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From YouTube: Government Management Committee - January 11, 2018
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Government Management Committee, meeting 24, January 11, 2018
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=13028
Meeting Navigation:
0:09:12 - Call to order
Agenda Items:
0:11:11 - GM24.1 - Consolidation of Text of the Toronto Civic Employees' Pension and Benefit Fund (Civic), the Metropolitan Toronto Pension Plan (Metro) and the Metropolitan Police Benefit Fund (Police) (Ward All)
0:14:48 - GM24.2 - The Feasibility of Developing a Canadian Content Policy for Toronto's Procurements in Compliance with Existing Trade Agreements (Ward All)
0:11:53 - GM24.3 - Implementation of the City's Enterprise Time, Attendance and Scheduling System within Parks, Forestry and Recreation (PF&R) and Toronto Paramedic Services (TPS) - Update (Ward All)
0:30:44 - GM24.4 - Future Options for City Operated Golf Courses (Ward 2, 10, 11, 16, 23, 25, 39)
1:22:51 - GM24.5 - Renewal of Contract No. 47020391 to TBM Service Group (Ward All)
0:12:44 - GM24.6 - Grant of Easements to Toronto Hydro for Site-specific Services at nominal consideration, including Downsview Park and Finch West Stations (Ward All)
0:13:02 - GM24.7 - Acquisition of 126 Elmcrest Road for Parkland Purposes (Ward 3)
0:13:19 - GM24.8 - Expropriation of Permanent and Temporary Easement, 500 Dawes Road (Ward 31)
0:13:34 - GM24.9 - Expropriation of Permanent Easements at 685 Lansdowne Avenue, 699 Lansdowne Avenue and 478 St. Clarens Avenue (Ward 18)
0:13:52 - GM24.10 - Expropriation of the Right of Way Easement Interest in favour of 40 Avondale Avenue over Parts of 44 Avondale Avenue (Ward 23)
0:14:07 - GM24.11 - Expropriation of 3300 Kingston Road (Ward 36)
0:14:18 - GM24.12 - Expropriation of Residential Condominium Units - 414 Dawes Road (Ward 31)
0:14:29 - GM24.13 - Professional Services for Uniface BV to Support the City's Toronto Maintenance Management System (Ward All)
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A
Morning,
everyone
I'm
gonna,
call
a
meeting
to
order
and
welcome
everyone
to
meeting
number
24.
The
government
management,
20,
I,
hope
everybody
had
a
relaxing
holiday
season
or
you
managed
to
catch
your
breath.
Then
I
want
to
wish
everybody
all
the
best
for
a
Happy
New
Year
in
2018
I
also
like
to
welcome
the
counselor
Holliday
who's
visiting
us
this
morning,
marine
counselor
Holliday
and
for
those
in
the
room
with
us
there's
a
screen
in
the
back
corner
there.
A
That
provides
real-time
updates
concerning
where
we
are
with
the
agenda
and
what's
coming
up
next
and
if
you're
so
inclined
to
follow
the
agenda
and
debate
on
your
computer
tablet
or
a
smartphone,
you
can
do
so
at
WR
on
OCA
backslash,
backslash
counsel.
I
would
further
like
to
acknowledge
a
government.
A
Manage
committee
gratefully
acknowledges
it's
meeting
on
the
traditional
territory
of
the
Mississauga's,
the
new
credit
first
nation,
the
Haudenosaunee
and
the
here,
and
when
debt
and
home
to
many
diverse
indigenous
people,
our
first
piece
of
business
there,
any
declarations
of
interest
under
the
decimal
conflict
of
interest
Act,
seeing
none
I
need
a
motion
to
confirm
the
minutes.
From
our
last
meeting
on
November
13,
2017,
counselor
I
see
all
in
favor
carried
the
speakers
and
there's
no
presentations.
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There
was
a
decimal
and
you'll
see
it's
highlighted
before
you.
There
was
a
decimal
place
put
in
the
wrong
spot,
so
the
correct
numbers-
kind
of
bold
it
in
gray,
so
we're
just
gonna,
go
through
the
agenda
and
see
if
anybody
has
any
holds
or
concerns.
So
our
first
item
is
the
consolidation
of
tax
at
the
Toronto
civic
employees,
pension
and
benefits
fund.
That's
the
civic
one,
the
metropolitan
Toronto
pension
plan,
the
old
Metro
wand,
Pollan
police,
benefit,
finalists
counts
for
Davis.
Moving
adoption
of
the
first
one
on
paper
carried.
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So
we
will
go
back
to
our
first
item,
which
is
number
two:
the
feasibility
of
developing
and
Canadian
content
policy
for
Toronto's
procurements
and
compliance
with
existing
trade
agreements.
I
have
one
speaker
listed
and
as
Susan
McMurray
the
executive
assistant
for
the
Toronto
New
York
regional
labour,
Council
MS
McMurray
here
good
morning.
You
can
have
either
one
of
those
three
chairs
to
turn
on
the
speaker.
You
press
the
button
in
front
of
you.
It
should
light
up
the
way
we
work
here
at
City
Hall.
You
have
five
minutes
to
address
the
committee.
A
Each
member
of
Council
has
up
to
five
minutes
a
few
questions
about
your
presentation.
Then
we
take
it.
What's
called
back
in
the
committee
where
we
ask
questions
of
staff
and
then
we
speak
to
it
or
move
motions
based
on
what
we've
heard
or
read.
So
you
have
five
minutes
to
start
whenever
you're
ready.
Thank.
C
You,
my
name,
is
Susan
McMurray
and
I'm
executive
assistant
at
the
Toronto
and
York
region,
labor,
council,
labor
Council
is
the
collective
voice
of
labor
for
over
two
hundred
and
five
thousand
union
members
in
the
Toronto
area.
The
City
of
Toronto
has
an
economic
development
strategy
that
tries
to
encourage
local
production
and
local
jobs.
Labor
council
has
long
been
a
strong
supporter
of
local
economic
development
opportunities
when
they're
done
right.
C
Such
development
creates
good
jobs,
adds
to
the
city's
tax
in
the
revenue
base
and
helps
meet
locally
defined
needs,
and
we
believe
that
a
Canadian
content
policy
helps
to
create
those
opportunities.
City
Council
has
shared
this
belief,
as
demonstrated
by
the
introduction
of
such
a
policy
in
2000
in
the
year
2000
and
councils
call
in
2012
to
the
provincial
and
federal
governments
to
exempt
municipalities
from
cita
to
protect
Ranas
independence
in
setting
municipal
procurement
policies
and,
in
fact,
for
the
six
councillors
on
this
committee
voted
in
favor
of
that
at
the
time.
C
The
other
two
of
you
weren't,
yet
elected
to
council,
swayed
in
part
by
one
councillor,
is
called
to
ensure
that
rules
are
in
place
to
make
sure
that
Toronto's,
small
and
medium-sized
businesses
are
not
outbid
by
powerful
and
politically
connected
European
multinational
corporations.
Toronto
is
generally
thought
of
as
Canada's
economic
engine
and
therefore
a
Canadian
content
policy
for
procurement
can
benefit
Toronto
directly,
because
many
Canadian
companies
are
headquartered
here
as
well
as
so
many
of
Canada's
small
and
medium-sized
enterprises.
C
In
addition,
profits
generated
by
Canadian
companies
anywhere
across
this
country
benefit
all
municipalities,
including
Toronto,
because
of
federal
corporate
taxation
and
municipal
funding
frameworks.
According
to
the
the
city's
October
report,
we
see
that
the
purchasing
and
materials
management
division
is
beginning
to
large-scale
transformations
to
improve
the
city's
procurement
processes.
The
report
says
if
a
Canadian
content
policy
would
be
helpful
to
an
overall
procurement
strategy.
Pm
MD
staff
will
revisit
the
policy
and
seek
appropriate
council
direction.
C
While
there
were
only
six
contracts
awarded
from
2000
to
in
three
where
Canadian
content
made
a
difference
in
the
outcome,
it's
possible
that
circumstances
have
changed
in
the
subsequent
years.
So
perhaps
more
foreign
content
used
more
foreign
companies
able
to
submit
slightly
lower
bids
such
that
the
suspended
policy
would
have
generated
a
more
significant
outcome.
Toronto
staff
research
indicates
that
the
total
value
of
procurement
below
the
CETA
threshold
is
sizeable.
An
appropriate
approach
and
processes
for
Canadian
content
could
generate
significant
benefits
to
the
Toronto
area.
C
Further,
we
believe
that
the
opportunities
for
implementing
a
Canadian
content
policy
may
be
broader
than
conceived.
First,
in
addition
to
the
basic
municipal
thresholds
in
Sita,
Sita
will
not
apply
for
activities
related
to
drinking
water,
energy
or
transport
or
a
number
of
other
areas
and,
of
course,
Sita
still
hasn't
been
ratified
by
a
number
of
EU
nations
and
as
such,
its
future
application
isn't
guaranteed.
Secondly,
NAFTA
doesn't
currently
present
barriers
to
preferential
municipal
procurements.
Plenty
of
American
jurisdictions
are
happy
to
tote
a
by
American
policy.
C
Perhaps
there
are
opportunities
for
Toronto
to
by
Canadian
Road
by
American
and
depending
on
what
happens
in
the
next
period
of
time
to
the
south,
we
could
find
ourselves
facing
a
strong
wall
of
by
American.
We
would
need
to
figure
out
a
response
that
would
safeguard
us
against
having
to
buy
lowest
bid,
US
products
or
services,
while
local
Canadian
companies
are
frozen
out
of
those
markets.
Let
us
use
Canadian
content
tools
within
the
current
framework
of
trade
deals
to
encourage
and
support
the
use
of
Canadian
goods
and
services,
while
monitoring
events
see
de
NAFTA
etc.
C
So
we
have
the
flexibility
to
enhance
a
policy
as
more
opportunities
arise.
The
city
P
MMD
is
looking
at
strategic
decisions
relating
to
procuring
certain
categories
of
goods
and
services.
Why
not
use
strategic
sourcing
to
encourage
local
economic
development
if
the
approach
and
processes
in
the
currently
suspended
Canadian
content
policy
are
not
ideal,
the
city
should
research
the
availability
of
models
used
internationally.
C
In
that
case,
we
recommend
the
consultations
be
held
with
stakeholders,
including
Torontonians
in
general,
to
hear
their
views
on
such
a
policy
before
a
staff
report
back
this
issue
has
a
lot
of
layers.
It's
a
work
and
jobs
issue,
it's
a
social
issue
and
it's
an
economic
issue
in
order
to
have
a
tax
base
that
can
support
the
services
that
we
all
need
a
strong
tone.
C
Ian's
but
not
least,
it's
a
democratic
issue,
and
then
our
City
Council
should
be
able
to
make
the
decisions
that
are
best
for
Torontonians,
not
driven
by
the
interests
of
multinational
corporations
who
take
their
profits.
Offshore
Toronto
and
York
Region
labor
council
recommends
that
the
City
of
Toronto
commit
to
include
a
Canadian
content
policy
in
the
context
of
the
procurement
transformations
that
you're
undertaking.
Thank
you.
B
You
very
much
so
you
point
out
that
under
the
current
trade
agreements
and
CETA
well,
first
of
all,
we
don't
really
know
yet.
Heceta
is
going
to
be
implemented,
but
that
the
thresholds
in
sita
you
said,
are
there
still
a
lot
of
procurement
that
fall
within
that
threshold?
That
would
allow
the
city
to
actually
undertake
some
kind
of
preferential
procurement,
yeah.
C
So
Sita
will
not
apply
for
measures
adopted
relating
to
Aboriginal
peoples,
activities
related
to
drinking
water,
energy
or
transport,
and
in
other
areas
that
may
not
affect
city
procurement,
postal
sector,
shipbuilding
and
repair
of
general
categories,
such
as
the
acquisition
or
rental
of
lands.
So
those.
B
B
C
A
D
B
You
are
also
undertaking
a
strategic
purchasing
category
management,
strategic
sourcing
initiative,
which
is
intended
to
look
at
how
we
could
better
procure
to
get
obviously
better
prices,
but
a
more
efficient
approach
to
procurement,
and
that
report
we
received
some
months
ago.
You
indicate
in
here
that
Canadian
content
is
something
that
could
be
looked
at
in
that
context.
So
would
you
be
comfortable
if
I
were
to
move
that
you
consider
Canadian
content
within
that
context
of
that
new
developing
strategic
sourcing
initiative.
D
B
B
So
what
this
does
is
it's
Sita
has
some
thresholds
that
say
anything
over
contour
any
contracts
over
three
hundred
forty
thousand
dollars
in
goods
and
services
and
any
contracts
over
eight
point:
1
million
in
construction
are
governed
by
the
provisions
in
Sita,
but
those
beneath
it
or
not,
and
so
it
gives
us
some
leeway
to
operate
within
the
trade
agreement
framework.
We
currently
have
to
look
at
whether
or
not
we
could
be
encouraging
and
stimulating
some
local
economic
development.
B
Could
we
be
purchasing
local?
Could
we
be
purchasing
Canadian
looking
at
products
and
goods
and
services
in
a
way
that
would
help
us
achieve
some
of
our
local
economic
development
objectives,
which
is
to
keep
jobs
here
and
to
try
to
ensure
that
we
are
achieving
some
of
our
larger
objectives?
So
that's
the
motion.
It
asks
our
staff
to
do
it
in
the
context
of
the
category
management,
strategic
sourcing
initiatives
and
I
believe
that
they
are
able
to
do
that
and
are
supportive
of
the
recommendation.
B
We
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen
to
NAFTA
I
was
going
to
move
a
motion
as
well
that
you
report
on
the
status
of
NAFTA
in
this
report,
but
I
suspect
that
you
would
report
anyway
if
there
were
to
be
any
drastic
changes
that
come
about.
That
would
impact
us
so
I
didn't
move
a
specific
motion
to
ask
about
NAFTA
right
now.
B
We
do
have
local
procurement
policies,
but
only
in
transportation,
so
TTC
and
provincial
and
federal
governments
do
low
do
preferential
procurement
for
the
purposes
of
vehicles
and
it's
something
I
think
we
should
be
looking
at.
We
spend
a
lot
of
money
we
spent,
we
spend
200
million,
did
you
say
200
million
dollars
of
goods
and
services
that
we
spend
on
everything
from
chairs
to
toilet
paper,
presumably,
and
we
have
the
ability
within
the
current
rules,
to
look
at
whether
or
not
we
could
do
some
preferential
sourcing
to
support
Canadian,
Manufacturers
and
good
Canadian
jobs.
E
B
Have
already
pushed
on
this
and
they're
not
in
the
position
to
be
able
to
do
it.
They
are
hiring
consultant
to
assist
with
the
category
management
procurement
transformation
project
and
that
resource
is
not
available
at
this
point,
and
so
that
will
have
to
be
built
into
the
scope
of
what
this
new
consultant.
A
A
B
What
I
wanted
to
understand?
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
correction.
There's
big
difference
between
74
thousand
seven
hundred
and
forty
thousand,
and
it's
important
that
we
get
that
out.
But
generally
I
went
back
and
read
to
some
of
the
previous
reports
and
in
2008
we
were
making
a
million
dollars
off
the
golf
courses.
Is
that
correct?
Since
then,
it's
declined,
I
understand,
15%
usage
has
dropped
but
generally
making,
in
the
last
three
or
four
years
about
250,000
net
revenue,
minus
expenses
to.
B
F
F
B
No-
and
you
know
there
are
people
asking
why:
why
would
we
operate
golf
courses
and
what
are
the?
How
did
we
get
this
land?
Is
it
fair
to
say
most,
the
golf
courses
are
in
lands
protected
under
the
Official
Plan
and
that
they
are
on
Ravine
properties
and
that
they
are
protected
lands
and
the
city
has
no
intention
of
doing
something
because
they
can't
to
either
sell
or
transfer
these
lands
to
any
other
owners.
That's
pretty
clear
right.
B
F
The
chair
of
the
golf
courses
are
owned
outright
by
the
Toronto
region.
Conservation
Authority,
the
other
three
all
have
portions
of
which
are
either
TRCA
on
lands.
And/Or
are
all
designated
ravines
right,
they're
protected
under
the
Official
Plan
environmental
policy,
they're
protected
under
parkland
zoning
and
as
open
space,
and
so
yes,
they
are
regulated.
Valley
lands,
largely
okay,.
B
And
we
have
golf
courses
like
we
have
tennis
courts
or
we
have
basketball
courts.
Although
the
basketball
courts
are
open,
that's
kind
of
different,
but
we
have
partnerships
with
tennis
clubs.
We
have
lawn
bowling,
we
have
curling,
we
have
some
of
those
sort
of
how
would
I
describe
them
old,
established
traditional.
B
Sports
and
facilities
still
that
are
in
decline
in
use,
but
there
is
still
sufficient
use
that
we
would
want
to
still
keep
that
activity.
Accessible,
I
would
assume
to
the
residents
of
Toronto,
meaning
both
physically
accessible
and
affordable.
Do
we
still
have
that
objective
going
into
this
review
through.
B
This
I
understand
you
know:
Den
tonyia
is
right
on
my
border
and
it's
used
heavily.
A
small
three
part
course
do
we
know,
and
could
we
include
in
this
study
because
I
have
a
motion
that
we
look
make
sure
we
understand
who's
using
these
a
profile
of
current
users
aged
residency,
frequency
and
time
of
play
and
a
price
demand
analysis.
Could
we
include
those
in
the
scope
of
this
study.
F
Through
the
chair,
yes,
all
of
that
would
be
part
of
a
scope
of
study
because
we
need
to
have
the
full
analysis
in
terms
of
who's
using
the
courses
in
all
the
demographics
about
that,
even
in
terms
of
where
they
live.
But
also
you
know
what
their
experience
is
on
the
customer
service
side
from
food
and
beverage
appreciation,
or
not
right
through
to
the
counter
services
that
we
provide
in
terms
of
selling
the
so.
B
Just
destroy
I
understand
the
direction
here,
you're
talking
about
an
alternate
looking
at
alternatives
and
alternative
models
right
now,
the
five
courses,
five
of
the
courses
are
the
golf
course
themselves
are
maintained
by
the
city
staff,
the
greens,
all
of
the
operation
of
the
golf
course
itself,
but
the
operations
of
the
concession
for
food
and
beverages
rentals-
all
of
that
are
done
by
third
party.
Are
you
looking
to
change
that
as
well?
F
You're
correct
the
the
that
is
the
current
model.
We
look
after
the
let's
say
the
turf,
and
we
have
a
business
operator
that
operates
the
pro
shops,
the
lessons,
the
programs,
the
cart,
rentals,
the
sale
of
golf
paraphernalia,
the
tea
time,
bookings
and
so
on,
and
then
another
contractor
that
looks
after
the
food
and
beverage
going
into
this.
This
could
result
in
we
already
know
through
surveys
that
are
done
in
the
golf
industry
that
you
know.
F
Customer
service
is
important,
and
so
is
food
and
beverage,
the
quality
of
it
and
how
the
customer
perceives
that
service.
We
know
those
are
things
that
they
appreciate.
We
know
that
they
appreciate
technology
being
able
to
book
online
and
things
like
that.
So
we
would
look
at
all
of
those
things.
We
would
also
look
at
the
quality
of
service
that
we've
been
providing
in
the
past
and
how
that's
different
or
maybe
improved,
but.
B
F
G
G
F
F
Both
courses
bring
in
about
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year,
each
and
the
fees,
the
fees
I.
Believe
you
mentioned.
We
only
review
the
fees
for
Centennial
and
we
review
them
not
so
much
to
govern
them
so
much
as
just
say
that
they're
within
a
decent
ballpark
price,
for
the
experience
right.
F
Correct
there
are
things
that
could
be
improved
and
they're
sort
of
outlined
there,
and
those
state
of
good
repair
costs
of
maintaining
assets
within
golf
course
is
also
important
to
us,
because
you
know
we
do
have
a
large
state
of
good
repair
backlog
and
that's
been
fully
outlined
in
the
facility
master
plan.
So
we
have
to
consider
golf
in
relation
to
all
those
other
costs
that
we,
as
a
city,
have
in
terms
of
parks,
maintenance.
F
The
chair,
the
objective,
isn't
so
much
break-even,
but
a
good
quality
golf
experience
that
is
low
at
a
low
or
reasonable
price
for
seniors,
juniors,
adults
and
so
on.
Our
experience
always
been
trying
to
deliver
golf
at
a
reasonable
rate,
so
it
is
accessible
to
all
folks.
Not
not
just
you
know,
people
with
lots
of
disposable
income,
but
also
to
others.
Just.
F
C
G
F
Threw
the
chair:
yes,
our
intent
is
to
maintain
this
as
City
green
space
park
space.
It
is
the
these
are
park,
lands
and
need
to
be
viewed
and
protected
and
maintained
as
park
lands
in
their
current
state.
They
represent
multi-million
dollar
investments
to
be
golf
courses,
and
so
the
intent
at
the
moment
is
to
maintain
them
as
golf
courses.
Correct
great.
Thank
you.
F
Through
the
chair
for
the
last
three
years,
including
17,
we've
incurred
losses
on
dento,
Nia,
Tam,
O'shanter,
Humber,
Valley
and
scarlet,
and
Don
Valley
as
a
well
pretty
much
well
I'm.
Lumping
those
together.
Those
five
together
have
incurred
losses.
If
you
look
at
them,
course-by-course
some
have
made
some
money
and
some
have
lost
a
little
bit
of
money.
So.
E
In
your
review,
will
there
be
any
consideration,
giving
maybe
leasing
out
the
operations
and
maintenance
of
all
the
courses
and
and
and
you
know,
putting
in
the
hands
of
experts
entirely
and
we
just
collect
our
our
rent
and
and
percentage
rent
or
whatever
best
deal
we
can.
We
can
get
from
everybody,
they.
F
Threw
the
chair
the
objective
of
this-
isn't
to
sort
of
come
at
this
from
any
particular
angle,
so
much
as
to
find
out
what
is
the
most
efficient
and
best
way
to
deliver
good
quality
golf
services,
and
that
may
be
the
existing
model.
It
may
be
a
different
model
entirely.
It
may
be
a
lease
out
model.
It
may
be
a
different
type
of
contract.
It
may
be
bringing
in
technology.
It
may
be
a
number
of
things,
but.
E
You'll,
keep
your
mind
open
to
all
absorptions,
given
that
we
we
don't
want
to
be
losing
money
here,
we're
not
really
in
the
business
of
providing
golf
services.
However,
we
want
to
be
able
to
accommodate
you,
know
subsidized
and
and
and
make
sure
that
it's
available,
but
do
it
in
a
profitable
way.
So
why
a
year
to
come
back
with
that
review,
can
that
be
done
sooner.
F
Through
the
chair,
the
the
review
could
take
less
time,
we're
not
sure,
but
we
do
have
to
set
up
a
contract
getting
a
consultant.
The
requisition
and
all
the
work
through
purchasing
needs
to
be
done.
We
need
to
bring
in
an
expert
select
that
expert
give
them
time
to
review
our
operations,
ideally
in
a
year
when
we're
operating
and
then
give
them
time
to
make
recommendations
and
depending
on
how
drastic
those
recommendations
are.
That's
that's
where
the
real
time
may
come
in.
E
E
E
D
F
F
Extension
is
for
two
years
plus
an
option
for
possibly
one
more.
The
reason
for
that
is
we're
not
sure
how
much
time
this
will
all
take
in
order
to
not
only
do
the
study
and
consider
the
wreck
foundations,
but
then
implement
those
recommendations
or
make
plans
to
implement
those
recommendations.
If
they're
simple,
there
probably
would
be
no
extension,
if
they're
more
complex
and
time-consuming
that
we
might
need
an
extension
rather
than
coming
back
to
the
committee
and
asking
for
it
they're
already
in
two
years
to
do
an
extension.
We'd
rather
just
have
that
now.
F
F
A
E
E
No,
but
recommendation
number
two
or
under
said
mister,
edit,
to
extend
for
a
further
one
year
is
with
an
opto
sorry,
that's
an
option
to
extend
with
the
further
one
year
yeah
sir
I
misread
that
so
yeah,
it's
two
years
for
both.
So
the
question
is
why
not
one
year
on
both
let's
vote
this
way
when
the
review
comes
back,
we
have
I'll
cut.
F
Through
the
chair
they're
both
two-year
extensions
with
options,
one
more
year,
extension
I
understand,
but
why
not
one
and
that
the
reason
why
it's
two
plus
one
is
we
feel
it
might
take.
Well,
it
will
very
easily
take
two
years.
We
will
not
be
ready
at
this
time
next
year
to
award
a
contract
under
a
revised
model
based
on
work.
That's
been
done
in
in
this
year
to
review
golf.
There
simply
isn't
enough
time
to
do
all
that
work.
So
we
need
two
years
and
we
could
possibly
need
time
even
for
a
third
year.
D
Through
the
check,
I
think
I
just
said,
as
parks
does
therefore
review
and
then
just
has
to
decide
how
to
move
forward.
They
might
need
further
counsel
of
direction,
especially
if
they're,
if
it's
a
different
model
of
being
for
post,
so
that
comes
back
next
year,
then
then
we'll
need
time
to
do
whatever.
Then
the
direction
is
or
further
procurement.
So
that's
why
they're
talking
about
two
years?
So
if
we,
the
review,
comes
back
next
year,
it'll
be
too
late
for
the
new
season.
We'll
need
that
time
to
get.
A
Good
counselor
kennels
for
Chris
auntie,
you're,
good
yeah,
okay,
other
questions,
seeing
none
I
have
some
questions
for
staff.
I
want
to
start
with.
So
last
night
I
was
reading
an
auditor
general's
report
from
2012
that
was
before
City
Council.
It
was
called
the
review
of
the
management,
the
city's
golf
courses
and
it
was
considered
by
City
Council
in
November
2012,
and
a
lot
of
what
I
read
in
that
report
is
almost
verbatim
in
the
report.
That's
here
in
front
of
us,
for
example,
in
2012
it
says
the
long-term
plan
is
important.
A
The
division
needs
to
address
a
range
of
secondary
issues.
These
issues
taken
individual
are
not
likely
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
increase
in
revenue
or
reducing
expenses,
but
taken
as
a
whole
are
important
and
include
they
need
to
so
the
first
one
I
want
to
ask
that
review
of
ongoing
maintenance
costs
to
ensure
the
reasonably
particular
in
the
context
of
industry
benchmarks.
Is
that
done
through.
F
F
To
the
extent
that
we're
talking
about
here
of
the
overall,
completely
different
service
delivery
model
that
we're
proposing
here,
what
we've
done
is
we
we
had.
We
had
reviewed
our
operations
in
terms
of
another
contract
that
looked
exactly
like
this
one.
We
hadn't
gone
and
done
a
full,
comprehensive
review
across
industry
across
different
ranges
of
the
golf
delivery
options.
Okay,.
F
A
Because
it
was
one
of
the
Auditor
General's
recommendations.
Yes,
the
next
one
improve
increase
the
use
of
technology,
both
from
a
golf
course.
Maintenance
management
perspective
live
as
well
as
an
internal
administrative
cost
control
perspective.
His
recommendation
was
to
integrate
the
point-of-sale
system
with
the
reservation
system,
as
well
as
the
city's
financial
information
system
done.
F
Through
the
chair,
yes,
we
did
undertake
that
work.
We
had
a
financial
I'll,
call
him
a
BA,
but
he
was
actually
a
manager
who
would
visit
the
courses
regularly
review,
reviewing
the
books,
reviewing
the
teeth,
the
ticket
sales,
where
we
have
not,
and
and
integrating
that
against
the
at
least
coordinating
that
against
the
all
the
payments
that
were
being
made.
That
was
all
reviewed
in
depth
through
our
finance
and
management
services
branch.
The
part
that
we
have
not
managed
to
get
in
place
is
the
technology
side.
F
F
Haven't
we
have
a
point-of-sale
system
that
is
integrated
in
to
the
finance
system,
so
the
the
sales
go
directly
and
as
I
understand
it.
Now,
though,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
that,
but
the
sales
there
are
no
longer.
You
know
just
held
off
a
week
or
two
until
the
company
pays
us
back
for
all
the
sales
they've
made.
It's
all.
It's
all
delivered
and.
F
A
F
F
F
A
Okay,
but
I,
just
on
so
I'll
point
back
to
the
Auditor
General's
report
in
2012
and
says
these
issues
taken
individually
are
not
likely
to
have
a
significant
impact
on
increasing
revenues
but
taken
as
a
whole
or
important
and
need
to
be
done.
That's
correct,
okay
and
then
I
guess
my
last
so
I've
got
two
last
questions
in
2012
the
report
suggested
incentive
provisions
in
the
long
term.
Agreements
with
Golf
Plus
be
negotiated
and
I
don't
see
any
mention
of
that
in
the
2018
report
before
us.
F
A
Sir,
which
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
them
I'm
over
my
time,
but
I
know
what
that
means.
I'm
not
trying
to
understand
the
auditor-general
asks
you
to
do
it
in
2012
or
ask
staff
to
do
it
in
2012
and
it
hasn't
been
done
yet.
So
my
question
was,
or
you
know,
I'd
interested
in
doing
it
or
you
don't
want
to
do
it
or
you
don't
think
it's
appropriate.
The.
F
Counselor
we
did
answer
that
question
in
a
report,
I
believe
when
we
reported
back
on
on
marketing
through
group
rates
volume
rates,
so
we
put
volume
ticket
sales
together
and
we
brought
that
to
council
council,
approves
all
the
fees
and
for
all
services
that
we
provide,
including
golf
so
that
didn't
leave
us
the
flexibility
to
go
to
a
company
and
say
well,
take
our
fees
and
slash
them
and
sell
them
for
us.
But
what
we
did
instead
is
we
product
a
report
to
Council
and
I?
A
A
And
then
the
last
thing,
I
guess
the
biggest
concern
I
have
is
your.
So
we
have
a
report
before
us
you're
asking
to
extend
a
contract
because
it's
expired
and
I.
Don't
understand
why
you're
bringing
this
to
the
committee
after
it's
expired
and
not
before,
like
now,
like
you
put
us
basically
you're,
forcing
us
to
approve
a
contract
extension
after
the
fact
after
its
expire
tonight.
I
really
don't
understand
that.
F
The
the
work
that's
been
done
is
we
did
a
full
market
assessment
that
we,
we
didn't
think
would
have
as
much
uptake
as
it
did
and
we,
when
it
did
sorry
we
did.
We
did
a
full
market
assessment
that
came
back
with.
There
are
some
options
and
alternatives
you
oughta
explore.
We
put
it
out
there
as
a
request
for
expression
of
interest.
We
got
more
interest
than
we
thought
we
would
get.
We
thought
we
would
get
that
through
as
a
as
a
differential
model
for
starting
this
year.
F
A
B
So
I
have
a
motion
which
essentially
asks
for
the
scope
of
this
consultant
study
to
include
a
profile
of
users,
age,
residency,
frequency
and
time
of
play
and
price
demand.
Maybe
they
should
have
a
slash
in
between
it
or
a
price
demand
analysis
and
also
to
consult
with
cUPE
Local
for
one
six
as
part
of
the
consultant
study
and
in
the
development
and
in
the
development
of
any
future
recommendations.
B
B
I'll.
Obviously,
what's
before
us
is
an
extension
of
tract
and
the
chairs
pointed
out,
it's
it's
been
delayed
and
I'm
sure
there
are
many
reasons
for
that
and
we
just
at
the
end
heard
some
of
those,
and
so
this
contract
does
have
to
be
extended.
I
have
no
problem
with
it
being
two
years.
I
know
that
things
tend
to
slip
here
because
of
the
workload
that
we
place
on
our
staff
in
terms
of
the
many
initiatives
that
we
bring
forward,
so
I
will
support
the
recommendations
before
us.
B
It's
clear,
though,
that
embedded
in
this
report
is
an
alternative
service
delivery
model
study
and
that
study,
as
I
heard
closer
to
the
end
being
called.
It
looks
as
though
we
were
already
well
down
the
path,
but
it
was
difficult
to
developing
what
I
heard
was
not
an
alternate
I
can't
find
it
anyway.
An
alternative
model,
but
I
also
heard
an
answer
to
count
so
choices,
questions
that,
in
the
current
model
of
leasing,
just
simply
leasing
those
lands
out
to
a
third
party
to
operate.
B
We
don't
control
the
fees,
the
green
fees,
we
have
very
little
to
say
it
sounds
like
in
terms
of
how
those
services
are
delivered.
So
we
do
a
good
job
of
maintaining
our
golf
courses.
The
question
that
is
before
us
is:
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we
can
put
in
the
capital
investment?
That's
required
both
for
the
structures,
the
buildings,
as
well
as
upgrading
and
modernizing
the
facilities
to
address
what
seems
to
be
called
the
quality
of
the
experience
in
our
golf
courses
to
me:
I?
Don't
care
if
these
are
fancy
places.
B
What
I
would
like
to
make
sure
comes
out
of
this
study
and
any
recommendations
that
come
forward
do
is
make
sure
that
we
still
have
accessible
golf
in
the
City
of
Toronto
I
know
Dantonio
golf
course.
It's
right.
Next
to
me,
it
is
part
of
the
den
tonyia
farmlands
that
were
donated
to
public
use
in
this
city.
These
are
public
assets,
they
are
important,
open,
green
spaces
and
they
should
be
accessible
to
the
public
in
his
broad
way
as
possible.
Playing
golf
yes,
and
so
I
don't
want
this
characterized.
B
B
Much
like
we
have
still
have
tennis
courts
and
we
still
have
curling
and
we
still
have
a
ski
hill.
These
are
all
considered
by
some
people
as
elite
sports,
but
I
think
what
they
are
is
they're
Canadian
Toronto
sports
that
we're
still
trying
to
deliver
in
an
urban
environment,
and
we
want
to
give
our
residents
the
opportunity
to
experience.
Those
golf
is
fabulous
for
all
ages,
all
ages
from
youth
to
octogenarians.
B
It
is
also
a
sport,
like
tennis
and
curling
that
both
genders
play
that
both
genders
play
together.
I
watched
as
my
mother
and
father
in
retirement
finally
shared
something
on
the
Golf
Course.
These
are.
This
is
a
sport
that,
whether
you
like
it
or
not,
still
does
open
business
doors
and
I
think
newcomers
to
this
city
just
like
they
want
to
learn
how
to
skate
or
swim
in
from
places
where
swimming
is
not
an
emphasis.
B
They
want
an
opportunity
to
learn
golf
too.
So,
while
I
know,
this
is
kind
of
considered,
probably
a
middle-aged
white
guys.
Sport
I
think
it
actually
is
a
sport
that
should
be
available
to
everyone
and
we
should
be
encouraging
it,
and
so
I
don't
want
the
green
fees
to
be
over
a
hundred
bucks.
A
visit
to
people
can
go
on
a
weekend.
Still
for
fifty
bucks,
even
that
that's
what
the
charges
at
Dantonio,
that
is
a
big
outing
for
somebody,
who's
in
a
moderate
income
or
low
income
and
whatever
models
come
back.
B
I
hope
that
we
are
going
to
find
some
way
to
ensure
that
everyone
in
the
City
of
Toronto
is
able
to
access
the
golf
courses
yeah.
The
vendors
who
run
the
concessions
have
been
there
a
long
time
and
they
probably
needs
to
be
refreshed.
I
I'm,
not
sure,
though,
that
that
necessarily
means
we
simply
give
them
away
to
third-party
operators.
So
I
hope
that
we
come
back
with
some
alternatives
that
make
keep
decent
jobs
and
make
golf
accessible,
keeps
golf
accessible
in
the
city
of.
E
You
mr.
chair,
so
I
just
been
reflecting
on
this
very
carefully
and
I
was
gonna.
Let
it
go
but
I
think
it's
well
worth
putting
on
the
table
so
I'm
going
to
move
a
motion
not
amends
the
two
recommendations
X
to
the
extensions
to
one
year,
not
two
and
the
reason
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
merits
of
the
sport
counselor
counselor
Davis
did
a
great
job
of
doing
that,
and
and
but
on
the
business
side
of
it.
E
What
I
heard
from
staff
earlier
is
that
collectively
these
courses
have
been
losing
money
and
I
think
we're.
You
know
we're
getting
a
review,
that's
coming
back.
We
have
the
option
to
renew
for
another
year,
but
it
gives
us
more
flexibility.
We
shall
lock
ourselves
in
for
two
years:
let's
do
it
for
a
year.
E
Let's
exercise
the
option,
should
we
need
it
and
I
think
it
will
maybe
wake
up
some
operators
and
maybe
have
them
do
a
better
job
over
the
next
year,
instead
of
to
the
years
so
I
so
I'm
going
to
keep
my
comments.
Brief
I
think
it's
prudent
to
move
forward
with
a
shorter
extension
versus
a
two-year
extension
and
then
potentially
another
year
exercising
the
year
after
that.
That's
it
thank.
B
Thing
I
left
out.
If
I
could
add
these
golf
courses,
don't
lose
money
generally,
they
have
made
in
2008
to
I,
think
2010.
They
made
a
million
bucks
and
the
average
was
250,000
a
year
last
year
was
bad
and
yes,
there's
been
some
decline,
but
generally
last
year
was
bad
because
of
weather,
so
there
needs
to
be
yeah
break
even,
but
we
subsidize
almost
every
recreational
activity
in
this
city,
whether
you
step
in
a
pool
you
you
skate
in
a
skating
lesson.
B
We
decide
that
we
are
going
to
support
those
activities
because
of
a
public
policy
objective,
which
is
keeping
people
active
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
So
you
know
I
believe
these
can
absolutely
break
even
as
a
minimum
and
in
fact
make
more
money
if
the
marketing
and
improvements
are
made
and
anyway,
that's
all
I
wanted
thanks.
G
The
review
for
the
short
and
long
term
models
have
one
two
three
four
five
major
things
they
need
to
consider,
plus
negotiating
with
unions.
I'm,
not
sure
one
year
will
cut
it.
I
would
still
support
the
two-year
I
know
this
I
I
know
the
operations
of
golf
and
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
work.
That's
required
I,
don't
think
of
one
year
will
give
them
enough
time
to
come
back
with
the
proper
recommendations.
B
A
A
That's
before
us
today
and
there's
a
number
of
issues
that
are
outstanding.
That
I
think
need
to
be
dealt
with
and,
first
and
foremost
on
the
question
that
I
raised
was
staff.
One
of
those
revolves
around
the
the
mobile
tee
reservations,
the
online
system,
it's
still
done
by
telephone
in
the
21st
century.
We
had
this
issue
a
few
years
ago
at
the
Toronto
Zoo,
where
we
started
doing
online
ticketing
and
reservations.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
huge
outstanding
issues,
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
are
reflected
upon
in
their
support,
saying
they.
A
If
they're
done,
they
could
enhance
the
revenue
of
our
golf
course
system.
Those
are
the
same
issues
that
the
Auditor
General
raised
in
2012,
so
many
of
them,
which
still
haven't
been
implemented,
a
report
that
was
approved
by
counsel
and
if
it's
approved
by
council
I
think
that
staff
should
be
doing
their
utmost
to
put
those
recommendations
in
place
so
I'm
moving.
A
This
motion
I'm
also
not
happy
with
the
fact
the
staffer
coming
here
asking
us
to
approve
a
contract
after
it's
expired,
I,
understand
the
rationale
and
that
there
was
a
study
done
in
the
market
was
examined,
but
has
put
us
in
a
very
awkward
place.
Government
management
committee
members
that
were
expected
to
approve
our
contract
or
award
a
contract
to
extend
a
contract
after
it's
expired
and
I.
I'm,
really
not
happy
with
that.
I
don't
want
to
see
it
done
again.
I
think
it's
inappropriate
to
be
here
before
us
in
this
manner.
B
B
So
the
question
is:
is
the
model
that
I
presume
going
to
be
examined,
going
to
be
allow
for
the
modernization
and
improvements
that
were
recommended
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
absolutely
ensure
that
those
things
will
be
done
if
we
don't
know
yet
what
the
costs
and
impacts
are
and
what
the
model
to
achieve
those
are
going
to
be.
That's
my
concern.
It
presupposes
the
outcome
of
the
study.
B
A
Take
that
as
a
question
yes
yeah,
so
councillor
Davis,
so
the
Auditor
General
did
a
very
comprehensive
study
and
report
in
2012.
So
a
lot
of
what
he
did
reviewed
if
it
had
been
put
in
place,
should
have
been
done.
I
think
the
golf
course
would
be
in
a
much
better
financial
position.
I
think
what
the
Auditor
General
asked,
Parks
and
Recreation
staff
to
do
in
2012
is
our
standard
operational
mechanisms
that
almost
every
golf
course
uses
now
like
online
online
reservations,
flexible
fees
and
rates.
I.
A
B
It
hasn't
been
done,
so
we
can
point
fingers
or
chastise,
but
that's
not
gonna.
What
this
does
is
it
moves
that
these
very
recommendations
forward,
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
demand
them
to
be
implemented
until
we
get
the
report
back
on
whether
or
not
they're
feasible
what
the
impact
is
on
the
service.
How
are
those
capital
costs
going
to
be
paid
and
that's
the
very
subject
of
the
study
that
is
going
to
be
done
by
the
consultants?
Well,
it
wasn't
done
before
the.
B
A
A
A
A
B
G
B
A
A
B
A
B
B
Elements
that
should
be
in
any
contract
where
we
are
using
the
job
quality
assessment
tool
that
these
things
that
are
would
be
part
of
any
contract
that
we
would
put
out
for
cleaning.
So
that
was
deferred
essentially
because
we
were
waiting
to
see
what
was
happening
with
Bill
148
and
so
you've
now
come
back
and
said
well.
Bill
148
addresses
everything,
but
one
of
those.
D
The
chair,
so
the
the
committee's
direction
was
look
at
the
look
at
six
of
these
elements
and
as
part
of
the
poverty
reduction
update
report
that
was
at
Council
last
council
session.
There
was
a
discussion
about
those
of
which
four
were
being
met
to
some
way
by
bill.
148
and
two
were
being
proposed
for
pilots
as
part
of
that
report,
and
that
report
unfortunately
got
deferred
because
there's
a
long
council
session
and
it'll
be
a
January's
council.
So
that's
all
things
have
kind
of
gotten
out
of
sync,
unfortunately,
so
those
so.
B
D
Through
the
chair,
the
the
X,
the
staff
report
for
poverty
reduction,
talked
to
a
living
wage
in
the
context
that
the
that,
as
far
as
Bill
140,
was
concerned
in
the
fairway
schedule,
the
fair
wage
schedules
is
being
updated.
I
believe
St
if
they
was
still
looking
at
when
they
might
report
back
on
a
living
wage.
But
they
weren't
recommending
at
the
time
the
two
things
that
we're
missing
were
the
fair
scheduling
as
a
standard
in
in
city
contracts
and
the
fair
and
equitable
hiring
as
a
standard.
D
It's
not
in
about
yet
that,
because
the
the
poverty
reduction
report
ask
for
permission,
ask
counsel
for,
as
part
of
the
budget
process,
give
the
resources
required
to
make
you
the
pilot
project,
so
the
so
it's
kind
of
in
the
budget
process
as
part
of
the
poverty
reduction
initiative
and
there's
the
actual
report
itself,
which
is
that
gonna
be
a
January's
Council.
So.
E
A
E
E
E
E
A
Davis
you
get
five
minutes
you're
at
six,
maybe
other
counselors
on
the
committee
would
like
to
ask
questions.
We
can
do
a
second
round
if
nobody
else,
if
that's
the
world,
that
committee
does
anybody
else
have
questions.
I
just
had
one,
and
that
was
around.
So
one
of
the
issues
that
we
had
when
this
was
before
us
previously
was
around
the
job
quality
assessment
tool
and
then
there's
the
two-week
notification
for
employees
that
we
were
waiting
for
bill
148
to
pass.
B
A
B
A
B
E
The
TBM
has
already
approached
us
with
the
differences
that
was
in
the
contract
and
after
review.
We
noticed
that
they
are
either
in
a
better
position
in
bill
148
or
match
what
bill
148
already
had
done,
and
that
was
already
included
without
our
knowledge.
What
the
final
results
with
bill,
148
would
have
been.
Okay
example
would
be
the
the
living
wage
they
automatically
made
the
adjustment
because
of
bill
148.
B
I
didn't
understand
why
it
was
just
received
for
information
other
than
I
guess
this
is
going
ahead
and
I
suppose
that
means
because
it's
delegated-
and
this
is
just
an
information
report-
I
mean
I,
just
didn't
see.
All
of
the
things
that
were
supposed
to
be
addressed
in
here
in
this
report
and
I
still
disagree
with
contracting
out
these
cleaning
services.
So
that's
just
you.