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Licensing and Standards Committee, meeting 21, September 18, 2017 - Part 2 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11883
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4RAyu-HqA
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So,
just
by
way
of
background,
for
those
may
not
be
aware,
the
consumption
of
cannabis
or
marijuana
for
medicinal
purposes
has
actually
been
permitted
federally.
Since
2001
there
were
have
been
to
different
rewrites
to
that
legislation,
governing
exemptions
to
the
CDSA
for
medicinal
purposes.
The
enforce
and
effect
regular
legislation
right
now
is
the
access
to
cannabis
for
medical
purposes,
regulation
which
was
enacted
in
2016,
so
just
I
provide
that
simply
for
clarity
that
the
matter
that
we're
discussing
today
is
not
about
the
medicinal
use
or
the
medicinal
regulations.
G
It
is
about
the
pending
federal
legalization
of
cannabis
for
non
medicinal
use.
The
proposed
rules
the
federal
government
have
provided
would
regulate,
they
would
take
care
of
the
production
side
and
then
default
the
issue
around
distribution
to
the
province
as
it
turns
out
on
September,
the
8th,
the
province
of
Ontario
released
their
intentions
in
respect
to
the
proposed
district
distribution
model,
as
well
as
some
other
elements
that
fall
under
provincial
purview.
G
So
this
report
is
to
provide
you
a
summary
of
recommendations
that
we
would
like
to
have
made,
or
least
staff
have
compiled
for
committee
and
councils
decision
to
advance
to
the
both
the
federal
and
provincial
levels
of
government
in
respect
to
the
pending
legalization
of
non-medicinal
recreational
cannabis
use.
So
the
federal
regulations
bill
c-45
the
cannabis
act,
and
that
is
what
has
started
us
on
this
journey
towards
legalization.
G
It
outlines
a
variety
of
considerations,
a
summary
of
which
are
provided
on
the
slide
here
generally
about
the
minimum
age
of
purchase
being
18
or
older
and
then
defaulting
to
the
provinces.
If
they
choose
to
set
a
higher
number
speaks
to
the
quantity
of
dried
cannabis
that
can
be
in
a
person's
possession
that
third
maximum
of
30
grams.
It
outlines
additional
regulation
on
on
how
it
will
be
just
how
it
will
be
produced
under
license.
Producers
speaks
about
packaging
and
labeling
in
a
variety
of
other
other
conditions.
G
G
As
they're
addressing
legalization
as
well
talking
about
an
enforcement
strategy
to
deal
with
those
who
may
choose
to
operate
outside
of
the
lawful
regime
that
is
yet
to
be
put
into
place,
the
province
has
indicated
goal
of
having
80
storefronts
operated
by
the
province
in
place
in
time
for
the
July
1st
2018
deadline
and
sorry
40,
no
80
by
july,
2019
and
150
by
2020.
So
so
the
province
has
identified
a
staged,
rollout
of
provincial
e,
operated,
storefronts
and
well.
There's
a
there
will
be
more
to
come
on
that.
G
So
just
to
give
you
a
sense.
As
city
staff
we've
been
speaking
about
this
issue,
since
the
federal
government
released
its
its
intentions,
the
interdivisional
working
group
is
comprised
of
Toronto
Public,
Health,
City,
Planning,
Toronto,
Fire,
Services,
toronto
building,
the
Toronto
Police
Service,
our
city
manager's
office
and
others.
We
you
have
representatives
from
Toronto,
Fire
and
Toronto
Public,
Health
and
City
Planning
here
today
as
well.
G
So
with
that
in
mind,
the
report
you
have
in
front
of
you
outlines
a
series
of
recommendations
primarily
geared
at
our
our
asks,
our
requests,
our
needs
to
the
the
province
and,
in
some
cases,
the
federal
government,
and
it
starts
with
our
endorsement
of
the
provinces
plan
for
provincial
II
operated
retail
model.
This
was
previously
discussed
at
the
board
of
health
through
the
Toronto
Public
Health
report
in
June
of
2017.
G
We
believe
that
a
that
you
know
the
legalization
for
non
medicinal
use
of
cannabis
is
is
an
important
thing
that
needs
to
be
done
very
deliberately
and
very
cautiously.
Bearing
in
mind
the
public
policy
objectives
surrounding
this
really
tie
to
our
interest
in
ensuring
public
health,
our
youths,
health
and
dealing
with
the
outcomes
of
the
illicit
market.
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
have
suggested
that
we
endorse
the
provinces
plan
for
distribution.
G
We've
got
another
series
of
recommendations
that
outline
the
potential
impacts
or
those
matters
that
we
are
currently
dealing
with
and
have
been
dealing
with
since
last
year,
with
the
proliferation
of
illegal
storefronts
operating
in
our
city.
So
we've
we're
outlining
that
we
feel
in
a
go-forward
model.
We
still
are
going
to
require
partnerships,
most
certainly
the
provincial
level,
with
police
to
deal
with
enforcement.
In
that
regard,
we're
asking
that
the
city
be
involved
in
the
discussion
around
where
the
provincial
storefronts
will
be
located.
G
We
believe
that
this
type
of
an
operational
partnership
will
be
important
to
ensure
that
the
community
interests
are
her.
We're
also
suggesting
that
the
province
and/or,
the
federal
government,
as
is
appropriate,
assist
the
city
and
in
recovering
the
cost
that
we
have
had
and
may
have
in
the
future
and
respect
to
enforcement
around
a
the
legalized
regime,
but
around
the
illegal
regime
that
has
evolved.
G
Of
course,
we've
we
are
reiterating
as
well
just
in
one
point:
rec
9
the
importance
that
the
province
earmark
funding
and
really
put
a
strong
emphasis
behind
public
education,
but
also
the
ongoing
research
that
needs
to
happen.
So
we
can
understand
what
the
impacts
are
to
our
citizens
in
respect
to
enforcement.
It's
I
think
reflected
in
recommendation
five.
We
are
outlining
a
number
of
additional
authorities.
G
We
believe
the
city
would
benefit
from
having
and
in
the
context
of
the
future,
legalized,
a
regulated
regime
and
what
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
have
to
address
any
of
those
who
choose
to
operate
outside
of
that.
So,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
illegal
storefronts
continue
to
operate,
we
feel
they're
a
series
of
tools
that
would
benefit
the
city
in
respect
to
enforcement
against
those
who
choose
to
do
so.
G
We
are
continuing
our
discussions
with
the
province
in
respect
to
some
of
these
key
items
and
hoping
as
they
move
forward
with
their
their
regulatory
framework.
The
leat
the
legal,
the
legislation
that
is
drafted
is
considering
these
particular
issues
as
it
relates
to
municipal
impacts.
So
that
is
the
intention
of
the
report
today
and
I.
Guess
after
deputations
will
be
happy
to
discuss
further.
F
F
So
before
we
start
now,
first
I
wanted
to
thank
all
the
members
of
the
public
for
your
patience
and
for
waiting,
and
one
thing
that
troll
is
going
to
be
very
helpful.
Is
that
as
us
speak,
if
you
focus
on
your
remarks
as
it
relates
to
the
report's
recommendations
and
avoid
duplication,
that
will
help
tremendously
and
we
can
move
forward
as
fast
as
possible
with
that.
So
we'll
get
to
the
first
speaker
giving
home
followed
by
our
behold
and
this
akimbo.
F
H
Behalf
of
the
community
and
stakeholders
today,
my
name
is
Kevin
hall
executive,
director
of
chronic
pain,
Toronto.
It's
a
federally
licensed
nonprofit
based
out
of
Toronto
Canada
I'm.
Also,
the
CEO
of
a
company
called
international
cannabis
solutions,
there's
too
much
to
possibly
cover
as
I've
prepared
a
document
along
with
a
previously
submitted
document.
December
15
2015,
the
City
of
Toronto
titled,
the
pain
epidemic
in
Canada,
where
cannabis
fits
into
overall
treatment
plan.
H
All
members
of
this
committee
city
councillors
received
us
by
email
between
December
15,
2006,
15
and
June
2016,
including
all
their
staff,
John
Tory,
meritorious
Ori
and
TPS
their
National
cannabis
illusions
is
also
based
out
of
Toronto.
Instead
of
global
reach,
with
an
expert
team
with
over
150
years
cumulative
experience
in
healthcare,
education,
pain
management,
addiction,
medicine,
pharmacology
and,
more
specifically,
cannabis
and
cabinets,
we
are
in
e
Klien
to
act
to
address
the
federal
government's
task,
force,
recommendations
and
needs
analysis,
findings
to
provide
evidence-based
knowledge
and
consultancy
for
all
level.
Governments
within
Canada
and
globally.
H
Chronic
pain,
Toronto's
mission
is
to
help
chronic
pain
sufferers,
it's
equipment,
Lee
their
families,
reduce
and
prevent
harm,
pain
and
suffering.
This
is
accomplished
through
sharing
evidence-based
resources,
community
resources
and
vetted
information
relevant
to
chronic
pain
and
access
to
treatment,
with
Nita
spreading
awareness
in
education,
which
includes
preventative
measures.
H
Well,
I
encourage
you
to
review
the
report
in
detail
I'm
here
today
to
discuss
the
SIA
Toronto
presenting
factual
data
research
and
evidence.
I
also
want
to
encourage
further
public
consultation
on
this
process,
so
we
have
an
evidence-based
knowledge
and
policy
change,
which
is
consistent
with
the
Toronto
drug
strategies.
Proven
position
and
I
quote
the
city
of
drug
of
Toronto's
Drug
Strategy
report
2016
indicates
leadership
and
coordination
are
critical
to
improving
our
collective
response
to
alcohol
and
other
drug
issues
through
the
TDs.
The
C
of
Toronto
has
taken
on
this
leadership
role,
recognizing
that
success.
H
It
depends
on
effective
collaboration
and
cooperation
amongst
all
stakeholders.
I
have
to
have
to
ask
it.
Has
this
mission
then
effectively
been
maintained
with
very
little
collaboration
among
stakeholders
in
this
matter?
Our
honourable
executive
director,
I'm,
sorry
I
forget
your
name.
She
mentioned
that
there
was
a
lot
of
internal
consulting
going
on
through
the
province
in
the
city.
I
didn't
hear
anything
about
stakeholders,
whether
it
be
the
public
or
actual
professional
organizations
outside
the
city
or
a
government
being
consulted
in
any
manner
and
in
fact,
I'd
like
to
hopefully
get
some
answers
to
that.
H
At
a
later
time,
we
were
encouraged
to
see
the
chief
Toronto's
chief
medical
officer
made
her
own
comment
to
CBC
June
2nd,
stating
that
a
significant
number
of
young
Canadians
will
continue
to
obtain
criminal
charges
before
cannabis
is
legalized.
Dr.
alien
Davila
warns
the
in
her
report,
which
was
reviewed
by
the
Toronto
Board
of
Health,
and
she
states,
given
that
cannabis
possession
will
soon
be
made
lawful
and
Canada,
recommends
that
the
Board
of
Health
urged
the
federal
government
to
immediately
decriminalize
the
possession
of
non
medical
cannabis
for
personal
use.
H
This
is
especially
true
in
the
light
of
sorry.
We
also
have
another
comment
from
a
former
police
chief
of
both
Sudbury
and
Victoria.
His
name
is
Frank
Elsner.
He
provides
us
comment.
The
cost
of
investigating
prosecuting
cannabis
dispensaries
is
a
huge
cost
and
burden
to
precious
police
resources,
as
well
as
it's
a
judicial
system.
This
is
especially
true
in
light
of
public
sentiment,
recent
court
rulings
and
new
federally
registered
legislation.
H
A
fair
regulatory
system
needs
to
be
imminent
implemented
that
doesn't
add
to
the
already
overstressed
system,
again,
former
police
chief
Sudbury,
recently
Victoria
and
part
of
Umbra
strategic
solutions.
I
support
the
government's
two
biggest
concerns
with
you,
this
new
legislation
surrounding
cannabis,
which
are
protecting
our
youth
and
eliminating
the
black
market.
In
this
regard,
we
want
to
further
encourage
an
evidence-based
approach
to
policy
change
and
recommend
looking
at
the
models
of
Portugal
and
Colorado,
which
are
both
privatized
and
implemented
there.
H
Lessons
learned
in
for
success
in
public
health
harm
reduction
principles,
both
models
emphasize
education,
over
law
enforcement
as
a
key
tool
for
success
in
both
areas,
education
is
socially
integrated
programs
and
non
aggressive
approaches
to
law.
Enforcement
are
shown
to
be
the
formula
for
success,
and
integration
has
been
proven
at
the
court
of
law
enforcement.
Sorry
that
current
law
enforcement
approaches
are
costly
and
result
in
a
debate
in
a
diversion
of
key
resources
from
priority
policing
initiatives.
Thank
you.
I
I
H
I
can
tell
you
that
the
report
that
we
did
submit
to
the
City
of
Toronto
December
15th
was
used
amongst
many
steering
committees
across
the
country,
the
Senate,
the
federal
task
force,
many
municipalities
across
the
country
and
frankly,
were
confused.
Why
Toronto
didn't
want
to
look
at
it
or
resource
it?.
I
H
I
I
J
Right
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Abby
Abby
roach
Abby
hot
is
my
real
name
owner
of
the
hot
box
and
director
of
the
CFP.
A
to
put
this
simply
from
the
top.
The
private
dwelling
consumption
scheme,
the
province
of
Ontario
is
planning
to
roll
out
is
simply
not
feasible
for
the
City
of
Toronto.
In
a
city
of
four
hundred
and
seventy-five
thousand
rental
units
per
condo
and
shared
dwelling,
households
represent
50%
of
the
housing
market
and
rapidly
growing,
ninety
percent
of
which
are
non-smoking.
J
Sorry,
where
is
in
your
home,
cannabis
conception,
consumption
supposed
to
occur.
The
City
of
Toronto
is
currently
home
to
over
700
thousand
regular
cannabis
consumers,
and
this
number
is
only
due
to
grow
with
legalization.
Our
parents
expected
to
smoke
marijuana
in
their
homes
with
the
children
in
the
next
room,
people
living
with
the
elderly
or
those
with
respiratory
issues.
J
Our
landlords
expected
to
allow
cannabis
smoke
in
apartments
that
have
no
cigarette
smoking
rules,
and
will
this
take
into
consideration
neighbors,
roommates
and
others
living
in
close
proximity
to
units
occupied
by
cannabis
consumers.
We
then
have
to
consider
the
vast
tourism
market
of
over
1.5
million
tourists
who
visit
our
city
each
year.
Many
more
will
come
simply
to
enjoy
what
they
would
come
to
expect
of
legal
cannabis.
J
Where
are
these
Tours
supposed
to
consume
their
legal
cannabis
in
their
non-smoking
hotel
rooms?
People
who
live
in
urban
centers
simply
do
not
have
the
luxury
of
private
outdoor
space.
Our
parks
and
streets
will
become
the
consumption
spaces
if
cannabis,
lounges
are
forced
to
lock
their
doors,
not
due
to
lack
of
respect
for
the
rule
of
law,
but
simply
out
of
necessity.
The
City
of
Toronto
already
has
a
solution
for
consumption
in
existence.
J
J
Cannabis
lounges
have
existed
in
the
City
of
Toronto
since
the
opening
of
the
hotbox
in
2003,
when
cannabis
can
I'm
sorry
when
Canada's
cannabis
laws
fell.
The
first
time
when
on
Friday
May
16th,
the
Ontario
Superior
Court,
upheld
the
lower
court
decision
concerning
the
rule
a
case
of
pot
possession
in
Ontario.
This
decision
was
binding
on
Ontario's
lower
courts,
which
means
that
no
one
can
be
convicted
of
pot
possession
in
the
province
of
Ontario,
since
2003
Toronto
has
not
seen
a
lounge
explosion.
J
J
They
also
provide
education
as
well
as
offering
a
social
setting
which
is
amazingly
beneficial
to
our
medical
consumers,
many
of
which
are
seniors
veterans,
the
disabled
and
those
suffering
from
debilitating
chronic
pain
and
ailments.
In
2012,
the
MLS
conducted
its
own
investigation
into
cannabis,
lounges
they
XI
of
cannabis,
licensing,
I'm.
Sorry,
the
issue
of
licensing
cannabis
lounges
had
been
brought
to
the
city,
at
which
time
a
report
was
prepared
and
presented
to
the
licensing
and
Standards
Committee
I.
Had
them
printed
there
on
your
desks,
you
can
take
a
look.
J
It
was
determined
that
cannabis
lounges
provide
a
safe
space
for
patients
to
medicate
and
cannabis.
Consumers
to
congregate,
quote
in
allowing
these
establishments
to
be
properly
licensed
will
ensure
that
the
city
respects
the
rights
of
individuals
who
are
legally
permitted
to
consume
marijuana
for
medical
purposes,
while
ensuring
the
public
safety
and
community
order
concerns
are
addressed,
MLS
2012.
J
Furthermore,
in
that
same
report
the
Toronto
Police
Services
stated,
though
medical
marijuana
users
are
entitled
to
possess
and
consume
their
marijuana
at
home
or
at
vapor
lounges.
The
TPS
believes
there
should
be
restrictions
on
smoking.
Marijuana
include
for
medical
purposes
and
outdoor
public
spaces.
J
So
in
conclusion,
Toronto
municipal
licensing,
Toronto,
Police
Services,
the
federal
task
force
for
Bill
c-45
and
the
general
public
have
all
stated
the
need
want
and
necessity
of
cannabis
lounges
to
exist.
I
employ
the
City
of
Toronto
to
speak
up
and
stand
up
for
what
is
right
for
the
citizens
and
the
city.
Our
cannabis
lounges
are
the
solution
to
the
future
of
Public,
Health
and
Safety
municipal
policy
when
it
comes
to
the
issue
of
cannabis
consumption
in
our
thriving
urban
center.
Thank
you.
If
you
have
any
questions.
Thank.
F
Know
that
this
is
an
item,
that's
extremely
emotional,
to
a
lot
of
people
very
important
to
you.
But
we
have
our
own
rules
and
in
terms
of
a
number
to
refer
to
chapter
27,
section
27-23,
that
it
does
allow
any
display
of
science,
black
cars
applauding
and
during
presentations
or
engage
in
conversations
on
any
other
behavior
that
may
disrupt
the
meaning.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
you
please
and
no.
J
J
C
J
J
C
J
C
J
Yeah,
it's
five
dollars:
entry
at
the
door
for
most
lounges.
It's
all
the
same
price
across
the
board
that
covers
our.
You
know
our
staffing
and
it
covers.
You
know
the
building,
whatever
else
not,
and
we
also
have
a
retail
component
that
retails
cannabis
lifestyle
products.
So
that's
separate
for
me,
like
people
always
ask
it's
like
well.
J
J
J
I
You
chair,
thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
Abbi
is
it
Abby
did
was?
Was
your
organization
or
anybody
else
you
knowing
the
industry
being
consulted
by
the
province
or
the
federal
government
about
who
was
gonna
happen
to
your
lounges
or
the
way
that
the
dispensing
of
marijuana
is
going
to
be
taking
place?
No.
J
Everything
that
we
have
put
forward
we
have
sent
out
so
we've
sent
out
our
reports
and
everything
else
of
the
federal
task
force
report
which
it
was
included.
That
was
our
recommendation
was
their
recommendation.
Nobody
called
us
I
did
prior
to
the
election.
My
BIA
meeting
I
got
to
meet
my
MP
and
she
had
something
different.
J
I
I
J
I
I
J
They're
gonna
have
to
break
the
law
and
go
out
on
the
street
because
the
proposed
law
it
could
sort
of
mixes
alcohols,
so
you're
not
allowed
to
consume
alcohol
on
the
street
right
and
then
it
mixes
in
tobacco,
but
it
doesn't
allow
for
consumption
on
the
street
or
in
public
spaces.
Right
you're
allowed
to
smoke
your
cigarettes
out
on
the
street
you're
allowed
to
smoke
the
cigarettes
so
far
from
this
that,
in
the
other,
you're
not
allowed
to
bring
your
alcohol
out.
So
what
they've
done
is
they've,
essentially
demonize
cannabis.
I
I
Having
to
consume
this
in
order
to
feel
better,
do
you
think
that
putting
this
person
out
on
the
street
add
to
his
to
his
or
her
PTSD
situation?
Absolutely
so
it
would
be
irresponsible
of
us
mm-hmm
to
put
extra
pressure
on
a
first
responder
suffering
from
PTSD
that
was
out
there
for
for
after
us
or
a
veteran
absolutely.
I
J
I
K
D
Hey
good
afternoon,
so
this
represents
an
enormous
opportunity,
moving
forward
for
the
city
to
create
dialogue
with
cannabis
businesses,
as
we
near
legalization.
The
fact
that
the
Ontario
government
has
decided
that
they
would
like
to
take
our
jobs
and
distribute
cannabis
is
actually
a
sign
of
normalization,
and
you
know
we're
starting
from
a
restricted
framework,
but
there's
lots
of
room
to
create
diverse
licensing,
so
to
start
I'd
like
to
speak
to
recommendation
one,
which
is
that
the
city
would
like
to
go
along
with
the
provinces
plan.
D
We
know
that
what
the
provincial
government
announced
last
week
of
provincial
storefronts
will
not
work
for
several
reasons.
Many
which
will
be
addressed
by
other
deputy
ends,
there's
simply
not
enough
storefronts
and
nails.
So
there
needs
to
be
opportunities
to
license
diverse
businesses.
So
we
just
heard
about
the
potential
for
licensing
lounges
and
consumption
spaces
in
the
city
and,
as
we
know,
the
city
will
have
to
work
with
the
province
to
amend
provincial
legislation.
That
includes
the
liquor
licensing
act,
as
well
as
a
smoke-free
ontario
act
to
allow
these
businesses
to
exist.
D
So,
if
we're
not
going
to
have
private
storefronts
dispensaries
that
the
city
has
decided
with
the
province
and
the
federal
government
to
shut
us
all
down
in
order
to
eliminate
the
black
market,
you
need
to
provide
opportunities
to
integrate
the
existing
gray
market
with
licensing.
So
we
can
be
compliant.
We
want
to
be
compliant
with
the
city.
We
want
to
be
working
with
government
to
provide
safe
access
to
our
customers,
but
without
having
conversations
without
engaging
stakeholders
meaningfully
in
dialogue,
that's
impossible.
So
our
recommendation
is
along
with
recommendation
six,
which
is.
D
We
know
that
the
provincial
government
has
recommended
that
the
AG
CEO
look
at
licensing
consumption
spaces
because,
as
we
know
in
Colorado
Wednesday
legalized
cannabis,
they
did
not
account
for
consumption
spaces
and
they
had
to
go
back
and
spend
lots
of
money
amending
that
legislation
to
account
for
these.
So
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to.
Instead
of
being
regressive
and
taking
in
1920s
approach
to
legalization,
we
can
be
progressive
as
City
Council
and
come
up
with
innovative
solutions
for
legalization.
D
So
what
does
that
look
like?
Well,
we've
discussed
the
potential
of
lounges.
We
have
safe
consumption
sites.
There's
a
pop
up,
safe
consumption
site,
currently
in
Moss
Park.
What
we
would
like
instead
of
pop-ups,
is
to
have
a
real
licensing
prospects
where
stakeholders
are
consulted
that
could
take
many
different
forms.
It
could
take
the
form
of
lounges.
You
know
in
the
future.
Edibles
will
be
regulated
as
well.
So
restaurants,
the
hospitality
industry
in
Toronto,
is
one
of
it's
going
to
want
to
have
a
huge
stake
in
this.
D
You
know
we
have
some
of
the
best
food
in
the
world
and
a
lot
of
these
chefs
are
cannabis
consumers
and
want
to
participate
in
this
industry.
So,
instead
of
creating
room
for
a
black
market
by
having
no
licensing
available
for
these
businesses,
we
need
to
work
in
conjunction
with
the
AG
CEO,
to
create
these
opportunities
for
licensing
finally
Toronto
the
International
City.
So
we
have
to
look
towards
international
innovative
models
for
cannabis
legalization,
so
we
know
that
we're
not
the
first
country
to
legalize
cannabis.
Uruguay
has
just
legalized
cannabis.
No
one's
talked
about
it.
D
No
one
from
Uruguay
was
at
the
hearings
last
week
on
the
federal
level.
They
did
not
consult
one
single
government
official.
So
what
did
Uruguay
do
with
legalization?
First,
they
endorsed
pharmacies,
just
like
the
City
of
Toronto.
The
City
of
Toronto
Board
of
Health
recommendation
was
that
we
should
have
a
pharmacy
model
as
a
solution
to
the
dispensary
crisis.
What
we've
seen
in
Uruguay
is
that
pharmacies
were
unable
just
like
in
Canada
to
distribute
cannabis.
So,
instead
of
taking
a
pharmacy
approach
to
legalization,
Uruguay
has
just
opened
dispensaries.
D
Last
week
they
were
not
consulted
at
all
at
the
federal
level
in
terms
of
how
we
should
roll
out
legalization
so
because
the
pharmacy
model
failed,
they
have
gone
forward
with
dispensaries
which
are
actually
cash
only
because
they're
not
able
to
access
banking.
Luckily,
in
Canada
we
have
an
enormous
opportunity
to
work
with
government
to
work
with
licensed
producers.
Do
you
have
regulated
access
to
cannabis
through
a
diversity
of
licensing?
If
our
municipal,
licensing
and
Standards
Committee
would
actually
engage
us
as
stakeholders,
along
with
Toronto
Public
Health,
to
figure
out
what
is
access?
D
Gonna
look
like
because
150
storefronts
is
not
gonna
cut
it
right
now
in
Toronto,
there's,
probably
over
a
hundred,
so
to
say
that
150
access
points
will
be.
You
know
enough
for
the
whole
province
of
Ontario
is
you
know
not
very
realistic,
so
we're
hoping
that
given
Uruguay's
experience
with
pharmacies
being
a
failing
model,
and
given
that
the
federal
government
has
not
licensed
pharmacies
for
distribution
that
we
can
look
at
alternatives
to
dispensaries,
including
lounges,
bakeries,
cafes,
hotels,
the
potential
for
licensing
and
revenue
for
the
city
is
enormous.
We
just
need
to
have
the
conversation.
L
D
D
L
D
L
C
D
Seems
that
the
Attorney
General
is
open
to
a
lot
of
future
possibilities,
including
the
potential
for
a
private
store
friends,
if
this
is
just
the
beginning,
so
hopefully
well,
you
know
there
is
the
plan
to
close
down
every
single
dispensary
in
Ontario
over
the
next
year.
We
can
still
engage
stakeholders
and
push
for
dispensaries
to
be
included
as
the
model
right.
C
But
what
I'm
saying
is
whether
how
about
whatever
the
province
decides
they're
gonna
make
that
decision,
but
they're,
not
I,
didn't
see
anything
in
stone.
That
said,
it's
only
going
to
be
a
hundred
and
fifty
stores
it's
a
hundred
and
fifty
by
2020,
but
it
could
expand
to
500
I
guess,
theoretically,
could
it
not
it.
D
Could
theoretically
expand,
but
consumers
are
choosing
with
their
feet
where
they
would
like
access
and
the
products
that
will
be
carried
in
the
government
stores
will
potentially
only
include
dried
bud
and
oil.
So
if
your
goal
is
to
eliminate
the
black
market,
the
products
that
are
available
in
dispensaries
currently
well
exceed
that
there
are
hundreds
of
different
products.
So
I
think
that
well
I
applaud
the
government
for
wanting
to
control
cannabis.
They
need
to
integrate
the
existing
businesses,
or
else
consumers
will
just
not
show
up
to
these
stores.
They
might
potentially
boycott
them.
Okay,.
E
N
N
N
N
It
was
a
mandate
that
we
gave
back
like
I,
said
more
than
just
cannabis
and
I
wanted
to
give
back
to
mental
health,
because
I
suffer
with
PTSD,
so
we
created
the
lost
organization.
The
lost
organization
is
a
16
week
program
that
gives
back
to
people
with
mental
health
illnesses
through
yoga
classes,
different
structured
programs
regarding
it
could
be
PTSD
one
week.
It
could
be
eating
disorder,
it
could
be
suicide,
it
could
be
sexual
abuse.
We
we
tackle
all
the
aspects
to
give
back
to
the
community.
N
We
also
created
a
fundraising
division,
called
the
collective
care
disabled
us
to
work
with
other
community
members
and
other
dispensaries
to
raise
money
for
four
different
people
who
were
sick
in
different
charities
in
the
last
year
alone.
Mmj
canada,
with
the
help
of
multiple
other
dispensaries,
have
raised
over
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars
now.
N
Sometimes
when
we
got
wind
of
it
at
MJ
Canada,
we
decided
to
take
on
the
Bill
of
Lyndsey's
medication
expenses,
because
the
licensed
producer
refused
to
help.
We
then
decided
to
keep
taking
on
the
bill
until
we
could
find
a
producer
that
could
work
with
us
and
mimic
the
exact
same
medication
down
to
the
ingredient.
N
The
problem
is
with
this
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
hear
about
the
things
that
we
do
in
the
community
and
the
dispensaries
are
doing
all
sorts
of
these
things,
and
it's
just
not
being
recognized.
I
hope
this
council
can
open
up
their
hearts
and
minds
to
see
that
there
is
a
craft
market
that
is
needed.
We
both
we
all
know
that
you
want
to
eliminate
organized
crime
in
allowing
dispensaries
with
strict
regulations
of
affair.
E
Thank
you
so
much
first
of
all,
mr.
chair
and
the
members
of
the
committee,
its
opportunity
to
speak
on
the
recommendation
to
help
with
the
legalization
process,
MMJ
Canada,
where
we
have
ten
dispensaries
across
Canada
and
we
employ
over
150
staff
and
that,
on
a
projected
basis,
this
year
alone
is
going
to
be
plus
five
million
dollars
in
payroll
that
our
pensionable
earnings,
so
of
which
it's
1.3
million,
would
the
allocated
to
paying
taxes,
CPP
and
AI,
and,
of
course,
we
file
now
because
of
our
sales.
Now
we
file
on
a
monthly
basis.
E
Everything
is
on
time.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
file
our
CPP
taxes
on
behalf
of
our
employees,
so
we
are
legitimate
business,
but
just
in
the
legal
framework,
now
we
want
to
be
as
transparent
as
possible.
Because,
again
you
know
we
are
legitimate
business.
A
corporation
we
put
all
of
our
staff,
all
of
150,
of
our
staff
through
a
90
day,
training
program,
and
after
that,
90
days
they
go
through
a
course.
That's
taught
by
the
trichome
Institute
who
is
based
out
of
Colorado
on
the
responsible
vendor
ring
basically
teaches
them.
E
Sorry
I'm,
the
employee
vision
program
that
we've
implemented
recently
that
allows
our
employees
to
suggest
ideas
to
help
us
as
a
company
move
forward
from
a
say,
health
and
safety
perspective
to
increasing
productivity,
to
you
know
how
better
we
can
service
the
community.
Now,
that's
just
to
show
that
you
know
we
are
a
responsible
vendor
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
adhere
to
the
higher
standards.
Obviously
there
has
not
been
a
standard,
that's
been
set
by
our
government
and
I'm.
Quite
surprised
that
you
know
no
one
has
approached
us.
You
know
we.
E
We
are
one
of
the
biggest
and
we
are
one
of
the
ones
that
have
been
industry.
We
are
one
of
the
ones
that
have
created
the
framework
to
really
assist.
You
know
our
government
and
you
know
I'm
quite
surprised
that
you
know
we
having
been
approached
to
see
you
know
or
open
our
books
to
our
friend
government
to
be
able
to
either
mirror
that
structure
or
improve
on
that
framework.
So
that
way
that
can
include
everybody.
E
Now
most
of
us
here
have
children,
I
have
my
son,
his
name
Damian
he's
turning
three
years
old
December
and
he's
a
huge
sports
fanatic
and
I
want
to
put
him
through
the
training
for
the
next
15
years.
So
that
way,
one
day
when
you
know
he's
ready
to
go
on
the
international
stage
that
he
can
represent
Canada
in
the
Olympics
now
15
years
from
now,
you
know
just
because
he
didn't
go
through
a
program
that
you
know
the
government
has
legislated
or
proposed.
E
E
We
are
basically
challenging
the
growth
in
span
ssin
of
democracy
in
our
home
native
land,
and
you
know
by
us
having
a
standard
and
setting
the
standards
out
already
and
that
you
know
we
would
be
able
to
partner
with
the
government
to
ensure
that
that
framework
is
there
to
help
them
with
their
60
to
120
stores.
That
would
also
include
us
as
well
for
the
ones
who
came
out
with
that
structure
to
be
able
to
help
them.
E
That
says,
there
there's
there's
two
steps
into
this
process
here,
one
not
only
the
government
is
holding
us
to
our
standards,
but
we're
also
holding
a
government
to
the
standards
that
should
be
out
there.
That
should
be
legislated
that
you
know,
should
open
up
the
free
market
for
everybody
to
you
know,
operate
in
a
responsible
manner.
Now
you're
gonna
hear
a
lot
of
people
talking
about
stakeholders.
Yes,
you
know
1.3
million
dollars
in
taxes,
CPP
and
AI.
E
That's
only
us
what
about
the
other
stakeholders
that
are
involved,
the
distribution,
the
fulfillment,
the
corner
store
Pizza
shop.
So
if
you
are
not
including
dispensaries
as
as
the
model
into
this
model,
you
essentially
limiting
the
growth
from
an
economics
perspective
and
also
shutting
out
the
talented
people
and
individuals
that
you
who
are
not
recognized
anywhere
else
for
their
specialized
skills
and
an
experience.
So
you
know
we
are
the
creator
and
you
know
I,
think
I
think
we
should
be
including
that
one.
N
More
thing,
sorry
that
since
we
have
a
minute
left,
I
know
a
concern.
A
lot
from
counselors
and
people
on
the
outside
is
our
supply
and
where
we
get
our
supply
from.
This
is
something
that
has
bothered
me
for
a
long
time,
because
we've
we've
been
asking
for
supply
chains,
we
get
our
Medicare
or
cannabis
from
mmer
growers,
and
you
know
they're
not
included
in
this
new
regime
and
we've
been
begging.
E
I'd
also
just
like
to
add,
from
a
security
perspective,
ten
seconds
left.
We
recently
had
our
business
license
granted
by
the
city
of
Nelson.
Now
we
actually
that's
out
in
DC,
so
we
actually
didn't
even
have
a
building
at
the
time,
but
our
security
proposal
to
the
city
of
Nelson
ranked
four
out
of
five.
So
that's
just
to
say
that
we
are
conducting
our
business
in
you
know
as
safe.
You
know
as
possible
and
given
the
fact
that
we
are
not
recognized
yet
by
our
government,
that
doesn't
mean
that
you
know
we
don't
have.
E
N
C
C
C
N
As
I
said,
we
were,
we
wanted
a
partnership,
you
know
we
want
to.
We
want
to
work
with
the
government,
we
want
to
have
a
supply
chain,
we
want
to
be
able
to
be
involved.
We
know
that
the
government
needs
majority
of
control.
We
understand
that
there
needs
to
be
a
standard
set
and
you
guys
want
to
make
sure
people
are
safe
and
people,
and
it's
being
done
right,
we
get
it
it's
the
first
time.
N
What
you
guys
are
doing
is
nothing
short
of
amazing
and
you
guys
are
being
put
in
a
very
complicating
position
to
try
to
appease
thirty
million
Canadians.
All's
we
want
is
a
little
bit
of
the
market,
so
we
can
exist.
So
we
can
so
we
can
do
what
we
do
for
the
the
community
and
give
back.
So
we
can
continue
to
be
small
businesses
and
survive
in
the
life
that
we've
created
for
ourselves
and,
for
you
know,
MMJ
alone,
a
hundred
and
ninety
other
employees,
yeah.
C
N
C
You,
okay,
so
you
know
I
think
the
another
first
mention
something
about
bakeries.
Yeah
with
that.
Would
you
be
okay
with
that
sort
of
model
where
the
LCBO,
one
of
the
better
term,
sells
sort
of
I'll,
say
more,
the
home
consumption
bulk
items,
and
but
people
could
go
to
a
CC,
be
like
anything
like
that.
Yeah.
N
C
N
So
to
me
the
as
long
as
there's
a
model
set
in
place,
that
seems
to
be
fair,
I,
think
on
our
side
of
the
industry,
anyways
and
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
for
everybody,
but
for
mmmm
J
can
at
this
point
of
view,
is
that
we
just
want
to
be
included
in
some
part,
but
we
want
it
to
be
fair.
We
want
our
voices
to
be
heard.
We
just
don't
want
to
be
completely
shut
out
and
as
of
right
now
we're
being
completely
shut
out.
N
That's
what
we've
been
told,
and
that
is
a
concern
for
a
lot
of
the
people
in
here,
because
it's
there's
a
lot
more
to
you
know.
Everybody
just
keeps
saying
in
the
organized
crime
and
nobody's
talking
about
the
positive
things
that
the
these
industry
or
these
people
in
the
industry
are
doing
to
give
back
to
the
community
I.
Don't
know
why
that's
not
recognized
well,.
C
N
I
mean
is:
is
that
why
wouldn't
you
want
these
brands
in
the
exhibit
in
the
new
market?
Is
what
I
mean?
So,
if
there's
these
positive
brands
that
are
doing
good
in
the
community,
why
would
you
want
to
eliminate
them
from
the
new
existing
one,
especially
when
they've
been
around
for
15
years
and
they've
helped
set
up
the
structure
of
mean.
L
L
L
So
could
you
understand
why
we
might
hesitate
to
deal
do
business
with
you?
Yes,
but
when
there
may
be
other
business
people
like
yourselves
sourcing,
you
know
what
I'm
gonna
wait:
I'm
gonna
bei
the
law,
I'm
gonna,
wait
till
the
government
comes
out
with
its
regulations
and
then
hopefully,
I'll
follow,
but
you've
you've
decided
to
purposely
do
things
illegal
every
single
day
of
the
week.
You
know
it's
against
the
law.
You
flout
the
law,
but
today
you're
saying
you
know
what?
Maybe
you
should
just
let
us
in
I
mean
next.
N
We
understand
your
concern,
sir,
and
I
greatly
appreciate
your
point
of
view
on
that
now
the
problem
is
is
clearly
the
way
the
regulations
have
been
rolled
out
is
that
it's
favoring
big
Corp
in
the
government
and
not
small
businesses.
So
the
reason
why
we
came
early
so
we
could
show
the
government
that
we
can
self-govern
ourself
to
a
certain
standard.
Now
I
know
that
not
all
companies
uphold
what
you
guys.
N
Think
of
the
standard
is
but
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
trying
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
are
working
with
other
cities.
So
I
don't
understand
so
it's
it's
illegal
here,
it's
illegal
in
Vancouver,
it's
illegal
in
Nelson,
but
yet
Nelson
and
Vancouver
are
deciding
to
work
with
these
illegal
dispensaries
or
has
been
doing
what
they
want
for
15
years
and
incorporating
them
now
it
doesn't
mean
we're
gonna
come
to
Toronto
and
if
you
give
us
a
little
bit
an
inch,
we're
gonna
take
three.
You
give
us
three.
N
N
This
is
the
first
time
that
anyone's
ever
approaches
or
even
questioned
us
about
our
business
I've
been
waiting
for
the
day
that
people
come
into
MMJ
Canada,
so
I
can
show
it
off
and
show
the
people
that
what
we've
done
to
give
back
I'm
very,
very,
very
proud
of
what
we
are
doing
to
give
back
to
the
community
and
the
services
we
provide
on
a
store
level
front
right.
All
of
it,
though,
is
illegal
removal.
L
So
what
gives
us
any
assurance
that
if
we
set
a
regime
for
dispensaries,
you
say
well,
that's
great,
that
you'll
just
break
the
law
again
because
you'll
say
well
now:
you've
good
you've
got
a
category
say
we
legalized
it,
which
we
can't
do.
We
had
another
set
of
another
regime
for
rules
for
Public
Safety,
then
you're
gonna,
say
well
any
rule
that
I
don't
like
I'm
just
going
to
ignore
and
engage
in
illegal
activity
because
you've
already
done
it.
You
we've
shown
us
who
you
are
right.
E
Absolutely
thank
you
so
much
for
that,
sir,
and
now.
The
reason
why
we're
operating
illegally
is
because
there
really
isn't
or
wasn't
regulation
set
in
stones
right.
There
is
a
there's,
a
prohibition-
yes,
yes
great
for
us
to
follow
and
to
be
pioneers
in
his
energy.
We're
we're
our
nation's
one
of
the
first
to
you
know
knowledge
that
the
marijuana
is.
You
know
one
of
the.
E
Know
wonder:
first,
we're
are
one
of
the
first
we
should
have
been
ahead
of
us,
but
now
we're
lagging
behind
is
because
there's
not
enough
pioneers
like
ourselves
to
be
able
to
challenge
the
status
quo.
Now
we're
not
challenging
the
government
there's
the
work.
We
want
to
work
with
the
government,
we're
not
challenging
them
at
all,
but
it
comes
to
a
point
where,
if
we're
setting
the
stage
for
the
international
game,
you
know
we
have
to
adhere
to
the
standards
and
there
was
no
standards.
E
So
we
are
the
one,
that's
creating
that
standard
for
the
rest
of
the
industry.
Sir,
have
you
been
to
any
of
our
shops
at
all
or,
as
a
matter
of
the
committee
here?
Has
anyone
been
to
our
shops?
I
suggest
you
guys
all
doing
highly
suggest
and
Clint
and
myself
will
take
you
on
a
tour
and
you'll,
see
exactly
why
you
know
we
get
raided
once
and
then
will
we
get.
E
L
N
Real
quickly
now,
so
you
say
that
if
you
know,
if
you
give
us
the
benefit
that
that
what
you
know,
we've
already
proven
to
you
that
were
breaking
the
law,
what
would
make
you
feel
that
you'd
be
confident
in
giving
it
to
us
right
now?
Why
is
it
that
Vancouver,
when
they
have
done
this
in
Nelson,
everybody
is
off
operated
illegal
illegally,
all
across
Canada
from
Nova
Scotia,
all
the
way
to
Victoria
so
Victoria
Vancouver
Nelson?
N
They
do
not
believe
that
these
things
are
gonna
have
a
ripple
effect
of
us
keeping
keeping
the
black
market
point
of
view.
If
we
get
regulated
in
Vancouver
the
process
alone
to
fill
out,
the
licensing
form
Sean
can
vouch
for
is
like
hair-pulling
and
it
takes
forever
and
we've
gone
through.
All
we've
gone
through
we've
gone
through
all
the
processing
that
we
have
possibly
needed.
Once
we've
been
given
the
opportunity
we
don't
I,
don't
I
think
that
you
think
that
our
industry
is
very
vindictive
we're
a
very
passive
industry.
N
All
we
want
is
to
be
accepted
in
and
included
and
and
when
to
you
and
I
believe.
If
you
do
give
us
that
benefit
of
the
doubt,
you
will
see
people
follow
more
rules.
You
will
see.
People
adhere
to
anything
that
you
do
and
not
anything
you
guys
say,
but
majority
of
the
things
that
you
guys
put
in
place
for
a
structure.
Okay,.
I
Actually
I'm
just
wondering
this
is
something
comparable
to
Ober.
Yes,
uber
was
yes,
uber
was
illegal.
Yes,
we
legalized
them
and,
to
this
day,
they're
continuing
to
operate
still
illegal.
A
lot
of
their
cars
got
to
have
decals
in
the
back
and
they
don't
have
okay
I'm
sure
this
will
not
be
the
case
with
you
once
we
legalize
you
or
we're
allowed
to
leave
I.
N
Think
it
would
be
a
little
different
I
think
for
you
guys
when
it
comes
down
to
the
regulations
that
you've
put
in
place
for
the
growing
side
of
things.
So
far,
sir,
the
LLP,
the
licensing
in
the
structure
and
in
the
security
processes
that
they
have
to
go
through
to
complete
the
processes
is,
is
very,
very
hard.
I
think
when
it
comes
to
storefronts.
If
you
set
up
a
system
that
is,
you
know,
restricted,
but
are
partly
not
restricted
at
a
fair
and
reasonable
you're.
I
I
I
I
N
Not
quite
sure,
sir,
you
know
I
focus
a
lot
on
my
own
brand,
as
there
is
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done.
Having
mental
health
organizations
and
fundraising
divisions,
so
I
stick
to
the
to
our
car
company.
Where
do
you
get
your
cannabis?
Do
you
get
in
legally
or
do
you?
We
get
it
from
mmer
growers
and
we
are
now
looking
for
suppliers,
which
is
almost
next
to
impossible,
with
the
the
regulation
set
up
to
be
getting
it
from
one
of
the
lights,
not
like
marijuana.
N
I
N
Kind
of
it
kind
of
really
just
it
hurts.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
people
here
and
I
I'm
I'm
far
from
one
of
the
ones
who've
been
here
for
a
long
time.
Sir
there's
people
that
have
been
sitting
in
this
room
and
have
been
amazing
activists,
and
sometimes
people
don't
agree
with
the
way
they
go
about
things,
but
essentially
they've
been
the
voices
our
community
for
almost
15
to
20
years
they've
been
trying
to
get
is.
Is
your.
N
I
You'd
be
able
to
provide
marijuana
at
a
lower
cost
than
the
province.
The
province
has
to
run
stores
that
are
over
sir.
You
know
leak
big
outfits,
they're
gonna
have
to
be
regularized,
they're
gonna
be
unionized,
so,
but
you
can
you
can
provide
it
cheaper.
Yes,
so
somebody
that
suffers
from
post-traumatic
stress
disorder,
yes,
veteran
or
fern
flying
paramedic
or
you
know,
yeah
one
of
our
frontline
individuals
fired
police
they'd
be
able
to
come
to
you
much
faster
to
get
marijuana
yes
and
in
order
to
relieve
their
pain.
Yes,.
N
Sir,
and
then
also
as
well
as
with
with
certain
companies
again,
I
can't
speak
on
behalf,
but
with
MMJ
Canada
I
have
worked
out
that
we
helped
ten
patients
a
year
that
we
completely
pay
for
their
medication.
So
we
so
if
somebody
does
come
in
with
PTSD-
and
we
know
that
they're
suffering
and
we
have
a
sit-down
consultation.
If
we
don't
have
up
to
the
ten
patients
that
we're
covering
this
year,
we
will
help
someone
and
we
will
cover
all
their
costs.
Doing
so
do.
I
N
I
P
Comment:
first,
if
I
don't
buy
your
argument,
what
you're
trying
to
tell
us
is
they
you
want
to
work
with
the
government
and
what
you're
trying
to
tell
us
is
that
businesses
that
are
operating
illegally.
We
should
allow
you
to
operate
illegally,
ignore
the
rules
and
and
and
allow
you
to
operate.
Who
say
you.
P
N
P
N
You're
right,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
your
opinion,
man.
Let's
not
focus
on
any
of
the
other
things
that
we
spoke
about,
the
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
the
mental
health
organization,
the
fundraising
division.
Let's
completely
ignore
about
all
the
positive
things
that
these
illegal
dispensaries
are
doing
when
you
before
well,
no,
they
should
be
regulated
and
legalized.
Excuse
me.
F
Okay,
I'm
going
to
ask
members
of
the
public
and
also
members
of
the
committee
that,
when
you
are
speaking,
speak
respectfully
at
all
times
in
refraining
from
using
any
offensive
disrespectful
on
parliamentary
language
about
anybody
are
these
point
and
because
that's
not
what
helped
and
anyone
who
doesn't
do.
That
is
my
job
as
chair
to
make
sure
that
we
maintain
decorum
and
civility
in
this
in
this
room,
and
if
that
doesn't
happen,
I
will
ask
security
just
to
remove
anyone,
whoever
it
is,
including
them
so
for
consul.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
attention
in
this
matter.
I.
Actually
just
before
I
start
I
just
want
to
kind
of
clarify
something
from
the
previous
discussion.
The
government
says:
dispensaries
are
legal.
The
courts
have
actually
not
found
that
Hamilton
just
lost
an
injunction
trying
to
close
down
a
dispensary
Saskatoon
was
ordered
to
let
a
dispensary
stay
open
as
long
as
they
were
serving
edibles
because
they
couldn't
get
in
anywhere
else.
A
So
the
question
of
whether
dispensaries
are
illegal
or
not,
is
there's
no
question
in
terms
of
the
government's
mind,
but
there
is
in
terms
of
the
courts
mind,
so
my
name
is
Jamie.
Shaw
I
also
work
like
the
two
previous
speakers
for
MMJ
Canada,
but
I'm
not
here
to
speak
on
their
behalf.
Prior
to
that,
I
was
working
for
the
BC
compassion,
Club,
Society
and
I
was
president
of
the
Canadian
Association
of
medical,
cannabis,
dispensaries
and,
while
I'm
not
here
to
speak
for
them
either.
A
It
was
my
testimony
in
the
large
trial
that
justice
clan
described
as
very
important,
because
dispensaries
are
at
the
heart
of
access.
What
convinced
justice,
flan
and
Vancouver
City
Council
and
Victoria
City,
Council
and
others
wasn't
me.
It
was
the
overwhelming
evidence
that
enforcement
does
not
work.
It
didn't
work
in
San,
Francisco
doesn't
work
in
Los
Angeles.
It
didn't
work
in
Hamilton,
Saskatoon,
Halifax
and
its
working
here
in
Toronto.
Well,
it's
easy
to
blame
the
explosion
of
dispensaries
on
the
election
of
a
government,
promising
legalization
that
does
not
explain
the
long
history
of
this
pattern.
A
Long
enough.
That
I've
actually
expressed
this
to
some
of
the
people
in
this
very
room
that
this
was
what
was
coming,
that
you
were
going
to
see
an
explosion
of
dispensaries
and
that
happened
back
in
2014
well
before
there
was
a
Liberal
government
in
power.
This
is
a
multi-faceted
issue
with
many
drivers,
which
is
why
this
same
pattern
plays
out
again
and
again,
regardless
of
jurisdiction.
The
recommendations
made
in
this
report
seem
largely
oblivious
to
that
and
other
factors,
but
it
is
the
first
two
recommendations
that
are
most
troubling
recommendation.
A
One
calls
for
support
of
the
proposal
put
forth
by
the
Ontario
Liberals
for
provincially
controlled
stores.
The
entero
government
can't
wait
to
get
into
a
business.
The
federal
government
couldn't
wait
to
get
out
of
and
they're
doing
it
by
making
a
lot
of
the
same
mistakes
that
were
made
in
the
early
federal
programs.
It
should
be
recognized
that
there
needs
to
be
a
mix
of
private
and
collective
ownership
of
distribution
as
well.
A
It's
also
interesting
to
note
that
the
same
Board
of
Health
decision,
the
report
cites
is
justification
for
back
in
Ontario's
plan,
also
cites
that
there
should
be
an
immediate
call
for
decriminalization
and
measures
to
address
the
fact
that
communities
are
over
targeted
instead
of
echoing
these
calls
more
enforcement
is
recommended.
This
will
not
address
the
underlying
issues
of
access
and
the
and
the
fact
that
both
the
public
and
the
industry
are
at
least
twenty
years
ahead
of
the
government
on
this
issue.
A
What
this
increased
enforcement
will
cost
is
address
simply
by
saying
the
province
will
pay
for
it,
and
so
the
financial
impact
section
claims
there
will
be
none.
There
is
no
number
or
estimate
of
cost,
but
it
does
refer
to
a
subsection
entitled
cost
of
implementation
and
enforcement
and
funding
there's
no
number
or
estimate
here
either.
But
it
does
say
the
city
will
require
additional
resources
for
six
or
seven
different
city
departments.
A
It
also
states
that
MLS
officers
in
Toronto
police
have
been
redirecting
resources
for
enforcement
efforts
aimed
at
closing
the
illegal
storefronts
that
have
proliferated
since
the
spring
2016
and
that
they
expect
this
will
can
in
you,
but
there's
again,
no
number
or
estimate
of
cost
just
to
fill
in
some
of
the
missing
math.
The
Vancouver
police
have
said,
the
cost
of
a
single
investigation
can
be
up
to
560
police
hours
or
34,000
dollars
in
salary
and
benefits,
and
that
was
three
years
ago.
A
It
doesn't
include
any
other
costs
either,
but
it's
a
number
to
start
from
lawyer.
Jack
Lloyd
has
said,
there's
at
least
one
dispensary
a
week
getting
raided,
so
without
factoring
in
Project,
Claudia,
Lincoln
or
Gator.
That's
2.8
million
dollars
spent
so
far,
just
in
police
salaries.
Just
to
maintain
the
status
quo,
add
in
all
the
other
costs
and
multiply
that
number
by
two
or
three,
and
you
might
finally
make
a
dent
in
the
number
of
storefronts.
But
that's
just
the
people
willing
to
operate
openly
that
doesn't
touch
the
supply.
A
It
doesn't
touch
pop-up
markets
or
online
sales
that
are
already
prolific
both
in
the
city
and
in
the
province,
and
while
the
city
may
feel
that
there's
no
financial
impact
because
the
province
paying
for
it,
there
is
an
impact
and
it's
a
large
impact
and
whether
it's
the
city
or
the
province
paying
for
it
it's
coming
from
the
same
taxpayer
pockets
and
that's
just
the
financial
cost
to
restrict
access
to
cannabis.
At
a
time
we
are
facing.
An
opioid
epidemic
is
the
height
of
drug
war.
A
Stupidity,
especially
when
many
are
prevented
access
through
the
a
cmp
are
due
to
numerous
barriers,
such
as
physician
colleges,
suggesting
cannabis
not
be
recommended
to
people
with
addiction,
issues
and
other
barriers
as
well
in
2001.
The
same
court
decision
that
forced
the
government
to
create
an
avenue
for
medical
cannabis
also
recommended
they
turn
to
dispensaries
for
their
knowledge
and
expertise.
16
years
and
multiple
unconstitutional
programs
later,
it's
frankly
depressing
to
see
so
many
branches
of
government
continue
to
ignore
this
court
recommendation.
A
I
urge
council
to
amend
this
report
to
include
not
only
a
call
for
private
retail
is
backed
by
the
interior
chamber
of
commerce,
but
also
call
for
the
provincial
and
federal
government
to
heed
the
wisdom
of
numerous
court
decisions
and
recommendations
related
to
cannabis
and
consult
more
heavily
with
the
existing
cannabis
industry,
legal
and
otherwise.
Thank
you.
A
Entirely
I,
you
know,
I
I
was
actually
submitted
to
sit
on
the
task
force
by
the
City
of
Vancouver,
but
I
never
heard
from
the
task
force
and
I
was
not
invited
to
participate
in
those
roundtable
discussions.
I
know
two
members
of
the
Standing
Health
Committee
and
Parliament
actually
submitted
me
to
speak
there
as
well,
and
I
did
not
get
an
invitation
to
speak
there
either.
So.
F
D
The
proposed
model
the
provincial
government
has
put
forward
in
the
regulation
of
the
sale
of
cannabis
in
Ontario,
does
not
meet
the
realistic
requirements
for
recreational
sales
in
this
province.
The
federal
government
has
provided
the
provinces
with
a
unique
opportunity
to
decide
on
how
they
will
regulate.
Toronto
is
not
only
the
largest
city
in
Canada;
it
is
one
of
the
fastest
growing
cities
in
North
America.
As
a
city
province
and
country.
We
have
a
small
window
to
step
ahead
of
the
curve
and
become
leaders
in
this
industry.
D
There
have
been
too
many
comparisons
of
cannabis
to
alcohol
in
terms
of
health
and
safety,
sale
and
licensing
when
really
a
more
appropriate
comparison
would
be
cannabis
to
the.com
boom,
similar
to
the
plant
itself.
This
market
is
growing
everywhere.
Colorado
now
makes
more
money
in
the
sale
and
taxation
of
cannabis
than
alcohol
in
2015,
the
cannabis
industry
in
Colorado
created
18,000
jobs
and
generated
2.8
billion
dollars
in
economic
activity.
This
is
due
to
Colorado's
licensing
and
taxation
structures
which
allow
private
businesses
to
exist
and
thrive.
D
The
pre-existing
industry
has
learned
and
developed
working
for
cannabis
sales
safety
education
community
at
reach.
These
are
key
elements
of
cannabis,
business,
key
elements
of
Canada's
businesses
in
Toronto,
who
believe
so
strongly
in
regulations
that
they
have
created
their
own
people
who
have
been
working
in
this
landscape
for
decades,
understand
the
unique
demands
and
challenges
that
it
entails.
These
business
owners
and
operators
are
also
sensitive
to
the
ever-evolving
customer
and
patient
groups,
who
require
a
wholly
unique
approach
that
must
include
education,
confidence
and
transparency.
D
The
cannabis
industry
will
only
grow
if
there
is
a
fundamental
structure
built
of
knowledge,
inclusion
and
accountability
across
the
board
from
seed
to
sale.
The
proposed
method
for
cracking
down
on
so-called
illegal
dispensaries
is
an
antiquated
approach,
raiding
storefronts,
where
patients
are
accessing
medicine,
as
if
these
stores
are
similar
as
if
these
stores
are
similar
in
any
fashion,
to
the
speakeasies
of
the
last
century.
The
limitations
put
forward
by
the
government
over
legal
Kent,
medical
cannabis
currently
forces
patients
to
ascertain
their
medicine
through
alternative
methods
and,
as
a
result,
they
are
treated
like
criminals.
D
This
is
not
going
to
change
if
the
government
does
not
allow
an
open
market
where
patients
have
access
to
wide
a
wider
variety
of
products.
Vapors
oils,
edibles,
etc.
There
is
no
black
market.
There
is
a
gray
market
in
which
businesses
who
practice
ethical,
sale
and
education
of
cannabis
exist.
Alongside
those
who
do
not
adhere
to
any
responsible
standards.
Consumers
have
demonstrated
both
in
Canada
and
the
United
States
that
they
prefer
storefront
retail
of
cannabis.
The
best
option
is
a
public-private
partnership.
D
It
is
therefore
the
responsibility
of
our
government
to
regulate
and
protect
these
business
businesses
so
that
proper
access
is
granted
to
both
medical
and
recreational
users
before
any
regulations
become
finalized.
There
should
be
at
the
very
least
consultation
with
these
businesses.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
R
Name
is
Tyler
James
and
with
Eden
medicinal
society
we're
a
federally
registered
nonprofit
that
opened
its
doors
to
its
first
dispensary
in
July
of
2011
in
the
heart
of
Vancouver's
Downtown
Eastside.
At
the
time
he
didn't
sought
to
provide
compassion
to
a
neighborhood
that
suffered
from
lack
of
Economic
Development
and
access
to
alternative
forms
of
medicine,
including
those
suffering
from
addiction.
R
150
locations
will
not
meet
the
provinces,
needs
day,
1
of
legalization,
let
alone
by
2020
Colorado,
a
US
state
with
40%
the
population
of
Ontario
licenses
over
500,
compassion
clubs
and
dispensaries,
all
of
whom
pay
licensing
fees.
With
revenues
allocated
to
the
municipalities,
we
are
recommending
the
city
explore
a
public-private
partnership,
which
includes
provincially
licensed
storefronts,
in
addition
to
the
proposed
C
CBO
outlets,
which
will
ensure
public
safety
for
all
ends.
R
Legal
precedent
has
established
that
Canadians
have
a
constitutionally
protected
right
to
readily
accessible
medical
cannabis
products
and
its
derivatives.
Our
civil
disobedience
has
influenced
positive
change,
not
only
in
the
eyes
of
our
patients,
but
in
the
court
system
and
in
public
opinion.
It's
time
we
stopped
having
these
conversations
just
in
courtrooms.
People
turn
to
Eden
for
are
in,
for
our
advanced
knowledge,
providing
a
kind
of
personalized
attention,
education
and
service
that
is
quite
honestly,
unavailable
elsewhere.
This
will
allow
for
our
patients
that
make
well-informed
decisions.
R
It's
in
using
this
knowledge
that
Eden
is
partnering
with
the
University
of
British
Columbia
on
a
new
research
program
for
opiate
substitution
in
British
Columbia,
using
standardized
capsules
and
opiate
dosing
under
the
supervision
of
professional
researchers.
Applying
constant
analytics
Eden
believes
individuals
who
use
opioids
can
reduce
their
intake,
monitor
themselves
with
supports
and
ultimately
detox
opiates
entirely
from
their
lifestyle
using
medical
cannabis.
An
early
Eden
program
pointed
to
a
50%
reduction
rate
in
effective
substitution.
R
I
R
R
The
community
outreach
and
strategy
with
Eden
and
under
my
direction,
we
hired
a
firm
by
the
name
of
Council
PA
to
assist
us
in
our
lobbying
efforts
to
spread
both
awareness
and
to
approach
various
levels
of
government
to
advise
them
on
the
best
approaches
going
forward.
However,
they
refused
to
hear
us
speak.
They.
R
I
I
I
R
I
R
I
I
R
I
Had
an
opportunity
to
come
and
make
deputation
twice
before,
unfortunately,
we
shut
you
out.
If
you
were
able
to
speak
in
the
previous
session.
Do
you
believe
that
this
our
city
sitting
around
the
table
might
have
voiced
the
difference,
concern
to
the
province,
and
maybe
your
voices
would
have
been
heard?
We.
R
I
Will
not
hurt
twice
before
that
is
correct.
Sir,
have
you
had
been
heard
twice
before?
Do
you
think
that
the
province
might
have
had
a
different
view
of
if
what
you
heard
and
reported
through
the
media,
and
that
the
City
of
Toronto
represented
those
those?
Those
findings
are
what
we
heard
from
you
at
the
provincial
or
the
federal
government
I.
R
R
F
F
S
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
the
many
legally
licensed
medicinal
cannabis
patients
who
feel
as
though
the
current
proposal
for
recreational
marijuana
legalization
negates
the
needs
and
the
accessibility
to
medicinal
cannabis
patients
across
the
province.
I
myself
am
proof
that
the
effective
consumption
of
cannabis
can
replace
the
use
of
narcotics
through
the
use
of
cannabis.
I
have
been
able
to
treat
a
variety
of
ailments
such
as
anxiety,
depression,
fibromyalgia,
disk
herniation,
spinal
degeneration,
chronic
pain
and
nerve
degeneration
stemming
from
a
motor
vehicle
accident
prior
to
cannabis.
S
I
was
being
treated
with
a
handful
of
prescription
medications
in
addition
to
physiotherapy,
chiropractics
and
multiple
nerve,
blocking
agents
administered
via
spinal
injections
on
a
weekly
basis.
It
was
never
a
question
or
deliberation
as
to
whether
or
not
I
would
be
able
to
find
a
safe
and
conveniently
located
pharmacy
through
which
to
purchase
prescription
narcotics.
So
as
a
result,
I'm
appalled
as
to
why
deliberation
continues
to
exist
regarding
whether
or
not
we
as
patients
should
have
the
same
legal
and
comparable
access
to
our
medication
medication.
That
does
not
deteriorate
the
functioning
of
vital
organs.
S
Many
patients
possess
medical
recommendations
that
can
currently
be
fulfilled
through
access
to
compassion
clinics
located
all
across
the
Greater
Toronto
Area
purchasing
products
that
have
been
meticulously
grown
lab
tested
and
whose
staff
is
appropriately
trained
and
immensely
informed
on
both
the
psychoactive
and
non
psychoactive
properties
of
cannabis.
I
have
placed
orders
through
the
appropriate
channels
to
obtain
legally
prescribed
cannabis
through
Health
Canada
and
can
attest
to
the
limitations
that
many
online
ordering
forums
currently
present.
S
Often
limited
information
is
available
regarding
the
benefits
of
certain
products,
their
acquired
dosages
of
certain
products
to
remedy
specific
ailments
is
not
accurately
listed
or
available
and,
furthermore,
the
availability
and
accessibility
of
product
is
few
and
far
between,
depending
on
the
specific
medicinal
needs.
In
addition,
the
licensed
producers
are
currently
offering
medicinal
cannabis
inadequately.
They
are
inadequately
able
to
provide
access
to
legal
cannabis
solely
for
their
medicinal
patients.
S
Therefore,
it
would
be
apparent
that
the
supply
versus
demand
when
dealing
with
levels
of
consumption
on
a
recreational
level
would
also
be
in
conflict,
thereby
it
would
create
an
increased
demand
of
patients.
Turning
to
the
black
market,
defeating
the
primary
purpose
of
Khanum
cannabis
legalization
in
the
first
place
as
an
individual,
advocating
at
the
ground
level,
working
amongst
various
compassion
clinic
locations
across
the
GTA.
S
The
feedback
from
many
individuals,
most
of
which
currently
possess
their
health
canada
issued
licenses,
is
the
growing
concern
that
the
current
model
proposed
does
not
provide
the
knowledge
base
offered
in
already
existing
compassion
clinics.
In
addition,
the
wide
range
of
product
available
has
limited
their
needs
of
obtaining
product
on
the
black
market
and,
most
importantly,
they
are
now
able
to
effectively
provide
immediate
treatment
and
deterring
the
use
of
other
prohibited
substances
such
as
opioids
and
narcotics.
S
The
clinics
currently
exist
under
a
business
model
built
on
compassionate
care
safety
and,
ultimately,
choice
a
choice
that
is
the
patient's
constitutional
right
to
maintain.
In
conclusion,
in
order
to
move
forward
with
legalization,
a
partnership
between
the
public
and
private
sector,
while
obtaining
appropriate
licensing
is
vital
to
achieve
safe,
informed
and
regulated
access
to
cannabis
at
the
recreational
level.
Thank
you.
L
S
Initially,
it
was
a
bit
of
a
rigmarole
to
obtain
my
medical
licensing
due
to
the
fact
that
my
medical
practitioner
wasn't
actually
on
board
with
providing
me
with
the
licensing
I
had
to
go
through
to
the
Canadian
cannabis
clinic.
They
had
to
then
obtain
the
information
from
my
medical
practitioner
in
order
to
be
able
to
review
it
and
issue
me
that
license
and
then.
L
S
L
S
They
have
informed
people
at
the
counter.
The
fact
that
they're
nice
happens
to
be
a
bonus
to
it
so,
in
fact
beat
they
are.
They
are
absolutely
informed,
they're,
knowledgeable
with
regards
to
the
ailments
that
a
variety
of
people
suffer
and
they
acknowledge
on
a
face-to-face
basis.
Exactly
what
you
know
could
be
helpful
for
the
consumer
right.
L
So
three
of
mr.
share,
so
when
so
with
so
you're
objecting
to
the
provincial
model
now,
but
the
provincial
model
will
give
you
will
call
it
an
LCBO,
most
probably
wherever
you
live
right,
you'll
be
able
to
go
there.
Mm-Hmm
you
go
to
a
dispensary
there'll,
be
a
nice
and
informed
person
at
that
counter.
Who
will
help
you
so
to
be.
S
L
S
L
S
I
can
no
not
one
that
can
provide
me
with
the
specifics
that
I'm
looking
for
absolutely
not
I
can
walk
by
a
variety
of
people
who
are
available
to
stock
shelves
and
point
me
in
the
direction
of
where
their
promotional
vodka
is
but
I've.
Yet
to
be
able
to
ask
anybody,
that's
going
to
provide
me
with
some
concrete
information
as
to
what
I'm
looking
for
and
that's
what
we
as
patients
are
looking
for
from
our
consultants.
So.
L
At
one
level,
if
the
LCBO
model
just
made
sure
they
had
informed
good
staff,
then
you'd
be
happy.
You
wouldn't
need
the
dispensary.
If
those
nice
dispensary
people
with
the
good
information
actually
got
paid
better
at
the
LCBO
model
and
quit
their
job
and
went
into
the
LCBO
store,
you
would
actually
follow
them
in
there,
because
it's
the
same
people
giving
the
same
advice
would.
S
I
be
able
to
see
the
product,
or
would
it
be
behind
a
piece
of
plastic
in
a
bag
where
I
don't
know
what's
contained
inside
where
I
don't
know
what
the
availability
is
of
that
product
should
I
choose
to
get
it
again?
What
I
know
what
specific
ailments
that
product
treats
upon
speaking
to
an
individual
or
upon
looking
at
the
product
that
I'm
not
sure
that
I
can
guarantee?
I
can
say
that
I'm
comfortable
with
no
no.
I
Christians,
thank
you
Church,
just
for
the
record
after
the
federal
government,
legalized
marijuana
and
you
were
able
to
get
it
and
some
of
you,
some
of
you,
were
able
to
grow
your
own.
Wasn't
there
a
period
that
that
was
taken
away
from
you
between
2006
2011-12,
and
you
had
to
give
your
your
certificate
to
somebody
else
to
grow
and
he
would
ship
it
to
you.
I.
S
S
I
S
I
You,
given
this
through
the
chair,
are
you
given
the
same
kind
of
attention
through
this
online
producer
as
you're,
given
at
a
dispensary
and
be
able
to
try
different
things
in
order
to
see
what
you
need
in
order
to
cope
with
your
daily
daily
lives?
Be
it
if
you're
suffering
from
PTSD
suffering
from
cancer
or
anything
else,
I.
S
I
S
S
I
S
You
know
what
I
think
the
idea
of
going
somewhere
like
an
LCBO
or
a
CCB
Oh,
presents
this
idea
that
one
size
fits
all
and,
unfortunately,
the
nature
of
this
industry
and
the
nature
of
the
ailments
that
people
are
suffering
from.
You
know
what
an
environment
like
that
is
not
necessarily
conducive
to
being
able
to
go
in
and
feel
comfortable
making
a
purchase
like
that.
We
rely
on
the
other
side
of
the
coin,
which
would
be
the
dispensaries
who
are
providing
us
with
staff
who
understand
what
it
is.
What
we're
trying
to
be
is
what.
I
City
are
opening
up
locations
where
people
can
go
and
inject
themselves
and
make
sure
that
there's
some
of
that
overseas
it
we
as
a
city,
are
not
working
with
you
in
order
to
accommodate
what
you
need
on
one
side.
You
know
because
there's
a
problem
opioid
go
there,
so
we
look
that
we
do
something,
but
in
your
case
where
they
will
put
the
boots
to
you,
would
that
be
correct?
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
B
F
K
Why
are
we
legalizing
marijuana
in
this
country?
Well,
three
reasons
convinced
the
voters
and
taxpayers
of
Canada
to
support
legalization.
Those
three
reasons
for
legalization
are
that
we
have
millions
of
Canadians
fellow
citizens
who
are
deemed
criminals
for
their
choice
to
grow,
consume
or
share
cannabis.
We
shouldn't
be
criminalizing
those
Canadians.
The
second
reason
is
that
we
have
an
industry
that
already
exists.
It's
worth
billions
of
dollars
years
ago
is
worth
billions.
It's
still
worth
a
lot
now
today
and
that
industry
is
not
going
to
go
away.
K
That
industry
is
what
we're
supposed
to
be
legalizing.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
continue
criminalizing
the
existing
industry
and
call
it
legalizing.
Then
what
exactly
are
you
legalizing?
The
third
reason
to
legalize
cannabis
is
that
our
men
and
women
in
uniform,
like
family
members
I,
have
our
force
enforcing
laws
that
cost
taxpayers
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
across
this
country.
These
laws
cause
harm
to
peaceful
people
and
they
waste
the
valuable
time
and
resources
of
our
law
enforcement
officers.
K
I
am
a
new
resident
of
this
city,
I'm
out
on
bail
right
now,
I
was
arrested
in
March
by
the
Toronto
police.
For
my
civil
disobedience,
peaceful
civil
disobedience
is
the
only
way
that
we've
changed
the
marijuana
laws
in
this
country.
The
reason
we
have
legal
medical
marijuana
is
because
dispensaries
and
patients
and
growers
broke,
the
law
got
arrested,
went
to
court
and
won
it's
very
similar
to
how
dr.
Henry,
Morgan
Taylor
also
broke
the
law
to
provide
a
needed
service.
K
The
law
changed
and
he
was
given
the
Order
of
Canada
I'm,
not
here,
to
ask
for
the
Order
of
Canada
for
myself
for
the
fellow
activists,
but
I
am
here
to
say
that
civil
disobedience,
the
breaking
of
unjust
laws
that
cause
more
harm
than
what
the
law
bans.
Those
are
heroes
in
our
movement
and
they
need
to
be
recognized.
But
the
proposed
plan
from
the
federal
government
bill
c-45,
which
I
testified
to
at
the
Health
Committee
last
week,
and
the
proposed
legislation
from
the
Ontario
government
are
going
to
set
you
all
up
for
disaster.
K
The
voters
and
the
taxpayers
are
looking
to
you
to
not
mess
this
up
and
you,
unfortunately,
the
elected
representatives
and
the
public
servants
are
the
ones
who
will
suffer
when
you
do
this
the
wrong
way.
We
want
to
be
legal,
we
desperately
want
to
be
legal,
that's
what
legalization
activism
is
about,
but
you
deem
us
as
criminals,
and
we
can't
get
rid
of
that
criminal
label
only
you
can
only
the
government
can,
but
when
the
government
chooses
to
criminalize
something
you
create
a
crime,
you
create
a
criminal
market.
K
Dot
CA
through
the
hypocrisy
here
again
think
of
your
voters,
think
of
your
children,
think
of
alcohol
and
tobacco
and
how
kids
can
buy
cigarettes
where
candy
is
sold,
where
alcohol
is
sold
as
slushy
drinks
and
I
walk
by
a
wine
rack,
and
there
are
men
in
great
outfits
giving
free
wine
on
the
street
dressed
in
balloons.
The
hypocrisy
here
is
offensive.
Cannabis
is
a
safer
choice
for
many
people
who
want
to
use
something
safer
than
alcohol
or
opioids
they're
being
denied
the
ability
to
access
that
cannabis
by
the
laws
proposed
federally
and
provincially.
K
Even
worse.
We
activists
have
broken
the
law
educated,
the
media
run
for
office.
I
tried
to
run
for
the
Liberals
for
over
a
year,
I've
been
a
BC,
Green
Party
candidate.
Twice
we
do
everything
we
can
to
reach
out
to
you
to
say:
please
let
us
not
be
criminals,
and
yet
you
deem
us
criminals
and
then
accused
us
of
being
criminals.
When
we
beg
you
to,
please
stop
criminalizing
us,
it's
maddening,
it's
a
reefer,
madness,
redefined
and
right
now,
what's
even
worse.
K
Is
that
the
very
same
governments
that
opposed
the
legalization
that
fought
against
us
that
stigmatize
us
and
try
and
draw
our
blood
and
take
our
kids
when
we
use
medical
marijuana
denies
the
ability
to
travel,
denies
the
ability
to
give
back
those
laws
that
you
fought
against
us.
You
fought
against
legalization
now.
K
If
you
support
the
Ontario
government's
plan,
you're
forcing
every
tax
payer
to
subsidize
a
multi-hundred
dollar
billion
industry
in
which
the
non
supporters
of
cannabis
are
forced
to
pay
for
the
pot
shops
for
the
pot
users,
why
not
get
all
the
pot
consumers
to
support
these
shops
and
raise
revenue
in
taxes
and
create
a
net
benefit
rather
than
spending
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars?
Extra
on
law
enforcement,
plus
legalization
law
enforcement,
plus
a
new
bureaucracy
I'm?
Just
letting
you
know
that
over
the
next
year,
the
voters
and
the
taxpayers.
I
You
you're,
obviously
in
front
in
front
lines:
you're
advocating
you're
you're
getting
politically
involved
here
in
the
front
lines,
is
anybody
from
the
federal
or
the
provincial
government
in
this
province?
Besides,
throwing
you
in
jail
been
in
contact
with
you
to
ask
for
your
opinion
as
to
how
we
move
forward
in
the
way
that
we
dispense
marijuana
the
government
controlled
or
continuingly,
and
these
things
the
scheme
that
we
have
right
now,
I'm.
K
K
I
K
Cannabis
consumers
feel
most
comfortable
amongst
those
who
understand
them
and
empathize
with
them,
and
dispensaries
have
been
bravely
opening
themselves
up
to
criminal
persecution
for
providing
this
service.
So
we
know
that
most
patients
would
be
most
comfortable
buying
from
those
who
are
involved
in
the
industry.
Do.
I
K
Unfortunately,
the
law
defines
most
production
as
illegal
and
less
authorized
by
Health
Canada.
Now
you
should
reference
the
task
force
report,
the
Justice
Department
statistics
on
marijuana
growing.
They
found
that
95%
of
all
marijuana
growers
he
went
to
court
had
no
connection
to
organized
crime
were
otherwise
law-abiding
citizens.
These
are
non
violent,
Canadian
growers
who
have
been
doing
this
in
the
shadows,
because
the
government
refuses
to
let
them
come
into
the
light.
The.
I
K
As
the
Justice
Chief
Justice
federal
court,
Phelan
said
that
dispensaries
are
at
the
heart
of
access
and
when
dispensaries
are
shut
down,
people
are
forced
to
find
other
means
and
I
receive
many
messages
from
people
myself
being
an
activist.
They
reach
out
to
me
and
tell
me
about
how
they're
now
bedridden
on
opioid
painkillers,
because
the
dispensary
they
went
to
is
raided
and
shut
down.
That's
harm
caused
by
the
rate
you're,
not
helping.
K
I
wonder
about
this
too,
because
again
we
talk
so
much
about
the
health
and
safety
of
our
fellow
citizens.
And
yet,
when
you
deny
cannabis
access,
you
force
people
to
drink
alcohol,
and
we
know
that
alcohol
contributes
to
rape,
assault
theft,
murder
right
now.
Our
officers
just
finished
up
a
weekend
on
the
street
where
I
guarantee
you
they
had
more
problems
from
alcohol
than
from
cannabis,
as
well
as
painkillers.
Like
you
mentioned
veterans,
there
are
so
many
veterans
who
don't
want
to
take
these
opioids.
K
Our
community
and
our
industry
has
been
begging
for
recognition
and
acknowledgement
for
decades.
Long
before
I
even
began
my
activism
13
years
ago.
There's
there
have
been
non-stop
efforts
to
try
and
engage,
but
when
we
get
accused
of
being
criminals
and
when
you
see
the
list
of
everyone
who's
a
stakeholder,
none
of
those
stakeholders
include,
or
patients
or
dispensaries,
are
those
who
actually
are
involved
or
affected
by
these
laws.
I
My
time
is
running
out
so
I'll
wrap
it
up.
I
asked
from
the
last
question:
do
you
feel
that
we
have
let
you
down
and
do
you
feel
that
had
we
done
something
else
different,
you
wouldn't
be
in
the
position
that
we're
putting
the
people,
the
stakeholders,
and
especially
the
patients
at
at
this
very
moment.
Did
we
fail
you
as
a
city,
the.
K
M
Thank
you,
I
have
for
you
a
chart
comparison
chart
of
the
police
budget
request
for
the
coming
years.
As
you
can
see,
there
are
making
animation
of
what
money
will
come
from
the
province
when
it
comes
to
what
the
enforcement
of
the
new
laws
for
criminal
decisional
canal
is.
Furthermore,
rates
of
our
cannabis,
dispensary
clinics
I'm
here
to
speak
as
a
as
a
user
of
medical
cannabis
for
the
last
three
years
and
a
half
and
I
wanna
request
off
for
you
councilors.
Is
that
this
these
recommendations
number
one
not
to
endorse
it.
M
Please
do
not
endorse
the
provincial
plan
because
really
is
struggling
these
people
under
the
bus
and
not
to
and
not
consulting
them
and
not
whoo-hoo-hoo.
There
have
been
longer
years
long
before
the
levers
were
in
power,
so
I
think
we're
doing
another
favor
to
these
people.
We
are
putting
people
out
of
work
and
my
clinic
they're
very
V
do
not
allow
they
don't
sell
drugs
to
minors.
They
are
very
kind
and
comfortable
to
people
who
suffer
from
different
illnesses
and
I.
M
Don't
think
of
a
provincial
mod
or
monopoly
will
address
those
concerns,
and
so
again
this
budget.
It
shows
that
tomorrow,
by
the
way
it's
gonna
be
discuss
it
at
the
police
board
to
to
see
it
before
we
need
more
police
officers
in
the
city
and
an
enforcement
in
the
waste
of
resources.
Currently,
it
makes
me
amis
me
wonder
where
the
where
the
money's
gonna
come
from
next
year,
you
asking
the
province
to
provide
you
with
funds,
but
those
funds
don't
have
a
number.
M
So
at
the
end
of
them
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
are
you
gonna
be
able
to
say
to
the
problems?
We
need
more
money
for
education,
health
food,
the
table.
Are
we
going
to
be
asking
them
for
policing
money
when
this
is
a
situation
that
is
becoming
absurd,
that
in
the
province
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
we
have
police
officers
who
make
him
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
in
my
community
or
region
Park
would
suffer.
51
percent
of
the
children
are
in
poverty
and
I.
M
Don't
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe
that
it
changes.
The
recommendations
will
have
any
impact
and
the
Ontario
and
the
province
decisions.
Caityln
win
is
troubling
money
like
crazy
because
she
wants
to
be
re-elected
next
year
and
that's
the
bottom
line.
That's
all
the
attorneys,
throw
me
money,
money
money,
but
you
know
in
two
years
we're
gonna
be
asking
them
for
money
for
our
horse
in
repairs
or
for
our
road
repairs,
and
you
know
that
you
know
one
day.
M
They
say
no
to
the
12
row
highways
in
the
co2
run
to
the
province
say
no
to
that
in
and
bail.
Tory
says
with.
We
need
to
find
a
tool
to
revenue
and-
and
here
is
a
great
opportunity
to
come
to
do
the
same
example.
The
city
of
Tambor
avoided
some
of
the
pitfalls
or
the
problems
they
encounter,
but
we
can
create
revenue.
Jobs
for
the
community
that
really
needed.
M
I
would
encourage
you,
members
of
council,
to
reject
this
plan
and
instead
consult
with
the
service
providers,
the
consumers,
the
users
and,
as
we
can
create
our
own
City
of
Toronto
marijuana
marijuana
plan
distribution,
dispensaries,
all
that
in
in
in
our
house.
We
don't
need
a
promise.
Really.
The
promise
is
just
benefiting
the
big
friends
and
we
have
to.
We
have
to
think
opposite
to
what
the
progress
is
doing
incorporating
is
these
small
businesses
who
are
working
hard,
paying
their
taxes
and
providing
a
good
service
to
many
people
in
the
City
of
Toronto?
Q
I
have
no
skin
in
the
game
as
it
were,
but
I
do
care
about
a
just
society
and
I
was
motivated
to
come
here
to
speak
to
you
today,
just
to
reflect
on
a
few
things
that
the
Ontario
government
is
proposing
and
how
you
might
be
able
to
make
more
of
a
success
of
the
role
of
did
legalization
of
cannabis
in
our
society
and
I'd
strongly
urge
you
to
do
so.
As
you
may
know,
my
neighbourhood
Kensington
mark
has
a
long
history
of
welcoming
welcoming
nature
and
tolerance.
Q
Just
when
the
dispensaries
first
started
popping
up
in
Toronto,
they
started
popping
up
in
my
neighborhood,
so
I
have
a
little
bit
of
tangential
expertise
just
in
seeing
things
take
off
from
the
ground.
Now
we
no
longer
have
that
tremendous
number
of
dispensaries,
but
there
are
still
a
few
there's
they've
spread
all
over
the
city
as
you're
well
known,
there's.
Q
Clearly,
a
strong
demand
I'm
going
to
talk
about
medical
cannabis
just
for
a
moment,
because
we
we
know
that
there
are
over
50,000
AC,
MPR
again
I'm,
not
in
this
world,
but
I'm
told
that's
what
people
who
are
legally
allowed
to
smoke
for
medicinal
purposes
in
Ontario,
and
these
people
and
I've
met
some
of
them.
Just
I
don't
go
to
hotbox
often,
but
when
I
do
I
do
meet
cancer
patients.
Q
People
are
epileptic
people
suffering
from
multiple
sclerosis,
hiv/aids
pain
management,
getting
off
of
becoming
an
opioid
abuse
or
someone
with
PTSD
we've
seen
that
cannabis
does
have
an
effective
medical
application
in
society
and
I.
Think
it's
more
likely
that
more
and
more
doctors
will
continue
to
prescribe
cannabis
to
patients
and
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
where
we
can
have
elderly
people
locations
where
they
can
consume
that
they're
in
long-term
living
I'm
concerned
about
where
these
people
can
legally
consume
things.
They're
awful
elderly
are
often
shut-in
at
home
alone.
Q
These
lounges
provide
a
social
aspect,
that's
useful
for
their
health
and
in
a
number
of
ways,
one
to
consume
their
medicine.
That
they've
been
prescribed
but
two
to
maintain
some
kind
of
social
connection
in
society,
so
I
think
I
think
that's
an
important
point
and
I'm
concerned
and
I
haven't.
Given
this,
the
thought
I
would
urge
you
to
speak
with
Toronto
Public
Health
or
something
what
other
locations
even
besides
lounges,
might
the
people
people
who
are
consuming
this
product
for
medicinal
reasons
they
need
to
have
places
where
they
can
consume
their
medicine.
Q
I'm
just
scrolling
through
something
quickly
here,
there's
also
the
aspect
in
these
lounges
and
businesses,
where
there's
an
educational
component
for
the
consumer,
where
staff
are
well
versed
in
not
only
varietals
and
strains,
but
also
delivery
methods.
Again
vaporizing
is
seems
to
be
a
healthier
way
to
consume
cannabis,
and
it's
these
lounges
provide
first
contact,
first
use
and
education
on
how
these
things
are
used
and
I.
Think
there's
value
to
that.
Just
in
society,
I.
Q
We
really
need
to
encourage
the
province
to
rethink
a
few
things
in
particular
where
cannabis
can
be
consumed,
especially
in
mind
of
the
elderly
or
people
suffering
using
it
medicinally
and
I.
Think
the
other
important
issue
is
fairness.
I
know
that
we're
looking
at
LCBO
AGCO
model,
there
are
private
places
where
you
can
go
and
buy
wine
outside
of
the
LCBO.
There
are
I
think
that
competition
is
good,
think
that
the
power
of
and
small
business
can
deliver
competition
that
will
reward
consumers
in
Ontario.
Mr.
Morrison,
thank
you.
F
T
T
These
businesses
would
not
exist
if
they
were
illegal,
they
are
simply
unlicensed
the
city,
the
province
and
the
federal
government
are
conveniently
dismissing
the
rule
of
law
and
our
Supreme
Court,
as
if
it
were
entertainment.
Next
week
at
an
injunction
hearing,
I
will
elaborate
on
a
little
bit
more
in
a
moment.
You
are
about
to
discover
that
the
city
in
fact,
has
been
acting
in
an
illegal
manner.
This
will
be
a
humbling
experience
for
this
committee.
T
I
hope
we
can
be
friends
after
this
and
I
really
hope
to
convince
a
couple
of
you
that
you
may
be
receiving
the
wrong
information
from
the
province.
Miss
Emory
was
right.
You
are
being
set
up.
I
represent
a
host
of
dispensaries
where
I
hope
to
strategize
and
mitigate
the
city
of
Toronto's
enforcement
actions
around
the
current
dispensary
model.
It
is
incumbent
upon
you
to
recognize
and
respect
the
Supreme
Court,
which
supersedes
municipal
and
federal
laws.
Current
cannabis
distributors
do
not
exist
through
happenstance
or
out
of
pure
civil
disobedience.
T
It
is
not
a
form
of
mass
delusion.
Current
cannabis
distributors
are
able
to
exist
in
spite
of
the
CDSA
and
criminal
code
because
of
our
vs.
Smith.
Our
versus
a
lard
I
am
PR
framework.
These
are
profound
pieces
of
legislation
that
allowed
distributors
to
exist.
The
Senate
and
the
house
have
disregarded
these
important
Supreme
Court
decisions.
Similarly,
to
the
hesitancy
to
open
the
archives
on
the
LaDainian,
Commission's
findings
and
other
legislative
reports
which
marginalize
and
compromise
the
CDSA
and
CC
as
Mitch
Roe,
miss
Roach
had
already
outlined
around
the
charge
of
possession
at
ground
level.
T
The
municipality
does
not
have
the
luxury
of
ignoring
the
desire
of
his
constituents
who
participate
in
over
1
million
transactions
per
month
through
current
cannabis
distributors
within
the
City
of
Toronto.
Nor
can
the
municipality
ignore
the
rulings,
the
Supreme
Court
of
Canada.
If
one
provincial
store
gets
built,
let
alone
all
40
by
July,
even
40
would
provide
for
one
cc
Bo
amongst
400,000
people.
This
would
clearly
allow
for
another
legal
challenge,
while
around
one's
right
to
reasonable
access,
Ontario's
consumption
rate
is
higher
than
that
of
Colorado.
T
700
storefronts
exist
in
Colorado,
with
the
population
40%
of
the
size
of
the
province
of
Ontario.
This
would
imply
that
an
equilibrium
would
exist
around
1700
and
50
outlets.
The
provinces,
half-baked
plan
is
not
a
path
you
want
to
go
down
without
a
contingency
plan.
In
my
opinion,
in
case,
12%
is
not
enough
to
secure
the
current
provincial
parties
victory
if
storefronts
sold
guns
and
weapons
people
would
be
imprisoned
without
bail
with
very
strict
conditions.
Cannabis
distributors
are
given
a
court
date
and
operators
open
again.
The
next
day.
T
T
This
is
partly
as
a
result
of
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
charges
being
filed
due
to
the
city
of
Toronto's
enforcement
actions
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
charges
being
dismissed
or
withdrawn
by
the
crown.
This
is
further
set
precedent
to
an
already
arbitrary,
inconsistent
and
discriminatory
this
law,
which
has
now
rendered
all
and
any
enforcement
strategies
moot.
In
my
opinion,
your
fourth
line
item
on
your
agenda
today
around
the
sale
of
illegal
can't
illegal
cannabis
is
troubling.
There
are
no
illegal
sales
of
cannabis.
T
This
is
where
the
problem
starts
and
dialogue
cannot
occur,
counsel
actually
thinks
Canadians
operating
under
the
protections
of
the
Supreme
Court,
the
Charter
and
the
Constitution
are
criminals.
This
flawed
myopic
perspective
prevents
engagement
and
continues
the
pointless
exercise
of
trying
to
police
currently
will
legal
cannabis
distributors.
T
T
T
Instead
of
binding
precedent
across
the
country,
the
exploitation
of
Union
Civil,
Code
440
will
be
shown
to
be
an
abuse
of
power
where
criminal
law
power
was
used
under
the
guise
of
by
law
enforcement,
and
the
city
will
find
itself
in
an
unfortunate
predicament
being
served
with
multi-million
dollar
civil
lawsuits
for
the
public
harm,
bogus
safety
violations,
damages
and
destruction
against
cannabis,
distributors,
the
City
of
Toronto
will
be
rendered
moot
in
its
attempts
to
obtain
closure
orders
and
even
more
so,
probably
prohibited
from
the
closure
of
cannabis
storefronts.
This
is
literally
a
week
away.
I
T
Believe
lounges
should
be
allowed
to
continue
to
exist.
I
believe
they
are
helpful,
I
believe
it
is
a
great
transition
piece
of
infrastructure.
While
we
move
through
the
end
of
prohibition,
so
people
just
aren't
wandering
around
doing
their
thing
in
public
being
stigmatized.
It's
a
nice
place
for
a
comfortable
place
for
persons
to
go
I.
Think
as
Jodi
mentioned,
who
are
all
we're
people
they
can
find
people
who
are
like-minded.
T
Got
a
great
story
about
that
one.
So
I
was
able
to
infiltrate
the
Secretariat's
office
and
that
was
through
eventually
provincially,
and
that
was
through
an
introduction
to
a
local
residence
association.
There
was
a
lawyer
there
from
fast
guns,
norm
Keith
who
picked
up
the
microphone
and
found
it
quite
troubling
that
the
LCBO
had
hired
Deloitte
to
lobby
the
Secretariat
to,
of
course,
create
the
C
CBO
and
they're
in
our
midst.
Lots
of
pictures
and
photos
was
the
was
Deloitte
administering
the
tabulation
of
the
results
around
the
discussion
table.
T
I
T
Unfortunately,
the
the
cannabis
industry
is
being
guided
by
a
little
bit
of
an
unnatural
force.
I,
don't
know
how
the
construction
of
license
producer.
Public
companies
came
to
exist,
but
when
you
have
a
company
like
canopy
growth
worth
one
point,
seven
billion
dollars,
I
can
assure
you
it's
not
in
the
business
of
selling
cannabis.
It
is
in
the
business
of
selling
stock.
I
T
I'm
here
today
to
convince
you
of
not
going
down
line
item,
one
at
the
top
of
your
report
to
endorse
the
provinces
plan
I
believe
how
do
we
had
the
opportunity
to
come
before
you
for
you
to
see
the
how
everybody's
actually
embraced
Public
Safety
addiction
services,
child
safety,
harm
reduction
programs
within
this
industry
self
governed,
while
under
attack
I?
Believe
you
would
not
be
going
down
the
current
path.
You
are
endorsing.
I
T
Is
going
to
be
unable
to
build
a
dozen,
let
alone
forty
stores
by
July
I,
believe
that
will
produce
significant
public
harm
and
restrict
access
I
believe
it
will
do
the
opposite
of.
What's
intended,
you're
going
to
have
a
proverbial
gas
plant
that
you're
going
to
have
to
dismantle
that's
half
built
so.
I
The
people
that
are
the
frontline
EMS
fire
police
that
are
suffering
from
that
as
well
as
there
are
a
lot
of
our
veterans,
we're
doing
a
disservice
to
them.
I
believe
you
are
yes,
so
we
stand
up
and
we
thank
them
for
their
service
and
we
sing
their
praises,
but
right
now
we're
about
to
fail
them
correct.
In
my
opinion,.
R
I
M
M
The
people
here
know
a
few
of
the
people
in
the
room,
because
my
company
was
tasked
to
start
producing
fundraisers
for
MMJ
Canada
through
that
have
gone
around
the
country
and
kind
of
met,
a
bunch
of
the
people
in
this
in
this
industry
now
I'm
gonna
say
this.
I
was
gonna,
go
on
a
few
other
things,
but
it'd
be
a
bit
bit
redundant
right
now
you
don't
for
30
years
and
I
know
I
know
it
seems
kind
of
crazy,
I
look,
so
young
and
beautiful,
but
I
did
in
fact
grow
up.
T
M
M
T
F
L
I
N
M
Name
is
Melissa
Ralston
and,
although
I've
been
heavily
involved
in
this
industry
for
roughly
eight
years
now,
I'm
actually
here
to
represent
my
generation,
which
are
the
future
leaders
of
this
country.
I
wanted
to
speak
on
item
one
in
regards
to
how,
by
endorsing
this
new
provincial
regime
will
actually
potentially
shrink
the
market.
M
So,
if
you're
looking
at
a
pie
that
is
roughly
six
billion
dollars
by
having
it
only
endorsed
by
the
provincial
government
could
potentially
decrease
that
by
fifty
percent,
which
is
removing
innovation
from
this
industry
and
removing
possibilities
for
future
leaders
and
entrepreneurs
to
try
to
enhance
in
advance
our
country.
I
would
also
like
to
speak
on
item
six
in
regards
to
the
private
residence,
the
private
residences.
M
Lounges
create
a
sense
of
community
which
is
incredibly
important
in
this
industry.
I
personally
have
worked
in
a
chronic
pain
clinic
since
2009
and
left
roughly
four
years
ago,
where
I
was
involved
in
the
industry
on
both
a
legal
side
as
well
as
a
quote-unquote
gray
market
side.
When
I
was
at
the
chronic
pain
clinic,
our
only
option
was
to
send
patients
to
dispensaries.
M
It
was
the
only
safe
point
of
access
for
them,
and
now
the
provincial
government
is
planning
to
implement
a
new
regime
that
is,
in
my
personal
opinion,
going
backwards
and
I
would
like
to
end
my
comments
on
item
4
mark
the
gash.
The
Toronto
Police
spokesperson
said
that
the
city
doesn't
have
the
resources
to
close
all
the
city's
dispensaries.
I
M
There
was
about,
there
was
I,
don't
know
the
exact
number
offhand
and
unfortunately
it's
not
in
my
notes.
But
what
I
do
know
is
that
chief
Saunders
did
make
a
statement
that
said
that
the
reason
why
they
wanted
to
participate
claudia
was
because
they
didn't
want
people
from
vancouver
coming
to
the
city
and
taking
over
the
market.
I
That,
at
the
same
time,
that
I
can't
remember-
but
maybe
you
can
correct
me
at
the
same
time,
that
the
city
sort
of
through
the
mayor's
office
got
a
couple
of
emails
and
they
may
started
speaking
that
we
know
we
got
to
crack
down
on
this
and
was
at
the
same
time
cracks.
Would
you
say
there
was
a
knee-jerk
reaction
on
behalf
of
us
listening
to
the
mayor?
Okay,
thank
you.
O
My
name
is
Peter
I
work
at
paper,
central,
it's
a
it's
a
paper
lounge
am
I
trying
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
community
and
those
who
will
be
affected
by
closing
cannabis.
Community
cannabis
lounges
out
completely
one
of
the
things
I
did
want
to
start
with.
I
wanted
to
know,
have
any
of
you
guys
been
to
cannabis
lounge
by
show
of
hands?
No
okay.
O
Will
it
be
the
LCBO
unionized
members
who
have
never
sold
cannabis
before
advising
people
on
how
to
use
the
products?
Because
if
you
come
to
one
of
our
vapor
lounges,
you're
gonna
learn
how
to
use
cannabis
in
a
responsible
way.
You're
gonna
learn
how
to
use
the
equipment
and
you're
also
gonna,
be
able
to
socialize
with
other
people
who
have
past
experience,
who
can
also
educate
you.
It's
a
great
atmosphere,
and
essentially,
when
you
do
come
in
all
you
see,
is
people
sitting
around
watching
TV,
smoking,
cannabis
and
laughing
together.
I
have
cards
here
today.
O
I
do
invite
some
of
you
to
take
a
look
at
a
cannabis
lounge
come
in,
enjoy
we're
very
welcoming.
We
want
to
see
you,
especially
if
you're,
going
to
make
policies
that
in
hurt
our
community,
especially
if
you're
gonna
make
a
policy
that
will
lose
jobs
for
people
like
me,
Millennials
who
have
a
hard
time
finding
other
jobs
and
other
industries.
This
is
something
that
we
can
be
heavily
employed
in
and
I'd
like
to
see
I'd
like
to
see
this
committee.
Take
that
seriously.
O
Some
other
things
I
wanted
to
say
was
we
have
if
you
even
look
at
vapor
Central's
history,
we've
been
open
for
like
10
years.
You
can
look
at
incidences,
we
don't
have
any
the
only
time
we've
had
any
customer
problem
is
if
a
drunk
comes
to
the
door
and
we
immediately
ask
them
to
leave.
We
have
a
problems
from
other
regulated
substances
that
come
to
our
door,
not
from
cannabis.
If
you
watch
outside
of
our
door,
we
leave
people
happy
and
smiling
they're
out
there
if
anything,
smoking
a
cigarette.
O
I
O
I
O
L
Name
is
Alexander
Newman
I've
been
in
the
cannabis
business
for
the
past
five
years
or
so,
but
I'm
coming
to
you
as
a
former
law
enforcement
and
healthcare,
professional
I've
worked
for
Canada
Border
Services
for
two
years.
I
have
enforced
federal
laws.
I
am
probably
the
only
person
in
this
room.
Perhaps
who's
actually
arrested
somebody
directly
for
cannabis,
I'm
a
licensed
social
worker
in
this
province.
My
history
of
work
deals
mostly
with
youth
I've
worked
with
Big
Brothers,
Big,
Sisters,
Children's,
Aid,
Society,
Victim,
Services,
etc.
L
Broadly
speaking,
the
provincial
proposed
legislation
is
not
going
to
accomplish
its
stated
goals
of
public
well-being,
youth
prevention,
eliminating
the
black
market.
Obviously,
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
different
people,
I'd
like
to
speak
more
specifically
on
enforcement,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
laws
can
be
written,
but
if
they
are
unenforceable
or
if
people
are
not
listening
to
them,
they're
kind
of
useless,
specifically
I
want
to
talk
about
public
consumption.
The
what
essentially
is
being
proposed
is
that
cannabis
is
going
to
be
legalized.
L
You
can
buy
it
in
the
store,
but
you
can
only
smoke
it
in
your
private
residence.
Well,
a
lot
of
people
cannot
do
that,
and
so
for
a
very
large
segment
of
this
population.
We
are
telling
them
here's
a
product
you
can
now
buy
from
the
government,
but
you
cannot
actually
use
it
and
then
we
are
supposed
to
expect
the
police
I
find
the
idea
of
Toronto
police
topic,
stopping
and
ticketing,
or
enforcing
people.
Smoking
weed
on
the
street
just
ridiculous.
L
You're
now
going
to
have
to
have
your
frontline
officers
be
willing
to
do
this.
What
ticketing
individuals
for
what
smoking
on
the
street,
like
I,
don't
believe
as
a
person,
who's
worked
in
a
federal
like
law
enforcement
that
frontline
officers
are
even
going
to
be
interested
in
doing
this
they're,
not
interested
in
enforcing
cannabis
laws.
L
Now,
when
it's
illegal,
when
that,
why
would
they
do
it
again,
when
it's
not
I
mean
we're
talking
about
more
tools
and
shutting
down
stores,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
public
consumption
enforcement's
can
be
very
difficult
to
do,
which
is
why
I
suggest
that
lounges
should
be
licensed
and
I
feel
they're
going
to
solve
a
lot
of
the
problems
that
slaw
is
going
to
create.
You
know,
as
it's
been
said,
there
hasn't
been
any
issues.
I,
don't
think.
If
we
never
even
came
here,
you
would
even
know
we
existed.
L
R
K
M
M
F
L
You
through
you
mr.
chair
I,
I,
think
during
the
deputations
today
there
is
some
debate
or
difference
of
opinion
on
what's
legal
versus
illegal
one
company
said
yeah
we're
illegal
and
we
know
it
and
the
next
speaker
said
no
they're,
not
illegal
and
I
know
it.
From
your
perspective,
are
the
dispensaries,
a
legal
activity
in
the
City
of
Toronto
or
an
illegal
activity
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
G
Through
You
mr.
chair,
the
the
only
law
currently
that
permits
the
sale
or
distribution
of
marijuana
is
the
medicinal
marijuana
regulation,
the
access
to
cannabis
for
medical
purposes,
regulation,
and
it
prescribes
the
manner
in
which
medical
cannabis
can
be
procured.
That
does
not
permit
the
operating
of
storefronts.
So,
in
short,
the
storefronts
that
are
operating
in
the
city
are
illegal.
Okay,.
L
Great
and
I
think
there
are
somebody
else
who
said
to
us
that
we've
got
the
set
of
recommendations
before
us,
and
people
pointed
to
recommendation
number
one
that
City
Council
endorsed
the
provinces
plan
for
provincial
operated
retail
model
and
one
deputy
tenth.
If
I,
if
I
heard
understood
correctly,
said
well
this,
this
might
actually
cause
significant
public
harm.
In
your
opinion,
your
your
name
is
on
this
report
and
you're
recommending
we
endorse
the
provinces
approach.
L
G
I,
do
not
I
believe
both
the
intent
of
the
federal
government
and
the
provincial
government
is
to
ensure
that
Public,
Health
and
Safety,
and
the
mitigation
or
reduction
of
harm
is
first
and
foremost
in
their
intention
in
the
manner
in
which
they
are
choosing
to
legislate
and
having
participated
through
a
number
of
these
sessions.
That
was
a
very
clear,
clear,
guiding
principle
from
a
public
policy
perspective
that
everyone
is
concerned
and
wanting
to
ensure
that
public
health,
public
safety
are
paramount.
G
So
no
I
do
not
believe
that
that
is
the
case,
nor
that
is
the
intention.
This
is
a
significant
culture
change
for
the
country.
It
needs
to
be
done
in
a
cautious
and
deliberate
manner,
because
public
health
and
public
safety
in
particular
the
health
and
safety
of
our
youth,
is
not
something
to
be
entered
into
lightly.
I
G
G
I
Driving
a
car
or
buying
a
car
or
having
a
transportation
vehicle
at
all
so
is
a
federal
matter,
but
we
go
ahead
and
make
recommendations
and
we
make
vilas
and
we
make
all
kinds
of
things
that
we
administer
and
what
is
the
difference
between
that?
One
in
this
I
mean
it's
a
federal
matter,
and
here
you
got
a
federal
amount
of
transportation,
but
we
make
the
rules
and
regulations
the
violence.
Why
can
we
not
see
it
and
through
that
quite.
G
G
You,
mr.
chair,
no
sir,
with
all
due
respect,
it's
very
clear.
The
possession
and
sale
distribution
of
cannabis
has
been
unlawful
for
decades.
In
2001,
the
federal
government
created
a
carve
out
an
exemption
for
medical
consumption
purposes
and
medical
consumption
purposes
only
that
is
currently
the
legislative
regime
we
are
operating
under
until
such
time
as
Bill
c-45.
The
cannabis
Act
allows
for
consumption,
regulated
consumption
for
non
medicinal
purposes,
and
that
is
the
focus
of
this
report.
It
is
not
to
address
the
Medical
Marijuana
regime,
which
will
continue.
I
G
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
I'm,
aware
that
the
province
did
have
open
for
consultation
and
comment
a
survey
throughout
the
summer.
It
is
not
for
me
to
gauge
if
there,
the
adequacy
of
their
consultation
methods.
I,
do
know
that
my
involvement
on
this
file
federally
and
provincially
everyone
that
is
involved
in
this
has
absolutely
got
the
public
health
and
Public
Safety
public
policy
objectives.
First
and
foremost,
I
think
everybody
is
learning
through
this
process.
This
is
where
the
province
has
determined
that
it
wishes
to
start
from
a
distribution
perspective.
I
We
were
told
that
we
got
it
wrong
when
it
comes
to
first
responders.
We're
told
that
we
got
it
wrong
when
it
comes
to
people
are
suffering.
We're
told
this
by
the
industry
that
is
here.
You
did
not
consult
the
industry,
we
did
not
consult
the
industry,
we
waited
in
order
to
see
what
the
province
was
going
to
do
by
us,
approving
what
the
province
says.
I
Isn't
that
giving
the
province
a
carte
blanche
and
they
can
turn
around
say
the
City
of
Toronto
approves
it
when
the
majority
of
the
residents
of
the
majority
of
arataura
antonius
people
that
are
here
today
did
not
approve
this
they're,
not
I
didn't
hear
anybody
approving
us
what
the
problems
is
doing.
Why
are
we
giving
the
province
a
carte
blanche
and
say
go
ahead?
We
were
behind
you
when
they
got
it
wrong.
I
G
You,
mr.
chair,
just
for
clarity.
The
distribution
model
that
the
provinces
pursue
is
proposing
is
for
the
sale
and
distribution
of
recreational
use.
Marijuana.
The
medicinal
marijuana
federal
regulation
remains
in
place.
Both
of
those
systems
will
be
running
concurrently
and
the
federal
government
will
be
reviewing
it
as
they
go
forward
on
how
to
deal
with
the
two
concurrent
systems.
So
no
one
is
taking
away
through
this
particular
report.
The
provinces
Framework
on
recreational
non-medicinal
distribution
is
not
addressing
or
impacting,
or
impeding
the
current
federal
regulation
governing
the
consumption,
possession,
distribution
and
production
of
medical
marijuana.
G
F
G
G
At
such
time
as
there
may
be
a
need
for
the
municipality
to
be
involved
in
passing
by
laws
governing
this
particular
topic,
then
we
absolutely
will
hold
the
appropriate
consultations
at
this
point.
There
is
not
a
municipal
action
to
be
taken
as
far
as
passing
any
legislation.
Ergo
no
consultation
at
this
point.
Thank.
F
P
P
G
You,
mr.
chair,
can
go
a
number
of
ways:
they
could
embed
the
the
penalties
within
their
cannabis
legislation,
not
just
similarly
to
what
they
do
with
the
Occupational
Health
and
Safety
Act
and
others,
and
or
they
could
authorize
us.
If
there's
any
regulation
that
we
do
need
to
pass,
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
attract
those
maximum
penalties,
but
the
provincials,
the
overarching
provincial
statute,
whether
it
be
their
cannabis
regulation,
City
of
Toronto
act.
G
P
G
P
That
we're
trying
to
close
down
right-
that's
Koran
now
as
far
as
the
the
two
issue
are
pertain
closure
orders
for
premises
on
the
same
recommendation.
So
under
this
under
the
City
of
Toronto
map,
we
don't
have
that
authority.
Now
we
would
similar
to
when
we
have
to
cope
when
we
have
to
have
access
to
some
of
these
bars
and
other
illegal
businesses
that
we're
trying
to
get
access
to.
We
don't
have
that
authority
right
now.
We
need
the
province
to
give
us
that
authority
know
through.
G
C
I'll
step
in
here,
the
City
of
Toronto
Act,
does
authorize
city
to
see
closure
orders
for
businesses
that
aren't
in
compliance
with
excuse
me
chapter
545,
a
business
licensing
regime.
This
request
is
to
seek
the
authority
for
closure
orders
in
a
broader
sense
and
prior
to
conviction.
So
it
is
a.
It
is
a
new
request,
but
to
your
point,
there
already
is
the
ability
to
see
closure
orders
in
some
contexts
inside.
P
C
Again
to
the
to
the
nuance
point
there
of
rooming
houses.
That
might
be
a
slightly
different
response,
however,
with
respect
to
unlicensed
businesses
or
non
compliant
businesses,
there
is
that
authority
to
see
closure.
Orders
will
also
note
under
the
City
of
Toronto
act
upon
conviction.
There
are
the
abilities
to
seek
prohibition
orders
from
a
justice
as
well.
Those
can
operate
in
very
similar
fashions,
although
not
directly
against
the
property.
Okay,.
P
G
Through
you,
mr.
chair
in
2013,
when
the
federal
government
released
the
medical
marijuana
for
purposes
regulation,
we
at
the
same
time
enacted
a
zoning
definition
through
a
planning
growth
management,
our
partners
in
City
Planning
to
allow
for
medical
marijuana
production
facilities,
so
those
do
exist,
so
that
was
the
regime
that
was
put
in
place
for
medicinal
marijuana
access
in
2013.
So
this
right,
this
recommendation
is
simply
to
continue
that
we
would
continue
to
regulate
where
those
play
those
establishments
are
okay.
Thank
you.
G
Have
been
consistently
and
continuously
inspecting
and
laying
charges
are
our
current
count
of
operating
dispensaries
that
we're
aware
of
in
the
city
is
62
when
this
started
in
actually
it
started
February
4th
of
2016
when
I
initiated
this
partnership
with
the
Toronto
Police
Service
to
address
the
proliferation
of
the
illegal
storefronts,
it
was
climbing
north
to
a
hundred
okay,
so
we
have
bent
now
it
is.
It
is
open
and
closed
closed
and
open.
So
it's
an
ongoing,
an
ongoing
issue
that
we
are
continuing
to
address
and.
G
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
that
is
one
of
the
recommendations
here,
councillor
DiGiorgio,
that
the
province
does
play
more
of
a
deliberate
role
going
forward,
because
this
is
as
I
note
in
2016
is
when
this
really
started
becoming
an
issue
in
our
communities.
Now,
as
we
go
forward
that
partnership
with
the
province
will
be
important
as
well.
Okay,.
B
G
F
F
G
So
to
you,
mr.
chair,
the
the
regulation:
if
people
operate
in
compliance
with
the
law,
the
federal
the
federal
law
allowing
up
to
four
plants,
we're
not
concerned
from
a
you
know
the
grow-op
stories
that
we've
heard
of
the
past-
it's
where
we
have
larger
scale
production
happening
in
residential
properties.
That
would
constitute
a
commercial
production
facility,
and
we
have
been
involved
in
some
of
those
cases.
Then
absolutely
and
I.
My
partners
from
Toronto
Fire
here
and
I'm
sure
where
someone
decides
to
operate
a
full-scale
commercial
facility
without
the
proper
electrical
etc.
G
We
would
have
concerns,
but
in
the
context
of
what
is
proposed
to
be
permitted
for
home
cultivation
and
the
home
cultivation,
a
personal
grow
or
a
designated
grower
came
back
into
place
for
medicinal
in
twenty
twenty
thirteen
there.
Twenty
sixteen
sorry
and
the
recreational
is
purporting
that,
if
it
was
kept
to
those
minimums,
it's
less
of
a
concern,
but
still
the
appropriate,
the
appropriate
measures
need
to
be
in
place.
F
G
Respect
to
home
cultivation,
we
go
through
you,
mr.
chair,
and
it's
also
one
of
the
reasons
why
there's
no
numbers
articulated
here.
We
don't
know
what
the
municipal
impacts
may
be,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
determine
that
as
we
go
and
depending
on
the
type
of
regulation
that
is
passed
by
the
province
and
then
there
may
or
may
not
be
necessary
regulation
municipally.
We
don't
know
that
yet
that
will
certainly
inform
what
we
what
we
would
project
impact
to
resourcing
would
be
so
we
just
don't
know
right
now,
so.
G
To
you,
mr.
chair,
the
federal
government
is
keeping
in
place
the
access
to
cannabis
for
medical
purposes,
regulation,
which
is
the
regulation
governing
medicinal
marijuana
which
has
been
in
place
since
2016.
Its
predecessor
was
the
MMPR
in
2013.
It
was
the
MMAR
in
2001,
so
through
those
various
three
regulations
governing
medicinal
marijuana,
the
current
is
the
ACM
PR
and
it
is
going
to
continue
to
be
in
place
insofar
as
it
dictates,
production,
distribution,
etc.
G
G
You,
mr.
chair,
both
a
predominant
amount,
has
been
proactive.
We
have
had
a
number
of
complaints
from
different
communities,
particularly
when
a
illegal
storefront
exploded
in
August
of
last
year
on
Eglinton
near
Yonge.
Certainly
I
can
share
with
you
the
number
of
complaints
and
and
types
of
complaints.
G
We
get
from
communities
that
are
concerned
about
the
existence
of
some
of
these
storefronts
and
that's
just
not
to
disparage
anybody
who
may
be
well
intended
in
this
room,
but
unfortunately,
it's
not
always
well
intended,
and
the
fact
is,
the
law
does
not
permit
this
type
of
operation
and
communities
are
concerned.
People
are
confused
and
it's
important
that
everybody
understands
what
the
rules
are
and
abides
by
them.
Great.
F
L
Thank
you,
madam
sorry.
Mr.
Ramsey
as
being
in
the
chair,
yeah
no
motion,
I'm,
just
gonna
move
the
staff
recommendations.
I,
don't
even
think
I
have
to
do
that,
but
just
in
case,
because
there
before
us,
I'm
gonna,
move
the
staff
recommendations,
I,
I'm,
gonna,
maybe
step
back
and
say
certainly
I
welcome
the
federal
and
provincial
legislation
there
are
people
here
talking
about
trying
to
legalize
marijuana.
I
think
legalizing.
Marijuana
is
a
very.
L
Very
good
idea
should
have
happened
a
very
very
long
time
ago,
so
I'm
very
happy
that
we're
legalizing
this
product
so
to
those
advocates
and
people
who
have
fought
those
many
many
battles
and
maybe
faced
some
some
hardships.
My
hat's
off
to
you
I
congratulate
you.
This
is
a
good
thing
that
the
the
nation
is
is
finally
doing
what's
before.
Us
is
a
comment
on
a
provincial
plan.
L
We
don't
make
the
decision
about
who
sells
marijuana
so
I
appreciate
the
input
I've
been
educated
by
a
lot
of
very
intelligent,
smart
and
dedicated
people,
but
you're
talking
to
the
wrong
guy
I,
can't
even
if
I
wanted
to
say,
hey
open
up
a
dispensary
over
there
or
open
up
an
lcbi
over
there.
I
can't
do
it.
The
mayor
can't
do
it.
The
chair
can't
do
it.
None
of
my
colleagues
here
can
do
it
it's
not
within
our
legal
jurisdiction.
It's
the
provincial
and
federal
governments
that
have
jurisdiction
over
this.
L
When
you
look
at
our
recommendation,
we
may
have
some
minor
role
and
talking
about
how
close
this
store
can
be
to
that
store.
But
the
decision
has
been
made
by
the
provincial
government
adopting
a
model
like
the
LCBO
I
personally
again,
I
do
not
smoke.
Marijuana
I
do
not
smoke
cigarettes,
I
do
not
drink
alcohol.
None
of
the
above
for
my
entire
life,
not
even
in
Scarborough
as
a
high
school
student,
not
one
bottle
of
beer,
not
one
joint,
not
one
cigarette.
L
Fortunately,
I
ride
my
bike
about
40k
a
day,
so
it
helps
me
loosen
up
and
relax,
probably
a
healthier
way
to
loosen
up
and
relax
and
some
other
other
methods.
Mr.
chair,
the
LCBO
model
for
alcohol,
I
think
is,
has
worked
quite
well.
I.
Really.
You
know
in
my
my
adult
life.
I,
don't
hear
many
of
my
friends
saying
at
parties
where
there
is
alcohol,
you
know
the
LCBO,
it's
just
horrible,
it's
just
horrible,
like
I,
can't
get
any
product
there.
You
know
you
know
please
I,
think.
F
I
L
F
L
So
mr.
chair,
the
LCBO
model
has
worked
now
that
they're
talking
about
distributing
marijuana,
I
think
it'll
work.
In
fact,
I
thanks
to
the
magic
of
my
cell
phone
I
went
online.
The
LCBO
sells
23,000
different
products,
I'd.
Imagine
most
people
who
smoke
marijuana
when
they
go
into
their
LCBO
dispensary
will
find
out
that
Wow
23
thousand
different
marijuana
products
from
all
around
the
world.
You
think
you're,
gonna,
I,
think
you've
died
and
gone
to
heaven.
L
So
I
think
the
LCBO
s
with
the
ability
of
bulk
purchases,
their
ability
to
have
wonderful
staff
that
are
informed
in
charming,
are
actually
going
to
serve
people's
needs
very
well
in
the
recreational
field,
so
I'm
very
comfortable
moving
forward
with
the
LCBO
model,
I'm
not
worried
about
people
saying
well,
you
know
it's
not
it's
going
to
be
inaccessible
or
the
people
there
are
gonna
be
very
good.
I've
had
employed,
you
know,
people
say
well.
I'm,
employee,
you're,
gonna,
put
me
out
of
work,
no
actually
go
to
the
LCBO,
get
a
job
there.
L
They
you
know
they're
unionized.
They
pay
very
good
wages.
The
young
woman
might
actually
make
more
money
in
a
year
or
two
from
now
than
she
does
now,
because
she
may
be
working
in
an
LCBO
store
that
is
unionized
that
has
regulations
and
safety
measures
put
in
that
are
probably
higher
than
many
people
in
the
private
sector.
Again,
my
experience
is
somebody
who
doesn't
drink
when
I
walk
into
the
LCBO
store
at
my
Cedarburg
mall
they're.
All
over
me
like
flies
to
honey.
I,
can't
take
ten
steps
in
there
and
I.
L
Don't
know
what
to
buy
I've
known,
I've,
never
drunk
in
my
life,
but
you
know
what
they
give
me:
15
16,
17,
18,
different
options
and
I.
Think
that's
what's
gonna
happen
when
you
all
walk
into
the
LCBO
store
to
buy
your
marijuana
or
your
CC
Bo
store
to
buy
your
marijuana,
they'll,
be
a
nice
charming
person
just
like
the
one
who
came
forward
to
us
and
talked
to
us
today.
L
I
Emotion
is
that
we
received
the
item
for
information.
Hardly
any
consultations
were
done
with
the
stakeholders.
It's
very
unusual
that
we
read
reports
and
the
reports
do
not
come
out
seven
days
before
as
it
was.
This
came
out
a
little
bit
later
than
usual.
It's
very
unusual
that
you
do
have
the
executive
directors
name
on
a
report.
Usually
it's
a
staff
person
I,
don't
believe
that
we've
done
a
good
job
on
this
I
think
we
failed
I!
Think
we
stifle
democracy
I.
Think
the
people
that
were
here
today
certainly
didn't
do
not
agree
with
that.
I
We
stifled
them
twice
before
and
today
we
sort
of
like
listened
to
them
and
I
think
it's
just
to
pacify
them.
The
province
has
got
its
own
agenda
and
the
province
will
go
ahead
and
do
what
it
wants
to
do
and
for
us
to
be
part
and
parcel
of
what
the
problems
and
safety
the
problems
now
I'm,
not
a
problem.
You're
doing
things
well,
I
think
this
is
a
mistake.
Many
at
times
the
problems
has
done
mistakes.
I
Many
of
times
we
disagreed
and
many
of
times
we
rise,
and
we
tell
the
province
that
hey
what
you're
doing
is
wrong,
although
we
have
no
hope
in
hell
for
them
listening,
but
to
endorse
them
to
endorse
their
mistake.
It's
certainly
something
that
they
will
stand
up
and
say
the
City
of
Toronto.
The
one
third
of
our
population
endorses
us
well,
nobody
here
today
and
all
the
people
that
were
able
to
to
be
here
today,
be
it
residents,
be
it
stakeholders
in
this
industry.
This
was
an
open
meeting.
They
had
an
opportunity
to
come.
I
Nobody
here
today
gave
us
the
sense
of
what
the
province
was
doing
was
correct.
The
only
thing
that
we
heard
time
and
time
and
time
and
time
again
is
this
is
a
big
mistake.
So
therefore
the
province
is
going
to
do
what
they
want
to
do,
but
for
us
to
be
part
and
parcel
of
their
mistake
for
us
to
endorse
what
they're
about
to
do
for
us
to
endorse
their
by-election
a
couple
of
months
down
the
line
that
is
truly
wrong
for
us
to
endorse,
where
they're
going
is
certainly
wrong.
I
We're
not
guaranteed
that
the
problems
were
these
cannabis
stores
that
they
have
will
be
opening
up
will
be
with
a
certain
distance
from
educational
centers,
we're
not
guaranteed
it's
not
going
to
be
in
the
same
mall
that
you
might
have
a
dance
fool
or
at
Kumaon
we're
not
guaranteed
at
all.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
say:
look.
We
want
them
to
be
so
far
away
from
educational
institutions.
I
We
have
the
opportunity
to
also
put
down
how
we
want
it
to
for
them
to
function,
but
the
only
thing
we're
gonna
do
we're
gonna
bend
over
and
we're
gonna.
The
promise
is
going
to
tell
us
where
they
want
to
do
it,
how
they
want
to
do
it,
and
it's
Big
Brother
telling
us
in
the
city
how
we
must
do
it.
None
of
the
stakeholders
that
are
here
was
actually
consulted
by
the
province.
I
One
of
them
said
that
they
sort
of
went
in
through
the
back
door
and
listened
to
what
they
had
to
say.
The
province
has
failed.
This
is
an
injustice
to
the
people
that
are
actually
either
marijuana,
occasional
smokers,
recreational
or
people
that
are
suffering
the
people
that
are
suffering
you
have
to
put
yourself
in
their
shoes.
I
You
might
want
to
slop
them
off
and
say,
doesn't
really
matter
put
yourself
in
the
shoes
of
a
veteran
that
is
suffering
PTSD
and
that
individual
served
this
country
overseas
and
he
or
she
comes
back
and
is
in
a
woodshed,
because
they
cannot
face
their
demons
and
they
have
to
go
in
order
to
get
the
cannabis
to
smoke.
If
you
haven't
I,
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
the
veteran
community,
I
encourage
you
to
reach
to
our
community
our
first
responders
that
are
suffering
they're
suffering
from
PTSD.
I
It
is
not
easy
to
go
to
a
trauma
scene.
It
is
not
easy
to
walk
in
somewhere
as
a
paramedic
or
a
firefighter
when
you
see
somebody's
brains
being
blown
you're
suffering
and
the
only
recourse
you
got
is
this
and
for
us
not
to
make
this
available
to
them
readily
I
think
this
is
an
injustice.
It
is
a
mistake,
and
we're
certainly
going
to
hear
for
this
during
the
Winchell
election,
and
it
will
be
a
price
to
pay.
Let
is
not
be
party
to
this
mistake.
I
Let
us
not
make
the
mistake
that
the
provincial
government
wants
us
to
do.
I
know
what
the
black
market
does.
My
area
was
infested
with.
Marijuana
grow
houses
back
in
2003,
2004
2005,
here's
an
opportunity
to
legalize
it.
Here's
an
opportunity
to
make
it
readily
available
to
people.
What
are
we
doing?
I
F
F
Is
I'm
going
to
make
a
ruling
on
the
vice-chair?
Carry
Chinese
motion
is
out
of
order
at
this
level.
We
think
this
committee
doesn't
have
the
jurisdiction
to
do
it
either
it
can
be
deferred.
It
can
be.
We
can
be
refer
all
same
to
City
Council
with
our
recommendation.
That's
that's
the
only
thing.
The
only
authority
that
this
committee
has
so
your
motion
is
not
warden
sure.
F
F
I
L
I
F
L
L
Yeah
can
I
just
I
think
but
I
think
councillor
care
giannis
is
intent,
was
perhaps
to
refer
back
to
staff
for
further
consultation
with
stakeholders
that
would
have
been
in
order,
but
he
worded
it
all
say
incorrectly.
You
vent
you've,
you've,
educated
him
that
and
and
informed
him
that
that
wording
is
out
of
order.
I
would
think
as
a
courtesy
we
would
let
him
put
in
a
motion,
for
that
is
an
order
and
we
can
vote
on
it.
F
B
P
Thank
you
and
I,
as
well
as
I
support
the
the
the
staff
recommendations
and
I
disagree
with
the
previous
beaker
that
we're
giving
carte
blanche.
You
know
what
we're
doing
is
work
okay,
counselor
care,
Gianna's,
please!
When
I
was
there
talking
to
staff,
you
told
me
not
to
speak
so
I'm
telling
you
not
to
speak
now.
Please.
F
F
P
F
P
Will
be
supporting
the
staffs
for
a
staff
recommendation
were
responding
to
the
product
to
to
the
province,
and
what
we're
doing
is
we're
putting
forward
recommendations
on
to
the
province
that
this
is.
This
is
what
the
City
of
Toronto
is
requesting,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
what
we
what
we're
deserved,
what
we
deserve
to
get
and
as
far
as
enforcement
I
think
we
should
have
higher
penalties.
P
P
P
Like
like
I,
said
in
some
of
these
requests,
I
think
should
be
a
little
tighter
when
we
ask
the
questions
to
some
of
the
deputies
today
that
they
realize
that
they're
operating
illegally.
Yes,
they
acknowledge
that,
but
they
still
continue
to
operate
illegally.
We
as
politicians.
Well,
what
do
we
do
when
we
get
complaints
from
constituents
which
I
do
all
the
time
about
illegal
businesses
that
are
running
in
the
area?
Why
aren't
we
closing
them
down?
P
Why
are
we
enforcing
the
bylaw
on
and
on
and
on
what
makes
us
any
different
than
any
other
illegal
business
that
we're
dealing
with
US
politicians?
It's
our
responsibility
to
uphold
the
law
and
to
make
sure
that
businesses
run
legally
in
the
city
and
if
they're
not,
they
need
to
be
a,
we
need
to
enforce
it
and
when
they
need
to
be
penalized,
I've
had
a
number
of
establishments
opening
up
open
up.
P
B
B
Those
outlets
that
are
licensed
through
this
subsidiary
company
of
LCBO
I
suspect
it
will
be
an
election
issue
for
them.
I
think
once
something
is
legalized.
We
as
the
as
a
city
under
the
City
of
Toronto
I,
do
have
the
licensing
powers
to
license
people,
but
I
think
the
province
is
saying:
I,
guess
indirectly
no
to
us.
At
this
point,
they're
saying
the
only
distribution
outlets
will
be
those
that
we
indicate
and
I
think
we
obligated
accounts
accrue
giannis
to
go
the
route
that
is
being
proposed
here
and
that
is
to
go
to
proceed
slowly.
B
I
suspect,
if
we
get
more
and
more
outlets
that
are
operating
illegally
and
we
can't
keep
up
with
the
enforcement.
We're
gonna
deal
with
an
issue
further
down
the
road
and
the
province
may
in
fact
allow
us
to
to
use
some
of
our
licensing
powers
to
regulate,
because
that
really
is
the
ultimate.
Probably
a
solution
to
this
thing
is
that
we
need
to
regulate
very
carefully
licensing
and
not
only
that,
but
where
we
allow
them
to
locate
through
our
zoning,
bylaws
and
I.
Think
that
addresses
comes
from
Nunziata
spointer222.
B
F
The
first
and
foremost
I
want
thanks
city
staff
for
all
the
work
that
has
been
done
and
the
recommendations
that
are
before
us
I
want
to
thank
all
the
dividends.
I
know
how
passionate
you
are
and
a
number
of
your
concerns.
We
do
share
those
concerns
as
well,
and
we
will
continue
to
pay
close
attention
to
it
as
we
move
forward
now.
F
The
way
a
number
of
the
proliferation
of
dispensers,
though
that
was
taking
place,
it
was
getting
out
of
him
at
one
point
and
one
of
them
caught
fire,
and
we
have
multiple
dwelling
units
in
that
building
and
it
was
sad
to
have
a
number
of
people
losing
their
homes.
Then
they
couldn't
stay
there.
So
I
do
have
some
concerns
in
those
are
valid
concerns
for
all
of
us
when
it
comes
to
the
bill.
F
Creating
a
common-sense
framework
that
will
allow
either
public
or
private
dispensers
were
lacking,
operating
a
safe
way
in
a
responsible
manner
and
in
that
with
the
interest
of
the
city
overall.
So
as
in
there
with
regards
to
the
motion
from
my
dear
colleague,
can
Circle
it
Johnny's
doing
nothing
at
this
point,
I
think
that's
not
the
answer.
As
we
all
know,
the
city
is
a
creature
of
the
province
in
their
form.
F
If
they
are
imposing
on
us,
women
have
also
to
express
some
concerns
and
I'm
sure
we
are
going
to
have
a
healthy
debate
at
City
Council
and
in
some
of
the
your
thoughts
most
likely
will
be
implemented
as
well.
So
on
that
note,
once
again
thank
you
to
to
you
all
and
thank
you
to
our
city
staff,
and
we
have,
and
we
have
the
recommendations
within
the
report
that
was
moved
by
the
deputy
mayor.
So
that's
before
us
all.
Those
in
favor
of
other
recommendations
against.