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Toronto and East York Community Council, meeting 32, May 2, 2018 - Part 2 of 2
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Ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna get started, we're on item te 32.5, which is a.

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10 o'clock item 1209 12, 32, 1234, 12, 38, 12, 46, 1250 and 1260 for college street. It's.

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A zoning amendment, it's a final report. It was being held for councillor by lao.

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Councillor by lao, do you have any questions or is there anyone here to.

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Speak to the item before we get to that that side, I'm 32.5! Yes, it is we're still.

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Holding it I'm waiting for a motion; okay, so that's all that's still being held.

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Okay, so we are now on item still 10 o'clock, 32-point 11, changing lanes, city.

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Of toronto's review of laneways suites city initiated official plan amendment.

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And zoning amendment final report, so this is a statutory meeting and I.

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Understand that there are is a deferral motion coming. However, I've been asked by.

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The clerk's office to say that if there are people here who would like to do.

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Pute, in the event that they are unable to depute next month, when this item.

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Comes back that they can in fact speak today. At the same time, there is also, if.

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There are people here who would like to speak today. We have a ten minute.

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Presentation by staff on this item, so I just would like to get some sense of.

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Members of the public who want to speak to changing lanes if they're still.

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Interested in speaking, then, please come forward.

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If there was anyone that wanted to speak, they needed to come forward what why.

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Aren't we having the presentation for well, so the clerk has explained it to me.

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But I'll allow the clerk to speak. I believe the chair is just trying to.

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Determine if anyone would like to make a deputation today, and if that is the case,.

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Then we will have a presentation from staff and then hear those deputations is.

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That clear yeah can we have the presentation. We can that's another.

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That's another option that I was presenting one option I was going to.

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Present a second option. The second option is we can still. If no one wants to speak, we can still have the presentation from staff. It's not. I just.

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Wanted to get a sense if there was anyone in the room that wanted to speak.

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Yes, people, yes, there are wish to speak great. Thank you very much, so we will get.

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A presentation from staff.

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Sorry, if I just gonna check the will of the committee in light of the fact that we're still on 10 o'clock items is the 10 minutes in terms of a presentation.

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Okay colleagues, 10 minutes; okay, great! Thank you.

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I think we may have a technical issue. Sorry, can we get some assistance from.

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The av mike ready to go ready to go okay, so you have.

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Ten minutes, thank you good afternoon. Everybody thanks for.

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Having us, my name is greg ewtn's with toronto city planning, I'm here with my.

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Colleague, george pantazes, for the last several months about a year.

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We have been working on the changing lanes initiative as a report before you.

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Today that we'll talk about it I'll provide some background on our work and.

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Our recommendations first city of toronto has a broad network of laneways.

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300 kilometres of lane ways within the entire city about 2,500 individual lane.

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Ways themselves: you can see a map here of one of the more concentrated areas of.

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Lane ways in the city and that those are primarily within toronto and east york.

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District, the lane waves were originally used back or they were they've been.

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Around since the city itself has been around some dating back to the 1870s.

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Originally used for utilitarian purposes, sometimes stables blacksmiths later.

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Garages with the invention of the automobile lately through naming of some.

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Of these lane ways, we've been able to commemorate certain historical events.

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Important people within local history, which is an excellent thing, it shouldn't.

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Should continue but we're to talk about housing on laneways, laneways, suites.

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Specifically, what is a laneway suite is a house on the same lot as another house.

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Located generally in the back yard, where one of the law, one of the lot lines, is.

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Next to a public lane way, laneways suites are intended to be subordinate.

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And scale their service from the main house they're completely detached from the main house. They may have outdoor access.

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Via a side yard, on the lot to the street, or in some cases via the lane, the city.

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Is considered laneways suites before in 2006 a review of laneway housing.

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Prompted a report from number of city staff, titled housing and laneways, the.

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Reports advised on permitting laneway housing. It was primarily concerned with severance of new laneways houses, and there were three concerns that were.

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Raised in that report, the first be in compliance with the city's neighborhood.

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Policies in the then recently approved official plan issues regarding privacy.

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Overlooking shadowing and lack of municipal infrastructure in the lanes.

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Themselves to service the newly severed properties, private entities have also.

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Studied and commented on the city's opportunity to allow for laneways suites.

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Bridget, shimon donald cheung, sight-unseen, jeffery, stinson, terrence.

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Van ells lander in 2003, both those documents published, talked about.

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Opportunities for the city to adopt laneway housing is another form of.

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Housing in the city itself, more recently, a group lane scape and evergreen.

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Developed laneways suites, a new housing typology for toronto, was released in may.

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Of last year and includes, among other things, current legislation, a summary of.

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Laneways suites criteria and test scenarios, technical comments from staff.

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Results of a consultation and approaches from other cities- council directed us in.

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2017 as part of that report from landscape to look at laneways suites in.

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Toronto in east york area to consult with city divisions and ras and to.

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Consider an implementation strategy that looked at things, such as staff resources.

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Animating, laneways and affordable housing components and incremental cost.

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Increases regarding language suites, undertaking this study. We were guided by.

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Generally, the following principles: laneways suites, are intended to be rental, not severed subordinate to the principal house permitted as of right.

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And they may not be possible on all lots for a number of reasons.

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So this study became what's called changing lanes. Changing lanes is the.

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Report, that's in front of you in the report is essentially three things. It.

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Recommends an official plan, amendment application and a zoning bottom and an.

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Official plan amendment and a zoning bylaw amendment to permit laneways.

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Suites, subject to a range of criteria, separation, distance coverage, height form.

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A set of guidelines are also being developed to help assist people that.

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Would look to construct laneway suites to communicate the in.

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Information, these guidelines and zoning bylaw and talk about the process contact.

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Information city initiatives and other things that should be considered when.

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Pursuing a permit for a laneway suite I'd mentioned that the study area is.

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Confined to the the boundaries of toronto in east york, district as it.

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Existed last year, so you can see that map here. You can also see the laneways.

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The majority of the city's lane ways are within toronto in east york district, so.

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Why are we considering these well provincial policies and direction.

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Supports laneways suites, the city's policies in the official plan intend.

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Arrange of housing in terms of form and tenure, cities neighborhoods, where these.

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Are primarily proposed can accommodate gradual growth and change over time that.

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Is written in the plan and laneways themselves can evolve along with this.

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New form of housing as interesting multi-purpose public spaces, but these.

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Suites provide for a new form of housing for potentially an aging population.

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Larger families, downsizing seniors people of different abilities and other.

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Groups, various provincial legislation speaks to second suites and specifically.

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Laneways suites in a number of areas, the planning act directs that musicality.

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Shell them, in their official plan, have policies to allow for a second unit on a.

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Residential lot, the growth plan contemplates complete communities.

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Including a mix of housing options and second suites and the prevention policy.

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Statement contains similar wording, the official plan which, in chapter one.

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Starts off with a number of broad statements guiding the vision of how.

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Toronto is to grow and how the policies that come after written the official.

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Plan are to implement that vision. It talks about a successful toronto as.

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Being characterized by a city where housing choices are made available to all people in their communities at all stages of their lives, where individuals.

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Can participate in the decisions affecting them where we meet the needs of today's generation without compromising the needs of future generations to meet theirs. Among many other things that characterize toronto.

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As a successful city, the official plan also talks specifically about housing.

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Provision of a full range of housing, noting that it is essential for.

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Toronto's quality of life and that's cities, balance and diversity of areas.

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And economic success depend on the provision of a range of housing. Now.

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Within the toronto and east york area, there are a number of land uses that.

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Allow for growth, we're looking only at the neighbourhoods designation, which is.

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Generally intended to remain stable over time, though not static, the city's.

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Neighborhood paltin city's neighborhoods, shown here in yellow, contain a range of.

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Housing parks, community spaces, schools, local businesses, services, and they are.

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Intended to remain stable over time, though not static. Our recommendations in.

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This report recommend amending the official plan policies in this area to.

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Permit laneways suites in neighborhoods right now, laneways suites are only.

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Permitted in instances where they are consistent with the prevailing character.

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Of an area as there is no framework to allow for laneways suites, they aren't.

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Characteristic of many of the city's neighborhoods, we undertook a technical.

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Review in collaboration with a range of city staff looking at things such as on-street parking, garbage servicing, stormwater management, lane maintenance.

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Things such as the separation, distance, setbacks, green spaces, outdoor access.

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Emergency access, the type of lawton main house parking sustainability tree.

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Preservation and and other things, such as the opportunity for affordable rental.

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Housing levies and fees and the city's development charges. This was a project.

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That involved a range of city divisions in a collaborative effort in a which has.

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Created the report that you see before you, we also consulted heavily with the.

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Community we had on the number 30th and november 29th. We had some large format.

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Meetings at the original meeting, we presented our objectives. What we were.

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Looking at with laneway suites but didn't provide any recommendations, 250.

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People attended that meeting and submitted a hundred-plus comment forms.

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That we, you can see at the bottom of the screen, they're tailored for the event to.

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Ensure that we received appropriate and usable feedback, there was general.

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Support for what we were proposing at that meeting and the meeting we had on.

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March 29th was attended by about as many people with some questions, clarification.

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Generally support we also work closely with residents associations, a number of.

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Them were very interested in this process. We had an invite-only residence.

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Association meeting on february, the 24th 20-plus of the 80 or so residents.

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Associations in toronto and east york were at that meeting and we have had several individual in group meetings with residents, associations and counselors to talk about the are recommendations. We've also.

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Provided periodic updates to all of the residents associations whether they engage with us or not, as well as counselors offices throughout the study process at key times, I won't go into details on the criteria. The report does.

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That thoroughly, though, this is what is being proposed in the zoning bylaw.

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Amendment, it's essentially a two-story maximum height laneway house, which is.

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Separated from the main house, by either five or seven and a half meters, if you.

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Have a one or two storey laneway house, respectively: there is an angular plane.

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Transition from or a step back rather, I have the second-story to assist with.

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Overlook and privacy issues there are landscaped open space requirements on.

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The laneway side second floor amenity areas are only permitted facing the lane.

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Itself there are no balconies permitted facing into the lots. There is a setback.

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From the lane, as well, which is a greater setback than is currently required in.

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The zoning bylaw for garages that has to provide for greening and an entry space.

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And a front door in some cases to these laneway houses, the emergency access.

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Requirements for these laneway suites can be a constraint. There are a few ways.

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To provide emergency access to laneways suites they're detailed in the report.

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But they result in a number of lots specifically on areas with large.

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Unbroken lanes in areas with smaller side yards as being not able to achieve.

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The criteria for adequate emergency access, the lanes themselves present.

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Enormous opportunities as public spaces and along with the creation of housing.

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On these lanes, the city will monitor developments and determine where.

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Improvements may be made where maintenance required additional maintenance is required and part of requiring increase setbacks and for the.

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Lanes themselves is to provide for landscaping and lighting on private property next to the lane severance azar, a concern that we share with the.

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Communities the policies is owning by law, the guidelines and the development.

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Charge framework all deter people from severing their properties. There may be.

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Very unique instances in which severance azar possible those would have to be.

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Considered via the zone, bylaw amendments and a full set of.

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Development charges will be paid upon severance, so there are significant financial process and policy barriers. The severance is occurring. We are.

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Recommending a three year monitoring period where we will monitor everything to do with the implementation of this, that will include staff training as well.

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To ensure consistent approach in the application of laneways suites.

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So the recommending these to be permitted in the zoning bylaw as of.

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Right so if you could achieve, if you could build a laneway suite on your.

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Property which met the azov rights owning you would require a building.

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Permit potentially other permits, but generally a building permits. There are.

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In some cases variances may be considered, and the city will consider.

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Those against the four tests, as we usually would, but we also wanted to note.

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That buildings, which achieve accessible design standards, sustainable building technology, protect mature trees and accommodate a laneway suite within an.

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Existing building should be given consideration. We were asked to look at.

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Laneway suites as part of the affordable housing strategy, the ontario's long term.

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Affordable strategy recognizes second units as a potential source of affordable rental housing to allow homeowners to earn more additional income and exempting second units from such as laneway suites of basement.

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Apartments from dc's makes them less costly to build, resulting in more units.

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In an area where there is an s and assess 'ti to provide a different form.

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Of rental housing staff are recommending a pilot program with financial.

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Incentives that will result in rents being maintained at affordable levels.

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Over a period of time on certain laneways suites, that would be an.

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Application process in a way similar to open door. So, in summary, the report.

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Presents an official plan amendment and zoning bylaw amendment, which provides.

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Certain criteria to govern the development of laneways suites, where appropriate in the toronto and east york area, a set of guidelines, would be.

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Forthcoming, depending on receipt of the recommendations and any changes and.

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Those are intended to clarify the guidelines. The official plan amendments.

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And assist those looking to build or modify an existing structure to create.

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Housing unit in conclusion, laneways suites are consistent with provincial.

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Policy legislation, city policies- they have been successfully implemented in.

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Many other cities it will limit they've been designed to limit their impact on.

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Adjacent properties, they can introduce a new form of rental accommodation, provide.

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Opportunities for populations, young families, different family structures to live within neighborhoods that can accommodate.

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Appropriate infill and change over time. These are subject to ongoing analysis.

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And a reduced application fee and streamlined approach to ensure that they.

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Will be constructed where appropriate, they can also improve the enhance the.

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Safety of our land waves providing more eyes on these spaces and better lighting.

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Laneways suites represent good planning. I want to quickly thank couple of my.

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Colleagues, in numerous divisions who collaborated on this, specifically my colleague, george satara, caroline deanna, jeremy, joseph thank you tulane sleep and.

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Evergreen and thank you to all of the residents associations who took time to meet with us, attend our meetings and engage in constructive conversations.

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That help shaped and inform this initiative in a significant way. I'd be.

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Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Thank you very much for your.

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Presentation, I have no doubt that that represents they bought a very large body.

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Of work and and and it's a summary of the consultations from from the.

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Republican gaygent meetings at this point in time, I'm going there's no.

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Questions of staff right now we're going to move straight to deputies, you've all.

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Been extremely patient you have, this is a 10:00 a.m. item which is now being.

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Heard at 2:00 p.m. so hope you've had a chance to get your coffee and lunch.

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We're gonna buckle you in we're ready for deputations, so there are a number of.

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Deputies, I'm going to call you yeah great presentation. I don't know if we.

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Have that presentation? We don't have it. We don't have a copy here yet so you.

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Didn't have a coffee for councillors, councillor fletcher. Would you like a.

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Copy now, normally we would have a coffee, okay, so we're working from that. So so.

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Please note that the councillor fletcher has requested that it can't be of.

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Today's staff presentation be made available now for the members of the.

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Committee, so if we can just ask that to to get that printed off and circulated.

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Okay, wonderful, so councillor, you're gonna get your present. Your presentation.

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In a hardcopy soon, our first speaker registered to speak and before you come.

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Up just to go through the rules, one more time for those who are registered to.

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Speak today, you were very welcome to speak. There is a.

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Referral motion with some instructions from counselors coming forward.

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Just taking a look at what I believe is going to be a series of lengthy.

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Recommendations that are going to a staff to do additional work in review. It.

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Is most likely going to come back with some supplementary attachments to it.

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Which means that if you speak today, contrary to my earlier instructions, you.

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Will most likely still have the opportunity to speak when it comes back.

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At this matter in june, so you get two shots out of it so like to call our.

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First speaker, george emerson and then just to get yourself ready, nikolas coach.

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Ance chen kanchan ii, you are next, please george. You will have five minutes.

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Just note that ben this committee, we do not curb your speaking time. We want you.

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To get everything you need to say said and the clock is, on your left hand, side.

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I'll start it when you're ready. Thank you counselors. Thank you city,.

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Staff, hello, my fellow truant onehans, on this beautiful warm day. My name is.

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George emerson, my family of six, soon to be seven live on galley avenue in.

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Parkdale- and I want to give you some personal, some social and some economic.

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Context as you deliberate this important opportunity in city building, so I came.

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To parkdale as an economic refugee, from the maritimes when in the 80s.

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Unemployment was around 20%. My wife came 50 years ago as an economic refugee, from.

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Jamaica, my father in law, says parkdale was once.

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Nothing but maritimers and west indians and all these people coming to parkdale.

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Renting a little room, getting a good job if they're lucky a house, that's what.

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Builds toronto in little neighborhoods, like parkdale and all over the city. My.

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Father-In-Law, a victim mullings was the first black driver for the ttc. His.

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Friend, larry mccleary was the first black police officer in the city of.

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Toronto, my mother-in-law dear daphne, was one of.

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The first black nurses at sickkids I'll get back to grandma in a second.

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Because her story is a bearing on laneways sweets, but that's the personal.

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Context how I come to be here, living and thriving in toronto and very thankful.

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For the city that I'm in I'm also a member of the executive of the ronsis.

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Fales macdonell residents association, which is one of the oldest continuously.

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Operating residents associations in toronto, a majority of the executive of.

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The our marae is in favor of laneway sweets, but as a residents association, we.

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Are not taking a stance one way or another? I think, and some of us feel that.

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There's something not quite right about ras trying to claim to have a.

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Representative constituency, when we already have one and that's you, the city.

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Council, who have done a great service in engaging the city staff to examine this.

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Issue very thoroughly to listen to a lot of people and to make some.

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Well-Thought-Out recommendations, but for what it's worth the our marae did a.

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Little survey this week and there was overwhelming interest in laneway sweets.

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Amongst our our membership, who have responded to our little email survey, I'm.

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Personally, in favor of laneway sweets, because it's an organic way to add.

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Capacity to a city to grow a city and if the reports are correct, we have a dire.

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Crisis and housing availability and we have a cityscape, that's quite.

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Underdeveloped, when I first moved to the old city, toronto from the old city of.

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Halifax, I couldn't believe how underdeveloped the the old city of.

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Toronto was the downtown old neighborhoods compared to even an old.

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City like halifax, like just the way the houses are built, it's serious under.

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Utilization of land- now I say my family on galleys, going to seven, not because.

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We're having another baby, but because we're moving in my mother-in-law, daphne.

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We don't want her isolated and living on her own as she enters her 90s, and I.

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Would far prefer to accommodate grandma with a nice ground-level accessible.

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Laneway suite, rather than have to undergo major renovations to 3/4 stories.

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Depending on the size of house you having down.

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Toronto or two-story, whatever these are old buildings that can be adapted, but.

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There's a lot of investment required, especially if you're dealing with things.

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Like accessibility and ground-floor access, so lamely suite is a perfect.

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Opportunity for grandma and grandma would actually like it. She wants to be close to her family, she doesn't move in with them, and I know a lot of grandmas.

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Feel the same way and a lot of daughters and their son in-laws feel the same way.

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So a laneway suite could not only be used for grandma, but in years to come it.

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Could be a place for the young men in our family coming back from university.

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To get a start in their own place, or we can rent it out on the market to help.

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Defray the costs of homeownership and living the city, the cost of education.

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And so on, and I know what great many of my neighbors are also in this kind of a.

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Transition phase of life, the empty nest, phase, they're, anticipating and I know.

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Many of them who said they want to build a laneway suite, not necessarily for.

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Grandma they want to move into it. They want to rent out the big house in the.

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Front these three four five bedroom houses that I think are frankly.

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Seriously underutilized in the city of toronto, and now here there is a very.

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Serious shortage of family rental, family size, rental, accommodations in the city.

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Of toronto- and this is a way that you with a simple vote- can really increase.

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The capacity of that type of rental housing, whether it's in the back or the.

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Front you're, adding capacity that is seriously underutilized at this point.

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That's it thanks very much as corbusier said, the.

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House is a machine for living. You have an opportunity with a simple vote to.

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Make it a much more powerful tool? Great. Thank you very much. George thank you are.

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There any members with questions for the speaker seeing none. Thank you, george.

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Thank you. Nicolas cause cheney, coach, hanny, I'm sorry, I'm gonna get her.

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Write it you'll get it one day councillor this is. I hang my head in shame. Please. No so good afternoon, members of.

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Community council, thank you for having me here today.

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My name is nicholas ghosh annie and I am coach annie and I am an urban planner at.

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The laneway project, we are a non-profit planning and design consultancy working.

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Here in toronto, to create laneway demonstration projects encourage laneway.

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Friendly policies and procedures such as the ones before you today, and to inspire.

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Empower and support communities in undertaking their own language projects.

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So the motion that you have before you today really sets the stage for.

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Increased language revitalization within the city of toronto, while providing very.

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Specific requirements for what constitutes appropriate developments.

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That fit right in a laneway. And while we would like to see the ability to build.

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Laneway streets extended to the entire city at one point, not just within the.

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Toronto and east york district: we accept the proposed policy in its current form.

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And would like to see it passed today, rather than deferred further down the.

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Line because the sooner we can start building these laneway streets providing.

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Our revitalizing, our laneways, the better, in our opinion, cities around the world.

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Have taken steps to live in their lane waves? These include cinema cities, not.

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Just different from toronto, but similar to toronto, including melbourne chicago.

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Baltimore portland vancouver san francisco seattle. The list goes on those.

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Are only the cities that have laneway housing projects, but there are a variety.

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Of other cities such as virginia and ottawa, which also have which also have.

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Other accessory dwelling units, such as backyard suites, this is just one tool to.

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Revitalize early noise, but a very important one, the motion is a step.

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Towards bringing our laneways into life, transforming them from neglected spaces.

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Into calm, community gathering points or vibrant spaces, or simply places of.

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Nature and to finally end on a humorous note, the motion will also allow.

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Millennials, like myself, to move out of our parents basements and into their.

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Garages, so thank you very much for having me and we hope that you do pass.

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This motion today, thank you. Thank you very much. Nick.

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Was coal shanee? Oh shiny? Thank you. Any questions for nikolas, okay, councillor.

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Davis, followed by councillor by lao, of course, I wondered about where there are.

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Late, where there's lane away housing in other jurisdictions are there limits on.

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Those that back on to busy commercial lane, ways that are the back of like the.

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Blurred a north where there is potentially real conflicting use, loading.

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And large trucks and that kind of activity.

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So I know off the top of my head in vancouver where they have some language.

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Which are commercial on one side and residential on the other, and that.

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Similar to some lane ways here in the city such as those around like danforth.

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East, like den, I think, greenwood, I believe they allowed laneway housing.

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On the residential side, obviously not on the commercial side, however right but.

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They they they haven't, experienced the conflict between those used. Oh no, not to.

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My knowledge, the lane way, is acts as kind of a unifying space. If you will.

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Because they managed to calm these spaces down so that, while there is still.

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Commercial unloading, the space still acts as a it's still calm enough that it.

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Doesn't conflict with the residential uses on the other side of the language.

H

That makes sense. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

E

Thank you, councillor, barlow questions. In your opinion. Would a project like this.

B

Have an impact on the safety of our laneways or yes, I absolutely I do.

H

Believe it would because, when you add things like lane away streets to lane,.

H

Ways you provide aisel mullane way, you provide a more active engaged population.

H

Laneways, currently, our scene has engaged sorry of non gauged, neglected spaces and.

H

I think that's largely due to the fact that we don't have people who are.

H

Literally facing onto them too often our lane is blocked by fences or the backs.

H

Of garages, for instance, but if you have people whose front doors and.

H

On to a laneway for sure, they're going to start caring more about the space and.

H

Moreover, that provides more sort of political capital to do further.

H

Revitalizations on these lands and provide other such interventions that.

H

Would also provide for public safety. Okay, thank you very much. Anyone else.

E

With questions okay, thank you. Thank you very much.

E

Thank you. Our next speaker is craig reis following craig would be mike. Olaf.

E

Renner I'm going to be combining with.

H

Joe flat from evergreen for my talk, okay, wonderful! Go ahead! Please! Okay! Thank you!.

J

Good afternoon really pleased to be here to be looking.

J

At this really innovative work coming out of the city, my name is joe flat.

J

I'm senior manager, policy and partnerships at evergreen were a.

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National nonprofit organization, with a mandate to create flourishing cities, all.

J

Across the country we work with senior decision-makers such as yourselves and.

J

The general public to work together in creating these amazing cities of the.

J

Future I've had the privilege over the past two years to do a lot of this work.

J

In partnership with landscape and to councillors, anabella and mary margaret.

J

Mcmahon- and we are really committed to seeing this through and think it's an.

J

Amazing opportunity for this city: why do we think it's an amazing opportunity.

J

Because we know we have a bit of a challenge when it comes to housing.

J

Affordability and rental supply and to address this challenge, we need 21st.

J

Century solutions that are innovative that are different that are unique to.

J

Actually address this problem and we can't just have one solution: we need.

J

Many and this presents one really valuable option for toronto to think.

J

About increasing its density in a gentle way, and how do we know this is worth.

J

Pursuing so we've heard from many many community residents and stakeholders.

J

Across the city that this is something that they want to see through our.

J

Consultations in-person survey correspondents walking tours bike tours.

J

We've done many many things with many different people and we've heard over.

J

And over and over again the you want to see laneway sweets in their.

J

Communities because they want to live in dense, walkable, complete neighborhoods.

J

They don't have places to go, they can't afford to buy a house, so they would like to live with their parents and their separate dwelling, and they see this as a.

J

Real opportunity to move forward on and a real opportunity for the city. So what.

J

Do torontonians want they want new housing solutions. They want to live in.

J

Great places- and they want their municipal leaders to be bold and to take.

J

On new approaches to dealing with the problems that we have in our city, thank.

J

You thanks joe and thank you for hearing us study councillors. It's important to.

H

Reinforce the laneway housing is not a new solution, as you've heard before.

H

Cities like saskatoon and regina are far more advanced in toronto in terms of.

H

Their housing when it comes to living on laneways impressive, that they've lapped.

H

Us vancouver is the originator of this and they've had a policy in place for.

H

Over 10 years now, currently there's a provincial mandate from the ministry of.

H

Housing for all municipalities in ontario to create official plan changes.

H

And zoning bylaw amendments to accommodate detached laneway, suites.

H

That's why ottawa did it in 2016 and have seen success in their municipality.

H

Our fellow citizens are desperate for more flexibility when it comes to.

H

Housing 91% of our survey respondents online said that they want to see this.

H

In your wards and today, you've got 175 letters supporting this in front of you.

H

And three that are maybe not objecting but have some valid input on how it.

H

Could be improved but they're far away by people who are saying this needs to.

H

Happen now and they're actually asking for higher density and higher heights.

H

And things that we don't think they should have, but they want to see more so.

H

It sounds like we're doing the right thing. It's important to also understand.

H

That we need to change the way we think about living on laneways in toronto.

H

We're not talking about the laneway mansions you're, probably familiar with.

H

That are three storeys and generally bad urbanism. We're talking about laneway.

H

Suites, the important distinction is that they are non severable and that's been.

H

Assured by the recent changes to the development charges by law.

H

If you try to suffer them, you have to pay very steep development charges, so there is financial penalty. If you try to do that already in place, the height.

H

Maximum of 6 meters ensures that the laneway suite will always be subordinate.

H

Even to one-story houses with peach roofs, the maximum footprint means their.

H

Space to accommodate cars, if the homeowner chooses or have family.

H

Oriented units the rear yard angular plane ensures that the shadow impact of.

H

These will have a barely different impact than current as of right garages.

H

On neighbors and make sure that there's very minimal overlook and privacy.

H

Concerns something I found in the laneway houses. I've designed for clients.

H

Is that they want people looking into their languages as little as they want.

H

To look into your house, so good design will follow from this policy. Finally,.

H

They're going to improve our laneways they're, going to create beauty and safety and ensure that we're activating this underutilized portion of our city.

H

With high quality street facades basement apartments and other secondary.

H

Units are great, but they still don't instill a sense of housing pride that.

H

Our changing demographics need, I don't feel proud putting my.

H

Grandmother or my kids in a basement apartment, I want them to have accessible.

H

Housing options they're above grade that are bright, that are airy, and I want to.

H

Support my loved ones in dwellings that they can be proud of, and I want families.

H

To be able to rent in low-rise neighborhoods, where there are schools.

H

And parks, because, right now they can't afford to buy. I build leymah houses here.

H

In toronto and I've toured them all over north america, and I have to applaud the.

H

City for these suggested guidelines, they listen to torontonians and they address.

H

Their sensitivities in a very thorough and comprehensive way, they offer an.

H

Implementation strategy- that's controlled, focused and is able to adapt.

H

As time goes on and we learn from the early adopters finally, they've been.

H

Respectful to our official plan to all secondary plans and heritage districts.

H

Not to mention our tree canopy, this is really good policy work and supporting.

H

This sends a message that we want to empower our homeowners who have roots in.

H

Our neighborhoods, this is a vision that collectively that.

H

Is collectively authored by the people who live in your wards? They need their.

H

Kids to transition out of their home during college, then he didn't come to.

H

Afford their mortgages they need to support their family members in a suite.

H

That their family members can be proud to live in, and this policy gives them.

H

The power to do that you should support it in its entirety and the thousands of.

H

Torontonians, who have put in work to make this happen.

H

Want to see our city grow in a positive way. I know that you do too. Thank you.

H

Very much, thank you very much to you. Both are there any questions.

E

Councillor the havok first, you very much. I really appreciate what you said um and.

K

I just by what contest I do support. I do have some questions around frankly.

K

Affordability, joe you mentioned affordability, do you have any data say.

K

Let's start with this say: vancouver or regina or the other cities ever.

K

Mentioned how many folks actually rent out versus how many folks for how many.

K

Folks is this a granny flat or a secondary unit? Do you have any data on.

K

That so this is anecdotal, but from a site visit in vancouver last year, a lot.

J

Of elaine way, sweets are you being used for intergenerational living, so we can't.

J

Claim that laneways sweets are going to solve our affordable housing challenges.

J

But it is going to contribute to the stock of our get that so would you say.

K

Twenty percent eighty twenty percent become rented and about eighty percent.

K

Fifty sixty, we don't have any data, you don't have any data on that. Okay, I'll.

K

Ask top the same same question later on so okay. So now, let's separate the ones.

K

For whom it is intergenerational or extended family or partnership living.

K

They go over here. That's all fine and good. Now we're only focused on the ones.

K

That are rented mm-hmm. How would you assure affordability, do.

K

You think there's enough here to assure affordability in a market driven rental.

K

Economy, it's whatever the market can bear. I have a question to ask you.

J

So I I have a question: I'm wondering if laneways sweets are where we need to be.

J

Focusing that specific question, so I think, there's lots of tools as as I.

J

Mentioned to address this problem of affordability and maybe laneways sweets.

J

Aren't where we're gonna be getting the the most affordability, because it's actually hard to build them affordably, it's very expensive. We know it's.

J

Expensive to build in the city of toronto, so unless there's incentives.

J

That may be coming from the city. I can imagine that it would be hard to make.

J

Them all affordable so minimally, just to push you a little bit, you shouldn't be.

K

Talking about affordability, when you're talking about langley housing, unless we.

K

Put in place a series of policy folks clarify, I say that our housing.

J

Challenges around affordability. I did not claim, as that laneways suites we're.

J

Going to address challenges of affordability, okay, thank you. Although.

B

They will okay. Thank you very much. Counselor counselor mcmahon question and.

E

They you next. Thank you very much. What do you think do you think we should make.

L

A decision today or we should defer this, make a decision. We've been working on.

H

This for three years, with councillors with city staff, with literally thousands.

H

Of torontonians they've waited long enough and this needs to happen now. It's.

H

Flexible enough that it can change and grow with our city, it needs to happen.

H

Now and the last time it was visited at city hall was two years ago, 2006 right.

L

So this is the closest we've we've were we beamed to adopting a laneway politic.

L

So its suites policy yeah and that policy was fundamentally.

H

Flawed, it implied that services would have to be run through the laneway we've.

H

Addressed that simply by focusing on the severability issue and making it.

H

Financially impossible for people to sever laneway houses. Now the servicing.

H

Is already resolved like it already is for any kind of secondary suite within a.

H

House and you feel that you're, the community consultation you've been.

L

Involved with right across the city has been extensive, or we feel that you've.

J

Reached thousands of thousands of people from wards all over this city and we.

J

Have heard unanimous that again, I think we may need to.

J

Redefine how we understand this, this is a missing middle part of the housing.

J

Ecosystem, we are not going to be providing deeply affordable units.

J

Through this strategy- but this is for that middle section- which we know are.

J

Really really struggling to live in by in our communities. We won't have.

J

Teachers living in the city, if we don't come up with new solutions to laneway.

J

Housing or to starting to housing generally, that's the that's the basic.

J

Thing here this is one drop in the bucket really in the grand scheme of.

J

Tools that we need to be moving forward on and how we can think innovatively.

J

Around solutions, I think it's important to note. 2600 torontonians answered our.

H

Online survey we had about 400 people, show up to community consultations and.

H

The city's had another 400 you've had over 400 letters mailed to your offices,.

H

In support of this there's no shortage of people who have been engaged in this.

H

Process and have helped create it. Thank you, okay. Thank you very much for your.

E

Question councillor fragile deck is fuck-all, followed by councillor davis.

E

Any other members, please indicate your your desire to speak with your hand.

A

Thanks, madam thanks, madam chair, and so you said, this is zero to do with.

A

Affordability, I'm wondering how much supply do you think you're going to add.

A

To the housing crisis that we're facing in the toronto and east york, district.

A

Given the nature of the city and the district that we live in and not all the.

A

Parts of the district actually have laneways, so how many units do you think.

A

This endeavor will create the city of vancouver, approves about a hundred.

H

Building permits every year and we think we'd be a little bit higher than that.

H

The city's estimated between I think one and three hundred units a year. Sorry.

A

You're saying that you think you're going to create a hundred units a year.

H

That's what vancouver is doing and we expect to potentially outpace that okay.

A

So and you think, a hundred units a year is going to do you think that that's.

A

Going to solve the supply issue for housing in this city, categorical, yes, no.

H

It's not it's flexibility for okay. Thank you very much, no way. It's part of many.

J

Many things that we need to be doing, but why would we not move ahead on something.

J

That's gonna give us a hundred more units. Thank you very much for those.

E

Answers councillor davis. Thank you. I wanted to ask the same question about.

E

Councillors, can I ask you to keep your debate on the side to a very quiet level.

E

So I don't have to hear it. If I want to hear I want to hear the deputies please.

E

And I want to hear the questions from the members. Please go ahead about.

I

Crowded service type laneways, where these businesses are doing loading and.

I

Whether or not that's appropriate, we we know that commercial, industrial or.

I

Employment lands juxtaposed to residential areas, often caused conflict.

I

And in this situation, you're face to face and whether or not that would.

I

Present any particular issues that you've identified.

H

Right so for the for the laneway suite itself, garbage would.

H

Be collected where it currently is, which is typically on the main street in front.

H

Of the house, so we wouldn't be adding any sort of garbage or servicing.

H

Requirements to the laneway unless it already exists there and in.

H

Our studies very few of the properties where this would apply have an aura zone.

H

Property adjacent to a commercial or employment land property across a.

H

Laneway, there are certainly conditions where that happens.

H

And right now people's houses back onto them, so we don't see it causing any.

H

Adverse effects, I think it's impulse also important to.

J

Note that this is an incremental strategy I feel like we have, can have a.

J

Lot of confidence in staff to that and the slowness of how these houses get.

J

Built to iterate into adjust in situations that maybe aren't perfect so.

J

Those kinds of questions could be sort of developed over time, so the other.

I

Issue is guidelines and we're currently waiting for guidelines. So there's a.

I

Piece of me thinks why, wouldn't we wait till he had guidelines and.

I

I understand we're also doing second suite a secondary suite review under the.

I

Opie somehow, I think those things should all fit together, wouldn't that make.

I

Sense guidelines for laneway suites, along with.

I

The opie amendments for secondary suites, no I'm gonna, ask tab that okay, and so we.

H

We have seen the draft guidelines for the laneway suites and we've read the.

H

Bylaws that are attached to this, and in general they look really good and.

H

They've done a good job of addressing the sensitivities that were provided to.

H

Us by torontonians during our engagement process. Thank you very much. Our next.

E

Speaker there are no more questions. Question often we hear about permit.

F

Parking here you may have been here this morning when you heard the gentleman talking about the developments and permit parking. Have you given some.

F

Consideration to what should happen or your suggestions about a permit at each.

F

Of those laneway homes, that's something that they've tackled or you've thought.

F

About at all, you mean, like street parking permissions.

H

For I'm not sure, I'm not sure what the final decision on that was. There was.

H

Talk of limiting street permit parking for people who build laneways, suites.

H

That's fine by us. Thank you. Thank you very much. Councillor.

E

Fletcher any other members with questions for the speaker, okay, seeing.

E

None thank you to both our speakers. I'd like to call mike olaf render michael.

E

Welcome you will have five minutes. Thank you.

E

I'm michael friend err, I'm architect on the city. We've built a few we've.

M

Renovated some leah noise suites, we built new ones and we just finished a brand new coach house and in the annex and so we're pretty familiar with a lot.

M

Of the challenges of servicing building permitting committee development charges.

M

And on and on as they go so I just wanna say I'm very excited to see this before.

M

You guys today and I really hope we vote for it. I mean.

M

Approve it and we move on and we keep extending opportunities for other lot.

M

Types in the city as well right, I mean secondary suites shouldn't necessarily.

M

Be limited to a lot that has a lane we have if we have a big city that can take.

M

Advantage every us one of one thing I noticed is for instance, a through lot is.

M

Not covered in this, so there are some houses where they, the garage you'll, see.

M

Will front on a street well currently in this zoning that doesn't have the.

M

Permission to have a laneway suite on that lot. The law says it has to have a.

M

Lane, which is totally fine, but I would say this is step number one. We passed it.

M

We know we got to keep moving ahead. I attended the meeting with richard shim.

M

And dawn chong over 15 years ago, and they did that changing lanes book that.

M

Was referenced there, and so it's been a long time coming. Looking at all of these.

M

These options, so you know, I think, deferring, doesn't feel right to me. It.

M

Feels like we should vote and and and move on and free up other types of.

M

Properties and other types of opportunities to build additional.

M

Intensification on the city- it's happening all around us so allowing it.

M

To happen at this scale of property just seems like a long time coming, so I don't.

M

Have any more to say on that, but I'm happy to answer any questions. If yes,.

E

Thank you very much, michael for your remarks. Councillor crusty, followed by.

E

Councillor mcmahon that would be councillor layton. I know sorry. We looked.

N

The same I'm just gonna get some free professional advice. What's the cost per.

N

Square foot to build a laneway house, everyone gets their pads and paper just.

N

To try to I mean I'll, try and weasel out of as much as I can come on, not gonna, be.

M

Cheap is it's gonna be difficult, because you're gonna have to build the foundation and figure out if we're doing basements and there's a lot of program.

M

People want to put in these languages, which we've had a lot of people since this initiative has started. They've been coming to us, because everyone has that.

M

Need and it's always a specific need, so someone has a grandmother and some of.

M

Them are gonna, be nanny sweets. Some people want to put parking garage. We've.

M

Got one client who's looking at putting a car elevator, so you can put a second elevator in the basement, so they can free up the space for that for the.

M

Laneway suite so in some instances it's going to be you.

M

Know: $200 a square foot and some maybe 400 and how much in your experience or.

N

With this last example, how much does the the cost of the dc the going to the.

N

Committee, like what does that represent in an actual cost well on the project.

M

We've done in admiral, which is probably the the last new koto system built. I'm a.

M

Virgin lop and didn't have a historic coach house. The development charges were.

M

Almost a hundred thousand and the approach was they met with one of the.

M

Lawyers here and they said you know, there's and pay the fee get the permits.

M

Then appeal it and we'll see what happens later on. So it's a because they.

M

They knew that development charges were artificially high because you have to.

M

You have to essentially value the lot. It was a long process, but in this case I.

M

Believe, there's an exception for development charges, immunity adjustment.

M

Process is another project because right now you know if someone comes into our.

M

Office with a regular project they're looking at nine months until they get.

M

Their permit, in the best case scenario, knowing that ninety-five percent of our.

M

Projects have some element: that's not going to comply with the bylaw, and I.

M

Would say this probably similar things are going to come up with these. You know.

M

It's impossible to make a perfect violin right. Every lots, different every user is.

M

Going to be different, so we passed this, we keep moving and some language suites.

M

Are gonna have to go for a special zoning variances? Okay, thank you.

L

Councillor mcmahon, thank you very much so you're saying that this in your mind,.

L

This would be, today's policy would be phase one and that phase two. We should.

L

Look at other types of secondary suites, so late garages backing on to our face.

L

Fronting onto an arterial road driveways with a garage at the end, absolutely yes,.

M

We need phase 2 phase 3. This is not enough. Well, there's a limitation in the.

M

Bylaw to having two houses on a loss and every time we've had a historic property.

M

There's a lot of historic properties that have two houses on a lot and so.

M

When someone comes in- and they say they come to our office and say we have a house on, we have two houses on a lot we're like jackpot. We can. We can work.

M

With that now right, and so the first thing is knocking down this barrier- that.

M

Says that the only other suite can be in the basement and once you've knocked.

M

That barrier down, for instance, we've done accessory structures. You can have.

M

An accessory structure where you can have a in other parts of the city in.

M

North york and whatnot, you want to have a gym in your backyard. If you have a.

M

Certain type of classification you can have that gym, but no one can sleep in.

M

The gym, god forbid, someone sleeps in the gym right. So I think it's phase, one of a.

M

Living document and living process- and you and you'd like to see it passed.

L

Today, absolutely thank you. Thank you very much for your remarks. I'd like to.

E

Call sitaram, kala, wan singh and following sita will be jennifer hunter.

E

Sita welcome back. Thank you. You have five minutes.

O

Good afternoon everybody I'd like to make it clear that I do.

O

Support the concept of laneways suites, but the devil is in the details and.

O

Today, for example, we received, for the very first time a copy of revised.

O

Amendments to the zoning bylaw, and if you look for example, if you have it at.

O

The section 1 5 0.8 point 20.1 general, the first point which talks about.

O

Laneways suite permitted uses, it says, despite regulation, blah blah blah the.

O

Laneway suite may be used for living accommodation if this is supposed to.

O

Provide housing, why does not it's safe will or shall, as.

O

Opposed to may so there are many prop there. As I said, we've only seen this for.

O

The first time today this is an amendment and if there's any reason for.

O

Deferring one round to get all of these things right, I think that should happen.

O

So the question around deferral is not about, we don't support or we don't like.

O

Or we don't want, it has to do with some problems that are.

O

In there's, the way in which it has been drafted, there are recommendations in the.

O

Communications from harvard village from abc residents, association from seton.

O

Village, which provides some significant detail, which I think you need to really.

O

Take a look at and tightened up so when it comes back in june, there's absolutely.

O

No difficulty in moving this forward because you know my motto is more haste.

O

Less speed, if you move this forward the way it is you're gonna wind up in a.

O

Situation where people are unhappy and we'll do the appeal process and it might.

O

Be another year or two before we actually get to implementation, so I'm.

O

Urging you to take the months to get this right. My second point, since some.

O

Specific details are, for example, weeds witness in the grange neighborhood. I'm.

O

In from the grange community association, where people have been using committee.

O

For just meant to get around a zoning bylaw in this particular instance, the.

O

Way in which I read this amendment to the zoning bylaw, there is no the.

O

Floorspace calculation is not included, it provides as of right, 0.3 times area.

O

Of the lot, so where does that actually get us in terms of the density and.

O

Maximum density, and will that not contribute to destabilization of stable.

O

Neighborhoods, so I think that there's needs to be some tightening up over the.

O

Floor space and the forex, and so that needs to be done. There is some comment.

O

About monitoring- and I think that the monitoring needs to happen sooner than.

O

Three years, because we want to know how many are being built, we want to know as.

O

Well, in addition to how many being built, we know what the impact is.

O

S-Mint will be- and I know that may not happen until 2020, but we don't want to.

O

Be in a situation where we actually want to understand what's actually going on, I.

O

Don't really have anything further to say I mean I'm intend to be back here in.

O

June to actually comment on the corrections that are made my cover.

O

Letter outlines the whole bunch of issues that I think need to be need to.

O

Be principles which govern this. Thank you very much.

E

Thank you very much, don't go anywhere. You have questions from council erma.

E

Havok, yes, thank you very much for coming and presenting um so one of one of the.

K

Issues that you've identified is density calculations so, right now it's an.

K

Accessory unit, it's not counted in the density calculation, for a community of.

K

Adjustment purposes, I'll just finish the question and if you do it so, let's say.

K

You add on, I don't know whatever it is, I say 300 say 500 square feet and into the.

K

Back onto your garage you're saying that if later on, the house wants to put on a.

K

Third floor that that size, that garage might need to be calculated in the.

K

Density consideration for them. Putting on a third floor, I mean of the main.

O

House or the main house yeah, we run into situations like this before, where.

O

Because of definitions of girls, floor area and so on, people have actually been.

O

Granted approvals, which are way in excess of the permitted density, so the.

O

Way in which I'm reading some of this, and it seems to me that increasingly.

O

Zoning and density has no meaning in the planning regime.

O

In the city, I'm a little bit concerned about dutch any other big areas like big.

K

Things that strike you as an experienced um person that we need to look at I'm.

O

Really concerned about the destabilization of neighborhoods and the.

O

Other comment I would make is that, even though this is only limited to streets.

O

Which are residential lanes are. I think that there are examples where there is.

O

Commercial and residential on the other side, there's one that I know of in my.

O

Neighborhood, which is coming forward- and I think it's entirely appropriate to.

O

Take a look at some commercial strips, maybe not as part of this exercise, but.

O

In some other some other exercise, but you know I would really urge a detailed.

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Review of the recommendations from sacred village from abc residents and.

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Contrary to what somebody said earlier about residents, associations not having.

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Any place in this debate, I disagree with that because we do have ongoing detailed.

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Conversations all the time with members of our association and they actually.

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Count upon us to feed that and bring it forward. Thank you very much. Sita your.

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Next set of questions is coming from councillor davis, followed by councillor.

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Mcmahon yeah and I will ask this of staff- you didn't comment on it, but no.

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Sir, can I speak into your mic or ii-if if these are as of right buildings, we.

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May see the loss of more trees, or at least I worry about what the impact will.

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Be on trees! I wonder if you've looked at that, oh well, I know that the other.

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Residents groups have looked at it in great detail and the kind of minimum.

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Distances from the main house building and so on, actually, I think, creates.

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Stress upon the amount of green space that would be available.

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And in downtown neighborhoods such as the one that I live, in, which we are.

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Under there's limited amount of green space, and so on and so forth, you don't.

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Want to have every single little bit of back yard, even if it's you know, half of.

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It you, you want to make sure, there's sufficient space green space for trees,.

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For drainage and so on and so forth, yes- and I should have mentioned green issues.

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Mm-Hmm, it's right now, as of right. Trees disappear all the time during.

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Redevelopment right as of right developments, they it trump's our tree by.

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Law so I mean I know many. This will be mostly on existing garages, but it may.

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Not be, there may be a whole bunch of new ones that where trees exist and if it's.

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As of right, we could lose what few trees we have when part of the draft a zoning.

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Bylaw I was looking at has some examples of the percentage levels you know 25.

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Percent to 85 percent a bit demo anyway, I think that needs to be refined. A.

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Little bit, okay, thank you counsel. Thank you very much. Counselor counselor.

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Mcmahon questions. Thank you very much so see the yurt thanks for coming down your.

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Residence association has some concerns, as you said, and a couple other ones and.

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Have you heard and read about the other residents associations who don't have.

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Concerns and they think this is fantastic and we should get on with it.

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Yeah yeah, I heard that, but there are other residents associations who have.

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Done extensive reviews in greater detail- and I would suggest perhaps maybe in.

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Greater deal because everybody part of what I think, the submission I've heard.

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From everybody so far is that there are a lot of people who support this, so they.

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Support it, but I don't know to what extent they've actually taken the time.

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To look through, you know the details and the implementation, and that's why we've.

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Taken the time to do it because we live in a very.

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Dance downtown neighborhood, because we want to make this work and I think it.

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Needs to work, but it cannot be, you know, have moved forward in a way that you.

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Know undermines neighborhoods, and, and did you voice that when you came out to.

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Some of the community consultations, I went to two of them and I have had.

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Several email exchanges with the planner he's fully aware of our concerns, so you.

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You feel that you want to take a month and get it right, and then you have other.

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Groups, landscape and evergreen and and planners at the city who feel that they.

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Have gotten it right with this, and then you have other groups like earn.

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Residents is you heard the deputy before you who said this is this should be this.

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Is just scratching the surface, it should be phase one and we need you face. Two.

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And three, and so, do you not think that there's a balance somewhere in the.

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Middle there there lies the sweet spot. Is your experience here when you you.

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Know that if you're not pleasing, if everyone is not pleased, then you found.

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The sweet spot that may well be so, but I do believe that there are problems that.

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Were in the zoning, bylaw didn't need to be fixed for you to achieve what it is.

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You want to achieve councillor yeah, I mean there's a balance, yes and thank you.

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Okay, thank you very much councillor mcmahon councillor by lao. Please.

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Questions. Thank you. Thank you see that you did say that do you have.

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Participated in the consultation, so you recognise that there has been an effort.

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From city staff to meet with the residents, associations and and actually.

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Work with some of the residents associations that themselves have done.

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Quite a bit of work on this correct, so is it? Would it be possible to do this.

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Work between now and council as well, that there's a recommendation that we.

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Actually, instead of deferring it that we actually just ask staff to between the.

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Now and counsel in three weeks that we continue that work that you've been.

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Doing and so many resident associations have been doing with our staff and that.

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We acknowledge, I acknowledge as well, that the right has that the work has to.

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Be done right, but acknowledging that there's been a lot of work being put.

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Into it and continue that work until council, it's not the first time we've.

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Done that we do that, all the time would that be acceptable? Well, we as residents.

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Don't have the opportunity first of all, to address council, we will not have the.

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Opportunity of their revisions to the official plan amendment or the job.

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Zoning of bylaw to comment on it, except by a way of communications. You know, as I.

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Said fairly early on more haste, less speed, so I'd like to take the time to.

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Get it right so you're, just you're. Basically, message is that this is moving.

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Too fast, no, I don't think it's moving too fast. I'm! I don't think that a month.

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Will jeopardize this but moving it in three weeks? Would if you don't have it.

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Right, you run the risk of appeals which takes you a year out or two years out am.

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I done yes, thank you very much. You did very well. That was a lot of questions.

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For you, jennifer hunter I'd like to on a very quick point. I'm sorry before I call.

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The next speaker, on a point of personal privilege, I'd like to recognize councillor layton, so in an effort to speed up some of the proceedings later.

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In the in the meeting, if there are members of the public for here on items,.

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Te 32.3 one. Thirty, two point: three, two thirty two point: three: three and thirty.

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Two point three four: these are all for your information patios in ward 19 on.

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College street, if you are, if you could just meet me at that back door, I'm gonna.

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Try to save your time and this committees. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Counselor, that is a very efficient okay, so I'd like to call jennifer hunter.

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After jennifer will be karen gore's line. Welcome, jennifer thanks; okay, so you'll.

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Have five minutes the clock is, on your left hand, side. I I just want to make.

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Absolutely clear that if I depute today, I will have another chance if, in fact, we.

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Do come back in in a month. That's I'll! Just stop the clock. Yes, you.

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Will have another chance, there's a very good chance that this item is going to.

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Have to come back with a series of supplementary reports: okay, I'm taking a.

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Guess into the future, I don't know for certain my I think smart money would be.

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Yes, okay. Does that make sense? If I was a betting woman, I'm not a gambler myself.

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I'll start your clock now: okay, may I approach and pass if you can hand it to.

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Our clerk staff, we will have be happy to distribute that for you, okay, not a.

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Problem this group can share when you're ready five minutes thanks um thanks for.

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Having us me, I'm jennifer hunter, I'm the chair of the seton village residents.

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Association, I do apologize because I had a family that was that was here. This.

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Morning who had to leave and they they live behind a laneway house in our.

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Neighborhood that that has some some problematic issues, so I'm gonna slightly.

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Shift what I'm gonna say just to to kind of reflect some of the things that.

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They've said to me and we've dealt with so seton village is a neighborhood in.

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Ward 24 now bound by bluer, bluer, bathurst, dupont and christie streets.

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There are 45 lanes in seton village and approximately 40 existing ancillary.

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Buildings, ranging in height from one to two stories and with varying depths and.

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Other conditions on those laneways some are currently used as non-conforming.

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Residential suites, while others are work studios, I'm not going to tell you who.

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They are because I don't want to get them in trouble. Artists, lofts, storage,.

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And or other types of live work, commercial spaces, at least two of these.

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Structures were former stables and housed horses on the main floor and hay.

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And supplies on the second, so in our neighborhood lot, size vary, but.

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The average hovers around this 16 to 90-foot range and, like the rest of.

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Toronto, home types of very so some of the the anomalies in the neighborhood.

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Water lots at once contain abattoirs out of mechanic, shops, bakeries and other.

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Commercial ventures, but a few of those have been converted into live workspaces.

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Off the lane ways and in your package, you'll you'll see one at two of those.

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And and they actually work really successfully as lane way home, but there.

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You in the package they're the two they're really similar, they're brick.

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Two-Story kind of nicely set back off the side, so what I have to say is that.

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Best known for his services white house, chief of staff to president richard.

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Nixon and for his role and events leading to the watergate, burglaries in.

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The watergate scandal or h, haldeman famously said you can't put the.

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Toothpaste back in the tube the s vieira believes toronto can and should benefit.

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From other cities like vancouver's process, including their process, challenges and revisions, I want to be very clear that we do support laneway.

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Housing absolutely we do like sita said we want to get this right. The first time.

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We also know far too much. Neighborhood planning already happens at the.

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Committee of adjustment in the omb and nail t lab. We have repeatedly.

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Experienced how this process pits neighbors against one another and how.

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Results, this results in the erosion of relationships within the neighborhood.

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Many of our concerns with this final report have to do with the room left for.

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Interpretations the permissions in these recommended policies allow so briefly.

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And without refinement, our specific concerns include the as of right.

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Permissions, we think the streamlined processes is great, but there are some.

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Good and problematic aspects to this, we believe existing buildings. Sorry that.

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Existing buildings will be exempt and can simply be approved, regardless of.

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Their size massing, gfa and fsi. We believe the density of the ad, the.

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Accessory dwelling should be included, not excluded.

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Wiebel also believe that neff gfa, what happens you'll see in the package, one of.

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The last the last pieces in the package is a house that was was significantly.

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Developed in our neighborhood, so what's gonna happen with over.

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Development of the main building or the house like what, if it's already over.

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Developed and how is that, measured or considered when, when somebody goes on.

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That lot to create a laneway dwelling are there controls for limiting the.

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Amount of development in the main house with a laneway suite and please note.

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This is not about density, it's about massing loss of green space.

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The tree canopy, shadowing and privacy concerns we also believe basement suites.

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Ought to be included in the g fa of the main building. There are as you'll see in.

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Our package there's a house, I didn't, I didn't for privacy reasons list any of.

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The addresses, but there's one at the beginning of the package that has I.

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Don't have it you do so it's it's at the beginning. It's it's a it's a really.

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Great-Looking laneway house or you're gonna be out of time very soon. Just.

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General want to put that if you want to put the image on to the screen, we'll.

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Just amplify that and just have the image, looking look at the image as if it.

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Was directly in front of you there you go.

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Okay and I'll just give you 30 seconds to finish your remarks, I can do that so.

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What we see in this backyard, you know, as as councillor davis pointed out, one of.

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The things that we're really concerned with is how certain encroach.

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They're going to affect the backyard, and in this backyard we have astroturf.

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Basement stairs stairs, leading up to the suites of the main building, so so.

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Agreeing with sita ram cala, wan singh and other residents associations we're.

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Not saying no we're asking to really really consider the details. Okay, thank.

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You very much are there questions for the speaker. Councillor davis go ahead.

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It's time to understand, so your position is the g fa should include a second.

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Suite we think that the g fa of the accessory dwelling of the the suite.

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Ought to be ought to be considered like it should. It should be it the. As of.

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Right permissions without the gf8 could be problematic, depending on the size of.

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The lot and and those and some of the where we think we see the loopholes, is.

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Is with some of the setbacks, can you show us some of the other pictures that.

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You were using to make whatever points these your microphone on. Yes, my.

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Microphone is on. Thank you sure. I know you. You did a lot of work to prepare.

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These and they're, not they weren't. Seeing that look at the image facing you.

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Perfect, thank you, privacy. The height is.

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Not really a concern, the setbacks from the side are pretty great. There's.

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There's actually access to the rear yard. I didn't take it from the the laneway. I.

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Apologize but I did this is the house, the backyard and you can see how, in this.

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Instance, the conditions are our very optimal right same way, with the.

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With the walk through to the backyard, it's got all of the this is sort of like.

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To me, this seems like the best case scenario for for supporting laneways.

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Sweets and then you've got other instances and there's another one. Just.

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Like that, and then you have other instances where something like this.

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Where this is an existing, this structure is actually larger than the main house.

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And this is the backyard I took from the fence because that's the one you showed.

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Us before we thought no, this is a third example, so this is one where there's no.

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Access there's no access from the lane to the rear yard and there is there's a.

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Number of the house is smaller than the laneway house and there's a number of I.

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Mean look at there's a lot of trees, because the house, nor this is an.

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East-West facing house, so you can see the house to the north. It's.

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Significantly developed so they do have, I don't hope, that's not a dead tree, but.

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That's a tree nonetheless, and the cedars helped to create the privacy, but whether.

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This is good, bad or indifferent. It's just isn't existing. It's an existing.

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Condition, that's all we really wanted to to be able to show you. Thank you great.

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Thank you very much. Are there any other members with.

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Questions of the speaker, okay, seeing none. Thank you very much. Jennifer I'd.

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Like to thank you, I'd like to care, I call a karen gore's line and, following.

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Karen's deputation hi karen welcome back we'll be glenn smith. Just to prepare you.

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Oh you're, going together: okay, wonderful, karen and glenn. Are you splitting your.

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Time or you just combining the five and five okay so have a seat and I'll start.

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Your clock will let it run for ten minutes.

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Don't have to do anything with the microphone.

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Sorry just hit the button, so the light is on if the lights on it means your, but.

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Your microphone is hot ready to go. Okay. Thank you very much.

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I always get confused. Thank you for the opportunity to be here and speak with.

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You glenn and I are from the abc or a karen if you can just hold on, if I can.

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Ask all the extra chatter in the room just come to just just drop it a little.

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Bit we want to be able to hear members of the public we're gonna, try that again.

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We're gonna okay go ahead, I'm gonna start restarting. It started. Okay. Thank.

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You appreciate that thank you for the opportunity to speak glenn and I are.

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From the abc ra, which is the residence association and we're not here to speak,.

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Whether laneway houses are good or bad. We're really here to talk about the.

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Submission the report and on the specific details and we'll be speaking.

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To our outstanding concerns, after having gone through the consultation process, so.

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I just wanted to set that context before we start. We have done a submission there.

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Are two there's some policy concerns we have in terms of the provincial policy.

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We really would hope that toronto would express and respond to provincial.

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Requirements in ways that are both consistent with provincial policy, but.

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Also makes sense with our urban context and enhancements as a premier, world city.

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As and this is anticipated in the provincial policy itself and the golden.

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Horseshoe policy, the other thing is: we are concerned that the neighbourhood.

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Policies and the official plan policies two three and four, and also our.

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Knowledged and confirmed to apply to laneway houses.

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Even though they don't specifically in those policies, recommend speak to.

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Laneway houses as being a possibility. We want those same provisions to carry over.

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And apply the second, the other thing is: we want secondary plans and.

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Site-Specific policy and obviously heritage districts to have standing with.

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Respect to these and not be overridden by the provisions of the laneway houses.

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So and then the other thing is so from that point of view, what we would be.

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Looking for is assurances in those regards, and also assurances or amendment to the opa 403, to make sure that this is.

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Absolutely clear that this is subordinate to those other policies, so.

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That's sort of our one point also is: when we look at the downtown plan, we.

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Look at the description of laneways- and one thing we do know is that there's.

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Different kinds of lane wise sizes, shapes ted and curves commercial backing.

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And the thing is we to ask all lane ways to do everything, maybe a stretch. So what.

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We are saying, is we think that lane ways should be looked and considered into.

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That in terms of their own individual, appropriate use, there may be some that.

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Can support all all uses? There may be some that can only support a few uses.

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And we do elaborate on that in terms of that particular point in terms of cook.

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You could have food carts and a little read retail carts and others. You can.

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Barely get through a car through, maybe you have a laneway house, but maybe you.

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Can't take bikes so there's you know, there's a number of things to be taken.

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Into consideration with that and then so fine, so that just is from the policy.

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Context wanting to know that those securities and perfections and there's.

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Those protections and there's full clarity on which takes precedence, as is.

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Upfront why our neighborhoods important we often hear that referred to as the.

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Lungs of the city, but we think they're much more. We think they we already.

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Provide a diverse, arrange if you go walking down the streets of our.

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Neighborhoods they're, encircled by large buildings and they're in the context of.

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Very high density, in some cases, they're a respite. If you walk through one, you.

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Sort of you, you feel like you're, in a different they're on a different place, a.

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Snapshot of the historical periods- and there are differentiation for the city.

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Of toronto, so from that point of view, that's some of our specifics in terms of.

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A policy context in terms of broad issues: we have concerns about.

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Accountability and balance once a lane right lane weights our lane way, houses.

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Are as of right, some owner is conferred with rights and benefits, and.

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Come from another owner adjacent to them, and so many so right now people would.

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Have access to being aware of a structure usually and it's and be able.

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To look at ceo, because committee of adjustment, many properties are not even.

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Aware but and it's unclear how they will respond and whether to what extent they.

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Will call you when someone starts building in the neighborhood, the other.

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Thing is: if someone wants to build an addition to an existing house there, they.

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Would have to go through the full process, there's another point in terms.

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Of what benefits are given to individual language houses, then, are those.

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Applicable to other people, doing affordable housing or in the.

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Neighborhoods in the mixed-use level, three and four so there's a number of.

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Things along that line that are outlined, I think one of the key things is that.

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Similar to the toothpaste is it's a lot easier to grow it and build it than to.

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Try to mitigate three years later and tried it, you can't do a take-back.

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Affordability, we've talked about that in terms of I've, heard conversations on.

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That it questions whether you feel that business is affordable, whether the pilot.

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Is appropriate accessibility? We feel that this is a missed opportunity not to.

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Be more aggressive on the accessibility and finally, in conclusion, we feel that.

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An open streets and service and privacy and overlook, have not really been well.

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Supported, in particular the privacy and overlook, which was the main one of the main reasons it wasn't allowed before and there's a few other things in my.

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Submission, but it's now glenn's turn. Okay, I'm here to address specifics that.

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Are in that are in the draft guidelines right now in the bylaw proposals there.

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Seems to be a pressure to move on without actually discussing specifics.

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And I'm kind of concerned that a lot of the meetings, including the meetings and.

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The consultations, a lot of specifics, have not been discussed. Our goal in part.

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Is if this gets implemented and when this gets implemented is to make certain.

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It's done right. It was argued that you know this initiative and initiatives.

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Like it can provide opportunities for people to live in ground, related housing.

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And for residents to live close to where they work shop and play. However, the.

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Current official plan amendment and zoning amendment proposal is limited to.

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The patien area of te whai cc and not being implemented citywide and it's not being considered for implementation. Citywide.

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The current official plan amendment and zoning amendment proposal also does not.

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Address garden and backyard units on properties with no lane access where.

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There may indeed be significant width and depth on properties. These ignored.

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Opportunities have eliminated a wide range of properties and neighborhoods.

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From offering the benefits that the initiative was intended to bring to the.

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City, it's led to consideration of building secondary housing on lots as.

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Narrow as 3 metres and winds will disregarding intensification.

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Opportunities and much wider properties merely because those properties don't.

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Back onto laneways, a study of other jurisdictions show that new cities such.

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As vancouver in ottawa, backyards and properties that do not back onto.

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Laneways are often ideal properties to secondary suite development and those.

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Cities have implemented the program simultaneously and looked at this as a.

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Combined effort for intensification not for laneways now backyards later, but as.

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A city as a whole I'd argue. The current proposals provide.

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A single-minded attempt to shoehorn suites into narrow lanes and properties.

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Will ignoring greater and other intensification opportunities, a couple.

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Of issues I want to address one is overlooked: the focus on laying lay only.

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Secondary suites and the narrow lots in which they can be permitted has led to potential privacy and low overlook issues. The proposal at.

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Present allows for, as of right permission, to build secondary suites of up to 6 metres. If these units are indeed meant to be subordinate to the main.

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Building on a lot, the maximum height should not be allowed to exceed the.

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Height of the main building on the property, if this main building is a.

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Bungalow, a 6-litre secondary unit may become the dominant structure on the.

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Property when we permit 6 metres, which is 20 feet high for those of us who are.

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Not metric oriented, we prevent 6 metres to be built as of right. We're also.

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Potentially, adding substantial shadow and overlook on neighboring neighbouring.

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Yards and when we build on the net, when we do build on the narrowest of possible.

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Lots a 6 metre or 20 foot pulse secondary unit can have major overlooked.

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Impact on neighboring properties, according to.

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Planning amendment second-floor window and fenestration guidelines could not be.

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Enforced, thus, the allowance of six meters as of right should be reconsidered. We we proposed single story and it's a four.

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Meter should be permitted to be permitted as of right and that two.

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Stories six meter units should be subjected to review based on their impact on neighboring properties. I also know that second floor dormers are.

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Committed in the proposed planning and zoning amendments, and these dormers can.

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Present significant overlook from second floor suites if they're allowed, as of.

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Right, the proposed amendments also lead substantial reduction in open yard space.

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In many neighborhoods a 5 meter, minimum setback has been amended today. The four.

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Leaders in the bylaw plan set back from the main house, which means the one-story.

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Suite can promote shrinking of a back yard and sizes in some neighborhoods. If.

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You reduce a 7 meter, deep yard by 30% and for the new guidelines by up to 42%.

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Shrinkage of yard, even a 4 meter high secondary unit, will cause light. Sun.

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Issues with neighbors, who want to maintain a yard 13 feet, is an imposing.

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Height, we suggest a sound point in me: 7.5 meters setback as a minimum for all.

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Suites, the proposal also allows for roof, canopies and awning stuff facing the.

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Backyard to be up to 250 2.5 meters in length.

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This means yards can be as small as 2 meters green spaces not covered by.

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Canopies, we don't think neither deep lots. Open spaces should be acceptable.

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When you're out of time, your final thought is the one thing they didn't.

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Talk about was how traffic may impact the laneway, for example, no matter what.

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We say delivery services, taxis, ubers, grocery deliveries will be through the.

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Laneway not through the front of the house front property. That's it just.

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Doesn't make sense? Ok, thank you very much. Are there any questions for the.

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For both the speakers councillor davis, councillor fletcher, mmm I just don't ask.

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For you to repeat again, the how you came up with to square two meters could be.

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The yard, so what's leftover in terms of the yard size, that's if you take into.

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Consideration, canopies yeah right now. The guidelines as of this morning.

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Because we only saw them, we got them this morning. The revised amendment suggests that the space between the original house and the unit, the new unit.

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Can be as little as four meters four meters, the secondary unit is allowed to.

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Have a deck with a canopy root and it's also called roof or canopy of up to 2.5.

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Meters or 50% of that yard space. So if we have a four meter and of the yards so.

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If we have a whatever is smaller, if we have a four meter yard space, we're then.

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Allowed to cover two meters of that with a canopy for a duct on one of the units.

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And that deck could be four meters high, causing shadow on neighborhood.

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Properties and basically allowing two meters of yard space. If the actual house.

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That's backing on doesn't already have, and it's amazing how those cover decks.

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Just kind of get walls and yes months, later yeah. So what I'm saying is today.

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Basically, when we take a look at these rules, I don't think people have really.

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Taken a thought at saying: what's this gonna look like in the real world, let's go to some properties, let's go to a range of neighborhoods and actually look.

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At this and measure this so one of the first things I did was go out and measure my garage, my car park, my car ports, taller than I wanted it to be. You.

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Know how you get designs and you sell designer yeah, it's approved, go ahead and do it well. My my garage is only three meters high and when it was built I was.

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And it's actually taller than most of my neighbor's garages when it was built.

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I was surprised on how much sunlight I lost in all, but the peak of summer, in my.

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Yard I would have liked my garage to be shorter. Now it would cost me a small.

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Fortune to lower it, but I lost a lot of sunlight with a three meter high garage.

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And we're saying we're gonna allow four meters.

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As of right- and it can be four meters away from a house mm-hmm that strikes me.

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As a not great way to add lunch to the city, I'm not opposed to this process in.

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General as I started my discussion, I said very much that we should be looking.

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At all kinds of properties, not just lean abutting properties, because there's.

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Great opportunities to build, but I don't think you should be focusing as step one.

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On the narrowest possible properties, properties as narrow as three meters and.

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Winds right be building secondary suites. Before we look at how people have really.

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Large yards! Yes, so of course, if you, you could use an air hole, very small.

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Property and get this extra density just because you're on a lane. But you don't.

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Even have to use the lane, you can use the front, whereas there could be much.

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Larger properties- pardon me wasn't sure.

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That was a question. Oh, if it was you maybe, if you'd listened longer. Okay, okay,.

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Gotten to it, so if it is possible, then that you could be using some of the.

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Poorer candidates for lack of a better word small yards and giving them.

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Permissions that would have excessive coverage, whereas only because they have.

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A laneway yes where's there might be other properties bigger, more appropriate. Yes, we're very street would not be.

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Significant that or not on a lane way, but would be much more appropriate.

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Because they have larger lots, this this to me, is a one-size-fits-all solution.

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That tries to shoehorn units into anywhere. You can possibly get one in and.

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Also, when you look at other jurisdictions, I do not recall seeing.

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Other jurisdictions that allow for such narrow spaces to be used, the vancouver.

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And ottawa proposals seem to suggest properties to be much wider. Now I know.

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Toronto is very different, so we shouldn't be using their guidelines because they're not implementable, but we can learn from them and why start with.

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The narrowest possible properties, the first go-around as a town.

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When we can at least explore, maybe three meters isn't the right width, maybe four.

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Meters from the house isn't ideal or maybe it changes by neighborhoods. There.

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Are some neighborhoods where people don't have yards already so building a.

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You know replacing your garage or the secondary suite may be fine, but there's.

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Other other neighborhoods, where there's seven meter or a meter deep er yard,.

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Space plus garages, and why should we allow some reduction of space in yards.

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Because of because of these guidelines now I realize this is all puzzle, pieces.

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You have to build into a property, so I need to be suggesting a worst-case scenario, but I do see if I was to apply it to my.

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Yard I can reduce my own yard by about six or eight feet right now, legally.

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According to the guidelines, and that doesn't even get into the issues like.

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How wide the line is and all that good stuff, okay,.

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Thank you. Thank you very much. Councillor davis, councillor fletcher. I just.

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Wondered- and I missed that, where your residents association is located in the.

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Nature of those homes, it sounds like you have tiny lots where you are well. We we.

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Have a mix abc is bounded in the south by bloor street, on the north, by the cpr.

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Tract sandler's between avenue and yonge, so we're all of the yorkville hazleton.

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All the dogs of high-intensity development along new york fill after.

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The cpr we have three neighborhoods, we have the camera of the names, the ramsden.

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Which is north of ramsden park? We have asked with in yorkville and some of our.

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Streets have very narrow properties, and so our streets are fairly wide properties and our laneways are extremely laying dead and and sharp.

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Curved mirrors, because it's a very old part of the city, so what I'm hearing one.

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Of your concerns is just the size of the lots, and I also heard you mentioned.

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Something about the width of the lane waste your lane ways fairly wide or.

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Narrow very narrow, very narrow, very my measured one at nine point six feet so.

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You're suggesting supposed to within that, if you can thank garden, I'm just.

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You're suggesting that in this report we should be considering the nature size of.

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The laneway, and that are you suggesting we would exclude a certain width of.

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Laneway from this or certain lot width based on the impact of being so close.

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And losing sunlight, which I've heard you talk about. Let me speak, you feel that's.

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Been looked at, let me ask you this: do you feel that's been considered enough.

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And what's before us today, let me speak to one piece and then I'll.

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Pass it over to glenn in terms of the lane way, the city looks at five meter.

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Wide lane ways, if lane way houses would be going in that we would have to factor.

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In its the expansion of the size of lane way not necessarily immediately but.

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Permit that, in addition to any setback for the landscaping or bicycle parking,.

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Or whatever, so we would want to have that factored in as part of it and maybe.

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What I get sorry that said right now, the plan does not allocate to have minimum.

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Five meter wide lanes plus setback for the units there's just a total setback.

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Number from the lane, no matter how narrow the lien is, I'm just gonna go.

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After my question was that something obviously you've had these conversations.

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As part of your consultation, correct, yes, do you feel that your concerns are.

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Reflected here today and what's in front of us or that, that's something that we.

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Need to do a little bit more work on to look after some of the situations you're.

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Describing to us today- and I think probably our and some of the really.

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Really old parts of the city of toronto compared to some of the newer.

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Subdivisions where the lanes may be fine, iíve seen lanes in the city that are.

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Bigger than our street, our public street- oh you're, suggesting I didn't suggest it.

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Around what you're asking us for here, I'm suggesting we need to do some more.

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Work to look at appropriate uses, I think its width of lane ways with and width of.

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Lots to be factored into some of the conversations that what you're asking.

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Yes, okay, thank you. I just wanted to be really clear. Thank you and yes, we have.

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Brought these points up before yes, but no you're talking to us exactly thank.

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You clear what you're asking and thank you for your question of making us be clear. Thank you very much. Counselor for the.

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Questions anyone else, okay, seeing none. Thank you very much for the residents.

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For their deputation technically on the list nexus mike collins, but I believe.

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That there's been an arrangement to allow michelle sanaya to speak. First.

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Because michelle has to leave michelle's- and I are you here still oh.

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You're still here so, let's get you in here and michelle you'll have five.

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Minutes when you're ready all right thanks so much everyone for juggling.

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Around the schedule, I know that can be hard. Sometimes my name is michelle.

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Sanaya, I'm co-founder and executive director of the laneway project we're a.

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Not-For-Profit planning in place making organization and we're focused on.

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Unlocking the potential of toronto's laneways as complete public spaces that.

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Are fully integrated into the public realm of the city, so I'm here to speak.

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Specifically sort of to that angle- and we do that through demonstration project.

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Through planning policy improvements and also through the development of public.

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Planning resources, so over the last three and a half years we've worked with.

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Local communities to improve laneways in more than 25 neighborhoods throughout.

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The city running sort of the length and breadth of that laneway network and and.

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We do this because- and you know, as we've heard from various people today and I'm.

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Sure, through some of the other, the other items that you're considering we know.

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That neighborhoods with a range of tools and options which can help them to.

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Tailor growth to their particular context are more able to grow as unique.

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And livable communities- and you know a livable community to us- is one that has.

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Along with you know, as we've heard today, a diversity of high-quality housing.

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Options also a diversity of high-quality public spaces available near to where.

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People live so it's noted sort of variously in the toronto complete.

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Streets guidelines, the upcoming public realm amendment to the official plan and.

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The upcoming teok or propose downtown plan that laneways in.

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Particular are well-placed to augment the city's pedestrian network by.

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Providing additional, safe and accessible walking routes and that, where possible,.

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They should be designed with consideration for safe, accessible and.

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Comfortable pedestrian and cyclist movement and then focusing on.

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Residential lane ways in particular, it's noted that they have the opportunity to.

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Become attractive, public spaces that support informal play and social.

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Interaction for surrounding residents and sort of the reason that this is.

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Relevant to today's discussion is that laneway suites can really help to unlock.

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This potential inherent in our city's laneways as safe and appealing public.

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Spaces and routes by activating them with you know, routine everyday use.

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Passive surveillance and also to design features like lighting and greening to.

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Improve the attractiveness and also the public space amenity of those laneways.

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And their usefulness to local residents, so I guess that.

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That's sort of it in a nutshell. I like to keep it short and sweet, um but but.

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I'm here to strongly recommend that the toronto and east york community council.

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Adopt the proposed opions zoning amendments to help to add this tool to.

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The toolkit that the city has to work with and and to help to unlock the.

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Potential of our laneways to help to help us as we grow to foster sort of.

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Sensitive growth and a vibrant public realm in our neighborhoods thanks.

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Michele. Thank you very much for your remarks. Are there any questions for the speaker I seeing none. Thank you. I'd like to call mike colin williams, colin's.

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Williams, ontario home builders, association.

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Mike welcome good afternoon, my name is mike collins.

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Williams and I'm the director of policy for the ontario home builders.

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Association and I'm also a registered professional planner ohba represents.

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4,000 member companies organized into a network of 29 local associations across.

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Ontario with our largest here in toronto, known as built, I am pleased to be here.

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Today, to speak about gentle density and laneway housing a couple of years ago,.

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Through the gta housing action lab the ontario home builders, association.

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Partnered with the pembina institute to produce a joint reports app copies here,.

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That I'd be pleased, leave behind make way for lane way. This was a unique.

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Partnership, as you don't often see, get a development industry partnering with an.

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Environmental organizations, but I think in this particular case the public.

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Policy rationale to support laneway housing is simply so strong that it.

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Makes perfect sense for a wide variety of stakeholder organizations such as.

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Home builders, association's and clean energy, environmental think tanks, work.

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Together, we received a number of endorsements and positive media about.

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Laneways following the report in the brief time I do have I'm gonna hit on a.

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Couple highlights of the reports we are in short supply, affordable housing and.

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Walkable amenity, rich urban neighborhoods, close to rapid transit.

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These desirable residential streets are complies mostly of detached and semi.

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Detached houses with purchase prices and rental rates beyond the reach of most.

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Residents people often see a binary choice of single-family vs. high-rise.

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Condos but there's a whole other universe of housing options. Planners.

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Often refer to the missing middle today I want to address a specific segment of.

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That the so called small-scale housing options, the old city of toronto and east.

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York has a huge opportunity to promote and increase the supply of what planners.

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Call gentle density, this means providing more housing supply in established.

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Neighborhoods, without changing the look feel or character of these communities.

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As a housing solution, laneway housing creates invisible density. You don't.

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Actually, alter the look and feel of these existing neighborhood streets by.

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Adding housing to underutilized laneways, tucked in behind existing homes.

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And these established communities in toronto and east york are typically in.

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Transit and efficient neighborhoods, which contrasts sharply with much of the.

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Rest of the gta laneway is an innovative public policy opportunity for.

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Established and typically very expensive, transit, efficient neighborhoods, the.

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Latest census data actually shows that many established so-called stable hoods.

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Neighbourhoods are anything but stable back in the 1960s and 70s. A lot of these.

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Neighborhoods actually had higher populations. Families typically had more.

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Children and a lot of our older housing stock was split up with more secondary.

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Suites and ancillary apartments through demographic changes, where families are.

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Having less kids an aging population and through the slow but steady process of.

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Gentrification the fact days that some of our most well-connected transit.

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Accessible neighborhoods are actually declining in population. One way to.

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Address this is through innovative, small-scale housing options such as.

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Secondary suites, small-scale infill and lane weight housing. I'd also like to.

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Point out for home believers that small housing options are typically more.

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Affordable for people to rent than entire homes or condo yoots units, even.

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In purpose-built rental units buildings, this is a great way to very slightly.

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Increased densities near transit and offer more ground oriented housing is.

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Not everybody wants to rent in a high-rise tower. The time I have left, let.

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Me quickly just mention some benefits reduces car dependence by locating more.

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Housing near transit and amenities, laneway housing will help retail on our.

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Main streets, as I mentioned before, some of these neighborhoods have declined in.

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Population over the last couple of decades, and we can support local retail.

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With local population laneway housing can help cover the primary lot owners.

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Mortgage we've seen it with secondary suites and hopefully soon with laneways.

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That in an expensive city like toronto, the secondary source of rental income.

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Will actually help with affordability for the primary homeowner lean way and.

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Other small-scale housing options will provide local ridership and support.

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Local transits and finally, of course, we need to keep providing housing supply.

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And ground oriented housing options, as this will ultimately produce pressure.

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For urban expansion in the suburbs, I'll close by mentioning some other.

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Jurisdictions vancouver's his own zoning, allows for laneways behind most almost.

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All singles limited to one and a half stories 500 to a 900 square, feets.

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California's bill 1866 requires local government to consider second unit.

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Applications and promotes accessory units in existing in future single.

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Family lots. Seattle has made accessory dwelling units legal through a permit.

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Process the city has removed parking and ownership requirements and other.

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Barriers such as height setbacks, max square footage and min lot size.

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Requirements so we weren't alone in toronto and exploring this there are.

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Other north american jurisdictions doing this as well. So thank you for listening.

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To my presentation and I'm hopeful that you'll adopt and move forward with with.

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This package I'd be happy to take any questions and, as noted earlier, I did.

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Bring copies of the joint, oh h, ba hem de institute report make way for.

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Lane wave which I'll leave behind thank you very much. Are there any questions.

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For the speaker, seeing none thank you for that very thorough presentation.

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You're, our next speaker is sara klemme haga. Are you still here? I saw her.

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Earlier today, sarah clement haga had to leave and she asked me to read her.

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Deputation aloud on her bath, I think that would be permitted. You'll have five.

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Minutes go ahead. Please thank you for the opportunity to voice my support for.

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The laneway suite final report- I'm sorry, I couldn't stay to give it in person. I.

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Would like to stay to my strong support for this official plan and zoning.

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Amendment that would allow lamely suites as of right in toronto in east york. I.

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Support this for two reasons: first, I have neighbors around my home that are.

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Interested in laneway, suites and I'd be very happy for them to convert their.

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Sheds to a laneway house, I myself have a garage that is mostly unused, that I'd be.

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Happy to create as housing one day in the future for my children should they.

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Wish to stay in toronto, assuming they want to live in their mom's backyard. The.

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Laneway, my backyard is an untended litter strewn space.

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I believe with langley housing, the laneway would be safer and more vibrant.

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So I say yes in my backyard housing, I also support lamely houses for.

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Toronto, east york and hope to see them widely used is one of the housing.

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Solutions and the rest of the city, it's the type of gentle density, increase that.

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Has big potential for both providing additional housing and from making our.

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Land weights attractive cared for spaces. I appreciate the hard.

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Work of the staff and all involved in the creation of this report, I fully.

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Support the adoption of the staff report and look forward to it being passed both.

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Here and later on, council and hope, you'll move ahead with this important.

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And promising initiative, thanks for your attention, ok, thank you very much. Any.

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Questions for the speaker, okay, seeing none! Thank you very much. Our next.

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Speaker is liam asta leah welcome hi. My name is liam aston and I'm an architect.

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And the owner of firma architecture, my architectural practice is focused on.

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Plane way, buildings and I have been since 2011 really dedicated to designing.

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Laneway buildings, and because of the city's initiatives recently to promote.

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Laneway housing I've been approached by about a hundred torontonians that are.

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Interested in building laneway homes, so what that's giving me is a sense of what.

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Is what people are looking for? What people are needing and wanting in.

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Laneway houses and before I begin I'd like to say that the progress the city.

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Is made in reconsidering laneways has been remarkable from the consultations.

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And studies by lane, scape to the campaign by councillors, mcmahon and by.

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Lao to move the issue forward and council to the final reports by the.

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Urban planning department and I very much support the current proposal for.

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Laneways suites, however, I'm asking for amendments to two items so we're gonna.

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Look at those two items on slides and they're both regarding the design.

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Criteria that stated in the current proposal, so the first one is about the.

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45 degree angle er, plane restriction, so this is a slide of the 4045 degree.

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Angular plane restriction and what that means.

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In terms of interior space, that can mean the the equivalent of a bedroom like.

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Cutting out that area, because you can't walk under it's not like you can't if.

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It's to the root, the ceiling level is too low to walk, walk under it all and an.

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Extra bedroom can mean annexed housing, an extra person in a laneway house, so.

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This is one reason why we think you should consider not including the.

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Angular plane, another issue that comes up with the angular plane restriction is.

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That it makes construction more complex because there are two types of roofs: a.

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Flat roof and a sloped roof, and what that means is you need two kinds of.

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Roofers, it makes construction more complex and that can add cost to.

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Building a laneway house now we realize that the angular plane is a result of.

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The shadow study and that, in terms of the loft space, there's a proposal to.

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Make the laneways feet larger, but that doesn't actually apply to most sites so.

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What we would be asking for is to omit the angular plane requirement, which.

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Would allow a greater number of people to be housed by laneway houses and it.

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Would make construction more efficient and affordable? um My second point is.

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About the enjoyment of laneways suites, so this one is going to be about roof.

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Terraces, we think that roof terraces are one of the great advantages of that you.

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Can design in in a laneway suite and they should be allowed as of right, this.

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Is an it adds additional green space and if you have a flat roof on a building.

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Why not use it as a garden? I think that's something that people really.

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Desire in in laneway suites and it should be considered part of good lane.

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Weight suite design, there's a concern about overlooking neighbors that that.

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Issue can be mitigated by setting back the guardrails on the roof garden and.

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Regarding these two points, we created a petition that was based on the march.

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29Th changing lanes document there was also a.

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Third point on basements, but that's already been integrated, so we're happy.

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About that, our petition has over 270 signatures, so the signatures that you.

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See in the petition are people who've been involved in the laneway in the.

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Laneway debate since, since the beginning they are laneway advocates like effie.

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Carson they're respected architects like bridget, jim and howard, sat cliff they're.

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Journalists, like jeremy freed they're, people that have built blaine way, homes.

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Like rochelle rubinstein they're people that would like to build laneway homes.

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Like henry fletcher, there are 273 people that have also kind.

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Of concur on these, these issues that relate to good laneway, building design.

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So in summary, um we'd like to say that we support laneways suites but we'd.

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Recommend not cutting into the buildings with the angular angular planes that.

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Back and also allowing rooftop gardens. Thank you wonderful. Thank you very much.

E

Are there any questions for the speaker seeing none? Thank you. Our next speaker.

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Is sue dexter sue welcome. Thank you. Kindly oh, the first thing. I'd.

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Like to do is to reassure the counselors who have brought this change into our.

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Purview that we want a good policy, that's right, and the lane waist suite.

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Should occur as a result of it, we don't have a problem. We have a problem with.

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Rush, we want to get it right, so here's here's the kind of the kind of thing.

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That we've been facing this morning, we got a the the most recent version in.

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Which, on page three, we have a minimum of 60% of the distance between the rear.

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Main wall of the residential building, the front main wall of the ancillary.

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Building containing a laneway street must be for soft landscaping. This is a.

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Net loss, it's sixty percent, now of five meters on a one-story building. It was.

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Five meters until this morning, except there was a problem raised saying there.

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Were ancillary buildings and we had to we had to take those into account. You.

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Know sheds and all that sort of stuff we we have a real problem with these.

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Kind of changes there's another change and we we kind of don't understand what.

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The impact would be, we had a change, 8x8 was the original one. Then it became 8 by.

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10 meters, 10 meters, there's no garage that I know of that's 10 meters in the.

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City of toronto, if you're talking garage replacement, bravo, but but let's really.

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Sit down and talk about the consequences of this. The other thing is the exclusion.

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Of four plates floor space index, the gross listen to the laneway sweet.

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Interior for the interior floor area of an ancillary building containing a.

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Laneway suite must be less than the interior floor area of a residential.

L

Building on a lot by how much, by how much a square centimeter a meter, five.

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Meters, what are we talking about? We've always talked about the ancillary build.

L

If the laneway suite being less than the main house, but now we're talking about.

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It can really crowd the main house, so we need standards in this to ensure that we.

L

Get we got a really good bill coming out? Okay, you know where I'm from I'm the old.

L

Neighborhood exactly councillor fletcher has it on the money we got narrow lanes.

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We got this lane. Those lanes we're a growing area in the city of toronto. We.

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Have more housing types than can be counted.

L

We've got triple x's duplexes basement units, rooming houses for us, a laneway.

L

Suite would be a tertiary or quaternary use. Okay, I think it is they use it in.

L

Geology all the time so we're no stranger to density and we're no enemy.

L

Of density, our objective today is to ensure the plan is clear and watertight.

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That the objectives the city desires are met and that the official plans stable.

L

Neighborhood policies are respected, that's not too much to ask. We don't.

L

Think we analyzed our lanes, you know all about that. What have we got? We've got.

L

Affordable the biggest question mark in the world over affordable units, these.

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Are the ones that are really critical? This is the these sort of folks that are.

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Really really suffering in our town, and we have to do something about that. Thank.

L

You density, why would we lose gfa? It's it's.

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It's the easiest measure of infrastructure demand, including schools,.

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Hospitals parks parking, among others, green space, five meters for a one-story.

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7.5 meters and you're now digging basements. So we have to look at that.

L

Because the city also has policies to increase the the the canopy they're.

L

Going to put the sewer and water lines through the yard into the suite my trees.

L

Share their root system with my neighbors, so you're not only impacting.

L

The unit tree you're impacting potentially its girls, its growth.

L

Space on both sides we're not against it, but let's get it right.

L

Okay, so appeals we're gonna, have a peel, I'm very sorry, but we've run out of both.

E

Perhaps someone may have many many a question about it: okay, well, I'd like to.

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Acknowledge a counselor by lao, then counsellor fragile decker's. So let me.

B

See so believe, you're not in okay, we're not against it, but, for example, yeah one.

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Of the reasons why we need all the servicing connected to the main house is.

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It was key in order to get this done. That is, that is key. So if you are.

B

Against that, no, no, not against we're racing it as a.

L

Concern, but how do you solve the concern we we put in special rules where this is.

L

How you trench this is how you do it: okay, no rezoning on an official plan.

B

Amendment, it's not an official plan, we're talking assaf right. I understand.

B

But the guidelines can deal with stuff like that absolutely, but we're talking.

B

About a zoning bylaw, an official plan amendment right now, yeah, but we've got.

L

Regulations that you're talking about this is zoning bylaw times and you think.

B

That the zoning bylaw should specify how people do the drainage to the unit. Well,.

L

It's if you can't, you can't hold one good and and create a policy that.

L

Negates the good understand when you there any zoning in the city that talks.

B

About how we do a drainage to a building or a house, I've no idea, I'm wearing it.

B

As I understand, but I think we need to be straightforward and when we're.

B

Talking about raising problems- and I understand- and I and you all these.

B

Residents associations have been very helpful in working with a city and.

B

Brought very important issues to the table, but there's there are issues that.

B

Are going to be key, and that might be a point that we're gonna have to agree to.

B

Disagree what we may have to, but let's, let's really know of a good conversation.

L

About it, can you do anything if we're getting policy on the morning? The.

L

You're discussing something policy changes, regulation changes, but but this.

B

Regulation, for example, with the drainage, has been they want, because the first.

B

Condition about creating laneway housing is that it was not severable and all the.

B

Services had to come from the main house, we have a concern and we would like to.

L

Discuss it and maybe at the end of the day you'll say: go, do ok, but but you need.

L

To we need to, we have to speak for the trees they're. Not they can't speak for.

L

Themselves, so it is a concern on what what will happen with respect, I mean I'm.

L

We're not saying kill it because of the trees, but boy. Let's try to get that.

L

Right: ok, thank you very much councillor bi-lo councillor, fridge' dacus, thanks.

A

Sue so much for coming out and speaking on, I just wanted to follow up on on your.

A

Question towards the end there about trees and servicing from the main house.

A

To the laneway suite and root systems, are you aware that the private tree mile.

A

If you apply to do work on your property, the private tree by law does not damage.

A

Your entry, exactly yes, ok, so you are aware of that. So I'm just wondering so.

A

If they can cut down the tree as a right to do the construction on their property.

A

Then well it's a it's a problem and there's wiggle room and all the policies.

L

You know in our experience, dealing with see of a stuff and this when, when trees.

L

Entry and and death comes to the council council always says: don't do it, but.

A

Those ones that come to council mostly are ones on driving. Some of them are.

A

Private, a lot of them are city yeah. Okay, so you just want clarity about how you.

A

Get the services to the laneways suite that doesn't actually damage another.

A

Policy that we have which just grow the tree canopy not diminish, answerin, okay,.

A

Thank you. Thank you very much councillor. Anyone else, questions of the.

E

Speakers seeing none thank you sue. I would like to invite chris spoke to come.

E

And speak nice to see you again chris when you're ready, you have five minutes.

Q

Sure, good afternoon my name is chris polk and I'm a member of housing matters.

Q

We are a group of torontonians who advocate for increased housing supply to.

Q

Address the housing, availability and affordability crisis- that is, pricing.

Q

Many renters young people and middle-class families out of our city. We.

Q

Take very seriously the common-sense notion that if we want more people to live in toronto, we're going to need to build more housing. I appreciate being.

Q

Granted the opportunity today to comment on the city's review of linguist suites.

Q

And we'd like to start by thanking planning staff for the diligent work that went into this file. As many of you know, our rental vacancy rate at 1.1.

Q

Percent is now the lowest it's been in 16 years. This metric, which we use as a.

Q

Measure of available housing units points to a clear supply problem in.

Q

Toronto, it is on that basis and to keep this brief, that we as an organization.

Q

Are enthusiastic supporters of laneways suites? The city has estimated that we.

Q

Could see up to 300 laneways suites constructed in toronto, where they to be.

Q

Allowed and to make that a little less abstract, that's up to 300 homes for up.

Q

To 300 households per year in the city, laneways suites on their own will not.

Q

Solve our supply problem, but they take us in the right direction and frankly,.

Q

They're long overdue for the sake of those 300 potential households per year.

Q

We urge you to please say yes to laneways suites and to vote in favor of.

Q

Adopting this package, thank you. Thank you very much for your deputation any.

E

Questions councillor may have a housing matters whose housing matters so we're a.

Q

Group of torontonians, mostly renters, who advocate for increased housing.

Q

Availability and affordability so you're not for profit, we're not-for-profit.

Q

Organizations that's right. Thank you. Thank you, okay. Thank you very much.

E

Counselor counselor mcmahon. Thank you very much and just following up on that.

L

So your membership is it people of your generation or all generations, or all.

Q

Generations it skews younger, excuse, renter and excuse aspiring homeowner so.

L

You this policy is very important to you, as you mentioned. This is very important.

Q

To us, as a first step in a signal that council is serious about addressing the.

Q

Supply issue in toronto right and which, like test to pass it today or.

L

Different pass it today, should've been passed 100 years ago. Okay, thank you very.

E

Much counselor, our our next speaker and I.

E

Believe may be, our final speaker is bridget shim.

E

There will be no sub, who will be no stranger to this matter, but I'm not sure.

E

She's in this room, I don't see her anymore. She must be working.

E

Bridgett shim, okay, okay, so bridget's not in the room. Are there any member any.

E

Other members of the public here to speak to this matter, okay, seeing none.

E

We're ready to bring it into community council for some questions of staff, who.

E

Has questions of stuff and if I can just see an indication of hands, counselors.

E

You had lots of questions for the deputies. This is your chance. Don't be shy now, otherwise course is going straight to motions.

E

Okay, I'll go how's that house I've got some questions. I.

E

Haven't asked any questions as of yet I'll just start, my own clock er with.

E

Respect to some of the the comments that we've heard today from the deputies and.

E

I appreciate there was a range of opinions: the the affordable housing.

E

Question for me is a very curious one because there wasn't really some clarity.

E

On the cost per square foot and and including, how do you ensure that there.

E

Is some way of obtaining even a modest number of affordable housing.

E

Can I ask taft to provide some some clarity on their position on this? This.

E

Is not really going to be a tool to to bring forth a wide range of affordable.

E

Housing options given the very expensive cost to build these single household.

E

Dwellings is that correct? Do you, madam gerry? Yes,.

D

The we look at these as an additional type of rental unit, not necessarily a.

D

Solution to the provision of affordable rental units, I believe sean.

D

From the affordable housing office is here or was here, and it indicated you.

D

May have something to say on the matter of affordability as well, unless he is no.

D

Longer here that's okay! Thank you. I think you did.

E

Answer the question that I basically thought so that's very helpful for me.

E

With respect to the neighborhoods that already have a layer of planning.

E

Protection that dives into it at a more detailed level, for example secondary.

E

Plans, heritage conservation districts. How will this new opa and zoning bylaw.

E

Amendment affect those existing documents. Will those documents be good.

E

Standing will they be sort of given a luster reading? How will these four.

E

Pieces layer on top of one another, so one of the policies in the proposed.

D

Official plan amendments states that any secondary plans and existing site an.

D

Area specific policies will prevail over the policy that is proposed so in areas.

D

That have policies which would preclude the construction of laneways suites.

D

Because in either a secondary plan or a site in area specific policy area, they.

D

Contain wording that prevents the creation of new units that, for instance,.

D

Do not represent the prevailing character and if that prevailing character does not include laneways suites, then those policies would prevent.

D

The creation of laneway suites those policies would prevail over what is.

D

Proposed today we aren't aware of many of those, but we are certainly looking.

D

Into the policy that was raised in the ab communication, okay, so any existing.

E

Document already in place and registered and recognized by the city, they will.

E

Take precedent before this new application, on top of it in terms of.

D

Secondary plans and sidon area specific policies that is correct. Okay, thank you.

E

That's very helpful, so there are a number of technical opinions out there.

E

And I heard a wide range of it with respect to the amount of height the.

E

Angular plains the setbacks of step backs the amount of green cover. How you.

E

Perhaps, to enter and egress the these new suites.

E

Lots of opinions out there have you considered any modeling to ensure that.

E

Any concerns that are out there perhaps could be either confirm or debunked. We.

D

Have we actually looked at several neighborhoods across the study area with.

D

Different lot patterns and characteristics in the application of.

D

The the guidelines, the zoning standards that you see before you today and our.

D

Urban design staff did a considerable considerable amount of work. Modeling.

D

These on both an area wide and a site-specific basis that were conformed.

D

Our recommendations, and can we have access to that work? I could provide that.

D

Information, yes, okay, that would be wonderful, thank you and with respect to.

E

I think every you know every four years, our bills or tax bills get reassessed.

E

And and sometimes we are surprised to see that how much the homes are worth.

E

I'm a renter, so I really don't know, but for those who are homeowners, can I ask.

E

That the every four year assessment a a new addition. Let's call it an addition.

E

Er or new density measuring the quantum of five six seven hundred square feet in.

E

Perhaps larger, how how much more will the cfa be projected into the future.

E

Like did you folks get a sense of how much more there will be for that for the.

E

Taxpayer and then how much more there is for the for the cost of service delivery.

E

By way of government services, so with regard to the assessment of the property.

D

It's not something that we would typically look into with a policy.

D

Initiative, but we did my understanding- is that if you're constructing.

D

Additional floor space either by an addition to the house or a laneway suite.

D

Impact or the municipal property assessment corporation, which would.

D

Review the assessment would consider that additional floor space either on a.

D

Periodic review or when the building permit was it was submitted and they.

D

Would make their assessment on the value of that?

D

I we don't have any estimates of what that would look like on in one way or.

D

Another okay, so I've run out of time. So I.

E

Respect the clock, councillor, perks, question so, first one of the deputies.

S

Raised the issue of its saying that it may be a residential use, my.

S

Understanding and correct me, if I'm wrong is that that allows the same kind.

S

Of in-home commercial activity that are currently permitted in houses in.

S

Neighborhoods, like a home hairdressing through the chair, that is my.

D

Understanding, yes, okay and would the same. There are restrictions about that.

S

In terms of what percentage of the overall building can be the business, how.

S

Does that figure in here that's correct: the home occupation provisions are.

D

Similar to those that exist for the main house on a lot in the parents, owing by.

D

Law, so this isn't allowing like a storefront type commercial operation.

S

This is, I do some work at home and there's a written category. That's always.

S

Been there for residential and that category is the one that will be applied.

S

Here that is correct. Okay. Over to forestry, I was looking at the report and.

S

You know I was listening to some of the deputies, the concerns around trees and.

S

On page 37, I it says, city planning staff suggests the.

S

Approval of the removal of any tree under the private tree bylaw continued.

S

To be at the discretion of the general manager of parks, forestry and recreation,.

S

So how will that discretion be applied? What what will the guiding at ethos or.

S

Principles of the general manager of parks, forestry and recreation, be if.

S

Someone comes in and says I want to remove a tree in order to get my laneway.

S

House built maybe on the microphone and if you could just introduce yourself.

H

Please hello through you, madam chair, in this.

O

Yes, my name is voi camille, you know which I'm the planner with city of.

O

Durban first I'm talking here so anyway, the the discretion of the general.

H

Manager is with reflect through the fact that we are not obliged to issue up.

H

Under the tree protection by allah, we are not obliged to issue a permit to.

H

Injure or remove to remove a tree if the construction is warranted as right, so.

H

When it comes to the laneway suits, urban forestry will actually review the.

H

Applications and reserve the right to refuse the application to remove a tree.

H

And in those cases the applicant would be required to revise the proposal in.

H

Such a way that the tree would be protected to our satisfaction, okay, so in.

S

The event that they come to you and they say there is absolutely no way I can.

S

Build this without injuring or removing a tree will the general manager protect.

S

Healthy trees, in most cases we would protect. But if it's impossible to.

H

Protect the tree, then we would look for compensations. Okay, all right. I think I.

S

Understand better how that's going to work yeah! Okay, okay! Are there any other.

E

Questions hold on councillor perks. Are you have you concluded your questions.

E

Thank you, members who are interested in in asking questions just indicate, and I.

E

Will put you on the list and then we are gonna channel it to our next speaker.

E

Which is counts councillor fractured dacus. I may just add something to the.

D

Urban forestry question just to highlight policies within the proposed.

D

Official plan amendment that speaks specifically to chapter 8 1 three of the municipal code, which deals with bylaw trees, and this actually is- is.

D

Something that has raised for laneway sweets are proposed to be raised for.

D

Laneways sweets, but not for any other type of development within neighborhoods.

D

So in our view, the contents of the report and the official plan amendment.

D

That is before you actually goes beyond what the current requirements for.

D

Development in neighborhoods are with regard to tree protection, so just for context. So if I could ask a follow-up, then yes, given that there seems to be a.

S

Little uncertainty around this one would it be possible to have some clarifying.

S

Language provided either if this gets deferred or if this goes on.

S

To council, so that we can understand that a healthy tree will not be removed.

S

To build a laneway suite in a subsequent report, if that is requested, we could.

D

Certainly provide additional information that will help clarify the practice of.

D

Building permit and tree permit issuance or not. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

E

Very much counselor counselor fracas questions.

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Yes, thanks, I see building staff in the house and I have a question because the.

A

This is a proposal for the toronto and east york district, so any stork we have.

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Coverage that we deal with on applications that go to the committee of.

A

Adjustment and I wanted to get some understanding from you and for the.

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Benefit of others in the room around how like we treat coverage of laneways.

A

Suites get permitted as of right. That means secondary suites are something.

A

That people in east york go to get legalized and then the accessory.

A

Building otherwise known as a garage in some instances has a certain amount of.

A

Coverage attributed to it and the house has a certain amount of coverage.

A

Attributed to it, so I'm just wondering like if they're permitted as of right.

A

How does that? How does that work so through you, madam chair, is, should an.

S

Application come before us and if there is a bylaw, that's permitting laneways.

S

Suites, whatever the requirements are, the prescriptive requirements are in the bylaw. We would apply that in reviewing building permit applications for a.

S

Particular lot or a specific development should the application not comply with.

S

The performance standards in the bylaw, such that it's over in the permitted.

S

Coverage we would identify that as a variance and, of course, then the.

S

Applicant has the ability to apply to committee of adjustment to seek approval.

S

Of that variance, if the variance is ultimately granted that would legalize.

S

It in terms of normalize it in terms of a zoning and a building permit could be.

S

Issued so this process isn't actually going to be eliminating that aspect of.

A

The process by which people who go to the committee of adjustment to seek.

A

Variances to the existing bylaws that are in effect in particular around each.

A

Stroke I realize that other people are in this chamber and are members of.

A

Council are not councillors in that area and, subject to that particular bylaw. So.

S

So again, anybody can seek a variance to the bylaws or the performance standards.

S

In the bylaw and those are going to be reviewed by the committee adjustment.

S

Based on the four tests and the planning act I'll, let my colleagues and planning's speak to that, but yeah somebody can certainly apply for a.

S

Variance should they not comply with the right, so what I was trying to say is.

A

That we are not actually through this process, eliminating that step in the.

A

Attempt to make legalized this kind of housing type, no, so in instances where a.

D

Proposed laneway suite does not meet the requirements and the criteria in the.

D

Proposed bylaw, then the owner, the person looking to build the laneway suite, could.

D

Make an application, as is their right into the planning, act or variances, to.

D

The bylaw, if an application to the building department is made that meets.

D

All of the standards in the proposed zoning bylaw amendments, then that suite.

D

Could be constructed as of right without a trip to the committee of adjustment as.

D

No variances would be necessary so so for the coverage aspects, so I mean it's.

A

A 35% in east or odd for the lot if they come in and and their garage is combined.

A

With the house at 35%, then they don't need to go and seek any variances at the.

A

Committee of adjustment: they can just do it, however, if the proposal includes.

A

A structure that is larger than what is permitted, that is an accessory building.

A

At the moment, separate from the main house than they would have to go to the.

A

Committee of adjustment, no, I believe the intent is that, similar to the comments.

D

About density, the the coverage would be exempted for the construction of a.

D

Laneway suite, I believe that is the intent of the bylaw, and I would ask my.

D

Colleagues in the zoning team to clarify, if, indeed the both of those provisions.

D

Apply if they do, then, then you are correct again, as mario suggested. If.

D

There are a areas where the proposal is not in compliance with the bylaw, whether.

D

It's this bylaw or it's the parent bylaw, that this is proposing to amend they may.

D

Seek variances in that regard, so sorry, you were deferring to somebody on us to.

A

Answer your question, who I don't know who you're speaking at carolyn over the.

D

Owning team there, my colleague, carolyn I'll, respond it's close layman from the.

T

Zoning team- I'm the because, currently that exemption for a lot coverage is not.

G

In the bylaw we were not directed to include it, so it's not there right now.

G

Fsi has been addressed, but not a lot coverage. Oh well, then I guess it's a.

A

Good thing that we're going to be deferring this item for a month, so we.

A

Can speak to that as well? Thank you very much. Okay, our next councillor to.

E

Question is council, lady. Okay, thank you very much. I know that this did there's.

N

There was some question as to changes that were made with the supplemental.

N

That was submitted today and I'm wondering if we could just get that a.

N

Colles notes of what changes those were between the bylaw and the report.

N

Specifically around the the setback from the primary building, just so we'd get.

N

Some clarity, sorry to confirm the the question was a summary of the changes.

D

That were made to the zoning belt so in, in my opinion, the changes that were made.

D

To the zoning, bylaw were largely for clarifications sake. What we tried to do.

D

Responds to the a lot of the questions that came up in the correspondence that was being received over the last few days with regard to certain provisions.

D

Within the bylaws, so that's why we look to change the wording, not in a.

D

Substantial or material way, but in a way to clarify the intent of the report. As.

D

Staff would normally do making technical or stylistic amendments before the bylaw.

D

Proceeded from community council to council, as the case often is so I can.

D

Certainly provide a list of what those are quickly please. Well, there were a number of specific changes. The one regarding.

D

The separation distance was intended to address the amount of landscaped open.

D

Space that was required to be provided between the main house and the laneways.

D

Suites and the intent of the report is that that space not be diminished the.

D

Amount of space that is required to be provided in the rear yard should still be provided in that space. So what it means is a higher percentage of that.

D

Area because it's a smaller overall area has to be landscaped open space. We can.

D

Certainly, take a look at the bylaw and insure before any zoning. Bylaw gets the.

D

Council that it implements the intent of the report, which is not to diminish the.

D

Requirements in the zoning bylaw to provide open space in neighborhoods in.

D

Rear yards so, but with respect to the setback from the between the two.

N

Structures that has not changed that has not changed the monitoring and.

N

Enforcement of the hardscapes and landscaping provisions do we have any.

N

Advice to have because right now we're doing a pretty terrible job of it. I.

N

Don't see how I don't see anything to suggest that it would get any better.

N

We have people paving over front yards, not for parking pads and we we can't.

N

Make them change, so I'm just wondering if there's any provisions that you've.

N

Suggested the the tool that we have to secure landscaped open space on a lot is.

D

The zoning bylaw and if there are lots which are deficient or if a permit.

D

Application comes in and it's deficient on the required landscaped open space.

D

Then the building department will raise that as a deficiency with above any id.

N

How many we actually enforced last year? Personally, I do not lighting in laneways.

N

For laneway safety have have we evaluated what we can get toronto hydro.

N

To do to improve the lighting of laneways with with laneway housing, so.

D

We've met several times with toronto hydro. Throughout this process, they.

D

Currently provide what I think they consider vehicle level lighting within.

D

Laneways and through the monitoring pro period, we're going to continue to work.

D

With them to assess where the uptake is for lane wave suites and whether there.

D

Are any necessary improvements to laneways with regard to lighting, so at.

D

The moment there's nothing for including pedestrians or cyclists from accessing.

D

The lane ways, but they do present an opportunity for improved lighting, but.

N

Once we have more people actively using the lane ways, there may be a need for us.

N

To address the safety issues that come with the amount of lighting that I would.

N

Agree, the other side is on of the public. Safety side is sidewalks sidewalks and.

N

Lane ways and lane weight quality. The quality of the of the pavement is any of.

N

That indicated in the report that that would have to get reviewed in some way.

N

And improved or upgraded in the event that transportation services may want to.

D

Weigh in further, but the report does talk about the current service provision.

D

And maintenance of lane ways and that at this time again it's difficult to.

D

Estimate where the uptake will be of lane way sweets any specific.

D

Improvements to areas related to laneways sweets are not planned at this.

D

Time but as they are constructed, as you said, there may be a need to improve or.

D

Well, improve the surfacing and maybe other characteristics of lanes, but I.

D

Would defer to my colleagues and transportation services if they have anything further to add in that regard? If they don't cuz, I have one more.

N

Question for plane who came up with the name of the report, it was my partner.

D

Eleanor she has all the good eye thank out thank eleanor very much for yet.

N

Again, another good name for one of your planning reports. This is not the first.

N

While the next west thing the cask force, shall I go on greg, you.

N

Can thank you very much counselor. Our next counselor to question is counselor.

E

Davis, I just want to ask again about trees and I think I'll, ask buildings if.

I

What is the relationship between the building code and our private tree by.

I

Law, which has which prevails the driver for this sorry tree protection, bylaws.

S

Both city and private tree bylaws are not applicable law, as listed under the.

S

Building code act and its associated regulations, therefore, a building permit will be issued despite the fact that it may need.

S

That the resulting construction may injure or damage a protected tree. We do.

S

Not have the ability to withhold the building permit for tree protection.

S

Bylaws as they are not listed as applicable law, having said having said.

S

That building permits are not the only applicable approval when developing a.

S

Property and of course, the owner or developer or whoever's, building the.

S

Project still needs to comply with any associated city bylaws. That may be.

S

Applicable a lot a building, you're saying they could get a building permit.

I

To nazarite, building permit and forestry will say no to injuring a tree and they.

I

Are left with what remedy? I can't comment on what forestry will or will.

S

Not say, but I cannot well we just sorry if what we heard is that they would maya.

I

They should not find a solution to redesign and avoid which I know they do.

I

Which avoids an injury of removal and they choose not to approve a removal or.

I

An injury and it conflicts with you wishing a building permit. What remedy.

I

Does an applicant have beyond part of the building permit process? We inform.

S

Applicants and it educate with respect to the private tree bylaw.

S

Give them information about the need to protect private and public trees and ask.

S

Them to work closely with forestry, interpretive forestry in terms of having.

S

A design that could that does protect trees. Ultimately, however, if a building.

S

Permit application complies with the zoning, bylaw and applicable law. It must.

S

Be issued, forestry then can consider whether or not it will issue a permit to.

S

Remove a tree or ask for some mitigating compensations, such as additional tree.

S

Planting this is no different. This is no different. This is no different than any.

S

Situation when someone is building a single-family dwelling or any type of.

S

Dwelling that complies so it's entirely the same as what happens now and right.

I

Now there are many many permits issued for the removal of trees in order to.

I

Build so what we're talking about status quo, except, I understand, there's now some.

I

Provision you're proposing to put into the official plan policy if this has.

I

Some kind of teeth: why have we not done it before? I'm, I'm not sure who that oh.

S

No no planning to whoever put in the official plan provision there, the intent.

D

Of the official plan provision was to acknowledge that we had heard concerns.

D

About the removal of mature trees and neighborhoods through the process and in.

D

That urban forestry is one of the many divisions that are participating in the.

D

Monitoring process, as laneway sweets may be constructed. We want to ensure that.

D

The policies reflect the fact that city planning and urban forestry staff will.

D

Work together on any changes that may be necessary to a laneway suite design to.

D

Save immature tree, where possible, okay, the policies also consider that minor.

D

Variance applications that allow for the saving of a tree and changing of the.

D

Building envelope will be considered by staff. Okay, basically.

I

The same what I did want to ask you: it had to do with the comments that were.

I

Made about narrow lots and with the changes that are proposed about setbacks.

I

Distance from the house and so on and canopies and porches on sweets and.

I

Leaving behind potentially to meter lots it first of all, that's a possibility.

I

With these zoning standards is that correct? I don't know that I agree with.

D

The interpretation necessarily but will certainly take that back and look.

D

Further at what the provision would mean in practice, and if I heard the previous.

I

Question from councillor fraga dacus, then the coverage provisions in the.

I

Existing bylaws are still in effect, and so, if the whose coverage provisions are.

I

Not met current coverage provisions not met with the addition of secondary suite.

I

Or laneway suite, they would not be as of right buildings and they would need.

I

Variances, the intent of the bylaw, in my view, is we added a coverage provision.

D

For laneway suites, which I think maxes out at 30%, of the size of the law, the.

D

Intent of adding that provision was so that the laneway suite would not be.

D

Subject to other provisions related to coverage in the. So, if that's that, in my.

D

View is a clarification that would be that could be built into the bylaw.

D

Before it advances, thank you very much. Our next councillor to question as.

E

Councillor matt lowe my questions with my colleague. I want to begin with tennis.

T

Protection because I've heard some debate over the.

T

Protection of the trees and I've heard certainly evergreens submission.

T

Regarding public realm improvements and I've heard these submission about the.

T

Impact and affordability, but is it fair to say that the preponderance, if not all,.

T

Of these suites are gonna, have fewer than seven units. They're gonna have six.

T

Or fewer units, and if that's so, is it not true that that these tenants, who we.

T

Be welcoming in to these new units would have few to no protections under the rta.

D

The the report proposes the to permit the construction of an individual rental.

D

Unit on on a lot, I believe it is correct that that one unit, if it were proposed.

D

To be removed would not be subject to the policies the city's rent to.

D

Replacement policies but if there's anything to add, maybe through a lawyer.

T

The furniture, how one of our housing experts, sure yeah so through the chair.

I

Yes, the residential tenancies act speaks to protecting residential complexes of.

T

Five or more units and our official plan policies speak to where there's six or.

I

More so, if there's there could be, the main property may have three units and.

I

The laneway suites could or may have five units it could reach that level, but.

I

It's most likely that it would not. So if, if the owner that the owner of the.

T

Property says, let's say: they've got a tenant and they say we were guess what.

T

We're moving our our daughter is coming back from college and we want to move.

T

Her in they can just boot that tenant out really whatever they want. The.

T

Residential tenancies act has provisions related to personal use, which state that.

T

They need to compensate a tenant up to one month for one month's rent and it.

H

Has to be a dependent or someone associated so much the same as.

T

If you had a basement apartment and you want to move in your parent into that.

T

Unit, the laneway suite would have those same provisions yeah, but they don't have.

T

A secure tenancy, that's correct, thank you I'll, be moving a motion with.

T

Regard to that priority, when I speak later, the other question another.

T

Question I have is so I think all of us agree that there is an affordability.

T

Crisis in our city, and that we have far too many people who can't even live in.

T

Our city right now due to that fact, candidly, what impact does staff believe.

T

If we move forward with the laneway housing initiative, what real impact will.

T

It have, and I you know I've heard you know some people have said it will have.

T

No impact, I'm just talking, like rhetorically, some people have said.

T

This is nothing. What are you doing? This is, and then other people have said this is like a panacea. This is one of the big answers. I'm not saying she's, suggesting.

T

The champions here have said that, but that's the rhetoric out there candidly.

T

What are we doing here with respect to affordability? Would, in your own words,.

D

I don't know that permitting laneway suites will have an impact on the.

D

Provision of affordable rental units within the city, in my view, will have.

D

Some impact on the provision of rental units generally in the city as one so to.

T

Increase supply, but it won't necessarily mean that it will be affordable. I'd, say.

D

That's an accurate characterization. Yes councilor! Are you okay? Thank you. Sorry.

T

One other one other thing: if we're we're were their residence right now, like.

T

We've got different types of lanes in the toronto and east shore, community.

T

Council area- and there are some lanes that have more of a for lack of a better.

T

Term, you know more of a kind of a you know, downtown or urban feel with the.

T

Graffiti and you know those kind of lanes, you guys know what I'm talking.

T

About and and then you've got and then you've got then you've got.

T

Other lanes in in other parts of you know, certainly in midtown and even in.

T

Cancer viola, ward and others that are served on the fringes of the downtown.

T

That have you know, I would even call it a buick feel where there's like it's. You.

T

Know some tall grass growing out the sides and it kind of feels like a rural.

T

Rural lane has there been much discussion about sort of about the the.

T

The the usage currently right now, because some of these lanes are used as.

T

Like sort of everybody's backyard in the neighborhood, where kids are riding bikes.

T

And it's very low traffic and- and you know they kind of use it as like. A quasi.

T

Park in a way ball, hockey, etc and, with more I've, heard, the argument about more.

T

Eyes in the street and that that's, I think, that it's valid. But what about the.

T

Impact to people sort of used it the way they use it today,.

T

Has that been considered and what have you heard and you know I mean because I.

T

I have had questions about that. Yes, I think laneways sweets can contribute.

D

Positively, to the way that communities use laneways know that, of course, having.

D

More people, you know eyes on the laneway having more activation of the laneway.

D

Can be a positive thing? Certainly you reference that in describing some some.

D

Lanes, I think this will contribute to that, so you and and and I imagine, safety.

T

As well, I suppose, if there's the eyes directly on yes. But what about the the.

T

Adverse effect that some have suggested is there any do you believe, there's any.

T

Merit in their in their concern, or is it just a worry or is there something real.

T

There, which specific adverse effect, one that I just described currently it's.

T

Sort of you also, your time, is up. Let's get the councillor an answer. Yes, I do.

D

In my view, laneway housing will contribute positively to the environment.

D

On laneways suites generally, so I I don't know that I necessarily agree that.

D

There are more you, don't you disagree with them correctly? Okay, thank you. Both.

E

Any other members with questions for staff we're gonna. Yes, oh sorry, counselor.

E

Fletcher, thank you. I just wondered about.

F

One of the deficits, I think from harvard village indicated- and maybe this has.

F

Been answered, but I didn't get it quite clearly that there were a number of.

F

Changes that hadn't been anticipated or that they found when they reviewed this.

F

Document which wasn't available wasn't available last week was it. Was it.

F

Available a week before the meeting, let me put that yeah. So the some of the.

D

Changes noted by the deputy from harvard village were contained in the staff.

D

Report specifically, the change of proposed permitted laneway suite depth.

D

From 8 to 10 meters and a few other changes, those were detailed in the staff.

D

Report and those changes were made following our most recent community meeting, the the doctor. Yes, those were made public along with the report, the.

D

Document that was posted last night was the zone was some changes to the zoning.

D

Bylaw, that's again, in my view, were more for clarification and are not material.

D

To the intent of permitting laneway suites, they were provided for.

D

Clarification really in an effort to address some of the comments we received.

D

From the killer, you're saying that that 8 to 10 8 by 8 to 8 by 10, was in a.

F

Report that was published, I'm just interested in when the question is when.

D

It was on the agenda, it was on the agenda when it was published. There was.

F

Ron the agenda published last week- okay, correct- I just want to be clear on the.

F

See of a entries which we've gone over and over again, we've had a report here.

F

I'd come to understand that the omb and t lab have jurisdiction over a tree in a.

F

Planning matter am, I correct. Final decision rests there. If it's shown.

B

On a plan like a site plan and they make a decision that approves yeah building.

B

On that site planned and yes right so if you have a building and you go to the.

F

Omb or you go to the c of a and it shows that you have to take out a tree, that's.

F

A private tree, the c of a can make a decision, an approve, your site plan and.

F

Approve the removal of any tree in the city, that's on private land.

F

That correct, yes, the cv, it's the tribunal, but yes, the tribunal, if you.

F

Appeal it that's correct, so there's a the city, forestry actually has limited.

F

Jurisdiction when it comes to a planning matter over trees, because the omb and.

F

The tea lab have the final say if it's a site plan application, that's been.

F

Appealed, I think I'm right on that one. I just want to know about the issue around.

F

Our laneways and we're looking at the state of good repair, so would we be.

F

Would it be right to think that if we could prior I's lane ways for state of.

F

Good repair repair that would have a laneway house. So if we're going to.

F

Introduce homes which I think is a great idea if we get this right as one of the.

F

Deputies said I'm going to expect that those lane ways are going to working out.

F

With some budget there to make sure that they're not living on the pothole ridden.

F

Things that are all throughout my ward, I'm sure that's directed to me. Yes, madam.

S

Chair, it would be one fact that we would look at first state of good repair. We.

S

Know that some of our lane ways aren't in great shape, we'd have to increase our.

F

Transportation budget would you it would be necessary. Yes, I believe so. Would you.

F

Be able to let us know, there's hundred applications now that are in for a.

F

Laneway, how people say they're ready so on those lanes? Can we make sure that.

F

Number one they're going to be good and number two: it's not taking from street.

F

Somewhere that we are able to ensure there's enough of a budget to bring.

F

Those up to a standard that one would expect on a street that has a house. I.

H

Think we'd have to review the lanes on a case-by-case basis and see where the.

H

Applications are so we could ask you to transfer to actually comment on that in.

F

A month there are guests. Basically, I just wanted to know about.

F

The impact of affordability, because I read recently in the globe that this is.

F

While we're looking at making these affordable and affordabl people to move.

F

Into that there has been an overall impact. I understand on general house.

F

Prices in those neighborhoods so that houses the whole prices of whole.

F

Neighborhoods have gone up because of the introduction. Does anyone know.

F

Anything about that from the real estate market is that been something you've.

F

Looked at no not currently, we, I don't think we have that data. Specifically, I.

I

Don't know if shawn wants to comment on affordability at all, but not about the.

F

Affordability of the units, it's about the impact overall on assessed value and.

F

Entry level etc. For this nature of this housing, not adding a third floor.

F

Whatever, if that might be possible to find out a little bit more, it could have.

F

Been wrong, but I thought that was interesting. We should be planning for.

F

That last question- and I guess I guess I'm done- I don't need to ask nothing.

F

Thank you, okay. Thank you very much councillor any other councillor too.

E

Interested in asking staff questions: okay, councillor mcmahon. Thank you very.

L

Much I just said because councillor seo he's not here, but he had a motion with.

L

Some items in it that he was going to move and I'm not sure if he, I think, he's.

L

Spoken to you about some of the items I just wanted to kind of go through them.

L

With you there yes, caseware mcmahon, would you like to ask those questions.

E

Once the the motion is actually moved, so we can all be aware of what you're.

E

Asking questions about well, okay, well, this yeah, I guess! First of all, the first.

L

One is about affordability, and was this ever the goal that laneways sweets would.

L

Solve the affordability issue in the city of toronto,.

D

No, I don't believe that was the intent at the outset of the study and and what.

L

Was the intent then the intents of the changing lanes initiative was to provide.

D

A framework that would allow the construction of a new type of rental.

D

Units in established neighborhoods that represented a different size and form.

D

Than what currently exists to provide an additional option of rental accommodation, okay- and you feel that this proposal does that this report does.

L

That, yes and you've had extensive consultation across the city just to.

L

Solicit ideas, in my opinion, yes, and what do you feel there's been overwhelming.

L

Support or there hasn't been, there's been a lot of opposition or to clarify.

D

My previous answer: the consultations took place in toronto and east new york.

D

Primarily and we heard generally positive, there was a mix of opinions.

D

That were provided over the course of the project, but it was a generally.

D

Positive reception to what we were proposing in the direction that we were.

D

Headed what about the mechanical equipment associated with the laneway.

L

Suites so there's been some questions about where it should be situated and.

D

The permitted projections that are proposed for things like mechanical.

D

Equipment in the zoning bylaw are believe the same. It's not very similar.

D

To what is permitted currently for a house in a residential area, there's also.

D

An opportunity for the basement to accommodate a furnace or other.

D

Mechanical equipment, it might be necessary in a laneway suite and with.

L

Regard to your outreach, so you have eve outreach to the residents and you've.

L

Also outreach to the councillors right, that's correct and you had individual.

L

Sit-Down meetings with every councillor way back in the day we extended the.

D

Opportunity to meet, we ended up meeting with a number of councillors in the.

D

Study area, okay and then councillors were invited to the consultations. That's.

D

L

It's my understanding that you have been emailing the counselors to update them.

L

On on what, where you're at in the report at key milestones, we updated counselors.

D

Offices, along with the ras, via email, okay, thank you.

E

Thank you very much counselor with the man any other counselors final call for.

E

Counselors to question counselor by lao, I just want to make sure make sure I.

B

Understood correctly, you said that there were no changes that were made public.

B

Only yesterday that all the changes that the changes that came after the.

B

Community consultation were part of the report. The changes that we made.

D

Following the consultation were included in the report, the document that was.

D

Published last night were technical amendments to the bylaw that was.

D

Previously published with the staff report for the intent of clarity, okay,.

B

And can if, if I I build a garage and I need a variance from my garage, do I have.

B

To ask for a rezoning process, or can I just go to committee of adjustment.

B

Typically, that would be considered through a committee of adjustment.

D

Application so today there's something that is as of right to build my garage.

B

And I have the right to go to committee of adjustment and ask for variance for.

B

That correct yes! So what we're saying here is we're creating guidelines as a.

B

Right to have this these suites and if there's variances we're suggesting that.

B

They go to committee of adjustment, exactly the same process that we use for cars today. We're going to use for people in the future. Is that correct? That's.

D

Correct, okay, did you do shadow studies, privacy impact.

B

As you're developing the guidelines in collaboration with our urban design,.

D

Staff on the team, we modeled various options for laneway suite designs on the.

D

Site we had to look at shadow, overlook and other impacts. Yes, and can you report.

B

On the the setbacks and the power in maintaining green space, because I.

B

Thought that in certain circumstances we are actually doing better, that our.

B

Current standards require, can you explain that a little bit more, we we can.

D

Certainly provide more information to that affect the way that we attempted to.

D

The intent of the the zoning bylaw is to not diminish the amount of green space.

D

On these lots so to require really the majority of space between a house and a.

D

Laneway suite, as well as space within the laneway setback, to be green space in.

D

The bottle off so that that's that's what we're we we intend with this bylaw.

B

And that's what we all have in front of us. That's the intent! Yes again, we'll.

D

Take a look in light of the comments raised to ensure that anybody loved it that it's clear counsel that is clear and that it represents the intent of the.

D

Report: okay, how many families live in our city today and secondary units last.

E

Question I don't have that information available, but I can certainly look into.

D

It and provide a link somebody does through the chair as part of our census,.

T

Data and looking at demographics in the city, we estimate there's anywhere.

I

Between seventy to ninety thousand renters, with in secondary dwelling units.

I

Thank you, okay. Thank you very much. I think that brings us to the end of any.

E

Counselors with questions counselors to speak so far, I have councillor muhammad.

E

Counselor layton councillor fridge' dukakis, now councillor perks, councillor.

E

Barlow councillor mcmahon councillor by lao, I'm sure you'd like to speak yep.

E

Okay, councillor krusty, you are number three anyone else, okay and then I'll add.

E

Myself, at the end, I'll be your sweep: okay, counselor.

K

My usb capture, I think I've caught it. I think there's gonna be a series of.

E

Amendment and what has what the advice I've received from from from clerks is.

E

That you can all table and they will, we will sort it out. Do one big pile of soup.

E

Not pile of pot of soup, so I'm a little tired and I'm just eating my breakfast and lunch right now. Sorry, sorry, folks, okay, so counselor! My havoc you've got.

E

Five minutes take less time if you'd need it's okay, but and as much as five.

E

Of you smoking so much, let me say this, madam speaker, I'm now trying to be as.

K

Brief as I can, but I do have a fairly long motion, maybe I should present it.

K

First, there it is I'll, go through it. First.

K

Thing though, I want to do is say thank you to counselor by law, counselor.

K

Mcmahon for prodding us to think about laneways sweets in a different kind of.

K

Way than we have historically, I think it is a good initiative. I really really.

K

Really really do, and I want to find a way to to support it. Thank you to staff.

K

As well for under undertaking the negotiations and to community and groups.

K

That that have provided input. I do think that laneways sweets will provide.

K

Animation to laneways will increase safety, there's nothing like living on a.

K

Laneway to basically have that laneway look cleaner if nothing else, they'll.

K

Pick stuff up that is sometimes phantom ly dumped. I think it will help local.

K

Retailing- and I think it will reduce a car dependency, but mostly- and this is.

K

What the very first speaker george spoke to was that it will allow us a different.

K

Form of housing, there are so many folks that have come to me saying, and you know.

K

What I'll use myself as an example if we had laneway housing right now, my parents.

K

Would be, who are 95 years old would be living in the.

K

In that, in that unit they live way too far. I want to keep them under my.

K

Watchful eye, but they can't, because we don't have this possibility if you go to.

K

Every city every continent on this planet probably saved north america.

K

Multi-Generational, an extended family dwelling is the norm and has been the.

K

Norm for us as a species forever and ever.

K

Whereas we've gone indirect in the direction of nuclear rising and creating.

K

Smaller and smaller family units, this allows us to say you know what we can.

K

Have a little bit of a wall whatever not compound, but we can provide more housing.

K

Opportunities for extended families in one site that, I think is the big.

K

Sociology of what this proposal does so I am supportive and in fact one of the.

K

Motion says: not only am I supportive, but you know what we really need to get on.

K

To phase two, which is to look at not just lean way housing, but for those lots.

K

Where it is appropriate to say we want it there as well. So that's that's the.

K

First point: the second point is, and you know from some of the questions I hope.

K

People do not take offense to a deferral, we do it all the time. This is our second.

K

Crack at it, we want to get this right, because if you don't get it right.

K

There'll be all kinds of appeals and you're gonna get the calls we're gonna.

K

Get the calls we're all gonna get the calls of how this is not working, so we.

K

Got to get it right as right as possible, so waiting a month or two months.

K

Whatever the timeline is to get it right, I think, is a worthwhile investment. One.

K

Of the other speakers are former city councilors seat ramp cloud saying I had.

K

Made exactly the same point: the devil is in the details. The devil is in the.

K

Details for me, the big devil and it was promised at the beginning. There were a.

K

Lot of speeches made on how this is going to help with affordability well,.

K

Then, let's make sure that it helps with the affordability by both by both.

K

Perhaps and I've had the opportunity to talk with mr. gannon with the program.

K

That the city offers, and also, in my humble opinion,.

K

I can't see why, if it's gonna be your family you're, not charging rent. If it's.

K

Not going to be your family, why can't we have a list of properties and say if, if.

K

You are on that list and if you are renting, then it has to be 80 percent 90.

K

Percent, whatever it is of the cmhc average, why can't that be in a city that.

K

Is absolutely desperate and we need to use not one tool, not two tools but 10.

K

Tools to increase the availability of affordable housing. We need to do this. We.

K

Need to find a way to introduce strong affordability mechanisms in this. In this.

K

Project it is better to go a little stricter at the beginning and loosen up.

K

Later than to just leave it wide open and pretend that the market is going to.

K

Solve all our issues, the rest of the motions, there are things that people.

K

Have mentioned deputies have mentioned. I would note that we're the downtown.

K

Community council today, in about six months we're not going to be the downtown community council. There might be two downtown community councils, so I.

K

Think we want to with the new council after the elections, we want to give some.

K

Consideration to how we basically figure that that piece out, we can ask staff to.

K

Do that in the next month as well? Thank you very much councillor. There are.

E

Questions, councillor pilo just a couple questions on the zoning, so one of the.

B

Things that we kept hearing from people that built units and was the expensive.

B

Process associated with these kinds of units, and that's why only people with a.

B

Lot of money or an architect or planner, builds laneways suites or houses right.

B

Now, houses in ours in our city, so we try to bring this to become more available.

B

The same way, like I said, like I asked staff we have garages that we weed we.

B

Can build a 5 meter high garage? We go for a variance right. Why would we have.

B

That process, if we want to have a 5 meter garage which is outside our.

B

Variants are by law, but right now we can build a 4 meter, height garage and if you.

B

Want a variance to that, you go to committee of adjustments, so why are we requesting people to enter into a complete rezoning process? Frankly, that.

K

That was a reporter question. I think we want to consider that you know these are.

B

Four considerations and you want to hear what staff have to say about. I haven't.

K

Landed on the on that, on that myself on that piece, I'm faithfully trying to.

K

Combine some of the things that other people have said. I think there might be.

K

Some merit for the first year so that we establish some patterns to take it, bring.

K

It here so that we know you know when to allow a variances from the bylaw. So.

K

Maybe for the pilot, we go council community council and then take it to.

K

Committee of adjustment there's a lot of ways to think that thing through. But I.

K

Think we want to walk before we run, so I'm not fixated on that right now. Okay,.

B

And what is the goal of limited the gfa, so we have already all kind of its to.

K

Note the gfa! Oh, so it's several! If I, if I have a laneways suite and that in in.

K

Right now it's not included in the calculation and I want to build a an additional floor on and I want all kinds of variances for that. I already have the.

K

Laneway, sometimes that's a bit much so I think the committee of adjustments.

K

Should at least have that noted that on that piece, I think it should at least.

K

Know that you also have a laneway suite and that you know this is not an intent.

B

To preclude that from being an added no, but I think it should be well, I think it.

K

Should be part of the calculation and if it's separated out whatever I don't.

K

Really care how it's done, but it should every committee of adjustment.

K

Application that includes a laneway suite should have a notation that that.

K

It's you know 1.0 coverage, but to point to all of it is a laneway suite.

E

Sorry, my apologies questions have concluded. Oh, I do see you counselor.

E

Layton, please go ahead. Thank you very much just further to that.

N

To that point around this 3a because you say it's to note it, that's not the.

N

Language, that's in the motion, at least the one that the clerk's just printed.

N

For me, it says include the density of annually.

N

Suite in the calculation of density, gfa of the property which would to me.

N

Suggest that it's, when the planners are doing their review of a committee of.

N

Adjustment application or the planning examiner, is doing the ppr that they're.

N

Gonna say we'll: take the square footage just like basements were recently added.

N

They would just add this in and all of a sudden a point, one density increase.

N

Because they add in the gfa of the of the laneway suite all of a sudden ends.

N

Up of 0.5 and that that it wouldn't be teased out and and maybe this is.

N

Something that we can have when, when those that are reporting back, can take.

N

Note that the intent is not to have it added in fully. I would just worry it.

N

Doesn't say note: well it's it's just report back on in the way I would see it.

K

Happening is so if it's as of right, that size of right, so I put a laneway unit in.

K

The back of my I don't have a laneway by the way, but I just use this as an.

K

Example, where your, where your parents going to stay, that I'm going. If, if I had.

K

A laneway it would be as of right, but then, if I wanted to make an addition.

K

Onto my home, then density considerations come into play and I would think that a.

K

Committee of adjustment would want to know that that if you have, if you're.

K

Going from point a to one point: zero plus you've already got the benefit of a.

K

Laneway unit that that's important information for that or I I get I get, I.

N

Completely understand the intent, and I think that that that is a reasonable.

N

Request it's just as I don't see that the language is reflected here, but it is.

N

For report back so, given that this isn't changing the bylaw.

N

Perhaps that the planners could take that into consideration. Thank you. Thank.

E

You thank you very much councillor layden speaker, any other questioners. No.

E

Okay, so next person to speak is councillor lately. Thank you very much.

N

And thank you to staff and for councillors, mcmahon and and by lao for.

N

For pushing this to this point, I I in in my community, most most streets have lane.

N

Ways I think I can probably count the number of streets that don't. I know.

N

Because I can't remove street parking on those streets to put bike lanes because.

N

They don't have any parking, but at the rear, although I haven't yet there are.

N

There are a few streets that that don't in fact the the lane way that I back on.

N

To also has lane way, housing on it already from a pre-existing condition.

N

Where there was a garment, washing factory that got flipped into into a row,.

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Of townhomes, for that reason, when, when I knew this was coming, I did a little.

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Investigating on whether or not it was possible on where I live and the reality.

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Is it is it's a it's an ideal candidate from probably from any measure, but.

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Unfortunately, the cost is like enormous ly, prohibitive in particular to run the.

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Utilities, and so when we did our number crunching in my household, irrespective.

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Of what came out of this, we kind of just said: is this can't have it like? Even if.

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The little bit off in dc's are gonna, get us the delta that we need to make it.

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Work as a nanny suite, which is what we were thinking as as as my my parents, age.

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Or as my partner's parents age really, whoever needs it first will get in there.

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At one point in time it was councilor crecy that was gonna move in it. We.

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Talked about it, but the reality is, are our finances wouldn't be able to do it.

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To accommodate that, not to say that it's the same, if for every household, but that.

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Speaks to just, I think, one important clarification and I did go back to the.

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Original letter that councillor barlow and mcmahon put for it and it didn't reference, affordability and I think that's important to acknowledge. Although.

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We have heard it a lot and we can't. We can't ignore the fact that it continues.

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To come up, but but this will probably do very little beyond adding a little bit.

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Of housing to the rental housing to the market a little bit, I say that because.

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After again, in ideal circumstances, at my own prop and my own home, where all the.

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Stars were aligned, we don't own a car, it's a two-car garage, so it should work.

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It's just unaffordable. That being said, if people choose to, I think there are.

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Some some some considerations that need to come with the evaluation, lighting and.

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And and and pedestrian safety for individuals in the laneway monitoring.

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And enforcing the hardscape component, these are things that are very real and.

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The activities of a people's day-to-day lives that need to be addressed and.

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They're there not to this point, fortunately, laneway project is also.

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Doing some langley lighting in in ward 19 and in word 18. I believe- and this is.

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Another one of those projects that could that could activate laneways and make.

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Them a safer place to be and more accessible place on the on the referral.

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I think some of these are very, very minor in nature. I certainly wouldn't.

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Take it as take offense to it, as if I were the planner that wrote, wrote it or.

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Those that were driving it forward- it's just sometimes there needs to be a.

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Second, look: that's why we're here? If we weren't, then we would just issue greg.

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And linda a giant rubber stamp and they'd get the pass all the bylaws that.

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They wished with that rubber stamp. I'm sure they might like that. That's not the.

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Case in our in our democracy and and and there are things that we identify as.

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Counselors that are valid points that we should have the ability to to work into.

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Bylaws sometimes it can be a good thing. A couple on here that that concerned me.

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And, and I should state quite clearly that I will support the recommendations.

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I support these recommendations and I will support them when they come back. If.

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If it gets, if it gets deferred the two on this list, though, that that that they.

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Piqued my attention a little bit and I'm very conscious of the language that it's.

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Just to report back and not give direction to change it. One beingness.

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To change the as of right, zoning permissions through a zoning bylaw.

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Instead of a minor variance, I do think that sometimes there are.

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There are instances where a little a little thing doesn't work here. They're.

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In a site-specific nature, and that the committee can be a good tool for that.

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And then the second is, is this very specifically, including the gf, a density.

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On projects, I think that that that that's a complication that we probably.

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Don't need given that most houses within within my ward at least, are quite a bit.

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Over the stated, an allowable gf, a because of historic additions to the.

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Rear and as second floor additions that they just far exceed the point 7 or 0.8.

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That the the point 6, that a lot of these lots are, I know that, because we also.

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Identified? Putting a third-story on as the nanny suite, which is also.

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Prohibitively expensive for for us, so we just won't do anything, but but the.

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Language in this referral is quite clear: it's it's to examine it. I'm still.

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Debating whether or not I should pull those out just to vote against them, so it was it's clear to the public and I'm not spoiling. Thank you. Thank you very.

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Much councillor leighton councillor fracas thanks very much.

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Madam chair, I have a motion they could put up on the screen and it's that it.

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Amends councillor my havoc's motion and adds the following instructions, and it's.

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That we request the acting director of city planning for this district to.

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Report to the june meeting on an update of the second units, a draft opie.

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Amendment public consultation meeting that's going to be held next week across.

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The city as the city is holding like I said, consultations on second units.

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Across the entire city and we're being asked today- or we were being asked today,.

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To consider carving out a piece of the city and introducing changes in one.

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District on a particular kind of second unit, personally, I would have preferred.

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That we looked at all second units across the whole city. I would have.

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Thought that that would be a better way to conduct this to conduct this process.

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However, that's not how it's happened, so I was a little surprised last week that.

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When I got the agenda for toronto, kneestr community kilns, that this item was on it and then in the same breath received an email from the.

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Planning department about this public consultation that is going to be taking.

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Place from may 7th to may 10th across the entire city to get people's thoughts.

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On second units, so anyways, that's my amendment. I in reading some of the some.

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Of the specifics of this report, you know around on page 25, it talks about.

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Building heights, where the some of these suites could be six meters tall, that the.

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Length of some of these suites could be ten meters long. I'm wondering what kind.

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Of backyard is going to be left when you already have a house on that lot. That is.

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Covering a lot of the property and given the price of real estate in this city,.

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Most people that are going to the committee of adjustment, at least in my.

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Area that I have observed are basically trying to cover the entire lot from line.

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To line that's what I've been seeing in my area, I don't know what you colleagues.

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Have been seeing in your area so because of real estate prices, that's what we're.

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Experiencing and so introducing this new aspect, that is a bit of an over.

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Development of the site, in my mind, and perhaps in the minds of others, and that.

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In the community that I currently represent, but that come to the committee.

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Of adjustment to speak to what they perceive to be the overdevelopment of.

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The site- this might be part of that, but I guess we'll see next month when you.

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When we come back with some more answers and the other thing that I was.

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Particularly interested in is the page 26 comments around parking and that no.

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Parking spaces will be required on a lot that includes a laneway suite and so.

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That's in areas where we have parking that is so coveted and we don't have.

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Enough of it- and we have yet to develop an app some kind of application that.

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Lets you drive home fold up your car, put it in your pocket, walk into your house.

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And carry on with your life, we actually have some really serious.

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Issues in the toronto nice jerk district as it relates to parking, so I'm.

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Concerned about that- and I know I speak for the people that I represent around that because we actually had a permit a permit parking consultation in in the.

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Easter-Egg civic center on the 23rd of april and many people have been writing.

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In to me, with their concerns around parking issues, so this is a little.

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Troubling, if we're going to be potentially stripping away parking requirements on on sites and then wondering where people are going to park.

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In areas where some of the streets are, and some of the permit areas are at a.

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Hundred and ten percent capacity and people are wait-listed, so those are just.

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Some of the concerns that I have I look forward to seeing this again in june. I.

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Look forward to hearing what comes out of the consultations that staff are.

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Going to be hosting across the city next week and hope I have an opportunity to.

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Pop by on monday evening, to metro hall to to hear from from folks and and see.

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Where this goes, thank you very much councillor our next speaker, councillor.

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Perks, thank you very much. Let me begin by saying that I'm not.

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Going to support deferring this item, I think it's time we got this done on a.

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Few of the items that have been raised today: first, let's get let's dispense.

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With the red herring of affordability, this has nothing to do with.

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Affordability never had anything to do with affordability. These will be either.

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Mid rent or luxury units- I mean my god, a separate detached dwelling at grade in a.

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Stable neighborhood in the city of toronto is not going to rent for the.

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Average rent in the city of toronto, it's going to go for a lot more than that.

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Ident I can afford one b, so this has nothing to do with affordability,.

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However, some members of council believe that we should be looking at programs to.

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Support getting affordability in a range of building types and that's important.

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And and that's a great thing, but the way.

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Deferral is not the way to get you to that. I would ask you to look at.

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Recommendations number seven in the report in front of you: it directs the.

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General manager or sorry, I forget your title- all the time, shawn direct shawn to.

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Go look to go. Look. Housings are gatton to go. Look at laneway housing as part of.

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The housing opportunity ten-year review, that's due to happen next year, so just.

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As we will be looking at whether rooming houses are part of our strategy, whether.

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Expanding coops is part of our strategy. Whether the city buying land is part of.

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Our strategy, we will be looking at laneway houses to see if they can fit.

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Into our housing affordability strategy and if it makes sense fiscally for the.

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City to try to incent that portion of the housing market to be where we put.

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Our egg, our affordability, eggs, or does it make sense to go somewhere else so.

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There's no reason to defer this to find out anything about affordability. We want.

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To do that as part of an overall strategy, what this does do, though, is.

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Answer a dilemma that I think is in front of the city of toronto: the dilemma.

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Is foundational to how canadians think of themselves, we've always told.

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Ourselves that to be middle-class, you have to own your own home and we're.

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Discovering in the city of toronto, that's not possible, we can't provide a.

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Detached home for everybody who aspires to be part of the middle class and wants.

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To live in the city of toronto, it's just not possible and in fact we're gonna.

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Become more like many large cities in the world, particularly those in europe.

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Where the middle class lives in rental, housing or some form of social housing.

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Co-Ops not-for-profits government provided affordable housing. This is.

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Actually, to my mind, the key to what this issue is. This is the city of toronto.

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Recognizing that people with reasonable incomes or complicated family.

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Arrangements and who consider themselves in class are not going to all be homeowners in the city of toronto. That's actually.

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The essence of, what's in front of us now, that's actually the the dilemma. We're.

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Dealing with now, we've heard a lot about existing policy and our official plan.

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And so on and so forth and yes, there was a specific exclusion for this, but our.

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Official plan specifically states that, within our stable neighborhoods, we want.

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To see some population growth, as long as it reinforces the existing character in.

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My word I'm forever having to explain to people that yes, a four-story apartment.

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Style building inside a neighborhood is good planning. It's good for the.

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Neighborhood we're seeing actually in some of our are stable residential.

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Neighborhoods we're seeing population shrink because we're not finding more.

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Solutions like laneway housing, because we're not telling people who live in our.

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Neighborhoods, yes, a four-story walk-up is a fantastic attribute in a.

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Neighborhood, we're not telling people towns are good. Sammis are good, laneway.

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Housing is good. This is part of what makes a vibrant neighborhood.

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Particularly in the downtown where we already have some of that, I am concerned.

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About the trees and I understand, councillor mcmahon is going to be moving.

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A motion asking staff to clarify that we can prevent an as of right lane way.

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House going in if the builder can't find a way to do it without demolishing or.

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Without destroying or injuring a healthy, mature, a healthy tree, I want that. I want.

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That one locked down, I expect to see it by council if this makes it to council.

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Those are my comments, but I really think you know: let's not get distracted about.

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This being something else, this is about the the future of the city of toronto,.

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Where we're going to live in all kinds of different arrangements, where we're.

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Gonna live in all kinds of different forms and where we haven't.

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Shrink-Wrapped our neighborhoods and said, send all the development to liberty.

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Village and eglinton and young and king spadina. Thank you very much.

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Thank you well church and church and young cordura, but yes, who's, counting.

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Thank you very much for those comments, our next speaker, councillor van loh. I.

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Have a motion with the expectation that there is a referral motion, but this.

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Isn't the motion essentially, I I believe that it's important for us to have.

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Information back to see how we can better ensure- and this is by the way.

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Material to this debate, but it's an overall concern that I think all of a.

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Shair who care about the the security tenants should have no matter where they.

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Are no matter what they live in throughout our city.

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I've significant concerns that, under existing provincial legislation, there.

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Are two to standards that that tenants live under you know one if you live in a.

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Building with more than six units, you have a number of protections under the.

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Rta, if you live in a building that has fewer than six dwelling units, the city.

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Can't prohibit or regulates demolition or conversion, and it's not just the fact.

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That the city can't regulate or prohibit demolition or conversion, if you are, if.

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You are living in in a building a small building with few units and even the.

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Threat of the possibility that you could be subject to your landlord deciding.

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Just to move you out in that way means that, then you don't even have the.

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Confidence that you can defend the rights that you have and I've heard too.

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Many stories like that throughout the city, so currently even without laneway,.

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Housing we're already losing affordable apart.

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And apartments in general, better under that are that are in buildings that are.

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Under six units- and I don't want to see us- make more shouldn't- put it as more.

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Mistakes, but I just want to make sure that we're going into this with our eyes.

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Open to ensure that we do our due diligence and do everything we can to.

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Work with the provincial government to make sure that any existing buildings.

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Have those protections for those tenants, but also if we are going to move in this.

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Direction and incent, and and create more opportunity for small building types.

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That will have fewer than six units that we recognize that this is a priority.

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That we want these tenants to have protections and that's why I'm moving.

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This motion, I hope that we asked for that information and come back. I want to make it very clear this in no way enables or disables or impedes or any.

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You know it's not about it's, not about that. It's about whatever we do. We need.

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To make sure that this is a priority, and I and I've been asking for this, regardless of this debate frankly, on this debate, I'll speak very briefly to.

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It I actually think this was a incredibly.

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Thoughtful conversation that we've had today and I recognize that you know.

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Councillors by lao and mcmahon have passionately worked on this and they.

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Really care about this as a priority that they've been working on and they've.

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Worked with a lot of other people, including evergreen and and and a number.

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Of other organizations that do remarkable work and contribute to her.

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City all the time and that's why I totally understand that when you are.

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When you love what you have done and you believe in it strongly that just the.

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Idea of people coming and saying wait a sec there's a whole bunch of problems where we want to do anything deposit is, is, can go anywhere from frustration to.

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To being hurtful because you deeply care about what you're doing. Equally, though,.

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There are people- and I've heard from you- know: councilor rem, calvin singh and ms.

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Dexter and others who, who are our city builders, who like who are not the types.

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Who just come and say no to things they they're always saying like? How do we.

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Make things work? How do we solve things like that?

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These are people who are hearing from who are expressing some. I think genuine and sincere concerns about specific issues.

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That they're not saying they want to work on to stop they're just saying they want to work on to resolve, and so I would submit to us all that that.

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That that that sweet spot is councillor mcmahon was was referring to earlier is.

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Not so much about finding something that everybody has something to be upset.

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About so therefore, I know you didn't mean to say that way, but you know so.

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Therefore, you found the right answer, but actually, if we have a moment here, just a.

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Moment to work together to resolve as many issues as possible, then actually.

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The sweet spot is, is resolution and finding something that people feel.

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Genuinely comfortable moving forward with and I and that's what I'm hearing.

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From everyone today, so I think you know councillor crises, potential requests to.

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Work together to achieve that, I think, is very reasonable.

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It doesn't stop anything. It actually helps them move forward in the right way.

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Thank you very much councillor. Our next speaker is councillor mcmahon. Thank you.

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Very much and I have a motion that I am going to charm you into supporting.

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Instead of councillor havoc's, and that is if you'd like some time, we.

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Will give you time absolutely we want to get this right and get it right. The.

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First time and so let's move the report to council.

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And without recommendations, so we can work on on the things that you are not.

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That your questions about and and concerns about and also we are.

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Addressing which came out primarily today was we wanted more clarity on the.

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Lot coverage the density and the landscaping primarily the trees, so there.

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You have it for that. I'm I'm gonna take gord downey's lyrics and say this has.

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Been a long time coming, I can't sing that, but it actually has been. We've been.

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Asking for this and talking about this actually prior to me, getting elected.

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This was obviously brought forward, but we've been working on it since four.

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Years but I've been asking about it from planning and it was always know well, not.

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Now and whatnot- and here we are like how great is this day.

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Actually so close to to adopting a laneway sweets policy for the city of.

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Toronto, long overdue for sure- and I want to just give a shout out to to city.

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Planning and the work they've done, george and greg primarily. I need to go.

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On a hawaiian getaway in an hour really but you're gonna have to wait a little.

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Longer, landscape and evergreen have been working hard as as have all the.

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Residents of cha know, as they come out to all these community consultations.

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I'll tell you they're, not the usual people who come out well, who we saw at.

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These workshops and walks and and presentations and consultations.

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They're totally, they are some of the the usual people who come out, which is great.

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And then there were a ton of new people who had never come out to something.

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Before but this is really important to them because they want to stay in their.

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Homes they want to age in place, they want intergenerational living, they want.

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What what lanie suites offers so I'd say with the deferral you know it's tight.

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Timing, we got a million things to do before we recess in july and I think we.

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Can work together to to sort out what's missing before council and you know what.

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Yeah, you don't take things personally in this place, but it is a little frustrating to hear just before new and today that all of a sudden, there's gonna.

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Be a deferral when you know we're all around to have the conversation well,.

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Ahead of community council, but this is the closest we've ever been it's the.

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Most creative and innovative housing option. I think we it's been before us.

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And city builders want us to be bold, and residents want us to make a decision so.

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Let's do it okay! Thank you very much councillor any questions of the mover.

E

Okay, our next speaker is councillor by though okay. Thank you. I I want to start.

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By thanking staff and and the thousands of people that actually have spoken on.

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This issue and got involved from the residents associations to people that.

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Have just responded to emails and senders letters, so thank you.

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It's been an interesting conversation that the city has been having and that.

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Other cities have had for a long time. I mean vancouver's had this for 10 years.

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Ottawa's had other cities has had it, so we're not being that bold. To be honest,.

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With you, by having this conversation today, we're not being that innovative, I.

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Think it's about time, and that is why I can't support a deferral because, as I.

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Look to this motion, I don't see anything in this motion that can't be deal dealt.

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With from now to council, I honestly can't what I respect a lot of the.

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Concerns that were brought in here, I think that we do this all the time we.

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Bring in the stakeholders we bring in the residents associations we bring in.

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The councillors- and we have the conversations- and we have three weeks to.

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Have these conversations and and there's probably going to be some stuff that you.

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Know we're gonna have to agree to disagree, but two things we need to make.

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Sure that, yes, that we acknowledge these concerns and that's why I think we need.

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To have this conversations- and we have three weeks to have them, but also to.

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Make sure that we're not trying to create a feel-good policy? I have this.

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Term for the feel-good policies, those policies that people can say that they.

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Pass laneway housing, but they will not produce one lane lane where housing in.

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The city, because you kill it with a thousand cuts and so, as we make sure.

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That we are passing this policy. We need to make sure at the practical side of it.

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With all due respect, you know the same way that people were asking for rooftops.

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And not having the angular place we're trying to find that middle ground. That.

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Middle ground that is actually good planning that I think our staff have put.

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In front of us and and that's why I will not support this, this deferral, I want to.

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Pick up on something that that councillor perk said because I think he.

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Was brilliant on what what he said when I came to canada? I I came to the area.

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That I represented today and I and in my area, to be honest with you, I can't.

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Remember people not having two and three families living in there. I was shocked.

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Because I walked into my house, I went up the stairs and there there wasn't even a.

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Door dividing my family home from the neighbor downstairs. They called that a.

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Flat right: that's what that what we had. It was a blue-collar.

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Neighborhood that we had right now, what is happening is people buy the homes.

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Million-Dollar homes, gentrification comes and off we go. This is about the.

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Missing middle missing middle in terms of physical, but also missing, middle.

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About that people that are being pushed out from these neighborhoods that they.

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Might choose to rent they might not afford, but they might choose to rent.

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They might be able to, you know, go move into their parents house because their.

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Parents still won't in there, but they won't be able to buy a housing. In my.

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Neighborhood, even though their parents live there, and so if they have the.

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Opportunity to do this, it they might be able to live in there. This is about.

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Acknowledging that we have challenges in front of us and that we need to think.

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Differently, we need to think outside of the box that the house, with the car in.

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Front of the house, the big garage, the big three room house: it's not going to.

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Fit our society: this is what we're talking about. It's it's it's so you know.

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It's it's! It's not only about the laneway housing they over. Looking over.

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My this is and the affordability no, this is about us, embracing this concept and.

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That's why so many urbanists are saying get on with this: it's not that it's.

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Gonna build thousands and thousands and thousands of units, but it's about time.

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The city of toronto gives a sign to the to to people out there that were ready.

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To embrace this, that we're ready to take a step and to have these difficult.

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Conversations and and to move forward and to say you know what we're gonna.

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Have to do things a bit differently in here and so that's why. I think that we.

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We have to acknowledge people's concerns. We have three weeks and that's why I.

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Think we can do it from now until council and move on with us.

B

Thank you very much counselor counselor chrissie to speak. Thank you chair. So.

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2006 was the last time that city council considered in a fulsome way laneways so.

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Eighteen years ago, city council at the time, said no laneway housing without a.

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Rezoning, okay, I without a rezoning so that it's a.

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Rather significant important and worth noting change over the course of 18.

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Years that we've now seen here and in that light I think it's worth. I would.

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Start off by thanking councillors, mcmahon and by lao for for pushing the.

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Issue forward to the city, planning staff and across many divisions for their.

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Exemplary work from walkabouts with residents in my community to.

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Consultations to one-on-one briefings, I want to thank them in single out greg.

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Ewtn's and to the many many many residents and stakeholders who've been.

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Part of that- and I would say on this basis that after 18 years we're almost.

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There laneways are- and I believe this.

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Certainly in the old city of toronto, the tty cc, but across the city, a tremendous.

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Untapped resource for the city of toronto, if I could talk just about my.

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Ward and ward 20, I with a couple examples: rush lane where rick mercer.

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Does his rant, we currently have a rush lane pilot project that we've initiated.

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With the local bia and the residents association to transform that lane into.

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A cultural space with new lighting opening up patios on the back and.

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Embracing the graffiti in here on sussex just today earlier this morning, we.

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Approved laneway houses through a rezoning in here on sussex as part of a.

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Comprehensive neighbourhood plan and housing strategy and in the harvard.

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Village area we've had a greening plan and um it's working on croft lane way.

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For years, and so laneways can become so much more and that includes housing. So.

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The principles for me, as I'm approaching this debate here on the housing context.

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Is who are we designing our neighbourhoods for I'll build on.

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Counselor by lau's comments here in terms of who we're designing them for.

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But how I think we can do a better job in this. Our established neighborhoods of.

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Which I was privileged to grow up in one and live in one today can handle more.

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Intensification and they can in large part because our neighbourhoods are.

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Changing many of the single-family housing units.

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Houses I see today we're former rooming houses or former multi-dwelling units in.

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Our neighborhoods, despite our best efforts through basement apartments and.

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Others can do more to ensure that we have a diverse housing stock in our.

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Areas the support to support diverse incomes, whether that's rooming houses,.

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Walk ups or laneway houses, I think that's an important part, but here's the.

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Thing with established neighborhoods, given the exceptionally scarce supply of.

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Low-Rise housing, which is exceptionally scarce, we have to do everything we can.

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As a city, when we consider who we designed the intensification for to.

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Ensure that there are a mixture of incomes just as in the 60s and 70s, when.

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We purchased through city home houses in established neighborhoods to ensure that.

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They were mixed income as we look to develop an as of right, joning permission.

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For laneway housing, we must do it now to ensure that we are designing this. Yes,.

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For the missing middle, but also for those who can't afford what will be.

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Above market rent rental properties, because, as councilor perc said, make no.

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Mistake these will be above market rent. Now, that's not to say we don't need low.

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Rise above market rent properties, we do we do, but in this moment right now let.

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Us make sure that we do everything we can after 18 years to ensure that if.

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There is 12 years sorry, 12 years I apologize to you. Thank you, but let's.

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Make sure that we do everything we can, because if there is a way that we can.

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Approve, as of right, housing in our laneways, with increased measures for.

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Affordability, why on earth would we not do that when we have a poultry objective.

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Of a thousand new affordable housing units a year in a waiting list of 181.

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Thousand units- I'm not prepared to say after 12 years of waiting, let's pass.

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This today, if we can wait a month to see if we can add to that stock, and so it's.

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For that reason that I am one of as of right lane way housing. I am.

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And I want to get this done this term, but I also support councilor may have.

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Experienced delays to improve our opportunity to ensure we have both. As of.

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Right but a stronger commitment on the affordability side than I want to do.

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That and I think it's worth the wait. Thank you. Thank you very much. Councillor.

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Krusty, I'm gonna bump myself and allow councillor davis and then councillor.

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Flexure to speak anyone else, okay, counselor davis, go ahead. Thank you, chair.

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I will be supporting the deferral and I'm sure, based on some of the questions.

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That I raised during the question period, I still want to make sure as many others.

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Have said that we have this right. What we're about to do is give as of.

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Right joning, that means your neighbors will not get notice. Neighbors will not.

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Have any right to comment: it means that that particular new house behind a house.

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Is going to go in without any process that neighbors can engage in, and I know.

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There'll, be people say, yeah, that's good and people are calling it streamlining.

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And various other using various other terminology. But it is a big step and I.

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Know that well in my ward, I don't have a lot of lanes, so this is not going to.

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Affect our neighborhoods as it will in the downtown area, but there are 34,000.

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Lots that now will instantly have a right to a lane way if this goes through.

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A lane way second suite if this goes through.

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You know at the beginning- and I I do I should have started as everyone here to.

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Thank our counselor colleagues mcmahon and by lao who have championed this from.

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The beginning and who have worked with an incredibly talented group of young.

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Somebody used the word urbanists. I have a 20 year old, 25 year old son, who I.

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Would categorize in in that cohort and they've been very good at having their.

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Voices heard I have had concerns about making this as of right without us.

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Making sure we have absolutely got it correct, because there will not be a.

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Process where our neighbors will have a voice, so we've got to get it right.

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Councilor by lao said it's just like a garage if it's bigger than a if it's.

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Bigger than the zoning allows and you go to committee of adjustment, this is not.

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Just a garage it will, however, though, offer rental housing in the urban core.

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And you know my 25 year old son, who is hoping to live in the downtown because.

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That's the urban environment he likes appreciates. His friends are.

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There- and he does want to live in that environment and maybe one day he'll be.

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Able to afford the rent of one of the secondary suites downtown. But as.

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Councilor, perks and others have pointed out, it will not be affordable and the 33.

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34 thousand people who have a lane way lot. They won the lottery, they will win.

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The lottery when this goes through. That means that your properties instantly a.

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Higher assessed will instantly be higher, assessed value whether you put.

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Second, suite on it or not, because that neighborhood is going to go up in value.

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It is not going to make those properties any more affordable for anyone else to.

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Be able to purchase so as we men, hack, nuys, the downtown core, and it's.

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Happening of course, we will, through this approach, provide more options for rental.

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Housing- and that is good, but I do believe that the stable residential.

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Neighborhoods have been told and expect that they're stable residential.

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Neighborhoods are going to stay stable and there is the potential to.

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Destabilize our residential neighborhoods and while the official.

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Plan says they're stable, but not static. The potential here is huge for seeing.

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The loss of green space for seeing the character of these neighborhoods change.

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Significantly, and so I do think we have to get it right, I'm not sure these.

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Standards are right yet, and so I think we well first of all because, as someone.

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Else pointed out we're all looking at what got changed overnight. I'm circling.

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And trying to figure out what was changed councillor your time's up, so I.

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Think we have to get it right. Everyone has to understand truly what the bible I.

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Wasn't have this a democratic process where they have a chance to actually.

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Familiar their eyes themselves with it, get a further report back on clarification.

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Counselor frag attacks point out coverage is not your time is up this.

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Is a nice jerk issue for sure, and I look forward to engaging in this discussion.

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Again next month, I think thank you very much. Councillor fletcher.

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Yes, thanks very much. I say this is a really big idea whose time has come.

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It is very exciting and I think everyone's worked hard and I as well.

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Want to congratulate the councillors, the staff, the entire community. That's been.

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Thinking about this and others, we've got architects developers, people that are.

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Thinking and considering how this is going to work in the city of toronto, I.

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Have people come up to me all the time that say well, I really wanted to put in.

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A laneway house, because I, my kids, I want a place for my children. We've heard.

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About joey wants a place for either his father or himself up there all right and.

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That those are really important, personal things for everybody, when they're.

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Thinking about what are they going to do in this city that gets less and less.

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Affordable every day and all of us all residents who have kids realized wow.

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Where's your chance to live in the city, and but this is like a big development.

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It's this huge development with this big zoning bylaw, that's in front of us and.

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Those who aren't used to that who have come today, I just want to say to you.

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That's how we're thinking about it! It's massive it's important if this was a big.

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Developer coming in, we would want to spend the same time, although we have a.

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Pressure there that the developer says we're taking you to the omb, and so you.

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Better figure it out quickly. So, as someone said, let's get this right and.

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Those who have dealt and I'm just gonna say have sue and sita and others I mean.

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I met first met sita when she was dealing with the grange and development.

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In the grange there are people that have long history of getting development.

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Right under tremendous pressure, so I don't begrudge any time where we would.

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Want to see how we can make this better and look.

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At what the impacts are the same way is these folks that came in front of us for.

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Honest teds that come in front of us for the ag, oh say what about this: this this.

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And this this isn't about: do we like these or do.

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We not like these. We all like these. It's a great idea, it's! What are the.

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Circumstances since we're dealing with an as of right, though nning permission.

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That they would be introduced. What are the issues that we need to be very.

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Thoughtful about and those who have that expertise from the community side not.

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The staff side, I've come forward to say, here's issues. We want you to think about.

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And I think we do have to think about that. We'd always come to some kind of.

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Compromise or agreement I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about extra.

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Time here I'm worried about rushing when we have.

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People very eager to start this and those who have managed and dealt with.

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Huge development saying we really want a little bit more time, so we get it right.

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I also just want to add that affordable housing is the biggest issue of our day.

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The mayor says: that's what he's planning to run on? We had a huge easter sunday.

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The easter friday, the night before 130 people about housing, affordability,.

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Inclusionary zoning- these are huge issues, and so how does this add to.

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Affordability and if it doesn't, then how do we make sure that people that are.

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Modest income middle-class families- those who want to have this for their.

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Kids for their families and others at a decent rent that we can try to guarantee.

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That that we're not setting up in neighborhoods developers coming in.

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Building something and someone renting that out with no social good for adding.

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This into our lien ways, I believe we can make it better. Those kids that wonder.

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Where will I live? Will I ever live in the city of toronto? Will I have to move.

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Out kids raised born and raised here. I think this is very important for that.

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Generation and we have to think about them- affordability is very important for.

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Everybody and taking some extra time does.

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Does not bother me and anyone who thinks we're taking extra time in order to.

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Somehow turn this back, I want to assure you that our job, our job here, is to be.

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Thoughtful and get things right, and I appreciate the ability to do that. Based.

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On all the excellent work, that's gone into this to date,.

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Thank you very much councillor fletcher. There are no other councillors. I would.

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Like to speak as well- and I do have a motion if I can ask the clerk's that put.

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It on the screen and the motion is before you one- is to take the.

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Correspondence from the abc residents association and asked after report back.

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On that, the communications portion and an analysis of laneways suites has.

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Constructed on laws with row houses, the second part of the motion is to.

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Specifically, ask for written clarification around the site area.

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Specific policies, as they perhaps may, but up or a complement the secondary.

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Plan and in particular, opa 403 that that sort of rests over the.

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The upper area of yorkville I want to thank the local councillors councillor.

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By lao and councillor mcmahon as well, and I have to say I'm a little bit.

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Envious largely because I have been a huge supporter of laneway housing and.

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Laneway revitalization, along commercial streets beyond laneway housing for a.

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Number of years actually in 2010 I actually was a very naive young.

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Politician and I actually created a series of policies, each policy was a.

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Position paper from harm reduction safe for injection sites to pedestrianisation.

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Of yonge street to public banking and so forth, including one on laneway housing.

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And laneway commercialization as a facade improvement program, I didn't get.

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Very far on some of them and I have gotten much further on others, so it's.

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Actually, a fantastic fantastic report, that's before us and I embrace it with a.

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Lot of enthusiasm, I also know the history of 2006, because I actually.

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Invited the councillor who initiated that rapport to a.

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Conversation with myself, and that of course was councillor geum brownie and I.

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Asked him what went wrong in 2006 and how do I actually introduce it in 2010.

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Or 2011, and he essentially said to me, the city of toronto would never be able.

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To wrap their heads around it, largely because the conversation at that time.

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Was led by waste management and and that's because how do we service the the.

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The laneways, if they become front yards and front doors if they need to be.

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Serviced with garbage trucks and so forth, so that was one reason why it.

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Didn't go through another one was the severance of lawton and so forth, and so.

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Forth so, but he really was discouraging of me of even trying to tackle it again.

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I don't think it was. He meant to sabotage my enthusiasm per se, but he was.

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Just cautioning, you are going to run up against a hill, so hats off to the.

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Councillors who ran up against that hill and thank you to the community of.

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Urbanus, as well as just citizens who don't even consider themselves, urban is.

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For embracing the ideal of laneway housing, but really I think we need to.

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Thank planning staff and the reason being is because, if you were not able to.

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Help us get to a yesterday which clearly you've gotten us to a yes, not everybody.

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Is in agreement that it's the full? Yes, but your were so much closer than we.

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Have ever been before, I would like to see as a councillor.

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That's ending the term. I would like to see this term of council approved.

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Laneway housing with the modification, the refinements that are required, a.

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Neighborhood association that I represent, and I believe that they're, probably one of the most sophisticated in the city, which is the abc residents.

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Association, along with those who appeared before us, provided a 12-page.

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Letter of technical review and amendments attached to that 12 page.

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Letter was an appendix with six pages attached to that was appendix number two.

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With 11 pages and every single one of them was around technical considerations,.

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That they wanted a little bit more information and clarity. The one thing we did with the tall buildings guideline in the city.

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Is that we passed it and there wasn't nearly the same love of review, not the.

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Same level of energy and certainly not the same level of feedback nor technical.

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Feedback as we watch the city intensifying around us, I would say one.

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Of the things that probably we could have done was add that much more.

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Intensity to the review, because so much of what was a guideline has been blown.

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Up very quickly afterwards, because it was left for interpretation, so I.

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Certainly have no problems making sure that it does get passed in this term and.

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That we do feel that missing middle. But it's also important to note that the.

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Midi missing middle is much more than just laneway. Housing is about duplexes.

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It's about triplex, four-plex, multiplex, courtyard apartments and so forth. So if.

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We're gonna have a conversation about filling that missing middle. Then we.

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Might as well start at some point, probably in the new term, start thinking.

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About what does as of right for those built forms, look like beyond laneway.

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Housing now that is going to be a conversation I'll take tremendous.

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Courage, probably more than laneway housing, but.

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Nevertheless, it's a it's a great, very good place to for where we are today, but.

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I do think that it requires more refinement, but I don't want it to stop.

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And I want the councillors and everyone in the room to hear these remarks is.

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That I want this to be approved this term and I think we can get there. But.

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We're gonna have to trust each other that we want to get there together and.

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I've heard that, right across the room from all the different councillors thank.

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You very much so now we have to make sense of all these motions, so we will.

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Begin, I believe, okay, so thank you very much. I'm going to.

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So there is going to be a sequencing of the emotions I feel like yeah. No, this is.

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Great yeah, you don't have to write it down I'll. Just let you know what it is.

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Councillor fraser dacus, this motion will be moved, will be voted upon first and if.

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The clerk's can just put that on the screen on jog our memory. Okay, all those.

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In favor any opposed okay, do you want to record a vote or.

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Just let it go okay, okay, that parrot carries. Thank you.

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Very much our next motion is from kallstrom. A low weight goes on the.

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Screen, oh, okay; okay, all those in favor any opposed that carries. Thank you very.

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Much the third motion is my own. Coming.

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Onto the screens shortly, okay, all those in favor any opposed that carries. Thank.

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You, our fourth motion, is counts from the havoc's original motion. As now amended.

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By the the three preceding motions- and it's the long one so just wait for if, if.

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I could just on, I guess, a question just the clerk's that the motion number to.

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Review and reconsider doesn't direct staff to actually change something.

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Specific I'm uncomfortable havoc's motion point to his review and.

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Reconsider this is in providing direction to come back with. This is a.

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Requirement is it, can we provide counselor? Can we provide.

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Counselor leighton and answer: how will it be interpreted vice by staff.

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Is what you could just ignore point to a or like you could review it and come.

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Back and say it's not feasible right the way. The way we would interpret it is.

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That you've asked us to look at all of these issues and come back and give you.

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A thank you, okay, great thank you very much. Okay, so counselor may have exposure.

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Is before you and oh then there was a request for a recorded vote. Yes, okay, all.

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Those in favor indicate your support: councillor davis, councillor muhabba.

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Councillor fletcher councillor krusty councilor, wantem, councillor fridge',.

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Daka's councillor layton councillor matt, lo, those opposed.

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Councillor perks, counselor troi, see councillor mcmahon councillor by lao.

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Thank you that carries, and there should be one more.

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Oh, I see, I see, okay, so that now carries will have the.

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Opportunity so your ass or councillor mcmahon, your your motion is ruled as it.

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Redundant, we will look forward to seeing everybody back in this room in.

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Approximately one month, hopefully with every single wrinkled ironed out, so this.

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Is a very positive, big step forward. Thank you very much. Everyone.

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Thank you. Why don't we just take a two minute.

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Recess, while we organize the room but don't stray too far, we we will lose.

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Quorum shortly,.

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Could we get the members of the toronto and east your community council back.

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Into the committee room, please.

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So I believe there are some counselors who interested in clearing some quick.

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Items, but I also recognize the time it's it's quarter to six. I want to make sure.

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Every deputymon who's, been sitting around all day has a chance to be heard.

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So I'm not going to deal with the quick items right now. What I'd like to do is.

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Is make sure that the the deputies have an opportunity to be heard? Which brings.

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Us to te thirty two point: two: zero. Eighteen to thirty, two eastern avenue.

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One khalid place on to sackville street official plan and zoning bylaw amendment.

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Applications request for directions report. We have our first speaker, it's.

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Been numbered for me here. Isaac tang isaac welcome.

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We are item twenty twenty, your time, I'm here representing york.

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Condominium corporation, three, eight nine, that's the condominium corporation for.

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The property at 465, king street east and that's the site, that's located.

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Immediately north subject, property that's being proposed to be developed.

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I'm also presented katherine bray and alan potts, who are owners of unit 20 in.

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That condominium now, if there's a case for city planning, to draw the line on.

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What is appropriate in terms of development in corktown and what is not.

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This would be the case the words in the city's own secondary plan document, the.

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King parliament secondary plan directing where growth is appropriate and where it.

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Is not must mean something. Now we are parties to the local planning appeal.

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Tribunal, the ceo and be hearing, we have a pre-hearing conference scheduled on.

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June, the 4th we are prepared to support the city should it decide to oppose the.

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Proposed development we have party status and we expect to the city, be.

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There, as a strong ally now I've highlighted the concerns we have in the.

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Five-Page letter that I've I've sent late last night, but I just.

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Want to highlight three main concerns. The first is that corktown, it's a stable.

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Area, it's known for its small-scale development and its heritage, attributes.

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When you take a look at the second area plan, that's prepared for king parliament.

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Small scale is mentioned five times and four times it's in the context of cork.

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Town in planning terms, the proposed development is designated mixed-use area.

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A cork town, it's the sip. This shows right here see.

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Cork town is the area highlighted in in yellow all the other areas around it.

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Here this area here that area here these are regeneration areas. Now these.

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Are areas targeted for significant growth, cork town is not, and that is.

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Specifically stated in the secondary plan, and what I see here also is that.

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When council made its decision that passed the secondary plan, it created a.

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Boundary, it creates a boundary right along this line. This is eastern avenue.

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The area north of eastern is designated mixed-use area. It's supposed to be.

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Stable small scale development, the other areas south of eastern and essentially.

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West of power, slash, parliament is that as interesting, I think growth, and so our.

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Position is that tall buildings, which is what is proposed in this case, a 12 story.

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Building is not appropriate in sell in corktown.

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Now that's self evident in the planning documents itself, but we would like to.

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Bring council to the ground now eastern avenue is a 20 meter, right-of-way road.

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What's being proposed is an over 40 meter building and this is the staff.

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Report that curiously supports development admits that, by definition.

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It's a tall building we're putting a tall building in an environment. That's.

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Meant to be stable now, city staff mentioned that this development is.

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Better than the initial proposals always put forward, which did not comply with.

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The 45 degree angle plane at all. It proposed a 0-0 metre setback to the.

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North and essentially a giant rectangular building that was 12 stories.

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Now they've cut it they've shaved, the back of the developments they meet the 45-degree angle, but in all other instances it's relatively the same.

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Development, the height is still over 48 meters. The scale is basically the same.

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If you're, taking a look at it from eastern, it's gonna be the first tall.

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Building in corktown and it's gonna set the ground floor for future developments.

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In this area now, this completely undermines the direction the secondary.

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Plan that separates core town from the west don lands over here and jarvis's.

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Parliament, so that's completely contrary to the intent when council passed on the.

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Secondary plan for this, the third issue I'd like to raise is just the severe.

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Lack of street parking in corktown now the citizens here have been dealing with.

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Under eula, I guess not enough street parking for many many years, the last currents this happened was because there's an approval.

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Of 90 trinity right from the northwest corner of trini street and easter now.

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That was approved only with 61 units and 36 parking spaces. Now, what's being.

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Composed here is 331 units with only 91 parking spaces, so that's less than one.

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Parking spot for every three units in an area- that's already underserved by.

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Parking so the concerns that I'm raising here today they're not new concerns, so.

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There are the same concerns that have been raised by community consultation.

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Meetings for the development and same concerns raised by the city, it's in its.

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Own secondary plan now, when we're dealing with a conversion from.

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Industrial law to residential the secondary plan states that the building.

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Should not exceed the height the zoning permits, 12 meters they're, proposing 46.

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The density massing, the scale must be consistent and reinforced the physical.

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Character of the area, altaria is proposing a precedent, 12 story, condo.

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Building your time is up. Thank you. There may be questions for you. Any questions.

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For the speaker, okay, seeing none. Thank you. Our next speaker on this matter is.

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Katherine bray, katherine hi, you have five minutes. The clock is on.

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Your left-hand side, when you're ready.

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I'll start your clock. Thank you, I'm ready. Thank you. Everyone.

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And thank you for your attention. After such an interesting debate on the.

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Laneway issue: my name is katherine bray, I'm an owner and a resident at your.

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Condominium 3 at 9, as isaac mentioned, we are directly north of the proposed.

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Development and my unit is the southernmost unit, so I'm the one having.

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The pleasure of looking at 12 stories outside my bedroom window, this area of.

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Cork town is all 2 and 3 stories, so this is a shot of king street going looking.

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Eastward you can see the heritage character. You've got little trinity.

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Church here you know turner's just down here.

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This is heritage. It's all heritage along king heritage, on trinity heritage, on.

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Sackville and we care about that nature, the other thing I wanted to show you to.

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Give you a sense of the low scale. Can you see from this all of these buildings.

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Are under the 12 meter height, the only exception is a little bit off the corner.

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Of this- and that is 90 trinity- that isaac mentioned so this at 46 meters is.

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A huge departure from the rest of the character of the area, which is isaac.

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Mentioned has been identified as an area of special identity to preserve this.

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Special nature, we are not against development. We understand the city wants.

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To intensify as isaac mentioned, the city has identified areas immediately west.

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And south and we've got west don lands to the east of us, which are undergoing.

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Greater intensification, but it's inappropriate in this area that the city.

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Already made a policy to keep it small grain and lower. We have met with the.

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Councillor there are different community groups that are meeting with the.

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Counselor, our community group was residents from sackville trinity, king.

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Street and our condominium we've met with the council of twice.

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#Name? concerns one time if we facilitated with.

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The developer about 12 to 15 residents attending those meetings. I also have a.

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Petition that we went to remember that cold snap we had in the middle of after.

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Christmas, we went out, got a hundred and twenty rounds and twenty-one signatures.

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From the immediate streets in corktown special area, all opposing the scale of.

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This development there are approximately a hundred and twenty residences in this.

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Cork town area of special identity- oh I'm sorry can I ask you to take that.

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Down, yes, thank you very much, there's some personal data that we want to.

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Apologize, that's not publicly seen go ahead, please! Okay, there are a hundred.

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And twenty residences in this special area, they are special identity area of.

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Cork town at 331 residences, this building alone, will almost be triple the.

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Size of the existing residences- this is not small grained, sensitive introduction.

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Of gradual change, this is a this will completely change our area and also I.

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Think it's interesting with 120 residences. We figure about 80 businesses.

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We got 121 signatures. Two people declined to sign. One works with the city.

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Of toronto and felt that it was perhaps inappropriate for them to sign a petition and the other one said they were too busy: they couldn't. They couldn't talk with us. Everybody else that we asked signed the petition so as.

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I said we understand that development is going to happen. We just think this is.

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Just too massive a scale in terms of my residents.

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So this is our condo. This is our condo. It's a three-story with commercial units.

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At grade and then two-story residential, above which actually mimics tilton in.

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1970S, it actually mimics the heritage buildings in the area, which often had a.

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Commercial and then a residential up above my particular unit. This isn't a.

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Particularly attractive picture, but I think it shows the point my particular.

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Unit is here at the end, those that's my sunroom, which will now the new.

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Development is right here great at this end, at the end of the parking lot, my.

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Sunroom, it's got angled windows all across the roof. My bedroom, my bathroom.

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Has angled windows all across the roof? We're not talking small windows here.

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These are four by fourteen feet and I've got three sets of them. I will now have.

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All these people in this unit, looking at me, so I'm certainly concerned about.

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Privacy, I'm concerned about the use of my outdoor deck, which interestingly, was.

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Not on any of the developers materials, your final thought please, thank you. I'm.

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Also very concerned about shadowing the impact on the whole condominium and on.

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The neighborhood park, which will now lose at 3 hours of daylight in the.

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Mornings all through the winter. Thank you very much. Are there any members with.

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Questions for the speaker, okay, seeing none I'd like to call our next speaker.

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Allan pots allan welcome, thank you and thank you for all of you who have been.

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Waiting so patiently you'll have five minutes when you're ready. Okay, thank you.

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Madam chair and members of community council, thank you for allowing me to.

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Speak today my name is allan pots. I have been an owner at 465, king street east.

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For 20 years, I'm also the president of our small three-story corktown.

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Condominium york condominium corporation 389 and we're directly north of the.

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Proposed development at eighteen, thirty, two eastern one gilead and two sackville.

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We, as was said before by the two previous speakers, were in favor of.

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Development in our area we live in the city, we get it, but it's got to be.

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Development that too propria, as you heard from isaac, the.

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Proposed development is completely inappropriate. According to the king.

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Parliament secondary plan, this massive development is four times the allowable.

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Height and will adversely affect our community due to privacy issues.

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Shadowing lack of parking noise and excessive street traffic, we strongly.

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Recommend a ssin to move forward with this development, and we ask that city.

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Council rejects the recommendation and direct to city legal to strongly oppose.

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This proposal at the tribunal, thank you very much short and sweet and.

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That's been said, thank you, okay. Thank you very much. Any questions of the.

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Speaker, okay, seeing none thank you. I would like to call elizabeth jones to.

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Speak elizabeth are you here, I'm actually speaking for elizabeth jones. We.

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Checked with the clerk, oh yeah, you have her remarks right, have her remarks and.

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I'll read them: this jones is also an owner and business owner landowner.

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Business owner and resident at 465 king and she asked me to speak to the.

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Development issue that isaac also referenced, so this is eastern. This is.

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King street, this is our condominium. This is the proposed development site. The.

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Sites that are whited out are all surrounding us and those have all been.

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Assembled and are ready for development. Some of them are underutilized with.

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Parking, some of them are single-story that have been vacant for periods of.

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Years and one of our concerns so I'll read from it.

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His any development in historic or town should be small-scale, infill.

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Developments or building conversions in keeping with the characteristics of the.

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Neighborhood this proposal does not the the submission from the developer does.

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Not meet these criteria in any way and sets a precedent for future development.

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The white portions, as I said, are areas that have been assembled that we believe.

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Are ready for future development if the proposal goes for.

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For 18 to 32 eastern, we feel that it will just not only in itself will.

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Destroy the character of the neighborhood, it will set the precedent.

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Which will mean that these other sites will then get similarly developed with.

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Large-Scale tall buildings and we request that you reject the proposal.

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Recommendation by planning and that you join us in the appeal at the board. Thank.

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You thank you very much. Are there any members with questions.

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Seeing none thank you. Our next speaker is caroline lumos. Caroline welcome good.

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Evening, my name is coraline ulemas and I live at 461 king street east, which is.

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Right here and I'm one of the four set of row, houses which are actually listed.

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On the city of toronto's inventory list, so within the block of this development.

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I own one of the properties that is on the inventory I been in the area for 37.

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Years, I am property owner and business owner, okay,.

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So, regarding this development, I find that the massing isn't appropriate. The.

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Height and the setbacks, the setbacks are suggested to be at level 7. I believe.

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They should start at level 3. The last thing I want to speak about is that I.

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Was a participant in the initial meeting focused at putting together a workable.

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King parliament plan that was put together by our deceased councillor, pam.

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Economy during that meeting, the st. lawrence association, the citizens for.

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The old town, the corktown association and the queen street east association.

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Would present the outcome of the meeting was that it was important to maintain.

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The low scale framework for future development.

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In order to not take away from the industrial and residential heritage that.

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Is included in the area, and this includes commercial residential row.

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Houses which are on main street, such as king street and and row houses that are.

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On side, streets and cul-de-sacs to approve this development will go against.

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All that our disease counselor helped to establish. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Any questions of the speaker seeing none our next speaker is peter naismith, peter.

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Welcome excuse me for a ad-hoc speech. I wasn't going to speak, but in the.

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Presence of democracy in action, I felt I should I agree with all the previous.

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Presenters, I'm a resident on sackville street, an owner from the frightening a.

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Long time of 40 years, I agree with everything they said. Precedent is a big.

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One for us, I won't go into it any more than that. You know what I'm talking.

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About historically same thing, it's a big one.

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For us, other people have talked to it. It's important. It's all toronto. On our.

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Street we've had meetings talking about. What's going to happen, one of the.

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Biggest problems we have with this development other than height, which goes.

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Without saying, and has also been dealt with before is the loading of all the.

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Traffic from this building of 331 units, plus the businesses along eastern avenue.

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All that traffic is loaded onto a, I would say, small scale. One block long.

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One-Way residential commercial street, all of it allotted their main entrance.

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Is off sackful across the street from a public the longest? I think I may be wrong. The longest continuously running public.

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School in toronto inglenook school, the entrance is directly across the.

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Street from the school, if, in fact, we get multifamily or multi or family.

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Residences in this building, eventually that school is going to be.

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Required there are no schools, no new schools in that area, so you're.

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Potentially, going to have a lot of kids wandering up and down where trucks are.

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Delivering where garbage is being offload uploaded where cars are coming.

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And going, and particularly where ubers and rental cars and everything is all.

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Trafficking trafficking. Excuse me on sackville street. That is the main thing.

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That I would like to get across today is that, for some reason, a small residential.

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State or residential commercial street is being loaded with all the traffic.

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When it has frontage on a four-lane city street eastern avenue, why I don't know.

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Obviously, there are reasons and we've discussed some of them, but we're going.

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To end up with all that traffic, on top of which there is no commercial or no.

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Public transit on eastern avenue, all the foot traffic is going to be trout.

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Traversing our street up to king street, if king, if the king project line for.

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Streetcar extends to us, it would be great because then that'll reduce it. The.

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Traffic as well, but everything is getting loaded on sackville street. You.

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Judge once criticized me for saying it's just not fair, but in this case I don't.

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Think it's very fair. Thank you very much for you. Two.

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And thank you very much for your deputation. Are there any questions? Okay,.

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Seeing none I'd like to call our final speaker steven quincy great welcome.

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Steven, I have five minutes. Thank you counselors. I know it's been a long day.

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And listening to residents complain about development, it's not much fun, but.

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We would really appreciate your attention and your consideration, because.

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We as a neighborhood thing, this is really really really important. I wrote.

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Down some of my comments, so forgive me, I left my glasses at home. My name is.

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Steven quinny I'm an owner, 465 king street east. I live there.

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I'm also a business owner at this property. My building sits immediately.

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North of this proposed development residents in this neighborhood are in.

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Distress about this proposal- and I mean that so much so that many of us have.

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Given up our day to be here to talk to you and we've waited because this is.

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Really really important the residents of this block of historic cork town asked.

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The councillors to oppose this application on the grounds of its.

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Inappropriate scale for this small block, the king street secondary plan was put.

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In place to provide a framework for growth in this neighborhood current.

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Zoning, as you have heard, permits a 12 meter high building. This proposal is 46.

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Metres it bulldozes over the secondary plan, recommendations for small-scale.

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Structures that will respect the history and the scale of our block residents are.

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Concerned with the height the mass, the increased traffic, which believe me is.

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Already extremely concerning the impossible parking situation and the.

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Shadow impact, amongst so many other reasons, we've heard talk today about a.

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Need for housing in toronto? This block is not big enough, nor is there.

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Sufficient infrastructure to support the building of this size and a proposal.

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That needs to build a massive building on a small lot, because it.

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Does not make financial sense otherwise, for these developers is not an example.

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Of good planning, in my opinion and in the opinions of the people who live here.

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We are concerned with the precedent that a building of this size sets for the.

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Neighborhood and it's bigger than anything else, we have to live with right.

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Now we live in a historic, neighborhood little trinity church, the enoch turner.

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Schoolhouse, as well as the remaining worker cottages that define this.

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Neighborhood people come here because of this, the building would cost shadows.

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Across sackville park, at certain times of the year, causing an impact on the.

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Precious little green space that we have in this neighborhood, we have one tiny.

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Park that right now is being renovated, and thank you city of toronto, for that I.

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Would like to stress that we are not opposed to redevelopment. This is a.

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Dynamic city, but we expect developers to be sensitive to the existing.

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Neighborhoods in which they wish to build, I bought my property, knowing that.

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The city had a plan in place to protect the heritage character of this.

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Neighborhood, based on the king street secondary plan, the residents of this.

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Neighborhood opposed this proposal in the strongest terms, and we ask that the.

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City oppose it at the tribunal. Thank you so much for your attention. Okay, thank.

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You very much for your remarks. Any questions.

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Seeing none thank you final speaker. You would like to speak sure we're also.

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Gonna get you to a check-in with the clerk's afterwards and make sure we have you on the public record. Please introduce yourself and you have five.

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Minutes great, thank you, madam chair and members of council. My name is calvin.

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Lantz I'm the lawyer for the applicant and I'm here to speak briefly to members.

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Of council, firstly, to thank staff on the efforts that they've undertaken through.

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The process of this application, the staff have been instrumental in.

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Conducting meetings that go back as early as 2014, there are meetings in 2016.

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We had meetings with the community many times, we've catalogued them. I counted.

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Many is 14 to 15 meetings and all between city staff and council, so I.

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Think the message here is that there's been healthy communication with the.

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Community and on behalf of our client, we would be interested in continuing those.

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Discussions in the event that we can't find a resolution before the hearing.

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That is scheduled to occur. I think one thing that needs to be kept in mind is.

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That this is a it is a large site. It's an industrial site. It's a contaminated.

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Site it was formerly cadmium plating, so there's an opportunity here to clean the.

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Site great work has been done with staff and responding to comments of the.

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Community to revise the application, it's resulted in the application becoming.

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Smaller shorter fewer units, increased step backs and and I'd like to go back.

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To a comment that was made by my friend isaac tang when he said that the.

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Developer in response to these comments shaved a little bit off the development.

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But essentially it's the same. He said it's shaved a bit, but essentially the.

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Same and if I can just illustrate what has occurred as a result of the.

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Discussions you'll see the demarcation of the 45-degree angle, er plane and the.

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Loss of a significant amount of density, the stepping has occurred just in the.

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Interest of time, I'm going to flip to another image just to illustrate the.

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Kind of shaving that occurred as a result of input from the city, so there's.

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Been an effort here in in in a good-faith effort on behalf of our.

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Client to respond in a meaningful way to these comments, so in closing I would.

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Just like to also point out that we have 12% three-bedroom units more than the.

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10%, that's, you know usually sought by staff. These are going to be larger units.

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In the range of about a thousand square feet so sizeable three-bedroom, you.

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And so, in closing, I would just like to again express our thanks to staff and.

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Again, to invite the community to carry on with the discussions, we have been.

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That have taken place over the number of years that this has been with staff and.

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I'm open to have any questions. Thank you very much for your remarks. Are there any.

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Questions seeing none, okay! Thank you. Okay, question.

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Dairy plan is so clear about the nature and height and character of the.

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Neighborhood, I'm a little surprised that your client would come in with such an.

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Egregious proposal, yes, the well our client- is there a reason why they would.

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Not work within the secondary plan. Well, we we are in in our v is working within.

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The secondary plan and I recognizes a disagreement, but there had been a number.

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Of pre consultation meetings with staff, the original consultation had a much.

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Higher building that definitely wasn't in the so, yes, you brought it down you're.

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Trying to say it's in the secondary plan: yeah, okay, thank you. Thank you very much councillor any other ones. When the other house was.

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With questions councillor davis go ahead in 12 stories, yes, and the original.

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Application was 13 story, it was 13. Is that what you're saying is a significant.

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Reduction, well, it's a combination of things, so it's partly its height, partly.

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Its drop in unit count there's been the introduction of a number of step backs.

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And setbacks to reduce the you know the impact and also to create a better.

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Transition to the north, the massing of the buildings been moved closer to.

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Eastern and you know it's, I think this is really an example of the the line.

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That you know I'm sure our councils are familiar with, which is for something to.

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Be compatible, it doesn't need to be the same, and I believe city staff had been looking at this development in terms of.

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What is a compatible fit and transition you're prepared to? However, I heard you.

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Say to continue to have further discussions. Yes, absolutely! Yes, we have a.

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Date we have a date at the the tribunal, but absolutely our client is willing to.

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Carry on discussions and reduce the size and impact? Well, we I know you, you put it.

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Out here willing to make further changes, I what I was saying is we're prepared to.

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Have these discussions and see where they go we're doing the discussions in.

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The context of a positive staff report: well, we all understand that, but we're.

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Also all familiar with corktown, yes, thank you.

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Thank you great. Thank you, councillor, matt havoc, very quickly, as I understand.

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It the secondary plan- it's not older than 10 15 years- something like that. Yes,.

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And that's when 12 meters, as a height limit, was established and you're going.

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46 yeah, it was 40 40 years secondary forty-year-old second area plan. I would.

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Get it, but if it was analyzed within the last decade or so.

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Okay, all right, thank you. That brings you to the end of the question. Correct. Okay, thank you. Thank you, calvin for your.

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Questions, I don't believe their answer answers. I don't believe there any more questions for you. Let's bring this, since I don't believe there are any members.

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From the public members with questions of staff, okay, counselor troi see thank.

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You, madam chair planning, can you outline the relevant.

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Built form policies in the official plan that apply to this site.

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So the through you, madam chair, the policies, it's within an excuse area in.

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The parent official planets, with an excuse area, which is one of the areas.

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That is expected to absorb growth in the city, both both employment and.

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Residential growth, it is the policies, do require transition to areas of different.

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Intensity in the parent plan, and also there are more performance measures.

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Around framing streets and providing appropriate public realm, the it is also.

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Subject to the king parliament secondary plan, which has some more specific.

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Policies still mixed use, but king parliament looks to encourage investment.

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It does speak to development being compatible with its context, and this.

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Particular site, as has been noted, is within the mixed use area, a which is.

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Also known as the core town area a and that does speak to development in that.

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Area being primarily small-scale, infill, #name?.

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Existing policies right now great, thank you yet you actually answered my second.

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Question as well, thank you, sorry, counselor.

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Any other questions: okay, seeing none members to speak; counselor troi's, please.

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I first of all I do want to thank the constituents for staying and the.

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Applicant for staying all day, especially on a sunny day, so thanks very much I've.

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Never stood so firm on my position on a development, as I have with this. I've met.

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With many resident groups, not just one or two but many within a.

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Very small neighborhood, so their voices were very clear in terms of the issues.

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That they raised I'm moving an alternate motion to direct the city solicitor to.

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Attend the alp at hearing and to retain external professional consultants as.

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Necessary to oppose the revised proposal, I've reviewed reviewed the comments.

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Presented in the report and consulted with planning and legal staff, while I.

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Understand the reasons for planning's conclusions, I do not believe the results.

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Of the staff report gets us to the intent of the king parliament secondary.

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Plan and the official plan corktown is a neighborhood of small fine grain streets.

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And buildings, sensitive and appropriate infill development has been approved in.

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The area several times in recent years, this application does not meet that.

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Level of sensitivity, many more development sites in the vicinity. If.

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Approved like this could compromise the distinct low-rise character of the.

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Interior of cork town as well, the west don lands precinct just to the south is.

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Continuing its revitalization, that plan calls for lower heights than this.

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Proposal- and we will be, we will risk disrupting the years of careful planning.

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By the community, stakeholders, planning staff and waterfront toronto, as we have.

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Heard today there is a huge amount of community opposition to this application.

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The cork town residents and business association and residents in the.

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Immediate vicinity of the proposal are very passionate about the special.

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Character of their neighbourhood, however, residents are not only bringing forward.

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Concerns and feelings of anxiety. The deputations today presented substantial.

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Planning arguments based on professional opinion and local expertise. I believe.

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It's important to support community concerns and they also have to be.

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Carefully considered with the reality that the planning decision making.

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Process this application falls under the regulations of the old ontario municipal.

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Board and any decision has to be weighed against that framework from my.

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Discussions there is a sound case to be made to continue to oppose the.

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Application, and as always, there is opportunity and.

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Difference to reach an appropriate settlement before the hearing.

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I asked members of community council to support my motion. Thank you. Are there.

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Any members with questions of the mover or just once for fletcher yeah, just when.

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You've indicated that they'll can negotiations will continue up to city.

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Council correct and there could be on what basis would there be an agreement.

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At city council that you would accept, I think I would still have to have.

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Community consultation with that counselor, so you will fully engage this.

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Fantastic court, absolutely in any discussions with for any settlement that.

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Might be proposed prior to counts. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Any other councillors with questions for the mover, no okay,.

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Any other speakers, no all those in favor there's only one motion before us sure.

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Yep, there's a request for a recorded vote than indicate your support for the.

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Motion all those in favor, councillor davis, count, sir, my havok councillor.

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Fletcher councillor wong-tam councillor tragedies, councillor layton, councillor.

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Perks counter troisi councillor mcmahon councillor by lao, let the record reflect.

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That the vote was unanimous. The item as amended, I believe, yeah item as amended.

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All those in favor any pose that carries. Thank you, te 30 2.0, actually before we.

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Do that we have just got to quickly add. Can I please have a motion to add thirty.

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Two point: ninety four to thirty two point: ninety eight onto the agenda we're.

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Making it bigger not smaller, now all those in favor any pose that carries.

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Thank you, madam speaker. Madam chair, I know there are some people in the.

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Audience that have been waiting all day and there are no deputies. I wonder if we.

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Could clear the deck so that some people could go for the items where there are.

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No speakers no deputations counselor, unfortunately, and I and I will.

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Say unfortunately, there are 19, I think concert. Bylaw has right what they're.

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There are about six items further down that actually have deputies and as we.

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Call these items there may be deputies, I don't know, so I think we need to.

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Probably best just go through it, I I can't take any releases and I'm sorry. I.

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Actually have a, I have a family engagement at seven o'clock and.

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Unfortunately, I'm not even gonna be able to it to my own family engagement, so we.

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Have we have a duty to carry out, and, and here we are to do it-.

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Te thirty two point: two one: 309 cherry street phase, one and phase two zoning.

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Amendment application request for directions report any members here at.

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Public, that's not a scornful look just so you know I welcome you come on come.

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On come on up, I wasn't disappointed in case you were. Thank you. Thank you.

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Chairman and you please just state your name, madam chair, excuse me my name is.

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Paul johnston, I'm a land-use planning consultant, I'm here on behalf of lafarge.

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Canada lafarge is a cement operator that operates a cement terminal immediately.

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South of the subject- lands of 309 cherry street- I'm here to speak briefly to you.

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To express our support for the planning staff report and to indicate our.

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Significant concern with the proposal at 309 cherry street. There are a number a.

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Great number of concerns set out in the planning staff report, which we support.

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These include the prematurity of that of the application, the fact that flood.

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Works, our flood protection is required and other measures needed, including.

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Precinct planning and obviously the fact that the proposal itself does not in any.

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Way meet the planning, that's been done by waterfront toronto or the city for.

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This site I'll simply say, however, though, that there are a number of that our.

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Significant concern is that the applicant has failed to address.

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Issues of compatibility with the existing industrial use, the lefur juice.

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And other uses in the area that the studies that were submitted in support.

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Of the application, in fact, themselves call for appropriate industrial.

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Compatibility studies which have not been completed and therefore it's not.

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Possible to know whether the application is suitable from this perspective, and so.

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That is the lafarge issue. I will conclude by simply saying that the.

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Matter, that's not been addressed in the staff report is one of transportation.

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Impact the city and its studies of the area, its extensive studies of the area.

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Has indicated its intent to do a traffic management plan for this area so as to.

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Allow industrial uses such as ours, such as the salt operator, to continue to be.

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Able to access this area for industrial purposes, there are safety issues that.

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Need to be addressed, we look forward to that study being completed and certainly.

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That would be a necessary precursor to any and all development in this area, so.

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I conclude by urging you to accept your planning staff report and to oppose this.

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Application: okay. Thank you very much, mr. johnson, any questions for the speaker.

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Okay, seeing none, I don't believe, there's any other members here, because the.

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Public could speak so we would like to open this up. Questions of staff, no.

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Questions is consulars to speak councillor fleck. Yes, I'd like to move.

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The staff recommendation to refuse and note that it's a gigantic building way.

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Outside of the precinct planning that was developed for um villiers island and.

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I'd like to have a recorded vote on that, please: okay, there's a request for a.

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Recorded vote all those in favor, please indicate you, ask the councilors to sit.

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In their seats, thank you councillor, frog, decca dacus we're having a recorded I'll.

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Start on this side give you time again to your chair. Councillor davis indicate.

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Your support please councillor fletcher councillor, wong tam, councillor fridge',.

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Docas councillor laden councillor perks, counselor troi's e alastair, mcmahon.

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Councillor by lao, let the record reflect that the vote is unanimous. Thank you very much. We are on item t 32.2 to 286 294 main street.

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Zoning amendment application request for directions report members of the public.

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Anyone here to speak to this matter, seeing none will bring this inside.

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Questions of staff- okay, councillor davis, so this this this.

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Went to the board when it was appealed, it hasn't been to the board. It was.

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Appealed by the applicant, when maybe that were you, it's not relevant it just.

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Felt to me like they went instantly, it was pretty quick like the day they were.

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Eligible a three-year matter, I don't believe the day they were eligible, but.

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It was appealed after the timeframe attributed in the planning act and prior.

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To the preliminary meeting public meeting correct? Yes, yes, that's correct.

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So, in fact, before they even met the community they'd already gone to the.

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Board, so our work had appealed to the board. I just want to be really clear.

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What the things are that you are currently it's very clear that you do.

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Not support this application in its current form, and I take from the report.

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That you're concerned that it is too tall, and I wondered if you could talk.

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About the shadow impacts on the north side of the dam 4th through you, madam.

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Chair is the report does be to concerns that planning staff have with the forum.

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Proposed that is reviewed in this staff report, issues of height density.

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Shadowing can transition to the adjacent neighborhoods. The proposal, as mentioned.

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In the report, the proposal does maintain some shadow impact on neighborhood lands.

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On the north side of danforth avenue, approximately between 9 18 and 11 18 on.

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The spring and fall equinoxes that does speak to some of the concern related to.

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Height on mass, though, there are significant concerns related to the.

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Proposal which we did, which we do address in detail in the staff report.

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Okay, I just wanted to ask about shadow, which is it's going to hint the block.

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North of the dam fourth, the residential neighborhood north of the danforth.

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Correct yes on the danforth okay; secondly, the the proposal has no three.

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Story, oh sorry, three-bedroom apartments is that correct. That is correct and what.

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Would we expect that they should have based on councils adopted growing up to.

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Your guidelines, we do work with applicants to attempt to achieve.

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Multiple two and three-bedroom units of a size that can support a family.

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Size units 0% is certainly not something that we would be supportive of and.

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Looking to looking for the proposal to be revised to address the.

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Recommendations of the growing up to your guidelines in full and that.

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Involves a clustering of the three-bedroom units on the first and.

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Second floors and about provisions in the design to accommodate families of.

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Strollers and play spaces, and things like that.

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Certainly, the guidelines do speak to the position of providing family sized units.

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On the lower floors closer to am editing and closer to the street streetscape, so.

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You know 0% units as proposed again does create issue that staff have noted in.

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The indy report right and the public realm there's inadequate setbacks and.

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Improvements or proposed improvements to the public realm. Yes through you, madam.

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Chair the proposal provides for setbacks at.

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Grade between three point, three and five point: nine meters, the tall building.

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Design my lines of the city maintains for.

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Reviewing tall buildings does typically look to achieve setbacks at grade of.

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About six meters to provide for appropriate sidewalk widths to ensure.

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Accessibility to ensure good walkability street trees, city, various city.

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Infrastructure so there's a standard, substandard sidewalk condition proposed.

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In certain areas of this application that again cause concern for staff, which.

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Is again detailed in the staff? This is going to the board in june before the.

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Next, council meeting and you are expecting to continue discussions with.

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Them until council is that right, yes, there's a! There is a pre hearing.

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Scheduled on june 12th 2018, hence the report asking for direction to.

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Proceed to that pre hearing on this basis and the issues identified to.

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Discuss the issues identified in the staff report? Okay, thank you very much.

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Any other members with questions just to clarify apologize. There is no hearing.

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Scheduled at this time again, just a pre-hearing in mid-june members to speak.

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Thank you very much staff recommendations and thank staff for.

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Working together, we, you know we, we were surprised with this kind of height for.

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This area I mean we know main and danforth, and I share with council davis.

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Is a mobility hobbits? You know fantastic that way, but we were nevertheless.

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Surprised that this kind of height we've made that quite clear to the developers.

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And trying to get them to work with us, they've also heard from the community as.

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Well, and so I'm, I think this is smart to have this before us. So if you'd like to.

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Support it that'd be great. Thank you very much councillor. All those in favor.

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Of the recommendation for us any opposed. Oh sorry, I apologize. We did not conclude.

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That vote councillor davis to speak, go ahead. Please.

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It is an inappropriate development towards versailles, massing and lack of.

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Affordable housing, lack of three-bedroom units and it absolutely needs to come in.

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Differently and has a huge impact and will set precedents for the rest of that.

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Neighborhood, so I hope that the developer will recognize that and make.

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Adjustments accordingly, thank you very much for your remarks. Any.

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Others who would like to speak okay, seeing none, then we still have the.

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Recommendations of the staff report before us all those in favor any opposed.

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That carries thank you. T3 2.24 request for a fence exemption to the trombonist.

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Volkova to code chapter four forms; no, what I like to do, sorry, I what I'd like.

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To do is the every item that has a speaker. I want to move through those.

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Speakers very quickly and they're going to come right back and I believe we can.

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Probably conclude the agenda, so I'm just moving to te 32.2 for request for a.

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Fence exemption to the toronto municipal code chapter four, four: seven: yes,.

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Councillor fragile adkins, sorry, madam chair, the deputies have left the actual.

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Applicant had a medical appointment at three o'clock this afternoon and spoke.

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To me and to staff, and what I'd like to do with this, to defer the item, because.

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They're not here and they were unable to stay. Okay. Let me just let me just read.

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The address for the public record, it's 51 don valley, drive.

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The deputy tent that was here is joanna's stable. I believe she's gone as.

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Per councilor fracas, if there's no other members of the public here to speak, then.

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There's a motion before us to differ all those in favor any opposed that carries.

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Thank you. It says june 6, okay,.

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Te 32.2 5 application to remove a city tree 209 rosedale, I'm just sorry.

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Counselor, I see you wanting my attention. I just want to there's a few items that.

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Have one speaker registered I? What I'd like to do is just make sure we can hear.

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From members of the public and then we'll conclude, the agenda, we're almost.

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There t25 application remove at city tree tool.

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Nine rosedale heights drive one speaker steven smith, welcome good evening. My.

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Name is steven smith and I'm a certified arborist. I work for my client, jillian.

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Johnson and martin shaw and they live at 209 rosedale heights drive. They.

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Purchased the house last august and they want to do renovations to their front.

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Garden, the house is in great shape, but they want to do a lot more with the.

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Front garden than what is currently there, the main feature of that front.

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Garden is one city-owned european linden tree that is very, very close to the.

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Front sidewalk, it's also very close to the city, hydro, wires, that run along the.

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Edge of the street, consequently, hydro over the years has chopped all of the.

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Branches off one side of that tree every year during its life, it actually had.

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More branches on it when I first inspected it last fall and since then.

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Hydro has been through again and taken off all of the branches that had grown.

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Out on this, this street side of the street, the tree the owner, wishes to.

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Remove this and replace it with as many trees as we can fit on the property.

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Trees that could be further away from the street and from the wires so that.

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They could have a chance to grow to a decent sized tree. They have an.

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Opportunity to make a slightly larger front yard than they have by doing this.

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Also and the city, the property is a ravine property with a forest behind it.

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Which is in bad condition, I've assessed it and it.

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Full of invasive species, weeds and vines completely neglected for many many years.

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So, there's an also an opportunity to have a net benefit to the city from.

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Planting at the front and also doing work in the back, this work would be.

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Substantial and expensive, and would be undertaken entirely at the cost of the.

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Owner they would remove the tree plant new trees and do the work in the back. If.

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This is deemed possible, so I'm asking for a variation. I understand that the.

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City wants to maintain as many healthy trees as possible. Do you have the.

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Pictures that I sent along you do. You should have a file there. That shows a.

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Picture of the trees? Okay! Yes, if you can look at your pictures, you'll.

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See that the tree in question is very, very narrow, it is being is growing to.

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The side, because of a very large tree on the adjacent lot to the west and hydro.

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Has taken off all the branches on the north side of the tree, the natural form.

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Of a european linden tree, if you can imagine an egg standing up on end with.

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Very wide base and quite wide all the way up this tree has been pruned into a.

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Spire, essentially only about three meters across total. There is very little.

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Canopy being created by that tree because of the surrounding trees and the.

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Heavy pruning that's gone on and there is enough room on the lot to plant trees.

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That would essentially fill the whole lot with tree cover, so we're asking that.

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We be allowed to take this tree down and replaced in whatever creative way we can.

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Work out to the satisfaction of the city, forestry. Thank you great. Thank you very.

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Much are there members with questions of the speaker, okay, seeing none.

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Members with questions the staff seeing none members to speak, then, oh sorry, go.

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Ahead, counselor; no go ahead; oh no! No! That that is fun. I was simply.

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Going to move the recommendations in the staff report, I was just gonna add.

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Something very quickly that we don't cut down a an enormous tree like this.

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Because we don't like the shape of it, any other speakers- okay, well, there's a.

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Motion before us is the breck staff recommendations, all those in favor any.

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Opposed that carries, thank you and thank you steven for your time.

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Te thirty-two point: two six front yard parking appeal: nineteen lemay road. It.

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This matter is in war, twenty-two what I'd love it are there? Any members of the.

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Public here to speak to it, you are okay, welcome just so you know. I just want a.

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State councillor matt lowe suggested that we defer these that I said I would.

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Defer this for him sign, he dies, so he'll bring it back when he feels the time is.

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Appropriate, so are you okay with that? Okay great? So then there are no speakers.

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Anyone who, with questions of staff, no okay, then I would like to move this. I.

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Would like to defer this matter, t twenty point 26 to furthest matter indefinitely,.

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I was advised that you had a motion. Oh did he have a different instruction.

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Let me know what it is cuz I okay, then all those in favor of the deferral.

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Motion any opposed that carries. Thank you.

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Te 32, oh sorry, opposed yeah. There you go okay, it still.

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Carries te 30, 2.27 front yard parking, appeals, 34, lr, beck.

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Any members of the public here to speak, seeing none okay! Oh sorry, I have a.

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Motion on that, okay, I'm gonna be deferring it because the polling doesn't.

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End or he'll move the deferral motion all right. Yes, thank you. If staff could.

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Put up the deferral motion, it's actually being deferred to the july meeting. I've.

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Been advised by city staff that the polling won't be concluded until the 8th.

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Of may and the report won't be ready for the june meeting and in fact will be.

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Ready for the july meeting, okay, we've had two repol this because of some.

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Irregularities motions right there, all.

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Those in favor of the deferral motion any opposed.

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Any pose council perks would you want to pose okay, it still carries the record t.

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Thirty two point: two eight front yard parking appeal: 161, lynne's, more.

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Registered speakers stephen clark welcome steven I'll begin with a note of.

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Appreciation for nina pellegrini, who has been a valuable resource in constructing.

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Our application and appeal- and I hope, he's enjoying his retirement. I would.

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Also like to thank counselor, freddy dacus and her valuable staff who have.

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Helped navigate the appeal process, which took a complicated turn last july with.

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The amendment to chapter 918, finally, I'd like to thank councilor by.

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Lao who revised the conditions of that amendment so the act of appeals like.

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Ours could be seen through to their conclusion before you today is item t 32:28, a front yard parking appeal for our home at 161.

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Lin's, more crescent in east york, we are proposing to expand on the shared.

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Driveway we have with our neighbor to the north. We are have invested in a.

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Property survey and enlisted a professional and established landscaping.

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Company that specializes in toronto parking pads to ensure that we meet all.

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Possible requirements put forth by chapter 9, 18 8, which governs governs.

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Front yard parking licenses, as you can see, from our landscaping plan we meet or.

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Exceed all open space, parking area and less soft landscaping requirements on.

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Light on-site parking is not currently feasible. Our neighbor has requested that.

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We keep our shared driveway clear as the resident has limited mobility and needs.

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Access to her rear entrance for herself and her support staff who visit.

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Regularly for the day, there is only one requirement in conflict with our.

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Application it was determined that our application was not eligible, as quote.

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Permit parking is permitted on the same side of the street on an alternating.

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Basis, our application better serves the spirit of this requirement than a.

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Literal interpretation does the curb of our front house currently has room for.

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One car the available on street parking space between our existing shared.

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Driveway and the driveway to the south is almost exactly 26 feet as a reference.

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Volkswagen jetta or a honda civic, two cars that commonly park on our street.

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Are each more than 14 feet long, there's simply not enough room to legally park.

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To such cars on that twenty five or six foot curb, in fact, if you look at the.

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Report for action file submitted by a city and turn to attachment fee you'll.

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See a photo of our home that cars typically parked several feet forward.

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From the existing curb cut now, some cancel councilors here may be concerned.

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That the city may put in a curb cut later, but I can assure you that even if.

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The city decides to put one in without us know, parking spot can never be lost.

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There is room there for only one car a truck now, but there will always be room.

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For one or car or truck, we currently subscribe to a non street parking permit.

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With subscriptions near capacity, it's often difficult to secure a spot near.

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Our home, we have two young children, one just in just an infant anyone here, who's.

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Had to unload a car with kids, I hope can empathize with the struggle of carrying.

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Bags and carriers down the block across the street, while keeping an eye.

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Open for cars often rushing down our one-way road. If the alternate.

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Recommendations are approved. We will release this on street parking permit. So.

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No spots can be lost with our application and in fact one will be freed up when presented with this information.

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Even our agnostic neighbors got behind her application. We have gone out of our.

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Way to engage our neighbors and in open lines of dialogue to address any.

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Concerns the result of this can be seen in the positive poll conducted by the.

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City, I've communicated with some counselors here who regularly vote.

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Against such appeals at 2:00 again open the lines of dialogue to concern their.

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Understand their concerns that might extend beyond the reaches of chapter 9.

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18 dash 8 along along the side, this landscaping project, we have plans to.

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Remove existing shared asphalt covering much of the backyards in the this in.

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Combination with adding a second rain barrel at the front of our house means.

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That the alternate recommendations before you today produces a positive.

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Result in diverting stormwater runoff in the city. In conclusion, our application.

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For front yard, parking pad meets all requirements of chapter 9, 18 8, except.

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Where park, there is parking on our side of the street on an alternating base.

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Basis, we believe the spirit of this item is to prevent a private parking spot.

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From taking over a publicly accessible parking and with this, we agree, however,.

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Since there is no chance of a loss of a parking space and we would be releasing.

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Our on-street permit the alternate recommendations before you today, better.

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Serves the spirit of this requirement than the black and white interpretation.

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I encourage you all to vote for the alternate recommendation and allow us to.

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Improve the parking conditions for ourselves and our neighbors. Thank you.

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Thank you very much for your remarks. I don't believe their question or no.

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Question there's there's a question: go ahead, please there's more permit parking.

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Near area beyond your block, it sits above 90% in our area. Yes right, but.

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There is more permit parking beyond your block. Okay, thank you. I think we should.

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Have more permit parking available in eastern, so we get pretty tight in our.

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Neighborhood but I'd be interested in seeing the results of that. Oh.

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Thank you. Thank you very much, counselor any others with questions.

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Seeing none members to speak so I just wanted to know, did you know there's a.

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Survey underway about permit parking and increasing permit parking throughout the.

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Trial in east york area are you aware of that? I know. There's been dialogue about.

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The parking in our area- but I don't know the details of that one and there was a.

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Consultation at the civic center just about all the streets that don't have.

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Permanent parking and how they can get permit parking. You don't sound like you.

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Know about that I don't know the details about that yeah. So anyway, it's worth.

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Looking into okay, thank you very much. Councillor.

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Anyone else with questions, or we move straight to speakers starting with councillor fracas, go ahead and then council person clerk's have my emotion.

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It's that I'm moving the alternate recommendations to approve the front.

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Yard parking pad at 161 lismore pleasant. Okay, thank you very much for your motion.

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And it counts for perks all of this staff recommendation tonight. Okay, yes,.

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Counselor, I think it might be really interesting to to put our staff to the.

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Task of identifying driveways that are no longer used in removing their curb.

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Cuts if they're not used, we can be adding parking into and in into the.

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System, if they're, if two parking cars can't park there, but we have an unused.

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Curb cut what what's the curb cut doing there, 250 thousand dollar curb cut okay. So let's, let's, let's set up a working group.

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To explore that at another meeting but for now, let's vote on the two motions.

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That we have before us, starting with councillor fragile.

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Jacques's motion all those in favor to approve the front yard parking. Please.

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Raise your hand, please one count: mary's motion councillor: okay, one two.

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Three to approve and those opposed one, two, three four five councillor fletcher.

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#Name? the motion to approve the staff.

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Recommendations all those in favor to deny that's correct one. Two, three four.

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Five: six and then to approve three that carries okay, so the parking that's.

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Correct, yes, right, that's right, so that the application has been denied. Sir.

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Thank you, te 30 2.29 front near parking appeal, 102.

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Belfair avenue packed flute pat come on up. Okay, let's turn our attention to the.

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Speaker before us, you have five minutes when you're ready. Please proceed hello.

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Thank you very much good evening. My name is pat floyd. I live at 90, belfair avenue.

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And I represent many belfair residents, who are a pro opposed to front yard.

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Parking at 102 belfair avenue because it will eliminate a parking permit space.

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There is parking only on the west side of the street. 102 is on the west side of.

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The street and potentially it could damage the very large white birch tree.

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That's on the front lawn. This was the second time that such an application was.

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Denied a little while ago, we received notice for approval for front front yard.

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Parking, it was denied and we were notified of that and also in that.

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Notification, it was stated that it could not be reviewed for for quite a length.

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Of time I don't exactly recall the length, so we were quite surprised to get.

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Very short notice of the appeal this afternoon, which is now this.

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Evening, the notice hopefully was seen by lots of people.

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I have many signatures here in the short time. I only got my notice yesterday.

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Morning it was delivered to my neighbor's on monday. He returned it to.

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Me on tuesday, and so in a very short time. I got about 20 signatures of people.

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That are opposed to residents of belfair of nu, opposed to that front yard parking.

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At 102, okay, thank you very much. Thank you for your remarks. Question of the.

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Speaker, seeing none members with questions of staff, seeing.

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None members to speak councillor mcmahon. Thank you very much and thank you to pat.

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For coming down, I didn't see you away back there in the corner, but thanks for.

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Staying all day, I'm so I'm moving to my moving staff recommendations to deny.

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This parking pad councillor, perks and comes from lately. You don't want to know.

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Deny the parking part? There is a tree issue, so I am denying it and I can and.

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Do didn't I I'm time to time. Thank you. Thank you.

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Very much anyone would like to move the alternative recommendations, seeing them.

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Okay report before us staff recommendations.

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All those opposed, no okay, that carries. Thank you.

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T30 2.30 front yard parking appeals, 77, ludi avenue. We have a speaker leslie.

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Grant welcome hi, we saved you. Thank you matt, please. I do have a submission. I.

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Made 12 copies of a very informal, not sure what to do. Well, if you, the.

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Clerk's will take that from you and he will distribute it to us. Thank you. Thank.

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You so the parking pad application that was.

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Previously denied was from the previous owners of the house that I bought in.

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June and the reason for the denial was a not a favorable polling result from the.

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Neighbors, so the letter that you have in front of you is actually written by my.

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Neighbor immediately to the north of me, who explained the situation, why the.

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Neighbors objected to the parking pad in the first place, so first of all, I live.

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On the east side, where there is no street parking anyway, so the parking pad.

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Would not be taking up a spot on the on the street, in fact it would be taking my.

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Car off the street, I bought the house in june. My husband had died earlier in the.

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Year and so I needed to downsize, I've got four kids in their 20s all very.

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Supportive of the move, I didn't think I get emotional, I'm sorry.

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I knew the parking application was in process, but I didn't think it would be.

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An issue because everybody else has parking pads and it's that there's no.

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Parking on that side anyway, I subsequently learned that the previous.

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Owners all of the neighbors knew that they were renovating and flipping the.

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House and that they had no intention of living there. However, they did go.

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Door-To-Door, the owner and his pregnant sister-in-law.

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Saying they needed a parking pad, they were going to live in in the house and.

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They needed it, the owners were offended are not the owners. The neighbors were.

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Offended at this misrepresentation and the pole was was unfavorable so since.

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Then I've gotten to know some of the neighbors they're extremely supportive. I.

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Got the notice here on friday went door-to-door over the weekend and.

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Didn't receive any objection, everybody signed the petition immediately and and.

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And I have all their support. I was called to winnipeg on sunday night.

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Because my father is ill, so I just got back last night so that I could be here.

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Today, to support the the case- and I think the letter from my neighbor kind.

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Of speaks speaks to it. I don't want to go over time, but I'll just read one.

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Section, it said the application that was made in 2016 was submitted by mr. cade.

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Moon, a developer who owned the property at that time, mr. moon risk.

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Misrepresented his intentions with respect to the property to the neighbors.

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And ultimately dispatched his pregnant sister-in-law to solicit support anyway,.

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All this to say that the neighbors were offended and and not happy about it. So.

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They have changed their tune. I want to make the following points: the subsequent.

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Change in ownership has significantly altered the view of the neighbors as.

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Evidenced by the attached letter, I wish to be a longtime resident and hope to.

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Have grandchildren at some point, which means sort of dropping them off on the.

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Front porch and then parking my car and coming back, isn't really an option.

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Currently, there are 27 spaces on my block and 47 permits, so the chances of.

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Getting a parking spot on the on the street is very slim. I have been able to.

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Secure parking a few blocks away on many occasions, but I would like to say that.

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The that the polling was the only reason the parking pad wasn't approved.

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Everything else meets the requirements. I am happy to underwrite the cost of a.

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Formal pool, I was told that the city wouldn't do it, but I'm happy to do that.

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If it would bring a different response, certainly the response I've had from the.

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Neighbors I've been able to reach has been unanimous, not a single objection.

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Everybody just oval a design for sure I'm prepared to follow the alternative.

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Recommendations to cover the cost of the ramp anything- that's that's required. I'd.

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Like to do an apology, I didn't think it's been a long day. I.

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Can't imagine how you all feel. That's it any questions. Thank you very much for.

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Your remarks there are questions from councillor davis, oh of staff. Sorry, I.

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Don't believe, there's any questions of you so you're off the hot seat: okay,.

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Questions of staff- counselor davis has this of the applicant. It says there is.

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An on street parking permit registered to this address. That's, oh! So you do have.

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A parking yes, I do have a parking permit. Yes, I just can't find parking anywhere.

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Near the house, okay, as I mentioned, there are 27 spaces and 43 permits. Okay, I was.

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Worried it was wait-listed and you didn't have a permit. Oh no! No! I do. I do.

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Okay yeah, thank you and feel free to ask me anything if it's okay is it a.

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Question of staff or a question of stuff: okay, you're still off the hot seat,.

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Question of staff counselor layton. Thank you very much. I am I to believe that if.

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The poll came back positive, this wouldn't even be before us. It would be.

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The chair, that's correct. Okay, thank you. Okay! Thank you very much.

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Any other members would question stuff. You want to ask another question: go.

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Ahead, why would this have come back? You positive when there was an alternative.

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Parking available, no because permanent parking is on the opposite side of the.

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Street so permanent park it wasn't deemed to be disqualified because of.

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That so it's it's an application that met all the requirements of the code.

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Short of the positive pole, but there was permit parking available. That is correct.

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But that's not one of the reasons for denying it in ward 3 to yc right. That is.

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A reason for denying it in ward 31 through the chair that is correct or 14.

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Or 19 or 28 or okay, no, it's! Let's keep this, keep the.

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Discussion to a to a minimal to zero and let's keep questions of staff if there.

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Are no more questions of staff, then I'll. Take speakers, no more questions of staff.

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Speakers, councillor mcmahon well, I will just say that that was not a requirement.

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That I put in so that was from previous okay.

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So I am moving the alternative recommendations. This is a very rare. This.

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Is the first time this has happened? Oh okay, so oh my gosh, so I love your.

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Support, thank you because it meets the requirements. Okay,.

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Motion before us saying councillor perks, go ahead. Oh I'm gonna move the staff.

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Recommendation, sorry, I thought you were voting for it. So I'd like to just finish.

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Like I'm like who you're voting for all.

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Right so just to finish two seconds: if you don't mind, this met all the.

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Requirements, it would not be here except the poll, so I'm not sure why we wouldn't.

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Support that we wouldn't even see this application at all and unfortunately,.

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There's some discrepancy with originally with the neighbors, and I think it.

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Stemmed from the previous owner of the house, not the current owner, so it.

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Wouldn't be here and if she goes to reapply, you won't see it again because.

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She'll get support so, and I know that street and I know they're supportive, so.

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That was the previous owner. Thank you for your support in advance.

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Thank you very much. Councillor, mcmahon and councillor perks is move. The motion.

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To deny any other speakers ready to vote all those in favor to approve, please.

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Indicate your support, no, your motion first right, so that would be one two.

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Three four five and then four to deny to so that carries and the other motion is.

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Redundant so te 32.3, one refusal of a boulevard cafe permit application.

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Located at 582 college street jameson kurt he's, he hasn't been here for hours.

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Okay, great so counselor late motion and it's to.

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Approve with a very limited condition of closed doors and windows is the old.

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College street bar all those in favor of the motion before us any opposed item. As.

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Amended any opposed that carries. Thank you, adams ether. I'm sorry go ahead.

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If, if we're done with the speakers that I do have somebody here that I'm not.

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Sure if they want to speak or not on 32, 47, 47 or 37 47, we also have speakers on.

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37 47 is oh okay, so I'm you know what. Why don't we just jump around two times.

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And one is to just clear the deck of members of the public who been waiting.

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Very patiently to speak, I'm gonna jump ahead to item number te 3 2. We need 7.

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For quorum, don't you leave joe was at the same place. I have to.

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I think we have lost quorum, the clerk is going to call.

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For councilors, who may be in the building, while that happens,.

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While that happens, and I'm just going to I'd like to call and hopefully we'll.

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Have harms early by just to prepare we're gonna jump ahead to item thirty.

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Two point: three: seven impose operating conditions to a boulevard cafe, permit.

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Located at four for force, but dyna avenue, mervin blaha andrew blaha, what we need to have corn do. We have.

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Okay, marvin blaha andrew blaha are you here and my.

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Friend, hello, sorry, I just long long time friend who.

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Is here no one's here? Okay, if that's the case, why don't we just deal with it.

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Because it's are they conor? There are speakers here, but not here, okay, so I've.

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Just called for item 37, let's just deal with it, because it's now before us how.

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Would you like to proceed counselor krusty's item counselor lane? Yes, thank.

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You I have instructions from counselor cressie that he'd like to move the staff.

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Rack how this is written is it move amendment.

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That we need councillor davis back in the room counselor. Can you please take a.

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Seat in your chair, this is move amendment that recommends there's an.

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Operating condition on the okay I'm reading his sheet wrong. So okay motion.

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Is before us all those in favor of the motion, I would still it's a delete. The.

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Following from the recommendation and add the following: that's what I have.

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Yeah that what you got up there: okay, okay, all those in favor any opposed.

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Item as amended any pose that carries, thank you. We're just gonna jump back to.

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Te thirty two point: three six I've been notified, there are speakers. The item.

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Title is the refusal of a boulevard cafe, permit application located 267 college.

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Street we have speakers right good evening. I guess I was too excited when I.

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Screamed up my friend, I haven't seen this guy in a long time.

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Sorry, but I would not be prejudiced, I promise okay go ahead.

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Good evening would like to discuss the refusal of our patio license for our.

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Pizza nova located at 267 college street, we have been informed. No, I won't take.

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Up much time, but I wanted to note that we've been a member of that community.

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And in business there for well over 20 years and have had the patio for that.

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Entire time our franchise owner martin taurani, is here with me today, who is.

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This we'd like to just sort of strongly and.

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Respectfully request that you approve this patio for us, I'm not sure what the.

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Denial all of a sudden is about, but I'm hoping we can strain it out. We have.

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Although our legal address says to 6/7 college, our access point is actually.

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About 40 metres: oh sorry, forty feet, south of college on.

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Spadina, so we're not actually on college street are in and out is on spadina.

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Avenue just south of college and we depend heavenly heavenly on u of t.

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Business and so our sales per week will drop about thirty five percent once.

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School's out so that patio does help us mitigate sort of the summer. Months of u.

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Of t loss of sales, so it's very important to us to help you have that.

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Patio we've actually just purchased new furniture and umbrellas to enhance the.

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Look of our patio to attract more business, and I mean, apart from that.

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Martin, I think those are those are real reasons that we we would like to get our.

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Pad approved moving forward. Thank you very.

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Much are there any members with questions of this speaker, okay,.

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Councillor davis, so it was refused because it wasn't, it was blocking the.

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Sidewalk they didn't meet the two point, one. I believe two point, one three meter.

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So why can't you adjust it so that it will be too small yeah it was. It would.

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It would drastically reduce the size of the patio to a point where you basically.

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Have a tiny table in two chairs and it just. I we've had that patio for over 20.

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Years, the entire time that we've been in business at that corner, I believe we're.

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At one point, four: five, just under 1.5 meters, I think it says point nine, five.

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But I'll ask staff okay, any other members with questions of the.

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Speaker seeing none okay! Thank you very much members with questions. The staffs.

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Are councillor davis go ahead? Okay, so I.

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Am a member of do you have questions, there's ability committee and I you know.

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What you have fuller, why is it refused? Does it have to do with the separation.

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Is it the separation is through you, madam chair, it's the it's. The pedestrian.

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Clearance requirement of two point: one three right, so the aoda requires one.

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Point five: what is this? This is 0.95 and how long have we had point? One point.

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Five as the requirement we we've had two point, one one: we for a long time in in.

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The cafe bylaw, so that's what we go by, but the excitability is is one point.

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Five- and you have asked them over many years to bring it into compliance.

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You're saying we asked any applicant who doesn't meet the 2.13 to bring it under.

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Compliance but they can appeal our refusal and that's why we're here today.

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And when what did they first receive notice of the file here, I'm trying to go.

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By memory, it's right, you don't know, I'm.

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Trying to bring on d looks like there were two or three notices given the.

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Reason I'm asking is: there's been inconsistent enforcement all the time it.

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Seems were they given notice many years ago, I'm not sure about that. Counseling.

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Okay, sorry, ben okay! Maybe that doesn't get to respond when we're asking.

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Questions of staff- sorry, okay january 26 march 13, any other members with.

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Questions of staff, seeing none members to speak house, her layton, unfortunately,.

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Counselor chrissy asked me to take care to this item as well, and his.

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Instructions were to the move, the staff recommendations to deny yep. Okay, all.

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Those anybody else to speak to deny okay, so I'm just I'll speak very quickly. I am.

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Mindful of time the excessive the trial excessively advisory committee is very.

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Clear about their recommendations moving forward, especially in a growing city.

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Crowded sidewalks, in order to have safe passage of two people going in by.

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Direction on a sidewalk, the pedestrian clearway moving forward, they have.

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Requested has two point, one meters at the very minimum, although not official,.

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As of yet, but it really does speak to exactly the same rules that are already.

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In place by the by the flankers patio and guidelines so.

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I just want to clarify that, so we all know, that's that's the direction. The.

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City is heading in so motion before us to adopt the staff recommendations. All.

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Those in favor any opposed okay that carries. Thank you. You can.

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Serve a patio is just got me, no more narrow, okay, thank you. So we are now. I.

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Believe 47 had an eye, has speaker and, and I think, they're they're- okay, not to.

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Speak in letter, okay already spent the whole day with us, but they're not, and I.

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Have a motion on this item? We just want to be here to make sure that it clears.

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Okay, but they don't work but they're, not speaking okay. So let me just read it.

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Into the record, so it's te thirty two point: four seven.

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Fifty seven to seventy seven wait avenue the zoning amendment application.

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Preliminary report and I'd like to have the expanded notice and just make a note.

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That this is seven story: employment building timber in my area that we're.

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Very very excited to welcome jobs in our community, so we hope that this will be.

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The first of many of this, these projects, because we like building residential but.

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We love also people to work in our communities and being able to build.

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Employment spaces, so we're excited to going to the community with this.

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Community meeting and and have the project going going through so just.

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Wanted to make note of that, and if I could ask for your support for the.

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Expanded notice and that the preliminary report, thank you very much councillor by.

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Lao all those in favor any opposed item as amended, and he opposed that carries.

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Thank you. So I believe there are no more member. Are there no more public.

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Differences are there any members here in that are here to speak to any.

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Particular matter because if, when you're, because we're gonna go through things,.

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Very, very good: can I get it updated, 32? Okay, no, the only.

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Reason I held it was because the caster wasn't here, okay, so we are now going to.

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Begin we're gonna, go back to the 10 a.m. items and we're gonna blow through this.

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Very quickly, this is as efficient as it's going to be te 32.5. That's our.

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Bylaw, yes, twelve twelve volt counselor by loud.

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12:09 12 32, 1234, jensen, island 12:40, cj, 1250 and 1264 college street zoning.

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Amendment final report number 5. How would you like to proceed odd to approve.

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Recommendations: okay, thank you all, those in favor any opposed that carries. Thank.

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You te 32.3, one reef, which I think we just.

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Go with, we did three one worth three two. We did three one. Yes, sorry and so three.

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Two did we do three? Okay, I'm relying on you here. Thirty thirty, two point.

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Three: two refusal of a boulevard cafe permit application located six six, nine.

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College street ward 19: I have a motion to approve with a condition around.

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Windows and doors and live music all those in favor any opposed.

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That carries. Thank you, te thirty two point. Three three refusal boulevard cafe.

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Permit application located 696 college street.

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Roxton road flank accord. Nineteen I have a motion to approve with the following.

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Conditions, okay are on time and noise and all the stuff that we normally put.

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In okay, all those in favor, okay, any opposed. I carry and I think item as.

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Amended all those in favor and opposed that carries. Thank you, te thirty, two.

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Point three: five impose operating conditions to boulevard cafe, permit.

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Located at three baldwin street or twenty, I think we missed 34 there.

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This is the arab society college as well. I apologize.

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T 32.3 for refusal of a boulevard cafe permit application located 890 college.

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Street delaware avenue flanca ch. I have some operating conditions in a motion to.

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Approve the patio motion on the screen, please: okay, all those in favor any.

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Opposed item as amended any posts that carries. Thank you now we're at three.

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Five impose operating conditions to a boulevard cafe, permit located three.

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Baldwin street councillor layton, yes, the instructions from the councillor was to.

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Move the staff recommendations and they had some conditions to approve okay, so.

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Removing a conditions, first, are there conditions conditions in a staff report.

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It's already inside the safran yeah, okay, so we're just moving the recommendation.

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Staff- rex, all those in favor any opposed that carries. Thank you, te thirty, two.

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Point three: three: eight refusal boulevard cafe: permit application with.

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Dec, local, okay de for fifteen spadina, road, lonsdale road, blanket or 22. I.

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Believe councillor mallow would like to see this application approved so just.

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Put that on the screen, yes- and this is a second cup folks- so any all those in.

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Favor any posts carry thank you. We now move to t thirty two point: five, eight.

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Dufferin street, from dundas street west to bloor street west extended peak.

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Parking period, regulations, ward, eighteen councillor by lao- we are just deferring.

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That to june the deferral request to june.

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Okay, not a problem. What we are an item number 58 in my apologies, clerk, okay,.

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58, please all those in favor of the deferral any opposed that carry ve 32.6.

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For traffic control signals college street at half block street rush home.

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Park crescent and college street at gladstone avenue counselor by lau, move.

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Staff recommendations all those in favor any opposed, carry t 32.6, 8 traffic.

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Calming speed, hums mcauley avenue counselor by lau move alternate.

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Recommendations there you go all those in favor any opposed that carries t.

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Thirty two point: six: nine traffic calming speed, hums brusett avenue.

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Councillor by lao this is 69. Is this a.

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This is motions to approve. Do we need to show anything on the screen? Okay, great.

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All those in favor any opposed that carries adopted sorry.

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Te thirty two point: seven one traffic calming speed, hums hanson street.

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Councillor mcmahon, I already did that this morning I had a little nice speech.

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About that, remember sorry yeah you you can you, can you.

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Kindly move it again: okay, sure I won't do the speech again, but move.

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Alternate recommendations and hopefully we'll get the warrant switch. Hey all.

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Those in favor any opposed that carries. Thank you t thirty, two.

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Point: seven: seven endorsement of events for liquor licensing purposes. I don't.

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Believe there anymore, I have a motion on that: one: okay, the councillor layton.

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Story- and this was just to take the week days away from north by northeast at a.

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Location, that's in an residential neighborhood, but they'll will permit on.

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Weekends: okay, all those in favor any opposed item as amended any opposed that.

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Carries t thirty two point: eight zero parking amendments for brock avenue.

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Counselor by allow approve recommendations on the letter. Okay, all.

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Those in favor any opposed carried t. Thirty, two point: eight one speed humps.

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Insulation on brock avenue, dundas street west to florence street counselor by lao.

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Groove recommendations on the letters all those in favor any opposed that.

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Carries te thirty two point: eight two accessible loading zone requests in the.

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North side of college street between a point of seventy seven meters west, have.

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Done dufferin street and a point of eleven meters further west.

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Councillor by lao approved recommendations on the letter. Okay, all.

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Those in favor any opposed carried te. Thirty two point: eight three.

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Parking amendments for ostler street dupont street with caribou avenue.

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Councillor by lao approved recommendations in the letter. Okay, all.

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Those in favor and the oppose that carries thank you. T.

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Thirty two point: eight for reopening of item te, 31.9 sixth, title parking.

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Amendments on sheridan avenue, between dundas street west and college street.

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Councillor by lao, I think we have to reopen it first, move to reopen yeah and.

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All those in favor of the recommendations before us now correct.

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Yep that carries all those in favor any opposed kerry. Thank you to you. Thirty.

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Two point: eight five parking amendment for sudbury street.

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To approve recommendations on the letter, all those in favor any opposed carried.

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T30 2.86 reducing the speed limit on dover court road dundas street west to.

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Queen street west ward 1819 recommendations in the letter. Okay, all.

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Those in favor any opposed married te. Thirty two point: eight nine.

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Expanding permit parking on riverdale app and you, okay, all those in favor and.

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A poll was carried te, thirty, two point: nine: zero traffic safety on riverdale.

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Pape to kiss wic all those in favor and he opposed carried t thirty two point.

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Nine one pain display on eastern avenue, okay.

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All those in favor any opposed carried t 32.9, 262, chester hill road file, number a.

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One three: five: six / 170. Why 429? I will move the recommendations in the letter.

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Any opposed carried te. Thirty two point: nine three.

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Potential heritage properties at 490, 492, 494, 496 and 500 college street and 307.

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309 and 311 palmerston boulevard, ward, 19 move the recommendations in the letter.

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All those in favor any opposed carried t thirty, two point: nine four.

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Appeal to toronto, local appeal body, t lab of minor variances of 16 york street.

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Ward 19 york street on what street york street not word 19. I think that's worth.

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2800, sorry, queens keys, yeah! No! Sorry we're on item number 94. I don't have the.

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Item we'll move the recommendations in the.

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Letter that is, war 20, it's actually war, 20, okay, recommendations in the letter.

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All those in favor any opposed carried te 30, 2.95 lane designation.

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Cleans he east at yonge street war 28. That would be me.

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Move approval, please all those in favor and he opposed carried t thirty. Two.

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Point: nine six, j, mcpherson green and the relocation of the enbridge gas.

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Distribution district station for twenty seven, I would move the recommendation.

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Than the letter, all those in favor any opposed carried t te. Thirty two point.

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Nine seven guide rail at the northwest corner the curve at o'connor drive at.

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Bravo avenue or twenty nine. I will move the recommendations in the letter. All.

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Those in favor any opposed carried te. Thirty, two point: nine eight college.

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Street planning study rush home road to lansdowne, avenue, ward, eighteen.

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Recommendations on the letter was in favor any opposed.

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Carried, madam, madam speaker, those are the only two okay. So, madam speaker, I.

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Give me one: second: we've dealt with five for about 23 item.

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Number: twenty thirty two point: two three intention to designate intention to des.

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In the under part for section 29 of the ontario heritage, act and authority to.

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Enter into a heritage, eastman agreement, fifty king street east war, twenty-eight.

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Thank you, move staff recommendations, all those in favor any opposed carried.

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I believe that brings us to nothing. Actually, you have a request to reopen an.

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Item thirty two point: six nine actually did a mistake. I would like to refer that.

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To the june council 32 six motion to reopen te thirty-two point: six, nine.

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Traffic calming speed, hums reset avenue motion to reopen and the firt in june.

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Motion to defer until june, because we've got nothing to do in june, all those in.

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Favor, okay, any opposed carry okay, bill's done got the general toronto east york.

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Community council passing declares bylaws bills: five, five, seven, two five.

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Seven: zero five, seven six, two five: two: seven: eight and five: eight zero: two five.

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Nine five prepared for the may 2nd 2018 meeting 32. Thank you very much.

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And then counselor? Oh sorry, um all those in favor any opposed carrie councillor.

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Lane at the toronto and easter community council pass and declare as a bylaw.

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Confer tory bill to confirm the legislative proceedings in toronto and easter community council acting on a delegated authority of meeting 32 inmate.

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Second, 2018, all those in favor opposed carried. We want to thank everybody.

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Especially the clerk's they received make over two hundred and thirty pieces.

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Of communications, which they all had to log, and we all had to read, which is good.

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But thank you very much and I want to thank the members who actually stayed.

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And I know many of you had know many of you had obligations, including myself, but.

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Thank you, yep we're all late.