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From YouTube: Keeping up with Cloud Native (The Podlets, Ep 17)
Description
If you work in Kubernetes, cloud native, or any other fast-moving ecosystem, you might have found that keeping up to date with new developments can be incredibly challenging. We think this as well, and so we decided to make today’s episode a tribute to that challenge, as well as a space for sharing the best resources and practices we can think of to help manage it. Of course, there are audiences in this space who require information at various levels of depth, and fortunately the resources to suit each one exist. We get into the many different places we go in order to receive information at each part of the spectrum, such as SIG meetings on YouTube, our favorite Twitter authorities, the KubeWeekly blog, and the most helpful books out there. Another big talking point is the idea of habits or practices that can be helpful in consuming all this information, whether it be waiting for the release notes of a new version, tapping into different TLDR summaries of a topic, streaming videos, or actively writing posts as a way of clarifying and integrating newly learned concepts. In the end, there is no easy way, and passionate as you may be about staying in tune, burnout is a real possibility. So whether you’re just scratching the cloud native surface or up to your eyeballs in base code, join us for today’s conversation because you’re bound to find some use in the resources we share.
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B
Good
afternoon
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
pod
--let's
in
this
episode,
we're
going
to
talk
about
you
know
one
of
the
more
challenging
things
that
we
all
have
to
do
is
just
kind
of
keep
up
with
cognitive
and
how
we
each
approach
that
and
what
we
do
today.
I
have
a
number
cows
with
me:
I
have
all
the
power
hi.
C
B
This
episode,
we're
gonna,
do
we're
gonna,
try
something
a
little
we're
gonna
do
something
a
little
different
than
we
normally
do
in
most
of
our
episodes.
We
try
to
remain
somewhat
objective
around
the
problem
and
the
potential
solutions
for
it
rather
than
prescriptive,
a
particular
solution
in
this
episode.
B
However,
since
we're
talking
about
how
we
keep
up
with
all
of
the
crazy
things
that
happen
in
such
a
fast
convenient
system,
we're
gonna
probably
provide
quite
a
number
of
examples
or
resources
that
you
yourself
get
used,
is
right
to
try
and
keep
up
to
date
with
what's
happening
out
there
so
be
sure
to
check
out
the
notes
after
the
episode
is
over
at
the
padlet
co,
and
you
will
find
a
link
to
the
episode.
That's
up
on
the
top
part,
and
you
click
down
to
this
episode
and
check
out
the
notes.
B
So,
let's
get
started
one
of
the
things
I
think
about
that
is
interesting
about
keeping
up
with
something
like
you
know,
kubernetes
or
a
fast-moving
project,
regardless
of
what
that
project
is
whether
it's
kubernetes
or
you
know
for
a
while.
It
was
a
message
that
I
was
following
or
OpenStack
or
there's
a
number
of
been
big
infrastructure
projects
that
have
been
very
fast
moving
over
time
and
I.
Think
what's
interesting
is
that
I
find
that
there's
multiple
audiences
that
we
kind
of
address
when
we
think
about
what
it
means
to
keep
up
all
right.
B
Keeping
up
with
something
like
a
project
is
is
interesting
because
I
feel
like
there
is
an
audience
that
is
actually
very
interested
in
what's
happening
with
the
design
goals
or
the
codebase
of
the
project
and
there's
an
audience
that
it's
very
specific
to
just
wanting
to
understand
that
you
know
at
a
high
level
like
give
me
the
the
state
of
the
world
report
like
every
month
or
so
too
so
I
can
understand
generally
like
what's
happening
with
the
project
like
is
it?
Is
it
thriving?
Is
it
starting
to
kind
of
wane?
B
Are
there
big
projects
that
it's
taking
on
and
then
there's
like
and
then
I
feel
like
there's
an
audience
somewhere
in
the
middle
there,
where
they
really
want
to
see
people
using
the
project
and
understand
and
and
know
how
to
learn
from
those
people
who
are
who
are
using
it
so
that
they
can
elevate
their
own
use
of
that
project?
They're,
not
particularly
interested
in
the
codebase
per
se,
but
they
do
want
to
understand.
Are
they
exploring
this
project
at
a
depth
that
that
makes
sense
for
themselves?
What
y'all
think
about
that.
A
I
think
one
thing
that
I
mean
is
that
this
episode
is
not
so
much
about
onboarding
people
into
coronaries
in
the
coronaries
ethical
system.
We
are
going
to
have
an
episode
soon
to
talk
specifically
about
that,
like
how
do
you
get
going
like
get
started
so
I
think
definitely
mentioned
list,
so
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
how
you
keep
up
with
things,
but
definitely
definitely
there
are
different
audiences.
Even
when
we're
talking
about
keeping
up
and
yeah
yeah.
D
I
think,
what's
funny
about
your
audience,
descriptions
Duffy
is
I
feel,
like
I've,
actually
slid
between
those
audiences
a
bit
right.
So
it's
funny
cuz,
like
back
in
the
day.
You
know
kubernetes,
like
one
four
one
five
days
I
feel
like
I
was
much
more
like
what's
going
on
in
the
code
like
trying
to
keep
track
of
like
how
things
are
progressing
now.
My
role
is
a
lot
more
focused
with
working
with
customers
and
standing
up
cube
and
like
making
it
production
ready.
D
B
C
So
you
kind
of
got
I
kind
of
find
myself
going
right
in
and
then
back
out
right
in
going
back
out,
depending
on
kind
of
where
I
am
I'm
in
a
particular
day
of
the
week
and
it's
kind
of
tricky.
My
brain
sometimes
doesn't
kind
of
deal
with.
That
sort
of
you
know
deep,
deep
concentration
into
one
particular
topic
and
then
back
out
again.
So
it's
not
easy.
I
find
it
quite
tough,
actually,
some
of
the
time
yeah.
B
I
think
what
I
think
we
can
all
agree
on
that
keeping
track
of
everything
is
why,
which
is
why
the
episode
right
is
like
how
do
how
do
we?
How
do
we
even
approach
it?
It
seems
you
know,
I
feel
like
there's
I
mean
what
an
audience
I
haven't
mentioned
is
the
audience
that
basically
just
throws
up
their
hands
and
walks
away,
because
there's
just
so
much
to
keep
track
of
right
like
it's
and
I
feel
like.
We
are
all
that
at
some
point.
No
thank
you.
I
get
that
that's.
A
C
A
But
maybe
purposefully
or
maybe
not
even
not
trying
to
keep
up,
because
it
is
too
much.
It
is
a
lot
and
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
get
back
go
deeper,
one
of
the
things
that
I
already
just
like
sort
of
know
and
things
that
I'm
working
with
on
a
day
to
day
basis
and
I
only
really
need
to
know
I
feel
that
I
really
only
need
to
know
because
I'm
not
working
directly
with
customers.
A
My
scope
is
very
well
defined
and
I
feel
that
I
really
only
need
to
know
whenever
they
said
no
kubernetes
and
release
I
need
to
know
what's
the
number
of
releases
and
we
usually
every
once
in
a
while,
we
upgrades
we
have
a
data
project
to
the
we
bump
up,
the
kubernetes
released
there,
we're
working
against
and
but
in
general
yeah,
as
I
gave.
These
come
my
way.
They're
not
like
if
it's
interesting,
I'll
take
a
look
but
mostly
I
feel
like
I
work
in
a
spiral.
A
So
if
I'm
doing
codes
related
to
controllers
and
there's
a
conference
talk
about
controllers,
then
I'm.
Okay,
let
me
take
a
look
at
this
too.
Maybe
I
will
learn
how
to
you
know
design
this
thing
better,
implement
a
site
in
a
better
way
if
I
know
more
about
it.
So
if
I
work,
if
I'm
doing
you
know
looking
at
it
see,
Rd
is
insane
every
conference
talks
for
education,
but
that's
not
so
much
keeping
up
with
what's
new.
A
B
It's
everything
I
think
it's
you
know,
I
think
I
think
said
you
know
keeping
and
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
question
because,
like
one
of
my
other
questions,
when
we
were
starting
to
talk
about,
this
was
like
what
is
keeping
up
even
me
right,
like
I
mean
it
does
it
mean,
does
it
mean?
Where
do
you
find
resources
that
are
interesting
to
keep
you
interested
in
the
project,
or
are
you
looking
for
resources
that
just
kind
of
keep
you
up
to
date
with?
What's
changing
it's
a
great
question,
yeah.
E
E
B
Greek
I
was
actually
gonna,
I
was
thinking
about
this
year.
I
was
thinking
about
putting
up
a
talk
with
Chris
short
was
actually
last
year.
That
was
about
kind
of
on
the
same
topic
of
keeping
up
with
it,
and
so
in
that
I
kind
of
did
a
little
research
into
how
that
happens
and
I
feel
like
what
what
some
of
the
interesting
stuff
that
came
out
of.
B
That
was
that
there
are
certain
patterns
that
a
project
might
take
on
that
make
it
easier
or
more
approachable
to
to
you
know,
stay
in
contact
with
what's
happening,
and
if
we
take
kubernetes
as
an
example,
there
are
a
number
of
websites.
I
think
that
pretty
much
everybody
here
kind
of
follows
to
some
degree
that
that
helps
sort
of
kind
of
address.
B
Those
different
audiences
that
we
were
talking
about,
like
one
of
the
ones
that
I've
actually
been
really
impressed
with,
is
lwk
D,
which
stands
for
last
week
in
Cougar
needs
development,
and,
as
you
can
imagine,
this
is
really
kind
of
focused
on
kind
of
I.
Wouldn't
say
it's
like
super
deep
on
the
development,
but
it
is
watching
for
things
that
are
changing
that
are
interesting
to
the
person
who
isn't
for
the
people,
who
are
curating
that
particular
post
right
and
so
they'll
have
things
in
there.
B
E
B
You
know
in
time
as
it
relates
to
that
release
and
I.
Think
that's
a
great
pattern
and
I
think
is
that
a
different.
But
it's
it's
a
very
narrow
audience
right
like
it
would
really
only
be
interesting
to
people
who
are
interested
in
or
who
are
caught
up
in
the
code
base
or
or
just
trying
to
understand,
like
maybe
I
want
a
preview
of
what
the
release
notes
might
look
like,
and
so
I
might
just
like
one
for
like
a
weekly,
and
you
know,
kind
of
thing,
yeah.
D
E
B
E
A
Right
I
cannot
tell
I,
cannot
encourage
enough
for
the
listeners
to
look
at
the
show
notes,
because
we
have
a
little
document
here
that
we're
looking
at
and
the
lis.
The
resources
are
amazing.
There
are
so
many
things
that
I
have
never
even
heard
about
in
sound
grades
is
I
want
to
go
through
this
whole
entire
list,
but
definitely
check
it
out.
We
might
not
have
time
to
mention
every
single
thing,
so
I
don't
want
people
to
me.
It's
on
the
all.
The
goodness
that's
been
put
together
agreed.
B
C
I
can
see
that
a
lot
of
the
content
in
that
in
the
in
those
notes
are
like
Twitter
feeds,
speaking
personally
I'm,
not
sure
on
at
the
stage.
Yet,
where
alert,
I
learn
a
lot
about
Twitter
feeds
in
terms
of
technical
content.
Do
you
do
you
guys
find
that
it's
more
around
people's
thoughts
around
certain
things,
so
thought-provoking
things
around
kubernetes
and
the
ecosystem,
rather
than
actual
technical
content?
I
mean
that's
my
experience
so
far,
but
looking
at
those
Twitter
feeds,
maybe
I
guess
I
might
need
to
follow
some
of
those
feeds.
A
E
E
Sort
of
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
yeah
get
some
clarity,
so
the
the
reason
I
listed
so
many
Twitter
accounts.
There
is
because
Twitter
is
my
only
kind
of
news
feed
if
you
will
like
I
used,
feedly
and
RSS
and
others
before,
and
emails
and
threats,
but
then
I
just
got
overwhelmed
and
I
had
this
feeling
of
missing
out
on
all
the
senses.
So
that's
why
it's?
Okay,
let's
just
use
Twitter
and
so
to
your
question.
E
D
A
A
A
A
A
So
I
think
some
of
the
accounts
like
fewer
of
the
accounts-
and
there
are
a
bunch
of
things
that
they're
listed
accounts
here-
that
I
have
I
didn't
know
before
so
check
them
out.
So
I
think
few
of
the
accounts
are
providing
technical
content.
For
example,
Cindy
see
Tehran
I'm
not
completely
pronouncing
it
correctly,
but
Cindy
is
great.
She
puts
out
a
lot
of
technical
content
and
a
lot
of
technical
opinion
observations.
A
There
is
really
good
to
consume.
I
wish
I
had
time.
Just
just
read
her
blog
blog
posts
and
Twitter
come
Mary
alone,
she's
very
oriented
towards
distributed
systems
in
general,
so
she's,
not
even
specific,
just
for
annuities
and
but
most
of
the
accounts
are
are
very
opinionated
in
benefit.
For
me
is
that
they
catch
people
talking
about
something
that
I
didn't
even
know.
It
was
a
thing
it's
like.
A
Oh,
this
is
a
thing
and
I
should
know
about
for
the
work
that
I
do
and
it's
like
Micah
was
saying
you
know
sometimes
I
catch
retweets,
I
didn't
catch
before
and
I
just
I'm,
not
checking
out
places
I'm
not
checking
her.
How
much
attacking
ready
so
I
rely
on
Twitter
and
the
people
are
followed
too,
if
there's
a
blog
post
that
I?
A
That
sounds
important
I,
just
trust
that
somebody
would
that
I'm
going
to
see
that
multiple
times
until
like
okay,
if
this
is
content
that
is
related
to
something
I'm
working
on
I'm
gonna
get
better
ad
they're
not
going
at
it.
But
my
sources
are
mainly
Twitter
in
in
YouTube
and
it's
funny
because
I
love
blog
posts
but
I
get
it's
like
I
haven't
been
reading
them
because
it
takes
a
long
time
to
read
a
blog
post
and
so
I
give
preference
to
video,
because
I
can
just
listen.
A
B
Yeah
I
think
it's
interesting.
There
are
a
number
of
people
that
I
follow
up.
You
know
been
cultivating
my
feed
pretty
carefully
trying
to
get
a
different,
a
but
a
broad
perspective
of
technical
stuff.
That's
happening,
but
also
I've
been
trying
to
develop
my
persona
on
Twitter
a
bit
more
right,
like
I'm,
actually
trying
to
build
my
audience
there,
and
so
what's
interesting.
There
is
that
I've
been
trying.
B
You
know
into
that
in
what
I've
been
doing
is
like
trying
to
like
amplify
voices
that
I
think
aren't
heard
enough
out
there
right,
and
so,
if
I
see
an
article
by
somebody
who's
just
coming
in
to
kubernetes
or
just
coming
into
distributed
systems
and
they've
taken
an
effort
to
like
really
like
lay
out
something
that
they
found
really
interesting
about
pretty
much
anything
I'm
like
okay.
Well,
that's
pretty
awesome
and
I'll
try
to
amplify
that
right
and,
and
sometimes
I
even
get
involved
or
I'll.
B
I
guidance
I
can
provide
or
around
that
hardest
sort
of
stuff.
So
if
I
see
them,
you
know
if
I,
if
I
see
people
like
having
a
difficult
time
with
a
particular
project
or
something
like
that,
like
I'll
reach
out
privately
and
say,
hey
can
I
help
you
with
things
so
that
you
can
go
out
there
and
you
know,
do
a
great
job.
You
know
like
this
is
totally
something
I'd
love
to
do,
but
I
think
yeah,
I.
B
Think
I
think
your
point
about,
like
you
know
not
necessarily
going
at
Twitter
for
like
the
deep
knowledge
stuff,
but
more
just
like
making
sure
that
your
awareness
making
sure
that
you
have
a
broad
enough
awareness
of
what's
happening
in
different
ecosystems.
So
you're,
not
surprised,
but
I,
think
is
when
things
change
right,
like
a
couple
of
people
that
I
follow
our
Akio,
Sunnah
I
can't
say
enough
about
that
person.
They
are
amazing.
B
B
C
Sorry,
it
was
just
like
just
to
close
that
out
because
so
you
know
like
when
I
kind
of
you
know
I
kind
of,
like
you
know,
use
Twitter
as
well
for
some
of
the
stuff.
But
you
know
you
know:
books
are
kind
of
a
resource
as
well,
but
in
my
head
are
kind
of
like
at
the
opposite
scale
and-
and
you
know,
I,
don't
obviously
don't
read
as
many
books
as
I
read:
Twitter
feed,
right
and
I'm,
it's
just
kind
of
like
with
Twitter.
C
You
can
kind
of
digest
the
whole
lot
of
stuff
and
with
books
it's
kind
of
like
I,
tend
to
be
trying
cuz
I
know
I'm
only
gonna
read
it
like
I'm,
only
gonna
read,
maybe
1/2
books
a
year.
I,
don't
know
I've
kind
of
like,
as
I
said
before,
where
a
lot
of
post
seem
to
take
up
my
reading
time
and
and
and
books
kind
of
tend
to
be
for
like
on
on
airplanes
and
stuff.
C
So
if
they're
just
kind
of
two
opposite
kind
of
resources
for
me,
but
I
find
actually
the
content
of
books
or
or
probably
stuff
that
I
digest
a
bit
more
because
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
I,
don't
know
well
back
to
the
old
days.
This
kind
of
a
physical
thing
in
hand
and
I
can
kind
of
read
it
and
digest
it
a
bit
more
than
sort
of
the
kind
of
throwaway
stuff.
C
That
kind
of
keeps
on
Twitter
because,
to
be
honest,
I,
don't
know
always
on
Twitter
who's
kind
of
the
person
to
listen
to
or
is
not
or
who's
and
I.
Just
try
and
form
my
own
opinions
and
then
again
it
kind
of
gets
a
bit
overwhelmed
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
content
just
streaming
through
continuously.
But
it's
a
book.
It's
kind
of
like
just
one
source
of
information
that
it's
kind
of
like
a
bit
more
personal.
That
I
can
digest
a
bit
more
any.
C
C
E
A
E
Found
the
managing
kubernetes
I
think
was
it
by
from
Brenton
burns
and
some
other
folks,
which
was
just
released
I
think
end
of
last
year,
I'm
super
deep,
and
that
is
kind
of
the
opposite
to
the
programming
communities,
because
I
like
that
as
well.
But
that
is
more
geared
towards
understanding,
architecture
and
operations,
operation
of
books.
A
If
you
know
where
you
need
to
to
learn
about
coordinator
for
kubernetes,
there's
amazing
books
out
there
and,
if
is
too
exploring
urban
eighties
and
trying
to
learn
I,
cannot
recommend
this
book
enough.
If
you
are
watching
us
on
YouTube,
you
see
the
cover.
It's
called
kubernetes
best
practices
because
in
Italy
about
coordinators
best
practices,
but
what
what
they
did
simultaneously-
and
maybe
they
didn't
even
realize
it's
just-
they
gave
a
map
I
think
so
so
you
go.
Oh,
these
are
all
the
elements
in
kubernetes.
Of
course,
this
is
a
saying.
Okay.
B
Yeah
so
I
was
gonna.
I
want
to
I
want
to
bring
it
back
to
the
the
patterns
that
we
see
prot
successful
projects,
projects
that
you
that
you
think
are
approachable
plate.
You
know
projects
that
are
out
there
and
make
it
make
it
easy
for
you
to
kind
of
stay
or
easier
at
least
stay
up-to-date
with,
and
what
some
of
those
patterns
are
that
you
think
are
are
useful
for
projects,
and
so
we
were
talking
about.
B
Like
you
know,
having
having
you
know,
perhaps
a
couple
of
different
entry
points
from
kind
of
a
weekly
report
mechanism.
We've
talked
about
the
one
that
lwk
D
is
I,
don't
think.
We've
got
talked
about
q
weekly,
which
is
actually
a
a
weekly
blog
that
is
actually
curated
by
a
lot
of
the
CN
CF
ambassadors.
D
One
that
I
really
like
so
kubernetes
for
everyone
listening
has
this
notion
of
special
interest
groups:
SIG's,
oftentimes
and
they're
focused
on
like
certain
areas
of
the
project.
So
there's
some
for
networking
and
storage
and
life
cycles
of
clusters
and,
what's
amazing,
I
try
to
watch
them
somewhat.
D
Weekly
I,
don't
always
succeed
is
they're
all
on
YouTube
and
if
you
go
to
the
kubernetes
project,
YouTube,
there's
playlist
for
every
cig,
so
a
lot
of
times
I'm
doing
work
relating
to
life
cycles
of
clusters,
so
I'll
open
up
the
cluster
life
cycle,
playlist
and
I'll
just
watch
the
weekly
meetings
like
while
it
doesn't
always
pertained
completely
to
me.
It
lets
me
understand
kind
of
where
the
developers
and
contributors
heads
are
at
and
where
they're
kind
of
headed
with
with
a
lot
of
different
things.
So
there's
a
link
to
that
as
well.
E
E
C
A
You
I
almost
feel
like
we
should
talk
about
tooling
to
handle
all
this
stuff.
For
example,
right
now,
I
think
I
have
200
tab
so
and
I
just
started
learning
about
some
Chrome
extensions
to
manage,
tabs
I
haven't
started
really
using
them,
but
I
need
and
so
I
don't
have
a
good
system.
My
system
is
open,
open
the
video
that
I'm
pretty
sure
I
want
to
watch
and
just
get
that
out.
A
Eventually
until
something
happens
and
my
Chrome
goes
bust
and
I
lose
out,
everything
wanted
to
make
sure
that
when
we
say
watch
YouTube,
sometimes
you
don't
need
to
sit
there
and
watch
actually
watch.
You
can
just
listen
to
it
and
if
you
pay
for
the
five
bucks
for
YouTube
premium,
I
don't
get
a
commission
you
people
but
I'm,
just
saying
for
me.
So
how
can
just
enough
you
know,
put
my
phone
in
my
pocket
and
if
listen,
it's
away
without
having
to
have
the
phone
open
and
on
the
whole
time
it's
very
handy.
B
E
So
I
look
a
tiny
little
go
tool
kind
of
my
first
exercise
there
to
just
parse
my
likes
and
then
use
JQ,
because
it's
all
jason
to
query
and
menu
manipulate
this
stuff,
and
so
that's
like
I,
almost
lose
use
it
every
day
because
I
was
like.
Oh,
there
was
a
talk
or
blog
post
about
scheduling
and
I,
just
grabbed
for
scheduling
and
the
likes
I'm
sure
there's
a
better
tool
or
way
of
doing
that.
But
for
me,
that's
my
because
that's
my
workflow.
B
B
We
could
do
it
without
without
being
related,
necessarily
to
anything
that
we're
doing
at
VMware
does
anything
to
do
with
the
community,
but,
like
obviously,
if
you
were
like
working
for
like
one
of
the
smaller
companies,
like
you
know,
a
honeycomb
or
you
know
some
other
company,
a
smaller
kind
of
startup,
you
could
really
just
you
know,
get
people
more
aware
of
that,
because
for
some
reason
people
love
to
watch
others
code
right.
They
get
Leyland
to
understand
like
how
people
go
through
that
like
what
their
thought
processes
and
it's
it's
totally.
B
C
B
Enough
twitter,
most
of
the
time
yeah
I,
mean
most
of
the
time.
It's
like
I
see
that
kind
of
stuff
happening
on
twitter-like.
Somebody
will
like
a
let's
go.
Professor,
a
number
of
other
people
will
say:
okay,
I'm
gonna,
do
a
live
stream
during
this
period
of
time
on
this
and
I've
actually
seen
a
number
of
people
doing
live
streams
on
CTFs,
which
are
capture
the
flags,
which
I
think
is
that
one's
really
been
fascinating
to
me
because
it's
been
like
you
know
how
do
people
think
about
approaching
the
security
of
an
application
like?
B
E
B
Is
a
one
thing
that
we've
all
said
pretty
consistently
here
is
that
it
is
a
lot
it
is,
and
it's
not
just
kubernetes
right
like
any
fast-moving
project
right.
It
could
be
your
favorite
Ruby
module
like
that.
Has
200
contributors
right
like
it,
it
doesn't
matter
what
it
is.
It
is
a
lot
to
keep
a
track
of
us,
but
and-
and
it
kind
of
represents,
so
that
you
know
a
cognitive
overheads
that
you
have
to
think
about.
B
You
know
like
that's
a
lot
of
it's
a
lot
to
take
on,
so
so,
even
if
it
is
overwhelming,
if
you
find
value
in
being
up-to-date
with
these
things,
just
figure
out
like
you
know
there
are
so
there
are
so
many
resources
out
there
that
address
these
different
audiences
and
figure
out
like
what
the
right
measure
for
you
is
right.
You
know
you
don't
have
to
go
deep
on
the
code
on
everything.
B
Sometimes
it
might
be
better
to
just
try
and
find
a
source
of
information
that
it's
just
that
gives
you
a
high
enough
with
you
right,
like
maybe
you're,
looking
at
the
blog
post
and
come
out
on
kubernetes,
not
I/o,
every
every
release
and
you're
just
looking
at
their
release
notes
and
if
you
just
read
the
release,
notes
every
release
test.
That
is
already
like
miles
ahead
of
what
I've
seen
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
folks
out
there
when
they're
starting
to
ask
you
questions
about
how
you
keep
up
to
date.
You
know
yeah
I'm,.
D
Curious
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
keeping
up
as
an
individual.
Do
you
all
have
strategies
for
how
you
help?
Let's
say
your
overall
team
keep
up
with
all
the
things
that
are
going
on
like
to
give
an
example:
Duffy
olive
and
myself
at
least
one
point,
we're
on
the
same
team
and
we'd
go
out
to
disparate
customers
and
see
all
these
different
new
things
that
they
were
trying
to
do
or
new
projects
they
were
using.
D
So
we'd
have
to
think
about
how
do
we
get
together
and
share
that
internally
to
make
sure
we're
kind
of
bringing
the
whole
team
along
with
what's
going
on
in
the
ecosystem,
especially
from
a
customer
perspective?
I
know
one
of
the
ways
that
we
do,
that
is
kind
of
having,
like
demos
and
things
of
that
nature
that
we
share
weekly
are.
There
are
other
strategies
that
you
all
use
with
your
teams,
to
kind
of
you
know,
share
interesting
information
and
news.
E
E
Obviously,
I'm
not
gonna
share
but
I
think
if
it's
related
to
something
that
the
team
does
or
to
calm
ground
and
then
I'll
Sharon's
like,
but
we
don't
have
any
formal
way
of
I
know
people
use
some
Reaper
routes,
weekly
reports
or
other
platforms
to
distribute,
but
we
just
use
like
just
business
like
it
didn't
just
discuss.
What's
like
I.
B
It
I
learned
a
new
cool
thing
about
you
know
whatever
today
right
and
so
we
would
say
I'm
gonna
and
then
we
would
start
up
a
zoom
call
around
that
and
then
people
could
join
if
they
wanted
to
to
be
a
part
of
the
live
discussion
or
not,
and
if
they
didn't
it
would
still,
it
would
still
be
able
to
see
the
recorded
zoom
pop
up
in
the
channel
later
on.
So
even
if
you're,
like
timezones,
don't
line
up
like
I
know
it's
2:00
a.m.
or
3:00
a.m.
B
or
something
like
that
for
Olive
right
now,
you
know
you
can
still
go
back
to
those.
You
can
still
go
back
to
those
recorded
sessions
and
like
because
you'll
see
it
in
your.
In
your
hear,
the
the
dailies
like
stuff
right,
you'll
be
able
to
see.
Oh,
it
was
a
conversation
about.
You
know
whether
you
should
deploy
kubernetes
crossed
availability
zones
or
not.
I
would
like
to
go
see
that
you
know
and
see
what
they
can
see
what
the
inputs
were,
and
so
that
can
be
helpful.
It's.
D
A
super
interesting
observation:
it's
almost
like
remote,
first
teams
that
are
kind
of
used
to
these
processes,
of
recording
everything
and
putting
it
in
a
Google,
Doc,
they're
kind
of
more
equipped
for
that
information
sharing.
Perhaps
in
like
the
watercooler
conversations
you'd
have
in
the
office
and.
C
You
know
that's
the
kind
of
main
channel
where's
the
bit.
Is
there
messages
in
the
middle
of
that
that
I
missed
that
were
kind
of
just
normal
discussions,
as
opposed
in
around
the
technical
stuff?
And
so
it
kind
of
made
me
a
bit
sad
right
because
I'm
like
I,
haven't
understood
something
and
there's
a
whole
other
stuff
on
this
channel
that
I
don't
understand,
but
it's
the
kind
of
central
channel
for
everyone.
So
it's
kind
of
like
think
you
know
you
end
up,
then
start
looking
up
things
that
they're
discussing
and
I.
C
A
Am
so
on
the
same
page?
That's
the
way
my
brain
works
as
well.
I
want
to
have
multiple
channels
if
we're
talking
about
slack
or
like
a
at
school,
but
some
people
have
so
clever
version
to
multiple
channels.
They
really
have
a
hard
time
dealing
with
two
minutes
like
what
like
pasty,
if
they
trash
hold
of
what
they
think
is
too
many
channels,
so
I'm
always
mindful
to
like.
No,
he
has
to
work
for
everybody,
but
if
it
was
up
to
me,
there
will
be
one
channel
per
topics.
I
know
what
to
focus
on.
A
If
you
said
something,
that's
so
interesting.
How
do
we
even
this
like,
like
you,
were
saying
in
the
context
of
channel
multiple
channels
and
if
I
go?
If
I
need
to
pay
attention
to
this
this
week,
as
opposed
to
like
I,
don't
need
to
look
at
this
until
sometime
in
the
future?
How
do
we
even
decide
right
what
we
pay
at
focus
on
big
disease
for
first
in
the
moment
versus
oh
wait,
we
it's
good
for
me
to
know,
but
I
don't
need
to
know
right
now.
A
I
am
super
bad
because,
when
I
see
something
that
is
going
to
give
me
the
fundamentals
but
I
don't
need,
like
I,
have
other
priorities
and
now
I
sort
of
want
to
always
consume
that
to
learn
the
fundamentals,
because
I
think
in
the
long
term
pays
off,
but
then
I
neglect.
Obviously
what
I
need
to
know
to
do
in
the
moment
and
I'm
trying
to
sort
of
speech
there
and
hope
and
get
focus
focus
on
the
moment
things.
A
E
But
if
you
put
in
like
a
Tod
or
like
to
like
you,
there
are
tweets
right
on
it.
A
lot
of
people
will
jump
on
to
it
because
they
can
just
easily
capture
it
and
they
can
still
read
the
full
article
if
they
want,
but
like
that
is
kind
of
something.
I
learned
that
this
pretty
what's
right,
word
helpful
to
to
my
to
my
followers
in
the
community,
but
I.
Just
don't
do
it
that
often
unfortunate
writing
summarizing
writing
I
kind
of
remember
like
the
debts,
how
the
brain
works.
B
Was
saying
this
is
definitely
one
of
those
things
where
you
can
be
the
change
you
want
to
see.
You
know
like
if
you
yeah
this
is
awesome.
I
will
also
say
that
it
means
what
you've
what
you've
just
raised,
which
is
like
a
super
valid
point
I
mean
like
not
everybody's
brain
works.
The
same
way
right
like
there
are
people
who
are
neurodivergent.
There
are
people
who
think
very
linearly
and
they're
very
comfortable
with
that.
B
People
who
don't
you
know,
and
so
like
is
it's
a
struggle,
I
think,
regardless
of
how
your
brain
is
wired,
to
understand
how
to
how
to
how
to
prioritize
the
attention
you
will
give
any
given
subject,
but
it's
some
in
some
cases,
your
brain,
it's
not
wired.
Your
brain
is
almost
wired
against
that
whole
idea.
B
A
Think
you
said:
you've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
We
are
so
set
up
for
failure
in
that
department
because
there
are
so
many
interesting
conversations
and
you
want
to
hop
in
and
you
want
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
part
of
the
group
and
socialize.
Our
work
is
so
isolating.
If
you
really
put
our
heads
down
and
just
work,
it
can
be
isolating
so
it's
great
to
participate
in
conversations
out
there,
even
if
it's
for
or
even
if
it's
via
Twitter
I
mean.
A
Obviously
we
are
very
biased
towards
Twitter
here
this
group,
but
not
every
not
even
isn't
on
Twitter.
So
just
keep
that
do
to
keep
that
in
mind
that
we
cognizant
of
that.
But
in
the
case
for
me,
I
think
the
the
instance
of
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
where
I'm
trying
always
to
cut
down
on
that
those
social
activities
that
seem
so
appealing
I,
don't
know
how
to
do
that.
I'm
working
on
I'm.
D
B
A
tricky
one
I
think
it's
also
interesting
exists.
I,
find
that
when
we
talk
about
things
like
work-life
balance,
right
we
can
see.
We
think
yet,
we
think
of
the
idea
of,
like
you
know,
maybe
work-life
balance
is
that
when
you
come
to
the
day,
you
go
home
and
you
don't
think
about
work
right,
and
sometimes
we
think
that
work-life
balance
means
that
you
have
a
certain
amount
of
time
off,
that
you
can
actually
spend
with
your
family
and
or
your
friends
or
your
community.
B
What
have
you
right
and
and
like
and
not
be
engaging
on?
Multiple
fronts
right
like
just
be
that
have
that
beat
your
focus,
but
when
it
comes
to
things
like
keeping
up
right
when
it
comes
to
things
like
learning,
work
or
elevating,
your
education
is
tough.
It
seems
like
for
the
most
part-
and
this
is
just
my
own
assumption-
I'm
curious,
though
how
you
all
feel
about
this-
that
we
don't
does
that
doesn't
enter
into
it
right.
Your
personal
time
is
totally
on
the
table
when
it
comes
to.
B
How
do
you
keep
up
with
these
things?
We
don't
even
think
about
it.
That
way,
right,
like
I,
know
I
personally,
don't
like
I.
Definitely
you
know,
I
I
definitely
have
to
do
more
to
cut
cut
back
on
the
amount
of
time
that
I
spend
reading
I'm
right
there
with
Michael
on
90%
of
my
time
with
my
eyes,
are
open.
They
either
reading
or
or
staring
up
at
this
guy,
while
I
try
to
think
about
what
I'm
gonna
write
next,
you
know
when
we're
in
the
other.
It's
like
that's
what
I'm
doing
yeah.
A
E
E
They
liked
a
little
Twitter
from
their
phones
or
any
messaging
and
other
stuff
and
I
think
I'm
at
the
point
where
I
also
need
to
do
that
when
it
comes
to
like
vacation,
video
or
whatever,
because
I'm
just
like,
as
you
said,
that
feed
my
free
time
is
on
the
table
when
it
comes
to
Twitter
and
catching
up
and
keeping
up
because
work
life
Ellen's
in
mind.
It's
not
yeah,
not
work,
but
what
does
not
work
for
like
hiding
in
all
the
space
like
what
does
not
work
there.
A
E
A
You
have
to
wait
things
and
what
are
your
goals
in?
How
is
that
going?
Is
that
the
best
way
to
girls
from
where
you
are
right
now,
and
maybe
you
know
Twitter,
you
will
for
a
while
bring
up
your
knowledge,
bring
up.
You
know
the
connections,
because
it's
great
for
making
connections
and
then
you
step
back
and
focus
on
something
else.
A
Then
the
ghost
sort
of
go
on
the
cycle
I'm
just
this,
how
I'm
thinking
now
it
just
like
Oliver
was
saying
a
you
know:
books,
a
great
blog
posts,
a
query
and
I
absolutely
agree
with
that.
It's
just
that
I
don't
have
even
the
time
and
when
I
had
a
fight,
if
I
had
a
time
my
I
be
reading
cold
and
I've
been
reading
things
all
day,
long
I,
just
really
tiring.
For
me
at
the
end
of
the
day,
to
sit
down
and
read
more
I,
actually
want
to
do.
A
B
Are
the
biggest
tips
to
the
speed
reading
I'd
ever
learned?
Was
that
you
frequently
when
you
read
you,
you
think
of
saying
the
word
and
if
you
can
get
out
of
that
habit,
if
you
can
get
out
of
the
habit
of
saying
that
even
with
your
mouth
or
you
just
get
out
of
that
habit,
that
will
already
increase
him.
The
quickness
with
which
you
eat.
A
B
This
point
means
you're,
pointing
to
I,
mean
I,
think
the
point
that
we're
all
kind
of
like
working
around
here
is
there's
a
great
panel
that
came
out
at
cube
con
EU
in
2019.
That
was,
it
was
hope
that
was
put
on
by
Aron,
Creek
and
burger,
where
to
lead
a
fashion
victim,
ara,
Steven,
Augustus
know
these
guys.
These
folks
are
all
very
high
output.
People
I
mean
they.
They
do
a
lot
of.
B
They
do
a
lot
of
stuff,
especially
with
him
with
regard
to
community
or
just
getting,
and
so
they
they
put
on
a
panel
that
was
talking
about
burnout
in
the
self
care
and
I
think
that
it's
definitely
worth
checking
that
one
out
and
actually
also
thinking
about
like
what
keeping
up
means
to
you
and
making
sure
that
you
are
you're.
You
you're,
measuring
that
against
your
ability
to
sustain
is
incredibly
important.
Right,
like
it's
I
feel
like
keeping
up
is
one
of
those
subjects
where
we
end
up.
B
It's
almost
insidious
in
its
way
to
it's
a
thing
that
we
can
just
do
all
the
time
we
can
just
spend
all
of
our
time
any
free
moment
that
you
have
you're
sitting
on
the
bus,
you're
trying
to
keep
up
with
things
and
and
and
because
that
happens
so
much
I
feel
like
that's.
That
is
sort
of
one
of
the
ways
that
we
can
feel
burned
out.
At
the
end
of
the
day
we
can
feel
like
we
got
we,
we
did
a
lot
of
things,
but
there
was
no
real
result
to
it.
B
You
know,
and-
and
you
know,
keep
keep
in
mind
that
that's
that's
part
of
it
right
like
when
you're
thinking
about
how
we
keep
up
with
it,
make
sure
that
the
value
to
your
time
is
still
is
still
something
that
you
that
you
have
some
cognitions
about.
You
know
that
you
have
some
thought
about,
but
is
worth
it
to
me
to
spend
these
six
hours
reading
everything
right
or
would
it
be
better
for
me
to
spend,
spend
some
of
that
time
just
not
reading
you.
B
A
Some
something
that's
a
lot
of
times.
We
don't
allow
ourselves
to
do,
and
I
decided
to
speak
for
everybody.
I'm.
Sorry,
I
just
do
nothing,
because
our
brain
needs
that
with
we
need
just
not
be
listening,
nah
be
reading,
just
nothing
just
sit
and
look
at
the
ceiling.
Our
brain
needs
that
ideally
look
at
look
at
nature
like
look
outside,
look
at
a
or
go
for
a
while.
We
need
that
because
that
recharges,
the
brain
anyway,
one
thing
that
also
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
Maybe
we
can
mentions
real,
quick
cuz.
A
B
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
this
is
the
different
patterns
that
we're
talking
about
so
I
think
it's
blog
posts,
help
I
have
I
like
the
idea
of
having
blogs
that
are
targeted
toward
different
audiences
I,
like
the
idea
of
having
an
aggregate.
Therefore,
a
project
I
mean
obviously
Cooper
D.
This
is
such
a
huge
ecosystem
that,
if
you
have
things
like
key
weekly
and
I,
know
that
there
are
actually
quite
a
number
of
things
out
there
that
try
and
do
this.
B
But
if
there's
like,
if
we
can
kind
of
agree
on
one
like
cubically
I,
think
is
a
pretty
good
one,
because
it's
actually
run
by
the
CNCs.
So
it's
kind
of
it
kind
of
falls
within
that
sort
of
governance,
a
model
but
having
an
aggregator
where
you
can
actually
like
produce
content
or
curate
content,
as
it
relates
to
your
project,
it's
helpful
and
then
you
know,
office
hours.
I
think
is
also
helpful
to
Josh's
point
I
mean
Lisa's
office
hours
and
C
hours.
Re
are
very
similar.
B
Things
I
mean
like
office
hours
they're,
like
you
know.
How
do
the
developers
think
about
what's
happening
with
the
space?
This
is
an
opportunity
for
you,
as
an
end
user,
to
show
up
and
ask
questions
those
sorts
of
patterns.
I
think
all
are
incredibly
helpful
as
a
project
to
get
out
there
do
those
things
yeah.
C
I
know
summary
articles
or
the
the
sort
of
TL
DR
that
Michael
mentioned
earlier.
I
think
I
need
more
than
kind
of
things
in
my
life
because
I'm
you
I,
do
a
lot
of
reading,
because
I
think
my
brain
is
a
bit
weird
in
that
I
need
to
read
something
about
like
five
or
six
different
times
from
five
or
six
different
kind
of
articles
for
it
to
sort
of
frame
in
my
head.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
do
like
for
2020
I'm,
you
know
and
always
trying
to
do
this.
C
C
If
I
need
to
get
it
up
and
further
down
under
the
weeds,
then
there's
more
reading
to
kind
of
do,
for
maybe
the
coding
or
the
technical
side,
but
sometimes
I,
just
I
can't
figure
out
what
this
feature
sort
of
means
and
what's
its
use
case
in
the
real
world
and
I,
have
to
kind
of
wait
through
lots
of
articles
and
sometimes
kind
of
vendor
specific
ones
and
they've
got
a
different
slant.
Then
maybe
an
independent
one
and
trying
to
marry
those
bits
up
in
my
head
kind
of
kind
of
kind
of
is
a
bit.
C
You
know
it's
a
bit
hard
for
me
so
and
there's
a
wealth
of
information,
so
you
kind
of
if
you're
interested
in
the
topic
and
there's
like
hundreds
of
articles
and
you
start
reading
four
or
five
and
they're
like
all
slightly
different.
But
you
know,
obviously
the
kind
of
it
comes
to
the
eventually
you
kind
of
figure
out
what
that
it.
What
you
know,
you're,
you're,
confident
and
I
understand
what
that
products
about.
But
it's
taken
a
long
time
to
get
there
and
it's
taken
a
lot
of
reading
time.
C
So
tea
of
yours,
like
really
work
and
I,
think
it
was
Josh
I
mentioned
before,
like
we
have
this
thing
internally,
where
we
do
bench,
demos
and
that's
kind
of
like
a
tldr.
You
know
and
at
show-and-tell
really
quickly
like.
This
is
what
this
does,
and
this
is
why
we
need
to
know
about
it,
and
this
is
why
our
customers
need
to
know
about
it.
C
The
end
you
know-
and
that's
really
really
useful,
because
that's
just
saved
a
whole
bunch
of
people
a
whole
bunch
of
time
figuring
out
a
whether
they
need
to
know
about
it
and
be.
You
know
actually
now
understanding
that
product
or
feature
at
the
end
like
5-10
minutes,
which
is
what
they
typically
are
so
they're
very
useful
for
short
snippets
of
information.
Maybe
we're
back
to
Twitter
I!
Think.
D
It's
helped
me
a
ton
and
then
that
asset
kind
of
becomes
reusable
to
share
with
other
people.
The
thing
that
you
wrote
so
for
people
listening
to
this
I
guess
maybe
I
call
to
action
for
2020
if
that's
kind
of
your
style
as
well,
consider
starting
to
write
yourself
and
becoming
a
resource
right,
because
even
if
you're
new
to
the
space
like
you'd,
be
amazed
at
how
just
writing
from
your
perspective
can
help
other
people
do
that
I.
Think
that's.
B
Think
another
one
that
I've
actually
been
impressed
with
lately
is
that
a
number
of
a
number
of
consumer
companies-
people
out
there
like
lyft
and
companies
like
that
and
I-
have
actually
started
to
surface
engineering
blogs
around
how
they're
using
technology
and
how
they're
using
technology
to
solve
things
which
I
think
you
know
as
a
service
provider
as
somebody
who's
involved
in
the
community
at
communities.
I
find
those
to
be
incredibly
valuable
because
I
get
to
actually
see
how
those
things
are
done.
I
mean
it
is
the
same
time.
I
see
things
like
you
know.
B
We
talk
about
Q
Khan,
which
is
a
convention
app
server
you're.
Obviously,
the
front
is
large
enough
to
support
it,
but
there's
actually
an
incentive.
If
you
are
a
consumer
of
that
project,
to
go
and
talk
about
how
you're
using
it
right
like
there,
its
incentivized
in
that
isn't
more
likely,
your
talk
will
be
accepted.
If
you
are
a
consumer
of
the
product
than
somebody
building
it
right
legally,
we
hear
from
people
building
it
all
the
time.
B
A
And
also
to
make
a
suggestion
is
not
so
much
following
on
the
threat
that
we're
talking
about
we're
just
now,
but
I
cannot
on
the
general
threat
of
this
episode.
If
you
have
resources
that
you
do
use
to
keep
up
pace,
stop
this
recording
right
now
and
go
and
give
us
give
them
a
like
give
them
a
follow.
A
Give
them
a
thumbs
up,
show
somehow
appreciation
because,
like
what
Duffy
said
just
now,
he
was
saying:
oh,
it's
so
helpful
when
I
read
a
blog
post,
but
people
who
are
writing
is
they
want
to
know
that
so
give
give
them
some
medication?
It's
so
it
counts
a
lot.
It's
a
kind
of
art.
It's
it
takes
a
lot
of
effort
to
sit
down
and
write
something
or
produce
a
podcast,
and
if
you
take
any
derive
any
benefit
from
it
show
appreciation,
it
motivates
people
to
keep
doing
it.
Yeah.
B
E
A
A
Go
through
a
lot
of
YouTube
videos,
and
sometimes
they
just
play
one
after
the
other,
but
sometimes
you
know
I've
been
making
the
points
of
going
back
and
like
liking.
It
liking
the
ones
I,
like
obviously
I.
Don't
like
everything.
I
mean
things
that
I
don't
like
I,
don't
listen,
II,
but
you've
know
what
I
mean
it's
just
it
takes.
It
takes
no
efforts,
but
just
so
people
know:
okay,
you
did
a
good
job
here.
Go
out
by
the
way
go
on.