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Executive Committee - March 21, 2019 - Part 2 of 2
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A
You
you
you,
we
can
resume.
That
would
be
terrific
and
welcome
back
to
all
of
our
deputies
and
visitors
today
and
to
the
members
of
the
committee,
and
we
agreed
that
we
would
move
next
to
item
3
point
3,
which
is
administrative
inquiry
on
hate,
sponsored
rallies
and
as
customary
we
would
start
with
our
decadence,
of
which
there
are
seven,
and
so
the
first
that
is
listed
to
appear
is
Dimitri
Lascaris
or
less
Kara's.
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B
B
The
fact
that
we
have
filed
an
affidavit
of
C
Raj,
Shah
Pahlavi,
who
is
a
member
of
the
organising
committee,
and
this
is
being
filed
at
a
profit
in
support
of
the
submissions
I'm
going
to
make
to
you
today
and
he
responds
to
various
allegations
that
have
been
made
to
this
committee,
about
the
Alcoa
rallies
and
in
in
view
meritorious
Eze
in
his
affidavit.
But
he
does
address
what
we
regard
as
the
principal
claims
that
have
been
made
against
against
the
old
codes
rally
and
I
urged
the
members
of
the
committee
to
read
them.
B
B
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
in
January
2017
as
I'm
sure
you
all
know,
Alexandre
Bissonnette,
a
white
supremacist
entered
a
mosque
in
Quebec
City
and
shot
dead
six
peaceful
worshippers.
Several
days
ago,
Brenton
Durant
also
a
white
supremacist
under
two
mosques
in
Christchurch,
New
Zealand
and
shot
dead,
50,
peaceful
worshipers
torrent.
B
Much
to
our
concern
had
the
name
of
visa
net
emblazoned
on
one
of
his
weapons
as
if
he
was
expressing
solidarity
with
the
white
supremacist
atrocity
in
Quebec.
When
news
of
the
horrors
in
Christchurch
broke,
Mara
Tory,
you
stated
that
Toronto
quote
stands
with
our
Muslim
community
to
condemn
this
hate,
fueled
violence.
We
much
appreciate
your
expression
of
solidarity
with
the
Muslim
community.
The
hate
crimes
in
Quebec
City
in
Christchurch
are
by
no
means
the
only
atrocities
committed
by
right-wing
extremists.
B
In
the
recent
past,
our
brothers
and
sisters
in
the
Jewish
community
were
targeted
in
Pittsburgh
last
year
by
a
white
supremacist
members
of
the
black
community
have
been
targeted
and
killed
by
white
supremacists.
It
is
precisely
because
of
these
far-right
atrocities
that
one
of
the
overarching
concerns
expressed
by
respondents
to
the
city's
survey
was
the
presence
of
neo-nazis
on
city
property
and
yet
and
with
all
due
respect
in
all
of
the
discussion
by
this
committee
of
so-called
hate
rallies,
we've
heard
fairly
little
about
the
threat
posed
by
far-right
groups.
B
One
such
group
is
the
Jewish
Defense
League,
Canada
or
jdl
on
November
2000
in
November
2017.
This
committee
held
a
meeting
at
which
mayor
Weinstein,
the
JDL
director
made
false
and
inflammatory
allegations
against
the
Alcott's
rallies.
He
alleged,
for
example,
that
the
alkyds
rallies
at
those
rallies
crowds
are
incited
to
hate
Jews.
That
is
false.
In
fact,
members
of
the
Jewish
community
participate
in
the
rallies
year
after
year.
B
Recently,
a
member
of
jdl
Canada
from
Thornhill
Ontario
was
charged
with
a
hate
crime
in
connection
with
the
savage
beating
of
a
Palestinian
man
at
the
2017
AIPAC
conference
in
Washington.
According
to
now
Toronto
at
a
recent
City
Hall
rally
to
protest,
the
federal
government's
anti
Islam,
the
phobia
motion
which
passed
overwhelmingly
members
of
the
GDL
jdl
physically
attacked
journalists
and
active
Kevin
Metcalf,
as
he
was
filming.
Their
protest
in
the
video
jdl
members,
according
to
Toronto,
now
can
be
heard
telling
mr.
Metcalf
you're
going
to
get
killed.
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B
Because
the
police
aren't
doing
their
job
in
this
day
and
era
when
Muslims
are
under
a
microscope,
Muslim
extremists
are
we
to
believe
that
the
police
are
hesitant
to
bring
charges
of
hate
against
Muslim
extremists?
No,
the
reason
for
the
absence
of
any
allegation,
let
alone
conviction
by
the
police
is
because
no
hate
crime
has
ever
been
committed
at
a
null
code.
Today,
rally
in
Toronto,
it's
as
simple
as
that
decades
ago,
Israel
purported
to
annex
East,
Jerusalem
home
to
the
al-aqsa
mosque,
one
of
the
holiest
sites
in
Islam.
B
The
fundamental
purpose
of
the
alkyds
rallies
is
simply
to
contest
this.
This
act
of
confiscation,
of
conquered
territory
and
violation
of
international
law.
That's
all
it's
about
Al
could
simply
means
Jerusalem,
it's
an
annual
event
that
is
held
around
the
world
to
protest,
Israel's,
annexation
of
Jerusalem
and
it's
occupation
of
Palestinian
territory.
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B
A
You
very
much
I
might
just
start
with
some
questions
and
I
Thera.
There
may
be
others.
First
of
all,
with
regard
to
the
suggestion
who
made
that
you
know
for
myself,
I
can
say
in
a
preamble
to
my
question
that
my
abhorrence
for
this
for
hateful
language
that
I
think
we
reject
utterly
in
the
city
and
it's
and
acts
that
sometimes
flow
from
that
kind
of
language
is
across
the
port.
A
It
doesn't
really
matter
to
me
who's
doing
it
and
about
who
it's
it's
something
that
has
no
place
here
and-
and
so
just
in
regard
to
your
comments
where
you
said,
for
example,
that
we
had
not
you'd
not
ever
seen
any
indication
of
us
taking
on
some
of
the
people
who
were
the
extremists,
you
know
white,
supremacists
and
so
on.
Are
you?
Are
you
familiar
with
a
change
we
made
to
the
policy
that
had
to
do
with
booking
rooms
in
libraries
in
the
last
18
months,
under
certainly
under
my
leadership
as
mayor
honestly.
B
A
But
I
think
I'm
saying
you
respectfully,
and
this
is
a
part
of
a
question
you
have
to
take
these
things
as
a
whole.
So
you're
not
aware,
and
that's
fair
enough.
We
wouldn't
necessarily
be
aware,
but
I
will
just
tell
you
that
you
know.
Would
you
accept
for
me
the
fact
that
we
had
an
instance
where
a
room
ended
up
being
rented
kind
of
inadvertently
two
groups
that
might
be
described
as
fitting
within
that
category?
Who
talked
about
and
that
in
response
to
that?
A
Not
only
did
we
sort
of
issue
a
statement
saying
that
we
rejected
it,
but
we
moved
as
a
city
government
to
amend
our
policies
to
make
sure
that
we
placed
a
greater
scrutiny
on
those
kinds
of
bookings
of
library
rooms,
public
spaces
that
you
referred
to,
so
that
we
would
try
to
not
have
those
rooms
made
available
to
people
who
were
from
Minoo
groups
that
were
preaching
hateful.
You
know
contact
some
of
the
time.
I
mean
they.
B
A
Now
I
just
want
to
ask
you
one
more
question,
which
is
this
I
only
I've
actually
never
been
to
one
of
these,
these
meetings
or
rallies
or
whatever
they're,
to
be
called.
But
are
you
denying
you
know
through
this
affidavit
three
or
your
deputation
here
today
that
all
of
what
has
been
written
and
there's
quite
a
bit
that
has
where
people
have
taken
the
trouble
to
transcribe
things
that
have
been
said
by
speakers
at
these
rallies
in
Arabic
or
other
languages,
so
they
had
to
be
translated
in
English?
A
B
You
know:
okay,
I
can't
again
you're,
not
giving
me
precise
information,
but
let
me
let
me
tell
you
about
what
I
know,
because
I've
seen
a
great
deal
that
has
been
written
and
transcribed
about
the
rallies.
I
can't
say
that
I've
seen
everything
so
I
can
only
speak
to
what
I
myself
have
read,
which
is
quite
a
bit
everything
that
I
have
read
about
what
has
been
said
at
these
rallies
as
being
completely
twisted
and
misconstrued.
B
The
fact
that
the
words
themselves
may
be
accurately
transcribed
is
not
the
whole
story
because,
as
we
all
know,
context
is
actually
absolutely
critical.
So,
for
example,
I
myself
have
attended
one
alkyds
rally
and
spoken
at
one
of
alcor's
rally.
It
was
last
year's
2018,
where
a
shape
a
sheikh
who
spoke
after
me
was
accused
of
having
called
for
the
eradication
of
Israelis
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
a
fair
interpretation
at
all
of
what
he
said
when
you
look
at
his
speech
in
its
entirety.
B
What
he
said
was
that
he
wants
the
eradication
of
a
regime,
a
zionist
regime
which
discriminates
against
the
palestinian
people,
and
I
think
that
is
a
shameless
misinterpretation.
A
distortion
of
his
words
to
say
that
he
was
calling
for
israelis
to
be
killed
on
mass
I.
Don't
believe
that
that's
true,
so
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
the
fact
that,
even
when
you
transcribe
words
accurately
when
you
deprive
people
of
the
context-
and
you
put
the
most
nefarious
interpretation
on
those
words
you're
doing
a
disservice
to
the
public,
so.
A
I,
don't
recall
seeing
you
perhaps
you
could
tell
me:
was
there
ever
an
official
response
to
that
suggestion?
That
was
made,
let's
just
say,
you're
right,
that
this
was
a
misinterpretation
of
what
was
said.
I,
don't
think
any
context
makes
those
kinds
of
comments
if
they
were
meant
in
the
way
that
they've
been
portrayed
acceptable.
But,
let's
just
say
you
were
right
that
it
was
a
misinterpretation.
A
Was
there
if
there's
an
ization,
that's
official
enough
to
have
you
here
today
as
their
lawyer
and
I,
guess
their
official
enough
to
have
issued
a
press
release
saying
oh,
this
was
actually
not
what
was
said.
Let
us
let
us
set
out
for
you
with
perhaps
even
the
backing
of
a
professional
translator
that
this
wasn't
really
said.
This
is
a
shameless
as
you
call
it.
A
shameless
misinterpretation
was
that
ever
done.
B
As
I
myself,
a
public
publicly
commented,
including
on
my
website,
about
this
allegation
against
the
gentleman
who
made
these
statements
at
the
alkyds
rally.
You
know
in
my
capacity
as
a
lawyer
I've
done
that,
but
also
I
would
point
out
that
Stephen
Ellis
who's
going
to
speak
after
me
is
the
lawyer
for
the
person
who
made
these
comments
and
I'm
sure
he
would
be
happy
to
address
your
concerns.
But
I
have
publicly
commented
and
attempted
to
rebut
the
very
serious
allegations
that
were
made
against
him.
I
was
there
I,
listened
to
the
entire
speech.
B
A
One
final
question:
that's
this
and
I'll
ask
mr.
Ellis
as
well,
but
if
you're
official
enough
as
an
organization
to
have
you
here
as
a
lawyer
and
mr.
Ellis
here
as
a
principal
or
whatever
he's
purporting
to
be,
are
you
also
prepared
to
accept
a
degree
of
accountability
under
the
law
as
it
is
and
under
arrangements
we
might
want
to
make
to
say?
A
If
you
have
people
engaging
in
this
hateful
speech,
then
we're
going
to
send
you
a
bill
for
the
policing
and
other
costs
that
we're
put
to
when
you
have
rallies
without
permits
to
hold
you
to
account
for
these
things,
are
you
prepared
to
say?
Well,
yes,
we'll
be
held
to
account
for
that.
If
somebody
does
get
up
and
speak
hate
speech
beyond
what
the
police
might
choose
to
do,
because
we
don't,
we
don't
direct
the
police.
Well,.
B
If
the
person
is
actually
disseminating
hate,
so,
for
example,
there
is
a
very
vigorous
debate
today
about
whether
condemnation
of
zionism
constant
constitutes
hate
speech
against
the
Jewish
people.
Now,
if
the
person
who
is
making
the
decision,
whether
or
not
to
send
a
bill,
a
potentially
devastating
bill
to
the
people
who
organized
this
rally
and
have
them
pay
the
cost
the
city
has
incurred
in
order
to
maintain
public
safety
during
the
rally.
B
If
they
have
an
interpretation
of
hate
speech,
which
includes
the
notion
which
we
categorically
reject-
that
criticism
of
Zionism
amounts
to
criticism
of
the
Jewish
people,
then
yes,
we
have
a
problem
with
them
being
sent
that
bill
absolutely
if
there
is
a
definition
of
hate
that
is
rational
and
based
on
justice
and
and
principles
of
human
rights
law,
and
if
it
is
a
being
applied
in
partially
and
not
just
in
a
discriminatory
manner.
So,
for
example,
it
the
bill
is
only
being
sent
to
L
codes
and
not
to
the
JDL.
B
A
C
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
so
I'm
just
looking
at
some
of
this
I
guess
this
is
one
of
the
songs
that
is
saying
I,
guess
it's
been
translated
a
reputable
source,
slaughter
them
and
Etzion
slaughter
them
in
etsy
on
stab
whoever
you
see,
five
six
ten
twelve
make
us
happy
with
bombing
the
bus.
Make
us
happy
with
bombing
the
bus
now.
B
B
Heard
the
music
I
regard
the
music
as
offensive,
and
so
do
my
clients
and,
as
my
client
has
explained
in
his
affidavit,
the
the
speaker
which,
from
which
this
is
this
music
was
allegedly
played,
was
never
rented
by
the
organizers
and
they
put
documentary
and
expert
evidence
before
the
committee,
which
I
would
hope.
Councillor
Pasternak
has
read
to
support
their
position
that
they
that
music,
if
it
was
played,
was
not
played
on
any
speaker
system.
They
rented
they
reject
it.
They
have
no
recollection
of
having
heard
it.
B
They
reject
categorically
the
allegation
that
they
authorized
the
plane
of
that
music
and
by
the
way
it
appears
that
someone
who
was
involved
in
the
video
upon
which
that
allegation
is
based
is
Jonathan
Halevy,
who
was
exposed
in
the
Toronto
Star
in
an
expose
last
year,
as
being
somebody
who
had
had
used
a
doctorate
and
mistranslated
video
in
order
to
smear
a
Toronto
Imam.
That
is
not
something
that
was
disclosed
previously.
B
We
found
that
out
through
investigation
at
the
end
of
the
day,
whatever
that
video
may
or
may
not
show
our
clients
position
is,
and
we've
we've
confirmed
this
by
way
of
sworn
evidence
that
is
uncontradicted,
they
had
no
knowledge
of
that
music
being
played.
They
did
not
authorize
that
music
being
played
and
they
reject
categorically
what
is
said
in
that
music.
B
C
B
It's
correct
that
Kevin
Barrett
spoke.
We
don't
accept
your
allegation
that
he's
a
Holocaust
denier
again.
My
client
in
his
affidavit
has
explained
that
Kevin
Barrett
and
this
is
not
a
fact
which
I
think
has
ever
been
communicated
to
the
Executive
Committee
and
all
the
extensive
discussions
about
this
initiative
of
yours,
councillor,
Pasternak
Kevin,
Barrett
categorically
denies
that
he's
a
Holocaust
denier
and
if
you
watch
I,
don't
know
if
you've
taken
the
time
to
do
this.
B
If
you
watch
the
video
of
his
speech
in
2017
at
the
eliquids
rally,
he
actually
acknowledges
crimes
against
the
Jewish
people
and
he
suggests,
interestingly,
that
the
people
who
should
have
given
up
property
land
in
order
to
give
the
Jewish
people
a
homeland
were
the
Germans
who
perpetrated
this
Holocaust,
not
the
Palestinian
people
who
had
nothing
to
do
with
it.
That's
his
argument
as
I
understand
it.
We
have
no
knowledge,
as
is
set
forth
in
a
sworn
statement
of
any
Holocaust
denial
on
the
part
of
Kevin
Barrett.
A
A
D
Mr.
mayor
honorable
members
of
council
good
morning,
my
name
is
Stephen
Ellis
and
I.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
comment
on
this
matter.
I
appear
before
you
as
a
human
rights
lawyer
and
as
a
Canadian
citizen
and
as
such
and
as
a
person
deeply
immersed
in
the
field
of
human
and
constitutional
rights,
I'm
greatly
concerned
by
this
process.
If
you
would
indulge
me,
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
today
is
the
International
Day
for
the
elimination
of
racial
discrimination
in
recognition
of
this
important
day.
D
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
engage
in
some
straight
talk.
So
let's
have
some
straight
talk
about
this
referral.
This
is
not,
as
indicated
in
inquiry
concerning
hate
rallies.
This
is
about
the
alkyds
rally
and
the
alkyds
rally
only
I
saw
no
other
groups
mentioned
in
the
documentation,
provided
not
a
word
about
the
myriad
of
actual
hate
groups
out
there
trying
to
stir
up
hate.
So
why
is
there
a
focus
on
the
alkyds
rally?
D
The
annual
outcodes
rally
brings
together
hundreds
of
people
to
protest
israel's
inhumane
treatment
of
Palestinians.
Those
who
gather
on
that
day
every
year
express
their
anger
over
how
Western
governments
provide
cover
for
the
Israeli
regime
at
the
expense
of
Palestinian
lives.
This
is
their
right.
The
law
permits
them
to
rally
and
express
indignation
over
a
fundamental
injustice.
D
This
is
what
freedom
of
expression
is
all
about.
This
is
why
al
codes
is
under
the
microscope.
It
is
an
expression
of
solidarity
with
the
plight
of
Palestinians.
So
why
does
speaking
out
for
Palestinians
represent
a
problem
for
some?
Sadly,
there
are
some
among
us
who
don't
want
Israel's
crimes
to
be
exposed.
This
is
what
el
codes
does
every
year.
It
reminds
the
public
that
Israel's
occupation
of
Palestinian
land
is
an
affront
to
humanity
and
a
daily
violation
of
international
law.
D
So
let's
have
some
straight
talk
about
illegal
measures
advance
to
curbed.
Freedom
of
speech
on
Israel
in
the
US
legislators
are
going
to
great
lengths
to
curtail
freedom
of
speech.
They
want
to
make
it
a
crime
punishable
up
to
20
years
in
prison
for
supporting
a
boycott
against
Israel.
In
response,
the
ACLU
has
launched
a
myriad
of
lawsuits
at
the
state
and
federal
level
to
ensure
that
American
citizens
continue
to
enjoy
the
right
to
protest.
D
One
crest
question
raised
by
the
City
Clerk's
office
is
whether
or
not
charges
have
been
laid
under
this
provision.
With
regard
to
the
alkyds
rally
of
June,
the
9th
2018
I
can
answer
that
for
you,
they
have
not
the
June
9
alkyds
rally
had
no
shortage
of
police
present
and
no
hate
speech
charges
were
filed.
Why
is
that?
No
charges
were
filed
because
there
was
no
hate
speech.
In
fact,
I
don't
think
anyone
had
any
out
cuts.
D
Rally
has
been
charged
with
hate
speech,
so
I
ask
the
question
again,
if
there's
so
much
hate
speech
emanating
from
the
alkyds
rally
every
year,
why
is
it
that
no
one
has
been
charged?
Why
hasn't
anyone
been
charged?
So
what
is
this
administrate?
Administrative
inquiry
really
about
with
every
day
that
passes
Canadians
are
increasingly
demanding
that
their
right
to
have
free
speech
on
Israel
be
respected.
D
We
would
ask
that
you
do
not
go
down
the
road
of
unconstitutional
measures
such
as
recently
enacted
in
France
and
the
United
States
Canadians
have
the
right
to
speak
out
about
the
fact
that
our
government
is
aiding
and
abetting
a
government
that
has
literally
killed
thousands
of
unearned
Palestinians
in
last
decade.
In
fact,
the
United
Nations
Human
Rights
Council
has
just
released
a
report
stating
they
have
grounds
to
believe
that
Israel
has
committed
war
crimes
against
unarmed
demonstrators
in
Gaza.
D
D
In
recognition
of
the
inherent
rights
of
both
Jews
and
Palestinians
and
the
need
to
respect
the
principles
of
international
law
and
the
rights
enshrined
in
our
Constitution
Canadians
demand
free
speech
on
Israel.
Mr.
mayor,
the
only
reason
we're
here.
The
only
reason
we're
here
is
because
mr.
Pasternack
does
not
want
the
public
to
talk
about
Israel.
A
You
again,
I
might
just
start
with
questions
there
may
be
others.
Thank
you
for
coming.
Mr.
Ellis
could
I
just
ask
you
in
what
capacity
you
said,
you're
a
human
rights
lawyer.
What
capacity
do
you
appear
today,
just
as
an
individual
pardon
me
as
an
individual
as
a
as
an
individual,
yeah?
Okay?
But
it
is
it's
fairly
clear
to
me
from
reading
the
history
that
you
are
not
just
an
individual
happen
to
show
up
on
this
item.
They
don't
know.
A
And
you,
in
fact,
am
I
right
have
been
a
leader
in
a
lot
of
the
demonstrations
on
all
kinds
of
different
causes.
That
ii
certainly
take
israel
to
task
for
various
things
and
you've
been
in
the
BDS,
so-called
BDS
movement
and
so
forth.
You've
been
a
leader,
that's
correct,
like
I
know.
Co-Organizer
of
many
events,
that's
on
that's
correct,
okay!
So,
given
that
you
have
that
status
as
well
as
being
here
as
an
individual
and
I,
ask
you
the
same
question:
I
asked
mr.
Ellis
Kerris,
which
is
you
know.
A
A
If
you
were
here,
you
know
as
part
of
a
Jewish
Defense
League
they're,
not
here
today,
but
if
they
were
here,
are
you
prepared
to
accept
a
degree
of
accountability
that
that
that
that
allows
us
to
have
a
better
degree
of
assurance
than
we
have
today
that
this
kind
of
language
will
not
be
spoken
and
not
be
sung?
Songs
will
not
be
sung
at
these
events,
because
we're
talking
here
about
people
who
were
speakers
not
just
people.
You
know
where
the
sound
system
happened
to
be.
A
You
know
over
there
and
somebody
was
mumbling
a
song
to
themselves.
These
are
people
who
are
at
the
microphone
speaking
that
are
alleged
to
have
said
these
things.
Are
you
prepared
to
take
a
degree
of
accountability
as
not
just
a
lawyer,
but
as
a
person
who's
clearly
involved
in
the
organizing
of
these
things
and
therefore,
to
some
extent
in
charge?
If
anybody
is,
are
you
prepared
to
take
some
accountability?
Have
a.
D
Little
bit
of
a
problem
with
the
question
as
it's
opposed
because
I
don't
the
only
rally
that
I'm
familiar
with
was
the
one
that
took
place
last
year.
Okay,
had
you
never
been
to
one
before
just
the
one
that
was
that
took
place
last
year?
That's
the
only
one
and
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that
there's
no
question
that
the
words
spoken
by
Sheikh
Hooda
were
taken
completely
out
of
context,
and
actually
it
was
misquoted.
D
Okay,
because
if
you
read
predictably,
the
Toronto
Sun
and
ms
levees
article
on
the
question
he
was
quoted
as
saying
he
was
calling
for
the
eradication
of
Israelis,
which,
which
is
actually
false.
What
he
called
for
was
something
that
many
leaders
in
the
civil
rights
movement
have
actually
called
for
in
the
passion
that
is,
the
eradication
of
unjust
powers,
unjust
empires.
D
He
talked
about
the
eradication
of
unjust
powers
such
as
the
American
Empire,
the
British
Empire
and
the
Zionist
Israeli
Empire,
because
it's
a
fact
that
the
Israeli
state
presides
over
an
occupation
of
millions
and
millions
of
people
who
have
no
rights.
That's
what
he
was
referring
to
and
there's
a
vast
difference
between
calling
for
the
eradication
of
people
of
Israelis
and
calling
for
the
eradication
of
an
unjust
power.
I
think
you
would
concede
that
that's
likely
a
big,
quite
a
big
difference
in
in
terms
of
say.
A
To
you
that
normally
it's
politicians
who
are
saying
they
were
misquoted
or
taken
out
of
context,
no
and
and
so
we're
hearing
that
and
I
guess
I
would
just
ask
you
one
more
time
well
and
I'll
answer
that
if
I
didn't
that's,
let's
just
assume
that
you're
right.
This
was
a
great
miss
quotation
and
a
terrible
injustice
and
it
was
taken
out
of
context.
Let's
talk
about
the
future
and
it
from
birth
day
on.
A
Are
you
as
somebody
who
clearly
thought
you
were
involved
enough
to
show
up
today,
not
just
as
an
individual
as
we've
established,
but
also
as
one
of
the
organizers
of
many
many
of
these
kinds
of
events?
Are
you
prepared
to
take
a
degree
of
accountability
that
we're
looking
for
as
in
two
city
governors
to
ensure
not
just
this
event,
but
that
all
events
are
free
of
this
kind
of
hate
speech?
A
Let's
assume
in
the
past,
there
wasn't
any,
but
are
you
prepared
from
today
forward
to
say
yes,
I
will,
together
with
I,
don't
care
x,
y&z.
Other
people
take
a
degree
of
responsibility
to
guarantee
that
people
of
the
City
of
Toronto,
notwithstanding
whatever
charter
rights
people,
have
that
you
will
not
engage
in
a
speech.
Are
you
prepared
to
do
that?
I.
A
Know
I
was
asking,
of
course,
not
everybody.
Everything
I'm
I'm
certainly
prepared
to
do
it
to
the
point
where,
frankly,
I
would
an
issue
a
permit
to
this
organization
if
they
applied
for
one,
because
I
think
that
there
has
been
a
track
record
that
certainly
calls
into
question
it
could
quite
seriously
on
city
property.
Anyway,
that's
all
we're
entitled
to
do,
but
I'm
asking
you
the
question
today
whether
you
would
be
prepared
well.
D
That's
that's
something
I'm
prepared
to
accept
all
the
way
down
the
line
and
have
always
accepted
responsibility
for
whatever
I'm
involved
in
organizing.
So
that's
that's
a
responsibility.
I
take
very
seriously
well.
What
I
want
to
say
is
this
I?
Don't
think
it
would
be
fair
and
I'm,
not
an
organizer.
What
the
out
cuts
rally
but
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
fair
to
hold
some
groups
to
a
standard
that
other
groups
aren't
being
held
to
as
well.
D
A
C
C
When
you
connect
the
dots
you're,
getting
a
theme
you're
saying
all
these
people
are
misquoted
and
taken
out
of
context
over
a
four-year
period.
Speaking
l
could
rally
calling
for
violence
shooting,
when
are
we
gonna
start
shooting
them
all
that
and
all
that
kind
of
set
their
home
taken
out
of
context
and
they're
all
being
misquoted?
Let.
E
E
We're
not
talking
today
about
hate
speech,
we're
talking
about
free
speech,
everybody's
freedom
who,
among
you,
has
ever
attended
and
how
couldst
a
rally
I've
attended.
Many
and
I've
even
spoken
at
several
of
the
events
along
with
United
Church
ministers
and
many
Jewish
activists
who
have
a
strong
and
supportive
presence
at
these
rallies.
How
could
their
inspiring
on
educational,
there's,
no
anti-semitism
I
have
never
heard
anything
anti-semitic
at
any
of
these
events.
This
motion
is
looking
in
the
wrong
direction
for
hate
speech.
E
The
explicit
Association
of
the
title
hate
sponsored
rallies
without
Goods
Daye
reflects
in
Islamophobic
racism.
That
is
unacceptable.
We
all
saw
this
past
week
where
this
kind
of
anti-muslim
racism
leads.
It
leads
to
mass
murders.
It
leads
to
racist
surveillance
of
Muslims
rather
than
to
the
real
source
of
hatred.
It
leads
to
the
kind
of
racism.
That's
behind
this
motion,
as
well
as
of
those
who
are
promoting
it
and
speaking
for
it.
I
waited
12
hours.
No.
A
E
Like
to
keep
going
if
I,
okay,
you
keep
going
I
waited
12
hours,
November
2017,
to
speak
against
this
motion
all,
but
one
of
about
a
half
dozen
of
us
spoke
against
it.
The
only
speaker
supporting
this
hate-filled
motion
was
from
the
JDL
which,
as
you
know,
has
been
recognized
as
a
terror
organization.
E
Shamefully
in
it
was
that
racism
that
carried
the
vote,
we
had
all
been
waiting
for
our
turn
to
speak
for
nothing
who,
among
you
knows,
what's
happening
to
the
Palestinians,
how
good's
events
try
to
fill
people
in
the
world
Council
of
Churches
and
the
United
Church
have
had
similar
initiatives,
because
our
media
censorship
has
created
a
recognized
need.
Can
I
give
you
an
example.
Last
Friday
Israel
bombed
100
sites
in
Gaza
did
any
of
you
hear.
Cbc
mentioned
this
or
see
a
word
of
it
in
your
newspapers.
I
didn't
see.
E
One
word
Israel
initially
claimed
it
was
self-defense,
but
then
noted
that
there
must
have
been
a
mistake.
Any
deaths
were
unfortunate.
It's
the
time
to
stop
using
Islamophobic
racism
as
an
excuse
to
eliminate
our
civil
liberties.
I'm
upset,
seeing
elected
officials
casually
sacrificing
Canadian
civil
liberties.
In
particular,
freedom
of
speech
to
benefit
the
interests
of
the
foreign
country
to
benefit
Israel's
agenda
Canadian
freedom
of
speech
must
not
be
jettisoned
for
any
any
foreign
interests.
This
motion
is
looking
in
the
wrong
direction
for
hate
speech.
This
hate
sponsored
racist
motion
must
be
rejected.
C
E
I,
don't
know
what
other
conclusion
I
can
come
to
when
when,
when
a
lot
of
his
Christians
Jewish
well-meaning
people
came
to
speak
against
the
motion
last
time
and
the
only
speaker
for
it
was
the
JDL
speaker
and,
and
he
he
won
the
day,
there
were
only
two
people
who's
who
who
were
against
this
hate-filled
motion.
I
think
the
hatred
in
our
society
I.
C
C
A
F
I
make
this
deputation
on
behalf
of
just
peace,
advocates,
a
canadian-based,
independent
human
rights
organization,
promoting
just
peace
through
the
rule
of
law
and
respect
for
human
rights.
The
work
of
just
peace
advocates
is
based
on
the
principle
that
the
people
of
Palestine
are
entitled
to
the
same
rights
as
all
people,
I
trust
that
that
you
would
agree
with
this
meritorious
well.
As
the
other
members
of
the
Executive
Committee,
our
organization
is
focused
on
the
protection
of
civil
and
constitutional
rights
of
those
who
speak
out
for
freedom,
justice
and
equity.
F
We
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
provide
a
civil
society
voice,
focused
on
government,
institutional
and
societal
accountability
to
the
rule
of
law,
to
the
standards
of
international
human
rights
and
humanitarian
law.
The
November
2017
motion
that
came
to
this
executive
committee
called
for
the
review
that's
being
considered
today,
and
it
was
to
include
scholars
and
excerpt
experts
on
constitutional
law
on
the
Charter
and
on
Human
Rights.
We
note
that
the
right
report
back
that
there
was
no
indication
of
any
of
these
stakeholders
or
experts
being
consulted.
F
What
we
do
know
is
that
suggestions
that
were
provided
to
the
city
staff
were
ignored
and
dismissed
rather
than
a
meaningful
consultation.
A
generic
survey
was
offered.
The
survey
did
not
allow
for
inform
fact
gathering
with
the
city
staff
themselves
most
recently
indicating
that
it
did
not
yield
useful
information.
F
It's
been
provided
to
the
clerk
and
I
trust
that
you
have
that
article
before
you
who
was
very
critical
of
your
staff,
the
city
manager,
so
I
just
point
that
out
I
also
draw
the
executive
committee
members
attention
to
the
Islamic
Heat
longer
comments
that
was
was
included
too
in
reference
to
miss
levees
article
and
in
particular,
if
I
was
to
start
to
read
any
of
those
I'm.
Sure
I
would
be
dismissed
from
my
delegation
immediately
here
in
the
original
material
that
was
provided
in
November
2017
to
this
committee.
F
In
regard
to
the
motion,
there
was
indication
of
concern
about
white
supremacist
and
neo-nazi
rallies
and
actions
in
our
city.
We
would
join
in
with
that
concern.
Around
white
supremacy,
fascism
and
racial
oriented
hate,
ironically
Oka's
day
was
referenced
and,
in
fact,
highlighted
as
the
key
event
of
concern
with
today's
motion.
Somehow
the
entire
focus
has
now
become
a
Goods
Daye.
I
say
this
is
ironic,
because
Islamophobic
actions
and
and
behavior
is
on
the
rise.
F
We've
already
mentioned
the
massacre
by
white
supremacist
terror
last
Friday
in
with
50
Muslims,
including
children
being
murdered
in
New
Zealand
and
an
anchoring
event
in
Gaza,
as
well
as
across
occupied
Palestine.
Today,
the
citizens
of
the
city,
as
we
mentioned
this
morning,
will
gather
both
outside
and
in
in
the
chamber
in
regard
to
solidarity
for
International
Day
on
the
elimination
of
race,
I
hope
that
here
in
City
Council
and
with
the
executive
that
you
will
show
that
same
solidarity.
By
voting
against
this
racist
Islamophobic
hate
orient
motion,
that's
been
put
forward.
F
Targeting
the
civil
rights
of
the
very
people
who
are
most
impacted
by
the
hate
associated
with
Islamophobia
in
the
city.
Oh
could
stay
or
Jerusalem
day
is
an
annual
international
Muslim
sponsored
event
that
happens
in
the
holy
month
of
Ramadan
just
before
Eid
and
as
its
designated
to
both
educate
and
to
encourage
people
of
conscience
to
work
for
just
peace
for
the
people
of
Palestine.
All
good
stays
here
in
Toronto
are
inclusive
events
that
bring
together
people
from
various
faiths
and
non-face,
including
Muslims
Christians,
Jews,
atheists
and
others.
F
I
have
provided
again
the
Council
or
the
executive
committee
with
an
article.
That's
just
come
out
a
statement
from
organizations
Christian
organizations
in
America
and
Africa
that
represent
50
million
Christians
that
provide
the
same
comment
around
just
peace
for
Palestinians,
for
the
record.
I
need
to
mention
that
there
has
been
no
indication
of
the
background
provided
in
the
background
provided
to
City
Council
Executive
of
the
at
least
15
hate
rallies
held
by
the
right-wing
Islamophobic
national
hate
groups
in
this
city
over
the
last
two
plus
years.
F
With
most
of
these,
having
happened
on
city
property
and
the
rest
on
our
city,
streets,
I
have
provided
you
a
list
of
these
anti
Islam
hate
rallies
in
the
written
report
that
I've
submitted
the
first
one
was
just
as
the
massacre
was
occurring
in
the
Montreal
or
in
the
Quebec
City
map.
A
mosque
in
January
of
2017.
F
A
H
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
My
name
is
michael
mauston.
I
am
the
CEO
of
beneath
Canada,
which
represents
grassroots
jewelry
in
this
country
and
our
human
rights
arm.
The
League
for
Human
Rights
I'd,
first,
like
to
thank
James
capacitor
intact.
Furs,
continue
to
advocacy
on
behalf
of
human
rights
in
the
city
and
I'd,
also
like
to
thank
you,
mayor,
Tory,
for
your
support
and
for
ensuring
that
this
report
came
out
in
March,
as
opposed
to
June
following
alkyds
de
2019,
as
was
originally
scheduled.
H
We
were
nervous
last
year
that
there
would
be
issues,
and,
lo
and
behold,
we
see
deeply
flawed
report
that
avoids
answering
the
primary
requests
of
this
executive
committee
today
marks
the
Jewish
holiday
of
Purim
when
the
evil
Persian
Vizier
Haman
instigated
a
plot
to
kill
every
single
Jew
who
lived
in
the
Persian
Empire.
It
is
ironic
that
today,
of
all
days,
we
are
talking
about
hate
sponsored
rallies,
including
alkyds
day,
an
event
inspired
by
the
brutal
and
terrorist
Iranian
regime
under
Ayatollah
Khomeini.
H
This
is
because
the
inspiration
for
alkyds
day
mirrors
the
evil
thinking
of
Hamas.
It
is
an
annual
event
drenched
in
anti-semitism
against
the
Jewish
people.
The
Iranian
regime,
with
its
frequent
calls
for
the
destruction
of
Israel,
its
Holocaust
denial
context
contests.
Brutal
human
rights
violations
against
its
own
citizens,
including
women,
homosexuals
and
religious
minorities,
and
state
sanctioned
terrorist
activity,
does
not
shy
away
from
its
continued
animosity
towards
members
of
our
community
on
June
19th
2018.
H
The
Executive
Committee
adopted
item
35.6
with
amendments
I
will
now
summarize
how
the
direction
of
the
Executive
Committee
was
not
followed
and
are
not
answered.
In
this
report,
one
committee
requested
the
Toronto
Police
Service
board
to
determine
whether
a
Toronto,
Police,
Service
general
occurrence
had
been
generated
in
response
to
the
incidents
on
al
foods
day,
rally
on
last
June
and
confirmed
that
the
hate
crime
unit
is
conducting
investigation.
H
Third,
the
committee
requested
that
the
city
manager
report
back
to
Executive
Committee
in
the
first
quarter
of
2019
on
the
status
of
the
request
to
Toronto
Police
Service
board,
referred
to
in
recommendation
1,
as
well
as
consultation
and
survey
results
identified
in
the
staff
report.
For
the
first
point,
the
status
of
the
Toronto
Police
Service
board
request
is
absent
from
the
report
when
I
was
here
deputizing
last
year,
I
explained
how
organizers
annually,
by
passing
the
rule
of
law
in
the
city,
do
not
apply
for
permits
for
alkyds
Day.
H
This
survey
asked
not
one
question
about
this
reality
and
therefore
does
not
consider
an
al
could
say,
hate
rally,
type
of
scenario
and
recall
that
they
were
originally
asked
to
produce
this
report
in
2017.
There
was
no
consultation
to
my
understanding
with
stakeholders
outside
of
this
survey.
The
report
indicates
that
none
of
the
legal
scholars
identified
by
state
city
staff
chose
to
meaningfully
engage
in
its
survey
process.
The
executive
committee
requested
a
consultation
with
constitutional
and
charter
rights.
H
Scholars
not
to
have
them
fill
out
a
survey,
particularly
one
is
fundamentally
flawed,
as
this
one
was
as
such.
In
my
opinion,
they
failed
in
their
duty
to
consult
the
report
states
that
only
two
groups
responded
to
the
survey
as
organizations.
My
own
organization
of
the
league
for
Human
Rights
and
the
Long
Branch
neighborhood
group
0.4.
There
was
amended
requested
the
city
manager
report
back
to
the
Executive
Committee
on
the
means
at
the
city's
disposal
to
address
protests
featuring
hate
speech
included,
including
possible
recovery
of
costs.
H
We
all
deserve
to
know
the
answer
to
this
important
question,
as
it
is
essential
in
plotting
out
a
pathway
forward
to
dealing
with
rogue
hate
rallies
in
the
city
of
Toronto,
particularly
those
which
bypass
the
city,
permitting
process
put
those
who
do
not
play
by
the
rules
at
a
financial
advantage
and
fail
to
comply
with
city
bylaws
and
the
city's
anti-discrimination
policy.
I
have.
H
C
You've
touched
on
a
good
point
where
many
worthy
causes
in
the
city
play
by
the
rules:
they
they
apply
for
a
permit.
They
pay
the
TTC
REE
routing
fees,
these
Solid
Waste
fees,
they
pay
for
security,
and
we
can
and
they're
supposed
to
sign
a
anti-discrimination
commitment.
Part
of
our
policy
we're
trying
to
find
out
and
I
think
the
report
is
missing.
I
would
agree
on
what
legal
framework
we
have
to
to
deal
with
groups
that
don't
play
by
the
rules
is
that
is
that
really
a
synopsis
of
what
we're
facing
today?
I
think.
H
It's
very
important,
and
particularly
important
when
there
are
annual
rallies
taking
place
year
over
year
with
similar,
if
not
the
same
organizers,
involved
and
and
seemingly
nobody
that
can
possibly
be
held
to
account,
because
it's
projected
as
just
an
event
that
pops
up
out
of
the
blue
there's
a
lot
of
planning
that
takes
place
on
this
and
and
and
once
again
the
anti-discrimination
policy
of
the
city,
which
city
the
acidic
Toronto
abides
by
is,
of
course,
a
separate.
And
apart
and
a
different
standard
than
the
Criminal
Code.
Now.
C
You've
heard
the
other
deputies
and
they
made
it
seem
like
this
was
just
a
peaceful
rally
advocating
for
for
an
identifiable
group
that
all
the
comments
that
were
reciting
in
English
and
in
Arabic
and
whatever
language
are
out
of
context
and
are
inaccurate.
You've
studied
this
rally
for
many
years.
Is
this
just
a
bunch
of
young
young
people
or
people
taking
up
a
social
cause
and
and
getting
together
and
and
and
giving
speeches
of
peace
and
harmony
and
and
and
those
comments
are
all
taken
out
of
context
and
really
shouldn't
be
taken
into
account.
Thank.
H
You,
in
my
opinion,
that
is
not
the
case.
This
rally
has
been
a
global
phenomenon
I
once
again,
since
1979
I
believe
as
part
of
the
ayatollah
khomeini
relate
revolution
in
iran,
it
is
drenched
with
anti-semitism
worldwide.
There
is
all
sorts
of
evidence
for
this
around
the
world.
There
has
been
video
documentation,
year-over-year
of
the
City
of
Toronto
and
what
has
taken
place.
I
believe
that
what
generally
has
been
reported
is
accurate.
There
is
no
question
that
there
were
Hezbollah
flags
on
the
City
of
Toronto.
H
This
individual
left
a
teaching
position
at
the
University
of
wisconsin-madison
in
2006
for
supporting
the
false
notion
that
9/11
was
an
inside
job
of
the
United
States
government
against
its
own
citizens.
In
collaboration
with
the
Israeli
government,
this
individual
has
repeatedly
questioned
the
six
million
dollar
fake,
a
six
million
figure
of
Jews
that
perished
in
the
Holocaust
at
the
hands
of
the
Nazis,
and
it
denounces
the
Holocaust
religion
in
quotation.
So
I
do
believe
that
is
a
fair
characterization
of
an
individual
that
was
brought
in
from
outside
of
this
country.
C
To
summarize
how
if,
if
Toronto,
doesn't
stand
for
something,
in
other
words,
and
if
Toronto
doesn't
stand
up
against
this
kind
of
rhetoric
and
demonization
and
call
for
violence?
What
does
what
does?
What
does
the
city
government
for?
What
is
what
is
our
anti-discrimination
policy,
for
what
does
the
criminal
go
for.
H
Yes,
I
I
would
entirely
agree
with
you.
Toronto
holds
itself
out
as
a
multicultural
city
that
is
open
and
welcoming
to
everyone,
and
that
is
the
image
we're
projecting
to
the
world.
The
world
is
now
watching
us
on
how
we
deal
with
this
particular
scenario.
The
Jewish
community
feels
targeted
by
this
rally.
Individuals
who
fled
the
Iranian
regime
feel
targeted
by
this
rally
and
by
similar
type
rhetoric
out
there
in
society.
So
this
is
an
important
issue
and
we
asked
the
executive
community
to
treat
it
seriously
and
to
make
its
best
efforts.
A
I
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
councillors
for
hearing
me
today.
Let
me
introduce
myself.
I
am
a
professor
emeritus
at
the
University
of
Guelph,
former
national
president
of
the
Association
of
Canadian
college
and
university
teachers
of
English
and
I
have
been
an
associate
member
of
independent
Jewish
voices
Canada
since
2010
I
have
professional
expertise
that
is
of
direct
relevance
to
the
question
of
charges
of
anti-semitism
and
rebuttals
of
such
charges.
I
am
the
editor
and
co-author
of
a
book.
Anti-Semitism,
real
and
imagined,
published
in
2010,
which
received
flattering
comment
from
a
number
of
reviewers.
I.
I
Won't
repeat
those
comments
here,
but
they're
available
to
members
of
council
in
the
text
which
are
provided
I'm.
Also
the
author
of
several
substantial
scholarly
articles,
which
I
have
listed
as
well
on
the
final
page
of
my
presentation.
Again,
that's
available
to
members
of
council
now
I
wish
to
begin
by
suggesting
that
the
emphasis
of
this
initiative
on
the
part
of
the
city
on
the
alkyds
Day
rallies
is
mistaken
and
potentially
dangerous.
It's.
I
It
is
so
because
this
initiative
risks
diverting
the
attention
and
resources
of
law
enforcement
officials
away
from
the
very
real
threat
posed
to
the
safety
of
Torontonians
by
the
hate
mongering
exponents
of
far-right
ideologies
and
on
my
text.
The
game
I
have
listed
the
appalling
recent
crimes
committed
by
white
males
of
neo-nazi
insel,
far
right-wing
neo-fascist
and
so
on.
I
I
What
I
would
like
to
emphasize
is
that,
in
these
events,
I
heard
detailed
expositions
of
the
manners
manner
in
which
members
of
the
public
can
help
to
right.
The
wrongs
being
visited
upon
the
Palestinian
population,
both
of
Israel
proper
and
of
the
occupied
Palestinian
territories,
and
can
do
so
through
community
organization
through
support
for
the
boycott
divestment
and
sanctions
movement
and
through
the
exertion
of
peaceful
pressure
on
the
State
of
Israel
to
conform
to
the
requirements
of
international
law
again
or
in
addition,
urging
our
own
government
to
fulfill
its
commitment.
I
As
a
signatory
of
the
Fourth
Geneva
Convention
by
ensuring
that
the
terms
of
that
convention
are
respected
by
all
states
and
I
want
to
insist
that
at
no
point
did
I
hear
overtones
of
anti-semitism.
Any
suggestion
that
Jews
as
a
people
might
be
responsible
for
the
wrongs
committed
by
a
state.
What
I
heard
instead
were
expressions
of
hope
that
people
of
conscience
in
many
different
communities
which,
by
the
way
were
represented
in
these
events,
Christians
atheists.
I
A
I
I'll
just
conclude
to
say
that
in
my
text,
I
also
quote
several
paragraphs
from
I
think
a
very
important
statement
made
in
a
letter
to
this
council
in
November
2017
by
Joseph
Hickey,
the
executive
director,
the
Ontario
Civil
Liberties
Association,
in
which
he
commented
on
the
unconstitutionality
of
the
banning
of
Alcoa
Day
events
and
urged
lawmakers
to
consistently
and
duly
reject
the
bogeyman.
In
his
words
of
hate
as
a
pretext
to
suppress
the
constitutional
rights
of
citizens.
A
Think
we'll
have
to
call
it
there
just
to
be
fair
to
the
others.
So
thank
you
very
much
mr.
Keefer.
Now
the
question
is:
do
we
have
any
questions
for
mr.
Keefer
any
councillors
wishing
to
ask
questions
of
this
deputy?
Okay
thanks,
sir
very
much
appreciate
you
and
then
the
last
deputy
is
a
Sophie
L
part
Center
for
Israel
and
Jewish
affairs.
J
Thank
you,
hello.
Everyone.
My
name
is
Sophie
Halpert
and
I'm,
presenting
on
behalf
of
the
Center
for
Israel
and
Jewish
affairs,
seiga,
the
advocacy
agent
of
the
UJA
Federation
of
Greater
Toronto
with
regard
to
the
use
of
City
space
by
third
parties.
As
you
are
aware,
significant
data
and
evidence
points
to
a
rise
in
anti-semitism
and
other
forms
of
hate
in
many
parts
of
the
world,
most
recently
with
devastating
results
in
the
terrorist
attack
on
Muslims
at
a
prayer
in
New
Zealand.
This
is
a
trend
from
which
Canada
is
not
immune.
J
Bigotry
against
ours
and
other
communities
has
increasingly
taken
the
form
of
public
rallies
by
those
promoting
hateful
agendas.
As
you
are
aware,
in
Toronto
this
is
included.
The
annual
al
could
stay
rally
which
sija
has
been
actively
monitoring
since
2011.
This
event
regularly
includes
the
display
of
flags
of
banned
terrorist
entities,
anti-semitic
rhetoric
from
speakers
and
even
calls
for
violence
against
Jews.
J
J
Other
hateful
groups
have
attended
to
use
City
space
to
conduct
hate
rallies.
This
includes
the
worldwide
coalition
against
Islam,
which,
in
2018
attempted
to
organize
a
rally
at
Nathan,
Phillips
Square,
to
promote
its
shameful
bigoted
agenda.
We
propose
a
practical
solution
that
will
help
the
city,
ensure
that
in
exceptional
cases,
groups
promoting
bigotry
can
be
denied
the
use
of
city-owned
space,
including
parks
and
iconic
sites
such
as
Nathan
Phillips
Square.
A
model
currently
exists
in
the
form
which
Meritor
you
referred
to
earlier
of
the
Toronto
Public
Library
community
and
events
space
rental
terms
of
use.
J
We
commend
the
city
for
recently
modernizing
this
policy
to
enable
the
denial
of
permits
for
vents
that
are
likely
to
include
the
promotion
of
discrimination,
contempt
or
hatred
towards
identifiable
groups.
This
update
was
conceived
in
direct
response
to
neo-nazi
groups
using
library
space
for
their
gatherings.
J
As
the
city
librarian
noted
in
a
report
to
the
Toronto
Public
Library
Board
in
2017,
these
policy
changes
are
designed
to
support
the
values
underpinning
a
democratic
society,
including
free,
open
and
equitable
access
to
a
diversity
of
information
and
ideas,
civic
engagement,
intellectual
freedom
and
freedom
of
speech.
However,
support
for
speech
free
speech
does
not
translate
into
tolerance
for
hate
speech.
While
this
applies
to
rental
of
toronto,
public
library
facilities,
city-owned
parks
are,
of
course
not
subjected
to
this
policy.
J
J
The
library's
policy
was
developed
following
a
significant
consultation,
deliberation
and
legal
review.
Whatever
modifications
are
ultimately
made
to
the
existing
policy
on
events
held
in
city
parks
or
squares,
it
is
clear
that
the
following
three
elements
are
essential.
First
demonstration
organisers
should
be
subject
to
a
significant
administrative
penalty
if
they
do
not
obtain
a
permit
prior
to
holding
an
event
or
demonstration
in
a
city
Parker
square.
J
I
urge
you
to
amend
the
special
event
application
process
to
include
a
denial
of
use
policy
consistent
with
that
contained
in
the
libraries
Terms
of
Use.
Thank
you
for
attention
to
this
matter,
which
is
of
deep
concern
to
many
in
Toronto's,
diverse
Jewish
community,
and
we
look
forward
to
engaging
further
on
this
policy.
Thank.
A
C
You
very
much
for
your
comments,
the
Queen's
Park
situation.
They
used
to
have
a
permit
there
and
then
the
permit
was
revoked
and
now
I
understand,
there's
a
private
member's
bill
to
keep
hate
rallies
out
of
Queens
Park.
So
it's
not
just
the
City
of
Toronto
or
me.
Other
levels
of
governments
are
getting
tough
on
hate.
Do
you
see?
This
is
a
good
thing
when
all
levels
of
government
are
getting
tough
on
hate
gatherings.
That's.
J
Correct
and
in
the
specific
instance
of
the
grounds
of
the
legislature,
because
the
rallying
question
was
not
meeting
the
guidelines
that
they
had
established,
the
they
were
not
allowed
a
permit
to
continue,
and
unfortunately,
that
has
now
moved
on
to
city
property,
which
has
become
a
topic
of
discussion
today.
Now.
C
J
A
Thank
You
councillor
passback.
Are
there
other
questions
of
the
deputy
okay?
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
representations
and
answers
that
would
bring
us
then
to
speakers.
If
there
are
no
for
no
further
adaptational,
no
further,
oh
I,
guess
we
have
questions
of
staff
forgotten
about
that
sorry.
Other
questions
have
staff.
C
C
We
were
looking
for
a
legal
framework
on
what
to
do
in
situations
where
non-permitted
groups
take
public
space
and
violate
the
principles
of
anti-discrimination.
I'm
wondering
this
is
this
report
that
we've
got
here
mostly
deals
with
with
situations
in
which
permitted
groups
have
violated
our
anti-discrimination
policy.
Do
you
think
we
may
have
missed
the
boat
on
this
one.
K
K
C
There
were
letters
written
to
the
chair
of
Toronto,
Police,
Services
Board
and
the
Attorney
General
to
see
whether
there
was
any
kind
of
investigation
to
events
on
June,
the
9th
2018
have
you
received
any
response
from
either
the
chair
of
the
Police
Services
Board
or
the
Attorney
General's
Office
to
these
inquiries.
Unfortunately,.
K
We
have
not
so
the
process
with
that
is
when
count
when
executive
committee
requests
another
entity
to
provide
a
response.
The
clerk
following
the
meeting
rights
to
them,
which
of
the
letters
that
you
have,
and
we
confirmed
that
they
did
not
respond
and
our
office
also
reached
out
to
the
Ministry
of
the
Attorney
General
as
well,
and
did
not
receive
a
response.
So.
C
C
C
We
were
also
looking
for
suggestions
and
policy
on
what
we
do
when
groups
don't
play
by
the
rules
and
take
over
University
Avenue
I
use
up
dozens
of
police
officers,
who
are
sworn
officers
on
duty
and
being
paid
by
the
city
and
and
don't
pay
a
dime
in
any
of
the
costs
related
to
an
event
and
I'm
I.
Don't
see
anything
here
about
addressing
that
I
think.
C
The
it's,
the
final
final
thing,
I,
would
say,
is
I
know,
there's
charter
challenge
chill,
in
other
words,
don't
do
anything
that
violates
the
Charter,
but
my
notes
indicate
that
a
charter
challenge
could
cost
the
plaintiff
three
hundred
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
How
often
do
you
think
we
would
be
subject
to
a
charter
challenge
if
we
implemented
our
anti-discrimination
policy
I.
K
Would
start
by
saying
that
we
do
apply
our
anti-discrimination
policy
and
that
the
city
does
not
permit
prohibits
hate
activity
on
city
property
and
that
that
is
what
the
the
hate
the
hate
activity
policy
provides
for.
So
I,
don't
I
mean
my
position
is
that
we
do
implement
our
policy
and
on
a
case
by
case
basis,
which
is
the
I
guess
appropriate
way
to
do
so
so.
C
C
In
other
words,
if
we
take
I,
don't
know,
let's
call
it
the
high
road.
We
remain
a
city
of
high
purpose.
In
principle,
it's
unlikely
that
we're
ever
gonna
be
subject
to
a
charter
challenge
really
by
most
groups,
they're
not
going
to
invest
the
years
of
litigation
and
the
lawyers
fees
to
take
us
on.
Unfortunately,.
K
I'm
not
able
to
speculate
on
what
that
would
be,
but
I
would
say
that
in
that
circumstance
the
the
the
circumstances
are
resulted
in
people
being
denied
a
permit
at
the
library
would
likely
require
resulted
in
the
same
with
the
city's
policy.
Our
policy
would
also
probably
have
require
resulted
in
a
denial
of
a
permit
in
that
circumstance,
so
our
policy
is
actually
not
that
different
from
theirs.
So.
C
Just
just
very,
very
quickly
we're
talking
about
public
space,
the
space
that
we
we
control.
These
groups
is
deplorable
as
they
are
they
can.
They
can
gather
in
a
restaurant
and
spew
their
I,
guess,
they're
a
traitor
or
go
to
a
private
hall,
a
banquet
hall
or
or
whatever
it's
deplorable
illnesses
are
reaches
city,
property
and
city
facilities.
C
C
A
C
C
I
do
have
a
motion
if
we
could
put
it
on
the
screen,
we
need.
We
need
more
of
what
we
were
asking
for
originally,
and
you
know
I
mean
there.
There
was
a
feeling
here
in
many
of
the
deputies
that
this
was
taking
on
our
codes.
Well,
alkyds
has
a
multi-year
record
documented
by
numerous
organizations
of
making
defamatory
and
discriminatory
comments
and
espousing
violence
as
a
way
to
settle
political
and
geographical
disputes,
and
yet
we
we
still
have
other
forces
at
play
within
within
this
civic
government
or
within
our
facilities,
which
are
disconcerting.
C
The
rise
of
of
Nazi
ideology,
white
supremacist
groups.
We
need
to
have
a
legal
framework
going
forward
in
which
we
have
the
guidance
on
what
to
do.
When
groups
don't
play
by
the
rules.
They
don't
sign
our
anti-discrimination
policy.
They
don't
properly
book
the
space,
they
don't
pay
any
of
the
fees.
Well,
you
know
Run
for
the
Cure
pays,
their
fees,
heart
and
stroke
pays
the
fees.
C
The
sporting
life
marathon
pays
their
fees
a
taste
of
Manila.
In
my
ward,
they
pay
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
fees
they
play
by
the
rules,
and
we
have
to
have
a
situation
in
which
we
are.
We
can
recover
our
costs
from
groups
that
are
not
playing
by
the
rules
and
implement
our
anti-discrimination
policy.
So
I
think
we
have
to
send
this
back
for
a
second
look:
that's
what
I'm
moving
here
today
and
I
appreciate
your
support.
I
thank
the
mayor's
support
and
I.
Certainly
thank
some
of
the
deficits
for
coming
in.
C
I
should
remind
my
colleagues
that
we,
we
updated
the
anti-discrimination
policy
a
few
years
ago,
four
or
five
years
ago.
Actually
it
was
longer.
It
was
more
like
a
five
six
years
ago,
and
it
embedded
in
that
renewal,
it
hadn't,
been
it
hadn't,
been
renewed
in
15
years,
is
an
annual
look
to
make
sure
that
it's
modernized
to
make
sure
it
keeps
up
with
changing
times
and
to
make
sure
that
we
can
make
any
corrective
legal
edits
if
necessary.
C
I
think
that
the
Charter
is
a
valued
piece
of
Canadian
history
and
a
value
piece
of
Canadian
law,
but
very
rarely
will
groups
that
are
violated.
Our
entire
discrimination
policy
launched
a
charter
challenge,
that's
highly
unlikely
at
the
cost,
and
time
involved
and
I
think
we
should
be
a
city
of
high
purpose
of
principle
and
make
sure
that
our
policies
are
followed,
and
then
we
stand
up
to
the
kind
of
demonization
and
hatred
that
that
can
permeate
in
a
city.
Thank
you.
A
A
I
was
one
of
those
at
the
very
front
of
initiating
our
anti
black
racism
strategy
with
an
action
plan
which
we
now
have
in
place
and,
and
the
same
is
true.
When
there
have
been
incidents
of
anti-muslim
rhetoric,
an
activity
in
the
city
I've
been
the
first
because
I
think
it's
my
job
to
be
the
first
to
speak
up
about
those
kinds
of
things.
A
I
would
take
the
same
position
with
any
group
where
there
was
a
danger
of
our
demonstrated
history,
but
in
this
case
I'll
say
a
danger
because
there's
clearly
a
dispute
about
what
the
demonstrated
history
is
or
is
not
of
hate
speech,
because
I
think
this
city,
councillor
Pasternak,
referred
to
it
as
a
higher
purpose
or
higher
goal.
We
seek.
A
That
sort
of
seems
to
say
it's:
okay,
to
divide
and
to
polarize
on
the
basis
of
faith
or
skin,
color
or
sexual
orientation,
or
anything
else
and
I
think
that
that
involves
being
more
vigilant
without
interfering
with
the
freedoms
that
we
we
value
so
much
in
this
country,
and
so
I
would
say,
there's
a
number
of
reasons.
Why
why
this
is
the
right
time
to
be
talking
about
this
in
2019,
the
political
climate
around
the
world
says
more
than
ever.
It's
a
time
to
address
these
issues.
A
Secondly,
I
would
just
say
to
you
that
whatever
citing
them
all
the
statistics
from
our
own
hate
crime
reports,
the
one
the
last
one
we
have
for
2017
that
was
out
last
year
showed
a
28
percent
increase
in
hate
incidents
in
the
city
and
by
the
way
the
top
two
categories
happened
to
be
because
they
both
are
mentioned
here
today,
acts
of
hatred
against
a
Jewish
people
and
against
Muslim
people,
and
so
and
it's
it's
it's
almost
equal.
There
were
slightly
more
Jewish
people
Hamilton.
To
pick
an
example
same
thing,
an
18%
increase.
A
This
is
a
disconcerting
trend
to
save
the
very
least.
It's
going
exactly
the
wrong
way
from
where
we
want
it
to
go,
and
so
I
said
to
do
that
and
then
the
third
reason
why
it's
appropriate
today.
This
is
the
International
Day
for
elimination
of
racial
discrimination
and
I
really
believe
that
the
intent
of
that
day
includes
all
kinds
of
discrimination.
A
So
I
think
if
you
start
from
the
fact
that
we
sit
here
in
a
place,
that
seems
to
have
it
more
right
far
from
perfect,
as
evidenced
by
I,
guess
this
discussion,
but
we
have
it
more
right
than
any
other
places.
What
I'm
seeking
from
this
is
the
following,
which
is
a
greater
degree
of
accountability,
and
that's
why
I
ask
the
questions
that
I
did
have
a
couple
of
the
people
who
seem
to
have
a
slightly
more
official
capacity
for
being
here.
I
won't,
say:
they're,
the
organizers
of
the
outcodes.
A
A
It's
not
what
we're
about
it's.
Why
we're
admired
around
the
world
and
why
people
come
here
and
droves
from
all
over
the
place
to
escape
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
I
will
conclude
on
that
note
and
and
and
see
if
there's
anybody
else
who
wants
to
speak,
it
otherwise
I
think
we
would
be
ready
to
call
the
question
on
the
motion
that
councillor
Pasternak
put
in
front
of
us
anybody
else.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
the
motion
which
we'll
put
up
on
the
screen
its
motion,
one
and
it's
self-explanatory,
I
think
just
get
some
further
information
on
this
from
the
city
manager.
I'll
call
the
question
all
those
in
favor
opposed
you'll
play
opposed,
okay,
all
in
favor
and
favor
I'll
David.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
carried
and
thank
you.
A
Everybody
who
participated
in
this
and
I'd
like
to
hope
the
side
from
I
will
say,
aside
from
the
use
of
the
word
racist,
to
describe
some
of
these
inquires,
and
so
on
that
everybody
participated
in
in
good
faith
today,
and
we
should
maybe
move
forward
to
see
if
we
can't
find
a
better
answer
than
having
repeated
discussions
here
about
this.
So
that
brings
us
to
item
3.4
recommended
Toronto,
City,
Council
advisory
bodies,
and
we
have
one
deputy,
that's
Hamish,
Wilson.
L
Ford
I
think
they're
really
really
helpful
and
really
needed
to
collect
the
expertise
to
collect
the
the
anecdotal
evidence
to
filter
your
programs
to
refine
them
so
that
we
actually
could
get
better
result
and
in
terms
of
the
cycling,
Advisory,
Committee
and
I
was
reminded
of
all
of
this
coming
in
by
bike
along
Bloor
Street.
Today,
where
I
saw
a
police
officer
enforcing
the
countdown
rules
against
pedestrians
and
I'm,
seeing
so
much
red
light
running
by
the
Motor
Vehicles.
L
So
it
strikes
me
as
being
incredibly
unfair
to
push
back
literally
push
back
and
prohibit
a
pedestrian
from
trying
to
get
to
work
on
time,
because
maybe
the
subway
was
delayed
and
not
enforce
the
red
light
running.
That
is
it's
not
the
pedestrians
that
are
killing
the
motorists.
It's
not
the
cyclists
that
are
killing
the
motorist.
It's
the
motors
that
are
harming
and
killing
the
pedestrians
and
cyclists.
L
So
in
terms
of
the
the
emphasis
on
enforcement,
you've
got
to
be
fair
and
not
chorused
and
really
make
sure
that
there's
inequity
of
enforcement,
so
let's
catch
up
with
Hamilton,
they
still
have
a
cycling,
Advisory,
Committee
I
think
that's
really
really
helpful.
They
their
mandate
to
enhance
the
the
ability
for
this
to
be
picked
up
here.
L
They
they've
summed
it
up
as
falls
to
advise
City
Council
through
the
Public
Works
Committee
on
all
matters
related
to
cycling,
to
monitor
inflamation
implementation
of
the
Hamilton
cycling
plan
to
encourage
and
participate
in
planning
for
bicycling
facilities
to
encourage
citizens
to
cycle
instead
of
Drive
to
educate
on
the
benefits
and
necessities
of
cycling
to
integrate
the
work
of
area
municipal
municipal,
bicycle
committees.
So
we
we
don't
really
have
so
much
of
a
bike
plan.
Now
we
did
have
one
this
good
one,
relatively
speaking.
It
was
pretty
good.
L
We
didn't
get
all
that
way
done
in
the
core.
It's
especially
a
problem
out
in
Scarborough,
quite
honestly,
and
if
you
think
about
why
we
actually
need
a
cycling
committee,
I
think
no,
that
was
the
that's
Etobicoke.
Pardon
me
I'm
wanting
to
show
you
Scarborough,
because
quite
honestly
we
did
certain
amount
in
the
city,
and
it's
been
much
better
than
it
has
been,
but
in
terms
of
transport,
equity
and
and
being
able
to
get
around.
L
Scarborough
has
really
got
the
short
shrift
of
things,
and
you
need
to
be
nudged
on
this.
If
we
had
an
on
road
bike
network
through
Scarborough,
instead
of
spending
the
money
on
the
off
road
pass,
because
it's
easier
politically
to
put
the
costly
pass
in
the
off
road
area,
we'd
have
an
extra
level
and
layer
of
mobility
for
the
people
of
Scarborough
I
think
it's
only.
Maybe
ten
percent
done
the
on-road
stuff
and
quite
honestly,
we've
got
a
lot
of
gaps
and
things.
L
So
you
need
to
be
nudged
to
make
sure
that
we
save
lives,
because
we
have
too
many
issues.
We've
got
too
many
gaps
in
our
inner
inner
bike,
not
work
and
I
know
you
don't
want
to
hear
notice
of
hazards.
They
were
listed
in
the
the
email
that
I
sent
in,
but
notice
of
hazard,
about
Bloor
Street,
West
west
of
Shastri
to
Dundas
Street
West,
and
this
is
subway
relief
as
well.
L
L
If
we
have
a
continuous
Lane
on
safety
somewhere
parallel
to
Bloor,
Street
so
notice,
if
a
hazard
about
Bloor,
Street,
West
notice
of
hazard
about
Bloor,
Street,
East
between
sure
Jarvis
and
Sherbourne,
some
of
which
was
in
the
2001
bike
plan
and
somehow
we've
not
found
the
$25,000
to
repaint
the
lane
lines,
which
I
think
is
totally
disgusting.
Nose
of
hazard
at
major
and
Bloor
in
the
existing
bike
lane.
L
That
turn
is
hazardous
notice
of
hazard,
about
the
conditions
of
cycling,
on
down
a
notice
of
hazard
about
cycling
on
college
Dundas,
Queen
and
King,
where
you
have
the
streetcar
tracks
and
also
the
streetcar
tracks
remain
hazardous,
but
especially
in
the
areas
beside
the
that's.
If
I,
this
is
some
of
the
conditions
that
we
sometimes
encounter
it's
an
old
picture.
This
data,
concrete
here
seems
especially
prone
to
breaking
and
fracturing
to
many
locations
to
actually
give
you
a
specific
address,
but
that's
a
systemic
hazard.
L
A
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
that
any
questions
of
the
deputies
you're
coming
back,
but
not
no,
no
you're
not
coming
back.
Well,
yes,
you
are
mr.
Wilson,
so
you
may
as
well
stay
there.
Are
there
any
I
think
in
fact
there
is
a
motion.
So
if
I
there
questions
of
no
questions
of
the
deputy
and
other
questions
of
staff,
the
question
of
staff
counselor
Thompson
yeah.
M
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
and
have
we
reached
that
point,
of
course,
is
that
okay
great?
Thank
you
just
to
to
staff.
In
2017
there
was
a
motion
that
was
passed
asking
for
the
reinstatement
of
the
city's
LGBTQ
2's
Community
Advisory
Committee
in
2018.
There
is
a
second
request
asking
for
the
anti-racism
Advisory
Committee
on
racial
justice.
I
recognize
that
there
is
now
a
report
before
us
that
speaks
to
the
city's
advisory
bodies,
but
I
don't
see
any
reference
to
those
to
those
bodies.
Can
you
speak
to
that.
K
The
chair
happy
to
take
that
question.
We
reported
at
the
end
of
2018
recommending
that
they
would
be.
We
considered
the
possibility
of
an
equity
advisory
body
that
would
that
would
include
working
groups
for
the
different
in
place
of
separate
equity
advisory
bodies
and
that
we
would
consult
and
come
back
with
a
recommendation
on
that.
The
consultations
are
in
progress
right
now
and
when
we
expect
that
we
will
be
coming
forward
with
the
recommendation.
K
K
The
consultations
are
in
progress
right
now.
We
have
consult
on
contacted
the
519
community
center
to
conduct
those
consultations
and
I
expect
that
that
will
go
on
probably
until
May
and
we're
also
in
the
process
of
setting
up
a
program
advisory
body
internally.
That
will
also
provide
advice
that
will
be
helpful
in
setting
up
that
advisory
committee.
So
my
my
expectation
is,
it
will
be
in
the
latter
half
of
the
year
recognizing.
M
K
I'm
not
saying
that
the
519
has
been
consultations
with
community
for
two
years.
We
did
report
back
in
2018
and
at
that
time,
so
you've
referred
to
a
number
of
community
advisory
bodies
that
were
requested
for
staff
at
different
points
in
2018
and
prior
to
the
election.
We
came
back
and
and
recommended
that
we
would
consider
the
intersect
like
we
were
taken,
intersectional
approach
to
a
response
and
that
we
would
be
doing
we
would
be
responding
in
that
way.
M
K
K
Related
issues
are
moving
to
what's
a
model
where
you
have
one
advisory
body,
because
it
is
thought
that
that
provides
a
more
intersectional
approach,
because
the
concern
with
multiple
equity
advisory
bodies
is
that,
then
you
have
that
you
could
have
scenarios
where
staff
are
getting
conflicting
advice
or
that
there
is
no
reconciliation
of
the
conflicting
conflicting
interests,
for
instance,
that
an
equity
advisory
one
equity
advisory
body
is
a
preferred
model.
Is
what
worse,
we're
finding
in
the
research
that
we've
done
today,
but
I
will
say
that
staff
has
not
landed
so
I
indicated.
K
We
indicated
in
the
report
that
that's
what
our
initial
preliminary
findings
are
and
and
I
think
it
would
be.
It's
perhaps
for
a
mature
to
make
a
final
conclusion
right
now,
because
we
will
be
consulting
and,
like
I
said,
we
are
in
the
process
of
establishing
a
program,
advisory
body
that
will
we're
being
intentional
about
representation
on
that
program,
advisory
body,
so
that
they
can
help
inform
the
final
recommendation.
That
comes
to
council,
so
that
it
is
correct
to
say
that
that
is
the
initial
result
of
our
jurisdictional
scan.
K
M
So
would
there
not
be
some
concern
that,
given
the
very
specific
needs
of
various
different
communities
and
I
do
understand
that
different
communities
have
different
social
locations
and
identities
that
sometimes
come
together,
but
it
would
be
perhaps
a
watering
down
of
the
voices
of
those
specific
communities
if
they
were
all
lumped
into
one
group,
because
not
everybody
is
going
to
like
there's
no
space
right
now
for
the
LGBT
community
in
Toronto
at
the
City
Hall
right
now.
So.
K
K
So
we
certainly
will
not
be
recommending
a
model
that
does
not
provide
and
like
an
effective
voice
for
the
communities
that
will
be
representing
on
the
represented
on
the
equity
advisory
body,
so
I
think
the
best,
because
we
have
not
landed
and
we
have
not
had
a
chance
to
actually
consult
with
our
experts
on
on
those
community
partners.
I
think
it's
again,
it's
premature
to
be
to
speculate
now,
but
I
can
assure
the
councilor
that
we
are
thinking
about
those
particular
particularly
issues
and
that
will
inform
the
optimum
I
guess.
The
final
recommendation
that.
A
G
Through
the
chair,
the
terms
of
reference
have
changed.
I
can
speak
to
a
couple
of
areas
where
there
are
some
differences
from
the
previous
terms
of
reference,
firstly
in
the
number
reflecting
smaller
size,
council
and
alignment
with
the
with
the
film
board,
both
in
terms
of
number
of
counselors
and
industry
members.
G
Secondly,
there's
been
what
I
would
characterize
as
an
update
in
the
industry
categories
that
the
citizen
members
should
come
from
that
reflects
more
holistic
and
modern
view
of
the
way
the
industry
shifted.
Diy
grassroots
industry
is
mentioned,
for
example,
in
some
of
the
categories
that
were
maybe
a
little
less
relevant
software
developers,
guilds
and
the
like
have
been
taken
out.
N
G
N
School
and
just
I
think
this.
My
final
question
I'm,
so
just
to
speak
to
the
relevance
of
the
economic
development
aspect.
This
is
obviously
something
that
we
had
been
working
on,
working
on
for
quite
some
time.
I
know
councillor
Cole
and
I
in
the
music
industry
and
many
many
iterations
ago,
and
so
on,
though
that's
come
forward,
but
the
economic
development
piece
really
needs
to
be
tied
in
sort
of
in
a
very
tangential
way,
not
only
with
respect
to
staff,
but
I
would
say.
N
The
committee
is
well
like
ensuring
that
least
one
member
of
economic
development
committee
is
actually
part
of
this
three
members
of
council,
because
we
did
something
similar
in
the
last
iteration.
Would
that
be
inconsistent
with
respect
to
if
I
were
to
put
a
motion
that
requires
that
or
suggests
that?
Would
you
be.
G
A
Dr.
Mary
Thompson
any
other
questions.
I
just
have
one
I'm.
Sorry
to
have
you
come
back
I
just
wanted
to
follow
along
a
little
bit
with
what
councillor
want
Kevin.
To
be
perfectly
honest,
when
I
read
this
report,
I
had
it
slipped
my
mind
that
we
passed
the
resolution
we
did,
which
I
supported
about
the
establishment
of
an
advisory
committee
in
the
LGBTQ
area,
communities
and
I
just
wanted
to
know.
K
A
K
So
the
519
is
doing
the
expect
to
conclude
the
consultations
by
May,
and
so
it
will
give
us
some
time
to
consider
it
and
come
up
with
a
an
appropriate
structure
to
propose
the
council.
So
that's
why
I'd
say
the
latter
part
of
the
year
if
the
latter
half
of
the
year,
if
they
conclude
the
consultations
earlier
and
give
us
the
recommendations
earlier,
then
certainly
we
will
come
to.
A
Council
I
was
to
ask
you
whether
you
could
strive
for
the
earlier
part
of
q3,
given
the
q3
I
guess
technically
ends.
When
is
it
on
September
the
30th
like
sort
of
right
after
the
summer?
Would
that
be
something
that,
because
I
just
think
these
things
do
tend
to
take
a
long
time,
it'll
be
two
years
pretty
much
by
then
I
hope.
K
It
will
not
be
two
years
I
mean
we
will
certainly
come
back
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
think
q3
is
reason.
The
q3
is
a
reasonable.
The
earlier
part
of
q3,
I,
hope,
I,
hope
so,
but
I
mean
I.
Think
we're
also
trying
not
to
tie
the
5:19
hands
as
they
do
the
consultation
so
we're
working
with
the
timelines
that
they
provided
to
us
fair,
but
we
will
work
as
quickly
as
possible
once
we
receive
it.
So
I
think
III
early
is
reasonable,
but
it
depends
on
their
time.
Timing.
A
K
A
M
Thank
you
very
much,
mr.
Marin.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
that,
when
the
emotions
that
were
adopted
in
2017
and
2018,
it
had
the
full
strength
and
support
of
counsel
and
counsel
specifically
requested
that
that
consultations
that
that
terms
of
reference
would
be
developed,
the
compositional
structure
would
be
created
and
that
report
would
come
back
to
this
committee,
I
believe
to
then
vet
out
and
allow
for
public
deputations.
M
I,
certainly
think
that
it
is
very
helpful
to
have
consultations
leading
up
to
even
the
development
of
the
terms
of
reference.
However,
none
of
none
of
that
council
direction
ever
said
to
staff.
We
now
want
you
to
lump
these
equity,
seeking
groups
together
and
come
back,
perhaps
with
one
group,
one
Advisory
Committee,
and
that
would
be
an
equity
equity
body
of
some
sort
and
I
do
recognize
that
staff
are
are
stretched
with
time
and
there's
there's
limitations
to
how
much
one
can
do.
M
If
there's
a
change
in
direction,
it
should
not
necessarily
be
made
without
the
input
of
council
once
again
and
so
I'm
a
little
bit
troubled
by
the
fact
that
we
we
may
not
be
getting
what
we
asked
for
and
I
encourage
to
to
hear
that
staff
are
open
to
perhaps
bringing
back
the
multiple
advisory
committees
that
we
had
asked
for,
in
this
case,
the
anti-racism
Advisory
Committee
on
racial
justice
and
the
LGBT
community
advisory
committee.
That
is
that
is
helpful.
However,
it
is
important
to
note
that
different
communities
have
different
needs
and
different
interests.
M
Just
by
way
of
pulling
that
the
one
piece
out
the
LGBT
community,
it
has
been
very
difficult
for
the
community
to
understand
their
place
in
City
Hall,
not
necessarily
because
we
we
don't
have
access
but
oftentimes.
The
deeper
dive
into
the
issue
is
that
the
community
is
spacing
is
not
available
to
us
in
any
particular
form.
I'll
give
you
an
example
right
now,
within
our
community
we're
struggling
with
crystal
meth
addictions,
there
is
really
not
any
body
of
work
coming
out
of
City
Hall.
M
So
we
never
get
to
the
critical
issues
that
the
community
is
facing
and
because
the
community
needs
a
space
to
have
that
conversation
facilitate
it
within
the
structure
of
this
building,
so
that
they
can
influence
policies,
programs
and
services
that
we
hope
to
deliver
to
the
community
without
their
specific
input
in
safe
spaces.
Inclusive
spaces
they're,
not
we're
not
going
to
get
to
the
outcome
that
we're
hoping
for
and
I
would
say.
M
The
same
thing
is
that
if
we
think
that
the
LGBTQ
community
can
sit
down
and
have
an
intersectional
evaluated
conversation
about
any
particular
issue,
that
we
have
conversations
about,
I
think
that
we
are.
It
would
be
a
wrongful
assumption,
because
I
think
that
we
can
just
as
much
as
we
can
have
a
conversation
around
anti
racism
in
social
justice
and
also
place
an
issue
of
around
anti
black
racism
that
lens
on
that
and
we
can
speak
to
it
or
in
terms
of
social
locations
and
where
people
are
coming
from.
M
We
can
also
bring
out
the
lens
around
immigration
status
and
as
well
as
their
ability
to
speak,
English
and
access
services.
So
these
communities
are
very
sophisticated.
They
are
able
to
do
that
deep
dive
intersectionally.
They
are
able
to
have
a
conversation
to
evaluate
our
programs
and
services
and
give
us
meaningful
and
I
think
valuable
input,
but
I,
don't
think
that
we
would
be
doing
ourselves
any
service
or
those
communities
any
service.
M
If
we
lump
it
all
together,
how
would
you
even
be
able
to
do
that
deep
dive,
and
this
is
what
we
need
to
do-
is
to
get
to
the
granular
details
of
experiences
so
that
we
can
pull
those
valuable
feedback
into
how
we
program
out
our
work
at
City,
Hall
and
I.
Think
that's
why
I
would
advocate
and
I'm
gonna
encourage
staff
to
to
really
think
twice
about
lumping
all
these
groups
together.
Thank
You
thanks.
A
N
You
Maurice
mayor
I
have
a
motion
that
is
now
on
the
screen
and
the
most
basic
aliy
is
just
to
specifically
include
a
member
of
Economic
Development
Committee.
The
original
motion
that
I
had
written
was
the
chair
and
or
a
designated,
but
I'm
told
I
can't
move
the
day's.
Doesn't
it
doesn't
it
here
so
I'm
just
leaving
it
as
it
is
right
now,
as
the
chair
I
want
to
thank
the
the
staff
Pat
Tobin,
Mike,
Tanner
and
others.
As
you
know,
the
t-mac
process
goes
back
a
long
way.
N
Former
councillor
cole
and
I
and
music
industry
are
very
concerned
about
the
fact
that
we
didn't
have
a
real
prominence
of
the
music
industry
featured
here
at
city
hall.
We
have
the
film
advisory
board
and
so
on,
and
that
has
brought
forward
obviously
great
things
in
terms
of
film
sector
and
the
similar
situation
for
the
music
and
what
was
really
amazing
was
when
the
mayor
became
the
mayor.
He
basically,
you
know,
came
on
board
and
it
Ted,
obviously
the
the
the
and
supported
the
process
that's
been
in
place
and
he's
went
on.
N
A
number
of
you
know
with
respect
to
Austin
our
our
music
city
partner,
we're
gone
to
Austin
and
work
in
this
specific
area.
Lot
has
been
achieved
actually
by
T,
Mac
and
I
want
to
thank
Mike
Tanner,
who
came
on
board
and
as
a
result
of
his
his
connection
and
his
expertise
and
experience
with
the
industry
has
really
helped
us
to
expand
t
Mac.
N
One
of
the
issues
that
came
up,
which
is
very
important
to
us,
is
that
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
the
musicians
were
saying
well,
I
can
play
here,
but
I
can't
live
here,
and
what
are
you
gonna
do
about
that?
So
there's
a
lot
of
work,
that's
actually
being
done
in
this
particular
space,
so
the
venue
protection
is
extremely
important.
Mike
Williams
has
been
very
instrumental
in
terms
of
as
the
general
manager
for
economic
development
and
the
support
that
he's
offered
to
that,
and
so
on.
N
These
groups
will
be
incorporated
into
this
particular
process
and
I.
Think
it's
really
amazing,
because
music
has
such
a
prominent
benefits
in
the
lives
of
everybody.
I
mean
I.
Think
I,
don't
think.
There's
anybody
in
this
room.
That's
not
a
music
lover.
I,
don't
know
any
music
lovers.
Quite
frankly,
I
think
we
all
love
music
of
some
form
or
another.
N
O
Thank
You
Mara
Torrey
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
two
items.
I'm
gonna
be
supporting
the
recommendations
and
this
the
first
one
I
wanted
to
I
hope
staff
will
take.
Direction
is
around
a
cycling
committee
as
a
city
councilor
from
the
East
End
of
Scarborough,
where
cycling
is
becoming
more
relevant.
You
know
we
we
put
in
the
bike.
I
won't
even
call
them
bike
lanes
kind
of
bike
routes.
They
get
used
more
and
more.
O
The
other
item
I'd
like
to
talk
to
a
counselor
wong-tam
mentioned
the
LGBT
q2
s+
committee,
actually
seconded
her
notice
of
motion
a
couple
years
ago
and
I
did
that,
based
on
once
again
being
a
city
councilor
from
Scarborough
in
the
community
and
in
particular
youth
within
the
community.
Looking
for
resources
are
often
hard-pressed
there's
these
metro
youth
services,
which
are
Markham
nails
mayor.
O
They
have
a
youth
group
called
East
crew,
but
beyond
that,
if
you
want
any
engagement
and
once
again
for
the
youth
community
in
Scarborough
you're
expected
to
go
to
the
five
one,
nine
downtown,
there
aren't
a
lot
of
resources.
There
I
know
youth
in
Scarborough,
I
can't
talk
for
Etobicoke
or
North
York
outside
of
the
downtown
core
I
know
they
want
to
be
much
more
engaged
and
I'll
speak
again
for
the
flag-raising.
Is
that
way
you
have
out
here
on
the
podium
all
the
time?
O
Kids
in
Scarborough
too,
for
a
flag-raising
at
two
o'clock
in
the
afternoon?
They've
got
to
take
pretty
much
a
day
off
school
to
to
come
down
here.
People
have
to
travel
down
here
for
the
thought
of
the
last
four
years
in
Scarborough,
I've
actually
been
asked
to
sign
as
a
councillor
for
the
Pride
Day
flag-raising,
where
the
groups
are
still
expected,
they
there's
no
normal
process
or
a
process.
They
seem
to
follow
here
at
City
Hall
for
a
flag-raising.
O
You
have
to
go
to
a
city
councillor
and
and
get
them
to
sign
off
and
I'm
sure
I,
don't
know
if
that's
happening
in
Etobicoke
or
North
York,
but
once
again
that's
a
community
I.
Think
that
wants
to
be
much
more
engaged
and
deeper
recognition
than
including
in
the
equity
group
that
the
staff
were
just
talking
about.
I
know
that
wasn't
councillor
Wong
Tamsin
ten,
it
wasn't
my
intent,
so
I
hope
staff
will
certainly
revisit
that
when
they
come
back
with
the
report.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
A
There
it
is,
and
that's
amending
the
composition
and
so
I'll
call
the
question
on
that
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
and
I
guess
confident.
I
hope
that
the
staff
will
allow
us
the
latitude.
That's
why
I
ask
the
questions.
I
did
to
later
deal
with
the
questions
that
were
raised
by
councillors
wrong
time
and
Ainsley
will
deal
with
the
the
the
recommendations
here,
which
is
for
the
establishment
of
the
committee's
that
are
mentioned
here,
and
we're
told
that's
not
to
the
exclusion
of
others.
So
I'll
ask
for
the
question.
A
I'll
call
a
question
on
that.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
care.
That's
the
item
as
amended.
Okay,
that's
three
point:
four!
Thank
you!
We're
making
good
progress
here.
Three
point:
eight
was
the
next
item
on
which
we
had
a
deputation
renewing,
renewing
the
city's
commitment
to
Toronto
global
mr.
Wilson
I.
Had
you
saying,
they're
thinking
we're
just
gonna
be
a
minute,
but
to
thank
you
for
your
patience
and
you
are
the
deputed
on
three
point.
Eight
thank.
L
You,
sir,
and
there
the
time
is
gone,
I
understand
why
we
want
to
engage
the
world.
We
do
like
tasting
the
world
as
humans
or
enjoying
it,
and
traveling
and
learning
new
things.
I
need
my
coffee
in
the
mornings.
It's
not
locally
grown.
Some
people
like
chocolate
I
also
have
a
book
habit,
so
many
of
them
are
not
printed
locally
towards
zero.
Carbon
is
printed
in
China
and
yet,
at
the
same
time,
this
is
the
issue
you
know
this
is
this
puts
us
in
perspective.
L
I
think
we
can
all
find
Toronto
in
there
somewhere
lid
up
another
good
book
that
was
and
that
this
one
was
heavy
to
have
brought
this
in
from
China.
That
was
a
lot
of
energy,
the
spread
of
London
Underground.
We
can
learn
a
lot
from
overseas
ride,
a
bike
planted
in
Germany
and
yet
learning
from
from
from
Danish
I
guess
in
2014,
the
Danish
Ministry
of
Transport
established
that
our
society
earns
90
cents
for
every
kilometer.
We
cycle
instead
of
using
a
car
in
terms
of
longer
lives
in
better
health.
So,
yes,
that's
worthwhile.
L
Getting
a
book
brought
over
from
Germany
fools
rule
is
printed
in
the
US
of
A,
it's
a
good
one,
so
we
have
an
issue
that
we
should
be
looking
at
throughout
all
of
our
decisions
and
that's
basically
the
climate
crisis.
The
climate
breakdown,
that's
sort
of
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
the
support
of
our
ecosystem,
things
are
cracking
we're
going
down.
L
The
people
that
are
going
down
are
probably
not
going
to
be
the
ones
that
created
things
because
hey
canada's
emissions
top
g20
report
says
we
are
leaders,
but
in
our
bad
way
we
have
to
reduce
our
emissions
somehow
to
merely
think
about
supporting
more
crap,
Atal
ISM,
more
stuff
exported
more
trade.
More
this
more
that
Without
Really
analyzing
how
much
greenhouse
gas
we
are
actually
exporting.
How
much
is
he
imported
I
think
is
a
mistake.
L
We
should
be
leading
the
world
because
we
had
this
Toronto
target,
we've
gotten
a
commitment
to
reduce
our
emissions,
so
I
I,
don't
that
you'll
actually
filter
this
through
or
slow
it
down,
but
seriously.
We
have
to
really
think
about
how
we
are
proceeding
and
can't
be
burning
as
usual,
because
we're
at
a
climate
breakdown
stage,
we
reached
411
parts
per
million
this
year.
It's
a
bad
record.
How
will
this
actually
reduce
our
climate
emissions.
A
G
B
G
G
G
I
A
A
N
Right
so
through
you,
mr.
mayor
to
mr.
Williams,
and
because
I
and
similar
to
Councilman
and
Long's
questions,
I
have
not
seen
I've,
not
heard
I'm,
not
aware
with
respect
to
enumeration
for
the
officers
of
this
organization.
Do
you
have
a
list?
Do
you
have
a
document
that
you
can
provide
us
with
today
that
provides
that
information?
No.
N
I
G
A
Deputy
mayor,
any
other
questions
of
staff,
okay,
I
think
counselor
knows
Giada.
You
were
ready
to
move
the
recommendation.
Thank
You
counselor,
that's
yeah
just
moved
the
recommendation.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
Carrie.
Okay.
That
then
brings
us
for
getting
perilously
close
to
the
end
here
to
the
Toronto
Police
Service.
We
had
we're
holding
that
for
a
deputation
mr.
Derrick
Moran.
Oh
you
are
here
now
you
missed
you
this
morning
when
I
say
we
missed
you,
you
weren't
here
did.
Q
Q
Eight
president
Brendon
Haley
de
Puetz
to
the
Toronto
library
board
on
the
rise
of
violent
and
threatening
incidents
in
my
public
library,
affecting
our
staff
and
patrons
so
respectfully
Meritor,
a
man
that
you
councillor
Ainsley
here,
councillor
perks
wherever
he
is
tell
chair,
Andy
Pringle
to
invite
this
union
president
Brendon
Haley
to
well
next
police
board
meetings
on
Tuesday.
So
I
guess
next
month's
meeting
I
give
them
10
15
minutes
whatever
cuz
I.
Q
Don't
have
the
statistics
with
me,
but
from
what
I
read
their
pretty
shocking
and
you
know,
like
I've,
seen
some
pretty
hairy
Kerry
stuff
at
the
Northern
District
Library
myself
in
regards
to
violent
incidents.
So
you
know
Chris,
laingen,
film,
mera
Torre
from
police
board
I'm.
Just
this
is
from
landfill,
verses
of
Toronto
Police,
Services,
Board
2018,
further
I
accept
I,
being
justice,
Joel
Copeland.
Q
The
applicants
argument
that
making
a
submission
remotely
is
not
as
effective
as
attending
a
meeting
in
person
to
make
a
submission,
because
if
a
submission
is
made
remotely,
he
would
lose
the
ability
to
ask
follow-up
questions,
I'm
saying
that
because
maybe
with
Miguel,
but
nobody
has
ever
gone
to
the
Toronto
Police
Services
Board
me
to
hear
a
bunch
of
statistics
spoon-fed
to
us.
We
go
there
because
well,
one
of
the
things
that
we'd
like
to
do
is
for
some
reason.
Q
So
in
this
report
it
says
to
provide
enhanced
information
to
the
public
in
2017.
The
Toronto
Police
Service
has
also
launched
the
public
safety
data
portal
and
open
data
platform
designed
to
provide
timely
and
relevant
information
regarding
Public
Safety
in
Toronto,
actually
I
like
the
way
Chris,
Lang
and
Phil
put
it
at
the
last
meeting
better.
The
trompe
l'oeil,
Services
Board
is
just
interested
in
controlling
what
we
say
and
what
we
get
to
know.
Q
One
way
they
do
this
is
by
giving
us
lots
of
statistics
and
pretending,
as
if
it's
the
same
as
answering
our
questions,
one
thing
that
Dion
Rene
cuz
she
recently
took
the
police
board
to
court.
One
thing:
I
was
there
again:
let's
do
it.
One
thing:
Dion
Rene
did
not
say
to
Justice.
Calvin
is
darn
it
justice
Cavanaugh,
the
Toronto,
Police
Services
Board,
does
not
provide
us
with
enough
us
to
good
statistics
to
listen
to
what
she
did
bring
up
to
justice.
Q
Cavanaugh-
and
you
probably
may
remember
me,
bringing
this
up
at
the
last
police
board
was
the
two
case:
laws
from
the
Supreme
Court
we're
coming
regarding
the
promotion
of
truth
and
the
search
for
truth
and
as
I
ended
up
saying
the
chair
Pringle.
When
you
show
up
to
these
meetings,
the
public
is
never
gonna
find
out
the
truth.
Because,
again
your
stance
on
being
allowed
to
ask
questions.
You
know
the
cheer
Pringle
loves
to
browbeat
people
there
that
we
know
the
rules.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
everyone
on
the
record.
Q
What
the
preamble
of
the
police
sport
says.
This
is
real.
Put
1.5
Trump,
Police
Services
Board
wants
to
ensure
that
the
application
and
interpretation
of
the
procedural
rules
contained
in
this
bylaw
are
consistent
with
the
principle
set
out
above
1.4
says
the
Trump
Police
Services
Board
wants
to
ensure
that
those
rules
reflect
the
principles
of
accessibility,
responsiveness
and
accountability
to
the
community,
fairness,
respect
and
full
debate
in
the
kind
of
conduct
of
its
meetings
and
flexibility
and
responding
to
changing
circumstances.
Q
A
P
R
A
A
Think
it
is
just
being
received
it's
funny,
because
my
binder
doesn't
have
a
sheet
with
the
recommendation
on
it.
It
just
has
so
City
Council
will
see
so
we'll
go
to
council.
So
we
can
get
the
question
answered
before
the
council
meeting.
It's
just
going
on
to
council
to
receive
it.
I
think
right.
Yeah.
O
O
A
Tell
them
to
have
somebody
who's
prepared
to
answer
those
questions.
Yes,
open
data.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
there
any
other
questions
of
staff.
Are
there
any
counselors
wishing
to
speak
otherwise,
so
counselor
and
Sierra
has
moved
the
recommendation,
which
is
to
have
City
Council,
received
the
report.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carried.
Nobody
voted
I
was
in
favor,
okay,
Kerry.
Thank
you
right.
That
brings
us
to
our
final
item
of
the
day:
X
3.11,
the
Toronto,
the
2019
Toronto
Zoo
lumina
experience.
So
we
have
one
deputed
on
that.
That's
Miguel,
Evita
Velarde,.
R
R
R
We
insisted
that
the
pannier
project
was
a
political
maneuver,
heavily
influenced
by
former
councillors,
Raymond
chow
in
Georgia,
my
Malati.
We
requested
the
SU
bore
and
the
city
at
the
time
to
allow
the
creation
of
an
advisory
group
for
the
Toronto
Zoo
and
it's
taxpayers,
because
it
was
important
to
bring
to
the
table
a
second
sober
thinking
before
rushing
into
a
pet
project
at
a
time
and
other
what
kid
ideas,
such
as
the
lumina
project.
We
realized
that
the
cause
of
the
pandas
were
going
to
result
in
death
took
for
Toronto
taxpayers.
R
I
spoke
of
this
at
the
board
in
a
city
hall
at
a
time
with
Debbie
Miller
was
the
mayor
because
we
knew
that
vase
and
financial
analysis.
The
school
hopes
were
not
as
expected.
We
lost
money
between
2016
and
2018
before
they
departed
for
Calgary,
which
we
taught
this
to
the
board,
but
they
were
not
interested.
As
always.
It's
an
all-boys
club
culture
of
the
zoo
that
they
think
they
can
think
for
us.
Ignoring
input
from
the
public
is
the
mayor.
Witness
the
Toronto
Zoo
will
have
paid.
R
They
pay
almost
a
million
a
year
to
maintain
the
soup
and
us
while
we're
here
in
Canada.
We
told
this
to
be
told
of
support.
There
was
a
mistake,
but
here
we
go
again:
mm
I
think
we'd
another
help
to
an
idea
to
help
transform
the
zoo,
negatory,
the
Newman
experience
they
see
and
the
seals
and
the
sua
stab
they're
selling
to
us
at
this
committee,
the
idea
to
raise
awareness
and
encourage
conservation,
etc,
etc.
R
That
is
fine
with
me
and
many
people
around
here,
but
this
this
is
a
Dearborn
of
loving
companies,
loving
groups
trying
to
send
the
products.
You
know
that
they
met
in
closed
doors,
meaning
last
last
favorite,
fifteen
twenty
nineteen
to
discuss
this
particular
items,
CB
216
the
forecast
return
in
my
opinion,
we'll
another
will
be
another
failure
as
attendance
attendance
is
in
decline.
Shoes
are
becoming
I.
Think
of
the
Paris
most
people
that
I
know
who
are
animal
experts.
Motioning
are
carry
anymore
people.
R
R
We
got
rid
of
the
elephants
and
we
move
into
a
sanctuary
in
California,
be
visualized
a
zoo,
a
sanctuary
for
local
animals
and
make
the
sue
a
place
where
people
can
come
to
help
with
ideas,
to
create
conservation
efforts
and
educate
people
to
have
reduce
our
climate
pollution
and
help
keep
this
earth
for
everyone.
The
Toronto
Zoo
should
become
a
place
of
a
century
for
animals.
A
place
that
can
be
proud
of
money
should
be
spent
on
improving
the
lives
of
the
animals
and
not
be
used
for
more
visitors.
R
A
R
O
Thank
You
Mara,
Tori,
I'm
gonna
start
with
the
the
CFO,
miss
teller
and
just
as
a
preface
I
did
advance
circulate
an
amendment
and
in
the
motion
for
the
recommendation
in
this
report,
I
just
wanted
ask
mrs.
Taylor
about
so
you've
seen
the
motion.
Do
you
think
those
properly
safeguards
the
city's
financial
risks
or
how
does
it.
O
P
O
O
S
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
committee
for
considering
this
and
thank
you
very
much
to
the
staff
both
of
the
zoo
and
of
the
city
who've
been
working
so
diligently
on
this.
Our
strategic
plan
was
ratified
by
City
Council
brought
here
in
2015,
and
this
actually
hits
three
or
four
of
the
major
goals
we
have
the
first
to
advance.
The
zoo
is
a
center
of
conservation
excellence
through
innovative
programs.
Lumina
definitely
fits
the
bill
as
something
that
we
have
not
seen
before
in
the
city,
and
we
certainly
haven't
seen
before
at
the
zoo
goal.
S
Number
two
talks
about
enhancing
guest
experience.
It
recognizes
the
need
to
continue
to
grow
and
evolve
and
provide
new
opportunities
and
reasons
for
people
to
come
visit
our
zoo
goal
for
build
an
organization,
that's
financially
sustainable.
We
aren't
working
with
some
group
who's
new
to
this
we're
working
with
a
world-class
organization
with
a
proven
track
record
across
North,
America
and
Beyond
in
parks
in
protected
areas
in
zoos
and
finally
goal.
Seven
increase
understanding
and
awareness
of
the
zoo
is
a
conservation
organization.
This
is
a
story
about
effecting
change.
S
This
is
using
interactive
digital
technology
to
connect
people
to
the
natural
world.
It's
giving
them
tools,
it's
giving
them
hope,
and
it
represents
the
kind
of
thing
that
you're
going
to
find
in
a
world-class
City.
So
that's
why,
based
on
our
research,
we
feel
this
project
is
a
great
fit
for
our
site.
It's
a
great
fit
for
our
community.
It
supports
tourism
in
scarborough
at
a
season
that
has
been
talked
about
as
an
area
of
need,
an
opportunity
for
the
community
and
we're
really
excited
to
bring
it
forward
and.
O
Then
so,
for
us,
the
City
Council
is
one
of
our
biggest
concerns
is
around
financing
and
making
sure
that
the
monies
are
secured.
So
you've
got
a
business
plan
that
you
feel
is
adequate,
that
you
know
having
this
backstop
by
the
foundations.
Is
that
a
worst-case
scenario
or
something
you
pretty
much
expect
is
gonna
happen
or.
S
S
When
we
talk
to
sites
who
have
delivered
this
program,
is
we
were
surprised
how
hard
it
was
to
manage
because
of
the
interest,
so
we
feel
very
comfortable
in
this,
which
is
why
we're
willing
to
approach
our
board
and
be
willing
to
assume
that
risk,
because
we
believe
this
is
gonna,
be
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
generate
more
revenue
to
do
more
work
to
affect
conservation,
to
get
out
there
and
help
improve.
What's
going
on
in
the
natural
world
and.
S
Business
case
we've
provided
focuses
on
operating
between
October
and
March,
and
it
focuses
particularly
on
weekends
and
a
few
weekdays.
We
still
have
a
huge
opportunity
to
potentially
activate
in
the
summer
adding
this
to
our
overnights.
That
was
a
suggestion
that
came
from
one
of
our
board
members,
as
well
as
looking
at
corporate
opportunities
on
those
non
booked
days.
Okay,.
P
S
P
S
So
we
went
through
the
RFP
process.
Unfortunately,
the
feedback
from
that
came
back
after
the
budget
process
and
I
started
in
September
and
I'm
familiarizing
myself
with
this
and
felt
that
this
is
the
kind
of
opportunity
we
wanted
to
take
advantage
of.
You
know
when
I
joined,
we
received
a
lot
of
feedback
about
wanting
to
continue
to
evolve
as
a
zoo
and
add
new
things
and
I
felt.
Pushing
this
kind
of
opportunity
would
be
something
worth
doing,
and
it's
gonna
allow
us
to
really
push
attendance
at
a
time
of
year
when
we
have
capacity
there.
S
I
will
take
I'll,
take
full
responsibility
for
that,
as
my
first
budget
process
with
the
city
coming
in
at
the
timing,
I
did
there's
an
awful
lot
to
understand.
This
is
a
big,
a
big,
complex
machine,
you're
running
and
I
understand
the
level
of
deliberations
that
go
on
with
the
budget
process,
and
this
is
not
an
approach.
I
think
I
would
take
again
in
future,
but
it
is
something
I
think
is
important
to
our
zoo
timing
will
help
it
be
more
successful,
so
we
continue
to
push
it.
N
G
N
G
Million
dollars,
the
five
million
dollars
will
be
spent
on
the
program
development
by
almond
factory
and
the
execution
of
the
production,
and
also
the
installation
and
the
of
the
equipment
and
the
projection
and
the
lumina
production
of
supporting
equipment
at
the
zoo
and
also
the
marketing
significant
amount
of
marketing
that
will
go
into
the
promoting
it
because
we
are
trying
to
promote
the
off
season.
So
that's
a
new
endeavor
for
so
it's
gonna,
a
fair
amount
of
monies
are
dedicated
to
marketing
and
promotion
as
well.
So.
N
S
So
the
lumen
experience
it's
a
guided
night
hike,
that's
45
to
60
minutes
and
if
we
could
actually
pull
up
a
YouTube
video
be
far
more
effective.
It's
it's.
It's
essentially
a
visual
symptom
phanie
connecting
people
to
the
natural
world.
It's
interactive
projections,
installations
that
actually
take
you
to
magical
places.
Let
you
journey
through
time
to
a
world
where
we've
done
it
right.
So
it's
it's
picture
of
the
biggest
light,
show
you've
seen
and
then
amp
that
up
make
it
moving.
It's
not
just
hanging
lights
and
trees
and
make
it
an
incredibly
dynamic,
retelling
indoor/outdoor.
N
Outdoor
outdoor
and
you
said
if
the
period
will
run
from
September
to
March
October
to
March
October
to
March,
okay,
so
in
the
winter
months,
correct,
you're,
suggesting
that
people
are
going
to
go
to
the
zoo
to
enjoy
this
experience
and
I
and
I
like
winter.
Don't
get
me
wrong,
but
at
the
zoo?
Yes,
okay!
So
you're
staking
your
reputation
on
this
because
I
think
that's
really
what
you're
doing
you.
N
S
An
organization
that
I
think
can
have
a
far
brighter
future,
but
we
need
to
challenge
the
status
quo.
We
need
a
challenge,
how
we've
always
done
things
and
our
team's
done.
Our
homework.
We've
looked
at
best
practice
across
the
world
and
we
believe
we're
working
with
a
world-class
partner.
If
we
move
forward
with
this
right
and
the
data
we've
assembled
say
we
can
make
this
work.
N
S
They've
they've
put
these
installations
in
place
in
a
wide
range
of
facilities
from
the
Basilica
in
Montreal
to
Fort
Henry
to
the
Singapore
Zoo
whistler.
It's
at
Eaton,
the
trails
in
the
community.
So
they
have
experience
working
in
settings
with
animals
in
human
care.
They
have
experience
working
in
sensitive
environments.
They
have
a
wide
range.
So
it's
adaptable.
N
S
We're
looking
at
what
our
senior
team
looks
like
as
we
go
through
the
changes
and
it's
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
and
look
at
grassroots
opportunities
to
connect
with
our
communities,
so
we've
been
working
with
scro.
We
we
met
with
visions
of
science
last
week,
we're
looking
at
how
we
do
programming
in
underrepresented
areas,
and
this
is
our
zoo.
This
is
your
zoo
and
we're
committed
to
being
part
of
your
community
and
that's
a
commitment.
That's
going
to
change,
how
we
look
and
how
people
see
us
and.
N
S
A
O
Thank
you
meritorious.
Oh
I
have
a
motion
that
I
advanced
circulated,
I
liked
to
have
it
put
up
on
the
screen
just
a
bit
of
a
history
about
this
further
history,
so
the
zoo
did
put
out
an
RFP
was
90
days
the
the
zoo
staff
to
do
their
their
due
diligence
on
this.
We
discussed
this
at
our
Board
of
Directors
meeting
in
February,
where
he
was
unanimously
supported
the
board
of
directors.
It
was
given
back
to
our
staff
to
process
and
and
get
to
the
city
as
quickly
as
possible.
O
I
know
that
within
the
last
week
of
February
it
was
in
and
to
our
finance
staff.
Here
at
City,
Hall
I
know
we
did
have
a
budget
process.
I
I,
don't
fault
them
for
not
getting
to
this
as
quickly
as
they
could
there's
a
lot
of
work.
Everybody
knows
with
our
city
budget,
but
we
did
get
this
to
the
city
as
as
quickly
as
possible.
I'm
the
chair
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
Toronto
Zoo
I'm,
very
proud
of
this
I'm,
proud
of
the
staff.
O
Some
of
the
projects
were
working
on
people
might
be
familiar
with
maglev
train.
That's
it
was
brought
to
us
as
a
capital
project
as
a
pilot
project
they're
doing
at
the
zoo,
there's
no
cost
to
the
zoo,
we're
probably
trying
to
be
more
innovative
at
the
zoo.
The
Lumina
light
festival
that
you
see
here.
O
You
know
it's
a
world-class
event.
We
sent
it
the
the
RFP
it
meets
all
of
our
strategic
and
master
plan
goals,
as
mr.
DeJong
mentioned
a
few
minutes
ago.
One
of
those
is
conservation,
we're
trying
to
get
the
zoo
a
little
more
away
from
just
you
know,
you've
seen
the
reports
about
attendance
goes
down,
it's
very
dependent
on
whether
we're
trying
to
get
you
know
attendance
all
year-round,
not
just
in
the
in
the
summer,
this
late
festival
it's
going
to
be
in
the
evenings
from
September,
basically
to
May,
when
the
days
are
longest.
O
One
of
the
reasons
that
the
zoo
unanimously
supported
it,
we
had
the
proponent
in
they
made
an
excellent
presentation.
We
saw
an
example
of
other
areas
in
the
city
of
video,
where
it
was
done.
We
asked
questions
around
financing
projections
around
attendance,
we're
very
comfortable
with
with
the
projection
and
the
numbers.
So
we
put
the
motion
forward:
I've
tweaked
it
a
bit
today.
I
know
there's
some
concerns
about
the
financing
and
the
risk
here.
O
So
you
know
we
the
amendments
here
to
try
and
alleviate
that
I
think
you
know
the
the
numbers
even
right
from
the
beginning,
the
numbers
that
we
put
forward
the
proponent-
that's
we're
buying
this
project.
From
said
that
those
numbers
were
very
conservative,
so
I'm
very
confident
that
we
can
meet
our
attendance
projections
over
this
and
I
would
ask
for
support
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
thanks.
P
O
P
O
P
It's
my
I
recall
and
councillor
cropper
book
that
we
did
ask
that
question
when
we
went
through
the
budget
process.
In
the
end,
the
Toronto
Zoo
mentioned
the
staff
mentioned
to
us
that
they
were
trying
to
build
up
the
foundation
because
fine
print,
actually
there
wasn't
enough
money
in
that
reserve
account.
So
I'm
surprised
that
you're
saying
we
have
a
lot
of
money
and.
O
Said
we
have
a
lot
of
money.
I
said
my
understanding.
Is
we
have
money
to
cover
any
shortfall?
That's
not
set
aside
when
I
first
went
on
the
board
of
directors
the
Toronto
Zoo
about
five
years
ago,
we
actually
did
away
with
our
foundation.
Charitable
Foundation
we've
been
parking
money
or
taking
donations
within
an
arm's
length.
I
can't
remember
the
exact.
P
O
G
G
Mr.
mayor
I'll
support
the
amendment
that
a
councillor
Ainsley
put
forward
initially
I
wasn't
supportive
of
this,
mainly
because
of
the
mitigation
of
the
risk
again
I'm,
not
commenting
on
the
program
looks
like
an
interesting
problem
could
probably
be
really
good.
It
was
really
the
mitigation
of
the
risk
from
the
city
side.
G
This
has
to
go
back
to
the
board
has
to
go
back
to
the
foundation.
They
have
to
agree
to
this,
and
it
also
has
to
be
agreed
by
the
CFO,
but
the
mains
and
listen
I'm,
hoping
it's
a
success.
I'm,
hoping
that's
great
and,
and
you
will
actually
make
money
but
I
was
a
little
concerned
because
we
didn't
get
a
lot
of
information
that
we
on
the
analysis
of
the
money.
G
This
eventually
and
I
understand
also
too
that
what
I
literally
want
to
do
is
bring
it
back
to
the
neck
next
executive.
That
would
have
impacted
the
ability
of
you
to
program
and
emping.
That
and
so
I
think
this
is
the
best
sort
of
scenario
moving
forward
to
ensure
that
the
risk
from
the
city
is
minimal.
N
You
very
much
mr.
chair,
you
know
the
zoo
is
a
and
interesting
asset
that
we
own.
It
has
great
complexity.
The
animals
are
wonderful,
the
people
that
are
wonderful.
The
zoo
continues
to
lack
what
I
think
is
interests
for
the
most
part
for
most
people
and
that's
why
the
numbers
are
where
they
are
and
that's
why
the
zoo
doesn't
break.
Even
the
zoo
doesn't
make
any
money.
N
In
fact,
one
of
the
issues
I
had
with
the
zoo
was
the
very
foundation
we
had
the
person
who
was
a
CEO
of
the
zoo
who
was
also
in
charge
of
the
foundation,
and
there
was
some
huge
issues
with
respect
to
that.
For
my
concern
and
I
think
what
actually
just
cemented,
because
I
was
gonna
go
along
with
this,
but
I
think
what
just
cemented
it
for
me
was
counseling
agencies
comment.
He
said
I
think
he
said
we
don't
really
have
a
foundation.
N
I,
don't
know
about
the
lumina
program,
I,
don't
know
about
the
Monterey
momentary
boundary
or
what
a
foundation
or
whatever
it's
called
I.
Don't
know
if
this
is
gonna
work.
But
what
I
do
know
is
the
money
is
a
great
concern
to
me
and
it's
really
difficult
for
every
dollars
that
we
actually
take
in
into
this
organization
and
I
realized.
Where
I
mean
we're
being
asked
to
backstop
and
I
understand
the
element,
because
we
we
we
get
favorable
rates
and
so
on
better
than
the
foundation
would
get
so
through
us.
N
Obviously,
this
would
be
advantageous
to
the
zoo,
but
I
still
don't
believe
and
I
don't
have
enough
information
to
be
quite
frank,
with
you
to
be
able
to
make
a
really
informed
this
decision
to
support
what
we
have
in
front
of
us,
in
spite
of
the
fact
that
you
know
we're
being
told
in
the
motion
here
that
the
monies
will
be
paid
back
in
36
months,
I'll
be
surprised
if
that
is
in
fact
the
case.
So,
for
those
reasons,
mr.
mayor
I
cannot
support
this.
A
Thank
you,
Hopson
any
other
speakers.
All
right.
Well,
may
I
just
say
a
word
on
this
and
just
reset
the
clock
here.
I
was
not
happy
with
what
I'll
call
past
and
I
think
you've
acknowledged
that
it
was
less
than
ideal
for
a
bunch
of
reasons,
but
I'll
tell
you
the
principal
concerns
that
I
had
because
I
think
we
have
to
learn
some
lessons
and
I'll.
Tell
you
from
my
part
speaking
to
the
zoo,
and
there
are
other
agencies.
A
We
have,
that
I'm
sure
have
done
things
before
that
we
didn't
like
if
another
proposal
comes
back
in
this
manner,
I'll
boat
against
it
almost
regardless
how
good
it
looks
because
I
think
what
happened
here
to
my
way
of
thinking
was
that
when
you
were
asking
us
to
guarantee
alone
which
to
me
is
the
same
as
potentially
you
know
in
a
contingent
matter,
spending
the
money
if
you've
default.
If
you
called
upon
our
guarantee,
you
know
there
wasn't
a
business
plan,
there
was
kind
of
a
statement
that
said
in
36
months.
A
This
would
be
paid
back
and
you
know
you
do
have
to
rely
on
management
and
I'm
under
I.
Do
understand
the
fact
it
was
passed
unanimously.
The
board,
including,
but
I,
met
three
members
of
City
Council
and
the
board
has
to
be
allowed
to
fulfill
its
role,
but
I
think
what
we're
being
asked
to
guarantee
that
the
loan,
which
effectively
means
that
we
could
be
and
ending
up
paying
for
all
of
it.
The
whole
five
million
that
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
the
business
plan.
A
We
can't
possibly
do
our
jobs
otherwise
or
say
fine,
we'll
take
your
word
for
it
and
so
and
I
think
there
was
little
contact.
I
know
there
was
some
letters
written
in
February
or
something,
and
but
it
was
done
right
in
the
middle
of
the
budget
season.
Our
budget
season
here,
which
is
a
very
complex
time
to
be
doing
this
kind
of
thing,
and
so
I
just
would
say
that
the
process
was
was
seriously
lacking.
A
What
got
me
to
a
six
out
of
ten
and
that's
where
I
am
six
out
of
ten-
is
good
enough
to
get
me
to
vote
for
it,
but
it's
a
six
out
of
ten.
Only
there's
nothing.
To
do
with
the
concept
I
mean
the
concept
I
I'm
in
no
position
to
judge
it
looks
like
it's
been
successful,
I
swear,
I
questioned
and
again
it's
getting
into
the
merits
of
it.
A
I
questioned,
what's
gonna
be
good
enough
to
get
people
over
to
the
zoo
on
a
winter
night
in
February
and
that's
something
you've
had
to
confront
and
and
your
board
members,
including
members
of
the
council.
What
got
me
over
the
top
frankly
was
the
fact
we
flipped
this
thing
for
being
a
request
for
us
to
guarantee
alone
to
a
situation
where
we're
the
lender
and
our
loan
is
guaranteed.
So
it
takes
the
risk,
as
the
councillor
Crawford
so
said,
so
well
down,
basically
zero
for
us.
A
We
can
think
of
actually
then
to
do
something,
that's
going
to
enhance
attendance
and
create
a
new
attraction
and
so
forth,
I'm
not
again
no
position
to
judge
that
I
just
would
post
a
question
if
I
was
having
the
kind
of
discussion
with
you
not
at
the
stage.
What
we're
asked
to
sort
of
pass
final
judgment
I
would
have
said.
Well,
you
know
if
we're
gonna
have
the
foundation
guarantee
this,
which
is
what
got
me
over
the
top,
because
our
risk
has
taken
down
theoretically
a
subject
to
due
diligence
to
zero.
A
Is
that
what
the
foundation
donors
would
would
have
intended?
But
nonetheless,
that's
where
we
are,
which
to
me
is
a
much
better
situation
than
being
in
a
situation
where
we're
the
lone
guarantor
is
in
at
risk.
If
things
don't
go
well,
the
final
thing
that
I'll
just
speak
to
is
what
I'll
call
future
or
present
process
which
is
I
am
heartened
by
the
fact
is,
is
going
to
go
back
as
consular
agency
said,
to
the
board
and
to
the
foundation
I
guess
they
have
to
separately.
A
They
would
have
to
separately
agree
to
guarantee
this
and
to
the
management
and
and
our
CFO
will
be
involved.
So
I
think
there's
lots
of
sort
of
belt-and-suspenders
there
to
make
sure
that,
just
before
anybody
signs
a
paper,
we've
sort
of
really
really
really
thought
about.
This
and
I'll
be
honest.
You
know
what
also
contributed
to
getting
me
to
the
six
was
that
you
sat
there
and
did
say
he'd
be
accountable
for
this
and
I'm
not
saying
this.
It's
kind
of
one
of
those
job
dependent
decisions.
A
But
I
really
think
this
diligence
and
I
encourage
you
to
think
of
his
diligence,
not
as
some
rubber
stamp
thing.
That's
gonna
go
on
the
one
that's
to
follow
between
the
board,
the
foundation
management
and
the
our
CFO
and
I
know
she
certainly
won't,
but
I
encourage
you
as
well
to
be
very
diligent
about
it
and
very
vigilant
about
it
and
sort
of
really
absolutely
satisfy
yourself
that
this
is
the
best
investment
of
five
million
that
we
could
make
in
the
well-being
of
the
zoo
and
increasing
interest
in
increasing
attendance.
A
I
think
we've
indicated
through
our
concern
about
this
would
be
easy.
Just
you
know
past
this
and
say
sure
and
not
have
spent
the
half
hour
of
your
time
or
hours
doing
it,
but
I
think
you
can
see
there's
a
real
concern
here.
That
gets
some
members
to
say
they
can't
vote
for
it.
I
will
get
myself
just
over
the
line
to
vote
for
it.
You
know
thanks
to
some
of
the
representations
of
councilor
agency,
but
just
also
thanks
to
the
fact
we've
changed
the
deal.
A
It's
a
better
deal
for
us
in
terms
of
risk
as
councillor
Crawford
set.
So
I
will
support,
but
I
think
there's
lessons
to
be
learned
from
it
for
the
zoo
and
for
some
of
our
other
agencies
as
well.
I,
don't
like
loan
guarantees.
We
have
had
some
bad
ones
as
bouncer
Crawford
has
set
and
I
don't
I,
don't
like
them,
because
they're
risky
for
us,
so
councilor
deputy
mayor
viola,
I,
would
like
to
speak.
You're
right,
you
ready
to
vote,
move
all
right.