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Licensing and Standards Committee, meeting 19, May 5, 2017
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0:12:23 - Call to order
Agenda Items:
0:19:32 - LS19.1 - Amendments to Chapter 693, Signs, Article II, Election Signs (Ward All)
2:00:28 - LS19.2 - Graffiti Management Plan - StreetARToronto (StART) 2017 Partnership Grant Recommendations (Ward All)
0:15:48 - LS19.3 - Regulatory Framework to Permit Year-Round Full Patio Café Enclosures (Ward All)
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A
We
do
have
quorum
good
morning.
Everyone
Conan's
minute
were
there
as
cheer
the
community
first
one
to
welcome
you
all
and
a
warm
welcome
to
members
of
the
public
and
those
watching
like
online.
As
usual,
I'd
like
to
remind
everyone
that
you
can
find
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
in
front
of
the
meeting.
Real-Time
at
www.seannal.com.
A
The
community
room
and
select
follow
the
Proceedings
of
the
meeting.
We
have
the
TV
screen
in
the
back.
That
provides
real-time
updates
concerning
where
we
are
in
the
agenda
and
what's
coming
up
next,
the
licensing
standards
committee
gratefully
acknowledge
that
were
meeting
in
the
traditional
territory
of
the
Mississauga's
on
new
creators
nation
day
or
the
no
show
channel
the
Huron
when
that
in
home,
to
many
diverse
indigenous
peoples.
A
A
Gary,
thank
you
John
and
list
of
speakers,
green
and
okay.
We
have
let
me
go
through
the
agenda
and
I'm
going
to
put
any
items
that
that
we
have
speakers.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
amendments
to
chapter
six.
Ninety
three
signs
article
two
election
signs.
We
have
a
DEP
attend,
so
that
item
is
being
held.
A
A
So
those
two
items
having
hand
also
we
have
communications
that
had
to
be
added
onto
the
agenda
and
to
need
to
introduce
and
one
communication
is
dated,
April
the
twenty
seven
and
it
was
I
believe
that
all
the
members
of
the
committee
have
this
one
and
it
comes
from
a
or
sauntering
in
the
chair
with
regards
to
the
regulatory
framework
to
allow
year,
one
full
paragraph,
a
enclosures
so
can
I
have
a
motion
to
e
as
just
another.
Second,
there
is
another
communication
as
well.
A
Now
let
me
deal
with
this
one
first,
so
this
item
needs
to
introduce
and
really
to
the
engine
to
the
agenda.
We
like
to
move
the
pencil
and
deputy
mayor
plane
development,
all
those
available
against
carry.
We
can
spa
so
this
item
as
well.
What
I
like
to
do
is
to
refer,
decided
city
staff
as
they
are
working
ready
on
it
and
and
to
report
back
at
the
same
time
in
terms
of
party
deputations
and
public
knowledge
that
had
to
be
given.
A
So
I
would
like
to
to
refer
this
to
just
have
all
those
in
favor
against
carry
so
that's
this
process.
Often
thank
you
just
for
to
share
with
you
this
communication
from
elsewhere
and
that's
from
the
bag
taxi,
and
these
communication
is
before
it
was
sent
to
the
members
of
the
committee
a
couple
things
there
is
out
of
order
to
begin
with,
because
members
of
the
public
they
cannot
introduce
any
motions,
motions
country
introduced
by
members
of
the
committee.
In
the
absence
of
that,
we
cannot
do
that
in
number
two.
A
A
Item
number
one:
LS
19.1
amendments
to
chapter
693,
science,
article
2
or
the
Elections
Act,
and-
and
we
have
before
we
I
call
for
fabrica
speakers,
I-
think
that
series
tab
they're,
prepared
to
make
representation
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
extremely
helpful
to
all
of
us
to
have
a
presentation
from
city
staff,
so
I'm
going
to
invite
City
stab
to
make
the
presentation
to
the
committee
and
then
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
whatever
else.
So
we
have.
The
executive
director
of
municipal
agency
standards
is
cook
Chancellor,
Kerry
Chinese.
A
B
I
also
have
a
quick
point
of
order.
Mr.
chair
I
missed
I.
Guess
we
approved
item
number
two.
Yes,
the
grants
and
I
just
have
a
request
for
next
year.
I
think
these
grants
give
us
some
of
the
best
public
art
we
have
in
the
entire
city.
So
I
don't
know.
If
next
year
we
could
have
maybe
a
short
PowerPoint
saying
over
the
last
two
or
three
years.
These
are
the
sixty
murals
that
we've
commissioned
and
here's
just
how
spectacular
they
are
deputy.
A
Mayor
I
I,
second,
that
that
item
is
being
hand
but
in
terms
of
your
comments,
I
couldn't
agree
with
you
more
and
what
I
would
like
to
request.
Actually,
that
represented
should
be
made
at
City
Council,
because
that's
I
think
in
terms
of
the
street
art
did
something
the
most
proactive,
progressive
things
ever.
That's
happening
to
your
channel,
so
I
like
to
I.
C
C
C
Luck
would
be,
and,
and
while
I
have
a
microphone,
I
would
like
to
just
take
an
opportunity
that
I've
not
had
in
the
last
two
meetings
to
introduce
one
of
the
newest
members
of
my
director
team
rod.
Jones,
who
is
seated
back
here.
Rod
is
our
new
director
by
law
enforcement.
He's
got
the
licensing
enforcement
waist
and
Parks
teams,
so
you'll
be
seeing
him
around
a
little
bit
more
and
and
he'll
be
taking
care
of
all
of
your
issues.
C
Well
at
least
the
ones
that
Marc's
not
taking
care
of
just
some,
not
all
all
right
so
good
morning,
I'd
like
to
take
you
quickly
through
what
we
are
recommending
as
amendments
to
the
election
signs
provisions
in
Chapter,
six,
nine,
three,
the
by
law
dealing
with
signs.
This
has
been
through
this
process
previously
we're
going
to
walk
quickly
through
the
background
review
the
process
very
quickly
that
we've
undertaken
and
then
go
through
some
of
the
proposed
changes
and
away
we
go
so
just
by
reference.
C
We
were
asked
in
May
of
2014
to
review
the
provisions
governing
election
signs.
We
did
report
back
through
this
committee
and
subsequently
through
Council
in
August
of
2014,
because
we
were
so
close
to
the
time
for
the
2014
municipal
election.
A
decision
was
taken
by
council
that
we
refer.
The
item
be
referred
back
and
we
come
back
at
a
later
point.
C
That
later
point
is
now
we
through
the
substance
of
this
report,
we
hope
to
respond
to
the
directives
we've
been
given,
really
with
an
eye
and
focus
on
establishing
a
more
efficient
and
effective
process
to
the
manner
in
which
the
election
sign
issue
is
governed,
simplicity,
simplicity
and
clarity
is
what
we're
seeking
and
a
minimization
on
administrative
burden
both
for
city
staff
and
for
candidates
through
the
election.
That
process
is
our
goal.
C
We
know
through
our
experience,
that
the
manner
in
which
the
bylaw
is
currently
constructed
and
the
way
the
process
currently
operates
tears
up
a
significant
amount
of
time
by
everyone.
As
I've
mentioned,
multiple
city
divisions,
many
staff,
a
lot
of
processes
involves
in
some
particular
aspects
which
I'll
get
into
further.
So
the
goal,
as
I
said
you
know
administratively
right
now.
The
process
is
inefficient,
ineffective,
cumbersome
and
confusing.
So
we
want
to
try
to
bring
some
simplicity.
C
I
can
also
share
that
the
the
way
the
process
is
now
is,
as
not
only
administrative
ly
burdensome,
but
really
does
it.
The
you
know
the
monies
that
we
do
end
up
recovering
in
a
very
minimal
amount,
don't
even
cover
the
administrative
cost,
let
alone
the
enforcement
costs,
so
it
really
needed
a
refresh
and
a
review
on
the
effectiveness.
So
in
the
past
and
as
I
mentioned,
we
brought
this
forward.
C
2014
we
dealt
with
having
public
consultations,
we
had
some
great
input
from
their
jurisdictional
research
and
also
they
were
outstanding
items
from
an
auditor
general
recommendation
and
Abed's
meds
recommendation
in
relation
to
the
processes.
Lastly,
and
at
the
very
end
of
the
presentation,
I'll
touch
briefly
on
an
item
that
I
know
is
of
great
interest
and
that's
in
respect
to
some
of
the
amendments
resulting
from
the
Municipal
Elections,
Modernization
Act,
so
I'll
speak
to
that
at
the
end.
C
So
what
we're
recommending
I'll
start
with
the
display
the
time
period
for
the
election
signs
can
be
displayed.
So
what
we've
provided
to
you
in
this
presentation?
It
will-
and
hopefully
you
all
have
a
copy
is
what
the
current
provisions
are,
and
they
do
differ
between
federal
and
provincial
municipal
and
even
as
it
relates
to
election
signs
on
campaign
offices.
So
what
we
are
seeking
is
consistency
on
the
municipal
elections
and
on
the
campaign
offices
to
reflect
21
days
prior
to
the
election
election
day.
C
You'll
note,
currently,
it's
25
they
moved
to
21
days
is
as
a
result
of
the
prior
recommendation
or
direction
we
received
from
committee
when
this
was
brought
forward
in
2014.
We're
also
proposing
some
language
for
clarity
where
that
21st
day
falls
on
a
date
of
religious
or
cultural
significance.
We
want
to
embed
the
flexibility
in
the
bylaw
to
give
effect
to
the
next
applicable
date.
This
did
happen
once
I
believe
was
maybe
the
2011
election
where
it
fell
on
a
date
that
was
problematic.
C
C
If
there
have
been
fees
assessed
to
due
to
signs
being
improperly
placed
the
process
as
it
is,
involves:
City
Clerk's,
MLS,
legal
or
policy
planning,
finance
and
admin
finance
staff,
a
lot
of
people
not
to
mention
a
lot
of
confusion
and
lack
of
clarity
on
the
side
of
the
candidates,
who
aren't
sure
how
to
do
the
affidavits
when
to
do
the
affidavits
and
to
what
extent
to
the
affidavits
apply.
So
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
confusion
in
this
regard.
C
What
we
are
proposing
is
the
elimination
of
the
deposit
fee
and
just
further
on
that,
when
we
brought
this
forward
in
2014,
we
actually
recommended
$125
non-refundable
deposit,
but
we
also
did
hear
from
a
number
of
candidates
who
are
not
necessarily
incumbents,
but
are
people
who
are?
Are
the
small
have
smaller
campaigns
and
they
spoke
to
the
the
economics
of
their
ability
to
participate
if
a
fee
related
to
the
permission
to
post
election
signs
was
too
great.
So
certainly,
this
is
for
your
discussion
and
direction.
C
C
Currently,
we
also
have
the
fees
that
are
applied
when
we
sees
signs
that
are
improperly
placed
again.
This
has
resulted
in
us
compiling
invoices
bills
for
those
fees.
Those
were
the
ones
that
were
typically
or
were
subsequently
waived
through
a
waiver
process,
a
lot
of
disruption,
and
we
know
when
signs
go
out.
Signs
can
get
moved
and
every
year
that
we
have
an
election
I
just
went
through
this.
C
For
the
first
time
in
2014
I
heard
I
got
the
calls
I
heard
the
issues
I
heard
the
concerns
people
saying
that
their
signs
had
been
properly
placed,
but
some
persons
had
moved
the
signs,
thus
putting
the
candidate
into
an
illegal
sign
position.
Us
seizing
the
signs
and
it
becomes
this
circle
of
collection,
display
collection
display.
C
In
along
that
line,
we
currently
have
fees
that
speak
about
and
the
length
of
time
that
we
will
store
or
when
we
will
dispose
of
election
signs.
Currently,
we
say
we'll
hold
them
for
up
to
30
days
that
the
signs
may
be
retrieved
as
long
as
the
amounts
outstanding
for
the
cost
for
us
to
recover
them
are
paid
and
we
destroy
them.
After
30
days
in
this
last
election,
we
really
worked
attempted
to
work
with
the
candidates
to
turn
those
signs
back
over.
C
So
just
for
a
summary
or
an
overview
of
the
timing,
we're
saying
that
election
signs
once
the
election
sign
period
commences
we're
proposing
that's
21
days
prior
to
the
election
date
that
there's
an
additional
72
hours
that
the
signs
may
remain
out
after
the
election
day
that
we
will
hold
the
signs
for
another
72
hours
after
which
they
will
be
disposed
of,
and
we've
had
a
great
partner
with
our
colleagues
and
solid
waste
who
have
done
everything
they
can
to
recycle
these.
Whatever
parts
of
the
signs
could
be
recycled,
they
have
done
that.
C
So
now
one
of
the
the
issue
that
raises
itself
through
every
election
is
where
can
I
put
the
election
signs,
so
we're
proposing
clarity
on
where
election
signs
can
be
placed
and
you'll
see
between
my
discussion
on
public
property
and
private
property,
we
are
endeavoring
to
to
eliminate
that
imaginary
line,
as
it
were.
To
some
extent,
there's
there's
one
caveat
on
here
and
I
do
have
to
give
credit
to
councillor
named
Giada's
office
identified
an
issue
around
requiring
consent.
We
do
believe
there's
a
motion
going
to
that.
C
Therefore,
you
know
ed
enabling
some
additional
space
for
the
permissions
for
election
signs.
Our
focus
on
these
still
remains
that
that
sight
line
obstruction
needs
to
be
avoided.
We
need
to
ensure
that
our
pedestrian,
clear
ways
our
intersections
are
not
obscured
by
signs,
so
the
requirement
that
these
be
15
meters
back
of
those
still
applies,
and
certainly
in
respect
to
you,
know
general
election
conduct
that
vote
the
election
signs
cannot
be
near
a
voting
place.
Those
are
existing
provisions,
we're
suggesting
we
retain
those
provisions.
C
On
private
property,
obviously,
as
I've
indicated
as
well
for
private
public
property
placement
has
to
be
with
the
consent
of
the
private
property
owner.
We
did
have
a
provision
that
said
people
cannot
display
election
signs
indoors
if
they
were
and
the
size
requirement
we're
eliminating
that.
So
people
want
especially
people
with
small
properties
that
want
to
display
a
sign,
but
maybe
are
within
15
meters
of
an
intersection.
This
will
open
up
an
opportunity
for
them
to
support
their
candidate
of
choice,
allow
them
to
post
a
sign
on
their
property
in
their
windows.
C
We
currently
have
a
provision
with
the
TTC
advert
dedicated
advertising
space,
we're
just
suggesting
that
we
amend
the
by
law
to
include
Street
installation,
dedicated
advertising
space,
so
I'm
glad
my
friends
from
public
realm
are
here.
Certainly
if
a
candidate
seeks
to
procure
space
through
astro
media
with
the
arrangement
they
make
with
them,
but
it
would
be
permitted.
So
it's
expanding
a
permission
beyond
just
TTC
dedicated
advertising
and
including
the
dedicated
advertising
space
on
our
street
furniture
as
applicable.
C
C
Well,
it
did
come
up
in
the
last
election
period
and
there
was
a
great
deal
of
confusion,
so
we
felt
it
was
a
good
idea
to
embed
in
this
bylaw
clarity
that,
in
light
of
what
is
would
be
deemed
an
election
sign
would
be
permitted
on
a
vehicle
or
trailer,
but
certainly
they
cannot
be
parked
in
front
of
voting
stations.
They
cannot
be
parked
to
obstruct
sideline
sight
lines,
visibility,
etc,
but
just
allows
what
we
know.
Some
have
had
an
interest
in
doing
in
the
past.
C
We
have
a
currently
a
provision
dealing
with
billboards,
we're
seeking
an
amendment
simply
to
bring
some
clarity
and
more
up-to-date
language
in
respect
to
how
we
reference
billboards,
making
reference
to
the
chapter
694
that
governs
billboards
where
permits
are
required.
This
also
will
include
an
amendment
that
addresses
third
parties
who
may
now
advertise
on
behalf
of
candidates,
which
will
speak
to
a
little
bit
later.
C
C
We've
heard
that
confusion
of
when
is
an
election
sign,
an
election
sign,
and
if
my
campaign
office
sign
is
one
or
not,
so
what
we're
proposing
is
create
a
definition
of
what
a
campaign
office
sign
is
and
we've
provided
here
that
it
in
Cates
simply
the
name
of
the
candidate
in
their
location,
but
cannot
and
contain
electioneering
or
campaigning
language.
So
if
you
have
an
office,
Jim,
Carey
Janice,
it
can't
say
vote
for.
C
C
They're,
more
than
titled
to
do
so,
but
we'll
make
sure
we've
got
clarity
on
that.
That's
a
great
question,
so
the
point
to
it
is
exact,
but
actually
this
gives
rise
to
exactly
why
we
want
to
have
a
definition
for
this.
There
needs
to
be
clarity.
People
need
to
understand
what
they
can
and
cannot
do.
What
is
within
the
context
of
just
a
sign
versus
an
election
sign.
C
There
is
one
one
thing
that
was
in
the
report
that
we
need
to
have
amended
was
just
on
the
timing.
Just
a
little
technical
confusion
issue,
but
again
the
campaign
office
sign
we're
saying
it
would
be
permitted
during
the
election
once
the
candidate
has
registered
to
be
a
candidate,
the
sign
can
go
out,
I,
think
that
was
it
for
that
a
party
logo
we'll
take
it
out.
Okay,
the
last
component
here
is
in
respect
to
the
recent
amendments
to
the
Municipal
Elections
Act,
just
for
clarity.
C
So
what
we
are
proposing
is
adding
a
definition
for
these
now
permitted
subject
to
the
MEA
and
your
your
dilip
discussions,
the
third
party
advertisers
and
the
election
signs
being
referenced
as
outsider
election
signs,
so
creating
different
definitions
of
what
those
are
differentiating
from
the
candidates.
Election
signs
require
that
these
third
party,
or
these
outsider
election
signs
are
required
to
comply
with
all
the
regulations
regarding
first
party
or
candidate
election
signs
require
that
they
can.
C
C
So
the
report
in
the
amendments
you
have
in
front
of
you
give
effect
to
these
new
permissions
and
just
on
that
last
point
and
I
do
understand.
There's
still
some
discussion
to
be
had
in
regard
to
the
amendments
that
have
been
made
to
the
MEA,
and
my
understanding
is
that,
though,
that
subject
in
a
more
broader
sense
will
be
subject
of
a
future
report
either
from
the
city
solicitor,
the
city
clerk,
both
one
or
the
other.
C
A
D
D
Good
morning
councillors,
my
name
is
Alan
Kaspersky
and
with
the
Green
Party
of
Toronto,
a
municipal
electoral
Association
I
want
to
speak
to
the
report,
specifically
page
10
of
12
item.
Eight
amendments
related
to
changes
in
the
Municipal
Elections
Act
third
party
advertising,
but
I'd
like
to
relate
a
story
to
you.
First
years
and
years
ago,
I
was
a
chief
referee,
a
drug
for
rugby
at
the
University
of
Toronto
and
I'm
refereeing,
a
game
between
engineering
and
Ennis
College
and
the
games
going
along
fairly.
Well,
yes,
until
I
notice,
there's
a
woman
playing.
D
This
is
a
men's
glee
game
and
there
was
a
woman
playing
and
I
looked
and
I
recognized
her.
She
was
a
provincial
level
player,
a
very
good
flanker,
but
I
looked
and
I
went
wait
a
minute.
It's
a
men's
league
game.
You
can't
play
so
stop
play
and
I
asked
her
to
leave
the
field
which
she
did
subsequently
got
called
into
the
dean's
office
at
at
U
of
T
in
the
Year
phys
ed
department,
and
he
asked
me
why
this
was
a
fairly
simple
question
for
me.
D
Ask
me
why
I
ordered
the
player
off
the
field
and
I
said
she's
a
woman.
She
can't
play
in
a
men's
game
and
I
was
told
in
no
uncertain
terms
that
if
a
woman
wanted
to
play
rugby
in
the
men's
league,
they
were
should
be
allowed
to
be.
Now
we
had
rules
at
the
Ontario
rugby
union.
That
said,
we
weren't
allowed
to
referee
a
game
like
that,
because
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
women's
rugby
at
the
time.
The
answer
I
was
given
was
that
the
university
would
much
rather
deal
with
an
insurance
claim.
D
If
she
got
injured
then
deal
with
a
lawsuit
for
discriminating
against
her
as
a
woman,
why
do
I
bring
that
to
your
attention?
You're
faced
with
a
very
similar
situation,
third-party
advertiser,
as
Miss
Cooke
will
tell
you,
is
definite,
is
defined
in
the
MEA
as
an
individual,
a
trade
union
or
a
corporation
we're
none
of
the
above
we're
a
municipal
political
party.
We're
a
group
now
this
would
apply
to
a
residents.
Association
could
apply
to
very
a
lot
of
different
groups.
D
D
D
Our
signs
will
be
three
times
that
size
our
candidates
will
comply
with
all
the
guidelines,
but
as
the
party
as
the
Association
we're
not
a
third
party
advertiser,
we
don't
have
to
register
with
the
municipality
with
the
province,
we're
not
bound
by
the
guidelines
about
how
much
money
we
raise
where
we
spend
it.
We
don't
have
to
report
on
who
we
get
money
from
at
all,
because
we're
not
required
to
register
so
timing
size.
D
We
can
have
I
guess
our
own
discussions
about
what
would
make
sense
for
us
as
a
party
party,
Association
kind
of
interchangeable
terms.
So
there's
a
there's,
an
easy
solution
and
I've
suggested
this
to
the
clerk
to
Elections
Toronto
to
the
province
register.
Us
as
a
municipal
political
party,
don't
have
to
reinvent
any
wheels
as
a
very
simple
process.
The
that
elections
BC
does
I've
spoken
to
them,
they'd
be
very
happy
to
talk
to
Elections
Toronto
elections.
D
The
clerk
here
in
Toronto
tician
show
how
easy
it
could
be
done.
Some
people
will
suggest,
and
the
clerk
certainly
has
done
that
to
me
to
us.
She
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
The
MEA
section,
12
powers
of
the
clerk
suggests
that
she
does.
If
there
is
something
that
is
desirable
and
that's
I
mean
you
know,
an
interesting
got
a
discussion
or
necessary.
D
Why
we
believe
it
would
be
necessary
because
the
alternative
would
be
not
to
register
the
party
would
be
to
have
those
people
take
the
city
to
court
under
the
Constitution
of
the
Charter,
the
Charter
says
freedom
of
expression,
freedom
of
association
is
a
guarantee,
but
it
already
is
a
court
case.
Please
try
to
wrap
up
sure,
there's
a
fairly
simple
solution,
but
if
you
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
solution,
what
you're
going
to
be
faced
with
is
our
signs
going
up
as
I
say,
May
1st.
E
D
If
you
can
get
the
the
province
to
change
the
definition
of
third
party,
you
could
do
that.
It
wouldn't
be
something
City
would
be
able
to
do
arbitrarily,
but
I
understand
that
we
have
suggested
that
it's
being
the
the
definition
of
British
Columbia's
group
or
individual.
That
would
be
the
simplest
definition
what
the
province
did
when
they
amended
the
MEA
is
they
took
the
definition
from
the
elections
act?
D
So
not
only
would
you
have
to
amend
the
Municipal
Elections
Act
you
likely
would
have
to
amend
the
provincial
elections
Act
as
well
about
the
definition
of
third
party
I.
Don't
can't
tell
you
councillor
why
they
would
have
narrowed
the
definition
like
they
did
other
than
it
had
probably
something
to
do
with
an
old
definition
on
campaign
contributions.
Okay,.
D
Respectfully,
not
to
combat
the
incumbent
advantage
that
you
folks
have
name
recognition
is
critical
ground
game
as
Krita
on
that
kind
of
thing.
The
complicating
factor
this
next
year
will
be
the
provincial
election
will
be
underway
at
that
time.
So
it
would
make
sense
that
you'd
wait
till
after
the
provincial
election,
but
any
opportunity
to
have
the
name
of
the
party.
The
47
candidates
who
were
running
for
the
party
48
candidates
would
be
a
good
thing.
From
our
perspective.
Do
we
think
we
confusing
people
not
at
all?
Okay,
thanks,
yuebuqun
you're,
welcome.
Thank.
F
F
C
G
C
F
F
F
C
I
can
share
with
you
through
the
chair.
I
can
share
with
you
that,
in
respect
to
the
federal
provincial
elections
and
and
as
it
relates
to
election
signs,
we
have
not
had
substantial
issues
in
regards
to
sign
placement
with
the
current
regime,
where
our
greatest
challenges
have
been
have
been
in
respecting
at
the
municipal
elections.
C
C
We
are
I'm
not
making
a
discern
whether
they're
a
candidate
or
not
in
respect
to
the
timing
for
federal
or
provincial,
because
we
have
allowed
the
permissions
from
the
date
the
Irate
of
election
is
issued
and
the
matter
of
candidacy
within
that
period
has
not
factored
in
for
the
purposes
of
election
sign
placement
previously.
So.
C
F
G
F
C
C
So
currently,
yes,
we
have
those
provisions
that
wherever
a
sign
is
placed,
they
cannot
be
within
1.5
metres
of
the
curb
or
edge
of
the
pavement
or
with
it
and
or
within
0.6
meters
of
a
sidewalk.
Those
provisions
are
there
to
ensure
public
safety,
personal
safety
and
mitigating
obstruction
of
sight
lines.
Now.
C
F
C
E
G
E
C
C
E
Through
person,
okay,
and
in
so,
if
you
and
so
there's
a
$250
signed
deposit
that
you're
recommending
that
we
no
longer
collect
or
the
city
no
longer
collects
correct.
So
what
what
is
the?
What
would
the
procedure
be
for
if
someone
violates
the
sign
rule
and
only
understand,
is
it
just?
We
sees
the
signs
and
say
have
a
happy
day
so.
C
C
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
I,
I,
don't
I
think
the
you
know
generally.
The
issues
we
have
and
the
issues
we
want
to
focus
on
are
those
that
obstruct
or
impact
Public
Safety
and
we're
going
to
deal
with
those.
Irrespective
we
have
found
that
the
administrative,
the
administering
of
the
current
regime,
with
a
refundable
deposit
waivers
where
people
are
swearing
that
they
didn't
place,
the
signs
is
far
more
burdensome
than
and
would
not
impact
or
does
not
impact
the
amount
of
enforcement
we
need
to
do.
We
still
have
a
significant
enforcement
challenge.
C
E
You
don't
so
I
guess
I'm
a
little
confused,
because
previously
there
were
I
thought
there
was
there
were
consider,
was
concerns
or
concerns
were
expressed
by
candidates
that
might
be
have
a
smaller
budget
that
that
250
dollars
was
burdensome
as
a
deposit.
So
if,
if
money
is
an
issue
for
those
candidates,
would
fines
not
be
an
issue
for
those
candidates
as
well
potential
fines,
so.
C
To
you,
mr.
chair
I,
guess
that
would
infer
that
those
candidates
would
be
operating
outside
the
responsibilities
in
the
bylaw
I'm.
Just
I
can
share
with
you
that
this
is
what
we
did
here.
The
smaller
candidate
is
smaller
campaigns
and
their
concern
of
costs
just
to
be
have
the
permission
to
post
signs.
I.
Don't
believe
that
there
is
a
corollary,
okay,
but.
E
Know
I'm
just
thinking
trying
to
get
your
professional
opinion,
okay
and
then
the
last
question
I
have
comes
back
to
councillor
Cara
Genesis
or
one
of
his
questions
about
this
going
from
25
days
to
21
days.
I
understand
that
was
previous
council
direction.
If
you
will
two
questions
surrounding
that,
do
you
recall
the
sort
of
the
general
consensus
is
why
21
days
was
picked
and
not
twenty
or
eight?
No
thank
you.
I
understand,
there's
that
but
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
why
21
days
and
not
18
days
or
whatever
the
case
right
so.
C
Actually,
through
mr.
chair,
there
was
at
one
point
discussion
of
reducing
it
to
14
days,
but
there's
also
the
concern
around
you
know:
fair
access
for
people
to
participate
and
certainly
and
I
know
I-
can
see
our
city
solicitor
is
is
dying
to
get
in
on
this.
The
concerns
around
freedom
of
speech
and
ensuring
people
have
okay.
E
E
So,
do
you
recall
what
the
rationale
of
counsel
was
from
so
I
understand
about
keep
going
from
two
21
days?
But
why
going
from
why
move
I
know,
councillor
Cara,
Janice
and
I.
Have
opinions
is
why
Council
made
that
decision,
but
was
there
anything
articulated
in
the
debate
that
you
recall
as
to
why
they
changed
twenty
five
point?
Yes,.
C
Through
you,
mr.
chair
I,
actually
do
recall
that
it
was
our
unfortunately
recently
departed,
councillor
Moser
when
who
was
a
member
of
this
committee
that
I
believe
raised
that
issue
of
the
number
of
days
concern
around
the
proliferation,
the
proliferation
of
signs
period
and
the
impact
that
has
on
the
community
character
and
just
signage
period.
That's
the
issue
of
signs
has
a
very
pro
and
con
feeling
for
people.
Some
people
feel
signs
should
be
open,
open
season
and
others
feel
they
should
be
significantly
restricted.
C
So
I
recall
there
was
that
blend
of
of
how
many
are
out
there
and
there's
also
from
a
practicality
standpoint,
a
significant
drain
on
on
the
mls
resources,
honestly
for
the
length
of
time
that
we
have
to
deal
with
sign
issues
and
having
experienced
it
in
2014
the
first
morning,
the
first
ten
minutes
I
had
a
phone
call
about
an
issue
related
to
election
signs
and
I,
so
I
actually
lived
through
it.
So
you
know
I
think
there
was
some
consideration
around
the
amount
of
resources
that
are
expended
to
deal
with
improper
placement.
C
G
I'll,
just
I'll
just
sort
of
follow
up
on
that
point
that
that
that
is
the
important
consideration
when
adopting
restrictions
to
the
signs,
not
just
the
time
period,
but
all
restrictions
to
signs
these
ones.
Of
course,
our
democratic
discourse,
the
most
fundamental
aspect
of
free
speech
council,
should
be
very,
very
comfortable
with
the
decisions
it
makes
and
the
rationale
for
making
them.
H
C
So
through
you,
mr.
chair
they're,
certainly
the
impetus
or
the
the
issues
and
I
identified
in
each
of
those
communications.
The
Auditor
General
was
from
2007.
The
Ombudsman
was
2011,
both
primarily
focused
on
the
process
and
the
appropriateness
of
the
fee
waiver
that
it
was
found.
In
most
cases,
the
waiver
language
was
simply
that
which
was
adopted.
The
waiver
was
signed
as
of
right
or
at
just
as
it
was,
and
both
of
those
independent
offices
felt
that
there
was
there
were.
It
was
not
a
great
process
to
have.
H
H
H
C
Yeah
we'd
have
to
look
at
yeah
I,
think
that
would
be
fine.
The
provisions
say
one
sign
face
and
whether
it's
a
continuous
sign
face
I
think
we
would
seek
some
consistency
with
the
way
the
sign
bylaw
694
applies
sign
faces
if
it
does
so
I'll
take
that
away.
I
believe
it
will
be
fine,
but
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
that.
I.
H
C
One
yes,
certainly
so,
a
to
you.
Mr.
chair,
when
we
drafted
in
the
interest
of
simplicity,
we
were
seeking
to
minimize
the
amount
of
requirements
there
were
around
the
placement.
One
of
those
changes
we
had
proposed
in
the
report
mentioned
the
not
requiring
the
private
property
permission
for
a
budding
property,
abutting
public
property
and
when
your
office
called
and
raised
that
we
recognized,
especially
since
we're
trying
to
get
away
from
that
delineation
between
public
and
private
and
the
responsibility.
C
Quite
frankly,
we
put
on
private
property
owners
to
maintain
the
public
property
that
we
ought
to
ensure
that
the
consent
of
the
private
property
owner
that
abuts
the
public
property
is
obtained.
That
was
a
unintended
consequence
of
our
intention
to
remove
it
so
having
it
remained
in
place:
the
consent
of
a
private
property
owner
for
the
placement
of
a
sign
that
abuts
public
property.
We
want
to
maintain
so
we're
asking
for
that
amendment
to
make
sure
that
that's
19
so.
H
C
Not
permitted
so
until
they
are
permitted
you,
so
the
side
by
law
gives
us
the
authority
to
seize
them.
We,
at
least
in
2014.
That
has
not
been
the
experience.
Generally.
We
have
found
that
candidates
in
the
elections
adhere
very
well
to
the
timing.
It's
just
the
placement
that
becomes
a
challenge
for
folks,
yeah.
H
Now
getting
off
the
municipal
signs,
because
councillor
Palacio
now
actually
were
questioning
this
when
it
happened.
But
a
few
years
ago,
when
the
provincial
ephedra
lee
federally,
there
was
some
sort
of
campaign
that
was
going
on
was
it
was
it
the
poster
will
I
forget
what
it
was,
but
all
the
kill.
The
MPs
from
one
party
had
signs
that
went
up
like
for
two
years
around
people's
front
lawns
with
their
logo,
with
their
name
and
their
party
opposing
some
and
I
can't
remember
what
it
was
in.
H
C
I
C
I
know
the
discussion
at
that
time
was
around
whether
what
was
being
posted
would
constitute
or
not
an
election
sign.
It's
the
simple
stating
of
their
name,
whether
or
not
it
was
an
election,
so
I'm
trying
to
recall
if
we
actually
resolved
that
or
not.
We
have
not
brought
forward
report
yet
to
deal
with
Civic
party
civic
participation
signs
as
I
mentioned
to
council
burnside
people
are
very
polarized
on
signs,
good
and
bad
I.
Don't
know
if
mr.
Lynch
can
recall
where
we
landed
because.
H
G
A
A
The
questions
of
a
follow-up
to
cancer
answers
questions
with
regards
to
here
amendment
two-
and
this
has
to
do
with
any
science
erected
on
public
property-
must
have
the
consent
of
the
owner
on
the
about
appropriate.
Now.
My
question
to
you
is
especially
within
the
urban
environment
within
the
city.
Most
of
the
signs
election
signs
data
plays
are
placed
within
city,
proper
public
property
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
in
terms
of
the
legality
aspect.
A
How
do
we
obtain
the
permission
from
the
abutting
property
owner
when
this
most
of
the
signs
are
placed
within
then
public
property?
So
that's
mainly
in
the
form
of
City
of
York
Toronto
is
a
deeper
settings,
carbon
or
no,
your
what
you
have
huge
boulevards
and
so
on
so
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
that's
going
to
apply
in
terms.
If
anyone
wants
to
challenge
that
once
this
bylaw
is
passing
the
mainland,
there
could
be
a
problem
from
that
perspective
as
well.
So.
C
C
Yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
so
we
had.
We
had
proposed
in
the
report
to
eliminate
the
requirement
for
that
permission,
but
in
recognizing
that
this
could
cause
significant
issues,
especially
in
the
urban
environment,
small
properties.
So
this
is
simply
that
motion
is
to
keep
what
the
existing
requirement
is,
which
is
requiring
consent
of
the
private
property
owner.
So
someone
can't
come
along
and
put
a
sign
on
the
public
property
in
front
of
your
house
unless
you've
given
permission,
that
was
not
our
intention,
but
that
was
the
unintended
consequence
if
we
removed
that
requirement.
Thank
you
along.
A
Now,
most
of
the
signs
that
are
placed
our
place
with
already
is
said
by
a
cop,
perhaps
couple
meters
or
whatever,
so
you
want
Ostrow,
abstract
and
the
sidelines
for
pedestrians
or
whoever
so
I'm,
not
sure
they
said
back
that
you're
proposing
there
how
that's
going
to
bring
anything
into
compliance
cause
as
I
said
that
irrespectively.
Oh,
if
it's
a
municipal
prevention
of
interrelations,
all
those
signs
every
time
a
place
out
in
the
minke
corners.
C
Yeah
so
mr.
chair
that
15-plus
you
that
15
meters
of
an
intersection
or
protection
cross
over
is
the
existing
restriction.
So
that
is
not
a
change.
We
are
maintaining
that
to
ensure
our
sight
lines
as
councillor
de
barriers
to
ensure
that
intersection
across
relation
crossover
sight
lines
are
not
obstructed
so
that
15
metres
is
already
what
has
been
my.
A
Question
to
you
is
actually
damning
work
in
Scarborough
with,
but
it
may
not
work,
for
example
in
my
area
that
if
I
was
to
observe
the
50
May
at
the
15
meter
setback
from
the
intersection
that
we
goodbye
to
all
the
key
locations
in
all
the
corners
and
that
and
that
the
actually,
that
item
was
brought
at
City
Council
and
most
Americans
felt
very
strong
about
that.
Yeah.
C
A
A
Shouldn't
that
be
clarifying
in
terms
of
the
definition
that
we
are
talking
about
major
arteries
or
highways,
where
that
setback
is
required,
but
where
you
have
high
rolls
or
minor
streets
like
with
a
cul-de-sac
that
cannot
staff
I
find
extremely
difficult.
Even
within
the
parking
regulations,
the
parking
regulations,
setback
is
9
meters,
so
I
don't
know
how
these
can
be
applied.
So.
C
This
is
for
placement
on
the
public
side,
not
the
private
side,
so
a
private
property
and
I'm
gonna.
Look
to
mark
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
a
private
property.
That's
within
15
meters
of
intersection
can
have
a
sign.
You
just
have
to
ensure
you're,
not
obstructing
sight
lines.
It's
15
meters
on
the
public
property
is.
A
I
think
that's
I'm
running
out
of
time,
but
you
know
likey
question
on.
That
is
if
we
were
to
look
I
want
property.
For
example.
Let
me
just
share
with
you
one
of
the
main
streets,
diapering
street
or
Devonport,
that
you
are
very
familiar
with
we're.
The
front
yards
are
very
small
where,
by
definition,
it's
actually
very
difficult
to
find
the
property
line.
It
can
be
the
property
line,
maybe
one
meter
from
the
sidewalk
or
it
can
be-
maybe
half
a
meter
or
two
meters.
A
C
So
to
you,
mr.
chair,
actually
you
just
very
well
articulated
why
we
are
trying
to
blur
the
line
on
placement
between
public
and
private
as
it
relates
to
proximity
to
the
highway,
the
1.5
meters
from
the
curb
edge
or
pavement
edge,
the
0.6
meters
from
a
sidewalk.
That's
that's!
Why
we're
trying
to
address
some
of
that?
The
15
meters
from
the
intersection
as
it
relates
to
this
you
know
we
can
have
some
further
discussion,
maybe
with
you
and
look
at
the
specific
scenarios,
you're
referencing
and
ensure
you
know
how
this
meets.
C
A
F
You
chair
through
you
to
staff
I'm,
going
to
go
back
to
the
corner
office
that
you
were
the
councillor
Nancy
as
I
was
mentioning.
So
you
got
a
corner
office
and
it
has
two
sides
in
a
in
in
an
intersection.
This
is
the
display
signage
put
on
it
has
might
have
liked
to
sign.
You
know
like
to
sign
cases,
and
so,
if
you're
saying
only
one
side
does
not
allow
you
to
put
on
the
other
side,
so
I
guess
what
you
can
do
is
just
think.
C
So
to
you,
mr.
chair
I,
think
that
was
that's
a
unique
situation
that
we
will
look
at
how
this
provision
applies,
and
it
may
not
be
necessary
to
make
specific
exemptions
about
where
someone
has
taken
over
an
office
where
the
sign
art
existed.
I
see
that
is,
is
problematic
to
enforce
or
to
define.
So
we
will
come
back
in
advance
of
council
to
ensure
we've
got
a
clear
answer
for
you
on
corner
offices,
campaign
office
signs
now.
F
F
F
C
F
F
C
So
three,
mr.
chair,
we
do
have
so
the
sign
by
law.
Other
than
dealing
with
the
election
signs
specifically
does
deal
with
other
temporary
signs.
So
we
would
look.
We
would
have
to
look
at
this
other,
the
all
the
provisions
in
the
signs
by
law
to
determine
whether
it's
an
appropriate
temporary
sign
as
where
we
govern
mobile
signs,
a-frame
signs
in
the
rest
and
then
we'd
have
to
look
at
whether
what
you
have
posted
falls
into
an
election
sign
issue
and
then
subject
to
this
Clause.
F
Articles
can
you
please
specify
the
wraparound
vehicle
signs,
how
far
away
they
should
be
posted
from
and
from
a
place
where
you
vote,
I
mean
I.
Know
that
you
in
during
the
election,
you
can
put
a
sign
beside
a
school
and
private
property,
but
on
voting
day
you
know
you
can
have
a
van
and
you
can
go
and
park
right
outside
of
school.
How
far
back?
Should
this
these
vehicles
be
patient?
Okay,.
C
Just
your
indulgence
for
a
moment,
mr.
chair,
we
do
have
provisions
regarding
the
proximity
of
election
signs
which
this
would
a
vehicle
wrapped
will
be
considered
an
election
sign,
as
relates
to
the
voting
place.
I'm
just
checking
the
exact
requirements
you
do
have
to
set
adjacent
right.
You
do
have
requirements.
Okay,
it's
just
sorry!
Three,
mr.
chair
we've
not
specified
a
distance,
it
references
adjacent!
C
F
F
C
So
three,
mr.
chair,
certainly
we
allow
that
provision
which
is
consistent
with
which
what
we
have
now
those
days
to
collect
and
if
outside
of
that
period,
certainly
we
will
cease
and
you
could
charge
but
I
think
the
important
the
important
thing
to
note
in
this
is
throughout
is
we
attempt
to
work
with
the
candidates.
However,.
F
C
A
H
C
C
C
F
F
C
A
Other
questions,
if
not
okay,
my
second
I'm
getting
to
my
second
round
Jim
Shella,
the
other
place,
a
follow
up
to
concern
Sierra's
question.
Actually
that
initial
she
asked
during
the
last
few
years,
especially
with
their
provincial,
fair
relations.
There
was
a
tremendous
campaign
with
a
clean
train
coalition
campaign,
and
that
was
with
them.
A
The
color
designs
clearly
identified
the
party
that
they
were
behind
and
that
was
pre-empting
actually
an
issue
that
was
going
to
be
deal
with
during
the
campaign,
so
that
was
one
way
of
effectively
campaigning
for
years.
Is
on
that
item
alone.
So
my
question
to
you
is:
what
kind
of
provisions
do
we
have
to
a
stop
that,
because
I
think
that
that's
very
it
was
a
very
bright
way
of
putting
something
forward.
C
So
through
mister
to
you,
mister,
chair
and
I'll
I'll
also
invite
mr.
Lynch
to
respond
as
as
we
had
referenced
earlier.
My
apologies
if
I
didn't
give
a
clear
answer
that
issue
that
you've
referenced
was
really
at
issue
in
a
discussion
that
we
need
to
have
around
civic
participation
signs
as
a
subject
matter.
Your
point
in
respect
to
government
parties
being
identified.
It
was
determined
in
that
at
that
particular
case
they
did
not
classify
a
electioneering
language
or
election
signs.
C
G
And
to
be
clear,
part
of
that
analysis
is
dependent
upon
the
fact
that
election
signs
regulations
apply
essentially
during
an
election
during
a
campaign.
So
some
signs
that
may
appear
to
be
positional
or
political
in
nature
that
appear
outside
of
an
election
period
are
not
governed
by
the
election
signs
rules.
As
executive
director
has
said,
these
would
be
considered
more
civic
participation
signs,
meaning
that
they
are
signs
that
people
put
up
to
express
political
positions,
not
during
a
political
campaign,
and
that
is
something
Cory.
G
To
be
clear,
that's
that's
the
issue
that
has
been
identified
as
a
consequence
of
these
types
of
signs
and
again,
a
body
of
work
that
needs
to
be
delved
into
the
executive
directors.
Write
to
note
again,
there
are
charter
issues
with
that
type
of
signage
and
that
type
of
expression
and
I
expect
that
a
package
of
regulations
would
be
necessary
to
address
those
signs
in
particular,
and
that's
that's
not
currently
subject
to
this
report.
Thank.
A
G
G
Can
confirm
that
the
amendments,
the
Municipal
Elections
Act,
do
in
fact
require
each
third-party
advertiser
to
register
with
the
city
clerk
before
they
engage
in
third
party
advertising.
They
also
have
a
restriction
on
when
they
can
advertise
to
a
specific
period,
the
starting
in
the
nomination
period
and
as
well
as
spending
limits
and
contribution
limits
as
you'd
find
in
a
candidate
situation
as
well.
The.
A
No
I
understand:
four
candidates
are
bad
for
third
party,
like
as
the
world
leader
pittance
indicated
that
they
don't
have
to
report
the
amount
of
money
where
the
money
comes
from
or
how
the
money
is
going
to
be
spent,
which
was
an
excellent
comment
by
the
deputy
intent.
So
that's
the
information,
that's
extremely
crucial
in
terms
of
having
that
it
will
benefit
incumbents,
but
will
put
new
comers
a
tremendous
disadvantage
and.
G
And
I
will
confirm
again
that
the
municipal
elections
act
amendments
in
provisions
to
require
compliance
auditing
functions
similar
to
a
candidate
for
third-party
advertisers.
So
there
are
similar
processes
conceived
of
in
these
amendments
for
those
third-party
advertisers
in
regard
to
their
contribution
spending
and
activities
from
a
financial
perspective.
My.
G
If
I,
if
I
understand
what
you're
getting
at
like
I,
believe
that
they
any
amendments
are
clear
that
those
sort
of
contributions
would
be
contributions
regulated
under
those
spending
caps
and
contribution
limit.
That's
not
in
the
report,
though,
that's
correct.
These
are
amendments
provincially,
so
they're
they
exist
and
when
they
come
in
force
will
exist
due
to
the
provincial
regulations.
A
C
F
C
You
mr.
chair
I,
think
that
is
the
purpose
of
this
process.
Councillor
Kerry
Janice
is
to
present
what
we,
what
we
feel
will
be
appropriate
to
admit
to
mitigate
the
current
administrative
burden
of
the
current
process,
to
give
effect
to
some
of
the
requests
we
had
previously
in
2014.
We
had
hoped
to
have
brought
this
report
previously.
Unfortunately,
other
matters
held
it
back.
I
I
believe
that
this
would
be
the
most
appropriate
venue
at
this
committee,
where
we
do
have
a
gentleman
here.
Who's
come
forward.
C
F
Threw
through
you
to
staff
I
beg
to
differ,
and
you
know
it's
my
opinion,
but
I
think
that
if
we
are
to
move
forward,
I
think
that
we,
you
need
to
reach
out
to
current
federal,
MPs
provincial
mpps
people
that
ran
before
and
I
need.
You
happy
I
think
you
need
to
have
a
robust
conversation.
What's
question
the
only
thing.
F
A
question
in
there
because
the
only
thing
the
only
thing
that
I
kept
hearing
was
a
federal
Member
of
Parliament
was
screaming
and
cursing
about
the
provincial.
The
municipal
legislation
signs.
So
I
think
that
you
might
want
to
sort
of
think
about
the
possibility
that
we
put
this
off
until
September
and
you
take
the
summer
to
consult
I.
F
A
B
C
You,
mr.
chair,
we
have
consulted
with
representatives
for
the
various
groups
you've
referenced.
We
do
have
the
benefit
of
having
yourself
having
previously
served
in
the
federal
realm
in
this
discussion.
So
I
feel
very
confident
that
that
all
interests
are
being
represented
and
I
can
share
that.
We
have
found
that
the
provincial
and
federal
elections
have
not
posed
sign
issues,
so
the
current
regime-
they're
fine
with
the
proposed
regime,
really
simplifies
and
creates
a
little
bit
more
clarity.
C
A
C
C
If
someone
would
like
to
contact
us
and
have
a
discussion
about
their
concerns,
they
were
more
than
open
to
do
so
during
this
time,
as
well
as
in
2014,
and
certainly
as
this
advances,
hopefully
from
this
committee
to
Council,
there's
the
opportunity
for
the
input
directly
to
you,
so
our
door
is
always
open.
Thank.
A
E
Please
go
ahead,
thank
you,
and
this
is
going
on,
while
so
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
I
do
have
a
motion.
I
share
mr.
Persky.
First
he's
them
concern
about
the
incumbent
advantage.
Although
I
wish
I
had
the
opportunity
to
ask
him
the
question:
what
happens
if
an
incumbent
affiliates
himself
or
herself
with
the
party
that
would
just
further
strengthen
the
incumbents
advantage,
I
wish
I
had
that
opportunity,
I
didn't
in
any
event,
life
will
go
on
so
I
want
to
maintain
I'd
like
to
maintain
that
25
days.
F
A
H
Yes,
I
will
not
be
supporting
counselor
Burnside
motion.
We
went
to
this
debate
how
many
years
a
counselor
to
bear
mayor,
Kelly's
people
that
were
there
hours
and
hours
and
hours
there
was
even
debate
about
even
getting
rid
of
signs
at
one
point
because
of
the
proliferation
and
the
garbage
I'm
speaking
I
don't
have
a
question
no
I'm
speaking
so
I
just
want
to
move
my
amendment
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
That
Tracy
mentioned
just
put
it
on
the
screen.
H
So
so,
basically,
that's
that's
what
I'm
moving
and
it
was
clarified
by
Tracy
and
then,
as
I
meant
as
the
question
about
the
campaign
office
sign.
Maybe
you
can
report
back
on
that
just
just
in
case.
You
know
just
so
there's
clarification
on
that
if
that,
ever,
if
it
comes
up
in
in
the
next
election,
so
you
know
it
could
be
answered
so
basically,
that's
it.
I,
don't
have
anything
else
to
say
thank.
A
F
The
chair
to
the
speaker,
in
a
lot
of
in
a
lot
of
communities
immunised
a
former
municipalities,
the
the
owner,
goes
right
up
to
you
know,
there's
no
sidewalk,
so
the
the
public
property
is
36
feet
from
the
middle
of
the
road.
So
when
you
put
up
a
sign,
I
take
it.
You
also
mean
that
the
abutting
property
is
the
closer
to
like
them
until
they
were
at
the
edge
of
the
road
it.
This
is
something
that
you
this.
It
tends
to
to
address.
H
G
A
B
You,
yes,
you're
sure
I'll
be
sporting.
The
staff
recommendations
and
I
won't
support.
Extending
the
sign
time.
My
preference,
given
that
it's
2017
or
gonna
have
an
election
in
2018
is
not
to
have
signs
at
all
I'm.
An
environmentalist
I
would
expect
the
Green
Party
of
all
people.
It's
come
here,
no
I'm
an
independent
locally
but
I'm
a
well-known
environmentalist.
What
a
waste
of
resources
and
money
election
signs
are
you
all
of
us
feel
I,
don't
want
signs
and
some
people
send
me,
will
Glen
you're
an
environmentalist?
B
Are
you
going
to
practice
what
you
preach
and
not
have
signs
and
I've
said
you
know
what
I'd
like
to
have
no
signs,
but
unfortunately
I'm
forced
to
have
signs,
because
all
of
my
competitors
and
all
the
mayoral
candidates
and
all
of
the
other
candidates
have
signs.
So
if
you
don't
put
up
signs
or
your
I
feel
compelled,
because
if
I
don't
put
up
signs,
people
think
oh
you're
not
doing
anything
and
you're,
not
canvassing
I
see
this
guy
signs
all
over
the
place.
B
It
irks
me
as
an
environmentalist
that
all
of
us
spend
collectively
across
the
city,
probably
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars,
creating
plastic
using
finite
resources
and
creating
greenhouse
gases
to
put
up
signs
for
a
month
using
inks
that
are
probably
not
very
good
for
anybody,
putting
them
up
for
25
or
30
days
and
then
throwing
them
in
the
garbage.
We
couldn't
even
recycle
them
until
the
last
election.
B
So
I
I
have
found
that
the
signs
are
an
addict
weighted
way,
maybe
back
when
we
all
had
horses
and
buggies,
and
there
was
no
such
thing
as
the
Telegraph
or
the
radio
or
the
TV
of
the
internet.
Maybe
maybe
back
then.
When
you
know
the
fur
trappers
would
come
up
and
down
the
the
Humber
River
in
the
Don
River.
Maybe
when
the
fur
trappers
were
here,
we
needed
signs
to
let
our
residents
know
that
there
is
actually
an
election
going
on.
But
we
have
this
thing
nowadays
called
TV.
B
You
can't
go
to
the
dentist
office
or
to
the
Canadian
Tire
or
to
an
auto
place
without
seeing
a
screen
on
the
corner,
with
a
news
broadcast
running
24
hours
a
day.
There's
this
thing
called
a
flyer:
we
go
to
printers
and
we
print
them
out
and
distribute
them
so
I
have
never
liked
signs.
I
don't
want
signs.
I
would
personally
eliminate
signs,
but
I've
heard
the
arguments
about
freedom
of
expression
and
the
ability
of
people
to
to
have
an
awareness
and
quote
educate
people.
So
I'll
accept
the
staff
recommendations.
B
I
see
them
as
an
incremental
change
to
an
existing
election
signed
by
law.
That
overall
worked
pretty
good
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we've
taken
out
some
of
the
administrative
measures
that
were
really
cumbersome
and
awkward
didn't
work
very
well,
and
all
of
us
have
been
in
the
situation.
I've
been
in
it
myself,
where
we
actually
argue
with
the
MLS
staff,
because
we
know
we
put
up
a
sign
properly
and
yet
they'll
say:
oh,
no!
B
No,
that
wasn't
and
when
we
go
back
out
to
the
location
with
the
inspector
the
inspector
goes:
oops
I'm
an
inspector
and
I
made
a
mistake.
You're
right
this
is
private
property.
I
thought
it
was
City
property.
So
we
took
down
your
sign,
so
I
hate
wasting
my
time
during
election
campaign
having
to
correct
some
of
our
municipal
standards
officers
telling
them
that
they've
made
a
mistake.
B
It's
just
a
silly
dance
that
everybody
does
to
have
the
affidavit
that
everybody
knew
was
just
a
license
to
waive
all
of
your
fees.
So
we
have
this
in
theory,
penalty
system,
if
you,
if
you
disobey
the
law,
people
knowingly
and
willfully
disobeyed,
the
law
and
voilá
came
up
with
a
candidate
saying
I
didn't
know
that
my
sign
crew
that
put
up
a
thousand
signs
was
doing
them
all
incorrectly.
Really
you
didn't
know
that.
B
No
because
I
have
an
affidavit
that
says
so
so
I'm
glad
our
staff
have
had
the
experience
and
the
maturity
to
say.
You
know
what
the
the
sign
deposit
for
the
sake
of
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
this
a
fountain
Snite
mare
of
counting
every
single
sign
at
every
single
location
that
may
have
come
down
and
calculating
how
many
days
it's
been
in
storage
and
calculating
that
plus
the
interest
and
not
allowing
you
to
use
visa
I'm
glad
the
staff
have
put
in
this
report.
B
Let's
get
rid
of
a
system
that
wasn't
really
functional
letter
staff
do
more
important
things
and
that's
why
I'm
going
to
sport
their
recommendation
to
go
to
21
days,
because
it
is
a
huge
volume
of
time
going
after
election
signs.
I'd
rather
have
my
inspectors
in
apartment
buildings
going
after
cockroaches
and
mice
and
other
vermin
I'd,
rather
have
them
going
out
to
Auto
Body
places
that
have
illegal
cars,
parked
all
over
the
boulevard
and
Auto
Parts
thrown
all
over
the
place,
as
opposed
to
them
saying.
A
B
F
F
As
my
my
colleague
to
my
left,
councillor
Barry
says
you
probably
would
not
have
been
able
to
succeed.
I
think
I
think
it
is.
I
think
Burnside
is
on
your
side.
That
was
a
good
one.
I
think
that
it's
in
its
appropriate
it's
appropriate
to
M,
please
it's
appropriate
that
we
allow
people
that
want
to
challenge
us
to
put
up
signs.
I
think
that
they
need
the
extra
time
in
order
for
their
names
to
be
put
out
there.
I,
don't
think
that
we
should
not
allow
them
to
challenge
us.
I.
F
Don't
think
that
anybody
here,
if
we're,
if
we're
scared
to
be
challenged,
then
guess
what
don't
run
next
time
around
I
think
that
the
incumbents
should
allow
people
to
have
a
robust
conversation,
a
robust
challenge
in
order
for
us
for
them
to
to
be
held
accountable
and
to
people
distribute
literature.
A
lot
of
people
sometimes
don't
pay
attention
to
the
literature.
The
signs
do
speak,
they
don't
vote,
but
they
do
speak.
They
bring
the
name
of
the
person
that
needs
to
challenge
you
forward.
F
F
Why
summarise
probably
why
the
person
that
was
sitting
in
this
committee
before
the
late
Moser
did
not
want
to
be
challenged,
because
he
usually
went
the
very
last
day
to
put
his
name
up
and
past
the
election
results
show
that
he
was
so
able
just
to
squeak
by
the
election.
God
bless
him
and
rest
his
soul
and
my
condolences
his
family,
but,
however
I
would
say
to
you,
let's
be
brave:
let's
not
be
scared,
people
that
want
to
challenge
us.
Let
them
put
their
names
out
there.
F
Let
them
be
visible
and
let
our
Constituent
decide
if
they
think
that
we're
doing
a
good
job,
they
will
return
us
if
they
don't
think
we're
doing
a
good
job.
They
will
throw
us
out
21
days
30
days.
It
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
difference
to
the
incumbents,
but
it
makes
a
hell
of
a
lot
of
difference
to
people
that
want
to
challenge
us.
D
D
You
know
we've
been
through
this
debate
before
one
can
make
all
sorts
of
arguments
the
number
of
days
for
allowing
signs
to
be
posted,
or
at
least
to
to
be
used
as
advertising
for
all
potential
candidates
is
an
arbitrary
number,
no
question
about
it.
Now.
The
underlying
issue
that's
been
raised
by
it
by
someone
that
wants
to
extend
the
number
of
days
is
that
for
some
reason,
it'll
give
the
opportunity
to
someone
who's
challenging
an
incumbent,
greater
opportunity
to
unseat
an
incumbent.
D
The
reality
is
is
that
if
an
incumbent
has
been
doing
a
good
job,
those
people
that
believe
he's
doing
or
she
is
doing
a
good
job-
are
going
to
vote
for
that
incumbent,
no
question
whatsoever.
You
can
extend
it
to
60
days.
Pardon
me,
it's
not
God
doesn't
do
well
being
scared.
What
what
it's
got
to
do
with
maybe
you're
under
your
motion
account
sorry
Janice.
D
A
The
first
motion
is
a
technical
amendment,
data
being
asked
by
city
staff
to
move
that
one
is,
and
the
second
one
is
for
the
city
solicitor
to
report
directly
to
cancel
on
positive
and
negative
impacts
on
the
implementation
of
the
third
party
advertising
amendments
and,
through
my
questions
and
I,
and
the
city
solid
indicated
that
he'll
be
willing
to
do
that.
Of
course,
now,
first
I
want
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
the
report.
I
think
this
is
a
very
mindful
thoughtful
recommendations
that
we
have
and
also
represent
a.
A
A
There
are
excellent
administrative
recommendations
that
brings
so
much
value
to
add
to
concern
on
Sierra's
point
in
concert.
Georgia.
This
item
was
debated
to
death
at
City
Council
back
in
2014,
and
the
only
reason
that
was
not
approved
what
the
recommendations
that
most
of
it
you
have
it
here,
including
the
21
day.
It
was
that
cancer
motion
that
by
then,
and
he
wanted
implementation
of
it,
and
there
was
a
tremendous
appetite
at
City
Council
to
embrace
that.
A
But
the
reason
why
silicon
so
couldn't
do
that
is
because
there
was
not
public
knowledge
given
to
the
public.
So
we
had
no
city
council
through
them
through.
The
chair
is
refer
this
item
back
to
this
committee
and
that's
what
we're
here
with
this
report
in
subsequently
with
regards
to
the
third
party
now
to
the
third
party
aspect
personally,
have
serious
concerns
with
them
and
with
and
I
would
like
to
probably
I
will
be
called
inside,
am
at
City
Council
to
it
would
discussion
in
a
good
debate
on
that
aspect
of
the
recommendations.
A
Think
in
the
absence
of
clear
rules
there
that
that's
something
that's
clear,
concise,
totally
unambiguous,
where
people
have
to
register
is
on
time
where
city
will
have
an
opportunity
to
check
who
these
people
are
and
I
think
that
otherwise
we'll
be
doing
a
tremendous
disservice
to
those
who
are
trying
to
challenge
the
incumbents
with
incumbents.
We
have
the
upper
hand
on
this
one
because
I
think
the
name
recognition
speaks
by
itself
in
terms
of,
for
example,
that
vehicles
and
trailers,
having
carrying
your
name
so
on.
The
question
is:
who
is
going
to
pay
for
it?
A
What
kind
of
system
to
have
in
place
for
accounting?
For
that?
It
will
be
very
easy.
For
example,
in
my
area,
I
have
20
ports.
How
easy
will
be
for
me
to
engage
and
I'm
saying,
hypothetically
speaking,
engage
one
trailer
per
poll
just
to
drive
around
and
around
and
around
what
a
way
of
promoting
yourself
without
a
clear
definition
in
terms
of
who
is
behind
that
that
will
create
something
that
a
disadvantage
to
those
who
want
perhaps
to
win
a
transit.
A
The
incumbent
so
I
have
some
concerns
with
regards
to
that,
and
hopefully
we
can
have
a
good
conversation
at
City,
Council
or
Sun.
It
changes
that,
through
the
report
that
comes
from
the
legal
department,
City
Council
just
to
address
some
of
those
concerns
just
to
type
up
a
bit
more.
The
definitions
also,
they
are
quite
clear.
Apart
from
that,
I
think
that
we
regard
to
the
motions
that
we
have.
I
am
NOT
going
to
support
I'm
going
to
purchase
the
recommendations
from
a
staff.
I
want
support,
except
concerning
Sierra's
motion.
Thank
you.
A
A
G
A
And
the
next
one
is
from
from
the
chair
and
that's
those
are
the
technical
amendments,
all
those
in
favor
against
carry
on
the
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
recording
on
the
item
consume
Sierra
cans,
Georgia,
Palacio
and
Castle
Deborah
make
against
and
carry
Johnny's
and
cancer
Burnside's.
It
carries.
A
A
H
I
I'm
through
mr.
chair,
but
that
is
correct-
they
are,
they
are
given
notice.
In
fact,
what
we
do
is
we
do
a
roadshow
in
the
four
districts
to
meet
with
with
community
groups
and
artists,
we
advertise
it
on
a
Kimbo
through
our
own
websites,
so
we-
and
we
had
to
at
least
250
people,
attend
a
group
of
that
group
of
sessions
that
we
held
this
year.
Okay,.
F
I
Through
you,
mr.
chair,
we
have
done
that
on
some
projects
in
the
past,
we've
also
we've
also
put
section
37
funding
toward
underpass
toward
the
underpass
program
to
the
outside-the-box
program.
So
certainly,
if
you
have
section
37
dollars
that
are
available,
we're
happy
to
work
with
you
to
find
a
direction
vector
those
to
create
reshape.
Thank
you.
A
I
A
I
Mr.
chair,
we
have
up
to
2016.
We
calculate
that
at
least
street
art
Toronto
has
from
2012
to
2016,
and
certainly
there
have
been
other
murals
created
through
BIA
programs
and
through
individuals
on
their
own
or
community
groups.
We've
created
365
installations
and
of
that
number,
a
hundred
and
three
of
them
have
been
through
the
program.
The
partnership
program,
the
program,
the
grant
program.
That's
in
front
of
you
today,
our
startup
program,
which
is
our
underpass
program.
We've
created
15
our
police
program
56
and
the
outside-the-box
program,
which
paints
traffic
signal
boxes,
191,
fantastic.
I
I
A
I
have
a
few
questions
and
I
am
running
out
of
time
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
artwork.
A
tremendous
amount
of
our
work
has
been
created
on
walls,
fences,
underpasses,
utility
boxes,
and
you
name
it
and
is
so.
My
question
is
now
in
terms
of
street
murals
on
the
road
within
the
the
pilot
project
that
was
approved
by
the
Works
Committee
as
well
by
City
Council.
It
can
you,
how
do
you
consider
that
kind
of
word
in
relation
to
the
other
art
that
we're
taking
so
much
pride.
I
A
I
F
F
Thank
You
counselors
a
individual
was
shot
while
sitting
in
and
we're
trying
to
get
the
community
together.
This
is
the
chest
early
community,
which
is
a
tch
community.
We
were
trying
to
get
them
together
in
order
to
to
be
able
to
speak
to
what
happened
and
to
and
to
address
the
issues
that
are
happening
there,
and
we
also
had
another
shooting
just
recently
so
I
want
to
thank
the
staff
work
for
working
with
them.
The
community,
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
put
that
mural
up.
A
Think
gossler
Janice
Wilson
any
other
speakers
welcome
cancer.
Fletcher
I
have
a
motion
to
move
that
you
can
splay
that
that
a
City
Council
extend
the
street
art,
rent
or
Rome.
You
know
have
a
project
for
up
to
four
mid-block
Street
murals
on
low
volume,
local
streets
during
Street
events,
which
include
parameter
world
closures
in
2017
in
such
material
consonants,
the
honorarium
to
be
covered
through
the
history
interpret.
This
is
something
that
was
implemented
by
cancer
last
year
and
as
when
I
asked
city
staff
in
terms
of
the
level
of
success.
A
It
has
been
a
tremendous
success.
This
part
of
the
street
art
where
the
level
of
engagement
within
communities,
especially
when
you
have
an
a
street
festival
out
there
and
you
in
the
streets
close.
You
have
kids
families,
it's
a
real
civic
engagement
in
terms
of
bringing
the
best
of
the
best
that
you
can
have
in
the
street
and
creating
something
beautiful,
so
I
think
that
is
a
nun
delighted
and
very
proud
that
that
we
have
play
all
of
us
and
on
that
cancer
pleasure
and
for
playing
a
key
role
in
the
street
art
program.
A
That's
been
the
key
in
one
of
the
main
components
in
the
graffiti
management
program
that
was
a
provide
City
Council
the
street.
Our
program
aims,
as
we
all
know,
not
only
to
develop,
supports
and
promote,
but
increase.
The
level
of
awareness
of
a
street
art
is,
as
it
is
known
and
now
and
and
also
plays
a
key
character
in
terms
of
beautifying.
Our
neighborhoods
is
in
that,
when
it
comes
to
promote,
create
a
creativity
in
cultural
vibrancy,
I
think
that
we
should
they
be
extremely
proud
of
what's
happening
throughout
Co
Toronto.
A
The
point
is
not
only
the
graffiti
monitoring
plan,
but
also
they
to
embrace
the
arts
community
in
such
a
way
that
what's
happening
now
we
are
creating
a
prototype
that
one
can
be
extremely
proud,
and
this
has
been
seen
throughout
the
world.
So
it's
something
well
done:
I'm,
extremely
thankful
to
city
staff
for
what's
happening,
I'm
very
thankful
to
members
of
council
for
embracing
with
so
much
passion
this
all
these
artistic
expressions
that
having
expressed
throughout
the
years
and
for
embracing
there's
community
more
than
anything
else.
A
So
that
recommendation
will
complement
something
that
is
dear
to
people
out
there
they're
asking
for
it,
and
this
is
something
that
hopefully
that
next
year
we'll
be
able
to
look
at
it
and
say
what
a
beautiful
thing
that
we
did.
So
having
said
that
thanks
so
much,
and
hopefully
that
will
have
a
unit
unanimous
vote
on
this
one.
A
A
Thank
you.
So
we
have
that
motion
there
and
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
recorded
vote
on
this
one.
All
those
in
favor
yeah
is
deputy
mayor
Glen
development,
Vice,
Chair,
Kerry,
Chinese
Palacio
is
canceled
the
Georgia
from
Georgia
and
canceled
anunciar
thanks.
So
much
well
done
to
adopt
the
recommendations
as
amended
without
recommendation
all
those
in
favor
against
Kerry.
Thanks
so
much
a
motion
to
adjourn
thanks
so
much
everyone.