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Toronto and East York Community Council, meeting 28, November 14, 2017 - Part 2 of 2
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A
B
A
A
F
A
A
F
You
very
much
I'll
move
the
staff
recommendations
and
thank
our
our
our
planner
on
the
file
Greg
EWTN's
for
his
hard
work
on
this.
For
those
who
might
not
be
able
to
read
between
the
lines
on
this,
this
is
three
locations
on
college
that
are
live
music
locations,
but
don't
have
the
appropriate
zoning
they've
been
in
operation
for,
like
two
plus
decades,
I
believe
alcove
into
Rico,
just
celebrated
their
25th
anniversary.
F
It's
it's
kind
of
unfortunate
that
that
we
have
to
go.
Do
it
do
it
this
way,
which
is
kind
of
a
temporary
rezoning
and
the
the
recommendations
are
from
the
music
Advisory
Committee
go
through
planning
and
growth,
but
I'm
kind
of
tired
of
meeting
with
these
business
owners
over
and
over
again
to
try
to
find
another
way
to
to
skirt
the
zoning
bylaw.
These
are
good
venues
in
the
city.
F
They
do
their
very
best
to
address
the
concerns
that
neighbors
have
make
significant
investments
in
sound
attenuation
and
in
the
facades
of
their
buildings
and
in
the
storage
of
all
the
things
it
takes
to
run.
A
live
music
venue.
I
think
that
this
sets
a
really
good
precedent
for
for
moving
forward
on
that
music
file
and
I'm
happy
to
move
forward
the
recommendations.
Okay,.
A
All
those
in
favor
of
the
recommendations
in
the
report
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you.
No
other
quick
items
we're
heading
back
to
te
28.5
1182,
King,
Street,
West
and
1221
King
Street
West
zoning
amendment
applications
final
Court.
This
is
the
item
that
we
were
dealing
with
prior
to
recess.
There
were
two
members
of
the
public
who
are
on
the
speakers
list
who
I
had
called
earlier,
who
did
not
appear
I'm
going
to
call
these
names
again,
and
this
will
be
your
final
opportunity
to
speak.
A
G
After
the
applicant,
this
is
a
proposal
that
has
been
through
a
little
over
a
two-year
process,
with
three
local
community
information
meetings
and
significant
changes
to
the
development
throughout
the
process.
The
location
of
the
site,
you've
already
been
told
about
at
King
and
Dufferin,
and
the
two
corners
opposite
to
each
other
in
the
address
is
shown
above
and
then
the
existing
context,
with
higher
density
behind
the
site.
It's
an
area
where
there's
two
designations
on
one
site:
it's
regeneration
and
the
other
Institute's
designation-
and
this
is
the
other
site.
G
That's
before
the
board,
which
includes
the
McDonald's
and
doesn't
include
the
Heritage,
but
important
aspects
of
the
design
were
to
respect
the
Heritage.
The
current
proposal
before
the
board
in
terms
of
the
design
has
changed
significantly
from
what
originally
came
through
the
door
a
little
over
two
and
a
bit
years
ago.
If
I
take
you
through
on
the
first
site,
1182
King
West.
What
you'll
see
in
the
bullets
that
are
noted
beside
are
some
of
the
changes
that
occurred.
G
G
In
addition
to
revisions
to
the
mid
block
connection
and
the
sidewalk
width
and
the
residential
entrances,
there
was
also
a
contribution
to
expand
the
adjacent
park
so
to
provide
actually
a
park.
Expansion
on
site,
as
opposed
to
just
cash
in
lieu
and
then
the
elevations
from
original
to
current,
had
changed
in
terms
of
their
proposed
height
and
design
and
stepping
and
materiality
as
a
result
of
input
from
city
staff.
After
the
public
formation
meetings,
the
first
two
and
then
again
the
other
site
having
a
reduction
from
19
to
14
stories.
G
With
all
the
other
changes
that
I
showed
you
and
finally,
the
original
proposal
on
the
1182,
which
had
a
glass,
your
appearance,
which
then
introduced
brick
and
at
the
base
and
at
the
mid
rise
component
and
again,
a
similar
change
to
the
opposite
corner
in
terms
of
the
design.
So
an
applicant
who's
listened
over
to
innovate
years.
G
Again
in
response
to
the
the
input
of
the
community
and
and
and
the
community
meetings
that
took
place,
we
are
thankful
for
the
iterative
process
and
cooperative
process
and
thankful
for
staff
and
bringing
forward
a
final
report,
and
we
support
the
recommendations
in
that
report.
That's
before
you
today.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
council.
Thank.
A
G
A
D
D
G
D
Thank
you
to
the
Planning
Department,
this
application.
As
you
know,
when
there's
an
application
from
the
day
they
file
there's
a
period,
we
have
to
work
with
them
and
then,
when
we
get
past
the
period
it's
within
their
rights
to
appeal
that
the
city
doesn't
make
a
decision.
Where
are
we
in
terms
of
that
timing?.
H
D
D
D
H
D
D
My
understanding
is
that
development
charges
act
places
requirements
on
the
city
that
we
have
to
specify
in
advance
so
much
for
this
kind
of
stuff,
so
much
for
that
kind
of
stuff
and
that
we
can't
retroactively
lis
come
in
and
allocate
it
back
to
a
specific
neighborhood.
That's
the
provincial
law.
I
understand
it
correctly.
Yes,.
F
F
If
we
were
to
write
a
zoning
bylaw
that
said,
10%
of
units
would
would
be
required
to
have
to
be
affordable
in
any
measure
of
affordable
affordability
and
the
applicant
decided
to
appeal
that
to
the
board.
Would
that
likely
be
ignored
or
would
the
board
member
and
embrace
the
city
taking
upon
itself
the
power
of
inclusionary
zoning
without
without
a
regulatory,
a
regulation
permitting
it.
I
J
I
F
I
H
H
F
H
It's
not
it's
not
specifically
a
mathematical
formula.
What
we
do
look
at.
There
are
number
of
factors
we
look
at
the
value
of
the
real
estate,
because
real
estate
values
do
vary
significantly
across
the
city,
so
we
want
to
be
fair
to
people
in
terms
of
the
value
capture
for
the
city.
We
look
at
what
the
need
is
in
the
community
in
terms
of
facilities
that
would
be
required
to
serve
the
increased
population
that
this
that
an
increase
in
density
would
cause,
and
then
we
take
a
look
at
comparables.
So
we
look
at
other
developments.
H
F
H
Exactly
and
then
there's
an
there's,
a
negotiation
that
happens.
Obviously,
the
counselor's
office
is
involved
in
that
conversation,
and
then
it
ultimately
becomes
a
negotiated
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
developer.
It's
not
it's
not
something
we
can
mandate,
it
becomes
something
that
we
need
the
developer
to
agree
to,
and.
F
H
K
K
H
K
20%,
that's
pretty
high
from
what
I've
seen
the
other
thing.
There
been
questions
about
whether
this
should
be
mid
rise
or
tall
buildings,
and
what,
if
you
could
just
comment
on
what
are
the
designations
under
the
Official
Plan,
and
why
are
we
looking
at
both
mid
rise
and
tall
buildings
in
assessing
these
proposals?.
H
So
what
we
did
look
at
was
King.
Street
is
an
Avenue,
so
it
does
fall
within
the
mid
rise
and
tall
buildings
guidelines.
We
then
looked
at
the
amount
of
density
which
we
thought
could
be
reasonably
accommodated
on
the
site,
provided
that
the
developer
was
able
to
meet
our
requirements
for
public
realm
sidewalk
widths,
tower
separation,
podium,
Heights,
sort
of
looking
at
the
context
and
how
how
tall
the
podiums
were
and
how
they
related
to
the
street.
I
So
we
still
don't
have
the
regulation
for
inclusionary
zoning.
So
can
we
in
any
way
try
to
identify
how
those
units
lower
the
cost
for
those
units
would
would
be
the
value
of
those
units?
Some
deputies
talked
about
the
sixteen
point.
Nine
million
dollars
I
mean.
Can
we
even
try,
given
that
we
don't
have
any
of
the
regulations,
we
don't
know
how
it's
going
to
be
calculated
or
implemented
the
inclusionary
zoning?
Can
we
even
start
to
attribute
a
value
to
these
units?
I.
H
Think
that
would
be
oh.
That
would
be
difficult
to
do.
I
think
the
only
two
valuations
that
would
be
available
to
us
would
be
number
one.
What
would
it
cost
the
city
to
deliver?
A
certain
number
of
units
affordable
and
the
other
valuation
is
obviously
what
is
the
market
value
of
the
unit
in
a
certain
location?
Otherwise,
we
don't.
We
don't
really
have
a
formula
to
try
and
figure
out
what
it
the
value.
The
regulations.
I
Could
come
in
different
ways,
there's
different
ways
of
implementing
clusion
Arizona
incorrect,
absolutely
okay,
and
if
we
I
noticed
you
answered
two
council
perks
that
you
calculated
the
the
section
37.
What
do
you
believe
to
be
a
fair
value
and
and
in
a
way
that
is
not
appealable
to
the
OMB?
Could
somebody
appeal
to
the
OMB
on
an
unfair
calculation
of
section
37.
I
Answer
it
this
way,
there's
certainly
been
cases
where
what
the
city
has
requested
for
section
37
has
been
turned
down
by
the
entire
municipal
board,
so
it
can
be
an
issue
at
the
OMB.
So
could
it
be
that
we
lose
even
what
we
were
able
to
code?
It
could
go
down
to
zero
at
the
OMB.
Yes,
there
have
been
cases
where
the
board
has
said
zero.
Thank.
K
A
Other
members
with
questions
just
have:
okay,
I
have
a
quick
question
to
maybe
perhaps
two
before
us.
It's
a
positive
planning
report
with
staff
supporting
the
application,
and
if
the
applicant
was
to
appeal
this
to
the
board,
would
you
be
able
to
defend?
They
would
not
be
able
this
city
solicitor
cannot
call
upon
you
as
our
city
planner,
to
to
actually
refute
the
application,
because
you
actually
support
it.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct.
So
then
what
would
happen
if,
if
there
was
a
decision
to
to
to
refuse
your
recommendations
here
so.
A
That
third-party
witness
would
have
to
come
from
the
private
sector,
but
it
would
not
be
anyone
within
the
city,
community
planning,
Oh,
that's
correct,
yes,
vision
and
if
we
were
to,
if
we
were
to,
and
so
with,
the
applicants
with
the
applicants,
solicitor
be
able
to
subpoena
the
city
planner
to
speak
on
their
behalf
and
provide
testimony
in
support
of
their
application.
If
that
was
the
case
that
this
was
brought
before
the
board.
Well,.
I
It
wouldn't
necessarily
be
yes
that,
yes
to
answer
a
question
that
could
summons
the
the
city
planner
to
attend,
but
it
would
necessarily
in
support
they
would
be.
They
would
just
be
answering
questions
factually
they
wouldn't
necessarily
be
taking
aside
either
way.
They
would
just
be
a
witness
right.
A
I
A
I
A
D
Let's
start
with
what
went
right
today,
first
of
all,
I
I
am
I,
am
delighted
that
this
community
council
finally
heard
some
voices
from
Parkdale
on
what
is
happening
in
terms
of
the
stability
of
neighborhoods
that
welcome
low-income
people
in
the
City
of
Toronto.
We
get
numb
here
approving
buildings,
approving
parks,
approving
the
physical
built
form
of
the
city,
and
we
forget
that
actually,
there
is
a
deep
and
pervasive
crisis.
D
People
with
low
incomes
are
losing
the
places
where
they
live,
losing
the
places
where
they
shop
losing
the
places
where
they
hang
out,
losing
their
neighborhoods
Park
Dale's
been
able
to
resist
until
now,
but
now,
like
many
of
the
neighborhoods,
where
people
from
any
walk
of
life
could
live,
Park
dill
is
under
threat.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
this
community's
community
council
heard
that
I'm
just
disappointed.
D
It
wasn't
the
whole
City
Council
hearing
if
the
extent
of
the
crisis
that
we're
facing
in
terms
of
affordability
and
inclusion
in
the
City
of
Toronto
also
I
just
wanted
to
you
all
to
note
how
smart
the
people
in
Parkdale
are.
We
don't
often
get
what
we
got
today.
We
often
just
get
an
argument
about
parking.
This
was
a
real
conversation
about
the
kind
of
city
we
want
to
have
and
I
think
that's
great.
D
The
second
thing
that
went
right
today
is
that
we
proved
once
again
how
this
form
of
government
is
the
most
open
and
accessible
and
accountable.
An
awful
lot
of
the
issues
that
were
raised
by
the
people
who
spoke
today
are
issues
that
we
don't
have
control
over
our
city
government,
but
members
the
public
have
nowhere
else
to
raise
them.
A
conversation
like
today's
conversation
simply
doesn't
happen
at
Queen's
Park.
D
You
can't
just
sign
up
and
make
members
of
provincial
Parliament
here
what
you
need,
nor
can
you
do
that
in
Ottawa,
so
those
are
things
that
went
right
and
I'm.
Glad
of
that
and
I
hope
that
informs
the
conversations
we
have
about
how
we
plan
this
city
going
forward
and
I
know
that
that
all
of
you
on
this
Community
Council
have
been
strong
advocates
for
a
more
inclusive,
City
and
I
know
that
you
will
continue
to
do
that.
D
Although
the
federal
government
talks
about
how
that
corporation
is
going
to
make
more
investments
in
an
affordability
and
an
inclusion,
we
have
to
remember
what
its
principle
job
is.
Public
money
does
not
meaningfully
go
into
affordable
housing.
What
the
public
money
that
CMHC
manages
does
is
underwrite
the
banks.
D
Everyone
who's
ever
applied
for
a
mortgage
knows
that
the
first
test
is,
are
you
CMHC
eligible,
and
what
that
means
is
that
the
federal
government
is
guaranteeing
the
banks
that,
if
you
can't
make
your
mortgage
payment,
the
federal
government
will
pay
the
banks,
they
don't
pay,
you
they
pay
the
banks,
so
that
the
principal
lever
we
have
for
housing
in
this
country
is
to
guarantee
the
banks
make
their
money.
When
developments
like
this
happen,
that's
the
main
thing
CMHC
does
that's
not
a
National
Housing
Strategy.
D
The
next
thing
that
we
have
to
be
mindful
of-
and
this
is
something
that's
happened
in
well-
not
in
councilor
crises
lifetime,
but
maybe
the
rest
of
us,
which
is
the
condominium
act.
Council
8
I'd,
have
to
go.
Look
up
your
birth
date.
The
condominium
act
did
something
new
in
the
70s,
so
yeah
you're,
actually
not
in
your
lifetime,
either
it's
something
new
in
the
70s
which
said
that,
unlike
previous
land
development,
we
now
have
a
circumstance
where
you
can
create
form
a
corporation.
D
Go
in,
buy
a
bundle
of
land,
develop
the
land,
sell
it
to
the
condominium
corporation
transfer,
the
ownership.
Take
your
profit
out
and
disappear
prior
to
the
condominium.
Act
development
didn't
work
like
that.
You
bought
your
own
home
or
someone
built
a
rental
building
the
owners,
the
person
who
built
it
owned
it
and
stayed
there
and
had
an
investment
in
the
community.
D
That's
another
aspect
of
our
housing
and
land
use
planning
system
that
is
fundamentally
broken
when
you
add
to
that
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board,
who,
quite
frankly
I'll
be
honest,
has
as
its
mandate
guaranteeing
certain
property
rights.
That's
part
of
their
mandate
is
to
guarantee
the
property
rights
of
landowners
to
develop
their
property
to
the
maximum.
May
they
guard
that
right
jealously
and
that's
why
so?
Many
of
the
answers
that
we
heard
from
staff
can-can
counsel
do
this
or
counsel
do
that.
D
The
answer
was
no,
so
the
main
thing
sitting
on
top
of
the
decision
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
today
guarantee
guarantee
that
inclusive
neighborhoods
are
under
threat
and
under
siege
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
guarantee
that
the
Parkdale
that
we
have,
which
quite
frankly,
should
be
a
model
of
what
the
city
should
be
I've
always
said
this.
The
city
needs
more
Parkdale
guarantee,
though,
that
all
those
laws
guarantee,
though,
that
the
city
isn't
going
to
get
more
Parkdale.
D
In
fact
we're
going
to
have
less
so
we
have
a
terrible
choice
in
front
of
us
here
today.
Do
we
take
the
agreement
that
the
planning
staff,
with
some
advice
from
the
community
and
from
myself,
have
been
able
to
get
a
15%
reduction
in
the
size
of
one
building,
the
20%
reduction
in
the
size
of
another
building,
Park
money
spent
on
site
instead
of
going
into
general
city
coffers
tremendously
improved
public
realm
and
1.9
million
dollars
to
buy
affordable
housing?
D
Rental
housing
I
want
to
stress
that
in
Parkdale,
socially
owned
housing,
not
not
something
stuck
in
the
middle
of
a
condo,
without
access
to
the
amenities
that
the
members
of
the
condo
corporation
have
but
actual
quality
rental
housing
within
Parkdale?
Do
we
put
all
of
that
at
risk
and
hope
that
the
OMB
gives
us
a
better
deal?
Well,
we
all
know
the
OMB
won't
give
us
a
better
deal
than
that.
D
D
A
L
So
what
I
heard
today
from
the
deputies
was
that
they
love
their
community.
They
wanted
to
remain
inclusive
and
affordable,
and
they
are
incredibly
concerned
about
not
only
this
development
but
also
what
it
I
think
symbolizes,
which
is
a
gentrification
of
a
community
that
will
make
it
not
only
less
affordable
but
unaffordable.
For
so
many
people
who
called
home
and
who
have
lived
there
for
decades.
So
their
anger
and
their
upset
is
justified
and
I.
L
L
L
He
would
use
it
today
if
he
had
any
belief
that
the
developer
wouldn't
go
to
the
board
and
get
more
of
everything
they
asked
less
of
what
Gord
was
able
to
get
them
to
compromise
on
that
there
was
any
possibility
that
he
could
restrict
them
from
trying
to
get
the
board
to
remove
the
section
37
that
should
go
and
invest
in
the
community.
He
would.
He
would
do
everything
he
could.
What
Gord
is
doing
is
choosing
a
very
hard
path
here,
which
is
councillor
perks.
Rather's
is
choosing
a
very
hard
path.
L
He
could
simply
say
to
his
community.
I'm
gonna
lead
this
protest
to
the
point
where
we're
gonna
lose
every
concession
we
made
and
we're
gonna
get
in
under
the
section
37
and
we're
gonna
get
this
gentrification
anyway
or
I'm
gonna
fight
to
make
this
the
best
that
I
can
and
continue
pushing
back.
One
last
thing:
I'll
say
about
councillor
perks
because
I'm,
confident
in
his
love
for
Parkdale,
you,
if
you
ever
see
a
recording
of
what
he
did,
that
David
Peterson
incident
that
I'm,
referring
to
the
only
time
I've
seen
his
blood
boil.
L
Even
more
is
when
cancer
mammal
Edie
said
some
disgusting
comments
about
the
Parkdale
community
and
councillor
perks
was,
let's
just
say
he
went
to
bat
for
part
deal.
So
I
really
respect
the
work
that
he's
done.
I
respect
the
fact
that
he's
able
to
be
honest
with
his
community,
that's
what
every
elected
official
should
do,
even
when
it's
really
hard
to
tell
the
truth.
So,
therefore,
he's
earned
my
confidence
and
my
support
today.
J
Let
me
begin,
first
of
all,
by
thanking
the
deputies
and
residents
of
Parkdale
not
only
for
coming
out
and
speaking,
but
also
for
the
unwavering
commitment
to
inclusion
and
equity
that
was
shown
here
today
and
I
want
to
equally
recognize
and
thank
Gord
councillor
perks
for
that
same
commitment
to
equity
and
inclusion,
always
I,
think
the
discussion
we're
having
today
and
what
we've
heard
from
others
raises
broader
issues
related
to
housing,
supply
related
to
affordability
and
equity
related
to
the
impact
of
rising
property
values
in
gentrification.
These.
J
J
Every
day,
limitations
related
to
the
absence
of
inclusionary
zoning
and
our
ability
to
mandate
equity
limitations,
such
as
the
absence
of
our
ability
to
assess
taxes
for
small
and
independent
businesses
at
a
different
rate
than
large
businesses
and
the
reality
of
the
planning
framework
that
we
exist
under,
and
so
this
city,
as
we've
heard
from
people
again
and
again
today,
we
desperately
need
many
things.
We
desperately
need
more
affordable
housing.
We
do.
We
desperately
need
stronger
measures
to
protect
small
and
independent
businesses
so
that
we
don't
just
end
up
with
big
boxes.
We
do.
J
We
also
need
more
a
range
of
more
housing
options
for
a
nut
for
the
next
generation
that,
just
as
we
need
more
affordable
housing
options,
we
also
need
more
diverse
housing
options,
because
the
next
generation
ain't
buying
homes
in
downtown
Toronto
supply
is
not
there
they're
too
expensive,
they're
not
gonna
buy,
and
so
we
need
affordable
housing.
We
need
stronger
protections
for
taxes,
we
need
more
housing
writ
large
and
as
a
city,
the
answer
is
not
to
grow
out.
The
answer
is
not
to
prevent
development
only
at
the
expense
of
the
Greenbelt.
J
The
answer
is
to
grow
up,
but
the
problem
is
the
development
model
that
exists
is
broken
in
terms
of
the
type
of
development
we
can
mandate
as
we
grow
up
as
we
grow
as
we
build
up,
because
we
should
be
able
to
mandate
affordable
housing.
It
is
the
formal
position
of
this
council
and
certainly
councillor
perks,
that
inclusionary
zoning
should
be
in
place.
The
province
of
Ontario
could
authorize
it
tomorrow
through
the
through
the
signature,
through
regulatory
approval,
without
even
legislative
approval
they
haven't,
and
we
don't
have
the
authority
on
our
own.
J
The
city
should
be
able
to
assess
taxes
under
impact.
We
should
have
the
power
to
have
a
different
assessment
model
for
small
and
independent
businesses
on
Main
streets.
We
don't
that
requires
provincial
changes
and,
to
be
honest
and
I,
think
we
have
to
recognize
this.
If
this
was
city
owned,
land,
I'm
sure,
councillor
parts
would
have
a
big,
a
whole
shopping
list
of
items
that
he'd
like
to
do
with
the
land.
M
You
very
much
and
I
want
to
thank
the
residents
for
their
incredible
deputations
today,
articulate
passionate,
compassionate,
inclusive,
enthusiastic
and
incredibly,
knowledgeable
and
and
one
deputy
and
was
seemed
angry
that
we
weren't
asking
questions,
but
we
didn't
need
to
because
you're
a
deputy
Asians
were
thought
so
thorough
and
so
clear
and
the
messaging
was
incredible.
So
that's
why
there
weren't
a
lot
of
questions
when
I
first
was
elected,
I
fought
development
on
Kingston
Road
with
my
residents
and
we
lost
at
the
OMB
and
we
didn't
work
with
the
developer
at
all.
M
We
just
fought
it
and
that
my
community,
the
residents
Association,
was
in
the
hole
and
may
still
be
in
the
hole
$75,000.
So
what
I
learned
then
was
that
we
need
to
work
with
the
developer
as
best
we
can
and
work
with
the
councillor
for
the
art
of
possible
and
I'll.
Tell
you
your
councillor
council
perks.
He
he
fights
for
for
inclusivity
for
everything
you
were
passionate
about
today.
M
I
Some
of
the
deputies
of
extreme
frustration
and
I
think
that
we're
all
feeling
best
this
frustration
with
as
councillor
perks,
called
it
the
terrible
choice
that
is
in
front
of
us,
because
I
think
most
of
us
agree
with
everything
that
the
deputies
said
and
everything
that
we
we
do
to
push
for
reform
at
the
OMB
to
push
for
bringing
more
affordable
housing
to
push
for
better
taxation
system.
But
at
the
same
time,
we're
faced
day
in
and
day
out
with
the
daily
decisions
of
an
approval
that
comes
in
front
of
us.
I
Somebody
asking
for
housing
and
at
risk
have
become
homeless
that
you
know
you
have
to
tell
them
to
their
face,
that
you
know.
There's
ninety
thousand
households
on
a
waiting
list,
and
and
and
you
it
just
infuriates
you
because
it's
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
your
you're
working
and
all
those
units
that
we're
still
producing
it's
still
a
drop
in
the
bucket
and
it
takes
years
to
come,
and
you
have
to
face
the
human
side
of
this
argument
and
that's
what
we
face
here
today.
I
It
was
the
human
side
of
the
reform
of
the
OMB
and
the
inequality.
We
face
the
human
face
right
here
that
did
the
impact
that
these
things
has
in
our
neighborhoods
and
in
our
in
our
residents
and
that's
why
it's
it's
it's
a
real,
tough
decision,
but
that
we
can't
lose
the
little
that
that
we
have
today
within
this
application,
while
trying
to
work
for
the
bigger
good.
It's
a
two-track
work
that
needs
to
continue
to
be
done.
We
need
to
continue
having
the
conversations
with
our
community
and
and
I
I
agree
totally
I
wish.
I
Once
again,
you
know
councilor
perks,
you
know
I
know
this
is
a
very
difficult
decision
for
you,
but
once
again
you
you,
you
know
you,
you
did
what
you
deep
inside
felt
it
was
the
right
thing
for
your
community
didn't
matter
how
tough
it
was
and
and
I
think
for
for
that.
All
of
us
in
this
that
do
this
work
in
politics
need
to
thank
you
for
the,
because
we
should
do
that
every
day.
Thank
you.
N
Just
going
to
speak
very
briefly
that
this,
of
course,
is
a
Sophie's
Choice
because
of
the
hand
that
we've
been
dealt
the
OMB
hand,
the
planning
hand
that
we
have
in
the
City
of
Toronto,
where
we're
forced
into
taking
what
we
can
get
rather
than
losing
everything.
I'd
say
that
is
a
Sophie's
Choice.
If
we
didn't
have
the
constraint
of
the
OMB,
if
we
had
the
planning
regime
that
they
have
in
Vancouver,
we
would
not
have
somebody
overseeing
everything
that
we
do
and
able
to
make
decisions.
We
don't
have
that.
N
We
have
another
party
that
oversees
everything
that
we
do,
that
any
developer
can
take
anything
to
at
any
time
and
generally
is
very
successful.
So
that
is
a
sad
again
reminder
that
that's
our
venue,
that's
our
circle!
That's
the
context
in
which
we
work
and
just
as
everybody
here
doesn't
like
that
context.
None
of
us
like
that
context,
except
for
those
who
might
be
representing
developers
here,
who
have
something
and
big
money
that
they're
planning
to
make
in
the
city,
so
social
inclusion
is
so
important
and
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
raising
that.
N
We
don't
hear
that
very
often
here,
I've
heard
that
in
my
community
for
the
less
evil
planning
study
for
our
part
of
coin
Street,
it
actually
is
part
of
our
Leslie
ville
planning
study
the
city
initiated
the
Official
Plan
amendment
to
add
the
shelter
to
the
condo.
There
are
ways
to
do
that,
but
they're
so
few,
but
social
inclusion-
it's
there,
because
just
like
Parkdale
residents
of
the
older
part
of
the
city
feel
very
strongly
about
social
inclusion.
They
see
people
being
swept
out.
N
They
see
businesses
being
closed,
that
cater
to
everyday
people
and
the
poor.
They
see
houses
being
flipped.
They
see
a
community,
that's
changing
in
front
of
their
eyes
and
just
know
what
to
do
and
feel
very
powerless.
So
we've
talked
about
affordable
housing
which
is
not
very
affordable
anymore
in
my
part
of
town
and
I,
don't
know
how
to
get
more,
affordable
housing,
not
more
developer,
driven
big
profit
housing,
but
we
do
have
a
bigger
issue
here.
Omb
reform
is
very
important.
We
shouldn't
give
up
on
social
inclusion
as
part
of
planning.
N
It
wasn't
easy
to
get
social
inclusion
into
the
planning
document.
Our
planning
staff
didn't
think
it
had
a
place
there,
because
that's
not
how
people
think
of
planning.
We
have
to
push
around
the
edges
all
of
us
here,
because
the
developers
don't
want
social
inclusion.
They
simply
want
to
make
money
build
tall
buildings.
We
are
the
voices
to
make
a
difference
for
people
in
the
City
of
Toronto
I.
Don't
know
how
Toronto
and
East
York
Community
Council
can
contribute
to
this
conversation,
but
collectively
we
have
to
find
a
way
to
contribute.
N
You
know
we
deal
with
the
fences
we
deal
with
so
many
little
variances
we're
dealing
with
how
much
density?
What
is
the
setback?
What's
the
angular
plane?
Somehow
we
also
have
to
deal
with
people
and
social
inclusion,
and
we
haven't
done
that
many
times.
You
know.
We've
had
these
meetings
before
we
had
big
casino
meetings
at
City,
Hall
called
by
our
community
council
we've
had
when
they
put
the
fees
up
for
kids.
We
had
big
meetings.
N
Maybe
we
should
just
have
a
big
meeting,
Toronto
and
East
York
meeting
about
social
inclusion
and
how
we're
going
to
bake
that
in
to
development,
because
today
is
such
an
important
day
to
say
whatever
we're
doing
now
isn't
working
for
social
inclusion.
So
my
friends
I'd
like
us
to
think
about
how
we
can
take
a
step
as
well
as
a
committee,
not
in
approving
the
planning.
There's
no
way
around
that
unless
we
lose
everything.
I
think
everybody
understands
that.
N
O
I'll
be
brief
in
my
remarks.
I
first
want
to
take
an
opportunity
to
thank
the
deputies
for
coming
out
I.
In
fact,
looking
and
hearing
up
the
deputies
I
actually
expected
councilor
perks
to
go
and
sit
in
the
deputy's
chair
and
depute
to
us,
because
that's
the
that's
the
gourd
that
I
that
I
know
these
many
years.
But
you
know
he's
made
a
lot
of
great
speeches
in
this
in
this
building
in
this
circle
and
upstairs
in
the
chamber
comments
today,
though,
I
think
were
the
most
spot-on
that
I've
heard
things
like.
O
We
have
a
deep
and
pervasive
crisis
we
haven't
developed.
The
development
and
housing
model
in
this
city
is
broken.
Inclusive
neighborhoods
are
under
siege
all
of
those
things.
We
know
those
things
to
be
true.
We
do
need
OMB
reform
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
reform
we're
gonna
get
is
actually
going
to
be
the
reform
that
we
like,
because
I'm
not
entirely
convinced,
even
that
the
tea
lab
is
going
to
be
to
our
liking.
Once
we
start
to
see,
some
of
the
decisions
that
are
gonna
are
gonna
come
out
of
that,
but
you
know
I'm
made.
K
You
speaker,
this
has
been
I,
think
one
of
the
most
interesting
items
we've
had
on
this
agenda
for
some
time
and
it
has
given
voice
to
a
community
to
express
collectively
the
view
that
planning
can't
be
divorced
or
land-use
planning
should
not
be
divorced
from
social
planning
and
that
the
built
infrastructure
has
to
be
considered
in
the
context
of
the
social
infrastructure
that
that
come.
That
is
needed,
and
that
is
a
question
that
we've
been
struggling
with,
not
just
the
social
infrastructure
but
the
green
space
and
all
the
transit.
K
All
of
the
other
features
that
contribute
to
building
a
healthy
neighborhood
and
a
healthy
City,
and
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
to
deal
with
those
issues
either.
What
do
we
get?
We
get
a
section,
37
contribution
that
is
never
enough
to
do
anything
of
any
real
significance.
We
get
section
42
and
parkland
acquisition
and
I
have
to
say
that
the
both
the
section
37
and
the
parkland
dedication
here
and
the
fact
that
there
is
parkland
included
in
here
was
an
achievement.
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
has
been
noted
and
we
have
development
charges.
K
None
of
this.
None
of
this
can
pay
for
the
kind
of
social
and
green
infrastructure
public
spaces
public
realm
improvements
that
we
need
to
build
a
great
city-
and
you
know
I
heard
and
it's
very
legitimate.
This
is
neighborhood
improvement
area
and
that
should
be
acknowledged
and
we
do
have
a
plan
for
investing
in
those
neighborhoods.
K
But
if
you
look
at
what
we're
investing,
it
is
peanuts
to
what
is
really
required
and,
frankly,
the
affordable.
What
what
is
being
proposed
here
is
to
put
what
amounts
are
available
under
section
37
into
the
greatest
priority,
I
think
that
was
articulated
by
the
community
and
was
articulated
here
today
and
that
was
affordable
housing.
So
the
money
that
we
do
have
that
comes
out
of
the
development
process
is
going
to
affordable
housing.
K
Are
there
other
needs,
I
saw
pre-employment
and
an
equity
impact
approach
or
an
assessment
other
issues
that
should
be
addressed
for
Parkdale?
Yes,
they
should
be
addressed
and
I
hope
that
you'll
stay
engaged,
because
when
the
budget
comes
and
we're
determining
how
much
we're
prepared
to
invest
in
our
neighborhood
improvement
areas
and
in
grants
in
social
and
recreational
infrastructure
and
programming,
you
have
a
voice
and
I
encourage
you
to
come
out
and
talk
about
those
things
as
well
and
I
grief,
counselor
Fletcher.
K
We
have
to
figure
out
a
way
that
uses
the
planning
process
to
talk
about
maintaining
healthy,
downtown
neighborhoods.
We
do
not
want
the
Manhattan
ization
of
Toronto
I
know
it's
happening,
and
all
of
us
know
that
mixed
income
neighborhoods
are
healthy,
neighborhoods
they're,
they
are
the
kind
of
neighborhoods
I.
Think
everyone
around
this
table
wants
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
over
the
long
term.
K
A
You
counselor
anyone
else
to
speak,
no
I
haven't
spoken,
but
dude.
You
like
speak.
Okay,
I'll
just
make
some
some
quick
remarks
as
well.
I
want
to
thank
the
community
for
coming
out
to
provide
us
with
your
your
passioned,
deputations
I
think
that
it
was
a
lesson
for
everyone
in
the
sitting
and
the
chambers
today
to
just
hear
how
incredibly
compassionate
you
were,
and
also
about
how
much
enthusiasm
you
have
for
your
communities.
This
is
not
necessarily
always
the
easy
decision,
but
it's
one
that
we
have
to
make.
A
He
would
would
would
understand
what
that's
going
to
look
like
when
we
have
gone
to
the
board,
where
we
felt
that
we
had
a
strong
case,
including
the
planning
staffs,
that
felt
that
it
was
not
a
good
planning
document
that
it
was
not
a
supportable
application.
We
have
lost,
and-
and
this
is
with
all
the
confidence
of
the
planning
staff
marching
in
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
thinking,
there's
no
way
we
could
lose
because
they
wrote
a
refusal
report.
It
was
not
good
planning,
we
lost
and
we
got
shadows
on
the
park.
A
We
lost,
we
lost
affordable
housing,
we
lost
at
the
OMB
and
we
got
we
lost
streetscape
improvements,
we
lost
the
wider
sidewalks,
we
lost
parkland
additions,
we
lost
heritage
assets
and,
of
course
those
are.
Those
are
battles
that
are
then
felt
by
the
community
for
some
time
to
come
and
that's
with
an
application
that
we
thought
was
a
bad
application.
A
Just
garbage
planning
don't
even
come
in
it's
not
a
tall
building
site
get
out
of
our
face
and
the
OMB
agreed
with
the
developer
and
the
and
the
applicant
prevailed,
and
so
these
OMB
battles
are
real
and
when
counselor,
mallow
and
I
sometimes
stand
up
and
say
we
want
to
be
removed,
Toronto
should
be
removed
from
the
purview
of
the
Ownby.
This
is
what
it
comes
down
to
and
and
when
no
one
should
roll
their
eyes.
A
When
we
actually
make
those
speeches,
because
it
gets
back
down
to
this
critical
issue
of,
why
can
the
city
not
make
local
planning
decisions
and
make
them
stick
and
then
lead
those
local
planning
decisions
with
the
values
that
we
have
councillor
perks
will
be
and
I
asked
him.
What
is
he
planning
to
do
with
the
section
37
fund,
which
actually
goes
back
to
the
local
community?
He's
gonna
be?
A
He
wants
to
purchase
rooming
houses
and
he
wants
to
protect
vulnerable
communities
in
those
rooming
houses
because
they
are,
they
would
be
next
now,
I'll
tell
you
that
there
are
other
councillors
in
across
city
council.
That
would
never
even
think,
never
even
contemplate,
not
even
for
one
second
using
section
37
dollars
to
go
by
rooming
houses
in
their
community
so
that
they
can
keep
them
as
rooming
houses.
A
There
are
other
councillors
they'll
do
everything
they
can
to
get
rid
of
the
rooming
houses,
don't
put
in
a
shelter
don't
put
in
transitional
homes,
don't
put
in
housing
with
supports,
get
it
all
out
of
my
neighborhood.
That's
not
counselor
perks.
Councillor
perks
also
stands
up
on
the
floor
of
Council
and
defends
every
single
dollar
star
on
King
Street.
He
defends
every
single
dollar,
a
chief
watering
hole
where
you
can
go,
get
a
cheap
beer
in
most
other
communities.
A
That
would
just
never
happen
he's
doing
everything
he
can
to
try
to
make
sure
that
Parkdale
retains
its
wonderful
eclectic,
history
and
and
culture,
and
he
does
that
with
tremendous
pressures
coming
in
from
the
restaurant
bar
industry,
with
tremendous
pressures
coming
in
from
the
development
industry
and
so
I'm
very
convinced,
based
on
what
I've
heard
today
that
there
is
no
really
there's
not
another
choice
before
us
and
and
I
will
also
be
supporting
the
recommendations
in
the
staff
report.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
O
A
Okay,
we
are
coming
to
t
28.7
rail
deck
park,
city
city,
initiated
official
plan,
amendment
final
report
or
20
I
recognize
as
staff.
Do
you
have
a
presentation,
I
think
we're
going
to
hear
from
staff
first
and
then
we
will
proceed
to
the
deputies,
any
members
of
the
public.
Who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
item
or
any
other
item
on
the
agenda.
Please
see
the
clerk
and
we'll
update
you
or
I
will
put
your
name
on
the
speaker's
list.
N
K
H
H
As
part
of
that
process,
we've
done
a
whole
range
of
community
engagements.
We've
had
a
total
of
over
500
people
at
2
community
meetings
and
generally
they're
overwhelmingly
support
of
the
rail
deck
park
initiatives.
One
of
the
things
that
came
up
and
I
will
touch
on.
Very
briefly,
is
there
were
many
questions
about
what
about
the
private
development
application?
What
does
that
mean
and
what
is
it?
How
does
it
compare
to
the
park
proposal
that
the
city
is
looking
at
a
couple
of
questions?
H
The
park
rail
deck
park,
as
proposed
in
this
official
plan
amendment,
is
8.8
hectares
that
includes
the
northern
linear
park,
which
the
city
owns
and
mouth
of
the
creek
park,
also
owned
by
the
city.
The
private
proposal
has
said
that
they
will
meet
the
requirements
of
section
42
of
the
Planning
Act,
which
would
generate
in
their
opinion
about
one
point,
four
seven
hectares
of
parkland
with
the
option
for
that
to
be
expanded
through
other
lands
of
the
city
acquired
in
terms
of
what
it
would
look
like
quick
view.
H
Looking
down
telegram
news,
which
is
looking
north
from
the
city,
Place
neighborhood
on
the
left-hand
screen
is
the
park
potential
on
the
right-hand
screen
is
the
development
which
would
be
behind
their
proposed
open
space.
Looking
south
on
Draper
Street,
you
see
the
park,
you
see
the
building
development
which
would
be
fronting
on
to
Front
Street
and
then
looking
west
from
front
street
from
Spadina
the
park
as
potentially
proposed,
and
the
development
which
will
be
front
on
to
Front
Street.
H
Moving
on
one
of
the
main
reasons
for
pursuing
this
is
because
of
the
amount
of
growth.
That's
happened
in
the
downtown.
There's
rail
deck
park
proposed
in
the
yellow
in
this
slide,
and
you
can
see
the
change
in
the
amount
of
development
in
the
city
over
the
last
10
years.
This
is
the
real
impetus
for
us
needing
to
have
a
new
large
park
in
the
downtown.
H
Today
we
have
about
seven
large
park
serve
in
the
downtown
area
with
a
very
strongly
growing
population,
which
is
expressed
by
the
fact
that
the
downtown
has
a
less
than
a
third
of
the
parkland
provision
of
the
city.
Looking
at
as
a
whole,
this
is
really
just
one
of
our
heat
maps
you
can
see.
The
darker
orange
is
where
we
have
below
parkland
provision
in
the
downtown
area
as
of
today,
and
that
obviously
is
changing
becoming
less
rail
deck
park.
You
can
see
towards
the
bottom
of
the
slide
in
the
blue.
H
Do
the
research
we've
done
has
shown.
This
really
is
the
last
opportunity
for
us
to
achieve
a
large
park
in
the
downtown.
We
have
achieved
a
number
of
small
parks
through
development
applications,
but
for
something
over
three
hectares.
This
really
is
our
last
chance.
It
means
we
have
a
place
where
we
can
do
many
things
in
one
large
park
and
that
people
can
gather
and
carry
out
many
activities.
H
H
So
the
output
of
all
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
year
is
a
proposal
for
a
new
secondary
plan
area
called
the
rail
deck
park
secondary
plan.
It
includes
the
rail
corridor
at
the
existing
northern
linear
park
and
the
mouth
of
the
creek
park.
It
excludes
the
Metrolink
site,
but
obviously
will
be
closely
connected
to
the
proposed
RER
station
at
the
front
and
Spadina
visual
plan
amendment
effectively
creates
this
new
secondary
plan,
carving
it
out
of
the
existing
railway
lands
planning
framework,
designates
the
entire
site
as
parks
and
open
space.
H
The
major
policies
in
the
plan
focus
on
a
vision
of
this
as
being
a
major
signature
Park
for
the
city,
the
region
and
for
visitors
to
the
region,
and
then
we
have
five
major
objectives.
Identifying
this
as
a
park
for
all
of
Toronto
for
the
residents
in
the
community.
Connectivity
and
accessibility
are
key
element
of
the
park.
H
Not
only
do
we
connect
north
to
south
to
the
downtown
communities
in
the
waterfront,
but
it
provides
one
of
the
missing
links
in
the
stitch
that
we've
been
talking
through
about
3
3,
Optio
core
on
connecting
to
the
east
and
the
west.
Also,
the
third
objective
is
creating
a
place
where
we
can
have
major
celebrations.
H
As
a
city,
one
of
the
important
elements
will
be
creating
that
green
infrastructure
creating
a
very
sustainable
park
that
helps
to
address
some
of
the
challenges
that
we're
facing
as
a
city
and
then
we're
going
to
deal
with
supporting
and
integrating
rail
there's
nothing
that
this
park
will
do
based
on
the
work
we've
done.
That
will
interfere
with
a
Union
Station
rail
corridor
in
the
commuter
rail
into
the
side
of
the
city.
H
And
finally,
we
want
to
acknowledge
the
importance
of
the
rail
corridor
in
the
history
of
the
railways
to
the
to
the
growth
of
Toronto.
So
the
future
we're
hoping
that
we're
we
learn't
protect
for
by
approving
a
new
official
plan.
Amendment
is
that
we
could
have
a
place
like
this
in
the
downtown
looking
from
Bathurst
Street
and
a
new
piece
of
green
infrastructure
through
the
center
of
the
city,
which
becomes
one
of
the
general
a
generational
opportunities
for
the
city
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
M
The
needs
of
Toronto
the
density,
the
growth
that's
been
going
on
in
their
immediate
area.
I
live
on
550,
Front
Street.
So
what
will
happen
to
my
view
is
I
will
not
have
one
because
I'm,
south-facing
and
I
actually
bought
this
home,
because
there
would
be
no
possibility
of
development
in
front
of
me
and
because
we
grow
a
garden
and
now
we
would
be
losing
all
of
that.
M
We'll
have
no
sunlight
and
we
will
have
no
sky
and
thank
you
for
consecration
made
a
very
impassioned
presentation
at
the
Renaissance
Hotel
and
we
are
very
Pro
pro
real
deck
Park.
We
apparently
have
over
4,000.
We
see
now
1017
signatures
currently
on
change.org,
that
is
supporting
the
rail
deck
park
and
where
we
are
rising
by
the
5
minute.
So
this
is
something
that
is
very,
very
important
to
all
of
us
in
my
community
and
the
buildings
in
our
neighborhood,
as
well
as
straight
per
street,
and
I
hear
a
lot
of
what's
going
on
here.
M
As
far
as
the
hand
tied
behind
your
back
and
at
first
I
thought
of
it
as
sort
of
is
our
complacency.
Is
there
a
little
bit
of
cow
towing
to
the
OMB,
but
I
think
now
that
I've
heard
all
of
you
speak?
This
is
not
really
the
case.
I
did
I
did
email.
Quite
a
few
of
my
politicians
in
the
councillor
Crecy
you've
heard
from
me:
sue
McHale,
playing
the
city
planner
and
thank
you
too
doc.
M
Councillor
Cressey
that
you
I
I
thought
that
first
a
little
bit
disappointed
that
you
did
pass
me
along
to
the
to
the
Member
of
Parliament
mr.
hand-on,
but
I
I
took
your
advice.
So
I
got
a
letter
here
from
Han
dong,
NPP
420d
Spadina
dated
October
24th,
and
maybe
this
might
be
the
be
the
solution
to
all
everyone's
problems,
hopefully
in
the
future,
the
what
is
before
the
house
right
now
is
a
bill
of
139
building,
better
communities
and
conserving
watersheds
Act
2017.
A
M
I
So
the
downtown
is
one
of
the
lowest
parkland
areas
is
the
highest
I,
guess
deficient
area
as
having
the
lowest
parkland
quantum
and,
in
large
part,
that's
because
about
90
percent
of
the
sites
in
the
downtown
are
small
sites
under
half
a
hectare
so
getting
on
site.
Parkland
contributions
really
isn't
feasible
because
the
the
site
the
park
would
be
too
small.
I
Then
we
revert
to
our
cash
and
loop
policies
which
frankly,
are
about
10
years
old
and
and
we
have
a
cap
that
limits
the
contributions
from
cash
and
LU,
and
we
have
a
competitive,
expensive
land
market
in
the
downtown
you
put
all
of
those
together
and
you
have
difficulty
finding
sites
that
are
large
enough.
As
as
Anna's
McDonald
said,
there's
very
few
sites
over
a
hectare
in
the
downtown
for
us
to
purchase
the
need
for
a
large
site
is
quite
important.
I
We're
able
to
get
pops
and
very
small
Park
hats,
and
so
the
downtown
not
only
has
a
park
land
need,
but
it
has
in
particular,
it
has
a
large
park
land
need.
So
with
that
intensification
and
growth
that
we've
seen
and
with
the
projected
growth
in
terms
of
a
doubling
of
the
downtown
population,
hence
you
have
the
park,
land
needs
and
the
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
grow.
That
infrastructure
align.
Thank.
J
Thank
you
through
you,
chair
to
to
City
Planning.
So
last
year,
council
directed
city
staff
to
pursue
two
tracks.
One
was
to
proceed
with
looking
at
the
costing
the
engineering,
the
structural
analysis,
the
phasing
approach
for
rail
deck,
Park
and
I
understand
that
is
coming
forward
in
a
report
to
Executive
Committee
later
this
month.
Is
that
correct,
that's
correct.
I
J
J
J
L
I
I
You
know
I
would
say
that
what
our
priority
had
been
in
the
downtown
to
look
at
advancing
the
parkland
along
the
waterfront
and
basically
in
building
some
of
those
connections
and
those
opportunities
have
come
to
fruition
and
the
downtown
has
grown
significantly.
Growth,
50
grown
50,000
in
the
past
five
years.
That's
unprecedented
in
terms
of
the
rate
of
growth
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
city
and
even
GTA
have.
L
There
ever
been
any
like
specific
recommendations
from
staff
about
how
to
fund
this,
so
that
if
we
are
able
to
see
it
through
to
fruition,
because
I've
heard
you
know,
I've
heard
the
mayor,
for
example-
make
announcements
about
how
this
is
a
priority.
This
is
important,
but
I've
never
heard
like,
and
this
is
what
we're
to
fund
it.
Are
there
any
kind
of
rational
functional
steps
that
we
can
take
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
just
talk
about
it,
but
we
actually
see
it
through
to
fruition
that.
I
A
H
It's
effectively
it's
an
official
plan.
Amendments
are
you
and
what
it
does
is
it's.
It
redesign
AIT's
the
air
above
the
rail
corridor
to
allow
for
a
park
to
protect
for
a
park
use
but
still
allows
all
of
the
transportation
function
of
the
rail
corridor
to
continue
to
exist
so
that
we
don't
affect
that
at
all.
There's.
H
City
owns,
there
are
certain
parcels
that
we
own.
The
majority
of
the
rail
corridor
itself,
is
owned
by
Metro
links
at
ground
level
or
a
track
level.
The
city
owns
land
to
the
north
front
street
and
then
there's
a
fourteen
foot
strip
to
the
south
of
Front
Street
owned
by
us.
We
actually
own
the
air
that
the
puente
de
luz
sits
in
and
then
on
the
southern
side.
H
A
Does
the
city
have
the
I
mean?
Are
we
able
to
initiate
OPA
amendments
properties
that
are
not
our
own?
Is
it
because
this
is
actually
very
interesting
to
me
from
a
technical
point
of
view,
I'm
just
curious
to
know
if
I,
if
there's
a
big
parking
lot
in
in
my
local
community,
can
I
ask
you
to
initiate
a
city
Opie
on
that
parking
lot,
even
though
we
don't
own
the
lands
to
protect,
protect
it
one
day
for
for
affordable
housing,
for
example,
that.
A
So,
thank
you
very
much,
and
so
just
a
my
final
question
and
I
don't
want
to
keep
on
this
for
too
long.
Can
you
help
me
reconcile
the
difference
between
the
application
that's
gone
in
that
has
gone
in
for
that
for
the
private
development
known
as
known
as
pits
versus
what
we
are
doing
today,
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
the
two
line
up
together.
H
So
there
are
two
different
applications,
so
we
have
the
city
initiated
application,
which
was
councils
request
that
we
look
at
this
area
becoming
a
major
park
and
that's
the
report
you
have
before
you.
The
private
application
is
still
under
review
effectively.
What
they're
proposing
is
that
there
be
private
development
along
the
northern
side
of
the
rail
corridor.
Basically,
if
you,
if
you
split
it
down
the
middle
east
to
west,
there
would
be
private
development,
residential
and
office
on
the
northern
side
and
that
it
still
leaves
the
southern
half
is
potentially
being
open
space
or
parkland.
H
A
Final
question
is
that
if
the
Opa
amendment
goes
through,
the
rotary
community
council
successfully
on
its
way
to
City
Council
City
Council
adopts
that
there
is
no
challenge
that
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
Does
that
mean
that
the
Pips
application
is
then
deemed
as
redundant,
because,
obviously,
if
we
once
we've
created
a
you
know,
designated
green
on
the
green
space,
they
can
tell
we
can't
be
processing
their
application
anymore.
H
J
Well,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
our
city
staff
for
the
work
on
this.
If
you
took
the
time
to
look
at
the
report,
it
is
102
pages
for
this
OPA.
That's
the
level
of
study,
depth
and
analysis
that
has
gone
into
the
development
in
the
recommendation
towards
this
OPA
and
I
want
to
thank
our
city
staff
for
all
their
hard
work.
I
also
want
to
recognize
and
thank
the
thousands
of
residents
you
heard
from
one
deputy
here
today
who
alluded
to
the
one
petition:
that's
out
there
of
just
local
residents.
J
They
started
a
petition,
I
discovered
it
after
2000
people
had
signed
it,
but
to
the
thousands
of
residents
who
have
emailed,
who
have
called
who've,
attended
our
formal
meetings
on
this
OPA
and
as
well
I
want
to
recognize
the
chair,
Parkson
Environment,
who
has
been
at
most
of
these
meetings
herself
coming
into
downtown
for
the
Mary
councillor,
McMahon
I
I,
will
just
say.
First
of
all,
in
this
room,
I
don't
have
to
convince
colleagues
of
the
importance
writ
large
of
parks
and
public
spaces
to
livability
and
sustainability.
J
We
all
live
and
breathe
that
work
in
this
room.
Here
and
as
you
all
know,
these
spaces
become
even
more
critical
and
important
as
we
increasingly
live
in
vertical
communities,
because
these
spaces
become
the
backyards
in
the
living
rooms
and
play
rooms
of
families.
So
why
are
we
doing
this?
Why
are
we
doing
an
OPA
right
now?
Simply
this
is
about
protecting
and
building
for
the
future.
That's
what
this
is.
This
is
an
OPA,
so
why
are
we
protecting
and
building
for
the
future?
J
15
years
ago,
the
population
of
downtown
Toronto
encompassing
Ward's
27,
28
and
ward
20,
was
113
thousand
people.
Today
it
is
250,000
people,
that's
a
doubling
in
15
years,
in
25
years
it
will
be
half
a
million
people
doubling
yet
again-
and
this
is
as
the
OPA
the
proposed
OPA
is
outlined-
the
last
remaining
opportunity
in
all
of
downtown
for
a
large,
continuous
signature,
public
space
and
our
public
spaces.
J
Yes,
we
need
pocket
parks,
they're
important
for
livability,
but
the
large
signature,
a
large
public
space
is
to
have
passive
and
active
animation,
serve
a
different
purpose,
not
just
for
neighborhoods
and
community
building,
but
certainly
for
citywide
building
from
a
destination
point
of
view.
There
is
not
21
acres
anywhere
else
unless
we
start
tearing
down
buildings
to
assemble
them,
to
create
21
acres
in
downtown,
it
doesn't
exist,
and
thus
we
have
to
be
creative,
and
so
what's
in
front
of
us
today
is
simply
the
OPA.
J
This
is
a
long
process
as
we're
aware,
but
today
is
about
adopting
the
OPA
to
designate
the
rail
corridor,
the
land
above
the
air
and
the
land
above
the
tracks,
as
parks
and
open
space,
to
allow
the
continuous
movement
of
trains
accurate.
Later
this
month,
a
report
will
be
coming
forward,
as
council
is
directed
to
the
executive
committee,
which
looks
at
engineering
structural
analysis,
details
costing
phasing
the
funding
sources
that
I'm
glad
councillor
Matt
Lowe
has
brought
up,
because
these
ideas
can't
come
out
of
thin
air.
J
They
have
to
be
driven
through
prioritization,
and
so
we
will
see
that
coming
forward
later
this
month
and
you've
seen
102
pages
here
on
the
OPA.
Wait
until
you
see
how
many
pages
are
coming
in
those
collective
reports.
So
the
adoption
by
community
council
today,
and
hopefully
by
council
next
month
of
the
proposed
OPA,
does
not
mean
that
rail
deck
park
will
be
built
tomorrow,
doesn't
mean
that
it
will
be
built
in
two
years.
Anything.
J
J
We
are
making
a
decision
today
to
protect
the
potential
for
rail
deck
park
to
come
into
the
existence
in
the
future
by
virtue
of
its
new
designation
as
parkland,
so
I
know,
this
is
a
big
project
and
we
will
have
many
more
discussions
and
debates.
Certainly
I
know.
Toronto
is
growing
as
we
all
do
and
we
critically
need
to
invest
in
our
parks
and
open
spaces,
just
as
we
need
to
invest
in
affordable
in
transit.
This
cannot
be
an
either-or
equation.
J
L
So,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
acknowledge
councillor
crises.
Leadership
on
on
this
priority
and
I
support
this
being
a
priority
for
every
reason
that
I
will
reiterate
the
councillor
cressie
spoke
about
in
I
too
in
areas
like
the
Yonge
and
Eglinton
area,
which
is
incredibly
deficient
in
park.
Space
are
always
struggling
to
look
for
every
inch
of
land
that
we
can
dedicate
to
green
space.
We've
been
successful,
but
we
need
a
lot
more
and
the
same
goes
rings
true
for
the
downtown
residents,
but
I
want
to
bring
up.
L
This
may
sound
odd,
but
I
want
to
bring
up
centipedes
and
butterflies.
The
reason
I
refer
to
centipedes
and
butterflies
is
because
you
know,
there's
the
old
saying
about
the
you
know
the
left
hand
doesn't
know
what
the
right
hand
is
doing
in
the
city.
It's
like
a
centipede,
not
knowing
what
its
many
hands
and
feet.
Don't
you
don't
know
what
they're
doing
and
they're
not
working
in
concert
with
each
other.
L
We,
our
leadership,
is
saying
on
one
hand
we
need
to.
We
need
more
money
for
affordable
housing.
We
need
to
build
the
relief
subway
line
to
decrease
the
congestion
that
we
currently
have
in
our
existing
subway
system,
and
now
we
need
to
move
forward
on
in
critically
important
public
realm
initiatives
like
rail
deck
Park.
The
other
hand
is
that
council
is
deliberately
wasting
billions
of
dollars
on
one
subway:
stop
in
Scarborough
in
lieu
of
a
fully
funded
plan
to
provide
more
transit
for
more
people
for
far
fewer
dollars.
L
What
we've
done,
those
who
facilitate
that
politically
driven
project
is
that
we
have
now
raised
our
debt
by
billion
dollars.
We've
increased
taxes,
property
taxes
to
fund
something
that
is
unnecessary
when
there
was
a
better
plan
for
those
residents
and
speaking
of
the
debt
we've
now
scratched
our
city's
self-imposed
debt
ceiling.
L
Why
is
what
I'm
saying
in
order
on
this
subject,
because
when
we
make
those
decisions-
and
this
comes
to
the
butterfly,
the
effect
is-
is
that
then
we
have
fewer
dollars
for
our
actual
priorities,
whether
it
be
public
realm
or
transit
or
housing,
or
all
the
other
things
that
we've
debated
today
we
said
we
can't
have
it
both
ways.
We
either
be
responsible
with
every
dollar.
L
L
That's
what's
happening
today,
so
my
challenge
to
all
of
us
as
a
council
is
that
if
we
want
to
see
rail
deck
parks
through
to
fruition
to
create
one
of
the
greatest
legacy
public
realm
projects
in
Toronto's
history,
then
we
cannot
deliberately
blow
billions
of
dollars
on
politically
driven
projects.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
I
again
want
to
commend
staff
on
all
their
hard
work
on
this
living
and
breathing
and
eating
this
file,
and
councillor
cressie,
who
is
I've,
seen
him
in
action
he's
something
to
be
seen
at
community
consultations,
very
passionate,
but
the
extensive
outreach
that's
been
done
on
this
project
already
on
this
idea
loudly
and
clearly
is
telling
us
about
the
need
for
green
in
downtown,
and
you
heard
from
staff
as
to
how
how
parkland
deprived
the
downtown
is
in
sometimes
when
we're
in
our
own
pockets.
M
We
don't
realize
that
in
wonderful,
Ward
32
were
very
spoiled.
We
have
a
beach,
a
lake
that
you
can
actually
swim
in
and
about
25
parks,
so
come
on
down
to
our
neck
of
the
woods
for
some
green,
but
let's
also
support
green
and
other
in
other
areas.
As
you
see
on
the
screen
once-in-a-lifetime
opportunity
for
this,
it's
not
a
new
idea.
Chicago
has
Millennium
Park
New
York
City
has
High
Park
or
I
park,
High
Line,
and
it
it's
been
done
before
I'm
sure
there
was
controversy
over
those
large-scale
green
spaces,
but
they
they
exist.
M
A
Thank
You
councillor
any
other
members.
Okay,
we
have
the
recommendations
before
us,
move
by
councillor
Krusty,
all
those
in
favor.
Yes
counselor.
You
can.
Please
indicate
your
support.
Councillor
Davis
councillor
mehak
councillor
crusty
councillor
wanton
councillor,
fracas
councillor,
Laden,
councillor
parks,
counselor
troi,
see
councillor
mat
low,
councillor
Rickman.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
B
Madam
chair,
before
we
begin
deputations
I'd
like
to
move
to
refer
this
item
to
staff,
to
report
back
in
the
first
quarter
of
2019
on
a
consultation
strategy
for
the
Official
Plan
amendment
that
includes
55
the
Esplanade
and
one
Church
Street
residents.
Why
I
mention
this
is
because
I
know
there
are
people
here
who
want
to
do
depute,
because
this
is
a
statutory
planning
meeting.
I
understand
that
any
person
who
speaks
at
this
meeting
would
not
be
able
to
speak
when
the
item
comes
back
up.
B
A
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
in
the
chambers
is
aware
of
what
is
happening
at
this
point
in
time.
So
counselor
Troi's
ii
would
like
to
refer
this
item
yep
and
and
there's
a
request
for
the
speakers
who
have
been
waiting
to
perhaps
wait
a
little
bit
longer.
You
will
have
an
opportunity
to
come
back
when
this
item
is
before
this
committee.
Again
first
quarter
of
2019
after
some
additional
work
is
done
with
staff.
A
D
A
Opposed
that
carries
thank
you
very
much
cool
te,
28.9
140
window
when
neva
Avenue
official
plan
and
zoning
amendment
application
final
report.
We
have
a
speaker,
Tim
Jessup,
Tim,
Jessup,
Weston,
consulting
okay,
seeing
none
are
there
any
other
members
of
the
public
who
are
here
to
speak
to
this
item?
A
A
A
M
And
you
will
recall
this
and
especially
comes
at
perks
because
he
was
concerned
about
this.
So
we
are
it's
my
church
in
the
beach
that
has
faced
beside
them.
They'd
like
to
do
a
parking
lot.
So
now
they
are.
They
like
to
now
they're
reconsidering
the
initial
idea
and
they're
going
to
work
with
tunnel
parking
authority
as
per
our
recommendation
so
I'd
last.
You
support
on
that
to
revisit
it
refer
back
to
planning,
as
per
the
recommendations,
staff,
rec.
A
Are
you
moving
the
recommendations
in
the
supplementary
report?
Yes,
okay!
Thank
you
very
much,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
Rex
and
the
supplementary
report.
Okay,
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you,
te
28
point,
10,
3,
sorry,
413,
435,
row,
Hampton,
Avenue
official
plan,
amendment,
zoning
amendment,
rental,
housing,
demolition,
applications,
request
for
directions
report.
We
do
have
speakers
Dean
wise
Dean.
Are
you
here
followed
by
Carlin,
Webb,
hello,
nice
to
see
you
you'll
have
five
minutes
when
you're
ready
the
clock
is
on
your
left-hand
side?
Okay,.
Q
Q
Q
We
have
a
developer
who's,
never
going
to
live
on
the
street
and
doesn't
care
about
the
impact
of
his
money-making
venture
will
have
on
the
community,
and
our
area
is
not
in
the
primary
growth
area,
and
yet
he
strongly
wants
to
put
in
what
appears
to
be
an
apartment,
complex,
my
concerns.
First,
all
there
are
ten
semies.
Eight
of
them
have
sold
to
this
developer,
we're
fortunate
to
have
a
long
backlog
that
is
all
green
space
and
trees.
Q
If
this
is
put
in,
then
we
no
longer
have
a
place,
an
enjoyment
of
our
our
yards,
the
wildlife
will
disappear
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
might
not
consider
this,
but
we
do
have
a
row
of
apartment
buildings
facing
Eglinton
which
are
between
us
and
Eglinton,
and
all
of
the
people
living
in
those
apartments
enjoy
that
space
also
which
will
disappear
if
there,
if
the
their
proposal
for
35
town,
stock,
townhouses
and
two-story
houses
goes
through.
What
that
really
means
is
on
our
block
alone.
Q
The
second
point
about
this:
traditionally
we
do
get
water
runoff
in
the
spring
and
with
heavy
water
fall
or
rainfall.
It
collects
in
the
lower
parts
of
this
back
space
once
these
are
in
or
once
they've
put
in
the
45
car
parking
lot.
Underneath
the
this
structure
I'm
not
sure
where
their
water
will
go,
but
I'm
sure
some
of
it
will
definitely
collect
in
our
back
yard
and
further
west
at
the
other
end
of
this
development,
because
we
already
have
a
problem
with
our
infrastructure
isn't
able
to
handle
the
drainage
issues.
Q
This
could
cause
and
I'm
I
think
the
developer
might
be
aware
of
this.
But
long
ago
we
had
a
stream.
This
is
probably
in
the
20s
that
came
through
our
area
and
the
solution
was
to
bury
the
stream,
so
there's
already
a
lot
of
water
under
there
and
I
think
it
would
cost
a
lot
more.
Maybe
than
this
developer
might
be
willing
to
invest,
to
put
a
correct
solution
to
this
problem.
So
I
think
where
I've
always
wanted
a
swimming
pool,
but
I
don't
think
this
is
how
I
want
to
approach
it.
Q
My
second
point
is
directed
at
the
streetscape
on
our
on
Roehampton
40
years
ago,
when
my
husband
and
I
moved
in
it
was
a
regular,
typical
neighborhood.
We
raised
our
kids,
we
knew
our
neighbors
and
it
was
lovely
to
have
that
little
space
and
yet
be
able
to
walk
one
Street
over
to
Edmonton
and
go
shopping.
Our
kids
could
walk
to
school.
Q
It's
actually
turned
into
a
bit
of
an
oasis
for
the
increasing
number
of
apartment
dwellers
and
the
condo
owners
that
are
ex
multiplying
at
the
young
Eddington
core,
and
these
people
are
enjoying
our
residential
streets
while
taking
their
kids
to
the
park
and
school
and
going
shopping,
and
this
adds
a
vibrancy
to
their
in
our
lives.
I
I
love
the
idea
when
somebody
can
walk
down
the
street.
It's
sunny.
We've
got
lots
of
shade
trees,
conversations
easy.
Q
A
E
You
good
afternoon
my
family
that
I
have
lived
on
Roehampton
for
more
than
11
years.
My
house
will
be
right
across
from
the
proposed
development.
We're
happy.
The
City
Planning
Division
opposes
the
proposed
development.
The
neighborhood
should
be
designed
properly
according
to
city
bylaws.
We
all
know
the
developers
are
seizing
on
the
provincial
policy
of
intensifying
development
along
Eglinton
LRT
line,
but
the
way
happy
now
parks,
schools
and
take
care
spaces.
Do
we
have
enough
green
spaces?
The
questions
can
go
on
and
on.
E
We
just
do
not
have
the
infrastructure
and
amenities
yet
to
support
more
girls.
The
fate
of
this
proposed
development
is
now
in
the
hands
of
OMB.
We
need
all
the
councillors
so
forth.
We
need
all
the
support
we
can
get
from
the
city,
solicitor
and
the
city
staff.
To
make
sure
OMB
will
also
oppose
the
proposed
development.
The
size
of
the
proposed
development
should
be
modified
and
reduced
to
fit
with
our
community.
We
do
not
want
this
proposed
development
to
set
a
negative
precedent
for
the
future.
A
Q
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
just
like
to
say
to
the
councillors
and
madam
chairman,
thank
you
for
your
patience
in
listening
to
us
today.
I
know,
I'm,
exhausted
and
I
haven't
done
anything.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I'm
a
17
year
old,
a
17
year
resident
of
Roehampton
Avenue
and
I,
have
paid
parking
afforded
me
by
the
city.
When
I
first
drove
down
Roehampton
to
look
at
my
house,
it
was
filled
with
trees
and
it
was
quiet
and
I
know.
We
have
to
change
I
used
to
work
in
the
field.
B
Excuse
me
of
change,
management
and
I.
Understand
it
pretty
well,
but
what
I'm
really
struggling
with
again
is
is
the
nature
of
that
change,
that,
in
terms
of
the
capacity
or
the
overdevelopment
of
this
proposal,
it
will
be
much
higher
than
any
of
our
residential
buildings,
and
we
do
have
residential
buildings
on
the
street,
not
apartment
buildings.
It
there
will
be
35
units
from
six
units.
Sorry,
eight
units
to
35
units
going
into
that
property
dumping.
B
Probably
an
equal
number
of
cars
and
traffic
onto
the
street,
which
is
already
increased
tremendously,
so
I
have
concerns
about
that
parking.
Although
I
have
permit
parking,
that's
only
for
overnight
and
often
even
then,
it's
difficult
to
try
and
get
my
car
in
a
little
spot
and
I
can't
imagine
what
it's
going
to
be
like
if
we
have
a
residence
like
this
or
an
apartment
building
and
all
the
additional
cars
afford
it
or
trying
to
find
places
on
that
street,
even
though
they
are
allowing
for
some
parking
I'm.
B
Also
questioning
that
we're
going
to
the
OMB.
At
this
point,
and
having
heard
you
speak
about
this
earlier,
I
have
some
really
strong
concerns.
We've
had
no
opportunity
for
input
to
even
adopt
the
plan.
There
was
one
meeting
and
now
it's
going
to
the
OMB,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know
if
we're
really
trying
to
retain
our
neighborhoods.
We
had
should
have
some
say
as
to
how
that
goes
forward.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
questions
of
the
speaker?
Seeing
none
are
there
any
other
members
of
the
public
or
here
to
speak,
I
will
call
upon
or
Dean
wise
one
more
time,
Dean
wise,
okay,
seeing
none
will
bring
this
into
community
council
members
with
questions
of
staff,
seeing
none
members
to
speak,
Kallstrom
allo,
so.
L
Begin
with
moving
the
staff
recommendations
to
send
the
city,
solicitor
and
relevant
staff
to
the
Ontario,
Municipal
Board,
and
the
reason
I
do
so
is
that
the
planning
report
speaks
for
itself.
This
is
clearly
in
over
development
of
this
site.
It
flies
in
the
face
of
our
official
plan
in
so
many
ways
just
cited
by
the
deputies
and
and
it
threatens
the
very
stability.
L
An
apartment
building
of
this
size
with
with
back-to-back
stacked
townhouses,
threatens
the
stability
of
the
neighbourhood
and
and
clearly
adversely
impacts
the
character
and
the
quality
of
life
of
the
residents
treat
and
the
quality
of
life
for
the
residents
who
live
on
this
I
just
want
to
say
a
little
bit
just
very
briefly,
but
just
for
a
moment
about
even
just
the
experience
the
one
has
on
Roehampton,
it's
very
true
and
I.
The
residents
spoke
to
this,
how
closer
to
Yonge
and
Eglinton
within
the
urban
growth
centre.
It's
an
apartment,
neighbourhood,
it's
busy
its
growing.
L
It's
feels
like
a
perpetual
construction
zone
and
then,
if
you
get
a
little
bit
east
of
Mount
Pleasant
as
you
get
towards
Rawlinson,
it's
a
staple
neighborhood
and
where
we
have
the
northern
secondary,
feel
school
feel
at
which
we,
which
we
invested
in
to
make
it
into
a
publicly
accessible
quasi
green
space.
And
then
just
down
the
street
towards
Bayview.
You've
got
the
Shalimar.
L
Park,
which
we
just
built
a
new
playground
out
and
all
the
neighbors
know
each
other.
It's
it's
a
very
close-knit
community
and
they're,
depending
on
us
to
stand
up
for
our
official
plan
and
support
the
staff
recommendations.
So
therefore,
I
know
that
you
will
and
I
appreciate
your
support
today.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
councillor
any
other
speakers
seeing
none
there's
the
recommendations
in
the
report
in
front
of
us
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you
very
much
te
28-point
1166
Wellesley,
Street,
East
and
5
5
to
570
Church,
Street
and
city
own
public
Lane
official
plan
and
zoning
amendment
and
rental
housing
demolition
applications
refusal
report.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
here
to
speak
to
this
item?
A
A
J
Yes,
thank
you,
I'm
gonna,
move
staff
recommendations
and
I
just
like
to
note
because
this
comes
up
around
here.
Quite
often,
this
is
a
batch
listing
of
94
properties,
which
would
be
Naik
identified
as
contributing
within
King
Spadina.
These
are
the
same
properties
that
we
put
in
place,
an
interim
Control
bylaw
for
a
Heritage
study,
bylaw
last
December,
which
is
coming
to
a
close
next
month
with
this
addition
to
the
registry
today
we're
going
to
ensure
that
they're
protected
going
forward.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
any
any
questions
of
the
mover.
It's
basically
staff
recommendations,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed,
seeing
none
that
carries
okay,
we're
on
T
or
still
we're
at
11
o'clock
items
te
twenty-eight
point:
thirteen
residential
demolition
applications,
sixty-five
Ontario
Street
speakers.
We
have
a
gentleman
by
name
of
Tom
Helen
scheme,
welcome.
R
Good
afternoon,
and
with
me,
is
mr.
jazzy
Khurana,
who
acts
as
our
clients
consultant
we're
here
for
a
bell:
East
Corp,
which
is
the
owner
and
the
applicant
I'll,
be
brief,
because
I
know
that
the
members
have
my
letter
dated
yesterday
came
in
late
yesterday
afternoon,
it's
in
the
additional
communications
receipt
package
and
it
outlines
our
clients
request.
It
also
encloses
two
structural
engineers,
structural
engineer
and
a
geotechnical
engineers
report
that
pertains
to
this
matter.
R
Quite
simply,
our
client
is
asking
for
a
demolition
permit
for
a
single
house
on
its
property
ahead
of
the
the
issuance
of
a
full
replacement
building
permit.
Our
client
has
obtained
approvals
under
the
Planning
Act
is
now
executed,
the
site
plan
agreement
and
has
applied
for
those
replacement
building
permits.
They
just
haven't
been
issued
to
date.
The
goal
of
municipal
code,
chapter
363,
which
is
the
reason
that
we're
here,
is
to
make
sure
that
houses
aren't
torn
down
without
a
replacement
being
built
in
in
due
course.
That's
the
opposite
of
what's
happening
here.
R
R
As
you
see
from
the
letters
attached
to
my
letter,
that
is,
that's
not
only
feasible
but
as
asthma
climate
rock
has
indicated
is
a
rather
routine
procedure
for
structural
engineers.
Their
conclusions
are
that
there
will
be
no
damage
that
as
long
as
things
are
done
in
the
the
process
outline
in
the
engineer's
letter,
the
demolition
isn't
going
to
not
only
cause
any
damage,
it's
not
going
to
cause
any
settling
or
any
effect
on
the
adjacent
structures.
A
A
B
C
B
Even
though
this
application,
this
application
is
technically
to
approve
demolition
without
a
replacement
building,
in
fact,
the
applicant
is
very
close
to
satisfying
that
condition.
Correct,
that's
correct
and,
in
your
experience,
are
the
undertakings
promised
by
the
applicants
to
address
concerns
about
possible
effects
of
demolition,
appropriate
standard
practices.
In
these
circumstances,
they.
B
A
A
A
request
from
staff
to
withdraw
this
report
is
that
correct
counselor
for
the
item.
Councillor
Fletcher
is
moving
it
all
those
in
favor
withdrawal,
okay,
any
opposed
I,
don't
see
any
that
is
withdrawals,
te
28
point
15
request
for
a
fence
exemption
to
the
Toronto
Municipal
Code
Chapter,
four,
four,
seven
53
for
manna,
Avenue
or
14.
I
So
we
proceeded
to
build
a
fence
on
either
side
of
our
deck.
We
demolished
our
deck
originally
and
built
two
fences
on
either
side,
as
you
can
see
in
this
picture,
and
there
will
be
more
pictures
coming
up.
It
is
completely
in
line
with
the
extension
of
our
neighbor's
house
on
our
west
side,
which
is
55
for
Amana
Avenue.
I
I
This
was
an
email.
I
will
highlight
the
writing.
I
know
it's
very
small
you'll
be
able
to
see
it
in
one
moment
this
was
an
email
sent
to
Jim
and
Marilyn
our
neighbors
at
53
for
55
for
mana
I'm,
June,
9
2016,
and
there
were
a
couple
clauses
in
there
first
as
well.
The
back
storage
room
that
sits
on
our
deck
was
built
without
a
permit
and
is
rotten
below
it.
Under
the
deck
is
a
pile
of
wood
and
other
damp
debris
with
live,
wires
and
uncap
pipe
that
extend
into
the
house.
I
The
deck
is
also
unsound
and
dangerous
due
to
extensive
rotting.
This
was
also
confirmed
by
a
report
Jim
you
had
mentioned
the
aluminum
siding
on
the
side
of
your
extension
that
will
become
even
more
prominent
on
our
side.
Once
we
remove
the
storage
room,
we
will
be
putting
up
some
sort
of
lattice
along
the
side
and
a
fence
and
we'll
be
happy
to
review
the
plan
with
you
before
anything
is
purchased
or
installed,
which
we
did.
I
We
outlined
all
of
the
work
that
was
going
to
take
place.
We
sent
all
of
our
plans,
we
included,
removing
and
rebuilding
of
the
deck
and
garage
both
are
rotten
and
extremely
unstable
and
unsafe,
removing
the
small
addition
that
was
tacked
on
to
our
house
and
there
is
no
foundation
to
where
and
no
permits
for
it
originally.
I
Provided
a
letter
indicating
that,
upon
demolition
of
the
rear
addition
at
53
for
mana,
we
observed
that
condition
of
the
neighboring
addition
to
be
in
attic
inadequately
built
and
weather
sealed.
As
a
result
of
our
contract,
we
had
determined
that
there
may
have
been
some
remedial
repairs.
This
was
not
the
case
we
observed
the
sheathing
was
purely
installed
and
not
providing
any
protection
once
removed
addition
for
Megan
and
Josh.
That's
myself
and
my
wife.
The
crawlspace
under
55
for
mana,
was
not
sealed
and
completely
exposed
to
the
elements.
I
In
order
to
complete
our
scope
of
work,
we
received
cladded
neighbors
exterior
wall
with
marine
grade
plywood,
with
a
board
and
batten
finish
followed
by
an
exterior
stain.
We
also
cladded
and
sealed
off
the
crawl
space,
provided
all
new
drip
edge,
aluminum
flashing
at
the
roofline
and
caulking.
The
work
was
discussed
with
the
neighbor
Jim
and
approved
verbally
prior
to
installation.
All
costs
for
labor
and
materials
were
absorbed
by
my
clients,
Meghan
and
Josh.
We
paid
for
all
of
the
repairs
for
that.
I
I
This
is
another
view
of
what
was
going
on
on
Jim's
side
of
the
fence,
that's
55
for
mana
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
you
can
see
the
before
and
after
picture,
the
fence
did
not
end
up
going
right
up
to
the
roof
of
their
extension.
It
just
started
lower
down
and
went
in
line
to
be
more
aesthetically
pleasing
for
both
neighbors
and
ourselves
from
both
sides
that
was
the
before
and
again.
This
is
the
after.
I
I
This
was
a
letter
from
our
neighbor
at
51,
from
Ana,
indicating
that
they
have
seen
our
fence
and
and
are
okay
with
it
and
think
it's
aesthetically
pleasing
Thank,
You,
Josh
and
then
finally,
we
use
final
thoughts.
We
got
some
signatures
from
various
neighbors,
showing
them
pictures
of
the
work.
Thank
you
thank.
A
C
A
C
A
A
C
C
That
back
deck
is
the
entry
to
our
family
room,
which
has
a
sliding
glass
door
in
a
large
window
which
is
adjacent
to
our
kitchen.
So
we
spend
most
of
our
time
in
that
room.
The
structure
that
they've
put
up
blocks
the
sunlight
onto
the
deck
as
well
as
into
the
windows
you
can
see.
We
have
a
little
privacy
fence
there
at
the
end
of
our
deck.
It's
five
feet:
high
five
foot,
five.
C
C
I'm
not
sure
how
well
you
can
see
that,
but
you
can
also
tell
by
looking
at
the
picture.
Those
slats
are
nominal
two
inch
wood,
which
means
they're
actually
inch
and
a
half
the
gaps
between
the
slats
are
also
an
inch
and
a
half.
The
elyda
original
proposal
said
that
those
gaps
were
to
be
1/2
inch,
which
makes
more
sense,
but
as
it
is,
it's
an
actual
climbing
device
for
raccoons.
We
had
a
raccoon
on
that
roof
all
summer,
and
you
can
see
from
that
picture.
C
In
spite
of
what
Josh
said
that
the
structure
doesn't
go
up
to
the
roof,
it
does
go
exactly
up
to
the
roof
at
the
front
edge
of
it.
In
the
wintertime
there
are
raccoon
prints
in
the
snow
on
the
the
top
board
of
the
structure
and
last
winter,
the
first
time
ever
we
had
raccoons
destroying
shingles
and
attempting
to
enter
our
attic.
C
C
And
Josh
showed
the
pictures
of
the
old
structure
that
was
there
and
it
had
metal
cladding
on
it,
because
there
was
part
of
their
house
that
was
adjacent
and
it
was
an
old
shed
which
they
tore
down,
and
we
did
agree
that
they
could
replace
that
siding.
But
it
was
my
understanding
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
flammable
structure
beside
our
wall,
as
Josh
mentioned,
they
replaced
it
with
board
and
batten,
just
plywood
and
and
batten
strips.
C
C
O
C
J
C
So
that
five
foot
five
inch
wall
is
at
the
end
of
our
deck,
immediately
adjacent
to
it,
on
the
other
side,
is
a
full
height
window
and
beside
that,
our
sliding
glass
doors.
So
in
this
in
the
in
the
wintertime,
the
Sun,
when
it's
low
comes
right
through
what
used
to
be
an
opening
there,
how
much
does
it
protrude
the
the
your
neighbors?
It's
it's
even
with
the
end
of
it
doesn't
look
like
it
here,
but
it
is
even
with
the
end
of
our
privacy
fence.
Er,
the
end
of
their
fence
is
even
with
theirs.
C
O
D
There's
some
saying
about
fences
and
good
neighbors:
they
have
a
motion
really
not
true.
Yeah
I'm
gonna
be
moving
recommendation
number
one,
which
is
to
refuse
my
general
approach
on
these
is
where
neighbors
are
able
to
agree.
Then
you
then
it's
okay
to
grant
additional
height
on
the
fence.
If
both
people,
both
sides
of
the
fence
line,
everyone
can
agree,
will
waive
the
requirement.
That's
fine,
but
where
there's
a
dispute
I
I
don't
take
sides.
I
go
back
to
the
basic
city
bylaw,
which
is
two
meters.
D
It's
unfortunate,
I
I
wish
this
could
have
been
worked
out
between
the
neighbors
and
didn't
wind
up
here.
It's
never
Pleasant
in
a
neighborhood
that
we
wind
up
at
this
point,
but
that's
the
best
judgment
I
can
bring
to
an
issue
like
this.
So
I
encourage
you
all
to
support
the
motion
number
one,
which
is
to
refuse.
O
Anyone
to
question
the
mover,
seeing
none
any
one
else
to
speak,
seeing
none,
okay,
so
I
guess
we'll
take
the
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
before
us.
Those
opposed
as
two
opposed
or
one
opposed
and
no
okay.
So
that
carries.
Thank
you.
That
concludes
that
item.
The
next
item
is
just
a
moment.
O
Sure,
before
we
go
to
the
next
item,
which
is
twenty
eight
point,
one
six
request
for
a
fence
exemption
at
twenty
three
Forest
Hill
Road
can
I
have
a
motion
to
add
te.
Twenty
eight
point:
nine
six
to
twenty
eight
point:
nine,
nine
councillor
Krusty's,
moving
that
all
those
in
favor
get
carries.
Okay.
So
now
we
can
go
to
the
request
for
a
fence
exemption
at
twenty
three
Forest
Hill
Road
I.
Don't
have
anyone
listed
on
the
speaker's
list?
I'm
just
wondering!
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
to
that
item?
Please
come
forward.
O
L
Madam
speaker,
madam
chair
I'm,
going
to
be
moving
this
to
deferred
sign.
He
died,
I
haven't
heard
it's
actually
weeding
to
see
if
anyone
would
come
and
speak
I
haven't
heard
from
anyone
about
this
at
all
from
the
community.
So
we'll
do
what
we
can
to
understand
why
they
want
this
and
how
they
want
this,
and
what
the
what
the
context
is,
but
until
then
I'm
not
willing
to
to
move
to
approve
it
so
I'm
going
to
defer
its
any
time.
O
O
E
E
Just
to
give
it
context.
The
new
fence
is
our
fence.
The
old
fence
is
that
fence
at
the
back,
we've
had
it
inspected
twice
by
the
city
inspector,
it's
fine
for
safety
and
security,
and
all
that
that's
the
finished
product
from
the
inside.
So
we
built
to
the
height,
as
was
there
yeah?
That's
a
bit
it
any
question.
A
E
K
A
S
I'll
start
by
giving
you
a
couple
of
comments
and
a
couple
of
emails
that
demonstrate
what
I've
done
to
try
and
get
agreement
on
the
fence
and
what
I'll
end
with
some
images
of
the
site.
This
is,
for
example,
the
email
that
began
really
in
the
very
beginning
when
mr.
his
Scott
was
looking
for
support
for
his
application.
S
It
was
a
significant
variances
with
secret,
aggressive
setbacks
and
I
supported
it,
because
I
wanted
to
be
a
good
neighbor,
a
cooperative
neighbor
and
you
can
see
even
back
in
2015,
I
brought
a
bish
of
sunlight
and
what
could
be
done
to
mitigate
an
impact.
The
sunlight
in
2016
I
asked
to
be
consulted
on
the
fence
when
the
fence
was
being
demolished.
S
Here's
another
email
where
I
was
told
that
you
know
the
fence
would
be
well
in
excess
of
the
bylaws
and
I
attempted
to
engage
my
neighbor.
He
ignored
all
my
attempts
and
just
simply
said
he's
building
it
according
to
the
height
of
the
other
three
fences
at
that
point,
I
simply
said:
well,
you
should
conform
to
the
city's
bylaw.
S
In
one
e-mail
they
said
the
fence
would
be
eight
feet.
High
and
I
said
well,
I'm
not
agreeable
to
it
and
again
said
you
should
conform
with
the
biologic
are
willing
to
engage
here's
a
text
I
sent
to
the
construction
project
leader,
showing
him
what
the
bylaws
and
said
I
expect
you
to
follow
it
since
you're,
not
willing
to
talk
to
me
about
the
fence
height.
S
Here's
a
here's,
a
in
desperation,
I,
said
finally
I'm
willing
to
accept
a
fence
height
of
seven
feet,
completely
ignored
again.
So
what
they've
done
is
they've
gone
ahead
and
built
the
fence
completely
ignoring
me
through
all
this
process
and
I
will
just
show
you
a
couple
of
images
of
what's
happened.
So
here's
the
early
construction.
You
can
see
all
the
scaffolding.
Everything
is
on
my
property
again
good
neighbor
a
year
of
this
all
on
my
property.
S
Even
afterwards.
You
know
after
scaffolding
stone.
You
know
everything
is
on
my
property
to
build
his
each
trough.
All
these
ladders,
everything
have
been
just
a
tremendously
cooperative
and
supportive
neighbor
here's
the
old
fence.
At
the
corner
of
my
house.
You
can
see
the
fences
about
five
and
a
half
feet,
high,
solid
and
two
feet
of
lattice
work,
and
this
is
a
fence
that
he
asked
to
tear
down
to
do
his
construction
and
I
agreed.
He
could
tear
it
down.
S
This
is
a
new
same
view
with
the
new
fence
and
you
can
see
it's.
He
has
a
balcony
there.
One
of
the
applicants
in
his
application.
He
said
privacy
is
an
issue.
I
will
show
you
what
privacy
means.
So
not
only
does
he
have
a
second
floor
balcony,
but
he
actually
has
a
third
floor
balcony,
so
there's
in
terms
of
privacy,
everybody
else
is
more
impacted
than
he
is
through.
His
construction
here
is
the
other
side
of
the
fence.
Now
this
is
a
far
corner
of
the
fence
and
what
he'd
he
emitted
to
show.
S
You
was
that
his
new
fence
is
actually
much
higher
than
the
old
fence,
and
here
it
is,
you
can
see
his
new
fence
compared
to
the
old
fence.
It's
actually
a
foot
higher.
So
I,
don't
know
what
he's
talking
about.
You
can
see
it's
black
and
white
old
fence,
new
fans,
here's
my
garden.
You
know
I'm
an
avid
gardener.
Sunshine
is
important
to
me.
I
made
every
attempt
to
engage
him
to
try
and
come
to
an
agreement.
He
completely
ignore
me
once
he's
got
his
building
application
got
his
building
permits.
I
was
history.
S
At
that
point,
so
I've
been
courteous,
I've
been
trying
to
help
be
helpful
and
here's
how
what
the
fence
looks
like
from
my
side.
You
can
see
it's
completely
unacceptable,
so
I
ask
you,
do
not
reward
this
bad
behavior
I.
Ask
that
you
tell
mister
Hiscox
that
we're
a
civil
society
and
you
have
to
speak
to
your
neighbors
and
if
you
want
to
veer
from
the
bylaw,
you
should
negotiate
and
get
agreement
from
your
neighbors.
Thank
you.
A
Nope,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Larry.
Are
there
any
other
members
of
the
public
who
are
here
to
speak
to
this
item?
No
seeing
none
are
there
any
questions
of
staff.
Okay,
I
actually
have
a
question
of
staff
with
respect
to
the
Notice
of
Violation
that
was
originally
issued.
I
believe
it's
now
ppens.
It
I
didn't
believe
it
as
now
it
has
been
settled.
Is
that
correct.
E
R
A
A
O
K
C
K
O
A
K
A
I
I
think
it's
always
best
to
allow
neighbors
to
try
to
come
to
a
resolution.
I
recognize
that
sometimes
these
are
very
difficult
discussions,
but
I
hope
that
by
way
of
deferring
this
item
and
asking
for
the
communities
to
come
back
together,
it
will
give
them
a
chance
to
find
that
resolution
in
a
local
decision-making
environment.
So
this
item
is
now
deferred
until
the
January
16
2018
meeting,
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
before
us
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
P
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
complaint
lodged
just
respecting
the
fence
that
I
had
erected
on
August
10th
2016.
To
give
you
a
brief
background,
I
purchased
six
Rose
Park
Crescent
in
June
2008,
the
home
required
some
significant
renovations,
most
of
which
I've
completed
I've,
always
obtained
appropriate
permits
from
the
City
of
Toronto
and
cooperated
with
my
neighbors
and
performing
renovations.
P
With
respect
to
the
front
of
my
house,
as
can
be
seen
in
this
photo,
and
in
this
be
from
the
survey
dated
June
21st
1961,
six
Rose
Park
Crescent
had
a
solid
hedge
as
the
boundary,
that's
separated
it
from
103
Heath
Street,
entirely
I
have
photos
of
the
home
when
I
originally
purchased
it,
as
can
its
historical
view,
be
seen
on
Google
Maps.
The
current
satellite
photo
of
September
2015
is
representative
of
what
the
properties
looked
like
at
the
time.
Mr.
Gilles
purchased
103
Heath
Street
on
September
15th
2015.
P
P
This
area
right
here,
the
rest
of
that
is
his
house.
An
entire
building
I
did
undertake
some
landscaping,
replacing
my
front
steps
in
the
majority
of
my
original
brick
retaining
wall
under
the
authority
of
a
permit
in
June
2012
I
left
the
hedge
in
place
for
privacy,
as
well
as
the
edge
of
my
retaining
wall
on
the
city
portion
of
my
property.
As
removing
that
particular
section
of
budding
103,
he
Street
involved
addressing
the
encroachment
of
the
steps
that
were
there
at
the
time.
P
The
front
of
my
yard
was
a
very
pretty
and
private
place
for
my
family
to
sit
and
my
children
to
play.
It
was
a
large.
It
has
a
large
patio
where
there's
a
table
and
chairs
where
we
often
used
to
sit
and
enjoy
the
garden.
My
ability
to
have
quiet
enjoyment
of
that
property
after
mr.
James
skills
purchased,
the
property
were
significantly
diminished
and
effectively
eliminated
in
December
2015
I
returned
home
to
find
a
bobcat
and
work
man
digging
up
the
entire
side
yard
bordering
103
and
that
they
had
cut
down
my
entire
hedge.
P
My
entire
property
was
now
exposed
to
an
open
field
of
mud
with
debris,
equipment
and
contractors.
All
of
this
was
done
without
any
prior
discussion
with
me.
Mr.
Gillis
and
his
contractors
had
not
even
bothered
to
introduce
themselves
before
they
began
vandalizing
and
trespassing
on
my
property
in
an
attempt
to
keep
the
focus
on
the
fence.
I
will
go
into
you.
I
will
I
will
not
go
into
all
the
concerns
that
I
have
respecting.
Mr.
Gillis
is
continuous
harassment
of
my
family.
Mr.
Gillis
and
his
contractor
have
been
served
with
a
plaintiffs
claim.
A
P
Mr.
Gillis
in
advance
that
I
wanted
to
install
a
boundary
fence,
the
bylaw
requires
him
to
share
the
cost
and
requires
of
the
fence
be
placed
in
the
property
line,
because
mr.
McGill
is
Gillis
had
removed
a
back
porch
and
wanted
to
reconstruct
it.
I
agreed
to
put
this
fence
on
my
property.
Now
mr.
Gillis
has
complained
about
that
agreement
and
is
asking
the
city
force
need
to
reduce
the
height
of
the
fence.
The
privacy
that
was
provided
by
the
former
hedge
is
not
replicated
by
the
current
fence.
P
The
hedge
that
had
been
on
my
property
was
removed
without
my
permission,
I
installed
this
fence
in
a
manner
that
was
compliant
with
the
bylaws
governing
a
flanking
fence.
Obliging
me
to
lower
the
height
of
the
fence,
effectively
removes
the
opportunity
for
me
to
again
have
good
quiet
enjoyment
of
my
front
yard.
I
never
asked
for
any
alteration
to
my
landscape
and
have
never
been
consulted
on
what
mr.
Gillis
is
constructed
against
my
express
directions
not
to
even
trespass.
Obviously,
I
was
not
able
to
replace
the
hedge
that
mr.
P
Am
suggesting
that
I
was
and
am
entitled
to
the
hedge
that
I
had
prior
to
mr.
Gillis,
cutting
it
down
I
seek
to
keep
the
fence
that
stands
from
the
front
of
my
house,
covering
the
back
of
103
Heath
I'm,
asking
that
I
be
given
this
exemption
under
the
interpretation
that
my
fence
be
deemed
as
the
front
yard
fence.
Okay,.
A
R
R
Interesting
municipal
governments
in
action,
counselor
staff.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I'll!
Try
to
keep
it
really
brief.
In
my
view,
defense
has
an
adverse
impact
and
that's
why
I'm
here
it's
two
meters
high
six
point:
six
six
feet:
six
inches
high
and
it
it
kind
of
travels
up
the
side
of
my
walkway
into
my
house,
and
so
now,
I
have
a
six
foot,
6
inch
fence
and
a
wall.
R
On
the
other
side,
the
fence
is
on
the
south
side,
so
it
kind
of
blocks
the
sunlight
from
coming
in
and
it
gives
it
a
bit
of
an
alley.
Kind
of
ghetto
feel
and
I'd
prefer,
for
it
obviously
not
to
be
there.
Miss
hall
and
I
don't
agree
on
much
but
I'm
sure
that
we're
not
the
first
neighbors
to
to
suffer
that
fate.
Miss
Hall
is
right.
There
is
an
issue
with
respect
to
the
hedge
and
she
is
suing
me
in
court
for
that.
But
I
consider
this
to
kind
of
be
a
separate
issue.
R
They
knocked
out
a
couple
of
my
clay
downspouts
to
evacuate
water
from
the
house
which
I
was
upset
about,
and
you
know
we
were
talking
about
on
our
front
lawns
me
on
my
side.
She
on
her
side
and
she
said
if
I
didn't
get
out
of
the
way
she
was
just
gonna,
go
ahead
and
build
the
fence
in
the
front
to
6
feet
or
8
feet
and
that
I
should
more
or
less
be
gone.
R
I
was
clear,
though,
that
I
knew
the
bylaw
at
the
time
and
it
should
be
1.2
meters
and
not
the
two
meters
that
she
wanted
to
build,
or
the
2.6
meters
that
she
threatened
me
with,
but
she
went
ahead
in
any
event
and
I
was
clear
from
the
beginning
that
I
didn't
think
that
this
was
a
good
idea
and
I
was
unsupportive.
So
here
we
are,
the
fence
went
in
I
complained
that
it
is
in
excess
of
the
bylaw.
That
I
do
believe.
R
There
is
an
adverse
impact
and
I
prefer
it
for
the
fence
to
have
the
height
that
it
should
have
under
the
bylaw.
It
was,
you
know,
kind
of
a
classic
spite
fence,
installation
and
I
won't
get
into
the
details,
but
that's
that's
what
it
is
in
some.
You
know
it's
two
neighbors
disagreeing
the
fence
is
kind
of
error
and
I
think
it
should
conform
to
the
bylaw.
The
previous
had
never
measured
six
feet
on
six
foot.
Four.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
deputation.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
speaker,
no
I'm,
seeing
none
I
have
a
question
for
you,
sir,
with
respect
to
the
hedge
that
was
removed
and
that
that
actually
in
the
photo
it
actually
does
look
like
it
represents
much
taller
than
four
feet.
You
just
pointed
to
your
armpit,
but
it
actually
look
like
it's
from.
R
A
R
R
A
There
any
way
I
mean
just
like
the
the
application
that
was
before
us
with
respect
to
the
request
for
the
defense
exemption.
Is
there
any
possibility
for
the
neighbors
to
come
together
like
it
now,
I
recognize
that
I
just
heard.
You
say
that
you
folks,
who
are
also
in
legal
proceedings
yeah.
However,
this
is
a
fence
and,
and
sometimes
fences
make
good
neighbors
I'm.
R
Not
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
fence
and
actually
I
think
that
it's
probably
a
good
thing
to
have
a
fence
between
us
I.
Just
think
that
it
should,
you
know,
match
what
the
viola
requirements
are
saying
that
I
hate
the
fence
and
it
should
be
pulled
down.
I
think
1.2
meters
serves
the
same
purpose
as
two
and
she
actually
only
said
two
when
I
was
complaining
that
she
had
messed
up
some
of
my
drainage.
That's
actually
what
that's!
What
drove
the
decision
to
put
in
an
8-foot
fence?
I,
don't
think
I'm,
sorry,
six-foot
fence!
R
A
R
A
R
A
R
A
R
A
A
A
We're
not
we
don't
get
to.
We
don't
get
to
have
a
conversation
at
this
point.
All
right.
We
just
brought
everything
into
the
community
council
I've
asked
community
council
members.
If
there
is
any
other
anyone
else,
who'd
like
to
ask
questions
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak,
seeing
none
I'm
ready
to
move
the
recommendations
to
approve
the
fence
and
I
read
this
fence
as
a
as
a
side,
yard,
fence.
A
I
know
it's
it's
rather
difficult,
simply
because
there's
two
different
types
of
houses
before
us
with
two
different
types
of
entrances:
one,
that's
sort
of
sitting
off
on
the
side
and
one
that's
sitting
directly
on
the
front.
Elevation
and
and
I
read
this
as
a
sort
of
a
closer
to
the
side
yard
fence.
A
If
I
was
to
be
walking
along
the
street
of
a
Rose
Park
Crescent,
it
would
never
occur
to
me
that
that
would
be
treated
as
a
front
yard
fence
and
by
that-
and
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I'm
actually
moving
to
adopt
a
recommendation
to
approve
and
also
because
I'm
hearing
that
the
neighbors
perhaps
cannot
find
a
resolution
on
their
own
I.
Don't
necessarily
take
any
pleasure
in
making
this
decision
here.
I've
always
encouraged
people
to
work
together
collaboratively
in
the
new
in
the
community.
A
That's
where
I
think
neighborhood
disputes
can
be
resolved,
but
given
what
I
have
before
us,
rather
than
asking
the
the
two
residents
to
go
back
and
and
to
continue
their
conversation,
I'm
just
going
to
make
a
decision
here
and
if
the
members
of
the
committee
choose
to
support
it
you're
welcome
to
do
so.
Otherwise
you
can
do
as
you
please
all
those
in
favor
of
the
recommendation.
Any
opposed
that
carries
te.
28
point
19
request
for
a
fence
exemption
21,
Roxboro,
Street
West.
M
A
A
E
Bank,
you
councillors
for
your
support
today,
I'll
try
to
make
this
as
quick
as
possible.
Aye,
we
did
all
our
work
with
building
permits
in
1900,
more
and
everything
was
approved,
and
then
we
built
a
fence
that
that
basically,
is
the
same
actually
lower
height
than
the
previous
extension.
That
was
there.
Both
my
neighbors
on
either
side
have
either
an
extension
or
decks
that
follow
a
similar
footprint.
As
my
deck
I'm,
sorry
I
did
not
bring
pictures,
but
my,
but
my
application
did
include
pictures.
E
So
a
few
points
one
is
I,
have
I,
have
a
child
and
I
stay
alone,
home
alone
at
home,
a
lot
and
we're
completely
open
to
the
north
side,
which
is
eastward
road
while
on
our
deck,
and
we
can
can
be
viewed
by
all
passers-by
pasteurize.
So
so
we've
built
this
fence,
which
is
slightly
higher
than
the
allowable
amount
as
I
understand
it,
and
the
deck
follows
the
same
footprint
as
the
extensions
which
I
have
on
both
my
north
and
my
south
side.
E
Without
going
into
all
the
other
reasons,
I
want
to
share
with
you
the
letter
of
support
that
I
have
from
both
my
neighbors
on
both
my
north
and
my
south
side
and
they're
completely
ok
with
the
fence
that
I
have.
Hopefully
that
will
suffice
for
you
to
consider
this
application
to
me
to
keep
my
fence.
That's
all.
A
M
A
All
those
in
favor
of
the
thinking
the
motion
before
us
grant
the
exemption
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
now
we're
hit
we're
heading
back
to
te
228
any
other
babies.
Okay,
t20
8.19,
request
for
a
fence
exemption,
21,
Rox,
Pro,
Street
West
welcome
back
Melo's
Pavlov
its.
E
Contractors:
okay,
your
5
minutes.
What
we
want
to
show
you
first
of
all,
is
the
context
of
this
whole
thing.
We
will
start
from
the
back.
This
is
the
back
garage
and
I.
Would
like
council
members
to
look
at
this
different
height.
We
are
in
the
middle
and
then
the
left
and
right
the
land
slopes
down.
So
then,
when
we
go
through
the
garage,
this
is
the
second
view.
E
E
These
are
the
you
will
see
on
this
view.
This
is
the
backyard
and
the
garage
is
that
here
and
this.
These
are
the
walls
that
I've
totally
overgrown
with
with
the
reason
why
we
are
here
is
really
the
neighbor
left
of
us
number
19
who,
during
the
construction.
This
was
a
massive
construction
that
took
place
here
about
two
years
at
length
and
he
has
went
to
City
Hall
and
submitted
about
85
complaints
of
various
kind
and
the
reason
why
we
are
asking
council
to
grant
this
is
really
a
privacy.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
questions
of
the
speaker?
Seeing
none
are
there
any
other
members
of
the
public
here
to
speak
to
this
item?
I,
don't
believe
there
are
any.
We
are
still
on
item
number
819
requests
for
a
fence
exemption,
21,
Roxboro,
Street,
West.
Okay,
thank
you.
Members.
Do
you
have
questions
of
staff
non-members
to
speak?
I.
Do
also
believe
that
the
that
any
complaint
has
been
withdrawn.
A
There
are
obviously
no
other
speakers
here
before
us.
I
would
move
that
we
grant
the
defense
application
their
defense
exemption,
all
those
in
favor
any
opposed
that
carries.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
Teehee
28-point
20
request
for
a
fence
exemption
204,
seen
street
michael
walker
to
speak,
michael
welcome.
M
Thank
you
very
much.
We
are
the
homeowners
of
204
Seton
Street
between
Dundas
and
Gerrard,
and
we
back
on
to
Oscar,
not
in
Lane,
so
we
built
this
fence
in
our
backyard,
mostly
for
safety
for
our
family.
Because
of
the
activities
that
do
go
on
in
that
neighborhood
and
this
past
summer
we
got
a
building
permit
or
a
permit
to
install
a
pool
in
our
backyard
and
when
our
Eddie
cappucci
came
to
do
the
inspection,
he
noticed
that
our
fences
were
above
the
city
bylaw
and
suggested
that
we
apply
for
an
exemption
permit.
M
R
S
S
When
we
originally
built
in
our
neighbors
are
happy
with
this,
and
we
didn't
really
and
in
really
know
we
had
any
violations
until
we
had
this
city
coming,
they
passed
their
inspections,
our
permits
for
our
above-ground
pool.
At
that
time,
they
suggested
we
apply
and
do
everything
legally
with
you
guys.
Thank.
A
B
Acknowledge
the
seriousness
of
some
of
the
issues
that
you're
facing
I
really
do
I'm
familiar
with
where
you
live
so
I'd
like
to
defer
it
just
you
so
that
I
could
I
support
it
in
principle,
I
just
need
some
more
time
to
speak
with
the
police
and
some
safety
design
experts
just
to
get
their
information.
So
I'd
like
to
divert
for
the
next
meeting
next
month.
This
meeting,
okay
January-
is
it
January
all.
A
A
A
A
A
E
So
my
wife
and
myself,
along
with
our
two
young
daughters,
moved
into
this
home
about
a
year
ago,
our
home
backs
out
into
a
communal
parking
lot
where
it's
easily
accessed
through
that
driveway.
That
you'll
see
up
here
that
anybody
can
just
walk
or
drive
down
with
no
barrier.
We
recently
put
in
a
swimming
pool
and
we
decided
to
raise
the
back
fence
not
only
for
privacy
but
for
safety
as
well,
just
because
it
can
be
accessed
very
easily
from
from
the
back
way.
E
Originally,
the
Builder
had
built
a
sliding
door
for
an
extra
parking
space
which
we
had
removed
and
we
removed
the
slide
or
completely
just
for
again
for
safety
and
for
privacy
concerns.
The
the
extra
height
of
the
fence
doesn't
really
interfere
with
anybody,
as
it
doesn't
block
any
views,
nor
does
it
interfere
with
anybody's
ability
to
enjoy
the
enjoy
their
backyards.
And
again
we
do
not
back
on
to
any
other
neighbors.
So
really
it's
it's
a
it.
It
doesn't
interfere
whatsoever.
A
E
E
K
E
K
E
A
B
We
need
to
be
able
to
plug
it
in
and
it
can't
just
be
plugged
in
with
a
regular
extension
cord.
It
actually
needs
to
have
a
proper
plug
in
you
know.
We
we
firmly
believe
in
the
climate
action
plan
that
you
guys
have
put
in
place
and
that
asks
residents
to
reduce
their
emissions
and
I
will
say
that
by
driving
this
electric
car,
our
family
reduces
their
emissions
by
five
metric
tonnes
a
year.
B
A
G
E
G
F
B
B
B
A
F
B
We
did
have
a
plan
and
actually,
when
I
bought
the
house,
that
woman
I
mean
I
can't
really
drag
her
in
here,
but
the
woman
that
I
bought
the
house
from
had
owned
the
house
for
almost
50
years
and
believed
that
we
would
not
have
any
issue
getting
parking
pad
per
came
because
everyone
else
on
the
street
has
it.
So
it
was
the
idea
that
we
actually
believed
that
we
would
have
it.
The
people
on
the
north
of
us
actually
have
a
driveway
to
the
back
of
their
house.
B
The
people
on
the
left
of
us
having
a
massive
tree,
so
they
are
the
only
people
other
than
us
on
the
street,
who
do
not
have
partner
either
in
a
garage
or
front
pad,
but
I
know
that
that's
inconsequential
at
this
meeting
really
I'm
just
asking
to
be
able
to
plug
in
our
car.
This
is
your
house.
It
is
yes,
okay,.
A
M
You
very
much
I'll,
speak
and
I'll
be
moving
the
alternate
recommendations
and
I'll
remind
us.
We
did
support,
transform
tÃo
unanimously
and
a
big
chunk
of
that
is
allowing
for
electric
vehicles.
We
did
have
a
motion
at
Council
last
week
or
an
item
at
Council
last
week
from
Public
Works
about
electric
vehicle
charging
stations.
Unfortunately
we're
rolling
them
out
slowly.
We
have
a
pilot
with
two
charging
stations
on
the
residential
streets
in
432.
M
D
You
I'm
gonna
be
moving
the
staff
recommendation
to
deny
in
the
process
of
developing
transform
teal.
We
looked
very
carefully
at
the
question
of
electric
vehicles
and
there's
a
plan
for
how
quickly
electric
vehicles
come
into
the
city
based
on
the
limits
of
the
electrical
supply
hwisun,
it's
simply
not
feasible
to
quickly
transform
the
vehicle
fleet
to
all
electric
or
all
hybrid,
not
possible.
We
would
blow
out
our
grid
if
we
did
that
with
the
plan.
D
Imagines
is
beginning
the
transformation
with
large
vehicle
fleets,
delivery
vehicles,
City
of
Toronto
vehicles,
20
or
30
years
from
now,
we
can
imagine
the
transformation
to
privately
owned
vehicles
and
a
large
as
a
large
portion
of
that.
But
one
of
the
assumptions
we
made
in
that
is
the
the
portion
of
automobile
ownership
had
to
decline
sharply
again,
so
that
we
would
have
capacity
within
our
grid
to
do
it.
D
Another
of
the
things
that
we
look
at
not
just
in
transform
teal,
but
in
previous
studies,
in
preparing
for
climate
change
or
all
the
issues
of
adaptation
and
very
very
strongly
our
staff.
Our
water
staff
in
particular,
have
told
us.
We
already
have
too
much
hard
surface
to
be
able
to
handle
the
projected
microbursts.
That's
the
intense
rainfall
in
a
short
period
that
we're
going
to
be
experiencing
more
and
more
often
without
overloading
our
sewer
system
and
the
water
department.
D
Who
was
one
of
the
stakeholders
who
originally
suggested
we
stop
giving
parking
pads
very
vigorously,
spoke
up
at
that
point
to
say
you
cannot
start
converting
everyone
who
has
a
car
to
having
the
right
to
a
parking
pad
on
their
property
to
accommodate
an
electric
vehicle,
so
transformed
tÃo,
never
imagined
that
community
councils
would
start
granting
these
further.
As
you
know,
if
you've
been
listening
to
water
staff,
both
here
and
at
the
parks
are
sorry,
they
Public
Works
Committee.
While
there
are
semi
permeable
pavements.
D
No
pavement
no
pavement
at
all
Allah
is
even
half
as
permeable
as
the
soft
landscaping
that
it
replaces
and
that
that
permeability
decreases
over
time
as
you
park
a
ton
and
a
half
of
plastic
and
steel
on
it,
so
no
I'm,
afraid
I
just
as
much
as
I
respect
the
intentions
of
the
the
applicant
here.
Good
public
policy
says
I
I
just
can't
support
establishing
this
trend.
L
Going
to
support
the
local
councillor
and
the
appellant,
but
I
wanted
to
actually
just
make
mention
of
something
that
I
think
we
all
agree
on.
Notwithstanding
our
differences,
differences
of
I
mean
opinion
about
some
of
these
appeals,
I've
heard
in
cases
in
my
ward
and
I'm
hearing
this
again
today,
real
estate
agents
providing
information
to
prospective
buyers
that
give
them
the
impression
that
they're
getting
something
that
they
don't
automatically
have
a
right
to
and
they're
making
plans
in
their
lives
based
on
what
they
believe.
L
K
We
we
can't
just
start
saying:
oh
we're
going
to
have
an
electric
car
and
therefore
we're
gonna
start
getting
rid
of
whatever
soft
surfaces
we
have
left
in
our
neighborhoods.
We
can't
so
you
know
this
person
and
I.
You
know,
I
I
will
I
heard
that
they
bought
the
house
with
some
assumption
that
they
were
not
going
to
have
a
hard
time
getting
a
front
yard
parking
pad
I.
Don't
what
I
know
is
that
front
yard
parking
pads?
K
Everyone
knows
how
hard
they
are
to
get
from
at
least
that's
what
my
neighborhood
all
knows,
how
hard
it
is
to
get
a
front
yard
parking
pad.
As
far
as
the
real
estate
board
goes,
we
did
meet
with
the
real
estate
board.
Some
years
back,
we
asked
for
changes.
I
am
very
happy
to
convene
a
little
working
group
to
talk
to
the
real
estate
board,
but
whatever
we
say
to
them,
they
there
are
ways
that
they
can
real
estate.
K
Agents
can
be
sanctioned
and-
and
there
are
the
things
that
can't
be
done-
and
all
I
remember
was
that
we
left
quite
frustrated
that
we
weren't
able
to
achieve
anything
with
the
real
estate
board
and
it
really
does
just
fall
to
a
purchaser
to
do
their
due
diligence
when
they're
purchasing
a
house
and
to
think
you
could
you're
not
moving
you're.
Expecting
that
you're,
just
going
to
be
able
to
put
a
parking
pad
automatically
I
think
is,
was
unfortunately
wrong
and
I
can't
support
that.
K
J
Be
very
brief
and
I
suspect,
because
we
have
a
new
counselor
in
the
chamber
here
with
us
today
that
we're
spending
more
time
on
this
one
there
are,
there
are
different
environmental
needs
being
portrayed
here
is
either-or
and
it
can't
be.
We
have
serious
environmental
needs,
as
it
relates
to
green
space
and
the
corresponding
green
water,
our
stormwater
management,
and
then
we
also
have
real
needs
related
to
carbon
reduction,
and
we
do
see
long-term
that
electric
vehicles
will
play
a
role.
J
However,
while
they
are
both
good,
we
cannot
put
ourselves
in
a
position
of
saying
either/or
and
we
cannot
put
ourselves
in
a
position
of
a
domino
effect
saying
that
everybody
gets
parking
bad
if
they
have
an
electric
car,
you
imagine
the
impact
that
would
have
on
our
stormwater
management.
This
is
compounded
in
this
situation
by
the
very
real
environmental
impacts
that
our
own
urban
forestry
staff
has
said.
J
This
would
be
harmful
to
a
tree,
and
so,
for
those
reasons,
I
can't
support
it,
but
more
than
that,
what
P
wick
is
looking
at
currently
as
it
relates
to
electric
vehicles,
is
on
street
charging
stations
because
we
don't
want
to
do
it
at
the
expense
of
green
space,
and
that
is
still
far
too
slow.
The
approach
we
have
to
go.
Thank
you.
A
A
No,
he
wasn't
here
so
now,
he's
here
and
then
councillor
perks
has
a
motion
to
refuse
all
those
in
favor
to
refuse
one
two,
three
four
six
and
those
opposed
three
and
that
wins
six
to
three.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
are
moving
on
to
t20
8.27,
front
yard,
parking
appeal,
74,
Scarborough,
Beach,
Boulevard,
Ward
32.
We
have
a
speaker,
talk
a
Kratz
cough
I'm.
Very
sorry,
I'd
like
to
blame
it
on
the
handwriting,
but
I
don't
think
I.
Can
it's
just
me
so
welcome
and.
E
So
it's
a
hundred
and
seventy
two
percent
over
the
spaces
available,
so
I
often
do
have
to
park
a
couple
of
streets
down
again
walking
down
there
at
night
is
not
always
comfortable.
Now,
I
know
I'm,
not
the
only
one
who
has
that
problem.
Obviously,
in
addition,
I'd
just
like
you
to
consider
I
do
have
a
hip
issue.
I
have
severe
arthritis
in
my
hip
to
hip.
E
Dysplasia
I've
already
had
a
major
reconstruction
but
I'm
looking
at
hip
replacement
in
the
next
year,
which
will
obviously
for
that
time,
make
it
even
harder
to
obviously
walk
long
distances.
Hence
the
request
for
the
parking
pad.
There
is
no
tree
on
my
property,
so
it
wouldn't
impact
any
of
that.
The
walkway
already
has
the
formidable
stones,
so
it
would
be
using
the
same
stones
to
extend
that
to
a
full
parking
pad.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
you
to
ask
you
to
consider
the
alternative
recommendation.
E
A
A
All
those
in
favor
we
have
two
on
the
floor.
Folks,
council
McMahons
motion.
First,
all
those
in
favor
one,
two,
three
votes
against.
Please
indicate
one
two,
three
four:
five:
six
that
loses
three
to
six
councillor
perks:
motion
on
the
floor
to
deny
all
those
in
favor
that's
six
and
those
opposed
three
that
carries
okay.
A
Motion
to
defer
it
are
they.
Okay
definitely
are
the
speakers
that
are
listed.
There's
three
speakers
listed
they're,
all
not
speaking
out.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
motion
defer
any
post
that
carries.
Thank
you,
te
28.7
one
bus
loading
zone
and
one-way
operation,
Trinity
Street.
There
is
a
speaker,
Michael
Brewer.
A
M
A
A
A
A
M
M
A
A
This
is
just
to
ask
staff
to
continue
further
studies
to
report
back
to
the
first
quarter
of
2019,
with
those
results
make
sure
that
there's
broad
stakeholder
consultation
and
to
factor
in
the
increased
density
from
new
developments,
any
impacts
from
proposed
traffic
changes
to
surrounding
streets
and
to
ensure
that
the
city's
vision,
zero,
pedestrian
and
road
safety
initiative
is
all
embedded
in
the
report
back
all
those
in
favor.
Any
opposed
that
carries
thank
you
item
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
and
opposed
carried
t.
A
G
N
N
A
E
A
N
N
Move
the
recommendations
that
have
come
forward
from
the
consultant
in
developing
a
traffic
management
study
after
five
years
after
the
dome
is
now
open
and
the
other
recommendations
that
are
in
there
that
don't
require
actual
bylaws,
but
our
request
for
the
city
to
complete
the
management
plan.
Our
staff
have
been
involved
in
that
with
Toronto
District
School
Board.
So
thank
you
very
much.
This
has
been
quite
a
few
years
to
come
and
I'd
like
a
recorded
vote.
Please
there's.
A
A
It
was
just
a
few
hours
ago
as
a
new
business.
Don't
you
worry?
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
record.
Don't
can
I.
Have
the
two
members
come
back
we're
just
getting
into
a
recorded
vote?
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
request
for
recorded
vote.
Councillor
may
have
a
councillor
Fletcher
councillor
Cressey
councillor,
wong-tam
councillor
Layton,
councillor
perks,
counselor
troi,
see
councillor
Matt
lo
councillor
McMahon
councillor
bi-level,
welcome
back
okay
that
carries
unanimously.