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Planning and Growth Management Committee, meeting 23, October 12, 2017 - Part 2 of 2 - Afternoon Session
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Asking
you
I'm
asking
staff
promised
the
deputies
that
I
would
ask
this
question.
So
I
asked
mr.
all
intern
as
to
whether
or
not
in
the
March
iteration
was
basically
it
wasn't
really
an
interim
as
if
we're
just
starting.
It
was
pretty
well
the
final
report,
but
it
came
here
for
a
large
amount
of
public
input
prior
to
the
actual
final,
would
I
be
right
to
say
that
through.
C
The
chair,
the
March
round
with
the
stakeholder
Advisory
Committee
and
the
Luwak
the
landowners
Advisory
Committee
was
the
I
would
call
the
final
round
we
presented
deck
containing
the
information
that
has
found
its
way
into
the
final
report.
A
an
interim
report
was
produced
for
planning
and
growth
management
committee
in
June
at
the
June
meeting
and
went
to
City
Council
in
July.
So
really
just
to
repeat
it
was
the
cult.
The
March
round
was
the
culmination
the
final
stakeholder
round.
C
It's
it
was
taken
and
put
into
a
report
for
the
June
PGM
meeting
went
to
council
in
July
and
we
have
since
and
that
you
can
imagine
the
production
of
something
like
this
is
quite
extensive
and
has
taken
months
to
actually
produce
the
documentation
and
and
finalize
the
material.
There
are
one
or
two
between
the
July
version
and
the
version
you
have
in
front
of
you.
C
B
B
C
B
C
D
D
Additional
public
effort
will
be
made
to
advance
other
affordable
housing
opportunities
which
could
include
rent,
dr2
income,
housing,
cooperative
housing
or
other
supportive
housing
through
the
interim
report
and
the
decision
on
that
staff,
as
well
as
Waterfront
Toronto,
receive
directions
to
explore
the
opportunities
for
additional,
affordable
housing
within
Villiers
Island,
and
that
process
is
now
getting
underway
through
what
we
call
the
e-business
and
implementation
plan.
Thank.
E
E
That
does
not
mean
that,
of
course,
the
province
does
not
have
an
interest
in
land
as
being
the
sole
shareholder
of
the
company,
but
in
terms
of
title
as
I
said,
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
to
see
title
actually
in
the
name
of
the
corporation,
but
then
through
the
corporate
ownership
under
the
control
of
the
province
through
the
Corporations
Act.
Do.
E
Are
some?
There
are
in
fact
some
pieces
of
TTC
lands
that
are
actually
in
Toronto
Transit,
Commission
name,
but
for
the
most
part,
it's
in
the
the
city's
name
and,
of
course,
there's
Toronto
Community
Housing,
which
is
under
the
housing
corporations
name.
So
it
does
vary
from
corporation
to
corporation
they're.
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B
A
C
Through
the
chair,
the
residential
mixed-use
residential
manifests
itself
in
several
ways.
The
the
the
first
precinct
plan
for
Villiers
Island
is
traditional
mixed
use,
neighborhood
with
residential
permission,
extensive
residential
permission.
There
are
two
other
precincts
that
are
planned
for
residential,
the
McCleary
district
and
South
River
districts.
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F
C
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F
C
C
C
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C
The
the
larger
report
who
you
threw
the
chair,
councillor
Campbell,
the
larger
report-
has
a
land-use
schedule
in
it,
which
is
one
of
the
which
is
found
on
page
96
and
when
you,
when
you
correlate
the
two
for
example,
the
warehouse
district
is
a
broad
range
of
light.
Industrial
uses
and
production
uses
production
uses
are
widely
permitted
in
the
Portland's.
C
Some
areas,
such
as
8
&
9,
are
our
heavier
port
and
industrial
uses,
and
then
they
do
get
lighter
as
you
get
closer
to
mixed-use,
so
they
would
be
put
what
we
call
production,
creative
and
interactive
uses,
which
would
allow
for
a
very
wide
range
of
creative
industries
such
as
film,
but
way
beyond
film,
as
well.
Thank.
F
D
Through
the
chair,
we've
identified
a
few
potential.
Sorry
to
the
chair.
We've
identified
a
few
potential
options
for
where
an
arena
could
potentially
be
located.
One
would
be
in
the
warehouse
district.
Another
potential
location
would
be
in
the
her
in
itself.
There
were
funds
that
were
earmarked
some
time
ago
in
any
redevelopment
of
the
Hearn,
for
that
and
another
potential
location
is
south
of
Unwin
Avenue
in
proximity
to
Cherry,
Street
and.
A
D
So
I've
just
put
up
a
screen
of
the
the
land
or
sorry
the
land
ownership
in
the
area,
which
has
the
street
network
overlaid
on
it.
So
the
existing
Pinewood
Toronto
Studios
lands
are
located
in
this
vicinity.
Here
we
did
extensive
due
diligence
work
with
Pinewood
tronic
studios
on
the
broad
view,
extension
alignment
to
ensure
that
the
the
alignment
would
not
impact
any
of
the
existing
studio
operations.
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So
the
broad
view
extension
does
not
impede
or
impact
that
in
any
way,
the
primary
concern
that
has
been
raised
and
that
continues
to
be
raised
as
I
understand
it
from
high
Mitrano
studios
is
the
impact
to
the
potential
develop
ability
of
that
particular
site,
and
we
have
continued
to
reinforce
that
ongoing
discussions
will
be
occurring
with
respect
to
the
lands
required
to
accommodate
the
broad
view
extension
as
we
move
forward
into
detailed
design.
I.
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C
The
pulls
up
the
plan,
the
schedules
in
the
central
waterfront
plan
are
proposed
to
be
changed
and
that's
the
that's
the
screen
that
we
had
this
morning
that
highlighted
nine
specific
changes
to
those
maps
that
included,
for
example,
adding
in
the
water,
the
the
naturalized
river
mouth.
Expanding
the
Clery
Park
allocating
certain
geography
for
open
space.
C
The
the
underlying
designation
and
the
central
waterfront
plan
remains,
which
is
regeneration
area.
The
rest
of
the
changes
that
are
being
proposed
in
the
modification
are
basically
a
policy
amendment
they're,
adding
a
policy
amendment
of
some
40-odd
pages,
which
gives
you
a
policy
text
which
allows
which
would
guide
the
future
development
of
the
land
and
miss
Ritz
can
highlight
the
you
know
the
nature
of
what
that
policy.
10.
A
D
D
So
what
we
have
done
is
we've
taken
the
broad
permissions
that
are
allowed
for
in
the
regeneration
areas,
designations
and
we've
identified,
where
it
would
be
desirable
to
locate
those
so,
for
instance,
in
Villiers
Island,
we've
identified
it
as
a
mixed-use
residential
area,
which
would
also
have
broad
permissions
for
institutional
commercial
recreational
uses
as
well
in
the
media
city
and
the
turning
basin
districts
that
are
located
south
of
commissioners
Street.
That
allows
for
a
number
of
regeneration
area
uses,
with
the
exception
of
residential
permissions
and
then
in
the
balance
of
the
lands.
D
We
are
earmarking
a
lot
of
the
lands
for
continued
port
and
industrial
uses
which
likewise
are
permitted,
uses
in
the
regeneration
areas
designation.
So
it's
more
about
allocating
where
certain
land
uses
should
go
to
ensure
there's
compatibility
over
the
long
term
and
that
we're
achieving
the
city
building
objectives
that
we
see
for
the
Portland's.
My.
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F
You
mr.
chair,
how
much
how
much
land
is
currently
being
used
by
the
film
industry,
because
there
is
that
there's
a
map
so
I
had
my
map
out.
It
shows
the
current
state
of
affairs
and
where
the
ownership
lies
and
usage,
it's
excellent.
So
it's
on
slide
to
film
and
film
related.
It's
there,
the
yellow
patches.
D
The
chair,
I'm
gonna,
just
give
a
broad
estimate
of
the
approximate
acreage
of
land,
but
I
would
say
the
existing
studio
uses
would
probably
comprise
anywhere
between
30
35
to
40
acres
of
land.
Okay
in
the
area,
there
is
no
single
within
the
the
plan
for
the
Portland's
we're
not
allocating
or
targeting
any
particular
area
specific
for
one
studio
use,
but
there
is
an
emphasis
placed
on
productions.
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F
D
G
F
D
H
D
F
A
A
A
But
we're
trying
to
see
I
guess
for
my
questions
of
my
colleague
how
much
land
here
could
actually
be
film
related
land.
So
if
why
don't
we
have
a
slide,
then
that
actually
shows
the
similar
thing
with
colors
as
far
as
where
could
go
in
the
proposal,
because
it's
hard
for
me
to
envision
all
the
lands
that
currently
are
there
and
where
the
new
lands
are
that
whether
they're
called
a
different
district
but
could
be
film
related
districts
and
I.
Think
the
question
coming
from
my
colleague
and
myself
is
how
much
land
are.
C
C
A
I'm
sorry
I'm
just
a
simple
person
and
can't
see
it
in
colors
here
so
I
I'm,
that's
room
kind
of
lost
us
too
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
question
was,
and
some
of
the
deputies
were
talking
about
the
amount
of
land
that
could
be
habitable
or
places
for
people
to
live
in
comparison
to
this.
So
you
came
up
with
a
statistic
of
30%
of
the
developable
land.
Was
that
the
words
you
use.
D
A
A
D
A
Don't
stop
my
own
time,
while
you're
doing
that
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
much
land
is
there?
How
much
is
developable
land
of
that
developable
land?
What
percentage
then
so
I
understand
that
then
is
gonna,
be
a
residential,
so
I
also
understand
what
percentage
of
all
the
land
is
residential
and
then
the
other
part
is
what
percentage
of
the
land
do
we
already
own.
D
So,
just
to
clarify
I've
calculated
the
the
net
developable
area-
that's
municipal,
II,
owned
I
would
have
to
do
some
additional
math
in
order
to
calculate
all
of
the
developable
area,
but
it
would
be
roughly
70
70
hectares
of
land
that
is
developable
net
municipal
developer
land
and
I
would
have
to
also
do
some
additional
calculations.
With
respect
to
how
much
of
that
net
municipal
net
municipal
developable
land
would
be
allocated
to
productions,
interactive
and
creative,
but
there's.
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A
D
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D
B
A
B
B
B
B
B
D
B
B
B
Acres
that
currently
is
dedicated
in
that
way
over
the
50
years.
Is
there
a
contemplation?
Let's
look
at
the
south
side
of
the
ship
channel
that
those
salt
piles
that
at
some
point
we
would
be
opening
that
up
for
residential
there'll
be
a
subsequent
if
we're
moving
those,
though
that
would
be
opened
up
at
some
point
in
the
future,
for
residential.
D
B
So
this
is
the
long-term
stress,
so
that
would
have
to
be
determined.
Then
the
other
thing
is
our
house.
Mr.
Lyne
turn
that,
with
the
Unilever
master
plan
that
the
city
has
agreed
to
for
its
68
acres
and
its
strategic
employment
piece
that
there
are
uses
there,
city
uses
such
as
our
waste
transfer,
such
as
our
Parks
Department
MLS,
that
are
going
to
need
to
be
relocated,
is.
C
There
a
thought
the
idea
is
to
make
better
use
of
the
land
south
of
the
ship
channel
channel
for
both
rationalizing
the
salt
piles
and
then
freeing
up
more
land
so
that
we
can
move
city
serving
uses
down
south
of
the
ship
channel
as
well.
So
the
booth
yard,
for
example.
And
then,
if
you
follow
me,
the
dominoes
fall
and
that
frees
up
a
city
land
in
the
Unilever
precinct
for
redevelopment
purposes
for
uses.
If.
B
C
B
B
B
B
A
B
I
will
have
more
motions,
I'll
be
moving
at
counseling,
particularly
around
Marine
Terminal,
35,
Ontario,
Power
Generation
and
the
Hearn
establishing
what
that
Goods
movement
would
look
like
that,
as
articulated
here
and
perhaps
more
around
affordable
housing
I
want
to
go
back
and
say
this
is
a
50-year
plan.
It
is
a
50-year
plan
and
we
have
to
that
means.
B
50
years,
that's
2067
when
we
would
think
about
the
final
build
out
of
the
Portland's
and
it's
not
going
to
look
immediately
I
believe,
like
total
framework,
but
that
is
our
first
phase
of
the
Portland's
build
out.
I
want
to
thank
very
much
and
congratulate
miss
Ritz
and
Matt
Santos
their
hard
work
in
developing
these
massive
documents
and
working
with
the
two
stakeholder
groups.
Working
with
those
who
have
been
very
interested
working
with
all
of
councillors
have
been
interested
in
this.
It's
quite
amazing
and
to
say
number
one.
B
We
have
the
Portland's
planning
framework,
which
is
the
first
time
we've
had
that
we
had
one
2005.
That
was
not
a
formal
established
one,
and
now
we
have
one
that
has
been
very,
very
rigorous.
We
look
together,
but
the
real
thing
here
today
is
our
approval
of
the
Villiers
Island
precinct
plan
and
we
have
not
spent
a
lot
of
time,
thinking
about
that
which
Waterfront
Toronto
will
be
taking
and
starting
to
actually
put
into
practice
once
that
1.2
billion
dollars
for
the
river
naturalisation
and
goes
to
work
and
we
create
the
new
river
mouth.
B
B
That's
there
and
one
of
the
goals
of
this
plan
is
to
accentuate
parkland,
so
it
is
the
last
the
last
hurrah
for
that
kind
of
thing
and
along
our
waterfront,
so
I'm
very
excited
about
that
100,
acres
about
the
4,800
units
and
the
new
River
and
the
Greenway
that
will
be
accomplished
there
and
I
think
that
that
will
be
a
very
exciting
thing.
I
am
very
interested
in
affordable
housing
on
this
site.
B
I
think
everybody
knows
that
I'm
interested
in
trying
to
ensure
we
get
some
rent
geared
to
income
on
the
waterfront
I,
do
not
think
outside
of
the
TCH
see
at
Bathurst
II
and
perhaps
one
other
spot
that
there's
really
any
people
that
live
rent
gear
to
income
on
the
waterfront.
At
this
point,
so
that
is
a
goal
of
mine
I
think
everybody
has
heard
that
I
was
concerned
today
to
hear
that
OPG
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
still
here
but
doesn't
thinks
that
that
is
their
land.
B
We
did
have
a
time
when
Toronto
Portland's
corporation
thought
that
was
there
not
the
city's
land
and
those
days
are
gone.
We
understand
that
we
are
the
shareholder,
the
owner.
They
are
holding
that
land
and
I
think
it's
time
that
that
the
province
of
Ontario
made
it
clear
that
at
some
point,
they'll
be
bringing
those
40
acres
that
the
Hearn
sits
on
to
the
table
for
waterfront
planning.
And
it
concerns
me
that
Waterfront
Toronto,
which
is
a
tri
government
group,.
B
Is
not
able
to
get
that
from
one
of
its
government
partners
that
would
be
the
province
of
Ontario
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
wrap
that
up,
say
that's
40,
acres
and
councillor
Campbell
I
understand
was
talking
about
the
development.
Our
lands
will
be
planned,
they
may
be
sold,
but
we
will
know
what
we
want
on
there.
That
I
believe
the
province
should
not
dispose
of
that
until
we've
had
a
chance
to
actually
look
at
that
I'm
going
to.
A
I
B
That
the
have
Unilever
site
has
created
a
pressure
regarding
film
studios
and
part
of
this
exercise
there.
The
city
has
to
be
looking
at
where
we
could
accommodate
any
student
any
further
studios
in
this
large
area
that
wouldn't
be
set
aside
for
residential
as
part
of
our
requirements,
economic
development
requirements.
B
B
A
B
A
B
F
H
You
mr.
chair
I,
do
have
a
motion
that
I'd
like
to
put
up,
and
it
reads
that
the
public
meeting
for
the
Portland's
planning
initiatives
a
final
report
be
adjourned
until
November
15
2017
planning
your
oath
management
committee
meeting
at
10:30
a.m.
I
shared
a
little
bit
of
the
sentiment
of
councillor
Campbell
I
really
want
an
opportunity
to
sit
down
with
staff.
H
My
colleagues,
maybe
even
some
of
those
that
came
here
today,
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
it
right
and
I
do
want
to
echo
that
I
think
the
Planning
Department
here
has
to
be
commended
on
the
sheer
amount
of
work
and
volume
they've
done
here.
This
is
this
is
great
work,
but
I
like
an
opportunity
to
fully
understand
it
before
I
give
a
recommendation
to
Council
on
how
we
move
forward
with
this.
So
that
is
my
motion.
Mr.
chair,
thank.
A
You
there
is
a
question
of
you:
I
can.
Oh
I
have
to
advise
committee
that
if
the
motion
carries
staff
wrote
this
at
no
further
notice
of
the
continuation,
the
statutory
public
meeting
will
be
given.
The
public
meeting
will
continue
on
November
15
2017
at
10:30
a.m.
deputy,
since
that
who
have
spoken
today
are
not
allowed
to
speak
again
on
November
15.
Unless
city
staff
submit
a
supplementary
report.
A
So
I
think
the
councilors
intention
is
to
defer
this
to
have
an
opportunity
to
meet
between
now
and
the
November
meeting
with
staff
and
then
to
continue
with
a
meeting
at
that
time
without
having
additional
public,
deputations
and
I,
don't
believe
he's
looking
or
he
hasn't
asked
for
any
further
recommendations
to
come.
Councilor
perks,
you
had
a
question.
J
H
H
That's
in
here
and
I
did
not
when
it
was
originally
put
forward
in
in
June,
get
into
the
finer
details
of
it
I'm
not
asking
for
you
know
three
month
or
six
month,
you
know
deferral
I'm,
asking
for
30
days,
so
I
can
speak
to
the
local
councillor,
speak
to
the
Planning
Department
and
make
sure
that
I
know
this
inside
now
it
again
it's
a
50
year
plan
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
form
follows
function.
When
we
put
these
policies
in
place
for
the
next
50
years,.
J
J
J
I'm
going
to
strongly
encourage
members
of
the
committee
not
to
support
councillor
D
chiana's
motion.
Members
of
the
public
have
come
here
today
to
give
us
their
five
cents
on
what
they
think
and
so
that
they
can
observe
the
debate
in
the
room.
If
we
do
it
the
way
councillor
D
Giano
is
suggesting
there
kind
of
it
comes
back
here,
no
further
deputation,
no
nothing
further.
As
I
as
I
indicated
during
my
questions
and
mr.
Lin
turn
talk
this
would
these.
J
When
I
saw
the
size
of
this
report,
I
mean
I
made
sure
I
found
time,
knowing
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
final
report
coming
to
understand
what
was
in
there,
that's
my
duty
if
the
the
councillor
has
smaller
questions,
he's
got
from
now
until
council.
You
know
three
full
weeks
to
go
and
discuss
this
with
staff
with
the
local
councillor.
J
A
A
A
I've
looked
at
it
and
our
staff
do
we
really
have
to
put
the
works
yards
where
they
may
be
proposed,
and
why
not
residential
those
areas
and
come
back
and
forth
in
trying
to
understand
the
depth
of
this
plan?
And
it's
substantial
and
it's
unique
and
it's
a
long-term
plan.
My
colleague
councillor
to
Chiana,
wanted
to
defer
it
often
to
the
new
year
when
he
first
mentioned
it
to
me
and
I,
said
I.
A
Think
staff
have
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this
and
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
move
forward
with
it
and
the
question
was:
can
we
then
consider
it
with
a
better
understanding
of
it?
After
today's
presentations
in
November
I
am
going
to
support
that
I
know.
My
colleague,
council
Fletcher,
isn't
crazy
about
that,
but
I
think
it
allows
him
the
opportunity
to
to
ask
his
questions
to
understand
it
councillor.
A
If
you
have
ways
to
deal
with
the
issues
that
we're
still
out
there,
maybe
we
can
consider
them
at
that
time
and
give
a
fulsome
recommendation
to
Council.
Instead
of
having
the
discussion
there
and
I
understand
councillor
perks,
even
from
your
comments
that
you've
been
able
to
read
it
and
understand
it
and
I
appreciate
that.
But
if
one
of
our
colleagues
would
like
to
know
a
little
bit
better
I,
don't
think
after
all,
this
work,
then
holding
it
up
for
four
more
weeks
to
come
back
here,
not
for
deputations,
not
for
new
reports.
A
Not
for
that,
but
for
the
ability
for
them
and
myself
because
I
have
some
questions.
I
will
be
asking
some
to
look
further
at
it.
In
between
there
and
give
it
our
wholehearted
support,
hopefully
the
next
meeting
would
be
great.
It's
a
long
agenda,
then.
So
that's
why
the
recommendation
was
to
bring
it
to
January,
but
I
felt
it's
so
important.
A
A
Let
the
clerk
check
and
you
can
check
through
my
office
or
the
clerk's
office,
as
you
wish-
thank
you
for
letting
us
know.
So.
The
motion
from
counselor
Deanna
to
adjourn
the
meeting,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
that
carries,
but
I
do
thank
everyone
for
coming.
We
will
be
discussing
it.
There
is
a
time
set
for
its
next
meeting
and,
as
I
said
at
the
beginning
of
it,
you
can
always
watch
us
on
YouTube.
A
A
A
A
L
Led
the
charge
on
this
on
this
very
complex
and
interesting
issue.
I
also
have
here,
Kathy
McDonald
co-chair
with
me
Jeff
cattell
of
Federation
Noronha
resident
associations.
So
we
as
you're
aware
the
Ontario
government
had
extensive
consultations.
They
released
a
discussion
paper
last
year.
They
came
forward
with
a
bill
which
passed
first
reading
back
in
May
and
that's
proceeded
now
to
the
Standing
Committee
on
social
policy
later
in
October
starting
next
week,
in
fact,
and
the
Fonterra
submitted
a
detailed
submission
to
that
bill.
L
We've
submitted
to
attend
at
the
Standing
Committee
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and,
of
course,
the
City
of
Toronto
has
done
the
same
thing
and
we're
here
to
comment,
lend
our
support
basically
to
the
City
of
Toronto
submission,
which
is
very
much
in
line
with
the
Fondren
submission,
and
so
John
will
well
outline
our
comments.
Thank
you.
M
Up
on
the
screen,
just
a
few
slides,
let
me
start
off
by
saying
that
we
strongly
support
virtually
all
of
what
is
recommended
to
you
by
the
planning
staff
on
this
issue.
The
as
everybody
I,
think
here
in
this
room
knows
the
way
the
OMB
has
operated
over
the
past
one
or
two
decades
has
essentially
substituted.
M
Specific
OMB
decisions
for
what
used
to
be
a
city
official
plan,
and
we
are
we're
strongly
committed
to
the
notion
that
the
OMB
must
be
reformed.
That
municipal.
This
decision
makers
should
be
paramount
in
making
municipal
decisions,
and
that
is
absolutely
inappropriate
for
an
appointed
board
to
over
to
have
the
power
to
just
unilaterally
by
one
person,
typically
override
the
decisions
of
an
elected
municipal
council.
M
M
M
M
In
fact,
whatever
the
municipality
does
in
that
in
responding
to
the
Tribunal's
recommendation,
then
whoever
brought
the
first
appeal
can
appeal
again,
who
have
a
second
route
appeal
and
in
that
second
round,
feel
the
the
hearing
process
reverts
to
what
it
is
at
present,
namely
that
the
reform
of
the
rules
no
longer
applies,
the
the
rule,
changes
which,
which
are
important
in
a
number
of
respects,
but
and
more
importantly,
that
it
has
the
right
than
to
make
a
de
novo
decision.
As
that
present,
we
think
that
that
raises
important
concerns.
M
We
understand
that
there
needs
to
be
a
right
of
appeal
and
right
of
appeal
and
a
way
of
resolving
that
kind
of
standoff,
but
we
believe
that
if
the
tribunal
on
that
second
round
rules
against
the
municipality,
the
municipality
should
have
the
right
to
appeal.
That
decision
to
the
minister,
so
that
at
least
a
provincial
elected
representative
can
make
a
final
decision.
But
we
believe
that
it's
important,
not
only
for
that
reason,
but
because
that
also
puts
a
check.
A
psychological
check
on
the
tribunal.
G
M
We're
very
concerned
with
the
plethora
of
site,
specific
appeals
that
currently
distort
City
Planning,
so
we
do
support
that.
We
support
the
moratoriums,
but
here
we
just
feel
that
the
province
has
gone
too
far
in
prohibiting
appeals,
for
example
with
respect
to
areas
around
major
transit
stations.
There
should
be
yes,
provincial
planning
policy
should
be
paramount,
etc.
M
L
A
L
L
M
A
G
A
A
L
A
A
A
K
G
The
chair,
the
committee,
is
actually
commencing
its
standing
committee
hearings
next
week,
Monday
and
Tuesday,
and
carrying
on
October,
23rd
and
24th,
and
possibly
we'll
be
adding
additional
dates
in
terms
of
timing.
That
is
difficult
to
say,
because,
in
the
absence
of
the
province
issuing
its
regulation,
which
will
speak
to
how
how
the
policies
and
and
the
new
changes
are
to
be
implemented,
it's
difficult,
they
could
make
it
retroactive
to
the
date
of
first
reading.
I
suspect
they
will
not
be
that
aggressive.
A
A
I
I
F
A
I
For
perhaps
a
century
we
needed
a
development
freeze
until
there
is
really
something
honestly
good
in
place
and
something
real
that
isn't
the
King
Street
right-of-way
idea,
as
it
was
seen
as
inferior
only
in
1992.
Where
did
that
go?
That's
here.
That's
from
the
West
Waterfront
LRT.
There's
the
King
Street
the
smaller
circles
indicate
of
how
good
it
is
larger
circles
elsewhere
indicate
superior
things.
I
As
you
might
know,
I
think
I
favoured
a
front
street
transit
way
for
quite
a
while.
Instead
of
a
road
project,
we
didn't
do
the
road
project,
which
was
good,
go
expanded
the
transit,
but
we
really
needed
a
better
TDC
based
transit
way.
The
the
downtown
relief
transit
West
option.
I
thought
was,
you
know
when
I
discover
that
he
went
oh
geez,
just
like
I've
been
advocating
very
interesting
and
that's
I
think
what
is
needed.
I
I've
had
a
recent
idea,
which
is
taking
a
cue,
and
this
is
the
sort
of
investment
that
we
need
to
be
making
in
the
core,
where
Subway's
are
warranted,
where
a
heavy
transit
is
really
needed
and
it
needs
to
be
not
making
the
regional
goal
carrier
as
a
more
local
service.
We've
got
a
shift
our
way
our
expenditure
and
priorities
away
from
subways
in
sprawl
to
actually
putting
Subway's
in
higher
order
transit
in
the
core.
Please
and
I
favor
doing
surface
routes
quite
honestly,
first
and
preserving
corridors
and
making
new
corridors.
I
Because
that's
what
we
need
and
we
can't
afford
to
do
the
digging
because
it
takes
too
long
we're
in
a
set
of
crises.
King
is
overloaded.
Queen
is
overloaded.
The
Gardiners
overloaded,
the
lakeshore
is
overloaded
goal
was
even
overloaded,
sometimes
and
there's
spin-offs
up
on
Bloor
Street.
It's
also
overloaded,
as
well,
because
for
people
from
Etobicoke
who
can't
take
this
the
king
queen
option,
so
they
go
up
to
blue
or
come
along
blue
or
come
down
again.
So
taking
a
cue
from
the
Jarvis
Street
example.
I
What
about
a
reversible
transit
way
that
flows
into
the
city
in
the
morning
flows
back
in
the
afternoon?
The
vehicles
return
whatever
vehicles,
they
are
their
return
on
king
and
queen.
That's
the
sort
of
thing
that
we
I
think
that
we
should
be
using
and
doing
instead
of
the
subways
in
sprawl
instead
of
thinking.
Oh,
we
can
do
a
subway
in
on
King
Street
or
something
at
some
point
with
the
West.
End
really
needs
to
have
inferior
transit.
I
I
Don't
just
rely
on
mere
numbers
for
the
quality
of
the
not
work.
I
mean
Network
a
disconnected
patchwork
with
varying
standards
and
concentration,
depending
on
whose
ward
it
is
doesn't
mean
to
say
that
it's
really
a
network.
We
have
real
continuity
issues
going
beyond
some
technical
issues
which
are
real
within
the
page,
11
hardcopy
19
PDF.
I
There
are
some
fudges,
I
challenge,
the
use
of
separated
Lane
terminology
and,
as
some
will
say,
a
painted
line
is
nowhere
near
a
real
separation,
and
it
isn't
so
it's
almost
dishonest
I
think
in
how
it's
been
categorized
in
terms
of
the
on-road
volumes
or
the
numbers
and
again
the
on-road
legs
behind
the
off-road,
which
is
inherently
less
favorable
for
for
women
and
I
guess
I'm
out
of
time.
The
housing
issues
are
really
important.
Thank
you,
Gord
for
that
bad
item.
11.
Today.
That's
a
hell.
Thank.
A
G
Busy
day,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
John,
is
the
we
wanted
to
express
strong
support
for
the
initiative
of
having
indicators
for
the
official
plan.
We
think
this
is
really
important,
but
we
feel
that
it
could
go
be
much
more
useful
if
it
was
further
developed
and
John's
going
to
give
some
examples
of
how
that
could
happen.
G
M
It's
it's
late.
Mr.
chairman
and
we've
settled
a
bunch
of
examples
in
the
written
submission
that
we've
made
so
I.
Don't
think
I,
don't
think
it's
it's
not
useful
to
talk
about
specific
examples
if
you're
interested,
please
look
at
our
submission
and
I
urged
staff
to
do
that.
But
what
I
would
like
to
emphasize
is
this.
M
The
planning
indicators
can
be
a
very
useful
tool
for
basically
making
planning
policies
more
relevant
and
accountable
both
to
counselors
and
to
the
public
and
I.
Think
we
badly
need
that.
Take
any
issue
you
want
are
we
succeeding?
Is
our
prior
planning
policy
succeeding
I
mean
you,
don't
manage
the
business
without
having
benchmarks
and
accountability
and
some
sense
of
performance
measurement
and
what
our
concern
is
with
the
indicator
document.
That's
before
you
is.
That,
basically,
is
just
statistics.
There's
no
performance
measures,
there
I
mean,
for
example,
it
says
we
have.
M
You
know
a
certain
number
of
units
bills.
We
have
a
certain
number
of
public,
publicly
usable
private
space,
etc,
but
so
what
the
numbers
by
themselves?
Don't
meetings
like?
What
are
the
targets
you
don't
have
targets?
Then
there's
no
point
having
statistics,
you
need
to
be
able
to
relate
statistics
to
planning
targets.
What
are
we
trying
to
achieve?
What
are
we
achieving
in
the
supply
of
rental
housing?
What
are
we
achieving
in
terms
of
the
distribution
of
population
and
jobs
across
the
city?
Are
they
just
all
congregating,
for
example,
young
Eglinton?
M
Are
we
distributing
them
sensibly
in
a
way
that
utilizes
the
transit
system?
Are
we
locating
jobs
with
employment
with
where
people
live,
so
that
we
don't
increase
the
burden
on
the
public
transit
system?
All
these
are
issues
for
which
there
should
be
metrics
developed
targets,
and
the
performance
indicators
should
be
showing
how
we
are
succeeding
relative
to
those
targets.
The
statistics
in
the
report
before
you
on
the
whole,
just
don't
do
that,
and
so
that's
really
our
concern.
M
A
You
are
there
any
questions.
Are
the
deputies
not
seeing
any?
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming.
We
don't
have
any
of
the
deputies
there.
Any
questions
of
staff,
not
seeing
any
I'll,
make
a
brief
comment.
If
you
wish
first
report,
as
the
acting
chief
planner
said,
version
1.0
will
continue
to
grow
on
what
we
have.
Statistics
are
a
question
of
what
you
have,
how
people
put
them
together
and
how
important
they
are.
It's
a
beginning,
it's
a
first
step
but
I.
A
Think
it's
pretty
good
for
that
staff
themselves
and
discussing
with
me
said
we
could
even
do
better
if
we
had
better
input
from
some
of
the
divisions
that
we
have
out
there
who,
if
we
ask
and
coordinate
it,
will
give
us
that
information.
So
I
should
have
said
at
first
I
have
a
motion
on
that
regard.
So.
A
The
hollow
divisions
and
I
know
the
ones
that
I've
spoken
to
are
happy
to
be
participating
in
it
and
really
want
to
see
improvements
made
this
way,
we'll
go
back
to
them,
see
what
they
can
give
us
for
input.
Well,
look
at
any
change
that
should
be
there
and
we'll
continue
to
work
upon
it.
So
it
becomes
something
that
is
a
document
we
can
look
at.
We
can
understand.
We
can
see
how
the
city's
performing
because
we've
had
other
reports
come
in
front
of
us.
A
That
have
said
different
statistics
and
many
of
them
said
we
are
meeting
or
exceeding
the
growth
targets
of
the
province
we're
putting
development
in
areas.
But
there
are
other
things
that
we
don't
really
know
and
having
good
indicators.
Simple
is
great.
Having
a
ton
of
numbers
and
information
doesn't
always
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
us
unless
it
is
tied
into
something
and
recommendations
where
we
needed
so
I'm.
More
than
pleased
to
the
procedure
that
or
do
some,
the
amendment
first
and
I'm
moving
the
amendment,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried.