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Licensing and Standards Committee, meeting 24, April 10, 2018 - Part 1 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=13039
Part 2 pf 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XdhUdp46Q4#t=9m58s
Meeting Navigation:
0:15:34 - Call to order
1:40:36 - Meeting resume
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E
Good
morning,
everyone
can
I
have
a
bit
of
quiet.
Please,
what's
my
thing:
where's
the
government
good
morning,
everyone
we
do
have
quorum.
I
will
call
this
meeting
to
order
good
morning
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
24th
meaning
of
their
licensing
standards.
Committee
as
chair
of
the
committee
I
would
like
to
extend
a
warm
welcome
to
members
of
the
public
and
those
watching
the
proceedings
online
on
TV.
As
usual,
I
would
like
to
remind
everyone
that
you
can
find
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
Apolo
the
meeting
in
real
time
at
www.cronkitenewsonline.com.
E
The
traditional
territory
of
the
Mississauga's
of
the
nuclear
nations
and
the
code
of
ishani
and
the
huron
one
that
incomes
for
the
many
diverse
indigenous
people
conflicts
of
interest.
Is
there
any
copper
tuning
trace
under
the
municipal
code
club
in
result
committee?
If
not
not
no
knowledge
now
can
I
have
a
motion
to
confirm
the
minutes.
F
Thank
You.
Mr.
chairman,
as
you
mentioned,
light
of
the
number
of
speakers
we
have
on
the
items,
I
have
two
motions
that
I
would
like
to
move
that
speakers
who
have
not
pre-registered
be
allowed
to
register
to
speak
until
10:30
a.m.
on
April
10
2018,
after
which
no
further
registration
is
allowed
and
the
speaker's
list
will
be
closed
and
that
the
length
of
public
presentations
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
And
my
second
motion
is
that
questions.
F
The
staff
remembers
account
so
including
committee
members
take
place
after
the
public
deputations
be
three
minutes
in
total
and
that
questions
of
speakers
by
members
of
council,
including
committee
members,
be
limited
to
three
minutes
and
that
speaking
times
for
all
members
of
council,
including
committee
members,
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
Thank.
E
G
Think
you
give
me
I,
speak
to
the
item,
please
the
appropriate
time
great
desk
mr.
chair
mr.
chair
I'll,
certainly
support
motion
number
one
because
it
allows
members
of
the
public
to
come
and
speak
to
us.
I
won't
be
supporting
number
two
of
the
other
motions
that
limit
both
the
publican
and
us
as
members
of
counsels
to
three
minutes.
G
G
I,
don't
think
we
should
say
at
the
last
minute
we
advertise
that
you
can
come
and
speak
to
us
for
five
minutes,
but
now
that
you're
here
we're
gonna
chop
your
presentation
time,
almost
in
half,
so
I
haven't
voted
for
limiting
speakers
in
my
first
14
years
as
being
a
city,
councilor
and
I
won't
do
it
today,
so
I
would
I
would
urge
members
that
I
know
it's
a
longer
list.
I!
Don't
know
if
everyone's
gonna
speak
take
five
minutes
to
speak,
but
I
think
we're
here
to
get
in
to
dig
down
into
the
details.
G
B
Thank
You,
chair,
I,
think
I'm
gonna
echo
what
my
colleague
said
it
is
important
to
hear,
but
one
of
the
things
we
can
ask
the
presenters
is
that
because
of
the
time
and
everything
else,
if
we
can
ask
them
not
to
be
repetitive
and
try
to
keep
their
time
shirt
I
think
they
will
be
able
to
police
themselves
in
order
to
do
that,
and
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
three
minutes.
That's.
C
Chairman
I
certainly
agree
with
some
of
the
sentiments
expressed
by
my
colleagues,
but
the
reality
is
that
a
lot
of
the
reports
before
us
today
focus
on
additional
research
having
to
be
done.
There
are
no
real
concrete
recommendations
before
us
and
I.
Don't
believe
that
the
comments
being
made
by
the
deputies
will
be
with
respect
to
any
particular
recommendations
that
are
before
us,
and
my
gut
feeling
is
that
there
will
be
a
lot
of
duplication,
so
I'm,
supporting
that
the
limit
place
comments
to
three
minutes,
because
no
decisions
are
being
made
today.
C
Essentially,
a
lot
of
the
noise
by
law
is
being
deferred
to
a
future
day
when
more
specific
comments
come
forward.
So
now
withstanding
that
you
have
a
right
to
make
comments.
This
is
probably
the
second
time
we've
dealt
with
this
particular
item
and
we
will
deal
with
it
a
third
time
and
the
third
time
is
probably
the
more
appropriate
time
to
extend
an
opportunity
for
people
to
comment
on
what
is
before
us.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
One
communication
is
from
the
deputy
mayor.
Glen
development,
then,
is
to
introduce
that
we
are
new
business
and
also
there
is
another
communication
from
councillor
Fletcher
that
for
that
communication
to
be
for
us
to
be
able
to
introduce,
procedurally
speaking,
will
have
to
reopen
that
item,
and
that
item
was
deal
with
last
fall.
So
it's
not
one
year
yet
I'll
be
more
than
glad
to
to
move
the
motion
to
reopen
the
item.
E
G
E
G
My
understanding
is
which
I
did,
which
was
circulated
to
all
members
of
the
committee,
so
you
actually
know
what
I'm
asking
is
that
when
somebody
asks
that
an
item
be
either
reopened
or
be
added
to
the
agenda,
there's
a
communication
sent
to
all
of
us,
so
we
actually
know
what
we're
voting
for
you're
asking
me
to
vote
with
my
eyes
closed.
I
have
absolutely
zero
idea.
G
C
Back
in
September,
the
committee
deferred
indefinitely
an
item
on
dogs
and
schoolyards
a
year
has
not
passed
since
then.
In
the
meantime,
councillor
Fletcher
has
submitted
a
communication
asking
licensing
and
standards
to
consider
the
similar
issue
of
dogs
and
schoolyards
dogs
and
schoolyards
councillor
Fletcher
has
asked
I
submitted
a
communication
on
dogs
and
schoolyards.
In
order
for
the
committee
to
consider
that
communication,
it
first
must
reopen
its
decision
that
it
made
in
September
to
de
ferran.
Definitely
the
item
of
dogs
and
schoolyards.
C
As
you
can
see
here,
this
is
what
can
the
chair
is
saying
that
he
is
prepared
to
move
a
procedural
motion
to
reopen
item
LS
22.2
in
order
to
permit
that
to
be
placed
on
the
agenda
and
for
that
item
and
councillor
Fletcher's
communication
to
be
attached
to
that
item
and
to
be
considered
again
by
the
committee.
Mr.
G
C
E
E
C
E
E
E
A
C
E
G
C
G
So
mr.
chair
I
will
not
vote
in
favor
of
this
motion
it
if
it
could
have
been
deferred
first,
so
that
I
don't
know
if
I'm
voting
in
favor
of
something
good
or
if
I'm
voting
against
something.
That's
good,
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
voting
in
favor
of
something
that
we've
dealt
with
and
shouldn't
be
before
us
or
if
I'm
voting
against
that
I
I
have
not
not
a
sentence
before
me.
So
mr.
chair
we've,
we've
we've
gone
through
the
issue.
It
was
very
solid.
What
this
committee
did.
G
We've
done,
some
very
good,
very
good
things.
Councillor
Davis's
requests
I
felt
were
very
inappropriate.
We
voted
them
down,
so
I
really
don't
know
what
I'm
dealing
with
so.
If
councillor
Fletcher
would
want
to
send
individual
letters
so
that
we
all
know
what
we're
actually
talking
about
that
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
But
at
this
point
I
can't
support
reopening
an
issue
with
my
eyes
closed
with
a
zero
information
in
front
of
me.
So
I
will
not
support
this.
E
E
Any
other
speakers
on
that,
but
even
before
we
proceed
with
that,
I
think
that
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
a
good
discussion
with
members
of
council
who
are
interested
in
dilemma,
decided
and
therefore
I'll
be
withdrawing
this
motion
to
allow
members
of
council
to
have
that
discussion,
and
then
probably
we
can
bring
him
forward
to
the
next
committee
meeting.
Are
we
okay
with
that?
E
I
E
This
emotion
to
be
added
as
a
new
business,
and
that
would
be
a
display
and
I
will
stand
down
for
now
and
we'll
deal
with
it
later.
Okay,
so
now
we
have
the
motion
from
Council
from
the
deputy
mayor,
Glen
Deborah
maker,
that
changes
to
the
fireworks
regulations
with
two
recommendations,
and
so
we
have
to
vote
on
this
to
introduce
into
added
easier
to
the
agenda,
all
those
in
favor
against.
G
B
E
E
E
The
next
item
LS
twenty
four
point:
three
interim
regulations
for
pay
day:
long
establishments.
We
have
speakers
that
we
held
number
four.
We
have
that
alternative
dispute
resolutions.
We
have
speakers
theorems
held
and
the
last
one
outdoor
animal
shelter
standards.
We
have
speakers
as
well.
So
all
the
items
are
being
here.
B
G
E
G
Chair
I
think
like
councillor
care
Gianna
saw
I
would
ask
that
we
change
the
order
of
business
after
number,
five
to
deal
with
number
six
and
then
number
four,
because
I
think
those
are
relatively
straightforward
items
with
one
speaker
each
so
that
the
poor
gentleman
mr.
Zimmerman
at
the
end
doesn't
have
to
wait
for
all
55
speakers
to
speak
before
him.
An
animal
services
staff
and
councillor
Layton.
Perhaps.
B
E
G
E
That
we
great
and
also
I'm,
going
to
ask
the
clerk
I
have
a
question
a
very
specific
question
on
these.
The
graffiti
management
plan
in
the
street
art
and
program
has
been
so
successful
and
the
City
of
Toronto
and
I
think
that,
as
a
chair,
I
will,
like
a
city
start
to
make
a
presentation
at
City.
Council
is
what
would
be
the
process
in
terms
of
having
representation
from
city
staff
on
an
item
that
I'll
be
more
than
glad
to
hell
the
item
to
hold
the
item
at
City
Council
for
the
waiting,
perhaps
towards
representation.
E
A
So
I
think
there's
a
good
question
to
ask
about
why
we're
at
this
Committee
discussing
street
art
grants
and
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
in
2011
we
had
a
significant
graffiti
vandalism
problem
in
Toronto
and
no
coordinated
way
to
deal
with
it
and
the
street
art
partnership
program.
That's
in
front
of
you
today
is
one
component
of
our
total
graffiti
management
plan
that
was
developed
at
that
time.
A
C
A
Insuring
as
many
of
the
strategic
actions
for
council
as
possible,
it
is
is
really
intrinsic
to
this
program.
When
council
approved
the
graffiti
management
plan
in
2012,
it
set
out
four
key.
The
key
objectives
and
those
key
objectives
continue
to
govern
the
program
to
these
days.
To
this
day,
the
strict
enforcement
against
graffiti
vandalism,
support
for
victims
of
graffiti
vandalism,
support
for
street
art
and
street
artists
and
improved
coordination
for
graffiti
and
street
art
installations.
A
The
street
art
suite
of
programs
contribute
to
achieving
three
of
the
four
objectives,
with
the
exception
of
strict
enforcement
against
graffiti
vandalism,
which
is
addressed
by
our
colleagues
and
municipal
licensing
and
standards
and
the
Toronto
Police
Services.
Although
our
office
manages
the
citywide
graffiti
removal
contract.
A
It's
a
public-private
grant
program
for
Neuros
start
contributes
up
to
70%
of
the
cost.
Applicants
are
not-for-profit
and
charitable
organizations
be
IAS
and
effective.
This
year,
individual
artists
and
art
artists,
collectives
are
eligible
to
apply.
Applicants
are
required
to
allocate
5
percent
of
their
budget
to
maintain
the
project
for
five
years.
A
A
A
Partnerships
are
integral
to
our
success.
We
work
with
a
number
of
agency
sports
and
commissions,
including
the
Toronto
Police
Service
Dorado
parking
authority,
Toronto
Transit
Commission,
Toronto,
Community
Housing,
our
internal
divisions
and
many
nonprofit
community
organizations
and
local
schools.
A
A
Previous
years,
we've
supported
street
art
murals
using
ceramic
tiles
at
the
Jack
Layton
Ferry
Terminal,
for
example,
and
3d
surfaces
along
the
Union
Pearson
Express
line
in
partnership
with
Metro
links.
More
recently,
Council
approved
a
two-year
pilot
program
for
the
installation
of
Road
murals.
The
pilot
has
now
been
completed
and
will
reporting
to
works
committee
as
it's
at
its
next
meeting
on
May
8th
we've
also
initiated
a
fence
art
program.
A
Art
programs
comes
from
the
outstanding
partnerships
we
have
with
Toronto
residents,
business
owners
and
operators,
community
groups,
BIA
estra,
Toronto,
Police,
Service,
Toronto
parking
for
authority
TTC,
as
well
as
other
city,
divisions,
agencies
and
corporations
and,
of
course,
the
incredibly
talented
artists,
arts,
collectives
and
arts
organizations
in
the
city,
and
in
particular
we
want
to
thank
council
councillor
Palacio
and
acknowledge
his
leadership
in
supporting
the
graffiti
management
plan
and
supporting
street
art
in
Toronto,
as
well
as
our
colleagues
in
municipal
licensing
and
standards.
Thank
you.
E
G
C
In
total,
we
have
a
suite
of
programs,
so
they're
at
different
scales,
but
it's
about
fight.
In
fact,
it's
536
installations
throughout
the
city
which
go
from
large-scale
underpass
projects
and
partnership
program
to
the
bar,
the
traffic
signal
control
boxes,
but
in
total
over
500
over
500
536,
yes,
and
where.
C
G
Your
million
dollars
and
and
that
street
furniture
contract-
that's
not
actually
money
from
taxpayers.
That's
the
agreement
where
the
company,
if
you
will
provides
the
bus
shelters
and
they
put
the
advertisements
on
them
and
we
get
all
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
cut,
but
we
get
a
certain
revenue
stream
from
them.
A
G
A
B
B
And
I
will
ignore
the
comments
from
my
colleague
DEP
you
mayor
when
you're
gonna
be
moving
to
to
put
what
my
colleague
would
say.
You
know
when
we
doing
projects
and
put
street
art
on
the
on
the
boards.
Is
there
any
way
that
you
can
take
a
look,
and
it's
just
a
suggestion.
You
can
answer
it
now
or
later
on
that
we
have
permanent
boards,
that
you
shift
from
site
to
site
and
they're
permanently
painted
versus
doing
projects.
B
I
mean
every
time
you
do
a
project,
you
call
the
painter
and
it's
gonna
be
costing
a
lot
of
money.
Can
we
have
let's
say
30
or
40?
You
know
pre-done
boards
that
you
can
move
from
project
to
project
and
they
could
be
area
specific,
like
Scarborough
and
or
North
York,
and
and
display
what
is
prominent
in
those
communities.
Would
that
be
something
that
you
can
consider
absolutely.
C
F
F
C
Inspect
them
on
a
regular
basis.
We
also
have
the
public
that
community
calls
in
if
they
get,
and
it
happens
very
seldom
that
any
of
the
artwork
is
actually
vandalizes
tagged,
but
we
do
inspect
them
annually,
at
least
and
as
well
as
calls
I
know.
There's
an
issue
at
the
the
Weston
go
station
that
was
brought
to
our
attention
last
year
was
in
the
fall
so
we're
in
the
process
of
getting
that
repaired.
As
soon
as
the
weather
turns
that
the
artist
will
be
out
there.
You.
C
E
Thank
you
any
other
questions.
If
not
I
have
a
quick
one
as
part
of
the
street
art,
it
was
a
request
and
I'm,
not
sure.
If
that's
going
to
I,
think
that
your
during
a
presentation,
Miss
Parker,
mentioned
that
there
is
going
to
be
report
there.
Polyworks
infrastructure
on
art
on
the
streets
is
two
images
to
elaborate
a
bit
on
that
I
want
to
understand.
Apart.
A
E
J
G
Clerk
could
put
up
the
motion.
My
motion
basically
will
ask
for
a
staff
report
to
come
back
to
look
at
expanding
this
spectrum
of
projects
to
make
sure
we
include
public
projects
because
we're
doing
now
hundreds
of
projects
all
over
the
city
I've
had
in
my
ward
and
I
have
currently
now
as
a
pilot
project
hoarding
up
on
a
park.
That's
probably
the
size
of
two
football
fields,
and
originally
it
was
just
the
hoarding
going
up.
G
G
Actually
walking
past
a
giant
50
meter,
long
mural
with
public
art
on
it,
and
it's
absolutely
fantastic
and
when
you
look
at
what's
been
done
here,
mm-hmm
sorry,
at
with
over
500
projects
done
at
303
million
dollars
at
no
cost
to
the
taxpayer.
I
think
the
existing
program
is
fantastic.
I
think
it
does
create
a
sense
of
life
and
vitality
in
every
Park.
Every
part
of
the
city
I
think
expanding
this
to
parks,
projects,
water
projects,
transportation,
crews,
if
we're
building
a
community
center.
G
If
we're
building
a
new
library
that,
if
you've
got
hoarding
up,
we
should
be
following
the
rules
that
we've
already
established
here
and
making
sure
they're,
beautiful
and
mr.
chair
I'd,
like
to
sort
of
I,
would
like
to
tip
my
hat
to
you,
because
I
was
here
back
in
2012
and
I
know.
You
were
one
of
the
instigators
of
this
project
to
try
to
address
the
abundance
of
graffiti
all
across
the
city
that
was
bringing
down
property
values
that
was
sometimes
making
people
feel
unwelcome
and
places.
G
Look
a
little
shabby
to
say
the
least,
to
replace
and
I
think
our
staff
showed
it
very
well
to
take
some
of
those
walls
that
were
tagged
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
again
looked
like
a
place
that
maybe
you
shouldn't
be
to
change
that
with
this
great
big
black
bear
or
a
pen
bear
or
for
artwork
of
community
folks.
The
artwork
is
absolutely
fantastic
and
I.
Think
now,
when
people
walk
past
those
walls,
they're
like
wow
I,
live
in
a
beautiful
place.
G
It
may
not
be
the
richest
part
of
town,
but
I
live
in
a
beautiful
place,
so
I'm
I'm
fully
supportive
of
this
project.
I'm
very
happy
that
of
the
14
projects
being
approved
this
year
for
almost
half
a
million
dollars.
There
is
one
in
my
ward,
I
hope
over
the
years,
we'll
see
mm-hmm
this
diversity
and
I
think
stuff
again
have
done
a
very
good
job
of
saying
we're
not
just
going
yeah.
Oh
three
minutes
we're
not
just
gonna
focus
them
in
downtown
Toronto.
G
E
You,
deputy
Mia
any
questions
to
the
mover.
No,
is
not
that
easy
and
I
do
have
a
question
deputy
mayor
and
a
disagree
motion
but
which
we
willing
to
consider,
because
you
are
asking
for
a
report
to
include
any
contributions
from
section
story,
7:45
or
any
other
sections
of
the
Planning
Act,
because
there
are
some
parts
of
the
other
city.
As
you
know,
it
we're
we're
kind
of
fool.
Well,
we
don't
have
so
this
will
be
fine,
but
there
are
other
parts
of
the
city
where
there
is
gravity
money.
E
G
G
And
I
think
that's
a
friendly
amendment
funding
options,
including
section
37
and
45
and,
as
you
know,
councilor
I
think
that
is
viable
and
worthwhile
in
a
ward
like
mine,
or
certainly
a
number
of
words
in
Scarborough,
you
could
be
a
councillor
for
a
decade
or
two
decades
and
not
see
a
single
development
application
actually
happen.
I
know
if
a
counter
Chris
ante
in
his
ward,
I,
don't
think
in
his
tenure
here
and
it's
coming
up
to
about
eight
eight
or
ten
years
there
are.
E
E
Yes,
I
do
I
know
that
shine.
Okay,
first
I
want
to
thank
series
tab
for
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
they
have
done
in
great
work.
I
want
to
I
would
like
to
move
the
recommendations
within
the
report
and
also
to
to
adopt
the
presentation
in
a
short,
very
short
period
of
time.
Literally
speaking,
this
street
art
program
has
captured
the
hearts
and
souls
of
Torontonians
and
around
the
world,
and
that's
something
that
when
you
see
the
serum
to
website,
that's
actually
what
we
look
at
it
and
I
I
am
delighted.
E
I
am
very
proud
for
the
street
art
program
that
has
reached
new
heights
as
one
of
the
key
components
with
the
graffiti
management
plan
that
was
adopted
by
City
Council
back
in
2011
everyone,
so
12
is
also
as
noted
in
the
report.
The
street
art
program
aims
to
develop
support,
promote
an
increase
awareness
of
the
street
art,
which
is
an
indispensable
role
in
adding
beauty
and
character
to
our
local,
neighborhoods
and
I.
E
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
So
the
motion
is
to
adopt
the
recommendations
and
and
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
recorded
vote
on
this
one
with
the
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
answer:
none
Sierra
dieciocho
Palacio
carry
Chinese
develop
maker.
So
it's
unanimous.
Thank
you
thanks!
So
much
so
it
was
the
wish
of
the
community
to
change
the
order
of
business,
and
we
are
dealing
now
with
item
number
six
and
that
we
have
that
the
outdoor
animal
shelter
standards
and
extreme
weather-
and
we
have
one
speaker,
Michael
Zimmerman,.
K
Dance
for
the
disturbing
nature
nature
of
the
pictures
you're
about
to
see
I
want
to
thank
councilor
debayer
maker
for
defending
the
the
five-minute
limit.
That's
how
I
rehearse
this
and
I
want
to
thank
councillor
Layton
for
his
general
support.
My
name
is
Mike
Zimmerman,
I
retired.
After
more
than
25
years,
recently
retired
after
more
than
25
years
with
the
provincial
government,
the
last
half
of
my
career,
there
I
managed
the
animal
welfare
department.
K
Ontario
has
the
best
Provincial
Animal
Protection
law
in
Canada,
but
it
is
not
being
enforced
in
Toronto
and
here's
the
thing
the
current
provincial
law
already
includes
provisions
that
address
in
a
number
of
ways.
The
issue
that
today's
proposed
change
to
the
bylaw
seeks
to
address
and
the
provincial
law
sets
out
significant
penalties,
including
jail
time,
fines
of
up
to
$60,000
and
a
lifetime
ban
on
animal
ownership.
These
penalties
are
much
more
severe
than
what
could
be
imposed
through
a
local
bylaw.
K
The
AU
SPCA
is
the
only
entity
that
enforces
the
provincial
law,
but
they
have
abandoned
Toronto
and
dealing
with
a
poor
freezing
dog
left
in
a
Toronto
backyard
would
I
think
be
very
low
on
their
to-do
list.
They've
certainly
ignored
much
more
serious
incidents
that
have
occurred
here.
Hence
the
photos.
Two
of
the
most
horrific
cases
of
animal
abuse,
I've
ever
encountered,
took
place
in
Toronto.
K
Based
on
my
recent
Freedom
of
Information
request
to
the
city,
I
have
found
out
that
these
animals
ended
up
in
the
care
of
Toronto
Animal
Services,
who
properly
notified
the
OU
SPCA,
but
the
OU
SPCA
never
investigated
these
incidents
and
four
and
two
years
later
respectively,
there
have
been
no
charges,
no
justice,
and
that
means
these
abusers
are
still
out
there.
The
solution,
folks
is
to
get
the
province
to
authorize
the
city
to
enforce
the
provincial
law.
K
Toronto
Animal
Services
could
do
a
good
job
of
it
and
before
anybody
talks
about
downloading
it
would
also
allow
Toronto
Animal
Services
to
fundraise,
based
on
that
new
activity
and
they'd
be
tapping
into
a
proven
15
to
20
million
dollar
funding
market.
In
this
regard,
there
would
also
likely
be
greatly
increased
licensing
reviews.
Mr.
chair,
this
committee
passed
a
resolution
in
late
2016
to
move
forward
and
ask
the
province
for
this
authority.
I
propose
that
you
please
move
forward
on
that
important
matter.
Thank.
J
I
could
just
in
it'll,
be
very,
very
brief.
I
just
want
this
to
be
made
crystal
crystal
clear.
These
two
cases
of
animal
cruelty
that
happened
in
the
City
of
Toronto
went
uninvestigated.
That's
right,
so
the
people
that
did
this
poured
acid
on
the
face
of
a
dog,
yep
and
tied
a
dog's
mouth
shut
with
elastic
bands
were
not
investigated.
No
criminal
charges
were
brought
forward.
Nothing
was
done
that.
K
E
G
You
through
you,
mr.
chair
to
our
animal
services
staff
in
the
cases
like
the
ones
that
we
see
before
us
in
other
cases,
are
there
ways
that
we
could
either
through
our
own
jurisdiction
or
by
getting
additional
powers
from
the
provincial
government.
Are
there
ways
that
we
could
strengthen
our
Animal
Protection
by
loss
and
how
we
protect
animals,
self-esteem,
salve
anew.
L
Through
the
chair,
Toronto
Animal
Services
does
refer
these
cases
to
the
OU
SPCA.
Unfortunately,
in
both
of
these
cases
they
were
stray
animals,
and
so
we
did
a
number
of
measures
to
try
to
locate
the
abusers.
We
had
no
call,
we
did
work
with
Toronto
Police
Services
as
well.
Oh
SPCA
did
not
really
work
on
either
of
these
cases.
They
left
it
to
Toronto
services.
We
did
not
find
any
evidence,
unfortunately,
and
we
had
to
euthanize
the
lower
dog
and
the
upper
dog
is
very
happy
and.
G
G
G
G
G
L
L
E
Thank
you,
mr.
Jenkin,
any
other
questions.
Okay,
so
we
have
the
communication
from
cancer
later
on
and
with
the
a
very
specific
recommendation
and
that's
part
of
the
report
on
number
six
and
I
would
like
to
move
the
the
recommendation.
I'm.
Sorry
any
other
speakers
on
the
item,
these
three
members
cancer
later
thank.
J
It
sounds
like
this
committee
has
made
that
request
before
I
just
thought
that
this
was
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
make
that
request
again
during
an
election
cycle.
Perhaps
the
folks
at
at
Queen's
Park
will
be
listening
and
someone
will
take
this
seriously.
Thank
you
very
much.
Oh,
there
is
a
there
is
an
amendment
to
the
motion
that
I
believe
my
colleague,
councillor
debayer
maker
will
bring
forward
that
quarries
have
Thank.
J
Didn't
list
anything
outside
of
what
is
currently
the
the
within
provincial
animal
cruelty
laws:
I
I,
don't
know
enough
about
them
to
be
quite
honest,
to
start
determining
whether
or
not
the
penalties
are
sufficient
on.
This
is
also
why
I
didn't
make
a
specific
recommendation
about
bringing
dogs
or
other
animals
inside
during
extreme
weather
events,
I'm,
not
a
dog
owner
and
and
while
I'm
sympathetic
to
to
our
canine
friends,
I,
really
don't
I
I,
don't
have
enough
of
a
background
to
understand.
E
G
Who
could
be
that
evil
to
inflict
that
amount
of
pain
on
a
defenseless
animal,
so
I
think
our
animal
enforcement
and
staff
need
the
maximum
amount
of
power
that
has
allowed
through
the
legislation.
I.
Don't
think
that
they
have
that
today,
I
think
it
could
get
better.
That's
no
fault
of
ours.
It's
just
the
it's
in
relation
to
provincial
laws
and
I.
G
Our
staff
could
not
take
that
dog
our
staff
scene
and
that
dog
survived,
and
it
was
only
through
the
intervention
of
the
police
and
a
very
smart
police
officer.
We
were
able
to
secure
that
animal
and
not
have
to
require
a
dog
that
was
just
thrown
off
the
fourth
floor
of
a
balcony
to
go
back
into
that
apartment
with
that
same
drunk
person,
so
I
think
our
officers
need
the
ability
to
intervene
when
the
health
or
welfare
of
an
animal
is
at
risk.
G
In
these
extreme
situations,
I
am
thrilled
in
my
over
a
decade
now
of
being
a
city
councilor
we
have
transformed
our
Animal
Services
I
would
go
so
far
as
to
say
is
every
major
animal
welfare
organization
endorses
our
Animal
Services
works
in
cooperation
with
us
supports
us.
There
are
always
a
few
some
some
sometimes
an
animal
welfare
group
is
an
organization
of
one,
so
you
get
individuals
who
may
or
may
not
love
animal
services.
G
But
again,
through
my
experience,
all
the
people
who
are
taking
care
of
all
types
of
animals
now
work
in
cooperation
with
our
shelter.
We
do
not
put
down
any
animal,
we
do
not
euthanize
them
unless,
of
course,
for
humane
reasons.
So
when
our
shelters
are
filled
with
cats,
we
go
and
find
people
to
adopt
cats,
and
we
work
with
the
rescue
groups
to
make
sure
that
every
single
dog,
every
single
cat
that
comes
into
our
shelter,
finds
a
wonderful
and
supportive
and
loving
forever
home.
So
mr.
G
E
Other
speakers,
if
not
we
have
the
recommendation
before
us,
that's
being
amended-
is
all
those
in
favor
against
carry
adopted
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
against
Kerry.
Thank
you.
So
we'll
move
to
the
next
item
and
that's
alternative
dispute
resolution
review.
That's
item.
It
was
number
4,
but
now
it's
number
3.
E
D
Mr.
chair
committee,
members
of
the
committee,
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
of
speaking
on
this
matter
of
turn
alternative
dispute
resolution.
In
my
opinion,
a
good
number
of
neighbor
disputes
arise
because
of
decisions
made
by
the
city.
The
city
needs
to
look
at
their
processes
and
practices
that
affect
neighbors
so
that
neighbor
disputes
don't
arise
in
the
first
place.
One
issue:
once
issues
have
been
established
and
opinions
entrenched,
mediation
is
not
effective.
I
think
the
solution
to
preventing
neighbor
disputes
is
to
make
sure
decisions
made
by
the
city
are
reasonable.
Transparent
and
equitable.
D
A
property
owner
with
a
growing
family
may
want
an
addition
on
their
house.
If
the
addition
exceeds
the
zoning
laws,
they
go
to
the
committee
of
adjustment,
it's
reasonable
for
the
committee
to
approve
an
addition,
but
is
it
reasonable
to
make
an
unconditional
approval
when
an
addition
includes
a
walkout
from
a
third-story
to
a
deck
that
is
18
by
16
feet
in
dimension
and
the
deck
overlooks
not
only
neighboring
properties
but
every
rear
yard
on
the
street?
D
If
all
adjacent
and
some
other
neighbors
attend
the
committee
meeting
and
are
opposed
to
oppose
and
an
unconditional
approval,
it's
just
setting
the
homeowner
up
for
an
OMB
appeal
and
when
the
walkout
deck
is
disallowed
by
the
OMB,
then
it's
payback
time
a
neighbor
dispute
is
born
in.
It
is
reasonable
for
a
property
owner
to
have
a
six-foot
high
hedge
around
their
yard.
D
Everyone
is
entitled
to
an
a
reasonable
enjoyment
of
property.
Are
some
people
immune
to
bylaws?
That's
what
bylaws
are
for
now.
10
years
later
the
hedges
25
feet
high.
The
pool
has
been
filled
in,
and
young
children
now
living
in
the
adjacent
house
can't
play
in
the
rear
yard,
because
raccoons
living
in
the
hedge
are
defecating
on
in
the
yard.
Does
the
city
like
trees
that
much
bio
law
officers
require
mediation
skills
to
do
their
job
I,
believe
those
skills
are
written
into
their
job
description?
D
The
application
for
right
of
entry
permit
is
a
mediated
process
administered
by
municipal
licensing
and
standards.
The
problem
is
that
the
process
is
not
transparent.
The
owner
of
the
property
to
be
entered
receives
the
applicants
submission
and
can
make
a
response.
However,
the
applicant
the
applicant
cannot
see
the
response.
Essentially,
it
plays
one
neighbor
against
the
other.
The
process
needs
to
be
transparent
to
keep
everyone
on
the
same
page
and
on
a
level
playing
field.
Also,
there
needs
to
be
better
process
in
administering
the
right
of
entry.
Permit.
Please.
D
D
B
D
E
E
L
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
speaker
and
mr.
chair
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
staff
for
for
this
report.
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
initiative
in
terms
of
setting
direction
for
the
City
of
Toronto
and
its
residents
to
find
alternative
dispute
resolutions
oftentimes
that
Community
Council.
We
are
asked
to
deliberate
on
appeals,
whether
it's
fences
or
perhaps
front
yard
parking,
and
it
really
comes
out
to
who
has
access
to
the
the
process
of
decision
making.
L
Who
is
able
to
sort
of
muster
up
the
evidence
before
them
and
who
sometimes
is
the
loudest
and
most
vocal
advocate,
and
it
doesn't
always
give
us
the
best
outcomes
and
I,
don't
think
it's
also
necessarily
equitable.
With
with
respect
to
those
who
are
newcomers
who
don't
speak
English,
you
don't
understand
the
process
and
I
think
that
this
model
will
be
a
model.
Hopefully
that
will
be
using
more
moving
forward.
L
I
think
it
actually
allows
more
people
to
access
the
process
and,
more
importantly,
with
the
changes
in
the
in
the
OMB
and
what
will
probably
be
more
regimented
hearings
at
the
community
council
level.
It
actually
allows
us
to
focus
on
some
of
the
bigger
issues
and
and
having
neighbors
find
an
alternative
way
to
settle
those
disputes
without
it
being
brought
always
to
a
Community,
Council
or
any
other
appeal
board.
L
G
G
Sometimes
you
will
never
resolve
these
issues
because
again,
I've
done
the
dance,
many
a
time
out
in
Scarborough
with
two
neighbors
who
just
again
don't
get
along
and
but
I
think.
This
would
be
a
very,
very
positive
step
for
everyone
involved,
I
think
including
our
staff,
to
give
them
that
ability
to
negotiate
I
think
very
often
now
they
may
do
it
informally
or
gently,
but
really
right.
Now,
staff
aren't
supposed
to
do
that.
G
All
because
one
person
got
upset
about
something
they
had
no
option
but
to
annoy
harass
and
aggravate
a
whole
bunch
of
innocent
people
who
had
hedges
on
their
property,
for
example,
that
had
been
there
for
50
years
and
never
bothered
anybody
except
there
was
a
formal
complaint
and
the
hedge
was
six
inches
to
I.
So
all
of
this
stuff
happens
sometimes
so
if
we
can
actually
reduce
this,
this
will
be
good
for
everybody.
So
mr.
G
E
G
Mr.
chair,
on
a
point
of
order,
I've
just
won
at
the
deputation
list
and
I've
lost
it
here,
but
I'm
asking
that
I'm
gonna
ask
that
we
move
because
I
know
there
are
counselors
who
have
other
business.
They
have
to
attend
and
they're
hoping
to
deal
with
24.3
the
payday
loan
item,
so
I
would
move
that
we
do
that
item
next
before
items
number
one
and
two,
and
that
way
again
the
three
deputy
deputies
can
do
their
business
and
leave.
Thank
you.
E
So
if
any
member
is
thinking
about
leaving
for
whatever
reason-
and
it
will
be
very
helpful-
if
you
can
please
let
us
know
so-
we
have
a
motion
now
to
rearrange
the
order
of
business
and
to
move
today.
The
next
item
that
we,
the
interim
regulations,
will
pay
their
long
establishments
in
consultation.
So
that's
the
that's
emotionally
for
us.
Oh
I
will
okay
with
that:
okay,
all
those
in
favor
against
Kerry
great.
E
G
E
F
E
C
E
E
And
we
have
22
speakers
and
I'm
going
to
encourage
once
again
members
of
the
committee.
We
all
knew
that
today
we
had
a
lengthy
meeting
and
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
purple
enemy,
any
member
just
a
to
leave
because
of
other
commitments
and
so
I'm
going
to
ask
members
of
the
committee
just
please
to
reconsider
any
other
business
that
you
have
at
this
point
to
make
this
meeting
a
priority.
This
has
to
be
priority,
please
otherwise
we're
going
to
lose
quorum.
G
G
B
E
C
E
E
I
Very
grateful
to
have
been
given
this
opportunity
to
address
this
committee.
My
name
is
cash.
Kumar
said
I'm
a
senior
citizen
I'm,
a
retiree
I
live
in
Scarborough
for
the
past
three
years,
I
have
been
I've
had
to
suffer
immensely
at
the
hands
of
my
neighbors,
who
have
been
playing
music
very
loudly
on
a
regular
basis
on
the
weekends
I
have
had
to
leave
my
home
on
several
occasions,
because
I
could
not
endure.
The
noise
I
would
have
to
seek
refuge
in
neighborhood
parks
for
the
libraries.
I
I
My
neighbor
Robert
Kerr,
who
died
three
years
ago,
was
a
diabetic,
an
amputee
who
used
to
sit
in
his
backyard
in
the
weekends,
with
a
friend
now
and
again,
to
spend
some
time
it
was
his
only
his
pastime
and
when
the
music
started,
blasting
he'd
have
to
hobble,
get
on
his
crutches
and
hobble
into
the
house,
because
because
he
could
not,
he
could
not
tolerate
it.
It
was
he
was
in
his
70s
at
the
time.
God
bless
his
soul.
I.
I
I
Indeed,
there's
a
gentleman
he
is
retired.
Now
he
used
to
do
a
factory
work,
lifting
and
loading
heavy
bundles.
He
left
home
at
6:00
in
the
morning.
Norbert
kelly
would
leave
home
at
6:00
in
the
morning
return
at
6:00
in
the
evening.
The
weekends
were
there's
only
time
for
him
to
relax
a
little
bit
and
then
the
music
was
so
overwhelming.
He
couldn't
even
he
couldn't
even
get
his
rest.
B
I
I
Just
to
summarize,
there
is
another
group
consider
also
the
senior
a
mother
trying
to
put
her
child
to
sleep,
a
night
worker
trying
to
get
some
sleep
and
the
day
or
any
group
of
seniors
any
group
of
individuals
wanting
some
peace
and
quiet
in
their
backyard.
Kindly
kindly
let
this
be
a
guidelines
when
deliberating
on
these
bylaws
I.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr.
Kumar.
E
G
G
Yeah
I
know
I
know
the
area
is
sort
of
up
tronto
Jewish
way.
Okay.
So
when
this
happened
to
you,
I
won't
I
won't
talk
about
your
other
neighbors,
but
just
to
you
did
you
talk
to
the
local
inspectors
and
the
local
city
councilor
about
the
alcoholic.
The
offending
neighbor
I
have
in
the
noise
I'll
call
it
the.
I
Outgoing,
the
outgoing
councillor
for
my
ward
rendered
no
assistance.
A
man
died
when
I
had
to
I
had
to
go
and
read
the
bylaws
myself
II.
He
and
his
assistant
declared
that
there
was
nothing
that
could
be
done,
that
the
noise
could
persist
from
or
until
11:00
at
night
I
found
that
I
found
the
opposite.
When
I
did
my
research
and.
G
G
K
I
E
M
Morning,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Toronto
noise
Coalition.
My
name
is
Harold
Smith
gas
leaf
blowers
are
identified
as
harmful
noise
sources
by
the
US
Centers
for
Disease
Control
US
EPA,
as
well
as
the
National
landscape.
Industry
Association
Toronto
should
treat
this
equipment
this
equipment's
noise
and
emissions
as
a
public
health
threat.
This
nor
noises
currently
legalized
assault
on
everyone
within
earshot.
It
should
be
done
to
protect
public
health
as
a
number
of
Canadian
and
American
cities
do
Toronto
should
do
the
same
lawn
and
garden
equipment.
M
Sound
is
higher
than
w-h-o
outdoor
daytime
sound
level
standards
of
55
DBA
out
to
800
feet
from
the
source.
This
raises
concerns
regarding
the
impact
on
communities
and
in
these
communities.
The
vulnerable
populations
susceptible
to
this
noise
include
the
workers
themselves:
children,
the
elderly,
the
retired,
the
sick,
those
working
from
home
and
those
working
overnight
shifts
Santa
Monica's
leaf.
Blower
enforcement.
Update
of
May
2017,
which
I've
submitted,
is
a
model
for
Toronto.
They
succeed
by
public
education,
about
gas,
leaf,
blower
noise
damage
and
alternatives.
They
impose
higher
fines.
They
ticket
offenders.
They
hire
adequate
staff.
M
The
National
Association
of
landscape
professionals
install
instruction
guide
states
and
I'm,
quoting
is
our
equipment
noisier
than
85
dB?
Yes,
most
of
it.
Some
of
our
equipment
is
a
thousand
times
higher
noisier
and
of
quotes.
Electric
Leaf
Blower
should
not
be
expensive
when
regulations
require
all
contractors
use
them.
Strong
competition
will
normalize
lawn
maintenance
costs,
Environment
Canada's
stats
indicate
small
engine.
Emissions
are
significant,
despite
energy
and
environments,
transform
Toronto
conclusions
to
the
contrary.
That's
in
my
submission.
M
Also,
the
noise
enforcement
budget
is
unknown,
but
probably
penalties
per
person,
skimping
on
enforcement,
inflates
health
care
costs,
but
fails
to
collect
potential.
Fine
revenue,
not
a
great
business
plan
since
TPS
and
oag
CR
ceasing
public
nose
by
law
enforcement.
Mls
must
provide
even
stronger,
credible,
timely
and
fully
funded
enforcement,
require
contractors
mitigate
construction,
noise
on
sites
abutting,
residential
Bertie's
and
standby
generators
on
Toronto
Hydro
when
Toronto
Hydro
is
available.
Abusive
construction
noise
must
not
play
neighbors
for
months.
If
not
years
so
contractors
can
cut
corners,
Thank.
G
M
G
G
M
G
M
M
M
To
me,
snowblowers
aren't
that
kind
of
a
problem
would
be
great
if
if
it
could
be
done,
but
personally
I
don't
have
that
that
experience
where
I
live.
There
are
a
lot
of
lawns
and
there
are
teams
of
maintenance
contractors
coming
through
and
when
I
go
in
my
backyard
I
have
to
wear
the
same
acoustic
protection
they
do
because
I'm
retired.
So
you.
M
E
M
M
A
big
driveway
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
noise,
and
this
this
this
is
common
where
I
live
and
through
other
areas
throughout
the
city,
where
there
are
a
lot
of
lawns,
and
it's
astounding
to
me
that
Energy
and
Environment
chose
not
to
consider
small
engine
emissions
as
a
source
of
pollution.
It
should
have
been
in
the
transform
Tarkio
initiative.
Well.
N
N
M
M
A
problem
since
people
hired
contractors
to
do
this
work
I
remember
when
I
moved
into
the
house
40
years
ago,
almost
40
years
ago,
I
hired
somebody
myself
and
at
that
time
excuse
me.
I
found
it
incredibly
noisy
and
I
found
out
a
service.
I
could
do
without
and
now
I
use
a
push
mower
to
mow.
My
lawn.
N
Okay
and
last
question
respectfully
I
know
this
is
an
issue
for
for
yourself
and
others.
Do
you
see
like
a
citywide
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
flippant
here,
but
uprising
about
the
floors
like
I'm,
just
not
sure
it's
an
issue
to
some
people
like
your
craft
noises
right,
it's
definitely
minimizing
that.
But
is
it
really
an?
Is
it
an
issue
for
the
majority
of
citizens
of
Toronto
and
at
what
point
does
this
council
say?
Okay,
well,
there's
a
segment
and
we
have
to
every
segment
well,.
M
The
people
who
you
know
I
speaking
to
somebody
this
morning
on
their
way
to
you,
know
on
my
way
to
the
bus
stop
and
she
said
it.
She
never
really
considered
it,
but
then
she
said
well
I
go
to
work,
so
it's
not
a
problem
for
her
I,
don't
go
to
work,
I
mean
I.
I've
done
my
work
now,
I'm
in
another
phase,.
M
M
I
was
going
to
work,
I
wrote
a
bike
and
I
felt
you
know
with
all
the
dust
and
stuff
being
blown
my
way,
I
found
it
quite
uncomfortable,
it's
not
like
being
in
a
car.
We
are
protected,
so
it
is
a
problem.
I
mean
you
know,
there's
literature
by
dr.
Sheila
Basra
numerous
reports
about
the
the
particulate
matter
by
the
dust
by
the
pollen
by
the
all
the
stuff
that
gets
kicked
up
by
this
equipment.
It's
it's
pretty
bad
Thank.
B
B
M
You
know
I'm
not
saying
that
they
can't
use
a
power
mower
I'm,
just
saying
that
the
equipment
it's
from
an
acoustic
standpoint,
the
best
equipment
to
use,
is
quite
the
quietest.
Motorized
equipment
available
and
gas-powered
equipment
is
the
loudest.
I
mean
I've
just
quoted
from
an
equipment
from
a
national
landscape
Association,
and
they
said
that
this
equipment
is
a
hotel
threat.
B
M
M
B
M
M
I
would
say
that
if
you
want
to
look
counselor,
you
have
to
figure,
you
have
to
determine
what's
more
important
and
to
me
public
health
comes
first,
it's
just
like
smoking,
aids,
opioids
noise,
it's
well
documented
by
science
and
medicine
and
I've.
Read
some
of
this
literature
and
and
you've
read
how
loud
is
too
loud.
Health
comes
number
one
over
commerce
and
it's
up
to
entrepreneurs
to
figure
out
how
to
do
this,
how
to
get
around
it,
how
to
work,
how
to
provide
services
a
higher
end
of
service,
maybe
provide
a
design
service.
E
E
M
I,
if
I
heard
you
correctly
it's
about
the
downloading
of
noise
noise,
complaints
to
municipal
licensing
standards,
well,
municipal
licensing,
the
the
budget
for
enforcement
has
has
been,
has
been
cut.
It's
been
cut
tremendously
over
the
over
the
years
and
it's
it's.
It's
I
think
that
noise
enforcement
has
credibility
with
the
public,
and
this
is
a
serious
and
issue
because
it
you
know,
loss
of
credibility,
erodes
the
public's
trust
in
in
municipal
institutions
and
I.
Think
it's
very
important
to
bolster
public
health
with
with
sufficient
levels
of
trained
staff
devoted
to
dealing
with
noise.
So.
E
M
E
M
Don't
know
if
I
can
answer
that
I
would
just
say
that
whoever
is
enforcing
it
has
to
have
the
power
to
enforce
and
have
the
tools
to
enforce
and
have
adequate
support
to
enforce,
whether
it
be
the
police,
I
I.
Don't
think
the
police
are
the
best
ones
to
do
it
because
they're
very,
very
expensive
and
I
think
it
should
be
less
expensive
staff.
M
D
My
comments
are
to
be
found
in
your
package
as
LS
24
1.8,
so
I
will
not
bore
you
by
repeating
all
of
that
I'd
like
to
address
some
of
the
other
issues
that
have
already
been
brought
up
this
morning
with
respect
to
lawn
equipments
I
used
to
have
a
home
in
Pickering
with
a
large
lawn
I
had
an
electric
lawnmower
and
I
now
have
a
battery-powered
electric
lawnmower
at
my
cottage,
which
has
a
half
acre
lot.
I,
don't
know
the
whole
thing
with
that.
D
Of
course
we
have
a
ride
on
tractor,
which
is
quite
quiet,
but
the
battery-powered
machine
is
useful
for
the
small
places
and
it
has
two
batteries.
So
when
I
ran
out
of
juice,
I
don't
change
the
battery.
It
takes
no
time
at
all
to
clean
the
lawn
of
leaves
when
I
lived
in
Perry
I
and
my
children
used
to
rake.
We
also
used
to
do
that
at
the
cottage
until
we
got
too
old
to
do
it.
D
D
D
The
signs
say
no
stopping
motorcoach
loading,
only
no
idling,
this
bus
does
all
of
those
things
it
idles.
It
parks.
It's
not
loading
people
as
you
can
see
the
doors
are
shut.
We
get
hundreds
of
these
all
the
time,
even
school
buses.
Do
it.
It's
disgusting.
We
have
all
these
fumes
in
the
downtown
area
added
to
the
traffic
fumes
that
we
have
to
put
up
with
and
not
to
mention
the
noise
of
these
motors
running
here's
another
one.
This
is
Wellington
Street,
West
I
took
this
picture
yesterday
morning.
D
D
D
Contact
in
transportation
services
to
find
out
how
I
could
get
this
bylaw
enforced
I
was
referred
to
someone
who
did
not
answer
the
phone.
I
left
a
message.
The
message
said
on
her
phone
said.
The
best
way
to
contact
me
is
by
email.
So
this
was
you
know
like
9
o'clock
yesterday
morning
overnight.
She
responded
this
morning.
If
that
vehicle
was
not
there,
people
do
not
respond
in
a
timely
fashion.
To
complaints
same
thing
happens
with
noisy
concerts.
D
B
You,
chair
really
appreciate
you
coming
in
and
giving
us
an
update
on
your
it
trick.
Mores
and
everything
else.
I
got
a
question
for
you.
If
somebody
is
on
a
fixed
income,
a
senior
and
disabled
they,
you
know
they
make
twelve
thirteen
hundred
dollars
a
month
and
they
need
to
get
the
grass
and
the
grass
needs
to
be
cut
almost
on
a
weekly
or
bi-weekly
basis.
If
we
have
a
company
that
comes
in
and
uses
manpower,
they
will
take
an
hour
if
they
have
two
people.
The
charge
will
be
something
like
seventy
or
eighty
bucks.
B
D
Through
you,
mr.
chairman,
I,
think
this
is
a
red
herring
question
the
senior
can
shop
around
for
the
cheapest
price.
He
doesn't
have
to
take
someone
who
brings
noisy
parrot
equipment
if
he's
elderly
and
impaired
and
in
his
home,
he's
probably
having
to
be
subjected
to
the
terrible
noise.
We've
just
heard
we'll
be
confused
by
this
equipment
and
which
will
make
him
unhappy
and
even
sicker
than
he
is
already.
Why
doesn't
he
have
a
natural
garden?
Stop
mowing
the
lawn
all
together
just
grow
flowers.
B
B
D
The
way
I
can
tell
you
that
the
contractor
that
we
do
now
use
at
our
cottage,
because
we
are
too
old
to
rake
the
leaves
and
our
children
are
busy
with
their
infants.
They
charge
me
three
hundred
dollars
to
do
the
job
once
in
the
year.
They
do
use
blowers.
I
wish
they
wouldn't,
but
they
also
use
a
lot
of
people
that
rake
and
they
are
students.
If.
L
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
thank
you
for
your
deputation.
You
raised
a
very
legitimate
point
regarding
the
lack
of
active
enforcement
and,
as
I
see
the
images
of
those
idling
buses
and
the
motor
arcades
that
you've
put
on
the
screen
tells
me
that
perhaps
the
the
proliferation
of
those
vehicles
is
enough
on
the
street
that
if,
if
a
random
officer
did
come
by
they
would
they
probably
do
a
fairly
brisk
business.
That
day,
that's.
L
D
Can't
help
you
with
that
counselor
through
mr.
chair,
because
I
have
never
personally
called
for
enforcement
until
this
particular
incident.
Many
of
my
colleagues
here
will
be
able
to
speak
to
that
they
have
noise
logs.
They
do
all
kinds
of
record-keeping.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
E
Most
likely
they're
going
to
be
a
refer
back
to
city
staff,
for
additional
research
in
consultation,
and
that's
also,
and
in
conjunction
with
the
noise
working
group
that
was
formed
by
City
Council.
So
your
concerns
can
be
effectively
addressed.
So
this
item
is
going
to
be
and
refer
to
series
tab
once
again
and
there
will
be
a
report
coming
back.
E
The
third
quarter
mm
anything
of
next
year,
so
I
just
wanted
you
to
bear
in
mind
that
there
is
going
to
be
additional
work
taking
place
and,
having
said
that,
let's
move
to
the
next
day
of
tent
and
get
it
raised
good
morning.
Good
to
have
you
here,
sorry
to
keep
you
waiting.
Please
go
ahead
good
morning.
Have
three
minutes
and.
O
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
the
noise
by
law
review,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
leaf
blowers.
My
name
is
Gary
Reyes
I'm,
the
director
of
government
relations
for
retail
Council
of
Canada
retail
Council
of
Canada
is
the
voice
of
retail
in
Canada
and
represents
more
than
17,000
Ontario
storefronts
of
all
the
retail
formats,
including
Department,
specialty
discount,
independent
stores
and
general
merchandise,
grocery
and
pharmacy.
O
Our
membership
represents
over
70%
of
core
retail
sales
in
Canada.
The
following
are
noise
levels
person.
Some
common
sounds
that
I'd
like
to
point
out
to
the
the
committee
today.
10
decibels
is
normal.
Breathing
50
decibels
is
a
refrigerator
60
decibels,
normal
conversation
for
your
information.
To
put
this
into
perspective,
I'm
violating
a
potential
threshold
of
45
decibels.
O
At
what
level
does
one
establish
a
noise
threshold
and
what
other
products
will
be
potentially
banned
for
sale?
Let
us
not
forget
that
all
previous
mentioned
products
and
a
host
of
others
are
CSA,
approved
and
allowed
for
sale
in
Canada.
Consumers
are
a
resourceful
bunch
and
will
just
purchase
the
product
in
other
905
retail
locations
or
dare
I,
say
it
online.
O
Let
us
remember
that
we
are
reacting
to
23
complaints
in
2016
and
2828
complaints
in
2017
in
a
population
of
almost
3
million
citizens.
In
addition,
if
one
were
to
establish
a
45
decibel
threshold
for
leaf
blowers,
it
is
not
realistic,
since
manufacturers
claimed,
through
the
consultation
that
was
conducted,
that
technology
will
not
deliver
a
product
to
support
that
level
of
threshold.
O
E
G
O
Think
councillor
I
worry
about
banning
products
that
are
legitimate
products
for
sale
in
Canada
I
think
there
is
a
use
for
products.
I
think
that
the
time
of
use
restriction
is
an
appropriate
manner
in
which
to
utilize.
Those
products
and
I
think
that
through
proper
consumer
education
and
usage
of
it,
we
can
get
along
well
David
day-to-day
I'm,
not
suggesting
any
kind
of
a
ban
on
the
product
would.
G
O
G
G
We
gave
people
an
opportunity
to
face
things
out,
so
you
think,
if
we're
going
to
make
changes,
I
guess
your
submission
to
us
as
I'm
buddy,
half
the
retail
sector
is
to
involve
you
and
to
give
you
time
to
adapt.
I'll
call
it
for
the
marketplace.
Yes,
yeah.
Do
you
think
phasing
out
lead
paint
was
a
good
idea.
There.
G
N
O
N
Yes,
actually,
the
information
I
received
to,
let
me
ask
you
this:
did
you
hear
one
of
the
deputations
where
a
concern
was
raised
about
the
response
time
to
enforcement
of
various
bylaws?
Worse,
whether
it's
an
idling,
bylaw
I
think
it
was
a
definite
before
you
did
you
hear
that
concern
that
our
MLS
staff
just
aren't
getting
out
there
quickly
enough
to
noise
complaints
in
general?
I
heard
the
comment.
O
E
P
Minutes
good
morning,
Thank
You,
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
I'm
a
resident
of
Ward
44
from
2013
through
2015,
my
household,
endured
hundreds
of
hours
of
extremely
loud
amplified,
music
from
a
neighbor's
vehicle,
directed
straight
into
the
front
of
our
house.
As
a
result,
I've
become
acquainted
with
the
existing
noise
bylaw.
It's
enforcement
and
AM
well-placed
to
comment
on
nuisance.
Noise.
I
make
these
comments
on
my
own
behalf.
The
concern
that
I
bring
to
the
committee
is
regarding
the
future
and
the
potentially
updated
bylaws
general
prohibition
against
noise.
P
This
is
an
essential
component
of
the
current
noise
bylaw.
However,
previous
versions
were
written
in
a
confusing
manner,
and
this
has
resulted
in
the
legacy
of
a
widely
held
misconception
that
producing
unlimited
noise
from
8
a.m.
until
11
p.m.
is
a
right
conferred
under
the
Bairro.
This
is
particularly
entrenched
regarding
amplified
music
I've
heard.
Many
people
reiterate
this
false
belief.
If
a
prohibition
against
nuisance
noise
is
not
included
or
is
not
clearly
stated
as
prohibited,
the
only
protection
available
to
residents
would
be
to
have
Toronto
Police
Services
enforce
the
applicable
sections
of
the
Criminal
Code.
P
This
approach
would
obviously
devote
demand
more
toronto
police
services
time
and
be
more
costly
for
the
city
than
simply
having
police
or
by
law
officers
issue
a
ticket
under
a
noise
bylaw
with
a
small
fine
for
a
first
offense
and
escalating
fines
for
repeat
offenses.
I
ask
that
the
committee
ensure
any
proposed
changes
will
clearly
state
that
nuisance
noise
at
any
time
impinging
on
private
or
public
property
will
be
prohibited
under
the
new
bylaw
that
bylaw
and
toronto
police
officers,
subjective
reports
and
witness
accounts
will
be
fit.
Evidence
for
enforcement.
P
Further
moya
asked
the
committee
to
consider
increasing
staff
levels
of
bylaw
officers
in
order
to
provide
effective
enforcement.
My
experience
has
been
that
by
law
enforcement
officers
are
unavailable
at
the
times
that
they
are
most
needed
for
noise
enforcement
holidays
weekends
weekend
afternoons
and
weeknights
have
a
shortage
of
staff.
Toronto
police
services
are
in
great
demand
during
those
periods
and
are
challenged
to
attend
for
lower
priority
concerns
such
as
noise.
A
general
prohibition
would
ensure
the
city's
ability
to
fulfill
its
responsibilities,
discouraging
violation
of
the
noise
by
law,
as
well
as
violating
the
Criminal
Code.
P
G
G
G
P
G
If
that
individual
likes
his
loud
music,
he
can
block
you
know
if
he
thinks
he
can
blast
it
away
and
we
let
him
that's
what
he'll
do
just
because
that's
the
way
he
is
absolutely
and
the
current
bylaw
says
that
at
least
you
can
call
one
of
our
inspectors
to
say
the
gentleman
next
door
is
again
blaring
his
speakers
and
disturbing
our
peace
and
quiet.
Okay,
I've
called.
P
The
police,
and
so
many
times
that
I
lost
count
they've
attended
three
times
and
caught
him
in
the
act.
Doing
exactly
this.
My
other
neighbor
phoned
in
in
the
middle
of
the
night
at
1:00
a.m.
and
complained
about
this
guy's
noise
out
of
his
house
out
of
his
residence.
It's
been
an
ongoing
issue
for
a
decade
and
a
half.
Now
the
police
attended
three
times
cut
him
cold,
told
him
off
and
drove
away.
Okay,
that's
their
job.
P
I
understand
that
they're
busy,
so
I
put
in
a
request,
I
put
in
a
complaint
to
bylaw
enforcement
after
the
third
attempt
after
the
third
attendance,
and
they
sent
him
a
warning
letter
telling
him
to
stop
okay,
so
he
stopped
for
a
while.
He
started
doing
it
again
in
2017,
I
called
the
police
again
and
he
attempted
to
order
the
police
off
his
property
that
didn't
work.
So
then
they
told
me
put
in
another
complaint
with
by
law
enforcement.
You
know
this
just
goes
on
and
on
nobody
hands
the
guy
ticket
right.
G
B
Before
we
go
to
the
next
counselor
I
do
want
to
point
something
out,
folks
that
the
deputy
general
manager
has
given
me,
and
please
try
to
remember
what
we're
here.
For
today,
the
request
is
City
Council
direct,
the
executive
director
of
municipal
icing
standards
to
complete
additional
research
and
consultation
for
the
review
of
chapter
5,
9,
1
noise
and
report
back
by
the
3rd
quarter
of
2019,
with
recommended
changes
to
viola
I
appreciate
the
fact
I
think
Frances,
you
had
some
questions
of
the
previous
deputies.
B
If
she
can
come
back,
please
I
would
appreciate
the
fact,
please
that
if
you
keep
to
the
subject
at
hand,
I
know
some
of
you
are
here
today
to
tell
us
of
your
what
happens
with
your
neighbor
and
all
that
stuff.
But
we
are
asking
staff
to
come
back
with
recommendations.
So
if
you
have
specific
suggestions
like
we'd
like
to
hear
about
what
happens,
your
neighbor-
but
this
is
not
we're
here
for
today-
we're
here
for
today
to
say
to
staff
this
you've
overlooked
this.
Can
you
please
it
look
that
let's
give
them
that
direction?
B
F
It
just
on
your
reputation
and
I
receive
a
lot
of
noise
complaints
as
well,
mostly
in
the
summer,
because
that's
when
people
are
party-
but
my
question
to
you
is
that,
as
you
do
not
agree,
that
in
order
for
charges
to
be
laid
by
a
municipal
licensing
is
that
they
need
to
be
there.
And
if
the
noise
is
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
or
whenever
the
noise
happens,
they
need
to
be
there
and
hear
the
noise
in
order
to
lay
charges
other
than
that
they
ask
you
to
document
it.
F
P
B
F
P
Q
Good
morning,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name,
is
Victoria
Shepherd
I'm,
the
director
of
operations
at
Music,
Canada,
live
Canada's,
live
music
industry
association
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
our
board
membership
and
executive
director
Aaron
Benjamin,
music,
haneda
Live
is
dedicated
to
helping
the
live
music
industry,
develop
its
full
potential
through
research
collaboration
and
advocacy
across
Canada.
Our
mission
is
to
entrench
the
economic,
cultural
and
social
value
and
power
of
live
music.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
this
morning.
Q
In
2015,
music,
canada
live
helped
released
an
economic
profile
of
the
live
music
industry
in
Ontario.
It's
called
live
music
measures
up.
We
establish
that
this
critically
important
sector
contributes
1.2
billion
dollars
to
provincial
GDP,
creates
20,000
jobs
and
that
83%
of
the
companies
interviewed
with
projecting
future
growth.
Toronto
is
a
single
largest
market
for
the
sector.
For
the
past
two
years,
music
Canada
Life
has
been
part
of
the
ministry
of
tourism,
culture
and
sport.
Provincial
Roundtable
called
the
Ontario
live
music
working
group
on
April
16th.
Q
Q
Canada
life
supports
the
August
2015
noise
bylaw
recommendations
prepared
by
the
Toronto
music
industry,
Advisory
Council,
t-mac
I,
won't
reiterate
them
given
the
time
limitation,
but
I
do
urge
you
to
review
that
document
and
as
you're,
considering
your
bylaw
review.
Take
into
account
the
very
valid
points
and
evidence
that
this
paper
provides
live.
Music
generates
millions
of
dollars
in
revenue,
employs
thousands
of
people,
drives
tourism
and
makes
Toronto
the
thriving
cultural
center.
Q
Where
we
love
to
live
and
work,
we
look
forward
to
working
with
the
City
of
Toronto
to
ensure
that
noise
bylaws
recognize
the
crucial
contribution
of
live
music
stakeholders.
Small
medium
and
large,
both
indoors
and
out
to
the
enrichment
of
our
social,
economic
and
cultural
well-being.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
this
morning.
L
Q
L
I'm,
asking
about
the
ecosystem,
that's
created
in
order
for
the
the
music
industry
to
thrive
in
very
dense,
mixed-use
neighborhoods,
recognizing,
there's
different
times
of
operation,
but
I
think
what
we're
going
to
hear
and
what
what
is
listed
before
us
is
a
number
of
Deputies
who
who
probably
raised
some
concerns
that
perhaps
there
needs
to
be
more
done
proactively
by
the
by
the
industry.
The
music
industry
live
music
or
recorded
music
to
try
to
manage
those
neighborhood
relations.
Sure
so
do
you
believe
in
your
Emmy.
L
Q
Excellent
question:
thank
you
and
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
again
to
the
Toronto
music
industry
advisory
council
recommendations
from
August
of
2016
and
the
very
first
page
of
the
document.
It
actually
starts
with
recommendations
to
benefit
residents,
and
it
talks
about
things
like
properties
located
in
residential
neighbourhoods
should
have
greater
protection
against
intrusive
noise.
Q
The
people
who
are
gonna
buy
your
properties
need
to
be
assured
that
they
are
going
to
be
able
to
sleep
in
their
homes
and
not
be
disturbed,
and
that
puts
the
onus
on
the
developers
to
think
about
how
they're
developing
the
buildings
to
provide
noise
insulation.
So
are
we
doing
everything
possible
proactively,
I,
don't
think
anyone
ever
is
doing
everything,
but
I
think
there
are
such
solid
recommendations
in
Team
act.
Q
Is
actually
a
specific
recommendation
in
the
t-mac
document
that
pertains
to
special
events
like
street
festivals,
like
outdoor
events,
that
recommends
that
everyone
does
a
better
job
of
making
sure
residents
know
that
these
kinds
of
things
are
happening
in
events,
so
that,
for
example,
if
big
onblur
is
happening,
yeah
residents
know
that
for
this
weekend,
there's
gonna
be
additional
noise
yeah.
So
that
is
a
strong
recommendation.
That's
already
in
the
paper.
Okay,
thanks.
L
L
Q
Don't
know
the
answer
to
that
question:
it's
not
something
that
our
industry
association
dictates.
One
of
our
core
pillars,
though,
is
education.
So
what
we
would
love
to
do
is,
as
as
your
kin,
your
community
works
for
to
develop
the
bylaws.
Is
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
know
exactly
what
they
mean
so
that
we
can
say
to
our
members?
You
know
best
practices
for
notice
would
be
you
know,
60
days
or
30
days
or
15
days,
so
whatever
the
the
film
industry
office
does
perhaps
as
an
example.
Q
We
would
be
very
here
to
work
with
you
as
you
develop
best
practices,
because
the
live
music
community
doesn't
want
to
be
an
outlier.
It
wants
to
work
with
the
communities
that
it
existed,
because
they
are
the
audience
they
are
the
customers.
So
what
they
want
to
do
is
create
a
place
where
this
ecosystem
is.
You
know
we
support,
live
music,
live
music
respects
us.
There
are
different
property
classifications
that
could
be
taken
into
account.
Q
You
know
if
you've
got
purely
residential,
you're
gonna
be
want
to
have
an
T
Mack
says
this
you're
gonna
want
to
have
a
lower
decibel
noise
regulation
than
say
a
mixed-use
source
or
a
special
use
or
a
heritage.
Use
designation,
where
the
nature
of
the
construction
of
the
building
is
such
based
on
historical
construction
premises
that
you
maybe
can't
insulate
for
noise.
L
L
The
here
are
some
following
examples:
loud
noise,
sound
loud
sound
effects
from
the
legends
of
horror,
Halloween
event,
which
runs
for
over
a
month
from
late
September
through
October
31st
5:30
p.m.
with
the
last
admission
at
11:11
p.m.
in
addition
to
screaming
sound
effects.
There
are
screaming
customers
and
late
night.
No,
as
crowds
and
taxis
gather
outside
of
the
stables.
We
have
met
repeatedly
with
counsel
Irma
havoc
and
with
liberty,
with
only
minor
improvements.
L
Residents
have
filed
many
many
noise
complaints
and
noise
logs
over
the
years,
only
to
learn
that
these
are
invalid,
because
Liberty
has
been
granted
long
term.
Noise
exemption
permits
ie
for
two
months
from
September
15th
to
November
15th
to
during
July
and
August
Liberty
holds
weekly
extremely
high
volume,
amplified
music
events
such
as
soil
in
the
city.
In
addition,
all
summer,
the
castle
has
weddings
with
amplified
music
on
their
outdoor
patio.
L
As
a
result,
area
residents
are
unable
to
sit
on
their
outdoor
patios
due
to
the
success
of
noise
3,
the
area
behind
Casa
Loma
stables
is
being
used
by
Liberty
as
a
gravel
parking
lot
and
garbage
disposal
and
storage
site.
There's
constant
late-night
car
traffic
on
gravel
and
daytime
high
volume,
screeching
and
beeping
noises
trucks,
deposit
and
load
up
large
industrial
bins
of
refuse
impairing
the
quiet
enjoyment
of
property
for
residents.
So
I'd
like
to
stress
that
Casa
Loma
and
the
stables
are
embedded
in
a
family-oriented
residential
area
with
many
young
families
with
children.
L
We
urge
you,
the
committee
to
follow
New
York
City's
example,
and
adopt
very
low
tolerance
levels
for
establishments
which
create
noise
in
a
residential
area
as
follows.
One
prohibit
amplified
noise
in
a
residential
area
to
adopt
a
policy
of
timely
and
strict
enforcement
of
noise
bylaws
with
meaningful
penalties
for
violators.
3
prohibit
the
granting
of
these
long
duration,
multi-week
and
month.
Noise
exemption
permits.
L
These
exemptions
should
be
exceptions
not
the
norm,
and
they
should
be
used
for
special
occasions
only
for
curtail
the
permitted
duration
of
noise,
creating
activities,
for
example,
the
casa
loma
halloween
event
should
not
run
for
over
a
month.
Maybe
10
days
and
last
admission
should
be
earlier.
5
require
the
use
of
the
latest
technologies,
such
as
muted
truck
beeping
and
sound
barriers
where
a
residential
property
abuts
annoys
creating
entity
to
mitigate
the
noise
at
source
and
six
require
all
noise.
Creating
establishments
embedded
in
a
residential
community
have
a
robust
noise
mitigation
plan
drawn
up
income.
E
L
B
You
chair
threw
you
to
the
dinner.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
noise
people
shouldn't
have
to
put
up
with
noise
ever
do
any
worse.
However,
the
venue
of
Casa
Loma
with
Liberty
when
the
city
allowed
them
to
use
Casa
Loma
and
to
keep
it
up
and
and
and
all
that
work
there
released
with
us
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
allowed
them
to
put
weddings
to
do
gatherings.
B
L
B
L
B
B
N
N
L
N
As
opposed
right
and
I
guess
the
the
issue
I
have
is,
it
is
kind
of
like
in
many
ways
being
beside
an
airport
like
it's
it's
a
it's
a
renowned
venue
space.
It
has
had
weddings
for
a
number
of
years.
Obviously
they
have
to
morph
it.
They
businesses
morph
into
various
iterations
and
absolutely
they
need
to
respect
the
law.
The
rules
as
the
city
has
laid
down,
but
to
prohibit
amplified
noise
as
a
as
an
absolute
don't.
N
L
I
mean
actually
count
the
Casa
Loma
people
are
I
believe
working
to
reduce
the
amplified
noise
that
they
have
there
I
do
think.
The
bigger
issue
which
no
one
is
asking
me
about
is
the
legends
of
horror,
Halloween
event,
for
which
the
municipal
licensing
provides
long
term
noise
exemption
permits
for
two
months.
L
N
L
Last
admission
is
11
p.m.
so
that
means
customers
are
leaving
there
around
midnight
and
congregating
at
the
exit,
which
is
Casa,
Loma
stables
because
they
go
through
the
tunnel
and
and
emerge
outside
of
the
stables,
and
then
they
congregate
there
and
call
uber
and
taxis,
and
so
it's
extremely
noisy
I've
had
small
children.
We
actually
petitioned
the
mayor
to
do
something
about
this.
Within
about
eight
hours,
I
got
over
a
hundred
people
to
sign
this
petition
and
speaking
to
people.
N
E
R
R
E
R
E
R
Music,
penetrating
into
our
condos
from
the
patios
makes
it
impossible
to
sleep,
particularly
Thursdays
through
Sundays.
There
are
many
of
us
whose
functioning
after
a
sleepless
night
is
gay,
greatly
compromised,
I
shared
with
the
committee
at
one
of
the
meetings
about
my
very
sick
husband
and
my
inability
to
make
urgently
needed
medical
and
other
decisions
on
behalf
following
a
sleepless
night,
resulting
from
music
emanating
from
nearby
restaurants
and
bars
who
have
patios.
Similarly,
there
are
examples
of
businesspeople
considering
moving
out
of
Toronto
in
one
instance
with
her
120
employees.
R
If
the
music
from
nearby
patios
makes
for
sleepless
nights
and
her
inability
to
function
maximally
that
day
after
we
can
provide
specifics,
if
needed,
we
will
not
succeed
in
making
Toronto
the
vibrant,
dynamic
City
we
want
if
hotels
have
to
reimburse
their
guests
because
they
couldn't
sleep
again,
we
can
provide
examples.
We
strongly
urge
that
the
bylaws
protect
around
to
residents
and
businesses
by
providing
clear
language
about
the
night
noise
prohibitions
between
the
hours
of
11:00
p.m.
and
9:00
a.m.
and
week
ends
and
11:00
p.m.
and
7:00
a.m.
on
weekdays.
R
We
urge
that
during
these
hours,
patios
be
prohibited
from
using
amplified
sound
and
that,
during
those
hours,
all
sound
be
contained
within
the
walls,
just
as
Chicago
has
so
that
any
music
heard
outside
of
the
walls
of
the
establishment
constitute
a
violation.
The
current
language
that
the
sound
not
be
audible
beyond
the
property
line
of
the
establishment
is
inadequate
since
sound,
while
not
heard
at
the
street
level
can
be
heard.
It
makes
for
a
sound
tunnel,
traveling
upward
and
heard
loudly
in
our
condos
in
Chicago.
R
As
I
said,
the
outdoor
patios
noise
is,
it
is
prohibited
after
10:00
p.m.
they
say
they
get
very
stiff
fines
if
they
don't
obey.
Yes,
a
told
to
go
indoors,
we
suggest
a
penalty
by
the
way
New
York
City
has
similar
bylaws
I
sleep
there
like
a
baby
I
go
there
very
often,
we
suggest
penalties
for
a
first
offense
that
significantly
exceeds
the
current
meaningless
amount.
R
The
second
offense
should
threaten
license
suspension
or
revocation
and
the
least
penalties
be
charged
against
the
owners
and
not
the
corporation's
as
the
current
level
of
the
very
low
penalties,
it
is
not
worth
I
have
it
in
quotes
for
these
establishments
to
obey
the
law.
We
are
addressing
the
issues
of
enforcement
and
penalty
to
this
body,
requesting
that
this
bylaw
committee
consider
including
penalty
levels
within
the
bylaws
proper.
This
could
potentially
serve
as
a
deterrent
to
would-be
offenders
and
possibly
serve
as
an
aid
to
the
already
strained
enforcement
agencies.
H
H
Name
is
Helen
Clark
I
am
a
resident
of
145,
Cumberland
Street
and
a
member
of
the
orc
Phil,
the
residents
anti-noise,
Coalition
and,
of
course,
the
greater
York
for
residents
association
in
the
toronto
noise
coalition,
higher
to
the
city
to
have
the
vision
and
the
courage
to
recognize
the
very
human
issues
of
stress
and
health
related
to
sleep
deprivation
during
the
warmer
months
when
restaurants
and
bars
open
their
patios
amplified,
music
beyond
the
hours
of
11:00
p.m.
often
lasting
beyond,
2
a.m.
makes
it
impossible
to
fall
or
stay
asleep.
H
This
is
further
aggravated
by
the
frequent
revved
up
motorcycles
and
car
engines.
We
have
become
residents
seeking
constant
mitigation
with
the
offending
establishments
awaiting
court
action
in
one
instance
for
three
and
a
half
years
without
having
had
a
hearing
to
date,
the
current
bylaws
must
reflect
more
timely
and
more
meaningful
penalties.
They
are
currently
woefully
ineffective.
H
Establishments
need
to
connect
the
punishment
to
the
fare
and,
with
so
much
time
lapsing
between
the
offense
and
punitive
measures
being
so
minimal.
It
hinders
that
possibility
no
amplified
music
should
be
allowed
after
11:00
p.m.
on
outdoor
patios.
We
have
a
right
to
a
peaceful
night's
sleep
right.
E
R
B
Me
to
finish
please
so
what
you're
asking
for
is
that
we
tell
patrons
at
the
patios
and
there's
a
lot
of
patters
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
that
they
should
go
as
in
Chicago
ten
o'clock,
you're
asking
for
it
11
o'clock
in
Toronto,
and
they
should
stop.
You
know
like
take
their
pick
up
their
food
and
transfer
it
inside
no.
H
Just
no
we're
just
saying
that
the
amplified
music
and
the
power
of
technology
today
has
become
really
abusive
and
we're
asking
trouble
we're
asking.
Maybe
we
need
a
little
bit
of
Education
I
would
say
to
my
family
and
I
would
say
to
my
daughter
and
her
family
that
hey,
we
all
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
considerate,
and
why
not
just
have
your
fun
on
your
patios?
Have
you
have
you,
have
you
parties
but
went
this
loud
amplified,
music?
Why?
Why
do
we?
Why
do
we
need
that
outdoors
after
11
p.m.
well.
B
I
Jerry
one
further
question:
you
know
throughout
Europe
there
is
outside
patios
people
usually
start
going
out
after
ten
o'clock
eleven
o'clock
and
there's
music
and
there's
vibrancy
and
there's
everything
and
in
Toronto,
being
a
multicultural
City,
we're
trying
to
catch
up
what
Europe
is
doing.
Germany.
B
H
B
H
B
R
H
H
Very,
very
it's
built
better
than
any
of
the
standards
that
are
built.
A
date
was
the
first
one
built
in
Yorkville,
and
my
feeling
is
that
when
you
tell
the
people,
oh
well
get
better
windows.
We
have
very
good
windows,
but
if
you
tell
people
to
get
better
windows
that
gives
the
onus
on
other
people
to
expand
their
noise
capability,
because.
H
H
N
N
One
of
the
one
of
the
I
believe
one
of
the
challenges
that
council
wrestles
with
is
the
is
the
amount
of
ore
this
year
number
of
residential
developments,
but
it
against
whether
it's
an
entertainment,
district
or
an
employment
zone
right
and
it's
yeah.
You
know
quite
often
these
it's
not
a
good
mix.
What
I'm
I
just
remember,
probably
about
30
years
ago,
going
down
to
Yorkville
and
I
can't
even
remember
Remy's.
Maybe
he
was
at
one
of
the
places
and
they
had
music
going
till
1:00
in
the
morning.
No.
H
Would
see
that
the
amount
of
population
moving
into
Yorkville
is
unbelievable.
We
love
it,
but
when
these
huge
dent
were
slated
to
be
90
million
people
and
they
got
Greater
Toronto
Area
by
2040,
if
I'm
correct,
I'm
saying
that
we
have
to
think
about
these
issues
because
in
Yorkville
we
have
people
that
has
no
comparison
of
the
people
coming
into
York
Phil
now
and
if
you
compare
it
to
ten
years
ago,
it's
increased
okay.
H
N
E
F
E
Just
before
we
recess,
we
have
a
couple
more
minutes
to
them.
Members
of
the
public
is
we
have
just
if
I
can
have
your
attention
just
for
one.
Second,
we
still
have
another
11
deputies
for
this
high
demand
for
the
next
one.
On
the
ballet
Rob
parlors,
we
have
16
more
now
the
recommendations
from
cities.
Tab
as
he
relates
to
the
item
before
us,
is
to
do
further
consultation.
E
So,
even
though
we
do
appreciate
all
your
comments,
most
likely
we'll
be
meeting
once
again
when
the
reports
in
the
recommendations,
after
those
consultations,
take
place
so
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
that
if
we
can
just
focus
a
little
bit
more
on
des.
What's
on
the
report,
we
understand
compassion
that
you
are
in
terms
of
the
concerns
that
might
as
much
for
you
we're
going
to
recess.
Mr.