Toronto City Council Executive Committee, 19 Jun 2017

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Executive Committee , meeting 26, June 19, 2017 - Morning Session
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Part 2 - Afternoon Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ndZNGCk1c#t=10m24s

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0:09:38 - Call to order

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When the members of the executive committee, please come to committee room, one for quorum.

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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, if I could ask.

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Councillor Campbell councillor Campbell, it's on.

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Good morning, if I could have your attention, please I want to welcome everybody to the 26th meeting of the executive committee and begin by acknowledging that we're meeting today on the traditional territory of the Mississauga's of the new of the new credit First Nation, the Hutt nashoni. They here on, when debt and home to many diverse indigenous peoples, to also indicate to people who are perhaps elsewhere than in this building that they can watch us on YouTube or the you can.

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If you leave this building, Toronto City Council, live or follow the meeting on your computer tablet or smartphone at wwr. Our dossier as large council I would like to ask, since it's the first, a public meeting that we've had of the councillor the Executive Committee, since the number of events have occurred, that if you're able that you rise for a moment of silence just to respect the memories and to send our thoughts and prayers to the people who have been affected by the Grenville tower fire in London England.

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The people affected by the incident that took place outside a mosque in London yesterday and our friends in Portugal and our friends in the Portuguese community. Here in Toronto, the Portuguese Canadian community who've, been affected by wildfires.

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Very much are there any declarations of interest under the municipal conflict of interest Act? If so, please indicate the item number and the nature of the interest. Councilor Pasternak. Yes,.

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Thank you mr. mayor. An abundance of caution. I'll declare an interest in item 36, Toronto, Public, Library, 2017 capital budget mm 1826 capital plan adjustments, as my spouse, although on leave, is technically still an employee of the Toronto Public Library. Thank.

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You are there other declarations of interest under the municipal conflict of interest Act, seeing none I'll move to ask for a motion to confirm the minutes of the executive committee meeting of May 16 2017 well, mr. Ainsley and sir Pasternak, all those in favor opposed carry.

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So let's proceed with the review of the agenda and I will say there is one item of new business to add to the agenda. It's before you on pink paper. It is from the Budget Committee. It's an urgent report that the Budget Committee has sent forward. That was added to their agenda at their last meeting councillor Crawford. Would you like to a move to add the new business? Yes,.

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Please, mr. mayor all.

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Right and what we'll do is we'll hold that item down it's on the pink paper here and we'll hold it down, so you can have a chance to have a look at it now. Turning to the speaker's list, it all have to get the approval to add, to add it to the list. All those in favor opposed carry turning to the speaker's list. It would appear.

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Yeah we can go through the we'll do that. Yes, indeed, we are right here so item 1 26.1 is being held for a presentation of deputations item, 26.2 being held for deputations 26.3 being held for deputations and I'll. Come back to timing of that in a moment, 26.4, okay,.

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26.4 implementing a vacant home tax in Toronto err, Tory.

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I'd like to hold that you're.

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Going to hold that 26.5, the interim action plan to confront any black racism is being held for deputations 26.6 bill Toronto and General Meeting and audited statements. I would like to hold that as well. He helps I counselor, shiner 26.7, Casa Loma corporation annual general meeting and audited statements. All money move the recommendations.

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All concert in States moving recommendations, all those at all those in favor opposed carry 26.8, invest, Toronto, Annual, General Meeting in 26, 2016 audited statements motion to move sack of our convictions. Captain councillor Palacio, all those in favor opposed carried 26.9 wind up with invest, Toronto motion to move the staff recommendations of councillors Giorgio all those in favor opposed carry. You have to be work work with me here, a team. Twenty six point: ten lakeshore arena corporation annual general reading and audited financial statements motion to adopt the staff recommendations, constant McMahon, councillor Pasternak.

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All those in favor opposed carry twenty six point: 11 2014 annual general reading and audited financial statements. Councillor Bravo, all those in favor opposed carried.

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26 point twelve Toronto Hydro corporation Annual, General Meeting in 2016, audited financial statements motion to adopt recommendations, councillor Ainsley councillor Pasternak, all those in favor opposed carry went the six thirteen Toronto Portland's company, Annual General Meeting 2016, audited financial statements motion to adopt the recommendations in the report. Councillor McMahon on Surabaya all those in favor opposed carried 26:15 731 Runnymede Road did I miss money.

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About that, well, there is I'm, sorry, a monitoring implementation of city policies, hope 26:15. It's me: oh yes, like too cold, so cold counselor, Palacio, 26:16, new, affordable rental, housing and Mirvish Village redevelopment motion to approve the staff recommendation moved by Councillor shiner councillor Crawford, all those in favor opposed Gary, 26:17, new, affordable housing, 13 15 and 1719 Winchester Street motion to approve the recommendations. Councillor viola, Catholic man, all those in favor, opposed carried 2618, is being held for deputations, the City of Toronto investment report, 2016 2017 heads in beds, levy on institutions like.

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Up and being held by councillor Ainsley 26:20 at 2017 levy on railways, roadways and power, utility transmission and distribution quarters motion to accept the staff recommendations. Council, Aynsley, councillor pasternak, all those in favor opposed carried 2621 186, Bartley Drive, update on confidential agreement held by councillor men and what was that premier, deputy Mary Wong, a 26 22 update on development of low-carbon thermal energy networks, all of that moved by Councillor Scheiner.

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The recommendations in the report second ended councillor McMahon all those in favor opposed carried 26, 23 being held for deputations now, community space, tenancy policy, 26:24 Occupational, Health and Safety Act charge against the City of Toronto motion to adopt the recommendation. The report Council McMahon councillor Pasternak, all those in favor opposed carried 26 25 proposed Aboriginal office for the City of Toronto. This is a to get the city manager to write a report. A motion to approve the staff recommendations constrains the councillor McMahon.

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All those in favor opposed carried 2626 legacy, restoration of identity again to have the city manager consult with Toronto Council fire. That's moved by Councillor fan councillor Ainsley Ellison favor hosed carried twenty six.

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Twenty seven tomorrow, Aboriginal Support Services Council relationship building motion to adopt the recommendation coming from the Aboriginal Affairs Committee councillor Ainsley councillor McMahon, all those in favor opposed carried 26-28 capital variance report for the year ended December, 31st 2016, moved by councillor Crawford councillor, Platt Co, all those in favor of carry 26:29 operating variance report for the 12-month period into December, 31st 2016, moved by councillor Crawford. You want to hold that or move it move. It move.

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It counsel, Crawford councillor Pilate, all those in favor opposed Carrie, 26:30, Children's, Services amendment to the 2017 operating budget to reflect increase in provincial contributions. Again, it's coming all logic. Committee moved by Councillor, no I'll hold that for a technical amendment by held by a counselor pass tonight: 26 31 2017 capital budget in 2018, 2026 capital plan adjustments and accelerations and deferrals moved by councillor Crawford councillor Palacio. All those in favor opposed carried 26, 32 adjustments and deferrals accelerations to the park: forestry, recreation, capital budget, 2017 and capital plan.

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2018 2026 moved by councillor Crawford to set councillor McMahon. All those in favor pose carried 26:33 transportation services, 2017 capital budget adjustments moved by councillor Crawford councillor palazzi. All those in favor opposed carried 26 30 was at 34 33 and 34 adjustment to the 2017 26 capital budget and plan for transportation services. Bonnington place moved by councillor Crawford councillor shiner. All those in favor opposed carried 2635 adjustment to the capital budget, a plan for transportation services, McBride Lane, 2017 26 at 2026 capital plan moved by councillor Crawford as councillor McMahon.

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All those in favor opposed carried 36 Toronto, Public, Library, 2017 capital budget, 2018, 2026 capital plan adjustments. First quarter moved again by councillor Crawford councillor Ainsley, all those in favor opposed carried 26:37 final operating budget variance for the Toronto service for the year ended December, 31, 2016, moved by Councillor Crawford counselor shiner.

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All those in favor opposed carried 38 long-term care homes, 2016 year-end capital budget adjustment moved by Councillor Crawford again, councillor Barlow, all those in favor opposed carried 39 26, 39 staff compliment in legal services, temporary positions for expropriations, work moved by Councillor, shiner accounts of crawford. All those in favor opposed carried 2640 accessibility in shelters status is a recommendation coming from the accessibility, Advisory Committee move to approve the recommendations.

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A councillor Ainsley councillor pasternak, all those in favor opposed carried 26:41 disability issues related to policing in Toronto, adopting the recommendations of the Toronto accessibility, Advisory Committee motion to approve from councillor Platt co-counselor McMann. All those in favor opposed carried 26:42 update to the toronto accessibility, Advisory Committee on City of Toronto Public Appointments process motion to approve the staff recommendations coming from councillor Ainsley councillor below all those in favor opposed carried 2643, getting back to normal keeping residents updated on multi-year infrastructure project is being held for deputations office of neighbourhoods.

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26.4 for in the city of toronto, being held for deputations and 26:45 is called licensing exemption for fraternities and sororities. You want to hold that as council at sea. Okay and then we had the one item of a new business which we previously approved. Adding that's becomes 26:46, I, guess and that's coming from the Budget Committee and pink paper here.

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Now it was suggested that I might just ask on a couple of these matters that were people rather any that that you held that are really short, because we just dispose of them or summer.

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Tourism I did have some questions on. I did have some questions on 26:12 Toronto Hydro, but it be possible to reopen that so I could hold out much.

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As I regret to do so on the inter time counts a Shriner, I respect it.

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We don't know how long it'll be yet and maybe I can handle it offline or just have some comments. Okay, I have.

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A motion to reopen item 26 12, all those in favor opposed carried, and we will now hold that down. Thank you.

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And then Heiner four quick items 26.6 bill, Toronto I, know that the president and CEO is here we're trying to avoid a presentation.

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If we could deal with that and I had maybe I have some brief questions. I could ask him which would give us a short I.

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Think if the committee's disposed to deal with a couple of these items quickly, we'll do that and then we'll deal with speakers and lists and timing, but we just dispense with a few of these items quickly, and so, if you want to do that, that's fine! We can move to that. So I can deal with that and all right. Yes, so now that we're on the item, are there any questions on the build annual report from councilors outside of the executive committee?

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Seeing none it's 26.6 all right, then we can move to questions of staff by I.

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Have questions of the president and CEO who was here somewhere mr.

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Brick, if you're in the room, we can't see there, he is he's in the standing by the way, I should say there is extra space in committee. Room two we'll come back to this, because we're going to talk about the timing of some of these items that people can be part of the proceedings, but also do their work and not necessarily be uncomfortable. In here standing up, okay, accounts of shiner go ahead. Oh.

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Mr. brick, we dispensed with a presentation. This year begin the absence of having a lot of time, but we're moving now from the current model to a new model, but during the early years of bill Toronto. Can you tell me what dividends were paid to the city and then you came on I, think in 2014 and what dividends have been paid over the last four years. Thank.

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You councillor during the initial three four years of bill Toronto, there were thirty million dollars of dividends paid to the city in the last four years since since 2013 we have now paid paid or declared sixty five million dollars of dividends to the city and the annual dividend for 2016 is twenty five million dollars and we're well on the way to produce another twenty five million dollars for twenty.

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An issue with the city- that's very important, I know my colleague councilor by law as well as affordable housing. So Bill Toronto was asked to make a commitment in 2010 by it was for mayor Miller to do build a thousand, affordable housing units, and it was highlighted and council a couple of years ago that very little was delivered in that time. So what was delivered until 2013.

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Up until 2013 there had been ten or Suz me 12 units of affordable housing, but those were produced through section 37 funds at ten York over the last number of years, since 2013 build Toronto has contracted already for transactions that we have completed for two hundred and eighty four units of affordable housing, and we currently have transactions in place for 2017. That will bring an additional three hundred and seventeen units to the city, bringing the total to six hundred units over six hundred units of affordable housing in the last four years. So to.

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Try and clarify that, over the previous terms of two previous mayor's, there was ten units and this mayor since 2014 now we've been able to bring forward how many units again.

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591 units to a total of 601, okay.

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City Building I know you could give me a very long list of projects you've been involved in, but could you highlight for me four or five of the very recent city building projects to give a little bit of a flavor and direction that we've gone with that and build Toronto while.

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Keeping on the line of our principal cause, which is real estate development, to produce economic and city building benefits to the city, I think the one that we all point to is the five oh five Richmond, which was completed in five in 2015, but actually received council approval for zoning in actually less than nine months.

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That will have 300 units of condominium, 15, affordable housing units I, which were produced by Artscape, who I believe is here today and a fifty four thousand square foot YMCA in the City area, the city that's most deficient in public facilities and that was funded through section 37 and through through the YMCA borrowing, so I think and that's their preservation of a heritage building and integration with a community park. I see councillor cressie nodding. He was very, very integral in producing that also. So that would be our I would say our flagship.

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This year, we've led jointly with City real estate, the Etobicoke City Center redevelopment process, which has now been passed. Its first International Design, Corporation design efforts and we'll be coming with a solid business case to Council in the in the fall to move the current Etobicoke City Center recommissioned, that for real estate, real estate development and build a new city building in Etobicoke in an area that would be deficient of city of any jobs actually from the office sector. And we are currently working on the rail deck park in support of meritorious initiative there.

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And we are currently also working on the fort york bridge, which has been renamed the garrison, Crossing bridge and two other really interesting regeneration projects working with councilor perks at Queen and Dufferin on a city property. That's a library, a parking lot, affordable housing and the community center to bring real estate regeneration to that area and we're also working with councilor cressie on the catting Scrat scatting court regeneration. So a number of efforts, so.

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If I asked you, if you could, because it's my last question, you came on in 2013, the organization has changed somewhat and it's being used as part of the model for the new real estate organization. If I ask you what you'd like to say, which I've done to other staff after coming on here in your your years of service, because you won't have the same opportunity to do this next year, the organization will be different. What would you like to say to the mayor and members of council.

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Well, firstly, I'd like to say it's been an honor and a privilege to serve the city and council for almost four years as president of build Toronto. It has been a similar, honor and privilege to lead the dedicated team at build Toronto who work every day to create value for the city, but continually do so with city building firmly entrenched in everything they do.

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I would like to thank mayor Tory for the governance changes he made to the board at Build troph by installing councillor shiner as chair, who supported by councillor Thompson and councillor Dee Giano, have shown how an independent city corporation with a board of directors selected with specific industry skills, can cooperate in close cooperation with city and council department with the city and council to accomplish wonderful outcomes. My last message would be as the process to merge build Toronto into the newly created Toronto Realty agency.

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I would leave one message for merit: orion council build toronto over the past. Three years has shown that economic benefits can create can be created for the city from active, real estate development while at the same time achieving positive city building outcomes such as generating 600, affordable housing units, during probably the most overheated real estate market we've ever seen in the city build toronto has a team of people that say yes, we can do that without letting the Brio cracy hold it back. Please ensure that build toronto is folded into the new agency.

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This entrepreneurial spirit, combined with city building, is not lost in the much toronto jure toronto realty agency. Thank you. My.

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Questions my joy thank.

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You count to shine er. Are there any other questions of mr. brick, councillor Pasternak they're.

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Just very briefly, mr. mayor council has directed staff to continue with the formation of the Toronto Realty Agency embedded in a series of motions is the fact that any ongoing or pending real estate transactions must go to that agency before completion. Are you aware of that council directive there.

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Are a number of transactions that are underway that have been approved by the bill board and our approval? Those will continue. The new board will obviously take control and review those transactions as they go through. Yes, but.

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Your anything that bill Toronto is currently working on must go to the agency review for a review. I wouldn't.

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Necessarily say that I would say that we have current transactions that are approved by our board. Our board continues in place until replaced by the new board. Transactions that are not fully approved or not underway will obviously fall under the new board when a blue or blue board takes place. Okay,.

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Thank you thanks.

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Council price Jack any other questions at mr. brick, all right, Thank You mr. brick. Very much and thank you for all of your continuing service. Are there any councillors wishing to speak from outside or inside the committee councillor, Shriner I'll.

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Just be very brief, merit or EB cuz I asked questions of mr.

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brick, who was able to give an outline there since this term of council, by going on to build Toronto with my colleague, councillor manaoag, who was on previously my colleague to Chiana who's on there now and my colleague, councillor Thompson I, think we've tried to change the flavor of what bill Toronto did substantially to balance the requirement that we have to see some financial gain when we sell real estate, but also delve into the issue of city building, as I think my colleague, councillor bi-lo, has seen and, as you see me raised at every council meeting as to the number of affordable housing units that are coming on and, as mr.

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brick said, the can-do attitude. As my colleague councillor cressie, saw at the five Richmond Street project is and with his help, was able to accomplish the goals of a very unique project which is unique to the city, but no longer unique to build Toronto. It has moved in a positive direction to work with members of council to do the city building initiative. That's there and I think it's the foundation, as mr. brick said, for the new real estate company and it's positive work. So I simply wanted to thank through you and to mr.

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brick and to all the staff at build Toronto for their excellent work. To know that we appreciate everything that we've done and myself having.

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The role currently as chair has been appreciated and being able to deliver this with my colleagues and when I say that so many other colleagues have been involved in projects and their wards and I hope we'll be able to accomplish much more with the new real estate company as we go forward and bring the other agencies together to be able to assist in doing the same type of work but collectively and for the service of the residents of the City of Toronto Thank.

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You councillor shiner: are there any other members wishing to speak to the matter of 26.6? Otherwise, I will ask for motion comical movement of Shinar to move approval of the item. Councillor Crawford, all those in favor both carry now I would like to move, and this is not a commentary at all on either they length of or any other commentary on, the substance of councillor shiners questions.

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But I I would like to propose and ask you if you'd be comfortable having a first of all that we close the speaker's list for all items today at 10:30, because I think we have a full representation of people here and secondly, that for all items we reduce speaking and questioning times for members of the public and ourselves to three minutes on all items, because we have substantial number of people to be heard from today and I think we have that motion prepared and if there are no comments or questions.

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I would ask that we that we call the question on that motion. All those in favor opposed to carry.

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Merit re: did you want me to 26.4 the vacant units I can release it with a brief comment. If.

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Yes, I'm doing trying to do that and I've got one from councilor agency similar. That has a very short motion, so I trying to have these cleared off if they just need ball, so we don't have staff and other people, it's just so so if we can go ahead, are there any questions on 26.4 from members of the committee members of the council, not on the committee all right, any questions of staff, all right comments by members of the council, not on the committee all right comments by members of the committee councillor Donner merit.

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Orient hold it for questions of staff, but when I read this and I understand what we're trying to do is to force people to rent their homes, I would express extreme caution in this. Renting. A personal home has substantial implications once you have a tenant in there, because you become a landlord and being a landlord, isn't something that many people want to be. They may wish to keep their home empty. It may be a senior's home where they may be out temporarily or longer.

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It may be a case where someone has had to move out for reasons that they've gone into full care service, and then we start to see these homes that are there and even if it's part of an estate, it can take two or three years until that a state issue is resolved, but once you put a tenant in the house, you no longer have the same rights you had in your own property.

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Those rights are now given up with the exception, the tenant being there, and if you don't get the right tenant, the costed implications to someone who owns it and having to manage a rental property affect the repairs, the heat, the other issues that go with it and then be sure the rent is paid, and if it's not continue to do that, I think go far beyond far beyond what we think the problems may be, and I haven't seen any statistics to show me, because it says right in the report that we have.

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There is no reliable estimate for the number of residential units that may be vacant, so I'm being asked to go down a road to support a process to do deal with vacant homes. Based on the fact that newspapers have said there might be investors that are holding them. You.

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Know councilor shiner, you and I did a brief comment. This is not a quick release item. Are you gonna wrap up shortly? I will alright.

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But it's a very serious and I can't support that without having information in front of me at all and I, don't think we're going down the right road with this, so I just ask when we have a proper vote on this a recorded vote because I would like to vote against it. We.

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All have a recorded vote. I will just make a comment then, and I'll start the clock. Very brief in response to the one you made, which is you use the expression, we're trying to force people to rent their homes.

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There's no such intention whatsoever and most of the categories you referred to of people who might be winding up in a state are not the people were after here we're after people buying homes that are doing it for whatever purposes investment purposes and then deliberately leaving them vacant and thus withdrawing that housing from the pool and there's no intent to force anybody to do anything. It's rather just to say we're going to place a tax that people choose to keep homes vacant. That have no reason.

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But, having said all that the whole thing this this whole thing, which you're going to vote against, which is fine, is only to undertake further consultation and design attacks to come back for our consideration. So there's no there's no approval being given to any particular measure today, in the absence of the design, so I'll just put that on the record and then I think we can move to this recorded vote that you'd like to have. Are there any further speakers that want to speak to this? At this point? Okay, hearing?

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None, let's call the question, then we have a recorded vote.

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On the motion to adopt the recommendations in the report, all those in favor councillor Barlow when you're seated.

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Councillor Ainsley councillor bylaw councillor Crawford.

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Counter DiGiorgio councillor McMahon, deputy Raymond, Wong merit or a console plot 0 councillor Pasternak.

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All those opposed councillor Scheiner the recommendations passed.

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Thank you very much. We have next, then I think councillor Ainsley could dispose of the twenty six point, 19 heads and beds that he held councillor Ainsley. Yes, thank.

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You very much task.

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First for any questions by members outside the committee questions of staff from members inside the committee comments remembers outside the committee comments by members of the committee councillor Ainsley I.

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Think him I'm gonna merit or I'd like to move the same motion. I've been moving annually for the last five years about trying to get the province to give us the financial support for this item based on inflation and also to forward it to the association of municipalities of Ontario. Many municipalities across Ontario have the same issue with this. Thank you.

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Any other comments by members of the committee I'll just make a brief comment and say: I described it in the staff briefing the other day as a ripoff which it is. But having said all that we will now move to the question, then all those in favor of counselor NZ's motion opposed carried and then to the pardon me yet on the item is amended to 26 point 19.

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All those in favor opposed carry I was told that we could do a deal with 26 point 45, which is the I, think the item we as a licensing exemption for fraternities and sororities. Yes, mr. mayor, is you have questions? Are you just going to make a comment or questions copies set those recommendations that.

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Electrical for what all.

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Letting the cavity.

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Enthusiastic risk is when questions of staff by anyone no comments by members outside the committee no over to you, counselor Thank,.

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You mayor is I, have a set of recommendations for recommendations that that I, like this item, to go back to the license, Standards Committee and through their executive director municipal licensing I, can't discuss this with a council Christians one and he is in agreement to it. So those are the recommendations.

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All right there, any members wishing to speak to the to the motion put on the floor by Councillor Plaza, to amend and add to 26:45 in terms of the report that's being asked for here all right. Otherwise, we ready to call the question that all those in favor of the amendment moved by Councillor palácio opposed carried on the item as amended 26:45 all those in favor opposed Kerry. Thank you any other items that people wish councillor Crawford a mr.

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I can move my budget item on the pink paper, even though it's a new item that came here was also a new item at budget, and we did have a discussion with it then pass it. So I can move that if everyone's fine.

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All right are there any questions of staff on item 20 would became. 26:40 was 46 questions of staff. Any comments beyond councillor Crawford's. Moving of the item, all right, I'm ready to call the question that all those in favor of 26:46 the pink paper budget item all those in favor opposed Carrie, okay, so I.

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Just want to go through if I can they proposed timing for the day, ladies and gentlemen, because I think it's important to a large number of people who are here on the number of items, but especially on one. The first item that we're going to deal with is 26.1 the proposed King, Street transit pilot and we're going to have a short presentation on that.

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I would expect that the meeting is going to last into the late afternoon and probably into the evening and I'm, just being honest with all the people that are here, in particular on the short-term rental item, 26.3 that we will not get to that before lunch, that, after the lunch break today, the lunch break ends at ends at 1:30 between 12:30 and 1:30. So I'm just saying that, so you could be free to go into other things if you want, including going to the other room.

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If you want to and watch the proceedings there, committee room 2 is open for extra seating or you could go for a walk or otherwise entertain yourselves in some way other than sitting here, which I will take note of all the people who choose to sit here waiting for that item for the three hours. So they could go and have a psychiatric examination.

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So I, so so with the with the otherwise we're going to deal with things in the order they come and with with that, having been noted, we will proceed with item 26.1 and the first thing we're going to hear from is our staff presentation. This is the proposed King Street transit pilot from Bathurst reat to Jarvis Street. So if our staff could come forward.

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So for those who haven't been here before we'll have this staff presentation I would propose. Then what we'll do is we'll have questions on that at that time. I think it makes sense and then we'll do the deputations right after.

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It surgeons ones like did I understand mr. Beaufort was gonna, be here as well or see.

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Is he coming today.

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Just having a momentary set, a search party out for mr. Byford so will will either stand this down if he's not around or if he's one minute away somewhere we'll find out. Thank you just be patient if you would Oh Chris all right. Mr. Upfold is here from the TTC, so we'll have him stand in he's been very he's been very engaged in this. Ladies and gentlemen, all.

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Right, ladies and gentlemen, please.

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There's a lot of hubbub at the back there if we could just.

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Mr. mayor, thank you very much to the executive committee I'm going to begin with some brief introductory comments and then Barbara's going to walk through some of these all.

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Right Jennifer, just sorry, ladies and gentlemen, over here in particular, and and over there, please, we have to pay attention off. We went to our presentation and thank you very much.

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No we'll just do it. Thanks.

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Go ahead. Thank.

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You very much mr. mayor, the pilot that you see before you today is an outcome of two key directions: the first being the transit network plan that was undertaken in the context of feeling congested, which was launched in 2013 and the second being teo core: a study of growth in the downtown and a comprehensive network. Sorry, a comprehensive plan for infrastructure to accommodate the significant growth that we see in the downtown in teo core.

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The objective has been to look at both hard and soft services, including everything from parks and water and energy, and built form to ensuring that we also look at how people can continue to move in the downtown as the downtown grows four times faster than the rest of the city.

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Today, there's a population of approximately 250,000 people living in the down town that number by 2041 is expected to swell to four that four hundred and seventy five thousand people- and I would say, that's a moderate estimate in part because we are seeing growth again in 2017 in the downtown that exceeds our previous projections. So the objective in the context of this pilot project has been to identify a quick win.

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This is not a long-term infrastructure project, but a way that we can respond to the transit capacity deficits in the downtown by making a change to the existing infrastructure.

L

The work that we've undertaken over the course of the past several months has focused on understanding how the corridor works today, what the key constraints are and the transformations that might in fact, increase reliability, increase service, move more people and adapt the spaces that we have today in such a way that it is a well-functioning Street I'm now going to handle the Florida Barbara who's going to walk through some of that analysis.

L

J

You I wanted to first off say that this has been a true collaboration between transportation services, City Planning and the TTC one of the things that I think you'll see as we go through the deck and talk a little bit more about the specific recommendations that we are proposing for. This pilot is that we really are focused on a street design, that's going to put people in transit first and so I'm, going to walk through why King Street and how we got to this conclusion.

J

So King Street is the busiest surface transit route in the entire city. It moves about 65,000 transit riders, every weekday, compared with about only 20,000 vehicles that use a corridor only the only transit ridership that is greater is on the young University in blur Danforth subway lines, and so it really is quite a significant component of our transit system, but King Street currently doesn't work particularly well for transit. In fact, it doesn't work particularly well for drivers either.

J

What we understand about King Street is that the travel times on streetcars can be slow and unreliable and erratic people need to plan for their commute for their slowest trip, because walking is often faster. We heard that a lot through our a relatively extensive consultation on this project. We also know that there are areas of King Street that are more significantly impacted by traffic congestion than others, and so that had something to do with our ability to pick a location to focus on the pilot, and that is between Bathurst and Jarvis Street.

J

We'll talk a little bit more about why that was our selected area for the pilot project as well. Another thing we know and for any of you who have taken the king car that the streetcars are often overcrowded in over capacity in rush-hour. We also know that King Street isn't working particularly well for drivers today about 20,000 vehicles, use King Street per day, but largely for local trips. We've done a fair amount of analysis to identify where those trips are coming from.

J

They are overwhelmingly local trips going to local destinations, so people who drive through the downtown don't typically pick King Street as their corridor to get through.

J

We also know that up to 50% of the existing traffic that travels on King today, if the pilot were to go through and be approved by, this committee in the council overall would be expected to disperse across parallel routes, and so another reason why we selected this pilot area is because there are parallel routes in this area that can absorb some of that dispersed traffic, Queen Street, Richmond, Adelaide, Wellington and Front Street. To be specific, another thing about a pilot project, Jennifer mentioned it, but I really want to underscore it.

J

A pilot project is something that we use in order to test and refine and come up with some recommendations and some outcomes that we can bring back to the public and the council about how it is working before we were to move forward with something more permanent, and so the value of having a pilot project is significant in this corridor. Another thing that we know is that neighborhoods along the street are growing as Jennifer mentioned.

J

39 percent of the residential growth in the city is proposed in the downtown and, as you can see from this diagram, King Street and the areas closer to the waterfront are going to be experiencing a lot of that growth and another thing that we recognize working together with our partners at the TTC, is that we've really looked at a lot of tweaks to transit service and operations on King Street.

J

Over the years, we've tried any number of things: extending turning and parking restrictions, increasing stein fines for no stopping all door boarding, which is a significant move. Consolidating transit stops. We tried any number of things, and so what we know is that operational tweaks are just not sufficient to really put transit and people first and make sure that we have fast reliable service on King Street. So why a pilot I've started to talk a little bit about that test, measure and refine.

J

It allows us to take a step to do some work, to identify a proposal that we think is going to be meet the needs of the goals of our pilot. We can measure that in real time we have baseline information, so we know how the street is operating for all of those modes today and we can measure against what we find when we put the pilot in place and then we can refine it, which I think is a pretty significant issue. We can refine signal timing. We can refine curb space use.

J

We can refine the way that we communicate it to drivers in to people. We have the option to tweak it as we go along both quickly and cost-effectively, so things about a pilot has to be feasible and simple to implement. So there are a number of ideas that have been discussed in the run-up to this discussion today that we are not moving forward with, and we wanted just to be clear about that. First off is: we are not proposing to make King Street car free.

J

There are driveways and parking access that is needed for buildings along King Street. We want to make sure that load zones are able to be accommodated. We want to make sure that taxi stands are able to be accommodated, and so there are. There are plenty of reasons why, having vehicle access on King Street makes sense, there's been some other proposals to make King and Queen a one-way pair. That is a very large and complicated scope to undertake in a pilot project.

J

It would also negatively impact people's walking distance to get to street car stops replacing street cars with buses is both inefficient and costly.

J

You need a two to three replacement buses per street car in order to have them move the same number of people and they would still be stuck in the same traffic congestion and then moving the streetcar tracks to one side of the street is not feasible as pilot, that's a major capital project and would be quite disruptive so in our summary King streets, currently not reaching its full transit potential, we really need to take a bigger move and the pilot is a chance to test out what King Street could be a chance to put people in transit first to improve speed, reliability and capacity.

J

So King Street today we're going to go through now. Some of the component pieces of the pilot King Street today has street cars that operate in mixed traffic. There are higher traffic volumes with left, turning movements that can block the street cars from getting through reliably transit. Passengers have to cross a live lane of traffic, as you know, to board the streetcar and the cyclists currently ride in the curb lane.

J

They share that space with traffic and on street parking pedestrians with sidewalks on both sides of the street, although sometimes those areas are quite constrained, given the volumes of pedestrians and there are limited designated spaces for deliveries, loading in taxis of which there's demand. We focused on three key design priorities: the first as I mentioned, moving people more efficiently on transit, supporting business and economic prosperity and improving public space and and part of the thing that we in look doing a relatively deep dive on the data that we did to prepare for this pilot project.

J

We understood that more traffic on King Street was resulting in worst streetcar performance. At the times of the day, when there was less traffic on King Street, we saw that the streetcar performance was more reliable and consistent, and so that was a bit of a driving force and how we came up with our recommendations. I'm going to turn it over to Jacqueline Hayward galati has been doing a lot of heavy lifting on this project to talk through the specific operational issues as well. We'll move through those quickly.

F

Thanks Barbara, the the pilot involves the section between Bathurst and Jarvis, in which it's proposed that King Cecil would function as a local traffic, so only Street generally with no through movements. Vehicles that aunt that enter King Street would be required to turn right at signalized intersections. In most cases, when you approach the pilot area from the West, you would turn left or right at Bathurst.

F

If you came all the way to Bathurst, and if you were approaching the pilot area from the east, you could you would be forced to turn left or right at Jarvis. We would expect, as Barbara described in terms of the transportation network functioning, that some drivers would choose to make those some those decisions about their route. Much prior to that location within the pilot area, as I said, there would be no east-west through traffic at key intersection.

F

The exceptions to this would be, of course, transit, bicycles, police, fire, emergency services and works maintenance services as well street sweeping and plowing that sort of thing within the pilot area. One thing that doesn't exist very much today is that there would be designated space for taxis, short-term loading and deliveries.

F

This diagram shows what an example block of King Street would look like and how it achieves the design priorities in all three areas: around moving people more efficiently on transit, supporting business and economic prosperity and improving public space I'm going to dive into each of those categories and describe the elements of the pilot. Briefly in terms of moving people more efficiently on transit.

F

The primary element is that the key streetcar stops would be moved to the far side of the intersection after the signal with a physical bump out in the curb lane, and the improvements of that are to passenger safety, improves streetcar boarding times, because there's less space from a person to walk from the curb rather than from the curb lane, and it also improves street streetcar operations. A benefit for drivers is that it allows right turn traffic to queue on the near side of the intersection.

F

So it's quite critical to allow that flow for right turn, vehicles that are increasing in this corridor. The local traffic within the block would share the streetcar lane, but, as I said, would must turn right at the intersection. There would be more space for waiting transit passengers with this design as well. In terms of supporting business and economic prosperity. We would provide spaces for taxis, pickup, drop-off, short-term loading of passengers and goods and deliveries.

F

Physical grabs would be allowed would be provided to allow fit access to all of the existing driveways, and there would be no on street parking within the corridor. It's important to note that on street parking within King Street is about 180 spaces, which is less than 3% of a total of almost 8,000 spaces within a five-minute walk to King Street in terms of improving public space.

F

I've described how the the new streetcar shops and the curb lane would provide some waiting area so that there would be more space within the the sidewalk for passenger movement, but we would also use some of those locations for street car murals. As for the example on the top right of the screen, which was from the next city competition prize, there would be in some locations, seating and planters within the curb lane for public space, and that would be in partnership with the local BIA s and businesses.

F

In locations where that made sense, this is also an opportunity for additional bike parking as a pilot project. It's critical that we monitor and evaluate to understand if the pilot is working, how we can tweak it to make sure it's optimized and to evaluate the performance at the end of the day, so council can make a decision. The evaluation and monitoring framework is threefold: aligned with those same design, criteria that we described moving people more efficiently on transit means that we need to monitor and report on metrics about transit service, reliability, speed and capacity. Primarily.

F

Overall, we want to see the corridor move, more people more person, trips along that corridor by transit, walking, cycling and and auto films all together in terms of safety and accessibility, understanding improvements, the volume of improvements to Universal, accessibility and safety of vulnerable road users, number of collisions that sort of thing in terms of supporting business and economic prosperity, understanding how the changes impact the overall transportation network is critical, so having metrics that associate with the traffic speed traffic volumes and travel time in the network, not just along the court orbit in the overall transportation network measurements around on street curbside activity, compliance and enforcement as well.

F

We are partnering with the local BIA s2a conduct, an economic impact monitoring study and the scope of that is currently being defined. But there's there's been several meetings to define the monitoring framework of that piece. The. Lastly, the improving public space is a little bit softer to measure understanding of having metrics about the amount of new public space. That's been added and the amount of people that are enjoying that space and using King Street, so that there's still a very lively public realm.

F

In terms of next steps, we've conceived of this as being a three-phase pilot. The first phase was when we developed goals and pilot options, and we held a public meeting back in February where hundreds of people attended and then thousands of people subsequently responded to a survey about their their preferences. In the pilot choices in Phase two we evaluated and selected the preferred pilot and again in May, we had another public meeting with hundreds of people in attendance, so we're bringing this.

F

We brought this to the TTC board and that's flowing through or bringing this here today to you pending council endorsement. We would go through a very an extensive process of consultation for the detailed design component of this project before potential implementation in fall of 2012 fall of 2017 following the TIF festival.

C

So I think I'm going to change field a little bit here. Instead of having questions on this now we will hear the deputations and then we could have one round of questions on your presentation and the comments made and I think it'll lead to better questions too from us having heard the public so I. Thank you very much for that presentation and on that note we would move to the speaker's list, and we, the first speaker was I'm told nithya.

C

Vijay Kumar is mister. Is that mister miss kamar Vijay Kumar here, because I was told they were on their way. Okay! Well, we'll move to the second deputy then listed on the list here: Sam weenie, president Toronto fleet operators, Association.

C

Good morning, sir, we have changed the time to three minutes, as you may know, so you have three minutes and you're most welcome here.

M

Thank You mr. mayor and thank you city councillors for having me here today: I'm Sam Malini, president of the Toronto taxi fleet operators, Association also spokesperson for the Toronto taxi alliance and I, would also like to say my friends and colleagues of the eye. Taxi acai taxi workers have medial authority to speak on their behalf on this issue as well, and I think they will be giving a letter to the city and emailing them.

M

Regarding this issue in support of what I'm saying here today, I would like to start today by saying that we, the taxi industry, are a signal significant part of transit in the city and would like to be treated the same way as the TTC in regard to sport and in regard to this pilot project.

M

The sole purpose of a taxi cab is to transport the public around the city in a safe and reliable way, saying that we feel, as the king street pilot project kicks off, we would like to see taxi camps, be exempt, treat it just like streetcars and have full access and right to travel through King Street taxi cabs are marked vehicles. Majority of them painted the same colors with roof lights and door numbers which will allow enforcement to easily differentiate them from normal private cars.

M

The public need reliable transportation on King Street and tax caps will be their best options and to work alongside with the TTC.

M

The taxi and the taxi industry has seen significant hardships the past few years and as and the past few years and see this pilot project which restricts them from having having through access of King Street, significantly tarnish our industry in a time where efficient and most convenient services are seek by passengers and consumers not having through access of King Street will significantly. In fact, the one advantage. Our taxes that our taxi industry still has left flagging.

M

Flagging is an integral part of our taxi industry and King. Street is one of them, one of the most heavily relied upon streets for flagging to our industry. People want to be able to get out of their office buildings or condos and flag the first gap. They see not go to the side and make an extra effort to receive an a taxi cab.

M

Only way to maintain this is to have full access to King Street, though I thank city staff for their hard work on this project, with the taxi cab industry first were consulted just under two weeks ago. After the report had after the report had already been written. I personally had voiced my concerns in the meeting I that I personally had voiced my concerns in the meeting I had attended, but knew that our only option is here at this committee to make sure our voices are heard and that we can request this.

M

A committee to exempt taxes from this project allow them to have full through access of King Street and to maintain, and maybe additional cap stands to be awarded to us, hopefully and again, I want to thank you guys for having us here today. Thank you. Thank.

C

You very much now we have me just make a note of questioners here: we've got councillor cressie and councillor shiner and councillor Giorgio.

C

Alright, councillor Cressy, we can go ahead with you first. Thank you. I thank.

I

You very much mr. mayor, thank you for being here just a couple very brief questions. Did you or any other representatives from the taxi companies, you're speaking on behalf of attend the public meetings that were organized.

M

We were, we were requested to come to a stakeholders meeting about two weeks ago. I was personally and I think they may have had another one, but not the public ones. No, so.

I

But I'm, just when you said that you were only consulted two weeks ago, public meetings were held right, oh did, representatives of the taxi companies I wasn't.

M

Aware of the public meetings myself personally because of my own business that I'm running, but uh we're usually in these kind of big bigger projects, were usually consulted with the taxi industry is usually called upon to give their input. As we are a huge part of the tragedy.

I

I understand I'm, just there were public meetings which and I just wanted to ask whether members of the taxi companies intended and gave input into the public meetings both when we were designing the pilot options and refining the final pilot design. Well,.

M

I can speak for my the people that I represent know we had. We did not intend those meetings. Thank.

I

You so, and I just want to make sure I understand what you're what you're requesting. So the proposed approach here is to allow streetcars to carry all the way through cars are allowed to have access, but they have to turn right on each block as a transit. First approach, your your recommendation would be a transit and taxi first approach whereby cars with taxis could also carry through like streetcars. Is it yes.

M

I

A transit and taxi first approach, not a transit first approach. Well,.

M

We feel taxis our transit, so.

I

A public transit and taxi a first approach, as opposed to a Trant public transit. First approach: yes, sir. Thank you very much.

C

Thanks councillor Crecy councillor care Janice thank.

N

You there's hundreds of studies that take on place in this city hall. Almost every day, does your industry have the capability of monitoring all of them nearly.

M

Impossible we have a business to run ourselves so sometimes even our taxi drivers and fleet operators. We like I, have to take time out of my day to come and make sure I represented here, and we usually get called out for our for our input because we are a integral part of the transit in the city. If.

N

You were, you were advised two weeks.

M

Ago, that was the first meeting. Ie we had on this issue was.

N

That ample opportunity, in order for the industry, to to look at it to put in and to speak, about it and to sort of study. The proposal well I.

M

Give them credit they gave a good briefing to us in that meeting, but I voiced my concerns in that meeting and I wanted to make sure that they understood that taxis are a part of transit and we need access to that street. No matter if you want to allow cars or not. That's a debate for council to have but taxis need that street the taxis are based on flagging these days.

M

That's the most integral part of their business now and they'll lose that if they're not and if they're not allowed to have access to the street, do.

N

You feel that if you have to turn right, you'll have a lot of tax caps, just circling around creating more blockage and more havoc I. Don't.

M

See how it will work for taxis, I, think I'll just cause a lot of havoc they'll, pour on to other streets and create more congestion. I think if you have taxes, taxi sole purpose, as I said, is for public transportation. It's to transport, the public around they're, not there for private use, they're there to transport the public and if TTC's are doing the same street. Cars are doing the same thing. Why shouldn't axes have the same access as that you.

N

Also provide a service to Trane's would I be incorrect. Yes, we do so we'll transfer cuz our TT severe, because they will have the access to go straight through well.

M

Accords, we won't have access to this. No.

N

No I'm talking about wheel trans will transit et.

M

Cie vehicles that had taxi licenses on them, no.

N

No, that have will trance the other big buses.

M

Your ties, yeah I, am assuming they have I'm, not sure if they're I think they'll have access. So since.

N

You're performing the same the same service as will transcend your higher play wheel, trance I. Guess you should be able to go through also when absolutely.

M

I know um I know many of our taxi companies have contracts with the TTC and they provide wheel Tran service not only to a wheelchair vehicles, but also sedans did.

N

You have ample opportunity to speak to all the stakeholders within the industry in in that two-week period or I.

M

Tried my best to speak to as many people as I can and that's why I mentioned that the I taxi workers they couldn't be here today, but we spoken in-depth with each other in the last couple of days and they support what I'm saying and it would. They gave me the authority to come and speak and.

C

M

C

Surprised if I.

M

C

That was actually your last question: Thank You, counsel, character, care, Janice, counselor havoc is next I.

B

Understand that there was a constant that there were consultations in the taxi Alliance was invited to all all three of them. There was a stakeholders group, an advisory committee. Are you were you? Where were you? Where is.

M

The first meeting that I was invited to was the one that was two weeks ago: okay,.

N

Yes, yes, yes, yes, there.

B

Okay, well, maybe we'll get stopped to clarify it at a later date, but my understanding is that there was one stay.

M

Free of stakeholders group.

B

And that they had met three times in the last year, well,.

M

If they had invited us, I had no idea of it because I'd never got an email or a phone call from them, so they.

B

Might not be aware that.

M

uh Well, I, usually they usually I've been a part of many consultations in this. In this beautiful place, that's City, Hall and they've always requested me and they have my email. My phone number I've been contacted several times regarding the taxi cabs and other issues such as tolling and every and we've attended those meetings when, when we were asked upon so okay great.

B

Okay, thank you will clarify that was stopped. Thank you. Thanks, Thank.

C

You councillor my havoc any other members who are not members, the executive committee wishing to ask questions of this deputy. Alright, we then move to members of the committee councillor shiner,.

E

So Sam I'm, just gonna, go back to the same issue. No, you are representing who the drivers.

M

Well, the I taxi workers I, represent the the fleet, operators and president of them, and also the spokesperson for the Toronto taxi Alliance. So I represent the taxi industry as a whole and the drivers, some of the driver unions, you can call them such as the I taxi workers. We've spoken in depth with each other.

E

Questions after we've.

M

Spoken in depth and we're all in agreeance to this air has been actually drivers as well. Yes,.

E

So there has been some consultation with persons in the taxi industry. Do you know within each other within ourselves? I finish my question, I'm sure glad anything. I said to my colleagues: there has been some consultation between city staff and the industry. Are you aware of who's been consulted.

M

um As far as I know, um they haven't been consulted. Okay, so you're not aware of any I'm, not I can't speak for them on that those issues- I'm, not okay, I, don't have anything that bad.

E

Really, your issue is one where you don't think that flagging is going to work properly when you're going on a block by block basis. Is that the issue? Absolutely? As you know, they think that the that? No so how many taxi drivers would be working in that core or on King Street a day. Well, it's a look at the number of vehicles compared to the 20,000 that are there well.

M

There's about 5500 taxis, they work all around the city. Of course. Not all of the taxes will be working on King, Street, obviously but I'm, and in peak times such as you know, especially Thursday Friday Saturday nights. It's heavily replot relied upon the tax industry to move the inspection in the entertainment district to move the public around they have heavily requested. Oh, is it.

E

More in the off-peak hours would it be something where, if there was a trial that you were allowed to, have the taxis go along the corridor straight in the off rush hours. That would still solve most of.

M

Your problem, I, don't think so because I think in the rush hour, significant flagging is a significant part of their of our business hours. How.

E

Many cars would there be because this is an.

M

Artist, having give.

E

Me an idea you're supposed to know the industry. Well 50 cars, 500, taxis, I mean how many are going to be in between the street cars.

M

I'm sure there you know as I see it right now, as if people I can't give you the exact number I, don't have that exact number, but I know it's significantly used on the on all.

E

Times of the day and help me I can't help you, so is it 50 cars, 250, taxis,.

M

What time you're at what time are you asking like on rush hour on rush hour, I.

E

Got 15 seconds left to hear your answer.

M

E

M

Say about maybe 15 to 20 percent of the taxis in the in the city, maybe how many cars, maybe 1500, maybe talking a thousand taxis on Kings more like five I, don't think it's a thousand thousand is a very high number that, like.

G

M

Lastra I can't give you the answer. Council an exact number, it's very hard for me to get that number thanks. Counselor.

C

Shiner counselor to Giorgio the.

O

Heels of that last question, one of my questions was to actually look at how many number, how many taxis are we actually requesting be exempted number one and that's a number that we can't arrive at you. Don't have an estimate. Staff doesn't seem to have an estimate so until we get that number that we're really looking to accommodate. That's one question. Second question is: perhaps you can answer.

O

There are supposed to be designated cab stands in each block, I assume so I'm, not sure how many cap stands will be available in each block, but I suspect cabs will want to line up, but those cab stance would that be reasonable. If.

M

There's cat we are where we have always asked for more cap stands in the city, there's a lot of cabs sitting vacant, especially in these in these times, but if there's caps as I'm sure cabs will be sitting there waiting. What.

O

Will there be enough spaces for cabs to sit there doubtful I doubt.

M

O

Number of cabs stands available on King Street being increased through this pilot.

M

There is I guess there is. There has been a couple of caps answered an increase, but it won't come close if we don't have access to the through the way through the King Street. You can see a lot of cabs. You know circling and moving and not causing more havoc on the street than anything so I think having access to the street is a lot more simpler for them, because they'll just go through it.

M

They'll probably catch one flag and they'll get off the street and they'll uh they'll keep working, but if they don't have access to the full Street, then you're going to see them just circling, circling and going on other streets and doing the same thing which will cause traffic on the other streets. My.

O

Last question is that you, you indicated that in fact, cabs are easily identified, as distinct from uber cabs, so it reasonable well.

M

I think what are the concerns everybody had was when I spoke was that we're not people might get confused using the street? Using are people who are used using private cars? Well misunderstand that they can go through the King Street as well, but obviously, if you can make it clear that taxi cabs in transit are the only ones and taxi cabs are majority of them are colored the same color they have door numbers roof lights license licenses on the back, which can easily be distinguished from normal, normal private cars. Okay,.

O

Thank you, Thank You councillor.

M

C

You councillor to Giorgio I had no other questioners of this councillor. Palacio Thank.

K

You mr. Thank You mr. mayor I'm good to have you here. Thank you for coming, don't think you can, sir, we can talk so the recommendations that took have block by block and tax be allowed in street. It won't work for the industry and what you're looking is for East and with accessibility all throughout that's. What you're asking for.

M

We're asking for a complete to be exactly counselor are.

K

You asking for the industry to be exempted and to be allowed asking Street. That's what in addition.

M

To us, yes, council is exactly what we're asking for now.

K

One thing within their presentation from city staff they're recommending that the taxi be captioning and for the libraries be allowed along King Street. Is that sufficient for you? If not, why not? Well how.

M

We need for the majority of the main reason I'm here is because we we're going to be treated exactly as every other car in this in this pilot project. It's not going to be any different from my mom driving her car downtown and having the same access. The taxis have our issue.

M

Is that we're part of transit, and especially not since in the last few years, there's been significant hardships and one of the advantages as I said in my speech here, is that flagging is one of the one of the most integral parts of our industry and adding an additional step for consumers, meaning okay, you, if you want to go, you have to go to a designated spot to pick up your cap. We lose that edge. We lose that advantage.

M

We lose that one thing that we still have, that is over PTC vehicles in our inner city, and is that and that's for people to get out of their buildings, get out of there or condos or whatnot, and just to be able to jump out and see what the Japs see one of the caps flying down the street and jumping in or in them, without having to go into any designated location. You.

K

Did mentioned that you want to have the simplicity, flexibility like the transit system to people to move people around. Yes, is now, if you don't get that in terms of financial viability for the induce, would that be an issue I.

M

Think it would be a significant issue because, as I said, that was our one step up on another on another transportation companies is that flagging would be lost if we don't have this this day is a.

K

60-Mile, a situation you're the admission that you watch, those concerns to city staff and, on behalf of the industry, did you get any further meaningful discussions with them in terms of moving forward with the recommendation that you're putting forward well.

M

When I first met with the staff, they give a great briefing to us and I greatly appreciated that from them, but I knew the report was already written. So I knew that this committee was the only place that we can come to get something changed because I think it was too late at that point to uh you know, have anything changed in the report for sure thanks um Thank.

C

You mr. mayor thanks very much councillor, Platzer, oh I, think that's the end of the questions for you, mr. Murray, and thank you very much for your deputation appreciate you, mr. mayor, thank you now I believe miss Vijay Kumar has arrived from the Pembina Institute, and so we'll call you up for your reputation and we did change the time. Normally it's five minutes. We changed it to three today. We just have so many people trying to be heard on this and many other items. So hopefully it can abridge your comments and we'll have some questions.

C

If there's some things that don't come out. Thank you very much for coming right.

P

Thank You mr. mayor and committee members for the opportunity to provide some comments today on behalf of the Pema Institute, we're a national nonprofit think tank that promotes clean energy solutions. We've been working for close to a decade in Ontario to promote a cleaner transportation sector, including through transit expansion, we'd like to submit two main points for your consideration. The first is to offer strong support for transit prioritization along King Street as a means to improve congestion and mobility for all road users.

P

The second is to support the use of a pilot project to test ideas and collect data on project performance. On the ground, we published a series of blogs in an op-ed in the Toronto Star, in support of a king street pilot at the launch of the Kings visioning study in June 2016 for anyone who's traveled on King Street. During rush hour. It's clear that the current flow isn't working.

P

65,000 people ride transit along King Street. During an average weekday compared to 20,000 cars. We need to think about how we can design King Street to remove most people current travel times along the length of King Street can range from 25 minutes to an hour and a half depending on time of day and traffic. Limiting car traffic on King Street should make travel times by street car more reliable, thereby making transit a more attractive option for people who use who travel on King Street every day.

P

Our second main point: we need to support pilot projects in the city to assess and modify projects in an op-ed in the Toronto Star in May 2016. We outlined a few rolls of pilot projects to being. Pilots are sometimes necessary for large infrastructure projects, to collect data, monitor and evaluate performance and make adjustments even with the best traffic models and simulations. We cannot know for sure how planning idea will work until we test it on the ground. Pilot projects are a great way to make adjustments on the ground and can be easily modified.

P

The public businesses and decision-makers can have very different views of a project in theory versus when it's actually on a street. A pilot project provides the opportunity to collect feedback from the public and tweak and finesse the project. There are bound to be questions about how businesses neighboring streets and residents will be affected by transit prioritization on King. We can only collect the appropriate data to answer these questions by implementing the pilot communications will be key to help people adjust to the changes on King Street.

P

There will be an adjustment period as people change, their routes or schedules to accommodate the new design of King Street, but information and city support to road users will help make this transition smooth. While there's no one-size-fits-all approach, we can learn from cities across North America, who have successfully implemented transit priority corridors that have reduced travel time, have had minimal, impacts drivers and have improved the travel experience of transit users.

P

San Francisco is one example that had introduced transit, priority lanes to certain Stuttgart routes and they have seen reduced travel times, prease reliability and no significant changes to traffic on parallel streets. I've.

C

To ask you to conclude now, if you would okay.

P

C

I just have one thing now:.

P

Is the time to rethink the role of King, Street and our transit network and how it can better serve its diverse neighborhoods and sixty-five thousand daily transit commuters thanks for taking strong steps in this direction, thanks.

C

Very much other questions of the definite all right, seeing none that I will. Thank you very much for being with us today and appreciate that very much Christine Hubbard operations manager, Beck taxi.

C

Warning was hovering morning.

Q

Thanks so much for letting me speak, I know that Sam was here and probably has given you quite a bit of information about the taxis, but I do think we do come from a little bit, maybe more detail more data as far as traffic flow and how taxis move in and around our city, I think I did send a letter to all of you and I'm hoping that you may have got a chance to read it. I know it was quite late, but I do I do think we.

Q

We can't look at this, just as a King, Street issue, I think very much like other options. When it comes to traffic flow changes. We have to look at how it's going to affect everyone in neighboring streets all around the area and I think you know, based on the numbers we're hearing, King Street has become a huge three-way, but also it is our new entertainment district. So I do you know I think it's important for us to keep that in mind.

Q

I think when it comes to taxis in general, I know with BEC just between the hours 8, 8 and 9 a.m. along King Street. We have we're dispatching more than 50 trips just within the hour within that corridor, and that's that I would suggest is probably only a fraction of the trips that we're providing. This is one company that the flagged fares as Sam mentioned, are the ones that really are taking over a king they're, the ones.

Q

This is the business that taxi drivers are getting and I think I think if every taxi that enters King Street is forced to turn right at every block. I think we're going to see those cars. Circling and I know that every time one of them enters King Street they're going to be crossing a bike, lane they're going to be crossing a pedestrian Thruway and every time they go on and every time they go off, that's going to continue to happen over and over and as some others have mentioned.

Q

If there are two taxi spots per block again, as Sam said, you know, 5500 taxis, they're, certainly not all on King Street, but they're going to be circling those blocks over and over and over again waiting for their chance to stop. As as councillor care, Janice mentioned about wheel trends, for example, Beck is TTC's largest contractor for sedan services for wheel trends. We also operate 140, wheelchair accessible vehicles. I think that these are considerations that need to be really thought about when it comes to offering taxis.

Q

An exemption for through Ray I do think we are part of the public transit system. I've always said that whenever the subway or streetcar or whatever goes down, we are, you know getting the troops together to head down and help move people, and this is what we've been doing for 50 years this year. Actually with 10 million dispatch trips just last year, that doesn't include those flagged fares like, as Sam said, could be now, potentially the the backbone of business for our drivers in the city.

Q

I think that there are some concerns about the even the right turns when it comes to the two spots that there may be before. That turn happens. If there are four cars waiting to make that turn, two of them are going to be in the streetcar Lane. This isn't removing cars from King Street. It's just actually making it more difficult for those those cars to move around by taking out a lane altogether, but I mean I. I was only found.

C

Out about the meetings.

Q

C

To ask you to wrap up okay.

Q

Well, I found out about the meetings. I know there was question about consultation, I did meet with staff on Tuesday Jacqueline and her staff I know have worked very hard on this, but I was not aware of public meetings and I had not been invited. I see head shaking, but I'm not sure why but I didn't know, I met with them on Tuesday expressed my concerns and I'm here now to answer any question.

C

Thank you very much. Are there any questions of counselor Cara, Jana's, first Thank.

N

You mr. Byrd I believe you are the largest taxi cab company in Toronto, yeah.

Q

Beck is dispatching to the largest fleet of taxis in Canada right now, so.

N

You would assume that your company would have been one of the first to be contacted.

Q

We've been very well, you know the communication has always been quite open. As far as you know, the the tolling for a gardener and Don Valley, for example, those consultations started earlier. I believe and I was directly invited. So I do think there has been an expectation of rapport developed that we would be invited when something that matters.

N

You should have been invited in January and February March I would.

Q

Have hope so and I would say that too you know I I think there may have been some some emails missed, maybe when they were sending their invitation.

N

Surprised would you be if I were to tell you that I asked staff, were they invited and didn't know the name, and this is only about three weeks ago, when they're in my office, it's.

Q

Unfortunate I, it is unfortunate, but I don't I, yes, I was not invited, but I had been invited personally, she'd.

N

Be surprised that I'm telling you publicly I asked that from my office about three to four weeks ago who they have invited and they didn't know the name and after that question they proceeded to contact Sam. Would you be surprised at that? I.

Q

Would be slightly disappointed, Thank.

C

You counselor become deputy America very.

B

Much and I, you know, I, don't think we want to harass you about this. This is, after all, just a pilot, um but I do think that there was an opportunity and I had many cab driver who spoke to me about the public meetings and the public meetings were given by newspaper by television by and by brochure, so I am stunned and that none of you were able what happened. I.

Q

I watch TV and I read the newspaper. I didn't see those public meetings, but I would suggest again. There is a and I'm, not sure who those who those taxi drivers are your constituents, I presume, which is fantastic, that they feel like they can talk to you about that. But the rapport I understand husband has been created and the hope is that there are that our input matters, and that has stakeholders and not just members of the public.

Q

We might be able to have a direct line to those meetings to offer our what I think is valuable information and no I was not I was not invited but have been invited to many other ongoing parallel meetings that are going on about right, traffic and congestion areas. Are you aware that at those public.

B

Meetings which were enormous ly like five six hundred people right. Are you aware that that's where they actually designed the pieces? That would have been very helpful so.

Q

I, don't we had known I'm sorry to interrupt I, I, guess I, don't understand how it would help for stakeholders to attend a public meeting when the perspectives will be completely different of.

B

Course they were different from all over the city. That's the whole point, but the second piece is that we recognized that there was a stake, an advisory capacity that you had a little more knowledge about, including what would have been useful in those.

Q

Designing of those I just think they have to work in conjunction the stakeholder meetings. Skeet aside, the private like to fish, my question.

B

And that you were invited to those over the last year, councilor, Cressey and I could attest to that, because we were on the committee and organ helping to organize it as I think was council related and you are on that advisory. A shout out, so that's I think what you're? Why you're hearing some piece? You are not remembering that.

Q

You were involves not at all anything. Oh no I, remember perfectly actually I I remember that I was not invited.

Q

I, remember that so I I think again should check your emails. I, don't know I, don't.

R

Q

Email recovery is quite I, know, I'm, stunned, so I there's.

B

A misunderstanding somewhere and it's kind I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just surprised! That's all perfect! That's why you're hearing this yeah.

C

Thank you uh very much deputy rhymer, Connell I. Don't get anybody else from not on the committee that would move us to counselor, pastor Knight was it to the past tracker Pulaski I, both but because I think past. Mr. Pasternack was down the list yeah right.

D

Thank You mr. mayor um on the on the report. I guess you've seen this this document here. The last bullet point is designated space for short-term loading deliveries and taxis. Is it your view that that's inadequate? Yes,.

Q

That's imeem again with a limited amount of time that we've been given to really understand what the project includes. I would suggest that, yes, it's not enough space. We see, and there are people here in the room who represent different, whether it's delivery services or companies that are making deliveries on their own behalf, I think that you'd find that taxis will be circling and and because people are actually trying to access them.

Q

My fear is that people will start walking out into that bike lane or into that streetcar lane to get to them so that they don't make that turn prior to the individual being able to get in our board. I've.

D

Just given a draft motion to the clerk for exemptions of taxis is that the kind of policy you're looking for.

Q

Absolutely I would suggest again, I mean I. Have many many concerns about that. You know and Sam mentioned to the Thursday Friday Saturday nights when people are trying to access what very much is public transit when the public transit system goes down. It is taxis, commercial vehicles that are part of the public transit system that are there to move people, and that's that's our business. Thank.

D

C

Thank you, councillor Pasternak, head counselor, shiner,.

E

I'm over here, hi.

Q

E

Miss Hubbard's: what have you been invited to in the past? I have.

Q

Been invited too, of course it was the taxi and ground transportation review. I was invited personally to the tolling of the garden valley, consultations for stakeholders, I mean I, probably can't go down the entire list of things I've been invited to, but I would suggest that there has been a history of communication, and so the expectation may be at the fault of my own, but the expectation there is that we have been doing that historically. So.

E

In this regard, what you're saying is you yourself from Ann Beck taxi, didn't receive direct invitations to come and discuss the proposals that are here, as has been the pattern in the past? That's.

Q

What I'm, saying and.

E

You have some concerns with the design for the lay-bys and the way that it works. Some.

Q

Concerns about that yeah and as a person to I mean I guess I do get to suggest the fact that I live in this city and I move around the city and I use, transit and I walk and I take taxis and I drive. The taxi issue is not the only concern I have but I think with my three minutes. It was best for me to stick to that. Oh.

E

E

So your can now the previous. Well, let me just ask the other question, though this has been ongoing for a while in a public issue. So if it's been ongoing for a long time in a public issue, and you yourself have been very active in public issues, why didn't you make an inquiry as to how you can be involved? I was.

Q

Not familiar with meetings taking place on this issue and I would say that as a an employee of a company that works from border to border in this city, trafficking, congestion in general has been a very public issue and one that I have been involved in and tried to do my best to participate as much as possible. We do have a business to run. I do think that I have to prioritize as.

E

We participate.

Q

In but traffic and congestion in general- and this is one piece so.

E

The the concern that was expressed by a previous speaker is complete bad on taxis. At any time, do you think, have we possible to sit down with city staff and look if there were ways during the pilot project where taxis could be permitted at different hours or at different times to see what the impact might be if taxis were or weren't permitted throughout this period, so might be during the full day might be evenings and weekends only or other times?

E

But you think you could work with them to come back with some suggestions as to through a pilot project, which is what this is, how you could come back and make some recommendations to when and where I think.

Q

A pilot project are discussing how a pilot project like that might work is always an option, but I think in the meantime, the idea that we would require taxis to follow what the current prescription is could be a problem. So I would suggest that at first just to ensure that people are able to access the transportation, they are used to be able being able to access on that street.

Q

Many people who are seniors many members of the disabled community, whether it's wheel, trans or not, these are people who need to be able to access, transit and streetcars may not be the best option for them. So, yes to answer your question, I'm happy to talk about that, but I would suggest that it would be after we take care of the immediate problem, which is the idea that these would not be permitted to go through King. All.

C

Right, Thank, You counsel, shiner may I just ask members of counsel who are questioning I, don't think we need to go any further on having the sort of back and forth with respect to adequate notice or inadequate notice. I think that point has been made I think I'll say in fairness to the biggest company in the industry. They probably deserve more than just to watch it on the news, but I would also say to you with respect as ever, and it was very widely covered on the news. This was going forward. I.

Q

C

We both know we can do a little better and we can move forward from that. So if people have other points to make I'll move next to councillor Palacio Thank.

K

You mr. mayor, through you, Christine good, to have you here thank.

Q

K

Have just one question is in in this question is, in relation to the previous question, satisfying cancer Pasternak, a castle shining in the taxi industry being one of the key stakeholders right.

Q

K

Now I understand that there is going to be a recommendation, moved there hasma by my colleague here, to extend the taxi industry, but in terms of having that meaningful discussion with the industry with n-series tan, would you how do you feel that, maybe, between now and the upcoming City Council meeting, there is some sort of meaningful discussions between the with others and city staff to bring something new to the table? We've.

Q

Always only hoped for meaningful discussion between our industry in the city, so absolutely we're always looking to do that. What works best for the city is what works best for us, so I would suggest that, yes, we would be happy to do that. Fantastic.

K

Thank you. No further questions. Miss me thanks.

C

Counselor flat co-counselor to Georgia.

O

Thank You mr. mayor I suffered one of the one of the things that we're trying to quantify here is to try and get a rough idea of the number of cabs. Given that it's a two-way flow, the number of cabs that would actually go up be going through, let's say per minute per hour, and if we assume for the moment that say at most, 10% of the calves of the total calves operating in the city are actually traveling on King Street right.

Q

I'd say is.

O

That a reasonable yeah.

Q

I think that's reasonable. Okay,.

O

So my calculation says 10% we're looking at a cab going through every five minutes. If it's a constant flow over a 24-hour period, one cab one way, one cab, the other way.

Q

O

Q

Probably during peak times, they're bigger.

O

Q

Then less busy times there are less so yeah right on average.

O

Two cabs going through, let's say at peak times in one direction that we're being asked to accommodate right. That's essentially what we're really looking at and.

Q

I, don't think that would change I, don't think that would change they're not going to be more taxis on King Street, because they're allowed to be there. The fact is that with other vehicles, traveling on the alternate routes taxi drivers, may you know if the traffic increases just like anyone else? If the traffic increases too much, they may not find themselves down there right.

O

So a real question or issue is examining the trade-off between implementing a pilot project that allows cabs to sort of go around the block versus allowing two cabs to go through as streetcars mm-hmm in either direction. Every five minutes I think.

Q

It would be difficult because what we're trying to do and I can only speak for Beck in this matter. We want to make sure that drivers, time and vehicles are being used as efficiently as possible. So the idea that we might have some and I don't know if this is what you're proposing that only some of the taxi fleet would be allowed to travel. Is that what you mean? No, what.

O

I'm, saying is the real decision before me is whether I look at a scenario where two cabs go through are allowed to go through every five minutes in either direction versus restricting cabs to doing circular movements I.

Q

Think that would be a really difficult thing to enforce or regulate I'm, not sure how that would happen, but I don't know.

O

But giving relief to cabs to go through like streetcars effectively gives allows to every five minutes to go through. That's he.

Q

O

Essentially, a rascal boy, yeah.

Q

O

Q

For 5500 taxis to be parked on King Street, that's.

O

Right: okay, thanks.

C

Thank You council, a to Giorgio. Are there any other members of the committee wishing to ask questions of this decadent all right? If not. Thank you very much, miss Howard for being here with us today.

C

Next is Ellen Lucie Public, Affairs Canada ups.

C

Good morning, miss Lizzie good.

R

Morning, thank.

C

You for coming, you have three minutes. Thank.

R

You very much a good morning. Everyone, my name, is Eileen Lucci I'm, the vice president of public affairs for UPS Canada, based here in Toronto, as you might be aware, we're a global logistics service provider employing over 12,000 people here in Canada and serving more than 220 countries and territories worldwide over the next few minutes, I want to share a little bit of context on our operations in Toronto in and around King Street, as well as our position on the pilot and recommendations for next steps.

R

There are currently more than 400 UPS employees servicing Toronto specifically, and we have a fleet of almost 200 packaged cars serving the city. So far this year we've delivered over 25 thousand packages to citizens, local businesses, larger large headquarters around the city, eat online shoppers you know really bringing the world to Toronto's fingertips on King Street. Specifically, we serve many of the businesses and consumers stationed along King Street.

R

Our own packaged cars will typically deliver and pick up over 100 150 packages each day on King Street on the pilot itself, we're very supportive of pilot projects which really look to enhance pedestrian and commuter safety, reduce congestion, of course, and really ensure that the streets of Toronto are well equipped to serve the evolving needs of both individuals and businesses.

R

Our ultimate aim, UPS Canada, is really to be able to continue to support the local economy and businesses on King Street and to serve local residents wishing to receive deliveries or have them picked up each day. So, with that in mind, we were very pleased to be able to contribute to consultation processes, the public meetings which I, attended and really benefited a lot.

R

I would say from engaging with with local local members of the community to really learn about how we can work together to achieve a solution that will work for all on the proposal, specifically as a company. We of course deal with challenges that relate to on street parking each and every day. So the inclusion of designated space for short term loading and deliveries is really crucial.

R

From our perspective, our routes are planned and our drivers are trained to try to ensure maximum efficiency and try to reduce the amount we contribute to congestion in urban centers such as such as Toronto. We use training methods and rules of procedure also to try to enable our drivers to reduce congestion and move efficiently around the city and reduce idle time as well.

R

So we very much welcome the fact that the proposed pilot includes designated spaces for short-term loading and for deliveries, because we think this will ensure that residents and commercial activity can continue to be effectively served by companies such as our own. I would highlight that, in order to ensure the success of this pilot in the longer term, it will be very important to ensure effective enforcement with those designated parking spots.

R

That's an issue we faced elsewhere in the city, so we'd certainly encourage effective enforcement and looking ahead, we'd also encourage solutions that would avoid the introduction of any kind of new localized permits, which we believe would add unnecessary administrative burden to city logistics. I can meet.

C

You I'll have to I'll have to ask you to wrap up there, because it's three minutes sure.

R

A short point on the prohibition-era.

C

R

We're quite well unknown across North America, for encouraging drivers to avoid that and in our experience, its reduced reduced accidents and it's also increased efficiency, so we'd be happy to contribute further. If that's of interest and just I would like to thank thank mayor Tory and thank the local councillors, the City Planning Division transportation services and the TTC for this inclusive, inclusive approach to Road demand management. Thank you very much. Thank.

C

You miss Lucia questions of the step unit. Did you have a question council Crecy yeah? Please.

I

Thank you for being here so so, if I understand correctly UPS as a member of the courier logistics industry, it's broadly speaking, supportive of the recommendations would that be correct? Yes,.

R

That is correct and.

I

So in arriving at that conclusion, the courier logistics industry was a participant in the Advisory Committee, which meant three times over the last year. Is that correct, David, Turnbull I understand? Was your representative? There David.

R

Turnbull I believe may have may have participated personally, as a representative of UPS Canada I participated in the public meetings. Okay,.

I

So so UPS, which represent represented writ large through the courier logistics industry on the Advisory Committee and you on behalf of ups, attended the public meetings. I would.

R

Need to verify for the couriers of the ççla I think to verify exactly which parts they participated and I can speak for UPS counter. Okay,.

I

And your supportive we're.

R

Supportive, given that the needs of a broad range of actors within the community have been taken into account- and it is indeed a pilot- so we're happy to try out new things. We appreciate that congestion and pedestrian safety is an issue. Thank.

I

C

Thank You councillor Cressy any other other questions of this deaf it in all right, if not Miss Lucy will. Thank you very much for being here today. Thank.

R

C

That uh Hamish Wilson is next.

S

Good morning, thanks for your time, I'm certainly pleased that we're trying to think differently about all of this I know. There's been an awful lot of work. That's gone into thinking about how to tweak this, and do this by staff a lot of listening, a lot of consultation and and yet I'm kind of sorry, in that it's really inadequate. Much much more is needed to be done here, it's kind of like putting a band-aid or a splint on a broken arm.

S

Yes, it's progress or would be progress, but what's really neat is something really needed is something far more robust, a better transit option from the the High Park area, the base of High Park area into into the core in terms of how good it might be. This is from a 1993 West waterfront LRT EA. They evaluated King Street, it's circled in the orange and a few other option like Queen, Street and Front Street and other things. King Street didn't actually fare all that. Well, relatively speaking.

S

Yes, it's something, but we really really need to do something more robust. That offers more more options for people faster, better transit we've had a long history of east-west transit ideas. This is from 1950 49 or so the Queen Street subway was a voter approved by voters. We need something, something done doesn't have to be: a subway doesn't have to be on Queen Street. It could be a King Street subway. There was a proposal by the environmentalist plan transport in ninth 2002 I guess it was I wrestled with us.

S

Oh yeah, there we are alternative from 2000 or to dig that up. Look at it. Please I wrestled with this a lot against when I was thinking of options to the front Street roadway how to do transit instead, please, let's do transit. The more most important thing, I think and the best thing that I think we could do is something that actually speeds up. Even a one-way transit way that that takes some of the ronsis fails and some of the the Queensway cars get them ah on.

S

King Street starts anew even reversible, reversible transit way that comes down to Dufferin comes along too strong and I said. There's one nice thing with a rail deck Park: we might actually be able to build transit over the rail deck Park consider or the rail deck instead of actually doing Park, but a reversible transit way. That's set up for buses and streetcars it's a bigger project, but we need to spend the money here in the city. We cannot continue to go and spend billions in subways in sprawl.

S

This is one of the casualties of going overboard in spending in Scarborough. I'm afraid is that where we really need transit in the center of the city, bringing transit into the center of the city, effective transit that was actually modeled out this front street route route right away was modeled out in 1993 I. Guess it's faster! That's what we need. Yes, let's do a little bit of a pilot here, but where's the plan to actually do something robust, it's lacking and that's missing. I'm, sorry, Thank.

C

You mr. Wilson, it's right on time there and got a question from councillor Giorgio. Anybody outside the committee want to ask okay councillor George over to you yeah.

O

Just uh just to clarify, what's really before us today, what's before us is a pilot project to permit some relief for streetcars to go both through both ways and what what has been brought to our attention is that there are 20,000 cars that travel along King, Street and they're going to be restricted, somehow they're not going to be allowed to flow through.

O

But you think that's a good thing to do. I mean in terms of improving transit. It.

S

May well have some benefit, but the trouble is, if you haven't really, you know improved the transit elsewhere and the trouble is lead, but.

O

The brink economics into the question, the question is: there are much more expensive projects. We can do. I agree we some of the stuff you threw up on the screen. There are many things we can do, but that's not the point. The point that's before us is given the financing that's available.

O

We are putting forward this proposal and the question for me anyway is: we are restricting the flow of twenty twenty thousand cars and we're wondering whether we should impose that same restriction on cabs, because cabs make up maybe 2/3 percent of that twenty thousand vehicles and whether it's reasonable to impose the same restriction on cabs. That's what I see us being before us now. Do you believe that cab should get relief and be treated like streetcars.

S

Thank you for the question and the thought and the concern I'm wrestling with this myself, because, as a cyclist, often I go I, don't like those cabbies right.

O

S

You know it's dangerous, sometimes we don't always interact. Well, you tend to know that they're coming and behind you or in front of you, you can tend to see them. You can sometimes hear them both by hick Euler noses and how the vehicles are operated, and yet that said, I almost prefer the cab drivers to the uber drivers and the cab drivers, at least in theory, there's a bit of a licensing and a and a pushback process and I can see that there are absolutely valid concerns because King Street is like these.

S

It's narrow in the core, like these images up here on the street sir, it's only a four lane road dominated by streetcar tracks and there's an awful lot of destination there. Yes, the flagging is got to be an important part of their business, so I do have empathy. Doesn't.

O

Mean the cyclists perspective from the cyclists perspective? Is it a better option to allow the cabs to just flow through versus continuous right turns that have to be made by cat again, impeding or perhaps endangering cyclists moreso than allowing cabs to go through final question? It.

S

Might be a marginal improvement in change and and yet it might be a little bit better and certainly within the point of view of bikes in London, they found that providing a bike way actually relieved their transit by 10% up to 10%. So that's an option that we haven't really considered going long out the park tail, sir, which is not easy as well, but it could be cheaper. Okay,.

C

S

You councillor.

C

George, oh, thank you both very much so that would bring us to the end of history. Hey mr. Wilson's presentation and call up Janice Solomon, Toronto entertainment district to BIA.

C

Welcome, miss oven, as always.

P

Good morning and thank you, um I'm gonna start with a comment: that's in stark contrast to a couple of earlier deputations, and that is I want to thank staff for their willingness to hold stakeholder meetings with our members along King, Street and additionally participate in meetings with individual stakeholders and I want to speak specifically to Mirvish productions.

P

I also want to thank deputy mayor minam for his comments in in the Toronto Star on June 15th, regarding the need for clear measurements to be put in place at the start, and I was pleased to hear, at least at the presentation earlier, that staff are definitely looking to do that.

P

Of course, one measurement of success is the improved streetcar service, but we know that there has to be other gauges of economic impacts, both good and bad, that we all need to be involved with know up front and then monitor accordingly, I'm commenting today on Mirvish productions because of their unique complexities.

P

They have two theaters on King Street, Princess of Wales and royal Alexandra. Many of the patrons arrived to theater by car many require direct access to the theater doors which are off of King Street many attend the Wednesday matinees by coach and also require direct access, leaving the coaches to be queued up at rush hour when Wednesday matinee completes many of many use. King Street is a route to the theaters and for access to the parking garage below the Princess of Wales.

P

It takes time for behavior to change, but in the case of Mirvish patrons we must recognize, there's a strong percentage of them who will only drive by car as a matter of fact, they will choose not to come downtown if it appears to be too complicated. Following the public meeting that was held on may 18th, the media reported on the preferred pilot design.

P

Mirvish immediately received their first letter from a patron indicating they will no longer subscribe to Mirvish as it's too complicated to come downtown we're just not going to bother the city agreed that there needs to be a strong positive push around is a message around the ease of access, but at this point in time that effective messaging needs to come out now, I'm requesting that the city provide us with a clear understanding of the measurements that are going to be used around the economic activity in advance.

P

The pilot work with us during the pilot work with Mirvish and continue to modify the plans as they have been and there's such an important stakeholder there's such an important role out of activity, economic activity that happens with the theater patrons with diners in the neighborhood. So we really want to make sure that the messaging and the economic measurements are in place. Thank you.

C

Thanks very much for Sullivan are there questions of the deputy at starting with councillor Crecy.

I

Thank you for being here. Janice, always a pleasure, um so I just wanted to follow up on the economic impact study, so conducting economic impact studies as part of transit. Pilots is relatively new for the city and it's something that I think needs to be done in close collaboration with the BIA and your members, and so this economic impact study is this something that the BIA and your members are willing to be a part of, in fact, keen to be a part of.

P

Absolutely absolutely mirage has already started to provide a lot of their key measurements that I am hoping can be incorporated into this, and.

I

Would it surprise you to hear that in the past we have traditionally the city not done economic impact studies as part of these projects? No.

P

It would not surprise me.

I

And is it fair to say so, I understand the BIA is in fact keen to be a partner in the economic impact study. Is it fair to say that the BIA some members are very keen on a transit post approach to Qing and some are not so keen? Would it be fair to say that there are differences of opinion I.

P

I believe there's differences of opinion, but I think really when it comes down to sort of the measurements yeah.

I

P

We can see I understand the pilot is going to have a level of flexibility where maybe there's opportunity to tweak things as you go along and I think this is really. What we need to be observing here is that I think everyone knows. Transit has to move and be more efficient. No one will deny that, but we want to make sure that the economic measurements are in place so that we can be monitoring everything and.

I

So if I could then just build on that, you talked about flexibility. The proposal here to do a pilot whereby we can make changes. Just delivery zones do tweaks and real-time I'm, as opposed to spending multiple years and millions of dollars to design something that we can't change after the fact you're bi. Would you much prefer the former absolutely.

P

I

Thank you very much.

C

Thanks accounts across e other questions of this deputy from accounts are shiner.

E

I'm just is there a could major concern from the businesses along the corridor as to the impact that this is gonna have on them.

P

A lot of the businesses in my portion of this corridor happen to be storefront hospitality. If we look at the overall commercial businesses, a lot of people are commuting by transit. So obviously this is a good thing to get your employees to work on time. As far as the the trepidation around this, it does lie in the notion that, because we are an entertainment district with all sorts of cultural activities and Mirvish being a key one, that happens to be on King Street.

P

That impacts a lot of the the storefront hospitality when Mirvish is open and doing well, the neighborhood does well when Mirvish goes dark. The neighborhood hospitality suffers.

E

So you're asking for study to be done. Have you participated to this point in time? Yes,.

P

E

The recommendations that you are looking for that aren't here.

P

The recommendations from our end I um have been submitted and I certainly believe. Staff have taken them to heart, I think what we're really looking for now is: how do we, how do you regroup with us and show us what those measurements look like as you go forward and roll out? The pilot are.

E

You looking for specific opportunities during the pilot to allow sorry I'm, echoing and trying not to it's, not you I'm, looking because I see it as a 24-hour seven-day-a-week pilot and I, don't know if at 12 o'clock at night on a Saturday, the impact is as great on public transit. Maybe during the rush hours on a weekday you.

P

Haven't been to my neighborhood at midnight on a Saturday, then actually.

E

I probably start going home around midnight in your neighborhood so Sunday afternoon, but ball.

P

E

What are they, what would you like to see? Looked at as well and I have 45 seconds to again.

P

I think are the kinds of things we want to have looked at are already submitted to staff we're waiting for that to come back so that we can, but.

E

I want to know what they are I'm here so.

P

So, for example,.

E

30 seconds left I'm.

P

Going to flip back to Mirvish for a second, so they anticipate a million patrons over 20 18. 46 percent of them drive their cart the theater. Let's use that as one level of measurement to see what does what does the pilot? How does the pilot? How did the patrons react to the pilot I? Think that's a really important measurement?

P

Does it does it change behavior? Does it pull back that people are canceling subscriptions I? Think that's just one example. Thank.

C

You Thank You councillor shiner and any other questions to miss. Ullman I should point out by the way he misspoke himself act by midnight on Saturday he's been at home in bed for two hours.

E

Subnet Meritor after a cup of warm milk Anna put.

E

Mine up I, don't resist your village. I will call you the next time I'm out in setting I, can ask you to join me at 1:00 in the morning. I want to see who's in.

C

Bed having the warm glass of man, I won't sit by the phone. Okay, miss Alma I. Think we're done! Thank you so much for coming with us this morning. That brings us to the end of the deputations, and so now we can revert to questions of staff. So if we could ask our staff group to come back, who were here, oh and others can be brought in as needed, and I saw councillor crises hands who who from not a councillor, Layton and I, saw that councillor Campbell.

C

It is indeed and councillor Fletcher, okay, well, there's a good start and what happened to the staff are they're gonna stay in their spots? That's fine, no problem all right, so that would start off with councillor cressie. Then Thank.

I

You mr. mayor I'm gonna bring some questions up to a broader level. Is it fair to say that King Street is not working today and I'll direct that to the GM of transportation services through.

J

You it's fair to say, based on our research and trying to develop a pilot that we found that King Street didn't work particularly well for transit. It didn't work for vehicles and so I would agree.

I

So today, King Street doesn't work for anybody. That's.

J

Our premise so.

I

If we do, nothing is your belief that it will get worse through.

J

You it is my belief that we have an opportunity to make transit work more effectively and reliably on King Street that it's going to take a full court press to do that that we have the we have the partnership with the TTC and with planning and and so I think this is the opportunity for us to make a bigger move. So, yes, I think the pilot will will move us in that direction. Okay,.

I

And today the mode shift: can you just break down what the mode shift is today on King Street should give me a sense of the numbers.

I

Perhaps perhaps, while you're getting those num numbers, I'll direct some questions to the chief planner, what is to our chief planner? What is the proposed expected? Excuse me: population increase both in downtown and in the GTA over the next 25 years.

L

Through the through the chair, the population overall in the city of Toronto is expected over the next 25 years to increase by 18.8%, which is in addition of approximately five hundred and thirty nine thousand five hundred ninety new residents into the city. A vast majority of that growth will be accommodated in the downtown core, which is growing four times faster than the rest of the city.

L

The population in the downtown is estimated to increase from the current 230,000 people to approximately four hundred and seventy five thousand people over that time period for the proposed growth that we see today is.

I

It true that one-third of all the jobs in the entire city of Toronto are currently located downtown.

L

Through the chair, that's correct, approximately half a million jobs are located in downtown Toronto in a very small area and King Street is a key corridor access these jobs and.

I

With 43% of the entire city's non-residential development in downtown, are we expecting the percent, the number of jobs in downtown to increase, and that's the number of people commuting into downtown to also increase through.

L

The chair, it's actually 41 percent of all the jobs are in the downtown core and we are very fortunate that we continue to see exceptional office growth and job growth in the downtown core as well. So as well as that population density, we're expecting to see similar density and new jobs accommodated in the core. So.

I

Back to our GM, a transportation with the population increase the growth and the number of people working and commuting into downtown. Is it fair to say that we are looking to redesign our streets from moving cars to moving people through.

J

You I think it's fair to say that moving people needs to be the ultimate goal. We have a fast-growing city, we have congestion, we have to focus on moving more people to get to their destinations as quickly as they can more reliably and I can also answer the mode share question, which is that I.

I

I'm also the town, so I just have one last question: if that's okay.

C

You actually are at a time but I'll, let just okay, but it quickly very.

I

Quickly to the Toronto Transit Commission can I just ask what success looks like with this pilot, so.

B

Success is pretty simple from our perspective, and that is to move more people more quickly, more reliably. Thank.

C

You Thank You councillor, Cressy I'm. Sorry there was a small clerical error made and mr. Crewe from the tabia was to be listed on this item and his name got listed on some other item, and so, if I can ask, your indulgence will revert to deputations for for three minutes and question time and and and you're always most welcome here and I apologize.

C

We made a bit of a mistake in terms of putting it on the wrong list and we are taking you off that list now, because we have a lot of people lined up list.

G

C

You're on that too, I see. Okay, thank.

G

You go ahead, I've committed for the day here. Thank you for the opportunity. I just wanted to to thank for the opportunity to present a couple of points and I will cut this very short. The two points I want to speak to very quickly or flexibility and M parking flexibility and, and the councillor shiner touched that on that basis, you know, there's no question that we need to do this. We need to do a pilot along King, Street, probably pilots along many other east-west streets in their city.

G

That said, I'm, not convinced that the weekends and after hours or a time when we need this 24/7 365 approach to so a suggestion would be that we take the opportunity of a pilot to test measure and refine and at some point after we've built the baseline of what the results are of this is that we potentially revert back on an evening and a weekend opportunity to see what the ROI on that would be simply being a little flexible is is very important on this thing.

G

Nobody is denying the opportunity to have been consulted, nobody's denying the opportunity of needing this. For the health, economic and social well-being of the city, the second thing is parking, I'd be remiss if I almost felt that it's only a hundred and eighty spaces during the presentation on Main streets across the city, 180 spaces on a turnover of six to seven times, that's well over a thousand customers a day losing those out of the economic formula, especially on weekends, is very important.

G

I've noticed in the report that there's been an accommodation in the budgetary line from the parking authority, I believe, is the way that that was worded where to do the offset, but really has the parking authority been consulted and potentially made any recommendations on some on how some of that parking could be accommodated through private properties or anything else out. There I just saw the accommodations on the financial, which is an important financial item.

G

In the city's budget, the parking authority generates significant revenue, but I haven't seen where their comments are coming from, so not to take any further your worship. Those were the two additional comments of what was already said. Thank.

C

You very much and apologize again for the mess up councillor Carroll. Did you have a question of the deputy I? Do.

A

I just wanted to hear about this moving away from a 24-hour pilot, or would your members not be concerned that if the purpose of this pile is develop economic impact data and drip data transit data to understand how this would work if they were to make permanent alterations on the street ones that could not be taken away in the evening? They won't have that data. If, during the pilot, they're, not Gavin, gathering 24/7 down.

G

Yeah, what I suggested was that the pilot at some point after we've gotten this baseline of data of a 24/7, could potentially revert back to see what the real impact is of that weekend or evening. Accommodation, so I think the ant politics. Are there I'm an analytics geek I do a lot of that stuff with it. So numbers are important to us so to do a truly a robust pilot.

G

I think there needs to be that flexibility, I, think staff is contemplating making and tinkering with adjustments, and here is one that we're suggesting may be an option to look through the lens of after we've established the 24/7 that we make some accommodations and see if we can't and after hours, because the night time economy is still a very important economy through the City of Toronto very important, so not disputing the need to move people etc through the rush hour which this and through significant portions of the day but I'm not convinced and many of our members and and you've heard.

G

Miss Ullman suggest that, and the question was asked there is people on the street that are on either side of this fence right. We're looking for is the robust information that you're suggesting we need for.

A

Part of the pilot and the other for the other program, ok, I understand no. Thank you. Help.

C

Thank You councillor Carol any other questions at the deputy all right. Well, thank you very much for your submissions today and will now revert back to questions of staff from members visiting from City, Council and councillor. Layton is next thank.

A

You very much mr. mayor I, just on on the consultation process. That was that we went through page 13 of the report. I was a part of some of these consultations, but but, more importantly, in developing some of them, so it included a stakeholder group correct through.

J

You that is correct. It.

A

Advised at what stages.

J

The three days you had remember.

L

Stakeholder consultation was on Jan us January 30 of 2017, that was with the stakeholder advisory group that was referenced earlier in the questioning and included over 60 different representative groups of stakeholders can.

A

You go over, who was who was invited to participate in that group anyway,.

L

Through the mayor, it included local BIA, z-- residents, associations, citywide groups such as cycle Toronto. It included some special interest groups in interests such as the ones you heard from earlier earlier. Today, the taxi industry was invited. The freight industry was also invited to participate. It was a very broad swath and the group in fact expanded as we went through the consultations and others were identified, that needed to be included at the table. The intention was to be as comprehensive as possible, so.

A

We've heard that some individuals from the taxi cab groups may have not been invited to that. Are you able to tell us who was invited.

L

Through the mayor, Rita Smith, the executive director of the transit taxi Alliance, sorry, the taxi Alliance was invited to participate in the stakeholder advisory group meetings beginning in January. So.

A

While we didn't invite all of the stakeholder groups in in that particular industry, like we probably didn't, include everyone from the distribution and delivery agencies, we we included a stakeholder association through.

L

The mayor that's correct, given the size of the city, that is approach that we typically take and we leave it to the representatives of those organizations to reach out to their membership and to involve their membership as they see fit. That's.

A

Not something we would have done trying to organize amongst an industry group, that's not something! The city does regularly correct through.

L

The chair, it's not something we typically do just again, given the volume of interests in the city for.

A

Example, you wouldn't go out and try to organize a residents association. You would invite the residents associations leadership to participate through.

L

The mayor that's correct: could.

A

You can you explain to me what the impact would be that this, this notion of allowing taxi cabs to to go straight through intersections, has been, is being kicked around the floor here and I'm. Just wondering what what you think the impact of that might through.

F

The mayor, we believe that this could be a significant impact on the transit priority approach of this pilot project. We anticipate that taxi cabs, based on the data that we have consists of approximately 22 twitter to a third of the traffic on King Street. Today, a quarter.

A

C

Third, that was actually a last question: okay,.

A

So, oh my apologies, I didn't realize we were on shorten time no, but thank you. Thank you.

C

Very much uh council early I know sorry counselor Campbell. Thank.

T

You very much yes, a good trial. Okay! Thank you. Mr. mayor, um you said that you did a deep dive into the data. What percentage of so I'm till I want to ask about parking data? What percentage of parking occurs on the weekends and what percentage of parking occurs on in the evenings.

T

Could you hold my time mr. mayor, where they set that up.

F

Through you, the mayor, we have some information about short-term parking on the in Lots, near King Street, and from that we can see that in the evening it ranges between 8 and 25%, and the nighttime ranges between 13 and 31%. So.

T

I'm thinking about 180 on that not the law, it's something about the hundred eighty spots that are being lost, I'm just wondering do we have to if we, if we don't have it I, can ask for it and get it another time, I'm sure. But do you have data on that? We.

F

Have been working with the TPA to understand the impacts in terms of financial, so there is data on that. We're just trying to get that in front of us. Okay,.

T

Would be good to know the number of parking visits because by my calculation, is something to the tune of around 380 thousand parking visits or part or rentals of parking spots? You know through the 180, given you've got million nine to in revenue question about. Have you at the TTC Commission I asked about advanced right turns because of the heavy pedestrian traffic? Is it possible to implement advance right turns for cars in the pilot to speed things along.

J

Through you, mr. mayor, as we discussed later in the day on the tea after the TTC board, the the changes to signal timing are something that we are going to modify or look at based on how the pilot is working. I think advanced right turns will take time away from the from the north/south movement as well, and so that's the balance. There's that you have to be able to see how the network works is one of the reasons why we picked this location for the pilot. Is that there's a network based approach here over.

I

J

Certainly, the issues of clearing pedestrians out of the intersection and limiting those those impacts are top of mind for us. Okay,.

T

How many signalized intersections are affected there.

F

Are twelve signalized intersections within the pilot area and.

T

In how many of those signalized intersections do we presently have advance left turn signals during the day, I.

F

Don't have that in front of me, but I catch.

T

That that was event. The problem with left-hand turning cars is said to be one of the principal problems encountered by street cars at.

F

Many locations within the pilot area left turns have been banned because it has been a problem and either it right or within time, restricted periods at other locations. Even when they're banned we have illegal left turns that are holding street cars up in.

T

Just one last question: mr. mayor: the the people that use this route, the most are the TTC operators. At any time, did you have consultations with TTC streetcar operators.

B

So we have held a number of discussions with the streetcar operators in the operating divisions, okay, but to understand what the plan that's and that's both through this process, but more primarily we did that when we were looking at some of those tweaks that we undertook a year or two ago. Thank you.

C

Thanks a cancer Campbell counselor pleasure, thank.

B

You I know that we have an economic development lens that we're using here and I, just like to ask both transportation and mr. shake our film Commissioner. How that film has been looked at the film Queen, Street King streets, a pretty popular area for shooting locations and have you heard from the film industry? And how have you taken what they've said into account.

J

Through you, mr. mayor, we have been involved with the film industry. In fact, the stakeholder advisory group was in gay. The film industry was engaged with the stakeholder advisory group and they participated in a number of of those meetings. We understand their top concerns about ensuring that the King Street functions in a way that they have access for when they go get their permit permits to do film shoots that they have access to parking.

J

The permit conditions that would be reviewed in any scenario where they would come in for a film shoot would still be reviewed in the same way to ensure that we could support their activities. There's also some concern that there would be changes in the pilot to the look and feel of storefronts, which is not proposed so.

B

That was is that the sum total of their concerns and you think they can be met within the pilot.

J

I'm sure we we have committed and we'll continue to work with them as we go through detailed design to identify and make sure that their concerns are addressed and that we have a thorough consultation with them. Moving forward and.

B

I'll, just ask our film, commissioner, if there's anything that he wishes to highlight these of a film and this one of the epicenters of location filming, which is, is King Street through the chair, Thank You, councillor Fletcher. It is noted, with our fellow stakeholders at city staff, at transportation and planning and TTC to a lesser.

M

Extent that this corridor is the most.

B

Major corridor for filming for a 2.1 billion dollar industry, as we reported in 2016 and our.

M

Staff and their staff are working diligently together with our film television and digital media board, to address concerns as quickly as possible and mitigate as.

B

M

Impacts as there might be to that income source for the city and jobs. Thank you.

C

Thank you very much. There seems to be a problem with that Clark, but not that one. Let's see what happened when we reset it all right. That brings us to councillor Janice.

N

Thank you through the mayor to staff. You, please repeat the individual, that you contacted for the taxi industry.

L

Rita Smith through.

N

The mayor, are you aware that, should we play back and said that I'm not longer involved with these taxi industry, please contact these following people through.

L

The chair, we do not have that reply. We of course, would have reached out to any additional name that was provided to us. There would have been no reason not to so.

N

It was one person that you put that you reached out to and you didn't reach out to any of the brokers you didn't reach out to any of the fleets you didn't reach out to anybody else. Just one big individual and you didn't reach out to I taxi workers through.

L

The chair, as per our protocol, the structures that we work with the key person who is liaison on behalf of an association as a representative, and it was our understanding that that was Rita Smith. You.

N

Be surprised the Rita Smith is not along a part of the organization. What about a year-plus.

L

Through the mayor that has been brought to my attention today, it was not brought to our attention earlier.

N

Through the mayor to staff, staff had come to see me and I've asked him at that point in time who the individual was that you had concept account consulted with and you didn't have. The name would I be incorrect and they meeting in my office.

J

Through you, mr. mayor, that would be correct at the time that you approached me. I did not have the name of that individual with me, but.

N

Your staff person sitting to the to the right of you to the gentleman you also undertook to provide that name. Correct.

T

Through the chair, yes,.

N

That's correct so at that point in time that you dumped to see me consultation, the taxi industry had not been at the table.

T

Through the chair, so sir counselor, as I've, explained to you subsequently, my understanding was that the taxi industry had been fully represented through the stakeholder advisory group meetings and that a representative had been invited and had attended. Following the meeting with you, you certainly drew it to my attention that the taxi industry hadn't been attending those meetings. So I went away. We checked with staff, sorry and then personally, reached out to both Sam and and Beck taxis to make sure that we could address that miss.

N

Kismet through the mayor said, one representative, you say representatives. Was it one or was multiple.

T

Through the chair, apologies a collection, a representative, okay. So therefore,.

N

I would be correct in establishing that they were not formally invited or attended any of the consultations until after you are asked to touch and be in touch with them would I be in corrected through.

L

The mayor that would be incorrect because Rita Smith, who is still listed as the executive director of the Toronto taxi Alliance today, was invited as the representative on behalf of the industry. Once you drew it to our attention that they had not been participating to Ashley's point, we proceeded to have a separate meeting with a variety of representatives.

L

C

Right then, they would not own that. So that's your time's up and I think that point has been covered and I think we can do better and so we'll we'll move on from there and we have the next councillor Nunziata.

B

Thank you. As far as the financial impact, a million five is that's the cost of the pilot. Can you tell me what what that would consist.

J

Through the mayor, the cost of the pilot, we are using PTF, so it's a 50% match of that city dollars versus piece of dollars and those funding would be used for signage. It would be used for signal improvements, it would be used for some pavement markings and what am I forgetting other operational physical improvements, the planters to delineate the or bollards to delineate the passenger waiting areas at intersections, moving transit shelters. That kind of thing. So that's.

B

That's the total cost, so the signal with that is that permanent or is that just for the pilot is.

F

Willing to use this palette to make improvements to our signals along the King Street corridor that will serve other needs beyond the pilot as well in terms of having more capability of signal phasing and make the improvements as needed in the future.

B

Okay now it also mentions that there's a reduction in revenue for the TPA, which is not included in their budget. So we would have to include that in the 2018 budget for the reduction in revenue through.

F

The mayor, the the amount is indicated to go sorry so.

B

Three or mr. Mary that we've have highlighted that it will be an issue, and it will be something that we'll have to deal with in the 2018 budget. Something.

E

We have to deal with.

B

Yes, that's great. Okay,.

F

um Sorry if I may add it is included within the 2017 budget, that impact was identified. It's I'm.

B

Sure I didn't hear that it's included in the 2017.

F

Budget, the prorated impact of an implementation of this pilot project, the impact of TPA, is included within the 2017 budget. That.

B

Is three hundred and twenty thousand estimated impact for 2017? Because it only occurs for part year and that.

E

Will year impact.

B

Is not that was included in the 2017 budget? The TPA has a general provision annually for lost revenues. It's a small, it's a small amount. It would be enough to cover the three 320 thousand, but it would certainly not be enough to cover the estimated 1.9 million dollars just on the public consultation I'm not going to go into notice, but so the people that attended the public meetings. Can you tell me where the percentage of the people that attended the meeting and supported the pilot.

L

Through the mayor, the percentage of the hard data that we have in the percentage that supported the project comes from our survey because it was a hard number that was collected and 80 percent of the people who responded to the survey responded positively and supported the project. With respect to some of the breakdowns, there was 60 percent support from businesses.

L

Seventy-Four percent from those who work on King is 78 percent for those who live on King, Street and transit riders, 82 percent support of the project overwhelmingly at the public consultations, which were really a work in process, they were structured very much as designed charettes. The response was very positive. All.

C

Right, thank you. Councillor tiara and do I. Have anybody else from visiting from Council other way, Oh councillor havoc right, sorry did I miss you somewhere on the way comply there I apologize because you were after councillor, Karajan go ahead. Please.

B

It hello I, want to focus a little bit on the the idea that we would allow taxis to go along that that Lane. So if I remember you're right, you said staff indicated that it would be something like 20 percent of current users of King Street are cabbies through.

F

The mayor, we have further detail to look into this, but we anticipate it's actually a quarter to a third of the traffic or taxis and.

B

If they had, would it be fair to assume that if they had exclusive use that that number could actually increase fairly dramatically, could it not if you had a quick ride through King Street? Excuse me Frank councillor in ceará counselor Indiana. Thank you. Would it not be fair to assume that if you had exclusive use as a cabbie, you wouldn't go to a delay to Richmond? You would just go straight through King, so what one could anticipate an increased use there you're.

F

The mayor, yes I, would anticipate that if it's a choice route where cabbies are allowed, then they would choose that route in an increased basis and.

B

If there's increased pedestrians along that route, who wanted a cab, one can also imagine that TTC vehicles will be blocked by folks hailing cabs as well.

F

That's a fair assumption so.

B

Would it be fair to say that the principle that if you allowed cabs to use it and if you use the principle, build it and they will come that we could anticipate, maybe not the same use now. But we should anticipate a much higher use of that dedicated Lane for public transit by taxi cabs, which will undermine the value of the whole project. Who.

F

You, the mayor, that's our concern. We are looking to see increased support for taxis along the corridor by increasing the taxi stands both with on with on King itself and on intersecting streets. But the concern is, if they're exempt, that increased traffic of taxis would have an impact on the effectiveness of the pilot for transit and.

B

This pilot really is about keeping that core center lane open for public transit and the status position would be that that's what you want to hold dear and you're, asking us not not, frankly, frankly, not to muck with that not to mess with that council.

F

That's correct we're looking to pilot something and it fairly that it's a somewhat complex issue, but it's in a simple way and see how it works. Great.

E

Thank you very much. Thank you. Mr. mayor thanks.

C

Councillor havoc anybody else visiting with us from City Council today who wants to be heard? Okay on questions, then we go to the members of the committee and I have councillor DiGiorgio, followed by the deputy mayor, followed by councilor, shiner and Pasternak. So there's a good start over to you counselor to George, oh well,.

O

Just in the midst of punching some numbers, so I don't have the answer to my question, but so I'm a little bit surprised by the the information that a quarter to a third of the cars using King Street our cabs, because if I take a quarter of twenty thousand vehicles, I get five thousand vehicles, I mean, and that means five thousand cabs are on the street. Well, either they're, making very frequent movements or the whole cab industry is on queue on King Street, because the cab industry comprised of fifty to fifty five hundred vehicles.

O

So a little bit lot of the information is a bit astounding and troublesome for me. So where do you arrive at twenty five to a third of the cars on King Street beam, cabs or how you arrive at that through.

F

The mayor we've have some data where we've had observed video counts to assess how many of the of the numbers of cars traveling King Street our cabs, and so we've looked at that to come up with that information, so we're talking about in in one hour in a seven to eight a.m. slot when there's 250 westbound vehicles there's eighty cabs within that time frame of 275 westbound eastbound vehicles, seventy two cabs within that time frame. So it's.

O

Not on a 24-hour basis, but rather just on the rush peak hours, correct the.

F

Data that I'm speaking of here we do wanted to go into it more deeply, but that's a 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. understanding of the volumes we do expect that, even in the evening periods, as we were discussing earlier in terms of Thursday Friday Saturday nights, we would our observations are that it's likely even higher than that. Okay.

O

My last question, because I don't have the numbers here, so 20,000 vehicles you using King Street and we're anticipating that we're going to be reducing the number of cars on King Street as a result of introducing this pilot of the cars other than cabs. What percentage reduction do we anticipate? In other words, how many other cars are going to are going to not use King Street as a result of this pilot project, another 50 percent, another 25 percent? Well,.

F

Through the mayor, we're anticipating that overall, it could see up to 50 number of vehicle trips reduced on Kingston. Another.

O

We're going to get another 25% reduction in cars of just normal drivers of other than cabs. Is that what the we're looking at for.

F

The mayor, we would expect that all trips destined for King Street would continue to go to King Street if they needed to pick up and drop off a passenger of a taxi or if they needed to do a delivery, but that, through trips, who are using King Street today will choose other routes. Alright,.

O

Thank you thanks.

C

Counselor DiGiorgio councillor, deputy Merriman and Wang.

B

So my first question as chief planner, so there's been discussion that the number of transit users are increasing and also the number of pedestrians. Is the chief planner aware that studies have shown that the number of people, families and people driving cars is increasing in the GTA and is only set to get even higher.

L

Through the mayor that may be true on the GTA wide basis, but we look at transportation on a zonal level and that's not the case in the downtown core. Do.

B

People from the GTA use, King Street.

L

Through the mayor, interestingly, in our analysis of transportation patterns, we discovered that the vast majority of people coming from the East in the West outside of the downtown core are using other routes such as the Gardiner, Expressway and lakeshore, and the volume of cars on King Street is more directly related to the shoulder areas of the downtown, such as Liberty Village to the West. Thank.

B

You so you said you surveyed a bunch of businesses and all sorts of interest groups. Did you serve eight car drivers through.

L

The through the mayor, yes, we did in the context of our survey. We asked people to indicate how it is that they move and how it is that they use King Street and we did include we didn't. Of course, drivers were involved in that survey and we do have data. 67 percent of the of the people who are car drivers, who are a part of the overall online survey results support the proposed design, 67%, okay,.

B

So my next three questions was Jumeirah of the general manager of transportation, as they are related to more operational issues so to the general manager transportation. There is. This went to the TTC and the promotion's moved at the TTC. Are you prepared to respond to those motions at in a future report through.

J

You deputy mayor, we are prepared to respond to those motions. Thank.

B

You, my second question, is I. Think councillor Campbell who's, not here anymore, said there was a in-depth research that was done so I'll I'll assume that's a case. I asked blacks had both my questions. Cuz I'm, writing in time. What are the travel times through King Street, Wellington, Front and Richmond right now? What are those travel times? And my second question is: what will it take to end the pilot project that is go back to the current arrangement when cars are loaded back on King Street the same as they are today?

B

So what I'm saying is is what are the metrics for which you're going to say this isn't working out? We we need to go back to the way it was through.

J

You mr. mayor I, think that the the metrics for we were pretty broad set of metrics that we're going to look at that are not just about travel time. The travel time will certainly be one both for for transit vehicles, as well as for drivers and I. Think, certainly we'll be looking at trends, and certainly we would want to be comprehensive and what we put forward to the council related to those metrics and then I think.

J

If, during the course of the pilot, we would want to modify what we see situations that are problematic, we would want to modify them with the tools that we have at our disposal to do so and look at it again and then, if we still did not feel that it was a success based on the metrics we set forward, we would come back to the council with the opportunity to remove the pilot. Sorry.

B

Mr. mirage I asked about the travel times to those trees. Does she have those numbers yeah.

C

That was a question that was asked within the time. Do you have numbers on the travel time through.

J

You, mr. mayor, we will have to get those numbers and provide them to you on travel time through the quarter on those alternative routes. Could.

C

We possibly hope that might be the afternoon by the time of our yeah finishing this item. I was we're here for a couple more hours on this.

J

We don't have them handy for the other quarters at this moment. We do have them, certainly for King, but we will look to get them by by the end of.

C

Yes, sir yeah, we have the Kings before we finish up with questions and then the others. Maybe this afternoon, Thank You councillor Pasternak great.

D

Thank You mr. mayor, through you, too I, believe be a chief financial officer. Now the report says that this initial cost is going to be 1.5 million dollars and then losses to Toronto parking authority is going to be 2 million dollars on an annual basis am I. Reading that correctly, 1.9 million that's correct. Now the public transit infrastructure fund is a federal program. That's funded through the provinces for eligible public transit projects. That's.

B

Correct it's 50 percent, funded by the federal government and 50 percent funded by the city. Now.

D

Does the 50 percent by the city have to be funds in hand or canopy debt? It could be anything it can be anything on the list on their program descriptor of eligible projects. Nothing like this is there. It talks a lot about subway tracks, bridges, signals, fleet replacement, accelerated design, implementation, construction, work for large scale, transit projects- in other words, this seems like a real stretch to use those dollars for that. Have we verified that we can actually use those dollars for this? No.

B

I believe it transportation projects are included in pita and we do have some road related projects. Most of our PT f is transit, but we have the rest of. It is in transportations budget now.

D

Going going back to some of the comments written on page 1 I know, there's some pretty strong fans of our streetcar system, but it says your streetcar service can be slow, unreliable, erratic and unpredictable travel times. I guess this is the staff? Isn't this a band-aid solution to what you're describing here streetcars service can be slow, unreliable, erratic and unpredictable during rush hours, but also during late evening and weekend time, so in other words, traffic density has nothing to do with it.

D

Your this, this streetcar system here is problematic, regardless of the traffic density and are we are we not just putting putting a band-aid solution on would on what is real, a core problem with the with the subway line along there for.

F

The mayor we've already made several tweaks, as was described in the initial presentation for operational improvements along the corridor. No stopping times in the curbside restriction of left turns those kind of things those I would refer to as tweaks. This is a fairly major change to reduce the amount of traffic that flows on King, Street and we've. As part of this pilot project, preparation, we've done observations of the cause of transit delay and we find that that's there lot of the cause of transit delay is because of congestion.

F

There's delay at the signals related to cars, turning that adds to that as well and there's some delay as a result of curbside use and so looking at the cause of delay, we're looking to make a larger change with this transit priority pilot project. If.

B

I could just quickly add to that from the TTC perspective, but that part of that report should really read. Transit in this section of the city is slow and erratic. It doesn't have to do with the technology of streetcar, but the nature of the area that we're serving.

C

That brings us the end of our time. Councillor Pasternak. Thank you. Councillor, shiner well,.

E

Gentlemen, your transportations am I right and responding to my colleague, councillor Mehta Wong, that you don't have the statistics here as to the impacts on Queen Street, Dundas, Street, Richmond, Street, Adelaide Street, and none of those are Wellington Street.

J

Through you, with regard to journey time, we want to make sure we have the right information to provide. We don't have that handy with us, we'll get it today is.

E

That available was it. You know that was it considered in this report. Yes,.

J

Certainly, as a baseline before we get started, we will have more specific counts with regard to travel time, we've just recently launched here technology, which gives us more specific Bluetooth reader travel time, but.

E

All I wanted to know is don't, and you haven't looked at that now, then in making these recommendations.

E

T

Or no so through through the chair, so we haven't specifically looked at what the journey time impacts on the parallel corridors likely to be. No, that's part of the purpose of the pilot to understand exactly what those impacts are. What we have done is we've looked at what we expect happen in terms of the traffic flows, so we understand so no there, but we haven't actually Michael journey to my.

E

Questions the answer was simple: no, you don't have that the was one-way streets. Another was King, Street, one-way, Queen, Street. Another way and those options looked at.

J

Through you, that suggestion has come up a number of times. We did look at what not specifically what the cost would be, but enough to know that the costs of doing a one-way service for a pilot project would be not possible to do in terms of changing signals. Changing signage, impacting people's walk time to their destinations. So.

E

Don't know why they're making the other streets as other major cities have one ways would be a better recommendation than this from the chief planner, we're talking about tío core and all the intensification down there in the 25-year plan. How old is the Official Plan? That's in the area now.

L

The teo core plan that we're doing right now is creating a secondary plan for the area. There are many official plan amendments in the area, the old.

E

L

Overall official plan framework that we have that we've been updating, it's not an easy answer, because some policies have been updated in some heaven. For example, all of the heritage policies were updated in 2013 official plan.

E

Because they are situation is how many applications that are coming in in the core are amendments to the Official Plan on a percentage our most of them, not a menace to the Official Plan.

L

Through the mayor, I, don't have that information in front of me, but I can in fact get them because are.

E

Most of them not amendments, you sign the report, our most the application through.

L

The mayor, but if you're asking, which our amendments, the one that would mean I, would have to look at how many permits are pulled, which I don't sign so, for example, on Yonge Street right now we have many mid-rise buildings being built as of right. There's no report for them.

E

Why is it when I asked on one area? You answer me on something else: we're talking about the King Corridor.

R

Kind of privilege I just like people to treat our city staff with respect in.

E

Due respect, counselor McMahon I am I trying to get an answer to both of you.

C

E

C

E

A straight answer from the.

C

Chief designer.

E

On the issue that I was asking I'm.

C

Gonna, give you a few extra seconds just to ask your question again and then you know we'll take it from there.

E

There's 20 plus it says in here: 20 plus stakeholder groups attended the meeting over here. Is there a list of them and a reason why, when there was no response from the taxi industry, someone didn't go back and try and find out why they weren't there. So can we get that list? Is it out and why, when no one responded, the one contact didn't come back? No one made an effort to find anybody else and it had to be a member of council that found that out through.

L

The mayor the list is available on the website, as are the terms of reference for the for the group and the you're absolutely right. We regret that we did not follow up when there was an on response from the taxi Alliance I.

C

Think yeah I died earlier on said on our behalf. I think that we have to do better and there also were watching the news- and this was on the news. Many many many times so I think there's a bit of fault on all sides, but we're the ones that have to get the notices that properly to people and if they don't respond. So I think that lesson has been learned: Thank, You, councillor, shiner, councillor territory,.

E

Just two, so can that list of the 20 plus then go with to council when this goes to council the people that were consulted? That's all I want, and it.

C

Go to council, yes kind of people, we just put it as part of the report. It's on the website, but put it as part of the report.

E

The people that were consulted than the after those that were consulted is only I, guess, I'm sure.

C

That's not a problem to have it go with it. I think that will help and I guess we get that. Just put that does append that to the report. The closed accounts okay, I, had over on the other side here, I had councilors, Crawford and violet did I miss anybody with their hand up all right, then that would be councilor council burns out there.

B

I just saw there is somebody from the Toronto parking authority available for questions. Anybody.

C

Here from the parking authority, we want to stand that down. I would appreciate. I do have some specific questions on the spots and I think we'll be finished questions just after lunch. Somebody we could get somebody here in the meantime, yeah not I mean I, then I could ask them it or you could talk to them over lunch, but why don't we see you guys? That's.

T

Well, stand that down councillor.

C

A

That's me yes, um I know, there's been a couple questions around this topic, but I still have a miss people to understand fully these treats around King streets, so Queen Street, Richmond, Adelaide and so on. So you collected the data, so you can compare and measure for the future is so.

J

Through you, mr. mayor, so we focus as in ramping up for a pilot project. We focused on looking at speed and excuse me volume and speed on the corridors within the pilot area, we're doing a more comprehensive modeling program, we're also going to baseline the information before we go forward and so that information as we're trying to get we've done more. Looking on King Street in particular, we did some manual assignment of trips to look at how the the 50% of the trips that would be shifted off of King Street.

J

As a result, potentially the pilot would move to other corridors and it's one of the driving reasons that we picked this area of King Street, because there are parallel corridors. Okay,.

A

So we so we will be measuring that in all the that pilot area you're taking consideration that.

J

You we will and in fact we'll have a lot more data monitoring through the pilot. It's one of the reasons why we stand up a pilot and we do not have all of that data at our disposal right now. Okay,.

A

In terms so this is a 1.5 million dollar project, fifty-four feds from that, but then there's I couldn't understand. What's the 600,000 from the TTC.

A

Because in the report you talk about SiC TTC having $600,000 available, is that part of what over half so.

B

That that's a variety of items, including communications, some increased route supervision, some overtime. It is what we think it will cost to operationalize this and make Giga the highest chance of success over the course of the year on.

A

Top of the 1.5 million- yes,.

B

That's right, and so.

A

When we have the report back, should we expect that, in order, if the recommendation is to maintain and permanent that there is also the recommendations and the costing for having something like this done on a permanent basis, so.

B

It would be of a different amount for the TDC as I say. Some of that is communications to make sure that not just people that live alone King, but people that live beyond King and other different parts of the city understand that this is happening and make travel choices before they even get down to the pilot area. Okay,.

A

um So and and now I might be giving away how not technological savvy I am so, but how fast, because this is a pilot project, so how fast? And will they pick up these changes things like Google, Maps and so on? Will they pick up immediately? So, if I, if I'm googling an address on King Street, will they pick up immediately because I'm sure a lot of people will be doing that to familiarize themselves with these changes?

A

If we contacted them, do we know how fast this will go? Do we know how effective will be through.

J

You, mr. mayor, yes, we have a liaison with them. We actually work with them on a relatively frequent basis to share information, and this is something we certainly want to sit down and walk through the details up to make sure it gets captured appropriately and.

A

And immediately yes,.

J

A

Great, thank you. Thank.

C

You councillor well I I thought that was actually a very logical question that did not display any.

C

Okay, I had next caliber type Thank You. Mr. Merrick.

B

I'm through you how much work has been done on the impact potential impact to the businesses on King Street has been done.

L

Through the mayor, we've worked very closely with a BIA is along the corridor and one of the reasons why the concepts changed so significantly from the three concepts that were proposed and discussed at our second meeting was in response to the concerns that were raised not only by the BIA s, but also some individual significant property owners such as the Mirvish group.

L

So there have been amendments and changes that have been made over the course of the past several months to respond to the concerns, which is one of the reasons why I think you don't hear them raising concerns in deputations today, but a significant amount of collaboration has taken place and will continue to take place throughout implementation, particularly related to the design of the public space. Okay,.

B

Thanks um how much research, or has been done specifically in terms of impacting on cabs, because I presume.

T

They're, a business it operates in the in.

B

J

Through you, I would say that we certainly have a little bit more work to do in terms of the through movement proposals that have been talked about today. We did focus pretty heavily on the cab stands and ensuring that we could provide access for cabs and, in fact, increase access for cabs on the curbside and that I think it's fair to say that that was the focus of our assessment. Okay,.

D

Thank you and in terms of I know, we went all through the consultation. We don't need to do that again, but in your recommendation, is to just refer to.

B

Sort of go forward, as is so any further consultation before we actually get into the pilot. How useful do you see that, through.

J

You it's actually quite useful because we have to go through and really fine-tune the block-by-block design between now and when we go live. We have to look at the balance of that curb space use. We talked a lot about right, turning movements.

J

We know that many of those blocks were going to have to have sufficient cue lanes for right turning vehicles, and we also need to understand where we have businesses and BIA s who are interested in public space so that we can look more closely at those proposals as well as the location of load zones. So there's quite a bit of work that we would do over the course of the summer and into the fall to tie down those specific block-by-block curbs based arrangements. Okay, thank you.

C

Any other members I have a couple of questions any other members. We should ask questions well, we'll just be heading towards lunch here and I'll put the clock on, could I just ask it: I, don't know whether it goes to miss gray or otherwise, but I'm. Just back on this business of data points that we have at the beginning, because I don't know how we know in the context of all the different things: business, cycling, time, transit time, traffic time, etc, etc.

C

If you don't have a starting point on how you measure where you've ended up and I know, deputy mayor, Minh and Wong made some comments about this at then moved to motion I think at the transit Commission may be planning to do so here today, but I just want in that.

C

We don't have some of that information and look I'm the first one to know that you know when you get these numbers they're frail, because it could be that they included is snowstorms or traffic accidents or all kinds of things, because I've been watching them closely. With regard to some of my efforts to move traffic downtown but I know we have some data and and that we're getting more, but could you just maybe expand upon why we can't seem to get a single number easily on this and talk about that? A bit thanks.

J

Mr. mayor I think the issue that we're grappling with now is just on the travel time issues, certainly to have a baseline before we would launch the pilot. We have to tie those numbers down pretty specifically, as you know not too long ago, we just put the Bluetooth here, readers in in the down town. We have the ability now to get more travel time, both as a baseline and also in changing conditions, and we we will look to get that information as promptly as we can get it.

J

It has to be analyzed and scrubbed before we can come up with a number that we want to put forward because whatever number were put forward. Certainly, is one that we're going to use as a baseline that we would want to be held to and that we will be held to so.

C

I'm right in saying that I think the pilot has contemplated in the report is going to start sometime in the fall. So here we are in June, so you're just saying you're committing that sometime between June and the fall. There will be some number or even a range of numbers that come from data that we have collected historically and are now collecting by new modes. That would be made available to the public into the council with respect to some starting point. Yes,.

J

That's correct and for and for those and and at minimum trends, desired trends for all of those metrics that we have listed and.

C

Would I be right that that includes as well kind of not just King Street itself, but also it includes Adelaide in Richmond and Wellington, some of the streets that were mentioned earlier on by one of the other questioners. That's.

J

Correct: okay,.

C

All right on that note, I think what we'll do is we'll obviously take a lunch or recess from 12:30 to 1:30 and when we come back, we'll have I think one more round of questions. Maybe councillor crowd. We can make an effort to solve that over lunch and and if so, we'll write and then we'll go all right all right. Thank you very much see if 1:30.