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Planning and Growth Management Committee, meeting 30, June 7, 2018 - Part 2 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
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Part 1 of 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqRa2zkblaQ#t=10m01s
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Thank
you.
That's
one
less
speaker
on
my
list
because
they're
there
twice,
I
have
mic
drawer
from
those
fields
and
I
have
Andy
Gort
and
John.
Kaiser
is
Mike
drawer.
Here,
Mike
Mike
calling
one's
calling
twice,
don't
see
any
Mike
right
now:
Andy,
Gordon
and
Igor
it
after
that
John
Kaiser,
then
after
that
Arif
there
are
washy.
So
mister
court,
five
minutes
we're
here
to
hear
from
you.
D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
chair
David,
shiner
and
members
of
the
committee.
My
name
is
Andy
Gort
and
I'm,
the
president
of
Sarah
South
arrogance
and
residents
association.
We
we
encompass
whole
area,
it's
inside
the
Midtown,
a
focus
area
and
we
are
encompassing
the
largest
part
of
that
area.
Geographically,
we
represent.
We
have
quite
a
variety
of
developments
in
our
area
from
several
apartment,
neighborhoods,
Davisville
and
so
their
neighborhood,
some
very
high
density,
mixed
use,
areas
of
Yonge
and
Eglinton
and
then
a
number
of
traditional
village
street.
D
D
Notes
here,
so
we
have
this
tremendous
amount
of
time
last
two
and
a
half
years
getting
involvement
in
this
plan.
We
pour
the
hearts
and
souls
into
it,
and
we've
also
kept
a
very
active
participation
in
all
the
developments
that
have
occurred
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
We
are
at
a
big
community
consultation
meeting.
We
try
to
get
groups
of
neighborhoods
together
a
residents
together,
we're
at
the
OMB
as
participants.
We
have
appeared
as
party
we've
hired
our
own
lawyers,
so
we've
got
over
the
years,
getting
quite
a
bit
of
experience
with
the
OMB.
D
Our
approach
has
been
that's
very
pragmatic.
Instead
of
saying
no
development,
we
accept
that
change
is
coming
to
our
area
and
that
there
are
significant
housing
needs
in
the
city.
We
do
like
to
also
make
sure
that
our
own
residents,
the
current
residents,
also
get
looked
after.
We
know
there
is
a
lot
of
provincial
policy
legislation
that
affects
how
municipalities
do
what
they
can.
D
We
increasingly
alarmed
at
the
amount
of
accumulated
development
in
our
area,
not
just
in
this
area,
but
in
the
overall
area,
because
you
really
do
go
back
and
forth.
It
really
is
one
community,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
whether
one
Street
is
affected
more
than
another
Street,
for
instance,
the
area
from
Eglinton
Sudan
along
Yonge
Street,
has
five
large
developments.
D
2,500
units,
probably
4,000
people
all
emptying
on
or
mostly
emptying
on
a
little
narrow
lane
called
cowbell
Lane.
Creating
a
tremendous
congestion
in
that
area
too.
I
think
we're
seeing
congestion
everywhere
in
in
our
area.
What
we're
really
even
more
concerned
about
is
that
as
development
progresses,
we
are
not
seeing
any
progress
on
what
we
call
the
elements
of
a
complete
community,
so
whether
the
schools,
what
is
happening
to
transit
availability
on
the
young
line,
what
is
happening
to
parks
what's
happening
to
employment,
so
that
is
a
major
concern
of
ours.
D
So
what
we,
what
we
see
is
we've
got
enough
experience
now
to
know
that
unless
we
get
a
plan
in
place
that
is
legally
enforceable,
we
will
continue
to
see
more
and
more
applications
coming
in.
We
know
where
the
developers
are
buying
properties,
so
it's
very
critical
for
us
that
we
see
a
plan
coming
in
place
and
especially
this
particular
plan,
that's
so
broad-based
and
incorporates
all
these
elements
of
a
complete
community.
D
We
feel
that
we
we've
kind
of
kept
track
of
all
the
developments,
so
we
already
know
having
tallied
up
from
records
from
the
city
that
we're
looking
at
21,000
new
units
in
a
young
Addington
area.
Thirty-Five
thousand
people
and
we've
calculated
based
on
transit
factors
that
we're
looking
at
seventy
nine
hundred
new
transit
riders
in
a
Yonge
and
Eglinton
area
alone,
and
that
will
swamp
the
young
line
as
we
as
we
see
it.
D
D
So
it's
very
very
close,
and
our
opinion
is
that,
with
the
appropriate
amendments
that
this
plan
should
be
accepted
and
that
we
then
can
finally
start
to
have
a
plan
of
record
and
can
start
to
focus
on
all
the
missing
elements
of
a
complete
community
and
start
to
spend
time
of
that,
as
opposed
to
constantly
listening
to
more
developments
in
the
area.
Thank.
D
E
So
you,
you
really
represent
the
area
south
of
Eglinton
and
would
I
look
at
your
map.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
makes
sense.
Maybe
a
couple
of
those
buildings
could
be
reduced
in
height,
but
generally
it's
not
the
worst
plan.
But
when
you
look
in
the
northeast
quadrant
of
young
and
edgy,
so
my
question
to
you
would
be:
would
you
support
some
of
those
building
heights
coming
down
and
do
you
feel
some
of
them
are
excessively
high.
E
D
As
I
would
like
to
see
a
reduction
around
the
Eglinton
school
because
they
are
looking
at
the
same
kind
of
situation
as
John
Fisher,
yes,
but
I
want
to
I
would
like
to
make
sure
proposed.
That
does
not
stop
the
plan
and
we
don't
run
out
of
the
runway
by
council,
disbanding
for
municipal
elections
in
the
fall
and.
E
D
If
I,
if
I
look
at
what
is
in
that
in
those
maps
from
21
11
to
21
16,
yes,
70%
is
already
basically
done
done
in
terms
of
either
approved
or
under
review.
At
the
OMB
in
my
area,
I
got
eight
all
being
appeals
still
on
the
go.
So
if,
if
there
are
things
we
can
do
to
mitigate
further
shadows,
but
I
think
we're
already
looking
at
a
lot
of
damage
that
that
has
been
done
from
a
shadow
in.
E
Play
because
of
the
Wild
West
I'm,
specific
referencing
map-21
to
2112
ya,
21-12,
that's
the
areas
where
there
actually
are
quite
a
few
dark
purple
squares
right,
which
is
the
areas
that
staff
are
putting
numbers
on.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
people
have
input
on
that
and
and
then
proceed
accordingly
with
possibly
reducing
those.
If.
D
You
can
bring
forward
amendments,
then
we
would.
It
would
be
great
as
long
as
they
passed
a
policy
to
provincial
policies
and
if
they
pass
on
the
timely
basis
to
make
sure
that
a
plan
gets
enacted
and
we
don't
get
stuck
without
a
plan.
Because
we've
lived
with
that
for
three
years
and
we
know
what
happens.
F
We're
we're
working
on
a
way
without
without
threatening
the
integrity
of
the
Midtown
and
focus
plan
itself.
In
other
words,
to
protect.
We
want
to
protect
the
good
stuff,
but
to
try
to
lower
the
heights.
F
That
there
is
an
emphasis
on
on
green
space
and
parks
on
lowered
heights,
on
on
and
and
and
of
course,
that
would
then
have
a
cumulative
effect
on
the
community
because,
of
course,
any
part
of
the
community
that
has
excessive
growth.
That
impacts
the
entire
community.
With
respect
to
the
current
dearth
of
surfaces
and
of
his
truck.
F
D
We've
been
at
this
for
two
and
a
half
years.
We
have
continually
asked
for
all
the
things
that
you're
suggesting
to
us
I.
We
already
have
publicly
stated
to
both
of
you
that
we'll
be
happy
to
see
a
less
intense
and
richer
plan
from
community
services
from
parks.
Point
of
view,
so
I
think
that's
obvious
that
we
would
support
that.
Thank
you
that
answers
your
question.
D
B
G
B
B
H
No
problem
lists.
Thank
you.
Councilors
members
of
the
PG
MC
I
am
dr.
Arif
Durham.
She
duly
qualified
medical
practitioner,
graduated
from
the
University
of
Toronto
in
effect,
and
they
have
had
and
if
having
had
the
privilege
of
serving
the
residents
of
Toronto
as
an
ER
physician
for
30
years,
my
deputation
is,
in
addition
to
and
in
support
of,
our
written
submission
from
overland
LLP
and
the
deputation
and
submission
of
mr.
John
Kaiser,
representing
our
south
neighbor,
the
Society
of
United
professionals.
With
a
group
of
other
physicians.
H
We
are
the
owners
and
operators
of
several
independent
medical
facilities
in
the
GTA
and
the
beneficial
owners
of
22:45
Yonge
Street,
the
second
building
from
the
southeast
corner
of
the
young
Eglinton
intersection
and
immediately
adjacent
to
the
young
Eglinton
crosstown
subway
entrance.
Many
will
recognize
the
Tim
Hortons
I'm
before
you
to
seek
deferral.
H
The
young
Eglinton
secondary
plan,
for
reasons
which
I
will
now
detail
for
the
young
Anglican
secondary
plan
area
city
planning
staff
have
projected
94
thousand
residents
in
the
pipeline
for
2030,
one
that
is
thirteen
years
from
now
and
127
thousand
plus
for
the
proposed
plan
area
by
2050
one.
Furthermore,
city
staff
has
also
informed
us
at
the
statutory
open
house
on
May
28
that
there
has
been
no
net
new
jobs
in
the
plan
area
since
1991
in
the
vision
statement
and
goal
throughout
the
plan.
H
It
speaks
to
the
city
and
provincial
policies
for
the
preservation
and
encouragement
of
employment
uses,
particularly
in
the
young
Eglinton
crossroads,
a
dual
traffic:
dual
transit
node,
the
specific
policies
referenced,
are
detailed
in
our
solicitors,
submission
from
overland
LLP.
The
plan
in
its
current
form
runs
counter
to
these
employment
policies.
There
are
no
designated
employment
lands
in
no
provisions
for
encouraging
and
prioritizing
new
employment
developments.
There
have
been
over
60
applicants
applications
in
the
last
decade
and
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
no
new
large
employment
use
applications.
This
speaks
volumes.
H
Young
and
egg
is
increasingly
becoming
all
live
and
no
work.
In
our
experience,
the
plan
discourages
high
quality
employment
uses.
The
Society
of
an
IT
professional
is
an
organization
that
represents
8400
professionals
that
operate
our
electricity
power
generation
facilities
there,
the
owner
of
22:39,
Yonge
Street
and
our
South
neighbors.
They
wish
to
expand
their
head
office
and
bring
high
quality
employment.
We
at
Gen
Sol
would
like
to
build
a
medical
complex
with
30
to
40
physicians,
providing
much-needed
medical
Urgent
Care
diagnostic
imaging
laboratory
services
alongside
primary
and
specialized
medical
care.
H
We've
come
together
and
proposed
to
build
a
hundred
thousand
square
foot
14
story,
building
right
at
the
subway
entrance,
creating
three
to
four
hundred
jobs
at
an
investment
of
twenty
five
to
thirty
million
dollars.
Our
consultants,
Neera
architects,
bousfield
and
WSP
engineering
engineering
have
endorsed
a
favorable
opinion
of
our
completed
proposal
for
purpose-built
building
and
a
strategic
location
providing
employment
and
health
care
to
the
nearly
one
hundred
twenty
seven
thousand
people
projected
for
the
proposal
area.
Our
plan
is
within
the
current
as
of
right,
61
meters,
zoning,
which
would
permit
approximately
17
stories.
H
However,
the
preoccupation
of
the
young
Eglinton
secondary
plan
with
tall
building
residential
condos
is
working
against
these
policies,
fostering
a
live-work
balance
in
this
plan,
our
lands
that
the
young
Edmonton
crossroads
are
deemed
for
a
mere
eight
stories
to
accommodate
too
bit
too
tall
building
condos
on
each
side.
In
fact,
the
north
proposal
at
180
Lincoln
Avenue
East
a
65
storey
condo,
is
a
mere
six
point.
Eight
meters,
from
our
lot
line
in
defiance
of
the
tall
building
guidelines,
consider
the
consequences
of
this
error.
H
It
makes
no
economic
sense
to
demolish
a
five-story
office,
building
to
only
build
an
eight
story.
Building.
Where
does
this
leave
the
two-story
dilapidated
Tim
Hortons
a
lost
orphan
site,
the
side
of
which
will
jut
into
the
beautiful
corner,
Plaza
space
obstructing
pedestrian
flow,
a
consequence
of
peace,
more
planning?
How
can
this
be
called
good
planning,
if
not
a
viable
office,
medical
building?
Then
what
then?
What
does
city
staff
have
planned
for
this?
Prominent
orphan
site?
H
Jensen,
the
Society
of
United
professionals,
have
been
active
participants
in
the
process
from
the
beginning
of
Midtown
and
focus
our
multiple
request
for
constructive
dialogue,
whether
written,
deputation
or
email
did
not
yield
a
meeting
with
planning
staff
at
the
landowner
and
developers
meeting
on
May,
8th,
attended
by
over
30
landowners,
there
were
only
ten.
There
was
only
ten
minutes
of
group
dialogue
after
disclosure
of
the
heights
map.
Only
now
do
we
have
a
pre-application
meeting
on
June
19th.
We
understand
the
demands
of
planning
staff
from
a
project
of
this
magnitude
importance.
H
We
feel
the
process
is
being
rushed
before
council
rises.
Accordingly,
we
request
deferral
the
plan
for
adequate,
constructive
dialogue
and
comprehensive
planning,
counselors
and
members
of
PG
MC.
We
see
our
proposal
as
part
of
the
solution
to
many
of
the
goals
raised
in
the
young
and
secondary
plan.
Will
you
support
our
request
for
deferral
in
order
that
our
proposal
receives
due
process
and
due
consideration
respectfully
submitted
Arif
de
Ramsey
MD.
G
My
name
is
John
Kaiser
I'm,
a
partner
with
the
firm
of
Kaiser
Mason
ball.
Where
are
the
solicitors
for
the
owners,
22:39
youngstreet
and
we
called
them
the
Society
of
Union
professionals.
This
is
the
head
office
for
our
client
company
and
it
is
lies
one
building
of
south
of
dr.
Jeremy's,
chen
cell
properties
at
22:45
young
streets.
We've
joined
together
with
Gen
cell
properties
for
the
purpose
of
making
these
representations
and
working
together
to
make
it
very
clear
to
you
how
essential
it
is
to
preserve
the
employment
opportunities
in
this
area.
G
I
was
really
pleased
to
hear
the
tremendous
response,
I
thought
from
your
committee
with
respect
to
the
Unilever
application
and
the
prospect
of
providing
an
enormous
amount
of
employment
in
that
particular
portion
of
the
City
of
Toronto.
Right
now,
we're
told
that
since
1991
there
has
been
zero
increase
in
terms
of
employment
opportunities
in
the
young
agent
in
the
center.
This
is
the
crossroads.
This
is
the
a
world-class
center
that
must
be
given
far
better
opportunities
in
order
to
make
and
sponsor
work
and
live
in
the
area.
G
We
know
that
there
are
some
gorgeous
buildings
being
built
and
we
hope
that
the
owners
of
these
buildings
and
the
people
who
live
there
will
be
gently
successful.
But
what
we're
asking
you
to
do
today
is
to
say,
timeout
pause
for
a
moment.
The
loaf
is
only
halfway
baked.
We
must
have
a
very
clear
statement
from
users
and,
ladies
to
the
effect
that
employment
must
be
fond
sponsored,
it
must
be
fostered
in
this
area.
Very
clearly,
in
the
second
paragraph
of
the
description
and
amendment
405,
you
clearly
made
a
statement.
G
This
is
to
be
an
employment
area
offices
and
all
of
the
other
disciplines
that
are
necessary
to
attract
and
to
provide
work.
It's
a
wonderful
area.
It's
of
course
got
the
best
transportation
system
that
Toronto
can
offer
that
Canada
is
able
to
offer
and
yet
we're
finding
that.
As
we
look
at
the
schedules
to
this
work,
there
is
a
provision
for
65
stories
on
the
adjoining
property
to
the
north
58
stories
to
the
south
and
eight
for
our
clients,
property,
that's
less
than
what's
permitted
now
by
the
zoning
bylaw.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
G
It
really
leaves
us
flat
and
what
we're
here
to
say
is
we
want
your
staff
to
be
instructive,
because
your
staff
is
wonderful.
There
is
no
question
that
they're
patient,
but
they
do
receive
their
direction
from
you.
The
members
of
council
you've
got
to
say
to
them
here
and
now
make
it
more
clear
that
these
people,
who
will
provide
employment,
are
given
the
opportunity
to
do
so.
G
B
G
Appreciate
your
giving
us
the
time
as
we
know
it
badly,
that
people
have
worked
to
get
it
to
this
stage,
we're
just
simply
saying
that
don't
leave
us
out
your
your
package
has
two
strong
letters
from
each,
but
for
the
overland
firm
that
represents
dr.
Joffe
and
his
brothers
and
our
own
firm
I
announced
earlier
we've.
Given
you
the
detail,
I'm
not
going
to
waste
your
time
with
that
sort
of
thing,
because
I
know
you're,
very
thoughtful.
I
know
you
want
to
do
the
right.
Mr.
B
B
A
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
good
for
you
to
the
members
of
committee.
Thank
you
for
for
for
considering
this
plan
and
I
have.
What
do
you
want
to
thank
on
behalf?
My
name
is
David
Chang
I'm,
a
lawyer
at
Miller
Thompson
I
act
for
the
Girl
Guides
of
Canada,
which
owned
the
property
at
50.
Merton
I
want
to
thank
staff
actually
for
having
heard
and
having
responded
to
the
concerns
we
did
have
and
we
expressed
in
the
the
the
initial
consultations.
A
The
approach
of
considering
the
possibility
of
compiling
and
putting
together
properties
is
a
very
helpful
and
a
useful
step
forward
in
this
plan.
We
really
only
have
one
additional
last
issue
to
talk
about
and
that
really
deals
with
the
new
introduction
in
the
last
revision
to
map-21
ten
of
the
potential
cultural
heritage
value
mapping,
this
property
50
Merton
build
50
Merton
Street
is
identified
as
a
property
with
quote
potential
cultural
heritage
value.
A
They
will
probably
have
to
do
this
with
the
developer,
and
this
simply
establishes
a
an
additional
barrier
to
the
process,
and
so
we're
simply
asking
that
the
map
be
amended
to
delete
the
50
Merton
Street
site
as
a
potential
cultural
heritage,
value
I
think
the
building
is
clearly
going
to
be
redeveloped
at
some
point,
and
this
is
an
unnecessary
barrier.
So
those
are
those
are
all
Mike's
comments.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
I
Name
is
Chris
Polk
and
I'm
a
member
of
housing
matters.
So
we
are
a
group
of
Torontonians
who
advocate
for
increased
housing
supply
to
address
the
housing,
availability
and
affordability
crisis,
that
is,
pricing.
Many
renters
young
people
and
middle-class
families.
Out
of
our
city,
I
appreciate
being
granted
the
opportunity
today
to
comment
once
again
on
the
Midtown
and
focus
official
plan
amendment
and
would
like
to
start
by
thanking
planning
staff
for
the
diligent
work
that
went
into
its
preparation.
There
was
a
lot
to
like
within
78
pages.
I
Midtown
is
certainly
one
part
of
Toronto
where
we
have
not
shied
away
from
much
needed
intensification
and
we
believe
that
the
city
is
all
the
better
for
it.
That
said,
we
would
like
to
highlight
one
item
in
particular
that
we
believe
would
have
a
particularly
adverse
effect
on
housing,
availability
and
affordability.
I
So
to
put
that
in
some
context,
when
looking
at
three
recent
projects
under
construction
in
Midtown,
we
see
that
the
average
size
for
two-bedroom
units
being
built
now
is
about
63
square
meters,
and
the
average
size
of
three-bedroom
units
is
about
96
square
meters
and
to
make
this
little
more
concrete.
The
average
two-bedroom
unit
that
we're
currently
seeing
built
in
Midtown
is
about
28%
smaller
than
the
required
minimum
size
set
out
in
Midtown
in
focus.
I
I
Overall,
that
said,
we
request
that
Midtown
and
focus
be
amended
to
not
include
these
new
minimum
uses,
Sutton
unit
size
requirements
and
to
instead,
first
take
some
time
to
monitor
the
impact.
The
similar
requirements
that
have
been
included
in
Teal'c
or
the
downtown
plan
have
on
housing,
availability
and
affordability
before
extending
them
to
Midtown.
Thank
you.
I
F
I
F
I
When
we
build
luxury
condos,
let's
say
in
Midtown
in
particular,
we
create
space
for
empty
nesters
to
empty
their
homes,
there's
a
downstream
effect
known
as
filtering
by
housing.
Economists,
where
you
get
to
move
out
of
a
lower
and
unit
to
a
higher-end
unit
and
there's
these
downstream
effects
that
open
up
more
units
for
new
residents,
so.
F
We're
you
submitting
that
we
that
we
don't
further
restrict
the
heightened
density
of
development
in
an
area
that
has
already
reached
so
many
of
its
targets
under
the
growth
plan,
where
kids
can't
go
to
a
local
school
where
nobody
can
get
onto
the
subway
in
the
morning
where
there's
water
suit,
you
know
sewer
capacity
issues.
Are
you
suggesting
we
don't
put
any
restrictions
on
the
on
the
high
densities,
I'm.
I
D
B
C
J
B
K
All
right,
good
afternoon,
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Charles
arbors
I'm,
a
development
manager
at
hallmark
developments.
I'm
here
before
you
today
to
speak
to
this
item,
to
express
again
our
concern
with
the
policies
proposed
to
be
brought
forward
as
part
of
the
Midtown
and
focused
plan
and
Official
Plan
Amendment,
and
also
to
highlight
some
of
the
issues
that
we
had
going
forward
during
the
consultation
process
recently
over
the
last
six
months.
K
To
give
you
some
background
on
the
site,
it
was
currently
purchased
around
seven
years
ago
with
a
long
term
development
plan
in
mind,
and
while
there
is
no
active
application
currently
on
file,
the
site's
location
on
one
of
them
on
one
of
the
city's
most
prominent
mixed-use
intersections
within
the
City
of
Toronto
would
warrant
a
high-quality
redevelopment
of
the
property.
A
couple
foot
the
aforementioned
Eglinton
crosstown
project,
as
well
as
the
close
proximity
of
the
Avenue
LRT
station
across
the
street
I
mentioned
earlier.
In
order
to
facilitate
a
healthy
dialogue
with
city
staff.
K
We
were
actually
involved
earlier
in
the
process
over
the
last
five
to
six
months,
which
started
with
a
meeting
facilitated
by
build
with
councilor
shiner
and
the
capacity
of
chair
of
this
committee
and
other
key
staff
members
after
the
Harwich
bash
listings
were
released
in
August
of
2017.
Regarding
the
Midtown
area.
K
We
subsequently
requested
a
one-on-one
meeting
to
discuss
our
concerns
and
refused
due
to
the
level
of
interest
in
the
plan,
and
we're
told
that
group
consult
consultation
meeting
would
instead
be
held
to
update
everyone
on
forthcoming
modifications
to
the
plan.
We
attended
this
meeting
on
May
8th,
during
which
time
we
could
not
express
our
concerns,
given
that
the
proposed
policy
was
not
available
at
that
time.
K
Retaining
the
existing
building
on
site
of
the
two-story
that
exists
currently
and
in
essence,
what
it
showed
us
was
in
draft
form
that
the
policies
combined
with
the
batch
listing
and
the
policies
themselves.
To
be
perfectly
honest,
would
completely
sterilize
the
site
from
a
development
perspective,
resulting
in
a
very,
very
inefficient
building
design
that
would
eliminate
any
sort
of
potential
redevelopment
possibilities
on
the
site.
K
Further,
with
the
with
the
implementation
of
this
pros
of
this
proposed
Official
Plan
amendment
being
enacted
pursuant
to
section
26
of
the
Planning
Act
in
regard
and
in
regards
to
the
sites
location
within
a
major
transit
station
area.
As
with
the
growth
plan,
it
would
be
impossible
to
appeal
any
such
approval
to
the
Local
Planning
Appeal
Tribunal,
which
ought
to
a
facilitated
a
far
more
detailed
and
inclusive
consultation
process
and
what
we
unfortunately
had
to
receive
up
until
this
point
again,
while
the
site's
location
and
surrounding
area
would
warrant
a
high-quality
and
sensitively
designed
redevelopment.
K
The
proposed
policies
put
forth
as
part
of
the
Midtown
and
focused
plan
hinder
the
much-needed
redevelopment
potential
of
this
key
intersection
and
again
effectively
sterilized
the
site
from
a
development
perspective.
As
such,
we
would
respectfully
request
that
the
adoption
of
this
item
be
deferred
to
a
later
date,
at
least
as
it
applies
to
the
property
at
3:13
Eglinton
Avenue
West.
F
The
given
the
fact
that
our
planning
staff
have
held
dozens
of
community
meetings,
open
houses,
pop-up
events
at
the
subway
stations
and
farmers
markets,
meetings
directly
at
various
condos
and
apartments
and
etc,
and
have-
and
these
meetings
have
been
widely
advertised
throughout
the
community
in
a
variety
of
ways.
Why
why?
Why
do
you
submit
that?
There's
that
there's
been
enough
consultation
I
should.
K
Have
been
more
clear,
what
we
were
requesting
was
a
one-on-one
consultation
with
City
Planning
staff.
We
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
this
area
and
in
the
Official
Plan
amendment,
but
in
our
view
more
time
should
have
been
taken
to
consult
directly
with
landowners
such
as
this,
especially
with
a
property.
That's
so
prominent
at
a
key
intersection
in
the
area.
I.
K
For
sure,
we
believe
that
you
know,
in
addition
to
taking
into
account
approvals
that
are
so
to
speak
in
the
pipeline.
These
policies
should
also
take
into
account
special
sites
in
our
opinions,
such
as
this,
that
are
on
key
intersections
at
prominent
corners,
and
it
was
just
a
request
to
meet
with
city
planning
staff,
one
on
one
to
discuss
these
issues,
and
unfortunately
that
was
a
request
that
was
time
and
time
again
refused.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
K
B
K
B
C
We
have
neighbors
to
the
West
that
have
long
term
lease
is
in
place.
It's
an
lcbi
as
well
as
a
bank
and
I
think
that's
about
it
else
would
be
on
the
bank.
They
have
long
term
leases
in
place.
We've
talked
to
them
in
a
neighborly
way.
That
would
be
the
only
opportunity
to
assemble,
unfortunately,
to
the
south
of
us
is
a
stable
residential
neighborhood
and
it
wraps
around
Avenue
and
Eglinton.
C
So
if
anything,
if
there
was
an
opportunity,
is
you
know
if
the
city
wanted
to
plan
that
intersection
in
intersection
in
a
more
comprehensive
way,
they
might
have
considered
wrapping
around
a
mixed
use,
designation
along
Avenue
a
little
bit
further
in
order
to
allow
for
a
little
more
room
on
this
intersection?
So
we
have
thought
about
it,
but
given
the
current
policies
and
the
fact
that
you
can't
encroach
into
stableness
residential
neighborhoods,
we
didn't
entertain
that
so.
B
In
other
words,
your
site
is
difficult
to
work
with,
because
you
can't
assemble
with
your
neighbors
site
because
of
commitments
they
have
on
that.
That's
the
reason
why
you're
asking
could
we
look
at
something
else
and
we're
in
conflict
with
you,
because
we
wanted
to
have
at
least
listed
that
building
and
don't
really
want
to
see
it
come
down
or
a
modern
building?.
L
B
C
We
are
saying
is:
is
combined
with
the
batch
listing,
and
these
are
restrictive.
Angular
planes
from
the
stable
residential
designations
to
the
south
is
resulted
in
a
very
inefficient
building.
We
just
keep
it
as
is,
but
is
that
the
highest
and
best
use
across
from
a
station?
We?
We
just
really
wanted
to
have
those
fulsome
discussions
with
with
staff
and
again
we
don't
have
an
active
development
application.
These
are
plans,
we're
planning
for
15
years
from
now
and
I
just
believe
that
sometimes
people
with
active
development
applications
get
immediate
attention,
but
it
just
yeah.
Okay,.
B
Raising
I
understand
what
you're
asking
I
don't
know
how
much
we
could
actually
do
because
deferring
it
for
a
month
or
six
months.
I
don't
think,
would
resolve
that
issue.
I
think
it's
the
discussions
that
you
still
have
to
have
with
staff
about
that
area
because
they
can
along
the
line
and
nearer
mid-term,
still
recommend
changes
there
with
you.
But
I,
don't
know
if
you
really
think
that
a
deferral
for
a
month
that
three
months
would
make
a
difference.
Can
you
tell
me
why
we
would
have
something
different,
except
for
a
disagreement.
C
B
B
B
G
G
Intense
one
of
the
original
five
golf
centers
of
the
city
by
the
province
since
the
establishment
of
the
amalgamated
tronto
government
in
1998,
and
it
will
replace
official
plan
provisions
last
updated
in
2002.
So
frankly,
as
such,
it's
long
overdue,
and
so
we
we
generally
support
the
plan,
it's
very,
very
comprehensive
and
and
forward-looking,
and
in
the
understands
we
understand
it
conforms
to
the
provisions
of
the
provincial
golf
plan
for
the
Greater
Toronto
Hamilton
area.
More
than
meeting
growth
targets
for
the
subject
area.
G
As
such,
it
provides
a
much
needed,
comprehensive
basis
for
evaluating
development
applications
currently
under
review,
including
many
applications
for
tall
buildings
which
have
been
appealed
to
the
OMB.
So
it's
essential
that
this
plan
be
adopted
in
order
to
improve
the
city's
ability
to
defend
its
position
on
these
appeals,
as
well
as
to
deal
with
applications
will
be
made
in
future
and,
frankly,
for
the
residents
of
this
area,
they're.
Looking
for
some
certainty
as
to
the
future
of
the
area,
it's
just
been
so
so
uncertain.
G
Up
to
this
point,
a
critical
problem
for
the
young
engine
area
is
the
pressure
on
infrastructure
of
all
types
as
a
result
of
the
surging
drama
in
the
area.
The
plan
provides
what
seems
to
be
effective.
Guidance
for
building
heights,
provides
for
better
setbacks
and
improved
public
realm
and
defines
clear
requirements
for
improved
infrastructure
of
all
types,
physical
infrastructure,
community
service
facilities,
green
infrastructure,
including
new
public
parks,
public
transit
and
other
transportation
infrastructure,
walking
and
biking.
G
It
sets
out
a
clear
vision
statement
for
the
different
and
diverse
areas
that
comprise
the
young
engine
area
and
that
such
provides
clear
guidance
as
the
way
of
future
growth.
It
should
be
located
what
a
very
important
point
is
that
it
it
stresses
the
importance
of
greater
office
employment
in
the
area,
although
taking
into
account
some
of
the
comments
just
now,
it's
apparent
that
there
there
are
could
be
improvements
in
that
area.
One
concern
which
has
been
raised
already
today,
which
we
would
share
some
of
the
concerns,
is
around
building
heights.
G
The
usual
discussion
around
Heights
relates
to
from
staff
relates
to
the
fact
that
there
were
models
that
had
been
worked
on
computerized
models,
3d
modeling
of
of
the
the
landscape
and
shadowing,
and
so
on.
That
would
result
from
the
development
I
think
something
that
would
be
helpful
to
the
public
to
understand
and
maybe
be
better
understand.
What's
going
on
with
Heights
would
be
to
be
a
little
bit
more
open
and
transparent
in
terms
of
those
models.
G
G
Clearly,
there's
been
different
levels
of
involvement
of
different
communities
in
very
strong
involvement,
as
you
as
you're
aware
from
South
South
Eglinton
rapelay
associations
of
the
area
in
the
southeast
quadrant
has
been
a
lot
of
lot
of
involvement
from
the
northwest
quadrant
to
e
PRA
and
somewhat
from
arica,
maybe
less
so
in
in
me,
in
some
of
the
other
areas.
So
the
concerns
are
coming
out
now
about
Heights.
G
So
we
would
recommend
that
the
committee
recommended
to
City
Council
the
direction
be
given
to
reduce
the
specified
heights
of
new
buildings
on
the
north
side
of
Edmonton.
Back
to
the
heights
shown
in
the
draft
secondary
plan
proposal
submitted
to
this
committee.
At
the
November
meetings
now
I'll
pass
over
to
John
John
Boston.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
I
want
to
focus
on
two
things.
First
of
all,
on
the
necessity
of
passing
a
plan
like
this,
the
young
Eglinton
area
has
essentially
as
an
area
in
which
development
has
gotten
out
of
control.
That's
partly
due
to
the
fact
that
the
OMB,
in
the
way
it's
operated
looking
at
sites
sites
without
considering
effects
elsewhere
on
the
community.
M
It's
also
the
result
of
the
fact
that,
unfortunately,
we
have
not
had
a
plan
for
the
young
Jenkinson
area,
since
a
relatively
inadequate
plan
was
passed
back
into
it's
essential
that
we
have
the
protection
of
a
plan.
I
want
to
give
a
lot
of
credit
to
the
planning
staff
for
the
amount
of
work
they
put
into
it.
The
they've
evaluated
not
just
the
built
form
of
the
area,
but
what's
required
to
make
it
function
better
as
a
community.
M
All
of
all
of
those
elements
of
the
plan
are
very
important
and
we
applaud
what
the
staff
has
done.
I
think
it's
a
first-rate
plan,
I
think
it's
actually
one
of
the
best
plans
that
have
come
out
of
the
planning
staff
since
the
central
area
plan
back
thirty
years
ago.
So
I
want,
first
of
all
to
say
that.
Secondly,
I
would
like
to
come
to
the
question
of
infrastructure,
the
its
it
and
here
I
mean
comments
have
been
made
before
in
this
meeting
about
the
fact
that
water
pressure
is
a
problem.
M
We
know
that
we
also
see
it
but
I'm
talking
from
a
Summerhill
point
of
view,
simply
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
the
young
Eglinton
plan,
because
the
impact
of
the
young
Haden
plan
is
much
broader
than
just
young
Eglinton.
In
a
summer
health
subway
station,
it's
virtually
impossible
to
get
on
the
subway
during
the
morning
rush
hour.
M
People
in
the
area
that
commute
for
the
downtown
and
need
to
be
down
by
let's
say
9:30
I
have
to
typically
have
to
wait
for
four
or
five
cars
before
a
door
opens
where
there's
enough
space,
where
it's
not
so
fully
packed
that
you
can't
get
on
the
subway
issue
is
going
to
get
worse
and
so
I
turn
to
the
slide.
That's
that's
up
on
the
screen.
M
The
this
is
just
putting
together
some
of
the
implications,
as
we
see
it,
drawing
on
the
reports
from
staff
and
also
from
planners
hired
to
defend
developments
before
the
OMB
in
it
we're
talking
about
a
huge
increase
in
the
number
of
new
units
in
the
young
corridor,
not
just
in
young
Eglinton,
but
also
feeding
to
it
along
the
new
Eglinton
crosstown
link
and
also
in
to
the
north
in
North,
York
and
north
of
Eglinton.
We're
also,
of
course,
contributing
to
that
in
the
young
st.
M
Claire
area,
which
is
but
but
the
point
of
that
I
want
to
emphasize
is
that
all
of
this
is
resulting
in
a
huge
increase
in
in
ridership
the.
If
we
look
at
the
I
just
put
a
slide
up
on
the
screen
on
what
these
estimates
mean,
the
Yonge
Street
subway
capacity
is
being
increased
currently
by
signaling
improvements
and
so
forth.
It's
estimated
that'll
increase
the
capacity
by
approximately
15
percent.
M
These
the
lines
you
see
up
on
the
screen,
the
dashed
line
and
the
solid
line
are
the
sort
of
the
the
so-called
low
capacity
and
high
capacity
lines
of
the
TTC,
as
you
can
see
in
two
by
2023,
we're
substantially
above
the
high
end
of
the
expanded
capacity
starting
starting
at
Eglinton
and
expanding
as
you
go
down
the
congestion
at
that
the
bluer
young
station
is
going
to
be
extreme,
as
we've
already
seen
instances
where
that
has
been
a
serious
issue.
It's
going
to
get
worse.
B
Thank
you,
don't
you?
No,
no,
we
at
ten
minutes
and
you
knew
what
it
is
and
we
have
it
in
your
presentation
as
well
or
you
have
it
in
our
president.
Yes,
I
know
you're
just
repeating
your
presentation,
I'm
trying
to
be
polite
with
that.
Okay,
but
I,
appreciate
that,
because
I've
seen
the
charts
and
read
the
presentation,
yes,
are
there
questions
of
the
deputed?
You
may
get
to
answer
your
extra
comments.
Anyways
councillor,
Robinson
Thank,.
E
You
mr.
chair,
my
first
questions
for
Jeff
Cattell,
head
of
entre.
So
as
soon
as
the
report
was
released,
I
reached
out
to
you
right
after
the
public
meeting
and
we've
talked
spoken
a
couple
times.
My
first
concern
was
with
the
up
zoning
that
happened
and
then
really
really
wasn't
shared
broadly
with
the
public,
not
just
a
long
Eglinton,
but
specifically
along
Eglinton.
The
OP
Sony
took
place,
but
just
all
along
young,
you
and
I
have
talked
about
as
well
as
Roehampton
and
Broadway.
So
would
you
support
us
trying
to
alter
that
as
it
stands?.
G
Absolutely
I
I.
Don't
think
that
the
you
know
the
comparison
of
November
7
2000
17
to
May
2008
eeen,
has
really
been
done.
I'm,
not
aware
that
we
it
was.
It
was
a
surprise
to
us.
We
understand
that
there
were
meetings
with
various
stakeholders,
and
maybe
there
were
changes
that
came
out
of
those
meetings,
but
we
weren't
aware
of
though
it
wasn't
entirely
transparent
and.
E
G
G
E
E
B
E
B
E
G
B
You
any
other
questions
of
mr.
Goodell,
all
right,
the
other
deputy,
no,
not
seeing
any.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
will
move
on
to
plan.
Robinson
and
I
have
Maria
yeah
new
mr.
Robinson
you're,
here,
okay
and
then
after
it's
Maria
and
Hafner,
Mandal,
Minh
and
then
Vesna
Alaska.
So
mr.
Robinson
you've
got
your
five
minutes.
Okay,.
N
My
name
is
Glenn
Robinson
I
have
lived
on
Broadway
Avenue
for
17
years,
I
just
been
watching
how
the
neighborhood's
evolved
a
little
bit.
I've
noticed
up
to
a
few
years
ago
the
neighborhood
consisted
of
office
towers
near
Yonge
and
Eglinton
at
the
corner.
There,
the
extended
a
bit
to
the
west,
a
bit
to
the
east,
long
Eglinton
and
then
to
the
south
along
Yonge
down
through
the
Canadiens
hire
area.
N
You
know
the
blocks
on
Yonge
Amelie
to
the
north
of
Eglinton,
we're
a
shopping
area,
almost
not
quite
a
village,
because
it's
quite
busy,
but
it
was
kind
of
an
entertainment
area.
Restaurants
were
not.
There
were
no
high-rises,
there
were
mid
rises.
There
was
lots
of
sunshine
in
that
air
yeah,
and
that
was
a
very,
very
pleasant,
very
pedestrian-friendly
area,
Main
Street,
okay,
and
it
was
also
considered
for
years,
the
most
desirable
neighborhood
in
Toronto
to
live
in
and
most
recently
by
Toronto
Life
in
magazine
in
2014.
N
This
was
considered
the
most
desirable
neighborhood
so
what's
happening
now
is
about
a
quarter
of
that
young
shopping
strip
has
been
smashed
by
wrecking
balls.
Numerous
high-rise
towers
have
gone
up
in
the
northeast
quadrant
on
Broadway
there's
severe
gridlock,
every
rush-hour,
with
continual
honking
of
horns
and
increase
in
instances
of
aggression
and
road
rage.
It's
an
ordeal.
Do
it
through
ride
the
subway
downtown
quality
life
has
definitely
gotten
worse.
N
You
know
it's:
the
ratio
proposed
residential
units
to
proposed
commercial
gross
floor
area,
okay,
so
it
shows
smashingly.
Clearly,
the
point
is
that
someone
else
is
making
a
few
minutes
ago
the
fact
that
we're
basically
building
building
a
hugely
excessive
mount
of
residence
in
as
compared
to
other
buildings
and
we're
basically
turning
us
into
a
big
residential
ghetto.
N
So
I've
also
been
commits
over
the
last
attending
these
meetings
that
we
definitely
do
need
a
plan
for
sure.
Okay,
so
I'm,
just
requesting
the
portion
of
all
being
the
strip
of
Yonge
Street
and
the
northeast
area
be
reviewed
and
put
out
for
further
consultation
by
the
residents,
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
E
You
I'll
be
very
brief.
Thank
you
for
coming
today
and
and
exposing
this
this
issue.
So
the
there
are
currently
62
k,
people
and
33
K
jobs
in
the
secondary
plan
area.
The
ratio
of
people
to
jobs
is
going
down.
What
impact
do
you
think
this
will
happen?
Oh
the
will
have
it's
already,
you're
already
feeling
it
and
sensing
it
in
the
neighborhood,
but
if
this
continues
down
this
path,
what
would
the
outcome
be?
Well.
N
I
think
we're
gonna
have
more
more
people
there
living
in
the
area
that
they
there's
nowhere
for
them
to
work,
because
it's
all
residents
going
out
so
they're
gonna
have
to
commute.
Meanwhile,
we
don't
have
any
really
any
means
to
commute
downtown
part
of
the
problems,
we're
putting
the
people
to
downtown
area
without
any
of
the
amenities
we
don't
have
any
the
arts
or
the
culture
or
anything
like
that.
We're
just
putting
the
house-
and
it's
just
packing
thousands
of
people
here.
Okay,.
E
And
another
thing
you
touched
on
today
was
the,
and
we
haven't
heard
a
lot
about
that
is
the
congestion
and
gridlock,
particularly
I'll
reference
Broadway
Roehampton
those
streets.
Could
you
just
expand
a
bit
on
the
on
the
issues
that
are
impacting
and
not
just
motorists,
but
pedestrians,
cyclists,
all
all
road
users?
It's.
N
It's
it's
really
severe
both
in
the
morning
and
in
the
evening
in
the
morning,
especially
problem,
because
there's
there's
also
children
trying
to
go
to
school.
We
have
two
schools
right
there
right
by
the
corner
of
Yonge
and
Broadway
there.
Meanwhile,
we
have
residents
I,
think
a
lot
we're
passing
through,
but
one
thing
for
sure:
they're
all
a
hurry
and
none
we're
getting
anywhere.
Now
we
have
trucks
there
block
always
blocking
the
area.
The
road
is
very
narrow,
so
we
have
people.
N
We
have
continual
course
of
honking,
like
you
have
to
shut
your
windows
at
rush
hour,
because
all
you
hear
is
honking
and
increasingly
you
hear
people
yelling
and
screaming
out
there
they're,
you
know
they're
getting
starting
to
get
really
angry
and
it's
a
pretty
it
can
be
entertaining.
But
it's
a
it's
a
pretty.
It's
not
a
great
situation.
Okay,.
B
B
O
We
as
a
group
welcome
the
growth,
diversity
and
accessibility
to
our
neighborhood.
This
is
already
an
apartment
neighborhood
and
has
been
for
many
years.
There
are
already
many
rental
units
and
we
know
the
more
needed
and
condominiums
have
added
to
the
appeal
of
the
neighborhood
and
it's
updating.
So
we
support
the
idea
of
the
Midtown
and
focus
plan,
the
secondary
plan
and
its
overall
purpose
of
guiding
and
controlling
the
development
in
the
Yonge
and
Eglinton
neighborhood.
O
However,
with
due
respect
to
the
folks,
who've
already
made
some
of
these
present
some
presentations,
we
object
to
the
egregious
density
height
and
intense
overdevelopment.
That
is
targeting
two
streets,
Roehampton
and
Broadway
avenues.
The
way
the
in
the
northeast,
quadrant
and
I.
Think
a
number
of
people
have
already
mentioned
it.
The
way
the
plan
stands
now
creates
a
concrete
wall
around
these
two
blocks,
as
I'm
sure
you've
seen
on
map
2112.
O
Surely
we
can
come
up
with
a
plan
that
spreads
out
this
intensity
and
growth
a
little
more
evenly
and
does
not
pit
neighborhoods
against
neighborhood,
which
is
we
see
that
having
the
potential
of
happening?
To
this
end,
we
are
asking
for
a
community
consultation
that
focuses
on
the
intense
development
of
these
two
streets.
We
have
had
good
experience
working
with
developers
and
we've
had
success
coming
to
some
epidemic.
O
E
O
E
And
I
hope
that
they'll
each
take
time
to
read
it
because
it
was
very
well
thought
out
and
put
together.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
didn't
in
this
letter
that
you've
submitted.
You
talked
about
many
things
and
you've
addressed
them
today,
but
I
know
what
you
were
getting
at
in
your
remarks.
Its
distribution
and
it
feels
like
you've
said:
you've
got
a
bull's-eye
target
on
you
on
the
two
streets
that
you
have.
You
represent
many
people
on
those
streets.
E
You've
got
a
very
big
organization,
so
my
question
to
you
is:
could
the
city
really
address
this
in
a
more
effective
way
by
sharing
the
sharing?
The
wealth
of
you
might
might
call
it
that
or
a
better
distribution
across
across
the
city
of
these
into
this
high
level
of
intensification
that
we're
experiencing
definitely.
O
I
think
lowering
the
heights
you've
already
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
would
make
a
difference,
giving
us
some
kind
of
green
space
more
space
between
the
buildings.
That
would
make
a
huge
difference
in
this
wall
that
has
essentially
been
could
possibly
be
allowed
to
be
built
on
the
east
side
of
Yonge
Street
and
on
the
north
side
of
Eglinton,
which
essentially
creates
a
concrete
wall
around
us
around
the
two
specific
blocks.
O
E
O
The
heights
you're
the
high.
Definitely
this
is
the
first
time
that
we
saw
this
last
week
when
we
had
the
other
general
meeting.
So
yes,
we
were
quite
shocked
and
this
is
an
issue.
That's
come
up
several
times,
which
is
we
go
to
consultations.
We
would
see
with
the
presentations
and
they
all
look
fantastic
and
they
keep
changing.
The
heights,
keep
getting
increased
and
then,
lo
and
behold
we
are
we're
presented
with
a
we're
presented
with
a
map
that
looks
like
we've
just
been
enclosed
in
a
concrete
wall.
Okay,.
E
And
you
mentioned
also
livability,
which
we've
heard
from
many
residents
in
that
area.
I
really
want
to
make
sure
my
colleagues
understand
the
lack
of
green
space
in
that
area.
Could
you
again
comment
on
that
and
this
concept
of
a
red
path,
loop,
which
some
of
your
counter
your
colleagues,
have
mentioned,
that
they
didn't
think
that
was
even
achievable
because
of
buildings
being
in
the
way
of
a
potential
red
path,
loop,
which
would
have
created
a
bit
of
a
necklace
effect,
a
green
necklace,
but
very
very
challenging
to
implement.
O
We
would
love
to
have
green
space,
we
do
have
the
the
North
Toronto
Collegiate
field,
which
is
really
not
green.
It's
red,
fake
grass,
which
is
really
not
the
kind
of
park
space
that
we
would
like.
Also,
there
is
I
think
you
mentioned
it
before
the
this
tiny
little
red
path
park,
which
needs
to
be
there
expanded
or
upgraded,
or
something
needs
to
be
done
to
it.
The
loop
is,
of
course,
a
great
idea,
but
I
have
a
feeling.
A
lot
of
us
will
be
long
gone
by
the
time
that
actually
happens.
O
Some
of
us
may
feel
a
little
bit
older
today.
So
that
is
a
big
issue
for
us
and
then
the
other
thing
is
around
the
sidewalk
size.
A
lot
of
us
have
great
difficulty
with
that.
We
know
that
there's
been
an
effort
on
Roehampton
to
expand
the
sidewalk,
but
that's
a
tiny
little
area.
If
you
try
to
use
the
sidewalk
on
Broadway,
going
from
our
building
a
25
Broadway
out
to
Yonge
Street,
it
is.
O
B
B
L
Hello,
my
name
is
Samuel
F,
scott
and
I'm.
Gonna
take
less
than
five
minutes,
because
I'm
terrified
of
public
escapes
speaking
I
had
to
come.
I've
been
living
for
21
years
and
what
is
happening
now
is
it's
a
crime.
We
are
losing
our
community.
We
are
losing
what
we
have
built
and
communities
about
people
about
schools
and
about
parks,
communities
not
built
by
the
high-rise
and
a
concrete
and
and
new
ways.
L
So,
oh
I
think
lots
of
lots
of
people
raise
the
question
about
the
density
and
people
who
will
the
country
over
220,000
people
who
will
live
in
our
area,
but
I
want
to
tell
you
the
effect.
What
right
now
we
just
this
building
has
on
my
health,
and
many
people
who
have
been
talking
to
the
noise
is
incredible,
starts
at
6:30
in
the
morning
been
attracts
huge
trucks.
L
Actually,
I
have
a
just
this
morning
live
picture
and
a
noise
chicken
experience
I
believe
nobody
from
the
city
has
come
and
measured
the
noise
level,
which
is
dangerous.
My
ears
are
buzzing
constantly
Monday
to
Saturday
evening.
They
all
really
release
I
have
is
Sunday
because
the
construction
goes
for
six
hours.
The
other
issue
is
that
does
and
I've
been
because
it's
so
much
dance.
It's
affecting
our
lungs
I've
been
going
now
last
year
to
my
doctors.
They
couldn't
discover
anything
about
my
ears,
everything
fine,
nothing
in
my
and
conclusion.
L
It's
the
noise
and
dust
we're
breathing
and
the
last
thing
what
I
want
to
tell
you
is
the
sidewalks.
We
have
lost
our
sidewalks
in
Hampton
and
Broadway
all
of
them.
We
don't
have
them.
We
don't
have
half
of
the
streets,
because
the
city
allows
the
builders
to
take
away
our
sidewalks
and
part
of
the
streets.
So
there
is
no
walking.
There
is
no
driving
I
had
a
senior
crying
class
winter
not
being
able
to
walk
to
the
senior
home
because
with
two
trucks
parked
on
our
side,
Wells
and
that's
not
acceptable.
L
B
You
faster
are
there
questions,
so
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
coming,
because,
although
we're
not
dealing
with
the
impact
of
construction
and
what
happens
to
people
that
live
in
the
area,
I
think
it's
still
important
for
people
to
hear
that
and
I
would
suggest
you,
the
probably
call
3-1-1,
but
you
should
call
them
every
time
that
you
have
a
concern.
Construction
cannot
start
before
7:00
and
should
finish
by
7:00
that
I'm
sure.
L
B
L
B
Said
that
I'm
sure,
if
you
place
the
concern
with
three
101,
call
your
local
counselor,
that
they
will
try
to
work
on
your
behalf.
It
is
difficult
because
you
have
to
get
someone
out
on
the
site
to
see
the
problem
to
issue
infraction
notices,
but
we
do
try
very
hard
during
construction
to
do
that
and
I
think
that
your
local
counselor
would
be
able
to
assist
you
and
would
want
to
help
you
in
finding
ways
to
leave
there.
B
Speaking
on
behalf
of
not
just
yourself
but
of
all
your
neighbors
in
the
community
and
I
know
the
sensitivity
of
all
my
colleagues
that
live
in
that
area.
To
that
so
I'm
just
suggesting
call
them
and
let
them
do
everything
they
can
and
I'm
sure
that
we'll
be
able
to
find
a
way
to
at
least
try
to
clamp
down
on
that
symptom
work
for
you.
Thank
you
for
coming,
I
have
Tony
Gardner
and
then
I
have
Mark
Benelli
air,
so
Tony
is
first.
P
Push
the
button,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I
also
am
a
member
of
the
AR
RA.
My
wife
and
I
moved
to
Toronto
from
Vancouver
three-and-a-half
years
ago
to
be
close
to
our
children
and
grandchildren.
Reading
the
Midtown
vision
statement,
I
can
understand
why
many
in
the
neighboring
areas
would
support
it.
It
envisions
a
livable
and
complete
community
with
new
buildings
parks,
open
spaces
and
green
infrastructure
projects
to
improve
air
and
water
quality.
P
Unquote,
the
official
plan
outlines
the
various
character
areas
and
the
charming
qualities
which
will
be
maintained
to
keep
the
character
of
areas
such
as
Erskine
and
Keewatin,
the
red,
paws,
Park,
Street,
loop
area,
the
Soudan
character,
area,
etc,
but
I
see
no
mention
of
the
character
of
the
Broadway
Roehampton
area,
which
does
not
seem
to
be
part
of
the
vision
statement.
It
is
already
a
high-density
area
and
the
Midtown
plan
calls
for
much
much
greater
density
with
no
provision
for
any
significant
green
space.
P
P
Shockingly
money
generated
from
several
new
developments
on
our
two
streets
will
help
fund
the
Soudan
Burkett's
south
of
Eglinton
far
from
our
area.
Furthermore,
the
narrow,
sidewalks
and
streets
were
laid
out,
as
was
previously
mentioned
when
the
area
housed
residential
homes
and
low-rise
buildings.
So
we
already
have
overcrowded
walkways
and
impossible
traffic
do
I
dance
all
to
injury
with
no
positive
amenities
for
our
area.
We
are
asked
to
accept
a
plan
that
allows
50-plus
storey,
high
rises
from
Eglinton
north
to
Broadway
and
east
to
red
pass.
P
The
Official
Plan
amendment
could
be
more
stringent
in
areas
such
as
ours
and
lower
new
building
heights
to
mitigate
what
the
OMB
is
approving
and
outline
a
more
measured
and
slower
rate
of
development
to
allow
some
catching-up
of
the
infrastructure
and
make
the
construction
disruption
more
for
those
of
us
in
the
area
of
Roehampton
on
Broadway.
This
plan
does
not
fulfill
the
vision
statement
for
a
livable
complete
community
with
amenities
to
improve
our
quality
of
life.
The
RRA
is
already
submitted
a
well
thought-out
in
a
detailed
position
paper
which
has
being
mentioned.
P
I
have
the
copy
with
me
and
I
trust.
You
will
give
it
your
full
attention
by
the
way.
That
concludes
my
presentation,
but
I
too
would
like
to
invite
you,
mr.
chair,
and
your
members,
to
come
up.
Take
the
subway
up
to
Yonge
and
Eglinton,
walk
up
to
Roehampton,
walk
east
and
Roehampton
down
the
red
path
north
to
Broadway,
back
to
Yonge,
Street
again
and
you'll
get
a
true
flavor
between
the
hours
of
7:00
and
6:00
p.m.
on
a
weekday
of
what
life
is
like
these
days.
Thank
you.
B
P
B
P
P
B
The
last
speaker,
I,
have
as
bark
and
pinnell
here
said,
pronounced
properly,
and
is
he
here
looking
for
mark
ba
and
e
li
e,
not
seeing
any.
Let's.
My
last
call
for
mr.
la
year,
I
had
an
abnormal
man
which
isn't
here,
I
had
a
Clive
Raymond,
which
is
left
and
I
had
a
mic
drawer
and
that's
all
the
names
of
the
pearsons
that
I
had
on
the
public
speaking
list.
C
B
E
C
E
I
have
a
hundred
questions.
I
can
ask
you,
but
there's
not
enough
time
so
I'm
just
going
to
zero
on
a
few.
That
really
reflects
some
of
the
comments
from
the
constituents
and
the
deputies
here
today.
There's
a
number
of
streets
that
really
there's
a
significant
impact
on
there
already
has
been
because
it's
been
like
the
Wild
West
at
Yonge
and
Eglinton
and
I've
spoken,
both
at
executive
and
council
about
that
many
times.
E
My
question
to
you
is
this:
is
there
not
a
way
to
do
more
distribution
across
the
city,
then
everything
happening
in
yet
the
young
Eglinton
area,
because
certainly
that's
the
feedback
and
the
questions
I've
had
put
to
me
as
local
one
of
the
local
city
councillors
is
why
Yonge
and
Eglinton
I
understand
you
know,
there's
a
transit
being
built,
there's
transit
there,
although
the
ATC
allows
it
not
to
be
very
reliable
or
have
serious
capacity
issues.
But
bottom
line
is
what
about
just
better
distribution
across
the
city
through.
Q
Ultimately,
that
is
the
goal
to
distribute
the
growth
factors
that
have
concentrated
the
growth,
of
course
up
and
down
the
young
line,
you've
seen
it
in
North,
York
Center
and
in
Yonge
and
Eglinton,
and
downtown
as
the
attractiveness
of
the
areas,
the
the
existing
transit.
That
is
there,
the
marketability
of
the
site's,
the
land
value
dynamic,
that's
in
play
and
has
been
in
played
for
a
decade
and
and
they've.
They
are
currently
the
most
attractive
places
to
to
sell
and
market
residential
development.
At
the
same
time,
we've
been
encouraging
as
much
as
we
can.
Q
The
distribution
of
employment
growth
across
the
city
also
aligned
with
our
transit
system,
and
there
again
you
see
the
dynamic
of
the
land
values
that
are
variable
across
the
city
and
our
ability
to
attract
jobs.
To
some
areas
versus
other
areas
is
is
uneven,
because
zoning
and
Official
Plan
designations
are
not
a
panacea
alone
for
the
market.
Attractiveness
of
some
of
these
areas.
E
Ok,
my
other
questions
related
to
parks
and
green
space
in
this
area
and
clearly
a
major
deficit
in
the
northeast
quadrant
of
the
plan
I'm
guessing
largely
because
of
the
value
of
the
land.
But
again
the
feeling
is
that
think
these
IDs
concepts
like
the
red
path,
loop,
a
low,
sound,
very
magical.
They
would
have
to
happen
on
an
incremental
basis,
meaning
as
one
of
our
deputies
said,
and
many
of
us
won't
see
that
in
our
lifetime.
So
what
interim
measures
do
you
propose
for
an
area
that
has
such
a
significant
park
deficit,
red
path?
E
Q
Make
one
general
comment
and
then
hand
it
over
to
miss
Ritz
thee.
There's,
no
doubt
that
it's
a
challenge,
your
master
planning
in
an
infill
context,
not
unlike
our
experience
with
Teal'c
or
so
we've
laid
down
a
parks
in
public
realm
plan
that
I
think
works
very
creatively
to
to
discover
and
deter
how
to
best,
develop
and
accentuate
the
public
realm
out
onto
existing
parks.
Yes,
create
new
parks,
but
we
have
the
frustration,
a
very
expensive
land
to
contend
with,
so
we've
had
to
be
more
creative.
Q
C
C
That
is
a
key
policy
direction
and
with
respect
to
the
red
path,
Park
Street
loop
and
its
delivery,
we
fully
intend
to
be
delivering
that
as
part
of
the
redevelopment
in
the
development
applications
and
we're
fully
within
our
rights
of
the
city,
to
request
that
as
part
of
the
development.
So
we
do
anticipate
that
that
will
start
to
materialize
shortly.
Lastly,.
Q
B
You
are
there
any
questions,
I'm
members
of
a
committee,
so
I
would
just
like
to
ask
one
question.
We
haven't
done
gone
down.
The
road
open
would
be
to
mr.
Jeronimo.
There
was
a
question
raised
about
water,
and
sewer
capacity.
In
particular,
sewer
capacity
is
becoming
a
greater
issue
around
the
city
when
we
try
to
look
at
things
comprehensively,
as
you
found
in
the
waterfront,
as
we
recently
found
in
the
development
area
and
the
community
I
represent.
B
So
can
you
give
us
a
brief
update
as
to
is
there
capacity
now
what
improvements
are
being
in
place
and
what
type
of
storage
facilities
are
going
to
have
to
be
there
or
might
have
to
be
put
in
place
as
I've
gone?
As
far
as
hearing
that
some
buildings
may
have
to
build
storage
capacity
within
their
own
buildings
and
then
wait
for
a
later
date
in
hi,
storm
or
other
areas
for
that
sewage
to
be
able
to
go
down
the
line.
Q
Mr.
chair,
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
give
a
quick
general
overview
of
infrastructure
issues
and
I'll
hand
it
off
to
Toronto
water
staff
to
answer
some
of
those
specific
ones
on
storage
watch
time,
I'll
watch
the
time
so
in
general,
the
big
issue
in
this
area
has
to
do
more
with
the
storm
sewers.
When
you,
when
you
take
a
look
and
analyze
the
storm
sewer
system,
you
do
have
some
problem
situations
even
today,
existing
with
Overland
flow
and
capacity
issues
with
respect
to
sanitary
sewers.
Generally,
today,
the
in
dry
weather
conditions
everything's
performing
as
designed.
Q
Unfortunately,
when
it
rains,
we
do
have
some
locations
where
even
the
sanitary
systems,
because
it
is
partly
combined
system
in
that
area
as
well.
It's
an
older
system.
We
do
have
some
issues
with
sanitary
on
the
water
main
side.
We
do
have
some
localized
issues
with
respect
to
fire
flows,
because
you
have
a
mixture
of
different
pipe
sizes
and
age,
as
well
as
the
complexities
of
a
boundary
issue
that
predated
amalgamation,
where
we
need
to
catch
up
with
some
infrastructure.
So
that's
the
existing
situation,
the
short
answer
on
to
deal
with
growth.
C
Q
So
if
I
could
just
clarify
that
point,
so
there
are
cases
where
we'll
ask
people
to
hold
stormwater
on-site
and
it's
part
of
the
wet
weather
flow
guidelines
and
the
way
they
design
new
buildings.
There
are
some
requests
made
by
developers
for
us
also
to
hold
sanitary
flows
and
discharge
it
at
another
time
of
the
day
from
Toronto
water's
perspective.
Q
That
is
not
a
standard
that
we
we
find
acceptable
because
to
us
it's
hard
to
control
when
the
domestic
flow
is
going
to
happen
so
well,
you
should
have
constant
flow
out
of
the
building,
as
opposed
to
a
storm
situation
which
is
a
peak.
So
that's
the
two
issues
on
tanks.
The
Toronto
water
has
taken
we'll
look
at
storm
tanks
for
temporary
storage
during
the
storm,
but
sanitary
tanks
we
are
not
supportive
of
is.
It
is.
C
You,
mr.
chair
by
and
large,
there
are
no
show
stoppers
at
this
time
with
respect
to
the
underground
systems
in
that
area,
but,
as
general
manager
is
pointed
out
when
we're
dealing,
if
we
look
at
strictly
dry
weather
flows,
the
systems
that
are
in
place
are
more
than
adequate.
The
issue
arises
in
the
context
of
wet
weather
flows
and
given
the
the
number
of
combined
sewers
in
the
area
and
the
existing
storm
sewers.
C
That
is
where
we
feel
a
pinch
point
with
respect
to
modeling
some
of
those
high
storm
water
flows
that
could
occur
in
that
area.
So
by
and
large,
basically
the
the
combined
sewer
system,
80%
of
it
functions
exactly
as
it's
supposed
to
it
is
the
remaining
20%
in
the
context
of
those
large
storm
events
that
become
surcharge
and.
Q
And
if
the
development
does
not
attenuate
those
extra
storm
flows
properly
and
our
guidelines
say
they
must,
you
will
just
worsen
the
present
situation.
So
that's
an
issue
of
why
we
have
the
other
flow
guidelines
and
developers
must
improve
the
storm
situation
to
proceed
with
any
development.
Thank.
B
B
B
F
But
then,
even
before
that
we
did
the
Midtown
of
focusone
plan
which
focused
on
public
realms.
So
first
we
did
the
public
realm
component
and
now
this
is
sort
of
the
everything
else
portion
of
the
plan,
which
is
essentially
a
study
of
the
secondary
plan.
So
for
years
now
there
has
been
unbridled
growth
and
in
the
Yonge
and
Eglinton
secondary
plan
area.
F
The
route
of
this
began
back
in
2005
2006,
with
the
the
passage
of
the
places
to
grow
act
and
the
and
the
growth
plan
and
the
province
decided
to
prescribe
growth
that
specific
urban
sent
urban
growth
centers,
including
Yonge
and
Eglinton.
The
idea
of
that
as
I've
told
my
community.
It
was
a
good
idea
because
the
whole
concept
is
to
mitigate
sprawl
onto
the
Oak
Ridges,
Moraine
and
the
Greenbelt,
and
to
have
specific
intensified
areas
within
urban
urban
zones.
F
That
being
said,
there
was
nothing
there
to
ensure
in
law
that
the
quality
of
life
would
keep
up
with
the
pace
of
growth.
So
what
we've
seen
is
that
the
population
is
exploded.
Car
dokkan,
dokkan,
dokkan
dough,
but
it
hasn't
kept
a
balance
with
employment.
It
hasn't
the
public
realm
hasn't
kept
up
with
the
needs.
The
school
capacity
the
schools
are
overcrowded.
F
The
school
board
has
had
to
struggle
to
actually
not
only
move
around
the
catchment
areas
recently,
but
in
fact
they
actually
had
to
take
all
the
6-3
classes
out
of
the
elementary
schools,
move
them
into
the
middle
school
and
now
they're
still
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
Eglinton
public
school
and
now
they're
changing
the
catchment
area
there.
They
really
don't
know
what
to
do
and
they're
subject
to
provincial
decisions
about
capital
dollars,
which
they
have
a
dearth
of.
F
F
So
you
don't
know
practically
if
you're
gonna
get
to
work
on
time
or
school
on
time,
and
then
many
people
understandably
select
to
use
a
car,
because
the
subways
in
reliable
and
there's
been
many
years
of
an
action
up
until
recently
to
actually
move
forward
with
the
relief
subway
lining,
so
pipes
and
wires
are
concerned,
too,
is
Lewis
saying
earlier
about
sewer
capacity.
There
are
concerns
about
lectric
hole
capacity
and
we've
needed
this
secondary
plan
review
for
a
long
time.
F
I
also
want
to
acknowledge,
by
the
way
I
could
have
just
alluded
to
and
I
refer
to,
the
associations,
but
I
want
to
everyone
from
the
Republic
residence
Association
to
Sarah
to
Fonterra
and
I
could
go
on
and
on.
Like
all
the
different
associations
in
the
area,
they
haven't
just
been
sort
of
at
the
meetings,
they've
really
been
involved
in
a
lot
of
the
detailed
policy
discussions.
They
are
in
many
ways,
co-authors
of
where
we're
gonna
go.
Now.
F
What
we've
heard
recently
from
if
I
call
them
co-authors
from
a
residence
in
part
of
my
ward
in
the
northeast
quadrant
northeast
of
Yonge
and
Eglinton,
is
that,
while
there
may
only
really
be
a
couple
of
soft
sites
left,
given
the
amount
of
development
in
the
area
and
in
recent
years,
there's
a
significant
concern
that,
even
if
there's
only
a
couple
places
that
this
will
further
exacerbate
the
impact
and
quality
of
life
that
they've
experienced
and
already
a
dearth
of
services
and
green
space
and
etc.
And
they
don't
believe
that
that
is
acceptable.
And
that's.
F
Why
I
think
it's
incredibly
important
to
go
back
to
the
community
and
have
a
meeting
as
we're
discussing
you're
gonna,
see
motions
to
to
do
that
and
then
to
understand.
You
know
what
they
would
support
and
what
they
think
is
reasonable,
while
also
balancing
our
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
strength
within
this
policy.
So
it
isn't
successfully
appealed
by
a
developer,
so
we
need
to
kind
of
arrive
there
and
then
come
back
and
get
something
passed
next
month.
I
also
want
to
add
that
we
are
we
are
starting
to
you
know.
F
While
we
acknowledge
all
the
problems
we're
starting
to
incrementally
push
back.
So
you
know,
we
as
a
community
led
the
fight
to
abolish
the
MB
and
the
government
listened
to
us,
and
now
we
have
a
new
body,
the
local
Planet,
Appeals
Tribunal.
The
proof
will
be
in
the
pudding
to
see
sort
of
how
it
rolls
out,
but
the
reforms
that
are
part
of
that
are
significant
and
critically
important.
We
also
fought
to
get
this.
F
F
Somebody
said
earlier:
let's
not
let
this
not
be
a
kind
of
community
versus
community
kind
of
issue.
No,
we
are
one
community.
We
are
Yonge
and
Eglinton
anything
that
happens
in
any
neighborhood
in
Yonge
and
Eglinton
impacts.
The
entire
community
I
think
we
need
to
be
looking
at
holding
violence
on
new
applications
to
actually
give
real
time
for
the
infrastructure
and
social
services
to
finally
meet
the
pace
of
development.
F
E
E
I
also
really
want
to
thank
the
constituents
and
the
deputies
that
came
out
today,
some
of
them
on
very
short
notice,
some
of
them
who
just
really
learned
about
this
last
night
and
one
gentleman
had
to
leave
because
he
couldn't
stay
all
day,
but
he
just
literally
found
out
about
this
last
night
and
then
came
made
his
way
to
City
Hall
today,
so
I
thought
they
made
excellent
presentations.
It
can
be
a
very
intimidating
setting
to
speak
here
and
they
all
did
a
great
job.
E
I
think
Vesna
spoke
about
the
real
emotion
of
the
neighborhood
and
where
she
displayed
the
fact
that
people
feel
it's
not
livable.
It's
a
concrete
jungle,
it's
even
affecting
people's
health.
So
that's
how
far
we've
we've
gone
in
the
young
edgington
area
I
also
want
to
just
before
I
forget
thank
councillor
shiner,
who
has
been
as
the
chair
of
this
committee.
A
huge
support
to
all
of
us,
particularly
me,
I,
think
I've
driven
him
crazy.
E
Since
this
report
was
released
and
he's
been
very
generous
with
his
time
and
his
consideration
of
public
meeting,
which
he
will
be
moving
on,
our
behalf,
so
I'm
very
grateful
to
councillor
shiner
and
his
his
ear
for
years,
I've
been
talking
about
close
to
eight
years.
A
moratorium
in
this
area.
I
had
many
conversations
with
our
chief
planner,
our
former
chief
planner
Jennifer
Keyes
Matt
I
spoke
about
it
at
executive
at
Council.
We
are
in
desperate
need
of
ketchup
in
this
area,
a
pause,
a
breath.
It
has
been
unprecedented.
E
The
level
of
intensification
in
the
young,
Eglinton
area
and
I've
also
spoke
many
times
at
Council
is
that
there
is
an
oblate
aggress
for
people
to
enjoy,
or
even
for
your
pets
to
do
their
business.
A
pardon
my
language,
but
it's
becoming
desperate
people
are
describing
it
as
a
massive
construction
site.
That
was
once
one
of
the
most
desirable
neighborhoods
in
Toronto.
E
People
are
describing
it
as
they're
choking
on
their
way
home
and
their
way
back
because
of
the
dust
and
the
concrete
and
the
trucks
parked
all
over
sidewalks,
which
I
also
spoke
about
at
licensing
committee
ones.
Trucks
parked
all
over
sidewalks
impacting
pedestrians
access.
It's
been
a
really
unpleasant
time
for
this
neighborhood
and
coupled
with
the
talk
about
the
water
pressure
and
the
lack
of
parks
and
green
space
in
public
realm.
Also,
the
big
the
big
elephant
in
the
room
is
the
young
line
line
one
and
the
issues
on
line.
E
One
are
capacity
and
reliability
issues
and
last
week,
I
had
a
resident
contact
me
and
say
they
won't
waited
six
trains
in
the
morning
to
get
down
to
base
treat
six
trains.
Then
you
get
on,
and
I've
talked
about
this
multiple
times
that
committee
and
council
and
you're
like
a
sardine
and
it's
stop
start
stop
start
stop
start
because
of
the
ATC,
the
automatic,
odd,
automated
transit
control,
singling
system
that
was
promised
to
me
at
a
public
meeting
by
Andy
by
for
it
in
2017
that
clearly
isn't
going
to
happen
and
I
understand.
E
E
So
that's
why
in
2015
I
moved
on
motion
on
infrastructure
just
because
of
these
issues,
along
with
the
other
things
that
have
been
cited,
including
schools
and
community
centers,
but
simple
things
like
water
pressure,
I'm
very
concerned
about
that
one
aspect,
let
alone
all
them
other
major
aspects
around
transit,
so
I've
had
a
great
opportunity
to
speak
to
some
of
the
residents
in
the
area.
They
feel
like
there's
a
bit
of
a
bull's-eye
on
their
back.
E
We
heard
that
today
they
want
to
know
why
there
isn't
better
distribution,
I
guess
the
thing
that
we'd
really
like
to
see
happen
and
I
understand,
hopefully
will
happen
if
you
as
a
as
a
committee,
will
endorse.
It
is
another
public
meeting,
because
we
heard
from
people
today
that
the
up
zoning
that
took
place
in
the
last
few
months
was
not
something
that
was
people
are
really
aware
of
and,
as
I
said,
there's
people
who
are
just
learning
of
this
exercise
in
recent
days.
E
E
But
if
you
look
at
the
the
phased
in
approach
and
the
need
for
the
development
type
of
before
the
green
space
happens,
we're
still
in
this
horrible
in
terms
pace
where
we're
not
really
dealing
with
the
concrete
and
the
lack
of
livability
and
then.
Lastly,
of
course,
the
heights
are
of
great
concern
because
of
sunlight
shadow
and
again
I
will
use
the
word.
Livability
I
can't
use
it
enough.
So
I
want
to
again
wrap
up
by
saying.
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
residents
who
came
down.
E
B
Thank
you.
I
have
a
number
of
motions
now
because
we're
coming
into
committee,
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
place
them
up
on
the
screen.
Allow
them
to
be
scrolled
through
I'll,
give
a
brief
description
of
what
they
are
and
then,
if
it's
okay
with
the
committee
I'll
comment
after
on
it.
So
the
first
motion.
B
Which
you
can
read,
but
there's
a
lot
there.
There's
a
number
of
issues
have
been
identified
by
my
colleagues,
all
three
of
them
in
the
area
and
by
the
public,
and
these
are
the
questions
that
have
come
up,
whether
we
would
or
wouldn't
make
changes
and
how
we
would
do
that.
So
the
first
one
is
dealing
with
some
building
heights.
That's
a
the
second
one
is
dealing
with
better
employment
opportunities
because
there
isn't
a
lot
of
employment
opportunities
or
adding
employment
in
the
area
to
this
area.
That's
growing
a
lot.
B
B
Holding
provisions,
which
was
also
a
question
that
was
here
and
getting
a
range
of
mixed
housing
in
the
area,
which
was
an
important
issue
with
us.
So
that
is
what
motion
number
one
is
then
generally
is
putting
forward
what
we
are
considering
and
trying
to
have
that
information
out
for
I,
you
know
I
will
show
where
we
were
gonna
deal
with
it.
The
second
meeting,
the
second
motion
that
I
have
is
finding
ways
motion
number
two
to
get
more
parkland
in
the
area
and
we're
comprehensively
on
some
sites
that
might
be
available.
B
This
one
here
be
adjourned
until
July
5th,
together
with
motions
2,
&
3,
no
further
notice
be
given
and
the
intention
there
is,
and
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
we've
done
in
the
past.
We
are
going
to
go
out
and
have
another
committee
consultation
meeting.
My
colleagues
are
gonna
continue
to
discuss
with
staff
some
of
the
changes
that
they're
looking
at
and
height
and/or
population
staff
will
then
come
back
and
make
sure
that
anything
that
might
be
recommended
if
it's
outside
of
what
is
in
the
growth
plan
that
we're
notified
of
that.
B
And
then
there
will
still
be
the
opportunity
for
those
of
the
public.
If
there
is
new
information
in
front
of
us
to
come
and
depute
on
that,
so
we're
open
to
that
and
hearing
from
people,
so
we're
not
just
taking
it
and
either
setting
it
to
council
with
new
recommendations
there
or
making
recommendations
here
we're
trying
to
be
open
to
all
those
people
here
to
deal
with
the
issues
and
then
we'll
be
back
on
the
fifth
to
deal
with
it.
So
those
are
the
motions
that
I've
placed
in
speaking
to
the
item.
B
I
think
a
tremendous
amount
of
leadership
has
to
be
given
to
Toronto
City,
Council
and
I
say
that,
because
the
population
has
been
growing
for
a
long
time,
request
was
made,
but
on
June
12,
2015
canceled
and
consideration
of
OPA
289,
the
Midtown
parkland
directed
the
built
form,
growth
and
infrastructure
study,
which
is
the
origin
of
this
plan.
You
know
we
we
had
a
very
senior
staff
member
living
in
that
area
that
was
living
through
this
mess
and
seeing
the
growth
and
wasn't
bringing
anything
to
us.
B
Council
had
to
act
and
get
staff
to
move
on
this,
because
the
population
in
the
area
in
2006
was
51,000,
2011
57,
but
by
2016
we
have
62,000
people
plus
room
for
19,000.
More
to
move
in
this
place
was
blowing
up
and
that's
the
complaints
that
we've
heard
today
and
in
fairness
to
those
that
want
to
develop
in
the
area.
B
There
was
no
real
guidelines
in
place
to
say
what
we're
looking
for,
and
then
the
OMB
stepped
in
on
many
many
of
the
applications
and
made
decisions
that
I
think
from
planning
staffs
perspective,
don't
feel
they
were
appropriate
and,
as
it
was
said
today,
that
bar
kept
getting
lifted
without
a
plan
in
place
without
a
plan
in
place
and
no
plan
coming
forward
from
planning
staff.
At
that
time.
B
It
was
Council
that
enacted
this
to
go
forward,
and
it
was
a
it's
a
sincere
disappointment,
I
think
to
everyone
that
were
at
the
position
that
we're
at
without
a
plan
in
place
and
that's
the
need
that
has
been
emphasized
to
us
to
have
a
plan
in
place
to
give
direction.
I
think
the
issue
of
the
appropriate
population
and
dealing
with
issues
of
transportation
capacity,
because
we
know
the
subway
isn't
able
to
do
it
and
handle
what's
coming
out
of
that
area.
B
The
crosstown
isn't
going
to
make
it
better:
there's,
not
employment,
being
added
to
the
area,
so
people
are
gonna,
try
and
get
on
a
subway
line
to
go
somewhere
else,
and
yet
we
have
a
relief
line
coming
up.
That's
only
stopping
at
Danforth,
but
has
plans
to
go
north.
No,
it
should
go
continue
to
go
north.
You
don't
stop
the
shovel
when
you
get
to
the
Danforth,
you
use
it
as
your
first
step
and
continue
up
to
Eddington
and
up
to
Shepherd
Avenue
to
allow
the
relief
that's
needed.
B
We
are
losing
off
his
face
and
I've
continued
to
his
office.
Her
employment
space
there,
even
the
gentleman
that
was
here
stuck
with
a
site
that
he
can't
build
what
he
liked
you
to
get
more
offices
in
there
cuz
it's
residential,
so
we
in
the
parks
plan
is
not
sufficient.
I,
look
at
the
plan.
I
think
everyone
that
does
doesn't
have
to
have
all
the
good
work
that
staff
have
tried
to
do
with
on-site,
but
show
me
where
you're
gonna
walk
to
sit
down
sit
in
a
park.
B
We
don't
have
big
spaces
for
that
in
the
middle
of
these
high-density
developments
and
that
might
be
a
cost
implication.
Well,
that's
where
council
steps
in
to
say
we
want
to
see
it'll,
we
can
talk
about
rail
deck,
Park
downtown.
Then
we
can
talk
about
a
large
park
in
this
area
to
one
of
the
densest
areas
in
the
city
120,000
people
living
in
this
community.
B
Tell
you
an
answer
to
the
case:
do
I
walk
the
area
yeah
and
my
fastest
walk
it's
once
I
get
down
to
Broadway
and
I
just
want
to
get
down
south
of
that
area,
because
even
in
in
the
nicest
weather,
it's
a
terrible
place
and
we've
allowed
that
to
happen,
and
we
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
on
agent
and
Avenue
as
well.
We
do
want
development,
but
we
want
something:
that's
a
livable
appropriate
place
to
live
and
I.
B
Believe
I
am
speaking
not
just
at
all
for
myself,
but
for
my
colleagues
both
at
represent
the
area.
Colleagues
across
the
city
that
know
the
area
and
the
public.
That's
there
and
I
believe
also
for
the
development
industry
who
doesn't
want
to
build
with
some
might
call
a
ghetto
when
they
don't
plan
that
they
have
a
job
that
they
feel
to
do,
which
is
develop
properties
in
a
reasonable
manner.
B
And
if
we
give
them
a
plan,
then
they
know
what
we
like
to
see
them
do
and
then
they
can
carry
it
out
and
then,
with
all
this
in
mind,
I
still
believe
that
the
way
that
this
is
going
forward
under
Section
26
is
the
appropriate
way.
We
are,
though,
trying
to
accommodate
everything
that
people
have
said
to
make
sure
that
we
come
back
with
any
changes.
We
have
that
people
can
speak
to
us
about
that
and
we
do
proper
consideration
when
we
go
forward
with
this
ad
committee
and
then
at
Council.
B
So
I
really
want
to
thank
you
know,
there's
so
many
people
that
have
been
involved,
the
planning
staff
have
been
incredible.
My
colleagues
have
been
incredible.
Working
together
on
this
I
think,
we've
gotten
to
a
great
point
and
I
hope
that
on
the
fifth
of
July,
we
can
take
this
to
the
finish
line
and
set
it
onto
Council
and
have
a
plan
in
place
that
everybody
will
be
happy
with,
but.
C
B
F
M
B
Item
my
vote
on
one,
so
we
vote
on
one
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
is
carried
unanimously
now
I
vote
on
how
I've
ocean
mode
now
I
vote
on
motion
for
which
is
to
have
this
at
the
special
public
meeting,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
is
carried
and
now
I'm
deferring
the
other
two
motions
until
the
next
meeting.
But
our
motions
are
public
for
everyone
to
see
and
I
really
want
to.
Thank
again
everyone
for
doing
this.
We
have
gotten
through.
B
C
B
B
R
Thank
you
so,
just
so
I
understand
from
reading
the
report,
there
are
a
series
of
issues
that
stand
in
the
way
of
finding
potential
suitable
sites
for
shelters.
So
this
report
is
asking
us
to
go
out
for
public
consultation
with
essentially
two
recommendations,
that
is,
the
250
and
80
meter
requirements
that
correct.
C
You
mr.
chair
at
this
point,
there
are
no
recommendations
related
to
those
two
items:
the
250
meter,
separation,
distance
and
80
meters
back
from
a
major
street.
The
report
speaks
to
options
for
both
of
those
different
ways.
We
could
look
at
that
and
that's
part
of
going
out
with
the
consultation
and
getting
that
feedback.
C
R
Q
R
C
R
Okay,
so,
given
that
it's
the
only
these
two
performance
standards-
and
we
have
a
crisis
now
and
we're
not
in
90
percent
of
the
sites
that
may
have
potential
we're
not
going
to
we're
not
going
to
try
and
solve
the
problems
around
those
sites.
How
does
this
help
solve
a
crisis,
considering
that
it
would
come
back
next
year
when
by
next
year,
if
people
don't
have
shelters
for
the
winter
time,
we're
a
problem
through.
Q
The
chair,
musical
shelter
staff
are
here
and
maybe
want
to
comment
on
that.
I
would
just
generally
say
that
we've
considered
that
matter
and
in
the
context
of
sites
that
they're
currently
looking
to
set
up
the
zoning
is
not
an
immediate
frustration.
So
we
do
have
time
to
consider
implementing
councils
goal
into
2019
and
come
back
after.
J
You,
mr.
chair,
we
have
the
sites
we
need
for
2018.
We
are
continuing
to
search
for
sites
that
we
can
open
in
2019.
Of
course,
we
need
to
find
those
relatively
quickly
if
we're
going
to
open
them
in
2019,
we
would
welcome
any
latitude
on
you
know
on
being
able
to
find
as
a
write
zoning
but
working
with
our
colleagues
and
planning
we.
We
know
this
is
a
contentious
issue
and
we
see
the
benefit
in
doing
a
public
consultation
process
to
make
sure
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
what
communities
think
so.
J
Well,
we'll
continue
to
look
for
sites;
it
often
takes
us
several
months
to
complete
the
due
diligence
process.
So
if
we
identify
sites
that
may
be
approved
based
on
some
latitude
on
these
performance
measures,
we
can
continue
to
pursue
them,
and
hopefully
early
in
2019
be
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
close
on
those
sites.
R
J
The
process
at
the
moment
is
that
we
don't
pursue
sites
that
don't
meet
these
performance
standard
I.
Think
if
we
found
ourselves
in
the
position
that
the
site
was
good
in
every
other
way,
except
for
not
meeting
one
of
those
performance
standards.
We
would
continue
to
do
the
due
diligence
process
until
such
time
as
we
were
able
to
close
on
a
deal
if
we
were
given
that
opportunity
based
on
the
zoning
requirements.
J
Q
Trying
to
work
with
shelters
to
identify
once
sights
have
been
identified
for
potential
lease
or
acquisition
identify
any
zoning
constraints
and-
and
the
report
gives
some
breakdown
on
so
far,
what
they've
found
and
what
those
own
constraints
might
be
for
some
of
them.
Some
of
them
are
as
of
right
and
we've
identified
that
loosening
up
the
zoning
as
a
potential
way
to
help
find
more
shelter
sites.
So
that's
in
part.
The
motivation
for
this
report
I
understand.
J
And
my
next
question
is,
if
we
are
running
out
of
places
to
put
shelters
and
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
thing,
and
we
do
believe
that
part
of
the
solution
of
that
problem
would
be
to
loosen
some
of
the
zoning
and
performance
standards.
Requirements
going
out
and
doing
consultation
now
makes
making
that
change
easier.
In
that
we
can
demonstrate
that
we've
done
public
consultation
on
it.
Absolutely.
Q
We
wanted
too
much
in
the
way
that
we've
had
other
reports
here
even
today,
on
on
zoning
parameters
for
different
housing
types,
dwelling
rooms,
Official,
Plan
Policy.
Our
practice
is
to
take
it
out
and
do
a
consultation.
So
we
can
come
back
and
have
our
advice
to
you.
After
we've
considered
what
the
public
has
had
to
say
about
it
and.
J
B
Q
C
And
services
standpoint
I
know
the
mayor
was
talking
about
some
of
the
definitional
problems.
People
don't
know
what
a
respite
is,
there's
temporary
respite
and
so
on.
What's
the
the
facility
that's
going
in
Ward
4,
that's
not
really
a
shelter,
that's
a
that's
a
respite,
but
what
we
used.
What
we
call
a
respite
is
that
correct
through.
J
B
So
can
I
get
into
page
four
just
to
understand
the
impact
that
we
currently
have
with
the
restrictions
that
are
in
place,
staff
looked
at
311
sites,
that's
right,
someone
say
yes
or
no.
You
met
miss
like
I,
am
the
chair,
so
I
could
answer
myself
through
the
chair,
but
I.
Don't
think
that's
a
great
thing
to
do
so.
We
looked
at
311
sites.
Well,.
C
B
B
So
there
was
34
out
of
311
of
the
34
and
I
had
asked
us
when
you
were
briefing
me,
but
I
didn't
have
an
answer.
How
many
of
those
actually
could
have
turned
out
to
be
sites
that
we
would
have
used?
Because
there
are
other
criteria
they
have
to
meet
so
of
the
34
that
the
current
restrictions
don't
permit
without
a
variance
to
those
restrictions?
How
many
of
those
were
actually
sites
that
you
would
have
green-lighted
as
the
perfect
site.
J
L
B
J
J
I'm
not
sure
how
I
could
answer
that
question.
Mr.
chair,
we
can
go
back
and
look
at
those
properties,
although
many
of
them
are
probably
off
the
market.
I
think
the
next
few
months
as
we
are
looking
at
properties
and
continuing
to
look
at
them
based
on
these
performance
measures,
perhaps
not
being
in
place,
it
will
give
us
a
better
sense
of
in
general
how
many
properties
we
could
continue
to
pursue
if
those
restrictions
are
not
in
place.
Okay,.
J
C
Ting
there
you,
mr.
chair,
the
reason
why
it's
only
these
two
matters
is
because
these
are
the
only
two
performance
standards
that
actually
currently
affect
the
Scheldt
municipal,
shelter
definition.
So
municipal
shelters
are
permitted
in
certain
zones,
they're
actually
permitted
in
most
zones
of
the
city,
but
they
only
have
two
performance
standards
applying
to
them.
C
And
why
didn't
you
look
at
anything
else
here?
Mr.
chair,
the
zoning
that's
applicable
to
the
city
and
this
site
has
recently
been
defended
at
the
OMB.
The
OMB
has
confirmed
the
zoning
permissions
for
which
municipal
shelters
applying
it's
relatively
fresh.
We
were
not
proposing
at
this
time
to
open
up
the
zoning
in
terms
of
land
uses.
B
B
A
You
mr.
chair
I
just
wanted
to
speak
briefly
to
the
item
as
a
councillor
who
had
the
first
respite,
Center
opened
in
Scarborough
with
49
beds,
it
would
certainly
been
and
as
a
willing
host
on
my
dad,
it's
been
an
honor
to
be
the
host
of
that
site.
It's
also
been
a
learning
curve,
I
think
the
as
of
right.
A
Zoning
permissions
actually
do
help
councillors,
because
if
it
was
up
to
a
certain
number
of
the
people
adjacent
or
in
very
close
proximity
to
where
we
put
our
shelter,
they
would
have
objected
every
step
of
the
way
they
would
have
done
everything
possible
to
slow
it
down
and
they
would
have
put
pressure
on
myself
or
any
other
councillor
to
say,
you're,
our
elected
representative.
We
don't
want
this
and
you
have
to
stop
them.
A
Some
of
us
like
to
think
that
we
have
enough
inner
strength,
moral
fortitude
to
say
sorry,
folks,
it's
just
not
going
to
happen
it's
coming
in,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
pressure
and
there
is
a
lot
of
hostility
when
count
when
the
public
thinks
they
can
stop
something.
For
whatever
reasons
and
with
shelters.
There
are
many
I'll
say
unfounded
fears.
There
are
some
well-founded
concerns
as
well,
so
to
bring
something
for
that
would
allow
a
sort
of
zoning
as
of
right.
A
Not
only
helps
our
professional
staff
not
only
helps
us
house
people
who
need
housing,
or
at
least
in
in
temporary
shelters,
but
I
do
think.
It
also
helps
the
local
city
councillors
explain
to
their
residents.
That
know,
for
example,
in
Scarborough
a
group
home
is
allowed
to
be
located
in
this
area.
There's
nothing
we
can
do
about
it
and
then
usually
people
at
the
public
meeting
go
oh
okay.
A
What
now
can
we
do
to
make
sure
that
the
the
that
facility
doesn't
impact
you
in
the
community
negatively
so
I
I'm?
Very
supportive
of
this
we're
going
to
have
very
soon
in
my
ward,
a
20,000
square
foot,
men's
shelter
being
built
I.
Think
it's
starting
this
year
again
on
a
willing
basis
and
we're
welcoming
those
folks
in
I
think
I'm
getting
one
of
the
councillor.
A
Campbell
and
I
were
out
this
earlier
this
week,
looking
at
I
call
them
the
bubbles,
but
another
hundred
bed,
shelter
being
built
in
my
ward,
which
I
know,
will
be
more
of
a
challenge
because
it
is
closer
to
a
residential
area
and
we
will
work
through
that
together,
but
again
for
me
to
walk
into
a
meeting
as
this
has
been
in
the
case
in
the
past.
To
say
this
is
allowed
so
I
as
your
local
councillor
can't
stop
it.
Even
if
you
ask
me
to
stop
it,
I
can't
do
it.
A
A
Why
are
you
putting
those
people
next
to
my
children,
say?
Well,
you
know,
there's
650,000
of
us
living
in
Scarborough
and
some
of
our
neighbors
and
some
of
our
families
and
friends
and
brothers
and
sisters
and
mothers
and
fathers
need
these
facilities.
You
can
usually
talk
people
down
and
you
can
usually
get
a
consensus,
but
we
need
the
backing
of
the
correct
zoning
so
that
the
amount
of
hardship
and
the
amount
of
attack
that
we
suffers
local
councillors
minimize.
A
R
Thank
You
mr.
chair
look
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
we
have
a
crisis
now
and
we
have
to
do
everything
we
can
looking
outside
of
the
box
as
much
as
possible
to
fix
the
crisis
and
I.
Just
don't
think
that
this
particular
strategy
gets
us
there
quickly.
You've
got
too
small
performance
standards
here.
We
don't
even
know
if
we're
moving
these
performance
standards
would
have
would
have
got
us
any
additional
shelter.
R
Space
I
was
just
hoping
that
we
could
defer
this
till
next
session
of
planning
you
girls,
so
that
we
can
bring
planning
in
for
an
offline
meeting
with
perhaps
city
legal,
to
discuss
what
other
performance
standards
we
could
put
into
a
public
consultation
hearing
so
that
we
can
really
open
this
up.
The
notion
that
perhaps
the
crisis
is
only
going
to
be
this
year
and
next
I
have
I,
have
a
funny
feeling
it's
gonna,
be
a
long-term
crisis
in
the
city
and
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
go
through
this
whole
public
consultation
process.
R
We're
gonna
give
the
planning
department
all
this
work
and
in
the
end,
if
it
works,
maybe,
but
what's
the
chances,
because
right
now,
it's
only
90
percent
of
the
sites
that
we
looked
at,
aren't
gonna,
be
addressed
by
this,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
if
people
want
to
help
defer
this
until
next
month,
so
that
we
can
have
some
off-site
meetings
and
really
maybe
put
a
fulsome
report
together.
That
would
be
my
my
my
preference.
B
R
I
could
put
a
motion
to
defer
to
next
month.
That
would
be
my
motion
just
so
that
we
can
have
a
make
this
make
this
this
process
more
meaningful
than
I
think
it
is
right
now
because
there's
a
crisis
and
and
look
the
first
time
I
was
asked
by
by
by
staff
to
bring
a
shelter
in
my
area.
I
said
absolutely,
it
was
a
10
second
conversation
over
the
phone
I
said
for
sure.
R
It
never
happened,
because
our
process
here
at
the
city
made
it
so
that
we
move
at
a
snail's
pace
and
the
market
moves
at
the
market
pace
now
I'm
trying
to
get
a
shelter,
a
big
shelter
brought
into
my
area
again,
and
even
if
this
report
were
approved
today
and
implemented
with
bylaws
tomorrow,
its
they'll
couldn't
happen.
So
none
of
this
is
solving
a
crisis
that
we
all
want
to
help
solve.
So
that's
how
I
see
it
mr.
chair.
B
J
You
I'd
like
to
urge
my
colleagues
to
vote
against
councilor
Gucci
on
OHS
motion
to
defer
anytime.
You
hear
an
argument
that,
in
order
to
move
faster,
we
have
to
slow
down
check-check
your
wallet,
the
the
fact
the
matter
is.
There
are
obstacles
to
placing
shelters
now
and
within
those
obstacles
we're
doing
what
we
can.
J
This
helps
us
to
remove
an
obstacle
if
councilor
D
Tiano
has
ideas
for
other
obstacles
to
remove
here's,
the
advice
I
would
give
him
it's
the
same
advice
I
would
give
anyone
in
the
City
of
Toronto
participate
in
the
consultation
and
make
recommendations
to
staff
at
that
point,
but
to
simply
say
well,
you
know,
I,
don't
think
this
solves
the
whole
problem
right
now.
So,
let's,
let's
slow
down-
and
maybe
you
know,
put
it
off
for
a
while.
That's
not
helpful.
It's
absolutely
the
opposite
of
helpful.
J
This
item
has
been
in
front
of
the
Community
Development
recreation
department
committee
six
times
in
the
last
two
years
and
the
opportunity
to
contribute
positive
solutions
and
suggestions
and
open
doors
and
find
new
ways
of
doing
things
has
been
there
for
every
member
of
Council.
This
item
has
been
in
front
of
Council
several
times
this
term.
If,
if
any
member
of
council
has
a
better
idea,
where
have
they
been
hiding
it
for
the
last
two
years,
there
is
no
better
idea.
J
That's
been
brought
forward
that
I'm,
aware
of
so
I
urge
the
staff
to
continue
the
difficult
but
important
work
they've
been
doing
and
finding
locations
where
it's
possible
I
congratulate
the
planning
staff
on
bringing
forward
a
process
for
maybe
easing
some
of
the
restrictions.
So
we
can
do
even
better
and
I
encourage
anyone
who
thinks
they
have
a
better
idea
to
actually
bring
it
forward
instead
of
getting
in
the
way
of
people
who
are
trying
to
help.
B
B
E
B
A
growth
management
fee,
directly
chief
miner
executive
directors
to
be
planning
to
conduct
city
like
public
consultations,
a
lot
to
opposed
options
to
increase
the
as
of
right,
Sonique
permission
for
municipal
shelters.
So
it's
the
consultation
part
all
those
in
favor
opposed
that's
carried.
The
second
part
is
a
planning
growth
management
committee
requests
a
chief
planner
executive
director
city
planning
to
prepare
a
final
recommendation
report
with
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
not
fall
over
during
it
for
shelters
in
early
2012.
J
B
S
Whether
you
understand
this
or
not,
there
are
cities
from
across
North
America
that
are
following
Toronto's
lead
Toronto
continues
to
lead
the
way
in
this
particular
a
Shubert
building,
collisions
and
I'm
hopeful
that
I
might
be
able
to
impress
upon
you
now
that,
with
some
slight
improvements,
you'll
be
producing
the
best
standard
possible
one
of
our
concerns,
and
if
you
wish
on
the
back
screen
there
there's
the
imageries
here
that
I'm
going
to
hopefully
help
help.
You
understand
better.
S
It
has
fruit
patterns
on
that
glass,
specifically
designed
for
bird
deterrents.
They
follow
Toronto's
lead
in
bird
friendly
deterrence
bird
friendly
guidelines.
But
if
you
look
at
the
top
row
of
glass,
those
bird
turned
markers
disappear
and
again
it's
because
of
available
daylight
being
present
or
not
the
the
presence
of
those
markers
disappear,
and
hence
why
it's
so
to
have
first
surface
application.
If
we
look
here
in
City
of
Toronto
20
Wellington,
Street
East,
this
is
a
recently
retrofitted
building
with
mirrored
glazing
which
has
adopted
the
standard.
S
What
you
can't
see
with
all
this
reflection
is
in
fact
behind
that
glass.
Second,
surface
is
a
print
pattern.
It
doesn't
matter
what
time
of
day
you're
looking
at
that
glass,
you
cannot
see
the
deterrence
on
that
glass,
so
it's
so
important
for
the
birds
sake.
It
is
so
important
to
have
first
surface,
be
a
part
of
your
revised
standard.
Hopefully
before
2002
I'm,
going
to
give
you
examples
of
some
bird
deterrent
fabricators
out
there,
there's
different
techniques
presently
being
produced
specifically
products
designed
to
reduce
burdens
with
buildings.
There
are
ceramic
digital
ceramic
printing.
S
On
glass
there
is
window
film
treatments,
there
are
silkscreen
ceramic
printing
on
glass
and
then
there's
acid
etching
on
glass.
These
products,
again
Abbott,
has
been
designed
specifically
to
reduce
the
issue
of
bird
collisions
for
new
and
existing
construction.
These
products
are
available
on
the
landscape
now
and
hence
why
it's
so
important
as
this
technology
is
already
available,
you
consider
having
this
instead
being
pushed
to
2020
to
have
it
be
as
soon
as
possible,
if
not
with
your
existing
standard.
As
is
there
were
two
gentlemen
that
we're
going
to
follow
be
following
me.
S
Unfortunately,
they
did
have
to
leave
from
two
different
companies
that
produces
very
product
I
wish.
They
were
here
to
be
able
to
speak
more
directly
on
their
on
their
product,
but
the
bottom
line
is
this:
product
is
available
and
I
would
hope
that
this
would
give
you
some
confidence
to
perhaps
instead
of
wait
till
2020
to
again
have
it
come
sooner,
and
that
is
basically
my
my
request
to
you
to
consider.
If
there
are
any
questions,
please
feel
free
to
ask.
A
S
So
there
are
well
over
250
species
of
birds
that
migrate
through
the
Toronto
region
each
spring
and
fall.
If
we
take
the
estimate
of
one
to
ten
birds
colliding
with
each
structure
with
glass
on
an
annual
basis
and
look
at
the
total
number
of
structures
in
Toronto
that
hazard
lasts
and
from
what
I
understand,
there's
well
over
900
thousand
structures.
There's
an
estimated
close
to
a
million
birds
dying
for
the
City
of
Toronto
alone.
A
S
A
And
how
long
have
you
been
in
the
bird
saving
business
I'll?
Call
it
thirty
years
and
have
you
had
with
the
Toronto
green
standard?
Have
you
had
any
objections
from
developers,
architects,
glass
manufacturers
to
say
we
don't
want
the
standard
or
the
standard
causes
any
type
of
hardship
tip
to
anybody
right.
S
No,
in
fact,
the
exact
opposite
when
we
get
contacted
by
developers
and
architects,
it's
more
about
helping
them
meet.
Toronto
standard
and
among
the
top
of
the
list
of
frustrations
from
architects
and
developers,
has
been
concerns
around
second
surface
learning
that
it
may
not
be
an
effective
deterrent
as
a
result
of
it
being
on
second
surface
so,
and
and
this
as
as
I
showed
in
one
of
the
images
as
an
example
of
a
site
with
second
surface
rate.
So.
A
Again,
you
think
you're
using
the
current
guidelines,
because
we
haven't
implemented
a
new
guideline
yet
correct
that
people
actually
follow
the
law.
They
follow
the
bylaw
they
they're
good
citizens.
What
they
find
out
is
what
we've
told
them
to
do,
isn't
as
effective
as
it
should
be,
and
then
they
have
to
call
you,
because
they're
still
having
dozens
of
birds
and
hummingbirds
killed
what
they
ordnungs.
When
people
come
to
work,
they.
S
Call
based
on
they're
trying
to
meet
the
expectations
of
their
client,
namely
the
developers
and
when
they
learn
that
their
markers
can
be
hidden
by
the
reflection
they're
going.
What
was
the
point
of
us
in
applying
these
markers
in
the
first
place
right?
So
that's,
namely
the
the
concern
that
it's
expressed
and
finally.
A
A
A
Final
question:
maybe
you
didn't
hear
me:
okay,
I
said
through
you,
mr.
chair,
my
final
question
through
you,
mr.
chair,
my
final
question:
you
sit
on
the
technical
advisory
group.
Do
you
think
there
will
be
a
national
standard
that
will
have
the
outside
glazing
proposed
have
attended
one
meeting
it
would
help
if
we
pushed
up
our
recommendation.
S
Date
from
what
I
understand
from
the
people
that
are
part
of
the
committee
they're
all
speaking
first
surface,
they
all
seem
to
be
quite
comfortable
and
prepared
to
move
forward
with
the
first
surface
application.
But
it's
still
at
the
infant
stages
of
this
committee
there's
a
lot
of
discussions
that
still
have
to
take
place,
but
so
far
so
good.
They
all
seem
to
be
on
side
with
first-surface
Thank.
B
B
B
So
my
question
is:
why
did
you
recommend
2022
and
what
are
the
impacts
and
are
those
in
the
industry
with
buildings
being
planned
or
under
construction,
otherwise
able
to
bring
these
standards
in
for
2020,
and
if
we
move
it
to
2020?
What
will
the
impact
of
that
be
how's
that
for
all
the
questions
at
once,.
L
My
colleagues,
Kelly
snow
and
Shanna
Stott
are
very
much
involved
as
co-chairs
on
the
Canadian
standards.
Association
committee
right
now,
working
on
the
the
bird-friendly
designed
guidelines
and
one
of
the
one
component
of
that
is
to
look
at
I,
think
the
manufacturing
process
and
what
changes
may
be
required
from
the
manufacturing
process.
C
There
we
go
through
the
chair.
The
CSA
process
is
a
fairly
rigorous
process
and
it
will
be
looking
at
all
the
technical
issues
associated
with
first
service.
There
are
some
manufacturers
currently
that
are
producing
these
products,
but
we're
looking
at
when
we
set
a
requirement.
It
will
require
a
scaling
up
of
the
production
of
those
those
types
of
products
to
meet
the
demands
of
the
industry
for
any
requirement
that
would
come
in
it
would
start
with
the
the
application
date.
B
B
B
B
That's
the
amendment.
Can
we
vote
on
the
amendment
you
have
to
hear
it.
You
have
to
speak
to
it,
counsel,
we're
all
in
favor
of
it
whether
you
want
to
go
man
and
we
want
to
go
okay.
We
got
the
amendment.
The
amendment
is
to
get
a
report
back
early
2019
on
CSAs
approval
of
it
on
the
amendment
all
those
in
favor.
You
can't
but
I
appreciate
it
any
opposed,
not
seeing
that
on
the
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
you
can
do
this
with
pleasure
meeting
is
adjourned,
go
out
and
vote.