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Joint Licensing and Standards and Public Works and Infrastructure Committees - December 4, 2017
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Would members of the joint licensing and standards committee and public works and.

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Infrastructure committee please report to committee room one for quorum. Please.

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Report to committee room one for quorum.

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Would members of the committee's please take your seats, please when members of.

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The licensing and standards committee in public works and infrastructure.

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Committee, please report to committee room one for quorum. Please report to.

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Committee room one for quorum. I think we.

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When members of the committee please take their seats, thank you.

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You, since quorum is present. I will be.

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Calling this meeting to order so for your information, the.

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Accessibility advisory committee meeting location has been changed to committee.

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Room two: if you are here for this committee, they are meeting in committee room two. Can I please have a motion for the.

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Election of the chair, I've got a motion ready I'd like to recommend to the.

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Committee that counselor cesar palacio chair today's meeting on behalf of the.

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Joint committees, those in favor any opposed.

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Story, councillor mana, lady.

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But we do have a quorum good morning. Everyone.

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And first I want to welcome to the first meeting of the junk committees of the.

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Licensing standards community in polyworks infrastructure, as kathryn.

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Thank you for checking me is the chair. I would like to extend a warm welcome to.

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All the members of council, of both astana, community council and members of.

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The public who are present and those who are watching the proceeds online, I would.

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Like to remind everyone that you can find the agenda for today's meeting.

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Orders payment supplementary materials submitted to the city clerk for this.

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Meeting at www.ge.com, so both astronomers can some gratefully.

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Acknowledges that we are meeting on the traditional territory of the.

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Mississauga's of the new credit nation, the haudenosaunee.

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And the human when that in homes too many diverse indigenous peoples, any.

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Concrete to invest to be declared under the declare under the municipal confer.

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To entry site members not known nor it speakers, we have a list of speakers as.

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We have, we, don't have any communications, so we have one item on the agenda and.

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That's the jccc point, one decarbonize bylaw and fees for sidewalk cafes.

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Parklets a market in this place we also have is one it's going to be a linkedin.

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List of speakers so therefore I have a motion before we get to a presentation.

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From city staff that I'd like to move yes, kevin, in essence is to reduce the.

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Speaking time for all members of council and members of the public, as well as to.

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Allow them so the party who wants to speak and they having held an.

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Opportunity to register to do so. So that's what the commercials are for. So.

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That all those in favor, please yeah, that's a that's fine deputy mayor.

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Yeah, so the research request is plated. Two motions motion, umber one, all those.

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In favor against carries the recommendation number two, their.

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Condition number two is that the length of our presentations be limited to three.

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Minutes all those in favor against it carries thank you.

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We'll get to that customer, I'm feeling yes! So now we have a presentation from.

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City staff and that's going to be a joint presentation from municipalities.

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In standards, and as well as our co2 transportation division in public realm.

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A customer leading consumer melody- you are absolutely right and actually on.

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This one, I have a friendly reminder to everyone that first in terms of motions.

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Motions should be made before the council speaks and on the subject, the.

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Motion should be in writing signed, concise in an ambiguous with regards to.

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Quorum, we are going to need several members of the committee's to be present.

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At all the time, if you are planning to leave the room, please make sure that we.

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Are going to have quorum and if needed, will have the lunch break between 12:30.

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In one thorry and I'm very optimistic and firmly that proudly, I would love to.

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Do that right now, so that we know that we're going to be working through our.

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Lunch to finish this item unreasonable to work through lunch, you need it.

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Members of the committee, we have a motion from cosmo m'lady that, if needed,.

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That we work a through lunch to finish the item. So if you, if we're.

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Not done so, that's motion. That's before us all,.

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Those in favor against it carries thank you so we'll get to the presentation and.

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To our city staff, more power to you and applaud is yours: please go ahead.

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Good morning, we're here, tracy cook- and I barbara gray, are here to give you an.

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Overview of the proposal for harmonized by laws for sidewalk, cafes and marketing.

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Areas, so we all know that sidewalk, cafes and marketing areas are quite important.

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To the culture and vibrancy of toronto streets, we understand that the economic.

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And population growth in the city has really blossomed over the last well.

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Decade, I would say, but it has resulted, certainly in more people using our.

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Streets and sidewalks- and I think you'll find this especially true in the central.

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Part of the city and in the more dense areas of the neighbourhoods and.

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Sidewalks space, while it is predominantly for walking, also balances.

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Many demands, and that includes walking space that is adequate for people of all.

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Ages and abilities, cafes and marketing displays by permit street furniture.

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Trees and landscaping signs and utilities, so we were here in april. We.

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Didn't do a joint committee at that time we did two separate presentations, both.

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On sort of the design side of this proposal and then also on the.

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Administrative and enforcement side of the proposal and were happy to be here.

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Today we actually went back and did, as the council directed a fair bit more.

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Consultation with a number of groups- and we cemented the vision and goals for.

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This bylaw harmonization that we would have now we have multiple bylaws six.

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Different bylaws, in fact, that govern sidewalk cafes across the city that can.

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Creates confusion and frustration and inefficiencies and actually limits.

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Options for businesses, and so the goals are to address accessibility as the city.

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Grows in population density provide businesses with more cafe options and.

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Simplify and update the fees there really is not a one size fits all. It's a.

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Very contextual type of program and the goals specifically for the program are.

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Around safety and accessibility vibrancy, so balancing that activity and the annum.

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With local needs for livability economic prosperity, so supporting our businesses.

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And their economic growth by purporting, by providing more design options and a.

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Balanced approach to implementation and then design excellence, so ensuring that.

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We have high-quality, well-designed cafes that enhance our public realm and the.

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Cafe experience so we've done a fair amount of consultation. In fact, going.

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Back to stakeholders, including the bia s and accessibility, advocates and design.

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Professionals over the summer and and really over the past two and a half.

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Years we've had an ongoing dialogue with the community on this issue and what we.

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Found from that consultation, the last six months was there was support for.

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More design options and flexibility. We heard this from both businesses and.

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Residents so and as well as work with the vi a's, and then we also found that.

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People were very interested in ensuring that we adapted the standards to street.

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And neighborhood characteristics, it made sense to be very contextual and I think.

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You'll see that in our our recommendation, so a couple of features.

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Of the proposed bylaw again context is key, so there's a lot of conversation in.

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Question about the the sidewalk, the clearway standards so like toronto. Other.

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Cities and ontario set their own sidewalk design standards based on local.

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Context in need the province has an aoda minimum dimension of 1.5 meters, but most.

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Cities in ontario set their own minimum standard and in fact, toronto's has been.

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2 or 2.1 minimum since about the 80s and those requirements come from east york.

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Etobicoke toronto and new york scarborough, doesn't currently have a.

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Bylaw that allows sidewalk, cafes or marketing, but again we're proposing that.

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These these cafe standards would apply a citywide and that 2 or 2.1 minimum is.

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That standard allows two people to walk side-by-side and another person to pass.

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Or two people in assistive devices to be able to pass each other on the sidewalk.

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So on a local road, which is often where we have flanca jiz for cafes, we would.

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Have no less than 1.8 meters would be the clearway requirement.

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For a marketing display no less than 2.2 meters on a collector or arterial road.

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So that's one of the busier three ways in the city where we tend to have a lot.

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More activity that standard, clear way would be no less than two point. One.

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Meters and then on the downtown streets that have high pedestrian volumes, and I.

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Have a list of them on the next page, where we would specify. We were asked to be more specific about this, and we were. There would be no less than 2.5 meters.

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Of sidewalk clear waste space where the sidewalk is at least five meters wide.

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From building face to curb space so where we already have wide sidewalks.

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Giving more space up to the pedestrian clear way to accommodate the higher.

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Pedestrian volumes: okay: these are the roads in downtown or streets in downtown.

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Toronto, that we are going to be proposing to require wider sidewalks to.

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Accommodate high pedestrian volumes, okay, some of the accessibility improvements.

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That you're going to find in this proposal the we're sticking, of course.

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With the existing rules that require a 1 metre, minimum width to the permit area.

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For access with people with disabilities, we're also adding additional white cane.

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Detectable features for people who are visually impaired of low or no vision.

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And those can be accommodated with fencing or planters. We heard a lot from.

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People with accessibility needs, and especially people with low and no vision.

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That that white cane detectable feature is really critical for how they navigate.

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Through the city, and so we've added that both a lower rail with a white cane can.

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Tap against or planters that are closely enough space so that they can provide.

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That that accessibility component we've also identified a gentle change in paths.

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So that there's not a sharp turn in the pedestrian pathway, it's a maximum of a.

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20 degree change in paths. This is important for people who are trying to.

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Navigate through the city, who would prefer to be in a straight line for their for their accessibility needs we're. We have looked to some other.

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Cities, including new york city, where, in order to balance the sidewalk cafes in.

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The excessive neads they've created some ability to bury that path, but to do it in such a way that it doesn't create sharp jarring.

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Turns and make it difficult for people to navigate and a couple of the things.

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That we've included in this proposal to reduce the impacts of accessibility.

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Requirements on existing permit holders, they can continue to operate as they are.

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Under the original agreement with the city until the earlier of two things.

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Happen one is that they transfer their permit or there's a change in owner or.

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2025, which is when the province is requiring cities to be compliant with.

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The aoda, so that gives about eight years for permit holders to transition and.

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During that time, the city would provide design, support and funding to get.

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Existing permit holders that don't meet their clearway requirements into.

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Compliance there's a couple of different things. We can use those funds for some.

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Could be to remove existing sidewalk elements that are impacting the ability.

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To have that clear way, be free of impacts, and that could be bike rings or.

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Wha or adding walkable tree grates so that we can have that be a safe and a level area or resizing street furniture. It.

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Also gives us the ability to go out and work specifically with businesses to.

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Look at how we can pull their existing cafes into compliance, and then we would.

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Report back to the committee in 2020, with with the results of that I wanted.

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To go over quickly, some of the new cafe types that would be permitted allowable.

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Under this proposed harmonized bylaw, the first is a new small cafe and small.

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Frontage marketing display it sits up here on the screen. This is effectively.

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Tables and chairs that are very close to the side of the building or in the.

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Boulevard area there would be no fee and no permit required for the small.

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Frontage cafe so people could have those out without without any cost or impact.

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There are 11 new options for businesses in terps of cafe types, there's a.

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Curbside cafe, there's a frontage and curbside cafe where the cafe can occupy.

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Both the area, that's the boulevard and also adjacent to their business again.

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Providing the appropriate level of clearway instance, there is a parklet cafe, which we've seen operate successfully in a.

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Number of other cities again very context-specific. These would not be.

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Allowable in every scenario, but it could be on the curbside as well as in the.

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Parking space, which would be accommodated with decking.

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Typically, so that that would be some separation from the travel wave and that.

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Could be either a cafe or a public space and then a couple of additional new cafe.

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Types, a temporary year-round cafe, enclosure that was one that did not was.

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Not allowable under the existing bylaw that we would allow, and we would allow.

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That enclosed cafe to operate from november to april and excuse me no.

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That's not that that's where we that's! That was the previous rule, so this would.

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Allow temporary year-round cafe enclosures under conditions such as on.

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Local roads and allowing a clearer way so that we could monitor snow and manage.

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Snow during those times, and that that enclosure would comply with the building.

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Code and fire code requirements and then the other one is a retractable cafe. So.

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Again, context-specific looking at locations where there might be high.

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Volumes of pedestrians in the morning, but then the need for businesses or the.

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Desire for businesses to have a cafe during the lunch and evening hours, where.

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We could then move those that cafe in and out based on the time of day and.

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Then, on marketing displays more flexible standards for materials that are used in.

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Marketing displays to make that a little bit more amenable to the the businesses.

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Some temporary marketing marketing enclosures that are out on the street. I.

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Believe we have 12 locations, citywide and those would be grandfathered, but.

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They would no longer be permitted and then we would also prohibit overnight.

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Storage of merchandise, on public sidewalks on the arterial roads, because.

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Of the clutter that that creates- and I am now going to turn it over to tracy- to.

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Talk about the application and review process. Thank you, barbara good morning.

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So I get to present the the rest of the rules, part of this and the process.

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Around, as barbara mentioned, we're currently dealing with a number of.

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Different bylaws across the city, so one of the big opportunities for us here.

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Is the harmonization into one by law applicable to all businesses in the city.

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The really the platform for the process that we're proposing is the current city.

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Of former city of toronto by law, three one three, which has been the one most.

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Widely applied by us, just by virtue of the number of patios that we have in.

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That area, so what this will include is us providing some standards templates.

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For business applicants so they'll know how to submit properly to facilitate the.

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Review that will be necessary better than what we have currently, which is.

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Pretty ad-hoc expanding public notification from the 14 days currently.

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To 21 days so allow people in neighborhoods, where patios are being.

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Proposed to have an opportunity to offer their input, as well as making sure that.

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Residents within 60 metres on a flank äj-- are notified of potential blanket patio. This is not dissimilar to what we do.

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Currently are currently frontage: patios have a posting flanking patios have a.

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Polling, we have more than 30% of the polling that we do doesn't even return a.

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Result and those then result in a report to community council so certainly.

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Causing a number of barriers and delays for the businesses that are seeking to.

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Operate so with the proposed process allowing residents the 21 days to.

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Comment but not relying on the requirement to mail out a poll we.

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Believe is beneficial to the businesses to first from a streamline perspective.

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But ensuring that the community still have that opportunity to easily.

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Participate and offer their concerns if they have any. In this case, where we.

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Receive more than one objection, two or more, then that would trigger a refusal.

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Of the application and those applications would come to community council the cert. This process includes a significant circulation through.

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Transportation and really ensuring that the policies set out as far as the.

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Pedestrian clear ways are maintained, but also as barbara referenced, the ability.

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For the city to work with business operators to accommodate them within the.

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Clearway, which may include us needing to move some of the materials that we put.

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In place so to facilitate, facilitate all of this part, one of the.

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Proposals includes a delegating of authority to our general manager of.

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Transportation services: oh, I can't think of anyone better to delegate an authority to him it's monday morning. Sure I'm sure everybody will agree, but.

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Certainly, to facilitate and make sure that we are that we're focused on.

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Consistency of the clear way and that the clear way that we're seeking to.

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Obtain is, is nessa, proprietary mentioned the 2.5, where necessary, 2.1 in general.

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To ensure we've got that that flow of pedestrian traffic, as well as.

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Accommodating the patios, so the intention here is to ensure that the.

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Consistency of the application of patios in our right-of-way is maintained. There.

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Will still be a role for appeals and the role of community council so certainly.

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As I mentioned the opportunity for the public to provide input where we do.

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Receive objections which currently triggers the the negative pole currently.

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Triggers the report to community council these objections similarly would require.

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A report to community council, but to deal with you know the real nuisance.

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Issues that are typically the ones that we hear about noise, lingering etc. So.

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Allow for community council to be involved in in dealing with those.

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Appeals and setting of conditions on the permits, such as perhaps operating hours.

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On flanca, jiz or others, where necessary, we're going to be requiring the permit.

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Holders to actually post their permits so they're easily visible by any member of the public, but also enforcement staff, ensuring that the dates we have aligned.

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With our snow, clearing opportunities currently amplified sound is not.

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Permitted on patios, we are not proposing changing that at all and just adding.

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Some clarity and consistency on the separation distance to residential zones.

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For the flank, each patios, currently it's 25 meters, to a residential property 30.

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Meter separation, distance to a residential zone is consistent with our.

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Zoning bylaw, so it's a modest, modest change there from an enforcement.

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Perspective there are a number of proposals that would allow us to take an.

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Escalated enforcement action where necessary.

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Which includes seizing or removing of goods or cafes, if.

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Problem if locations are problematic, referring nuisance locations to.

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Community councils so again having community councils opportunity to weigh.

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In on operating hours or other conditions of operation permitting or.

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Authorizing as an ability for us to suspend or cancel permits, where we have.

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Performance issues such as the non-payment of fees, as well as where.

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There are immediate unsafety issues or risks the ability to suspend, reduce or.

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Relocate a permit area, one example may be, you know the level of construction. We.

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Had at dundas street and the fact that most of the road was closed off and.

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Pedestrians are having to enter onto the right of this street to actually get.

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Through so there may be opportunities where we need to take action beyond what.

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We do currently on a temporary or permanent basis, so there's talking about.

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An authority for that, as well as some additional fines, where we have any.

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Permit operators who are are consistently non-compliant so one of the.

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Big pieces of discussion when this report first came out in january was.

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Around the fees, the fees have not changed so in some cases since 1980.

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Former city of york is still at the 19 80, some odd rate, so an exercise was.

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Undertaken with real estate services to really value set out a value for the use.

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Of our right-of-way and the assessment they undertook and you'll see on the.

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Chart and hopefully yours is in color, the top blue line articulates their.

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Finding, as far as the the average at-grade rental rate for commercial.

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Property and where those where those sit in january, we proposed changes to fees.

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On that middle line, the green- we heard a lot from the business community and.

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Concerns about the impact that that would have on their ability to operate.

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And certainly there was never any intention.

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Quite the contrary. We've been very mindful in any of these changes to be.

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Respectful of the importance that these businesses play in our neighborhoods so.

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With that that feedback we came back and what you'll see is the orange line just.

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The second from the bottom pretty much and that illustrates the proposed fees.

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That are embedded in the report there, approximately 18% of what the market.

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Value of our land has been determined to be. The bottom line shows you across the.

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Various areas where, where the current rates are so you'll note, the spike in in.

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North york actually is considerably higher. I think that's off a bit. It's.

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Considerably higher on a per square meter basis than any former or any.

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Former city of toronto areas, so the fees that are proposed have been also been.

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Harmonized and simplified. Currently we have seven different fees, zones, toronto.

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3 york scarborough, even though there are none north york, etobicoke, etc. So, while we're proposing our two zones either central.

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Zone which is aligned with the teok or official plan boundaries and the outer.

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Zone so everybody that's not in that central zone and two fees that apply to.

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All within those about 60, we estimate about 65% of our cafes are actually in.

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The outer zone and sorry this includes the marking displays as well, so what the.

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Fees look like there is a change on the new application on the application fee.

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As well as the tree-planting fee, I think it's about 3000 now we're bringing that.

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Down to 1300 and that's to be used to replace, to continue to contribute to the.

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Tree canopy so you'll see the two proposed zone structures, a central zone.

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At 88 31 the outer zone at 44, 14 marketing, 60 to 65 and 38 12, the small.

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Ones that barbara referenced no fee and year-round and park lots have different.

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Fees, so the implementation of the fee is something that we again listen to the.

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Business community heard about the impact of increasing fees and all the.

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Other costs they have that increase. So what we've proposed is a 10-year, phased.

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In implementation of the increase to the fees so referencing, the page prior for.

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An example the let's say the outer zone or sorry yeah, the outer zone 44:14 that.

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Will be the fee ten years? That'll be the fee right now for any new application.

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Any existing permit holder would be having their fees increased over the.

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Next, 10 years to get to that fee amount. So it's the present value. 18 percent of.

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The present market value of the property, but they won't be paying that fully.

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Until 10 years out, that's what's being proposed to try to smooth out the impact.

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Of these fee increases, I think I've already mentioned. Sixty-Five percent are.

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Actually, in the outer zone, so one one area in particular: we have a fees own.

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For north york, which I think is over a hundred and forty some odd dollars.

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That's gonna be dropping to 88 so where fees are declining in north yorkshire.

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Anto one by a couple of dollars and some in toronto 3 some will see a decline in.

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Their fees, in those cases, those fee changes, would take effect immediately.

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Upon implementation of their enactment of the bylaw effective date of the bylaw.

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Sorry and the rest, as I say, would be a 10-year phased in implementation. We.

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Would not be subjecting those fees to inflation either, so it wouldn't be a.

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Continuing chase after an ever-escalating fee, so that is what is.

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In front of, you is proposed as far as implementation, and I think barbarity.

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References as well that any existing permit holders can continue to operate.

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As as they are, except where you know, work with them needs to happen to ensure.

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That we're gaining the appropriate space from a right-of-way clearance.

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Perspective and what we are proposing is a may 1 2018 start date, so effective.

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That date, any new application for a permit would be subject to the new.

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Requirements and and then we start working with with all the rest who are.

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Current and we need to work with, and I think we've also proposed- we come back.

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In two years to let you know how we're doing and what the next five years might.

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Look like so that is the whole big package. You have in front of you, but you.

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Know I think what's important is this has been going on for a couple of years.

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And we've been trying to get that right. Balance of in making sure that everybody's interests in our right-of-way is is respected. Businesses.

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Absolutely contribute to vibrancy; they also can contribute to obstruction. We.

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Can contribute to so? How do we, together, as in a.

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Partnership of the business business community and our residents make sure.

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That the clear ways are appropriate and our businesses are vibrant and.

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Successful and I think that's where we've tried to land from.

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Sanitation, what I'm going to suggest members to cancel is that any questions.

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That you can leave the questions of staff until we hear the reputation spurs.

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Are we okay with that great, so we'll get on to the petitions now the first.

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Speaker john ray and then the next three speakers that having asked to call is.

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Michael black marine coin and anniela navy and they're going to make a joint.

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Presentation so the person I will call the names up onto the list.

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He's gotta say thank you. Mr. chairman, I think he wants to register. Declare will.

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Approach you please monitor good to have.

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You here please go ahead. You have three minutes.

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Thank you. Mr. chairman. Mr. chairman committee, members staff, my name is john.

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Rae, I'm totally blind and native torontonian. I live in downtown toronto.

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For the last 27 years, that, of course, is word 27. I am concerned about this issue.

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It has a direct impact upon me. Let me let me frame my comments in a way I.

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Don't normally do, and that is with us with a brief personal story.

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I don't normally tell stories about myself. A committee means like this, but.

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Today I will late last year I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic and my.

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Doctor suggested it would be good for my health if I became a bit more physically.

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Active you know, I even conceded she was probably right. She suggested walking and.

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She was, she was amazed at my strong adamant response, which was.

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Not a chance not a chance, she was surprised. Maybe there's a bit of.

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Surprise here too, I said it's very simple for me as a blind person that.

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Uses a white cane: this is not a terribly walkable city. It's just that simple.

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There is what I call sidewalk clutter everywhere, whether it's paper boxes.

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Sandwich boards flower beds that are encased in cement, oh, can you can you.

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Hear my portions screaming what at this, when I even think about that one.

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And of course patios tim: what's that, then? Oh, don't get me started on them.

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So there's two sides to this really two main aspects: what is space there should.

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Be consistent space all over the city and there should be no exceptions. 2.1.

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Meters of sidewalk space is the absolute minimum. We would we in the blind.

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Community would prefer more than that, but there also needs to be a clear.

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Demarcation between patios and participating areas- I am so I am a.

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Person who enjoys eating on patios when the weather is nice, and I would prefer.

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There be this demarcation both for me as a diner, and when I am a pedestrian.

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Walking around, I think it's important that there be some kind of barrier.

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Between patio patrons and pedestrians- and I think that should be consistent.

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And without any exceptions, because when there are exceptions, inevitably those.

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Exceptions will grow and the amount of space that you may designate now, veldt.

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You know the old notion you give someone an inch and they'll take.

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They'll take at least a foot, that's inevitable in this case, thanks, sir any.

G

Questions to their depth and thanks so much for your presentation. Yes, there is.

G

A question sir, this one is deputy mayor development.

G

Please go ahead, I thank you through you, mr. sharon and.

J

Thank you mr. wray, for coming in today. I guess my question to you is: if you can.

J

Give me maybe the main intersection or area of where you live. Oh, I live at.

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Jarvis sorry dundas in jarvis service, an area.

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Where there was where this consumer, where condos are going up like bad weeds.

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And for yourself, do you find there's specific hot spots that are trouble for.

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You or is it just everywhere, say along that dundas street area. Well, there are.

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Places that are worse than others, yonge and dundas being a prime example, because.

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As the other person here mentioned, there are those religious idiots but they're.

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Also means, while they call themselves musicians, I call noise makers and what.

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Those I understand they need to make a living. I understand that, but they make.

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It difficult for me to hear when a street car pulls up and I contend that's.

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Dangerous, so yes, sir, there there are places that.

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Are better than others and theories, but they change. You know as well as I do.

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Their street their street, paving their sidewalk refurbishing things that we.

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Need and and there's construction the city changes almost day by day and.

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That's why I want something: that's consistent where, where I can expect the.

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Same amount of space, whether I'm walking at 10:00 in the morning or whether I'm.

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Walking at noon, I don't I don't want to have to think of it's it's I I thought I.

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Thought I can only take take my walk at 10:00 in the morning. I want consistency.

I

Sir okay, great thank you mr. chair. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. mee.

G

The next dep tent idina level from the economy, association.

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For retired persons from the chapter good morning, good come here good morning.

F

Thank you very much. My name is adina lobo with carp toronto.

F

Speaking on behalf of our 50,000 members, while we support the direction intent of.

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The recommendations put forward as a good beginning the two point: one meter.

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Clearance is a bare minimum in order to have restaurants and cafes as partners.

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And we are still very concerned that they don't go far enough to ensure the.

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Safety and improve sidewalk accessibility for the long term on our.

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Major streets and avenues- carp toronto is the largest advocacy group for.

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Seniors in the city, so please remember that the stats are showing that over the.

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Next, 10 to 15 years, the 60 plus population will expand from six hundred.

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And eighty thousand to 1.2 million and therefore we will be seeing many more.

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People with scooters walkers in wheelchairs and canes using city.

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Sidewalks, this is in addition to the 15 percent disability community, and this is.

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An addition to moms with strollers and kids on bikes and skateboards and.

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Younger people and other challenges added in that's almost 50 percent of the.

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Population, that's going to need space carps, active aging campaign is.

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Encouraging seniors to keep active and engaged and not stay home, because.

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Staying home leads to social isolation, which leads to disease and increased.

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Healthcare costs, so active aging demands that people get out, and this demands.

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Sidewalk cafes, sidewalk, restaurants, but also sidewalk safety and accessibility.

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Other cities like ottawa, calgary and edmonton have mandated in certain.

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Arterial streets 3 to 3.8 meters in order to ensure the excessive.

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With ramps to stores and restaurants, as well as allowing people to walk the.

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Streets according to stopgap foundation, who karp.

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Toronto is in partnership with two-thirds of the toronto stores are not.

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Handicap accessible at this point in time and we're partnering with them to.

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Go forward with this we've been speaking to many restaurants and store owners who.

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Want to ramp it up for increased clientele, but at this point in time it's.

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Illegal straight and unobstructed, sidewalks free of obstructions are.

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Critical for safety, comfort and convenience of all those with vision.

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Mobility and cognitive impairments and to accommodate all interests using the.

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Sidewalks the ao ds, the aoda is one point five and the two point, one minimum.

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Walk are appropriate for lower pedestrian volumes of smaller toronto.

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Streets and smaller ontario towns, but four major avenues and arterioles here.

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In toronto, it is not enough, it is a minimum width, especially with a.

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Population, that's aging and using devices necessitate more space and who.

F

Will need ramps to enter commercial. Thank you ma'am. Thank you. Any questions.

G

To miss leveaux, yes, is deaf tamayo. Development can please go ahead. Thank.

J

You, mr. chair and through you, and thank you very much for coming in today. I just.

J

Want to confirm so are you agreeing with the staff recommendations? The two point.

F

One is a minimum, is the local beginning and two point five for the major roads.

F

That their major arterials that were listed there, that are probably larger.

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Than two point five: so the findings, if you take a look at different.

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Presentations, so yes, two wheelchairs can pass going different directions. One.

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Wheelchair and two people at 2.5 at to point but 2.5 to 3, is what's needed.

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To to ramp it up, what we have in toronto now is competing rights. If you put out a.

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Ramp and you're on toronto property, somebody else could trip and fall right.

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This is called competing rights in order to accommodate everybody. You know we.

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Have to envisage a city that that has design goals and strengths that are.

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Seeing everybody- and that includes the restaurants that includes the outside.

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Cafes, that includes the trees, but it also includes ways for people to get.

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Into the restaurants and the cafe so you're agreeing with our staff.

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Recommendation no less than two point: no less in some places do need more. That's.

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For planners the professional planners- and they approve a condo to make sure.

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But you want to make sure so you're here supporting the staff recommendation. You.

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Point one is better than the aoda one point: five, which is this big? It's not.

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Very big at all, and we support, do you know what I mean new new new structures.

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Going up new condos new to take a look really at the reality of 50% of the.

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Population with devices okay, great, thank you. Thank you any other questions. If not.

G

Thank you, miss leveaux, the next speakers.

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Have been requested to have three members of the water owner make a.

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Presentation and we have michael black marine coil and danila levy pinto. Please.

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Come forward take your time good morning, good to have.

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You here is interesting that you're going to make a joint presentation so.

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You have three minutes each all together nine minutes to speak. Please go ahead.

K

Thank you. Thank you very much for having us here today and having this this.

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Discussion which we've been anxious to have for some time, my name is maureen.

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Coyle and I represent the steering committee of wok toronto, we are an.

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Advocacy group that is focused on create the creation of safe, equitable.

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Accessible public spaces and that one that advocates for walking is a record.

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Now and recognized form of active transportation, and that aims also to.

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Foster a walking culture walk toronto is and is allied with pedestrian.

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Organizations across the province nationally and internationally, and we.

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Are a volunteer organization with members in every part of the city, wok.

K

Toronto is pleased to be on record in support of this proposed bylaw. We see.

K

This as a balanced, practical approach to making sidewalks at once more.

K

Accommodating and more vibrant by allowing for a wider variety of sidewalk.

K

Cafes and ensuring sufficient space for all sidewalk users- this is the first.

K

Bylaw that addresses the need of sidewalk users for decades and it's the.

K

First time since priam algum ation to create some uniformity in the issues of.

K

Sidewalks across the street at this city, the bylaw is long overdue and it.

K

Contains some positive measures that can be embraced by all torontonians.

K

Including owners of affected businesses, while some will complain that the.

K

Sidewalk cafes fees will go up; a large percentage of existing cafes are paying.

K

No fees at all or have expanded beyond the limits that they have paid for.

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Without being called to account the increased fees proposed by the city in.

K

Exchange for large sections of the public realm are modest enough to.

K

Courage, growth in the sector. Further, these new rules will allow cafes in.

K

Places within the public space and across the city, where business owners.

K

Have had no opportunity to expand previously sidewalk cafes can be a.

K

Wonderful addition to a community, provided they do not conflict with the.

K

Needs of their neighbors they're, an important part of civic placemaking that.

K

Can enhance the livability of a neighborhood, the complexity of sidewalks.

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Makes them the most contested of all public spaces.

K

They include pedestrians from infants to elders and every type of body in between.

K

Sidewalks are accepted places for children on bicycles, people on.

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Rollerblades people pushing strollers skateboarders and people on foot.

K

Sidewalks also have to be safe avenues for transportation, with people with.

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Using assistive devices- and they are also the only spaces the sidewalks- are.

K

Only the only spaces open to people who walk for transportation, for recreation.

K

Or simply to get home, the challenge to municipalities is to mediate between the.

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Business interests and the interests of local residents, tourists and people who.

K

Use the sidewalks getting to get around people who need to get around include.

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Those using assistive devices and service animals the pedestrian, clear way.

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Must be clear and completely free of clutter, including fencing, bins, chairs.

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Tables or signage, look at this clear way is a basic human right and it will allow.

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Someone with a mobility device or a guide dog to walk with a companion.

K

Rather than in single-file, the need for uncluttered, clear ways affects us all.

K

There is no one in this room, there is no one in this building and I dare say.

K

There are very few in this entire city who will not at some point in their.

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Lives experience a disability whether that comes through an unfortunate event.

K

An illness acquired through wear and tear whether it is a short period of a.

K

Pair impaired ability to move freely due to a transitory, a temporary.

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Or a permanent disability, so we are talking about something that is not a.

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Fringe issue, when we talk about accessibility needs, as the minister of.

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Transportation steven del duca said in a recent public speech. There has been a 40.

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Percent reduction in applications for new driver's licenses in ontario, that is.

K

A startling drop in the number of new drivers, but it is not unique. The same.

K

Pattern is replicated across north america and across all age groups,.

K

Clearly, people are choosing other forms of transportation other than cars and.

K

Many of those are voting with their feet to become pedestrians. Those of us who.

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Walk as after the active transportation can attest to the dense congestion on.

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The sidewalks in many parts of the city, the city of toronto, has an opportunity.

K

To be a leader in this matter of public space and its many uses, and what toronto.

K

Needs is leadership to provide what is reasonable now and in the future, and not.

K

The least we can get away with this proposal, while not perfect, is a positive.

K

Step towards creating a public realm that provides for sometimes competing.

K

Uses of public space and it has within it the seeds to develop a pedestrian.

K

Realm of a future. Thank you. My name is.

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Daniela levy pinto. I am also a member of the steering committee of walk toronto.

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And walk toronto is a member of the sidewalks for all coalition. We, of course,.

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Endorse the recommendations made by the coalition, they will be speaking later. I.

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Would like to focus on the need for adequate sidewalk with the clear we must.

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Be wide enough to properly provide and accommodate pedestrians narrow on.

L

Private sidewalks are uncomfortable and threatening for people with disabilities.

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And for seniors, many of whom have balance and mobility issues and who can.

L

Stumble and fall, if brushed by other pedestrians, their.

L

Accessibility for ontarians with disabilities act set a clear way.

L

Requirement of 1.5 metres has been stated, but this is a basic minimum.

L

Provincial standard, which provides space for two wheelchairs to pass next to each.

L

Other there's some voices asking for a race to the bottom, essentially that.

L

Would entail adopting the minimum aoda standard, but this ignores the intent of.

L

Our provincial accessibility legislation, with which clearly states that existing.

L

Municipal bylaws policies and standards that exceed ba oda shall prevail and not.

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Be diminished or lowered by by the aoda the standard is, may be adequate for.

L

Smaller towns, but not for big toronto streets, if you use, if we use highways as.

L

An analogy: it is obvious that visitor on two sections of an expressway, such as.

L

The 401 will require more lanes, then sections in rural areas, where there's.

L

Far less traffic sidewalks are the same. Big cities require sidewalks that can.

L

Accommodate the volume of pedestrians that are a reality in toronto, we support.

L

Staffs recommendation for a 2.1 minimum pedestrian, clear way on arterials and.

L

Collectors, this allows one person to pass two people walking to that together.

L

It's not overly generous if we consider all the different users that are.

L

Competing on the sidewalks francs, with strollers other older people using.

L

Mobility devices people with service animals, such as myself, with my guide dog.

L

And we also support the recommendation for 2.5 metres in specified down.

L

Downtown streets with higher pedestrian volumes, this may be seen as excuse me.

G

Mom, I will stop your time for a second to the gentleman in the back. Who is.

G

Wearing the master shirt and I can see there is quite a bit of a scene from.

G

That corner, I would like to remind the members of the public image council at.

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The same time that to refrain from using any offensive disrespectful, one.

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Parliamentary language, as I'm listening right now about any member who is.

G

Speaking city officials or members of the public.

G

My job as a chair right now is to ensure that we maintain decorum and civility in.

G

This room, please be advised. Thank you, sir.

G

The committee will deal with that at the end, please car seat. Thank you. I'm sorry.

G

About that please work here, so this 2.5 meters in busy streets is a continuation.

L

Of existing cities, practice that are already enough for this toronto council.

L

Has approved several exceptions for the scene in busy streets also accessible.

L

And wide sidewalks are good for business. Then it's not only one person per day.

L

Who may have issues negotiating the sidewalk sidewalks that are obstructed.

L

By patios and and furnishings, 15 percent of the canadian population has a.

L

Disability, the population of seniors in toronto is growing 15.6 of the toronto.

L

Population is already 65 years and older. Many of them have mobility and cognitive.

L

Issues and they also need the sidewalk, so natural sidewalks are also a problem.

L

For parents with strollers for cyclists walking to lot of their bikes if all.

L

These all these groups have something they all eat and drink and at the face.

L

And they all shop and if they don't find an inviting sidewalk and inviting an.

L

Accessible environment, they will take their business elsewhere.

L

And this is what can I actually make the difference between those and profit for.

L

Businesses, finally, I would like to stress the importance of having fear the.

L

Limitations for the cafes, particularly important for for blind people, and this.

L

Would also enhance the experience for patrons who would not experience you.

L

Know being crushed by passing pedestrians trying to make their way on.

L

The sidewalk, thank you. Thank you. It's we are all well.

G

Yeah, the speaking time for the three of you was 9 minutes having quite a bit.

G

Lenient but mr. black try to be short with your comments, our northern please.

M

For your understanding, my name is michael black, I'm also with wok toronto.

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And I'm gonna change gears a bit and talk about enforcement matters. You've.

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Heard staff mention that for about a quarter of a century, most of the city of.

M

Most of toronto has had on its books a clearway standard of two to two point.

M

One meters, I think staff are being exceptionally generous and setting the.

M

Year, 2025 as the deadline for bringing all sidewalk cafes into compliance with.

M

The harmonized bylaw- this is hardly a case of bureaucrats deciding to impose.

M

Tough new standards on the restaurant industry without any warning, bylaws.

M

Existed, what was lacking was their enforcement. The scale of the problem was.

M

Revealed in a 2015 survey conducted by transportation services of no less than.

M

570 cafe locations, a whopping 50% were found to be flouting clearway standards.

M

This statistic is appalling and begs the class.

M

In pouch, restaurants, with a non-compliant patios have vanished to.

M

Renew their licenses every year, there can be no doubt that our sidewalk cafe.

M

Licensing inspection and enforcement system is dysfunctional. This is your.

M

Chance to fix them, I welcome you to do it.

G

Thanks. Thank you. Mr. black questions to the debutantes visiting members of.

G

Council first consider davis, please go ahead. Thank you very much for coming and.

B

We have an accessibility committee meeting right now that, and I sit on that.

B

Committee, so I'm just over here to hear what what you have to say, but I wanted.

B

To ask one of the things that there's two things one is. This proposal allows.

B

For a 20 degree change in the path- and I wanted to understand what you thought.

B

About that, it seems to me that that is not the clear way that we had been.

B

Looking for maybe I'll answer that one I've taken a very close look at the.

M

Diagram that staff made- and it looks impressive but from the actual.

M

Standpoint of users, you won't have a gentle bend, people will tend to.

M

Especially if they're visually impaired, that's more or less you know hit at 90.

M

Degrees, the boundary of a cafe and if there is to be any safe, fencing or.

M

Demarcation that would probably have to be in the section that would be near the.

M

Neighboring businesses, rather than the actual cafe itself, and I can't see a.

M

Neighboring business being willing to put up a small fence or whatever to.

M

Start people angling people around the cafe right. It shows this pathway going.

B

On an angle, but there is nothing that guides people on that angle. If you were.

B

To walk straight you'd walk right into the next patio, precisely right. There's a.

B

Line that shows that, but this is just an image that somehow people would know.

B

That they have to now move to the right to avoid the jutting out patio, okay,.

B

The other question has to do with grandfathering all the existing ones and.

B

I didn't hear your comments on that so right now I heard what you talked about.

B

Enforcement- and I absolutely agree there are all kinds of them out there- that.

B

Have not been enforced and that's created a lot of unfairness right now, so.

B

I'm wondering whether you know giving people to 2025 to comply is a reasonable.

B

Time frame or whether or not we ought to be saying, everybody's treated the same.

B

Way- and you know they must comply we're, certainly in a much shorter time frame.

B

Than that I I'm gonna refer back to my comments about enforcement. Most.

M

Non-Compliant cafe owners would have known that ain't there exceeding the.

M

Standards- and this has been going on for years so we're giving the city's giving.

M

Them something like eight eight years plus assistance to I within compliance.

M

And we're impressed by the options the city is opening up. You know if, if.

M

Something doesn't work right now they can try. Another configuration also.

M

I have to say at times the problem is not with the sidewalk cafe. It's with all.

M

Of the obstructions, like newspaper boxes, lanterns, the city puts up right and if.

M

They were to use some of the licensing fees to actually move some of this out.

M

Of the way of the patio, but move them out of the way of whom, because depending.

B

On where the plan, sir, you can or cannot meet the clearway.

B

That's you know, that's clearly, one of the issues, but anyway on the enforcement.

B

Piece there may be people even who've had orders that have yet to comply. That.

B

Have not been enforced. Are you aware of any of those? I am not. Okay, our.

M

Understanding is that the city has used the very light touch if any sort of.

M

Touch in dealing with non-compliance and I would actually be overjoyed if an.

M

Amendment was made to have some sort of inventory drawn up with real details.

K

Right and to michael's earlier point, councillor davis. This is a very generous.

K

Package, just as being this is being very accommodating of the business community.

K

Mm-Hmm, whether or not it airs on the side of overly generous, that is.

K

Something that that perhaps you could consider when you're debating this and.

K

When it goes forward, okay, thank you. Thank you. Any other visiting member.

G

Concern, if not we'll go to members the committee committees, any questions not.

G

Thanks so much representation. Well then, thank you.

G

The next debutante is richard gilbert, followed by john carew and sarah.

G

Criminal good morning, good to have you here. Thank you, mr. chairman,.

G

Welcome back and thank you, members of the committee 40 years ago I chaired one.

M

Of the predecessor committees of this committee, the then city of toronto,.

M

Public works committee in much less fancy surroundings, but I want to go.

M

About further back in history than that a mere 40 years ago, I want to go back to.

M

The 18th century, when toronto wasn't even formed when, when we were the town.

M

Of york and the very first civic official that was appointed was the path.

M

Master and the path masters her job was to make sure that pedestrians had a way.

M

To walk through the muddy streets, it was a very muddy city, muddy york, that was a.

M

High point that appointment in in civic regard for pedestrians, a low point came.

M

About a hundred and thirty years later about a hundred years ago, until then.

M

Until the early years of the 20th century, the streets were for everybody.

M

For kids playing for vehicles, mostly horse-drawn, for push, cart, vendors and.

M

Especially for pedestrians, all this changed with the arrival of the.

M

Automobile streets were rebuilt to accommodate cars, auto manufacturers.

M

Argued successfully for the creation of a new offense, completely new offense.

M

It was jaywalking, pedestrians were confined to the sidewalks.

M

It went further in diminishing the possibilities for pedestrians, jane.

M

Jacobs observed in 1961 all, but the most minimum pedestrian needs are gradually.

M

And steadily sacrificed, but one thing remains: sacrosanct: where possible.

M

Pedestrians were given a minimum width to walk along and pass each other.

M

Pushing strollers or wheelchairs- and this was 7 feet, and it was a width that.

M

Was baked into every sidewalk design manual, the width was diminished a little.

M

With metro, fication 2 point 1, 3 4 meters became 2.1 meters and in some places.

M

Like the former borough of east york, it became 2 meters, which is half a foot.

M

Less than than 7 feet, but that's a quibble to question that it's not.

M

Equivalent to 1.5 meters, that's a 30% reduction from that baked in traditional.

M

Standard, so what's the concern in this often very praiseworthy report that you.

M

Have before you right near the end on page 31 of a 32-page printout, there is a.

M

Strong suggestion that the only substandard sidewalks in the city are.

M

Those that have less than 1.5 meters, in other words 1.5 meters, is enough. Forget.

M

All the stuff about clearway specifications and so on that one.

M

Sentence right near the end of the report is enough to damage the whole.

M

Report the standard doorway for a wheelchair is 32 inches just over 83.

M

Centimeters and simple math shows you that if you have only 1.5 meters for the.

M

Pedestrian clearway to wheelchairs may not be able to pass each other, and some.

M

Strollers are as wide as wheelchairs. I use a wide stroller. I have three.

M

Grandchildren under five and I push them around and and going past some patios.

M

Requires quite a bit of navigation already. Is this.

M

The also important thing is that, when the sidewalk is so narrow couples that.

M

Are walking along can't pass each other? They have to walk single file. Is this.

M

What we're designing cities for the people who are out for a walk or a.

M

Stroll have to be like they're in a prison yard and have an exercise yard.

M

And and and be had difficulty talking to each other earlier this year,.

M

Amazon asked me to spend a couple of days at their headquarters in seattle.

M

Discussing a topic that amazon is getting very interested in, which is.

M

Urban transportation: I've no insight into how toronto is faring in the least.

G

Threat to our try to wrap up got a wrap-up. Okay. Can I say my last paragraph.

M

I'll skip the amazon stuff, but I want you to keep that 2.1 standard for all.

M

Sidewalks, I want you to keep the clear ways as straight as possible, and I want.

M

You to enforce the bylaws as strictly as you can. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. gilbert.

G

My former metro council on good to have you here, watchers to the dep attend. If.

G

Not thank you for representation. Don't you please go ahead. Three. Mr. chairman.

N

First of all, I'd like to thank staff. It's been seven years that we've that.

N

We've been at this we've gone through two mayor's three general managers of p.

N

Wic and and a number of staff, and in fact some of you guys around this table.

N

Went around when that whole thing started so kudos. I think that there has.

N

Been some meaningful changes to the report from where we've started, that.

N

Said there are a couple of concerns that that I still bring forward and I'm not.

N

Gonna sit here and defeat the two point: one versus the the aoda sat one point.

N

Five, you know that goes where it will. There will be opportunities to deal with.

N

That that said, the previous report spoke to a.

N

15 year, implementation of the fee increases I've known.

N

That that's gone down to 10 right now, we'd like to know what the rationale of.

N

That is, and the reason for that is the same reasoning. I believe that we need.

N

Grandfathering because- and there were some comments made about that.

N

Grandfather, you got to remember that some of these people have made significant investments in their businesses. People have bought or entered.

N

Into agreements long term lease agreements to to lease these premises as.

N

A result we need to give them that time to catch up to those commitments that.

N

They've had so grandfathering continues to be a necessity because they were.

N

Still leases that people are going to be required to pay based on the ability to.

N

Generate revenue from patios, so the fee that 15 years would be would be helpful.

N

To be brought back in, I understand through the process, and it was said.

N

Again, today that the real estate division came up with the numbers based.

N

On 18 percent of, what's deemed to be a market value out there, I think that.

N

There may be in fact, some discriminatory fees that are set into this place. 88 31.

N

Per meter for a patio and displays are at 62 dollars and 63 cents per meter.

N

That's a meter is a meter well on bloor street, whether it's 1800 bloor street.

N

That has a patio or 18:06 bloor street three doors down that has a green.

N

Display in every appraisal course that I've ever taken is a meter is a meter.

N

When the zoning is the same, there is no distinction, so I would suggest that.

N

There not be a distinction on the parameter basis in the inner zone or the.

N

Other zone that they both be, in fact in the inner zone, the display and the.

N

Restaurant fee be the same so that 88 31 per meter should in fact be reduced down.

N

To 63 62 63, if the real estate division can justify that a meter of retail space.

N

On bloor street is where 62 63 for displays. It's exactly the same thing.

N

We're not asking for a zoning change. There is no distinction between that. So I would suggest that we're discriminating.

N

Against restaurants, when we're setting a much higher fee against the restaurants.

N

For exactly the same square meter application fee 11:31 thanks for.

N

Dropping that down from $1,300, I think it's still high when you as we.

N

Always like to compare ourselves to other jurisdictions yep, I think that.

N

That fee should be more reflective of places like seattle, who have six hundred.

N

Dollar registration fee- that's in seattle, they have a number of cafes out.

N

There they charge that, and most importantly mr. chairman.

N

Education, I think- and I don't see anywhere in here- an education plan not.

N

Only to educate the restaurants. Thank you we'll be asking your questions about.

G

That thank you. If we have a few questions for you, starting with customer.

G

M'lady, please go ahead. Thank you for coming down again believe a so I've been.

A

Looking at this- and I'm not completely opposed to to what we're doing here, I.

A

Just I've got some serious concerns with what's in front of us, though,.

A

And one of them, I think, will have to do with with your membership and how.

A

They're gonna feel later now in the presentation that staff made. We have a.

A

Number of streets here that need wider sidewalks. In order for this to happen,.

A

There's a number of them: yonge street york, streets, wellington, queen street bay,.

A

Street that tells me that they have to come out which tells me that the roads.

A

Are going to be narrower, which tells me that we're gonna have yet other problems.

A

In the city, with respect to cars and congestion, based on that and more.

A

Importantly, I'm not sure if your membership has looked at this or not, but.

A

The loss of parking and the revenue that the city is going to endure in in the.

A

Form of a loss to your membership, how do you feel a little done and any impact on.

N

The ability to do business and to conduct business in this city specifically is important to us. Mr. chairman, I read I.

N

Read that section as that there will be a inference to where there is already.

N

Broader space, wider sidewalks that that two-point-five applies to this is not to.

N

Say that we're going to be punching out, curbs and and and reducing the widths of.

N

Our streets, the report, I believe, speaks to a two point: five, if there is over.

N

Five meters already existing in a sidewalk or thereabouts, don't quote me.

N

Exactly on those numbers, but I think that they are where that is so. I don't.

N

Think the report implies that we're going to be widening sidewalks to.

N

Accommodate this, what we're doing is we're asking for a little extra room in.

N

Places where there is existing room, I I see that differently. I think there's an.

A

Agenda at play here- and I think that this is yet another excuse to I'll- take.

N

That under advisement and I and I think that if, if your.

A

Membership has not been advised of this that perhaps some more consultation take.

A

Place with respect to how they feel about that, because the restaurants on.

A

These streets are all going to want patios and the only way they're going to.

A

Get them is with the the narrowing of the roads. What does that do to the.

A

Parking in front of your establishments, it gets rid of them and it gets rid of.

A

The revenue that we make with the city of toronto as well, so I don't know if.

A

You want to comment on that. Well, I you know, I think, you've all heard me speak.

N

To the fact that restaurants, patios cafes or the dining rooms, living rooms,.

N

And kitchens of today's toronto, as we continue to build four or five six.

N

Hundred square foot condominium units all those people living throughout those.

N

Centers or coming down and enjoying the street- and this is where we are very.

N

Important, I agree with your parking continues to be a focus again I'll. Take.

N

That under advisement, my understanding, my reading of the report, is that we're.

N

Looking at those numbers strictly in areas that have wide enough sidewalk, if.

N

That's any different, we'll certainly take our case to where it needs to be.

N

Taken. Thank you last question and it's with respect to.

A

Trying to phrase it.

N

Okay, rbm bees, so they play a role in in the main arterial roads as we go through.

A

These changes, in other words, many of your members, have have commercial units.

A

On main arterial, roads that are that have secondary units or even in some.

A

Cases like st. claire, a third unit that are residential. Do you see rb m b's.

A

Playing a role in in the future of main artery roads this way, and how do you.

A

Accommodate that into into everything we've heard here today with respect to.

A

Pedestrians and their concerns, and all of that there's no question that there.

N

Is mixed use on arterial, roads, residential accommodations above.

N

Commercial air b&b- I personally believe, plays a significant role in building.

N

Communities bia s now have to think as tourism destinations. We've never had the.

N

Opportunity on in western road or an emory village as a destination, a tourism.

N

Destination effectively the airbnb, whether it's in the residential component or along the commercial component, if it meets the zoning bylaw.

N

Will certainly accommodate that it brings new people into our neighborhoods.

N

It allows our businesses to act. Should we be dealing with this right now, no.

N

Less question: domestically, they please walk in. Thank you mr. chair. Thank you.

O

For speaking to us today, the conversation is focused mostly on the.

O

Notion of cafes, but in the report there's something called a public park.

O

Lot- and I guess the the to paraphrase what I understand of it, is that a bia or.

O

Some other non-governmental organization can apply to the city too.

O

Essentially, extend the sidewalk into the parking bays and create a public park. I.

O

Think the fee is about $500 and it's treated a little differently. The.

O

Notification requirements appear to be different and the license requirements.

O

Appear to be different, I wondered in your dealings with the bia.

O

If you had seen some interest in sponsoring these type of park, lots.

O

I'm assuming that the bia is will have to pay, for them will have to design them.

O

Will have to pay the insurance and all of the accoutrements that come with.

O

Installing one of these, I wonder if you could offer comment on that yep.

N

I think park lights were an innovation. That's come to toronto. Previously I.

N

Believe church street, in fact had an accommodation for a very similar thing.

N

Where you take one or two parking spaces in a bump, out or or else and.

N

Accommodated by building out a secured, very distinct opportunity to put tables.

N

For for local businesses, for people to to be able to sit and have their coffees.

N

Etc, I think what this does is expanse, that opportunity to, if you don't have.

N

The width of the sidewalk that you can in fact encroach innovative it's it's.

N

Done in other jurisdictions, is it the bia that does it? I believe there would.

N

Be a different fee if, in fact, the business wanted to do it for their.

N

Liquor, accommodations, it sorry, I think it's just another opportunity in the.

N

Bucket of opportunities that have been presented through this report, as we.

N

Negotiated ourselves through this over seven years, so iii think that's just.

N

Another opportunity that a business can take or even a bia to open it up for a.

N

Number of businesses that may be coffee shops or you can have your coffee and be.

N

Able to sit down so definitely an added advantage to the bucket list of.

N

Opportunities that have been developed. I still believe, though, that the structure.

N

The fees really really need to be looked at this councillor in in terms of not.

N

Only that where there is the bia or the independent, but still a meter, is a meter.

N

On the similar street, and to put two different rates on to that is, is.

N

Unjustifiable, in my opinion, okay, okay and you think the bia is- would.

O

Make use of the parklet idea the public parklet and it being different than the.

O

Cafe, parklet, which is connected to the business, that's right beside it. I think.

N

So, like I said, we've seen it young streets did something a few years.

N

Back when they took an in the lane and and animated that, but church street is.

N

My best recollection of of actually taking a couple of parking spaces and.

N

Making that common space, thank you thank you.

G

Any other questions- yes, sorry, you're. The most wanted right now is go through the.

G

Church, oh, please go ahead question. Thank you. Mr. chairman.

J

So, with your with respect to your comments on the per square meter charge.

A

Being higher for one for the cafe versus the into this place, you don't see a.

J

Distinction between the two and, if, if not, are you saying that the lower fee.

A

Should apply to both that's correct, a meter if, if, in fact, real estate.

N

Division did an appraisal of what their valuation is and we're setting at at 18.

N

Percent of market value or whatever appraisal, is out there an appraisal.

N

Doesn't distinguish between the uses they're both permitted under the.

N

Existing zoning, a meter on bloor street, is the same two doors down.

N

But whatever the you says, in fact you know the price of vegetables. If you see.

N

Them today they do have a very good business out there. It's not related to.

N

That liquor license has cost extra money agreed, but I think, within the context of.

A

A use being permitted and another use being permitted. There is the also the.

A

Distinction of of density, for example, if someone were to get more density for.

A

Whatever reason, because the use is allowed to get more density, would you.

A

Not see that then the charge might be appropriate because I see that the uses.

A

Being different from a density point of view, that is to say from the from what.

A

It offers to the to the consumer and the the nature of the business that someone.

A

Carries on by virtue of carrying on a cafe, as opposed.

I

Display so cafe certainly aren't here round the way many of the greengrocers.

N

Are out there that you see out there and they put it out and again I see it.

N

Simply as a real estate exercise same zoning, you know today it's a restaurant.

N

Tomorrow, it might be a greengrocer and there was a different fee applied to.

N

That square meter and, and that just doesn't that just doesn't add up it's.

N

Just not rational in our way, and I would recommend if, in fact, the real estate.

N

Division has come up with a 62 meter per meter fee that that need a permit if he.

N

Should apply to all the users that use up a meter, I guess we're disagreeing on technicalities yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

G

Guys for the georgia any other questions, if not, I do have.

G

Questions- and you were talking about the level of disparity between the market.

G

Value relates to application fees and my permit fees, and especially in the.

G

Downtown corner the central area, can you be a little more specific about that.

G

Please yeah, I'm not. I understand the distinctions I understand very clearly.

N

That the suburban or out of part of sort of out of the downtown area that there.

N

Is value of the land is significantly different? I wasn't distinguishing.

N

Between the between the 88 and 44 mr. chairman, what I was where the.

N

Distinction is that in both zones, far as I'm concerned and it's the the same.

N

Conversation I had with council there digiorgio just now is that if, in fact,.

N

It's a square meter and it's based on real estate valuation that your real.

N

Estate division brought forward to you that all square meters, whether it's for.

N

A restaurant for a green grocer or anybody else, that's out there should be.

N

60 to 63, if we can justify a sixty two sixty three rate for a green grocer, then.

N

The same thing should apply for a restaurant. Quite frankly, I think it's.

N

Discriminatory against restaurants, we don't do anything different anything.

N

Beyond the zoning bylaw, in fact, our fees for applications are higher than that.

N

And we have additional costs that are associated with that, whether it's the.

N

Liquor, licensing or anybody else- that's out there. So, let's.

N

Not be discriminatory on the fact that, because it's a restaurant, we're gonna.

N

Charge you more per square meter, two doors down for where we're actually.

N

Charging you for a green grocer and, like I said it's, not the ability to generate.

N

More revenue believe me: there is some good money in vegetables out there. So.

G

The same dish will be a lot more in green vegetables that your similar will.

G

Apply to the report calls for two zones, the central zone and the other so on. I.

N

Can understand that rationale? Mr. chairman, that, yes, the ability to.

N

Generate business, the privilege of doing business in the inner city, where our.

N

Densities, are there are volume of people walking by the potential for customers.

N

Is significantly greater in the inner zone in the other zone so that.

N

Distinction, I can understand the rationale so the message from the front.

G

Area on behalf of all the bia is is that the rates are too high and they'll.

G

Scream discriminatory in relation to the restaurant, I would I would further.

N

Suggest, mr. chair, if I can that, in fact, the message from tabia is that the city.

N

Should be paying us for animating the space that is additional space on the.

N

Streets, we're taking space that is really unused space that tumbleweeds.

N

Gathering garbage gathers in that we sweep up etc every day that, in fact, by.

N

Us animating and adding to the lifestyle and the culture of the city that there.

N

Should be no fees for patios to be to be put out there in front of restaurants to.

N

Help animate the city's neighborhoods my next question: it's with them year-round.

G

Year-Round enclosures and that's very popular in that's. Why europe, in other.

G

North american cities, as well like new york, chicago moonchild, vancouver's, just.

G

To name a few and you've been on st. clair, where we.

G

Have a number of paas, so there is a tremendous have.

G

To create the year-round enclosures within residential languages that are.

G

Not compromising the integrity of accessibility or walkability in any way.

G

What's your in your take in terms of the sentiments from the local bia is, as it.

G

Relates to move ahead with us, yeah we're absolutely and in support of that.

N

Mr. chairman, we're supportive of any opportunity for businesses to help.

N

Animate to extend to their season, etc. I believe that the report contemplates.

N

Exactly the same thing, meaning obviously the building code.

N

Requirements that may be associated with that, so certainly from what I've been.

N

Hearing from a number of the bia is, and some property owners who have languages.

N

If they can accommodate a year-round opportunity that we're definitely in.

N

Support of that, thank you thanks. So much any other questions. Yes,.

G

We have questions robin. Thank you. I'm just there's some little bits and pieces.

D

That I don't really see in the report, I'm wondering if you have some more.

D

Information on this, so do you know, do you know anything about the number of.

D

Patios that are not currently complying with the current clearway requirements.

N

I believe that the staff can obviously answer that, once you get your chance.

N

With the staff, I understand that there is a number I don't know offhand. I.

N

Haven't seen the final tally on that? That was one of the things that we asked.

N

Staff, when this item was here at the last time, to actually go out and see.

N

What the non-compliance is, it's not only the non-compliance of the clear ways, but.

N

It's also the fact that there's a number of patios out there across the city.

N

Whether they're nbi is or not in be is that that don't even have permits or.

N

Applications for tea, so we really didn't know. What's out there.

N

So, bringing that in line is an important thing counselor, I think we'll all agree.

N

That we want to comply, we want to work within the bylaws or the guidelines, but.

N

I haven't got a clear number for you, I'm sorry, I'm sure snow has done that. It's.

D

Not really a fair question, I was just curious if you happen to no, so what I.

D

Think what you're saying is some aren't even paying or even registered I'll say.

D

I'll use up and then you don't we, nobody seems to really know how many are not.

D

Complying with the current clue worries. How many do you think would be how many.

D

What number of businesses would be impacted by that? The two point, one meter.

D

Two point: one to the two point: five meter.

D

Clear ways: do you have an ear required right? I would expect that about a third.

N

I believe would be would be impacted in one way or another and I guess a.

N

Significant number of those could be accommodated with the allocation. I.

N

Understand that there's funds allocated to assist some of them might be as.

N

Simple as moving a bench or a bike ring that may render them non-compliant so by.

N

Simply moving that in an accommodation in this report has been made to do that.

N

That could help us out how many you're, truly in violation without accommodation,.

N

Again, I don't have that number, but I I speak to the grandfathering. The.

N

Assistance because of the leases that these folks are in, we truly do need to.

N

Be gentle and somebody said we were very a white glove approach to it.

N

These are livelihoods of businesspeople, contributors, taxpayers that are being.

N

Affected over over this thing, so 2025 is the provincial deadline for compliance.

N

And clearly, this report moves to that so having that ability to try to.

N

Accommodate that 2025 having the ability to work with staff and the city to.

N

Accommodate and try to bring us into compliance.

N

Maybe it's the ability to move a part of your patio over to your neighbor, which.

N

Is accommodated in this if you're next to a bank- and there is space- that's not.

N

Used where you can actually get permission from them, you could maybe relocate a couple of seats and stretch your patio in front of one of your.

N

Existing neighbor based their compliance, so so I think the.

N

Ability to move we've worked like I said. I think we've made some inroads in this.

N

It's been seven years and and we've gone over there, but what we can't remember is.

N

That businesses have commitments, they went into this thing in good faith. They.

N

Entered into leases, when you go out and you look at the business, you see 60.

N

Patio seats you count as a small business on how many dollars each one of.

N

Those generates and you put that into the calculation of what you're gonna pay.

N

For the premises and in midstream for some of these guys in terms of leases,.

N

Etc, to change that could have a significant impact on livelihoods of any.

N

Of our small businesses, are you finding small business, I'm hearing this all the.

D

Time on yonge street is struggling small business I haven't shared through both.

N

Of you guys, our chairs, small business is struggling out there.

N

There was no question: look we've gone through the red tape task force that the.

N

Mayor and and the the premier, not the premier, the minister of economic.

N

Development to reduce reduce the the red tape tasks that are out there. You know.

N

It takes 20 applications with somebody to open up a restaurant in the city.

N

We've reduced that we've just bumped this up. Another way by doing a number of.

N

These things, the garbage fees which was before executive a few days ago, is.

N

Another administrator for you, where we get two hundred and seventy five dollars.

N

It just seems that small business is being piled on right at the moment with.

N

All due respect with fees, I mean charges at a time when we're challenged by big.

N

Box when we're challenged by the malls, we're we're challenged by online.

N

Shopping, etc. The restaurants are the last bastion out there that you know you.

N

Can order your food, but you can't eat your phone, so those are the nay those.

N

Are the businesses that are actually animating our neighborhoods? Those are.

N

The businesses that are taking up the vacancies of our traditional retail, it's.

N

The gastronomy industry, and that continues to be an important element in.

N

Building neighborhoods and their city- and we just ask you to be considerate.

N

We're almost there thank you having us by cancer davis and.

G

Okay, thank you. Good morning, you probably heard my questions.

B

Previously and I'm going to ask the same ones right now, there are not only those.

B

That don't have permits, although I don't know that there are many that don't have.

B

Permits mls has been able to, I think, mostly capture those, but there there are.

B

Many that have very different clearway requirements or have achieved a huge.

B

Range of differences in terms of their clear ways in front of their their.

B

Buildings and right now, if we were to grandparent it would be very unfair for.

B

Many people who are new are those that were in compliance. How do you deal with.

B

The fairness question is that our reason being one of our bis recently, there was.

B

Clearly a discussion of this- and there was concern about the lack of fairness.

B

Of unequal enforcement of the previous clearway requirements, how do you deal.

B

With the fairness question, well, I think you're dealing with it with this report.

N

I think that's exactly what's what's being brought before you to moving.

N

Forward have some significant consistency as as.

N

Well, you're phasing in you're trying to bring people in you're being fair with with putting dollars towards accommodating.

N

Those that are there, but I would hate to think that, for the sake of a patio being.

N

One point: nine two meters of clear way for the sake of those two millimeters.

N

Five inches that we would shut down a patio that nobody's talking about.

B

Shutting down! Well, that's what the fairness is okay, so I have a very good.

B

Example, where an order was issued for them to to make it smaller, because they.

B

Built it wider and they built a platform, and they shouldn't have built a platform.

B

Because they had a five percent greater than five percent grade.

B

And then they didn't and fact their neighbor built another one and there are.

B

Others on the street that went in that did not meet the 2.1 clearway and now we.

B

Have a situation where there just are: how do you grandparent, you don't know a.

N

Baile is only as good as its enforcement. If you're telling me that these people.

N

Didn't have a permit or an application right vote and build these dentist city.

N

Has every right under its bylaws to deal with those issues if, in fact, the city.

N

Issued a permit and they weren't in compliance, because the city gave alex.

N

Ability then I can't I can't deal with that, but if somebody is building stuff.

N

Illegally, I've had a pleasure of seven serving seven and a half years of the.

N

Committee of adjustments in etobicoke and we've had variances, etc, where people.

N

Build stuff ii illegally and I have voted to have that structure removed so.

B

What, if, if it required a foot taken off the patio to come into compliance.

B

Why, wouldn't we ask for that? You potentially could, but is there an.

N

Alternative is there a better method? Does it have to be a foot? How does that.

N

Impact did they lose a whole row of tables etcetera. So so I think the.

N

Accommodation- I think that's in here, and I truly believe that that the appeal.

N

Provisions that are embedded in this first with licensing and subsequently.

N

With community council could accommodate that could deal with, that does it have.

N

To be a foot, should it be more than a foot? Could six inches suffice and still.

N

Provide a clearer way is it on a major arterial. There is around the side tree. I.

N

Think there are a number of elements that are at play here, that that the.

N

Appeals provision, if we don't feel the bylaw has touched on him or a good way.

N

To go through, okay, thank you is thank you mr. cooper. Thank you.

G

The next debutante is sara klemme here, followed by amanda brooke eye counselors.

P

How are you please good? Thank you to be or not to be. That is not the question to.

P

Listen to accessibility advocates or to listen to businesses who want affordable.

P

Fees and space on the sidewalk is also not the question. The important question.

P

Is how to accommodate everyone's needs? As a mother who has struggled with.

P

Crowded sidewalks, when I had a stroller and now worries when I'm navigating.

P

Narrow sidewalks, amongst giant garbage bins. I understand that there can be no.

P

Denying the basic need of these accessibility advocates for unfettered.

P

Pathways on the sidewalk, there are ways to meet the needs of everyone involved.

P

In this debate, so I will speak to my own the way I've talked about how I struggle.

P

But I also am a barrier sometimes to people. I bicycle and I like to bicycle. I.

P

Like to park my bike in front of the store that I'm going into, but I now.

P

Realize this impedes the free movement of others. So if you put bicycle parking.

P

On the street, I will happily give up my beloved sidewalk ring and posts to give.

P

Up more space for the clearway, I have one further comment about: the fees.

P

Because I don't believe in high fees for sidewalk patios as a resident in.

P

Particular I'm concerned about the recommendation about the fees for.

P

Parklets in this bylaw, I think a merchant or a bia who is willing to give.

P

Up parking space and put in a parklet should absolutely be encouraged and not.

P

Penalized the fees should not be expected to compensate for the loss in.

P

Parking revenue because a parklet is highly beneficial for the city so to.

P

Conclude, I support the staff in their considered attention to this issue and I.

P

Support the recommendation of a larger clearer way, and I believe we can.

P

Everyone's needs by creating wider sidewalks across the city.

P

Don't make us fight over small pieces of sidewalk pie? Please can we have more pie.

P

Thank you. Thank you. Any questions to the dividend.

G

Thanks so much for representation very inspiring good morning good morning.

G

Please go ahead. My name is amanda o'rourke. I am executive director of 880.

P

Cities we're a nonprofit organization based in toronto, and our organization is.

P

Based on the simple yet powerful idea that, if everything we did in our cities,.

P

Was great for an 8 year old and an 8 year old, then it would be great for.

P

Everyone from zero to over 100, we have advised over 200 cities around the world.

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Over the last 10 years on enhancing mobility and public space as a means to.

P

Creating more vibrant, healthy and equitable cities- I am here as a.

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Supporter of the sidewalks for all campaign and ask the council support the.

P

Staff recommendations of a minimum 2 point 1 metre clear way to ensure people.

P

Of all ages and all abilities can walk or roll on one of our city's. Most.

P

Valuable but underappreciated assets our sidewalks. We are very happy to see that.

P

Staff are making this recommendation. It is a great step to improve the quality.

P

Of life for all torontonians, every trip begins and ends with walking.

P

And everybody walks, the sidewalk is where we see our friends and neighbors.

P

It's where we step out to get that first cup of coffee in the morning. It's where.

P

Our children get pushed in strollers, toddle, walk and eventually run, and they.

P

Are the mainstay of vibrant local business districts? We have to stop.

P

Building our cities, as if everyone was 30 years old and athletic, if we cannot.

P

Provide the basic means for all residents to participate in.

P

As what jane jacobs would say, the ballet of the good city sidewalk, then we cannot.

P

Call ourselves a civilized city. Thank you. Thank you. Questions to the diffident.

G

Thanks so much representation now we'll move to adam rowan go home. I understand.

G

That mr. brown wants to speak a little later, so adam, really kohonen being so.

Q

What I wanted to talk to you guys about is imagine you're walking down the.

Q

Street and you're walking and you see a person you know and some morning you.

Q

Actually give a nod to each other and you smile, and that makes your day now if.

Q

If the sidewalk is too narrow or too busy or too noisy, and even if you see.

Q

Your friend, maybe they're, distracted, and they don't talk to you now to most.

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People that it will have an effect on your day, it may be small, it may be large.

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But it does have an effect on these daily sidewalk interactions. If the.

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Sidewalk is too crowded or too narrow to even take a minute to stop and.

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Acknowledge your neighbor, it's gonna be detrimental to any everybody and there's.

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Been an interesting trend in the last 10 years on sidewalk, which is we need more.

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Space not for what you normally, our people do going back and forth, but.

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We actually need more space for those people that are on the sidewalk that are.

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Like jay robinson right now, cocking up and down at the phone, they actually need.

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They actually need space to actually take. So I'm sometimes because I've been.

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On the side, I noticed people getting typed and stuff and then they get in.

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Throws an attack and they stop walking and they actually caught a little stop.

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So, if there's nowhere for them to move off into the corner for me to get around.

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I can't go on. I can't go on the sidewalk after sidewalk onto the road like.

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Everybody else- and you know sometimes I give them a nudge and they didn't. Oh, you.

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Should have had a battle know what I wouldn't needed to actually get your.

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Attention, because I've been saying excuse me, excuse me- is a damn air force.

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To actually get them out of the way and the other little nuisance on the.

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Sidewalk that I have are the a-frames dahm dahm marketing furniture is.

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Actually seems to wander and when it comes to the condo companies, they seem.

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To work with the same people that breed rabbits because condo and reality signs.

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Are all over the place I'm hoping somewhere in these bylaws.

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They will be looked after, the fees will go up, so they might think about where.

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They actually stick up because they leave them everywhere. In my area, it's.

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Developing more and more- and there are way too many of them.

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And I can't even move some of them because I've started weighing them down.

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So they don't blow we're in the wind. So that's a problem.

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But in my final little time I just want to say quickly because this is gonna be.

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At an experiment, I want to put a motion that says if, for some reason, a patio a.

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New patio putting under these experiments, don't work so there's over.

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One year and six months trial that if at the patio, doesn't work so they cannot be.

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Amended and stuff- and they can argue- we've got infinite right for that space.

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Because if a patio isn't working and it needs a gentle amendment, you should be.

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Able to quickly amend it if it's in the best interest of the community and.

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Toronto. Thank you mr. khurana, thank you and thank you for your meaningful and.

G

Entertaining presentation, thank you. Questions to the dep attend cancer davis.

B

I wondered about the 20% angle. I don't know whether you've seen the graphic.

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That shows that the guidelines will allow for the throughway to move me and.

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Don't think meander is the right word. It will go in and out. 20 percent 20 degrees.

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And I'm wondering what you think about that. Have you seen that in some places.

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At work, some places you even on the sidewalk have to really be on the.

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Joystick and where we make turns and when you're in via totem, you know you.

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Know it's like you, the streetcar damage in turn, g or like.

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Given either bend your hearing grinding and stuff, I bet you make those turns.

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Following wheelchairs and god forbid, the people with a smartphone trouble- and I.

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Really think we in this whole process and in the next few years, I think you.

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Guys really have to just in general analyze how the sidewalks are truly used.

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In your neighborhoods, I think there is this idea and sidewalks. I used the same.

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As they were, 20 40 60 years ago, they're used a lot different now than they used.

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To be so, that's a challenge I want to put out to both works and budgeting and.

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Standard is to work together, use some of the money that's gained from, but to.

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Actually study how sidewalks are actually used. Oh that's very interesting.

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I think I heard someone else say that as well, do we have enough information about.

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Pedestrian volumes how mobility devices are being used, how street furniture and.

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Patios and tree pits and are being used that it's important to understand better.

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Towards a more tailored approach than a standard approach, that's interesting.

B

Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any other questions.

G

Thank you, mr. howe, for your presentation. Please come back.

G

It was amazing, thank you. The next step.

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Attempt is robert istanbul er, followed by an chinese salman only sir good to.

G

Have you here, okay, three minutes, I'm not sure how you.

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Follow the previous speaker, but I'll try now. My name is robert stamboul, I'm from.

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The harvard village resident association- and we have some history with this over.

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Ten years ago we had a project and read reconstructing college street between.

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Bathurst and spadina we held off sidewalk reconstruction to coordinate.

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New sidewalks, with new water mains with new streetcar tracks, one project instead.

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Of three that happens often elsewhere in the city and we've got new trees, and we.

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Got wide sidewalks and better patios, and we did calm at that time and argued for.

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A clearer way we argued for curbside patios. We argued for the ability to.

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Expand into your neighbors space that we come with some experience on this and we.

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Come here to support the sidewalks for all coalition and there asks and and the.

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Staff report: we have some soft suggestions for improvements on the.

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Staff report, but I want to touch on quickly one element that my bia friend.

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Referenced and that was to say that a bylaw is only as good as its enforcement.

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And that the coalition is asked for dedicated staff as there is to make sure.

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That cyclists and psychopaths are properly monitored and enforced. That.

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The that the this by lobbying forces well and some resources be moved towards.

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That to some particular so on the threshold of refusing an application or.

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Renewal, one of the items that specified is compliance with the bylaw and payment.

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Of fees- and that makes sense, but it's silent on other matters- I think it would.

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Be embarrassing for everyone if something was approved or for newell or.

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On first instance, if it was a place with multiple public health violations or.

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Liquor violations or criminal violations, so I think that needs to be expanded to.

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A greater scope of issues that would be assessed. We had the sad circumstance of.

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Someone being killed in a body found in the patio and something that hopefully.

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Never happens again how patio licences are transferred right.

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Now, they're, almost by stealth, unless you find out about them and- and we think.

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That the path the process should be no different than approvals. It's a new.

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Business: it's a new operator could be a completely new business model, whereas in.

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Our neighborhood there was a restaurant with an arts approach and poetry.

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Readings and, and and and and authors in it, it changed to what we feared.

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Potentially was a restaurant that was having so many shots for so many dollars.

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Liquor approach but very different, different business model, but we worked.

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With them and got approved, the the other thing that I would say is in close.

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Restaurants and the year-round restaurants, we would oppose because it's.

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A privatization of property and we enjoy the pause of the off patio season in the.

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Neighborhood neighboring homes to have a little more quiet in the in the in the.

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In the wintertime, lastly, we've engaged with patio applicants and neighbors to.

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Get patios approved our residents association and one of the things we.

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Found helpful is a little shorter time periods, a little stronger prohibitions.

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On amplified noise and entry and exit through the restaurants, rather than.

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Through the side streets, when we being able to do that.

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Neighbors get more relaxed about it and, and it helps applicants get those patios.

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We that suggests in our written material provides for all of that. Thank you for.

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The little adding thank you mr. similar questions. Thank you for representation.

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The acceptance chinese salman alibi, ian brown and gordon brown.

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Nice good morning morning, please go ahead. I'm janis solomon executive.

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Director of the entertainment district business improvement area, I would like.

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To thank the staff that worked on the establishment of the harmonized by law.

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For sidewalk cafes park, lots of marketing displays. This is an item.

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That's been worked on for a number of years and with an immense amount of.

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Effort so I do want to really extend my thanks for all of those involved in this.

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I want to just address before I kind of get into my deputation a couple of.

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Things that have been said in previous step with previous deputies, including.

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Mr. kahuna's comment about doing a city sidewalk study, which I think is a.

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Brilliant idea, because part of this is a study in human behavior, we have what's.

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Called restaurant row in the entertainment district along king street.

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Where we have about 12 continuous patios went after another of small business.

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Operators and we have tiff and the hyatt regency sort of opposite to these.

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Restaurants and patios, and where do all the pedestrians want to walk on the.

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Restaurant road side of the street. So if you just take that as one example of.

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Human behavior is attracted to where the life and the vibrancy is. This is a.

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Really good example to study from the other thing I want to address is.

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Comments about winter takedown, again I'll use restaurant row because some of.

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Them use the patio space to put up decorative trees and lights in the.

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Wintertime that really helps to brighten the street in those sort of.

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Dark winter days, so I want that to be taken under consideration and then the.

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Fees themselves, just to really understand that all of the people in my.

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District that have patios on public realm are all small business operators.

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They've been squeezed to the limit for a number of reasons over the era's on.

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Multiple things that are impacting them from different levels of government and.

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So I really would hope that we can have just a little bit more consultation on.

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On the fee structure before we move forward, I want to also address that I.

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Participate on the aoda small business advisory board and the ocad university.

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Inclusionary design advisory board for small business. They appreciate and.

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Understand a bit of me and ruin on sidewalks because they also understand.

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It supports the life of the street. The real barrier lies in the fact that.

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There's no accountability within the act for the conditions of the streets and.

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Sidewalks themselves, sidewalk unevenness and road buckling, potholes and.

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Deterioration are real obstacles that pose a serious public safety hazard.

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Every day, I'm here today to ask the city to take accountability for the.

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Conditions of the streets and sidewalks and step up and go beyond the act.

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Regular road and sidewalk checks resurfacing needs to become a city.

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Priority accessibility and mobility issues are key concerns that I continue.

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To advocate for, I will also continue to advocate to ensure that businesses do.

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Their best to take measures to introduce accessible premises- and I hope the city.

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Will do their part to ensure we have a safe public realm surface to navigate.

R

Thank you. Thank you. I have questions for you. This remembers.

G

Of council, if not customer leading your first welcome back. Thank you for being.

A

Here my question: I'm gonna, try to make specific to king street my condolences.

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By the way, as I understand that it's like a funeral home right now,.

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On king street, so I think it's gonna get worse just based on this report, because.

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It's suggesting that any one of your your businesses that want to apply for.

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The new licenses will probably have to wait for the sidewalks to get widened.

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Even more- and that means one thing and that means losing parking- expect what.

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You've already lost your parking spaces, I'm sorry the road space right. How do.

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You feel about that, given what's going on right now on king street and.

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Representing all the businesses that seem to think that they may not be in.

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Business in just a few short months, well, I mean there are two points to this.

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Because some of them may end up being out of business by january first and so.

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We're gonna be tracking these vacancies as they come along. I've never had.

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Storefront vacancies until this past year and now I've got several but with.

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That said this king street turns a pilot is posing interesting times because.

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You're correct: we don't have on street parking.

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There are planters that are sort of sort of defining sort of a curb lane space, so.

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We're really looking to see where the next steps of creation of either even is.

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There a potential for even greater patio space in the absence of parking, so all.

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Of this is being looked at in the moment, but to your earlier point: it's um it's a.

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Scary time for a small business, no question, so in your view I've heard it.

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Already a few times with respect to enforcement enforcement being a measure.

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That's necessary. You touched on that a little bit with respect to how the.

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Sidewalk the conditions of the sidewalks: how do we get around that because are we.

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Going to be enforcing the city's neglect on making sure everything is, is.

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Even or do you think that that's going to go down a different path and that's.

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Gonna be that the businesses are gonna have to be stuck with the cost of of.

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Evening out even the sidewalks, I think, there's um some creative.

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Thinking that needs to go along with what I'm talking about here in my area.

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There is never a shortage of construction hoarding taking up the.

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Sidewalk and the pedestrian is then moved into the curb lane and I have.

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Never seen a situation where you've made the developer pay to resurface that curb.

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Lane, before we're stuck in it for three years or five years, depending on the.

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Development, so for me that's just one example: the bike lanes. We are promised a.

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Little more thoughtfulness around the bike lanes we're the ones that put our.

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Planters to make it safer for the cyclists to move along richmond and.

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Adelaide and simcoe street as more of a barrier between the cars again, no road.

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Resurfacing that took place- and I see the cyclists every day on adelaide just.

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You know with their knuckles tied on their on their handlebars, because it.

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Looks like a very precarious street to be moving along so sidewalks. I could.

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Take people on a walk and show you the crumbling infrastructure I'll actually.

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Be down there very soon, because I'm gonna play an active part on on king.

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Street. Probably the only one down there who knows what I'll do, but but at the.

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End of the day, I take you on a tour. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions.

D

Just a quick one up, it's really not on topic, but on yonge street I represent.

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Two by b, ias that are very active and non-stop concerns about taxes and rents.

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And anyway, on and on, but I'm seeing tons of tons of doors closed and it's very.

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Unsettling and I talked to the ones that are still open, they're unnerved, like they're just shaking. So what are you seeing happening.

D

On king street, I was just curious what you were alluded to at the well, if we're.

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Talking just about the general generally, yes, small business, yes, our.

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Property values are soaring, small businesses are often taking up the bulk.

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Of the operational costs of the actual building that they're in so between.

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Energy costs, like the hydro rates, the taxes, all of that just the operational.

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Costs that go into operating a restaurant that that keep increasing and.

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Then you bring in a minimum wage increase in a dramatic way in a short.

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Period of time- and the key thing for me is my businesses already pay $15 plus.

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It's a cascade up effect. You don't start at minimum wage at fourteen fifteen.

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Dollars and then think that you don't have to move the sixteen seventeen.

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Eighteen, nineteen and twenty dollar wages up, so it's a big hit and it's a.

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Tipping point for a lot of them no question. Thank you.

D

Just curious, thank you any other questions. Thank you for representation.

G

In brown, alibi golden brown.

K

All right, thank you good to have you here.

G

Please go ahead. Absolutely have your name, please,.

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Gordon brown, is you have six minutes together? Please go ahead. Thank you.

K

Counselors and stakeholders for allowing me to speak my to give my perspective, I.

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Am the co-chair of the city of toronto accessibility, advisory committee.

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And the chapter president of the alliance for alliance, the alliance for.

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Equality of lying canadians, and as mentioned my name, is ian brown, but you.

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Wouldn't know it when I walk down the street, people see me coming and they say.

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Watch out they call me watch out, and my middle name is careful. Why? Because I smash into patio fences, I.

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Walk into pad these are cafe chairs, bump into trees, trip over a frames and have.

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Even knocked down other pedestrians, so am I a danger to society.

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Should I self impose my own isolation, or should we make our sidewalks more.

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Walkable comfortable safer for pedestrians, I don't drive, I don't bike. I.

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Just walk, I don't even do my exercise. If you ask my husband, I walk to do my.

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Shopping, I walk to my favorite restaurants and patios and I walk to go.

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To work come to meetings such as this, I am here today not to promote sidewalks. I.

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Am here to promote vibrant neighborhoods and healthy communities where businesses.

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Get lots of foot traffic where pedestrians of all abilities and of all.

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Ages, walk about comfortably easily and frequently to their local businesses.

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When my current husband and I walk side by side down the sidewalk, we don't want.

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To block people coming the other way, so we really need a minimum of 2 point. 1.

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Meter walking path and you don't want to see.

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Me winding all over the place. I do that very well already, and sometimes we have.

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To even get the curbside onto the roads to avoid.

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Patio and marketing display obstructions so we're asking for a relatively.

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Straight predictable, clear way- and you don't want me to be harassing patio.

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Patrons with my white cane tapping on their legs, so it is very important to.

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Have a cane detectable demarcation, a fencing of some kind to separate on.

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Observing pedestrians, like myself, free-range children from happy patio.

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Patrons and we've already heard again and again we're not here moving words.

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Around to make the buy locks to look good on paper, we want for it to be.

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Effective to be meaningful for all our communities, so yes, proactive, monitoring.

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And enforcement and finally don't make us wait another eight years to feel.

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Comfortable and safe walking on our fought sidewalks. After all, it is our.

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Sidewalks domed drive pedestrians away from businesses. Don't push us off to the.

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Curb side or even unto the roads we pedestrians are part of this vibrant.

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Toronto neighbourhoods kind indulgence if I could have a full three minutes to.

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Do the remaining presentation that would be very much appreciated. We hadn't quite.

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Foreseen the timing, all right all if you can stick to just one minute over if you.

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Can if you can go okay, thank you so much. I'm gordon brown, also speaking on behalf.

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Of the coalition endeavoring to help toronto with sidewalks for all, since our.

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Startup, just three months ago, short months ago, support has grown to 22.

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Organizations representing hundreds of thousands of toronto nians.

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This includes city bidding building, advocates residents and tennis.

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Association's active transportation advocates and advocates for seniors and.

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Those with disabilities our base includes toronto. Council's accessibility.

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Advisory committee, as well as high profile high membership organizations.

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Such as the cnib toronto seniors forum, carp, walk toronto and the navy cities.

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Which you heard today, it also includes the federation of north toronto,.

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Residents, associations, that represents 30 residents, associations from north.

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York and north toronto and the federation of metro tennis associations.

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The largest such organization in canada- these are all your constituents, we're.

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Happy to be here to provide qualified support for the bylaws crowded.

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Obstructed disjointed sidewalks are uncomfortable for all users and as if.

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You're you've heard today it's of a particular concern for those who have.

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Balanced vision, mobility, cognitive impairments and the young and the old.

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The bylaws will correct these accessibility problems where they exist.

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Now and they'll prevent them from happening in areas of the city where.

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Patios are now expanding our submission documents. Everything we like about the.

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Bylaws and they go a long way towards our vision of having wide, essentially.

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Straight clear, accessible, sidewalks and soon and with our five requests, we.

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Believe these bylaws will be in toronto, closer to the commitment of being a.

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Barrier-Free city, we agree with our walk toronto supporters. The safe mobility is.

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A right, the corollary, is that business use of public space is a privilege, but.

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From our broad base of rests associations, we have heard loud and.

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Clear that they believe that the creative new patio options and clearway.

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Requirements will deliver the accessibility and vibrancy they want in.

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Their main streets in closing torontonians rely on counsel to.

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Provide many things, but certainly for infrastructure projects that afford safe.

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Efficient movement through the city, the king street pilot project and blue.

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Street bike lanes are excellent examples with our coalition's requested.

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Improvements, we firmly believe these bylaws will significantly improve.

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Pedestrian safety and comfort on toronto sidewalks. We therefore ask you to please.

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Strongly some more support these bylaws with our requested amendments. Thank you.

A

Very much for your time are there. Any questions from visiting councillors are.

O

There questions from members of the committee, thank you for speaking to us.

O

Thank you. The next speaker is.

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Matt o aguilar is matt. Oh wonderful, thank you.

O

Welcome motto: you have three minutes to speak to me.

L

Thank you very much and good morning, everyone.

L

Three minutes. I am a talker. My name is.

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Matt o aguilar, a member of the alliance for equality of.

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Blind canadians under, of course, ian brown, our president and, of course, of our.

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Of my own organization, the I believe I can see I am legally blind and a very.

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Active white cane user and I use and travel around many different parts of.

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The city I live in a tropical, but my best night's activities are mostly here.

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In toronto, in downtown area, with my meetings and other events, I am glad that.

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A two point: one meter minimum has been recommended for the pedestrians clear.

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Way- and I'm thank you so much for this stuff for doing that. However, there is.

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One suggestion that concerns me: it has the no barriers at all between the two.

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Point one meter walkway, where some customers would set in front of cafe and.

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Restaurants, the blind and partially sighted peters trends tend to trail.

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Along walk fences or cared or came detectable demarcation without the so.

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Called barriers we can easily walk into marketing, displays, cafe areas and even.

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They hit with our white cane some customers eating on the period. One could.

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Very well imagine how were pleasant. This would be for both the bps.

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Pedestrians and the cafe patrons it would be quite easy to accidentally walk.

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Into tables chairs and patrons without a protected fence.

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It is mandatory that these areas be detectable by the white cane in order to.

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Travel around instead of it through tables, chairs and patrons the lack of.

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Clear separation, therefore, is not just annoying, but poses a danger for both.

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Parties concerned the call for new bylaws on outdoor setting is loud and.

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Clear it should not only be heard, but must be listened to and acted upon. We.

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The vulnerable must but not wait for years to have the bylaws enact and just.

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By waiting for eight years, the time is now but our cold. It's not end. There.

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Vilas must be strictly enforced and complied with bylaws without enforcement.

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Become useless and futile marta may ask you that you wrap up. May I ask that you.

O

Wrap up put up, may I ask that you wrap up please. The three minutes has passed.

L

Oh, can I just cut to you? Yes, please, okay, they are doomed to fail.

L

We want our councillors, general managers and city staff to help us move this.

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Important initiatives ahead for us. We trust you you to see the practicality.

L

And safety of our request, thank you so much. Thank you. Are there any questions.

O

From visiting councillors, are there any questions from members of the committee.

O

No thank you. Thank you so much. Our next speaker is kathy mcdonald, good.

P

Morning, welcome kathy mcdonald, I'm here today, representing both the federation.

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Of north toronto residents, associations, which I'm co-chair and the deer park.

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Residents group, which I'm past president and president john plumb adore, was.

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Unable to attend, there are letters from both associations, so I'd really like to.

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Commend the staff on a very thoughtful process and reported certainly a.

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Complicated issue and very important for our city, as gord brown indicated, we.

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Support sidewalks for all, and also it's additional recommendations. We agree that.

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The context is really important for considering sidewalk, cafes and other.

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Such facilities, particularly because the city is intensifying so much, it seems.

P

Strange that the city is divided into the downtown and the rest of the city.

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Where areas like yonge and eglinton, all along yonge street are very heavily.

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Heavily used pedestrian areas and where the clear ways are really important.

P

At and yonge and eglinton and young and st. clair, where I live.

P

We're seeing development applications with widened sidewalks as a requirement.

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Because the existing sidewalks are too small, so we need to ensure that the.

P

Sidewalk woods are appropriate and that the cafes don't take over. That is how to.

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Deal with these contextual issues, we really support the idea of having.

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Notices posted on the site, so people using the street can see where the.

P

Sidewalk cafes are proposed and also where the applications for amplified.

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Noise are are made so that people along the street can be able to comment, and I.

P

Assume councillors are notified of all of these applications as well.

P

A new kind of concern for sidewalk users to bring.

P

Your attention is on a bit over. The time is the above grade: utility installations.

P

That are being dealt with a council and that they can really interfere with.

P

Clear ways, thank you very much. Are there any questions from visiting councillors.

O

Questions from the committee councillor robinson, thank you, so just hi.

D

You're right that report is making its way through councils slowly. I guess.

D

Just your concerns are those big utility big, I want to say, ugly utility boxes. The.

D

Sidewalks right yes, and so their placement is kind of willy-nilly or well.

D

It affects the other side walkway, because they're often like about four.

P

Feet wide three feet high and they stick out about this much and I.

P

Guess in new developments we want to see them if they have to be they're built.

P

Into the new buildings, and so their obstructions, as well as their unsightly.

D

And then also know I mean I think I mean in this context today. It's the.

P

Obstruction, that's it's a safety accessibility issue as well as unsightly.

D

And did you have any ideas like genuine ideas about how you address that, like.

D

How you, what the, what, how you fix that on a long-term basis? Well, I think, on a.

P

Long-Term basis, we have to understand why they're suddenly appearing and- and I.

P

Understand and bridges saying that they're dangerous below grade or below.

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Ground where they used to be, but there look, you need to look at other locations.

P

And buildings like at the backs or built into buildings, are on the flanking.

P

Streets where they won't interfere so much with pedestrian traffic.

D

Do you recall why they said it was dangerous below we have? We have no.

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Information and have been asking for it, I mean what what is more dangerous below.

P

Grade or above grade and the above grade installations are now getting these big.

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Ballers around them, so the installation area becomes huge because there, a safety.

P

Hazard at great so did they say, did they happen to say it was a labor issue.

D

Or it was inclement weather they the intensifying storm. So I don't. I don't.

D

Know you don't know, we've been asking and we don't know you're not getting.

D

Clear: it's not really understanding the problem. Okay, I was just actually.

D

Interested curious, thank you for that. Thank you. Are there any questions from.

O

Other committee members, seeing none thank you very much for speaking to us.

O

The next speaker I have is emily. Degler is emily here, excellent.

O

Hi everybody hi monique a moment, I'm just gonna, get.

T

My boys up here sorry guys I'll, be one minute yeah. Just let me know when you're.

O

Ready to go okay, everybody, um I'm sorry for taking a moment, I'm trying to get my.

T

Photo album up that will show you some of the images of what people with.

T

Disabilities go through on a daily basis in toronto, and I can get my lovely.

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Friend, here from av who's helped me numerous times, because he's amazing.

J

Some of them are full-size on device, so okay, so this is my first time doing this.

T

Stuff being visually impaired, I can't really see what's up so this is a.

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Picture of construction on the sidewalk and it shows the back of an accessible.

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Button so every so often I'm gonna go like that and show you more pictures.

T

This is the copeland's keys deli, with the stop.

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Ramp z, yeah one of the first ones on college street, which I love. This is a.

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Pole in the middle of a curb cut so I'll leave this one up from him just to.

T

Illustrate some of the issues, I'm a person with multiple displays. I come.

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From this from many different ways, I'm both legally blind, I'm in a wheelchair.

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And I'm hearing impaired, I don't carry a white came because I've broken too many.

T

Of them on broken sidewalks and curb cuts that barely exist, such as when's up.

T

Along bay street, the two words I have the most problems with with sidewalk.

T

Cafes and a-frame signs and places putting furniture outside of their.

T

Premises are on king street, queen street, we're 27 or 28, and the above and there's.

T

Just some of it now I want to highlight, I think, I'm poking the right one. Yes,.

T

This one in particular this is what I worry about.

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When cafes and restaurants want to put up tables at front of their premises,.

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This is what I'm concerned about and for my fellow visually impaired friends, I.

T

Will digress? It is a table with a single chair sitting directly in front of the.

T

Wheelchair accessibility button on the front of a restaurant on bay street just.

T

Above bloor, this restaurant is also well known for discriminate against visually.

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Impaired and wheelchair users who use service dogs or guide dogs, I want to say.

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Hello to my counselor is here, but especially to the people of disabilities.

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That have come here today, and it would be really great if they'd come more.

T

Often I'm one of the regulars around here and I will admit, but I digress my.

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City council, our friends here, not one of you who have disabilities, the attitude.

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Towards accessibility is show well at city hall, because imagine if a.

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Councillor was elected with a disability such as a new wheelchair or blind. How.

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Accessible is council chambers how accessible is the back room of council.

T

Chambers that same attitude brought to the attitude about sidewalks.

T

And cafes being accessible, it has been said that only 10% of non chained, owned.

T

Restaurants are wheelchair accessible, but of that 10%. How many truly try of.

T

That 10% only 2% have wheelchair, accessible, washrooms or large print.

T

Menus mister olivia be nice if you and if you listened. Thank you. I appreciate.

T

You very much but cell phones as a person with multiple disabilities. I.

T

Can't access most patios and cafes and restaurants. This is what the bia s won't.

T

Tell you danforth king street entertainment.

T

District, all these different areas- yonge street bay street. They have all these.

T

Pretty patios and cafes they're not accessible. One of them is a cafe that.

T

You guys tend to go to a lot just south of here. I won't mention the name. It's on.

T

Your constraint, urls, I mentioned it not accessible, would be great if they were.

T

Small businesses complain, they don't get business. How many of them have done when.

T

Zane caplansky day and put in ramp now. This is when he's closed, so his stopgap.

T

Ramp is enough, but normally it's right there. His patio is right here.

T

Beautifully accessible one of the first on college street, it be accessible. This.

T

Is right near york street along the sidewalk on queen, and you notice on your.

T

Left how narrow that space is between the fence of the law school and the.

T

Sidewalk and then you've got bus stops and you got garbage cans.

T

That's not even showing it university of queen. Sorry, I'm dealing with the last.

T

Effects of pneumonia, so that's showing you how narrow that is now you imagine.

T

That narrowness, cafes and sidewalks, where they want to have patios, please.

T

Don't become halifax where they allow these patio bump-outs.

T

And have no regard concerning accessibility for the blind visually.

T

Impaired of people in wheelchairs here goes. My there we go. This is showing one of the other problems with sidewalks need. We.

T

Mention that's a city track, there's another view of it. Excuse the fingers.

T

This is a good view about. We start, I think it's far, but I don't remember, but.

T

Where it's pretty clear bus stop garbage kid. Oh show you one thing: this is what I.

T

Believe in accessibility, I love food trucks because see the door out on the.

T

Side of the food truck near the drivers area, they come down there to serve.

T

People with disabilities they're more than willing to any food truck just.

T

About I didn't go back to this picture from it see that garbage can it has a.

T

Foot pedal not excessive people with disabilities, if you're visually impaired.

T

You can't tell what to put your recycling, your cans, your newspapers, your.

T

Braille books, whatever so it'd, be really great. If toronto would have a better.

T

View of accessibility- this is st. clair avenue last winter.

T

It took nine calls to the city, councilor and the city of toronto, three one one.

T

Three one one wouldn't listen to me to get that cleared. That's a giant pile of.

T

Ice and crap by the snowplows on the curb kay so it'd be wonderful. Now our.

T

Poor are almost population, we need more shelter, beds, wow, so sidewalks and.

G

Restaurants need to worry. This is up in. Thank you. Thank you. Emily we get. I think.

G

The message end, you had double the time. Thank you, emily any questions today, a.

G

Diffident is these remembers consul davis? Please go ahead that is inside my.

T

Way, transit my way, I call it the bus way system their transit way. That's one of.

T

Their stations with totally weather resistant, urban, braille style detection.

T

Material there's a member on the accessibility committee here in toronto.

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Who has worked with miss sog on this mr. darrin hill.

T

That's that's great warning tactile, it's just a little piece of it. So is this.

B

Something we could do on a sidewalk for ya, same identification, yep.

B

Outside yep, okay, you know that the proposal is to allow for a 20 degree.

B

Difference between two patios do you have any thoughts on on that and how we.

B

Might address that absolutely I have huge ideas and the biggest one is that.

T

It's got to be both accessible for wheelchair users and for people with.

T

Canes and guide dogs, one of the biggest problems, is along king street near.

T

Between spadina and university, some of those patios make that sidewalks so.

T

Narrow, I can't get by absolutely that in the morning I can't get by, and people.

T

With wheelchairs, we have a heck of time. I mean you guys, went after signs, but we.

T

Showed you there was three wheelchairs between the edge of the sidewalk and signs is ramp. You know the mail boxes weren't even clearly in the way york.

T

Street is a quarter of that 20% between patios, you go along king street. There's.

T

Steps up on two patios: we can't get into patios. These restaurants complain.

T

They're losing business along king street well, it'd be nice and they were actually wheelchair, accessible. Scarborough and etobicoke. Have it right.

T

I can get around there: fine, sidewalks and patios here in downtown toronto.

T

Toronto area ward's 2728, forget about it. Okay, thank you. Emily.

B

Those are good pictures. Thank you is that I'm sure robinson hi, I just I also.

D

Enjoyed your photos, stranger, I yeah good to see you too so the trucks on the.

D

Sidewalks, that has been a recurring theme in the young eglinton area and a.

D

Number of my constituents have sent in very similar photos to that and one.

D

Gentleman actually was almost hit by the truck that was parked on the sidewalk. So.

D

Have you seen that a lot and what what areas of the city are you.

D

Seeing that is it associated to development, I guess or any thoughts.

D

Around that that truck in particular was that progress and milder where I used to.

T

Live a sort of progress in shepard in your area, young eglinton square have.

T

Stairs going down with no tactile warnings with no color adjuster, with no.

T

High contrast, warnings, I've I've left my front left caster, because young eglinton.

T

Square have the dip of the stairs with no warning. Okay, that's good! It's not.

D

That's actually karmic, that's right, yeah, dangerous ice, but so you've seen a lot.

D

Of these trucks on my sidewalks, yes, wow has tons of condos going up. We've got.

T

Filming incredible amount of filming we've got the christmas market and no.

T

One gives a flying hoop that there's 60 people in that area that have that have.

T

Disabilities, in probably 40 or 550 of them have wheelchair users. Okay, so you.

D

Think it's you think it's a it's associated with development, condo.

D

Development that the trucks- it's not just these got kind of buildings being.

T

Built, I'm sorry for interrupting jake. It's okay! We've got condo development on.

T

Lower river we've got people using our street front street and lower river as an expressway. We've got that we've got trucks for the.

T

Condo buildings, not watching where they're going we've had four of our wheelchair users in my area hit in two years and that's worth 28, that's pan am.

T

Housing district, that's the distillery. My fear is with these trucks that you.

T

Phrase the point: that is a really huge sore point for me: these trucks they.

T

Don't look where they're going? They have no concern for people like us. Well,.

D

They're, so big, yes, I agree. Okay, thank you.

G

Any other questions, if not thank you, a many representation. Thank you.

G

And the last dep attend for today is when they approach we'll hear emily just serve one few seconds good morning. Everyone.

R

My name is wendy porch, I'm a member of the toronto accessibility, advisory.

R

Committee and I'm the chair of the employment working group, I'm also a.

R

Person with a disability, the accessibility advisory committee has.

R

Been discussing this issue for quite some time, but only in terms of one set.

R

Of guidelines, at a time when we were discussing the guidelines related to the.

R

Sidewalk cafes, it became clear that there were numerous things that actually.

R

Impact on the ability of people with disabilities to get around the cafe's.

R

Are one thing: snow clearance is another, the sandwich board signs are another and.

R

We're vegetables and other goods go on, the sidewalk is another, and none of.

R

These bylaws and related guidelines speak clearly to each other or to the.

R

Need for continuous, unobstructed, clear way, I can tell you people with.

R

Disabilities will not be able to traverse the sidewalks in an acceptable.

R

Manner without a clear way, minimum of two point: one meters, I've said it before.

R

And I'll say it again: quite simply: if people with disabilities cannot get down.

R

The sidewalk they cannot live, they cannot participate in the community, they.

R

Cannot shop or spend money or take their kids to daycare? I want to point out that.

R

Our federal government is currently recognizing the need for better.

R

Inclusion of people with disabilities, they are now engaged in the drafting of.

R

Legislation aimed at the inclusion of people with disabilities in canada at.

R

The same time are we really talking about creating sidewalks that people.

R

With disabilities can't safely navigate, minister quattro and minister hare are.

R

Federal ministers of persons with disabilities are both committed, in particular to improving the employment rates of people with disabilities with.

R

An unemployment rate of nearly one and two, but we are now literally still.

R

Talking about erecting barriers and getting down the street will people with.

R

Disabilities be able to get into work if these national improvements and.

R

Attitudes to hiring people with disabilities be achieved if they.

R

Cannot get down the sidewalk people with disabilities are also taxpayers. I am a.

R

Taxpayer and I am saddened that the discussion in 2017 of erecting sidewalks.

R

That do not adequately provide space for people with disabilities as a mom with a.

R

Disability I've had to push my my kiddo, my son around the city, and I can tell.

R

You that the safety of my child and of other people's children will be.

R

Compromised if we do not ensure an unobstructed, clear way of at least two.

R

Point one meters, so I ask you to consider this question and I actually.

R

Think this is a fundamentally critical question. Do you actually support the.

R

Inclusion of people with disabilities in your community, if so, support the minimum.

R

Clearway. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. If you do, because these are your sisters.

R

Your brother's, your mothers, your fathers, your kids, your kids, friends, if you do.

R

Show support for the minimum clear way of 2.1 meters and show toronto that.

R

People with disabilities count and that inclusion is not just something that we.

R

Pay lip service to. Thank you. Thank you. Miss ponch.

G

Thank you, questions to the adept end, thanks so much representation. Okay, we.

G

Are done with the party presentations now we move to questions to staff.

G

Is questions to staff these three members.

G

Councillor davis, thank you. I wanted to ask first of all about the 20 degree.

B

Variation to the pedestrian clearway in the graphic that's contained here, it.

B

Looks well first of all, where did the 20 percent come from? How did you come up.

B

With 20 percent who you chair, the staff did a significant amount of best.

C

Practices review to identify by what might be an acceptable and.

C

Gradual shift in the sidewalk and we modeled the 20% twenty degrees. Excuse me.

C

After both new york city and in seattle, so it looks good on a highlighted graph.

B

But if you are visually impaired, how do you know that there is a going to be a.

B

20 degree adjustment in the thruway through you, the white cane detectable.

C

Railings that would need to be at both sidewalk cafes, I'm looking at the same.

C

Diagram that you're looking at in the report, it would be a it would. You would.

C

You'd be able to use the cane detect ability of the fencing and the planters.

C

And I think, depending on the location that 20 degree incline, could also have.

C

Some kind of white cane detect ability as well all right. That's what I wanted.

B

To ask if there was not it's not ending, I'm sorry counselor. It's not indicated.

C

In the image, but you could certainly chamfer the fence to be able to indicate.

C

That that angle, of course, I'm looking for it at the moment, I can't find it.

B

It's in the appendix as well, but where it starts here it is so it's in the.

B

Report as well, it shows there are these.

B

There's a and b on these lines they verdict at the where the vertical lines.

B

Are gonna be, madam chair? Madam I'm sorry, mister chair, maybe put it on the screen.

J

That's what I was gonna ask. Yes, that would be very helpful if they could put.

J

That diagram on on the screen, which page is it counsel to bear maker, is we are.

G

Going to do have you have a sketch there. Oh great, thank.

G

You, oh there. It is.

B

Okay, yes, so the b, if you look at where b is it looks like it goes right down into.

B

Where the the pavers are along the edge of the curb, do we really want people to.

B

Be going that far too close to the curb through you, we, we use the middle of the.

C

Clearway as the typical path, I also counselor to your to your earlier.

C

Question the other work that we did to arrive at that 20 degrees was we.

C

Reviewed and appeals from that were approved by community councils, where the.

C

Change in path was approximately 20 degrees. Thank you. That was that last.

G

Question, oh any other questions, no questions.

G

Answered kristyn wong-tam. Yes, thank you very much mr. chair. I just want to have.

S

A better understanding regarding the aoda requirements that are applied.

S

Across ontario, the differentiation of application that you're taking here in.

S

The city, can you explain that 44 444 municipalities across the ontario.

S

Toronto is obviously not one of the smaller ones, and your recommendation is.

S

Still 2.1 rather than 1.5, why did you not draw it? Why did you not move it to.

S

2.5 over 3 meters do you, the aoda minimum is applied.

C

Ontario wide and most cities take their own approach to what's the appropriate.

C

Content context specific sidewalk minimum that works with their community.

C

In a city of 2.8 million people, we took the approach of looking at a.

C

Configuration where you could have two people passing and one person passing as.

C

Well, as to assistive devices passing, we also looked to history and identify the.

C

2.1 was determined to be an acceptable minimum width for pedestrian clearway in.

C

The city of toronto previously, and and we have we applied it- that way.

C

We did, however, look again contextually at where we have higher volumes of.

C

Pedestrians and that's why you'll see the 2.5 recommended on streets in the.

C

Downtown where we have a significantly higher volume of pedestrians, so you're.

S

Confident that those adjustments are fair and reasonable and and more most.

S

Importantly, it gives us that that that's the sort of baseline range of.

S

Accessibility through you, yes, and I also think that it as directed by council and.

C

We went back and did tried to strike the appropriate balance between the vibrancy.

C

And support of the sidewalk cafes and a reasonable and accessible minimum.

C

Sidewalk clear way for accessibility, so I think it strikes the right balance so.

S

I want to ask a question regarding the audit that was done because I I may have.

S

Missed your presentation, so I'm not! I apologize if you, if you covered it, but.

S

How many businesses, or how many patios were actually audited during this.

S

Process do you we asked some students to go out and do some assessment of.

C

Sidewalk cafe locations to determine whether they were permitted, unpermitted.

C

As well as marketing displays, we assessed just under 2000 survey.

C

Locations and we identified of those and the cafes 700 of those were permitted.

C

But 500 of those were unpermitted and then the marketing displays of at 250.

C

Were permitted and 290 ich schwöre unpermitted. Sorry, if I could just add in.

H

3, mr. chair and from those numbers there is a significant component that have.

H

Actually crept beyond what they're permitted allowable spaces, we figure in.

H

Around 50%, the the difference, though, is the manner in which we've been applying.

H

The measuring standard has differed so we're measuring to the end of the curb.

H

Face now we're measuring to the the more inward point of the curb face, so there.

H

Has to be a more in-depth analysis done on those locations to determine the.

H

Extent to which they may or may not have impacted the pedestrian clearway and so.

H

These numbers, as raw numbers, could be a one inch difference to a one foot.

H

So, there's still a lot of work to be done on the outcomes of the audit, so.

S

Just that just to clarify so there's there's almost 50% of patios in.

S

Existence in the city toronto has surveyed by you by the team and and.

S

Fifty percent actually do not have licensed patios or their and that they.

S

Are also encroaching so through mr. chair, it's not it's not exactly that.

H

Clear so, for example, out of the five hundred that were identified as being.

H

Unpermitted we've attended one hundred and sixteen of those so far less than.

H

Fifty percent of those actually would require a permit under these guidelines.

H

So it's a very address, specific review. We do have some that are occupying the.

H

Right-Of-Way that have not procured up here, a permit, probably about 25, to 30.

H

Percent of that 500, I think, would require a permit. In addition, we have.

H

Those that do have permits that have exceeded their permit area, so we have a.

H

Mash of permitted exceeding their permitted area unpermitted and possibly.

H

Exceeding the permit the what would be a permitted area, we have to do a little.

H

Bit more actually significant, more analysis on that. Okay out of time, thank.

S

You any other questions, but I'm sure it'll be soon. Thank you very much. Mr.

D

Chair just a couple, quick questions. So again I asked the deputy dis one of the.

D

Speakers, do you know the number of patios that are not currently complying.

D

With the current clearway recommendations, like the current one,.

D

Today the currents wednesday so three of mr. chair we've identified about 70% of.

H

Permitted locations that are exceeding their permit area period. Out of that, we.

H

Believe we've got about a hundred and forty that are actually less than the.

H

1.5 aoda minimum standard and there's a variety in between they may not be.

H

Meeting the 2.1, it could be by one inch it could be by a foot and that also.

H

Relates to the manner in which they were measured when they were permitted to the.

H

Manner in which we are measuring now so we've got. I know your question was.

H

Around the non compliant with the clearway, certainly about 104.

H

Aren't even allowing for the 1.5 of the permitted patios that we have so it's a.

H

Very individualized, as barbara mentioned right, very contextual, address by address.

H

Review of the conditions and applying the standard to it to determine holi and.

D

Sorry, so how many would be impacted by the what's proposed in the report, then.

D

With the requirements proposed in the report, well, how many would be have to.

D

Modify or alter their current configuration so through mr. chair, I.

H

Would absolutely say any of those that are currently permitted that have exceeded their permit area a based on that premise, the ones that are permitted.

H

That are not allowing for at least the 101 points area. One point five meter.

H

Clearway, which is about a hundred and forty of them, they would be directly impacted, as well as any of those that are occupying our right-of-way. That does.

H

Not that do not have a permit, they would be impacted and they would be held to.

H

The standards that are applicable, which has been about two point, one.

H

Historically, so there's a number of buckets of work to be done on.

H

Enforcement, so there's still a lot of work to be done on that and then we did.

D

Hear about one of the deputies talked about enforcement that really all of.

D

This is for not if we don't enforce, so what are your thoughts on that.

H

So through mr. chair, you know that's one of the the ongoing conversations that.

H

I'm having with my good colleagues and transportation services, but certainly.

H

One of the exercises we undertook this year and barbara mentioned about hiring.

H

The students with two students we were ever able to cover 1963 locations.

H

Identify areas where it needs follow up in potential enforcement and part of our.

H

Proposal here includes accounting for those bodies on an ongoing basis to do.

H

This level of work at our in a reasonable way. I don't think we're.

H

Staffed appropriately to hit every patio every year and every every week, but.

H

There are certainly some measures we can do to ensure that standards are being.

H

Met in addition to some of the proposals around delineating, the permitted patio.

H

Area which would ease enforcement efforts? Okay, just a quick question to.

D

Transportation on the trucks and sounds like there's more work to do according to mls, but on the trucks new topic.

D

Parking on sidewalks beacon seems like it's becoming a little epidemic.

D

Certainly in my neck of the woods and I'm certain all the councillors in the.

D

Young eglinton arian across the city are seeing the same thing where trucks are.

D

Just parking on literally just parking on the sidewalk in the middle of a.

D

Sidewalk, it's phenomenal small trucks, massive trucks. What could we do to address that? That issue? Do you chair the the city.

C

Certainly, transportation and other agencies within the city do not condone.

C

Trucks, parking on the sidewalk and blocking accessible routes to do their.

C

Daily business, we can certainly refresh people's memory.

C

About the requirements to find an appropriate space to park, I think.

C

Especially in the downtown, in some of the more congested areas, as you have.

C

Noted previously, some of those spaces are getting more and more further and.

C

Farther between, and so I think we just need to continue to be vigilant about.

C

Reminding and holding staff accountable to not walk in those pathways. Thank you.

G

Thank you and denise deputy mayor and cody day. Please go.

G

Ahead, thank you, chair just a question about the park lights, which are the new.

O

Thing in the report, at least that I've seen how many spots, how many parking.

O

Spaces does a parklet take up through you, a parking a parklet can take up one.

C

Or more spaces, depending on the desire of the applicant and the applicant, would.

C

Not be the city unless we were to support that with the approval of the.

C

Adjacent business or a conversation with the adjacent business, but there's some.

O

Rules in there, like I think, somewhere in there, it says the park, let's or at least.

O

The side roadside cafe areas can't be more than 12 meters on the block 3. The.

C

Maximum is 12 meters, so that would be three spots: the maximum. So three and.

O

That includes so it's one two three spots, and that includes the the blocks.

O

That have to go on either end of the like how many spots ultimately get.

O

Impeded if you put a park light into the maximum size through you three spots, if.

C

You did the maximum size of 12 meters and adjacent stores, and things can't.

O

Assemble these park lights together. Can they through you, if the bia or the.

C

The businesses wanted to come together and have that be the outcome, then that.

C

Would be something we would we would work with them on that? Yes, okay,.

O

Hydro vaults: the report touches upon different things in the sidewalk surface,.

O

Area that have to have setbacks can can a can a cafe, go on top of a vault like.

O

Over a grill or one of those big concrete covers and what it did you talk.

O

To hydro about that, what do they say through you? There is a minimum distance.

C

And it would have to be one meter from the edge of the hydro vault and yes, we.

C

Did talk to hydro about that as part of our consultation? So you can the hydro.

O

Vault be inside the fence of a cafe area. Does that or can you not put something.

O

Like one of these cafes, on top of a hydro vault like I get the set back of.

O

The fencing materials and so on, but can that be somewhere in the center of one.

O

Of these corral's, it could be as long as the clearance distances are met. The.

C

Reality is that or the hydro needs to be able to access those vaults. Clearly, if.

C

They have a situation where they need to get in. Could we as we would? We would.

C

Review that very carefully as part of a permitting exercise, this hydro review it.

C

They would be circulated in that review. Yes in korea, mr. chair, yes, they.

H

Currently are the current process does have that circulation through hydro? We.

H

Don't permit on top of hydro vaults, but if toronto hydro does not object or.

H

Permits it then they would be permitted, but certainly that circulation goes on.

H

Now and will go on going forward, okay, so, theoretically we could have tables and.

O

Chairs, on top of one of those grills, it's just that hydro would have to.

O

Object to it through the circulation process, if they didn't desire that okay.

O

Sorry, mr. chairman, I dro would have to approve it. We reject it outright. I see.

O

Okay, that's very helpful tree wells. I know this come across community council.

O

There's sometimes there's metal grills around a tree or a concrete grill and.

O

It's a square shape, it's usually quite large, like six feet, six feet by six feet.

O

And then a little city tree in the middle that maybe he's a few inches wide when you measure the setback from the cafe, do you.

O

Measure it from the edge of the tree well start, or do you measure it from the.

O

Trunk of the tree here you if the tree great, is a flat and walkable great. We.

C

Would include it as part of the pedestrian clear way if it was in a.

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Planter then we would do one of two things likely one is we would measure it.

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From the planter, the others that we would work to probably remove and.

C

Alleviate the planter and relocate the tree okay or put the tree in a more.

C

Accessible configuration I get that the planters are raised and absolutely yeah.

O

You couldn't include that in a clearer way, but what about? Are there any grills.

O

Or equipment that we have in the city or in the bia s that would not qualify as a.

O

Walkable surface, even though intuitively it might look like it through you. Mr.

H

Chair where, if it's not a flat surface surrounding the tree, then we will.

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Measure from the edge of the tree pit the new, I think the new standards are.

H

Generally permitted they're walkable surfaces, barbara mentioned, but if they.

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Are not, then the measurement would start at the tree pit edge. Okay, last question:.

O

Going to squeeze in here can you tell me, are there are some features in here that.

O

Protects the city on two fronts: the first is is in terms of liability slips.

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Trips and falls or people using the public space, and yet there's these.

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Encumbrances that have been added either as of right because of the couple of.

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Permit categories that grant it as of right or by permit for these enclosures.

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And the second and most importantly, do any of the businesses have a chance to.

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Make a claim to the city if we have to disrupt the permit area at any point in.

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Time, for you know, six months, a road construction or whatever it is the.

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Concern is, is the businesses will come back and say you know, like we've been operating for six years, we can't open our cafe this summer city. You owe us.

O

Money and and are we able to have an adequate defense in that case, that's.

O

Very important to me: do you? Yes, it was in the previous rules and it is in these.

C

Rules as well cancellara cindy your next. Thank you mr. chair, very simple.

A

Coalification is all on point: 38, city, council direct, a says: 30 meters measured.

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From the closest part of amid the area in resident zone and then b says one.

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Meter of amid area is be referring to mix use other than residential, because.

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How can you beat 30 meters in that only one meter point 38 through you. It is a.

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Meter minimum to the entrance of a dwelling unit, so this would be mix.

J

Euston, because it should be mixed-use, it could be, yeah would be mixed-use. Yes,.

C

Goes the other one reference residential and it's 30 meters away from residential.

A

Okay, thank you any other questions. If not, I just have a couple couple.

G

Questions, let me tell me sam okay them within is.

G

Like number 20 with regards to the temporary year-round cafe enclosures.

G

During the consultation process, have you had any pushback from any other.

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Stakeholders, so do you we've what we've heard today? I think.

C

Represents a fair amount of the the information that we we got back, we we.

C

Certainly, people liked options. They liked the multiple options they were.

C

Generally, supportive of the fact that we had gone to reduce fees, although, as we.

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Heard today, there's still some interest in and taking that further, they liked.

C

The options of the temporary year-round cafe enclosures. They liked some of the.

C

Separation, distance, it's basically right sizing and retrofitting the the proposal.

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To sort of the context within which it applies, and I think we certainly heard.

C

From the accessibility community, their preference for a straight clear way.

C

Which is why we went back to do some more work on what would be the right.

C

Angle of that, except that shouldn't be the.

G

Case most likely because the their pool party enclosures that I'm referring to.

G

In the singing the report within residential of languages at corner.

G

Locations were there's plenty of space that would not compromise the integrity.

G

Of walkability, I'm really into that great. Thank you.

G

In terms of the delegated authority, is one of the recommendations is say.

G

Anything, that's not compliance with a pedestrian clear where requirements will.

G

Go to you, the general manager transportations in terms of appealing, if.

C

It is appealed and it is appealed based on the dimensions of the clearway.

C

Related to safety and accessibility, that is the piece that would be sent to the.

C

General manager for through that for that appeals process, so that's the piece.

G

That we'll be taking away from the local community councils in terms of delegated.

G

Authorities correct that was general manager of transportations, an appeal.

C

Based on pedestrian clear way, only so within the community council or councils.

G

And, except for the pedestrian clear, why a clear with requirements just to be.

G

Sure you have torah tradition on that, so anything that you will go to the.

G

Community council will have to be, it can be anything except the clear ways. The.

C

Clear way and safety, so that would mean the parklet right if we were going to be.

C

Putting a parklet forward on the street that we would want to review that.

C

Location, quite specifically, for safety yeah, that's about it thanks! So much.

G

Great, so we have gone through cancer dieciocho.

A

Thank you. Mr. chair, I'm just a quick question with respect to grandfathering.

A

So there's there's this imposed deadline of 2025 is that a deadline imposed by.

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The city, or is it provincial because I I know one gentleman was talking about.

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Grandfathering being a pretty large issue, and I believe it is across the.

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City to you that the 2025 is a is not a deadline, as per say it's when the city.

C

Is when ontario is requiring compliance with the aoda.

C

And so we have set that as a goal, a target. I guess you could call it. Oh does.

A

That provincial legislation preempt or illuminate grandfathering through you.

B

Mr. chair, if I can be of some assistance on this one, the aoda indicates that it.

F

Is a goal to try and achieve code compliance by 2025? It doesn't require.

D

Compliance and there are exemptions under the act in terms of, for example, if.

D

There is work that would disturb heritage work that you wouldn't have to.

D

Bring it into compliance. In addition, there are also it discusses that you do.

K

Not have to bring things in compliance where you are not rebuilding something.

K

So if you're, just repairing something, it also doesn't have to be brought into.

K

Compliance in that time frame, it's a total replacement. They ask you to come.

A

Into compliance, if it is a total replacement in a rebuild okay and not.

D

Just a repair, then you are required to meet the new standard, all right so.

A

There's some flexibility there all right. Thank you. Thank you.

G

Any other questions, if not we'll go to speakers now, is these remembers and.

G

Council fletcher.

G

Yes, please go okay, I'm just going to say that I support the report lot of good.

E

Work has gone into that and that some of the fees.

E

I think might still be a bit high, but what I don't want to do is I want to.

E

Talk about something else, that's related because we're talking about clear ways.

E

In the city coming here today, an elderly man- I picked him up on the.

E

Sidewalk just past that curb because he was very poorly sighted and with a cane.

E

And when I was driving along, he tripped and fell. He did a faceplant on the.

E

Street you can see that that is a curt. That's built up in the region, part.

E

Brand-New that actually has white lines painted that would guide you as someone.

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Who is poorly sighted, that you could be walking there? That is a concern to me.

E

Since we're talking about clear ways, safe walking, that's a very unsafe.

E

Condition there's the curve on the other side of the street again the same thing.

E

White lines telling somebody you can walk there and you are now hitting a.

E

Curb there's a lot of our street furniture. That's placed in places that.

E

Doesn't leave a lot of space and that's one there. I don't think that's 2.1.

E

That's our placement there's many others. I didn't have a chance to bring too many.

E

More that's on dundas and I just want to take a trip up to longbows to get a.

E

Starbucks and you trip over the half inch there of these little tiles. That.

E

Are very people like to use them, but they dislodge quite easily and that's a.

E

Half inch tripping standard I found and I've had many people tell me that are.

E

Impaired visually or on motorized scooters in some way that these tree.

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Pits that are favored by many by the city are quite dangerous, because.

E

You don't see it coming and then now your toe is on there and now you're in.

E

The tree pit, so flush or higher, would probably be much better, so this is a.

E

Standard that we're currently using in many many of the streets that we've.

E

Looked at regarding the boulevard cafes and I have great concern over it and.

E

This is the piece de resistance this is walking across elizabeth street. You can.

E

See that our lines are painted now you probably wouldn't start off there. I.

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Don't know you'd see the line, but if you're coming across the street again as.

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That visually impaired senior, but I met today.

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There's the lines that are telling you where you can walk and is guiding you.

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Into two very large polls and to trip over a curb, so I really believe that.

E

This these things are extremely important that, while we're looking at.

E

Where we're putting our cafes and everything which really started out as.

E

Getting more money from them that we can't forget about these very important.

E

Public spaces that are on these roads and quite frankly, most of this.

E

Construction is new construction, so I do not know how we constructed the curb. I.

E

Do know how he constructed the curb to prevent you from going up and hitting.

E

That I don't understand how our line, markings or pavement markings would.

E

Guide you to that, it's a great concern. Thank you. Thank you guys for a chat any.

G

Other is remember, if not councillor davis.

B

I don't have any motions. I know that councillor jubair.

B

Maker is moving some and I'll wait and see what else has moved here today, but I.

B

Do want to just comment on two things. One of them is obviously the enforcement.

B

Issue and whatever we do, it has to be fair and I would argue there needs to be.

B

A shorter as opposed to a longer phase-in period because there are so.

B

Many unauthorized, however, you want to describe it.

B

Patios out on our street, they also are have been interpreted over the years. The.

B

Clear way has been interpreted differently over the years, so at one.

B

Point they were measuring from the corner of the patio to the closest.

B

Obstruction which was at a tree planter, or they measure from the corner of the.

B

Patio to the wall of the building and depending on what other street furniture.

B

You had you, you may have received or may not have received a permit. So I don't.

B

Even think there was consistency whatsoever in the application of our.

B

Previous of our previous bylaw, I do think that we ought to say everyone has.

B

To bide, by the same, I don't think we have obligations to grandparent to 2025.

B

The existing permits they were one-year permits and if someone has built their.

B

Entire business strategy and plan based on assuming in perpetuity that they're.

B

Going to have renewals well, that's a problem, but it's not ours.

B

It should not be ours. Our number one obligation is to make sure that our.

B

Streets are accessible period, that is the number one priority and if it takes.

B

People adjusting their patios, it takes our city adjusting and planning better.

B

For the location of street furniture planning in a holistic way block by.

B

Block, I think that that's what we should be doing. The second thing is, I really do.

B

Want to understand this 20 degree angle that we're going to build into the.

B

Standards, I don't think we should build it into the standards. I think it should.

B

Be something that the discretion is given potentially to the general manager.

B

Who's being given delegated authority around the thruway, so if there are some.

B

Very good reason and there's no other solution, but to create a meandering in.

B

The thruway, then she can address it right now. We've already got these.

B

Meandering through ways this will, this will entrench it forever.

B

We will never work towards, as we supposedly have been working towards.

B

Straight clear ways, so I I don't know whether you should be looking at.

B

Something less than it's something, a more reasonable, 10% or maximum of 10%. I.

B

I don't know, but I'm really quite uncomfortable with the 20 degree clear.

B

Way and the grandparenting until 2025, but otherwise good work, the standards.

B

Are great, I think we're gonna have to make sure that we really we're gonna.

B

Have to make sure that the new nine configurations and options that they're.

B

Evaluated I heard someone come today and say we really need to be looking at them.

B

And if they don't work, they need to be stopped. So if there are no barriers.

B

Fences on the outside and they're too loose chairs. What you know we've got to.

B

Be looking at what those impacts are and if we are going to have a meandering.

B

There needs to be a cane identified, embedded, something in the sidewalk to.

B

Make sure people do understand that there is going to be in the walkway as a prerequisite for the installation of any new ones. That.

B

Include any kind of of a bend. Thank you, cara davis, cancer of kristyn, wong-tam.

S

Thank you very much mr. chair. I want to start off by thanking the deputies for.

S

Their remarks today I recognize that it's not it's it's it's. It may be very.

S

Difficult to come forward and sort of demand what seems to be some very basic.

S

Fundamental rights- and I want to just thank you for doing so- I'm sometimes I.

S

Feel like we're, we put people in positions to come and ask us for things.

S

That should just be somewhat common sense, but we are here and I'm very.

S

Grateful for your remarks. It was very, very helpful and also the fact that.

S

You've been working with staff throughout the entire two year, plus.

S

Process, which now brings me to my remarks to thank staff for their.

S

Outstanding work, creating harmonized by law for an amalgamated city is never.

S

Straightforward when you're talking about different streets, different grades.

S

And different urban conditions you're trying to make sense of it. It's it's not.

S

An easy, easy body of work, and also to have two divisions, come together to work.

S

Collaboratively to an outcome, I think, is also the very represents the best of the.

S

City of toronto, when we actually break our silos to come together, so I think.

S

The body of recommendations now before us is excellent. I recognize that they'll.

S

Probably refinements and tweaks as we learn and as we test them out, but.

S

Certainly, given all the considerations trying to bring balance to this.

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Particular issue you've done an exceptional job and I want you to be.

S

Proud of the recommendations and really the integrity of the process, what we.

S

Learned was was in some ways a little bit disheartening. I'm disappointed to.

S

Know that we've got so many people who were operating without permits and also.

S

Encroaching, I am a former business operator. I've had about half a dozen.

S

Businesses, two of them were food-related and it.

S

Would ever it never occurred to me to not apply for.

S

A permitting always fearful that someone would take away my permit or take away.

S

My patio, so I'm actually shocked that that people take that risk, but it also.

S

Tells us that perhaps they're testing, our our investigation capacity and our.

S

Capacity to enforce and- and maybe that's why we need to make sure that this body.

S

Of regulations moving forward is going to have the investigative and.

S

Enforcement teeth behind it, so I know that you're going to be doing some.

S

Follow-Up work, I think it's very important to provide business owners.

S

With the information that so that so that they can come into compliance, it's.

S

Not a matter of us or them, I think it's a matter of us working together and I.

S

Really strongly believe that I'm very I'm very curious with all the the new.

S

Patio extensions and new recommendations, I'm curious because we actually played.

S

Around with some of this in 2012 at least parker's nodding at me, because.

S

We'll we created celebrate young for a young street. We actually for the first.

S

Time started to push the sidewalk edges around to see how we can drop in new.

S

Extended patios extended frontages, we introduced parklets.

S

On church street and then we introduced curb side patios, and we did all of that.

S

Without this body of regulation, which I know largely helped us get to this place,.

S

And I think it was actually really exciting to see that now, business.

S

Operators have a wider range of options which they didn't have before and that's.

S

Incredibly, exciting, and I don't, I hope, that businesses recognize that there's a.

S

Lot of good stuff in here for them, so they should be also celebrating that.

S

This document gives them the options to to even you know, be more profitable.

S

Antis to to succeed, I'm gonna speak just very briefly about the aod requirements.

S

Ontario is a very large place: 444 municipalities, the average medium and.

S

Population is just over 7,000. I would say that you know we are all very.

S

Enthusiastic about the adoption of the two point, one.

S

But you know they're somewhere. In the back of my mind, I'm actually thinking perhaps two point one is it's rather modest, as is an increment in terms of.

S

What we would adopt in the city- but I also recognize that is the staffs.

S

Attempt to create that balance a place for all of us to operate in downtown.

S

Toronto is referenced several times that you know it's a very populated place.

S

Just to share with you what we're doing in downtown toronto by minimum standard.

S

These days we're pushing for six meter sidewalks the planning staff and urban.

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Decides app well, no, we've just started to do that and on yonge street we're.

S

Actually going for ten meters with the the yonge street environmental.

S

Assessment because we know the population is growing, we're gonna need.

S

More and more people, and even if people are living with full ability, what we've.

S

Learned is that people don't want to be in places that are not comfortable and.

S

If they're crowded, whether you use a mobility device where you don't people.

S

Just want to have that excellence of comfort of space, and, if you we can.

S

Create that then we're going to be much better, every single one of us, whether we.

S

Live with a disability or not so thank you very much for the time and.

S

Consideration. Thank you. The next speaker is deputy mayor and you better make a.

G

Please go again. Thank you, mr. chair, and I understand that you have a referral.

J

Motion and I believe that my motions will go, I suppose that's part of a.

J

Package with yours back to staff for a report forward, so I'm just maybe if this.

J

The clerk's could move my put my first motion on the screen.

J

I'm just moving at city council direct at all. Permit holders must meet the pedestrian, clear away and fencing requirements of this chapter by their.

J

Permit expiry date, I hope that's a little typo up. There should be by.

J

December 31st 2020, the previous. The goal was 2025. I think saying gain staffer.

J

Will report back on the date of december 31st 2020 that gives most owners who.

J

Gives all owners three years to change what they have to change, to say that we.

J

Are going to give you eight years? Why? Well? Because that's when a goal.

J

Kicks in, but I think our goal should be a little stronger and a little faster.

J

Than that I think if I was a cafe owner and I was told and informed by our city.

J

Staff that maybe my railing had to be moo pushed in by two feet in order to.

J

Help people get by safely. I don't think that would pose a hardship and again I.

J

Think that perhaps there may be exceptions in 2020 where they say well.

J

150 people did did comply and there are four cafes that cannot apply or ten.

J

Cafes that cannot apply for these very valid reasons, and I think then we could.

J

Grant and then an accept exception. I think my what motion one b-1b if they.

J

Can put on the screen and I'm just asking staff which will gain the report.

J

Back on to add one full time, equivalent enforcement staff to be recovered.

J

Through the permit fees and a cost recovery basis, staff did a very quick.

J

Calculation and when you look at their fees that goes from $88 when it's all.

J

Sort of implemented from 88 dollars to about 93 dollars. So it's a from my.

J

Perspective an incremental cost, but in terms of enforcement, all of our bylaws.

J

Don't actually mean anything like the photographs we were all shown today. What.

J

Good is having a by law that says trucks shouldn't be parked on the road. If.

J

There's nobody actually enforcing that bylaw! Sorry, not on the road on the.

J

Sidewalk if people say that if there's no enforcement and then finally as the.

J

City street advocate I'm just gonna, ask taff again and they'll report back to.

J

Consider changing the by law because the bylaw accidentally said that if frank's.

J

Cafe who's sitting next to me actually goes and can can plant a tree. There he's.

J

Got to pay $1,300, but if I'm glenn's cafe next to him and there's some cement.

J

In front of me and there there is no tree there. Now I actually don't pay so.

J

What you have is a situation where frank is going to pay $1,300 one one-time fee.

J

Glenn's, cafe literally adjacent to him and next-door isn't going to pay the fee.

J

So I look forward to staff reporting at on that to make sure that one we have.

J

Fairness, so glenn's cafe and frank's cafe, are treated fairly and equally and.

J

To that we do contribute to the tree street canopy, because if frank's cafe.

J

And glenn's cafe both take up the sidewalk space, where we could have had.

J

Trees now we can't have trees, they should be contributing on a one-time.

J

Basis so that we can plant, the city can plant a tree either down the street.

J

Around the corner or in a local park, mr. chair, I'm glad that our staff or you.

J

Know, 20 years after malcolm ation are bringing us a report saying we should.

J

Have a standard in the city that applies equally to everybody and takes into.

J

Account I'll call it best. Practices around the world 20 years is a very long.

J

Time and I'm sure very frustrating time for people who have mobility issues who.

J

Are blind or seeing impaired that this going to work is dangerous for them.

J

Going to get a cup of coffee at longos is actually dangerous for them. Going to.

J

Get a cup of coffee walking to work or walking your dog or, like the one.

J

Gentleman said, I think he left. If his doctor says to him, you should get a.

J

Little bit more exercise to make sure that you don't get diabetes, that he says.

J

No, I I might have to get diabetes because going in for walks out on the.

J

Sidewalk might might result in bodily harm to myself. So I think these.

J

Amendments are long overdue. I do think like councilor wrong. Tam has.

J

Mentioned our staff have done a very good job working together. It's a very.

J

Complicated rubik's cube because we are not just regulating for one cafe or two.

J

Cafes, there's tens of thousands of them out there. The configurations and I think.

J

Councillor fletcher showed a good example where every telephone pole every.

J

Newspaper box every chair every table changes how we move around the city and.

J

It is very complicated so with that mr. chair I'd, encourage staff staff. Sorry.

J

Committee members here to refer this to support your motion to refer it back to staff, to get some more information, more details and.

J

Let's move forward with making her city a much more beautiful in livable place.

J

Thank you. Thank you, deputy mayor questions from.

G

The movement it's the time frame, we were gonna, eliminate the words by their.

J

Permit expiry date: okay, so just for clarification are you directing staff to.

D

Do this or asking for them to review this? Well, if we were going to adopt.

J

Their recommendations today, I would have directed them to do it, but then, since.

J

It's being referred back, this will go bark pat sorry back as part of the.

J

Referral so staff will report back to us on the feasibility, feasibility or.

J

Advisability of doing this, which I'm happy with staff, has come back and call.

D

So the language that I'm reading is direct must meet. So that seems like.

D

There's no, if it was adopted today, that's what it would mean, but it's being.

J

Referred back along with councillor class seos motion, so it's staffer gonna.

J

Report back to us: that's what the clerk told me so, okay, and given that it's a.

D

Provincial deadline: well, no, I think that's the mistake. Maybe our staff have.

J

Made or noticed, I don't want to call a mistake that that is a date that the.

J

Staff have made saying well: the province has a goal of 2025, so we'll give.

J

Everybody until 2025 to fix what to me, is either minor changes in their patios.

J

Or to very important changes to their patios. To make sure that you and I and.

J

All of our friends and neighbors can walk to work safely, like I asked fy 2025.

J

There is no real rationale other than a provincial goal, but people don't need.

J

Eight years to fix their patio, okay, your second motion is, if I could see the.

D

Second motion to the clerk: if I could see the second, I know one's that one's.

D

About tree okay, so this is very vague. It doesn't really you're saying cost.

D

Recovery, so that's always music to my ears, but you're, not you're, not really.

D

Directing it you're just giving them one more fte versus directing it to a.

D

Particular endeavor like is it, can they also go out.

D

And deal with idling the idling bylaw well, more, they I'll check with the.

J

Clerk's again- and I thought my motion so that that's my area should be this.

J

Specifically for enforcement of this of this bylaw, so trucks on the sidewalk.

D

Except her ass, just like in, if I can give you a quick example when we did the.

J

The rental landlord licensing we actually gave staff we actually gave.

D

Staffers on a cost recovery, but yes for that program, I recall, as I recall, okay.

J

Same thing here we would say, through the fees okay staff will report back to us.

J

On what they will be because I don't think it's a big increment, but what they.

J

Will be so that we can have at least one full-time equivalent staff person.

J

Enforcing the bylaw- and this is again just to review this- isn't to staff to.

D

Review, that's correct, right, okay and then the last question I didn't. I didn't.

D

Understand your tree business here at all. So what are you in kind of a brief.

D

Way how what are you recommending on the trees, just in a brief way? Basically, one.

J

To treat everybody the same because when you actually read their fee structure,.

J

People who plant trees pay more than cafes, who don't plant trees, which seems.

J

To be backwards, so the people who do good things, which is plant trees or give.

J

Us money in lieu of planting a tree have to pay money and their next-door.

J

Neighbor doesn't so I'm asking staff to report back and when it goes to the.

J

Referral with councillor platt seos motion staff report back to say, is it.

J

Just better to say everybody when they come and get one of these permits gives.

J

Us a one-time $1300 fee because by having these kaif of these patios, you.

J

Are eliminating the possibility of the city planting a tree in front of your business, but I just heard from small business that they're struggling event.

D

So I don't know it's, I love trees, trust me, but I'm just a little bit worried.

D

That we haven't consulted at all with the well, that's it's gonna be referred.

J

Back to staff and staff will come come back. I don't think it's going to provide a hardship at all. If you are having jays cafe and you're going to have a patio in.

J

Front of your cafe and you stop the city from planting a tree because of it.

J

Think the least you can do is a good corporate citizen to say you know what.

J

The city could have planted a tree in front of my cafe. I'm going to take up.

J

That space and occupy that space with my my calf, my patio, therefore I'm gonna- do.

J

A one-time $1300 fee, so if your patio stays there for a decade, it's like.

J

Paying a hundred and thirty dollars a year in rent, okay, I think staff will.

J

Report back and advise us on the feasibility of it and then we can consider it but again wearing my tree advocacy hat. I noticed that the fee.

J

Structure on page 31 of the report didn't seem fair because some people.

J

Were paying the fee and some people weren't, and my this motion basically.

J

Says everybody will pay the fee not just not just frank and not glenn, but glenn.

J

And frank together, great and any other questions.

G

Yeah deputy mayor, thank you for sure. In reading this, in some circumstances there.

O

May be a shared responsibility to help bring the clearway in compliance and in.

O

Particular sometimes there are city objects that are in the pathway, bike.

O

Rings boxes in garbage cans whatever it is, do you feel confident that much in.

O

The same way that we're asking the business owners to come into compliance.

O

That the city will be able to meet its part in those instances where we've got.

O

A garbage can in the wrong place by 2020, because we're already you know.

O

At the cusp of 2018, we've only got a couple of seasons really to make these.

O

Changes yes, three, three mr. chair, I think three I think three years is.

J

Enough staff will report back and they can tell us if they think three years.

J

Isn't is reasonable for both the private sector, cafes and and themselves, as as.

J

You saw there was a telephone pole in the middle of a walkway, so I would hope.

J

That could be moved within three years, but if they say no, we can't move that until four five years. Then I think that should be the exception, not the rule, but.

J

I think the goal of the public sector- certainly we should be taking the lead.

J

So if we have I'll call it accidentally over time.

J

Some of those garbage cans in the middle of a walkway, which makes it difficult.

J

For people to get by then first on our priority list should be moving back.

J

Those garbage cans and newspaper boxes other things that we put out there to.

J

Make sure that we do our bit just as much as the private sector. In fact,.

J

Hopefully, more to lead by example, just and just curious about the fixation on.

O

The 2020 date it is aggressive and and iii laud you for for that, for trying to.

O

Get improvements to the clearway, I just worry about the feasibility. Would it be.

O

A friendly amendment, if it was just to ask the general manager to look at.

O

Accelerating the date sooner than 2025, rather than fixing a particularly r, I I.

J

Would consider that a friendly amendment, I think, staff I think staff are back.

J

There they sort of know what direction we want to go. Yeah and the intent would.

O

Be to have some comment: if there is a report back on, if there are any.

O

Opportunities, especially if it's a city, if it's a city, object, that's in the way.

O

To see if we can accelerate the timeframe rather than five years from.

O

Now, yes, I'd be very happy at one level of staff came back and said: well, we.

J

Can't do it in three years, but we think five years is reasonable versus eight.

J

Years so yes, I'll I'll, ask if the clerk can amend accordingly is a friendly.

G

Amendment. Thank you any other questions. If not, we continue with speakers. Madam.

G

Chair robinson, oh thank you, your next mics mine anymore. All right is there.

D

Somebody else who could speak before me, because I just working on a couple other.

G

Speaker, if not I'll, take the plunge do I do.

D

Okay, so I have, I have a couple motions but okay I'll just speak on it and and.

D

There are very simple motions related, so I just. I also want to thank staff for.

D

Their hard work, I also want to thank all the speakers today. We certainly heard a.

D

Lot of good ideas from actually a number of counselors, as well as the speakers.

D

And I do think this. This certainly needs some refinement and tweaks. There's no.

D

Question there we heard that from when we asked questions to our various city.

D

Staff there seems to be a lot of questions still around. You know how many.

D

How many patios would be affected both now and down the road with the with the.

D

New requirements- and that doesn't seem to be crystal clear among a number of.

D

Other things also, we've heard some issues around the patio fees number of.

D

Patios, that are impacted and the fees, so I think, there's still a lot of legwork.

D

To be done, research and logistics, but I'm moving motions on a couple things.

D

And that is related to construction trucks. We heard that from. I think it was.

D

Emily this is a real problem that is a growing problem, and so I it's a very.

D

Simplistic motion, but just asking how we can simply effectively address that.

D

Issue and it's not an easy there's, not any easy answer to that, but I used the.

D

Word effectively because it's not effectively happening now, the other one.

D

That I'm putting forward is, I think it was councillor fletcher who identified.

D

These things just how we can better review our curb cuts, so they properly.

D

Aligned with the street she indicated, one of her constituents are felled today.

D

Because of that very issue, so I want this embedded in what's going forward.

D

Because it's so important to ensure that the walkways are clearer. As we access.

D

Our intersections and trying to connect with the the sidewalk, as well as the.

D

Tree pits we heard today also that the tree pits are not necessarily flush with.

D

The sidewalk or they create problems so going for. I don't think we can. You know.

D

At this point rebuild everything, but we could certainly try to get it right.

D

Going forward- and so I just put in a simple motion about tree pits being.

D

Flush with with the sidewalk, so this is, would be part of councillor palacios.

D

Motion that I guess he will introduce next, but I just want to make sure the.

D

Clerk that this is room, a referral. Okay, I see, and then we just.

D

Plug it in okay. Thank you. I just want to make sure so I guess my um my those are really my comments. I think there's a lot more.

D

Tweaking, as I said, to do in refining, things aren't crystal clear yet, but.

D

Staff have certainly done a lot of great legwork to get us here. The utility boxes.

D

We've heard about today, I understand it's oab that have now regulated those.

D

Go up not under, but that seems a shame, but I know we're dealing with that as a.

D

Parallel exercise, so I won't go on about that, but I think it's important to keep.

D

Our eye on all of these things so I'll be supporting councillor plassey ohs.

D

Motion as well as my emotions and I'm still trying to figure out councillor to.

D

Bear makers portions. Thank you. It's a questions to the movie. That's with lean.

G

Just on the qualification on yours, you're talking about trucks and so on.

J

Blocking you're not referring to emergency, it's fucking like no. I see.

J

Sometimes bell it's trying to be path. Yeah, I'm talking I'm talking so and I.

D

Guess I should have been a little clearer. I did, I did say, construction.

D

Trucks: yes, if you want to alter that motion, I'm happy for any friendly and I.

K

Do see emergency vehicles in parkland police cars, yes,.

D

Bail trucks, repairing and so on, yeah. I guess what I had in my mind was.

D

Construction very big is any other.

G

Questions, if not the next speaker is deputy miracle. You think please go ahead.

O

Thank you, mister, chair I'll, be very brief, because I understand that there is a encompassing referral motion it may be coming. I did have some questions and I.

O

Wanted to take a look at the parking fees associated with park lights, and I.

O

Just wanted to make sure that we did keep the city whole parking spaces are.

O

Important they contribute to successful businesses along the street. They can.

O

They contribute to people being able to come and visit their friends, their.

O

Neighbors in different areas, the installation of a parklet could take.

O

Away these parking spaces, and I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing as.

O

Long as there's a process use to come to a decision on that, but part of the.

O

Balance in all of this is the revenue that comes from those parking spaces.

O

Does go back to the city and is used to look after the roads, so I think speaking.

O

For you know the city as a whole, it's important for us to keep them all whole.

O

And I understand that it could be one two or three parking spaces that are.

O

Taken up in a park ride and I wanted to get some additional information on the.

O

Value of these parking spots because they have come up in other city reports,.

O

And making sure that is all bound together and consider here in those fees.

O

That are charged when those parking spaces decision is made to take up those.

O

Parking spaces for a period of time. Thank you.

O

Thank you, deputy mayor any once, if not a list, we have a minor amendment from a.

G

Deputy mayor did I make it mr. chair the clerk's, advise me that I should have.

J

Them put this motion on the screen again because I amended it as per the friendly.

J

Amendment suggested by councilor holiday, which is just to say that direct that.

J

Permit holders meet this before 2525 and that's what the staff are going to.

J

Review so my dates in 2025. This is asking staff to look to put it up before.

J

Or 2025, thank you. They'll report and they'll report back on that. Okay, great.

G

Thank you any other speakers, I'll just be very.

G

Pleased, I will be supporting answering authorities. Thank you. Please walk in. I.

G

Think I'll be with supporting your referral motion, plus all the others to.

O

Be included in the refer back to staff for inclusion in future report coming.

A

Back so that's all, let me say thank you thank control-d to the point, fantastic.

G

Thank you, so I have emotion that little bit lengthy and that's taking carriage.

G

Of a few recommendations from my colleagues from the deputy mayor holiday.

G

Deputy mayor deborah make a chair, robinson and so.

G

There is some of those recommendations and then, if we can display those motions.

G

Please and I'll speak to it shortly. First, I want to thank you all the depth.

G

And for taking the time to come and speak to this joint committees of.

G

Licensing standards and polyworks also, I think, city staff for bringing forward.

G

Clear, comprehensive and harmonized by law- and I understand that- may be a bit.

G

Disappointed with their with their referral, but that's the will of the.

G

Joint committees today, we heard from from both from the accessibility.

G

Accessibility committee, as well as from the business community.

G

We have from the pretence that that's very important to have clear, simple.

G

Simple rules that for enforcement purposes and that you prefer to see and.

G

Proactive enforcement, as opposed to complain and driven enforcement. That's.

G

At least what I heard throughout the deputations, we also hear from the.

G

Business community through orma, as well as tavia, that many business operators.

G

And business in general, and especially in the downtown, will be heard in the.

G

Proposed regulations, as they are right now will go forward and where hundreds.

G

Of business may be affected as well, so knowing full well that the small.

G

Business at the heart of the local economy, I think that there is a need to.

G

Do a little tweaking and just to go back and revisit some of those.

G

Recommendations now I'd like to speak a bit about.

G

Year-Round enclosures values that I brought up forward back in 2010 and.

G

There was a report back in 2011 and ever since the recommendations have being in.

G

Favor of it and that's being embedded in this report, so the reality of it is that.

G

In many european in north american cities they have adopted, they have.

G

Embraced the patio in pedestrian culture huge and that makes those cities so.

G

Vibrant in welcome we have new york, we had chicago, as we have seattle in.

G

Montreal vancouver just to name a few, so these are examples of places were.

G

That they have become operational and without compromising the integrity of.

G

Walkability and within our public sidewalks and that's during summer, the.

G

Winter months, year-round literal speaking now, one thing: that's extremely.

G

Important for all of us to to very mind is that toronto's, more multicultural.

G

Diversity is express and dining establishments. That's our strength is.

G

And that's all throughout the city is not only in the downtown. It's all.

G

Throughout the city, now, if a patio is well designed and then that becomes a.

G

Destination: half that becomes a place that enhances the local community that.

G

Brings life and vitality to the community and that's extremely important.

G

So I think that there is no pushback from anywhere in terms of embracing that.

G

And I think that's something that we should be doing it and, on the other hand,.

G

The way it is those enclosures they have to be taken down during the winter.

G

Months and what becomes is a place for storage that becomes very unsightly and.

G

That's, I don't think that's what we want so, unfortunately, the municipal called.

G

Is deals with it's all old in archaic, in that he predates amalgamation and.

G

Nothing has been done, so there is a need to make changes to it to modernize it.

G

And that would make our party culture more vibrant in syria, toronto and in the.

G

Reason it modernizes some with my high minutes there. So that's those are my.

G

Comments and hopefully that you'll support those recommendations. Thank you.

G

So we have some recommendations and and I'm going to ask a clerk in terms of.

G

Sequence, how we are going on these ones, please motion is referring the other.

J

Motions move for consideration by staff as well. What is same, what I would like.

G

To what I'm proposing is to refer back to everything city staff, all the.

G

Recommendations all the recommendations for their consideration in that from the.

G

Transport, that's, and does your emotions specify a date to come back to committee.

J

Or joint committee january is, I do, is to.

G

The earliest possible time is to the earliest possible time, so I think that.

G

Cities tab they do the serving every sense to be given the time. That's.

G

Appropriate don't create, they have a number of directives from counseling.

G

From our committees as well, that they're working on it on those and that's within.

G

The work plan, so since this being a priority, I'm sure that's going to come.

G

Back soon great, so we have all these motions. Would you like.

G

To take them as a package hood or separately as package okay, so we can.

G

Take them all as a package, all those in favor against carry great thanks. So much.

G

Can I have a motion to adjourn casali thanks so much great.

G

So, just again, since the item has been referred in, all the motions have been.

G

Prepared city staff.