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Executive Committee, meeting 30, January 24, 2018 - Part 1 of 2
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Part 2 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1SUwH6F0Bw#t=10m34s
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0:09:49 - Call to order
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C
D
A
We
have
quorum,
ladies
and
gentlemen
and
I'll
call
the
30th
meeting
of
the
executive
committee
to
order
and
I
will
welcome
all
members
of
the
committee
and
members
of
council
and
our
staff,
of
course,
but
also
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
here
today
and
the
media.
We
acknowledge
that
we're
meeting
today
on
the
traditional
territory
of
the
Mississauga's
of
the
new
credit
First
Nation,
the
Honda
Shoni.
A
They
here
on,
when
debt
and
home
to
many
diverse
indigenous
peoples
and
I'll
remind
people
they
can
watch
us
on
YouTube
at
Toronto,
City
Council
live
or
follow
the
meeting
on
a
computer
tablet
or
smartphone
at
WWDC
a
slash
council.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
act?
And
if
you
have
one,
please
indicate
the
item
number
and
the
nature
of
the
interest.
E
Yeah
just
said
of
an
abundance
of
caution
on
e^x
30.8,
I,
guess
bullet
point
one:
there's
a
reference
to
Toronto
Public
Library,
building
capacity,
the
Old
City
Hall
and
an
abundance
of
caution
I'd
like
to
declare
an
interest
that
my
because
my
spouse,
although
medical
leave,
is
technically
still
an
employee
of
Toronto
Public
Library
I'd
like
to
participate
in
that
debate.
So
if
we
can
pull
out
that
eye
that
reference,
when
we
vote
that'd,
be
appreciated,
all.
A
Right,
thank
you.
Thank
You
councillor,
any
other
declarations
of
interest.
Okay
can
I.
Have
a
motion
please
to
confirm
the
minutes
of
the
executive
committee
meeting
of
November,
the
28th
2017
moved
by
councillor
Giorgio,
2nd
house.
They
passed
Mac
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item
3.
Just
to
draw
your
attention
to
this
on
today's
agenda,
X
30
point
3
did
all
metal
charges.
Bylaw
review,
as
you
know,
requires
a
statutory
public
meeting
under
the
developmental
charges
Act.
A
So
this
will
be
timed
for
ten
o'clock
this
morning
or
assume
thereafter
as
we
can
get
to
it.
So
we'll
go
through
the
agenda
and
it
may
well
be
we're
just
shy
of
ten
o'clock
and
we'll
see
what
happens
with
that,
but
we
do
have
to
deal
with
that
at
a
time
which
I
propose
be
ten
o'clock
this
morning,
and
that
also
requires,
under
the
law,
a
presentation,
a
brief
presentation
to
be
made
before
consideration
of
that
item,
which
also
I
think
has
some
deputations
on
it.
A
D
F
A
It's
being
held
by
councillor
McMahon
item
38,
X,
30,
point
12,
Toronto's,
open
data
master
plan
being
held
for
deputations
item
30
point
the
X
30
point,
13
youths
agreement
for
the
vent
way
and
may
I
have
a
motion.
There's!
No!
No!
No
deputations
here
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
recommendation
approved
by
a
move
by
councillor
Ainsley
councillor
McMahon.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item;
X
30
point
14
authority
to
enter
into
beat
agreements
for
the
2026
fifa
world
cup.
You
move
that
moved
by
councillor
Thompson.
A
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item;
30,
X,
30,
point
15,
City
of
Toronto
interests
regarding
airport
ownership,
may
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
recommendations
contained
in
the
report.
Councillor
McMahon
councillor
Crawford,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item;
X,
30,
point:
16,
updated
use
of
city
resources
during
an
election
period
policy
motion
to
approve
the
recommendations
of
the
city
clerk
councillor
McMahon
councillor
DiGiorgio.
A
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
item
X
30
points,
17,
review
of
code
of
conduct
for
members
of
local
boards
as
being
held
for
deputations
item
30,
X
30
point
18,
adjustments
to
to
affordable
housing
loans
to
the
YWCA
of
Greater
Toronto.
All
these
I'd
me
I'd
like
to
hold
the
held
by
councillor
Thompson
item
30,
point
19,
IX,
30,
point
19,
affordable
rental
housing
and
ownership
opportunities
in
thistle
town
panorama.
A
Court
may
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
recommendations
in
the
report
moved
by
Councillor
bylaw
councillor
McMahon,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
pari
item
ix20,
30.20,
st.
Hilda's
tower
seniors
housing.
A
motion
to
approve
the
recommendations
of
the
report
moved
by
councillor
bylaw
deputy
mayor
bylaw,
Casa
Crawford.
All
those
in
favor
propose
carry
item
IX,
30.20,
one
phase,
two
affordable
rental
homes
at
the
Mirvish
village
redevelopment
a
motion
to
approve
the
staff
recommendations
from
Constance
deputy
mayor
bylaw,
councillor
McMahon.
A
G
Very
briefly,
because
there's
been
a
few
reports
on
housing,
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
all
the
work
and
in
particular
this
one,
because
it
shows
how
people
have
been
collaborating.
This
at
389
Church
has
been
a
partnership
between
the
per
the
province
with
the
homes
to
good
programs.
The
City
of
Toronto
and
TCH
see
this
is
a
DC
HC
old
rooming
house
that
will
be
converted
into
120
units.
So
I
think
this
is
the
result
of
when
governments
come
together
and
using
our
assets.
G
A
You
and
I'll
say
the
announcement
yesterday
of
embedding
medical
staff,
and
the
shelter's
is
another
example
of
that
kind
of
collaboration.
We've
had
the
staff
recommendations
moved
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
the
item
number
II,
X
30
point
23
TTC
capital
budget.
In
year,
technical
adjustments,
we've
had
a
a
recommendation,
come
forward
from
the
transit
board
to
be
forwarded,
City
Council's
that
moved
by
Councillor
Crawford.
A
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
30,
X,
30
point
24,
2016,
Toronto,
Transit,
Commission
diversity
and
human
rights
achievements,
and
the
staff
recommendation
here
is
to
adopt
the
recommendations
from
the
TTC
board.
I
may
have
a
motion
to
so
do
all
the
councillor
McMahon.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
e^x
30
point
25
request
to
amend
eligibility
requirements
for
school
board
childcare
capital
funding
motion
here
is
to
adopt
the
suggested
disposition
to
adopt
the
recommendations
from
the
City
School
Boards
Advisory
Committee
may
I
have
a
motion
to
so
do.
A
Councillor
Crawford
councillor
Georgio,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
item.
30
X
30
point
26:
request
to
amend
site
plan
approval
protocols
for
schools,
suggested
disposition
is
to
adopt
the
recommendations
from
the
City
School
Boards
Advisory
Committee,
someone
moving.
You
want
to
hold
that
hold
it
the
council
center,
yes
hold
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Ix
30
point
27,
a
dynamic
symbol
of
success,
inclusion
on
city-owned
properties
in
Ontario,
Building,
Code
and
Highway
Traffic
Act,
and
this
is
coming
to
us
from
the
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee,
it's
being
held
for
deputations
IX
30
point
28,
employment,
accessibility
at
the
City
of
Toronto,
and
this
is
again
adopting
a
recommendation
from
the
Toronto
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee.
We
may
have
a
happy.
A
By
councillor
shiner,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
item
X
30
point
29
request
for
staff
presentation
at
the
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee
on
Bloor
Street
bike
lanes
motion
to
adopt
the
recommendation
from
the
Toronto
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee,
more
than
happy
to
move
them
moved
by
councillor
shiner
councillor
pasternak.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
item;
X
30
point
30
request
for
staff
presentation
at
the
presentation
of
the
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee
on
accessibility
at
construction
sites
on
public
spaces
and
ocean.
It
would
be
very
happy.
H
A
Answer
shiner
again:
councillor
Pasternak,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
request
for
staff,
presentation,
e^x,
30
point
31
at
the
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee
on
accessibility
features
of
the
City
of
Toronto
website.
Emotion.
Well,
will
the
councillor
pasternak
just
to
shake
it
up
a
little
towns
but
thank
councillor
Pasternak
councillor
shiner,
all
those
in
favor
staff
recommendations
or
the
committee
recommendations
opposed
carried
item,
X
30
point
32,
exploring
a
carbon
price
policy
for
City
of
Toronto
projects,
and
it
says
here
we
can't
receive
it.
A
A
We
can
come
back
right
well
held
by
councilor
shiner
and
then
finally,
on
the
agendas
we
haven't
here,
e^x
30
point
33
a
cost
of
preventing
information
being
released
at
Toronto
Hydro
that
is
being
held
for
deputations,
so
I
guess
I.
Do
I
now
have
to
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
on
the
basis
of
the
additive
in
wedi
derbyn.
So
we
don't
have
to
do
that.
That's
only
at
City
Council
and
then
I
have
my
I'm.
Sorry,
whatever
I'm
not
seeing
anything
on
my
screen.
A
G
A
Right
may
I
have
a
motion.
Well,
it's
moved
by
councillor
Barlow
to
a
second
counselor
to
George
Yeo,
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
this
item
of
new
business
on
the
provincial
Housing
and
Development
charges
related
to
that
all
in
favor
opposed
carried.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
one
more
thing
just
before
we
proceed
into
the
business
at
hand.
A
Looking
at
the
speaker's
list,
we
have
well
in
excess
of
50
deputations
today
and
a
considerable
interest,
which
is
a
good
thing
in
a
number
of
items
and
in
order
to
ensure
an
efficient
meeting,
I
would
like
to
propose
the
following
for
your
consideration
to
move
that
we
close
the
speaker's
list
at
10:30
this
morning.
Secondly,
that
for
all
items
we
reduced
speaking
and
questioning
times
for
members
of
the
public
and
for
ourselves
to
three
minutes
so
I
would
so
move
all
those
in
favor
opposed
to
carries.
A
A
A
Just
don't
know.
If
there's
an
item
I
guess
we
may
as
well
start
at
the
beginning.
We
have
only
three
on
waterfront
transit,
so
we
may
be
able
to
get
that
done.
We
have
first
Jodi
Spiegel
I,
hope,
that's
the
correct
pronunciation.
Senior
vice-president
development,
first
capital,
Realty,
Jodi
Spiegel-
is
that
person
here
with
us
today:
Jodi
Spiegel,
okay,
we'll
go
on
and
see
if
somebody
Hamish
Wilson.
Mr.
C
Must
admit
it's
a
bit
disappointing
to
have
three
minutes,
given
that
we've
had
a
century
of
plans
for
robust
transit
in
the
to
the
center
of
the
core?
And,
quite
honestly,
this
item
is
inferior.
It
doesn't
provide
that
robust
transit
solution
that
has
been
desperately
needed
and
is
still
desperately
needed,
so
I
would
urge
you
all
to
push
this
back,
send
it
back
for
more
study
of
analysis
and
analysis
and
get
it
back
into
the
after
the
election
in
the
last
quarter
of
q18.
C
It's
disappointing,
because
if
you
look,
if
you
have
an
interest
in
the
better
transit
in
this
area,
the
west
waterfront
LRT
EA
of
1993,
which
had
this
map
of
the
downtown
relief
line
in
the
West
and
that's
the
sort
of
thing.
We
should
be
doing
something
robust
something
heavy
this
this
this
good
analysis
said
there
are
two
types
of
demand,
and
this
milk
run
that
is
being
proposed.
C
It's
ignoring
that
need
that
desperate
need
for
something
that's
fast
and
heavy
from
this
pinch
point
at
the
base
of
high
park
into
the
center
of
the
city,
and
they
even
made
a
point
in
this
1983
analysis
of
actually
timing
it
out
and
a
direct
running
along
Front
Street
was
clearly
superior
than
this
milk
run,
which
is
now
emerged
again
as
being
the
solution
which
is
far
less
of
the
solution
than
it
really
should
be.
We
we
need
the
faster
routes
in
and
as
time
scuds.
C
Probably
should
be
LRT
and
I'm
not
talking
about
subways
right
now,
because
we
have
to
do
something
fast
and
quick,
and
although
the
core
is
the
place
for
Subway's,
not
so
much
the
suburban
sprawl
area,
but
that's
one
solution.
Yes,
it
cost
money,
but
why
don't?
We
think
about
spending
money
where
it's
needed.
C
Another
solution
is
to
tweak
the
extend
the
King
Street
right
away
proposal,
but
tweak
to
the
gain
so
that
you
only
do
one
side
of
King
but
use
do
another
way
on
Queen
Street,
so
you
get
a
loop
and
you
don't
stress
the
either
king
or
queen,
quite
as
much
as
want
the
King
Street
right
away.
Pilate
now
is
doing
which
is
giving
you
some
fee,
but
the
other
way
is
to
do
it
the
other
way.
So
you
have
king
and
queen
going
in
the
opposite
directions.
C
A
F
A
Yeah
the
client
has
been
made
I
noticed
myself
when
mr.
Wilson
was
presenting
theirs,
in
addition
to
some
of
the
some
of
the
addition
to
the
noise
from
outside,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
noise
in
here
just
the
general
murmur
of
conversation,
I
think,
particularly
to
my
to
my
left,
my
geographic
left.
So
if
you
could,
please
just
be
courteous
to
everybody
here,
including
the
deputies
that
would
be
great,
miss
Bogdan.
Thank
you
for
coming.
You
have
three
minutes.
Thank.
D
You
very
much
good
morning:
I
am
the
director
of
planning
and
redevelopment
at
st.
Joseph's,
Health
Center,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
Executive
Committee
today
today,
st.
Joseph's,
Health
Center
asked
is
not
in
words,
respect
to
this
planning
initiative
that
future
planning
of
the
waterfront
transit
network
plan
consider
the
needs
and
efforts
of
our
important
community
institution.
By
way
of
background,
st.
Joseph's
is
located
at
30,
the
Queens
Way,
which
is
within
the
section
two
of
the
plan
of.
I
J
D
A
day
emergency
services
that
last
year
accommodated
more
than
a
hundred
thousand
visits.
We
serve
a
very
large
population
with
a
concentration
living
in
the
various
neighborhoods
along
the
Toronto
Western
waterfront.
We
have
365
patient
rooms
and
we
are
projected
to
grow
to
540.
We
provide
a
wide
range
of
ambulatory
care
and
mental
health
services
and
are
seen
as
a
community
destination
for
health
care
services
in
the
Western
Toronto
central
Toronto
will,
in
the
hospital,
is
also
a
major
employment
destination,
providing
approximately
3000
jobs
as
well
as
educational
programming
for
prospective
health
care
professionals.
D
Over
the
past
several
years,
we've
engaged
our
community
staff,
commute
clinical
leaders
and
consultants
to
plan
for
the
renewal
and
expansion
of
our
services
to
accommodate
our
forecasted
and
evidence-based
growth
in
our
catchment
area,
so
providing
improved
access
and
mobility
via
transit
for
our
patients,
and
our
staff
is
a
priority.
We
need
to
be
able
to
rely
on
safe
and
convenient
tract
transit
access
in
order
to
embed
the
successful
operations
for
our
hospital.
D
We
do
have
concerns
about
the
preferred
alignment
chosen
for
this
area,
given
that
it
would
be
located
in
the
order
of
a
hundred
and
fifty
metres
south
of
the
hospital
would
be
physically
separated
by
the
lakeshore
Boulevard
Gardiner
Expressway,
the
GO
Transit
Line
and
the
Queensway,
and
to
be
considered.
There
is
also
a
significant
grade
difference
as
part
of
providing
direct
and
convenient
connections
between
planned
new
transit
infrastructure
in
the
health
center.
D
Given
the
items
presented
in
our
deputation,
we
st.
Joseph's
fully
and
respectfully
requests
your
support
of
the
following
as
planning
continues,
but
as
part
of
a
transit
project
assessment
process.
Future
background
studies
will
be
prepared
in
support
of
connecting
the
identified
transit
stop
locations
to
st.
Joseph's
health
center.
That
financial
implications
include
consideration
of
improved
pedestrian
connections.
For
example,
there's
been
reference
to
a
pedestrian
bridge
which
provides
potentially
an
opportunity
for
weather,
protected
and
seamless
integration
between
the
proposed
route
and
st.
D
A
D
D
C
D
Would
like
to
maintain
the
transit
stop
as
close
as
possible
to
the
front
door
of
the
hospital
one
of
the
limiting
factors
for
us
for
our
entire
population
that
comes
to
the
hospital.
Both
staff
and
patients
are
the
challenges
of
getting
to
the
front
door
of
the
hospital.
So
even
a
few
hundred
meters
to
the
west
is
is
a
challenge.
D
C
D
Have
been
had
a
few
meetings
with
city
staff
and
we
did
register
that
the
importance
of
that
as
direct
access
possible.
We
do
understand
that
there
are
some
technical
limitations
of
the
of
the
to
a
proposal,
and
so
in
that
respect,
we'd
like
to
continue
to
work
with
state
with
city
staff
to
align
and
maximize
the
connectivity.
So.
D
Would
like
for
st.
Joseph's
to
be
involved
as
a
fully
engaged
important
stakeholder,
as
well
as
the
potential
to
involve
our
patient
community
engagement
council
to
to
reflect
their
their
objectives
as
well.
So
we
would
like
to
be
considered
as
we
go
forward
and
work
with
the
city
to
improve
connectivity.
Have.
A
Any
other
questions
at
the
deputy.
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
Baca
and
I
I
think
you'll
register
to
message
with
us
today
and
I
know
from
having
been
to
st.
Joseph's
myself
how
much
of
a
role
it
plays,
especially
for
some
of
our
most
of
all
normal
people
in
the
community
and
I
think
it's
important
they
be
connected
easily
there.
So
a
message
received
and
we'll
look
forward
to
working
with
you
going
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Just
to
ask
once
again
because
we
started
off-
and
we
have
this
item
to
do
at
ten
o'clock-
Jodi
Spiegel
senior
vice
president
development,
first
capital
realty,
okay.
Well,
what
we
have
done,
then,
is
completed
the
deputations
on
this
item.
One
and
I
think
it
now
looks
like
it's
ten
o'clock
on
the
dot
and
that
would
take
us
then
to
item
IX,
30.3
Ettore.
Yes,
the
councillors
don't
know.
A
Okay,
can
I
just
get
an
indication
of
how
many
people
want
to
ask
questions
of
staff
on
this,
and
that
would
give
us
a
bit
of
and
speak
one
okay.
Well,
there's
enough
that
I,
you
know
I
think
we'd
be
better
off
this,
because
we
said
ten
o'clock
well,
it
said
as
soon
as
possible-
let's
let's
finish
it
down
here
right.
Let's
do
that.
So
the
next
thing
would
then
be
questions
of
staff
from
members
of
council.
Not
on
the
committee
did
councillor
perks,
no
okay,
fine
did
I,
see
a
hand
of
it.
K
A
K
K
K
We
build
out
this
transit.
What
methods
will
use
to
serve
the
residents
workers
and
students
that
have
already
moved
in
we've,
been
working
with
the
GGC
and
Waterfront
Toronto
as
part
of
this
project,
and
there
are
a
number
of
improvements
we
can
look
at,
including
improved
bus
service,
in
particular
in
the
East
Bay
front,
and
we'll
be
working
with
the
TTC
on
that
great.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
E
F
F
Through
the
chair,
my
understanding
about
the
way
that
PT
F
is
structured
is
that
there
would
be
an
expectation
of
provincial
funding
in
any
of
the
projects
that
are
funded,
that
the
province
would
also
have
to
contribute
a
share,
and
we
are
negotiating
some
of
those
details
still
with
the
with
the
province.
We
have
been
involving
Metrolinx
in
this
project
in
in
terms
of
our
technical
advisory
committee
and
keeping
them
apprised
of
of
all
the
work
on
this.
But
it's
not
a
joint
project
like
some
of
our
other
transit
projects,
so.
E
F
Through
the
chair,
I
think
that
Metrolinx
recognizes
the
importance
of
this
project.
They've
certainly
highlighted
it
in
the
draft
of
the
regional
transportation
plan
and
the
updated
transit
network.
I
can't
speak
to
how
committed
they
will
be
or
what
will
need
to
happen
in
the
negotiations
about
about
their
funding
contribution.
Now.
A
You
I
should
just
just
for
to
help
councillor
Pasternak
I
had
a
meeting,
because
I
don't
want
any
impression
to
linger
out
there
that
we're
gonna
accept
the
notion
of
being
on
our
own
with
the
federal
money
I
met
with
the
provincial
finance
minister,
as
recently
as
yesterday
to
indicate
this
remains
all
of
these
projects
in
phase
two
remain
a
high
priority
for
provincial.
He
received
that
message
so
we're
not
on
our
own
we're
hoping
to
have
multiple
partners
in
proceeding
with
this
and
the
other
priority
projects
approved
by
council.
H
I'm
glad
they're
happy
I'm,
asking
questions
I
appreciate
that
Who
am
I
asking
you
to
so.
The
issue
was
raised
about
connectivity
in
particular
for
those
with
disabilities.
Accessible
access
to
st.
Joseph's,
Health
Center.
Is
that
something
that
you
can
continue
to
work
on
with
them
and
see
what
type
of
connections
you
can
give
them.
F
A
C
Just
wanted
to
very
quickly
thank
the
staff
who've
been
working
on
this.
This
is
trying
to
thread
then
threading
the
needle
through
through
here
and
all
the
technical
problems
and
challenges.
It's
an
astonishingly
complex
job,
just
a
little
bit
you
heard
about
today
with
the
st.
Joseph's
Hospital
the
technical
challenges
of
getting
up
from
the
waterfront.
It
means
way
and
finding
the
right
place
to
do
it.
That's
been
the
subject
of
a
decade
of
engineering
work
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it
understand
councillor
shiner
wants
to
move.
C
C
A
A
G
H
H
H
H
Again,
it's
in
speaking
to
that
and
thank
you
for
that.
We're
often
reminded
here
when
folks
from
the
accessibility
committee
do
come
to
see
us
about
the
difficulty
that
they
often
face.
Where
many
of
us
don't
we're
a
small
step
or
a
long
walk.
Well,
you're.
An
icy
sidewalk
could
be
something
that
we
can
find
a
way
around,
and
they
can't
so
I
appreciate
the
hospital
coming
here,
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
find
a
good
connection
to
this
main
transit
line,
that's
being
improved
along
that
area.
H
I
have
North
York
General
Hospital
long,
the
Shepherd
subway
line
and
people
are
able
to
gain
access
to
that,
although
they
have
major
streets
to
cross
and
the
accessibility
ability
issue
wasn't
as
well
thought
of
when
that
was
put
in
place.
So
move
that,
along
with
the
rest,
the
staff
recommendations
and
hope
to
see
this
project
move
forward.
Thanks.
A
Councillor
shiner
other
members
of
the
committee
wishing
to
speak
well,
I
will
just
say
a
word
then,
and
we
can.
We
can
call
the
question
this.
You
know
for
a
number
of
reasons
and
I
I
agree
with
the
councilor
perks
and
what
he
said
about
this
being
a
transformative
project
and
I
agree
with
his
sentiments
that
he
expressed
with
respect
to
just
continuing
to
move
this
forward
and
that's
what
this
report
proposes
and
I
will
be
looking
for.
A
I
think
it's
called
sugar
wharf
that
men
kiss,
for
example,
has
putting
together
on
the
waterfront
I,
went
down
to
the
groundbreaking
and
made
the
point
there
that
you
know
we
must
not
fall
into
the
trap
that
we
fell
into
over
a
period
of
many
years
as
a
city
of
allowing
great
developments
like
this
to
be
built.
Quality
development
that
one
is
in
both
in
terms
of
its
job
creation
opportunities
for
people
to
work
there,
but
also
people
to
live
there,
public
spaces
and
so
on.
But
without
the
transit.
A
And
this
is
an
opportunity,
there's
already
a
large
amount
of
development
there,
as
has
been
mentioned
by
some
of
the
deputies,
to
keep
moving
forward
with
this.
And
it's
it's
one
of
the
most
complicated
reports
that
I've
read
on
transit
because
there
are
so
many
parts
to
it.
But
we
can't
let
that
slow
us
down.
A
You
know
I
stood
similarly
with
councilor
Grimes
out
in
the
West
End
of
this,
and
of
course
there
is
an
example
of
where
there's
been
a
ton
of
development,
some
of
it
admittedly
approved
by
the
OMB
and
not
by
that
the
past
of
this
council.
But
nonetheless,
there's
thousands
of
people
living
there
with
inadequate
transit,
and
so
this
will
help
with
that,
as
would,
of
course,
the
establishment
of
a
park
lawn
transportation
terminal
there
to
to
supplement
the
Mimico
go
station.
A
So
I
just
hope
that
we
as
a
council
can
keep
moving
this
forward,
and
this
is
one
additional
small
step
today
to
have
it
move
through
the
executive
committee
and
on
to
City
Council,
where
I
hope
it
will
receive
overwhelming
support
to
just
keep
it
moving
forward
and
I
will
be
looking
for
every
opportunity.
I
hope
on
your
behalf,
to
keep
it
moving
faster
if
we
possibly
can
to
get
the
provincial
funding
which
I'm
working
on
on
virtually
a
daily
basis,
so
that
this
can
actually
happen
as
as
possible.
A
There,
it
is
motion
number
one
from
councillor,
shiner
I'll,
ask
the
question:
I'll
call
the
question
on
the
motion:
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
and
the
item
as
amended.
All
those
in
favor
opposed
carry
all
right.
That's
excellent!
That
we
got
through
that
good
suggestion,
councillor
shiner
and
now
it
will
be
time,
given
that
it's
as
soon
thereafter
as
possible
for
us
to
return
to
item
30x30
point
three:
the
development
charges
by
low
review
and
by
statute.
We
have
to
have
a
presentation
on
that
which
we
will
now
receive.
A
A
L
Good
morning,
mr.
mayor
members
of
executive
committee,
I'm
Topher
AG,
the
acting
chief
financial
officer
for
the
City
of
Toronto.
I
joining
me
today
to
my
right
is
Rob
Hatton
Rob
is
the
executive
director
of
corporate
finance
and
to
my
left
is
Shirley.
Sue
Shirley
has
been
the
project
director
on
the
DC
bylaw
review
in
terms
of
agenda.
Mr.
mayor
I'm,
going
to
briefly
walk
you
through
that
some
background
information,
including
a
description
of
the
DC
bylaw
process
that
we've
undertaken
to
date,
we're
gonna,
discuss
how
we
arrived
at
the
DC
rates.
L
L
Mr.
mayor
I'm,
going
to
start
off
by
showing
a
slide
that
I
often
show
when
I
meet
with
debt
rating
agencies.
This
slide
shows
how
we
rank
in
North
America
in
terms
of
high-rise
construction,
buildings,
construction.
We
currently
have
156
such
buildings
number
one
only
second
and
higher,
even
than
the
city
of
New
York,
more
than
Miami
la
Chicago,
Houston,
San,
Francisco,
Dallas,
Atlanta
and
Boston
combined.
L
This
is
truly
a
remarkable
statistic.
Toronto
in
fact
has
ranked
number
one
in
all
of,
but
six
previous
years
I'm
showing
you
this
slide,
which
illustrates
again
in
2012
Toronto's
ranking.
We
had
a
hundred
and
seventy-eight
high-rise
construction
happening
in
the
city
vastly
exceeding
our
north-american
any
other
city
in
north
america.
I
need
list
to
save
this
extraordinary
growth
places,
huge
demands
on
municipal
infrastructure
and
the
city
has
made
significant
capital
investment
in
both
hard
and
soft
services.
To
accommodate
that
growth.
We
have
at
our
disposal
for
key
funding
tools.
L
We
use
section
37
of
the
Planning
Act
to
allow
us
to
secure
community
benefits
in
exchange
for
heightened
density.
We
also
make
use
of
section
42.
This
is
the
parkland
dedication
requirement
and
we
fund
our
Park
land
acquisition
as
as
well
as
Parks
and
Rec
precipitated
by
growth
through
that
funding
tool.
But
by
and
large
we
use
development
charges
which
have
raised
roughly
225
million
dollars
annually.
L
In
the
past
three
years,
the
fund
grows
needless
to
say,
if
we
can't
fund
the
cost
of
growth
through
these
three
sources,
we
utilize
property
taxes
and
user
fees
to
fund
the
balance.
So
what
are
DC's?
These
are
one-time
charges
that
are
collected
from
landowners
land
developers
at
the
time
of
building
permit
issuance.
The
principle
here
is
that
growth
should
pay
for
itself,
so
that
the
cost
of
providing
growth
related
infrastructure
doesn't
fall
on
existing
great
payers
in
the
form
of
higher
taxes
and
user
fees.
L
Dc
bylaws
by
statute
have
a
maximum
life
of
five
years,
and
so
we
have
to.
If
we
want
to
continue
to
collect
development
charges,
we
have
to
update
the
bylaw
prior
to
October
of
2018.
The
DC
Act
requires
that
the
City
Council
undertake
three
things.
First
of
all,
we
have
to
prepare
a
DC
background
study.
L
This
documents,
the
growth
forecasts
of
the
city,
the
methodology
by
which
we
arrive
at
the
DC
charge
and
we've
had
the
good
fortune
of
retaining
hampson
Consulting
Hampson's,
been
an
expert
on
DC
background
studies
and
subject
of
DC's
for
the
past
couple
of
decades.
They've
acted
on
our
behalf,
they've
completed
the
study
and
it
has
been
tabled
with
with
the
clerk
on
January
the
9th.
L
In
addition
to
that
requirement,
we
have
to
hold
a
statutory
public
meeting,
which
is
the
purpose
of
today's
meeting
and
in
order
to
pass
the
new
charge,
Council
has
to
adopt
bylaw
we're
targeting
to
do
that
in
March
or
April
of
this
year.
The
DC
bylaw
update
is
a
really
lengthy
process.
We
started
about
a
year
ago
and
the
review
was
a
game,
but
the
read
led
by
Rob
and
Shirley
and
supported
by
Hamsun.
L
L
The
following
slide
outlines
the
key
steps
that
are
required
by
the
development
charges.
Act
I
won't
go
through
this
slide
and
great
detail.
Suffice
it
to
say
that
the
legislation
is
very
prescriptive
on
how
we
undertake
the
analysis
with
respect
to
the
assumptions
and
the
review
process,
you
can
find
all
of
the
details
in
the
background
study
is
a
study,
that's
about
400
and
some
odd
pages,
and
it
has
been
tabled
with
a
city
clerk.
L
Needless
to
say,
they
are
increasing
at
a
significant
rate,
roughly
doubling
the
charge
I've
highlighted
for
you
in
blue
the
proposed
or
calculated
charge
on
apartment
units.
They
range
in
price
from
seventeen
thousand,
which
is
the
current
charge
on
one-bedroom
units
to
thirty
three
thousand
I
and
on
two-bedroom
units.
L
The
current
charge
is
twenty
five
thousand
and
the
calculated
rate
is
104
percent
higher
at
fifty-one
thousand
I
highlighted
this
because
about
85
to
90
percent
of
our
development
comes
in
the
form
of
high-rise
apartments,
condominiums
and
the
life
non
residential
side,
which
is
reflected
at
the
bottom.
We
currently
provide
exemption
to
industrial
land
uses
and
we're
proposing
that
we
continue
to
do
that
for
economic
development
reasons.
We
also
provide
exemptions
for
office
development,
and
that
will
continue
to
be
the
case
under
the
bylaw.
L
L
Growth
requires
increasing
servicing
capacity.
We
have
a
number
of
additional
projects,
particularly
in
the
areas
of
transit,
roads
and
water
and
water
rate,
the
water
and
sewer
infrastructure.
We
require
that
to
accommodate
the
growth,
increased
land
and
construction
costs
have
also
accounted
for
the
increase
and
the
province
about
a
year
or
so
ago
relax
some
of
the
constraints
that
were
imposed
on
municipalities
with
respect
to
the
calculation
methodology
and
we've
been
able
to
utilize
that
to
increase
the
the
charge.
This
next
slide
illustrates
for
you,
mr.
L
mayor,
the
types
of
projects
that
are
contained
in
the
background
study,
for
which
we
will
utilize
development
charges
at
the
fullest
extent
to
fund
again
transit
is
one
of
the
key
capital
infrastructure
requirements
that
is
reflected
in
the
background
study.
We
were
opposing
charges
for
the
two
is
SC
the
Scarborough
subway
smart
track
and
a
whole
host
of
other
initiatives
that
are
contained
in
our
capital
program.
L
The
DC
study
recovers
costs
for
18
different
city
services.
Shelter
is,
in
fact,
a
new
DC
service
that
was
added
in
the
study
that
wasn't
included
in
the
past,
and
this
pie
chart
just
illustrates
for
you
that
about
74,
73
percent
of
the
residential
charge
is
related
to
transit,
as
well
as
transportation
and
engineered
services.
L
This
next
chart
illustrates
for
you,
mr.
Eyre,
the
how
we
compare
to
other
GTA
municipalities
rush.
The
existing
charge
on
a
large
apartment
unit
is
roughly
27,000.
If
Council
adopts
the
calculated
charge,
it
would
be
much
higher
than
the
GTA
average,
but
comparable
to
those
charges
that
are
imposed
in
New,
York
Region
as
well
as
Peel
again.
L
And
finally,
what
we
wanted
to
show
is
a
comparison
of
a
typical
eight-story
commercial
office
building
and
how
the
charges
would
affect
that
type
of
development
and,
to
the
extent
that
we're
exempting
the
office
component
of
such
a
building
the
charge
would
be
relatively
modest.
We've
taken
that
policy
position,
because
we
firmly
believe
that
we
want
to
incentivize
and
those
types
of
employment
uses
and
from
an
economic
development
and
fiscal
fiscal
policy
perspective
that
makes
really
good
sense.
L
No
major
changes
are
complet
are
contemplated
with
respect
to
our
current
exemptions,
we're
proposing
to
continue
to
exempt
affordable
housing
through
the
open
door,
a
program
that
was
a
program
that
was
adopted
by
council
back
in
2015,
and
it
provides
host
of
exemptions
and
relief
from
the
payment
of
development
charges,
as
well
as
other
fees
and
property
taxes.
So
there
are
no
significant
changes
from
from
an
exemption
perspective
that
is
contained
in
the
draft
bylaw
in
terms
of
other
policies,
we're
continuing
with
a
uniform
citywide
charge.
L
This
has
been
the
case
since
amalgamation
that
regime
of
charges
really
works
well,
the
development
community
is
familiar
with
it,
and
we've
had
significant
consensus
that
that
is
really
the
way
to
go
with
respect
to
to
citywide
charges
as
opposed
to
area
specific
charges.
We
again
want
to
listen
to
the
deputies
with
respect
to
transition.
The
charge
is
going
up
significantly
and
we
think
it's
it's
important
that
we
have
some
form
of
transition
mechanism
and
we're
we're
really
anxious
to
hear
from
the
deputy
today
as
to
what
they
think
is
a
reasonable
transition
provision.
L
We
continue
to
collect
the
development
charge
and
above
grade
permits.
The
development
community
has
asked
that
we
consider
amending
that
to
the
timing
of
the
payment
to
first
building
permit
stage
in
terms
of
stakeholder
engagement.
This
chart
illustrates
for
you
the
the
number
of
meetings
that
we've
had
with
the
development
community,
as
well
as
the
rate
payer
organizations
and
the
general
public,
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
engage
with
those
discussions
in
that
dialogue
over
the
course
of
the
next
two
months
before
we
come
back
with
a
final
DC
by
law.
L
For
this
committee's
consideration,
the
input
that
we've
received
the
date
from
the
industry
is
reflected
in
this
next
slide.
They'd
like
to
see
additional
time
for
technical
review,
there's
been
some
suggestion
that
we
implement
the
bylaw
upon
the
expiry
of
the
existing
bylaw,
which
is
in
October.
So
we
delay
implementation
till
then
I
poke
earlier
about
transition
and
I
think
that's
a
key
feature
of
any
new
bylaw.
We
have
have
some
form
of
transition
to
implement
the
substantial
increases
that
are
reflected
under
the
calculated
charges.
L
L
Purpose-Built
rental
providers
have
expressed
an
interest
and
looking
at
the
charge
and
mitigating
the
impact,
because
they've
suggested
that
they
that
kind
of
an
increase
would
have
impact
the
viability
of
that
type
of
development.
Again,
most
industry
stakeholders
suggested
that
the
city
way
charges
citywide
charges
is
the
approach
to
take.
L
There
has
been
some
concern
expressed,
and
it's
really
not
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
development
charge
proposal,
but
concern
expressed
with
respect
to
the
development
approval
process
and
the
length
of
time
it
takes
to
get
approvals
in
place
with
respect
to
input
that's
been
received
from
the
ratepayers
in
the
general
public.
There's
been
really
mixed.
Input
on
phasing
there
are
those
that
would
like
us
to
implement
the
increases
immediately
and
others
have
suggested.
A
more
gradual
approaches
is
probably
a
more
reasonable
way
to
proceed.
L
There's
been
again
mixed
input
on
the
level
of
the
charges.
Some
have
suggested
that
we
ought
to
be
lowering
the
charge
to
accommodate
certain
public
objectives,
and
others
have
suggested
that
we
in
fact
increase
the
charge
beyond
that
level,
which
is
reflected
in
the
background
study
in
order
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
high-growth
areas.
L
Further
that
there's
been
expressions.
It
indicated
that
perhaps
we
should
be
focusing
the
DC's,
the
DC
collections
and
spending
them
in
areas
of
growth
and
I
think
we
collectively
agree
that
DC's
should
be
used
to
accommodate
areas
of
growth
in
terms
of
next
steps.
Mr.
mayor,
we
are
going
to
come
forward
with
and
a
final
bylaw
for
kind
of
this
committees
consideration.
L
We
expect
that
we'll
be
engaging
further
consultations
with
stakeholders
and-
and
it's
really
important,
that
we
we
make
sure
that
the
we
get
this
right,
that
the
bylaw
is
defensible
because,
after
all,
it
is
appealable
to
the
OMB
and
we
just
wanted
exercise
a
great
deal
of
due
diligence
before
we
come
back
with
a
final
bylaw.
Thank
you.
L
A
You
very
much
Joe
and
and
the
team
and
I
guess
we
now
would
I
think
what
I
would
propose
to
do
is
hold
off
on
questions
of
the
presenters
and
staff
generally,
until
we've
heard
from
our
deputies
and
then
all
the
questions
can
be
as
best
informed
as
possible
by
the
public
input
so
well.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation,
a
very
complete
presentation
and
move
to
hear
from
our
deputies
and
the
first
on
that
list.
Today
was
Heather
Tremaine
the
CEO
options
for
homes.
A
M
Great,
so
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
Options
for
homes,
as
you
may
know,
is
an
affordable,
homeownership
delivery
group.
We,
the
simplest
way
to
describe
our
model,
is
that
we
take
what
would
conventionally
be
the
profit
a
developer
receives
and
we
provide
that
to
purchaser
as
a
downpayment.
M
We
aim
for
that
downpayment
to
be
about
15%
of
the
value
of
the
unit,
so
that
purchasers
can
get
a
conventional
mortgage
they're,
not
paying
CMHC
mortgage
insurance,
which
is
usually
4%
of
the
value
of
the
unit,
and
that's
essentially
our
model
and
right
now
we
have
525
units
under
construction
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
have
another
1,100
units
in
our
pipeline
and
the
projects
that
are
in
construction.
The
average
income
of
purchasers
in
those
units
is
62
thousand
dollars
a
year.
M
That's
family
income
that
range
that's
for
all
of
our
unit
types
and
we
think
of
ourselves
as
part
of
an
important
part
of
the
housing
continuum.
We
see
this
incredible
pressure
in
the
rental
sector
and
for
525
families,
the
buildings
that
are
under
construction.
Those
families
are
moving
out
of
rental
units
and
into
ownership,
and
also
establishing
kind
of
more
stability
for
their
families
and
they're
they're
part
of
a
mixed
income
community.
M
So
we
think
that
that's
that's
an
important
thing
and
it's
an
important
thing
that
should
be
supported
and,
unlike
rental
units,
as
you
heard
in
the
presentation
rental
units
have
there
there's
a
waiver
of
DCs
for
rental
units.
There
is
no
waiver
of
DC's
for
ownership.
Currently,
there
is
the
hope
program
which,
for
a
hundred
units
a
year,
get
some
kind
of
deferral.
M
So
what
we
would?
We
would
like
to
suggest
that
there
be
some
some
opportunity
for
a
deferral
of
DCs
for
ownership
units
we've.
We
have
a
thousand
units
in
our
portfolio
that
we've
delivered
that
have
received
deferrals
of
those
thousand
units.
The
average
return
to
the
city
for
the
deferral
of
those
DC's
is
twelve
and
a
half
percent.
So
if
the
city
were
willing
to
in
fact
invest
in
those
units
invest
in
those
purchasers,
there
is
actually
a
significant
return.
That's
available
to
the
city
through
the
deferral
of
these
DCs
and
I.
M
Think
it's
quite
important
to
think
about
timing
of
this
right
now,
we've
seen
well
I've
been
on
options
for
three
years
the
cost
per
square
foot
of
our
units
have
increased
by
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
square
foot.
That's
because
the
market
has
increased
that
much.
We
also
have
stress
tests
now
that
have
increased
the
the
kind
of
income
thresholds
by
about
ten
thousand
dollars
for
a
two-bedroom
unit.
A
M
A
N
M
M
N
N
N
N
Do
right
now
you're
paying
the
developer
so
and-
and
you
know,
there's
this
fallacy
out
there.
This
argument
that
increasing
development
charges
increases
the
price
of
homes
there
couldn't
be
anything
farther
from
the
truth,
which
is
why
I'm
concerned
that
you
come
today
and
and
and
and
and
give
us
that
explanation.
All
that's
going
to
happen
when
you
increase
development
charges
is
you're
gonna,
lower
the
price
of
raw
land,
so
you're
actually
going
to
be
able
to
buy
land
at
a
cheaper
price,
because
it's
the
only
variable
cost
and
development
process.
N
M
There's
a
couple
things
one
is:
it
will
never
come
all
off
the
cost
of
the
land.
That's
never
gonna
happen.
What
will
happen
is
that
we
will
start
to
provide
a
less
a
lower
second
mortgage.
So
there's
even
less
support
for
purchasers
and
I
guess
the
question
kind
of
goes
back
to
you
at
some
level.
What
kind
of
city
do
you
want?
Do
you
want
to
stop
enabling
middle-income
earners
to
be
able
to
purchase
in
the
city?
Is
that
the
desire
I
mean
I?
Think
there's
a
balancing
act
here?
We're
not
saying
this.
M
Isn't
a
deferral
across
the
board
we're
suggesting
that
for
for
nonprofit
developers
who
come
in
and
we
put
15
percent
of
those
value
of
those
units
on
the
table
for
the
four
purchasers
we're
saying,
can
you
come
to
the
table
also
to
help
ensure
affordability
for
what
will
ultimately
be
a
limited
number
of
units
on
an
annual
basis,
so
I
I,
guess
the
kind
of
question
comes
back
to
you
as
well.
Doesn't.
M
Offers
the
open
door
program:
there
is
a
portion
of
the
open
door
program,
the
Hope
dollars
that
supports
ownership.
That's
I
believe
a
hundred
units
a
year
that
are
supported
through
Hope
sorry
200
units
a
year,
they're
supported
through
hope
of
our
units
that
are
under
construction
right
now,
less
than
a
third
have
received
those
funds.
So
we
don't
get
that
on
every
project
on
every
unit.
Okay,.
M
J
D
J
J
M
J
M
Not
asking
for
an
exemption,
what
we're
asking
for
is
that
the
DC's
be
deferred
so
that,
rather
than
them
being
paid
at
the
time
of
building
permit
they're
in
effect
paid
by
the
purchaser
when
they
sell
the
unit.
So
what
we
do
is
we
would
blend
that
deferral
amount
with
our
own
second
mortgage
and
that
gets
paid
out
when
they,
when
the
purchaser
sells
the
unit.
M
J
So
it
sent,
but
would
do
you
agree
that
in
some
parts
of
the
city,
where
it's
very
really
isn't
much
need
of
revitalization
and
where
we
have
vacant
buildings
and
that
we
should
be,
we
should
have
incentives
to
revitalize
the
area
and
get
and
develop
and
get
some
revenue
into
the
city.
Rather
than
leave
all
these
vacant
but
obsolete.
M
And
I
think
want
this.
This
across
the
board
DC
increase
does,
is
it
makes
it
much
more
difficult
to
develop?
We
have
a
site
in
Scarborough
that
we're
looking
at
seriously,
but
if,
if
the
DC's
increased
a
hundred
percent
right
now
we
would
drop
that
site
because
it
we
can't
capture
that
we
will
not.
M
A
Thank
You
councillor,
moon,
Sierra
I
had
any
other
members
that
are
visiting
with
us
today
from
outside
the
committee.
Okay,
if
not
we'll
go
to
the
committee
members
and
I
had
councilor
shiner
Deputy
Mayor
bylaw
councillor
McMahon,
so
we
have
those
three
to
start
with
and
so
councillors
your
honor
it's
your
turn.
I
have.
M
M
H
M
H
H
H
M
H
M
H
M
M
Also
say
that
we
did
a
bit
of
an
analysis
and
for
a
two-bedroom
unit,
the
DC
deferral
enables
a
family
with
an
income
family
income
of
$7,000
per
year,
less
to
purchase
that
unit.
So
rather
than
have
67
or
87
thousand
dollars
with
the
family
income,
a
family
with
$80,000
can
now
purchase
that
unit
if
the
dcs
are
deferred
on
it.
On
a
two-bedroom
unit,.
G
Quickly,
so
the
the
hope
program,
I
think
was
initially
created
to
do
exactly
that
right.
It's
it's
basically
at
the
FIR
program
that
gives
you
the
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
which
at
some
point
in
time,
were
the
development
charges,
and
so
once
the
purchaser
sells
the
unit
that
part
of
the
mortgage
comes
back
to
the
city.
So
basically,
what
you're
asking
us
today
is
basically
to
increase
that
program.
Yes,
so
that's
that
so
to
continue
that
program,
because
we
are
the
firm.
G
D
M
Increase
what
we've
I
think
we're
trying
to
you
know.
Ideally,
we
would
have
a
DC
deferral
for
all
of
our
units,
but
what
we're
asking
for
is
a
deferral
of
the
increase,
because
we
recognize
you
know
we're
not
sitting
here.
Thinking
that
affordable
housing
is
the
only
priority
of
the
city.
What
we're
saying
is
that
kind
of
meet
us
part
way
and
defer
what
the
the
increase
in
these
DC's?
You
know
right
now,
all
of
our
pro
formas.
M
We
have
a
number
of
projects
that
are
kind
of
late
in
development
stages
and
they
all
are
caring
performance
with
some
increase,
but
not
a
hundred
percent
increase
that
will
have
a
dramatic
effect
on
projects
and
projects
going
forward.
So
we're
saying
defer
the
increased
amount
in
the
DCs
which
will
come
back
to
the
city
as
in
due
course.
So,
okay.
I
F
M
M
M
F
M
F
M
M
M
J
F
M
F
M
B
M
You
give
me
a
second
I'll,
just
explain
this,
so
we're
gonna
provide
our
funds.
What
we
do
is,
then
we
take
the
DC
value
that
the
city
is
providing.
We
bundle
that
together
in
one
second
mortgage,
it
goes
on
title
and
then,
when
the
purchaser
sells
that
unit,
they
pay
back
that
second
mortgage
and
then
we
provide
the
money
to
the
city.
So
in
on
average,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
deputation,
the
average
increase
per
annum
increase
in
the
value
of
the
DC
deferrals
that
we
currently
have
on
our
books
has
been
12%.
M
B
So
you're
saying
the
appreciation
and
the
property
will
more
than
offset
yeah.
So
the
second
question
is,
rather
than
recover,
these
development
charges
on
a
on
a
sale
by
sale
basis.
Why
not
have
the
city,
let's
say
defer
receipt
of
development
charges
for
ten
years
and
then
because
most
of
the
units
will
have
sold
over
a
10-year
period,
then
have
all
the
DC's
recoverable
by
the
city
after
that
ten
year
period,
like
I'm,
just
to
sort
of
make
I.
M
Mean
if
the
city
wants
to
do
something
like
that
or
I
mean
the
alternative
is
to
kind
of,
and
we've
been
thinking
about.
This
ourselves
is
to
say:
maybe
you
defer
for
ten
years,
or
maybe
you
defer
for
longer
and
we
and
that
gets
built
into
the
longer
term.
Affordability
of
those
units
I
mean
we'd,
be
quite
open
to
a
conversation
about
how
do
we
jointly
support
longer-term
affordability
in
those
units
all
right,
we're
completely
up
for
that
conversation?
Thank.
B
A
Thank
You
councillor
Giorgio,
that
was
the
end
of
the
speakers
list
I
had.
Is
there
anybody
else
that
wants
to
speak?
There
ask
questions
rather
of
this
deputy
sorry,
okay.
Well,
mr.
Ian,
thank
you
very
much
very
helpful
and
your
work
as
helpful
as
I've
seen
with
my
own
eyes,
and
we
appreciate
what
you're
doing
your
zatia
very
much
next
another
organization,
that's
doing
a
lot
of
good
work
and
that's
Habitat
for
Humanity
Greater
Toronto
in
Underwood
is
here
CEO
there.
You
are
three
minutes
for
the
deputation
I'm
sure
there
may
be
some
questions.
I
Morning,
as
you
heard,
my
name
is
Ian
I've
met
a
number
of
you
CEO
and
Habitat
GTA
and,
as
you
know,
Habitat
for
Humanity
as
a
charity.
So
as
such
a
major
source
of
the
funds
for
us
to
build
the
homes
we
build,
are
coming
from
private
donations
from
individuals
and
from
businesses
and
I
cannot
tell
you
the
number
of
conversations
I've
had
with
donors
where
they
express
first
surprise
and
then
disappointment
in
realizing
that,
on
average,
23%
of
the
cost
of
building
Habitat
homes
is
consumed
by
government
fees.
I
Not
all
of
them
are
municipal,
but
23%
by
government
fees.
Our
donors
are
surprised
to
learn
that
well,
affordable
housing,
rental
projects
in
Toronto,
experience,
relief
from
development
charges
and
other
fees
as
well
as
you're
reminded
today.
Affordable
ownership
organizations
like
Habitat
for
Humanity
pay
the
full
freight
they
find
it
counterintuitive
to
then
learn
that
the
formula
for
development
charges
actually
includes
a
component
of
for
affordable
housing,
and
yet
they
as
donors
are
paying
are
contributing
to
both
development
fees
to
build
affordable
houses.
I
Now
we
have
in
our
build
pipeline
land
opportunities
through
which
we
can
deliver
another
two
hundred
Habitat
homes
in
the
next
five
years.
The
development
charges
on
those
homes
at
the
current
rate
would
be
5.3
million
dollars
at
the
new
rate
will
be
ten
point:
five
million
dollars
and
again,
let's
be
clear-
that's
ten
point:
five
million
dollars
that
we
will
raise
from
private
donations
in
order
from
individuals
and
businesses
who
recognize
that
government
alone
can't
solve
the
unprecedent
problems
of
affordable
housing
fee.
I
The
city
now
to
quantify
the
impact
of
that
under
the
new
rates
for
every
six
Habitat
homes,
we
build
the
development
charges
on
those
homes
equate
to
a
seventh
home
that
we
will
not
be
able
to
build.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
talk
about
the
impact
of
when
we
build
a
Habitat
home.
What
does
that
do
for
us
as
a
city?
So,
as
you
know,
and
as
Heather
reminded
you
for
every
home
for
every
Habitat,
home
or
non-profit,
affordable
ownership
home,
we
build
we
free
up
a
much
needed,
affordable
rental
unit.
I
We
generate
new
property
taxes
which,
in
the
case
of
Habitat
homeowners,
now
equates
to
1.2
million
dollars
annually
from
habitat
owners.
In
the
GTA
we
create
a
publicly
funded
capital
maintenance
backlog
for
those
homes
of
zero,
because
the
families
themselves
are
responsible
for
maintaining
the
homes,
and
so
then,
if
we
flip
things
around
and
look
at
this
from
the
city's
vantage
point,
the
ten
point-
five
million
dollars
the
habitat-
will
pay
for
development
charges
in
the
next
five
years
represents
point
zero,
one
percent
less
than
point
zero.
I
So
we
are
asking
you
as
a
city
to
consider
a
freeze
on
development
charges
at
current
levels
or,
as
you
heard
from
our
counterpart,
a
deferral,
and
we
would
actually
encourage
you
use
this
opportunity
for
a
full
deferral
of
all
fees
and
similar
to
what
you
heard
before.
That
will
be
come
back
to
the
city
with
appreciation
later
so
there's
still
funds
for
infrastructure
down
the
road.
Yes,.
A
I
We
are
currently
building
this.
This
year
we
had
activity
on
your
way
on
about
50
homes
we
completed
about
30
homes.
We've
been
scaling
up
over
the
last
note,
some
several
years.
So
as
I
said,
we
have
200
homes
in
Toronto
to
build
in
the
next
five.
How
much
do
people
pay
for
those
things
Cardon
much
so
because
we're
a
charity,
a
CRA
guidelines
require
that
homeowners
are
buying
them
at
full
market
value.
So
currently
the
homes
were
selling
are
probably
averaging
about
$550,000
they're,
stacked
townhomes.
I
Again,
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
the
way
we
are
making
this
affordable
is.
We
habitat
are
also
the
mortgage
holder.
So
picking
up
in
some
of
the
questions
that
were
asked
by
councillor
Thompson
councillor
shiner
before
there's
a
cap
on
the
incomes
of
the
families
that
qualify
for
Habitat
homeowners
and
there's
a
mortgage
calculation,
so
that
the
mortgage
payment
for
them
is
always
affordable.
Issue
for
us
is
the
more
we
are
paying
as
habitat
to
build
those
homes,
the
fewer
homes.
O
I
I
The
end
of
20
years,
they
are
required,
then,
to
refinance
if
they
want
to
remain
in
the
home.
To
then
go
get
a
conventional
mortgage
to
refinance
or
they
can
sell
the
home
and
pay
us
out
of
the
proceeds.
Same
would
be
true,
for
if
there
was
a
deferred
development
charge
in
there
at
the
end
of
that
20
year
term,
that
would
become
due
so.
O
I
We
believe
the
rationale
and
economic
approach
here
is
a
deferral
so
that
the
city
is
getting
the
benefit
of
development
charges
for
infrastructure,
but
in
the
process
is
lowering
the
cost
of
delivering
homes
today,
so
that
we
can
deliver
more
homes
and
provide
more
relief
on
the
on
the
rental
supply
and
and
again
just
to
remind
you.
These
are
households
at
forty
five
thousand
50
thousand
dollars
of
employment
income.
Thirty-Eight
percent
of
them
are
living
in
subsidized
housing.
Today,
okay,.
N
I
Asking
for
a
deferral
for
non-profit
delivers
of
affordable
ownership,
housing
and
and
again
so
those
are
our
agents
that
are
providing
a
cap
on
the
income
and
and
I
think
your
questions
earlier
to
my
to
the
last
step
unit
was
was
getting
at
this
a
bit.
This
is
a
very
small
subset
of
the
of
the
total
residential
activity
that
will
be
out
there
right.
A
Cough
30
Channel
any
other
members
of
council
that
are
not
on
the
committee.
Okay,
members
of
the
committee
wishing
to
ask
questions
all
right.
Thank
you
to
the
deputy.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
continuing
work
as
well
in
the
community.
Much
appreciated!
I'm!
Sorry
did
you
have
a
question
all
right:
Thank,
You,
Darryl
Truong,
president
CEO
Greater,
Toronto,
Apartment,
Association,.
P
Morning,
mr.
mayor,
thank
you
committee
members.
As
you
know,
the
Greater
Toronto
Apartment
Association
represents
the
owners
and
managers
excuse
me
of
over
150,000
units
of
purpose-built
rental
in
the
Greater
Toronto
Area,
with
the
vast
majority
of
them
in
the
city
of
Toronto
I'm,
going
to
use
this
I
submitted
a
letter
as
well.
That's
probably
difficult
to
see
the
city.
P
The
Planning
Department
comes
out
every
year
with
how
does
the
city
grow
statute
and
if
you
can
see
the
numbers
or
refer
to
the
letter,
I
submitted
you'll
see
that
over
the
last
this
the
top
component
is
from
April
of
2017.
Over
the
last
five
years,
six
thousand
three
hundred
units
of
purpose-built
rental
were
built
in
Toronto.
That's
an
average
of
twelve
hundred
units
a
year,
and
if
you
slide
down
the
previous
block
of
a
few
years
and
I'm
sorry,
thats
out-of-focus
shows
the
same.
That's
the
city,
stat
I've,.
P
There's
exemptions
to
industrial
and
office
towers
for
DC's,
there's
exemptions
for
other
categories,
I'm
here
to
say
that
we
could
make
it
doable
with
probably
with
exemptions,
but
in
the
current
proposed
state.
If
you
look
at
these
numbers
and
then
you
double
the
DCs
on
these
projects,
you
can
look
at
downstream
from
here.
They'll
probably
be
zeros
across
the
board.
This
last
year's
1088
units
were
buried,
barely
doable
with
the
former
set
of
DCs
or
the
current
DC's.
P
When
you
double
them,
they're
gone,
so
it
really
depends
on
how
badly
the
city
wants
purpose-built
rental
I
know
you
have
a
program
in
place
for
through
the
open
door
program
for
affordable
I'm,
requesting
that
you
take
a
serious
look
at
expanding
the
parameters
of
that
to
get
to
mid
market
rental
and
just
to
remind
you
that
today's
mid
market
rental
is
tomorrow's
affordable
units.
Most
of
the
units
in
Toronto
today
that
were
built
in
the
60s
and
70s
we're
at
the
high
end
and
now
there's
some
of
the
most
affordable
units
across
the
city.
P
So
we
I'd
be
looking
for
some
exemptions
or
these
discounts
on
DC's.
Maybe
look
at
changing
the
formula
right
now.
It's
a
lynnie
formulas.
So
if
you
look
at
the
incent
of
the
difference
between
a
two-bedroom
unit
and
a
one-bedroom
unit,
it's
almost
double
and
you
wonder
why
people
only
build
one-bedroom
units
here.
The
challenge
is
that
they're,
not
enough
family
size
units,
but
it's
it's
counterintuitive.
You
pay
a
whole
lot
more
to
get
to
a
second
bedroom
as
a
developer.
P
Section
37
I
would
suggest
that
purpose-built
rental
is
a
community
benefit
and
should
be
availed
all
the
benefits
of
such
property
taxes.
There's
an
imit
eligibility
program
that
you
have
yours
on.
It's
item
number
six
today
I'm
on
the
deputies
list,
I'm
not
going
to
speak
I'm
just
gonna
say
what
I
was
going
to
say
then
expand
apartments
as
a
eligible
use
of
land
for
to
qualify
for
Imus
I'll.
A
N
You
mayor
and
Thank
You
mr.
Chong
for
coming
in
I
believe
we
have
a
letter
here
from
you
as
well:
I'm
gonna,
try
and
work
backwards
here.
You
would
agree
with
me
that
the
market
determines
the
price
and
I'm
not
talking
rental
right
now,
but
you
would
agree
with
me
that
the
market
determines
the
price
of
a
home.
Ultimately
I'm.
P
N
P
N
No
I
understand
I'm
just
trying
to
because
as
an
apartment
owner
or
when
you
were
bill,
you'd
be
buying
land
at
market
value.
Is
that
correct?
Absolutely?
Okay?
So,
given
that
you,
you
agree
with
me
that
the
market
determines
the
price
of
a
home,
it's
safe,
to
say
that
a
developer
simply
can't
just
add
that
you
know
extra
twenty
or
thirty
thousand
dollars
onto
the
price
they
have
to
somehow
figure
out.
N
P
N
But
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
that
if
development
charges
increase,
the
only
thing
that
happens
is
raw.
The
price
of
raw
land
goes
down.
Do
you
agree
or
not
agree
with
that
statement?
So,
in
essence,
you,
as
a
as
a
builder
of
apartment
buildings,
would
given
that
you're
paying
in
the
market
would
pay
less
for
land.
That's
the
only
variable
cost
when
you
as
an
apartment
builder,
build
your
construction
costs,
are
the
same.
Your
softs
are
the
same.
Your
hard
costs
are
the
same.
N
The
only
thing
in
order
for
you
to
build-
and
it's
it's
somewhat
similar
to
the
two
for
profit
development-
is
that
your
variable
cost
is
land.
Is
it
not
like
in
Mississauga
and
Brampton,
and
in
Oakville
concrete
is
the
same
price?
Labor
is
the
same
price.
The
only
difference
is
the
variable
cost
its
land.
Is
that
correct
I?
Don't.
N
P
A
O
You,
mr.
mayor,
a
quick
question,
so
you're
you're,
the
president
and
CEO
of
the
Greater
Toronto
Apartment
Association,
is
that
that
go
beyond
Toronto's
borders.
Does
that
include
Mississauga
and
Richard?
So
what's
the
apartment
building?
What's
the
apartment
construction
market
like
in
Mississauga.
O
K
P
Rental
is
based
on
the
average
market
rents
using
the
CMHC's
tables.
The
problem
with
that
table
is
they
take.
They
calculate
all
the
rents
of
buildings
that
were
largely
built
before
1975
and
say
this
is
the
average
rent
for
40
year
old
product,
and
if
you
want
to
qualify
for
affordable
today,
you
have
to
be
at
that
average
or
below
40
year
old
front.
K
P
P
K
K
P
K
K
Do
you
so
okay,
and
then
that
leads
me
to
my
last
question:
do
you
see
a
benefit
in
high-end
rental?
Like
should
council
be
differentiating
so
with
these
development
charges
that
proposed
increases
I
mean
I?
Think
most
of
council
would
get
their
head
around
hold
on
for
second,
most
of
their
head
would
get
their
head
around
some
deferral
or
whatever
the
case
is
for
lower
cost
rental
units.
But
do
you
see?
Was
it
your
proposition
that,
even
if
you're
building
purpose-built
rental
at
five
thousand
dollars
for
a
two-bedroom
that
you
should
also
no.
P
E
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
back
to
councillors,
Chanos
line
of
questioning
regarding
the
increasing
development
fees
and
putting
downward
pressure
on
property
values.
My
sense
is
that
many
of
the
purpose-built
rentals
now
are
being
built
on
large
parcels
of
land,
long
paid
for
and
debt-free
and
we're
intensifying
existing
parcels.
We're
not
actually
we're
not
actually
looking
for
new
land
to
to
develop
a
lot
of
these
purpose-built
rentals.
So
the
logic
that
that
prices
will
go
down
doesn't
really
affect
today's
market
trends
is
that
is
that
something
you've?
E
P
Just
basically
saying,
if
you
look
at
the
numbers,
you
barely
build
any
now
doubling
the
DC's
will
result
in
probably
none
so
I
mean
it's
it's
very
much.
How
badly
do
you
want
it?
We
were
hardly
doing
any
and
if
you
sincerely
wanted
that
you
might
want
to
look
at
some
other
incentives,
and
this
is
not
the
be-all
and
end-all
DC's,
just
a
straight
deferral
of
DC's
won't
be
enough.
We'd
have
to
take
in
IMed
some
section
37.
P
P
The
risk
is
borne
by
the
developer:
there's
no
pre
sale
of
anything.
So
you
need
to
borrow
money
to
buy
land.
If
you
have
land
that
helps,
but
then
you
need
a
construction
loan
which
you're
gonna
have
to
come
up
with.
Third
of
that,
at
least
on
your
own,
without
any
pre-sales,
without
any
contracts
and
had
to
take
to
a
lending
institution,
it
is
challenging
yeah,
okay,.
A
G
Just
a
quick
question:
I
mean
I've,
seen
this
chart
before,
but
I
was
very
curious
to
see
that
on
urban
ation
they
actually
come
out
and
say
that
there's
about
6,000
units
under
construction
right
now,
which
might
sound
like
a
lot.
And
it's
it's
good
that
that
number
is
up
there.
But
we
still
need
more
correct.
P
P
G
So
I
think
there's
there's
clearly
a
conversation
that
needs
to
happen
between
the
team
and
that
we're
just
going
into
consultants.
So
I
think
that
you
would
welcome
to
work
with
city
staff
on
seeing
how
the
impact
of
this
the
these
increase
would
have
in
the
industry.
Can
we
count
on
you
to
have
that
kind
of
conversation?
Absolutely.
G
I
understand
that
very
often
you
ask
for
the
deferrals,
but
I've
also
heard
something
that
one
of
the
major
issues
on
rental
is
cash
flow
that
you
will
you
know
when
you
build
a
condo,
you
go
in
you,
put
your
money,
get
your
money
out
and
off
you
go
the
expenses.
When
you
build
a
rental
building,
is
you
know
it
takes
a
lot
longer?
You
have
to
have
more
decide.
Oh,
God,
exactly
over
a
long
period
of
time,
would
a
program
that
would
help
you
with
that
in
the
city.
A
phasing
in
approach.
P
G
P
A
B
You
mister
mister,
Shawn,
I,
think
we.
We
can
agree
that
ever
since
the
introduction
of
rent
controls
that,
through
very
little
rental
buildings
being
built
on
the
high
end,
we
know
that
the
secondary
market,
that
is
to
say
the
construction
of
the
construction
of
condominiums
and
then
a
lot
of
the
condominium
units,
are
rented
out.
That's
really
the
supply
of
the
rental
at
the
higher
end,
a
purpose-built
rental
housing,
that's
all
channel
through
the
affordable
housing,
and
then
there
are
all
sorts
of
incentives
available
there.
So
I
guess!
B
My
question
is
this:
given
that
development
charges
that
apply
today
to
rental
units
or
to
rental
buildings
and
given
the
payback
over
long
period
of
time,
as
enunciated
by
councilor
by
thou,
what
kind
of
an
impact
from
an
incentive
point-of-view
will
a
doubling
of
a
development
charge
have
on
the
supply
of
that
kind
of
housing
if
it's
not
being
supplied
today?
How
does
a
doubling
of
exactly.
P
P
B
You
say
1200
year,
you've
seen
in
Toronto,
City
of
Toronto
has
been
building
1,200
rental
units
does
that
include
affordable
rental
units
or
just
everything:
okay,
I'm,
trying
to
differentiate
between
the
two
categories.
What
I'm
saying
is,
if
you
take
away
the
affordable
units
that
are
being
built,
the
purpose-built
rental
units,
how
many
actual
rental
units
have
been
built
over
the
last
decade.
P
B
P
B
You're,
getting
to
and
I
pre
hear
what
you're
saying
so
now
we're
talking
about.
If
somebody
owns
a
lot
of
properties
where
they
have
rental
housing
and
because
they
had
a
let's
say
from
30
40
years
ago,
and
we
look
at
intensification
of
those
sites
where
they
add
additional
rental
buildings
on
a
site
that
has
rental
buildings
where
they
already
own
the
land
and
maybe
maybe
that's
so.
What
kind
of
an
impact
does
the
doubling
of
development
charges
have
on
those
people
forget
about
somebody
acquiring
land
and
building
rental
buildings?
P
So,
even
in
those
cases-
and
that's
the
even
right
now-
that's
the
case-
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
land
owners,
a
lot
of
the
apartment
owners,
own
land
for
infill
opportunities
and
the
numbers
that
they're
building
are
still
right
here.
They're
still
not
building
numbers
still
don't
work
in
the
doubling
of
DC's
kill.
The
1,200
includes.
P
That
we
sit
down
and
earnest
and
get
together
with
perhaps
the
mayor
and
and
staff
to
look
at
this
is
the
wish
list
that
I've
bulleted
to
see
how
we
could
take
the
the
bones
of
the
open
door
program
and
morph
them
a
little
bit.
Not
the
full
exemptions
that
you
give
for
affordable,
but
morph
them
a
little
bit
and
and
look
at
extending
that
to
what
we
called
mid
market,
affordable.
P
P
H
That
lemme
lemme
partial
exemption,
okay,
so
you're
talking
about
identifying
a
section
that
currently
isn't
identified.
So
if
you
fit
in
the
affordable
category,
you
have
a
program
if
you're
wealthy.
You
have
a
program
because
you
have
your
own
money
if
you're
not
wealthy
and
you're
in
that
middle
market
and
you're,
making
over
that
eighty
thousand
dollars
a
year
as
a
family,
you're
saying
you
have
a
problem
and
you're
looking
to
help
there.
H
P
H
P
A
Q
My
name
is
how
we
pass
quits.
I
am
director
of
development
for
starlit
investments.
I
would
like
to
start
by
commending
this
council.
It's
done
to
encourage
new
rental
development,
I'm,
proud
to
played
a
role
in
contributing
over
2,000
new
rental
units
over
the
past
several
years
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
In
my
opinion,
this
proposed
increase
will
have
a
very
detrimental
impact
on
new
rental
construction.
Q
The
rental
housing
supply
issue
is
a
supply
and
demand
issue,
and
that
means
that
more
than
just
a
handful
of
some
very
valuable,
affordable
housing
projects
are
required
to
address
it.
We
need
to
increase
the
supply
of
rentals
at
all
levels,
as
I
think
some
of
my
colleagues
have
mentioned
for
this
I
would
ask
that
council
would
consider
establishing
a
new
asset
class
which,
within
the
development
charge,
which
would
allow
for
some
form
of
a
discount
or
reduction
on
the
amount
of
development
charges
required
to
be
paid
for
new
rental
housing
like
every
investment
decision.
Q
It's
a
balance
of
risk
and
reward
I
think
we're
starting
to
see,
as
the
cranes
are
showing
and
new
rental
housing
is
coming
on
stream,
that
that
balance
is
slowly
tilting
to
make
it
worthwhile
to
invest
in
that
sector.
I
believe
with
this
new
proposed
DC
increase
that
trickle
is
going
to
come
to
a
halt
and
there
won't
be
any
new
rental
construction
other
than
potentially
at
the
very
high
end.
I
do
have
some
numbers
here.
It's
that
I
can
I'm
happy
to
share
the
numbers
behind
the
numbers
with
you.
Q
I
took
two
projects
that
we're
looking
at
right
now:
ones
in
North,
York,
infill
project
ones
in
Tobago,
infill
projects.
So
therefore,
there's
no
cost
of
land
here
at
all
and
when
I
run
the
numbers
and
again
I'm
happy
to
share
the
numbers
behind
these
numbers
with
you,
the
DC
increase
on
both
projects
is
about
five
million
dollars
and,
as
you
can
see,
that
is,
most
people
have
required
investment
threshold
for
the
North
York
project.
We
have
to
hit
a
5.0
1%
return
under
the
current
DC
regime.
Q
We
can
actually
make
five
point
one
seven
percent,
so
we're
not
talking
astronomical
returns,
but
we're
talking
a
return
that
would
justified
doing
the
project
when
I
run
the
numbers
and
look
at
the
proposed
DC
increase
of
over
five
million
I'm
down
at
four
point:
one
six
percent,
which
makes
this
project
a
no-go.
So,
instead
of
the
city,
getting
an
increase
of
five
million
dollars
in
DC's
they'll,
actually
cost
the
city,
the
initial
5
million
dollars
that
I
was
looking
to
put
in
to
this
project
Etobicoke.
Q
Similarly
slightly
older,
lower
return
acquired
there
too,
at
blink,
brings
me
below
the
required
threshold
in
order
to
move
forward
on
this
investment
and
that
projects
actually
already
in
the
rezoning
process.
So
that's
a
real
project
that,
at
this
point,
cannot
go
forward.
What
I'm
requesting
is
your
consideration
that
we
examined
the
opportunity
our
ways
to
bring
in
a
new
asset
class
for
new
rental
I've
heard
some
concerns
that
how
do
you
secure
tenure?
It's
something!
That's
being
done
now
with
section
37
agreements,
all
the
affordable
housing
projects,
I've
done
are
also
secured
on
title.
Q
C
Yes,
so
you're
not
asking
that
we
make
no
change
not
ever,
but
but
your
concern
is,
is
exactly
this
purpose-built
rental
is
there?
Is
there
room
to
sit
down
with
the
growing
community
if
people
are
now
interested
in
in
purpose-built
rental,
to
find
some
balance
between
DCs
and
achieving
what
we
want
to
achieve
in
terms
of
inclusionary
zoning,
affordable
rental
is:
are
you
you're
offering
to
come
to
that
table
as
well?
Absolutely.
Q
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
tools
that
you
can
put
in
your
toolbox
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
a
great
idea
to
find
a
way
to
make
this
work
I'm,
not
trying
to
suggest
that
growth
shouldn't
pay
for
growth,
I
agree
with
staff,
but
there
needs
to
be
a
balance
and
I
think
these
are
only
two
examples
and
again
I'm
happy
to
share
all
these
numbers
with
whoever
wants
more
information.
These
projects
cannot
proceed
if
the
current
proposed
DC
goes
through.
So.
C
We
could
use
a
number
of
formulas
if,
if
the
legislation
permits
so
that,
if
we
were
looking
at
the
difference
between
you
know
a
building
that
can
hold
250
units
versus
you
know,
you're
talking
about
purpose-built,
townhouse
rental,
that
we
have
almost
zero
of
that.
So
we
can
achieve
affordable
rental
there.
We
can
achieve
relief
for
some
families,
so
some
balance
between
housing
types,
development
charges
and
our
inclusionary
zoning
ambitions
is
something
you'd
be
willing
to
look
at
I.
Q
C
Q
The
moment
and
I
think
there's
there's
ways
to
achieve
all
these
goals.
Like
the
inclusionary
zoning,
the
inclusionary
zoning,
which
my
understanding
would
be
a
certain
number
of
units
within
buildings,
these
buildings
can't
go
ahead.
So
I,
don't
know,
you
know
I
think
we
would
completely
miss
our
goal
of
providing
inclusionary
zoning
Thank.
M
N
Q
Are
infill
projects?
These
are
buildings
that
were
built
several
years
ago
and,
while
probably,
if
you
want
it
to
be
really
accurate,
you'd
have
to
allocate
a
portion
of
what
that
land
cost
was
to
these
new
projects.
In
this
case,
I've
run
these
numbers
putting
all
the
land
cost
on
the
existing
buildings.
Why.
N
Would
you
do
that
by
doing
that
you're
just
coming
here
and
showing
us
you're
not
making
any
money
when
in
fact,
you're
taking
land
that
you've
probably
paid
300,000
an
acre
and
now
you're
selling
it
for
300,000
a
lot?
So
why
don't
you
show
us
the
tens
of
millions
you're
making
on
the
land
costs
I'm.
Q
Not
I'm
not
selling
these-
these
are
rental
and
I
think.
Actually
these
numbers
would
be
even
worse.
So
if
I
was
able
to
achieve
a
five
point,
one
seven
percent
return
before
that
would
only
get
lower
because
my
cost
would
go
up
so
in
this
case
and
that
North
York
project
I'd
have
to
allocate
several
million
dollars
to
my
costs,
which
would
make
my
return
e
and
even
more
negligible,
but.
N
But
the
market
right
now
so
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
2017.
According
to
urban
nation
27,500,
purpose-built
rentals
were
in
the
planning
department.
Look
as
proposed
27,500.
Are
you
saying
all
those
proposed
units
had
land
that
was
already
in
the
inventory
they're
going
out
and
buying
market
land?
Aren't
they
no.
N
Apartment
and
they're
making
money
at
or
they
wouldn't
do
it
is
that
correct
I
would
imagine
most
people
wouldn't
do
it
if
they
weren't
making
money.
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
that.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
development
charges
and
I
think
this
committee
understands
there's
going
to
be
a
transition
period
for
those
who
are
already
in
the
application
process,
but
starting
tomorrow,
if
we
implement
this
and
we
double
development
charges,
would
you
pay
the
same
amount
for
land?
Q
Q
N
Are
saying
people
that
compete
with
you
to
build
rental
are
paying
a
hundred
one
hundred
a
quarter,
one
hundred
fifty
per
lot
or
per
unit
for
the
land
so
you're,
not
because
you
already
own
it.
So
when
you
show
us
that
you're
only
making
four
percent
on
your
development
side
you're
making
millions
so
why
shouldn't
like
who's
gonna
pay
the
infrastructure
costs
of
this
city
as
we
grow?
If
we're
deferring
these
costs
for
everybody,
these
are.
Q
A
C
Through
you,
mr.
mayor,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
for
attending
today
and
for
your
deputation,
because
I
think
all
of
us
want
to
assist
your
company
and
others
to
build
rental
housing
and
certainly
ones
that
meet
our
affordability
targets
and
you'd
said
earlier
that
you
believe
in
growth
should
pay
for
growth.
So
if
we
gave
say
these
examples
and
I
know
they're,
one
of
them
is
pretty
small
example,
but
if,
in
general
we
gave
their
rental
when
you're
building
rental,
we
gave
you
say
an
exemption.
C
If
growth
is
supposed
to
pay
for
growth-
and
you
don't
pay,
the
DC
is
that
pay
for
growth,
so
you're
not
paying
for
growth?
Doesn't
that
mean
that
all
the
people
who
are
in
the
existing
neighborhood
will
look
up
at
your
rental
building
and
say
those
are
the
Pete?
That's
the
property
owner
that
we're
subsidizing
so
that
that
company
could
make
a
higher
profit
on
land.
That's
next
to
our
community.
C
Q
Think
that's
a
very
good
question.
I
think.
Firstly,
I
would
start
by
saying
I'm
not
asking
for
a
complete
waiver
of
all
DC's
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
ways.
The
DC's
can
be
used
to
incentivize
growth
that
wouldn't
otherwise
happen
by
letting
us
build
these
new
apartment
buildings,
the
city's
revenues
will
increase
through
property
taxes,
whereas
if
these
projects
don't
go
ahead,
there
won't
be
those
increased
property
taxes,
I
think
I'm
looking
to
find
perhaps
a
balance
between
growth,
paying
for
growth
and
charging
the
growth
industry.
Q
So
much
that
there
is
no
growth
I,
we
do
it
with
affordable
housing.
I
think
that's!
A
very
valid
use.
I
participated
in
a
few
programs.
A
couple
counselors
here
know
of
where
I
was
before
and
what
we
did.
There's
no
reason
to
say
that
there
shouldn't
be
some
form
of
payment
for
these
dcs,
I'm
not
suggesting
it's
zero.
Zero
should
stick
with
the
affordable
housing
that
shouldn't
be
offered
to
everyone
across
the
board.
Q
So
I
guess
my
answer
is:
there's
a
balance
and
while
growth
should
pay
for
growth,
there
comes
a
point.
There's
a
critical
point.
Where
there's
a
tipping
point
where
there
will
be
no
more
new
rental
added
to
the
city,
some
people
may
still
go
ahead.
I
know
that
these
two
examples
will
have
to
suck
these
projects
right.
C
C
Q
Well
I'll
answer
that
by
saying
they're
paying
for
the
services
that
these
new
residents
are
using,
which
is
in
some
form
of
growth
paying
for
growth,
you're,
providing
new
services,
because
there's
new
residents
we're
paying
the
property
taxes
to
compensate
for
the
additional
services
required
for
those
residents.
Okay,
thank.
O
Okay,
please
a
quick
question
with
no
preamble.
So
just
tell
me
tell
me
why
I'm
wrong
if
you
buy
a
piece
of
property
and
you're
hit
with
these
two
in
charges,
you're
just
gonna,
raise
your
prices.
You're
just
gonna,
raise
your
rents
and
pass
along
to
consumer.
That's
what
that's
what
happens
in
the
rest
of
the
consumer
world!
It.
Q
Happens
in
the
rest
of
the
consumer
world,
but
at
some
point
because
of
supply
and
demand,
we
will
not
be
able
to
achieve
the
rents
that
we
would
have
to
charge
in
order
to
make
up
for
the
development
charges.
So
I
can't
build
a
building
at
even
the
nicest
part
of
town
and
just
add
a
thousand
dollars
a
month
that
and
still
rent
that
unit
out
all.
O
Q
O
Must
you
must
do
all
of
these
calculations
based
on
what
we're
paying
now,
what
you're
paying
now?
You
must
do
all
of
these
calculations
to
how
much
that
factors
into
the
price
of
a
unit,
and
then
you
charge
either
sixteen
hundred
dollars
or
two
thousand
dollars
a
month
am
I'm
suggesting
to
you
all
you're
gonna
do
is
you're
gonna
pass
along
this,
just
as
you
do
other
costs
so.
Q
I
would
suggest
I
think
sort
of
two
things
there.
One
is
the
truth,
is
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
any
landlord
when
they
charge
their
rent
is
actually
looking
at
every
individual
component
as
to
what
comes
what
makes
that
rent
I
think
just
like
with
all
other
products.
If
the
market
can
bear
it,
you'll
charge
it
exactly
well,
I,
don't
think
the
market
can
bear
it
and
and
I
think
in
that
case,
then,
really.
Q
What
we're
doing
here
is
we're
punishing
the
people
of
Toronto
that
need
good
quality
rental
housing
and
what
I've
just
done
is
across
the
board
of
the
city
is
I've
increased
the
market
price
of
all
rental
and
I.
Don't
know
that,
that's
the
outcome
that
the
city
is
looking
for.
Okay,
that's,
fine!
Okay,.
O
A
E
You
mr.
Marin,
thank
you
hard
for
coming
in
just
following
up
very
quickly
on
councillor
Campbell's
comments.
The
just
pass
it
on
isn't
the
most
common
theme
today
in
today.
It's
real
estate
market
and
housing
is
affordability
and
the
last
thing
we
want
our
developers
passing
it
on
I
think
so
so
when
it
comes
to
counselor
to
Chanos
comments
that
who's
going
to
pay
for
the
infrastructure,
if
you
get
I
guess
a
waiver
on
on
development
charges
isn't
most
of
the
infrastructure
there.
Q
I
agree
with
that
statement
and
I
think
I
think
that's
an
important
point,
which
is
that,
for
the
most
part
we're
part
new
apartment
buildings
are
going
is
where
transit
infrastructure
already
exists
for
the
most
part,
renters
use
public
transit
and
so
really
the
best
places
to
put
these
buildings
or
places
where
infrastructure
perhaps
already
exists.
The
cost
of
upgrading
that
infrastructure
typically
falls
on
the
developer.
We
don't
get,
we
don't
just
come
to
the
city
and
say
you
know,
please
give
us
a
better
sewer
and.
E
E
Q
A
A
Q
R
You
mr.
Mehra,
thank
you
for
the
chance
to
give
this
presentation.
My
name
is
Martin
Irwin
I'm
with
the
Mimico
lakeshore
community
network
and
we're
here
to
express
the
thought
that
we
in
favour
increase
development
by
increasing
development
charges
by
no
less
than
the
amount
of
momentum
recommended
in
the
report
from
the
interim
chief
financial
officer,
and
we
would
recommend
a
phasing
in
period
of
about
six
months.
R
We
think
this
would
give
people
whose
land
is
already
in
the
pipeline
a
sufficient
time
to
adjust
instituting
a
full
amount
recommended
in
this
report
is
particularly
important
in
view
of
the
announcement
by
the
provincial
government
that
the
province
will
found
only
40%
of
the
subsidy
for
affordable
housing.
The
city
is
going
to
be
on
the
hook
for
60%.
We
find
in
table
11
in
the
city's
background
report
that
the
development
charge
on
a
large
apartment
that
will
be
a
devoted
to
affordable
housing
is
to
increase
from
eight
hundred
thirty
dollars
to
4049
I.
R
Don't
know
whether
that
will
be
anywhere
near
enough
for
the
affordable
housing
of
the
city
so
desperately
needs
both
housing
for
purchases
and
affordable
rental
housing.
But
I
will
certainly
need
every
penny
of
that
four
thousand
dollars
to
face
the
crisis
over
affordable
housing
that
the
city
knows,
though,
doesn't
know
face.
R
R
It's
pointed
out
that
the
primary
impact
of
increasing
development
charges
is
to
put
downward
pressure
on
the
value
of
properties
redevelopment
just
as
counselor
Deanna
was
saying
that,
because
developers
can't
simply
raise
the
selling
price
of
new
houses
and
apartments,
if
you
want
to
stay
competitive,
they
don't
want
to
settle
for
a
lesser
profit
margin,
so
they
lower
their
bids
for
land.
That's
right
for
redevelopment.
What
does
this
mean?
R
It
means
that
the
golden
egg
laying
goose
that
will
suffer
from
increased
development
for
charges
is
not
the
goose
that
lays
eggs
of
new
revenue
for
the
city.
It's
the
goose
that
legs
eggs,
a
profit
for
investors
who
invested
in
real
estate
and
speculating
in
real
estate,
well
that
goose,
well
she's
not
going
to
be
killed,
not
so
long
as
we
have
such
a
strongly
speculative
market
in
land
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
but
it
really
real
harm
at
all
if
that
goose
is
put
on
a
diet
and
slimmed
down
a
little
bit.
R
Secondly,
it's
worth
pointing
out
that
the
city
does
protect
services
that
are
vital
to
the
well-being
of
the
community,
even
when
that
means
restricting
rises
in
land
values
not
long
ago
planning
a
growth
management
committee
in
this
very
room
was
considering
the
flight
paths
that
are
used
by
helicopters,
bringing
critically
ill
patients
to
hospitals
in
downtown
Toronto.
We
learned
that
lawyers
for
some
property
owners
had
some
doubts
about
this.
What
is
the
delay
they
discussion?
A
I've
to
stop
you
there
and
just
say
we'll
see
if
there
are
some
questions,
because
the
three
minutes
are
passed
by.
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
some
questions
of
this
deputy,
ok,
I'm,
sorry,
sir?
We
just
have
to
keep
moving,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
the
submission
I
appreciate
that
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
Joe,
Dechaine
Smith,
Trillium,
Housing
nonprofit.
S
A
nonprofit
that
delivers
ownership,
housing
similar
to
habitat
and
an
options
that
you
heard
from
earlier
I'll
just
give
a
little
differentiator
we're
really
focused
on
the
financing
of
income
eligible
families.
If
you
think
in
your
head
of
your
next-door
neighbor,
where
do
they
have
their
first
mortgage?
You
don't
know
at
our
developments,
because
our
financing
is
through
the
civilian
mortgage.
S
You
don't
know
which
units
may
have
a
second
mortgage
support
or
not,
and
we
think
that's
a
real,
valid
differentiator
I'm
going
to
put
aside
the
prepared
notes,
because
Dean
and
Heather
he's
from
the
nonprofit,
affordable
ownership
sector,
I've
already
gone
over
most
of
the
reasons
why
a
deferral
of
development
charges
would
be
appropriate.
I'm
just
gonna
build
on
that.
S
Instead,
we
are
accessing
the
hope
program
and
have
done
so
at
our
most
recent
project
in
counselor
to
George
rose
riding
the
loop
and
delivering
that
support,
and
it's
fantastic,
but
the
it
was
the
plan
B
when
it
was
set
up
about
eight
years
ago.
At
the
time,
our
preference
was
to
have
a
deferral
program,
and
this
ties
back
to
the
presentation
earlier,
where
you
saw
industrial
and
commercial
and
they
have
their
waiver.
S
The
advantage
they
have
in
that
in
situation
is
they
can
look
at
a
site
and
run
their
pro
forma
and
know
in
their
pro
forma.
The
number
is
zero.
If
I
look
at
a
site
and
I
have
looked
at
many
sites
in
Toronto,
including
the
loop
I
have
to
put
in
the
full
DC
cost
and
I
have
to
make
my
bid
on
the
site
based
on
funding
that
full
DC
cost
I
do
not
know,
and
many
many
months
later,
whether
I
will
get
support
from
hope
and
whether
there
will
be
additional
support
available
and
I.
S
Don't
know
how
much
is
available
if
you
moved
the
decision
to
have
that
funding
built
into
the
DC
bylaw.
Just
like
you
do
for
the
providers
of
new
a
part
of
office
buildings,
industrial
on
a
deferral
basis,
then
our
nonprofits-
and
it's
only
a
few
of
us-
would
have
the
ability
to
build
that
into
the
land
purchase
process
where
we
can
say:
okay,
I'm,
not
paying
$50,000
a
door
DC's.
S
It's
flowed
through
to
the
affordability
component
and
I
have
a
competitive
advantage
to
acquire
the
appropriate
sites
for
entry-level
housing
producing
units
according
to
your
own
programs
below
the
median
house
price
in
Toronto.
Right
now,
it's
about
900,000,
but
we
get
below
that
and
selling
them
to
families
below
the
median
income
which
right
now
the
threshold
I'm.
Sorry
900,000
was
the
price
point
90,000
at
the
loop
and
we
sold
these
units
in
July
we
did
62
townhouses
the
average
price
above
400
40,000
33
purchasers
are
receiving
Trillium
mortgages.
S
The
average
was
mortgage
is
about
a
hundred
thousand,
including
some
Hope
dollars
of
about
twenty
to
twenty-five
thousand
per.
That
saves
them
on
a
monthly
basis.
Four
hundred
and
eighty
dollars
a
month
if
they
had
gone
out
and
financed
that
the
average
income
there
is
66
thousand
a
year
for
those
home
purchasers,
they're
mixed
in
the
whole
unit
that
that
income
by
the
way
is
similar
to
the
income
of
the
open
door,
rental,
where
you're
providing
a
similar
grant
subsidy.
So
using
the
deferral.
Yes,
I'm.
Sorry.
S
S
S
S
Or
do
we
do
a
partnership
model
with
developers
and
so
we're
looking
for
good
developers
of
entry-level
product
okay,
and
we
would
don't
do
the
entire
project
for
our
purchasers
we'll
do
in
the
loop
it
was
over
50%
we
could
be
doing
20%.
It
really
depends
on
how
much
funding
we
have
available
in
the
projects
were
involved.
S
I
believe
Hamilton
is
higher
and
the
city
there
is
working
with
us
to
provide
DC
relief.
They
have
a
policy
in
place.
It
was
really
written
for
rental,
but
they've
agreed
that
we
meet
the
criteria
and
we're
working
with
them
to
try
and
deliver
it
on
the
ownership
side,
which
will
give
us
exactly
the
benefits
I
talked
about
it's
coming
in
after
the
fact
after
we're
acquired
the
land.
That's
been
thanking
that.
A
F
I'll
be
very
brief
in
aid
the
committee
has
in
front
of
it
a
letter.
My
colleague,
Cynthia
mcdougal,
wrote
we're
here
to
express
concerns
on
behalf
of
Ryerson
University
staff
indicated
that
the
university
exemption
is
to
be
continued.
However,
staff
has
recommended
to
council
that
the
exemption
for
university
residences
not
be
continued.
F
That
would
have
significant
implications
for
students,
the
model
at
Ryerson
and
I
suspect.
The
model
generally
is
such
that
there
is
no
provincial
support
financial
support
for
student
residences
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
most
people
who
live
in
residences
are
first-year
students,
so
the
implications
will
be
a
dollar-for-dollar
passed
through
of
the
DC's
down
to
the
students.
F
A
A
N
You
mayor
and
thank
you
for
your
deputation
just
one
question
for
you:
we've
heard
a
lot
from
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders
today
with
respect
to
why
we
should
be
deferring
development
charges,
but
in
a
growing
city
like
the
city
of
Toronto,
where
we're
growing
leaps
and
bounds,
as
you
saw
through
the
proposal
who
ultimately
then,
is
going
to
pay
for
the
infrastructure
required
to
live
in
a
sustainable,
healthy
City.
Who
should
pay
well.
F
You
know
asking
that's
essentially
a
political
or
moral
questions
or
asking
a
lawyer.
One
of
those
questions
might
might.
But
if
you,
if
you
want
my
answer,
we
we
all
have
to
pay
and
you
folks
have
an
extraordinarily
tough
job,
there's
no
free
lunch,
so
one
way
or
the
other.
The
question
is:
should
some
people
pay
a
little
more
than
others?
Should
some
of
us
who
are
perhaps
more
fortunate
pay
a
little
more
than
than
others
and
I
can
tell
you
is
an
aging
baby
boomer
when
I
look
at
university
students
I?
F
A
You,
sir,
very
much
okay,
now
I
just
want
to
call
again
the
name
of
Michael
Shelley,
because
Michael
Shelley
was
listed
to
appear
in
this
item
and
has
not
answered
earlier
on
when
his
name
was
called
Michael,
Shelley,
alright,
and
because
this
is
a
developed,
a
special
statutorily
required
hearing.
It
has
to
prescribe
to
certain
rules.
Is
there
anybody
else
in
the
room?
Who
was
not
on
the
list?
Who
wishes
to
be
heard
on
this.
K
It's
the
ground
floors
that
are
really
being
hurt
by
I
guess,
mainly
increasing
property
values
or
whatever
the
root
causes
are
and
as
the
population
density
in
the
city
increases.
What's
actually
happening
to
commercial
districts
is
that
the
ground
floor
is
becoming
a
premium,
is
becoming
very
expensive
for
anybody
to
run
either
an
office
or
retail
at
ground
floor.
A
T
Hi,
my
name
is
AJ
Withers
and
I
think
that
anyone
that
is
making
any
kind
of
developments
in
the
city
right
now
should
be
paying.
We
have
a
homelessness
crisis,
as
the
members
of
the
Executive
refused
to
come
outside
and
listen
to
the
people.
Making
speeches
earlier
didn't
hear.
880
beds
is
insufficient
over
three
years.
We
need
at
least
a
thousand,
but
actually
in
1,500
beds
this
year
we
need
them.
Now.
T
770
people
slept
in
the
emergency
respite
sites
the
night
before
last.
We
need
much
more
resources
dedicated
to
homeless
people.
Those
who
have
homes
should
be
paying
a
little
bit
more
for
the
people,
who
are
the
most
marginalized
on
this
in
this
city,
and
this
executive
has
the
choice
to
actually
dedicate
resources
to
actually
push
staff
to
open
the
beds
that
we
need.
We
heard
today,
someone
died
in
Seaton
house,
we're
hearing
of
devastating
tragedies
day
in
and
day
out,
in
the
respite
sites,
on
the
streets
and
in
the
shelters
that
are
over
capacity.
T
We
understand
that
it
takes
time
to
open
those
shelters,
which
is
why
we've
been
coming
to
you
for
years,
telling
you
about
this
crisis,
telling
you
that
we
need
things
opened
and
now
to
be
told
that
they
can't
be
opened
overnight.
We
know
that
that's
why
we've
been
telling
you
for
years,
it's
it's
on
you.
You
need
to
pass
in
this
coming
budget
more
beds.
We
need
at
least
a
thousand.
We
need
15
this
year,
not
over
three
years.
T
So
if
that
money
comes
out
of
developers,
that's
great,
it
can
come
anywhere,
but
we
need
the
best.
You
refuse
to
hear
us
outside.
That
was
us
being
polite
by
the
way
not
coming
in.
That's
how
we
do
things
sometimes
we're
polite.
We
chose
to
be
nice.
If
we
don't
get
the
beds,
we
can't
be
nice.
We
can't
watch
the
people
that
we
care
about
continue
to
suffer
and
continue
to
die
when
the
people
in
this
room
are
the
people
that
can
make
the
choices
to
have
that
not
happen.
T
If
you
go
to
one
of
those
warming
centers,
if
you
go
to
All
Saints
and
you
have
to
go
to
the
washroom
without
doors
and
ask
a
staff
person
for
toilet
paper-
and
maybe
they
don't
have
any
that
day,
can
you
imagine
what
the
city
could
do
to
make
that
better
and
the
budget
contains
no
resources?
It's
my
understanding
to
improve
those
conditions.
T
That's
outrageous,
and
this
city,
this
executive
committee,
what
you're
dedicated
to
doing
is
making
things
easier
for
developers
to
fast
track
anything
for
developers
continuing
to
push
poor
people
out
of
their
homes,
rents,
skyrocket
in
this
city.
People
go
to
pushed
out.
Homelessness
is
going
to
keep
increasing
if
those.
A
A
L
Process
is
somewhat
lengthy.
It
requires
us
to
assess
the
benefiting
areas
of
different
pieces
of
infrastructure
and
allocating
those
costs
to
those
developers
within
those
areas.
So
oftentimes
I've
seen
it
happen
in
other
municipalities
that
are
greenfield
types
of
municipalities
where
the
costs
are
readily
allocated
into
those
areas.
But
it
is
a
very,
very
time-consuming
and
exercise,
and
the
development
community,
quite
frankly,
has
suggested
that
they're
prepared
to
to
live
with
the
existing
uniform
charge.
That's
been
imposed
since
amalgamation.
L
O
So
you're
saying
the
development,
the
development
community's
fine
with
councillor
Fletcher
I'm,
just
Paul.
Oh
sorry,
I
just
try
to
story
right
behind
you
all
right
thanks,
so
the
development
community
doesn't
doesn't
care
if
they're
citywide
or
if
they're
area
specific,
but
but
from
a
from
a
city
developing
standpoint.
We
might
want
to
do
something
to
encourage
development
in
you
know:
Etobicoke,
Centre
or
Scarborough,
Center
or
or
in
you
know
the
former
city
of
York
or
what
have
you
and
how
can
the
city
could
the
city
do
that
and
how
would
they
do
that
so.
L
O
L
The
legislation
currently
allows
the
city
or
requires
that
the
city
charge
upon
the
first,
the
issuance
of
the
first
building
permit.
However,
to
the
extent
that
we
are
looking
at
a
transition
provisions
that
would
phase
in
the
charge,
we
may
there's
gonna,
be
a
fiscal
impact
on
the
city
depending
on
the
timing
of
the
actual
payment,
and
so
we
we
really
want
to
review
that
and
come
back
with
a
recommendation.
C
C
C
C
It
those
are
the
three
big
ones.
You
don't
have
to
send
them
flowers
and
chocolates
to
get
or
anything
like
that,
to
get
them
that
that's
in
advance.
That's
the
counselor,
Thompson's
job,
I,
guess:
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood
that
we
give
multiple
different
tax
breaks
to
new
office.
There.
C
A
J
Know
that
you
weren't
around
when
this
motion
was
passed,
but
there
was
a
members
motion.
Well
you
around,
but
not
in
that
position
a
members
motion
that
I
moved
in
March
2011.
It
was
seconded
by
Councillor
Thompson
on
bringing
back
a
report
on
the
priority
neighborhoods
on
development
charges
and
as
well
councilor
Aames
II,
put
forward
another
motion
as
well
so
I'm
just
wondering
why
this
motion
was
never
reported
back
since
2011.
J
L
J
J
Would
would
you,
okay,
no
I'm,
actually
I
want
to
ask
Greg
Glen
turn
this
question
great.
As
far
as
development,
the
City
of
Toronto,
as
it
was
mentioned,
my
counselor,
the
channels
growing.
But
would
you
not
agree
that,
where
it's
growing
its
downtown
and
in
the
suburbs
in
areas
like
Weston
and
Mount
Dennis,
where
we
have
priority
neighborhoods
and
we
have
vacant
storefronts
and
that
hasn't
been
developed
in
20
30
years
that
those
areas
would
not
grow
without
increasing
development
charges
unless
there's
an
incentive
with.
K
Multi-Part
question
threw
the
chair,
the
the
the
general
comment
on
city's
growth
is
generally
patterned
on
the
transportation
network
and
the
official
plan.
The
growth
areas
in
the
Official
Plan
are
centres.
Avenues
of
the
downtown
over
80
percent
of
the
city's
growth
is
happening
in
those
targeted
areas:
Scarborough
Center,
North,
York
Center
at
Yonge
and
Eglinton
Etobicoke
Centre
that
downtown
the
avenues.
So
clearly
there
are
areas
in
between
what
I
would
call
the
areas
in
between
Mount
Denis
being
among
them.
K
That
is
not
attracting
the
level
of
interest
in
growth
and
investment,
and
certainly
bringing
transit
fundamentally
to
these
areas
is
going
to
be
an
important
ingredient
in
bringing
bringing
renewal
and
revitalization
to
these
areas.
My
experience
in
walking
the
street
with
economic
development
in
yourself
and
the
community
last
week
was
certainly
observed.
The
the
the
lack
of
interest
in
renewal
in
the
area.
We
do
have
a
motion
that
a
mindful
of
the
time,
but
it
was
a
long
question.
K
F
I
know
I
just
had
another
conversation
happening
there.
I
too
just
want
to
follow
up
and
counselor
Perks
questions.
So,
first
of
all,
this
study
was
done
by
Hampson,
correct
and
Henson.
Did
the
I
met
study
too,
which
is
coming?
Yes,
that's
correct
and
they
concluded
that
we
don't
need
to
provide
any
more
incentives
for
office
development
in
the
downtown
core.
L
We
have
to
look
at
the
cumulative
impact
of
all
of
the
policies
with
respect
to
employment
uses
and
in
assessing
whether
or
not
it
would
be
advisable
to
take
away
the
DC
exemption,
as
well
as
the
IMET
relief.
We
felt
that
that
would
have
been
too
much
of
a
burden
if
you
will
to
absorb,
and
we
signaled
in
the
report
in
the
DC
bylaw
report
that
we
will
be
reviewing
the
exemption
once
we've
had
a
chance
to
recognize
the
impacts
of
the
contraction
of
the
I'mot
program.
I.
F
Uses
that
are
growing
and
that
are
identified
so
clearly
in
the
imit
report
as
not
needing
incentives
anymore.
So
you're
saying
that
we,
we
could
potentially
come
back
with
something
different
than
what's
here,
because
what
I
don't
understand
in
graphing
them
on
page
18,
on
the
graph,
why
we
would
recommend
something
so
out
of
whack
with
all
of
the
other
municipalities.
J
L
The
reason
is
that,
right
now
and
the
city
of
Toronto's
commercial
tax
rates
are
much
much
higher
than
the
rest
of
the
gtas
and,
and
so
we
felt
that
from
a
fiscal
perspective,
we
really
want
to
attract
office
development
because
the
revenue
that
is
yielded
from
that
type
of
development
vastly
as
an
excess
of
the
operating
cost
municipal
operating
costs
to
services,
development
and
so
from
a
fiscal
impact
assessment
perspective.
That's
a
desirable
type
of
land
use
and
we
want
to
promote
it.
Okay,.
D
L
F
L
N
You
mr.
mayor
I,
believe
that
area
specific
development
charges
or
deferrals
in
certain
areas
to
stimulate
growth
would
be
a
disaster.
So
I
would
ask
I
would
ask
our
interim
chief
planner
if
we
were
to
go
down
the
road
where
we
would
incentivize
developers
to
go
in
the
certain
pockets
of
the
city
and
build
and
not
charging
development
charges.
Who
then,
is
stuck
with
connecting
these
new
neighborhoods
to
our
transit
corridors?
N
K
Through
the
mayor,
the
that
that's
essentially
the
the
difficult
balance
that
needs
to
be
struck
and
the
growth
plan
that
we
are
that
guides,
the
planning
that
we
do
in
the
city
certainly
calls
for
the
intensification
of
the
city.
Less
read.
Sections
of
the
growth
plan,
however,
talked
about
infrastructure
and
they
are
equally
important
and
we
want
to
build
complete
communities
in
a
livable
city.
K
So
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
doing
everything
we
can
to
bring
on
the
housing
housing
supply,
including
affordable
housing,
but
we
also
have
to
be
mindful
of
a
bring
forward
infrastructure,
sometimes
in
not
so
timely.
A
manner
and
the
the
DC's
is
one
obvious
tool
that
links
the
two
and
allows
us
to
address
both
sides
of
that
ledger
and
I'm,
not
going
to
say
that
it's
it
doesn't
have
its
complexities
or
difficulty.
N
Yeah
so,
and
we
tried
that
in
Etobicoke
in
my
ward
Etobicoke
on
Dundas
Street
about
20
years
ago,
we
brought
in
a
study
and,
and
we
basically
up
zone
the
area.
Did
we
not
and
said
that,
because
we're
close
to
a
a
Kipling
subway
station
that
we
would
just
allow
basically
an
up
zoning
of
the
area
to
incentivize
developers
to
come
in
zoning.
K
Is
certainly
an
official
plan
policy
and
zoning,
or
certainly
tools
in
the
toolkit
they're,
not
always
a
panacea,
you
need
you
need
the
market,
azrael,
transportation
and
other
things.
Zoning
is
part
of
the
puzzle,
certainly
putting
in
place
as
of
right,
more
permissive
zoning
that
still
gets
you.
A
good
outcome
is
part.
N
Of
it,
yeah
so
and
and
the
development
didn't
come
till
20
years
later,
really
we
up
zoned
it,
but,
like
you
said,
the
market
wasn't
ready
for
that
area
until
the
market
was
ready.
Now
we're
seeing
a
major
uptick
in
applications
for
the
area
is
that
correct.
I
would
agree
with
that.
So
we
essentially
lost
millions
of
dollars
in
section
37
for
the
community,
because
we
thought
by
incentivizing
20
years
ago
they
would
come
and
the
reality
is
they're
coming
today
and
they
got
the
discount
from
20
years
ago.
I.
K
A
A
G
You
so
one
of
your
proposals
is
to
eliminate
the
exemption
for
nonprofit,
because
we
now
have
the
open
door
program,
but
the
open
door
program
is
a
program
that
ends
by
2021,
so
I'm
hopeful
that
it
get
renewed,
but
there's
no
guarantees
it
would
have
to
be
approved
by
the
council
of
the
day.
This
bylaw
goes
until
2023,
so
this
could
be
a
issue.
Would
you
agree?
G
G
So
there's
there
could
be
an
issue
also
on
page
31,
on
the
commercial
calculated
theses,
I'm
curious
to
understand
why
you
don't
allocate
any
money
for
housing.
I
would
think
that
all
the
businesses
that
come
to
Toronto
needs
their
employees
to
live
someplace
so
I,
don't
understand
why
we
don't
allocate
a
percentage
to
housing.
K
O
I
pleased
to
repeat
my
answer:
the
approach
that's
used
in
development
charge.
Studies
under
the
legislative
framework
is
to
examine
what
are
the
key
drivers
for
each
particular
service.
In
terms
of
the
increased
need,
the
through
the
discussions,
we
determined
that
it's
a
largely
residential
development
that
is
driving
the
increased
need
for
the
provision
of
social
housing,
and
so
all
of
those
incremental
costs
associated
with
development
were
attributed
to
the
residential
development
and
funded
through
that
portion
of
the
rate.
So.
G
O
G
O
G
G
L
We
really
would
like
to
consult
further
on
the
tax
treatment
of
second
Suites
and
the
DC
treatment
of
second
Suites.
Under
the
proposed
draft,
there
would
be
a
charge
that
would
be
executable
on
on
second
Suites,
but
I
think
we've
heard
from
the
stakeholders
that
you
know
we
need
to
consult
further
on
that.
G
Okay
and
one
question:
why
was
there
a
discrepancy
so
big
between
the
one-bedroom
increase
in
the
two-bedroom,
because
we
just
went
through
planning
on
a
whole?
You
know
growing
up
vertical
incentivizing,
two
bedrooms,
three
bedrooms,
incentivizing
bigger
units
and,
since
you
know
we're
all
you
know
any
of
us
when
we
get
a
townhouse
development,
we
get
all
excited.
So
why
why
the
discrepancy?
What
what's
the
rationale
go.
C
A
F
L
F
You
don't
know,
then,
when
we
look
at
these
numbers
here
and
you're
saying
that
our
numbers
are
much
lower
than
there
is
you
don't
know
whether
or
not
there's
a
component
part
in
there?
That's
actually
37,
it's
second
30.
So
that's
fair
to
say
yes,
would
it
be
helpful
to
be
able
to
examine
that
to
determine
whether
or
not
we're
comparing
apples
to
apples
or
its
apples
to
oranges?
Certainly.
F
F
L
F
The
race,
the
current
verse,
says
calculated
rates
and
so
on
so
in
the
I
guess
the
third
column.
Well,
you
you
have
the
DC
2018
DC
study,
calculated
maximum
rates,
and
you
show
the
movement
from
a
current,
which
is,
let's
say,
looking
at
a
two-bedroom,
and
you
have
twenty
five
thousand
three
six,
two
six
and
moving
to
2018.
You
would
have
fifty
one
thousand
seven
hundred
and
forty
dollars.
F
How
realistic
is
that,
given
the
current
condition
in
the
city
with
respect
to
affordability-
and
there
is
a
huge
demand
in
terms
of
her
housing,
how
is
it
possible
that
we
could
look
at
establishing
rates
like
that,
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
these
payments
would
actually
not
be
coming
from
the
developer
it's
actually
being
charged
to
the
purchaser?
Is
that
not
correct?
How
is
it
possible
that
they'd
be
able
to
afford
that
so.
L
I
think
it's
really
important
to
understand
that
this
development
charge
is
a
cost
recovery
tool,
and
you
know
we're
not
there's
no
windfall
to
be
made
by
the
city.
It's
simply
recovering
costs
from
new
development
and
to
finance
infrastructure.
Having
said
that,
I
think
you
know
the
economic
impact
analysis
that
we've
conducted
suggests
that
the
developer
may
absorb
a
portion
of
those
costs.
L
Some
of
those
costs
may
be
passed
on
to
the
purchaser
of
these
new
units
and
as
counselor
Deanna
I
think
correctly
pointed
out
and
that
in
the
medium
to
longer
term,
these
additional
charges
will
be
capitalized
and
the
value
of
the
raw
land.
So
it's
it's
really
debatable
as
to
who,
at
the
end
of
the
day
which
economic
actors
are
gonna,
be
having
to
absorb
these
additional
charges.
But.
P
P
On
the
state
of
the
market,
the
alternative
to
that
is
to
either
not
implement
these
or
to
put
them
both
solely
on
other
sources
of
own
source
revenue,
to
either
implement
higher
property
tax
or
to
create
another
source
of
tax
revenue.
But
that
is
the
alternative
not
doing
these
things
dc's
or
raising
the
revenues
to
other
own
source
revenues
right.
A
I'd
like
to
have
your
concurrence
to
extend
for
just
a
few
minutes,
because
we
have
well
I
think
only
one
more
person
to
ask
questions
of
staff.
That's
councillor
Ainsley!
Do
you
want
to
ask
you
on
task
as
well?
Well
then,
if
it's
to
then,
is
that
three
okay?
Well,
then
we'll
just
adjourn
for
lunch.
We
will
finish
this
item
after
lunch.
Thank
you
very
much.