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Toronto and East York Community Council, meeting 22, January 12, 2021
Agenda and background materials:
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A
A
Today's
meeting
is
being
held
with
members
of
council
participating
both
in
person
and
by
video
conference
city
staff
are
also
connected
to
the
meeting
by
video
conference.
As
city
hall
remains
closed,
the
public
continue
to
participate
electronically
and
can
watch
the
meeting
streaming
live
on
youtube
at
youtube.com
toronto
city.
Council
live.
A
I
ask
everyone
with
their
patience
with
any
delays
and
technical
issues
and
members
please
be
aware,
because
of
the
severity
of
the
the
pandemic.
Right
now
we
are
operating
with
only
myself
and
two
clerks
present
at
the
meeting.
Everyone
else
is
virtual,
so
it
it
will
be
potentially
even
more
clunky
than
we're
used
to
the
clerk's
staff
have
connected
all
registered
speakers
to
the
meeting
by
audio.
A
A
I
would
like
to
remind
staff
to
keep
their
microphones
muted
and
their
videos
turned
off
unless
they
need
to
answer
questions
or
speak
to
the
committee.
This
will
make
it
easier
for
me
as
chair
and
for
those
watching
on
youtube
to
observe
members
as
they
participate
in
the
debate
and
vote
on
items
for
those
members
joining
remotely.
Please
keep
your
microphones
muted
and
wish
you,
unless
you
wish
to
question
staff
or
speak
to
an
item
and
ensure
that
your
video
remains
on
as
part
of
each
agenda
item.
A
A
A
A
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
declare
an
interest
on
an
item
and
that
is
item
number
te.
22.20
realignment
of
permanent
parking.
A
Area
bradford,
could
you
move
your
microphone
closer.
B
Yes,
just
saying
mr
chair
I'd
like
to
declare
an
interest
on
22.20,
it's
the
realignment
of
permit
parking
area
8d
to
exclude
the
development
located
at
1327
1339,
queen
street
east.
The
nature
of
my
interest
is
that
my
partner
is
a
planner
on
this
file
and
I've
submitted
all
the
paperwork.
The
conflict
of
interest
forms
on
the
side
of
the
clerks.
A
A
Okay
members,
we
have,
I
believe,
it's
25
items
on
the
agenda
today
or
we're
going
to
have
some
additional
business
as
well.
We
are
going
to
begin
our
agenda
run
down
at
item
number
22.10,
appointments
to
business
improvement,
areas,
boards
of
management,
counselor
cressie,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
te
22.11
1405,
one
four,
zero,
seven.
A
C
I
can
move
the
staff
recommendations.
Thank
you.
D
A
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
Good
morning
councillors
I'd
like
to
move
the
staff
recommendations.
Please.
A
F
Lee
yeah,
yes,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
I
would
just
I
I
hope
my
staff
has
sent
the
motion
of
deferral.
We
still
don't
have
a
petition
from
the
residents
to
justify
the
poll.
D
One
in
february.
A
D
A
A
That's
quite
helpful:
okay,
councillor
bradford,
if
you
could
step
away
for
a
moment.
D
A
D
Yes,
and
if
that
could
be
shown,
please
that
motion,
because
this
is
actually
where
city
legal
have
now
drafted
that,
because
this
wasn't
my
ward
previously-
and
this
wasn't
done
so
I'm
having
to
do
this
after,
but
everyone
needs
to
know
there-
I
don't
think
I've
never
approved
a
condominium
that
didn't
have
the
parking
prescribed
so
that
it's
not
overwhelming
the
neighborhood.
So
this
is
what's
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'd
like
to
record
it
vote.
A
Okay,
taking
it
all
as
a
package,
I'm
gonna
have
a
recorded
vote.
All
those
in
favor
just
wait
for
my
screen:
counselor
fletcher,
counselor,
bylaw,
counselor,
juan
tam
counselor
cressie,
stop
yawning
counselor,
matlow
and
counselor
layton,
okay
and
myself
in
the
chair.
If
we
could
alert
councillor
bradford
that
he
can
rejoin
us.
F
A
A
Okay,
so
members,
I'm
told
that
there
was
an
error
that
item
22
was
new
business.
So
if
I
could
have
a
motion
to
introduce
items
22
through
28.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
G
I've
been
requested
by
staff
to
do
so,
given
the
need
for
public
notice,
so.
A
E
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
The
motion
is
asking
for
the
fro
to
be
to
be
moved
to
february
meeting
the
tycc.
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
referring
to
february
opposed
that
carries
item
te,
22.4,
53,
55
and
95
lakeshore
boulevard,
east
1533
and
43
freeland
street
and
2
and
15
cooper
street
subdivision
application
final
report.
I
have
a
deputy
listed
and
also
be
aware
that
there's
a
an
item,
a
we'll
take,
do
we
take
them
together.
A
H
C
A
We're
not
currently
at
that
item
so
we'll
come
back
to
you
returning
to
item
4
one
moment,
please,
we
have
four
and
four
a
do.
We
take
them
together
because
they're
two
different,
oh,
it's,
okay,.
A
Okay,
no,
I
see
okay,
so
we
have
one
deputent
listed
judy
terzigny
from
menkes
members.
I
will
ask
you
to
please
note
that
there's
a
supplementary
report
attached
to
this
item
as
well
is
jude
with
us.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
Jude
I'm
going
to
give
you
five
minutes.
C
A
C
I
Obviously,
work
for
mancus
developments
and
and
obviously
have
been
working
with
staff
tirelessly.
C
For
several
years
now
to
bring
this
process
to
coalition,
so
I'm
just,
we
obviously
have
read
the
staff
report
and
are
just
here
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Oh,
hang
on,
I
haven't,
got
quorum,
visible,
counselor
leighton.
Did
you
just
step
out
for
one
second
councillor
bradford
councillor,
matt,
lowe,
there's
councillor
bradford,
okay
and
councillor
lee?
Thank
you.
I
need
to
be
able
to
see
quorum.
Okay,
were
there
any
questions
for
the
deputy?
No
seeing
none.
Okay!
A
Are
there
any
questions
of
staff?
No
seeing
none.
Okay,
counselor
cressie
had
to
step
out
for
a
minute,
so
I'm
gonna
hold
the
vote
on
this
item.
I
hope
he
says
he
should
be
back
in
about
20
minutes
and
so
we'll
hold
the
vote
on
this
item.
For
now,.
A
Oh,
how
do
I
want
to
do
this?
The
next
item
is
also
counselor
cressie's.
There
is
a
deputy,
but
I
I'd
rather
that
he
were
able
to
hear
the
deputy.
So
we're
going
to
go
to
item
te,
22.6
request
for
fence
exemption
at
310,
dundas
street
east.
C
I
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
council
may
have,
as
well
as
that
I've
been
working
with
toronto
community
housing
to
put
together
a
proposed
fence
for
the
property
of
310
dundas
street
east,
just
to
enhance
the
security
of
the
property
and
assist
the
ground
level,
retail,
with
maintaining
secure
and
safe
property
standards.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
questions
of
the
deputy,
seeing
none
are
there
questions
that
oh
counselor
10?
Do
you
have
a
question.
E
Yeah,
just
very
yes,
just
very
quickly
carly.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
today,
and
I
appreciate
that
you
have
been
working
hard
at
designing
a
fence
for
this
property
just
to
clarify,
although
I
think
it's
it
is
described
in
the
report,
but
you
can
go
into
further
detail
using
your
eloquent
architectural
language.
Can
you
just
describe
the
materiality
of
the
of
the
fence
because
I
think
fences
can
be
functional,
but
they
should
also
be
beautiful
and
then,
and
in
some
cases
they
can
be
sculptural
and
beautiful.
C
C
It
will
be
a
little
bit
taller
than
the
adjacent
property
to
the
north
of
310
downtown
street
east,
but
it
will
match
that
sort
of
materiality
and
aesthetic.
We
are
doing
this
in
concert
with
a
future
architectural
facade
update
to
the
building
that
you
know.
That
timeline
is
to
be
determined.
However,
the
census
is
meant
to
sort
of
blend
in
with
the
architectural
character
of
the
neighborhood,
while
still
being
quite
functional.
You
know
preventing
climbing
and
litter
accumulation
and
other
safety
concerns.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
of
the
deputy,
no
seeing
none
carly.
Thank
you
for
your
assistance
today.
Are
there
any
questions
of
staff?
No
counselor,
wong
tam.
E
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
move
staff
recommendation
number
two,
and
that
is
to
grant
the
fence
exemption.
I
want
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
for
producing
this
report.
That's
before
us
today,
but
I
also
like
to
thank
staff
in
my
own
office,
as
well
as
the
community
stakeholders
who
have
been
with
us
on
several
community
safety
walks.
We
recognize
that
the
challenges
in
the
area
are
are
such
that
are
not
going
to
be
resolved
tomorrow.
E
However,
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
ensure
that
any
type
of
physical
enhancements
to
any
public
buildings
and
that's
what
this
is.
This
is
a
tchc
senior
facility
senior
building.
What
we
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
those
physical
enhancements
are
going
to
be,
of
course,
complementary
to
the
existing
architecture,
complementary
to
the
existing
streetscape
design,
as
well
as,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned
functional,
and
it
should
be
said
that
that
my
staff
have
worked
incredibly
hard
with
both
tchc,
as
well
as
the
cabbagetown
self-residence
association.
E
How
can
we
ensure
public
safety
while
being
able
to
balance
the
needs
of
those
who
are,
of
course
living
at
risk?
And
I
think
that
this
is
a
elegant
proposal
and
I
recognize
that
tchc
is
also
working
with
my
office
and
my
team
as
we
rethink
the
entire
corner,
and
this
of
course
includes
all
of
the
tchc
buildings
within
the
area,
but
certainly
around
sherburne
and
dundas.
We
have
significant
work,
that's
going
to
be
coming
forward
very
shortly,
and
I
want
to
thank
counselor
bilal.
E
I
know
that
she's,
aware
of
the
conversations
we've
had
with
the
tchc
staff
on
how
to
revitalize
the
entire
block,
starting
right
there
at
sherburne
and
dundas,
and
of
course
this
is
very
exciting
work,
but
this
is
still
an
interim
step
to
what
will
be
a
longer
vision
of
revitalizing,
the
area
which
we
hope
to
be
doing
with
staff
with
reports
coming
back
very
shortly.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
and
and
special
thanks
to
tyler
johnson
in
my
office.
Who've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
the
community
and
zara
manas.
E
A
H
Excellent
and
good
morning,
counselors
and
staff.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
I'll
kind
of
keep.
My
comments
very
brief
just,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
voice
my
request,
so
my
family
of
four,
we
live
at
84
meddling
president
we're
in
ward
4
or
a
semi-detached
home
that
we
bought
close
to
15
years
ago.
H
Over
the
years
we've
made
a
numerous
environmental
upgrades
to
the
house.
I
have
one
of
the
first
cool
roofs
that
was
installed
in
the
high
park
area.
On
my
home,
I
converted
my
front
lawn
I
to
a
xeriscape
garden.
I've
removed
the
concrete
pad
in
the
back
of
my
yard
to
make
it
impervious
materials.
I
planted
a
city
street
tree.
H
H
It
is
a
norway,
spruce
that
is
located
in
the
backyard
of
my
property
and
for
too
many
years
now
this
bruce
has
been
causing
financial
damages
and
severely
restricted
the
use
of
our
backyard
living
space,
and
it's
now
impacting
the
well-being
of
my
children
and
my
neighbors,
which
was
identified.
This
summer,
before
I
speak
just
quickly,
my
the
tree,
as
I
mentioned,
is
in
the
backyard.
My
backyard
is
very
small.
It's
only
about
12
by
20
feet
and
the
canopy
of
this
norway
spruce
covers
approximately
about
50
percent
of
the
backyard.
H
So
I
have
four
points
I
just
want
to
make
quickly
about
why
I
need
to
request
replacement
of
this
tree.
The
roots
are
currently
causing
extensive
property
damage
to
my
neighbor's
rear
driveway
at
86
meddling
crescent,
and
I
have
to
replace.
I
have
to
fix
this
driveway
for
my
neighbors,
but
we
can
on.
We
can't
undertake
this
project.
Its
heat
tree
problem
is
addressed
also.
Every
year
the
tree
produces
a
large
cone
set.
I
estimate
approximately
about
a
thousand
cones
are
produced
across
the
top
third
of
this
tree.
H
The
cones
are
currently
producing
a
massive
and
they've
been
doing
this
actually
for
years,
a
massive
amount
of
sap.
This
sap
is
permanently
damaging,
any
furniture
that
you
put
out
in
the
backyard.
Any
fixtures
toys
have
been
damaged
and
it
is
impacting
vehicles
in
my
property
and
the
surrounding
to
my
surrounding
neighbors.
H
So
this
is
creating
some
conflicts,
as
was
identified
this
summer
when
I
spoke
to
forestry
and
it's
presenting
the
last
couple
years,
financial
damages
to
me
because
I
have
to
rectify
the
sap
damages
occurring
to
my
neighbor's
properties
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
small
backyard,
the
sap
has
basically
made
most
of
my
backyard
completely
unusable
to
my
young
children
and
dog
sap
gets
in
their
clothing.
It
gets
on
their
toys,
it
gets
in
their
hair
and
fur.
H
Basically,
it's
not
a
safe
environment
where
they
can
play,
and
this
was
especially
evident
and
important
this
past
summer,
given
our
covid
pandemic,
I
didn't
really
have
anywhere
else
to
put
my
children
because
of
the
sap
last
I've
done
everything
I
can,
but
I
can't
mitigate
the
damages.
The
sap
is
causing
it's
impossible
for
a
spruce
and
I
hope
forestry
or
anybody
could
back
me
up
and
you
just
can't
trim
and
maintain
evergreens.
H
I
wish
you
could
you
just
can't,
so
it's
just
not
economically
feasible
or
prudent
to
try
to
rectify
this
sap
situation.
I
can't
cover
my
property.
I
can't
cover
my
neighbor's
property
to
protect
them
from
the
sap,
and
I
should
note
the
sap
issue
is
basically
goes
on
from
may
into
september.
H
So
what
I'm
coming
to
you?
I
just
I
want
to
replace
this
norway
spruce.
I
want
to
replace
it
with
a
native
coniferous
tree.
I've
selected
a
freeman
maple.
I've
shared
these
details
with
my
neighbors.
I
have
their
approvals.
There's
no
objections
to
planting
this
tree
and
in
the
proposed
location,
and
just
to
repeat
I
I
wanna
this
is
not
a
frivolous
request.
I'm
a
strong
advocate
for
trees
for
my
work
as
an
environmental
planner
in
my
personal
life
I
fully
understand
and
support
the
tree
bylaw
for
the
city
of
toronto.
H
I
just
asking,
I
think,
exceptions
need
to
be
made.
This
tree
is
negatively
impacting
my
family
and
my
neighbors.
It's
not
suitable
for
this
dense
urban
environment.
It
definitely
doesn't
belong
in
this
location,
so
I
hope
you'll
give
a
thoughtful
consideration
to
my
request,
we're
desperate
to
replace
this
tree
and
remedy
this
difficult
situation.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay,
there
are
no
other
deputies.
I
I
have
a
question
of
urban
forestry
staff.
Who
do
we
have
here
from
urban.
C
A
Hi
nick
so
listening
to
the
deputy,
I
thought
I
heard
what
I
thought
were
two
issues.
One
issue
was
the
the
cones
and
the
sap,
and
the
other
issue
was
damage
from
the
roots.
Let's
take
them
one
at
a
time.
A
Does
our
tree
bylaw
say
that
you
know
if
a
tree
is
dropping
leaves
or
needles
or
fruit
or
sap
or
whatever,
that
that
is
a
reason
to
remove
the
tree.
A
Okay,
secondly,
there
was
a
an
assertion
made
that
the
roots
are
causing
damage.
Could
you
did
you?
Did
staff
go
and
investigate
this.
C
So
yeah
we
had
staff
attend
the
site.
C
We
did
observe
some
heaving
of
of
asphalt,
a
full
driveway
that,
in
our
view,
could
be
remedied
through
a
number
of
different
means
that
the
roots,
if
not
too
big,
could
be
pruned
and
literally
are
resurfaced
under
certain
circumstances,
as
you
can
mitigate
the
root
by
shaving
down
a
a
small
portion
of
the
diameter
of
the
root
again
to
allow
for
the
resurfacing
of
the
driveway,
I
think
you
could
top
up
the
remove
the
existing
actual
driveway
top
up
with
additional
base
material.
C
A
Okay-
and
you
observed
the
tree-
is
healthy
and
doing
well
and
expected
to
live.
A
A
A
All
trees
create
these
kinds
of
issues
and
if
we
start
making
exemptions
based
on
that,
then
we
basically
throw
out
the
tree
bylaw
and
we
have
no
protection.
Similarly,
there
is
a
way
to
mitigate
the
issues
caused
by
the
roots.
That
sounds
reasonable
to
me,
so,
based
on
that
I'll
be
accepting
the
staff
advice,
moving
the
staff
advice,
which
is
to
deny
the
tree
removal
permit
all
those
in
favor.
A
C
Thank
you
and
good
morning
to
everyone,
so
primarily
I'm
here
just
to
answer
any
questions
that
might
arise.
Our
application
is
requesting
that
consideration
to
demolish
an
existing
building
at
3434
dundas
runnymede
healthcare
is
a
member
of
the
community
and
making
a
positive
contribution
to
the
neighborhood,
and
we
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
C
C
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
when,
when
you
say
you
would.
A
H
A
C
Everyone
yeah
jimmy
lk
with
innovia
corp
we're
project
managers
for
running
meet
healthcare
on
a
couple
of
projects,
including
this
one,
and
I
think
george's
covers
the
the
topic
fairly.
Well
again.
If
there
were
additional
questions,
I
would
I'd
be
helpful
to
answer
them.
I
did
just
want
to
reiterate
that
runnymede
has
been
a
part
of
the
community
for
a
very
long
time.
The
hospital
started
operating
from
their
site
at
running,
beaten,
dundas
in
1945.
C
C
It
is,
it
is
also
built
at
the
runaway
healthcare
site
at
runny,
beaten
dundas,
which
is
just
down
the
street
from
this
one.
That
also
is
a
high
quality
facility,
with
with
publicly
accessible
open
space,
this
new
clinic
that's
being
proposed
at
3434
dundas
you,
you
would
just
look
to
the
things
that
runnymede's
been
doing
in
the
neighborhood
to
get
a
sense
of
what
to
expect
there
as
well.
I
just
want
to
assure
everyone
that
we
don't
intend
to
leave
it
as
a
vacant
lot.
C
There
are
plans
underway,
we're
working
on
programming
and,
of
course,
making
sure
that
necessary
funding
is
available.
All
of
that
takes
a
bit
of
time.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
distracting
the
hospital's
resources
at
this
time.
If
we
can
demolish
the
site
and
clean
it
up
and
have
it
presentable
in
the
community,
that's
just
you
know
less
less
of
a
distraction
for
the
hospital.
While
we
work
on
future
plans
for
the
clinic,
that's
all
I've
had
to
say.
Okay.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
of
jim,
seeing
none
any
questions
of
staff?
No,
I'm
going
to
move
option
two,
which
is
to
approve
the
application,
and
you
can
see
if
we
could.
No
that's
not
option
two
there.
Oh
yes,
it
is
okay.
There
we
go,
it's
been
renumbered
as
one
so
I'm
gonna
move
this
motion.
That's
on
the
screens
now,
members.
Let
me
just
take
a
look.
A
A
No,
no,
that's!
Fine!
That's
fine!
I
just
wanted
to
finish
off
your
your
items,
so
on
te
22.4,
which
is
lakeshore
friedland
cooper,
we
had
heard
all
the
deputies
and
done
any
questions.
So
do
you
want
to
just
move
that
or
do
you
have
any
emotions?
Yes,.
A
Okay,
are
there
recommendations
in
the
supplementary,
no
just
the
stock
recommendations,
all
those
in
favor
and
to
receive
the
supplementary
all
those
in
favor
oppose
carried.
Okay,
that'll
take
us
to
item
22.5,
which
is
137
young
street
draft
plan
of
subdivision
final
report.
I
have
a
deputy
enlisted
jason
park.
A
Yes,
yes,
mr
chairman
hi
jason.
So
I'm
gonna
give
you
five
minutes
to
share
your
wisdom
with
us
start
whenever
you're
ready.
H
A
H
This
is
one
of
the
the
many
projects
that.
C
Former
deputy
mayor
mcconnell
helped
to
champion
and
lead
with
a
whole
series
of
city
building
elements
contained
in
the
one
young
precinct,
and
so
I'm
happy
to
move
the
recommendations
in
front
of
us.
A
C
Thank
you
just
to
confirm
with
steph,
so
this
is
a
preliminary
report
for
the
application
that
we
received
and
you've
identified
a
list
of
issues
that
we
have
with
the
application
correct.
C
Okay,
can
you
can
you
expand
on
some
of
the
issues
that
you've
identified.
C
C
Are
the
key
issues
at
this
point?
Okay,
and
so
what
you're
saying
at
in
the
report
is
that,
based
on
this
issues
and
the
application
as
it
is
today
is
not
supportable
by
planning.
Is
that
correct.
C
So
your
this
report
is
asking
us
to
have
a
community
meeting
and
to
initiate
this
process
to
see
if
we
can
shape
this
application
in
a
different
way
to
become
a
you
know,
to
be
considered
by
council
in
a
positive
light.
But
as
it
stands
today
it
if
there's
no
changes,
your
recommendation
would
be
to
not
support
the
application.
C
Correct,
that's
correct,
okay,
but
you
you
do
recognize
that
this
is
an
area
that
is
under
a
lot
of
development
pressure
very
well
served
by
transit,
we're
currently
undergoing
a
planning
study
in
the
area,
so
we're
working
with
the
community
because
we
do
understand
the
development
and
the
changes
that
are
coming.
But
these
changes
need
to
to
respond
to
our
official
plan
and
to
good
planning
principles
correct.
C
Absolutely.
The
the
study
you
mentioned
counselor
is
a
critical
part
of
responding
to
development
applications
in
the
area,
including
this
application
staff,
certainly
acknowledge
that
the
the
site
is
a
appropriate
location
for
a
substantial
redevelopment.
C
Okay,
thank
you
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
community
and
planning
to
see
if
we
can
do
anything
with
this,
but
I
fully
agree
with
with
the
and
mr
chair,
I'm
now
in
my
speaking
remarks.
If
you
don't
mind,
this
is
I'm
already
going
into
my.
A
C
I
I
I
do
want
to
emphasize
the
I
think,
the
community
and
and
myself
agree
with
the
points
that
planning
raises.
I
think
that
everybody
understands
this
is
this
is
an
area
under
a
lot
of
development
pressure
and
we
do
expect
development
in
the
area,
but
there
are
serious
concerns
with
this
application
and,
and
at
at
this
point
in
time,
there's
def.
It's
definitely
something
that
we
would
not
be
able
to
support.
C
Obviously,
there's
this
is
the
beginning
of
the
process
for
this
application
and
there'll
be
this
community
meeting
that
staff
is
asking
for
in
here
and
and
and
a
few
others
we're
hoping
that
the
developer
is
open
to
listen
to
the
community,
to
change
its
application
to
considerably
alter
what
is
in
front
of
us
today.
That's
how
I
think
the
the
community
is
approaching
this,
but
at
this
point
in
time
I
think
that
we
want
to
endorse
staff's
list
of
concerns
and
and
endorse
its
position.
A
Thank
you
very
much
any
any
questions
of
the
mover.
Seeing
none
anyone
else
to
speak.
No,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
okay.
Now
we
will
go
to
te
22.9
non-residential
demolition
application,
439
bond
road.
I
have
one
deputy
enlisted:
roman
roman.
Are
you
with
us
good
morning,
mr
chair?
I
am
hi
roman,
so
I'm
going
to
give
you
five
minutes.
Please
start
whenever
you're
ready.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll,
be
very
brief.
My
name
is
roman
sopp,
I'm
a
planner
with
kfa,
architects
and
planners.
We
represent
the
landowner
who
is
proposing
to
redevelop
the
property
with
eight
new
dwellings.
C
We
have
reviewed
the
the
staff
report,
that
is,
that's
been
provided
to
council
and
we
we
have
that
communications
with
councilor
matlow's
office
and
we
we
respectfully
request
that
motion
or
recommendation
number
three
be
approved,
which
recommends
that
the
application
be
approved
or
the
demolition
be
approved
without
any
conditions
we
have
committed
or
the
owner
has
committed
to
providing
the
counselor's
office
with
updates
on
a
monthly
basis
regarding
the
status
of
securing
building
permits
and
any
other
major
milestones
in
the
project,
and
should
we
not
be
able
to
secure
those
permits
within
a
year
we
are
committed
to
to
backfilling
the
site
and
maintaining
it
in
good
order.
I
A
A
A
Okay,
I
don't
we,
I
don't
believe
robert's
with
us,
but
we
don't
members.
Sorry.
This
may
shock
you
at
10
30,
but
this
is
our
last
item
so
we're
just
going
to
have
to
proceed
anyway.
Are
there
any
questions
of
staff,
counselor
perks?
The
speaker
has
connected.
C
A
Okay,
just
just
connected
now.
Okay,
thank
you.
Robert
welcome
we're
going
to
give
you
five
minutes
as
soon
as
you're.
A
F
One
moment
here
I'm
trying
to
communicate
with
the
speaker.
A
A
C
A
I
Sorry
for
the
the
misstep
at
the
start
good
morning,
everyone
is
this
robert,
so
I'm
happy
to
hear
so.
Yes.
I
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone
I'm
happy
to
be
here
so
soon,
but
I'm
I'm
a
little
less
happy
to
be
speaking
on
this
issue
again,
I
made
a
submission
in
writing
to
the
committee,
which,
in
a
short
recap,
is
the
following.
I
Our
neighborhood,
harvard
village,
which
is
bloor
college
bathurst
in
spadina,
has
literally
no
obstructions
in
our
subways
of
over
200
light
posts.
I
think
there
was
one
that
encroaches
on
a
sidewalk
three-quarter
of
all
the
fire
hydrants.
I
There
are
two
fire
hydrants
our
site:
let's
obstruct
the
commercial
main
streets
that
you
clear
already
and
for
some
issues
that
require
time
and
time
again
we
would
say
the
following:
our
sidewalks
are
wide
enough
they're
wider
than
the
minimum
to
clear
that,
if
parked
cars,
which
is
really
an
obstruction-
and
I
I
don't
think
it
is-
but
if
there
are
concerns
about
that,
only
half
the
sides
of
our
street
there's
only
parking
on
one
side
of
the
street.
The
other
side
of
the
street
is
clear
of
vehicles.
I
I
included
a
picture,
though
that
shows
parking
typical
parking
in
the
winter
time,
which
has
people
parked
a
foot
or
18
inches
or
two
from
the
curb,
because
they
can't
get
any
closer,
showing
the
the
separation
from
vehicles
from
the
curb
on
the
sidewalk.
And
indeed,
if
it
persists
to
the
warrior
concern
that
we
suggest
a
bylaw
that
says
you
cannot
park
within
a
certain
distance
of
a
curb
to
allow
for
sidewalk
clearing,
as
opposed
to
the
summer
time
when
a
car
has
to
be
parked
within
a
certain
distance
occur.
I
So
that
problem
is
easily
easy
right.
So
I
I
I
I
don't
know
whether
our
situation
is
typical,
not
because
in
the
excluded
zone,
but
I
would,
I
would
add,
a
couple
of
things
that
aren't
in
my
report.
One
is
that,
even
with
the
expanded
pilot,
there
is
not
a
pilot
in
the
old
city
from
neighborhoods
or
what
is
in
teal
core.
I
So
I
hope
transportation
is
brought
enough
of
a
flavor
of
the
excluded
zone
to
actually
not
come
back
back
in
the
spring
and
say.
Oh
now,
we
need
to
learn
about
the
the
old
city,
the
old
downtown
neighborhoods,
if
the
other
neighborhoods
are
like
ours,
you're
incredible
problems,
but
we
don't
know,
and
we
were
disappointed
not
to
be
included
in
the
in
the
expanded
pilot
we
offered
to
be.
I
will
be
hosting
transportation
services
as
soon
as
I'm
out
of
isolation.
I
I
got
exposure,
I'm
well,
but
we'll
be
having
a
visit
together.
I
Sometime
soon,
I
hope,
but
my
last
comment-
and
I
missed
any
of
the
earlier
material-
would
be
to
the
report
that
I
read
earlier
that
was
filed
on
on
your
website-
that
again
reiterated
kind
of
the
the
story
line
from
transportation
services
was
that
they're
doing
the
pilot
and
they
will
report
further
in
the
spring
I
understood
when
they
learned
some
understood
city
council's
motion
was
to
come
to
this
committee
with
a
plan
on
how
they
would
do
the
full
clearing
of
sidewalks
next
year.
I
I
would
encourage
the
committee
to
ask
transportation
services
to
do
it
now.
That's
what
they
were
asked
to
do.
We
could
have
all
been.
We
could
have
all
received
the
same
report
from
taxpayers
and
services
in
december
that
was
filed
on
the
committee
site
for
this
meeting
in
december,
because
there
was
nothing
new
added
and
it
was
deferred
because
there
wasn't
enough
time
for
the
for
transportation
services
to
report
to
this
committee
I
was
a
retired.
I
I
hope
I'm
wrong.
As
I
said,
I'm
a
public
servant.
I
I
it's
usually
evident
when,
when
a
bureaucracy
is
doing
something
to
challenge
and
to
make
progress
and
accomplish
something
as
opposed
to
delaying
and
obfuscating,
I
fear
we're
seeing
the
latter
and
not
the
former.
I
hope
I'm
wrong.
I
That's
my
time.
That's
my
comments
for
today.
Thank
you
very
much
members.
Please
keep
well
be
careful
and
I'm
happy,
of
course,
to
answer
any
question.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
of
the
deputy,
seeing
none?
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
questions?
Thank
you.
E
Okay,
sure,
with
respect
to
the
pilot
project
and
the
pilot
area,
much
of
the
downtown
neighborhoods
are
not
included,
as
the
previous
speaker
has
just
spoken
about,
and
yet
I
see
that
many
of
our
downtown
areas
do
have
commercial
buildings
that
have
been
successfully
clearing
the
sidewalk
of
their
area.
So
therefore,
we
see
them
taking
their
snow
plows
out,
they've
got
a
maintenance,
crew
and
they've
somehow
successfully
used
mechanical
equipment
to
clear
their
sidewalks.
E
Why
is
it
that
the
city
of
toronto
is
not
able
to
clear
the
same
sidewalks
generally
the
same
sidewalk
widths
as
the
commercial
property
owners
in
the
core,
and
and
and
can
we
not
try
to
expand
the
pilot
project
this
year
to
do
what
the
commercial
property
owners
are
already
doing
on
the
same
sidewalk
conditions.
J
Through
the
chair,
this
is
vincent
frazier
from
transportation
services.
With
respect
to
the
counselors
questions,
I
can't
answer
how
the
commercial
establishments
that
the
council
references
have
been
clearing
their
snow.
I'm
not
aware
of
how
they've
been
doing
it.
I
don't
know
if
they've
been
using
actual
mechanical
means,
whether
it
be
a
snowblower
or
whether
it
be
an
actual
tractor
which
we
were
using.
So
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
commercial
establishment
that
the
counselor
references.
However,
I
can
say
this
with
respect
to
our
trial.
J
We
have
covered
the
areas
where
there
are
a
a
concentration
of
those
individuals
who
are
on
our
disabled
program,
so
that
was
one
of
the
criteria
that
we
selected
and
we
also
selected
areas
where,
in
fact,
we
do
know
there
are
obstacles.
There
are
encroachments,
there's
on-street
parking,
so
we
actually
selected
areas
that
have
significant
challenges
to
them
to
assess
the
feasibility
of
the
machine.
J
So
we
have
nine
machines.
Each
machine
can
handle
about,
as
I
said,
12
to
15
kilometers,
which
we
do
during
the
day,
and
we
believe
that
that
information
will
give
us
the
robust
analysis
that
we
need
that.
We
can
then
make
a
decision
to
counsel
or
recommendation
to
counsel.
I
just
want
to
say
one
more
thing
if
I
may,
if
I
may,
we
are
also
doing
an
inventory
of
all
the
kilometers
of
sidewalks
that
are
currently
not
receiving
mechanical
sidewalk
clearing.
J
So
the
thousand
to
thirteen
hundred
kilometers
of
sidewalks
that
currently
do
not
receive
mechanical
winter
service,
are
being
analyzed
or
being
assessed
and
put
into
a
database
so
that
we
totally
do
understand
what
are
the
issues
with
each
sidewalk,
whether
it
being
the
old
downtown
toronto
area,
whether
it
be
an
area
in
etobicoke
or
in
north
york?
We
are
undertaking
a
complete
inventory
of
every
sidewalk
and
trying
to
recognize
what.
In
fact,
the
challenges
are
with
those
specific
areas.
E
E
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
vince.
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
my
question
about
commercial
properties
and,
I
would
even
say
residential
properties.
That
means
condominiums
on
streets,
for
example
like
beverly
or
john
street,
which
I'm
very
familiar
with,
as
well
as
other
streets,
where
we
see
high-rise,
condominiums
or
mid-rise
condominiums,
which
are
residential,
but
they
are
sandwiched
right
against
neighborhoods
that
have
house
forms
on
the
same
street,
and
and
yet
we
see
those
buildings
clearing
the
snow
outside
of
their
condominiums,
not
with
the
shovel.
E
So
it's
not
manual
clearing,
but
they
have
snow
clearing
equipment
where
their
maintenance,
crews
will
come
up.
We
see
this
on
bay
street.
We
see
this
on
maitland.
We
see
this
on
homewood
just
about
everywhere.
You
can,
where
you
have
high-rise,
mid-rise
buildings,
sandwiched
between
low-rise
house
forms
and
they
are
managing
those
residential
and
commercial
buildings,
are
managing
to
clear
their
sidewalks
with
mechanical
equipment.
So
I'm
just
really
curious
to.
How
is
it
that
other
entities
can
do
that
work
manually
with
the
equipment
that
is
on
the
market
today
and
somehow
the
city
of
toronto?
J
It's
all
through
the
counselor
through
the
chair
to
the
counselor.
So
once
again
we
did
a
market
research
of
what
is
the
most
recent
tractor
mechanical
equipment,
because
that's
what
the
city
has
been
utilizing
with
respect
to
mechanical
sidewalk
clearing.
These
are
essentially
tractors
and
we
did
a
market
research
to
undertake
exactly
where
there
is
equipment
that
can
essentially
navigate
the
more
narrow
streets
where
we
currently
cannot
provide
mechanical
clearing
of
sidewalks.
So
we
specifically
are
looking
at
the
tractor
farm
of
equipment.
J
Having
said
that,
if
the
sidewalk
trials
equipment
that
we
are
using
does
not
still
be
able
to
navigate
some
of
the
narrow
areas
of
the
city,
then
we
will
come
back
to
council
committee
and
council
and
essentially
provide
other
suggestions,
whether
it
be
manual
clearing
whether
it
be
some
other
form
of
a
machine.
J
But
right
now
the
trial
is
to
utilize
tractors
type
equipment
which
we
have
been
using
across
the
city
to
mechanically
clear
sidewalks,
essentially
to
simulate
the
experience
that
other
parts
of
the
city
do
receive.
Mechanical
clearing
we
haven't
been
using
snow
blowers
or
or
other
forms
of
mechanical
clearing.
It's
strictly
to
look
at
detractors
and
that's
what
we'll
come
back
to
committee
and
council
to
see
if,
in
fact,
that
is
a
viable
option
or
whether
we
should
consider
some
other
form
of
mechanical
clearing.
Thank.
E
Yeah,
can
I
ask
one
more
question,
mr
chair,
of
course
I'll
try
to
do
it
very
quickly,
vincent,
even
though
the
clock
is
not
running,
I
just
want
to
be
respectful
of
this
community
council's
time.
If,
if
you
can,
if,
if
right
now,
you
are
saying
that
there
is
no
mechanical
option
on
the
marketplace
for
more
narrow
sidewalks,
and
yet
I
see
property
owners
with
their
equipment,
clearing
sidewalks
and
I
used
to
represent
rosedale
and
summer
hill
and
and
they
some
some
of
these
communities,
have
very
narrow
sidewalks.
E
Some
of
them
don't
even
have
any
sidewalks,
but
they
have
somehow
managed
to
hire
landscaping.
Snow
removal,
companies
that
provide
some
type
of
maintenance,
because
not
everybody's
going
out
there
with
their
with
their
shovels,
but
they
have
been
able
to
contract
somebody
to
clear
their
sidewalks
because
I
assure
you
they're
not
doing
it
themselves,
but
but
they
use
mechanical
equipment
on
the
marketplace.
So
I
guess
my
question
to
you
is:
how
is
it
that
some
can
do
it?
Some
cannot
meaning
the
private
property
owners.
E
Some
of
them
can
do
it,
provide
the
mechanical
clearing
or
through
a
third-party
company.
The
city
cannot
and
then
what
do
you
plan
to
do
with
this
information
that
you're
collecting
and
the
reason
being
is
because
if
there
is
no
viable
option
according
to
your
research
for
any
mechanical
clearing
of
narrow,
downtown
or
narrow,
sidewalks
across
the
city,
are
you
proposing
in
2022
that
you're
coming
back
with
a
permanent
solution
to
do
manual
clearing
if
there's
no
pilot
whatsoever
with
mechanical,
clear
box?
E
J
Through
the
chair,
so
perhaps
I
should
be
a
bit
more
specific
when
I
reference
mechanical
and
as
I
said
it
isn't,
we
are
testing
mechanical
tractors
tractor
trailers.
That
is
exactly
what
we
are
testing
there
may
be,
as
you
suggested,
counselor.
Another
mechanical
form,
whether
that
be
a
snow
blower,
but
we
specifically
are
only
using
the
latest
mechanical
tractor
equipment
which
we
which
we
were
able
to
procure
through
our
market
research.
J
With
respect
to
your
second
question,
our
information
will
be
included
in
a
committee
report
that
we
will
be
providing
to
community
council
in
the
spring
of
2021,
and
they
will
provide
our
analysis
and
recommendations
on
how
to
proceed
with
the
thousand
approximate
thousand
kilometers
of
sidewalks
that
currently
do
not
receive
mechanical
sidewalk
winter
maintenance.
J
A
You
thank
you
councillor,
one
time
and,
and
I
I'd
be
happy
to
do
a
second
round,
but
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
counselor
by
loud
now.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I'm
I'm
going
to
follow
up
on
your
last
answer
vincent.
So
the
report
in
the
spring
of
2021
will
give
us
the
results,
but
it
will
give
us
an
operational
plan
for
2021-2022
exactly
for
the
entire
area
that
currently
doesn't
have
snow.
Sidewalks.
No
clearing
is
that
correct.
J
It
will,
through
the
chair,
it
will
provide
the
results
of
the
test
and
will
provide
an
operational
plan
moving
forward.
We
still
have
to
ascertain
what
impacts
that
would
have
on
the
budgets,
both
capital
and
operating,
but
they
would
have
a
approach
or
direction
for
moving
forward.
C
And
with
the
report
in
the
spring,
do
you
and
and
that
plan
will
one
of
the
options
be
an
operational
plan
for
the
season
of
21
2021
2022?
Will
you
have
enough
time
from
the
spring
to
that
fall,
to
bring
us
a
plan
council
give
you
direction
and
operationalize
a
plan
that
will
see
the
old
city
of
toronto
having
sidewalks,
no
removal
next
season?
J
So
we'd
have
to
factor
in
some
of
the
logistical
issues
in
terms
of
ordering
and
procuring
new
equipment,
so,
for
instance,
for
these
nine
pieces
of
equipment
that
we
are
using.
It
took
one
year
for
us
to
order
to
receive
and
customize
these
pieces
of
equipment.
J
So
it
may
be,
from
a
timing
perspective
a
bit
of
a
challenge
to
order
any
new
equipment.
If
that
is
direction
that
we
recommend,
simply
because
of
the
timelines
that
are
involved
to
procure
this
this
type
of
machinery
and
then
there
would
also
be
staffing
impacts
that
we'd
have
to
factor
in
as
well.
So
I
can't
give
you
a
definitive
answer
whether
it
will
include
21
22
season,
but
there
are
some
logistical
challenges
to
try
to
get
machinery,
equipment
and
staffing
in
within
a
specific
timeline.
A
Any
any
other
questions
I
might
have
a
few
if
no
one
else
is
ready,
so
vince.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
As
usual,
your
answers
were
very
elaborate
and
thorough.
I've
heard
you
say
that
you've
done
some
testing
with
this
equipment.
Have
you
found
that
there
are
some
circumstances
in
toronto,
easter,
community
council
area,
where
this
equipment
would
work.
J
So,
chief
chair,
so
yes,
we
did
start
the
trial
in
february
of
2020..
Unfortunately,
we
actually
did
not
get
that
much
snow
until
we're
in
march
of
last
year
and
we
did
a
few
trials.
We
have
done
a
few
in
december
and
we
have
found
just
based
on
those
moments
that
we've
gone
out,
that,
yes,
it
may
in
fact
be
feasible
where
in
fact,
the
machine
can
navigate
certain
areas.
A
J
Yes,
it
has
begun.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
in
that
are
you
keeping
track
of
the
areas
that
would
conform
to
the
description
of
areas
that
your
pilot
has
so
far
found
this
equipment
would
be
feasible.
A
Yes,
okay,
so
you've
said
that
it
takes
about
a
year
to
procure
and
train
and
do
all
of
that
now,
a
year
from
now
it
will
be
winter
a
year
from
the
spring.
It
will
not
be
winter.
J
J
So
while
it
may
be
able
to
physically
navigate
certain
areas,
we
are
still
trying
to
ascertain
if
this
is
the
right
machine
that
can
in
fact,
clear
the
snow
under
all
various
winter
conditions,
and
this
city
has
experience
rather
large
snow
winter
activities
in
the
area
of
10,
15
20,
even
30
kilometers,
I'm
sorry
centimeters
of
snow
and
one
of
the
areas
that
we're
finding
or
one
of
the
issues
we're
finding
is
actually
the
power
unit.
Is
it
actually
strong
enough
to
move
and
clear
the
snow?
J
That
is
one
of
the
concerns
that
my
staff
have
already
come
back
and
expressed
to
me.
Okay,.
A
F
Yes,
please
thank
you
very
much
councillor
perks,
and
I
think
you
raised
an
interesting
line
of
questioning
about
the
time
it
takes
to
procure
equipment
like
this
events,
the
so
the
first
time
we
make
procurements,
it
typically
takes
a
little
bit
longer
than
in
subsequent
times
right
when
we
procuring
something
for
the
first
time,
does
it
typically
take
longer
than
when
we're
procuring
the
same
equipment?
A
second
time
around.
J
Oh,
the
timeline
of
a
procurement
could
be
affected
by
many
issues.
One
of
the
things
about
this
particular
machine
is
that
it
does
have
to
be
customized,
which
does
take
the
manufacture
a
little
bit
more
time
to
essentially
manufacture
for
us
and
get
to
us.
So
there
are
a
whole
host
of
reasons
why
it
takes
longer.
It
may
take
a
little
bit
shorter.
It
may
not
I'm
sorry.
I
won't
able
to
answer
that
question.
F
Okay,
well,
because
you're
going
to
leave
us
not
much
of
a
choice
but
to
start
asking
you
to
procure
the
devices
for
for
next
year
because
it
sounds
like
we
haven't
left
us
enough
time
to
achieve
what
council
had
directed
and
that's
to
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
full
clearing
by
of
all
sidewalks
by
the
2021-2022
season.
F
So
if
I
may
ask
is,
and-
and-
and
if
you
can't
answer
this-
I
I
I
appreciate
that,
because
you're
not
patch
a
lot
where
you're
not
from
the
procurement
side,
if
we
issued
a
procurement
is,
do
we
have
the
ability,
like
an
rfp?
F
J
That's
an
excellent
question.
Counselor.
I
would
have
to
ask
our
colleagues
in
purchasing
and
see
if,
in
fact,
we
can
begin
these-
maybe
some
of
the
components
of
a
procurement
to
see
if
the
fact
that
we
can
be
in
a
quicker
state.
But
again
I'm
sorry.
I
won't
be
able
to
answer
that
question.
But,
okay,
I
could
ask
and
see
if
in
fact,
there's
some
steps
that
we
could
start
to
take
sooner
than
later.
F
Well,
I
do
hope,
gord's
working
on
emotion,
because
if
not,
then
my
the
the
wheels
are
starting
to
turn
in
my
head
that
that
I
might
be
able
to
put
one
forward.
But
I've
got
a
couple
more
questions
just
really
quickly.
The
report
says
it
takes
approximately
13
hours
to
accomplish
one
full
round
of
snow
clearing
in
the
pilot
area.
That's
two
days
right.
J
So,
with
respect
to
that
13
hours,
that's
an
actual
reference
to
our
existing
contractor
sidewalk
program
with
respect
to
our
testing
machine,
it's
taking
our
staff,
approximately
eight
to
ten
hours
to
complete
13
to
15
kilometers,
and
that's
because
again
it
is
a
smaller
unit.
It
has
less
horsepower
and
they're
trying
not
to
generate
any
property
damage.
J
F
Sure
sure-
and
we
we
certainly
don't
want
to
to
push
our
our
staff
to
to
damage
property,
but
so
it
takes
about.
I
think
I
heard
earlier
two
days
to
cover
the
the
pilot
area
correct
right,
correct
yes,
now,
so
one
of
the
major
issues
that
has
propelled
this
to
the
front
of
our
agenda
of
of
our
minds
in
the
in
recent
years
has
been
that
the
the
the
accumulation
of
snow
after
several
days
when
it
doesn't
disappear
because
of
warmer
weather
is
it
is
a
major
problem.
J
Through
the
counselor
through
the
chair,
so,
as
I
said
in
the
report,
my
shirt,
we
went
out
24
times
to
do
sidewalks
and
for
the
majority
of
those
events,
we
were
able
to
clear
the
snow
within
the
day
or
two
days,
and
then
the
weather
did
improve.
So
our
plan
to
undertake
a
beach
within
two
days
is
based
on
the
fact
that,
yes,
the
weather
in
fact
does
improve
and
that
there
isn't
much
snow
to
clear
out
the
third
day.
I'm
not
saying
that
that
happens.
J
All
the
time,
you're
absolutely
correct.
Counselor
is
saying
that
there
are.
There
are
events
where
the
weather
may
in
fact
be
colder
that
there
still
could
be
snow
on
the
third
day,
but
for
the
most
part
the
the
weather
has
improved.
There
isn't
as
much
snow
and
it
is
a
trial.
As
you
said,
we
are
collecting
data
and
the
trial
areas
is
sufficient
for
us
to
assess
the
feasibility
of
these
machines.
B
Thanks
very
much
mr
chair,
I
will
be
brief.
Just
wanted
to
pick
up
on
a
couple
questions
that
were
asked
by
some
of
my
colleagues
good
to
see
you
vince.
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
equipment
that
we're
trialing
and
demoing
right
now
and,
and
you
flagged
that
one
of
the
issues
that
your
staff
are
identifying
right
now
are
challenges
with
the
power
platform
and
making
sure
that
this
has
the
heft
to
get
through
those
sort
of.
B
I
don't
know
if
you
call
them
like
five-year
storms
or
something
where
we're
getting
a
10-inch
dumping
or
whatever.
But
but
then
you
also
mention
that
this
is
not
off-the-shelf
equipment
and
that
there
is
some
customization.
B
You
know
we're
specifying
the
I
guess
the
specifications
that
would
be
a
made
in
toronto
solution.
So
how
much?
How
different
is
this
versus
an
off-the-shelf
product
that
you
could
go
and
order
from
a
catalog,
or
is
it
pretty
standard
for
transportation
services
when
purchasing
equipment,
to
make
specifications
and
modifications
to
something
out
of
a
book
or
a
catalog?.
J
Through
the
chair
to
the
counselor,
it's
not
unusual
for
us
to
make
specifications
that
are
particular
to
the
city
of
toronto.
We
do
that
for
our
street
sweeping
program
and
we
do
that
for
others.
So
in
this
particular
case,
yes,
we
do
have
to
request
specifications
that
are
unique,
that,
as
a
result,
takes
time
to
fabricate
and
manufacture
and.
B
J
Yes,
it
is,
it
is
common
for
municipality
of
comparable
to
us
to
require
that
the
equipment
be
modified,
be
customized
to
address
very
specific
concerns
or
issues
that
are
indigenous
to
that
municipality,
that
exclusive
flexibility.
B
So
I
think
we're
hearing
two
things:
you're
hearing.
Basically
you
know,
I
think,
unanimous
concern
from
my
colleagues
here
at
tycc
that
we're
not
going
to
have
this
in
place
for
next
year,
as
we've
committed
to
council
directed
and
I'm
hearing
from
you
that
there
are
challenges
with
procurement
and
absolutely
lots
of
bureaucracy
here
and
procurement
is
a
difficult
and
challenging
process
for
all
of
us.
At
the
best
of
times,
have
we
looked
at
other
municipalities
and
and
your
staff
are
coming
back
saying?
B
Oh,
we
haven't
had
this
big
snow
event,
yet
we're
not
sure
if
this
thing
has
enough
juice
to
push
through
10
15
inches.
But
what
about
looking
at,
like
you
know
the
specs
on
the
equipment
that
they
are
using
in
calgary
or
edmonton?
Maybe
they
have
a
different
urban
form.
So,
let's
look
at
something.
That's
super
challenging.
Let's
look
at
boston,
massachusetts
and
all
of
their
tight
streets
or
hartford,
connecticut
or
parts
of
halifax
like
ottawa.
B
Have
we
gone
out
and
said:
oh,
like
you
actually
need
a
whatever
horsepower,
motor
or
x
amount
of
watts
on
something
electric
or
whatever,
to
get
the
job
done,
and
we
could
actually
save
some
time
rather
than
waiting
for
the
15-inch
snow
emergency
event.
Here
we
just
say:
oh,
like
that's
what
they're
doing
in
boston
or
edmonton
or
whatever,
and
that
that's
what
would
work
here.
J
The
municipalities
that
you
just
referenced
do
not
do
sidewalk
winter
maintenance,
new
york,
chicago,
do
not
calgary
does
not
in
ontario
toronto
and
ottawa,
where
the
two
municipalities
that
do
sidewalk
winter
maintenance,
and
so
we
have
looked
at
what
happening
in
ottawa
and
we've
taken
some
of
the
experiences
from
them
as
we
proceeded
on
our
trial.
So
we
did
the
review
and
based
on
what
we
found.
There's
very
limited
examples
out
there
that
the
city
of
toronto
could
utilize
to
see
if,
in
fact,
there's
any
lessons
learned.
B
And,
and
so
you
referenced
two
in
ontario
and
then
you
may
note
that
calgary
doesn't
do
it
like.
I
don't
want
to
go
through
the
whole
list
of
every
municipality
in
the
country,
but
there's
really
no
other
other
places.
Montreal
quebec
city,
halifax,
fredericton
stuff,
where
we
could
kind
of
lift
the
specifications
there
and
try
and
expedite
this
program.
B
I
think
there's
just
a
lot
of
frustration
that
you're
hearing
here
that
here
we
are
another
year
later
in
this
procurement
cycle
and
this
study
never
seems
to
end
and
yet
I
think
the
outcome
that
we
want
the
downtown
sidewalks
cloud
is
pretty
clear.
So
how
can
we
tighten
that
up
and
get
to
that
outcome?
And
you
know
what
resources
or
information
do
you
and
your
team
need
to
make
that
happen?.
J
Well,
I
appreciate
the
frustration
absolutely
and
that's
why
we
did
start
the
trial
in
february
of
2020..
Unfortunately,
the
weather
conditions
did
not
allow
us
to
test
the
machines
under
various
winter
events.
That's
why
we
felt
that,
in
order
for
us
to
be
providing
you
with
evidence-based
recommendations
based
on
responsible
analysis,
we
had
to
continue
to
do
the
trial
for
this
year.
J
A
D
D
J
J
Gravity
just
takes
the
salt
down
these
new
machines,
we're
actually
seeing
if,
in
fact,
there
can
be
controlled
mechanisms
to
actually
control
the
amount
of
salt
that
is
applied
on
the
sidewalk,
not
unlike
what
we
have
with
our
road
salting
machines
where
you
have
spinners
and
those
are
calibrated
and
they
are,
they
are
essentially
engineered
to
apply
specific
amount
of
salt
based
on
the
calibration.
J
J
More
often,
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you,
since
I've
come
on
board
in
the
last
year
year
and
a
half
one
of
the
changes
I'm
trying
to
make
is
is
actually
that
having
staff
do
more
inspection
of
the
salting
application
machines,
but
that's
actually
one
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
in
these
new
sidewalk
machines.
It's
not
just
a
plow.
It
has
actually
a
salting
application
in
the
back
and
we're
seeing
if,
in
fact,
how
we
can
control
that.
So
I'm
glad
you
raised
that
question.
D
J
The
gravity
machines
do
not
have
that
control
mechanism,
unfortunately,
but
I
I'll
see
if
in
fact,
that
we
could
perhaps
apply
some
form
of
system
or
application,
or
at
least
the
driver
of
the
unit
pays
specific
attention
to
how
much
salt
is
being
applied
in
these
testing
years,
but
I
would
certainly
be
interested
in
seeing
that
trial.
Absolutely
I
mean
sorry
that
video
that
you
have
is
there
is.
J
Yes,
the
sidewalk
mechanical
winter
maintenance
contracts
have
been
in
effect
since
2015.,
so
the
machines
haven't
been
replaced.
They
are
amortized
over
the
term
of
the
agreement,
which
is
seven
years,
so
it
would
likely
be
the
same
machine
that
was
used
throughout
the
term
of
the
agreement.
D
A
G
The
the
motion
that
we
approved
at
council
puts
it
in
order
for
toronto
and
east
york
community
council
to
request
the
budget
briefing
note,
given
that
the
that
that
it
was
written
in
a
way
that
the
item
was
sent
to
to
this
community
council.
G
The
motion
also
asked
for,
to
paraphrase
that
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
essentially
to
find
ways
to
to
to
expedite
the
process
along
with
providing
a
path
forward
to
full
harmonization.
So
what
you
heard
vince
talked
about
earlier
was
what
they're
intending
to
do,
which
is
to
provide
that
path
in
the
spring.
G
That
being
said,
though,
if
we
want
to
procure
anything
if
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
the
equipment
staff,
whatever
whatever
we
need
to
be
able
to
actually
expedite
this,
we're
going
to
need
money
from
the
budget.
Undoubtedly,
for
this
coming
year,
I
don't
want
to
see
us
wait
till
the
spring
and
then
miss
out
on
this
budget
cycle.
For
us
to
be
able
to
have
access
to.
You
know
even
a
liberal
estimate
of
funds
to
be
able
to
to
pay
for
the
resources
we
need.
G
I
I
know
I
was
chatting
with
barbara
gray
yesterday
about
this,
and
we
were
sort
of
both
joking
about
how.
How
unfortunate
is
that
we
haven't
had
more
snow
for
the
pilot,
ironically,
because
the
snow
would
be
helpful
to
us
to
to
test
it.
That
being
said,
though,
there's
no
doubt
that
there's
a
very
good
possibility
that
between
now
and
the
budget
process,
there
very
well
could
be
snow
in
toronto,
so
it
doesn't.
G
G
G
You
know
no
winter
is
been
more
important
than
than
than
before
when
when
we
are
reliant
on
walking
for
physical
and
mental
health,
given
that
we're
not
going
to
movie
theaters
we're
not
going
to
shows
we're
not
doing
much
of
anything
other
than
than
walking
that
that
our
sidewalks
be
safe
and
accessible,
and
it
really
only
takes
one
property
owner,
sometimes
one
house,
and
sometimes
even
entire
apartment,
complex
or
institution,
to
not
clear
their
snow
for
it
to
be
impossible
or
dangerous.
G
G
D
A
Questions
of
the
mover,
no
anyone
else
to
speak,
counselor
juan
tam.
I
saw
your
hand
go
ahead.
E
E
That's
due
in
spring
2021,
all
operational
and
financial
considerations
that
will
allow
us
to
expand
the
mechanical
and
manual
plowing
of
sidewalks
and
multi-use
trails
park
pathways
to
ensure
that
we
can
meet
the
accessibilities
of
ontarians
with
disabilities
act
on
a
more
permanent
basis
in
the
future
and
vince.
I
just
want
to
say
to
the
director.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
your
ongoing
work.
I
recognize
that
you
probably
are
hearing
from
a
bunch
of
frustrated
counselors
who
represented
a
number
of
frustrated
constituents
on.
E
Why
is
it
that
this
is
not
being
done
sooner
and
perhaps
more
more
widespread?
And
I
just
want
to
cite
that
you
know
in
in
the
downtown
areas
which
we
are
constantly
hearing,
that
the
sidewalks
are
not
wide
enough
or
we
have
cars
parked
on
one
side,
and-
and
I
recognize
that
that
is
it-
that
that
is
a
reality
that
that
that
the
transportation
service
is
operating
within.
E
But
there's
another
concurrent
reality
that
I'm
seeing
and
other
residents
are
seeing
is
that
there
are
the
same
sidewalks
that
are
narrow.
They
are
being
actively
plowed
and
cleared
by
other
mechanical
equipment
that
somehow
private
property
owners
and
maintenance
companies
and
landscape
companies
have
secured.
E
So
I
do
not
know
if
it's
the
top
of
the
line
equipment,
but
you
know
very
quickly.
I've
googled
snow
clearing-
and
I
know
this
might
sound
rather
simplistic,
but
I
google
snow
clearing
on
narrow
spaces
and
I
get
a
company
called
ventrac
that
pops
up
on
the
screen.
I'm
sure
there
are
probably
some
mechanical
issues
that
won't
necessarily
work
for
the
city
of
toronto,
but
at
first
glance
first
pass.
E
I
see
narrow,
snow
removal,
mechanical
equipment
and-
and
I
know
that
there
are
probably
other
companies
out
there
that
are
comparable,
that
that
provides
some
of
this
equipment.
So
the
question
for
us
in
the
core
of
the
city
is
how
is
it
that
some
of
our
neighbors
are
able
to
procure
and
purchase
snow
removal,
mechanical
equipment
and
then
others
cannot
and
and
and
some
of
this
equipment
is,
is
measuring
the
width
of
34
inches
and,
and
some
of
it
is
48
inches.
E
So
it's
sitting
anywhere
between
sitting
between
0.8
meters
and
1.2
meters,
which
seems
to
fall
well
within
the
minimum
criteria
of
sidewalk
clearing
equipment.
So
so
I
hope
vince
that
we
don't
get
left
further
behind.
I
think
councillor
matlow's
motion
is,
is
a
very
good
one,
we're
all
trying
to
we're
all
trying
to
recognize
that
there
are
certain
limitations
with
through
the
public
procurement
process,
but
as
we
evaluate
and
and
pull
information-
and
I
recognize
you're
collecting
that
data
through
the
2021
cycle.
E
It
very
well
may
mean
that
the
core
of
the
city
and
neighborhoods
outside
the
corner
of
the
city
with
narrow
sidewalks.
We
will
be
left
behind
again
for
another
year:
it's
not
our
first
year,
it's
multiple
years
now
we
will
be
left
behind
again
by
the
time
you
come
back
with
a
report
that
tells
us
we
need
to
do
some
further,
studying
or
perhaps
medical
manual
removal
is
not
sufficient
or
we
don't
have
the
budget
allocations
to
get
this
done
and
then
we're
all
of
a
sudden,
2023,
2024
and
and
so
forth.
E
So
that
is
unacceptable
to
to
our
constituents.
I
I
believe
it's
unacceptable
to
torontonians,
because
you're
creating
a
two-tier
system
within
the
city,
not
to
mention
of
course.
The
final
point,
which
is
the
big
one,
is
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
meet
some
criterias
with
the
accessibilities
for
ontarians
with
disabilities
act
covet
has
taught
us
we've
already
locked
people
inside
their
homes.
We
told
them
to
stay
home,
but
for
some
individuals
they
didn't
need
to
be
told
to
stay
home,
especially
during
the
winter
months.
E
They
cannot
leave
their
house
because
it's
physically
unsafe
for
them
to
leave
their
houses
and
and
their
homes.
So,
for
a
number
of
years
now,
when
it
comes
to
to
the
seasonal
winter
effect
in
toronto,
seniors
people
who
are
pushing
strollers
people
requiring
the
use
of
mobility
devices,
people
carrying
heavy
parcels,
the
frail,
the
elderly,
the
sick.
They
can't
leave
their
homes
anyways
for
several
months
of
the
year,
so
it's
not
just
that
the
pandemic
for
them
we've
done
that
to
them.
E
A
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
add
a
couple
comments,
I'll
be
supporting
both
of
the
motions
that
are
in
front
of
us.
I
I
hear
what
staff
are
saying
in
terms
of
the
timing
and
in
terms
of
the
inability
to
have
tested
this
equipment
to
the
fullest
extent.
Yet
I
completely
understand
that,
but
I
also
hear
what
counselor
wong
tam
is
saying,
which
is
that
the
current
service
we
provide
is
an
inequitable
service.
A
It
does
not
provide
adequate
clearing
of
sidewalks
for
people
with
disabilities,
people
with
mobility
challenges
and
people
pushing
strollers,
and
I
will
tell
you
as
someone
who
had
at
one
point
in
his
life
a
two
and
a
half
year
old
and
twin
six
month
olds
and
no
driver's
license
that
that's
an
unacceptable
and
intolerable
condition.
A
So
I've
heard
that
it
takes
up
to
a
year
to
get
the
equipment.
I
see
a
cancer
related,
get
the
equipment
organized,
and
I
know
that
it's
a
tremendous
challenge
to
get
the
pilot
to
answer
all
the
questions,
but
here's
the
thing.
If
we
really
meant
to
do
this,
we
could,
for
example,
take
one
of
these
plows
up
to
owen
sound
in
the
snow
belt
and
just
see
how
much
snow
it
can
move,
how
much
depth
of
snow
it
can
move.
We
could
do
that.
A
We
haven't
if
we're
concerned
about
the
unique
geography
of
the
city
of
toronto,
because
we
have
some
narrow,
sidewalks
some
wide
sidewalks.
We
could
look
at
what
they
do
at
quebec
city,
whose
geography
is
even
more
complex
than
ours,
it's
an
older
city
and
has
narrower
sidewalks
than
ours,
and
yet
they
clear
sidewalks.
A
Perhaps
the
briefing
note
that
counselor
matlow
is
asked
for
could
include
some
suggestions
about
what
additional
resources
they
would
have
to
do
to
further
test
the
market
to
further
review
what
happens
in
other
municipalities
to
further
test
this
machine.
I
mean
goodness
me.
We
can
certainly
put
10
feet
of
snow
down
somewhere
and
have
this
plow
try
to
push
it?
We
could
do
that
if
we,
if
we
had
sufficient
staff
time
and
resources
and
if
you
need
more
starting
next
thursday,
you
can
ask
for
it.
A
Finally,
just
to
be
clear:
it's
unusual
that
toronto
east
york,
community
council
would
be
making
a
request
directly
to
the
budget
committee,
and
I
want
to
confirm
for
everyone
on
the
committee.
I've
checked
this
with
the
clerk
and
the
city
solicitor
because
toronto,
because
city
council
referred
this
item
here
and
not
to
the
budget
committee
and
not
to
the
infrastructure
and
environment
committee
effectively.
A
City
council
has
empowered
us
to
make
this
request
of
the
budget
committee
and
to
make
these
policy
decisions.
So
with
that
I
had,
I
believe,
councillor
layton
next.
Thank
you.
F
Fascinating
how
that
how
that
works?
I
and
I
think
anyone
who
wishes
to
get
a
briefing
who
who
wishes
to
ensure
that
a
briefing
notes
done
for
the
budget
committee
councillor
bradford,
helps
me
out
on
a
regular
basis,
getting
bunch
of
briefing
notes
passed,
but
they
don't
all
pass.
So
if
you're
interested
in
getting
one
pass
find
a
committee,
that's
has
carriage
of
an
item
and
or
an
issue
and
try
to
get
a
briefing
note.
That
way.
I
do
have
a
motion.
I
have
a
motion.
F
That's
that
asks
the
cheat
general
manager
of
transportation
services
and
consultation
with
the
chief
procure
purchasing
officer
to
report
back
to
its
meeting
on
february,
24th
2021,
on
approaches
to
accelerating
the
procurement
process
for
mechanical
snow
clearing
equipment
sufficient
to
clear
snow
on
residential
streets
to
the
same
standard
across
the
city
to
be
procured
in
time
for
the
21
22
winter
season.
F
I
also
and
councillor
matlow
has
been
so
gracious
as
to
accept
as
a
friendly
amendment,
a
tiny
addition
to
his
motion
that
asked
to
put
a
an
equity
lens
on
the
within
the
briefing
note.
That
goes
to
the
briefing
the
budget
committee
and
I'll
thank.
I
was
channeling,
my
my
inner
counselor
wang
tam
in
ensuring
that,
as
well
as
the
deputation
and
advice
from
robert
who
spoke
earlier
today,
who's
a
resident
of
of
mine.
F
You
know
I've
often
been
confused
as
to
why,
on
some
streets,
north
of
the
danforth
and
some
streets,
south
of
the
damn
forth,
are
treated
differently.
Vis-A-Vis
snow
clearing,
I
appreciate
there
may
be
an
anomaly
of
a
particularly
narrow,
sidewalk
or
when
the
the
the
hydro
posts
are
within
the
the
the
sidewalk
right
of
way,
rather
than
on
the
front
lawn.
But
to
be
honest,
most
streets
are
the
same,
and
the
the
the
the
new
plow
is
is
more
narrow
and
does
work.
F
We
have
situations
in
in
in
now
ward
11,
where
even
old
plowing
technology
was
working,
fine
and
particularly
in
front
of
schools
where
there
was
parking
as
well,
and
I
think
that
if
we,
if
we
are-
and
this
is
this
has
been
going
on
for
a
couple
of
years
now,
if
we
are
going
to
be
serious
about
bringing
the
same
level
of
service
to
everyone
across
the
city
which,
given
that
we
all
all
pay
the
same
tax
rate,
we
should
be
getting
that
same
level
of
service.
F
And
it's
either
like.
We
have
two
choices:
either
we
reduce
the
level
of
service
that
we're
providing
in
other
parts
of
the
city
or
we
increase
the
level
of
service
we're
providing
in
other
parts
of
the
city
and
that
it's
not
just
snow.
Clearing
like
I
think
that
this
should
be
across
the
board,
just
as
we
plan
and
and
there's
been
greater
expansion
of
community
services
in
the
outer
suburbs,
that
or
inner
suburbs
that
that
didn't
get
the
same
level
of
investment
in
the
20
30
50
years,
leading
up
to
amalgamation.
F
The
I
think
the
same
is
true
for
for
for
the
downtown
and
midtown
areas
that
that
deserve
that
same
level
of
service,
and
while
it
wasn't
40
years
ago
as
it
was
for
councillor
perks,
it
was
just
in
the
last
couple
years
that
that
I've
struggled
with
the
same
thing
being
a
family
that
doesn't
own
a
car.
F
We
rely
on
walking,
transit
and
cycling
and
when
it's
that
snowy
out
and
when
your
kids
are
that
young
you're
not
cycling
quite
yet
or
or
many
aren't
and
therefore
you're,
using
a
lot
of
of
sidewalks
you're
using
a
lot
of
public
transit.
So
I've
come
to
value
the
accessibility
of
our
transit
stations.
The
accessibility
of
the
new
vehicles
guy
is
impossible
and
I'm
sure
councillor
perks
can
vouch
for
this
because
he
lives
on
a
streetcar
line.
It's
almost
impossible
to
lift
the
double
stroller
up
onto
one
of
those
old
transit
vehicles
almost
impossible.
F
So
I
I
think
that
this
is
like
a
necessary
step,
an
investment
that
we're
going
to
have
to
make.
Now.
I
there
will
be
a
cost
associated,
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
and
when
it
comes
back,
we're
going
to
have
to
evaluate
that
and
demonstrate
to
our
fellow
counselors
across
the
city
that
this
is
a
necessary
investment.
And
it's
not
folks
in
in
the
downtown
area.
F
Complaining
it's
it's
about,
delivering
a
level
of
accessibility
in
our
city
and
a
level
of
fairness
in
the
way
that
we
implement
services
that
that
doesn't
doesn't
currently
exist
and
with
that
I'll
table
those
motions
and
we
can
move
forward.
D
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
looking
forward
to
plows
that
are
petite
and
can
get
around
our
small
streets
and
won't
have
so
much
salt,
and
I
did
want
to
answer
councillor
leighton's
question
about
why.
D
Why
were
streets
north
of
the
danforth
that
actually
didn't
meet
the
criteria
being
cleaned
and
the
ones
south
of
this
damn
fort
like
monarch
park,
which
has
a
boulevard,
weren't
being
cleaned?
And
it
was
actually
just
the
staff
decision
that
in
it
was
about
cleaning
an
area
and
not
leaving
the
area
and
the
advocacy,
because
east
york
always
had
its
sidewalks
clean.
The
section
of
the
danforth
north
of
the
danforth
in
the
wards
that
were
created
as
a
sliver.
D
That's
the
old
city
of
toronto
and
was
not
being
plowed
so
that
got
incorporated
into
the
east
york
plowing
contract.
But
I
asked
so
many
times
if
you
have
criteria,
why
are
those
not
being
applied
to
streets
directly
south
of
the
danforth,
such
as
monarch
park,
which
meets
the
criteria
south
of
the
danforth,
but
not
north
of
the
danforth?
D
So,
finally,
with
all
of
this
advocacy
for
many
years-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
all
of
the
community
and
all
of
the
counselors
for
this
advocacy-
that
we
will
now
have
a
harmonized
approach
to
street
cleaning
across
the
whole
city,
so
if
someday
it
ends,
it
will
end
for
everybody,
not
just
not
be
there
for
us
in
the
old
city
of
toronto.
A
A
Yeah
yeah
so
on
on
all
the
items
together,
counselor
counselors,
please
raise
your
hand
if
you're
in
favor,
I
have
counselor
wang,
tam
councillor,
matlow,
counselor,
fletcher
counselor
by
law,
counselor,
cressi,
counselor,
leighton
and
myself
in
the
chair.
So
that's
unanimous!
Thank
you
very
much
members.
I
think
that
takes
us
to
the
bills.
Hang
on
a
second.
A
That
toronto
east
york
community
council
passed
and
declare
as
a
bylaw
a
confirmatory
bill
to
confirm
the
legislative
proceedings
of
the
toronto
east
york
community
council
acting
under
delegated
authority
at
meeting
22
of
the
january
12
2021,
all
those
in
favor
opposed
carried
members.
That
concludes
our
business.
Well
done.
We're
finished
by.