with
small
mom-and-pop
operations
and
the
things
I've
learned
over
40
years
of
doing.
That
is,
you
need
to
have
people
engaged
to
give
you
the
power
to
negotiate
a
fair
deal
and,
what's
missing
from
the
manager
report,
is
a
concept
of
a
major
full-scale
full-scale
campaign
to
educate
and
engage
residents
to
support
and
maintain
city
ownership.
I
The
City
of
Toronto
will
not
achieve
that
goal
without
fully
engaging
the
residents
and
citizens
of
this
city,
and
that
doesn't
mean
bringing
them
to
a
consultation
meeting
where
they
set
up
small
tables
and
they're
asked
to
fill
out
a
form,
and
then
they
walk
away.
It
talks
about
building
a
campaign
in
the
fullest
sense
of
the
world.
Now
some
people
say
this
government
has
a
majority.
You
can't
do
anything.
You've
just
got
to
go
along
and
try
and
get
the
best
out
of
it.
I
I
You
could
change
the
outcome
if
the
city
chooses
to
engage
the
power
of
our
two-and-a-half
or
2.6
million
residents
and
citizens
in
this
process
in
a
real
way
in
93,
sorry
2003,
when
the
new
Liberal
government
was
elected,
they
had
promised
new
support
for
transit
and
then
the
premier
went
and
said:
oh,
my
goodness,
the
cupboard
is
bare.
We
can't
possibly
come
up
with
that
money,
the
labor
movement
partnered
with
the
city
of
Toronto
and
TTC
and
did
a
mass
public
campaign.
I
We
had
ads
on
on
on
bus,
shelters
and
and
and
transit
vehicles,
saying
it's
not
rocket
science.
We
need
fair
funding
and
we
were
able
to
put
enough
pressure
on
that
government
to
restore
a
significant
piece
of
funding.
Similarly,
on
the
federal
level
around
the
gas
tax,
last
thing,
I'll
say
is:
if
you're
talking
about
expertise
and
expert
panels,
you
have
to
have
the
Transit
Union
at
that
table.
They
are
the
real
experts,
there's
a
front
line
experts
of
making
this
happen.
I
E
The
terms
of
reference
that
you're
speaking
to
today,
including
them
a
clause
about
confidentiality
and-
and
you
know
you
speak
to
your
expertise
in
negotiations-
you
know,
there's
a
component
that
that
probably
does
have
to
be
done
confidentially
because
it
has
real
estate
business
case
values,
but
in
engaging
the
public.
We
can't
go
a
lot
further.
Can't
we,
then,
then
these
terms
of
reference
without
without
jeopardizing
anything
that
might
be
needed
at
the
at
the
end
of
this
negotiation,
the
campaign
still
needs
more
information
for
the
public.
Would
you
agree,
I
think.
I
Some
of
those
some
of
those
elements
of
the
very
complexity
of
ownership
of
land
ownership.
How
do
you
split
the
provision
of
electricity
between
the
streetcars
under
subway
because
it
comes
from
the
same
place?
Some
of
the
elements
of
what
would
it
require
to
raise
money
from
developers,
for
instance
we're
one
of
the
planks
of
this
government?
I
We
all
have
developers
pay
for
it.
Well,
the
experts
have
said
you'd
need
about
20
high-rise
buildings
at
every
subway
to
pay
for
any
of
them.
The
the
the
Lord
the
subway
stop
at
Lawrence
right
at
Scarborough,
General
Hospital.
You
know
it's.
Four
hundred
and
eighty
million
dollars
cost
and
I
was
around
when
Murray
from
was
talking
about.
I
Will
a
bunch
of
us
developers
will
come
together
and
will
fund
the
Shepards
subway
when
somebody
said
okay,
good,
let
me
see
the
color
of
your
money,
it
wasn't
there
the
big
question
we
have:
where
will
the
money
come
from
and
I've
asked
this
of
people
who
are
Conservative
Party?
You
know
loyalists
and
I'm,
saying
I'm,
not
I've,
always
advocated
I
want
to
see
subways,
Subway's,
subways
and
but
I
also
want
to
see
LRT
and
a
proper
mix.
I
E
I
You
know
I
our
labor
movement
and
and
myself
personally,
are
very
strongly
committed
to
respond
to
the
climate
crisis.
The
faces
our
world
I
was
at
cop21
in
Paris,
when
our
country
said
we
would
be
there
to
meet.
Those
transit
is
a
crucial
part
of
dealing
with
the
climate
crisis.
It's
also
about
decent
jobs,
and
if
you
look
at
the
face
of
who's
driving
our
buses
and
subways,
it
reflects
the
diversity
of
this
city.
And
yes,
it's
about
not
tearing
apart
a
system
and
finding
ourselves
with
competing
interests.
J
Thank
you
mr.
Cartwright,
through
the
mayor
good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
executive
committee
in
City.
Hall
talked
about
your
mum
waiting
for
a
subway.
There
was
no
subway
where
she
wanted
to
go.
Do
we
need
more
subways
if
the
money's
available
and
more
subway
stops,
we
need.
We
need
more
Subway's
and
subway
stops
if
the
money
is
available.
I
That's
a
Metrolinx
model,
and
you
know
the
reality
about
p3s
is
that
somebody
has
to
get
a
cut
between
8
to
14
percent
profit
in
order
to
justify
the
consortiums
that
are
put
together
for
that,
and
there
is
no
free
money.
So
if
somebody
says
I
can
I'll
bring
in
a
p3
and
somehow
that
reduces
the
the
liability
of
public,
it's
not
true.
You
still
have
to
pay
back
the
debt
plus
the
profit
sector
for
any
p3
model,
so
p3
model
does
not
provide
you
with
with
free
money.
I
The
question
still
comes
back
is:
where
will
the
money
come
from
and
that's
what
the
province
has
not
indicated
any
indication
they're
cutting
taxes?
They
are
slashing
their
own
revenue
streams
and,
unless
they're
going
to
suck
billions
of
dollars
out
of
education,
health
care
and
social
services,
I,
don't
know
which
financial
genius
can
tell.
J
Us
where
that
went,
I
think
you
and
I
agree
that
that's
not
a
good
choice
and
it's
something
that
we
should
not
be
endeavoring
in
or
encouraging
our
provincial
counterparts
to
participate
in
another
question
that
I
have
for
you:
the
Scarborough
subway
yep.
There
was
funding
that
was
allocated
provincially
federally
municipal
II.
It's
in
the
books,
I
became
one,
stop
subway,
others
thought
of
people
advocating.
That
should
be
more
stops.
Should
we
continue
to
build
that
sub
wish?
J
I
Labor
council
doesn't
have
a
position
on
the
Scarborough
subway,
as
somebody
who
grew
up
in
Scarborough,
there's
no
point
taking
a
subway
from
Kennedy
to
the
town
center
I'm,
not
stopping
somewhere
in
between
Lawrence.
The
buses
on
Lawrence
are
huge
and
if
you're
gonna
actually
build
transit
in
this
city,
you've
got
to
do
it.
So
people
are
served
properly.
Company.
I
Be
completed,
I,
don't
know
the
numbers
exactly,
but
the
cost
understanding
is
about
three
million
so
on
the
Eglinton
RT
line
and
we've
negotiated
a
community
benefits
agreement
with
metro
links
and
RT,
so
I'm
quite
familiar
with
that,
and
that
cost
is
5.4
million
and
they're.
You
know
we,
we
say
one
big
number
when
we're
trying
to
promote
something
and
advocate
for
it.
The
reality
is
on-site,
work
I,
think
we're
looking
at
about
4,000
person
years
worth
of
construction.
Okay,.
J
J
I
F
A
F
A
Mean
I
allow
quite
a
bit
of
latitude
on
that,
but
I
think
we
now
had
like
nine
questions
on
you
know:
transit
expansion
not
related
in
any
way
back
to
the
report,
that's
in
front
of
us
today,
which
is
to
do
with
the
uploading
process,
as
it
were,
the
uploading
discussion
anyway.
You
said
it
was
your
final
question.
So
five
minutes
that
question
and
we'll
divide.
J
J
F
A
Can't
tell
you,
mr.
Cartwright,
you
go
ahead
and
answer
that
and
if
your
as
best
you
can
thank
you
if
you
would
and
that
that
that
was
again
of
questionable
relevance
to
the
report
in
front
of
us
but
okay.
So,
sir,
do
you
have
any
more
to
say
on
that?
His
final
question:
how
many
jobs
I
think
he
asked
you,
but.
I
No
I
I
can't
say
other
than
to
say
that
the
the
the
city
is
looking
at
community
benefits,
as
as
part
of
expansion.
We've
done
that
with
Metrolinx.
It's
a
crucial
element
of
ensuring
that
the
prosperity
that
comes
from
this
construction
is
shared
across
all
of
our
communities
and
that's
something
that
we
hope
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
this
is
integrated
into
the
city's
plans
for
its
transit
expansion
as
well.
All
right
thank.
A
F
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
through
mr.
Cartwright.
It's
always
good
to
have
you
here,
you're
always
very
clear,
but
you'll
agree
with
me
that
we're
in
a
bit
of
a
conundrum
at
this
particular
point
in
time
as
part
of
this
particular
process.
So
my
question
to
you
is
that
you
you've
talked
about
building
the
campaign
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
do
we
build
it
on?
F
Is
it
build
it
on
whether
or
not
we
focus
on
uploading
or
a
particular
arrangement
that
would
be
of
utility
to
the
citizens
of
Toronto
in
terms
of
the
relationship
with
respect
to
the
province,
a
model
that
works
for
the
city
and
in
because
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
finance?
The
money
piece
is
always
the
big
question
in
terms
of
affordability,
so
I'm
just
wondering
whether
or
not
we
would
need
to
know
what
we
would
be
sort
of
building
this.
F
If
you
will
campaign
either
for
or
against,
because
at
this
time
I
don't
think.
We
really
know
that
other
than
the
question
is.
The
province
has
indicated
that
they're
interested
in
uploading
the
subway,
but
we
don't
know
what
that's
all
about
and
that's
what
we
need
to
figure
out
so
I'm
just
wondering.
When
would
we
devise
a
campaign
as
part
of
this
mass
campaign
to
address
this
issue?
Well,.
I
I
think
you
start
from
your
basic
your
basic
position
of
the
City
Council,
which
is
to
say
we
wish
to
maintain
the
ownership
of
the
trend
and
the
TTC
as
an
entirely
integrated
system
owned,
operated
control
by
the
City
of
Toronto.
That's
our
goal.
We
want
the
people
of
Toronto
to
know
that
there
is
a
risk
of
the
system
being
torn
apart,
that
there
are
many
unknowns
in
that
potential
outcome.
I
The
city
believes
that,
for
a
number
of
reasons,
the
TTC
needs
to
have
a
different
funding
arrangement
and
adequate
support
from
all
levels
of
government
that
we
can't
solve
the
problem
of
overcrowded
buses
of
people
standing
at
subway
platforms
for
three
cars
going
by
without
a
new
arrangement
to
improve
transit.
But
the
notion
of
the
integrity
of
this
system,
which
is
what
City
Council,
is
on
record
of
saying.
We
want
to
defend
the
integrity,
have
ownership
within
the
city
ensure
democratic
accountability,
which
is
what
happens
here.
I
Net
commission
meetings,
which,
frankly
at
the
Metrolinx
well
I,
have
great
respect
for
the
staff.
There
there's
a
different
process.
The
public
can't
go
and
make
deputations
like
this.
That's
your
advocacy!
You
don't
have
to
call
people
names,
you
don't
have
to
throw
sticks,
I
put
an
op-ed
in
the
star
which
I'll
pass
around
that
that
was
published
yesterday
and
they
in
the
start
website.
I
I
do
call
into
question
given.
What's
just
happened
in
a
number
of
things
are
on
Queens
Park.
Can
we
trust
that
the
transit
planning
will
will
not
be
distorted
or
politicized?
The
city
of
doesn't
have
to
say
that
the
city
can
say
here's
our
stated
intention
to
maintain
the
system
and
its
integrity,
fully
owned,
operated
and
controlled
by
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
want
the
people
of
Toronto
to
know
what's
at
stake.
I
We
want
the
people
of
Toronto
to
get
engaged
and
tell
your
member
of
provincial
Parliament
what
your
concerns
may
be
when
we
did
that
public
transit
for
the
public
good
campaign
in
2003,
for
there
was
nothing
there
that
that
cast
dispersions
at
the
province
or
or
its
its
rationale,
for
why
it
was
saying,
there's
a
problem
with
fulfilling
our
promises.
We
simply
ensured
that
every
time
somebody
walked
on
a
bus
or
a
streetcar
or
subway,
they
saw
something.
That
said,
it's
not
rocket.
Science.
Good
transit
needs
to
be
funded.
I
I
have
negotiated
at
times
in
what
seemed
to
be
impossible
situations
where
it
was
impossible
for
the
group
of
employees.
You
know
to
achieve
what
they
wanted
and
we
changed
that
terms
and
by
the
way,
I've
also
negotiated
as
an
employer.
Many
many
times
on
the
other
side
of
a
trade
union
asking
me
for
everything
and
the
moon
in
the
stars.
A
I
I
Biggest
power
has
always
been
informed,
active
engaged
citizenry
and
what
I
say
citizens
I
don't
mean
just
Canadian
citizens
I
mean
those
of
us
who
have
come
from
194
countries
in
this
world.
Trying
to
make
this
a
better
place
and-
and
it
does
talk
about
using
other
languages
but
informed
and
engaged
residents,
is
the
key
to
democracy,
and
is
that
also
the
key
to
having
the
right
outcome,
as
none
of
us
individually
have
all
the
answers.
This
is
tough
and
tricky
terrain.
I
We
need
to
be
informed
by
the
expertise,
including
the
experts
who
make
this
thing
run:
move
a
million
to
half
people
a
day,
experts
in
academia
and
planning
in
other
areas
and
ordinary
citizens
and
Orey
residents.
You
know
the
mum,
that's
taken,
the
two
kids
on
the
the
bus
to
drop
off
a
child
care.
Her
voice
needs
to
be
heard
as
one
and.
B
And
so
you
probably
believe
and
and
advise
us
to
make
sure
that
this
public
campaign
also
is
very
in
tune
with
the
consultations
that
actually
feeds
into
the
consultations
that
we're
gonna
have
to
motivate
people
to
attend
to
participate
so
that
we
have
good
outcomes,
good
participation
that
we
engage
the
city
in
these
consultations
that
shouldn't
be
just
be
a
little
paper
that
should
be.
You
know
we
need
to
galvanize
Torontonians
to
be
heard
on
this
issue.
Absolutely.
I
That
that
there's
a
multi-faceted
element
to
the
dynamics
here,
and
so
you
know,
an
education
element
is
one
piece
of
an
engagement.
Authentic
engagement,
including
in
every
neighborhood
in
geography
and
language
community,
is
a
piece
of
it
and
how
there
was
the
wisdom
of
people
is
then
brought
into
the
negotiations
can
make
a
dramatic
difference.
I
There
is
no
real
way
of
being
powerful
in
these
difficult
situations
without
having
and
we've
seen
the
results
already
in
the
green
belt
in
francophone,
we're
seeing
it
now
around
a
parents
of
autistic
families
when
people
are
saying
I
have
deep
concerns.
Most
people
have
to
move
somewhere
and
come
up
with
a
better
answer.
Thank.
A
A
K
You
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
executive
committee
this
morning.
My
name
is
Carlo
Santos
and
I
represent
over
11,500
members
through
the
automated
transit
Union
Local
1
1
3.
These
workers
are
the
lifeblood
of
Toronto.
We
move
Toronto
every
day
and
we
keep
our
city
moving.
The
report
before
you
lays
out
a
path
to
transfer
the
TTC
subway
to
the
province.
I
want
to
be
that's
absolutely
clear:
local
one
trees
against
this
sell-off
of
our
subway.
K
This
is
a
major
issue
for
our
members,
but
also
the
public
I
want
to
put
on
the
record
and
share
the
feelings
of
so
many
TTC
users
that
this
is
a
bad
idea
and
will
not
end
well.
Eighty
one
one
three
is
encouraged
by
council's
support
for
keeping
ownership
of
the
TTC
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
we
support
your
demand
that
the
city
be
completely
involved
and
be
fully
consulted
on
the
future
of
the
system.
However,
this
seems
to
be
a
pipe
dream.
Look
around.
K
The
fort
government
is
tearing
apart
our
health
care
and
education
systems.
Teachers
and
nurses
are
scared
for
their
jobs.
Why
would
we
trust
the
government
to
handle
our
subway
and
the
TTC
when
we
just
have
to
look
at
the
chaos
being
created
in
other
public
services
to
Mayor
John
Tory?
Please
put
it
on
the
record.
Can
you
trust
the
premier
after
all
of
this
I,
think
we
can
establish
that
we
can't
trust
the
Ford
government
to
fully
consult
and
involve
the
city
on
the
upload.
K
Therefore,
it
is
crucial
that
the
city
plan
its
own
robust
consultation
to
protect
our
subway,
our
riders,
our
workers
and
our
city
are
counting
on
it.
Unfortunately,
that
is
not
what
we
see
in
this
document.
The
upload
is
far
too
profound
a
change
in
the
way
that
this
city
works,
to
leave
consultation
to
online
service
surveys
and
open
house
style
town
halls.
If
you
wanted
feedback
on
a
new
bike
lane
or
the
placement
of
a
park,
then
having
people
call
in
or
leave
comments
on
cards
might
be
enough,
but
this
is
a
very
complex
issue.
K
This
is
not
just
a
bike
lane
on
Bloor
or
a
green
space
being
proposed.
This
is
the
lifeblood
of
our
city,
so
why
are
we
dropping
the
ball
and
letting
the
process
run
off
the
tracks?
What
is
needed
is
deep,
varied
consultation
that
gives
the
residents
across
the
city
real
opportunities
to
hear
from
the
experts,
learn
from
the
contributions
of
others
in
the
room
and
make
their
views
heard.
The
city
has
an
opportunity
to
both
stand
up
to
the
Ford
government
that
is
causing
so
much
damage
in
our
city
in
our
province.
K
The
city
has
access
to
a
wealth
of
resources,
including
eleven
thousand
eight
580
u11,
three
members,
who
literally
do
the
heavy
lifting
in
moving
our
city
I,
want
to
make
a
clear
recommendation.
I
want
the
executive
today
to
appoint
a
representative
from
81
1
3
to
the
expert
advisory
committee
tisha
to
ensure
that
the
workers
know
our
system
best
have
a
seat
at
the
table.
Far
too
often
government's
make
decisions
that
will
affect
our
frontline
workers
without
actually
talking
to
those
workers.
K
Finally,
I
hope
the
executive
will
seriously
look
at
and
take
a
chance
to
review
in
options.
1
&
2
of
the
provinces
plan
involved,
transfer
of
subway
maintenance
to
the
province
based
on
the
p3
model
used
by
Metro
links
and
elsewhere.
This
will
result
in
the
privatization
of
maintenance
and
the
loss
of
2500
to
3,000,
family
and
community
supporting
jobs
in
the
GTA.
These
are
good
jobs
in
our
community.
They
keep
families
employed
and
living
in
Toronto
and
the
GTA.
They
ensure
that
children
have
food
on
the
table
and
a
roof
over
their
heads.
K
These
workers
are
citizens,
they
are
taxpayers
and
they
are
voters
and
they
will
not
forget
how
you
act
today.
Our
communities
will
remember
this.
Any
loss
would
be
a
dramatic
blow
to
our
communities
that
we
all
share.
Think
about
the
area
as
you
represent,
and
the
impact
this
change
will
have,
please
think
about
the
future
of
our
city
and
how
we
can
work
together
to
make
sure
we
keep
TTC
on
track.
Thank.
E
You
a
similar
question
to
the
question:
I
posted
mr.
Cartwright
people
could
say
well
you're
just
here
to
make
sure
your
members
still
have
jobs.
If
this
is
it,
but
you,
but
you
say
it's
a
bad
idea.
What,
if
at
the
table
the
province
says?
Oh
we're
gonna
use
a
tu
members.
This
is
still
a
bad
idea,
so.
K
We,
the
City
of
Toronto,
is
obligated
to
the
taxpayers
of
Toronto
to
to
opportu,
run,
operate
and
maintain
the
TTC
right.
So
what
why
would
we
want
the
province
to
operate
it
then,
if
Metro,
if,
let's
just
say,
Metrolinx
takes
it
over,
then
there's
no
there's,
no
accountability.
There's
no
deputations,
there's
no
consultation.
They.
K
E
In
your
deputation,
you
say
that
you,
you
suggest
that
the
the
city
holds
a
broader
consultation.
If
we
can't
count
on
the
province
to
do
it,
the
the
criticism
might
come.
Oh
we're
just
putting
on
a
show
we're
just
providing
the
show
and,
and
only
people
who
say
no
will
be
there.
If
we
have
a
consultation
and
people
come
to
speak
to
all
three
options,
not
just
the
public
option.
Is
that
still
a
worthwhile
exercise?
Does
that
still
make
this
a
more
accountable
decision-making
process
of.
K
A
H
A
L
A
Give
you
one
the
former
mayors
special
bonus,
but
it
will
be
only
limited.
Well,
I,
know
you're
trying
to
you
know,
but
we're
hearing
the
items
together.
So
it
means
theoretically,
one
five
minute
deputation,
but
we'll
just
because
you're,
a
former
mayor
we'll
just
to
be
a
bit
of
latitude
but
to
try
and
deal
with
that.
I.
L
Appreciate,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
first
deputation
was
on
behalf
of
defend
Toronto,
which
is
an
organization
that
has
been
formed
to
try
and
deal
with
with
questions
that
the
government
has
been
been
raising.
The
provincial
government
has
been
raising
I
wanted
to
indicate.
There
are
a
number
of
members
of
defend
Toronto
here
today,
and
maybe
they
could
stand
or
put
up
their
hands,
and
you
get
a
sense
that
there's
there's
people
we've
got
people
and
first
to
relate
to
the
question
of
the
quarterly
report.
L
This
first
quarterly
report
is
very
quick
bit
cryptic.
It
does
not
provide
any
detail
or
what
discussions
have
taken
place
or
the
schedules
of
the
decision-making
and
what
it
will
be.
It
recommends
spending
two
million
dollars
from
an
apart
from
indicating
that
the
lawyer
will
be
retained.
It
says
nothing
about
what
the
funds
will
be
spent
on,
if
proposes
that
the
city
should
reimburse
the
city
for
this
sum.
L
We
believe
that
the
executive
committee
must
adhere
to
council
decisions
and
accordingly,
it
should
instruct
the
city
manager
to
refuse
to
discuss
the
possibility
of
the
provincial
government
taking
ownership
of
the
subway
talking
about
the
other
two
options.
That's
perfectly
fine,
but
the
offer
it
bought.
The
question
of
ownership
council
has
said
no
to
that,
and
there
should
not
be
any
discussions
about
that.
In
our
opinion.
L
In
the
February
20th
letter
to
me,
the
Minister
of
Transport
Jeff
Urich
refers
to
the
terms
of
reference,
and
then
states
quote.
The
government's
position
remains
unchanged.
An
upload
of
subway
infrastructure
to
the
province
will
get
transit,
built
faster
and
fulfill
a
commitment
to
the
building
and
maintenance
of
new
and
existing
subway
lines.
So
the
problems
has
been
pretty
clear
about
what
it
wants
to
do,
at
least
in
the
letter
to
me,
given
the
ability,
the
province
to
enact
legislation
to
obtain
what
it
wants,
in
spite
of
objections
and
council
witnessed
a
reduction
in
size.
L
We
are
in
an
unenviable
situation
and,
as
former
mayors,
barber,
Hall
and
I
are
aware
of
the
importance
of
public
discussion
in
critical
issues
facing
the
city
to
ensure
that
residents
are
aware
of
the
choices
and
their
implications.
This
is
particularly
true
in
cases
such
as
the
subway
upload,
where
many
interested
in
transit
may
not
think
the
change
in
ownership
could
make
much
difference
for
integrated
transit
system.
L
Yet
it
is
clear
when
most
members
of
the
legislature
do
not
represent
Toronto,
they
will
have
little
interest
in
ensuring
the
subway
is
well
funded,
so
it
meets
the
needs
of
those
using
it.
In
Toronto,
the
example
of
New
York
City
is
instructive.
The
state
has
controlled
the
city's
transit
system
for
some
decades
and
it's
not
only
refused
to
inject
funds
needed
to
make
it
run.
Well,
there's
actually
scooped
money
out
of
the
transit
system
devoted
that
money
to
other
state
priorities.
L
We
also
believe
that
public
discussion
will
help
ensure
that
the
laws
regarding
the
compulsory
taking
of
property
in
Ontario
the
expropriation
act
as
an
example
will
be
brought
into
play
to
protect
the
city's
subway
assets.
The
expropriation
Act
requires
the
province
to
hold
a
hearing
to
determine
if
the
taking
is
fair,
sound
and
reasonably
necessary,
and
then
requires
that
market
value
be
paid,
and
if
we
adhered
to
the
expropriation
act
where
they
want
to
take
something
that
we
don't
want
to
give
away.
L
They'd
first
have
to
have
that
hearing
and
we
think
it
would
be
very,
very
helpful
to
find
out
whether
or
not
what
the
province
wants
to
do
is
fair,
sound
and
reasonably
necessary,
as
required
by
the
law
of
Ontario.
Today,
we
would
note
that
today
is
the
first
occasion
when
members
of
the
public
who
had
an
opportunity
to
address
decision-makers
on
this
issue,
even
though
the
council
decision
to
oppose
the
upload
was
made
more
than
three
months
ago.
L
A
E
E
You
want
a
public
information
campaign,
but
one
of
one
of
my
colleagues,
councillor
Ford,
wrote
in
an
op-ed
last
night
saying
you
know,
naysayers
just
want
to
say
no
and
there's
there
there's
no
room
for
a
cooperative
discussion
about
how
to
have
the
best
transit
system
in
the
City
of
Toronto
is
that
the
conversation
defend
Toronto
wants
to
have.
Oh.
A
A
K
Thank
You,
mayor
and
committee
for
having
me
my
name,
is
Moshe
herdsmen.
I
am
a
lifelong
transit
user
as
a
child.
I
would
commute
for
90
minutes
from
westin
and
Lawrence
to
Scarborough
by
bus
and
as
an
adult
I
saved
up
enough
money
to
live
on
campus
and
began
working
downtown.
It
was
a
short
walk
to
school
and
a
90-minute
trip
to
work
at
King
and
University.
The
integrated
bus
system
was
vital
to
my
commute.
The
slightest
delay
would
result
in
me
being
late
and
putting
me
at
risk
with
my
employer.
K
Now
as
a
teenager,
I
was
living
in
Brampton
and
I.
Faced
similar
commute
challenges.
I
had
my
first
brush
with
Metrolinx
when
I
started.
University
initially
I
was
taking
the
go
bus
to
York,
and
that
was
a
45-minute
trip
to
campus.
Then
fairs
began
to
increase
and
my
only
option
was
to
take
the
Brampton
Transit
that
doubled
my
travel
time
and
that
commute
left
me
drained
financially
as
well
as
mentally.
K
So
I've
lived
in
many
places
where
Metrolinx
had
been
active
and
I've
witnessed
how
their
brand
of
transit
modernization
results
in
worse
service
for
more
money.
I
know
that
Doug
Ford
has
no
intention
to
make
the
city
of
Toronto's
transit
system
better.
A
subway
fragmented
from
its
bus
system
does
not
benefit
transit
riders
anywhere.
What
I
want
is
more
people
to
understand
what
it
will
look
like
if
the
province
takes
transit
away
from
the
city
and
that's
why
I'm
asking
you
to
support
a
public
information
campaign
and
to
strengthen
your
stance
to
oppose
to
upload.
A
E
You're
you're
the
youngest
evidence
that
has
spoken
yet,
but,
as
a
daily
writer
you're,
also
pretty
clear
that
we
will
lose
that
sense
of
integration.
If,
if
we
start
to
look
at
other
models
that
that
guiding
principle
that
that
it
has
to
be
continued
to
flow
and
be
fully
integrated,
really,
it
really
isn't
in
plain
language
in
the
report
that
we're
looking
at
here,
really
governance
models,
funding
models
etc,
but
the
fact
that
their
user
will
feel
integration
and
flow
to
the
system
here
and
forever.
After
isn't
really
in
the
language.
E
One
of
the
deputies
said
that
the
public
ought
to
at
least
be
able
to
read
the
report
by
Michael
Lindsay.
The
advisor
read,
who
wrote
a
report
for
the
province,
he's
an
expert
in
p3
financing,
but
we've
heard
of
systems
that
when
they
did
this
joint
ownership,
dual
ownership,
Sydney
Australia
in
New,
York
City
that
that
exactly
what
you're
worried
about
is
exactly
what
happens
that
integration
breaks
down
between
the
different
modes
of
transportation.
A
A
M
Know
the
drill
mr.
Wilson,
yes,
I,
do
and
very
much
for
being
here.
I
fear
that
there's
going
to
be
nothing
good
coming
out
of
this,
this
proposal
for
taking
the
subway
from
us
ford
words
is
backwards.
I
think
we
know
that
and
I
don't
think
they
can
be
trusted
to
do
anything
good
for
the
citizens
of
Toronto,
the
taxpayers
of
Toronto,
the
transit
users
of
Toronto
and
the
environment.
I
fear
that
if
it
does
get
taken
we'll
see
even
more
Subway's
to
sprawl
that
are
a
blight
on
the
economics
of
our
existing
transit.
M
The
Sheppard
subway
is
still
needing
a
subsidy
per
ride.
The
extension
past
York
University
is
also
bleeding
the
system.
We
do
not
need
the
subways
further
into
sprawl,
as
opposed
to
relief,
subway
or
function,
which
is
I,
think
we're.
In
such
a
crisis.
We
have
to
have
relief
function,
not
merely
as
a
subway
or
a
subway,
so
it's
it's
a
shift
in
shaft
and
I.
Don't
think
we're
going
to
do
well.
So
please,
please
strongly
resist
all
of
this
and
start
with
changing
the
language
instead
of
using
their
terms
of
upload.
M
Even
uptake
is
better
I
think
it's
taking
I
think
it's
theft.
It
could
be
part
of
a
smash-and-grab
and
why
not
consider
that
using
the
term
expropriation,
because
again
it's
a
taking
we've
said
no,
and
by
using
the
term
expropriation
I
think
we
have
to
also
figure
in
that.
Yes,
it
is
part
of
an
explore
of
taking
without
consent,
and
that
should
involve
the
expropriations,
Act
I
think
because
that's
another
route
to
get
tied
up
in
courts
by
saying
no,
it's
expropriation
the
right
of.
Why
does
the
expropriation
Act
not
apply?
M
Another
thing
that
I
think
we
should
be
doing
is
asking
the
federal
level
for
disallowance
of
any
bill.
Yes,
we're
in
a
perilous
position,
even
though
Toronto
has
predated
the
formation
of
Ontario,
but
the
federal
level
does
have
the
power
of
disallowance
of
bills,
and
you
can't
just
do
it
because,
oh
we
don't
like
it,
but
there
are
three
reasons:
I
think
for
suggesting
this
path.
M
One
is
on
an
equity
ground
in
that
women
use
transit
a
bit
more
than
men
and
they
needed
more
and
that's
one
issue
as
well
as
defending
the
taxpayers
of
Toronto
and
I.
Think
it
would
be
useful
to
get
a
full.
You
know
you
folks,
would
know
the
numbers
and
do
the
math
get
a
list
of
how
much
the
federal
level
is
actually
contributed
to
the
transit
system
over
the
decades.
It's
the
federal
taxpayer.
That
also
deserves
respect.
M
Can
we
actually
get
that
listing
up
and
that's
one
way
of
that
list
up
and
that's
one
way
of
actually
bringing
the
federal
level
in
because
I'm
sure
they
put
in
a
kabillion
or
two
or
three
or
four
at
this
point
they
might
have
an
interest
in
preserving
you
know
respecting
the
taxpayer.
Another
reason
for
asking
the
federal
level
in
to
disallow
is
that
we
absolutely
need
a
good
functioning,
integrated
public
transit
system
to
be
operating.
M
We
have
such
a
mess
of
our
mobility
right
now
to
have
more
price
mark,
more
price
hikes,
as
I'm
sure
the
privatization
will
probably
bring
in
and
the
chaos.
This
is
not
good
for
our
economy,
we
need
effective
mobility
and
there
are
ways
of
doing
it
beyond
what
mr.
Ford
wants
to
do.
Another
reason
is
the
climate
issue.
The
climate
breakdown
transport
leads
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
M
We
absolutely
have
to
really
ratchet
down
our
emissions
I
think
if
you
start
putting
a
climate
lands
on
what's
going
on
or
what
might
go
on
and
I
have
to
do
this
for
everything
everything
we're
at
404
or
11
parts
co2,
that's
a
horrible
horrible
situation
so
again
change
the
language
use
up.
You
know
at
least
uptake,
if
not
taking,
if
not
theft,
if
not
expropriation,
and
why
not
explore
using
the
expropriations,
act
and
hey
offer
up
the
gardener
instead
of
the
the
the
the
subway.
M
A
N
I'm
here
speaking,
an
ITX
3.1
in
EAX
3.12,
together,
I
reluctantly
I
want
to
say
that
I
accept
the
upload,
but
the
conditions
that
people
are
ready
highest
parking
in
the
last
ten
years.
We
just
build
a
few
kilometers
of
highway
under
your
administration.
Mr.
mayor,
we
are
allowed
to
have
kids
riding
our
TTC
for
free
and
until
the
age
of
12
years
old.
We
thank
you
for
that.
N
This,
this
compressed
occurred,
which
I
am
a
user
or
that
one,
because
I
had
to
pick
up
my
case
on
Saturdays
when
I'm
allowed
to
see
my
children
so
coming
from
Turin
for
Toronto
to
escape,
or
it's
like
an
hour
and
a
half
time.
Inland
I
hope
that
this
upload
with
certainly
achieve
what
we
have
been
able
to
do
in
the
last
10
years,
which
is
to
have,
is
a
sad
way
to
Scarborough
to
the
end
of
the
Scarborough.
Today
we
are
debating
the
lumina
experience
for
the
Toronto
Zoo.
N
What
else
doc
pol
has
a
gun
to
our
foreheads?
It's
called
no
way
standing
claws
seriously.
There
is
no
way
we
can
fight
this
in
court.
He
will
always
win
so
again,
just
repeating
what
other
people
have
speak
about.
It
is
to
engage
with
a
cup
with
a
promise
ensuring
that
we
have
the
best
deal
possible.
N
Well,
that's
all
I
had
to
say
and
I
hope
we
get
the
best
deal
possible
for
Toronto
residents
as
a
bike
activists,
I
ride
a
TT
I
ride
the
bicycle
safe
every
day,
so
I
ensure
that
Bichon
zero,
a
two-burner,
will
address
that
concern
that
I
have
that
you
will
insure
that
bicycle
riders,
like
myself,
are
protected
from
cars
and
accidents
except
to
the
city.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
O
Name
is
mother,
a
car,
Nana
P
I'm,
a
senior
research
analyst
at
the
Council
of
agencies
serving
South
Asians,
also
known
as
Casa
as
someone
who
works,
volunteers
and
lives
in
Scarborough
I
see
public
transport
as
a
great
need
in
my
community.
It
is
therefore
a
paramount
that
robust
and
meaningful
public
consultations
take
place.
We
should
know
the
provinces
plan.
We
should
know
the
impacts
of
the
plan
on
Scarborough
residents.
We
should
know
how
racialized
communities
will
be
impacted
and
we
should
be
consulted.
O
We
should
also
ensure
that
community
voices
are
part
of
the
expert
advisory
panel.
The
province
is
planned
to
take
ownership
of
the
TTC.
Subway's
will
create
significant
and
lasting
changes
to
transfer
governance
in
Toronto,
but
there
has
been
little
transparency
about
what
the
provinces
intentions
are
and
what
the
impacts
will
be.
O
This
lack
of
communication,
consultation
and
consent
is
highly
troubling,
as
there
is
a
lack
of
how
this
plan
will
impact
folks
who
are
in
Scarborough,
especially
again
those
who
are
racialized
who
rely
on
public
transport
and
folks
who
have
many
barriers
when
it
comes
to
employment,
housing,
mobility
and
access.
We
need
to
ask
what
are
the
impacts
of
a
policy?
What
will
be
the
impacts
of
a
policy
on
most
of
the
marginalized
people
in
our
city?
What
will
the
impacts
of
the
policy
be
on?
O
Racialized
people
in
our
city,
casa
is
particularly
concerned
with
the
impacts
of
policies
on
South,
Asian
communities.
Access
to
employment,
social
determinants
of
health,
affordable,
safe
and
reliable
transit
is
needed
to
access
employment
opportunities,
health
care,
food
and
community
connection.
Although
a
little
is
certain
about
the
provinces
plan
based
on
the
information
that
is
available,
we
have
3-series
concerns
about
the
impacts
on
Scarborough
residents
and
the
communities
we
serve.
Delays
to
Rapid,
Transit
affordability
and
accountability.
O
First,
experts
have
warned
the
provinces.
Building
model
will
delete
new
lines.
Rapid
Transit
is
desperately
needed
in
Scarborough
and
to
provide
access
to
important
opportunities.
Affordability
is
another
concern.
The
provincial
transit
agency
has
been
considering
fair
integration
options,
including
fair,
buy
speed
and
fair,
buy
distance.
This
would
especially
impacts
lower-income,
suburban
residents
who
are
charged
more
to
travel,
downtown
or
taxes.
Subway's.
The
options
on
the
negotiation
table
do
not
clearly
state
that
fair
policy
will
continue
to
be
decided
by
the
TTC
and
the
City
of
Toronto.
My
third
concern
is
accountability.
O
It
is
difficult
to
take
time
to
attend
a
committee
meeting
or
a
TTC
board
meeting,
but
it
is
impossible
to
attend
and
speak
at
a
Metrolinx
meeting.
Our
transit
system
needs
to
be
accountable
to
us
and
to
be
open
to
impact
input
from
the
communities.
It
serves.
A
lack
of
consultation
on
decisions
that
will
directly
impact
Scarborough
and
racially
folks
who
rely
on
the
public
resource
is
the
height
of
disrespect
for
our
committees
and
racism
that
is
entrenched
in
policymaking
decisions.
O
For
these
reasons,
the
public
needs
to
be
given
a
meaningful
opportunity
to
both
understand
and
give
input
into
this
plan.
Consultation
must
be
robust
and
must
include
diverse
communities.
We
urge
you
to
make
this
process
transparent
by
launching
meaningful
public
consultations
and
a
public
information
campaign
in
multiple
languages
to
ensure
that
residents
truly
understand
the
potential
impacts
of
this
proposed
change.
Thank
you.
E
E
Is
it
your
view
that
on
those
we
don't
need
to
consult
we're
already
building
them?
If
the
province
wants
to
build
them
and
take
all
the
credit,
we
could
just
say,
here's
the
work
so
far
proceed.
This
is
for
the
LRT,
no,
for
the
the
the
the
lines
that
council
currently
has
approved
of
and
his
building
are
coupled
sparc
track
stations
and
and
the
Scarborough
subway
that
will
go
to
Scarborough
town
centre.
If
they
just
want
to
see
transit
built,
and
they
don't
want
to
slow
it
down,
they
want
to
speed
it
up.
E
O
Think
there
is
more
consultation
and
there's
more
need
for
that,
as
well.
I'm
also
wondering,
in
terms
of
conversation
around
the
LRT
versus
the
Sheppard,
subway
I,
think
that's
a
conversation
that
hasn't
been
happening.
A
lot
of
racialized
communities
and
I
know
in
terms
of
conversations
I've
had
in
our
communities
as
well.
There
seems
to
be
a
lack
of
communication
about
facts
about
what
will
happen
and
again
what
has
been
talked
about
is
funding,
as
well
as
a
Scarborough
residents.
O
As
someone
who
works
in
this
field,
and
especially
in
terms
of
employment,
I'm
wondering
what
exactly
that
would
come
down
in
terms
of
money
and
where
will
the
brunt
be,
and
especially
I'm
wondering
if
it'll
come
to
our
communities
as
well,
so
I
definitely
think
there's
room
for
consultations
and
communications
and
again
with
the
provinces
plan,
as
this
continues
on
I.
Think
they're
absolutely
needs
to
be
more
consultation,
so.
E
They
still
want
to
have
that
conversation,
but
the
various
modes
provide
more
or
fewer
stations
they
still.
We
can
build
that
into
the
consultation,
but
you
think
they
still
want
to
have
that
conversation,
particularly
you
know
disproportionate
in
the
the
ridership.
Are
racialized
communities
do
they
feel
like
they
haven't
been
consulted
enough
yeah.
O
Absolutely
I
think
there
are
absolutely
needs
to
be
more
consultations
and
there
has
to
be
an
integrated
approach,
so
oftentimes
in
conversations
does
not
just
access
to
the
actual
transit,
but
it's
regarding
employment.
How
do
you
actually
work
around
your
life?
Knowing
that
trans
is
one
of
the
key
factors
and
so
having
consultations
with
folks
that
are
probably
not
at
the
table?
Oftentimes,
especially
racialized
folks,
who
can't
be
there
right
and
seeing
it
as
a
360
at
360
holistic
model
right.
A
Councillor
Carol
other
questions
from
members
of
council
or
members
of
the
committee
hearing.
None
all
thank
you
very
much
for
the
deputation.
We
continue
to
move
along
then
to
the
list
of
because
the
next
speaker
is
not
any
longer
speaking.
The
next
speaker
on
item
under
item
IX
3.12,
since
we're
hearing
them
together
is
Alan
Kaspersky.
P
Good
morning,
mr.
mayor
councillors,
recently
sometimes
you
read
a
book.
You
listen
to
someone
speak
about
a
topic
and
you
realize
that
what
they've
written,
what
they've
said
is
as
good
as
you
could
ever
think
about
or
or
or
relate
on
your
own.
That
happened
to
me
recently
and
I'd
like
to
tell
you
about
that.
A
little
bit
the
other
week,
I
was
at
Ben
McNally
books
just
down
the
street
I'm
sure.
Most
of
you
probably
know
it.
If
you
don't
I
highly
recommend
it.
P
I
went
to
a
book
lunch
organized
by
Peter,
McLeod
yeah,
the
the
CEO
of
mass
LBP,
and
the
book
was
written
by
David
Moss
crop.
It's
called
dumb
for
democracy.
Why
we
make
bad
political
decisions
and
how
we
can
make
better
ones
and
and
I'd
like
to
speak
to
some
of
things
that
David
talked
about
that
night.
P
There
were
about
a
hundred
people
or
so
there,
and
it
was
almost
like
he
was
speaking
me
too
directly
and
I-
think
it's
appropriate
to
3.12
according
to
David.
He
asked
the
question:
are
we
too
dumb
for
democracy?
His
answer
was,
and
short
answer
was
no
or
not.
Not
really,
however,
we're
often
made
to
feel
as
if
we
are
we're,
often
stuck
in
situations
that
encourage
or
lead
us
to
make
dumb
or
what
mosque
refers
to
as
bad
political
decisions.
P
It's
not
that
we
lack
the
capacity
to
make
good
decisions,
but
rather
we
do
not
have
the
incentive
skills,
resources
or
opportunities
to
do
so,
and
so
we
keep
making
bad
political
decisions
and
they
keep
catching
up
with
us.
So
what's
a
bad
political
decision,
a
bad
political
decision
is
one
driven
by
bias,
poor
or
incorrect
information
or
hidden
motives.
It's
a
decision
often
made
on
instinct
without
research
or
reflection,
the
sort
of
decision
we
were
likely
to
rationalize
in
the
face
of
challenge.
It's
something
we're
all
prompted
prone
to
do.
P
What
a
bad
political
decision
is
not
something
that
we
make
or
that
I
disagree
with
councillor
Carroll
makes
a
decision.
I
disagree
with
it
must
be.
A
bad
decision
doesn't
necessarily
follow
bad
political
decisions.
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
to
you
about
the
1984
liberal
convention,
the
election.
That
year,
when
I
worked
in
the
PMO,
there
was
a
ton
of
bad
decisions
made
that
year,
but
I
digress
ma
scraps
idea
of
a
good
political
decision,
however,
does
not
require
any
specific
outcome.
P
He
does
not
presuppose
that
any
opinion,
policy,
law
or
electoral
outcome
is
a
good
one
simply
because
he
agrees
with
it.
Counsel
Thompson
makes
a
decision.
I
agree
with.
It
must
be
a
good
decision
that
doesn't
necessarily
follow
what
ma
Scott
mostly
cares
about
his
process.
Why?
Because
he
writes
the
process
of
reaching
a
good
decision,
is
independent
of
political
parties,
affiliations,
beliefs
or
staunchly
held
opinions.
It
does
not
matter
if
you're,
a
conservative,
liberal
or
a
Democrat.
P
What
matters
is
how
you
come
to
your
conclusions
in
your
policies
and
since
democracy
requires
repeated
political
decisions
over
time.
Achieving
and
maintaining
good
processes,
regardless
of
where
you
are
in
the
political
spectrum,
sets
us
up
for
success
in
the
long
run.
Now
it
may
be
the
case
as
he
continued
that
bad
political
process
as
bad
decision-making
process
leads
to
bad
outcomes.
Climate
change
is
a
result
of
bad
political
decisions
substantively
and
procedurally.
This
is
why
he
thinks
that
if
you
fix
the
end
outcome,
you
get
the
record.
P
If
you
fix
the
outcomes,
we
would
get
requires
that
we
fix
the
process
that
we
use
to
make
decisions.
So
how
often
do
we
do
you
disagree
with
a
political
decision
made
by
someone
else
all
the
time,
but
we
are
more
likely
to
accept
the
decision
if
we
think
that
is
a
product
of
a
process
that
we
support
as
fair
and
legitimate.
So,
yes,
getting
to
better
decisions
about
what
we
ought
to
do
requires
that,
whatever
else
we
do,
we
adopt
a
better
process
for
decision
making.
P
P
Good
political
decision
is
also
autonomous.
You
have
to
be
able
to
explain
it
to
yourself
and
to
someone
else.
We
make
good
political
decisions
when
we
have
enough
good
information
to
work
with
the
time
and
resources
to
sort
through
it
and
the
skills
to
work
through
that
what
we
want
and
why
we
want
it.
A
good
political
decision
also
includes
the
ability
to
explain
our
reasoning.
It's
not
enough
to
just
to
say
just
because
at
least
not
if
we
want
to
meet
the
standards
of
a
democracy
in
which
we
treat
each
other
respectfully.
P
So,
in
short,
a
good
political
decision
belongs
to
us
items.
3.12
speaks
to
that.
It
speaks
to
the
idea
and
mr.
mayor,
you
talked
about
the
city
managers
list
of
public
consultations.
I
think
there
was
one
thing
that
was
missing:
citizen
assemblies
there
are
people
in
this
city,
I'll
have
to
ask
you
to
come
to
absolutely
just
so.
You
know
fair
enough.
I
looked
if
we're
gonna
make
a
good
political
decision.
It
needs
to
include
all
of
us,
and
I
would
like
to
be
part
of
that
in
whatever
way,
I
can
thank.
E
E
P
It
is
because
if
the
processes
seemed
to
be
fair,
open
informed,
you
will
get
people
to
participate
in
it.
Queen's
Park,
our
politicians
like,
like
you,
are
like
a
lot
of
people.
They
will
listen.
We
would
hope
to
what
people
would
say
to
them.
If
you
want
people
to
participate
in
a
you
know,
process
if
you
want
them
to
trust
the
decisions
you
make
are
good
ones.
You
need
to
go
beyond
public
to
town
halls.
P
Town
halls
are
interesting
and
we
get
lots
of
information,
but
do
I
feel
I
have
a
say
or
some
influence
in
the
decision
that's
made
I,
don't
my
hope
that
I
influence
what
you
think
what
the
people
around
the
table
think
but
I
never
know
that
I.
Think
if
you
want
a
good
process,
a
good
outcome
to
include
all
of
us
I
think
that
can
reflect
up
to
Queen's
Park.
P
P
It
should
be
I
mean
I.
Look
at
Ireland,
Ireland
was
wrestling
with
abortion.
Do
they
allow
it?
They
do
not
allow
it
Catholic
country
in
all
those
kind
of
things.
What
did
they
do?
They
got
99
people
together,
representative
of
the
country,
and
they
listened
to
expert
panels.
They
listened
to
deputations,
they
they
they
had
meetings
after
meeting
after
meeting,
and
they
made
a
series
of
recommendations
to
the
Irish
parliament
and
the
vote
on
whether
abortion
should
be
legalized
or
not.
I.
P
Think
you
would
you
would
do
the
same
thing
here
in
Toronto
you
had
99
people
representative
of
the
whole
city
that
made
recommendations
to
you
to
Queens
Park
about
what
should
happen
with
al
upload.
If
there's
an
upload,
no
upload
whatever
it
happens,
to
be
this,
the
relationship
that
should
happen
between
the
city
and
the
and
the
province.
I
think
that
would
help
I
really
do.
P
A
H
Am
a
proud
senior
I'm,
an
ambassador
for
Karp
Toronto
and
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Toronto
seniors
forum
here
at
City,
Hall
and
I
use
transit
system
daily.
Mr.
mayor,
thank
you
for
asking
the
city
manager
to
create
a
robust
public
consultation
and
public
information
initiatives
around
this
uploding
issue
and
also
a
thank
you
to
councillor
crécy
and
Macklowe
for
the
propositions.
All
of
us
need
to
know.
What's
going
on
here,
the
uploading
or
not
of
the
TTC
impacts
the
future
of
our
children,
our
grandchildren
and
our
great-grandchildren.
H
They
are
counting
on
us
to
do
right
by
them.
This
means
that
people
want
the
process
transparent
with
meaningful
public
consultations
so
that
the
residents
understand
the
pros
and
cons,
benefits,
risks
and
our
options.
Uploading
or
not.
The
TTC
is
of
great
concern
to
all
seniors
and
tall
Torontonians,
because
many
of
us
use
the
system
to
get
back
and
forth
from
work
to
keep
engaged
in
activities
at
senior
centers
or
go
to
school
libraries,
universities
for
medical
appointments,
social
engagements
and
just
getting
together
with
friends
and
family
all
over
the
city.
H
These
are
the
social
determinants
of
health.
Modest
investments
in
transit
over
20
years
have
left
our
system
overcrowded
to
the
breaking
point
and
dangerous
during
peak
periods,
and
it's
also
losing
riders.
We
know
that
city
council
is
also
currently
working
with
the
province
and
other
governments
on
a
growth
plan
for
the
greater
Golden
Horseshoe.
So
we
realize
the
need
for
regional
systems
that
plug
into
one
another
seamlessly
moving
people
around
the
region
and
back
and
forth.
H
We
know
that
this
transit
plan
will
take
all
three
levels
of
government,
the
city,
the
region
and
the
province
constructively
working
together
to
make
it
a
reality.
But
this
city
is
our
city
and
we
need
to
be
part
of
the
visioning
of
our
future.
So
we
need
to
be
part
of
that
discussion.
Toronto
is
a
hub
of
this
greater
Golden
Horseshoe
at
the
center
of
the
expansion,
and
it
must
be
strong
to
hold
and
tie
the
region's
together
and
still
serve
the
people
who
are
entering
the
city
to
play
and
work.
H
When
New
York,
City's,
Rapid
Transit
was
uploaded
to
another
level
of
government.
Money
started
disappearing
from
New
York,
his
regional
priorities
and
the
discussion
of
expenditures
went
there
instead,
please
do
not
let
that
happen
here
are
underfunded.
City
transit
system
is
already
using
band-aids
to
hold
itself
together
the
province
focusing
on
new
regional
priorities
before
fixing.
What
we
need
here
in
the
city
needs
real
thought
what
happens
to
our
priorities
like
our
relief
line,
the
Edmonton
East
LRT
in
the
waterfront.
Our
subway
system
is
also
highly
integrated
and
connects
buses
and
streetcars
and
stations.
H
If
the
province
owns
the
subway
system,
what
happens
if
the
elevator
goes
down?
Will
there
be
even
more
delays,
because
TTC
has
to
call
up
a
company
to
do
maintenance
and
nobody
can
do
it
in-house
and
it
affects
more
than
the
TTC.
Take
the
air
rights
discussion
developing
apartments
over
TTC
stations.
Does
this
also
include
new
social
and
affordable
housing
quotas?
So
will
you
be
negotiating
for
inclusionary
zoning
at
20%
for
people
who
need
deeply
affordable
rents?
H
Basically,
it's
very
expensive
for
low-income
seniors
to
use
the
underfunded
system,
as
it
is,
new
numbers
out
of
City
Hall
are
showing
50%
50%
of
Toronto
seniors
are
leaving
living
between
25,000
and
$27,000
per
year.
Some
have
to
skip
meals
to
buy
now
or
not
buy
their
medicine
or
not
go
to
their
doctor.
Well,
uploading
our
TTC
make
it
more
affordable
for
these
people.
The
prices
just
went
up
again
exacerbating
the
existing
problem
overcrowding.
H
There
is
a
massive
overcrowding
at
certain
times
during
the
day,
both
in
the
vehicles
and
inside
the
stations
and
on
the
platform's
leading
to
safety
and
security
problems,
especially
if
one
is
physically
challenged.
In
addition,
it
is
similar
at
the
buses
and
shelters
and
the
wait
times
is
loading
up
loading
the
TTC
going
to
fix
that,
or
is
that
going
to
exacerbate
that
as
well
and
the
last
one
is
accessibility?
We
know.
There's
a
schedule,
but
40%
of
the
TTC
stations
still
have
to
update
and
retrofit
and
signage
inside
and
outside
is
a
huge
problem.
H
E
You
yeah
youyou
speak
to
some
of
the
sort
of
detail
things
that
are.
It
sounds
like
what
you're
talking
about
is
in
an
ongoing
way.
A
senior's
organization.
Leakers
would
have
to
continue
to
advocate
for
things
you
know
a
change
in
the
signage
or
whatever
one
of
the
experiences
that
groups
talk
about
in
the
research
I've
done
on
Sydney.
E
Is
that
that's
one
of
the
things
that's
most
difficult
when
it
comes
to
the
subway,
which
is
now
entirely
New,
South
Wales
Council
can
really
only
talk
about
the
parking
spaces
around
it
and
that's
about
it
and
then
and
then,
and
then
they
just
operate
the
system
on
a
threadbare
budget
to
fair
box
and
whatever
New
South
Wales
provides,
but
they
don't
have
any
control
over
design
and
signage,
and
things
like
that.
Your
organisation
is
speaking
to
that,
probably
because
you've
advocated
for
for
a
long
time
to
all
governments.
H
This
is
about
listening
to
lived
experience
when
you,
when
we
hold
these
public
consultations,
and
you
ask
people
what
they
think
you're
going
to
get
those
three
issues
coming
up
over
and
over
again.
Those
are
the
solutions
to
a
fluid
transit
system
that
gets
people
moving,
not
throughout
Toronto
and
the
GTA
and
even
further
into
the
regions
as
it
expands.
Those
are
the
issues
that
touch
and
face
the
people
using
using
the
system,
but.
H
Well,
it's
been
underfunded
for
20
years,
so
no,
not
really,
but
the
answer
is
to
listen
to
the
people.
We're
behind
you
I
mean
seriously.
It's
like
John
Cartwright
said
like
there
are
hundreds
of
thousands
of
us
behind
you
in
this
negotiation,
because
these
are
our
needs.
These
are
our
needs.
Our
daily
needs
our
everyday
needs.
I
don't
want
to
take
my
life
in
my
hand
when
I
try
and
get
on
a
subway
at
five
o'clock
or
6
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
A
Q
Morning,
I'm
just
here
to
say,
first
and
foremost,
realistically
speaking,
the
province
can
kind
of
do
what
it
wants
and
it
proved
that
when
it
downsized
the
downsized,
Toronto
City
Council,
we
know
the
government
we're
dealing
with.
But,
like
a
lady
just
mentioned,
the
people
are
behind
you.
So
when
it
comes
to
this
negotiation,
I
I
really
hope
that
you're
not
just
listening
to
the
complaints.
But
the
fact
that
there's
just
support-
and
you
know
just
like
how
you
represent
us-
we
have
something
that
we
want
you
to
represent.
Q
If
the
takeover
goes
ahead,
the
subway
I
believe,
would
be
transferred
transferred
to
the
province,
the
provinces,
transportation
agency
and,
let's
keep
in
mind
that
the
citizens
can
depute.
Speaking
to
the
councillor
about
every
aspect
of
transit
services,
mara,
Tori
I
know
you
stated
the
real
decision.
Time
will
come
once
those
discussions
have
happened
and
whether
or
not
they
produce
some
kind
of
deal
for
change
from
the
status
quo.
That
is
good
for
employees,
transit,
riders
and
anybody
else.
Q
That
is
a
stakeholder
from
the
City
of
Toronto
and
I,
agree
to
a
certain
extent
but
I'm.
Nowhere
convinced
about
this
upload
by
the
provincial
government,
most
especially
because
there
is
no
transparency.
The
province
does
not
mentioned
anything
about
improving
the
reliable
of
the
subway
system
as
a
reason
for
the
desire
to
take
control.
That's
a
bit
concerning.
Instead,
the
premier
and
the
transportation
minister
have
almost
exclusively
mentioned
about
how
this
would
be
great
for
enabling
expansion
in
Ontario.
Q
We
owe
transit
riders
transparency.
Some
transit
riders
are
never
going
to
care
about
which
government
owns
the
subway
trains
they
ride
so
long
as
it
gets
them
to
their
destinations,
and
not
everyone
sits
on
a
crowded,
subway
and
things.
You
know
what
who
owns
this
this
transit
system?
That's,
not
the
thoughts
of
many
riders,
no
matter
how
crowded
it
is,
but
transit
riders
just
want
improve
service
and
a
local
platform
that
allows
them
to
express
concerns
and
their
suggestions.
Q
Well,
what
is
the
answer
to
improve
service
I
believe
the
solution
is
to
fund
the
system
adequately,
keep
public
transit,
publicly
owned,
keyword,
publicly,
operated
and
maintained.
There
are
too
many
words
from
the
province
left
undefined.
At
this
point,
it's
not
clear
how
the
whole
process
might
translate
to
better
service
promises
are
always
the
easy
part
of
of
who
start
promises
are
always
the
easy
part,
no
matter
who
owns
a
subway
but
plans
to
spend
billions
on
lines
tomorrow.
Q
Do
not
keep
the
trains
running
today,
and
that
is
a
fact
we
all
local
transit
riders
information
on
this
considered
upload.
We
need
to
make
it
very
clear
to
citizens
in
every
possible
way
we
can.
If
the
province
wants
to
take
over
the
transit
system,
I
believe
they
should
at
least
have
a
plan,
and
it
should
not
be
questionable.
That
is
all.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
A
R
So,
while
we're
waiting
for
a
text
port
to
be
properly
set
up,
I
just
want
to
say
good
morning
and
thank
you
for
the
honor
and
privilege
of
defeating
here
at
Executive
Committee,
it's
my
first
time
here
and
I'm,
also
recovering
from
a
cold.
So
you'll
excuse
me
from
sounding
a
little
news.
All
I've
been
trying
to
drink.
A
A
R
R
Okay,
okay,
good
morning
my
name
is
Helen
Lee,
full
disclosure,
I'm
a
board
member,
the
transit
advocacy
group,
TTC
riders,
but
I
speak
today.
As
a
professional
advocate
and
veteran
transit
rider.
I
will
start
by
telling
you
a
bit
about
my
TDC
journey
and
why
I
care
about
the
city
manager's
report,
then
I
will
share
my
position
on
the
upload
and
how
I
would
like
the
committee
to
vote.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Toronto,
since
the
age
of
twelve
CDC
has
been
my
better
way
of
getting
around
this
fair
city.
It
never
stood
for.
R
R
Now
I
have
experienced
the
full
spectrum
of
TC
service.
You
know
from
absolute
fun
to
absolutely
frustrating
my
frustration
drove
me
to
major
in
city
studies
at
the
University
of
Toronto
Scarborough.
It
was
there
I
learned
why
Toronto
has
a
world-class
transit
system
without
the
world-class
funding,
to
sum
up
over
30
years
of
inadequate
subsidies
and
abdication
of
responsibility
from
all
three
levels
of
government.
R
It
also
drove
me
to
join
the
fledging.
A
Transit
FC
group
called
TTC
riders
and
I've
been
a
proud
member
since
2012
by
day
I'm
a
social
justice
paralegal
with
a
focus
on
housing
law.
You
know
by
night
I
advocate
for
both
tenants
and
transit
riders
in
Toronto.
You
know,
I'm
a
professional
advocate
on
the
clock
and
off
the
clock.
It's
what
I
do.
R
Transit
advocacy
in
Toronto
is
not
an
easy
job
and
I
do
it
as
a
volunteer.
You
know
I'm,
not
driven
by
money,
but
desire
to
fight
for
an
accessible
and
affordable
transit
system.
For
my
fellow
riders
in
2019
I've
expanded
my
mission
to
include
fighting
for
try.
The
justice
I
have
taken
up
the
fight
because
the
bully
in
Queens
Park
thing
as
Toronto
can
be
broken
up
into
parts
and
sold
to
the
lowest
bidder.
R
So
I
don't
understand
why
you
continue
to
use
the
term
upload.
The
fact
that
the
city
manager
uses
quotation
marks
for
upload
indicates
massive
uncertainty
and
skepticism
of
what
it
actually
means.
The
bully
in
Queen's
Park
does
not
know
what
upload
means.
Myth
the
province
and
Metrolinx
will
build
transit
faster
in
Toronto
facts.
R
The
TDC
does
a
decent
job
building
and
maintaining
Toronto's
transit
system
on
its
shoestring
budgets
fact.
Adequate
subsidies
will
enable
the
CDC
to
build
transit
faster
to
catch
up
with
this
massive
capital
repair
backlog,
among
other
things,
and
see
just
another
fact,
which
I
think
is
really
important.
The
TDC
has
been
around
for
98
years.
R
Metrolinx
has
been
around
for
13
years.
The
bullion
Queen's
Park
has
been
there
for
less
than
a
year,
so
I
think
just
based
on
experience
alone.
You
know
TDC
city
employees
know
what
they're
doing
and
it's
insulting
to
insinuate.
Otherwise,
I
know
what
upload
means.
It
means
wholesale
takeover
and
theft
of
public
assets
that
belong
to
Toronto
assets
that
have
commercial
air
rights
and
development
potential
that
are
attractive
to
the
police.
Friends,
and
we
all
know
how
much
he
likes
to
help
his
friends
to
the
exec
of
committee.
I.
R
Ask
that
you
direct
the
city
manager
to
approach
negotiations
this
way,
one
the
city
does
not
have
to
approach
discussions
in
good
faith.
As
the
province
proposed,
the
upload
in
bad
faith,
you
don't
have
to
disclose
information
immediately.
A
tactic
illegal
tactic
is
to
delay
to
adjourn.
You
know,
based
on
the
terms
of
reference
reasonable
time,
for
the
sharing
information
is
15
business
days.
That's
not
a
long
time,
especially
in
a
legal
environment.
You
know
in
the
court
system.
You
know
these
things
take
time.
Disclosure
process
takes
time.
R
R
Third,
the
public
deserves
to
know
what
upload
actually
means
so
I
ask
that
you
support
the
motion
from
councillors
Laden
and
that
Lowe
to
hold
an
extensive
public
consultation
process
about
this
subject.
You
know
as
a
paralegal
I've
negotiated
settlements
for
my
clients,
so
you
can.
We
have
have
for
the
discussions
if
you'd
like
further
suggestions,
if
you
want
for
the
suggestions,
I'll.
R
G
R
A
A
D
S
No
there's
no
reason
why,
unless
there
is
some
other
matter,
they
bring
to
my
attention
where
I
you
know
could
be
violating
privacy
or
other
laws,
but
generally
speaking,
though,
our
intent
here
is
to
be
very
transparent
with
each
other
and
so
to
answer
your
question
specifically
I
would
expect
that
I'd
be
able
to
share
with
you
what
they
provided
me.
Okay,.
D
In
the
terms
of
reference
there
are
in
the
agreement
that's
proposed
here.
There
are
three
options
that
are
considered
various
degrees
of
upload.
Often
in
conversations
like
this
there's,
another
option
that's
considered,
which
is
to
compare
any
of
those
to
doing
nothing.
Does
the
current
agreement
propose
that
as
one
of
the
things
that
will
be
studied
and
compared
to
other
models.
S
S
So
is
the
funding
arrangement
is
clear,
so
I
mean
that
if
that's
the
definition
of
do
nothing
that
isn't
fully
covered
I
think
in
what
we
call
stream
three,
however,
I
do
want
to
say
this
and
I
think
the
the
delegates
certainly
seemed
to
pick
up
on
it
as
well.
There's
there's
nothing.
Stopping
us
I
think
in
stream,
three
from
saying
that
the
system
should
be
kept
in
our
ownership,
stay
with
us
in
terms
of
operating
and
maintenance,
but
yet
still
have
an
opportunity
under
streams
for
you
to
discuss
revenue
options
and
other
governance
of.
D
S
That
was
certainly
our
intent
through
the
chair,
I
think
with
this
option
here
with,
though
the
ability
to
be
at
the
table
to
see
whether
or
not
we
can
negotiate
a
different
funding
arrangement
in
order
to
sustain
the
asset
that
we
presently
own
in
the
asset
that
we'd
like
to
expand.
So
that's
the
intent.
D
Final
question
and
I'm
not
sure
that
you
would
know
this
mr.
Murray,
because
you
weren't
here,
but
if
memory
serves
City
of
Toronto
and
the
TTC
have
previously
jointly
run
public
campaigns
through
advertising
on
transit
vehicles,
for
example
around
the
need
to
clear
the
capital
backlog
that
I
think
took
place
in
2003,
for
where
we
had
that
mountain
of
vehicles
that
we
needed
was
there
anyone,
maybe
mr.
Fogg,
remembers
or
I,
can.
D
F
E
You
yeah
to
be
fair.
Councillor
perks,
went
further
back
than
mr.
Ross
have
the
concerns
that
we
hear
from
the
deputies
are
reflective
of
the
concern
about
the
system
as
it
exists
today,
but
it's
hard
for
them
to
get
comfort
from
the
documents
we
always
when
they.
They
say:
here's
a
principle,
for
instance
all
the
four
instances
and
all
of
the
messaging
when
we're
hearing
from
anyone
in
the
provinces,
for
instance,
if
we
were
building
a
new
line
so
without
trying
to
get
you
to
divulge
what
you
can't
divulge,
but
how?
E
S
So
I'll
start
I
think
through
the
chair,
I
mean,
as
is
hopefully
evident
by
our
report.
I
mean
our
terms
of
reference
were
approved
last
month
and
we
had
committed
to
you
in
December
we'd,
be
back
at
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
and
so
just
to
hit
our
time
commitment.
That's
why
we're
here
today
so
in
many
respects,
what
we're
what's
in
front
of
you
is
very
conceptual
in
nature
and
I
and
I.
S
Think
I,
hear
very
clearly
from
what
the
constituents
are
saying
is
that
they
would
like
to
a
lot
more
details
about
what
do
these
options
really
entail,
and
so
because
that
therein
lies
the
devil
and
is
what
specifically
and
to
the
comment
about
why
we
put
quotation
marks
around
upload
I'm.
You
know
it's
going
to
become
more
and
more
evident
what
upload
really
really
means,
and
so
it's
what
we're
hearing
I
think
here
today
is.
S
They
want
to
understand
specifics
around
what
these
options
really
entail
and
I
would
only
say
to
you
that,
given
where
we
are
in
this
process,
we're
not
there
yet
where
we
can
and
in
the
kind
of
details.
I
think
the
the
audience
here
in
the
community
in
general
wants
to
hear
in
you
wanna
hear
so
we're
working
through
that
those
are
the
kinds
of
conversations
we're
starting
to
have.
That's.
E
And
there
is
a
there
is
a
real
push.
We
heard
it
from
the
very
first
deputation
on
the
public
would
have
more
comfort
if
they
were
looking
at
Michael
Lindsay's
report
and,
if
we're
still
in
this
sort
of
nebulous
nailing
down
the
guiding
principles
in
terms
of
reference.
I
I
can't
help
thinking
that,
perhaps
that
that
report
is
nebulous
enough.
That
there's
no
reason
why
the
public
couldn't
have
a
look
at
it
is
it
has
that.
Has
that
ever
been
discussed?
E
How
much
here
planning
to
give
to
the
public
so
that
when
we
go
back
to
the
city
where,
where
we
have
meetings
like
this,
where
we
always
make
our
subject
our
sausage
in
public,
that
we
will
be
able
to
give
as
many
details
as
possible
to
them.
Is
there
any
discussion
of
how
do
we
get
Michael
Lindsay's
report
out
into
the
open?
E
S
C
S
There
is
a
certain
not
unique
to
our
situation,
but
you
know,
reports
to
cabinet
tend
to
be
confidential,
so
in
nature
not
unique
to
this,
but
in
general,
that's
the
nature.
So
you
know,
our
goal
here
is
to
be:
is
profoundly
transparent
as
possible
in
terms
of
you
know
what
these
options
amount
to
and
what
we're
going
to
evaluate
what
the
analysis
means
and-
and
hopefully
people
are
taking
from
our
intent
and
our
report
that
the
consultation-
and
it
was
councillor
Fletcher
with
the
support
of
council
in
the
mayor
that
add
the
word
meaningful.
S
E
Just
one
other
question,
mr.
mayor,
and
that
is
in
the
absence
of
knowing
where
he
went
for
research:
do
you
have
your
staff
looking
at
research
in
other
cities,
where
they're
both
provincial
and
federal
governance
issues,
that
sort
of
go
in
the
direction
of
the
of
the
three
different
streams
here?
Are
we
doing
other
city
research
and
places
like
Sydney,
New,
York,
etc?
Yeah.
S
E
E
A
G
S
G
Do
you
recall
in
1998,
when
we
amalgamated,
when
the
province
forced
us
to
Malcom
eight
with
six
cities
and
the
mayor's
former
mayors,
including
myself,
we
had
a
referendum
vote,
everyone
in
the
city
voted
for
the
amount
against
the
amalgamation.
Do
you
recall
at
that
time
and
and
everything
was
downloaded
to
the
municipalities,
what
was
downloaded
as
far
as
TTC
to
the
municipality,
so
I
mean
now
they're
uploading,
so
tell
us
right.
S
H
A
F
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
mayor
through
you
to
the
city
manager,
miss
Burke
woods,
had
concerns
with
respect
to
the
issues
around
governance,
and
you
heard
her
comments
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
anything
that
you
could
add
to
perhaps
help
to
enhance
that
concern
that
she
had
expressed
in
her
presentation.
So.
S
If
I
can,
through
the
chair,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
what
what
she
said
does
afford
us
an
opportunity
in
the
options
and
in
particular,
option
three
to
to
explore
exactly
what
she's
talking
about
you
know
and
again,
I
think
where
we
started
with
the
negotiations
with
the
province.
You
know
which
I
would
say
in
the
very
beginning,
they
were
very.
If
you
will
almost
laser
focused
and
whether
it
is
they
were
trying
to
accomplish.
S
We
did
manage
by
being
at
the
table
to
broaden
the
consideration
to
allow
us
to
have
the
kinds
of
you
know.
Ideas
put
on
the
table
that
that
the
first
deputy
to
provide
it
so
I
would
say
it's
Kath.
Could
it
be
further?
You
know
enunciated
over
the
you
know
the
days
and
weeks
ahead.
I
would
say
absolutely
so
it's
but
I
think
the
intent
of
the
third
option
is
to
capture
some
of
those
opportunities
and.
F
That's
a
reason
why
I
asked
you
the
question,
because
initially
when
this
was
suggested
or
proposed
mm-hmm,
it
was
rather
narrow.
Absolutely
so
you
broadened
that.
So,
with
respect
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
from
the
public
of
here
today,
you
are
actually
trying
to
expand
this
discussion
to
include
more
opportunities
and
options
for
us,
so
that
if
we
were
to
consider
it
would
be
something
that's
in
our
best
interests
through
the
chair.
Absolutely
right
now
with
respect
to
mr.
F
F
Of
course
it
would
be
helpful
to
you,
because
then
it
would
be
offering
afforded
to
the
public
at
large
to
be
able
to
review
detailed
information
that
you
have,
because
you've
indicated
that
you're
prepared
to
release
information
that
you
have
within
the
limitation
that
allows
you
to
release
such
information.
If
you
are
able
to
write
through.
F
So
I
have
such
a
motion
coming
forward,
so
hopefully
we
can
support
that
and
then
just
the
it's.
My
final
question
recognising
the
authority
that
the
province
has
so
would
I
be
correct
to
say
that
the
province
could
simply
come
to
the
city
to
suggest
that
they
were
taking
the
the
the
the
subway
system
without
any
discussion
through.
F
That
was
that
is
that
a
possibility
through
the
chair
absolutely
right,
so
there
is
an
opportunity
now,
obviously
to
engage,
and
you
have
expanded
that
greatly
with
respect
to
the
stream
three
on
page
six,
to
really
broaden
this
discussion,
so
I
would
think
we've
come
a
long
way
visa
V.
What
was
initially
proposed.
Would
you
agree
through.
S
A
S
B
S
If
I
can
threw
the
chair,
I
mean
obviously
I
mean
I,
mean
I'm
in
a
good
position
that,
as
a
as
a
co-lead
on
this
I,
have
the
CEO
that
TTC
so
in
terms
of
and
he's
the
person
that
I
look
to
having
the
relationship
with
the
union.
So
you
know
again,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
him.
So
if
Rick
wishes
to
answer
the
question
as
you've
raised
it,
then
if.
B
B
With
the
in
the
report
asks
for
two
million
dollars,
I
mean
to
have
robust
consultations
and
to
engage
the
city
and
to
in
you
know,
advertise
all
these
things.
Even
though
we
have
some
methods,
you
need
some
funds.
Do
you
feel
that
the
two
million
dollars
will
be
enough
to
cover
a
robust
consultation
on
public
engagement
campaign.
S
Again
through
the
chair,
I
mean
that's
been
built
into
that
figure,
along
with
the
the
solicitor
that
we're
talking
about
and
in
some
other
kind
of
analysis
or
investigative
work,
not
unlike
what
was
raised
earlier.
So
we
believe
at
this
time,
but
we
also,
if
need
be,
we
will
come
back
but
I
mean
I.
Think
we've
tried
to
establish
a
budget
that
we
feel
can
cover
the
scope
of
work
that
we
need
to
undertake
at
this
phase.
Yes,.
A
D
You
very
much
mr.
Marin,
and
and
thanks
especially
to
all
the
people
who
came
out
to
share
their
views
today.
Thanks
also
I
see
from
a
communication
that
several
thousand
Torontonians
have
written
into
the
executive
committee,
urging
this
committee
and
council
to
stand
fast
and
oppose
the
upload
of
the
TTC.
It's
not
often
we
get
thousands
of
communications
on
a
single
item,
so
thank
you
to
all
of
you
have
been
working
on
that
I
want
to
spend
a
moment
to
talk
about
this
notion
that
we
should
be
doing
consultations.
D
One
thing
that
I
have
learned
being
an
elected
official
if
you
have
a
consultation,
but
you
don't
tell
everybody
all
the
information
at
the
consultation,
it's
a
fake
consultation
and
people
resent
you
for
it
and
they
don't
trust
you
and
they
don't
believe
in
the
consultation
and
they
don't
believe
in
the
outcome.
The
only
way
you
can
have
a
real
consultation
with
the
public
is,
if
you
share
all
the
information
and
in
this
instance
I'm
not
clear
that
that's
going
to
happen.
D
So
you
know
I'm
deeply
concerned
that
we
would
even
consider
going
to
Torontonians
and
saying
we
can't
tell
you
what's
going
on,
but
what's
your
opinion?
That's
just
wrong.
I
mean.
Can
you
imagine
getting
the
poll
in
question?
Do
you
like
option?
One
two
or
three
best
I
mean
I,
got
that
polling
question
today,
I
wouldn't
know
you
might
as
well.
Ask
me
to
explain
the
mathematics
between
behind
Heisenberg's
uncertainty
principle.
D
I
know
what
about
as
well
as
that
so
I
I
think
that
if,
if
our
principal
is
transparency,
we
have
to
make
our
consultation
process
about
sharing
information
with
the
public
as
the
first
step
and
sharing
all
the
information,
including
this
so-called
Cabinet
document
that
lays
out
what
their
outcomes
are.
Without
that
document
in
hand,
I
don't
even
know
what
game
I'm
playing
that's
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
say.
D
The
second
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
Toronto
has
had
since
amalgamation
an
endless
endless
conversation
about
who
does
what
who
pays
for
what
and
who's
in
charge
and
at
times
Council
has
been
courageous.
In
that
conversation,
and
at
times
we
haven't
been
I,
can
remember
during
the
first
two
terms
of
the
post
amalgamation
Council.
Then
mayor,
MELAS
Minh,
you
stay
every
year
every
single
year.
D
D
You
might
remember
those
days,
he
would
have
press
conferences,
he
used
some
very
colorful
language
to
describe
Premier
Mike
Harris
and
he
was
able
to
get
a
hundred
million
a
hundred
and
fifty
million
I
remember
one
year
he
got
over
two
hundred
million
dollars
for
public
transit
and
eventually
we
got
tired
as
a
city
of
doing
these
one-off
bailouts
for
the
public
transit
system
and
the
next
mayor
came
along,
ran
a
public
campaign
with
ads
on
bus,
shelters,
ads
on
subways
ads
on
the
radio.
The
Board
of
Trade
got
involved.
D
The
TTC
the
mayor
was
having
press
conferences
with
civic
leaders,
saying
other
orders
of
government
have
to
come
to
the
table
and
fund
the
TTC,
and
you
know
what
we
also
took
them
to
court.
The
TTC
took
the
federal
government
to
court,
saying
we
shouldn't
be
paying
the
GST
on
our
purchases.
As
a
commission
anymore,
we
won
that
we
got
the
federal
government
for
the
first
time
to
agree
to
buying
buses.
D
We
got
the
provincial
government
to
agree
to
build
what
is
now
the
largest
civil
priscila
quirks
project
in
the
country,
which
is
the
Eglinton
light
rail
line.
We
got
the
provincial
government
to
give
us
a
share
of
the
gas
tax
to
pay
for
transit.
When
we
stand
up
as
a
city
led
by
a
mare,
who's
willing
to
fight,
we
can
actually
make
the
province
and
the
federal
government
come
to
the
table
and
that's
what
I'm
hearing
Torontonians
tell
us.
D
D
We
could
have
if
other
orders
of
government
came
to
the
funding
table
and
yeah
if
we
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
expansion
works
and
who
pays
for
that,
and
who
does
what
we
can
add
that
conversation
to,
but
that
conversation
without
talking
about
the
federal
and
provincial
governments
come
to
the
table
with
money
is
a
waste
of
time.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I,
can't
for
the
life
of
me
understand
why
why
the
provincial
government
wants
to
do
this
by
keeping
everybody
calm
with
polls,
he
should
really
just
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
David
Cameron
and
tell
him
how
that
works.
I
think
he
can
tell
us
I
want
to
read
a
small
passage.
This
is
written
by
a
councillor
in
Sydney
where
new
site,
South
Wales,
has
taken
over
key
parts
and
made
a
mess
of
building
the
new
lines
and
done
nothing
much
for
the
base
system.
E
This
is
the
councillor
forget
the
exemplary
bus
service.
We
all
preferred
residents
of
my
electorate
now
have
to
leave
buses
mid
journey
to
battle
their
way
onto
a
tram
system
that
has,
for
some
reason,
no
bigger
passenger
capacity.
That,
as
we
know,
is
not
necessarily
have
to
be
the
case
with
LRT
lousy
process
explains
it
clean
out
seasoned
middle
managers
from
the
public
sector
and
you
lose
corporate
memory.
Someone
forgets
to
tell
bidders
what
pipes
and
wires
lie
under
the
road
surface.
E
As
a
result,
you
end
up
facing
a
six
hundred
million
dollars
in
compensation
to
the
complaining
contractor.
You
rush
planning
approval
so
that,
halfway
through
construction,
you
realise
the
line
obstructs
road
access
to
a
hospital
emergency
ward.
Now
the
government
that
design
that
light
rail
is
in
a
dash
to
approve
the
Northern
Beaches
tunnel,
estimated
at
fourteen
billion
dollars
and
burdened
with
a
mess
of
public
policy
implications
about
tolls,
traffic
planning,
densification
of
development,
to
pay
for
it
on
northern
Sydney's
Northern
Beaches
for
its
300,000
population.
E
When
we
know
that
any
cost-benefit
analysis
would
tell
you
to
go
to
Sydney's
greater
West,
where
there
are
three
million
people,
that's
the
chaos
that
is
unfolding
in
Sydney
as
a
result
of
roughly
what's
being
suggested
here.
That's
roughly
the
structure
between
New
South,
Wales
and
Sydney
and
I
I,
keep
harping
on.
Are
we
looking
at
the
other
cities?
Did
Michael
Lindsey
look
at
the
other
cities,
or
did
he
just?
Was
he
just
assigned?
Please
make
a
business
case
for
us
taking
over
the
system
so
that
we
can
p3
the
building
of
new
lines.
E
E
We
will
all
end
up
paying
bills.
What's
happened
now
in
Sydney
is
councillors
are
relegated
to
just
figuring
out
parking
problems
around
stations
and
having
no
control
over
little
things
like
hey
inside
the
station?
Yes,
we
have
our
ticket
takers,
but
are
we
allowed
please
provincial
government
to
change
the
signs
and
and
deal
with
larger
font
for
seniors?
They
actually
have
to
ask
permission
to
do
things
like
that.
E
There
is
so
much
minutia
to
be
worked
out
here
and
the
speed
with
which
this
government
is
moving
and
the
the
amount
of
hand,
padding
and
and
and
and
the
amount
of
times
we're
being
told
that
everything
is
fine.
Even
from
some
of
our
own
fellow
councillor,
colleagues
read
the
Toronto
Sun
op-ed
is
really
concerning.
It
is
very
concerning,
and
so
we
have
to
look
at
item
number
12.
E
We
know
the
province
isn't
going
to
give
the
airing
that
it
needs
to
give
to
the
community
just
to
put
their
concerns
on
the
table,
just
so
that
they
can
say.
No
it's
not
that
we
want
to
lie
down
in
front
of
the
bulldozer.
The
system
we
have
today
is
far
from
perfect,
but
please
solve
these
problems.
Please
don't
be
singularly
focused
on
the
building
of
a
new
line.
If
you're
at
this
table
together
solve
my
everyday
rider
problems.
Please
or
don't
even
have
this
conversation,
that's
why
they
want
a
consultation.
E
E
They've
got
two
minute:
headway:
Don
Mills
bus
they've
got
everything
they
need
in
a
short
trip
to
Yonge
Street
and
still
they're
desperately
afraid
that
the
system
that
exists
today
is
going
to
just
get
worse,
and
so
we've
got
to
have
the
consultation
that
we
know
will
will
will
far
outstrip
anything
that
could
happen
in
a
Queen's
Park
Standing
Committee,
if
we
don't
I'm
already
making
plans
to
at
the
very
least
have
it.
In
my
own
new
super-sized
on
Valley
northward
I'll
have
my
own
Transit
Roundtable.
E
A
F
F
So
while
we
may
not
get
it,
we
have
nonetheless
asked
and
then
perhaps
there
would
be
rationale
and
reasons
as
to
why
we
not
getting
in
why
we
can't
get
it
and
then
we
will
perhaps
go
a
little
further
in
that
I
want
to
thank
all
the
people.
Who've
actually
come
out
here
this
morning
to
express
their
views
on
this
and
so
on.
I
know
it
was
very
clear
with
respect
to
the
first
deputy,
miss
Burke
would
in
and
the
folks
from
code
read
T.
F
Oh,
she
talks
about
the
government's
and
I
think
we've
you
know
through
the
questions
for
the
city
manager.
I
think
he's
responded
to
that
very
well.
Let
me
first
say
that
when
when
this
first
came
forward
from
from
the
province
in
terms
of
the
requests
to
upload
and
to
take
over
ownership
of
the
subway
network,
you
know
I,
like
everyone
else,
was
wondering
what
does
that
mean?
How
will
that
work?
Will
it
be
that
we
will
have
better
funding?
F
Will
it
be
that
we
will
have
expansion
of
the
system
to
address
the
challenges
and
the
need
that
exists
in
this
city
and
so
on?
At
this
point,
I,
don't
know
that
none
of
us
do,
but
what
we
do
have,
though
I
think,
which
is
you
know,
a
testament
to
the
city
managers
and
the
team,
their
good
work.
They
have
not
simply
rests
with
this
idea
of
uploading
the
network.
They
have
gone
beyond
bad,
to
look
at
a
much
broader
discussion
which
is
part
of
what
we
see
in
steam
through.
F
You
know,
item
number
three
here
of
the
stream.
That's
on
page
six
and
I
think
that,
if
that's
the
basis
of
the
discussion,
it's
a
lot
more
wholesome.
It's
a
lot
more
helpful
and,
of
course,
the
recognition
that
the
public
and
all
of
us
as
members
of
council
need
information
to
be
able
to
form
our
opinion
to
respond,
and,
at
the
appropriate
time
we
will
take
whatever
action.
That's
necessary
as
it
related
to
mr.
F
Cartwright's
comment
about
a
campaign
and
what
that
campaign
would
look
like
and
what
is
it
that
we're
campaigning
for
and
what
is
it
that
we're
going
to
be
campaigning
against?
You
have
to
understand
all
of
that
information
for
us
to
form
our
perspective
and
our
opinion.
Clearly,
we
all
want
a
better
system.
F
We
want
a
system
that
works
and
addresses
the
need
of
all
transit
users
in
the
City
of
Toronto
I
mean
we
heard
from
the
lady
from
Scarborough
who
talked
about
you
know
the
racialized
component
to
people
getting
to
work
and
the
costs
and
all
of
the
things
that
those
are
all
important
elements
to
our
discussion.
It's
not
just
the
notion
of
just
simply
building
the
lines.
What
is
the
social
and
the
people
impact?
How
does
that
impact
people?
How
does
that
sort
of
relate
to
the
daily?
You
know
a
movement.
Mr.
F
F
We
all
have
a
vested
interest
to
ensure
that
it
works,
and
we
want
to
communicate
that,
certainly
to
the
province
and
provincial
leaders
in
terms
of
who
talking
about
taking
it
over.
The
question
is
what
does
taking
it
over
or
what
does
uploading
the
subway
system
actually
means
I,
don't
know
and
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
find
out.
F
That's
its
play,
but
I
do
think,
and
we
all
need
more
information
to
help
us
to
be
much
more
inform
in
terms
of
what
it
is
that
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
and
the
decisions
that
we
make
thereafter.
So
mr.
mayor
I'm,
hoping
that
folks
will
vote
on
supporting
my
motion
and
those
are
all
my
remarks.
Thank
you
thanks.
A
J
You
mr.
mayor
this
is
this
is
so
major
with
so
many
holes
in
it.
We
just
really
don't
know
where,
where
we're
going,
but
I
can
tell
you
as
someone
who
had
a
member
of
the
family
living
in
New,
York
City
for
many
years,
I
followed
some
of
the
politics
that
went
on
between
Albin
II
and
New
York
City,
and
that
is
a
cross-jurisdictional
subway
system
and
I
can
tell
you
that
it
was.
J
It
was
one
of
the
biggest
impediments
to
making
that
subway
system
flow
effectively
get
the
proper
state
of
good
repair,
making
sure
that
politics
was
excluded
from
the
dialogue
and
the
wars
between
Albin
E
and
a
New
York
City
have
been
going
on
for
a
year
because
of
a
cross
jurisdictional
subway
system,
I.
Think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
can
look
at
the
crosstown.
J
That's
under
construction,
now
open
scheduled
to
open
in
2022
and,
of
course,
the
completed
yupi
Express,
which
I've
written
and
those
are
case,
studies
in
which
the
province
can
come
into
the
City
of
Toronto,
build
transit
at
their
expense
and
then
have
it
either
cooperated
or
operate
exclusively
by
the
city.
If
we're
looking
at
barriers
to
getting
transit
done,
it's
mostly
provincial
statute,
it's
the
Planning
Act
its
rules
governing
expropriation,
it's
the
long
road
to
environmental
assessments.
J
These
are
the
barriers
to
getting
transit
done
in
in
in
a
quick
and
effective
way
and,
of
course,
funding
funding
formula.
They
can't
expect
Toronto
to
do
it
off
the
tax
base,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
I
see
this
report,
it
is
much
better
and
prudent.
It's
safer
for
the
City
of
Toronto
to
be
at
the
table
and
rather
than
to
just
walk
away.
This
is
this
is
going
to
be
a
long,
hard
process.
J
You're
you're
talking
about
a
multi-billion
dollar
infrastructure
transit
system
with
adjoining
real
estate,
and
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
very
complicated
and
and
it's
the
consequences
of
these
negotiations
are
going
to
affect
the
city
for
generations.
So,
while
I
am,
I
support
councils
directive
that
this
is
something
we
should
not
support.
If
there's
a
negotiation,
I
think
it
would
be
folly
to
walk
away
from
it.
We've
got
to
be
there.
We've
got
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say
and
we
have
to
get
clarity
on
what
this
really
means:
Thank
You.
Mr.
A
G
You
I'm
just
speak
briefly.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
all
the
deputies
that
came
today
and
I
I
think
and
we
all
the
deputies
when
they
made
their
their
presentations.
We
agree
and
I
think
we're
all.
On
the
same
page,
we
made
that
perfectly
clear
in
May
2018,
where
we
did
move
that
motion
a
council
shoe
to
the
province,
but
not
up,
not
uploading.
Ttc
there
was
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
consultation
meetings
and.
G
Looking
at
the
report
from
the
city
manager
and
councillor
Carol
mentioned
community
in
her
ward.
But
if
you
look
at
the
report,
it
does
say
public
meetings
and
all
the
community
councils
so
there
that
is
part
of
the
recommendation
and
you
can
add
more
on
it
if
you'd
like,
but
I
I
do
support
that
report
and
I
do
support
to
the
report
from
the
city
manager.
G
You
know
in
1998,
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
1998.
When
we
amalgamated
in
six
mayor's
to
six
municipalities,
then
we
opposed
the
amalgamation.
All
the
mayor's
opposed
it,
including
Barbara,
Hall
and
mal.
Last
Minh.
All
the
mayors
opposed
it
and
we
spoke
to
the
province
and
the
premier
at
the
time
Mike
Harris,
and
we
expressed
our
concerns.
We
weren't
sure
what
we
were,
what
they
were
going
to
download
to
us
and
who
was
going
to
do
what
at
that
time.
G
There
was
a
lot
of
confusion
and
at
that
time
the
mayor's
we
did
a
referendum
vote
and
all
the
six
merits
did
a
referendum
vote.
I'll
spend
thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars
on
the
boat
was
unanimous.
Normally,
no
one.
The
vote
was
not
to
amalgamate
we
amalgamated
at
that
time.
There
was
not
an
opportunity.
We
were
not
given
the
opportunity
for
the
mayor's
to
sit
down
with
the
premier
of
the
day
to
talk
about
and
be
at
the
table.
G
What
I'm
very
pleased
about
today
is
even
though
one
of
the
deputies
made
a
comment
about
that
we
should
walk
away.
I,
don't
think
we
should
walk
away.
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we're
at
the
table
and
we're
part
of
that
dialogue.
Absolutely
we
need
to
be
there
and
and
bring
border.
You
know
our
comments
and
concerns,
and
so
I'm
just
hoping
that
in
the
councillor
Thompson's
motion,
I
support
that
motion
and
I'm,
hoping
that
we
would
be
able
to
get
that
information
and
whatever
information
that
we
need
to
to
be
made
public.
G
So
I
think
that
the
motions
that
we
have
today
that
I
would
be
supporting
and
hopefully,
and
and
through
the
consultation
meetings
and
I'm,
just
hoping
that
the
public
does
come
to
out
to
these
meetings.
Because
past
experiences,
whenever
you
have
public
meetings,
you
send
out
notices
thousands
of
notices
and
you
don't
get
the
public
out
to
participate,
so
it's
very
important
that
they
do
participate
and
give
input.
So
those
are
my
comments
and
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
thank
you
to
to
staff
and
thank
you
to
the
deputies.
Thank.
B
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I
have
a
couple
of
motions
and
I
think
some
of
the
deputies
said
it
really
well,
is
that
this
is
a
negotiation
as
much
as
we
weren't
really
willing
and
are
not
willing
to
negotiate,
and
some
people
try
to
say
that
it's
it's
not
fair,
because
the
fact
ease
is
the
city's
a
creature
of
the
province
right
and
they
didn't
have
to
invite
us
for
the
table.
Some
people
say
and
we
their
truth
is
we
don't
even
really
know
what
upload
really
means.
B
We
also
have
some
very
good
things
on
our
side
is
that
we
have
the
people
of
Toronto.
We
have
Torontonians
that
believe
in
public
transit
and
believe
in
good
public
transit
and
investments
in
public
transit,
and
we
have
the
knowledge.
We
have
the
knowledge
that
the
province
doesn't
have
and
I
think
we
need
to
use
that,
to
position
ourselves
and
to
position.
The
conversation
I
think
we
can
very
clearly
go
out
with
Torontonians
and
talk
about
the
funding
that
is
needed.
B
We
need
to
share
that
with
Torontonians
and
so
I
think
that
the
consultations
that
we
need
to
have
need
to
be
hand
in
hand
with
this
public
awareness
and
public
campaign
that
needs
to
happen.
I
have
two
motions
in
here:
I,
don't
think
we
have
enough
information
on
the
consultation
process
in
front
of
us.
That's
why
I
asked
the
the
city
manager
to
go
next
week
directly
to
Council.
We
need
a
timeline.
Things
are
moving
fast.
We
need
to
understand.
B
What's
going
on,
we
need
to
put
a
timeline
on
how
these
things
are
going
and
I'm,
asking
that
the
motion
that
was
placed
on
the
public
campaign
goes
directly
to
Council
as
well,
so
that
we
can
have
the
to
being
put
together,
because
we
need
a
very
strong
public
awareness
campaign
to
feed
into
these
consultations.
We
do
need
Torontonians
to
be
engaged.
In
this
conversation,
we
need
to
run
Tony
ins
to
understand
what
is
at
stake
and
we
need
Torontonians
to
to
be
on
our
side
and
to
be
whatever
the
how
the
negotiation
proceeds.
B
We
need
them
to
be
hand-in-hand
and
loft
with
how
we're
gonna
deal
with
this
they're,
our
best
allies,
and
they
they
are
the
people
that
we
need
to
stand
up
for
and
to
stand
up
with
in
the
in
in
this
process.
And
that's
for
that.
Therefore,
I
am
hoping
that
I
can
get
everybody's
support
to
ensure
that
we
have
strong,
robust
consultations
and
that
and
that
we
engage
Torontonians
in
the
conversation
as
well
to
have
the
best
outcome
not
only
for
TTC
riders
but
for
the
whole
city
of
Toronto.
Thank.
A
J
Thank
You
Samara,
I'm
I'm
gonna,
speak
to
the
first
three
point,
one
first
I'm
happy
to
support
that
report.
There
was
one
of
the
deputies
recommendations
who
I
think
got
it
right
when
she
said
most
people
today
just
want
to
get
from
point
A
to
point
B.
They
don't
actually
really
care
who
runs
the
system
they're.
Just
it's
about
traveling
and
I.
Think
you
know
when
forms
like
these
and
other
consultations,
there's
a
certain
level
of
political
theater
and
people
want
to
take
some
swings
at
the
provincial
government.
J
But
that's
just
you
know,
that's
part
of
the
process
and
the
environment
that
we
live
in.
Let
me
say
also
that
you
know
I'm
no
fan
of
of
Metrolinx
the
folks
that
got
it
brought
us
presto.
The
Union
Pearson
Express
has
been
a
financial
disaster
and
the
cross-links
arrangement
there
aren't
exactly
user-friendly
to
councillors
or
their
communities.
However,
I
would
like
to
speak
to
councillor
Matt
Lowe's
vertuous
motion
about
getting
all
the
facts,
so
you
got
to
be
really
careful
about
this.
J
If
you're
telling
the
truth
and
the
truth
is,
there's
a
lot
of
responsibility
to
go
around
and
if
we
actually
really
want
to
talk
about
the
facts
of
who
runs,
transit
well
and
we're
looking,
we've
got
to
look
at
ourselves
in
the
mirror
and
it's
not
we're
not
always
not
going
to
see
a
pretty
picture
and
the
examples
that
I
will
give.
You
is
the
financial
disaster
of
the
tys
se,
not
our
finest
moment.
J
We're
going
to
be
getting
a
report
on
automatic
train
control
in
the
coming
weeks
from
the
TTC
and
that's
not
going
to
be
the
most
positive
report
either,
and
if
someone
read
that
someone
would
be
saying
yes
upload
it
tomorrow.
Just
last
week
we
talked
about
fare
evasion
and
the
are
in
Capac
we're
losing
more
than-
and
this
is
a
conservative
number
over
64
million
dollars
a
year
because
we
can't
properly
collect
fares.
J
Those
are
just
three
examples:
councillor
Matt
Lowe
always
talks
about
fact-based
decisions
and
wanting
to
have
all
the
information
out
on
the
table
got
to
be
careful
about
that.
If
we're
gonna
have
a
campaign,
he
wants
to
get
the
full
story
out.
Well,
sites
have
to
come
out
and
I
think
within
this
discussion.
We
should
be
focusing
on
not
the
politics
of
not
politics,
not
just
wanting
just
saying
the
TTC
is
better
than
everything
else
or
not,
because
we
want
to
save
Union
jobs.
A
Thank
You
deputy
mayor
are
there
others
wishing
to
speak.
I
will
speak
at
the
at
the
end,
but
if
there's
anybody,
anybody
else
going
once
okay
I
have
madam
I
have
just
gives
me
my
tiny
little
friendly,
emotion,
friendly
amendment
rather
to
the
deputy
mayor
bylaws
motion
to
oh
the
first
thing
you
have
that.
A
The
speaker,
I
am
just
chairing
the
meeting.
I'll
just
say
how
how
delighted
I
was
delighted.
I
was
to
hear
counselor
perks
refer
to
the
fondly
so
fondly
to
the
days
of
great
transit
transit
advocacy
under
Mary
last
month
and
I
say
that,
because
I
was
there,
I
was
there.
I
was
actually
asked
to
go
to
those
meetings
between
Merrill,
Aspen
and
mr.
Harris,
because
both
of
them
trusted
me
to
be
there
to
try
to
see
if
we
could
reach
some
resolution.
A
That
was
in
the
best
interest
of
Toronto
transit
riders
and
for
all
the
great
commendation
we
heard
this
morning
about
how
wonderful
that
all
was.
The
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
what
we
got
out
of
that
I'm,
pretty
clear
in
my
recollection,
was
a
couple
of
fairly
substantial
loans
from
the
province
for
a
transit
and
the
reason
I
recall.
A
You
know
to
spread
that
out
over
time,
because
we
were
so
burdened
down
by
having
to
pay
back
I
think
it
was
a
hundred
million
dollars
of
the
loans
at
that
time
and
and
so
two
hundred
million
dollars
in
loans.
Okay,
thank
you,
counselor,
that's
yeah!
That
just
proves
how
successful
and
close
we
were
at
those
meetings,
and
so
I
would
say
and
when
I
heard
so
fondly
as
well
about
the
past
days,
I
thought
to
myself.
A
Well,
it's
very
interesting
because
in
those
days
we
had
exactly
nothing
to
speak
of
any
consistent
funding
at
all
from
the
federal
government
and
today,
with
the
methods
that
I
choose
to
use,
which
is,
as
far
as
you
possibly
can
go
with
thoughtful
considerate,
curse,
consistent
persistent
meetings
with
the
other
governments.
We
have
billions
of
dollars
in
hand
and
a
transit
program
that
I'm
trying
to
get
extended
for
another
ten
years.
A
So
I
think
you
have
to
be
careful
to
sort
of
say
that
the
method
that
worked
so
well
in
those
fond
days
is
the
only
method
to
use
and
that
the
method
that
sort
of
says
that
you
at
least
will
go
and
talk
to
people
and
advocate
consistently
and
persistently
on
behalf
of
the
City
of
Toronto
that
that
one
one
method
works
so
much
better
than
another.
I
believe
what
people
expect
us
to
do,
the
very
same
people.
Everybody
purports
to
speak
on
in
this
room.
A
They
expect
us
to
work
together
as
far
as
we
possibly
can
work
together
to
get
more
transit
bill
to
get
more
support
for
transit,
and
they
actually
expect
us
to
try
to
do
that
without
huge
fights,
if
we
possibly
can,
because
they
sort
of
remind
us
from
time
to
time
that
we're
all
sent
by
the
same
people
with
the
same
objective
in
mind.
So
we
decided
as
a
council.
You
know,
while
declaring
our
position
very
clearly
in
the
same
motion,
to
authorize
our
city
manager
to
go
off
to
to
the
table.
A
Having
seen
a
new
government
of
Ontario
get
elected
and
campaigning,
unlike
what
they
did
with
the
City
Council
changes.
They
actually
had
campaigned
on
this
and
said,
and
then
they
got
elected.
So
we
authorized
our
city
manager
with
our
position
on
the
table
to
go
off
and
and
and
sit
at
the
table
and,
as
the
very
same
city
manager
pointed
out
an
answer
to
a
question
a
little
earlier
on.
They
had
the
right
and
they
still
do
to
go
ahead
and
do
anything
they
want.
A
A
We
proceed
now
with
what
I
would
call
the
first,
not
the
last
program
of
public
consultation
and
information
to
make
sure
the
public
do
know
what
the
options
are
and
get
their
opinions
on
those
and
get
public
opinion
generally
on
these
things,
and
then
I
can
assure
you
that
this
is
the
beginning,
not
the
end.
And
if
we
get
to
the
stage
where,
as
mr.
A
councillor
Thompson
deputy
mayor
Thompson
said,
we
have
an
actual
proposal
on
the
table
or
an
ultimatum,
where
either
for
or
against
I'll
be
the
first
one
to
say,
I'm
supportive
at
that
time
of
a
campaign
that
either
supports
or
opposes
something
and
I
will
say
and
final
comment
that
as
I've
said
consistently.
If
it's
a
good
deal
for
Toronto
I'll
support
it.
If
there's
a
deal,
if
there's
a
deal,
that's
a
bad
deal
for
Toronto
I
will
oppose
it,
because
I
think
that
is
my
job
is.
A
Do
not
presuppose
that
what
was
gonna
come
out
of
these
discussions
because
we
don't
know
what
it
is
is
good
or
bad
or
indifferent.
I,
don't
know,
maybe
they'll
come
out
and
say
we're
not
uploading
the
subway,
because
that's
explicitly
in
the
terms
of
reference
as
one
of
the
options,
but
I
can
certainly
just
say
that
I
think
what's
proposed
today
is
another
step
forward
in
the
public,
consultation
and
I.
Think
that'll
be
good
for
the
people
of
Toronto
to
engage
them.
As
so
many
people
have
said
this
morning.
A
They
want
to
see
done
so
I
think
on
that
note.
Unless
there's
anybody
else
who
has
a
word
to
say,
we
will
proceed
to
deal
with
emotions
and
we
will
start
with
motion
item
3.1
we're
dealing
with
these
items
together
and
that
I
don't
under
item
3.1.
We
have
motion
one
by
Councillor,
deputy
mayor
Thompson,
we'll
just
put
that
up.
A
If
we
could
asking
the
province
of
Ontario
to
release
their
report,
I'm
ready
to
call
the
question
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
unanimously
motion
moving
to
motion
three
by
myself,
which
is
a
sort
of
friendly
amendment
to
deputy
mayor
bylaws
motion
to
stakeholder
meeting
being
considered
by
the
city
manager,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carry.
Then
we
move
to
item
two,
a
motion
to
8
by
moved
by
Councillor
deputy
mayor
bylaw,
as
amended
by
motion
three
and
I'll
ask
for
a
question
on
that.