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Parks and Environment Committee, meeting 7, October 16, 2015
Agenda and background materials: http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=11004
A
And
welcome
to
meeting
seven
of
the
parks,
Environment
Committee
and
for
those
in
the
room
with
us.
The
screen
at
the
back
of
the
room
which
is
in
this
room
is
this
one.
Maybe
it
is
yes
over
in
the
corner
that
that
provides
ritab,
real-time
updates,
concerning
where
we
are
in
the
agenda.
What's
coming
up
next
and
just
moving
the
minutes
of
the
sono
minutes
from
last
one
and
just
declarations
of
interest.
So
you
none?
Yes,
so
no
minutes!
The
last
meeting.
A
B
A
C
Giving
us
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today
about
this
exciting
part.
Permit
initiative,
so
Toronto
Arts
Council's
strongly
recommend
the
supports
of
recommendations
in
the
report
before
you,
and
indeed,
we've
been
working
closely
with
city
parks
department
on
the
plan
and,
as
you
know,
we
support
from
Mara
Tory
and
city
arts
advocate
councillor
Fillion
Toronto
Arts
Council
in
Toronto,
Arts
Foundation
have
been
developing
this
idea
for
quite
a
few
months
about
a
new
program
for
Arts
in
the
parks.
C
Susan,
Wright
and
I
are
going
to
take
a
few
minutes
of
your
time
to
fill
you
in
on
some
of
the
ideas
and
we're
here
to
answer
your
questions.
So
Toronto,
Arts,
Council
and
Gerard's
foundation
share
the
same
vision,
creative
city
block
by
block,
which
is
essentially
how
to
connect
the
Arts,
the
transformative
power
of
the
Arts
to
all
neighborhoods
across
the
city.
So
arts
in
the
parks
is
designed
to
bring
arts
programming
to
parks
to
every
neighborhood
of
Toronto.
Over
time
we
can't
get
there
immediately.
D
Susan
arts
programming
in
parks
adds
tremendous
value
because
it
reduces
or
eliminates
the
barriers
which
may
prevent
Toronto
families
from
attending
arts
events,
whether
the
barriers
are
financial
or
Geographic
or
whether
they
arise
from
language
difficulties
or
intimidation.
This
program
can
address
them
all
further.
It
will
really
help
arts
groups
grappling
with
a
dearth
of
affordable
programming
space.
As
you
may
recall,
last
year
City
Council
passed
the
motion.
D
C
There
have
been
challenges
which
we've
long
noted
artists
are
not
aware
of
which
of
Toronto's.
Sixteen
hundred
plus
parks
are
suitable
for
programming,
and
this
is
particularly
true
of
parks
outside
the
downtown
core.
The
part
permit
process
has
been
not
clear
to
artists
and
most
of
all,
low
public
awareness
of
programming
in
the
parks,
so
this
arts
in
the
parks
program,
offers
a
really
exciting
solution
to
some
of
these
challenges.
C
So
it's
a
partnership
program
between
12
Arts
Council,
with
funding
the
artists,
Toronto,
Arts,
Foundation,
branding
and
providing
volunteers
for
the
program,
city,
arts
and
cultural
services,
the
music
office
and,
of
course,
a
great
relationship
with
city
parks.
This
pilot
program
will
be
introduced
in
2016
and
will
include
this
new
TAC
animating
Toronto
parks
grant
stream
that
will
allocate
new
funds
to
artists
to
support
events
in
22
parks
outside
the
downtown
core.
C
The
overarching
Arts
in
the
parks
program
will
celebrate
and
promotes
arts
and
music
activities
taking
place
in
at
least
50
parks
throughout
Toronto,
in
both
the
core
of
Toronto
and
the
inner
suburbs.
These
arts
events
will
be
free
to
the
public,
and
the
events,
as
I
mentioned,
will
be
publicized
advertised
branded
on
site
by
Toronto,
Arts,
Foundation
and
hopefully
bringing
more
money
in
from
the
private
sector.
D
Toronto
Arts
online
has
been
redeveloped
and
we
have
a
new
event
mapping
website
which-
and
this
will
have
a
page
specifically
dedicated
to
mapping
arts
in
the
parks
programming.
This
will
be
of
real
benefit
to
Toronto
residents
and
visitors
and,
of
course,
the
arts
groups
themselves
to
promote
their
programming.
C
Finally,
this
program
will
be
governed
by
several
guiding
principles.
Programming
will
be
accessible
to
all
Torontonians
and
celebrate
the
city's
diversity.
The
full
spectrum
of
artistic
expression
and
participation
will
be
encouraged,
and
this
will
be
managed.
The
grants
program
through
the
Toronto
Arts
Council
time-honored
system,
professional
artists
will
be
paid
for
their
work
and
part
property
will
be
respected
and
protected.
C
E
We
have
a
unique
management
plan
for
Grange
Park
in
preparation
and
grange
park,
unlike
any
other
Park
in
Toronto
is
adjacent
to
the
Art
Gallery
of
Ontario.
There
is
going
to
be
in
grange
park
a
lot
of
activities
which
are
once
a
browser
learn
art
related,
but
this
morning
I
want
to
ask
the
committee
to
exclude
specifically
Grange
Park
from
the
terms
of
the
material
it's
been
presented
to
you.
E
We
love
the
idea
of
Art
in
1600
parks
in
Toronto,
actually,
fifteen
hundred
and
ninety-nine
because
of
our
unique
plan
for
managing
both
the
physical
aspects
of
the
park
and
the
programming
aspects
of
it.
We
have
quite
a
successful
structure
for
doing
this
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
parks
department
in
a
year
and
a
half
doesn't
by
accident
as
a
result
of
what
you
decide
here,
use
Grange
Park
as
if
it
were
just
like
the
other
parks,
because
it
isn't
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
to
seem
anti-art
or
antisocial
or
anti
anything.
E
Now
I'm
I'm
asking
you
this
out
of
an
abundance
of
caution
where
something
is
not
specified.
Who
knows
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future?
Is
my
general
theory
of
how
the
city
works
and
that's
why
I'd
like
you
to
specifically
exclude
Grange
Park
from
this
program?
Thank
you.
Oh
questions,
the
terrorism
layer.
E
G
G
So
that's
the
principle
that
we
want
to
emphasize
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
developed
in
the
last
10
years
some
very
specific
permit
criteria
which
we've
asked
parks
department
to
apply
to
any
requests
to
use,
Grange
Park,
so
just
in
short,
I
we've
got
a
max
is
already
sort
of
summarized
a
very
elaborate
program.
We've
got
underway
for
the
park.
G
We
think
that
this
arts
in
the
parks
program,
is
fabulous
and
needs
and
glad
that
is
focused
on
the
outside
of
the
downtown,
because
I
think
that
that's
really
necessary.
But
what
we
don't
want
to
have
happen
is
a
situation
in
which
things
are
imposed
upon
the
park
through
this
or
any
other
program.
G
So
we
would
specifically
like
to
retain
the
principle
of
community
management
and
hen
and
I
know
that
the
parks
department
is
required
to
report
further
on
this
at
some
point
in
the
future,
and
we
want
to
specifically
exclude
grange
park
on
this
activity,
because
we've
already
got
a
whole
system
in
place
for
programming
and
revitalization
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So,
basically,
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
Yeah.
H
G
Maybe
in
the
future,
but
I
think
that
maybe
until
the
community
management
model
report
is
brought
forward
so
that
we
actually
have
a
clear
sense
about
our
role,
the
community's
role
in
the
decision
making
about
the
process,
as
well
as
the
continued
application
of
the
very
specific
permit
criteria
which
is
developed
at
the
park,
such
as
you
know,
no
vehicles
in
the
park.
You
know
you
have
to
hand
cart
stuff
in
sound
amplification,
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
things
that
we
introduced
under
count.
G
A
F
All
right,
I,
just
a
couple
questions
the
stuff
I
actually
want
to
go,
not
in
the
art
in
the
park
section
but
down
to
recommendation.
5
specifically,
this
is
to
authorize.
The
GM
of
pfoa
are
to
continue
to
allow
the
private
event
and
special
venter
up
to
10
in
designated
areas.
It
lists
in
the
attachment
be
those
10
can
we
can
you
expand
on
the
criteria
in
the
process
for
how
those
ten
were
identified
and
if
any
consultation
and
taking
place
with
the
local
councillors
regarding
private
sponsorship?
In
those
events,.
I
Madam
chair,
through
you,
those
parks
are
at
the
size
that
can
hold
large
crowds.
They
have
sufficient
parking
and
they're
removed
from
residential
areas.
So
noise
issues
don't
seem
to
be
a
problem.
So
those
were
our
initial
criteria
and
we
have
also
looked
at
the
level
of
demand
and
they
tend
to
be
those
that
are
most
desired
or
demanded
by
commercial
operators.
I
and.
F
I
F
J
You
just
looking
at
the
report.
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
First
of
all,
on
page
8
of
the
report
in
the
last
paragraph,
commercial,
special
event,
fees
market
rates
that
a
data
the
market
rates
constitute
approximately
ninety
percent
of
the
full
cost.
So
I
was
reading
that
and
I
was
thinking-
oh
we're,
not
recovering
our
full
cost
with
these
events
is
that
am
I
reading
it
wrong
or.
I
J
J
I
I'm
going
to
try
to
explain
it,
but
I'm
gonna
require
some
help
from
legal
in
miracles,
where
I'm
unable
to
so.
There
is
a
number
of
different
bylaws
that
determines
signage
for
in
parks,
as
well
as
for
special
events.
Parks
by
law
says
no
signage
is
allowed.
Unless
there
is
a
permit.
There
is
a
spatial
event-related
section
which
allows
commercial
which
allows
temporary
signage
for
commercial
events,
and
it
also
imposes
a
limitation
on
the
portion
of
it
that
subject
to
commercial
signage.
Sorry.
I
B
Through
you,
madam
chair
is
my
snow
cone.
Yes,
currently
under
the
under
chapter
694
signs
parks
are
sought,
temporary
signs
are
prohibited
in
parks,
signs
are
prohibited
in
parks,
so
they
are
seeking.
Pfn
are
under
recommendation.
Number
4
is
seeking
an
exemption
to
that
prohibition
to
allow
the
general
manager
to
authorize
the
erection
of
temporary
signs
in
conjunction
with
the
issuance
of
a
parts
permit
and.
J
B
J
J
K
There
isn't
a
separate
assessment
document
and
basically
the
the
the
work
that
was
done
with
commercial
event
holders
what
went
smoothly.
It
was
much
appreciated.
The
public
seemed
to
like
it
a
lot
it's
outlined
basically
here
in
the
report,
but
the
events
themselves
seem
to
be
very
well
received.
We
got
good
feedback
afterwards,
we
were
referred.
We
were
reviewing
a
lot
of
those
with
the
actual
councillors
and
whose
wards
those
those
parks
are
situated
and
generally
we
didn't
get
any
negative
feedback.
J
J
D
J
H
D
Through
the
chair,
it
can
certainly
be
in
consultation
with
councillors.
Pfn
are
will
also
be
on
the
committee
with
the
toronto
arts
counselor
to
determine
those
parks
and
those
locations,
so
I
don't
think,
there's
any
reason.
Why
wouldn't
be
in
consultation
with
counselors
and
I,
ask
Claire
Susan
to
comment
if
they
want
to
comment
on
that
further
there's
things
up.
Yes,.
H
D
H
H
Paige
I've
saw
there's
so
many
different
reports
here
on
the
actual
PE
7.1
page
by
hang
on
I'll
go
in
a
minute
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
It
says
that
number
22
owned
her
Arts
Council
will
provide
city
of
toronto
with
a
general
liability
policy
for
two
million
dollars.
But
then
on
page
seven
item
seven,
the
top
of
the
page,
it
says
the
permit
holder
will
be
providing
the
City
of
Toronto
with
the
commercial
insurance.
So
where
is
the
actual
insurance
coming
from
who's
actually
covering
the
insurance?
H
I
I
may
take
that
for
any
events
that
are
sponsored
by
Toronto
Arts
Council
in
order
to
avoid
the
cost
of
the
artist
providing
the
insurance
Toronto,
Arts
Council
will
cover
them
under
their
own
policy
for
any
individual
music
in
park
and
arts
and
park
permits
that
are
initiated
by
the
grassroots
musicians
or
artists
outside
of
Toronto
Arts
Council.
They
will
not
be
subject
to
a
fee,
however.
They'll
have
to
provide
insurance
or
buy
it
on
the
spot
from
our
permit
office.
So.
H
This
is
not
just
restricting
artists
and
musicians
through
the
arts
council
grant
we're
opening
up
to
any
artist
or
musician.
Okay,
that's
good!
Thank
you.
Okay,
bottom
of
page
six,
we're
talking
about
loudspeakers
amplification
and
things
like
that.
I
know
we're
going
to
be
having
a
motion
coming
forward
to
sort
of
limit.
Where
do
you
measure
the
eighty-five
percent
decibels?
H
The
suggestion
is
that
it
could
come
to
the
parks
limit,
but
again
in
a
big
part
that
wouldn't
be
suitable.
So
how
are
we
going
to
be?
We
can
put,
we
can
put
policy
and
process,
but
how
we
gonna
be
governing
this.
For
instance,
if
you
have
a
small
park
and
you
go
across
the
street
to
the
residence
and
it's
more
than
the
eighty-five
percent
Desmond
who's
governing
that
who's,
going
to
make
sure
that
we
don't.
We
have
great
events,
but
we're
not
interfering
with
residents
through.
K
The
chair,
the
report,
outlines
that
the
idea
here
is
that
this
is
without
amplification.
As
soon
as
you
get
into
amplification,
you
start
to
have
the
potential
to
go
over
that
85
decibel
level.
Without
it,
you
tend
not
to
it's
very
difficult
to
measure
and
but,
but
certainly
without
amplification,
that
that
right
away
makes
it
fairly
simple
to
to
govern
as
soon
as
amplification
comes
into
the
equation,
then
we
ask
the
question:
are
you
planning
to
go
over
85
decibels
or
not?
K
H
K
H
Moving
on
very
quickly
page
7
item
8
says
that
we're
going
to
be
issuing
these
pre-approved
locations
will
be
issued
within
a
week
one
week
turnaround.
That's
why
it
sounds
like
a
miracle.
Do
sorry
do
we?
Can
we
actually
really
really
do
that
because
I
know
I'm
having
issues
now
when
I
my
people
getting
their
permit
one
day
before
an
event
and
they've,
given
eight
weeks
notice,
eight.
I
Weeks
notice,
or
is
for
spatially
events
that
require
mouth
of
the
approvals
for
sale
of
food,
construction
of
tents,
serving
alcohol,
amusement
rides
and
and
noise
exemption,
that's
about
certain
decibels
and
because
the
approvals
are
required
from
different
divisions
or
government
organizations
outside
of
PF
NR
or
the
city.
That's
the
8-week
requirement.
H
It
does
sound
wonderful,
but
does
that
mean
that
my
permit
people
aren't
going
to
get
permits
at
all
because
right
now,
as
I
say
they're
getting
them
one
day
before
their
street
party
a
whole
no
event
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
staff
in
place
to
do
what
we
say
we're
going
to
do,
but
not
make
our
own
permits.
We've
got
now
any
worse.
I
That's
a
special
events
permit
that's
outside
the
scope
of
the
music
in
arts
parks
or
arts
in
parks,
pyramid
which
is
promised
a
one-week
quick
iron
around.
We
have
a,
as
you
have
seen
in
the
report,
we're
looking
at
a
process
review
of
that
to
see
if
there
can
be
any
efficiency
is
achieved
by
working
better
with
the
other
divisions
that
issued
the
pyramid
to
bring
the
seven
eight
week
timeline
to
something
that's
more
manageable.
Okay,
very.
H
Quickly,
that's
in
the
plans.
Do
you
have
two
more
very
quick
questions
against
the
same
page
is
talking
about
the
possibility
of
allowing
serving
of
serving
and
selling
of
alcohol
or
allowing
fireworks?
Now
again,
not
all
parks
can
have
alcohol
hi
park
is
not
allowed.
Alcohol
and
I
would
not
and
I
don't
think
my
residence
would
approve
fireworks
in
high
part
because
of
all
the
brush
we
have
and
all
the
trees,
so
those
criteria
would
not
be
a
blanket.
Those
would
be
individual
ones
depending
on
which
parts
were
using.
Is
that
correct?
That's.
I
Correct,
in
fact
alcohol
is
mentioned
here
as
an
exemption.
If
there
is
alcohol
and
any
of
the
conditions
that
are
listed
here,
it's
not
subject:
music
or
arts
in
parks
event,
it
becomes
a
spatial
event
or
a
commercial
spatial
event,
subject
to
a
different
fee
structure
and
process.
So
it's
a
list
there's
an
exemption
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
You
very
much
know
if
this
is
on
or
not
that's
all
now,
so
we've
got
some
some
rather
busy
parks
in
the
inboard,
19
and
and
I'm
just
curious
about
how
we
manage
parts
with
multiple
and
that
may
have
multiple
permits
issued
on
the
same
day.
Currently,
how
are
we
going
to
ensure
that
these
are
urban
parks
that
are
very,
very
busy?
How
are
we
going
to
ensure
that
that
we're
turning
permits
away
now,
because
there's
already
permanent
event?
How
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
the
whole
park?
D
I
threw
the
chair
I'm
just
going
to
start
the
answer,
and
then
maybe
richard
durand
can
add
to
it,
but
I
think
in
the
event
of
parks
that
are
already
quite
busy
and
substantially
programmed
the
regular
permit
review
process
would
would
still
apply.
So
if
there
are
too
many
permits
already
or
too
many
permit
requests
in
a
park,
then
we
wouldn't
be
approving
the
permit,
regardless
of
whether
it
was
an
art
in
the
park
you
know
permit
or
a
music
in
the
park
permit.
L
K
The
chair,
the
permit
office,
our
customer
service
office,
has
good
tracking
of
all
the
permits
that
are
in
the
parks
and
essentially,
if
someone
were
to
ask
them,
can
we
go
for
this
park?
They
might
say
they
have
a
sense
through
the
local
councillor
through
the
post
evaluation
post,
permit
event,
evaluations
that
we
do
with
with
local
field
supervisors.
They
have
a
good
sense
of
you
know.
K
Have
we
have
we
warned
the
welcome
in
the
neighborhood
or
in
the
local
park,
or
not
in
it's
a
bit
of
a
balancing
act,
but
every
time
there's
an
let's
say
there
is
a
permit
in
a
park
every
time.
There's
another
permit
request
that
goes
out
to
the
field
supervisor,
as
well
as
to
the
local
councillor,
then
to
say
we
have
another
request.
K
L
It's
not
uncommon
that
will
get
a
request
for
a
noise,
a
noise
permit
or
an
event
of
municipal
significant
and
we'll
get
it
and
they'll
be
no
time
to
turn
it
around
how
how,
as
the
counselor's
office,
the
expectation
for
me
is
to
consult
with
the
community.
How
can
we
possibly
think
that
we
can
manage
a
one
week
turnaround
when
there's
a
lag
between
your
office
and
my
office,
my
office
in
the
community
community
in
in
my
office,
my
office
to
your
office,
your
communications.
C
L
That,
but
that's
where
we
start
to
arise
with
a
problem,
because
when
we
have
parts
that
are
already
over
permitted
and
there's
no
communication
of
installations,
for
instance
and
I'll
use
this
as
an
example,
there
was
a
request
for
a
noise
permit
for
nuit
blanche.
Called
rave
tapes
might
not
sound
very
very
offensive.
But
when
you,
when
you
scratch
a
tiny
bit
believe
beneath
the
surface,
it
was
and
it's
electronic
dance.
Music
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
it.
L
Wasn't
that
long
ago,
but
but
the
notion
was
the
note-
the
notion
was,
it
didn't
say
anything
about
what
was
going
on.
What
was
going
on
was
they
were
playing
the
soundtrack
from
raves
from
the
90s
all
night
close
to
a
residential
area
and
they
were
seeking
a
noise
permit
and
I
was
put
in
the
position
with
zero
information
about
what
was
going
on
to
put
one
forward.
I
have
better
examples
of
film
permits
that
have
come
for
that
I
wish.
L
I
had
known
what
was
actually
going
on
because
Donaldson
was
hitting
home,
runs
in
Christie
pits
and
I
totally
missed
it.
But
how
are
we
going
to
start
drawing
those
distinctions
when
they're
small
events
when
you're
in
a
park,
that's
overly
already
overly
permited,
like
Trinity
Bellwoods
Park
without
any
consultation?
Local
councillor
seems
a
little
odd
and
off.
L
G
D
Through
through
the
chair,
I
think
you
know
as
as
richard
indicated,
you
know
there
is
an
intuitive
process
that
goes
on
around
over
program
parks.
I
think
in
the
examples
that
you've
given
or
probably
our
most
are
most
you
know
in
demand
and
sought
out
parks
in
a
few
areas
of
the
city.
I
think
we
can
commit
to
managing
those
parks
specifically
so
that,
as
a
result
of
this
project,
they're
not
overrun
with
too
many
permits
that
then
really
would
wouldn't
be
a
successful
outcome
for
the
community.
D
So
we
want
this
project
to
be
as
successful
as
possible
and
if
it
means
a
park
being
over
permit,
then
that
wouldn't
be
successful.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
can
make
the
commitment
to
work.
You
know
with
the
local
councillor
where
there
are
specific
concerns
to
ensure
that
you
know
there's
an
overview
of
all.
The
permits
have
been
requested
in
this
park
for
a
particular
period
of
time,
and
we
can
make
some
decisions
around
the
kinds
of
additional
permits
that
may
or
may
not
be
allowed.
Can.
L
E
K
So
the
way
our
our
office
takes,
that
in
is,
if
there's
amplification,
they
have
to
specify.
Are
they
going
above
85
or
not?
If
they
are
there's
a
pro
there's
a
process
through
MLS
that
they
have
to,
they
have
to
seek
permission
for
it.
Now
we
don't
automatically
agree
to
it.
We
will.
We
will
kick
it
over
to
the
counselor
to
say
how
do
you
feel
about
it.
L
I
K
It
is
a
you
know,
a
sort
of
an
honesty
and
consent
basis.
I
mean
we
do
count
on
them.
To
be
honest
with
us,
we've
got
a
pretty
good
idea
of
when
they're
over
85
and
that's
where
we
we
write
it
up
after
we
have
a
post
event
form
now
that
our
supervisors
will
fill
out
and
we're
going
to
the
local
councillor
and
saying:
did
you
get
complaints,
we're
going
to
the
permit
office
staff
and
asking
if
they've
got
complaints
and
our
own
off
our
own
staff
in
the
field?
K
I
L
I
L
Able
you
won't
have
any
documentation
to
say
that
they
actually
broke
the
permit.
This
is
one
problem.
We're
getting
in
the
weakness
of
our
by
law.
Is
that
there's
never
going
to
be
a
bylaw
officer
out
there,
who's
checking
a
decibel
meter
that
it
just
it
doesn't
work
that
way
unless
we
have
a
paid
person
that
the
organization
which
we
have
done
before
that
that
the
the
the
promoter
or
the
event
organizer
has
someone
off
on
site.
L
K
H
K
The
through
the
chair,
just
to
answer
that
question
I'm
reminded
that,
if
our
permit
staff
in
any
way
in
the
application
process,
feel
that
someone
is
going
to
go
above
85
decibels,
they
notify
the
MLS
office
and
request
that
by
law
staff
will
attend
the
event
that
doesn't
mean
they
always
do,
but
they
will
make
an
attempt
and
it's
on
their
radar.
We
put
it
on
their
radar.
Ok,.
M
Thank
you
so,
first
of
all,
I
think
this
is
a
good
news
report,
especially
for
communities
outside
the
downtown
that
are
sort
of
crying
out
for
more
activities
and
their
parks
and
I
know
that
some
extent
the
opposite
may
be
true
in
the
downtown.
Fortunately,
we
have
some
extremely
diligent
councillors
who
will
be
monitoring
that
I
have
a
number
of
suggested
amendments
that
that
are
just
kind
of
cleaning
up
wording
and
clarifying
intent.
M
That
counselor
just
said
is
taking
carriage
of
the
first
is
to
make
sure
that
oh,
so
the
first
one
is
that
that
for
the
sponsorship
signage,
that
no
percentage
is
specified
in
the
report
and
the
intent
in
consultation
that
I've
had
with
the
department
and
with
the
music
folks,
is
that
it
be
no
more
than
fifty
percent.
So
I
thought,
let's
just
put
that
in
so
it's
clear
to
everybody
and
then
in
on
the
in
the
criteria
section.
M
First
of
all
that
we
add
that
local
councillors
be
consulted
prior
to
any
pre
designation
and
if
there's
any
problems,
they
can
ask
that
the
pre
designation
be
removed.
The
intent
of
any
of
these
new
programs
is
to
make
things
better,
not
to
make
things
worse,
and
if
it's
not
making
things
better
or
wouldn't
make
things
better
than
it
shouldn't
apply
and
in
those
locations
and
the
people
who
know
that
best
are
the
local
councillors.
M
M
As
far
as
the
amplification
is
concerned,
we
need
to
be
clear
on
where
the
85
decibels
is
measured
from.
If
you
measured
85
decibels
from
in
front
of
the
musicians,
speaker
amplifier,
it
would
of
course
be
more
than
85
decibels,
so
we
need
to
measure
it
we're
at
the
point
where
the
noise
is
going
to
bother
somebody
so
at
the
edge
of
the
street,
or
several
councillors
have
mentioned
to
me,
who
have
large
parks
in
the
at
the
edge
of
a
designated
area.
At
which
point
it
would
start
to
bother
other
other
parks
users.
M
You
can
get
an
app
on
your
phone
that
that
measures
decibels
and
you
know
so
we
really
should
be
able
to
hold
the
organizers
of
the
event
and
the
performers
accountable.
For
you
know,
following
the
rules,
it's
very
easy
for
them
to,
even
in
the
sound
check
to
you
know
to
monitor
that
they're.
You
know
to
send
somebody
up
to
the
designated
point
with
an
app
on
your
phone
and
you
can.
You
can
tell
right
away
whether
you're
too
loud
or
not.
M
So
hopefully
everybody
will
be
cooperative
and,
and
all
of
this
will
work
out
well
and
just
as
an
FYI
it,
the
overall
arts
and
the
parks
program
is
going
to
include
all
sorts
of
other
things.
Just
as
an
example,
last
night
was
a
Toronto
Book
Awards
and
speaking
with
a
number
of
publishers
about
the
possibility
of
having
children's
authors
reading
reading
from
their
new
works
and
parks
on
a
Saturday
morning,
and
they
seemed
quite
keen
on
that
idea.
So
there's
going
to
be
all
sorts
of
warm
fuzzy,
things
are
artsy
things
happening
in
parts.
H
H
Questions
of
the
move
on
this
great
motion.
Why
would
you
take
courage
of
that?
Because,
but
the
thing
I
did
add
to
this
actually
I
appreciate
council
Fillion.
Agreeing
completely
was
about
our
large
parks,
if
you
were
to
say
in
High
Park,
for
instance,
that
you
could
have
eighty
five
percent
deficit
decibels
at
the
edge
of
High,
Park,
you're,
probably
interviewing
with
all
the
natural
wildlife
in
the
park
and
all
the
thousands
and
millions
of
people
we
have
in
the
park.
H
So
I
don't
think
I
can
take
the
fencing
down
anymore,
but
maybe
we
could
do
something
where
the
sock
of
pictures
right
now
also
in
high
part,
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
shakespeare
in
the
park
they
come
in
in
a
and
they
stay
till
sep
tember
and
you
can
take
a
picnic
and
you
sit
on
these
used
to
be
hard
rocks.
As
a
VIP,
you
get
a
cushion
and
it's
the
amazing
concert
performances.
H
So
there
are
things
going
on
in
our
parks,
but
I
do
agree.
We
have
to
know
what
is
in
our
parks.
Now
we
can't
over
program.
Our
parks
I
am
concerned
about
is
one
week
turnaround
I'm
concerned
whether
we
can
actually
do
it
or
not,
because,
as
you
heard
me
say,
some
of
my
residents
apply
for
permits.
They
do
the
8
week
notice,
they're
doing
a
street
party
they're
doing
a
whole
bi
a
sidewalk
party
event
and
they
get
their
permit
one
day
before
the
event.
H
So
they
call
me
say
where's,
my
permit
shall
I
actually
organize
this
event.
Can
I
organize
this
event?
Am
I
going
to
be
allowed
to
close
my
street
down?
Am
I
am
I.
You
know,
BIA
is
going
to
be
able
to
put
their
stuff
out,
so
we've
got
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
affect
what
we're
not
doing
now,
which
could
be
even
worse
and
that
if
we're
saying
one
week,
we
do
the
one
week.
If
it's
going
to
take
two
weeks,
let's
say
it's
going
to
take
two
weeks.
H
That
would
also
give
our
counselors
a
little
bit
more
time
to
go
out
and
talk
to
residents.
I
also
am
interested
that
yes,
CalSTRS
must
be
involved
when
it
comes
to
designating
the
parks.
We've
got
to
have
input
as
to
which
parts
we
feel
would
work
and
which
parks
wouldn't
and
then
we've
got
to
meet
criteria
site-specific
as
I
say
hi
park
since
1893
you're
not
allowed
alcohol
in
the
park,
so
I'm
not
going
to
open
up
that
door.
H
Believe
me,
and
also
also
well
john
george
howard-
wouldn't
allow
it
so
that's
it
fireworks
suitable
in
some
places,
not
in
others
down
on
Lakeshore,
possibly
in
a
local
park,
no
way
in
heck.
So,
as
I
said,
we've
got
to
look
at
these
things
now.
One
thing
I
do
want
to
says
the
art
installations
we
had
during
Pan
Am
Games
were
brilliant.
H
Were
amazing,
I
attended
some
down
on
lakeshore,
we
were
doing
along
the
Pan
Am
pathway,
and
it
was
stunning
okay,
it
was
pouring
rain
yeah,
it
was
pouring
rain
and
we
all
went
under
a
gazebo,
a
picnic
area.
We
had
one
or
two
tents
and
we
had
dances
and
dramas,
and
someone
was
painting
a
beautiful
mural.
It
was
stunning,
those
are
the
things
I
envisioned
us.
H
Bringing
in
I
have
a
community
group
right
now
wanting
to
provide
free
programming
to
children,
art
programming
to
children,
they're
going
to
be
coming
to
you
for
some
some
help
and
some
grant
money,
and
that's
the
sort
of
thing
book
reading,
poetry,
reading,
there's
so
many
different
forms
of
art
we
have
in
my
ward.
We
also
have
a
lot
of
film
production.
We
have
a
lot
of
permits
going
into
our
parks
to
use
our
parts
and
on
our
streets.
We
know
how
to
handle
that
most
of
the
time
so
I
think.
H
As
long
as
the
people
coming
in
respect
to
our
parks,
we
can
tell
them
what
we
can
offer
them.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
do
support
it,
but
councillors
have
to
be
in
the
equation.
We
tend
to
know
our
residents.
Well,
we
tend
to
know
the
ones
who
will
step
forward
and
have
an
issue.
So
sometimes
we
can
no
cover
it
street
parties.
For
instance,
we
have
one
street
where
there's
always
one
resident
who
hates
the
noise,
so
the
agreement
is
the
amplifier
is
the
speaker.
It's
always
turned
away
from
that
person's
property.
H
F
One
of
them
refer,
starts
in
the
park
and
the
music
in
the
parks
program
around
Grange
and
the
other
has
to
do
with
the
private
events
and
the
permanent
listing
in
the
removal
of
one.
Let
me
speak
broadly,
first
of
all
in
terms
of
arts
in
the
park
and
the
music
and
Parks
permit
category,
and
this
is
a
good
thing.
I
want
to
acknowledge
off
the
top.
Our
arts
advocate
counselor
Fillion,
as
well
as
staff
and
I
know.
Mike
tanners
here
been
working
hard
on
this
for
a
while.
F
On
the
music
side,
we
want
to
aspire
ways
to
further
animate
our
parks,
as
hubs
for
the
neighborhood
in
the
community
and
in
particular,
to
find
ways
to
do
that
across
the
city.
We
know
that
in
councillor,
fillion
alluded
to
it
off
the
top
that
in
some
downtown
parks,
there's
a
concern
that
there
/
/,
serviced
and
overused,
whereas
across
the
city
there's
a
deducts
as
I
er
to
further
animate
them
and
I.
Think
the
intent
here
of
the
Arts
in
the
program
will
help
to
do
just
that.
F
What
I
like
about
the
Arts
in
the
program
and
the
amendments
that
council,
it
is
said
of
taking
carriage
of
I,
think
helps
to
clarify
and
tweets
and
the
important
pieces.
But
what
I
like
about
it
is
that
some
of
the
principles
around
it
and
Claire
spoke
to
it.
They're,
free,
they're,
accessible
the
artists
get
paid.
That's
a
key
point
here.
Well,
it's
not
lose
sight
of
that.
This
is
actually
artists
get
paid
for
their
work
and
that,
of
course,
a
principle
that
the
parks
have
to
be
maintained.
F
After
the
fact,
these
are
important
guiding
principles
and
ones
that
we
we
shouldn't
just
enough.
Our
snuff
at
they
are
critical
and,
of
course,
also
that
as
part
of
the
contract
in
the
partnership
here
we're
working
with
the
Toronto
Arts
Council.
So
that's
a
pretty
good
implementing
body,
so
I
feel
very
confident
with
the
tweaks
that
we've
proposed
around
the
arts
in
the
park
program,
as
it
relates
to
arts
and
music.
Just
speaking
directly
to
Ward's
of
experience
with.
We,
of
course
have
the
music
garden,
which
does
a
great
deal
of
programming.
F
Vermont
square
and
seton
village
has
an
open
tuning
music
festival
in
the
park.
They
have
a
dance
festival
in
the
park
city
place
down
in
canoe.
Landing
is
cityfest
to
music
festival
in
the
park
this
year.
In
the
spring,
our
office
will
be
hosting
our
first
new
annual
event,
which
will
be
a
music
festival
in
a
ward
20
park.
Mike
Layton
has
his
bike
with
Mike.
Well
we're
having
a
music
festival.
This
is
something
that
we're
looking
to
do
in
consultation
with
the
community.
What
is.
G
F
Sing
with
Joe
Mary
are,
the
I
was
going
to
make
a
joke,
but
I'm
going
to
hold
off
I
would
highlight,
though-
and
this
is
what
I
think
we
had
to
deputed
speak
to
it,
and
one
of
my
motion
speaks
to
it.
Is
we
have
a
pretty
proud
tradition
around
animating,
our
parks
with
art
and
music
and
more
20
in
downtown
Toronto,
but
we
also
have
a
park
which
is
Grange
Park,
which
is
very
unique.
We
have
the
Grange
Park
Advisory
Committee.
F
But
given
how
hard
we're
working
and
given
the
desire
of
the
community
and
the
AGL
and
other
partners,
we
want
to
be
on
the
safe
diet,
just
to
exclude
Grange,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
recommendation
5
in
my
motion
regarding
h2o
Park
recommendation.
5
that's
been
proposed
is
to
allow
private
commercial
events
on
a
permanent
basis
and
in
the
attachment
it
lists
10
parks
on
a
permanent
basis.
F
So
we
did
this
as
a
pilot
project
and
we're
now
being
told
that
on
a
permanent
basis,
these
are
the
parks
to
be
included,
and
this
is
when
this
report
was
provided.
The
first
I'd
heard
of
it
I'm
concerned
that
the
other
Ward's
this
is
the
first
day
of
heard
of
it
I'm
concerned
that
local
residents
that
they
will
have
not
yet
heard
of
it
and
that's
a
problem
for
me.
F
My
I
start
from
a
basis,
obviously
that
we
have
areas
of
part
deficiency
that
we
have
areas
of
high
density
and
that
I
am
NOT
opposed
in
absolute
terms
to
a
private
commercial
event
in
a
park.
But
I
want
to
review
that
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
along
with
the
neighborhood,
because
I
have
had
concerns
about
this
pilot
project
from
h2o
park.
The
report
does
not
speak
to
that,
and
so,
for
those
reasons
I
am
specifically
asking
to
remove
h2o
park
from
the
permanent
list.
F
I'm
happy
to
look
at
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis
with
the
community,
but
the
notion
that
it
can
be
permanently
added
without
any
consultation.
Frankly,
isn't
good
enough,
and
so
with
that
I'm
and
with
those
amendments
I'm
very
excited
to
support
this
program.
I
think
the
arts
in
the
park
program
is
going
to
be
wonderful.
I'm
going
to
join
councillor
fillion
for
some
of
those
Saturday
morning,
readings
both
for
children's
literature
and
adult
literature,
which
I
know
will
be
soon
published
by
councillor
Fillion
next
week.
I
believe-
and
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
initiative.
J
J
Our
parks
and
I
worry
I
worry
that,
while
we're
doing
a
great
thing
for
the
Arts
were
not
solving
the
problem
for
people
who
live
in
the
neighborhoods
around
parks
and
who
volunteer
in
them,
I've
had
a
couple
of
experiences.
Lately,
community
organization,
in
my
ward,
held
a
big
festival
to
celebrate
the
25th
anniversary
of
a
park
being
opened
in
what
used
to
be
a
TTC
bus
garage
and
they
had
to
spend
thousands
of
dollars
of
their
own
money.
J
Organizing
the
permits,
organizing
the
insurance,
getting
through
all
the
hurdles
and
there
they're
justifiably
frustrated
and
I
wonder
if
animating
parks
for
the
local
community
is,
is
a
low
priority
relative
to
this.
If
we're
really
done
our
job.
Well,
that
being
said,
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
further,
what's
really
at
the
root
of
our
inability
to
make
it
easy
for
community
groups
to
permit
our
parks,
it's
a
financial
problem.
It's
because
we
as
a
city
don't
have
limitless
resources
to
backstop
insurance
and
to
pay
all
the
costs
associated
with
big
events
and
parks.
J
So
we
have
to
off
load
it
into
people
who
permit
them.
That's
a
resource
issue.
That's
a
money
issue.
I
think
we,
as
a
members
of
the
parks
committee,
have
to
become
better
advocates
at
City
Council
for
making
sure
we
adequately
finance
and
fund
activities
in
our
parks.
I
was
profoundly
disappointed
at
the
last
council
meeting.
J
That
council
didn't
share
the
view
of
this
committee,
that
that
has
to
be
a
priority,
and
we
have
to
make
it
clear
to
the
chief
financial
officer
in
the
city
manager
that
Council
believes
funding
for
Parks
has
to
be
a
priority.
So
I'm
going
to
be
keeping
my
eye
on
the
budget
proposals
that
come
from
the
city
manager
this
round
to
see
whether
or
not
we're
addressing
that
underlying
problem.
We
don't
have
enough
money
to
support
events
in
our
parks.
J
We
simply
don't
and
particularly
I'm,
going
to
be
keeping
my
eye
on
the
user
fees
associated
with
commercial
events
in
the
parks,
I'm
profoundly
disturbed
to
learn
that
we
don't
recover
the
full
cost
to
the
city
of
those
commercial
events.
How
on
earth
can
we
tell
members
of
the
public
know?
Your
volunteer
group
has
to
come
up
with
cash
because
we
don't
have
enough
money
to
backstop
your
event,
but
we
do
have
enough
money
to
subsidize
on
a
corporate
basis
for
profit
organizations
making
use
of
our
parks.
L
You
very
much
when
I'm
as
a
chair,
I
have
a
motion
that
the
criteria
set
out
in
staff
report
respecting
music
and
parts
and
art
in
the
park
be
amended
by
adding,
in
consultation
with
the
local
city,
councillor
parks,
forestry
and
Recreation
staff.
Consider
a
cap
on
the
number
of
permits
issued
on
any
single
day
or
year
in
a
single
park.
I'll
speak
to
that
in
a
second
I
wanted
to
first.
L
Thank
my
colleague,
councillor
perks
for
pointing
out
two
things:
one,
that
how
can
we
have
a
user
fee
policy
that
expects
costs
or
cut
is
developed
on
a
cost
recovery
basis.
We
apply
that
that
formula
for
for
volunteer
community
groups,
and
yet
we
we
aren't
applying
that
formula
to
its
fullest
extent
for
court.
L
That
that
and
I
appreciate
that
we
want
this
program
to
bring
arts
to
other
parts
of
the
city,
but
part
of
the
reality
is
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
more
applications
for
just
a
handful
of
parts,
not
if
just
one
or
two
parks
in
my
ward,
rather
than
the
the
20
parks
that
exist
and
so
I,
don't
think
in
and
of
itself.
It's
going
to
provide
that
movement,
but
with
support
from
the
TAC
and
from
some
activations.
Maybe
that
will
change
and
I
sincerely
hope.
L
That's
the
case,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
events
in
some
downtown
parks.
A
lot
of
great
events,
a
lot
of
great
events,
a
lot
of
loud
events.
We
got
a
lot
of
events
that
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
appreciate.
But
when
you
start
stacking
events
on
events,
it's
going
to
fall
down
and
when
you
start
having
battles
between
two
separate
yet
equally
entertaining
drumming
groups
going
on
in
the
same
park,
neither
which
their
permits
by
the
way
permitted.
L
But
when
you're
going
at
you
and
when
you're,
going
on
the
honor
system
and
Mike
knows
mr.
Tanner
knows
this:
he'll
go
into
a
club
and
they'll
say:
don't
turn
turn
it
up.
Don't
touch
this
soundboard
and
you
know
what
they
do.
Their
sound
guy
comes
on
and
they
turn
everything
up
and
that's
the
reality
of
it.
We're
where
we
have
MLS
official
that
are
monitoring
this
at
at
the
garrison
common
in
Fort
York,
which
we
have
very
successful
events
at.
L
They
simply
move
the
point
where
they
were
testing
and
my
complaints
shot
up
by
about
a
hundred
for
one
event.
At
that
same
particular
event,
where
bands
were
told
they
had
to
vacate
the
stage
by
eleven
o'clock
they
spent
their
own
court
went
well,
be
it
well
past
that
date
and
my
my
residence
knew
exactly
the
minute
they
should
have
been
off
and
I
started
getting
emails
exactly
two
minutes
later
and
and
that's
because
they
they
are
one
of
those
communities
that
are
surrounding
one
of
these
great
outdoor
venues.
L
But
they
have
these
weekend
long
festivals,
every
single
weekend
and
it's
fine
to
say
they
move
downtown.
They
move
next
to
apartment
or
how
should
have
expected
that
that
area
location
was
in
fact
a
tree
nursery
when
they
bought
their
units.
It
was
not
a
giant
stage,
so
we
have
to
find
a
balance
in
some
respect
and,
that's
not
to
say
we're,
going
to
shut
these
music
events
down.
L
I
love
the
field
trips,
probably
one
of
toronto's
marquee
and
should
be
one
of
toronto's
shining
I
pearls,
whatever
it's
some
great,
so
we've
got,
we've
got
a
we've
got
to
get
around
get
around
this
issue
and
figure
out
this
issue
of
enforcement
around
the
sound
because
I
can
when,
when
we
go
back
and
our
community
says
well,
we
have
them,
they
were
too
loud.
They
went
past
their
time
unless
we
have
some
documented
evidence
of
it.
L
We're
going
to
be
in
a
really
tricky
situation,
because
there
are
going
to
be
those
that
say:
oh
they
they
clearly
weren't
loud
and
those
that
said
that
they
were
loud
and
then
then,
why
would?
How
can
we
rightfully
impose
a
ban
when
there's
a
question
mark
still
hanging
over
it?
I'll
leave
my
remarks
at
that.
I
think
that
we
should
make
it
easier
for
for
people
that
put
to
activate
parks
in
this
way.
I
just
hope.
It's
not
the
same.
Two
parks.
C
L
A
L
I
think
that
this
probably
can
be
done
on
it's
probably
an
ongoing
thing
that,
as
as
events
start
to
stack
up
in
certain
locations,
that
with
the
local
councillor
and
probably
the
local,
the
local
stewardship
group
will
call
them
that
will
have
to
develop
something
around
that
until
this
becomes
a
problem.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
local
councillors
will
get
some
influence
over
this
right.
Thank.
A
You,
okay,
so
I'll
just
move
my
emotion
here
as
well,
and
this
is
in
regard
to
number
four
and
councillor
perks
you
made
mention
to
that.
So
this
one
will
come
back
in
November
and
so
the
general
manager
parks,
forests
and
Recreation
report
back
on
November
23rd,
the
parks
Environment
Committee,
with
recommendation
to
approve
the
sign
related
amendment
to
Municipal
Code
608,
and
that
will
that's
a
contained
attachment,
see
or
the
report.
We
can
read
the
rest
there
so
that
way,
we'll
we'll
has
to
be
public
notice.
A
That
will
come
back
and
so
I'm
also
going
to
be
supporting
all
the
motions
here
today
and
I'll
concur
with
my
members
of
the
committee
and
thank
councillor
Fillion
and
Toronto
Arts
Council,
which
I
was
a
member
of
so
amazing
work
as
usual.
Continued
work,
I'm
not
no
longer
on,
but
hopefully
again
just
on
many
many
committees.
Right
now,
but
amazing
work
that
you
do
and
thanks
to
councillor
Fillion
and
an
hour
staff
and
making
this
work
especially
branching
out
to
not
the
downtown
but
I
know
there.
A
They
are
busy
with
their
with
their
parks
but
coming
out
and
branching
out
it'll.
Be
amazing,
work,
and
especially
some
of
the
ones
that
staff
were
mentioning
as
well,
that
many
of
these,
these
other
parks
that,
where
there's
no
surrounding
community
and
looking
at
that,
that
these
decimals
the
noise
level
won't
be
an
issue
I
myself
too,
when
I
have
events
in
my
area,
then
I
usually
hear
the
next
day
as
well,
so
MLS
cannot
always
be
there,
but
then
we
take
note
and
we
either
approve
or
not
approve
and
staffer.
A
At
least
Amaya
have
always
been
amazing
and
getting
back
to
me
and
asking
my
input
or
reflection
after
I've
heard
complaints
after
any
any
event,
actually
not
just
in
a
park,
but
any
of
the
events
that
I
have
in
my
word,
so
I've
actually
had
a
great
relationship
with
staff
and
and
their
feedback
and
have
had
that
relationship.
So
I
can
only
speak
for
my
scar
area,
but
I
do
think
staff
and
all
their
work
on
this,
and
I
think
that
can
we
vote
on
this
as
a
package.
A
If
everybody
is
in
agreement
with
all
of
these
motions,
can
we
do
that?
Okay,
great
okay?
So
all
those
in
favor
a
code?
Yes,
it
is
unanimous,
thank
you
so
much
and
that
carries
an
item
as
amended
and
you
have
second
so
thank
you
so
much
and
thanks
for
already
coming
out
today
on
Friday
morning
and
thanks
so
much.