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Public Works and Infrastructure Committee, meeting 26, January 19, 2018 - Part 2 of 2
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B
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B
Our
next
speaker
is
Stacy
is
Stacy
in
the
room.
Okay,
welcome,
Stacy,
so
Stacy
make
sure
your
mics
on
in
front
of
you,
because
we're
just
starting
again
after
lunch,
and
if
you
could
keep
your
comments
to
three
minutes,
that
would
be
terrific
and
there
may
be
questions
for
you
after.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
C
Let
you
know
about
my
personal
observation
about.
What's
going
on
today,
so
I've
been
looking
at
the
list
of
people
who
have
been
speaking
or
are
about
to
speak,
and
this
is
a
free
preview
of
what's
happening
usually
at
this,
so
called
public
consultations
when
there
are
not
that
many
actual
residents
of
will
hotel,
but
the
majority
of
the
so-called
attendants
could
constitute
those
who
belong
to
a
special
interest
group
such
a
cycle
Toronto
Walker
on
and
David
Suzuki
Foundation
and
many
many
others.
C
So
I
would
like
to
give
a
bit
of
my
own
critique
and
my
own
input
about
what
I
see
as
a
resident.
That
would
happen
to
Yonge
Street.
If
reimagine
Yonge
Street
happens
there
the
way
it's
proposed
of
reducing
the
number
of
lanes
from
the
existing
64
and
then
what
could
also
happen
to
be
crowned
because
I
live
there.
I
see
it
firsthand
what's
happening
and
B
craft.
C
The
second
thing
that
many
people
in
our
area
are
concerned
about
is
the
fact
that,
once
the
parking
is
eliminated
on
Yonge
Street,
many
people
will
be
unable
to
travel
to
their
favorite
restaurant,
their
beauty
shop
or
many
many
different
places
on
Yonge
Street,
which
is
going
to
first
of
all.
We
pack
the
businesses,
because
the
businesses
will
be
losing
their
customers
and,
secondly,
people
who
do
have
disabilities,
who
cannot
walk
far
forespore
ever
ISM.
C
C
Secondly,
as
a
resident
of
Becraft,
what
I
am
personally
concerned
about
is
that,
once
the
construction
starts
it's
gonna
take
years.
This
is
unfortunately,
how
very
often
things
to
happen
in
tirana
and
I
will
be
inhaling
the
dust
from
for
many
many
months
to
come
aside
from
what
I'm
already
inhaling
giving
all
of
the
residential
construction
that
is
happening
in
in
my
area.
Okay,.
B
D
C
D
B
E
Thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
address
this
committee,
and
hopefully
I'll
be
a
little
less
jumbled
and
cluttered
than
last
time,
I'm
a
52
year
resident
of
one
full
of
Betty
Ann
Drive,
so
I
have
plenty
of
knowledge
of
the
area.
There's
this
giant
false
equivalence
between
bikers
cyclists
and
pedestrians,
sorry
and
cars.
When
is
that,
when
it's
100
to
1
to
1/2?
That's
not
that's
not
equivalents,
they
don't
deserve
equal
treatment
on
the
flawed
study.
It
was
that's
on
this
PhD
in
finance
and
he's
done
a
lot
of
back
testing.
E
Oh
I
want
to
know
how
much
I
mean
these
numbers
from
these
studies
were
done
in
2007
and
how
they
looked
10
years
down
the
road,
because
I
saw
all
kinds
of
Rosie
saying
Aereo's
from
this
study,
and
it
reminded
me
of
the
lottery
question
there's
so
many
people
talk
about
giving
all
kinds
of
money
to
charity.
If
you
win
a
lottery
and
it
ends
up
not
happening,
there
was
a
question
on
there.
E
Would
you
cycle
to
work
if
work
was
five
kilometres
away
and
it
was
like
80%
said
yes,
I
want
to
know
how
many
people
in
the
last
ten
years,
I've
actually
done
that
I
have
a
problem
ager
problem,
but
this
study
also
was
only
only
looked
at
north-south
traffic.
Nothing
east-west!
We
don't
live
in
a
one-dimensional
world
and
the
study
also
didn't
look
at
will
will
Adele
or
some
lack
Road
and
I
was
told
by
one
of
the
city
transportation
that
I
would
be.
Someone
would
get
back
to
me.
E
They
didn't,
but
a
real
problem
with
the
east-west
issues
is:
there
are
only
two
places
where
you
can
get
off
the
ring
roads
to
go
either
west
of
Beecroft
or
east
of
doors,
and
those
are
all
one
lane.
So
you
are
gonna
end
up
with
huge
backlogs
and
a
whole
bunch
of
traffic
being
forced
into
the
side.
Streets
and
also
traffic
from
south
of
beat
south
of
Sheppard
on
Beecroft,
going
south
to
Yonge.
E
Street
at
lunchtime
is
backed
up
about
an
eighth
of
them
while
and
the
same
going
north
about
you
know
an
eighth
of
a
mile
from
Finch
headed
towards
Hendon
and
because
you
said
you
have
basically
four
sets
of
street
lights.
All
within
you
know
a
hundred
yards
of
each
other
and
you
have
the
parking
on
the
road
and
and
if
indeed,
Yonge
Street
is
shrunk,
the
parking
off
D
crops
didn't
have
to
disappear
or
or
if
it
stays
it's
just
going
to
make
Beecroft
and
endorse
one
lane.
E
Road
I
mean
parking
on
Beecroft
is
it
is
allowed
during
the
day,
almost
the
entire
stretch,
definitely
from
Churchill
all
the
way
to
Sheppard.
Remember
also
Beecroft
has
an
interest
of
a
40
kilometer
speed
limit
which
really
doesn't
help
emergency
vehicles
or
anyone
else
trying
to
get
from
A
to
B.
You
know
you
didn't
think
of
this
as
a
voluntary
construction
detour,
you
know
no
I'm
driving
from
steals
and
young
wants
to
get
it.
Yeah
get
a
detour,
you
know
through
through
scenic
Beecroft.
It's
it's.
E
It's
a
construction
delay,
it's
nothing
else
and
who
signs
up?
For
that.
You
know
this
is
unwanted
as
an
unwanted
season
like
winter
like
and
in
the
report.
They
talked
about
Jane's,
Walk
and,
and
you
know,
and
we'll
Adel
West,
which
has
25
members
in
Jane's
Walk,
had
35
combined.
That's
not
even
an
NFL
roster
on
game
day
and.
B
D
E
Counselor
filling
in
on
his
fireside
chat
with
will
Adel
West
talked
about.
He
really
couldn't
do
much
about
traffic
problems.
He
couldn't
you
know
we
wanted
to
think
he
wanted
to
give
residents
a
neighborhood,
that's
his
definition
of
a
neighborhood.
That's
who
knows
what
yours
is
and
what's
mine,
but
that's
his
definition
and
whether
there
are
four
lanes
or
six
lanes
along
Yonge
Street,
it
will
be
congested.
Correct
counts
for
the
feeling.
Those
are
your
words
not
mine
and
Fincham,
young
and
sheppard
and
young
are
on
merit
or
ease
top
ten
list
of
bad
intersections.
E
F
E
Read
the
notes
from
the
will
Odell
West
fireside
chat.
Oh
you
weren't
there
not
there.
Thank
you.
I
see
you
counselor
memory.
You
talked
about
unless
you
basically
should
be
a
citywide
referendum
since
Yonge
Street
affects
everyone
in
this
city.
It's
it's
not
it's
not
really
an
election
for
councillor,
fillings,
right
or
district.
Only
you
know
if
I
thirst
gets
extra,
would
get
extra
traffic
Bayview
will
get
extra
traffic,
which
means
Leslie,
gets
extra
traffic,
justin
gets
extra
traffic
and
you
know
there's
all
kinds
of
great
recreational
cycling
opportunities
in
the
graveyard.
E
York
cemetery
essentially
goes
from
Beecroft
all
the
way
to
Bathurst,
and
it's
seen
it
I
learned
how
to
drive
in
there
and
I.
Don't
know
why
sand
lack
which
to
schools
and
the
graveyard
a
40,
kilometer
speed
limit
wasn't
looked
at
at
all
and
you
can
basically
connect
Clarke
and
Yonge
Street
through
Center
lack
through
Grant
Brooke,
all
the
way
to
the
crematorium
and
come
out
at
the
401,
and
why
will
Adele
wasn't
looked
at?
E
Will
it
all
goes
continuous
from
steals
from
Shepherd
all
the
way
to
pass
deals
without
various
detours
and
the
scope
of
that
study?
Was
it
brought
back
all
kinds
of
conclusions
that
they
wanted
brought
back
as
a
statistician?
It
wasn't
a
fair
survey
and
even
being
a
the
October
11th
drop-in,
which
wasn't
a
there,
was
no
option.
None
of
the
above.
You
were
basically
told
which
of
these
great
plans
do
you
like?
E
There
was
no
none
of
the
above
and
we
were
told
by
many
many
condescending
transportation
people
how
great
their
plan
was
and
how
we
weren't
looking
towards
the
future.
Well,
unless
global
warming
brings
the
temperatures
of
Toronto
up
to
Atlanta
Georgia,
no
one's
going
to
be
biking
any
distance
in
the
middle
of
January
when
it
was
minus
20
out
a
few
nights
ago,
I
was
crazy
enough
to
go
for
a
six
mile
run.
I
didn't
see
anyone
a
bicycle,
and
you
know
so
it
goes
back
to
the
false
equivalence.
E
G
And
I
want
to
address
my
former
colleagues
and
and
my
future
colleagues
as
well,
first
person.
First
of
all,
I
listening
to
all
the
speakers
very
interesting
I,
like
the
name
reimagine
Yonge
Street,
you
don't
have
to
reimagine
Yonge
Street.
You
just
have
to
go
down
on
King
Street.
You
have
to
go
over
to
Wood
vine.
You
have
to
go
over
to
bluer
and
that's
what
you
can
imagine
after
they
decide,
and
hopefully
you
folks
and
the
council
don't
decide
to
reduce
50%
of
the
lanes
from
six
lanes
down
to
four
lanes.
G
It's
concerning
when
I
look
at
the
numbers
as
well
71
million
dollars,
but
those
are
staggering
numbers.
Those
are
staggering
numbers
when
we
saw
what
happened
over
the
Christmas
holidays
with
the
homeless
people.
When
you
drive
down
the
street
and
you
see
potholes
all
over
the
place
that
haven't
been
felled,
we
I
think
we
could
reallocate
that
71
million
dollars
to
two
other
areas:
hi
priority
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
against
bike
lanes.
Matter
of
fact,
I'll
remind
some
of
my
former
colleagues
that
our
administration
put
more
money
into
bike
lanes
than
any
other
administration.
G
Has
we
just
believe
that
they
shouldn't
be
on
the
main
arterial
roads?
And
now
you
just
imagine
the
disaster
that
could
happen
that
we
see
happening
on
King
Street
happened
on
Yonge
Street
I'm
concerned
about
the
lack
of
consultation
that
happened
with
a
150
businesses
along
that
corridor
that
they
feel
they
haven't
been
informed.
At
all,
I
hear
there's
been
a
lack
of
consultation
with
the
residents.
They
seem
to
be
upset.
I
do
agree
with
councilor
family
D.
G
This
should
be
left
until
the
upcoming
election
and
not
go
out
there
and
have
an
upheaval
of
the
the
whole
community
over
over
a
couple
bike
lanes.
Now.
My
friends
remember
less
than
1%
ride,
bikes
and
again
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
against
bikes,
as
you
may
might
have
seen.
The
TV
Oh
show
I,
don't
mind
going
out
there
and
biking
mind
you
I,
don't
bike
every
day
and
I
probably
could
use
a
little
bit
of
biking
by
the
looks
of
things
down
there,
but
again
I
encourage
the
council
to
do
the
right
thing.
G
Wait
until
this
election
is
over.
Let
the
people
decide
let
the
people
decide
if
they
want
councilor
Philly
on
to
be
the
representative
or
current
mayor,
the
king
of
congestion,
to
be
reelected
or
not
be
reelected,
but
we
live
in
a
Democratic
Society.
Let
them
decide
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
make
sure
that
this
money
here
would
be
allocated
as
I
said,
two
more
important
things
that
the
city
hasn't
been
able
to
fund
I,
find
it
ironic
I'm
my
time's
up,
madam
chair
and
playing
by
the
rules
here,
but
don't
take
questions.
Okay,.
F
G
G
To
that
area,
and
what
do
you
I
have
no
problem
with
repaving
the
streets
I
have
no
problem
with
fixing
the
sidewalks
beautifying
the
areas
my
issue,
councillor
Fillion,
is
ripping
up
two
lanes
of
traffic
and
putting
the
war
on
the
car.
Remember
councilor
Philly,
on
85%
of
the
people
still
drive
away,
can't
get
rid
of
the
car,
but.
F
G
Next
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
sorry,
universities,
next
Queen,
Streets
next
and
you
won't
stop
councillor
Philly
on
until
every
single
major
artery
is
clogged.
This
city
has
never
seen
congestion
ever
in
the
history
of
Toronto.
Like
we
have
seen
here.
Have
you
can't
move?
I
can
fly
from
Chicago
to
Toronto
in
57
minutes,
I
can't
get
from
Etobicoke
down
less
than
an
hour
and
the
former
mayor,
last-minute
stalking
him
the
other
day
and,
and
he
said,
the
the
city
staff
have
lost
their
minds.
G
I,
don't
agree
with
that
statement
because
I
think
we
have
super
smart
city
staff,
one
of
the
smartest
city
staff
folks
are
sitting
right
over
there.
Sorry
to
point
you
out
John,
but
one
of
the
smartest
guys
are
right
there.
So
do
I
agree
with
that.
That
statement
no,
but
do
I
agree
with
the
mayor
last
'men
about
this
is
the
craziest
idea
of
heard
that
I
agree
with.
Have
you
read
the
staff
report?
I
haven't
read
the
full
staff
report
and
I
have
actually
well
here.
G
It
is
I
ran
through
a
few
pages
of
it,
but
I
don't
need
to
read
a
staff
report,
I've
read
more
staff
reports
and
then
I
get
shake
a
stick
at
I.
Don't
need
to
write
a
read,
a
staff
report
to
see
they're
gonna
destroy
Yonge
Street.
You
don't
have
to
be
a
rocket
scientist
to
figure
out
if
you're
taking
two
lanes
of
traffic
out
you're,
reducing
it
down
to
50%.
F
G
G
D
D
G
I,
don't
think
it's
even
attractive.
The
the
point
is
councilor
mammal
eating.
Our
city
has
to
get
moving.
We
have
to
move
forward.
We
have
to
make
sure
people
get
from
point
A
to
point
B
in
a
rapid
fashion
and
by
taking
two
lanes
a
vehicle
traffic
code.
It's
it's!
It's
a
no
brainer!
You
don't
you
don't
have
to
do
it
like
a
Kaizen
event,
to
figure
out
that
that
you're
gonna
have
traffic
congestion.
You.
D
G
Can
just
speak
on
people
that
I
represent
I
would
never
go
in
there
with
a
major
project
that
they
say.
71
million
is
gonna
balloon
over
to
be
100
hundred
and
fifty
million
by
it's
done
by
the
time
is
done
because
that's
usually
what
happens
down
here,
but
I
would
never
put
an
infrastructure
project.
G
Not
heard
of
one
matter
of
fact,
I
was
up
there.
The
other
day,
speaking
to
business
owners.
They're
furious
they're
furious
that
there
was
lack
of
transparency.
There
they're
furious
that
they
haven't
been
consulted
and
again
it's
going
to
hurt
their
business
like
they
hurt
the
people
on
Bloor
like
they
hurt
for
the
people
on
King
Street,
where.
D
G
Not
too
sure
all
I
hear
is
you
know
from
it
from
the
mayor
that
he
has
no
money?
He
has
nothing
and
we
need
money.
You
willing
to
spend
a
couple
billion
dollars
on
a
poodle
park,
which
is
which
is
staggering,
and
it's
a
good
name
and
again
I
have
no
problem,
councillor
man,
leading
and
putting
in
bike
lanes,
as,
as
you
were
part
of
the
administration
and,
as
my
colleagues
here
saw,
that
we
put
more
money
into
bike
lanes
than
any
other
administration.
So.
D
G
D
G
That
is
the
reason
he's
trying
to
ram
it
through.
It's
pretty
pretty
clear
on
that,
but
my
break,
my
heart
breaks
for
the
the
deputy
didn't
that
lives
on
V
Croft
that
hasn't
been
consulted.
So
with
my
comment
saying
it's
in
the
auto
I
wouldn't
have
an
issue
with
that.
That's
after
an
election,
you
don't
do
anything
with
six
months
before
an
election
without
consulting
your
neighborhood
after
consulting
the
neighborhood.
G
If
the
neighborhood
wants
it
in
the
community
wants
it,
god
bless
them
put
it
in,
but
you
can't
Ram
this
through
right
before
an
election,
because
I
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
bring
it
to
the
people.
We
live
in
a
Democratic,
Society
and
they'll
decide
if
they
want
councilor
Philly
on
representing
them
or
they
don't,
and
if
councilor
Philly
on
gets
elected
then
he
has
the
right.
Well,
you
reverse.
H
I
G
Same
thing
and
Thank
You
councillor
holiday,
the
same
thing
that's
happening
on
King
Street,
they're,
going
to
go
to
the
second
arterial
roads,
but
even
worse
in
more
of
a
residential,
suburban
area
like
North
York
they're,
going
down
the
secondary
roads
where
residents
are
living
where,
where
people
are
living,
where
kids
are
playing
on
the
sidewalks
and
and
the
balls
rolling
on
the
streets
like
a
lot
of
kids,
you
know
playing
out
there,
but
it's
it's.
Not
it's
not
going
to
be
great.
It's
not
gonna
be
healthy.
G
All
the
traffic
on
these
side,
roads,
it's
it's
terrible
I
saw
a
documentary
the
other
day
with
the
they
did
in
New
Jersey
that
they
did
the
exact
same
thing
and
they're,
rerouting
people
down
these
side
streets
and
there's
traffic.
As
far
as
you
can
see
on
these
side
streets,
people
that
live
in
that
area
councilor
holiday,
don't
want
that
as
they
wouldn't
want
it
in
your
area
or
my
area
in
Etobicoke.
So.
I
I
Sometimes
local
people
in
a
particular
area
have
a
particular
feeling
about
their
community
they'd
like
to
chase
the
cars
out
and
I
suppose
if
I
lived
right
there
on
Yonge
Street
I
might
be
thinking
to
you
know
be
great
if
those
cars
went
somewhere
else,
just
like
you're
talking
about
the
other
streets
and
city
council
then
has
to
make
a
decision
on
that,
and
you
know
I've
always
sort
of
taken
the
network
view.
How
does
this
work
together
with
all
the
pieces,
and
we
talked
to
somebody
from
Richmond
Hill
today?
I
G
We
live
in
a
city,
that's
built
of
communities
and
all
communities
are
different.
The
community
up
in
Etobicoke
is
different
than
East
York.
That's
different
than
Scarborough
I
really
believe
in
consulting
the
community,
asking
what
they
want.
If
they
don't
want
bike
lanes
on
Beecroft,
so
be
it
there
shouldn't
be
bike
lanes
on
Beecroft
and
again
we're
trying
to
satisfy
less
than
1%
of
the
people
when
99
percent
of
the
people
use
a
different
mode
of
transportation
and
I
gotta
stresses
I,
think
of
stress
of
eight
times
here
that
it's
not
a
anti
bike.
G
It's
about
doing
what
the
majority
of
the
people
in
that
community
want.
If
someone
you
know,
wants
a
park
and
the
whole
community
99%
of
the
people
want
to
park
in
their
community.
Naturally,
the
councillors
put
in
the
park
in
there.
If
99%
of
the
people
don't
want
plate
lanes,
you
don't
put
bike
lanes
in
there,
but
again
it's
it's
important
that
we
get
the
city
moving
in
a
proper
fashion
and
getting
people
again
from
point
A
to
point
B
as
rapidly
as
possible.
G
My
theory
has
always
been
when
the
city's
growing
up
you
go
under
rather
than
keep
talking
start
digging
and
don't
stop
digging
and
have
a
network
of
subways.
The
only
way
you're
gonna
get
people
out
of
the
car
is,
if
you
provide
a
better
mode
of
transportation
than
their
car
and
traveling
around
the
world,
you
see
them.
Paris,
you
see
in
London,
Chicago
New
York
build
subways,
it's
it's
very
simple
and
that's
what
we
need
to
do.
Thank.
B
B
G
G
The
council,
my
havoc
I,
just
went
along
Yonge
Street
and
talked
to
some
of
the
businesses
talk
to
some
of
the
owners,
the
the
Korean
business
owners
and
Iranian
business
owners
and
I
said
you
know
this
is
happening
as
a
councillor
consulted
with
you.
Has
he
ever
come
by
to
talk
to
you,
every
single
person
I
went
to
was
no
no,
no,
no!
So
what.
G
Far
as
I
understand
not
too
much
because
the
people
that
I'm
hearing
today
and
the
people
I
talk
to
they're,
there
hasn't
been
consultation,
proper
consultation
has
there
been
maybe
a
small
group
that
have
met
in
the
corner
somewhere
or
a
coffee
shop.
Maybe,
but
now
the
whole
city
knows
about
it.
Why
wasn't
this
advertised
like
this
is
being
advertised
now?
Well,
really
they
won't
that
the
whole
city
knows
about
it
because
of
the
media.
Now
with
no
one
knew.
This
was
coming
down
the
chute
no.
G
Councilman
havoc,
why
the
depth
is
some
of
the
deputies
said
they
haven't
even
heard
about
it.
Why
would
the
business
owners
say
they
haven't
heard
about
it?
They
heard
they've
heard
about
it
now,
because
it's
out
in
front
in
the
news,
because
they're
terrified
the
people
at
ter
are
terrified
in
North
York,
including
the
prior
mayor,
is
terrified
young
streets
going
to
be
destroyed
like
to
destroy
Bloor
Street
like
these
destroyed,
King
Street
like
they
destroyed.
Don't
forget,
st.
G
H
G
I
can't
speak
for
the
council
up
in
York.
Why
do
you
thought
all
I
can
tell
you?
Is
every
time
I'm
an
young
street
young
and
Sheppard
I,
don't
see
too
many
bike,
bicycle
riders,
I!
Just
don't
see
it
a
matter
of
fact.
If
I
drove
up
there
right
now,
it
would
take
me
probably
an
hour
and
a
half
to
get
up
there
to
think.
G
Four
legs:
that's
that
you
would
have
to
ask
the
York
Council
we're
talking
Toronto
and
anyone
that
wants
to
reduce
the
lanes
of
traffic.
It's
very
simple:
there
auntie
car,
it's
a
war
on
the
car
and
councillor
Mojave
you'd
be
happy.
If
we
had
a
horse
and
buggy
going
down
the
street,
you
know
that
that's
what
has
come
down
to
cars
aren't
bad
things.
They
aren't
going
away
great
cities,
world-class
cities
build
subways
and
they
extend
their
roads.
They
don't
they
don't
hurt
the
car
driver,
it's
not
going
anywhere.
G
We
can't
get
in
bikes
and
hop
on
the
top
of
Yonge
Street
and
drive
down
to
City
Hall
only
person
that
can
do
that.
Thanks
for
answering
my
question
is
counselor
Prusa
because
he's
in
such
great
shape.
He
invite
that
distance,
but
the
average
person
can't
bike
that
distance,
our
counselor
to
bear
maker,
both
great
guys
by
the
way.
Thank
you.
G
B
G
B
M
I'm,
a
resident
of
Willowdale,
not
representing
any
groups
and
I'm
coming
because
I'm
looking
to
inform
you
that
I'm,
an
avid
cyclist
and
I
oppose
reimagining
young
I,
really
fear
for
the
businesses
along
Yonge
Street
in
our
area.
Given
the
precedents
that
have
been
set
with
King
and
Bloor
and
st.
Claire
and
how
much
damage
has
happened
to
the
businesses
along
there
and
I
am
not
persuaded
that
having
bike
lanes
on
Yonge
Street
will
boost
business.
M
I
we've
seen
numerous
examples
from
Bloor
and
from
King
and
Saint
Claire,
where
businesses
have
been
hurt
as
a
result
of
bike
lanes,
I
cycle,
but
I
only
cycle
in
the
warm
weather
months
so
spring
to
fall.
I,
don't
think
it's
safe
despite
to
cycle
in
the
wintertime
and
then
I,
Drive
and
I
also
take
transit
and
I
and
I
walk
to
two
different
places.
I
think
reimagining
young
is
the
latest
example.
M
In
the
Toronto
Star
article
about
this
subject
matter
just
a
couple
days
ago,
councillor
Fillion
is
quoted
as
saying
downtown.
North
York
should
be
more
than
a
sea
of
high-rises
I'm
I
think
that
train
has
left
the
station
I.
We
we
have
lots
of
high-rises
in
downtown
North,
York
and
they're,
not
going
away
and
more
being
built.
M
I,
don't
see
how
we
can
deal
with
our
traffic
congestion
problems
and
traffic
infrastructure
shortages
by
reducing
the
amount
of
traffic
lanes
vehicle
lanes
on
Yonge,
Street
I,
don't
know
how
it's
possible,
given
the
fact
that
we
are
densifying
even
more
along
Yonge.
With
that
in
mind,
I'm
not
gonna,
use
my
whole
time.
I'll
leave
it
to
you
to
ask
me
questions.
Thank.
M
M
D
Given
given
what
is
community
saying
now
here
and
in
the
community,
don't
you
think
that
that's
someone
who
is
is
in
an
in
office
should
say
to
himself
maybe
I
shouldn't
be
rushing
this
through?
Maybe
I
should
run
on
this
platform
and
see
whether
or
not
I
should
actually
be
the
representative
after
next
election?
Don't
you
think,
that's
the
more
logical
thing
this
that
he
should
do.
I
think.
M
D
M
F
M
B
J
You
before
you
start
running
my
clock,
I
need
something
for
the
record.
I
am
the
president
of
TSE,
1448
and
I'm.
Also
the
president
of
the
young
corridor,
condominium
association,
but
I'm,
not
speaking
on
their
behalf,
because
we
as
call
award
members
are
elected
to
tend
to
the
assets
of
the
corporation
and
run
the
operations.
We
are
not
mandated
to
speak
on
their
behalf
on
foreign
policy
or
healthcare
system,
or
things
happening
in
your
on
corridor.
B
J
Had
a
very
brilliant
speech
ready
for
you,
it
was
timed
perfectly
at
five
minutes
now.
I
have
to
edit
on
the
fly
so
I'm
gonna
cut
it
short
I
would
like
you
to
I
would
like
to
urge
you
to
approve
the
transform
young
option
that
calls
for
a
reduction
of
traffic
lanes
down
to
four
and
entails
enhancing
and
improving
sidewalks
and
streetscape,
and
it
will
be
a
tremendous
value
to
most
local
retailers
and
businesses
such
as
my
wife's
and
myself,
rather
than
talk
in
general
terms.
J
I
would
like
to
relate
to
you
the
story
of
my
wife's
business
to
illustrates
that,
contrary
to
what
you
may
have
heard,
not
only
the
massive
volume
and
current
makeup
of
traffic
on
Yonge
Street
is
not
benefiting
street
sight.
Retailers,
it
is
actually
detrimental
to
their
business.
As
a
preamble.
I
would
like
to
give
you
a
brief
background
of
my
wife's
qualifications.
She
was
at
some
point
the
manager
of
the
high-end
cafe
on
Eglinton
west
of
Avenue,
and
then
she
went
into
corporate
retail
she.
J
Her
final
position
last
position
was
a
district
manager
for
a
large
Canadian
chocolate
chain
and
under
a
charge.
She
had
over
20
stores,
20
managers
and
over
100
staff.
I
was
also
helping
her
if
I
get
time.
I
will
tell
you
about
my
own
business
and
how
this
project
will
affect
it.
The
combination
of
us
is
not
your
typical
mom-and-pop
operation,
so
we
bring
a
lot
of
background
and
insight,
not
just
in
retail
but
in
business
in
general
and
I'm.
J
Talking
from
that
standpoint,
one
spring
day
we
were
walking
some.
Eight
years
ago
we
were
walking
along
Yonge
Street.
We
passed
by
a
large
newly
built
condo
with
a
white
nice
sidewalk
good
for
patios
and
many
street
side
retail
units
ready
to
be
leased
out
one
caught
our
eyes.
It
was
a
big
unit,
corner
right
by
the
by
a
sculpture,
wraparound
windows
and
everything.
A
big
sign
on
the
window
said
40,000
cars
passed
by
this
location.
J
J
If
you
can't
do
that,
just
throw
them
out
very
relevant
I
did
a
lot
of
tests
and
on
different
days
and
one
of
the
first
things
that
I
told
my
wife
before
we
leased
the
location
was
that
if
you
intend
to
sell
breakfast,
forget
it
in
your
business
plan
and
if
intent
or
if
you're,
counting
on
people
driving
by
and
stopping
and
getting
cakes
or
gifts,
when
going
home.
Forget
about
that
stream
in
your
business
plan
as
well,
because
simply
cars
cannot
park
there
now.
B
J
F
J
Absolutely
anyone
who's
dealt
with
retail.
You
knows
that
cars
don't
buy
things
they're,
passengers
too,
and
their
passengers
should
be
able
to
park.
Now,
if
you
can't
park
somewhere
you
what
you
won't,
have
retail
now
King
Street.
The
problem
is
that
you
don't
have
any
cars
and
they
need
to
address
that
problem
on
Yonge
Street.
The
problem
is
that
the
volume
of
the
court
that
you're
talking
about
cannot
park
when
they're
passing
by
the
rest
of
the
day.
Young
is
not
a
very
busy
city
street.
J
In
that
stretch,
the
volume
that
you
see
basically
is
during
the
rush
hour.
We
did
a
study.
My
wife
was
training,
her
staff
to
ask
questions
from
customers
to
where
they
were
where
they
were
living.
It
wasn't
noisiness.
She
was.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
knew
which
buildings
did.
We
didn't
have
customers
in
our
front
or
which
streets
so
that
we
could
target
our
advertising,
and
lo
and
behold,
by
the
third
year
of
operation
we
had
about
50,000
customer
visits.
J
90%
were
coming
from
an
800
meter,
radius
of
the
store,
the
other
10%
came
from
Pfizer
out
a
farther
out
even
downtown
Toronto,
all
the
way
to
Aurora,
but
all
of
them
were
coming
due
to
newspaper
advertising
TV
spots
that
we
ran
and
word-of-mouth
in
all
the
four
years
of
operation.
We
only
had
one
single
couple
from
Markham
who
said
that,
oh
we
were
passing
by
during
the
weekend.
We
said
we
have
to
check
the
store
one,
that
volume
of
traffic
is
not
helping
businesses
and
because
of
the
noise
and
air
pollution
that
it
creates.
J
Many
of
the
patios
become
useless
because
you
can't
hear
yourself
think
I
love
to
go
and
sit
in
Apache
or
because
I
work
from
home.
Now
between
10
years
and
with
my
laptop
I'll
check,
my
emails
do
some
business
having
a
coffee
or
chat
with
someone,
and
you
can't
do
it
between
three
to
seven.
You
can't
simply
so.
My
point
here
is
whatever
you
have
heard:
I
would
really
take
them
with
a
huge
grain
of
salt.
J
F
J
Attend
the
two
of
the
consultations,
I
knew
of
two
or
three
more,
maybe
that's
I
didn't
attend,
but
since
I'm
on
a
board
I
used
to
pass
on
the
information,
we
usually
put
the
notices
on
our
elevators
and
also
our
mass
emails.
We
also
had
one
consultation
in
our
building.
We
asked
you
to
come
in
and
we
the
two
towers
as
we
have.
We
have
over
2,000
people
living
there.
J
I
J
Of
the
volume
of
traffic,
the
noise
and
pollution,
because
you
either
have
a
backup
of
cars
and
then,
when
you
get
to
that
point,
if
you
live
there,
like
I,
have
for
some
16
17
years,
people
start
honking
and
you
can't
hear
much
and
then
it's
not
red
lights.
They
are
really
going
passed
by
and
the
noise
is
is
not
something
that
you
really
want.
Bumper-To-Bumper.
I
J
Because
the
it's
the
Russia,
where
people
don't
go
out
because
they
want
to
go
out
at
certain
hours,
they
have
to
get
to
work
by
9:00
o'clock.
That's
why
you
have
7:00
to
9:00
Russia
or
you
can't
park
right,
so
those
people
who
have
to
be
at
work
at
9:00
if
they
see
that
this
road
doesn't
take
that
all
takes
them
20
minutes
more
to
get
to
where
they
want
to
go.
They'll,
find
alternative
routes.
So.
J
Spreads
as
any
traffic
engineer,
because
my
background
is
in
consulting
engineering,
any
serious
traffic
engineer
will
tell
you
that
if
you
create
capacity
is
going
to
fill
up
and
if
you
reduce
capacity,
people
will
find
ways
of
spreading
the
load.
It's
not
going
to
be
necessarily
optimal,
but
it's
kind
of
yeah.
I
I
You
know,
because
the
traffic
curve
is
kind
of
a
curve
right
like
it
Peaks
up,
and
it
goes
down
that
by
reducing
capacity
you
will
push
out
those
brackets
so,
instead
of
it
being
3
in
the
afternoon
that
you
can't
have
your
coffee
it'll
be
1
in
the
afternoon
or
maybe
it'll
be
all
day
because
with
4
lanes
instead
of
6,
you
have
no
free-flowing
traffic.
You
have
bumper-to-bumper
condition
all
day,
maybe
even
in
the
weekend.
J
I
get
your
point,
but
probably
I
didn't
explain
myself
properly.
If
you
have
a
7
to
9
major
rush
hour,
it
will
not
extend
beyond
9,
because
people
have
to
be.
Work
have
to
have
to
be
that's
work
by
9
o'clock,
so
it
might
become
6:30
to
to
9:00,
but
it's
not
going
to
become
7
to
10.
The
same
goes
for
the
afternoon.
Traffic
people
cannot
leave
work
before
4:00
5:00
or
wherever
they
may
finish
their
work.
So
you're
not
going
to
have
traffic
at
1
o'clock.
D
Know
the
part
that
I
don't
understand
is
that
I-I-I-I
frequent,
many
restaurants
on
Yonge
Street,
north
of
Sheppard,
all
the
time
and
I
like
the
Chinese
restaurants
and
the
Japanese
restaurants
there
and
there's
parking
outside
and
I,
actually
have
a
hard
time
finding
parking
on
the
on
the
outside
of
the
units,
of
course,
and
it's
very
busy
actually
and
there
it's
usually
packed
every
night
in
those
restaurants.
So
that's
the
part
of
it
that
I
don't
understand.
You
said
that
there's
no
parking
but
there's
parking
on
the
street
all
right.
Now
you
didn't
catch.
My.
J
J
D
Not
gonna
get
into
the
debate
with
you.
I
disagree
with
some
of
the
things
you
said
because
I
don't
believe
it,
but
this
this
model,
that's
being
pitched
to
us,
takes
the
parking
away.
Okay,
I,
don't
know
how
that
helps
you
and,
secondly,
you
believe
that
the
cars
that
are
coming
up
and
down
Yonge
Street,
don't
help
business.
Don't
know.
Do
you
think
the
bicycles
down
the
middle
of
Yonge
Street
are
gonna
help
your
business
I
mentioned.
J
I,
don't
care
about
bicycles
personally,
so
I
don't
know
whether
they
will
help
I,
don't
have
any
models
that
tell
me
tell
me
that
tells
me
that
they
will
help
or
not
personally,
I'm,
not
really
that
much
interested.
But
what
I
know
is
that
this
volume
of
traffic
in
the
morning
and
afternoon
is
dead
to
me.
Okay,
so
one.
D
J
B
Thank
you
very
much,
that's
you,
but
your
questions
before
we
move
on
to
our
next
speaker,
I
want
to
just
bring
to
the
committee's
attention
a
bit
of
a
challenge
that
we
have
for
those
of
you
who
are
with
us
today
that
don't
aren't
aware
that
there's
on
Fridays
there's
a
sunset
clause
and
there's
we've
spent
the
last
half
an
hour
trying
to
figure
out
if
we
could
push
that
in
any
way.
We've
been
we've
been
advised
by
the
city
clerk
that
it's
a
hard
finish
at
3:30
p.m.
today.
B
So
there's
no
way
around
that,
even
though
I
know
personally,
I
would
like
to
stay
and
complete
this
agenda
more
than
probably
anybody
I'm
guessing
my
colleagues
feel
the
same
way.
So
that
is
unfortunate,
but
apparently
there's
no
there's
no
absolutely
no
way
around
it.
So
it's
a.
We
have
to
finish
the
agenda
and
vacate
the
room
at
3:30
p.m.
so
my
apologies
for
that.
But
it's
policy
that
I
can't
alter
so
I'll
be
moving
a
motion
to
and
that
clerk
is
just
working
on
it.
Now.
B
Okay,
she
hasn't
got
the
motion
ready,
yeah,
we're
gonna
continue
to
hear
deputation.
So
please
don't
leave,
but
I
just
wanted
I
felt,
like
I
needed
to
relay
that
to
the
committee
room,
the
clerk's
worship
working
on
a
motion,
so
I'll
present
it
when
she
hasn't
finished
and
so
we'll
go
on
to
our
next
speaker,
which
is
Michael
Corr
president
and
it
says,
there's
a
mistake
here:
it
says
80
cities,
but
it's
actually
Michael
I
believe
is
with
the
West
Willowdale
Neighborhood
Association.
But
maybe
you
can
clarify
correct
that.
B
N
Now,
when
I
first
heard
about
the
proposal,
I
was
in
my
kitchen
with
my
wife
and
I
thought.
This
was
a
ridiculous
idea
when
you
say
you're
gonna
take
away
lane
of
traffic.
Yes,
traffic
is
gonna,
be
a
mess.
True.
If
you
stop
there
full
stop.
Yes,
it's
a
ridiculous
idea.
If
we
stop
there,
where
would
we
be
today?
We
need
to
dig
deeper,
so
I
did
some
reading.
I
listened
to
the
experts
and
I
became
convinced.
N
It's
absolutely
necessary
I'm
here,
to
express
my
personal
support
for
implementing
the
transform
young
Hongshan
recommended
in
stage
one
and
confirmed
in
stage
two
for
several
reasons.
The
people
involved
in
this
project
were
not
selected
randomly
their
qualifications,
supported
by
their
professionalism
and
areas
of
education,
combined
with
two
years
of
public
consultation
ensured
for
a
thorough
recommendation.
Yonge
Street
is
currently
six
lanes.
Beecroft
endorser
four
lanes:
that's
fourteen
lanes
of
traffic
going
north-south
within
close
proximity
to
each
other,
based
on
the
transportation
modeling
conducted
and
existing
traffic
volumes.
N
The
service
roads,
Beecroft
and
doors
have
surplus
capacity
to
accommodate
traffic
volumes
from
young
and
similar
to
other
speakers.
Today,
the
non-local
residents
that
make
up
70ish
of
the
rush-hour
traffic
will
hit
reduced
lanes
long
before
Finch.
If
York
Region
goes
through
and
goes
down
to,
four
lanes.
Bike
lanes
on
Yonge
would
provide
a
safe
transportation
option
connecting
people
conveniently
to
all
the
destinations
along
Yonge.
Also
putting
bike
lanes
on
B
cross
and
save
young
would
cost
at
least
an
additional
twenty
million
dollars.
N
It
should
also
be
noted
that
transform
young
option
recommended
can
be
implemented
over
a
shorter
time
frame
than
the
other
options
explored.
Our
community
is
made
up
of
people
who
drive,
walk,
push,
strollers
ride,
bikes,
pull
wagons,
use,
Walker's
shop,
local
eat,
local
gather
together
in
the
Las,
been
square
and
spend
time
together.
The
transformed
young
recommendation
is
the
next
logical
step
in
our
continuing
efforts
for
positive
change,
while
remembering
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
people
that
make
up
this
community.
N
N
Please
endorse
and
improve
transform
young
the
recommended
design
for
the
reconstruction
of
Yonge
Street
North
York
boomerangs
always
feel
the
need
to
come
back,
no
matter
where
they
go
or
for
how
long,
but
I
sincerely
believe
with
your
support,
you
will
be
able
to
build
a
generation
with
fewer
boomerangs
and
more
pillars.
Thank.
B
You
thank
you
any
questions
I'm
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much.
Michael
Steven
Biggs
is
our
next
speaker
and
after
that
is
Sara.
If
Sara's
still
here,
you're
here
excellent
and
if
you
can
be
ready
to
jump
up
because
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
about
time.
Obviously,
okay,
so
Steven.
If
you
want
to
get
comfortable
and
start
I'm
gonna
be
very
hard
with
three
minutes.
Unfortunately,
okay
am
I
on
yeah.
H
L
So
I'm
a
boomerang
I
guess
like
the
previous
debutante
I,
grew
up
in
North
York
Center
in
the
1970s
and
the
1980s,
and
it
was
a
quiet
place
and
the
cars
actually
moved
along
Yonge
Street
at
that
time
and
I
live
there
again
now
and
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
stuck
in
traffic
wherever
I
go
in
North,
York,
Center
and
and
I
really
dislike
the
traffic's.
But
when
I
grew
up
in
that
area,
it
was
very
suburban
and
now
it's
almost
almost
a
vibrant
urban
neighborhood.
L
Except
that
there's
one
problem,
which
is
that
running
down
the
center
of
our
neighborhood.
It's
it's
a
bit
like
the
Grand
Canyon,
its
Yonge
Street.
It
divides
the
neighborhoods
and
they're.
Really
they
don't
work
in
the
same
way
when
you
cut
a
neighborhood
in
half
I
shop
on
Yonge
Street,
but
I
avoid
cycling
there,
because
it
is
pretty
dangerous
to
cycle
there.
L
My
father
lives
still
on
the
other
side
of
Yonge
Street
and
he's
a
senior,
and
he
does
not
like
to
cross
Yonge
Street,
because
seven
lanes
of
traffic
is
daunting
for
an
older
person,
sometimes
so
all
of
those
lanes
of
traffic.
That
that
people
are
talking
about
I
think
we're
appropriate
at
a
certain
point
in
time
and
but
we're
not
in
a
1970s
suburb
anymore
and
it's
it's
really
evolved.
We
have
all
these
high-rises
and
they're
kind
of
like
high-rises
on
the
banks
of
Yonge
Street
and
it's
wide
young
streets
wide.
It's
loud.
L
It's
noisy
and
it's
windy
and
it's
dusty
and
it's
just
not
a
place
where
people
want
to
go
to
so
I.
Rarely
take
my
kids
to
Yonge
Street
and
it's
too
bad
because
there's
a
lot
of
potential
along
Yonge
Street
I'd
like
to
say
that
if
Yonge
Street
here
downtown
was
being
reimagined
or
if
Queen
Street,
just
beside
Nathan
Phillips
Square
was
being
reimagined.
I,
don't
think
there'd
be
any
discussion
about
making
six
lanes
even
if
there
was
that
much
space.
L
I
can't
imagine
anyone
saying
that,
and
these
are
dynamic
places
with
lots
of
foot
traffic,
lots
of
pedestrians
and
lots
of
cars
downtown.
Here
we
have
Richmond
and
Adelaide
that
are
one-way
and
they
move
the
traffic
around
and
up
in
North
York
Center.
We
have
a
ring
road
system
that
includes
be
Croft
and
Doris,
and
and
this
system
moves
the
traffic
around
the
North,
York
Center
area
and
and
the
city
spent
a
lot
of
money,
building
that
specifically
to
move
the
cars
so
I
think
we
can't
forget
that
important
point.
L
So
I
would
ask
this
committee.
If
you
would
please
help
make
this
North
York
center
area
and
Yonge
Street
a
a
more
vibrant
space
by
choosing
transform
young
I
think
it's
really
important.
We
don't
need
a
Grand
Canyon
going
through
the
middle
of
our
neighbourhood,
and
it's
it's
really
as
it
is.
It's
like
a
bit
of
a
no-man's
land.
We
need
multi-use.
Thank.
L
L
L
D
The
ring
road
system
I,
was
in
North
York
when
councillor
Fillion
argued
during
the
whole.
The
whole
discussion
around
development
in
that
area
before
all
the
higher
rises
and
condos
were
built.
Councillor.
Shiner
would
remember
this.
There
were
arguments
about
how
to
deal
with
the
traffic
that
the
condos
are
going
to
bring
counts.
Aphelion
argued
for
the
ring
roads.
He
wanted
the
ring
roads.
For
that
reason
right
so
today
we're
hearing
I
forget
the
ring
roads.
Let's,
let's
reduce
the
lanes
on
Yonge
Street.
Now
so
I
didn't
catch
the
committee.
D
L
Vehicles
are
asking
why
people
don't
take
the
ring
roads
right
path
of
least
resistance.
I
would
think
so,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
driving
those
ring
roads
there
is
space
on
those
ring,
roads
and
I.
Think
that's
it's
as
an
important
part
of
the
discussion.
I
haven't
heard
come
up
very
often
today
that
there's
this
elaborate
system
of
ring
roads,
tons
of
money
spent
to
build
them
and
and
I
think
we
can't
forget
that
part
of
it
so.
D
L
Nine
months,
I
don't
believe
that
we
have
to
tackle
issues
by
referenda
or
election
I.
Think
we
we
elect
people
and
the
city
hires
experts
to
study
this
and
there's
been
two
very
costly
studies
take
place
so
far,
so
to
me
having
an
election
on
it
would
would
be
wasting
taxpayers,
money
and
I
think
we've
we've
spent
I'm.
B
O
O
It
is
very
time
consuming
and
difficult
to
make
a
deputation,
as
you
know,
or
difficult
to
devote
the
time
to
doing
that,
and
a
lot
of
people
aren't
heard
so
I
went
I
decided
to
prepare
for
my
deputation
that
I
would
go
up
to
young
and
Shepherd
and
walk
north
and
talk
to
people,
and
originally
I
was
going
to
I've,
tried,
videotaped
them
and
pretend
give
you
their
responses,
but
I
quickly
realized
on
a
cold
windy
day.
No
one
is
gonna
want
to
linger
that
long,
so
I
just
asked
for
their
responses.
O
Obviously
not
a
statistical
survey,
but
just
letting
you
know
about
half
of
the
people
I
spoke
to
were
in
support.
A
few
didn't
said:
they
didn't
know
enough
to
make
a
decision
and
then
a
few
were
opposed.
So
a
lot
of
people
have
already
talked
about
why
they
support
this.
So
I
want
and
I
support
this
I'm
here
to
support,
transform
young,
but
I
did
want
to
talk
about
the
opposition,
because
I
think
it's
important
and
I
think
it's
important
to
hear
what
people
are
saying
when
they're
opposed.
O
So
the
main
reason
for
the
opposition
was
congestion,
like
people
are
talking
about.
How
can
you
take
six
lanes
down
to
four
lanes
and
not
have
traffic
nightmare,
but
the
thing
is
that
studies
time
and
time
again
show
that
congestion
does
not
increase.
When
you
take
away
lanes.
There's
this
thing
called
the
disappearing
effect.
I'm,
not
a
I'm,
not
a
transportation
engineer,
but
there
are
many
who
have
found
this.
Who
have
talked
about
this,
so
you
don't
have
cars
piling
up
on
top
of
each
other?
They
just
they
dissipate.
O
They
drivers
choose
alternate
routes
alternate
times
and
alternate
modes,
so
that
was
the
main
concern
that
I
heard
from
people
when
I
asked
them.
If
they
would
like
a
Main
Street,
they
said
yeah,
they
would,
but
they
just
don't
want
congestion.
So
it's
not
that
they're
opposed
to
Main
streets,
they're
opposed
to
congestion,
small
business.
Someone
said
we're
not
taking
care
of
the
little
guy.
We
need
to
watch
out
for
small
business.
I
absolutely
depend
on
local
business.
I.
O
Don't
think
there
should
be
this
division
between
pedestrians,
like
this,
this
imaginary
thing
between
small
local
business
and
me
as
a
resident
I
need
a
place
to
go
as
much
as
I
mean
I
need
a
safe
way
to
get
there.
Finally,
a
final
opposition
I
heard
was
about
the
spending.
Why
is
the
city
spending
money
on
something
we
don't
need,
so
the
first
response
to
that
is
as
far
as
I
understand,
the
city
will
be
spending
millions
of
dollars
in
this
area,
no
matter
what
happens
now.
O
This
compromise
that
people
are
talking
about
is
71
million
dollar
20
million
more
than
transform
young,
and
it
will
please
nobody.
It's
not
addressing
the
real
issue,
so
city
staff
are
experts
in
transportation
and
plant
planning.
They
they
look
at
the
numbers.
They
look
at
the
facts.
They
look
at
the
evidence
and
they
make
their
recommendation
to
you.
The
counselors
you
counselors
are
experts
in
communication
and
you've
been
elected
because
of
your
vision
and
because
of
your
leadership.
That's
your
strength,
so
I
believe.
O
If
you
have
a
vision
for
a
more
livable
city,
you
need
to
listen
to
your
staff
and
you
need
to
communicate
and
understand
what
they're
saying
and
you
need
to
communicate
those
benefits
to
the
public
and
then
I
think
we
can
all
work
together
and
agree
that
yes,
North
York
should
have
its
own
downtown.
Yes,
North
York
should
have
its
own
Main
Street
yeah.
O
D
So
you've
seen
st.
Clare's,
we
may
disagree,
but
no
I,
you
know
and
I
lived
through
it
because
I
had
I
had
a.
There
was
a
family
unit
that
we
owned
on
st.
Clair.
We
had
to
let
it
go
because
of
the
the
transformation
the
LRT
business
got
shut
down
almost
right
away.
In
fact,
there
was
no
business
at
all
after
that,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
how
you
feel
about
that.
Do
you
find
there's
more
business
on
st.
Clair
after
after
the
the
LRT
I.
O
Don't
want
to
use
your
time
because
I
think
they
want
to
talk
about
North
York
but
I
will
say
I'm
a
resident,
it's
so
much
safer
for
me.
It's
so
much
better
for
me
and
I
go
to
local
restaurants
toy
store,
bakery,
there's
thriving
business.
So
I
don't
want
to
debate
it
with
you,
because
it's
not
a
good
use
of
your
time
or
there's
no.
O
D
D
What
do
you
say
to
the
residents
that
feel
there
should
be
an
election
on
this
issue
in
October
to
delay
it
for
nine
months
to
see
whether
or
not
councilor
Fillion
is
actually
right
in
his
feeling
that
people
in
that
community
will
want
it.
In
other
words,
a
mandate
given
to
a
particular
person
to
push
it
through
or
not
push
it
through
I.
Don't.
O
Think
I'm
an
expert
on
this
to
say
whether
it
should
whether
I
agree
with
you,
I
I,
do
think
we
need
to
hear
the
community
I
do
think.
There's
been
a
lot
of
work
done
and
I.
Don't
generally
think
delay
is
good
and
I.
Don't
think
delay
for
political
purposes
is
the
best
thing,
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying
and
yes
I
think
I
don't
want
to
shut
anybody's
voice
down,
but
I
think.
O
D
D
Do
you
believe
that
that
councilor
should
have
the
mandate
to
do
it
in
the
middle
of
a
term,
or
do
you
think
that
councilor
should
introduce
it
to
the
community
to
see
whether
or
not
they
want
that
councilor
to
push
that
agenda
through
it's
your
community?
Would
you
want
someone
to
just
eliminate
it
because
they
just
feel
like
it?
D
O
D
A
political
one
not-
and
that's
been
my
point
in
the
community's
point:
there
hasn't
been
a
political
process,
there's
been
a
bureaucratic
process
and
there's
been
some
effort
and
having
some
meetings.
Yes,
but
there
hasn't
been
a
political
process.
Okay,
would
you
want
a
political
process
in
the
scenario
I
gave
you,
or
would
you
just
let
somebody
just
rail
it
through
because.
O
You're
asking
the
election
I'm
running
for
mayor
and
I
want
a
more
livable
city.
That's
the
election.
I
think
the
vision
of
the
whole
city
is
what's
important.
That's
what
we
need
to
talk
about,
but
individual
ward
issues
and
and
and
decisions
on
you
know
what
we're
doing
it
needs
to
be
part
of
a
process
that
the
city
has
agreed
on.
Okay,.
B
D
B
There
is
a
policy
practice
by
council
to
have
a
hard
finish
at
3:30
for
those
who
have
religious
practices,
possibly
this
on
a
Friday
evening,
and
so
that's
a
long-standing
policy
of
council.
So
we
have
no
way
around
that.
We've
spent
a
good
hour
trying
to
get
around
it
and
there's
no
way
around
it.
So
we
have
to
finish
at
3:30
exactly
at
3:30.
D
You
know,
madam
madam
Speaker
I
know
you
want
to
finish
at
3:30.
There
are
people
that
still
want
to
speak.
I
was
going
to
try
to
move
a
motion
that
has
the
local
residents
who
are
left
on
the
agenda
put
up
first
instead
of
those
that
have
their
own
agendas
somewhere
else,
but
in
this
particular
case
with
this
motion,
I
could
support
it,
but
the
word
register
it
it.
It
worries
me
because
what
you're
saying
is,
nobody
else
can
be
a
deputy.
That's.
D
D
F
It's
been,
it's
been
the
questions
of
the
speakers.
We
could
have
been
through
the
speakers
by
now
and
on
to
questions
of
staff,
but
obviously
this
is
a
controversial
issue
that
it's
going
to
get
decided
by
Council
anyway,
regardless
of
what
came
out
of
this
committee,
there
is
a
budgetary
factor
in
this
that
is
important.
That
gets
to
the
next
council
meeting,
so
I
would
ask
instead
that
you
descend
it
to
councilmen
that
recommendation
and.
B
F
B
K
The
councillor
that
still
represents
part
of
the
area
that
is
going
to
be
encumbered
with
the
traffic
and
some
of
the
proposed
lane
reductions
because
it
does
go
north
of
Incheon-
will
have
a
horrendous
impact
of
there.
I
would
ask
you
not
to
go
along
with
councillor
Fillion
suggestion
and
not
allow
the
public
that
has
taken
the
time
to
come
down
and
speak
to
speak.
K
That's
not
fair
to
cut
off
the
debate
and
the
ability
for
them
to
say
things,
and
in
fact,
that's
been
one
of
their
complaints
that
they
didn't
have
that
through
councillor
Phil
Ian's
process.
To
speak
their
mind,
they
could
only
answer
to
the
staff
questions
and
the
staff
surveys.
This
is
the
only
chance
the
only
chance
that
they
actually
tubes
have
to
address
Council
and
give
us
their
perspective
and
stopping
off
that
debate
and
cutting
that
off
by
saying.
K
D
P
H
B
H
B
D
I'm
moving
February,
27th
2018
after
the
election
of
2018,
okay
and
and
the
reason
I'm
doing
that
is
is
simple.
Not
only
are
we
trying
to
ram
through
an
incredible
stoppage
in
traffic
at
the
worst
intersection
in
the
city,
we
are
now
trying
to
tell
people
that
one
they
can't
even
speak
if
they,
if
they
find
out
about
it
tomorrow,
they
can't
even
register
and
number
two.
D
You
won't
even
allow
them
the
opportunity
to
have
an
election
on
this
issue
so
that
they
can
tell
the
councillors
trying
to
ram
this
thing
through
to
hit
the
road
because
they
don't
want
this
to
happen.
The
community
doesn't
want
this
to
happen.
This
is
a
driven
attempt
by
staff
and
a
driven
attempt
by
the
local
councillor
to
do
something
that
is
undemocratic
and
not
fair,
and
today
we
reduced
the
speaking
time
from
5
minutes
to
3
minutes.
You
know
why
just
for
the
hell
of
it,
we
don't
want
to
hear.
D
We
don't
want
to
hear
from
people.
We
don't
want
to
hear
from
people,
because
we
have
to
finish
at
3:30.
Poor
politicians
have
to
finish
at
3:30.
So,
let's,
let's
Stonewall
everybody
and
tell
them
there,
they
have
to
come
back
another
day
and
reduce
their
time
to
speak
on
an
issue,
because
we
have
to
finish
at
3:30
what
an
incredible
show
of
democracy
that
we've
got
here
incredible
and
what
do
we
do
about
it?
D
B
B
P
P
To
a
special
meeting
but
prior
to
the
two
council,
so
we
can
have
a
look
I'm
happy
to
sit
and
listen
to
all
the
deputies
and
more,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
have
to
delay
the
process
or
filibuster
it.
We
can
listen
to
people.
We
can
have
another
special
council
meeting
early
next
week
at
the
call
of
the
chair,
I
believe
the
notices
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
48
hours.
She
has
to
give
to
people
or
was
a
72
hours.
D
P
D
D
P
P
So,
madam
madam
Speaker
George
has
had
a
lot
to
say
about
a
lot
today.
That's
fine
I'm
happy
to
sit
here
and
hear
George
say
a
lot
about
a
lot
and
no
worries
so
and
I'm
happy
to
do
that
early
next
week,
again
to
hear
George
say
a
lot
about
a
and
I'm
happy
to
take
gear.
All
the
deputy
instead
want
to
come
down
to
speak
to
the
committee.
So
I
suggest
that
as
his
friendly
amendment
to
yours
so.
B
Q
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
would
like
to
move
a
similar
motion
to
that.
Just
without
the
word
registered
I
do
respect
some
of
the
opinions
of
some
of
the
folks
that
have
come
forward
here
today
that
have
complained
about
process
and
I
is
expensive
as
it
is
to
sit
in
the
room
with
additional
speakers.
I
am
comfortable
doing
that.
I
would
warn
forewarn,
though,
that
I
would
be
prepared
to
put
a
motion
similar
to
today
to
the
limit
the
speaking
time
to
three
minutes
to
be
fair.
B
I
H
Q
D
B
B
We
have
to
hold
okay,
so
what
I've
just
been
advised
and
I
wasn't
actually
aware
of
this.
As
soon
as
we
passed
the
deferral
motion,
the
meeting
ends,
so
what
I'd
recommend
is
we
hold
off
on
this?
We've
had
a
good
debate.
Some
good
points
have
been
made.
We
hold
off
on
this.
We
hear
a
few
more
people.
I
know.
B
B
A
B
Now
we
move
on
to
our
speakers.
I'm
gonna
be
very
tight
with
time,
so
I'm
going
to
just
ask
you
to
speak
for
the
three
minutes,
exactly
Alastair
Robertson.
If
you
want
to
you're
still
here.
Thank
you
for
waiting.
Next
person
is
Kevin
Cooper
and
then
Shinkai
was
after
that
there
you
are
great.
So
if
you
can
get
prepared,
you've
got
three
minutes
welcomes.
Thank.
R
You,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
I'm
the
president
of
the
baby
boomer
Neighborhood
Association.
We
represent
1800
homes
in
the
area
north
of
Finch,
which
is
if,
if
this
project
is
the
creation
of
a
funnel
on
Yonge
Street,
we
are
the
top
of
the
funnel
where
the
overflow
goes,
and
we
have
some
profound
concerns
about
what
happens
if
you
restrict
the
flow
on
Yonge
Street,
without
making
other
steps
to
accommodate
the
traffic,
and
we
would
have
you
understand,
two
very
important
points
about
will.
R
The
first
of
those
considerations
is
at
York
Mills,
where
the
go
bus
station
and
the
subway
is,
along
with
it,
with
a
TTC
parking
lot
to
make
it
easier
for
people
to
drive
into
the
city
and
park
to
get
on
transit.
The
next
is
the
is
the
401
energy
which
is
I
understand
it.
The
city
would
like
the
province
to
spend
more
than
a
billion
dollars
to
rebuild,
to
resolve
the
the
on
and
off
ramp
issues
onto
that
that
roadway.
R
The
next
problem
is
the
bus
terminal
at
Sheppard
Avenue,
which
is
which
is
there
on
the
transit
node
to
make
it
possible
for
people
to
move
east
and
west.
The
final
one
in
in
Willa
Dale
is
the
largest
bus
terminal
in
the
city,
which
is
the
one
at
Finch
Avenue,
just
on
the
edge
of
this
proposed
scheme.
But
in
addition
to
that,
there
are
all
the
thousands
and
thousands
of
people
who
are
living
north
of
Steel's
Avenue
in
York
Region,
who
commute
daily
into
the
city,
and
those
people
are
not
going
away.
R
You
heard
a
presentation
earlier
today
about
the
future
of
art
of
autonomous
vehicles
and
what
they
told
you
was
more
volume,
more
volume.
If
you
look
at
the
path
of
development
north
of
Steel's
Avenue,
it
doesn't
take
a
genius
to
see
that
the
pattern
is
more
development,
more
development,
more
development.
If
the
province
gives
them
the
money
to
continue
the
subway
up
to
Lange
staff,
Road,
more
people,
more
people
more
people,
but
unless
the
capacity
of
that
subway
goes
up,
they're
still
going
to
need
to
drive
to
get
through
Willowdale
to
the
401
basic
fact.
R
R
It's
a
community
of
commuters,
I
heard
somebody
on
the
radio
today
talking
about
well,
it's
a
it
should
be,
it
should
be
a
downtown,
but
the
reality
of
it
is
it's
not
a
suburb
with
a
lot
of
vertical
suburbs.
That's
what
it
is,
because
we
don't
have
employment
in
Willowdale
which,
which
makes
it
possible
for
people
to
work
in
will
and
else
so
they
have
to
leave
to
go
and
work
or
in
many
cases
they
have
to
leave
to
go
work.
Okay,.
R
Without
changing
that,
you
can't
you
can't
get
around
the
fundamental
problem.
So
so,
if
you
don't
address
those
issues
and
you
simply
shut
off
the
flow
of
traffic
through
through
Yonge
Street,
if
you
don't
take
it
consideration,
actually
making
the
ring
roads
work
and
if
you
don't
consider
what
you
do
to
but
for
the
rest
of
the
community.
Where
are
we.
R
Well,
we
got
to
figure
out
how
to
make
it
work
and
and-
and
the
challenge
is
not
about
reimagining
Yonge
Street-
it's
about
reimagining
Willowdale,
because
we
have
we
and
we
and
we
went
through
this
process
for
years
and
years
about
the
ring
roads.
The
problem
with
the
ring
roads
is
everything
we've
done
since
has
been
to
prevent
people
from
using
the
ring
roads,
so
they
don't
go
anywhere
at
the
top
and
they
don't
go
anywhere
at
the
bottom.
R
They
just
dump
people
back
out
onto
Yonge
Street,
just
north
of
Sheppard
Avenue
and
they
kind
of
sort
of
come
out
at
Finch
Avenue.
So
if
we
don't
resolve
that
issue,
we
have
we,
they
don't
do
us
any
good.
We've
we've
done
everything
we
can
to
reduce
the
speed
on
them,
and
then
we
periodically
have
have
safety
blitzes
to
to
discourage
people
from
driving
on
them.
So
everything
we've
done
has
been
to
discourage
people
from
driving
on
them.
R
In
effect,
they're,
there
they're
a
boundary
between
the
the
one
line
development
joke-
that
is,
that
is
the
Yonge
Street
car
and
the
suburban
neighborhoods
that
predate
them,
and
and
if
we're,
if
we're
serious
about
reimagining
Yonge
Street,
we
have
to,
we
have
to
go
farther.
We
have
to
look
at
the
whole
thing.
It's
not
it's
not
rational
to
say.
If
we
just
choke
up
one
piece
of
it,
we
can
fix
the
whole
problem.
We
have
to
look
at
the
whole
thing
all
the
way
to
Steel's
having
you
in
the
long
run.
H
R
What
we've
heard
here
overwhelmingly
today
is
that
people
want
the
whole
issue
resolved,
but
you
can't
resolve
it
with
the
one
piece
it's
more
complicated
than
that
and
pretending
it
isn't
or
pretending
that
the
the
one
particular
vested
interest
or
another
particular
vested
interest
is
the
fix
does
a
disservice
to
all
the
people
who
actually
live
there
and
the
people
who
want
it
to
be
a
vibrant
community.
I
see.
K
Alistar
its
Alistar
quickly,
the
ring
roads,
the
biggest
problem
with
them
is
that
they
were.
Is
it
not
that
they
were
a
boundary
to
anyone
on
Yonge
Street
getting
into
any
of
the
residential
areas
between
Sheppard
and
Finch,
because
they're
a
hard
stop
and
they
stopped
the
use
of
the
cross
section
except
north
of
Finch?
There
is
no
such
boundary
and
the
cars
go
into
your
areas.
R
That's
correct.
That
leaves
us
with
comer.
Avenue
is
the
primary
place
for
people
to
try
and
get
to
a
north-south
Road.
They
can
use
or
Newton,
which
runs
straight
through
through
our
community,
but
with
there's,
there's
no
other
safety
valve.
So
it
has
to
come
through
our
neighborhood
and
we're
we're
we're
a
mature
residential
neighborhood,
with
lots
of
kids,
lots
of
seniors
and
a
huge
number
of
people
who
are
who
are
new
Canadians,
who
haven't
even
figured
out
that
they
can
walk
on
the
sidewalks,
so
we're
a
community
which,
which
is
under
real
pressure
there.
R
K
What
happens
if
the
city
narrows
Yonge
Street
from
just
north
of
Finch
down
to
Shepherd
and
York
region,
narrows
it
from
steals
north?
Is
it
gonna
help
in
any
way
eliminate
the
cross
traffic?
The
infiltration
of
traffic
that
you
haven't
areas
just
because
your
greetin
narrowed
their
roadway
up
at
steals
until.
R
Of
course
they
do,
and
over
over
the
last
twenty
years,
they've
been
various
traffic,
calming
measures
to
try
and
restrict
time
of
day,
turning
and
so
on
and
so
on.
The
problem
is,
if
you
carry
that
to
its
logical
conclusion,
that
the
community
can't
drive
in
its
own
community
either
and
that's
not
a
viable
solution.
Aidan
and.
K
K
D
D
You
need
to
deal
with
you
need
to
deal
with
some
of
the
other
public
transportation
modes
before
you
deal
with
this
Woodward.
Your
concept
suggests
that
that
some
of
these
subway
lines
that
have
been
on
again
off
again
be
dealt
with
to
see
what
you
know
what
it
is
that
we
can
relieve
before
we
make
these
kinds
of
decisions.
R
Cash
for
my
lady
I
have
been
involved
in
Willowdale
Municipal
Affairs.
Virtually
all
my
life
I
have
seen
every
proposal
come
and
go.
You
know.
I
got
started
in
the
early
80s
with
with
the
Finch
corridor
light
rapid
transit
plan.
Remember
that
one,
not
oldie,
but
a
goodie
I've
been
through
all
of
them
that
the
problem
is
we
keep
having
these
these
partial
conversations
and
the
reality
of
it
is.
We
need
to
have
a
grown-up
conversation,
okay,.
R
Personally,
I
think
that
if
you,
if
you
want
to
have
bike
paths
and
I,
think
I
think
that
that
if
we
can,
if
we
can
give
people
a
safe
place
to
ride
where
they're
away
from
the
fumes
of
all
the
vehicles
that
are
idling
in
traffic
I,
think
that's
a
good
model.
I.
Think
if
Beecroft
can
accommodate
that.
That's
a
good
idea.
But
it's
only
a
start.
People
have
to
have
a
way
to
go
east
and
west
as
well,
but
don't.
D
R
I
may
my
concern
because
my
neighborhood
association
is
in
is
in
Ward
24.
This
isn't
the
word
23
problem.
This
is
a
lil
Adele
problem
and
the
consultation
needs
to
be
broader
than
showing
people
some
pictures
of
some
trees
and
assets
and
a
streetscape.
It
doesn't
look
like
anything.
That's
likely
ever
going
to
happen.
R
R
As
a
meaningful
consultation
but
there,
but
there
has
to
be
a
broader
conversation
about
the
whole
community,
we
can't
we
can't
just
say:
oh
well,
let's
see
what
the
outcome
with
with
Ward
23
is
and
then
decide
what
to
do.
We
have
to
it's
time
to
grow
up
and
recognize
that
that
will
Adele
is
not
the
way
it
was
when
I
was
a
kid
that
it's
a
complicated
place
with
complicated
challenges,
and
we
need
to
consider
them
holistically
should.
D
I
You
brought
me
some
new
information
too.
It's
really
important.
You
talked
about
speed
enforcement,
blitzes,
speed,
reductions,
turn
prohibitions
and
I
would
put
to
you
that
those
are
all
the
hallmarks
of
a
community's
resistance
to
cut
through
traffic.
You
characterize
those
as
being
on
the
ring.
Roads
did
I,
get
that
right.
Yeah.
I
Some
members
of
the
community
are
advocating
for
the
reduction
of
lanes
on
Yonge
Street.
Do
you
think
that
they
would
be
prepared
to
make
a
pact
that
they
would
lift
all
of
those
restrictions
in
order
to
make
that
work?
Because
that's
the
promise
is
that
the
ring
roads
would
take
up
the
capacity
I'd.
R
Be
really
excited
if
that
would
happen
and
I'd
be
I
mean
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
my
associations
tried
to
do
for
a
long
time
is
be
constructive.
Right,
we've
supported
things
like
the
Finch
corridor,
intensification.
We
were
very
active
in
the
avenues
planning,
but
but
the
problem
is
we:
if
we,
if
we
just
keep
armoring
individual
neighborhoods
without
addressing
the
underlying
issue,
we
don't
we
don't
move
the
whole
thing
forward
and
and
if
we
just
if
we
just
keep
trying
to
slow
everybody
down,
the
cyclists
want
to
frustrate
the
drivers.
R
B
Thank
you,
we're
gonna
move
to
the
motion.
Again,
our
apologies
to
all
the
people
that
came
out
to
depute.
Today
there
was
10.
There
are
10
remaining
deputations,
but
if
we
don't
finish
by,
if
we
don't
move
these
bushes
by
3:30,
we
are
in
trouble
procedurally.
So
the
clerk
is
gonna,
walk
us
through
this
because
there's
a
number
of
motions
I'm,
not
even
aware
of
all
of
them,
I
think
I.
Think
I'm
in
the
loop
on
there's
two
from
councilman
I'm,
a
lady
one
from
Holliday
a
recorded.
A
A
A
D
B
H
A
A
A
I
I
A
B
I
Of
order,
I
know
that
in
the
discussion
and
I,
somehow
my
motion
didn't
make
it
through
there
was
that
question
posed
about
limiting
speakers
from
coming
back,
and
my
understanding
from
the
clerk's
answer
is
that
in
a
statutory
meeting
that
that's
normal,
but
it's
up
to
the
committee
to
decide,
can
I
is
it
in
order
to
place
that
motion
here
now
yeah,
because
I'm
not
sure
that
the
committee
wants
to
hear
from
somebody
twice
on
this
matter.
Yep.