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Public Works and Infrastructure Committee, meeting 28, April 11, 2018 - Part 1 of 2
Agenda and background materials:
http://app.toronto.ca/tmmis/decisionBodyProfile.do?function=doPrepare&meetingId=13040
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL2snwNQB_o#t=8m20s
Meeting Navigation:
0:10:04 - Call to order
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C
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
call
this
meeting
of
the
Public
Works
and
Infrastructure
Committee
to
order
welcome
everyone,
especially
our
kidney
members
and
other
members
of
council.
We've
got
14
items
on
today's
agenda,
so
it's
quite
a
it's
quite
a
hefty
agenda
and
again
those
for
you
who
are
in
the
room.
You
can
see
the
real-time
updates,
as
well
as
those
watching
online,
can
follow
us
at
WWE,
battleground.
C
All
day
our
vice
chair
has
confirmed
the
minutes
all
in
favor.
That's
unanimous.
Now
we're
going
to
run
through
the
agenda
so
and
I
think
we
have
some
deputies
here
today.
Some
speakers
on
some
of
these
items
so
we'll
start
at
the
very
top.
P
W
28.1
non-competitive
exclusive
rights
contract
and
this
is
related
to
the
accessible
pedestrian
signals
and
the
central
control
units.
C
I
will
move
that
if,
unless
anybody
has
any
concern,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
PW
28.5
York
Region
agreements
for
water,
servicing
and
ownership
transfer
of
the
maple
collector
sanitary
trunk
sewer
any
concerns
to
thought
counsel
early
moves
it
all
in
favor
that
carries
PW
28.6
sewer
system,
flood
reduction
measures
in
the
raw
in
the
rock
cliff
area.
Yes,.
C
C
Me
please
thank
counselor.
Holliday
was
whole
whole.
It's
holding
that
item
so
we'll
hold
that
in
his
name,
counselor
holiday
and
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
item.
Pw
28.7,
Road
classification
amendments,
all
those
in
favor
tell
sir
Carmichael
Grubb
is
moving
it
and
all
those
in
favor.
That's
again
carries
PW
28.8
I'm
going
to
hold
this
in
my
name
as
the
chair
four
speakers,
so
we'll
hold
28.8
and
that
is
state
of
toronto's,
blue
bin
recycling
program.
C
It's
a
big
agenda:
PW
28
point
12,
moving
forward
an
action
plan
to
improve
safety
and
opportunities
for
PD
and
cyclists
in
word,
11
a
report
from
the
Wardle
of
pedestrian
safety
and
cycling
committee.
What
a
report
that
is
very
impressive
and
I
understand
you'd,
like
me,
I'll
hold
that
for
you,
yes
and.
C
Is
there
okay,
yeah
I
know
you
were
interested
in
that
one?
Obviously,
given
it's
your
award
and
PW
twenty
eight
point:
thirteen
cycling,
Network
implementation
in
thorak
left
park
and
Flemington
Park
again,
we've
got
speakers
on
that
item,
so
I'll
hold
that
in
my
name,
PW.
Twenty
eight
point:
fourteen
this
is
a
pilot
bike
share
program
in
Southeast,
Scarborough
I
know
we
have
speakers
on
this
councillor.
C
Ainsley
has
a
commitment
back
in
his
hometown
in
his
word
that
he
has
to
get
to
and
I
would
support
this
being
moved
up
on
the
agenda
simply
because
it
was
deferred
from
the
last
meeting,
as
you
were
aware
and
I
think
that's
a
fair,
fair
approach.
So
if
the
committee
is
okay
with
that,
I
would
move
that
up
to
the
top
or
close
to
the
topic
as
close
as
we
can
get
to
the
top
of
the
agenda.
C
Okay,
this
sounds
like
there
is
support
for
that
councillor
Ainsley,
so
we
all
do
that
near
the
beginning
and
again
I'll
hold
that
in
my
name,
because
it's
we've
got
speakers
on
a
couple
speakers.
So
lots
of
speakers
today,
okay,
so
councillor
mammal,
lady's
favorite
thing,
there's
a
request
for
an
addition
to
the
agenda
from
Javik.
C
He
did
approach
my
office
about
this
to
ask
to
have
it
put
on
I
think
it
was
yesterday,
maybe
the
day
before,
there's
issues
on
the
street
but
I
think
it's
more
complex
than
it
appears.
Given
some
of
my
conversations
late
night
conversations
with
some
staff,
my
understanding
is
it's
it's
very
complex
disorder
and
possibly
costly
and
possibly
whatever
other
capital
projects.
So
we
have
to
just
figure
out
a
way
to
order.
Just
oh,
go
ahead:
counselor
family
you're
not
very
loud
today,
I,
don't.
E
You
want
me
to
madam
chair
this
is
this:
is
this
is
out
of
order?
Not
only
is
it
submitted
at
the
last
minute,
but
it
talks
about
infrastructure.
It
talks
about
the
possibility
of
changing
of
the
structure.
It
has
no
place
here.
To
begin
with,
this
is
merely
an
attempt
to
sneak
on
a
very
expensive
renovation
to
someone's
ward
and
if
you
allow
this
I'm
gonna
keep
doing
this
myself
with
every
single
infrastructure,
new
project
that
I
that
I
might
think
of
in
Ward,
7,
so
you're,
gonna,
I
think.
C
I'm,
a
milady
has
to
decide
I
wish
I
had
that
kind
of
power,
but
I
simply
don't
and
never
will
so
it's
the
committee
has
to
decide,
but
in
the
conversation
with
staff,
there's
a
lot
more
to
this
puzzle
and
it
could
end
up
actually
me
being
disruptive
to
other
capital
works
projects
and
other
wards
and
schedules.
My.
E
Point
is
that
it's
out
of
order,
because
it
sets
a
precedent
to
if
you
accept
this,
what
it
means
is
any
one
councillor
can
bring
forward
any
pet
project
they
might
have
on
infrastructure
and
bring
it
forward
without
going
through
the
process
at
City
Hall.
If
you
accept
this
I'm
telling
you
now,
I
am
going
to
submit
probably
16
or
17
of
these
motions
in
the
near
future.
To
this
committee.
C
So
I'm
gonna
move
that
we
introduce
it
to
the
committee
I'm,
not
sure
if
I'm
gonna
vote
for
it
or
maybe
put
forward
a
motion,
that's
a
bit
more
I
think
a
motion
along
the
lines
of
having
transportation,
hydro,
the
local
councillor
and
the
local
residents.
Work
together
towards
creative
solutions
would
be
maybe
less
prescriptive
than
what
we
have
before
us
I'm,
not
well,
it's
not
even
on
the
agenda,
so
I
can't
I'm
moving
I'm
introducing
it
because
I
said
I
would
I.
C
C
C
C
C
C
F
B
C
H
However,
I
think
I
will
side
with
the
the
the
choice
of
introduction,
because
my
fear
is
if
we
do
not
do
that,
it
will
be
introduced
as
a
members
motion
and
I'm
glad
that
it's
at
least
come
to
the
committee
first,
even
though
it
was
late
literally
last
minute
and
I
agree
with
the
chair
in
that
I'm,
not
so
sure
that
I
support
the
recommendation,
because
I
think
that
appears
to
be
a
whole
lot
of
work
and
I
would
like
to
understand
what
that
means.
Much
better.
C
Okay,
so
I'm
gonna
move
to
introduce
the
item
to
the
committee
because
that
request
has
been
made
so
I'll
ask
the
committee
to
vote
on
that.
So
all
in
favor,
there's
one
two
votes,
I
think
three
doesn't
matter:
okay,
so
that
carries
it's
introduced
to
the
committee
and
then
I
think
we
shouldn't
vote
on
that.
Should
we
vote
on
this
right
now
because
we
have
a
big
agenda
ahead
of
us.
So
what
would
you
like
to
just
vote
on
this
right
now
or
anybody?
Many
motions
you
want
to
move
move.
B
C
C
C
I
haven't
I,
don't
have
anything
I
have
only
this
okay,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
item
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
you,
counselor
McMann.
So
let's
move
the
speakers
on
this
item,
which
deferral
from
our
last
meeting
that
went
over
time
and
ran
out
of
time.
I
think
we
lost
quorum
because
counselor
Poots
I
had
to
leave
I'll
come
back
to
you,
PW
28
point
14
pilot
bike
share
program
in
South,
East
Scarborough.
We
have
a
speaker
on
it.
E
G
I
actually
live
in
in
in
Scarborough,
East
and
I'm
sure
all
the
emails
you
got
on
on
this
agenda
item
is
they
agree.
They
agree
with
the
motion.
I
have
a
big
sip
used
to
be
called
Big
C
when
I
got
the
membership,
a
so-called
big
black
shirt
on
toe
I
should
have
the
option
of
taking
public
transit,
driving
or
even
a
biking
to
go,
show
up
in
to
go
to
work
or
or
even
come
here
if
I
go
visit.
G
My
sister
in
the
topic
of
course
on
my
new
bike,
because
subscriber
to
talk
is
really
really
part.
You
know,
but
this
should
be
the
option.
I
have
always
pushed
for
a
bike
share
to
be
expanded
to
all
the
subway
stations,
to
go
stations
and
everywhere
from
tobiko
to
scarper,
including
were
32
councillor
McMahon's
a
word.
That's
the
best
option
shop
in
your
you
know:
anyways!
It's
it's
good!
It's
good
actress!
It's
good
exercise!
It's
another
option
for
people
for
people
to
move
around.
It
works
well
in
council,
leighton,
spann
ward.
G
So
people
don't
don't
have
to
drive
around
and
practice
expected.
So
I'm
not
saying
it
should
be.
The
only
option
we
should
be
one
of
the
options
that
people
in
in
scariest-
you
should
have
you
know,
counselor
instinct,
has
an
option
of
taking
cold
transfer.
I
would
love
to
pay.
It
do
take
a
big
seat
like
sure
here.
If
I
had,
if
I
had
a
chance,
you
know
just
another
option
and
a
lot
of
my
neighbors
have
emailed
that
countering
this
office
asking
to
bring
back
share.
Toronto
discoveries.
C
B
J
Perfect,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
letting
me
be
here.
This
is
the
first
time
I
am
addressing
a
committee,
so
thank
you
very
much.
I
have
a
bit
I'd
like
to
say
specifically
my
name's
Emma
Mitra
and
I
come
from
a
company
called
drop
like,
which
is
a
local
company
here,
so
we
are
headquartered
and
founded
in
Canada,
we're
headquartered
right
here
and
we're
made
up
of
entirely
Torontonians.
J
You
might
be
wondering
what
drop
bike
actually
does.
There
are
a
few
things
that
are
different
about
our
bike,
sharing
than
others.
So,
first,
our
smart
bikes
have
GPS
and
Bluetooth
technology
embedded
in
them.
This
fundamentally
changes
the
conventional
bike
share
model
that
we
see
today.
This
allows
us
to
share
extensive
data
sets
with
cities,
provide
ridership
data
that
is
not
currently
connected
or
cannot
currently,
possibly
we
collect
it
and
that
can
help
the
city
make
critical
infrastructure
decisions
to
drop
bike
does
not
believe
in
a
retail
model
of
biking.
J
This
means
that
our
model
does
not
depend
on
making
profits
of
selling
bikes
to
cities
as
it
does
now.
We
also
have
expertise
in
operations.
Some
cities,
where
we
have
a
fully
operating
systems
ourselves
and
Kingston
and
there's
some
new
ones
down
the
line
and
finally
on
this
I
think,
is
the
most
important
thing
that
should
be
said
in
front
of
this
committee
here.
J
J
The
city
of
Oshawa
approved
us
on
Monday
night
for
a
final
approval,
and
we
became
the
first
city
ever
to
partner
with
a
city
in
North
America,
to
provide
this
kind
of
smart
bike
shine
with
all
that
said,
we
would
love
to
work
with
the
city
of
Toronto
and
all
the
other
stakeholders
to
help
scale
our
city's
bike
share
system
to
all
wards
and
achieve
these
kind
of
goals
much
quicker.
We
are
happy
to
help
and
work
under
the
Toronto
brakes.
J
Your
brand
become
a
technology
provider
for
the
Toronto
Bike
Share,
as
a
team
we'd
love
to
offer
our
time
to
anyone
in
the
city
who
would
find
helpful
to
consult
with
us
I
believe
there
are
many
and
for
all
of
these
you
know
lessons.
We've
learned
perspectives
and
operational
teach
we
have.
We
think
it
would
be
helpful,
especially
on
this
issue,
with
a
potential
bike
or
pilot
I
think
it
presents
a
perfect
opportunity
to
for
the
City
of
Toronto
to
try
a
new
technology.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
J
We've
had
a
very
difficult
time,
actually
speaking
to
the
staff
at
Toronto,
City
Hall.
We
believe
that
what
we've
created
here
in
Toronto
can
do
a
massive
amount
of
work
for
the
city
and
really
help
things
go
a
lot
farther
and
quicker,
but
we
have
not
had
any
kind
of
substantial
meeting
to
date
over
a
year
of
requests.
Okay,.
C
J
C
E
J
We
understand
that
there
are
contracts,
there
are
processes
for
these
kind
of
things.
We
do
not
understand
why
they
have
to
continue
when
clearly,
there
are
better
options
out
there.
This
is
a
technology,
that's
kind
of
perforating
the
whole
world.
At
this
point
you
know:
there's
50,000
smart
bikes
in
Dallas
Texas,
which
is
pretty
cool.
H
For
speaking
to
us,
so
one
of
the
things
with
the
technology
I
mean
technology
is
changing.
We
crave
data
at
the
city
to
help
us
make
informed
decisions.
Can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
what
type
of
data
the
company
can
offer
the
city
if
a
program
such
as
yours
was
implemented
and
how
it
works?
Yeah.
J
Yes
sure
so
so,
currently,
right
now
what
we
have
our
dark
systems
and
they're
the
smart
part
of
the
system,
now
they're,
not
too
smart,
but
they
can
tell
you
when
things
are
showing
up
to
certain
locations
and
when
they're
leaving
and
then
when
that
bike
left
another
location
for
us,
we
don't
use
Doc's
necessarily
to
organize
the
system.
Our
bikes
are
extremely
convenient.
They
can
be
locked
anywhere
within
certain.
You
know
rules.
J
So
with
that
we
have
active
GPS
on
our
locks,
which
allows
us
to
virtually
get
almost
every
piece
of
information
that
you
would
want
the
exact
route
that
people
are
going,
how
fast
they're
going,
and
we
even
tell
you
the
altitudes.
We
can
show
you
the
exact
rates
that
people
are
traveling
through
the
city
which,
from
a
city's
perspective,
the
data
would
be
incredible
for
where
you
should
actually
be
placing
bike
lanes
and
things
that
the
roads
that
people
are
actually
using.
So
it
gives
you
much
more
about
an
dynamic
view.
J
H
I
H
J
Sure
so
the
lock
itself
is
a
smart
lock.
It's
a
proprietary
lock
that
we've
kind
of
created
how
it
works
is
it
has
a
sim
card.
It's
internet
enabled.
So
it's
attached
to
our
servers.
What
you
do
is
you
walk
up
to
the
the
lock
itself
you
take
out
your
drop-by
cap.
You
scan
the
lock
using
QR
code,
it
immediately
authenticates
who
you
are
and
then
you're
able
to
open
that
lock
it.
J
Actually,
it
opens
automatically
for
you
at
which
point
the
bike
would
be
unlocked
and
you're
free
to
take
it
wherever
you'd,
like
that,
lock
pings
back
to
our
servers
on
a
constant
basis
to
tell
us
exactly
where
that
bike
is,
what
user
is
riding
it,
it
can
tell
us
the
battery
levels
and
different
things.
The
battery
in
the
bike
is
solar-powered.
J
We
also
have
a
backup
battery
inside,
but
we
have
a
solar
power
on
our
front
baskets
that
keep
the
locks
going
or
powered,
at
which
point
you're,
say:
you're
done
your
ride,
you've
taken
it
where
you'd
like
to
go.
You
leave
your
bike
in
the
appropriate
place,
which
is
you
know,
infrastructure,
and
then
you
would
close.
The
lock
and
it
automatically
answer
ride
and
we
handle
all
the
payment
and
everything
seamlessly
via
the
mobile
app
do.
J
We
offer
cash
options
for
our
city,
so
that's
a
big.
We
work
with
many
other
cities.
So
this
is
a
big
thing
accessibility,
so
we
provide
a
cash
option.
You
can
have
a
smartphone.
You
can
also
have
a
just
a
normal
phone
and
actually
provide
you
can
do
it
through
SMS
texting.
So
you
can
just
text
us.
The
bike
number
we'll
have
authenticated
your
phone
number
already
and
we're
working
on
a
couple
different
ways
to
continue.
Provide
the
you
know:
accessibility,
it's
kind
of
so.
H
J
Are
saying
that
our
bikes
can
last
three
years
they're
all
still
good?
We've
only
obviously
been
able
to
test
them
for
one
riding
season.
We
expected
the
last
three
years.
The
price
of
our
bikes
are
drastically
reduced,
so
we
do
have
the
ability
to
replace
them
on
a
more
constant
basis,
then
say
that
they
say
the
Toronto
Bike,
Share,
bikes,
okay,.
I
I
J
So
so
last
year
we
piloted
our
programs
in
Kingston
Ontario.
We
did
have
a
fleet
at
U
of
T,
and
then
we
were
in
West
Quebec,
which
is
a
little
town
inside
the
town
of
Montreal
this
year,
we'll
be
rolling
out
in
Kelowna
BC,
there's
another
contract
and
the
west
coast.
There's
an
another
big
contract
out
here,
and
then
we
just
signed
up
with
the
city
of
Oshawa,
we're
currently
going
through
the
public
procurement
process
for
this
Kingston
Ontario,
as
well
as
the
region
of
Waterloo.
I
J
So
I
think
the
feedback
last
year
was
that
our
bikes
weren't
great,
so
obviously
the
the
bikes
themselves
are.
The
lock
is
really
the
power
in
this
technology.
What
that
lock
could
go
on
anything
it
could
go
on
a
wheelchair.
It
could
go
on
a
mountain
bike
like
you'll
see
at
the
TRC
a
so
we
didn't
have
the
highest
quality
bikes,
we've
reinvested.
We
have
our
third
generation
bikes
now,
which
are
much
larger,
they're
built
more
for
the
Canadian
market,
the
tires
themselves
or
puncture
proof
their
lists.
It's
all
proprietary
there.
J
It's
all
anti-theft
locks,
anti-theft
bolts,
everything
like
that,
so
the
the
main
feedback
we
got
was
bikes,
aren't
great,
so
we've
upgraded
the
bikes
and
then
the
second
one
has
to
do
with
some
organization
and
some
operational
issues,
because
they're
completely
free-floating
these
bikes.
But
we've
changed
our
lock
to
have
a
cable
lock
so
that
incentivizes
users
to
have
to
leave
it
up
against
something,
as
well
as
we've
put
a
lot
more
visual
cues
into
our
kind
of
user
experience.
J
Well,
that's
a
helpful
actually
piece
of
marketing
our
orange
bikes.
People
are
very
curious
about
other
than
that.
We
have
to
wait.
We
don't
have
permission
from
from
from
you
guys
to
launch
in
Toronto,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
this.
We
don't
want
to
do
it
without
permission
in
the
other
cities.
What
we've
done
is
we've
worked
together
with
the
city
and
parallel
to
provide
communication
plans
and
different
things
to
explain.
This
is
a
new
public
service,
and
this
is
something
you
can
do.
I
J
J
I
think
there's
multiple
ways
you
could
go
about
doing
this.
We
don't
have
the
capital
to
put
20,000
bikes
or
something
in
Toronto
and
cover
the
city
tomorrow.
If
that
was
the
policy
goal,
we
could
do
it
a
lot
quicker.
You
know
with
subsidies,
but
we
can
grow
our
systems.
Naturally,
with
you
know,
rider
revenue.
J
The
current
system
uses
those
Doc's
which
are
where
you
have
to
push
the
bike
in
and
out.
We
don't
have
any
infrastructure,
those
Doc's
cost
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars,
and
so
we
just
remove
that
cost
completely.
We
massively
reduced
the
cost
and
then
we
can
provide
our
riding.
So
we
provide
our
rides
at
one
dollar
an
hour
which
is
much
less
than
that.
The.
J
J
See,
okay,
I
guess
it
depends
on
what
the
City
of
Toronto
would
like
to
do.
We
believe
that,
but
drop
like
that.
Only
one
bikes,
your
system
can
successfully
work
inside
of
a
city
and
I
believe
what
the
Bike
Share
Toronto
should
do
is
look
into
our
technologies
and
other
similar
technologies
to
see
if
they
can
start
reducing
costs
and
expand
to
other
wards.
Just
not
using
their
docked
model
would.
J
J
I
III
apologize
I
actually
misunderstood
your
last
question,
I'm,
sorry,
I.
What
I
meant
to
say
is
I.
Wasn't
we
haven't
been
able
to
speak
to
Toronto
bike
sure
by
ourselves
alone
we
can
launch
this
program
by
ourselves
without
financial
help
into
the
city
of
Toronto.
We
can't
cover
Toronto
on
day
one,
but
we
could
expand
it
eventually.
Yes,.
C
J
C
G
C
C
G
Yep,
no,
it's
it's
great
Here
I
am
thank
you
and
thanks
for
hauling
in
everybody
overall
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
good
idea.
We
should
go
ahead
and
do
this
without
reservation.
Just
a
broad
concern,
though,
is
aren't
the
road
conditions
in
Scarborough
going
to
be
safe
enough
for
cyclists,
because
if
you
look
at
the
stats,
there
seems
to
be
a
real
issue
with
a
lot
of
road
kill
and
harm
to
pedestrians
and
cyclists
there.
G
So
that's
a
real
issue:
are
we
actually
going
to
have
a
safe
enough
environment
for
people
to
be
cycling
in
and
I'm
sufficiently
old
that
I
have
paper?
This
is
the
2001
bike
plan
for
the
Scarborough
area.
It
actually
has
a
pretty
considerable
network
proposed
and
I.
Just
wonder
how
much
of
this
has
been
done.
I
think.
Maybe
the
on-road
section
is
perhaps
10%
done
if
that
and
it
might
be-
maybe
five
or
six
million
to
repaint
the
lanes
to
do
it.
G
G
This
actually
show
up.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
off-road
done,
but
the
the
on-road
is
pretty
pretty
Spartan.
So,
given
the
costs
of,
say
things
like
Scarborough,
subway
extension,
where,
where
is
that
I
think
they're
they're,
suggesting
that
every
new
rider,
if
they
gets
built,
is
going
to
be
one
point
four
or
five
million
dollars
to
repaint
the
lane
lines
in
Scarborough,
all
of
Scarborough
would
be
a
real
bargain.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
do
this,
but
also
is
it
going
to
be
safe?
You
know.
Thank
you.
That's.
C
H
Am
a
staff
to
comment
on
the
notion
that
the
bike
share
program
runs
at
an
operating
loss,
that
is,
it
isn't
generating
enough
revenue
to
cover
its
costs?
Can
you
comment?
Could
the
staff
comment
my
apologies
on
whether
or
not
expanding
into
Scarborough
makes
the
situation
worse
or
better
and
why
there
hasn't
been
a
push
to
do
that
so
far,.
F
For
the
chair,
thank
you
for
your
question
councillor.
The
the
bike
share
system,
as
approved
by
council
for
the
operation
by
the
Toronto
parking
authority,
does
operate
as
a
law
at
a
loss.
The
operating
loss
is
covered
by
the
transportation
services
capital
budget
and
those
transfers
happen
as
per
council
direction
through
the
budget
process.
That
was
the
council
decision.
When
the
transfer
to
bixi
and
the
toronto
parking
authority
took
place.
F
The
expansion
process
that
the
toronto
parking
authority
is
currently
undertaking
for
moved
expanding
the
bike
share
system
in
more
wards
across
the
city
is
proceeding
based
on
a
data
driven
study
that
they
completed
in
2016,
with
financial
support
from
metro
links,
the
public
transit
infrastructure
fund
from
the
federal
government
and,
to
some
extent,
from
the
city
as
well
as
developers.
The
current
plan
does
not
include
the
area
proposed
in
the
councillor
Ainsley's
motion
data
did
not
support
expansion
to
this
area.
F
That
trips
would
not
generate
enough
revenue
to
have
the
bike
share
system
be
operational
in
this
area
without
a
substantial
operating
loss,
so
there
are
operating
losses
and
we
we
don't
think
that,
based
on
the
data,
that's
been
undertaken
to
date
on
the
feasibility
to
expand
that
this
area
would
make
sense
at
this
time.
Thank.
H
You
and
if
I
have
time
for
a
follow-up,
someone
came
to
speak
to
us
today
about
a
different
bicycle
technology
that
is
reported
to
be
less
costly.
I
wondered
if
you
could
comment
through
through
the
chair
on
any
research,
you've
done
on
other
technologies
and
any
work
you've
done
to
examine
a
business
case
to
switch
technologies
to
something
like
what
was
talked
to
us
or
what
was
presented
to
us
today.
F
Thanks
councillor,
we
did
meet
with
bike
share
drop
bike
staff.
Excuse
me
back
in
May
of
2017
to
understand
their
interest
in
expanding
to
Toronto
the
partnership
that
they
had
at
the
time
with
the
University
of
Toronto
Students
Union.
So
staff
have
met
with
representatives
of
the
drop
bike
company
that
spoke
with
pubic
today,
the
original
or
the
most
recent
contract,
through
a
request
for
proposals
process
that
the
Toronto
parking
authority
undertook,
did
include
some
bidders
that
have
non
docked
system,
so
a
dock
lift
system
and
it
was
through
the
competitive
evaluation
of
that
process.
H
Is
there
any
future
to
continue
looking
at
different
technologies
of
Dhokla
systems?
I
recognize
that
at
the
time
of
the
tender
and
the
specifications
were
the
specifications,
but
then
just
keep
changing
I
keep
hearing
different
things
every
day
about
what's
available.
What's
out
there?
Is
there
a
future,
or
are
we
really
just
looking
to
continue
what
we've
got
right
now.
F
Thanks
counselor
speaker,
there's,
certainly
a
future
for
advances
in
technology
as
long
as
the
right
contracts
are
in
place
to
have
those
types
of
technology.
Advancements
in
this
industry,
the
City
of
Hamilton,
when
they
undertook
a
contract
for
Bike
Share
systems,
actually
just
prior
to
Toronto's.
F
H
F
H
F
H
F
E
E
E
E
F
E
E
E
B
Through
you,
chair,
I,
I
think
that
what
we've
learned
from
looking
at
other
North,
American
cities
and
bike-share,
is
that,
although
perhaps
geographically
based
bike
share,
doesn't
exist
in
every
neighborhood
in
the
city
today.
The
areas
where
it
serves
are
where
we
have
the
most
population,
because
to
your
point,
about
subsidy
and
trying
to
have
the
balance
between
access
to
the
bike
share
system
and
the
least
amount
of
subsidy.
You
want
multiple
rides
per
bike
per
day,
and
so,
when
TPA
looks
to
expand
into
suburban
areas,
they're
looking
at
the
capacity
for
a
growing
there's.
B
B
B
A
F
The
speaker
Metrolinx
as
a
partner,
does
contribute
to
the
capital
expansion
right.
They
have
not
concluded
to
the
operating
subsidy
to
the
program
and
there
would
have
to
be.
There
would
have
to
be
discussions
with
other
potential
partners
that
are
mentioned
in
the
motion,
such
as
U
of
T
Scarborough
and
Centennial
College.
But
those
are
not
typically
the
types
of
partners
that
would
subsidize
operating
programs
so.
F
The
speaker,
Metrolinx
has
provided
some
clear
guidance
to
the
toronto
parking
authority
about
what
their
investment
should
go
to
from
a
capital
perspective,
that
it
needs
to
be
centered
around
go
station
and
TTC
expansion,
but
operating
the
operating
they
have
not
supported,
have
not
no,
they
have
not.
Okay.
Thank
you.
C
B
F
B
C
Just
let
you
know
I
was
going
to
propose
that
we
prefer
this
to
staff,
meaning
councillor
Ainsley's
issue
and
then
also
in
the
same
report.
Ask
them
to
tag
on
this
issue
that
we've
heard
from
a
deputy
deputy
today
about
the
darkness
bike
sharing,
so
I'll
just
leave
out
will
just
hold
that
and
then
we'll
go
back
to
councillor
Ainsley.
K
Okay,
good
morning,
everybody
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
removing
this
I
hadn't.
The
agenda,
actually
I,
do
have
to
be
in
Scarborough
at
an
event,
a
very
exciting
event
that
Meritor
is
holding
with
a
private
donor
that
are
gonna,
be
naturalizing,
some
of
our
our
hydro
quarters.
What
I'm
asking
today
is
to
consider
asking
requesting
we
report
a
staff
for
bike,
share
a
pilot
project
in
southeastern
Scarborough
and
as
a
bit
of
context.
I
just
want
to
show
you,
so
this
is
currently
the
bike
share
stations
that
are
within
the
City
of
Toronto.
K
As
staff
said,
they
go
out
as
far
as
Humber
Bay.
You
can
get
off
at
the
exhibition.
Go
train
station
and
walk
right
to
a
bike
share
station.
The
furthest
East
it
goes
is
Victoria
Park.
This
is
what
we
commonly
referred
to
as
the
orphan
bike
station.
It's
the
only
one
east
of
Victoria
Park
in
Toronto
further
bit
of
context.
This
is
my
ward,
so
my
ward
here
is
the
the
blue
area
up
here,
I'm
asking
for
a
pilot
project
in
southeastern
Toronto.
K
One
of
the
the
frustrating
things
that
residents
of
my
area
have
expressed
to
me
is
the
lack
of
a
bike
share
program.
They
look
at
what's
happening,
downtown,
Toronto
and
there's
nothing
in
eastern
Toronto.
This
is
my
ward.
That's
outlined
here
in
blue
some
of
the
main
there's
a
package
of
letters
correspondence
before
you.
This
is
University
of
Toronto
Centennial
College
has
the
campus
here
has
another
campus
here.
This
is
the
Toronto.
This
is
the
Toronto
Pan
Am
center
here
our
major
retail
area,
Morningside
crossing
here
here
in
Park,
Breck,
senator
Morningside
library.
K
There's
some
comments
about
Metrolinx.
This
is
the
retail
GO
train
station.
The
Gil
BOGO
train
station
there's
another
one
further
out
here:
there's
an
email
from
metro
links
in
your
package
that
says
they're
very
supportive
of
any
anything
that's
put
forward
by
the
City
of
Toronto,
including
a
pilot
project.
So
this
is
the
area
they
major.
All
of
these
organizations
from
the
Toronto
Public
Library
Metrolinx
University
of
Toronto
Scarborough
Centennial
Campus,
have
all
Scarborough
Boys
and
Girls
Club
Scarborough
storefront
is
the
one
community
hub
in
our
area.
They've
all
put
forward
letters
of
support.
K
They
would
like
to
see
more
cycling
infrastructure
in
the
city.
One
of
the
concerns
that
are
comments
that
I
often
hear
is
I've
said
well,
there
isn't
enough
support.
We
have
three
cycling
clubs,
one
inward
44,
that's
beside
us
as
well,
my
Ward
Ward
36.
They
said
well
up
for
a
feasibility
study
from
the
Toronto
parking
authority.
They've
I've
never
actually
been
consulted.
University
of
Toronto
Centennial
Campus
are
both
very
huge
resident
student
areas.
They
they
actually
run
bike
repair
programs.
K
They've
said
they
would
like
to
be
some
type
of
partner
they'd
like
to
consider
financial
partnerships,
Metrolinx
I'm
sure
all
of
you
have
seen
there's
been
reports.
Lately,
Metrolinx
is
looking
charging
for
parking
that
they
are
trying
to
deal
with.
What
a
project
that's
called
the
last
mile
and
reduce
their
parking
residents
of
my
area
are
saying:
half
we
can
park
we'd
like
to
write
bikes.
If
we
already
have
bike
Lots
in
particular,
my
my
ward
Gil
will
go
train
station.
The
bike
lockers
are
full
all
the
time.
K
There's
been
repeated
requests
about
why
they
don't
have
a
bike
share
program
in
Scarborough.
One
of
the
other
things
we're
doing
in
terms
a
public
transit
and
trying
to
close
the
loop
is
the
Eglinton
East
LRT,
which
is
going
to
run
from
the
Kennedy
subway
station,
which
is
over
here.
It's
going
to
run
through
here,
Kingston
Road
and
up
to
UTSC
so
having
a
bike
share
around
that
would
be
very
useful
and
beneficial,
and
it
would
help
include
the
infrastructure
what
long
the
short
of
it
I
think.
K
There's
a
high
demand
for
this
I
want
I
can
continue
to
work
with
the
Toronto
parking
authority.
All
the
partners
that
I've
listed
in
the
motion
in
the
package
of
letters
before
you,
because
I
think
this
is
a
very
feasible
project
that
can
move
this
forward
and
to
start
closing
the
gap
in
ease
in
eastern
Toronto.
Thank
you.
B
K
I
It
takes
up
a
lot
of
real
estate
on
the
sidewalk
and
with
accessibility,
issues
and
mobility
challenges.
I
think
you
know
just
just
to
explore
it,
whether
it
works
or
whether
it
doesn't
we'd.
We
would
be
foolish
not
to
explore
this
kind
of
concept.
Thank
you
because
we
want
bikes
everywhere,
including
in
the
suburbs.
L
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm,
just
I'm
excited
and
quite
surprised
about
the
sudden
sudden
enthusiasm
for
free
floating
bike
bike
technology.
Here
from
the
committee
and
I'm
surprised,
because
in
September
2017
you
received
an
item
asking
for
a
staff
report
simply
asking
for
a
staff
report
where
transportation
staff
would
work
with
with
the
TPA
and
the
energy
and
environment
office
to
come
back
and
talk
about
how
we
could
better
integrate
this
technology
into
our
new
system.
I
know
you
received
the
report
cuz.
L
It
was
a
letter
from
myself
with
making
that
recommendation
after
having
met
with
drop
bike
about
their
technology.
Having
seen
them
around
the
city,
they
are
the
only
company
in
the
space
I
think
it's
a
to
recognize
that
there
are
other
companies
in
the
space,
but
this
the
deputing
was
quite
right
that
it's
not
necessarily
their
bikes.
That
are
the
important
part.
It's
there.
It's
the
it's,
the
lock
the
lock
could
actually
potentially
save
us
a
lot
of
headaches
with
finding
space
to
put
these
docking
stations.
I
know
there
are
complications
and
issues
with.
L
L
I
represent
a
ward
that
is
well
serviced
by
Ward
19
and
thank
you
very
much.
Do
they
the
taxpayers
of
across
the
city,
but
in
particular
in
Ward
7
for
first
supporting
that,
of
course,
of
course,
I.
Don't
think
anyone
is
listening
to
that
rhetoric
anymore,
a
counselor
may
milady,
but
it's
fine
to
keep
saying
it,
but
the
it
is
difficult
to
find
space
because
we
are
all
jockeying
for
space
in
the
public
right-of-way.
There
are
patios
that
need
space.
There
are
regular
bike,
locks
or
newspaper
boxes.
L
I
did
forward
my
motion
from
September
2017
to
the
clerk
and
sees
he'd
the
chair
in
hopes
that
someone
would
move
it
for
it,
but
it
looks
like
your
chair
is
taking
carriage
of
it
through
that
motion
and
and
I'm
really
happy
for
that,
because
I
think
that
this
is
a
necessary
step
forward
on
the
one
other
point
I
will
say,
though,
is
we
can't
end
up
with
a
situation
where
we
have
a
bunch
of
private
companies
fighting
for
the
space?
That
is
very,
very
important.
L
Everyone
owns
an
Amsterdam
bicycle
rental
company,
and
there
are
so
many
bikes
that
are
that
have
been
put
on
their
streets
and
on
their
bike,
locks
they're
running
out
of
space
for
people
that
actually
live
there
and
don't
use
a
rental
service.
I.
Think
Seattle
is
the
other
example
of
when
they
were
struggling
or
I
might
be
wrong
at
San
Francisco.
E
Okay,
yeah
I'm,
switching
from
the
language
that
says
South,
East
Scarborough
to
the
to
all
areas
of
Toronto
and
the
reason
I'm
doing.
That
is
because
this
has
been
an
ongoing
conversation
for
many
years
with
the
Toronto
parking
authority
and
the
same
logic
has
been
given
to
all
of
us.
We
can't
have
a
pilot
project
in
your
area
because
we
can't
afford
it,
and
so,
if
we
can't
afford
it
in
in
in
your
quest,
how
is
it
that
we're
gonna
afford
it
in
Scarborough
I?
Think
a
much
larger
plan
needs
to
take
place.
E
I
voted
against
it
because
I
didn't
agree
on
subsidizing
and
and
running
a
program
that
that
it
doesn't
work
financially
for
for
the
parking
authority
or
for
the
city
for
that
matter,
and
I've
always
maintained
that
it
should
be
a
private
sector
initiative
that
works
with
the
city,
but
at
their
expense
and
we're
starting
to
hear
from
other
companies
now,
which
is
which
is
good
news
where
councillor
Layton
and
others
don't
like.
Don't
don't
want
us
to
do
is
is
to
look
at
the
private
sector
for
these
kinds
of
models
anymore.
E
E
However,
every
time
we
have
to
hear
about
how
wonderful
a
bike,
a
city
that
runs
a
bike
bike
system
at
all,
the
only
speak
of
Amsterdam
and
how
great
Amsterdam
is
so,
if
answers
that
is
that
great?
How
is
it
that
you're
finding
flaw
in
in
the
great
city
that
they
use
as
an
example
for
bikes
I've
been
there,
and
there
are
more
bikes
than
cars
in
Amsterdam
and
the
infrastructure,
quite
frankly,
is
needed.
Counsels
of
Ainslie
wants
me
to
wrap
up.
E
It's
a
you
know
why
it's
a
pet
peeve
council
I
have
to
congratulate
you
by
the
way,
because
I'm
glad
you
did
this
it's
it's
now.
Opening
up
the
eyes
of
the
rest
of
us
outside
of
the
downtown
core,
and
it's
also
suggesting
that
many
people
are
gonna
start
talking
like
me
out
there
as
I've
heard
council
early
speak
speak
today.
He
asked
the
question
about
north
of
401.
That's
fantastic,
I
feel,
like
I'm
being
echoed
here.
C
All
right,
Wow,
nice
to
see
okay,
so
I've
I'm,
going
to
ask
the
clerk's
to
put
my
motion
up
again.
I
just
wanted
people
to
be
aware
of
what
what
I
was
proposing.
So
it's
it's
really
twofold.
It's
addressing
councilor
Aames,
eased
Ainsley's
motion
or
request
to
come
back
in
the
first
quarter
of
2019
and
to
layer
on
to
that
this.
C
This
exciting
technology,
which
I've
been
hearing
about
more
recently
and
I,
would
love
to
meet
with
the
organization
to
talk
to
you
in
more
detail,
but
to
ask
that
the
report
includes
options
for
implementing
doclist
bike
sharing
technology.
I
think
that's
important.
It's
less
cumbersome
on
our
city
streets
and
possibly
they
don't
need
to
be
subsidized,
which
would
be
really
one
of
my
dreams
and
objectives.
I
think
is
to
not
you
know,
make
this
a
cost
implication
and
again
a
burden
for
taxpayers.
C
H
I
take
to
heart
what
councilor
mammal
lady
mentioned
about
the
ability
to
have
the
the
technology
and
other
wards
in
the
city
and
I
wondered
if
he
would
consider
it
a
friendly
amendment
to
change
the
word
in
before
Toronto
to
say
across
Toronto
last
ductless
bike
sharing
technology
across
stronger,
and
it
would
be
in
the
spirit
that
we're
looking
at
doing
this
on
a
larger
basis.
Sure.
C
C
C
F
C
It's
not
my
rules.
Robert's
Rules
are
not
my
rules.
There
are
procedures
this.
It's
the
purse,
it's
council
procedures,
so
you
have
to
go
back
and
change
the
procedures.
Okay,
let's,
let's
actually
start
the
agenda
now
and
go
back
to
the
top,
which
is
the
first
item.
Is
the
PW
28.6
sewer
system
reduction?
Is
she
here?
Yes,
sewer
system,
flood
reduction
measures
in
the
rock
rock
clef
area
and
that
was
held
by
councillor
holiday
but
I
know
that
counts?
Are
none.
Xia
has
some
questions
or
can.
C
M
Thanks
very
much
just
by
way
of
introduction
I'm
with
club,
coffee,
Toronto
business,
since
1906
we've
got
more
than
250
workers
in
Rexdale
at
skilled
work,
highly
skilled
worked,
actually
good
pay,
good
benefits
and
most
of
those
are
because
of
growing
consumer
demand
for
a
compostable
pod,
which
doesn't
really
play
a
key
role
in
your
immediate
content
in
question
here.
But
why
am
I
talking
about
it
in
the
blue
bin
issue?
M
Well,
I
want
to
go
back
to
2011
for
a
moment
when
our
coffee
company
first
saw
consumers
wanted
a
solution
to
the
concerns
they
had
about
the
waste
that
they
associate
with
single,
serve
coffee
and
I
know
we'll
come
back
to
that
moment.
We
looked
at
recyclable
and
we
rejected
it
at
that
time.
Why?
Because
we
know
consumers,
and
this
is
critical
in
terms
of
the
entire
contamination
issue.
We
know
that
in
the
case
of
single
serve
people
choose
it
for
variety,
for
quality
and
above
all,
convenience
you
pop
it
in
the
brewer.
M
You
add
some
water,
you
push
a
button.
You've
got
a
good
cup
of
coffee.
Convenience
drives
the
single
serve,
and
this
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
fundamental
issues
that
our
friends
in
solid
waste
have
to
contend
with
in
dealing
with
contamination,
convenience
Drive
single
serve
and
we
didn't
see
convenience
in
a
recyclable
option.
We
saw
something
that
couldn't
deliver
in
real
life,
deliver
results
in
real
life
and
could
potentially
create
other
problems.
I'd
encourage
you
to
take
a
couple
of
minutes.
M
If
you
want
to
see
a
particularly
frankly
funny,
video
last
August
Peter
couldn't
brower
in
the
financial
post
on
their
website
did
one
where
he
tried
to
take
apart
a
recyclable
pod.
It
was
not
very
successful,
taking
each
part
of
taking
gear,
putting
it
there
putting
at
the
other
place
yeah
it's
a
great
video,
and
it
underlines
the
challenge
that
comes
with
new
products
hitting
the
market
for
the
waste
stream.
M
So
it's
no
wonder
why
back
when
we
were
looking
at
this-
and
this
is
five
years
ago
now,
our
research
predicted
and
our
knowledge
of
consumer
markets
predicted
the
vast
majority
of
consumers
wouldn't
do
it.
They
wouldn't
take
it
apart.
Our
research
now
confirms
that
they
don't
and
I
believe
that
in
Bax,
always
staffs
as
we
saw
in
the
reports,
have
come
to
the
same
conclusion
from
their
evidence.
We
know
from
our
own
evidence
that
most
single
serve
drinkers
who
are
in
non-compostable
formats.
M
M
M
Think
staff
makes
this
point
contaminating
the
plastic
in
the
paper
that
are
in
those
streams
now
consumer
education
and
we'll
get
to
this
in
more
detail
in
the
next
item
on
your
agenda
is
critical
to
these
things,
and
there
are
some
issues
that
you
can
communicate
to
improve
what
people
do,
but
some
just
run
into
the
harsh
realities
of
human
nature.
You
can't
reverse
engineer
some
things.
You
can't
make
an
inconvenient
solution
work
with
a
convenience
driven
product,
so
when
someone
says
we
can
wake
this
work
ask
for
the
evidence.
Ask
for
real
data.
M
M
Why
we're
working
with
your
solid
waste
staff
to
find
ways
to
to
drive
food
waste
like
coffee,
the
only
place
where
it
really
belongs,
where
your
policies
say
it
belongs,
which
is
the
green
bin,
and
that's
why
we
believe
that
all
single-serve
coffee
actually
needs
to
shift
to
a
certified
compostable
format
that
actually
works
in
real
life
actually
works
in
the
real
world
of
these.
The
kinds
of
systems
that
the
City
of
Toronto
and
other
municipalities
have
as
well.
M
M
I
I
So
I'm,
just
just
in
light
of
everything,
that's
going
on,
we
counsel,
late
and
I
actually
have
a
communication.
With
with
this
about
plastics
and
I
know,
councillor
Robinson
has
working
on
the
black
plastics
materials
as
well.
So,
just
with
regards
to
other
municipalities,
where
are
we
at
like?
Are
we
behind?
Are
we
ahead?
Are
we?
What
more
can
we
be
doing
in
your
through.
N
You,
madam
chair
I,
would
say
we're
ahead.
We
we
have
probably
one
of
the
most
sophisticated
recycling
systems
in
North
America
right
now.
We
accept
some
materials
that
other
municipalities
do
not.
That
is
partly
because
of
economies
of
scale.
We
produce
enough
material
that
it
actually
allows
us
to
do
that.
We
are
in
terms
of
some
of
the
issues
that
are
aligned
in
the
report.
We
are
in
better
shape
than
a
lot
of
municipalities.
N
We
made
some
investments
and
some
contract
changes
last
year
that
went
through
committee
and
council
in
kind
of
preparation
for
some
of
these
issues
that
has
put
us
in
a
better
standing
than
where
some
of
our
neighbors
are
right.
Now
that
are
currently
bringing
forward
even
uglier
reports
than
this
one
is
in
terms
of
financial
impact.
I
N
I
C
K
Ma'am
chair,
my
understanding
of
the
policy
was
that
we,
we
would
not
sell
it
in
city
facilities,
but
we
would
continue
to
acknowledge
that
we
had
existing
contracts
with
vending
companies
and
our
suppliers,
and
we
would
continue
on
with
those
arrangements.
It
wasn't
a
termination
of
any
existing
arrangement.
It
was
just
on
a
go-forward
basis.
Okay,.
I
And
can
you
talk
about
the
contamination,
which
is
always
a
pet
peeve
of
mine
and
as
I
have
griped
endlessly
I
even
see
creamers
in
the
green
bins
here?
On
the
second
floor,
I'd
like
to
hide
in
a
balaclava
and
and
hunt
those
culprits
down,
but
I
mean
if
we
can't
even
figure
out
how
to
divert
our
waste
and
recycle
property.
How
do
we
expect
a
regular
Torontonians
to
do
that?
N
Okay,
that's
a
big
question
through
you,
madam
chair,
to
start
with
through
education.
We
do
a
lot
of
education,
a
lot
of
promotion,
advertising
and
I
would
say.
We
are
absolutely
the
leaders
in
getting
the
message
out
and
and
innovation
and
education,
multiple
languages
I
think
is
18
or
19
different
languages
that
we
translate
all
our
material
into
to
try
and
target
different
new
populations
coming
into
the
city
we
are
over
the
last
year
or
so
have
started
moving
forward
with
more
aggressive
enforcement
of
our
programs
as
well.
N
In
some
cases,
single-family
curbside,
where
we're
actually
sending
people
door-to-door
looking
at
bins,
identifying
what's
wrong
in
those
bins,
leaving
notices
behind
we'll
go
back
out
a
second
time.
If
we
see
that
bin
still
has
been
contamination
in
it,
we'll
push
that
bin
back
and
refuse
to
collect
it.
We
started
that
as
a
pilot
late
in
the
fall
saw
some
pretty
good
success,
so
we're
gonna
go
much
larger-scale,
starting
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
Now
that
the
weather
is
a
bit
better
and
and
move
forward
to
that.
N
So
it's
more,
you
know
we
do
everything,
sort
of
mass
communication.
Now
we're
moving
more
to
at
the
door
or
at
the
the
building
or
working
in
the
multi-residential
context,
with
the
building
owners,
the
bill,
the
property
managers
trying
to
get
that
message
directly
to
residents
directly
to
tenants
that
this
is
a
huge
financial
impact
and
it's
one
that's
entirely
within
the
control
of
the
city
to
manage,
because
it's
all
about
behavior.
What's.
N
I
N
So
a
lot
of
this
ties
into
a
circular
economy,
and
so
we're
actively
involved
with
producers
of
this
product
and
and
trying
to
work
through
what
we
call
extended
producer.
Responsibility,
where
the
the
companies
that
are
responsible
for
putting
the
products
and
the
packaging
into
the
market
in
the
first
place
are
ultimately
also
responsible
for
the
management
of
that
product
or
packaging.
At
the
end
of
its
life
and
when
I
say
responsible.
N
Not
only
the
programs
and
services,
but
also
the
cost
of
doing
so,
and
putting
the
cost
on
to
the
people
who
are
actually
putting
the
packaging
into
the
market
in
the
first
place.
And
that's
really
what
a
circular
economy
about
is
connecting
all
those
dots
right
through
the
lifecycle
of
a
product
or
a
package.
And
so
we're
actively
involved
through
the
group
that
we
said.
N
You,
madam
chair,
absolutely
any
types
of
lending
libraries
tool
share,
nonprofit
organizations
we're
working
on
a
big
textile
strategy
right
now
that
engages
groups
like
Canadian
Diabetes
Association.
All
these
types
of
community
groups
that
are
out
there
that
in
some
cases,
are
already
providing
these
services.
We
don't
necessarily
need
to
take
the
service
on.
We
can
just
enable
them
to
do
even
more.
Okay,.
N
A
But
some
of
these
apartments,
like
some
of
the
not
even
necessarily
high-rise,
but
for
this
tenant
they
have
and
some
of
the
even
some
of
the
old
condominium
buildings
they
have
their
own
private
collection
right,
and
so
how
are
we?
Because
they
have
private
collection?
How
are
we
enforcing
the
bylaws?
You.
N
Madam
chair,
the
short
answer
is
we're
not
because
we
don't
actually
have
if
they're
using
private
collection,
we
don't
actually
have
any
degree
of
control
over
the
actual
collection
and
what
happens
that
material.
That
is
something
as
always
we're
working
on
right
now
and
we'll
bring
that
forward
through
the
committee
and
council
process.
Is
there
a
way
to
build
into
the
bylaw
to
actually
require,
regardless
of
who's,
providing
the
service
they
that
they
offer
that
the
three
stream
service
to
their
residents?
Oh.
A
So
when
sometimes
in
these
areas
giving
an
example,
my
area,
okay,
well
I,
said
where
there's
retail
they
could
in
tenants
on
top
where
you
see
that
they're
throwing
out
all
their
garbage
recycling
all
that
together
in
one
bin,
you
you
can
so
in
that
case
like
what
do
we
do,
we
go
through
the
bins
and
how
do?
How
do
we
charge
them
so
right
now?
That
does.
N
So
we
we
work
both
our
own
staff
and
in
partnership
with
municipal
licensing
and
standards,
to
enforce
the
bylaws
that
we
do
have
in
some
cases.
Now,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
sending
basically
inspectors
out
to
start
inspecting
these
bins.
Identifying
we've
really
focused
in
on
the
recycling
bins
right
now,
because
that's
the
big
issue
of
the
day
to
get
that
material
cleaner,
but
literally
going
door-to-door
lifting
those
bins
and
seeing
what's
in
there
and
leaving
notices
that
it
has
to
be
cleaned
out.
So.
L
N
N
L
N
It
well
it,
and
this
is
where
it
becomes
a
bit
of
semantics-
that
little
label
actually
does
mean
that
it's
recyclable,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
it's
recyclable
in
a
municipal
program
and,
and
that
becomes
the
challenge.
So
black
plastic
trays
is
the
best
example.
It
looks
like
recycling,
it
feels
we're
actually
cycling,
it's
labeled
as
recycling.
We
can
accept
it
as
recycling
in
our
program
and
how.
L
N
The
cost
of
contamination
right
now,
based
on
where
we're
now
up
in
the
25
to
30
percent,
range
we're
estimating
a
spike.
That's
what
the
forecast
is
for
18
of
around
9.2
million.
That's
comprised
of
two
numbers.
One
is
an
additional
four
million
and
processing
cost
because
the
more
garbage
there
is
in
there,
the
more
yeah
and
the
more
garbage
that
is
in
the
recycling,
the
more
damage
it
does
to
the
actual
good
recycling.
That's
in
there
and
when
our
good
recycling
gets
damaged,
it's
worth
less
to
sell
it
into
the
marketplace.
So.
L
Black
plastics
aren't
recyclable,
but
plastics
of
the
same
material,
any
other
color
recyclable.
That's
correct,
coffee,
lids,
black
coffee,
lids,
no,
not
recyclable.
That's
correct
coffee,
lids
of
any
other
color.
Yes,
so
a
little
blue
I
guess
it
wouldn't
be
blue
dye,
because
that
would
just
make
it
more
black,
but
a
little
bit
of
a
color
change
and
all
of
a
sudden
goes
from
non
recyclable,
costing
us
nine
point:
two
million
dollars
a
year
to
recyclable
in
simple
terms:
yes,
simple
terms,
straws
anything
we
can
do
both
straws
they're,
not
black,
they're,
not
recyclable.
L
No,
no
is
it
the
type
of
plastic
it
is.
Do
we
have
the
number
from
the
black
plastic
yet
or
we're
working
on
it?
So
let
me
let
me
ask
you:
I
actually
bought
brought
my
lunch
and
it's
left
over,
but
banjaras
from
a
great
any
in
place
at
blue
and
and
and
Crawford
you
should
go.
They
had
a
recent
fire
they'll
be
open
again
soon.
The
neighbor
had
a
recent
fire,
so
I
get
takeout
on
occasion.
L
Yes,
but
I
reuse
them
your
your
measure
of
how
how
much
of
a
neighbor
you
are
in
my
neighborhood
is
how
many
been
jars
containers
there.
You
have
at
home
because
you
reason
so
they
recently
switched
from
a
black
bottom
and
a
clear
top
to
a
white
bottom
in
a
clear
top.
So
that
means
that
this
is
recyclable
entirely,
where
the
other
one
was
not.
That's
correct.
It's
a
pretty
simple
change
to
make.
Do
we
have
that
number
about
how
much.
L
C
B
N
B
H
You,
madam
chair,
this,
the
information
this
report
really
worries
me
and
I
was
thinking
about
this.
I
was,
as
I
was
washing
out
a
jam
jar
a
couple
of
days
ago,
before
I
put
it
in
the
recycling
bin,
but
I
wonder
if
staff
could
elaborate
just
how
damaging
you
know.
A
half
jar
of
mayonnaise
is
if
it's
thrown
into
the
blue
bin
and
what
the
implication
is,
how
much
of
a
load
can
be
rejected?
Where
does
it
go
that
type
of
stuff
so.
N
To
give
me
an
example
on
the
quality
specifications
that
now
exist
largely
due
to
the
change
in
China
a
piece
of
paper
with
a
coffee
stain
on
it
is
now
garbage
previously
that
would
have
still
been
able
to
be
recycled.
So
a
half
jar
of
mayonnaise
into
a
blue
bin
on
the
street
can
ruin
the
entire
contents
of
that
blue
bin.
If
it
gets
mixed
around
enough,
it
could
theoretically
ruin
the
entire
contents
of
the
truck.
H
N
We
we've
implemented
a
number
of
inspection
points.
Now
the
first
one
is
at
the
transfer
station.
So
if
a
recycling
truck
comes
in
with
a
heavily
contaminated
load,
we
can
move
some
of
that
material
around
even
with
the
loader
on
the
floor
at
the
transfer
station.
The
next
step
is,
it
goes
to
the
recycling
facility
and
there's
a
series
of
checkpoints
all
the
way
through
the
processing
facility,
either
either
manual
or
mechanical.
That
will
remove
different
types
of
contamination.
N
You
know
the
pizza
box,
with
the
cheese
still
squished
on
it
will
be
removed
now,
as
contamination,
the
une
fiber
that
has
organic
material
on
it,
gets
removed
all
those
sorts
of
things
at
various
checkpoints
in
the
system
get
removed.
The
problem
is,
is
that
every
checkpoint
in
the
system
has
a
cost
associated
with
it,
so
it
becomes
a
very
expensive
way
of
managing
garbage.
N
H
H
I
mean
we
put
plenty
of
stuff
in.
We
do
our
best
to
wash
it
and
I
get
it.
It's
it's
hard,
it's
hard
to
rinse
out
containers.
Do
you
feel
that
there
is
an
adequate
level
of
education
to
the
public,
about
the
damage
that
dirty
cans
and
bottles
and
and
and
stain
paper
does
to
the
recycling
stream
and
ultimately,
the
cost
I.
N
Think
through
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
there's
always
an
opportunity
to
do
more
education
to
get
that
message
out.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
haven't
done.
Enforcement
is
also
a
good
educational
tool
to
to
make
them
fully
aware
of
what
the
costs
are
of
these
types
of
issues,
rather
than
just
telling
them
what
they
are,
so
that
they
actually
see
it
in
their
pocketbook.
N
N
H
N
You,
madam
chair,
yes,
that
is
the
concern,
is
that
those
entire
bundles,
the
bales,
the
sea
containers,
if
they
the
way
it's
working
the
inspections
in
China
right
now,
if
they
open
up
the
back
doors
on
a
sea
container
and
they
even
smell
something
like
garbage,
they
will
shut
those
doors,
reject
the
entire
sea
container
and
then
it
gets
shipped
somewhere.
It
can
be
shipped
back.
It
can
be
shipped
to
another
market.
India
is
taking
some
of
that
material
right
now,
but
that's
how
strict
they've
gotten
at
the
the
Chinese
border
so.
E
N
E
Talk
about
that
for
a
second
resident
that
that
notices,
some
mayonnaise
on
a
newspaper
they
just
read,
decides
that
it
doesn't
belong
in
in
the
recycling.
It
belongs
in
the
garbage
and
then
your
folks
come
out
and
reject
the
garbage
because
they
notice
a
newspaper
in
it.
What
are
they
supposed
to
do?.
N
N
Well,
that's
that's
news
to
me,
madam
chair,
but
if
you
have
those
buildings
or
locations,
we'd
be
good
happy
to
look
into
that
to
figure
out
why
that
happened.
Obviously,
we
want
people
to
recycle
that
we
don't
want
to
stop
people
from
recycling
and
we
try
to
encourage
people
to
do
the
best
job
recycling
as
possible,
but
other
than
the
issues
with
the
program.
That's
our
focus.
How.
E
N
N
E
Why
don't
we
just
sort?
Isn't
it
cheaper
if
we
just
sort
it
all
out
and
we
go
back
to
residents
just
throwing
it
into
a
bin
so
that
we
could
do
it
as
a
city
and
recycle
on
our
own
and
sort
it
out
and
bring
it
to
where
it's
supposed
to
go?
Isn't
it
cheaper
to
do
it
that
way
than
what
we're
currently
expecting
and
the
chances
of
us
having
to
go
back
and
charge?
More
is
probably
inevitable.
I
would
imagine
through.
N
You,
madam
we're,
actually
working
on
a
project
like
that
right
now
that
if
we
asked
residents
just
to
throw
it
all
in
one
bin,
what
sort
of
technology
may
exist
out
there
that
would
sort
it
out
on
their
behalf?
What
are
the
costs
associated
with
that
technology?
What's
the
quality
of
the
material
that
comes
out
of
the
box,
not
that
stupid
of
a
question?
No,
it's
it's
absolutely
a
fair
question
and
there's
a
lot
of
large
urban
municipalities
that
are
struggling
with
this
issue.
Asking
the
exact
same
question.
E
N
N
N
L
O
O
O
And
I,
often
like
I
sort
of
aluminum,
with
with
some
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
residual
food.
You
got
to
scrape
that
off
to
get
to
put
it
into
the
recycling
bin
right
like
it's.
How
do
people?
How
do
people
find
that
stuff
out?
How
do
they?
How
do
they
get
to
know
that
I
think
that
most
people
would
would
want
to
to
be
helpful
to
you
and
I
think
that
most
people
would
like
to
in
good
conscience?
Do
it
the
right
way?
O
N
O
Have
you
ever
thought
about?
You
know
like
at
least
initially,
some
upfront
monies
are
on
a
real
campaign.
You
know
like
radio
ads
television
ads
things
like
that,
so
that
so
that,
while
you
it
might
cost
you
some
money
up
front
like
all
the
things
you
mentioned,
I
can
tell
you
from
from
the
kind
of
word
that
I
represent
online
tools,
multi-language
kiosk
information
bulletins.
O
N
It
through
you,
madam
chair,
all
those
things
you
mentioned,
we're
also
doing
all
of
those
we
have
radio
ads.
We
have
television
ads.
We
have
subway
state
ads
in
the
subway
stations.
We
try
to
target
where
a
lot
of
people
are,
we've,
we've
done
it.
In
the
before
the
movie
starts
and
movie
theaters
you'll
see
an
ad
from
solid
waste.
Try
to
we've.
We've
tried
just
what
every
type
of
advertising
and
communication
we
can
imagine
that.
O
N
A
C
I've
got
a
few
I've
got
about
a
thousand
questions,
but
I
only
have
a
bit
of
time,
so
I
have
to
rein
that
in
so.
Basically,
if
I,
if
I
kind
of
drill
down
the
three
most
challenging
factors
here
are
contamination,
the
international
market
conditions
and
then
the
full
extended
producer
responsibility
model
that
the
province
has
not
really
come
through
on
I
mean
they've
been
working
on
it,
we've
been
working,
collaborating
with
them,
but
we
what's
a
delay
on
that.
Is
it
another
year
or
how
much
we.
N
C
N
C
C
Okay,
so
really,
though,
that's
a
good
synopsis,
I
guess
a
circular
economy.
You
and
I
have
had
many
conversations
about
that.
We've
had
conversations
with
the
Minister
of
Environment
about
that
you
and
your
mice.
Your
staff
and
I
have
gone
up
and
met
with
well
the
former
Minister
Glen
Murray,
and
had
great
conversations
about
that,
but
it
just
doesn't
seem
to
be.
It
just
seems
to
be
in
slow
motion.
Would
you
agree
it's
just
not
it's
not
making
its
way
through
the
provincial
bureaucracy.
N
C
N
C
N
C
What
I'm,
referring
to
okay,
which
has
been
pre,
circulated
to
committee,
so
legal
has
seen
this.
You
fully
support
this.
Do
you
think
these
motions
for
people
who
maybe
aren't
focused
on
the
environment
so
much
and
maybe
focus
more
on
fiscal
responsibility?
Do
these
motions
help
you
potentially
reduce
the
costs
that
may
be
affect
our
residents
in
the
city?
Yes,.
C
Really,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
these
are
positive
all
round
all
round
all
round
from
an
environmental
perspective,
but
also
financial
impact,
okay
and
then
just
on
the
I
guess
the
waste
wizard.
Is
there
any
way
to
make
that
clearer?
So,
for
instance,
if
you
look
at
putting
waste
in
this
place-
and
it
is
a
trip-
it's
a
terrific-
it's
a
terrific
initiative
and
program,
but
is
there
any
way
to
really
make
it
much
clearer?
C
So
it's
easier
to
navigate
for
residents,
for
instance,
of
above
the
green,
but
it
says,
take
food
items
out
of
plastic
bags
wraps
do
not
use
biodegradable
bags.
That
could
be
misinterpreted
is
that
you
can't
put
your
organics
in
a
grocery
bag
and
put
it
in
the
green
bin.
Is
there
any
way
to
kind
of
tackle
this
use
this
calendar
that
you've
got,
which
is
an
amazing
communication
piece
just
to
kind
of
make
it
more
to
simplify
and
make
it
the
language
clearer?
So
it's
easier
for
for
residents
to
navigate
that's.
N
C
I
mean
I,
think
it's
a
fantastic,
it's
fantastic
I
just
think
it
could
be
even
clearer
because,
as
we've
heard
today,
people
are
are
struggling
with
what
goes
in
their
green
bin.
What
goes
in
blue
bin
and
what
goes
in
garbage.
So
that's
really
helpful
to
hear
that
you're
going
to
tackle
that.
Okay,
that's
I,
think
the
last
question
my
time's
up
and
so
we're
gonna
move.
Two
speakers
now
and
I
just
want
to
again
a
advised
committee
that
I
have
pre
circulated
three
motions
that
I'm
going
to
be
moving
today.
C
L
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
We
counselor,
McMahon
and
ice
has
submitted
a
motion.
I
think
it
was
two
months
ago
now
that
one
that
requested
that
city
staff
undertake
a
review
of
some
of
these
contaminant
items
that
are
ending
up
in
our
recycling
stream
and
how
we
might
do
a
municipally
lead
extender
producer
responsibility
model
where
the
municipality
would
start
to
say.
You
know
what
this
isn't
working
for
us,
because
as
municipalities,
we
need
to
lead
because
we
are
the
ones
most
impacted.
L
That
can't
be
separated
out
that
that
we
didn't
talk
about
today,
but
when
a
piece
of
paper
has
a
piece
of
plastic
embedded
on
and
it's
the
same
thing,
it
doesn't
end
up
in
the
recycling
stream,
because
we
can't
process
it
and
put
it
readily
separate
those
things
easily.
So
we
need
to
send
an
indication
to
industry
that
they
need
to
make
it
easier
for
us
to
deal
with
their
things.
Yes
and
I
know
I'll
get
called
out
on
Twitter.
We
need
to
start
with
the
the
first
are.
L
We
need
to
reduce
the
amount
of
packaging
first,
but
we're
still
going
to
end
up
with
stuff
at
the
end,
and
we
need
to
focus
on
that.
Third
are
and
make
these
products
easier
for
us
to
deal
with
within
our
a
stream.
Councillor,
McMahon
and
I
submitted
a
motion
through
a
letter
to
a
communication
initiating
that
dialogue.
L
The
black
plastics,
the
single-use
cutlery,
the
the
the
plastic
straws,
the
coffee
lids,
because,
as
we
heard
it's
that
simple,
it's
the
exact
same
container
that
it
was
before,
except
this
isn't
black
and
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
recyclable
when
you
go
to
when
you
go
to
Canada's,
most
famous
coffee
chain
and
you
get
a
lid
there,
it's
not
recyclable,
but
you
go
down
the
street
to
the
independent
and
if
they
use
a
white
lid,
a
purple
lid,
a
blue
lid,
an
orange
lid.
All
of
those
are
recyclable.
L
It's
not
that
big
of
a
change
for
these
producers.
They
just
need
to
be
given
there
a
very
clear
indication
of
what
we
need
from
them
and
we
need
them
to
stop
using
things
that
don't
work
in
our
waste
room
again
under
the
preface
that
we
start
with
the
first
are.
We
should
be
reducing
our
single-use
everything,
but
two
steps
later
with
whatever's
left
needs
to
work
in
our
system,
because
it's
costing
us
money
so
I
would
beg
if
it's
not
I
haven't
seen
the
chairs
motions.
L
But
if
it's
not
in
there
very
specifically
to
look
at
municipal
bans
on
certain
types
of
products
that
aren't
recyclable,
recyclable
in
our
system,
I
would
beg
any
member
of
the
committee
to
just
pick
the
language
out
of
that
staff
wrote
for
councillor
McMahon
and
I,
plug
it
into
a
motion
and
put
it
on
the
floor.
If
not
I'm
going
to
a
council.
Thank
you.
C
C
Nitori
and
if
you
could
put
the
motions
on
the
on
the
screen,
I
work
closely
with
very
closely
with
staff
on
this
and
as
you've
heard,
they
run
it
by
illegal.
These.
This
is
a
big
problem
that
we
are
facing
at
a
city,
a
very
significant
problem
and
we're
it's
a
there's.
A
number
of
challenges
related
to
contamination,
as
you've
heard
the
international
market
conditions,
the
you
know
that
are
really
fluctuating
and
then
the
full
extended
producer
responsibility
model
that
we've
talked
about
for
four
years
and
on
as
part
of
our
waste
management
services.
C
So
I
won't
go
into
great
detail,
except
to
say
that
this
is
to
the
tune
of
nine
million
dollar
decrease
in
revenues.
That
is
significant
and
terrifying,
and
it
would
represent
a
three
percent
increase
to
our
rate,
our
rate,
our
rates
for
garbage
and
waste.
So
it's
something
that
this
committee
has
to
take
very
seriously
and
that's
why
I'm
putting
forward
these
motions,
because
contamination
has
been
increasing
since
2013
black
plastics
are
a
big
problem
and
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
tackle
them.
C
So
this
this
achieves
that,
hopefully,
as
a
process,
putting
a
process
in
place
as
well
the
tackling
the
green
bin
pieces
and
looking
at
products
and
packaging
and
and
how
you
know
how
much
you
can
recycle
them
and
compost
them
and
then
also
looking
at
one
of
my
Bane's
of
my
existences,
the
is
all
the
clothing.
There's
all
this
clothing.
My
garage
is
full
of
clothing
that
you
can't
that
you
can't
really
repurpose.
So
what
do
we
do
with
all
that?
A
textile
material?
C
Again
we've
heard
stories
in
the
media
on
both
both
those
issues,
the
garbage
the
the
recycling
as
well
as
textiles.
It's
been
all
over
the
media,
so
this
is
a
big
problem.
We
need
to
tackle
it
as
a
committee,
and
these
motions
will
hopefully
help
us
do
this,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
about
the
environment.
But
equally
it's
about
our
financial
impact
on
the
residents
and
I.
Don't
think
resin
should
end
up
holding
the
bag.
C
I
think
staff
are
doing
a
good
job
as
you've
heard,
going
out
and
and
doing
enforcement
and
and
and
and
doing
education,
but
I
think
we
need
to
increase
that
dramatically
and
up
that
and
there's.
This
is
a
very
complex
issue
and
very
important
issue
to
our
city,
so
I
hope
everybody's
going
to
support
these,
because
these
are
I
think
strong
emotions
that
will
help
us
get
where
we
need
to
go
over
over
the
long
term.
Is
there
any
questions
cows?
Oh,
you
want
to
speak.
Okay.
E
C
E
The
night
asked
staff
to
help
me
with
the
language
there
so
that
everybody's
happy
with
it.
If
I
would
like
to
see
a
a
model
that
it
incorporates
the
ability
for
for
residents
to
throw
everything
in
and
for
us
to
be
doing
the
separating
and
how
that
might
work
around
the
world
and
and
the
the
costs
associated
to
that.
So.
C
E
B
C
E
C
B
C
C
E
C
And
I'm
also
being
advised
that
it
would
take
a
year
and
a
half
to
two
years
to
finish
that
report
cuz
it's
a
big
undertaking,
but
it
is
so
just
to
give
you
a
bit
of
comfort.
It
is
in
the
long
term,
waste
management
strategy.
If
you
want
to
move
a
motion
to
highlight
that
or
enhance
that
or
fast-track
it,
but
they're
saying
it
would
take
a
year
and
a
half
minimum
I'm.
E
H
C
E
A
C
C
Have
one
question
for
you:
councillor,
Carmichael
grab:
would
you
like
to
put
a
timeline
on
that
just
because
otherwise
it
might
go
to
the
next
rate
supported
budget?
Oh,
you
have
that.
Did
you
write
that
in
there
no
I'm,
sorry
I,
don't
even
see
it,
so
that
would
mean
I
the
fourth-quarter
like
okay,
sorry,
I,
missed
that
go
ahead.
I
just.
C
O
Just
just
very
simply,
I
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
letting
people
know
what
how
and
they
should
be
separating
their
their
waste
because
I,
it's
just
I
I,
don't
think
we
get.
We
get
the
information
I
mean
I
I
was
you
know,
sitting
here
and
I
watch
television
from
time
to
time,
albeit
mostly
you
know,
the
occasional
movie
or
some
sport
event.
O
You
know
I
get
very,
very,
very,
very
little
information
and
and
other
than
that
calendar
that
I
have
sort
of
posted
in
on
the
inside
of
my
garage,
where
you
know
that
sort
of
keeps
me
on
track
in
terms
of
you
know
when
it's
garbage
day
when
it's
like
recycling
day
and
when
it's
like
yard
waste
and
and
things
like
that,
but
in
terms
of
what
what
to
put
where
and
how
to
do
that,
it's
it's
it's!
You
know
it's
kind
of
like
pay-as-you-go.
O
It's
like
hit
and
miss
and
and
I
think
we
need
to
do
I.
We
need
to
do
a
you
know,
a
better,
a
better
job
of
that,
maybe
something
on
the
recycling.
But
I,
don't
know
what
that
answer
is
I
I'm,
not
making
and
I
said
you
know,
overt
suggestions,
but
if
you're
not
reaching
me
and
I
read
I
ride
the
TTC
from
time
to
time,
I
checked
my
social
media,
occasionally
I'll
float
around
on
the
internet.
You
know
read
my
emails
reply
to
them
and
things
like
that
and
I'm
not
getting
it.
O
E
Staff
are
taking
note
of
this
particular
instance,
because
the
minute,
the
minute,
someone
picks
up
the
garbage
which,
which
turns
into
a
mound
that
a
dump
truck,
has
to
take
take
out
once
a
week.
That's
that's
from
everyone
in
the
area,
in
my
opinion,
that
doesn't
that
doesn't
have
room
in
their
garbage
bins
or
the
recycling
bins
and
are
throwing
on
the
side
to
the
sides
of
the
road
and
that's
happening
more
and
more
in
councilor.
E
Every
year,
I'd
like
to
see
us
change
that
to
a
different
model,
but
I'll
wait
until
we
spend
hundreds
of
millions
and
perhaps
billions
of
dollars
on
a
system
that
I
think
doesn't
work,
I
think
eventually,
staff
are
going
to
come
to
realize
that
and
they're
gonna
want
to
change
it.
So
this
allows
us
at
least
an
ability
to
look
at
that
when
the
time
comes,
so
the
system,
in
my
opinion,
doesn't
work.
The
fees
aren't
working.
E
It's
only
proving
to
us
that
vote
against
it
every
year
that
the
opposite
is
happening
at
curbside
and
I've
got
examples
of
that,
and
if
staff
want
to
go
right
now,
go
to
tor
berry
right
now
and
look
at
the
wonderful
dump
site
right
beside
the
new
subdivision.
That's
there!
That's
not
the
subdivision
doling
out
their
their
garbage
and
putting
it
there.
That's
the
whole
community
in
a
very
isolated
spot,
getting
away
with
throwing
their
garbage.
E
You
know
why
they're
throwing
it
there
because
it
doesn't
fit
in
their
bin
and
they
don't
want
to
pay
the
extra
costs
associated
to
bins.
That's
what's
going
on,
I
think
it's
happening
more
Thank
You
Nana
gave
us
an
example.
I
think
all
of
us
have
those
examples.
So,
let's
deal
with
this
once
and
for
all
and
get
the
city
to
do
what
they
have
to
do
and
that's
even
recycle
for
the
for
the
people.
If
that's
what
it
comes
down
to
councillor.
E
I
would
sooner
have
our
employees
doing
what
what
I
think
the
future
holds
even
right
now
and
have
them
separating
the
garbage,
then
then
going
and
giving
everybody
or
asking
our
residents
to
take
out
a
degree
on
how
to
throw
out
your
garbage
because
they
they
don't
know
if
a
coffee
stain
has
hit
the
wrong
piece
of
paper
or
whether
or
not
their
straw
is
going
to
be
accepted
this
week
and
there
been
as
councillor
pert
saw,
highlights
so
I.
You
know
for
now:
I
want
a
report
that
says
all
of
it.
H
E
H
E
In-House
could
could
mean
a
system
that
actually
separates
rated
curbside
as
well
with
a
truck
who
knows.
Okay,
that
might
be
possible
to
I
know
that
there
are
not
a
number
of
different
cities
around
the
world
that
are
trying
to
find
a
way
to
do
this.
So
if
there
are
systems
out
there,
let's
hear
what
they
are
and
then
make
a
decision
long
term
as
to
whether
we
want
that
right.
Okay,.
C
E
C
C
O
E
So
I,
don't
recall
me
saying
that,
like
I
said
I,
what
I
would
like
to
see
are
a
number
of
different
other
options
that
stop
the
the
fees
and
the
gouging
of
our
residents
and
our
taxpayers
to
stop
the
the
pretend
taxes
that
we're
calling
fees
for
garbage
pickup
and
for
us
to
recognize
that
the
system
that
we've
laid
out
to
all
of
our
taxpayers
is
not
working
and
you
can
and
we
can
we
can.
We
could
pretend,
like
we're
gonna
play
around
with
this
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna,
find
it
all
out.
E
O
E
It's
the
second
time
he's
asking
this
question
say
that
that's
the
system
I'm
looking
at
I'm,
saying
I,
want
to
see
from
staff
what
types
of
systems
are
out
there
all
I
know
is
that
now
we
we
can't
collect
black
black
plastic
over
white
plastic
and
we've
got
we've
got
our
manufacturing
base.
We
have.
We
have
people
that
employ
people
to
work
in
these
establishments
and
then
I've
got
I,
listen
to
councillor.
Layton
was
now
who's
now
calling
our
our
taxpayers
offenders
there
he's
using
this
kind
of
language.
E
Now
the
offender's
like
they've,
they've,
they've,
broken
the
law.
They've
done
something
incredibly
wrong
when
when
they
hire
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
people's
people
in
their
plants,
you
know
I
want
to
stop
this.
This
stuff,
that's
going
on
and
I
want
us
to
deliver
the
service
as
a
city
as
it
should
be,
and
not
ask
our
residents
to
start
washing
extra
dishes,
because
we're
not
we're
not
allowed
to
have
a
coffee
grind
and
left
in
a
jar
or
on
a
piece
of
paper
and
then
ruin
the
ruining
the
whole
batch.
It's
getting
ridiculous,
madam.
C
Shouldn't
because
I
want
to
make
a
point:
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
vote
for
this,
but
I
really
don't
fully
understand
the
impacts
of
this.
So
in
the
end
I
may
not
support
it
or
I
may
support
it,
but
I'm
gonna
vote
for
it
today
because
it
seems
reasonable
but
I
just
I,
don't
know
the
full
implications
of
going
down
this
road
because
we
already
have
the
bins
we've
been.
We've
invested.
You
know
significantly
in
the
current
system,
so.
E
The
way
I'm
gonna
answer
this
question
is
yesterday
at
licensing
a
committee.
There
was
an
issue
of
prostitution
in
our
spas
in
his
you
know
these
these
wonderful
holistic
suite
got
a
girl's.
This
is
an
issue
probably
eight
years
ago,
and
everyone
down
here
laughed
at
me
saying
no,
we
don't
have
a
prostitution
problem
in
this
city,
we're
you
know.
Why
are
you
dealing
with
this?
Why
are
you
suggesting
this
I
can
see
this
as
a
problem,
five
or
six
or
seven
years
from
now?
E
Madam,
madam
chair
and
I'm
happy
that
you're
supporting
it,
but
this
is
going
to
be
an
issue
five,
six,
seven
years
down
the
road
and
it's
best
that
we
know
what
our
options
are
in
front
of
us.
So,
while
I
took
a
huge
hit
over
those
few
years
front
page
and
all
of
it,
you
know
brothels
on
the
island,
whatever
the
media
wanted
to
say
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
finally
recognizing,
including
the
auditor
who
did
the
audit
on
all
this.
C
C
C
C
Okay,
so
it's
unanimous,
okay
and
then
our
last
motion
placed
by
councillor
man,
m'lady,
all
those
in
favor
and
against,
and
that
carries
all
right.
So
we
need
to
adopt
it
as
amended.
The
motion
I'll
move
that
all
those
in
favor
that's
unanimous,
all
right.
That
is
the
issue.
So
the
next
item
is
PW.
28.9
I,
don't
know
councillor
Frances
Lindsay
out
if
you
had
anything
ready
to
release
no
or
because
there
are
a
number
of
Deputies
on
this
one
as
well
on
the
coffee,
pods,
no.
A
C
Okay,
what
does
the
committee
think
I'll
just
I'm
just
want
to
do
a
quick
check
on
if
we
go
through
lunch,
so
we
just
to
be
clear.
We
right
now
have
I
believe
we
have
car,
sure,
coffee,
pods
and
then
the
cycling
network
in
thorn,
cliff
Park
in
Flemington
and
then
councillor
Annunziata,
Stu
items,
so
the
motion
apparently
is
coming
on
one
of
her
items.
So
what
does
what
would
the
committee
like
to
do?
Are
people
going
to
be
here
after
lunch
I'm?
Definitely
here
you're
here
if
we
got
or
so
counselor
mammal.
O
C
A
C
A
C
Yeah
we
have
on
this
next
item
on
coffee
pods.
We
have
three
deaf
mutations
that
have
registered
so
we'll
just
move
ahead,
then
so
28.9
review
of
single-serve
coffee
pods
in
the
city
of
Toronto's
waste
diversion
program.
We
have
three
speakers.
The
first
one
is
Monique
extender
and
she
is
the
if
you
could
come
forward
and
get
situated
she's,
the
chief
sustainability
officer
with
Keurig
Green
Mountain.
You
have
a
whole
group
yep.
Whoever
wants
to
come
up
can
come
up.
Oh
there's,
two
of
you
is
there?
Okay,
so
do
you
want
you're
gonna
present
together?
C
D
That
is
out
there,
so
we've
been
meeting
with
the
staff
since
June
1st
of
2017.
So
almost
a
year
now,
in
that
same
period
of
time,
we've
reached
out
to
many
of
you
on
the
committee
as
well.
We
absolutely
remain
committed
to
ongoing
dialogue
with
both
the
staff
and
counselors
around
Lubin
inclusion
for
recyclable
coffee
pods.
What
you
have
in
Keurig
is
a
willing
and
able
partner,
and
we
together
have
the
opportunity
to
set
a
new
collaboration
model
for
producer
responsibility
in
the
province.
D
I
think
it's
evident
from
the
reports
that
the
staff
has
issued
that
the
reality
is,
we
must
do
more
and
we
must
do
more
now
to
increase
diversion
rates
and
decrease
contamination.
So
how
can
Keurig
help?
There
are
various
concerns
and
misinformation
circulating
about
the
recyclability
of
coffee,
pods,
so
I
want
to
dress
those
specifically,
but
also
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
good
recycling
behaviors,
which
lead
to
good
quality
material
for
reuse,
so
contributing
to
the
circular
economy.
First
off,
adding
coffee
pods
to
the
blue
Bend
program
should
not
increase
processing
costs.
D
Given
the
discussion
that
we've
just
had
I
want
to
point
out
that
we
have
standardized
within
our
company
in
our
portfolio
of
pods,
as
well
as
recyclable,
coffee,
pods
in
general
to
white
and
natural
colors,
so
there
has
been
a
standardization
effort
speaking
exactly
to
those
learnings
around
colored
plastics.
We
are
converting
specifically
to
number
5
polypropylene
plastic
for
the
recyclable
pods,
because
it
is
a
highly
valued
plastic.
D
It's
already
collected
by
the
city
as
well
as
94%
of
communities
across
Canada,
and
thus
the
positon
are
additive
to
an
existing
material
stream,
which
the
local
MuRF
under
contract
has
the
equipment
to
store.
As
pointed
out,
the
system
here
is
among
one
of
the
most
sophisticated
in
North
America,
so
the
city
is
well-positioned
in
this
regard
and
domestic
recyclers
are
advocating
for
the
inclusion
of
recyclable
pods
to
the
recycling
system.
D
Second,
adding
coffee
pods
to
the
blueberry
program
should
not
also
increase
contamination,
so
the
current
contamination
levels,
which
we've
just
discussed,
are
part
of
a
much
larger
issue
unrelated
to
coffee
pods.
At
this
point,
that
said,
we
do
want
to
do
our
part
to
help
minimize
that,
as
best
as
we
can,
we
have
not
yet
started
promoting
recyclable
pods,
and
thus
any
contamination
risk
assessed
is
at
this
point
conjecture.
That
being
said,
we
are
about
to
begin
that
proactive
communication
and
we've
shared
this
with
the
city.
D
Since
our
initial
engagement
in
2017
we're
going
to
be
starting
that
within
the
next
few
weeks,
we
have
waited
until
the
last
possible
responsible
moment
before
promoting
the
recyclability
of
pods,
as
we
have
introduced
the
product
and
we're
at
a
critical
moment
where
we
need
to
start
creating
the
new
behavior
of
recycling.
These
pods,
creating
a
new
behavior
relative
to
recycling,
is
most
successful
at
product
launch.
So
now
is
the
time
as
we
launch
this
product
to
create
the
recycling
habit
and
to
start
accruing
the
environmental
benefits
of
recycling.
D
So,
as
we
begin
our
ad
campaign,
this
campaign
reflects
commitment
to
effective
consumer
education
and
that
reflects
the
financial
investment
that
we
are
willing
and
able
to
make
to
ensure
that
we're
driving
true
behavioral
change.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
quick
social
media
video,
that's
an
example
of
how
we're
activating
with
consumers
that's
featuring
the
three-step
recycling
process
that
we
are
advocating.
D
I
D
D
So
it's
a
multi-faceted
campaign
that
includes
advertising
social
media
out
of
home
placement
surrounding
our
consumer
with
an
appropriate
message
around
recycling.
Now
this
is
a
brand
message
and
it's
fighting
contamination
before
it
can
start.
While
our
message
and
commitment
to
consumer
education,
I
think
comes
through
quite
clearly
in
what
we're
putting
out
into
the
marketplace.
We
really
strongly
believe
that
joint
messaging
coming
from
both
Keurig
and
the
city
will
ensure
minimal
contamination
and
help
avoid
confusion
among
consumers.
D
We're
doing
this
in
conjunction
with
other
minutes
municipalities
who
are
leveraging
our
efforts,
who
are
leveraging
our
dollars
for
not
just
a
recycle,
your
pod
right
message,
but
also
a
recycle
right
message.
This
is
no
different
than
other
containers,
jars,
etc
that
are
being
used
in
the
home
that
have
to
be
emptied
before
being
recycled.
I
think
arguably,
brands
have
the
loudest
voice
in
the
household
and
so
combining
those
house,
wood,
combining
those
voices
for
effective,
behavior
change
is
where
we
need
to
head
next.
Now.
D
From
our
perspective,
the
risk
for
confusion
between
recyclable
and
compostable
pods
will
be
minimal.
Why?
Because
there's
a
visual
difference
and
a
visual
identifier
between
the
two,
as
you
can
see
in
the
images
that
we
have
here,
the
other
reason
we
feel
like
this
confusion
will
be
minimized.
Is
that
across
all
major
manufacturers,
by
the
end
of
this
year,
85
percent
of
all
coffee
pods
in
the
marketplace
will
be
recyclable
and
featuring
consistent
recycling
instructions,
the
PIO
empty,
recycle.
D
We
believe
that
instructions,
visual
cues
and
coupling,
that
with
consumer
education
efforts,
including
things
like
gamification
and
monetization,
in
ways
that
we
can
speak
to
our
consumer
because
we
know
her,
we
know
what
motivates
him.
We
know
how
to
reach
specifically
our
consumer
to
change
the
behavior.
D
We
think
that
will
be
not
only
effective
for
behavior
change,
but
also
have
the
positive
impact
we're
aiming
for
on
the
environment.
Now
addressing
an
earlier
point.
Why
not
compostable?
It's
worth
just
a
second
to
point
out
that
composting
for
plastics
bio
plastics
is
limited
today
we
are
absolutely
in
favor
of
those
options
as
the
infrastructure
develops.
But
just
last
week
the
National
zero-waste
Council
issued
a
report
that
highlights
the
massive
investment
required
before
composting
of
packaging
and
products
can
be
widely
available,
not
just
across
Canada
but
in
this
province
as
well.
D
Well,
we
know
that
stewardship
Ontario
has
not
yet
stated
whether
coffee
pods
will
be
included
in
the
amended
blue
box
program.
Plan.
Consultations
in
the
fall
did
discuss
non
acceptance
of
products
without
strong
end
markets.
Now,
at
that
point
in
time,
pods
coffee
pods
were
primarily
a
number
seven
plastic
which
does
not
have
a
strong
end
market
by
converting
to
polypropylene,
which
has
such
a
high
acceptance
across
Canada
and
in
the
province
and
since
then,
as
well.
Stewardship
Ontario
has
released
more
recent
proposals
that
recognise
a
universal
acceptance
of
polypropylene.
D
With
these
different
developments,
we
hope
that
stewardship
Ontario
will
recognize
the
considerable
positive
environmental
and
economic
impact
that
accepting
recyclable
coffee
pods
will
have
so
encloses
a
producer.
We
worked
tirelessly
over
the
last
few
years
to
develop
a
viable
solution
for
Canada.
D
We've
collaborated
closely
with
recycling
and
plastic
industries
to
develop,
are
recyclable,
pods
and
we've
also
been
working
with
municipalities
across
the
country
and,
in
fact,
across
North
America,
to
ensure
various
municipal
stakeholders
understand
why
our
solution
works
and
why
it's
the
right,
one
with
solid
information
and
data
behind
that
designed
for
the
circular
economy,
for
this
solution
is
complete.
So
the
work
left
in
front
of
us
and
where
we
want
to
and
look
to
collaborate
with
the
city
is
relative
to
communication
and
collection
of
the
pods.
D
There
are
some
fantastic
tools
that
the
city
has
used
from
the
waste
wizard
lookup
tool
to
expanding
from
that
2016
recycle
right
campaign
that
we
feel
that,
with
combined
efforts
been
a
magnified
voice.
We
can
have
the
critical
impact
that
needs
to
happen
in
this
moment,
not
only
to
address
better
recycling
but
more
specifically,
to
reduce
contamination
in.
B
We
collaborated
with
Canadian
recycling
facilities
to
create
a
recyclable,
k-cup
pod
to
test
the
recyclability.
We
attach
temporary
chips
to
k-cup
pods
that
allow
us
to
track
them
through
recycling
facilities
to
see
how
many
would
find
their
way
through
the
process
on
average,
90%
were
successfully
sorted
and
have
the
potential
to
be
recycled.
A
number
similar
to
other
commonly
recycled
plastic
containers
by
the
end
of
2018.
All
certified
Kirk
ACAP
pods
in
Canada,
will
be
recyclable
and
will
have
a
useful
second
life.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you
any
questions
for
the
presenters
I'll,
just
okay
go
in.
Do
you
want
me
to
go
well,
I,
guess,
I
guess!
The
question
is
that
you
want
you
probably
were
here
for
the
item
before,
and
you
heard
the
counselors
and
staff
talking
about
the
confusion
and
how
difficult
it
is
for
residents
consumers
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
from
your
perspective,
consumers
for
them
to
navigate
the
the
whole,
how
the
waste
stream
and
where
what
what
goes
where
so
right
now
actually
coffee
pods
in
Toronto
are
not
recyclable.
C
C
The
formal
report
and
we're
dealing
with
contamination,
significant
contamination
in
our
waste
stream,
so
my
question
to
you
is
you're
aware
that
they
have
done
waste
audits
and
they
have
found
pods
in
both
the
green
and
blue
bins
that
shouldn't
be
there
because,
right
now,
it's
not
they're
not
supposed
to
be
disposed,
they're
supposed
to
be
disposed
in
the
garbage
stream.
Are
you
aware
of
that
that
they
have
done
waste
audits
and
the
findings
have
been
that
they
are
going
into
the
wrong
bins?
We've.
C
I
guess
my
second
question
to
you
is:
would
you
be
willing,
as
a
company,
to
help
fund,
testing
or
and/or
help
fund
the
the
accommodation
of
these
pods
in
the
waste
streams,
because
taxpayers
are
paying
for
what
may
be,
corporations
should
be
funding,
and
that
was
the
concept
between
behind
the
extender
responsibilities
that
the
province
was
handling,
and
now
we
have
an
election.
It
seems
to
have
gone
quiet
but
I'm
sure
it'll
resurface
on
some
level
after
the
election.
But
what
do
you
think
about
that
whole
initiative
around
extender
producer
responsibility?
What's
your
perspective.
D
So
both
ways,
great
question
on
the
testing
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
wonderful
one.
We
have
been
doing
extensive
testing
since
2015
on
our
own
dime,
so
that
testing
is
with
tens
of
thousands
of
pods.
It
was
the
ones
referenced
in
the
videos
we
use
RFID
technology
and
we
are
completely
transparent
with
those
results
with
both
the
facility.
It's
usually
a
two-way
agreement.
With
this
with
the
facility
itself
and
in
the
case
of
Toronto,
we
were
also
transparent
with
the
staff
on
the
results
of
that
test
and
they
attended
themselves
as
well.
D
C
Have
you
done?
That's
the
zero
in
on
your
testing.
Have
you
so
I
understand
you've
done
the
testing,
but
have
you
done
it
with
in
collaboration
with
City
of
Toronto,
because,
as
you
know,
every
municipality-
and
this
adds
to
the
confusion,
every
municipality
does
things
differently
a
little
bit
differently,
so
Markham
or
a
new
market
or
Kohlberg
or
Guelph,
might
just
not
accept
this.
This
plastic,
lid
or
that
or
they
might
accept
I,
know.
There's
a
couple
of
municipalities.
I
think
that
do
accept
coffee
pods.
C
D
D
We
agreed
on
the
parameters
of
the
tests,
but
they
were
not
a
formal
participant
in
the
test.
Upon
invitation
to
be
so,
it
was
declined,
and
so,
instead
it
was
a
direct
agreement
with
Canada
fibers,
which
is
the
the
MIRR
for
material
recovery
facility
under
contract
with
the
city
and
then
the
debrief.
Well,
they,
the
staff,
did
attend
that
test
upon
our
invitation,
although
they
declined
being
a
part
of
the
formal
agreement.
Okay,.
C
H
Holiday
chair
and
thank
you
for
speaking
to
us
today
and
I
suppose,
one
of
the
things
I've
learned
in
life
is
sometimes
you
have
to
take
a
few
steps
and
some
directions
to
get
where
you
want
to
go.
Have
you
ever
explored
a
take-back
or
a
takeaway
program
and
I'll
preface
that
with
I
don't
know?
If
you
were
aware,
we
have
environment
days,
44
of
them
across
the
city,
unless
they're
they're
consolidated.
H
D
What
you
typically
see
is
large
cost
and
very
low
participation
because
of
the
effort
required
to
either
ship
or
return
to
store,
etc.
So
there
are
some
barriers
there
that
when
we
started
on
this
journey
we
said
if
we
need
to
go
that
way,
we
absolutely
will.
But
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
meet
the
consumer
in
their
home
in
their
kitchen
with
curbside,
then
that's
the
route
we'd
like
to
go,
which
is
why
we
started
the
testing
in
the
first
place
and
what
it
showed
us
immediately.
But
I
do
like
your
idea
on
the.
H
I
understand
the
end
goal
in
that
is
at
the
household,
but
would
you
consider
perhaps
participation
at
environment
day
days,
because
that's
forty
four
points
of
contact?
It
allows
the
city
to
answer
the
question.
If
someone
asks
you
know
what
to
do
with
these
things?
Well,
maybe
there's
a
an
opportunity
to
take
them
back
an
environment
day
to
the
manufacturer.
Would
that
be
something
that
would
be
of
interest
answer
me
on
the
spot,
but
would
it
be
something
that
you
would
consider
because
there
is
there?
H
C
C
M
Ahead
Chris
pleasure
to
be
back
with
me:
I
just
want
to
introduce
Claudio,
Jim
Eadie
who's,
a
senior
vice
he's
in
charge
of
innovation
for
us
and
he's
actually
been
on
the
compostable
pod
process.
Since
the
very
beginning,
I
want
to
pick
up
on
some
points.
I
made
up
under
the
previous
agenda
items
and
I
want
to
underline
the
progress
that
we
are
making
with
solid
waste
and
have
been
making
and
finding
a
way
forward.
But
it's
gonna
work
for
Toronto
residents
who
want
to
do
the
right
thing
with
their
single-server
pods.
M
One
element
of
that
is
the
technical
work,
the
testing
work
and
that's
on
track,
and
the
report
actually
signals
that
we
expect
to
be
testing
at
some
point
in
the
next
few
weeks.
We're
trying
to
higher
note
the
details,
but
things
are
well
on
track
and
our
belief
is
that
the
test
is
going
to
be
successful
for
one
fundamental
reason-
and
the
previous
speaker
pointed
out
about
the
challenge
that
you
know
some.
Some
composting
operations
have
in
terms
of
dealing
with
compostable,
bio,
resins
and
such
and
that's
true.
That
is
a
questions
been
raised.
M
The
reality
with
the
pod
is,
if
90%
coffee,
it's
90%,
coffee,
it's
not
some
plastic
thing,
it's
coffee
mostly
and
moreover,
since
the
city's
barriers,
since
the
city
expects
at
least
eighty
eight
percent
of
whatever
gets
processed
to
go
through
to
meet
their
concerns,
if
it's
90
percent
we're
pretty
confident
that
there's
every
reason
that
that
coffee
will
be
going
where
it
belongs,
which
is
into
your
your
ad
processing
I,
explained
the
simplicity
in
the
convenience
of
our
pod.
Under
the
last
agenda
item,
you
go
directly
from
the
brewer
to
the
green
bin.
M
Ideally
now
consumers
love
it,
but
that's
not
so
much
the
issue
for
me
here.
Many
of
you
may
know
of
the
work
that
the
national
zero
waste
council
councillor
Layton,
who
was
here
before
in
fact,
is
on
its
board.
In
fact,
recently,
the
national
zero
waste
council
included
our
pot
in
its
design
portfolio.
Beware:
they
single
out
specific
products
that
they're
seen
as
taking
the
entire
lifecycle
into
account
and
minimizing
waste.
M
We
want
to
make
that
process
a
success
with
them.
So,
since
council
made
the
initial
motion
that
started
this,
which
was
back
in
October
or
so
of
2016,
we've
worked
with
solid
waste
fairly
continually
to
clarify
their
concerns.
We
asked
concrete
questions.
We
we've
been
in
a
dialogue.
That's
helped
to
really
nail
down
what
are
they
looking
for?
What
do
they
need?
What
are
the
concerns
that
they
have?
M
So
the
report
points
out
that
they've
identified
policy
concerns
related
to
things
like
consumer
education,
producer
responsibility,
and
we
recognise
those
and
those
are
questions
that
we
are
committed
to
sort
out
with
them.
Clearly
we
have
to
be
part
of
that
solution
and
we
are
fully
prepared
to
be
part
of
that
solution.
A
lot
of
details
to
work
out.
We
are
absolutely
prepared
to
go
that
direction
and
we've
done
it
elsewhere.
M
Councillor
McMahon,
for
instance,
was
commenting
when
she
was
here
about
creamers
and
stuff
in
the
the
green
bin
waste.
We
worked
with
a
major
composter
that
deals
with
a
lot
of
industrial
settings
or
in
office
settings
in
Seattle
and
in
all
of
those
places,
people
were
throwing
creamers
little
stir
sticks
all
of
that
in
the
office
composting
I
was
driving
them
nuts.
We
worked
with
them
to
have
some
in
office
in
communication
that
essentially
cleared
up
the
problem
for
them
as
part
of
them.
Accepting
our
compostable
pods
into
those
work
places.
M
M
M
M
M
It
actually
will
bring
all
of
that
coffee
into
your
organic
waste
stream,
which
is
where
you
your
policy.
Is
you
want
those
things
in
your
organic
waste
stream
that
the
compostable
elements,
the
paper
and
such
they're,
also
in
the
pod,
also
break
down
and
are
likely
most
of
it
at
least,
are
likely
to
make
its
way
into
your
anaerobic
digestion
system?
So
it's
going
to
do
anything.
It's
not
going
to
have
any
negative
impacts
and
certainly
not
any
negative
impacts
that
are
beyond
the
standard
that
staff
set
operationally
anyway.
M
I
also
point
out,
for
instance,
we've
tested
the
pods
and,
as
the
previous
spoken
speaker
said,
we've
tested
them
lots
of
places
we
tested
them
in
peel,
we
tested
in
them
in
guelph,
we've
tested
them
in
Niagara,
just
finished
testing
them
and
on
and
on
one
and
the
thing
that
everybody
says
is
okay:
it
works.
We
want
something:
that's
going
to
be
accepted
across
all
municipalities,
starting
with
Toronto
right,
so
people
keep
saying
okay.
M
I
think
in
fairness
to
them,
I
think
mostly
what
they
want
is
as
common
a
set
of
messaging
across
all
municipalities
as
possible.
I
mean
I.
Think
honestly,
there's
thinking
that
if
I
see
here
a
radio
ad
and
let's
go
back
to
the
points
where
you're
talking
about
aerial
earlier
about
the
communication
that
they'd
do
those
radio
signals,
don't
stop
at
right.
So.
E
That's
I
get
it
now
so
so
I'm
anxious
to
see
what
the
city
also
has
to
say
about
that.
But
if,
if
we
don't
accept
it
in
our
bins,
is
your:
are
you
gonna
be
shutting
down
anytime
soon
or
do
you
do
you
plan
on
continuing
continuing
this,
this
product,
that
many
many
people
love
and
have
in
their
homes
right
I
get
that
so
that
your
your
it's
not
going
to
stop
anytime
soon?
If,
if
we
don't
accept
it
right
or
is
it.
B
Obviously,
obviously
the
acceptance
would
help
galvanize
some
of
the
relationships
we
have
with
the
people
we
manufacture
for
because
excuse
me,
they
believe
that
their
consumer
really
wants
the
solution.
They
want
to
do
something
about
the
waste
problem
and
they
obviously
want
to
have
the
advantage
of
making
marketing
claims
against
that
or
for
the
answer.
E
E
That
I
mean
I
go
into
people's
homes,
regularly
I
go
into
offices
regularly,
and
these
machines
are
everywhere,
I
go
into
a
hotel
room
and
the
hotel
rooms
have
them
in
there.
Are
you
telling
me
that
that
if
Toronto
doesn't
come
down
with
a
solution
here
that
all
those
people
are
gonna
stop
doing
business
with
you
I'm
not.
B
Suggesting
that
I'm
very
suggesting
that
we
have
what
we
believe
is
a
great
format
that
consumers
really
love
and
the
Kapost
ability
element
is
just
one
part
of
it
that
deals
with
okay
end
of
life,
and
we
believe
that
you
know
our
success
as
a
company
in
Toronto
would
be
augmented,
with
the
support
of
people
be
actually
able
to
do.
Ok.
Watch,
oh
so,.
E
That
you,
your
clients,
are
going
to
keep
ordering
your
you've
got
a
product
that
everybody
wants
and
likes,
including
myself
by
the
way,
and-
and
it's
easy
it's
what
it's,
what
the
what
consumers
want.
We
have
the
city
who
has
to
figure
out
what
to
do
here
and
and
even
if
they
choose
not
to
do
anything
your
products
just
going
to
end
up
in
where
I.
M
E
M
And
that's
why
we're
talking
to
solid
waste?
You
know
I
think
that
they
actually
from
our
perspective,
they
get
that
that's
an
issue
and
we
have
to
because
there
is
that
real-world
people
are
buying
these
things
and
you
can't
just
wish
them
away.
Obviously,
and
they
know
that
so
the
question
is
what
works
best
and
what's
going
to
be
most
effective
in
terms
of
clearing
up
everything
for
everybody
involved
and,
frankly,
so
our
the
brands
who
work
with
us
can
say
to
consumers.
Look.
M
E
M
C
C
C
C
M
A
M
M
You
could
take
that
stuff
and
work
it
and
know
it
looks
like
plastic,
but
it's
not
any
what
it
does
and
the
great
thing
about
that
coffee
chaff,
which
is
about
the
quarter
of
that
Plus,
along
with
different
kinds
of
grasses
and
materials
like
that,
it
actually
accelerates
the
breakdown
process,
because
the
little
microbes
that
you
need
to
actually
do
composting-
and
you
know
it's
different
in
system-
may-
have
loved
that
stuff.
So
in
fact
it
accelerates
the
process.
Okay,.
C
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
I
hope
that
stuff
additional
questions
about
that
and
then
I'm
again
I'll
ask
you
the
same
question:
I
asked
the
former
manufacturer:
are
you
willing
to
play
play
a
role
in
paying
for
some
of
the
testing?
I
know,
I,
think
you've
been
kind
of
involved,
not
and
also
paying
for
the
fact
that
it's
in
the
waste
stream
in
Toronto
versus
residents
paying
for
it
for
years.
M
C
H
M
H
I'll
call
it
that
goes
into
the
bow
digester,
so
we
we
skim
that
stuff
off
and
I
think
there
were
questions
about
how
successful
we
would
be
with
skimming
the
Rings
off
I
wondered
if
you
could
offer
con
comment
on
any
experience
that
you've
got
so
far
on
that
and
I.
Think
there's
even
a
discussion
here
about
conducting
a
test
on
that
yeah.
M
M
One
of
the
things
to
keep
in
mind
about
what
solid
waste
is
looking
for
as
a
criterion
of
success
here
is
that
there
be
no
more
than
12
percent
of
the
the
weight
of
the
pod
is
skimmed
off
for
whatever
reason
right,
be
it
plastic
or
what-have-you.
First
of
all,
as
I
pointed
out,
90
percent
of
the
weight
of
the
pod
is
coffee.
So,
and
we
know
enough
about
how
the
hydro
pulper
works.
M
That
realistically,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
that
that
pod
sitting
there
and
it's
going
to
get
essentially
shredded
right
and
then
certainly
the
the
the
filter
on
it's
going
to
shred
so
right
away,
you
get
all
the
coffee
in
the
system
all
right.
The
filter
itself
is
compostable,
so
that's
going
to
shred
into
little
bio-based
pieces,
it
should
go
on
the
paper
top
or
the
lid.
That's
on
the
top
of
it
that's
as
the
same
mostly
paper
and
some
other
compostable
stuff,
that's
probably
going
to
come
apart.
M
The
ring
may
or
may
not
completely
come
apart,
but
at
that
point
we're
talking
like
four
or
five
percent
of
the
total
weight
of
the
pod.
So
it's
well
under
the
operational
criterion
that
solid
waste
has
set
for
us,
and
even
many
of
those
pots
might
well-
or
those
rings
may
well
just
break
up
in
in
that
that
pre-pro
sings
pre-processing
that
they've
got.
C
Okay,
I'll
just
ask
committee
because
we're
three
minutes
away
from
the
formal
launch
recess.
If
you
want
to
continue
to
finish
this
item,
we
do
have
to
come
back,
for
we
have
four
remaining
items
after
lunch
at
1:30.
But
would
you
like
to
continue
with
this
item
or
or
just
continue
it
after
lunch?
So.
C
C
Pw
28-point.
Thank
you
very
much.
Pw
28.6
sewer
system,
flood
reduction
measures
in
rock
field
rock
a
rock
quarry
Steven
holiday
councillor
holiday,
had
held
that
for
councillor
Annunziata,
there's
a
motion
if
the
clerk
could
put
it
on
the
screen.
This
is
the
motion
which
I
think
has
been
written
by
staff
and,
if
I'm
not
correct,
my
correct,
madam
you
know
where
the
kicker
that's
been
written
by
staff,
all
those
in
favor.