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B
B
B
It
helps
us
have
a
productive
discussion,
which
is
why
we
are
here
today.
So
one
of
those
things
is
when
you
come
forward
to
testify,
it
will
make
sure
we
can
hear
you
in
the
microphone
state,
your
name
where
you're
from
and
then
we'll
get
your
testimony,
and
so
when
addressing
address
me,
mr
chairman
or
representative
greer,
is
fine.
B
What
we
try
to
do
is
what
we
do
is
work
through
the
chair,
so
being
that,
if,
for
example,
if
representative
heiner
had
a
question
he'd
say,
mr
chairman
I'd
recognize
him,
he
would
ask
whoever's
testifying
a
question
person
answering
would
go.
Mr
chairman,
representative
heiner
sounds
awkward,
but
trust
me.
It
really
does
help
with
the
smooth
and
it
takes
some
of
the
emotion
out
of
the
dialogue,
we're
not
here
to
argue
with
one
another.
B
We
are
here
to
discuss
very
important
issues,
so
with
this
special
session,
we
as
the
minerals,
business
and
economic
development
committee,
have
been
assigned
three
bills,
all
dealing
with
private
mandates.
We
have
before
us
house
bill
1001.
B
It
is
my
intent
as
a
chairman
is
for
us
to
work
in
and
pass
one
bill
out
to
the
chamber
for
that
discussion,
but,
as
is
done
oftentimes
rather
than
go
through
each
one
of
the
bills,
knowing
the
nature
of.
B
Of
the
passion
of
folks
regarding
these
issues,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
take
public
testimony
and
I'll
take
testimony
in
this
way
as
if
there
are
any
legislators
in
the
audience
which
I
do
not
see
that
give
them
preference.
I
don't
see.
B
Oh
oh
I'm
sorry,
representative,
banks,
okay
and
if
there
are
any
agencies-
and
I
don't-
is
there
anyone
from
workforce
services
here
that
I
don't
recognize?
Okay,
so
with
that,
hopefully,
everyone
signed
up
for
the
list.
Can
I
just
just
we've
got
the
list
here
and
I
visually
just
get?
Who
all
intends
are
wishes
to
testify?
B
Okay,
so
with
that
in
mind,
what
I'll
ask
is
that
and
again
and
and
I've
spoken
to
some
400
people
in
my
community?
B
B
How
do
I
say
this?
We've
already,
we've
all
heard
a
lot
already
coming
in
okay.
So
what
we
need
from
you
is
it's
really
important
and
and
try
to
be
succinct
with
that
and
to
the
point,
to
the
extent
that
you
have
any
amendments
or
changes
to
any
one
of
the
bills.
Please
call
that
out
to
us
any
suggestions
and
let
us
know
this
is
one.
In
my
opinion,
this
is
the
best
committee
in
the
legislature.
We
have
a
broad
group
of
people
here,
primarily
business
folks.
B
Or
maybe
it's
they're
all
biz,
sorry
everybody's
in
business,
except
for
the
retired
ones
representative.
There
sensitive
to
all
of
the
issues
that
are
associated
with
this.
So
with
that
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
kind
of
punch
down
this
list,
and
so
I've
got
and
of
course
I
don't
read
well.
What
is
that?
Jacob?
B
B
C
C
C
B
C
D
C
Jake,
my
name
is
jacob
power.
I
am
from
worland
wyoming
and
I
work
at
banner
health
washakie
medical
center.
Oh,
what
I
wanted
to
speak
to
you
about
today
was
personal
experience
that
I
have
had.
I
have
been
called
into
my
manager's
office
on
more
than
one
occasion,
and
it
was
quite
an
interesting
experience
because
during
that
time
they
were
asking
me
my
intentions
with
the
vaccine
mandates.
C
The
reason
I
find
this
interesting
is
because
these
people,
the
employers,
the
managers,
people
that
are
working
above
me,
they
have
no
right
to
look
into
my
medical
record
without
my
permission,
but
that's
exactly
what's
happening.
This
has
also
happened
to
another
one
of
my
colleagues,
regardless
of
their
stance.
C
C
This
is
coercion.
This
is
invasion
of
privacy.
What
I
wanted
to
do
today
was
to
ask
you,
with
the
entirety
of
all
of
the
bills,
is
to
strike
down
this
mandates
in
its
entirety,
as
it
does
go
against
from
what
I
do
believe
and
from
what
I
have
read
in
the
constitution
of
wyoming
and
of
this
country.
It
goes
against
it
in
entirety.
E
Any
questions
for
mr
progress
go
ahead.
Representative
bear.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Mr
powers,
thank
you
for
being
here.
You
just
mentioned
something
that
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
expound
upon.
You
said
that
religious
exemptions
were
denied.
Could
you
just
give
us
a
little
idea
how
you
know
that
they
were
denied
and
if
you
know
why.
C
C
F
B
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
powers.
All
right,
I've
got
lorena
stewart
next
yep,
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
go
down
the
list,
because
I
see
sort
of
banner
health
like
right
in
the
middle
of
the
list.
So
we'll
be
perfect
for
that.
H
Where
do
I
even
start?
Okay,
so
lorena
stewart
from
orland
wyoming?
I
work
for
banner
health
and
I
also
like
jacob
m
a
multi-modality
radiology
tech.
I've
been
a
a
tech
for
17
years
and.
H
My
biggest
thing,
I
know
you
all
probably
want
some
things
that
we
would
like
for
you
all
to
do
during
these
bills,
and
one
of
my
biggest
thing
is
that
so
I
was
one
of
the
ones
that
did
get
a
religious
exemption
denial
and
it's
almost
laughable
to
me
because
of
the
fact
that
I've
been
a
born-again
christian
since
the
age
of
eight
and
anyone
that
knows
me
knows
that
I
mean
I
think
everybody
was
shocked
when
they
heard
that
mine
got
denied,
but
that
just
kind
of
goes
to
the
point
that
for
years
all
I've
had
to
do
for
like
flu
exemptions
and
that
sort
of
thing
check
a
box
submit
it.
H
Send
it
in
no
questions
asked.
So
it
really
bothers
me
and
has
bothered
me
from
the
get-go
when
they
put
this
mandate
down,
that
they
all
of
a
sudden
decided
to
change
the
exemption
forms.
You
know,
even
even
medical
even
has
become.
You
know
four
pages
long
now,
so
just
a
physician
signing
off
stating
that
their
patient
should
not
have
or
should
not
get
a
certain
vaccination
is
not
enough
anymore.
H
So
now
it
has
to
be
sent
through
some
clerical
person
and
who
knows
timbuktu
somewhere
and
they
just
basically
either
say
yes
or
no
without
knowing
you
not
knowing.
If
you
have
a
you
know
sincere
religious
belief,
knowing
nothing
about
you,
how
they
can
just
just
deny
it
on
no
no
basis,
and
so
when
I
got
my
denial
letter,
it
basically
said
no
sincerely
held
belief
here.
H
It
was
like
a
form
letter
that
they
sent
to
me,
and
so
so
I
would
like,
if
there's
some
way
to
make,
that
the
exemption
process
just
be
back
to
simple
how
it
used
to
be.
I
mean
to
me
that
that's
huge
and
that's
been
a
big
pressure
for
all
of
the
other
employees,
my
other
colleagues
that
have
wanted
to
put
forth
a
religious
or
medical
exemption
that
now
it's
like
the
forum,
you
feel
like
you
need
to
hire
an
attorney
just
to
fill
it
out.
H
You
know
it's
just
ridiculous
and
we
we
know,
because
we
get
the
feeling
from
being
there,
that
you
know
they
want
us
to
jump
through
these
hoops.
They
didn't
want
it
make
it
easy.
They
didn't
want
to
say
well
we'd
like
for
you
to
have
the
the
vaccine,
but
yet
here
are
your
other
options.
Also,
it
was
not
presented
like
that
to
us,
and
so
that's
the
biggest
thing
that
has
been
so
disheartening
to
us
and
really
disappointing,
because
I
I
really
I
loved
working
for
banner
health.
H
You
know
up
until
a
couple
months
ago
and
all
this
came
down-
they're,
wonderful,
probably
the
best
company
I've
ever
worked
for
actually
and
I've
told
a
lot
of
my
friends
and
family
members.
I've
never
had
a
company
that
I
really
enjoyed
working
for
this
much
before
this,
but
it's
completely
changed
the
atmosphere.
And
another
thing
is
that
so,
along
with
the
exemption
process-
and
I
know
in
some
of
these
bills
and
there's
so
many-
I
read
so
I
don't
can't
remember
specifically
if
this
one
did
but
natural
immunity.
H
So
it's
been
very
evident
to
us,
especially
in
our
radiology
department,
at
washiki,
that
we
almost
hate
to
say
that
we're
thankful
that
we
all
got
coveted
last
year,
but
we
all
did
and
recovered
and
are
doing
fine.
So
then,
this
new
surge
that
coincidentally
started
becoming
very
overwhelming
after
the
push
for
these
mandates,
we're
the
only
department
in
the
entire
hospital
that
has
not
been
short
staffed.
H
That
has
not
had
to
hire
and
improv
and
bring
more
and
have
others
come
to
help,
and
even
some
of
the
senior
executive
people
have
had
to
go
and
help
in
some
of
the
other
departments.
We
are
the
only
department
that
has
not
had
that
issue
because
we
all
recovered
from
covet
last
year,
so
we
so
it's
almost
like
our
own
little
clinical
trial
within
the
walls
of
our
hospital.
Because
of
the
fact
that
we
are
right
in
direct
patient
care
all
day
every
day.
H
We're
on
call
one
of
us
is
is
working
24.
You
know
for
the
for
the
hospital
there
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week,
so
in
that
time
there's
not
been
a
single
one
of
us
that
have
been
sick.
I've
had
to
miss
days
but
yeah,
every
other
department.
There
has
been
so
within
that
kind
of
little
thing
that
we
see
almost
like
an
experiment
within
our
our
hospital,
we're
good
we're
almost
like
bulletproof.
We
feel
that
way.
H
So
I
I
would
really
really
like
for
something
about
natural
immunity
as
one
of
the
exemptive
processes
to
be
put
in
there.
H
I
know
some
of
the
bills
mention
kids
and
I
know
all
that's
kind
of
coming
down
the
pike
now
with
the
kids
getting
pushed
for
vaccines,
and
it
just
worries
me
so
much
because
I
know
the
heart
of
most
parents,
and
especially
in
the
state
of
wyoming,
and
I
remember
watching
a
committee
meeting
where
pastor
clem
said
something
about
he
has
had
to
deal
with
so
many
people
like
normal
sane
individuals
that
he's
having
to
talk
off
the
ledge
now
because
they're
talking
about
doing
really
insane
things.
H
Which
would
not
be
good,
and
then
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
individual
rights
should
be
so
much
more
important
than
these
corporations
and
businesses
we're
the
ones
that
voted
for
you.
H
We
may
not
be
the
ones
putting
money
in
your
pocket,
because
I
hear
a
lot
of
stories
about
different
companies
lining
pockets
of
politicians,
specifically
ones
that
might
be
in
this
room,
and
that
bothers
me,
and
so
I
want
to
investigate
that
more
and
it.
I
just
want
to
implore
that
you
remember
that
our
constitution
is
more
about
our
individual
rights
than
these
corporate
corporate
business
rights.
We
we
should
supersede
that.
K
Representative,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Ms
stewart,
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
appreciate
you
being
taking
some
time
to
be
here
in
front
of
us.
You
mentioned
that
you
were
denied
your
your
opportunity
to
be
exempted.
Is
there
a
process
in
place
to
appeal
that
decision
or
get
more
clarification
for
the
reasons
of
that
exemption,
or
is
it
just
closed
at
that
point.
H
There
is
not
so
I
almost
hate
to
bring
this
up,
because
I
know
that
my
case
is
is
special,
and
so
I
mean,
if
anything,
it
shows
maybe
some
discrimination
on
their
part.
H
But
I
actually,
when
I
resubmitted
my
form,
because
we
we
have
had
several
that
have
got
the
religious
denials
resubmitted
it.
I've
heard-
and
I
don't
know
this
for
sure,
but
one
girl
that
I
know
resubmitted
twice
and
either
the
second
or
the
third
time
anyways.
It
then
finally
got
approved,
but
that
just
takes
me
back
to
the
whole
thing
of
it
shouldn't
be
like
a
denial
approval
process.
I
don't
I've,
never
in
anywhere
that
I've
ever
worked
in
my
almost
20
years
in
the
healthcare
field.
H
It
was
never
like
a
denial
process.
It's
okay!
You
have
a
religious
exemption
or
medical
exemption.
If
you
have
it
signed
off
by
a
doctor
and
that's
it,
you
submit
it
end
of
sort,
you're
compliant
and
then
there's
accommodations.
You
know
when,
when
you
choose
not
to
have
the
vaccines
and
that's
fine,
we've
always
gone
along
with
those
accommodations.
That's
not
a
problem.
You
know
the
masking
and
stuff
like
that.
That's
not
a
problem!
It's
just
the
fact
that
they
even
have
the
right
to
deny
us
something.
H
K
K
B
B
M
N
M
N
Mr
chairman,
mary
lynn,
schickish
representing
banner
health,
which
has
four
hospitals
in
wyoming,
wyoming
medical
center,
whirland
wheatland
and
torrington.
N
It's
a
private
non-profit
company
that
has
52
000
employees
throughout
six
states
in
wyoming,
there
are
1629
employees
and,
as
of
today,
160
have
not
met
have
been
in
compliance,
so
the
regulations
are
such
that
they
will
be
able
to
stay
employed
until
the
end
of
november.
There's
a
process
which
I'd
be
happy
to
discuss.
If
asked
about
how
that
is
handled
in
whirling,
for
example,
there
are
seven
employees
who
have
not
yet
met
the
mandate
for
the
requirements
84
have
been
vaccinated
and
16
have
received
exemptions.
N
Allow
others
here
to
discuss
specifically
about
how
the
process
works
and
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
the
questions,
and
then,
with
your
permission,
mr
turner,
we
would
like
to
suggest
a
couple
of
amendments
to
house
bill.
One.
B
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
my
name's,
lance
porter,
I'm
the
ceo
of
banner
wyoming
medical
center,
and,
if
I
could
I'd
like
to
just
appreciate
the
my
colleagues
who
have
shared
their
feelings,
I've
heard
many
of
the
same
things
from
the
employees
that
work
for
me
at
wyoming
medical
center
and
provide
and
try
to
provide
for
my
employees
the
why,
behind
some
of
these
processes
that
we
have
in
place,
you
know
we.
O
We
have
repeatedly
gone
to
our
employees
to
ask
what
their
intention
is
in
regards
to
the
vaccine
mandate
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
we
are
an
operation
that
the
community
relies
on
to
be
open,
24,
7.
and,
and
we
need
to
have
a
contingency
plan
for
those
who
choose
not
to
continue
to
work
or
get
a
vaccination.
O
O
That
is
a
that
is
a
difficult
one.
You
know
right
now.
There
is
a
single
organization
within
banner
health
that
reviews
all
of
those.
The
alternative
was
to
have
that
done
at
29,
different
locations
being
maybe
interpreted
differently,
and
so
we
had
a
single
per.
You
know
a
single
organization
that
was
reviewing
and
approving
those,
so
those
were
done
in
a
consistent
manner,
and
so
you
know
at
first
it
was
called
a
religious
exemption,
but
more
and
more
it
has
been
strongly
held
beliefs.
O
I
don't
have
insight
onto
why
some
were
approved
and
some
were
not.
That
would
come
down
into
how
they
expressed
their
their
strongly
held
beliefs.
You
know
I've
been
I've
been
involved
in
health
care.
I've
worked
in
hospitals,
my
entire
career.
O
O
My
job
is
not
only
help
people
but
to
protect
the
patients
that
come
to
my
hospital
and
to
protect
the
employees
they're,
providing
that
care,
and
I
feel
that
the
reason
that
we
are
proposing
this
vaccine
mandate
is
to
be
able
to
provide
that
vaccination
status.
We
have
we
have
patients
who
have
requested
only
nurses
that
are
vaccinated
to
provide
the
care
because
they
want
that
they
want
that
protection,
protect
our
other
patients
that
are
there
and
protect
our
employees.
O
The
problem
that
we
face
is
when
you
are
unvaccinated
and
you're
exposed
outside
of
work
or
you
get
you
get
covered
you're
out
of
the
fight,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
employees
are
in
the
fight
and
can
care
for
those
patients
the
reason
they
got
into
health
care.
Last
week
we
had
a
census
of
206
patients
that
is
the
highest
we
have
ever
had
at
wyoming.
Medical
center
of
those
87
were
coveted
positive
of
those
seven
were
unvaccinated
or
were
vaccinated,
so
the
far
majority
were
unvaccinated.
O
O
We
can
talk
a
bit
later
about
amendments
to
to
bill
number
one:
zero
zero
one,
but
I
would
appreciate
your
time
and
and
ask
if
you
have
any
other
questions.
O
Q
O
This
reporter
go
ahead
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
cannot
because
I
have
not
read
every
single
exemption.
You
know
that
that
would
be
as
we
talk
about
invasion
of
privacy,
and
you
know
people
strongly
held
belief.
That's
why
it
is
one
organization,
that's
reviewing
these
and
approving
these.
I
would
imagine
it
has
to
do
with
something
that
has
how
how
they
express
themselves
or
you
know,
but
you
know,
there's
a
litmus
test.
Q
Represent
a
great
follow-up.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I've
had
moments
where
I've
had
sincerely
held
beliefs,
but
haven't
done
a
great
job
of
expressing
myself.
O
Good,
mr
poor,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
people
have
their
strongly
held
beliefs
and
sometimes
it's
hard
to
express
those
on
a
piece
of
paper.
But
again
the
position
of
banner
health
has
been
that
vaccines
are
the
best
way
to
protect
our
patients,
and
so
our
efforts
have
been
on
to
encourage
people
as
much
as
possible
to
get
those
vaccines
so
that
they
can
number
one
stay
healthy
themselves.
So
they
can
stay
in
the
fight
and
continue
to
treat
our
patients
and
number
two
to
protect
their
colleagues
and
protect
their
patients.
O
Right
now,
when,
like
I
said
when
somebody
is
unvaccinated
and
they
are
exposed
they're
out
of
the
fight
for
10
to
14
days,
those
shifts
that
burden
then
goes
on
to
those
that
are
vaccinated
and
stay
in
the
fight.
That's
where
coveted
fatigue
comes
from,
and
so
there
has
to
be
that
barrier.
There
has
to
be
that
encouragement
for
those
who
sit
on
the
fence
one
way
or
the
other
to
become
vaccinated,
because
really
we
feel
that
that
is
the
best
way
to
protect
our
patients
and
our
staff.
K
Representative
heiner,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
porter.
If
someone
submits
an
application
for
an
exemption
and
it's
denied
and
then
they
decide
to
resubmit,
it
does
that
resubmittal
go
to
the
exact
same
department
and
the
same
person
that
denied
that
exemption.
To
start
with.
I'm
sorry,
I
can't
love
you.
B
Sorry
we
have
legislators
going
different
directions
right
now,
as
everybody
is
so
any
other
questions
for
mr
reporter.
What's
that
oh
go
ahead!
I'm
sorry.
O
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
have
a
procedural
question
so
previous
to
vaccinations
previous
to
covet
previous
testimony
just
stated
that
she
was
able
to
religiously
exempt
herself
from
a
flu
vaccine
and
it
was
a
check
box.
So
it
did
these
new
forms
come
in
after
covid
and
is
it
a
short
answer,
essay
type
for
religious
exemption
versus
just
a
check
box,
as
it
was
before.
R
Sir
yep
doctor
none
go
ahead,
introduce
yourself!
Thank
you.
My
name
is
andy
dunn,
former
chief
of
staff
at
weymouth
medical
center,
now,
chief
of
primary
care,
I've
been
leading
the
covid
response,
and
the
inpatient
and
outpatient
setting
for
18
months
now
seems
like
the
world's
been
tilting
on.
R
That
whole
time
in
going
back,
if
I
can
merge
your
question
with
representative
gray's
question,
it's
very
layered
and
very
com
complicated
in
that
with
the
new
vaccine.
A
lot
of
people
didn't.
There
are
a
lot
of
information
that
wasn't
true
that
wasn't
consistent
with
what
was
in
the
actual
vaccine.
R
For
instance,
if
someone
due
to
religious
beliefs
did
not
want
to
have
pork
in
any
type
of
their
the
vaccination,
then
that's
a
case
where
they
can
write
that
down,
as
opposed
to
just
a
simple
check
mark,
because
we
know
at
the
eua
that
there's
still
more
to
be
publicized
about,
what's
in
the
vaccine
and
to
educate
everyone
about
the
vaccine,
also
fetal
tissue,
where,
where
was
that
with
the
mrna
vaccines
versus
the
johnson,
johnson
and
astronomica?
R
So
there's
so
many
different
types
of
vaccine,
and
and
does
it
change
your
dna
and
there's
some
religious
questions
with
that
from
different.
R
So
it's
that's.
Why
there's
there's
a
there's
more
to
write
in
that
box
in
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense.
E
Yeah
go
ahead.
Representative.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Mr
porter,
thank
you
for
being
here.
You
made
a
great
argument
about
how
you
want
to
stay
in
the
fight.
Keep
your
employees
in
the
fight,
so
you
can
protect
and
provide
the
services
that
you
are
to
provide.
E
There's
been
studies
that
come
out
have
come
out
that
make
it
pretty
clear
that
natural
immunity
is
superior
to
vaccinated
immunity,
and
so
I
just
want
to
know:
are
you
making
efforts
to
increase
the
natural
immunity
of
your
your
employees,
for
instance,
making
sure
they're
sleeping
well
they're
eating
right
that
they're
exercising
do
you?
Do
those
things
as
well
to
mitigate
the
dangers
to
your
customers
and
to
your
fellow
employees?.
O
Yeah
good,
mr
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
again
this
this
might
be
a
question
that
might
be
better
answered
by
a
physician
in
terms
of
of
a
part
of
that.
But
but
yes,
every
every
banner
health
hospital
has
a
wellness
program
where
you
are
encouraged
to
eat
well
to
get
exercise
to
sleep.
Well,
throughout
this
pandemic
we
have
made
counselors
available.
You
know
the
we
call
it.
O
The
the
second
victim
are
the
nurses
and
the
doctors
that
actually
see
somebody
die,
and
so
we
have
provided
counselors
to
help
see
them
through
that
stress
and
and
look
for
mental
health
and
well-being,
as
well
as
physical.
E
Here
go
ahead
and
represent
there.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
You're
requiring
a
vaccine
but
you're
not
requiring
these
other
prohibitive
measures
is
that
right.
O
So
the
the
wellness
program
is
voluntary.
T
Committee,
any
representative,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
mr
porter.
This
is
going
to
follow
up
to
representative
bear's
question.
Do
you
allow
antibody
tests
as
grounds
for
exemption
good?
Mr.
O
R
Thank
you
and
if
I
could
actually
merge,
the
two
questions
that
were
just
brought
up
natural
immunity
is
absolutely
immunity
and
divide
the
virus.
The
thing
about
it
is:
we
have
asymptomatic,
mild,
moderate
spirit
disease
so,
for
those
that
have
asymptomatic
mild
disease
may
not
have
that
natural
immunity.
R
As
long
as
say,
someone
with
moderate
to
severe
disease
that
had
a
longer
fight,
so
to
speak,
of
the
of
the
virus
that
produce
more
antibodies
and
a
greater
immune
response,
and
so
the
the
immunity
several
different
studies
has
been
shown
to
the
antibodies
that
last
a
little
bit
longer
than
the
asymptomatic
or
mild
disease,
and
going
back
to
your
question
with
the
serial
positive
surveillance,
it's
at
this
time,
it's
not
recommended
and
was
several
different
reasons
not
to
get
too
nerdy.
R
But
when
you
go,
when
you
talk
about
igm
and
igg,
igm
is
an
antibody.
That's
elicited
in
the
first
part
of
the
immune
response
and
somewhere
between
seven
and
fourteen
days
after
you
start
showing
signs
of
symptoms,
and
then
it
debates
thereafter.
But
then
igg
is
another
antibody
that
can
persist
for
for
years.
Actually,
but
there's
no
correlation
at
this
time
between
the
igg
response
and
your
immune
immune
system's
ability
to
recognize
a
new
variant
or
even
the
same
variant
and
fight
it
off
effectively.
R
But
we've
learned
about
the
spike
protein
and
the
nucleic
acids
and
binding
of
the
ac2
receptor.
And
this
thing
is
it's
a
horrible
machine,
this
virus
and
there's
so
many
different
mechanisms
that
we're
still
working
through
and
trying
to
figure
out,
and
we
don't
have
those
specific
antibodies,
hopefully
in
due
time,
but
right
now,
the
igm
igg
antibodies
are
not
recommended
for
serial
surveillance
because
clinically,
what
do
we
do
with
that?
R
So,
let's
say:
if
someone
comes
and
they're
igm
positive,
do
you
let
them
go
back
to
work,
but
if
that's
day
eight
of
their
symptoms,
then
they
could
be
potentially
shedding
the
virus,
and
so
that
doesn't
mean
they
have
immunity
and
it
means
that
they're
still
actively
infected.
So
we
as
clinicians
we
kind
of
have
to
think
through
the
process
of
when
did
the
symptoms
start
and
there's
just
and
is
it
cross-reactive
with
any
other
coronal
viruses
there's
just
so
much
to
it.
R
Unfortunately,
so,
hopefully
in
due
time
that
will
be
further
developed,
but
right
now
it's
not
recommended.
B
We
we
have
exemptions
or
people
that,
if
they're
able
to
qualify
for
them,
so
I
assume
they're
using
those
same
measures
so
we're
down
to
a
handful
of
people
in
new
orleans.
When
I
understood
from
what
was
said
earlier,
why
is
it
that
they
can't
receive
a
reasonable
accommodation
and
keep
their
job
and
continue
to
be
a
member
of
my
community
and
help
care
for
the
members
of
my
community.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
that
question.
I
was
in
casper
in
november
when
we
had
that
surge.
I
had
just
joined
wyoming
medical
center
and
and
was
there
to
help
manage
that
that
last
surge,
I
think
one
of
the
differences
between
then
and
now
is
that
back
then
you
know
there
were
different
tools.
We
didn't
have
vaccines
available
to
us.
That
really
came
out.
O
The
big
effort
started
in
december
and
january
of
our
healthcare
workers
and
our
and
over
65,
and
I
think
since
then
the
numbers
have
have
proven
out,
especially
just
looking
at
what
I
see
at
the
hospital
every
day
that
unvaccinated
patients
are
more
likely
to
end
up
in
the
hospital
end
up
in
the
icu,
ended
up
on
ventilators,
which
overloads
our
hospital
and
makes
it
harder
for
us
to
care
for
everybody.
O
So
back,
then
we
didn't
have
that
tool.
Now
we
do
and
we're
seeing
that
it
does
have
an
impact,
and
so
our
effort
has
been
to
promote
vaccination
for
as
many
employees
as
we
possibly
can
and
and
to
date
we
have
been
able
to
get
75
of
the
hospital
employees
are
vaccinated.
80
of
our
clinic
employees
are
vaccinated,
so
there
are
very
few
that
are
not
watching
these
proceedings
now.
O
But
but
again,
I
think
what
we
like
is
is
a
a
toolkit,
so
vaccines
exemptions,
regular
testing
and,
I
think,
mary
lynn.
My
colleague
would
like
to
talk
about
some
of
the
amendments
we'd
like
to
make
to
to
build
one
zero,
zero
one
that
would
help
us
to
to
accomplish
all
these
things.
B
I
still
I
understand,
there's
another
tool
and
there's
a
difference
between
promote
and
mandate.
You
agree
with
me
on
that,
so,
but
those
patients
that
have
exemptions.
What
are
you
doing
or
the
excuse
me
those
employees
that
have
exemptions?
I
assume
they're
using
you,
have
safety
measures
in
place
that
allow
them
to
continue
to
work
correct.
O
So
everybody
at
the
hospital
follows
standard
precautions,
whether
you're,
vaccinated
or
not,
everybody
masks.
Everybody
is
temperature,
checked
as
you
walk
in
the
hospital.
We
make
sure
that
we're
doing
absolutely
everything
we
can
for
those
that
receive
exemptions
they
still
have
to
match.
They
have
to
do
everything
that
they
can.
O
In
addition,
they
were
required
to
do
regular
testing
as
well
to
make
sure
that
when
they
walk
in
the
door,
we
are
as
certain
as
possible
that
they
are
not
that
they
do
not
have
coveted,
and
so
you
know
we
will
require
additional
steps
for
those
people
that
have
exemptions.
O
O
The
word
mandate
was
because,
at
the
time
there
was
no
legal
legislative
opposition
and
we
felt
that
this
was
absolutely
necessary
for
employees
to
provide
as
best
coverage
and
protection
as
they
could,
because
we
feel
that
is
the
best
way
to
keep
our
patients
and
our
staff
safe.
B
So
mary
elaine,
you
had
some
amendments
you
wanted
to
or
some
suggestions
you
wanted
for
the
committee
we'll
be
more
than
happy
to
jot
those
down.
Thank.
N
N
Would
ask
you
to
please
insert
the
following
sentence
and
after
I
give
it
to
you
I'll,
explain
an
employer
that
promulgated
a
cova,
19
vaccine
requirement
prior
to
the
effective
date
of
this
act
is
not
subject
to
the
delay
date
prescribed
in
this
section.
I'd
be
happy
to
make
copies
available.
Essentially
that
particular
section
of
the
law
holds
a
period
of
60
days
before
you
can
continue
with
this
program
and,
as
has
been
testified
here
today,
we
absolutely
comply
to
every
requirement.
That's
in
the
law
that
you
all
pass.
N
If
you
should
choose
to
pass
one,
we
just
like
the
opportunity
to
continue
to
test
employees
who
do
not
meet
the
requirement
so
that
we
can
try
to
keep
people
as
safe
as
we
can,
and
this
as
I
understand
it,
not
strictly
related
to
our
banner
health.
But
there
are
other
employers
in
the
state
who
also
have
programs
in
place.
So
this
would
just
allow
us
the
opportunity.
N
B
N
B
You
know
I
have
150
employees
and
we're
taking
reasonable
precautions
to
protect
them,
but
we're
not
mandating
testing
our
mandating
vaccination,
but
testing
is
is
in
our
our
arsenal
and
I
don't
believe
that
this
prohibits
that
so,
okay,
but
good
point
clear:
clear
laws:
good
law!
Okay,
what's
your
next
point.
N
Mr
chairman,
we
also
regard
to
the
question
about
the
coveted
antibodies
on
page
five.
Page
six
is
related
to
the
use
of
the
blood
test
for
the
covered
antibodies.
We
think
that
this
bill
essentially
is
a
vaccine
or
testing
and
that
particular
item
in
there
isn't,
as
we
understand
it,
necessarily
to
this
bill
and
it's
so
it's
really
extra
extraneous
it's
it's.
It's
part
of
the
opportunity
that
employer
can
use,
but
it
isn't,
it
isn't
necessarily
required.
B
Yeah
we
we've
got
a
drafting
correction
there.
You
know
the
bill
is
put
together
with
some
placeholders
for
discussion
points,
and
I
think
I
think
we'll
see
some
amendments
to
clear
that
out
straight
state
you're
concerned
one
more
time,
so
we
all
understand
it.
R
Okay,
we're
listening,
go
ahead,
doctor
I'll,
be
quick,
the
serial
positivity,
the
serial
positive
examination.
Isn't
we
can't
clinically
correlate
it
so
I
I
would
recommend
that
you
we
look
at
either
removing
that
or
putting
in
some
other
form
of
surveillance
like
pcr,
that
you
can
test
for
asymptomatic
patients
as
well
as
symptomatic
patients
for
active
infection.
If
that's
the
goal
of
that
that
paragraph,
but
the
cereal
looking
at
antibodies,
is
clinically
very,
very
gray
area
difficult
to
clinically
correlate.
B
I
think
I
don't
well,
I
guess
my
name's
on
the
bill,
so
I'll
tell
you
what
we
were
trying
to
have
a
place
marker
for
was
natural
immunity.
It
is
another
component
of
that.
I
I
also
agree
that
the
antibody
test
is
not
very
damn.
Excuse
me
not
very
accurate,
so,
okay,
I'm
sorry.
N
Okay,
mr
chairman,
is
ready
to
comment
on
all
bills
now
or
just
this
particular
one,
because
they
have
similar
concerns
with
house
bill
nine
as
well
in
terms
of
the
dates,
but
I
would
be
happy
to.
B
N
So,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
We
do
also
want
to
just
say
that
we
we
understand
every
employee
and
the
problems.
This
is
potentially
causing
them
and
we
know
it's
it's
individual.
In
each
case,
the
company
banner
health
is
really
committed
to
promoting
and
keeping
good
health,
and
it
was
really
in
the
spirit
of
trying
to
protect
employees
and
patients
and
doing
this.
Thank
you.
B
B
U
Do
I
okay.
U
Janine
jones
from
laramie
wyoming
and
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
exemption
process.
I
was
asked
by
my
ex-husband
recently
to
help
him
with
his
exemption
process.
We
hold
the
same
faith
and
he
was
applying
for
a
religious
exemption
with
general
electric
company,
and
so
I
wanted
to
share
the
difficulty
of
that
process.
It
was
about
a
nine
page
application
that
we
had
to
do
which
took
time
away
from
both
of
our
employment.
U
Asking
specific
questions
on
denominations
which
organized
religion
also
prying
into
specific
prescription
and
over
counter
medicines
that
have
been
taken
over
the
past
years
in
reference
to
fetal
cell
and.
U
That's
basically,
all
I
have
to
say
is
just
my
first
hand,
experience
of
how
I
felt
like
it
was
a
very
difficult
pro
process.
It
was
very
stressful
for
him
trying
to
prove
his
position.
U
U
It
just
feels
like
a
very
wrong
process.
E
B
U
No,
they
list
specific
prescriptive
and
over-the-counter
medications,
and
if
you
say
that
you
have
taken
those
as
an
adult,
it's
very
clear
in
the
form
that
it
will
go
against
you.
B
U
Have
to
state
whether
you
plan
to
ever
take
that
in
the
future,
such
as,
I
think,
even
prilosec,
I
mean
very
common.
Very
common
things
were
listed
on
there.
B
B
Oh
okay,
all
right,
please
say
your
name
where
you're
from
and.
V
Thank
mr
chairman,
andy
somerville.
I
am
the
executive
director
for
the
wyoming
association
of
mental
health
and
substance
abuse
centers,
and
I
appreciate
being
in
front
of
this
committee.
It's
not
a
committee.
I
get
to
come
in
front
of
very
often
spend
most
of
my
time
at
the
labor
health
committee.
V
I
am
here
to
just
voice
some
general
concerns
that
your
community
mental
health
centers
have
concerning
house
bill
one
and
just
a
little
background
very
quickly:
community
mental
health
centers
for
this
committee.
There
are
about
12
of
them
in
the
state
that
serve
all
23
counties
and
our
mission
as
community
mental
health
centers
is
to
provide
mental
health
and
or
substance
use
disorder
treatment
to
everyone,
regardless
of
their
ability
to
pay.
V
V
V
For
the
past
18
months,
I
would
describe
what
they
have
been
doing
to
keep
both
their
outpatient
and
residential
services
open
as
making
battlefield
decisions
on
a
daily
basis,
especially
when
it
comes
to
residential
care.
You're
talking
about
congregant
care
with
a
lot
of
residents
in
one
place
and
staff
coming
in
and
out,
it
has
been
very
difficult
to
keep
kovid
19
out
of
the
facilities,
especially
prior
to
the
vaccination
releases.
V
Now
I
want
to
shift
just
a
little
bit
to
the
financial
side
of
this
as
community
mental
health
centers.
We
all
they
all
have
contracts
through
the
state
of
wyoming
that
are
funded
in
part
by
an
hhs
samhsa
block
grant.
That
is
a
significant
amount
of
money
for
the
state
of
wyoming
that
passes
through
to
these
centers.
In
addition,
most
of
them
are
federal
contractors
in
one
way
or
another.
They
hold
department
of
justice
contracts,
u.s,
probation
and
parole.
A
variety
of
substance
use
disorder
contracts
with
a
variety
of
federal
agencies.
V
What
we
know
today
from
the
vaccine
mandate
is
a
few
of
these.
Centers
will
be
caught
up
in
it
because
they
have
more
than
100
employees.
We
have
3
out
of
12
that
are
at
that
level.
What
we
are
unsure
of
is
what
that
looks
like
for
the
rest
of
the
federal
contracts,
even
for
some
of
our
tiniest
centers,
and
I
would
describe
one
center
that
we
have
kind
of
in
the
northern
central
part
of
the
state
that
has
only
10
employees
in
it.
V
V
We
fully
the
community
mental
health
centers,
fully
support
governor
gordon's
approach
in
moving
forward
through
the
judicial
process,
and
we
hope
that
that
will
be
able
to
provide
the
protection
we
need
to
our
employers
as
well
as
care
for
our
clients.
But
we
do
again.
We
do
understand
that
there's
legislation
on
the
table,
so
we
would
ask
you
to
be
considerate
of
how
what
type
of
flexibilities
we
can
allow
in
this
legislation
for
employers
that
do
have
federal
contracts
to
be
specific.
V
W
W
Be
professional,
yeah,
keith
kennedy
on
behalf
of
first
of
all,
on
behalf
of
the
wyoming
league
growers
association
who
would
support
any
prohibition
or
restriction
on
imposing
mandates.
As
you
may
be
aware,
many
of
the
farmers
that
we
represent
actually
serve
on
county
committees
and
on
state
committees
and
they've
been
informed
that
they
will
be
required
to
be
vaccinated
to
continue
to
serve
on
those
committees.
W
I
also
my
own
business.
We
are
a
federal
contractor
and
have
already
granted
our
religious
exemptions
that
were
requested
to
change
hats.
Just
a
bit.
My
wife
has
been
a
rn
for
over
43
years
and
has
worked
in
an
er
for
over
40
years.
We
have
both
contracted
covid
in
late
september,
I'm
happy
to
be
off
quarantine
and
I
would
strongly
urge
that
you
acknowledge
natural
immunity
is
equivalent
to
the
vaccination.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
We
appreciate
it.
Okay,
so
folks,
that's
the
the
end
of
my
list,
but
is
there
anyone
else
who
wish
testify?
So
this?
Let
me
see
how
many
there
are
because
I
know
okay,
so
we
got
one
two
cases,
one
two,
three,
four:
five,
six,
okay,
so
yeah
we'll
just
start.
Let's
start
in
the
back
with
the
white
coats,
all
right
come
on
forward,
and
so
it's
about
six
people
again
brief
comments
and
and
be
helpful
for
us.
Thank
you.
X
All
right
so
I'm
andrew
mcafee,
I'm
a
physician
anesthesiologist
in
casper
wyoming.
X
Okay,
all
right,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
offer
a
little
bit
of
a
different
perspective
about
how
this
affects
the
workplace
and
then
as
well
as
counter
argument
to
why
we
should
have
vaccine
mandates.
So
with
that
good
afternoon,
I'm
pleased
to
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
X
X
Also
with
me
here
are
a
group
of
outstanding
health
care
professionals.
We
work
tirelessly
to
provide
medical
care
for
those
who
come
to
us
in
need.
Collectively
we
are
here
to
discuss
vaccine
mandates,
a
topic
which
has
made
waves
nationwide.
These
policies
are
highly
controversial
and
have
become
problematic
across
the
united
states.
Those
who
disagree
with
mandates
are
being
erroneously
portrayed
as
anti-vaxxers.
X
I
would
like
to
be
clear
that
none
of
us
here
or
our
many
supporters
have
ever
considered
ourselves
to
be
anti-vaxxers.
In
fact,
many
have
chosen
to
get
the
kobit
19
vaccine
and
some
have
not.
Our
decisions
are
personal
and,
based
on
a
risk,
benefit
analysis
to
decide
what
is
the
best
course
of
action.
That
is
how
medicine
works
as
a
physician,
my
job
is
to
educate
patients
about
the
risks
and
the
benefits
of
their
options
so
that
they
can
make
educated
medical
decisions
for
themselves.
X
X
Article
1,
section
38,
the
wyoming
constitution
states
that
each
competent
adult
shall
have
the
right
to
make
his
or
her
own
health
care
decisions.
Additionally,
these
policies
are
divisive
and
have
created
tension
everywhere.
They
are
implemented.
Mandates
are
disruptive
and
toxic
to
the
workplace.
Individuals
in
the
workforce,
who
do
not
wish
to
be
vaccinated
are
bullied,
shamed,
intimidated
and
silenced
until
they
either
comply
or
face
harsh
consequences.
X
X
I'm
concerned
about
the
psychological
and
emotional
distress
they
are
causing
people
I'm
concerned
about
families
losing
an
income.
They
need
to
buy
food
and
pay
bills.
I'm
concerned
about
health
care
facilities
and
other
businesses
that
may
not
be
able
to
function
to
their
full
capacity
due
to
fewer
and
qualified
individuals
in
the
workforce.
X
X
The
vaccines
introduce
genetic
material
into
the
patient
mrna
in
the
case
of
pfizer
and
moderna
and
dna
using
an
adenovirus
vector
in
the
case
of
johnson
and
johnson,
the
patient's
own
cellular
machinery
is
used
to
convert
the
genetic
material
into
the
viral
spike.
Protein
of
the
covit-19
virus,
the
immune
system
recognizes
the
spike
protein
as
foreign
and
mounts
an
immune
response
against
it.
Subsequent
exposure
to
covet
is
met
with
pre-formed
immunity.
Although
infection
still
occurs,
the
symptoms
are
attenuated
due
to
the
pre-formed
immune
response.
X
The
misconception
in
all
of
this
is
that
vaccines
prevent
infection
and
transmission
of
the
virus,
which
is
simply
not
true.
Therefore,
if
an
individual
wants
protection
from
covid,
they
need
to
be
vaccinated
themselves.
By
forcing
vaccination,
we
are
only
potentially
helping
those
being
forced,
but
we
are
also
potentially
harming
them.
At
the
same
time,
I
already
mentioned
the
negative
consequences
of
vaccine
mandates,
so
let
me
discuss
some
of
the
potential
side
effects
of
the
vaccine
itself.
X
According
to
the
cdc
vaccine
adverse
events
report
website,
we
have
seen
the
following:
deaths:
hospitalizations,
urgent
care
visits,
doctor's
office
visits,
anaphylaxis,
bell's
palsy
miscarriages,
heart
attacks,
myocarditis
pericarditis,
permanent
disability,
thrombocytopenia
and
various
life-threatening
reactions
and
severe
allergic
reactions
as
well
as
reactivation
of
shingles.
This
amounts
to
a
total
of
eight
hundred
and
eighteen
thousand
forty-two
reports
of
adverse
events.
X
As
of
october
15
2021,
considering
the
negative
consequences
mandates
and
the
potential
adverse
effects
of
the
vaccine,
it's
obvious
that
mandates
and
vaccines
are
not
benign
throw
in
the
lack
of
long-term
data
and
research,
and
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
government
entities
and
private
employers
have
no
business,
forcing
people
to
be
injected
with
a
vaccine.
Freedom
of
choice
must
be
upheld.
X
Several
other
notable
issues
include.
We
are
ignoring
the
value
of
robust
natural
immunity
in
immunocompetent
people.
The
vaccines
are
unapproved,
inadequately
tested,
experimental
and
dangerous
biological
agents
that
have
the
potential
to
cause
substantial
harm.
Many
people
affected
by
mandates
are
young
adults
who
are
healthy
and
immunologically
competent.
They
are
at
extraordinarily
low
risk
for
covet
19
morbidity
and
mortality.
X
Women
are
at
a
unique
risk
for
adverse
events
following
the
administration
of
covid
vaccines.
According
to
the
cdc
all
cases
of
life-threatening
blood
clots
after
receiving
the
jnj
vaccine
reported
so
far
in
the
united
states
occurred
in
young
women.
The
vast
majority
of
cases
of
anaphylaxis
have
also
occurred
in
women.
X
In
addition,
women
are
reporting
having
irregular
menstrual
cycles.
After
being
vaccinated,
2
631
miscarriages
have
been
reported
to
the
veris
system.
I
could
keep
going
with
the
list
surrounding
vaccine
mandates,
but
I
won't
because
we
might
be
here
all
day.
Instead,
I'd
like
to
leave
you
with
the
story
of
a
young
woman
who
I
met
just
last
night,
a
young
mother,
she
makes
15
an
hour
and
relies
on
that
to
support
her
and
her
child.
X
Her
religious
exemption
was
denied
the
thought
that
she
may
not
be
able
to
pay
bills
or
put
food
on
the
table.
For
her
daughter
is
heartbreaking.
There
is
no
justification
for
harming
the
unvaccinated.
The
community
stands
with
us
on
these
issues.
Today
we
ask
you
to
stand
strong
for
freedom
for
the
constitution,
for
the
people
of
our
great
state.
The
individuals
being
affected
by
vaccine
mandates
are
not
corporate
big
shots.
X
They
are
the
true
heroes,
the
essential
workers
who
face
this
pandemic
head-on,
and
sadly
now
they
are
the
second-class
citizens
who
risk
losing
everything
if
they
dare
to
have
an
opinion
or
make
their
own
choice.
Please
help
us
put
a
stop
to
this
attack
on
our
freedom
and
let
our
strength
and
compassion
for
all
people
set
an
example
for
the
united
states.
J
Y
I
just
wanted
to
say
keeping
in
mind
what
he's
talked
about.
I
went
through
the
bill
and
just
had
some
suggestions
that
number
one.
We
could
consider
accepting
all
exemptions,
not
only
religious
ones,
being
denied,
but
there
are
medical
exemptions
written
by
the
person's
health
care
provider
that
are
being
denied
number
two
I'd
like
you
to
consider
reasonable
accommodations,
which,
based
on
the
information
given
there
and
some
information
out
there
testing.
Y
If,
if
vaccinated
people,
carry
the
virus
and
can
spread
it
and
can
catch
it,
then
testing
should
be
done
for
everybody
or
only
those
symptomatic,
and
I
think
we
also
need
to
consider
the
fact
that
a
nasal
swab
also
can
decrease
our
own
immune
barriers.
We
are
shoving
it
up
in
the
nose
decreasing
the
ciliary
action,
decreasing
the
mucous
membrane,
which
is
part
of
the
protection
of
killing
off
viruses
and
toxins
and
pathogens
and
allergens.
Y
So
I
just
I'm
I'm
not
for
testing
frequently,
because
I
think
that
that
increases
our
susceptibility
to
other
things,
and
if
we're
going
to
do
it,
we
need
to
do
it
for
all
that
could
carry
virus
which
is
vaccinated
and
unvaccinated.
Y
I
also
would
like
to
make
a
point
of
we
really
should
be
accepting
natural
immunity
when
people
get
chicken
box
or
hepatitis
we're
not
curing
or
treating
them
with
a
vaccine,
and
I
I
suffered
covet
in
december
and
I've
been
around
it
a
lot
and
have
not
re
have
not
been
reinfected,
so
I
believe
our
natural
immunity.
Our
bodies
are
amazing
when
we
keep
them
healthy,
and
we
should
consider
that.
Y
We
should
consider
that
part
in
the
bill
as
well
and
just
in
conclusion,
to
keep
in
mind
to
you
that,
when
we're
talking
about
the
healthcare
employer,
we
still
are
talking
about
those
leading
this
action.
The
physician
the
nurse
practitioner,
the
pa,
who
has
the
training,
licensing
and
knowledge
and
skill
to
determine
this,
and
that
we
need
to
keep
them
in
mind
versus
the
the
business
or
the
company
in
the
organization.
Making
these
mandates.
Z
I
think,
mr
chairman
first
thank
you
very
much
for
for
coming
and
testifying
and
being
md's.
My
wife
is
a
physician,
so
I
understand
that
really
grueling
process
that
you
go
through
medical
school
residency
et
cetera,
it's
incredibly
difficult,
so
I
do
appreciate
you
guys
going
through
that
process.
Thank
you.
X
Y
I
also
saw
you
know
the
data
is
confusing
and
it
and
you
do
have
to
search
for
things
and
things
are
being
censored,
but
I
also
saw
that
there
may
be
increased
viral
load
and
decreased
symptoms
by
those
being
vaccinated.
Y
Z
Chairman
follow
sure.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Do
we
have
any
information
on
someone?
Let's
say
who
was
unvaccinated
but
did
come
down
and
contract
the
virus?
They
made
a
full
recovery.
What's
the
ratio
of
their
likelihood
to
spread
the
virus
versus
someone
who
is
vaccinated?
Is
there
any
any
clarity
on
that.
X
So
so
I'm
not
fully
sure,
but
I
did
see
a
statistic
that
came
from
a
study
in
israel
that
showed
that
those
who
had
previous
infection
were
actually
13
times
less
likely
to
to
have
a
severe
infection
from
covet
compared
to
those
vaccinated
with
the
pfizer
vaccine.
B
Sure,
representative
western,
if
we
are
in
the
business
of
weighing
the
weight
of
different
medical
studies,
go
ahead.
Z
X
X
Gonna,
okay,
go
ahead.
They
were
six
times
less
likely
to
test
positive.
X
Z
Z
Y
I
think
that
what
we
should
consider
is
what
we've
been
doing
for
a
year
and
a
half
if
you're
symptomatic
you
get
tested,
if
you're
not
symptomatic,
whether
you're,
vaccinated
or
not,
you
potentially
could
be
spreading
virus.
Z
Okay,
just
trying
to
follow
you
bet
scripture.
I
think,
mr
chairman,
what
about
fairies
at
the
hospital?
I
understand
certain
areas
deal
with
patients
who
are,
you
know
less
have
have
immunocompromised
patients,
but
what
about
those
areas
of
the
hospital
where
they
have
a
serious
immunodeficiency
illness
where
they
are
extremely
likely
not
only
contracted
but
to
have
really
serious,
perhaps
even
fatal
response
to
virus
same
kind
of
policy
there
with
unvaccinated
versus
vaccinated
place?
Well,.
Y
X
Y
B
Good,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you!
So
members
of
the
public,
I
did
get
an
updated
list
so
I'll
follow
to
that
updated
list.
So
next
I
have
david
hagner
so
kind
of
in
the
order
I
was
going
to
go
anyway.
I
just
randomly
got
to
write
this.
P
Hi
sorry,
my
name
is
david
wagner,
I'm
a
paramedic
at
wyoming
medical
center
and
in
less
than
a
week
I
will
be
walked
out
the
door
I
am
not
vaccinated.
I
have
not
put
in
an
exemption,
so
I
will
begin
the
process
of
being
separated
from
wyoming
medical
center.
P
My
wife
was
a
nurse
at
wyoming
medical
center
she's
since
left
since
the
mandate
hit.
We
also
have
a
friend
who
was
a
nurse
at
wyoming
medical
center.
She's
turned
in
her
notice,
she's
leaving
over
the
mandate
they're.
Just
a
few
of
the
people
have
left
over
these
mandates.
They
say
you
know,
there's
this
many
who've
been
vaccinated.
This
many
turn
in
exemptions.
P
So
I
didn't
turn
an
exemption,
because
I
just
feel
that
the
things
that
banner
will
make
you
do
the
twice
a
week.
Testing
just
don't
make
any
sense.
As
it's
been
stated
here,
the
vaccinated
and
unvaccinated
can
both
catch
covet
and
they
can
both
spread
covet.
If
you
want
a
specific
study,
I
would
recommend
you
go
to
the
cdc.gov
look
up:
mmwr
volume
70
number
31..
P
This
was
a
study
in
large
gatherings
in
massachusetts
and
they
found
that
74
percent
of
those
who
caught
covid
from
the
gatherings
were
fully
vaccinated.
80
of
those
hospitalized
fully
vaccinated.
They
also
tested
the
viral
load
and
found
that
the
number
or
the
amount
of
virus
between
the
vaccinated
and
unvaccinated
was
equal.
So
if
you
wanted
a
specific
study,
I
recommend
you
go
to
that
one.
So.
P
So
I
also
want
to
talk
about
if
you
put
in
a
mandate
here,
it
could
help
businesses,
because
there
are
many
people
leaving
in
other
states
over
mandates,
they've
quit
their
positions,
they're
looking
for
somewhere
to
go,
it's
a
good
way
to
attract
qualified
and
skilled
people
to
the
state
of
wyoming.
P
For
instance,
currently
banner
health
reviewed
how
many
ambulances
we
on
we
have
on
and
they've
stated.
We
have
enough
work
that
we
can
put
a
fourth
ambulance
into
service.
We
can't
put
one
in.
We
don't
have
the
staffing
talk
to
my
manager.
He
said
we
have
zero
applicants,
so
I
can't
say
why
they're
not
coming,
but
I
know
other
areas
are
hiring
and
those
are
areas
that
do
not
have
mandates
right
now,
I'm
one
of
applicants
to
some
of
those
areas.
P
B
Thank
you,
okay.
Any
questions,
committee.
Okay,
mr
wagner,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
being
amt
very
important
job.
I
understand
appreciate
that
much.
I
got
sienna
shelby,
okay,
okay.
The
committee
appreciates
that
brian
miller
and
roger
miller
come
together
or
just
okay.
AA
Failure
of
our
legislature
to
protect
wyoming
citizens
rights
seems
unfathomable.
However,
as
I
witnessed
earlier
today,
this
may
just
be
the
case
in
the
senate.
This
morning,
one
senior
member
stated
that
we
must
not
change
rules
to
do
our
job
and
claiming
that
a
dually
called
special
session
to
address
these
egregious
violations
was
a
willy-nilly
decision
made
by
a
majority
of
the
90
members
of
our
legislature.
AA
AA
A
government
seemingly
bent
on
enslaving,
a
new
generation
to
those
in
power
in
washington,
dc
citizens
who
have
become
trapped
in
the
flight
paper.
Maze
of
government
assistance
and
social
programs
that
are
driving
so
many
to
become
part
of
a
permanent,
lower
class
friends,
neighbors
and
legislators.
AA
It's
time
to
put
the
u.s
constitution
and
individual
rights
at
the
forefront.
I
urge
each
of
you
to
stay
the
coming
storm
that
inevitably
will
paralyze
our
state
and
our
nation
draw
the
line
here
in
cheyenne
during
this
session
and
begin
to
push
begin.
The
push
to
restrain
the
federal
government's
growing
acts
of
overreach,
protect
our
freedom,
protect
our
liberty
and
we
will
be
able
to
take
care
of
our
own
families
without
government
handouts.
AA
Don't
let
your
neighbor
become
a
political
pawn,
not
even
for
a
moment,
don't
allow
people
to
be
fired
simply
because
they
won't
allow
the
government
to
stick
a
needle
in
their
arm
against
their
will.
Life
is
not
risk-free,
but
we
decide
we
get
to
decide
what
risks
we
will
take
with
vaccines
and
medications.
AA
B
D
I
personally
contracted
covet
just
about
a
year
ago
I
was,
I
didn't,
have
a
real
severe
case.
I
didn't
go
to
the
doctor
and
go
to
the
hospital.
I
just
stayed
at
home
and
recovered.
D
I
went
to
the
and
I
did
have
a
positive
test
too,
by
the
way
my
wife's
in
a
nursing
home
and
so
in
order
to
visit
her,
I
had
to
have
a
test,
so
I
did
that
and
I
was
curious
about
my
natural
immunity,
so
I
asked
my
doctor
to
to
give
me
an
order
to
get
a
blood
draw
and
have
that
tested
and
I
did-
and
it
came
back
a
number
in
the
area
of
200,
and
I
asked
what
does
that
mean?
She
said
we
don't
know.
D
D
D
So
I'm
hoping
that
you
can
take
some
action
here
that
will
head
that
off
and
we
will
be
allowed
to
proceed
normally
with
our
lives.
I
guess
is
what
I'd
say.
D
So,
I'm
81
years
old
you
know,
and
so
I
I
don't
intend
to
be
vaccinated.
I
think
my
natural
immunity
should
be
sufficient,
but
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
get
me
on
an
airplane.
B
D
B
Thank
you
frank.
Any
questions
for
streethorn
all
right.
We
appreciate
it
so
I
got
monica
henry
next
and
then
why
don't
we
get
the
person?
That's
online
they're,
just
killing
me
with
these
names,
but
we'll
get
him
online
and
then
we'll
we'll
get
him
in
so
okay,
his
so
monica
henry.
K
G
Sally
open
I'm
from
douglas,
I
am
not
in
the
medical
profession,
and
I
didn't
know
that
I
was
signing
up
to
speak,
but
I
got
something
to
say
so
I'll
say
it.
My
daughter
is
in
the
medical
field
and
she
is
the
last
in
her
clinic
to
not
get
the
vaccine
she's
kind
of
hoping
to
skate
through
because
she
has
three
brain
tumors
and
she
has
epilepsy
and
she
has
an
eating
disorder
that
has
shrunk
her
brain
and
her
heart.
G
So,
on
top
of
her
already
compromised
health,
if
she's
forced
to
get
this
vaccine
she's
in
huge
trouble,
she's
already
called
and
said,
would
you
please
pay
my
rent?
If
I
have
to
get
this
vaccine,
you
know
I
have
a
friend
who
works
for
a
union,
pacific
railroad
he's
less
than
two
years
from
retirement.
G
G
He
cannot
get
a
medical
exemption
and
have
it
accepted
he's
already
been
told
that
he
has
till
november
8th
to
get
the
vaccine
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
seen
the
data
on
enlarged
hearts.
That's
coming
from
the
vaccine,
I
think
from
all
the
vaccines
from
what
I'm
aware
from
what
I've
read.
So
I
mean
it's
a
scary
thing
out
there,
where
you
have
to
decide
between
your
life
and
your
livelihood,
my
daughter's
23
years
old
and
with
an
already
compromised
system.
What's
that
going
to
do
to
her?
B
B
S
S
Our
concern
really
is
contained
in
a
very
small
part
of
the
bill.
Under
section
three
presumptive
language
has
been
added
in
there
that
should
a
worker
contract
the
virus,
the
disease,
it
would
be
presumed,
they
contracted
it
in
the
workplace
to
nfib.
This
has
been
a
sticking
point
for
us
for
a
lot
of
years
and
in
a
lot
of
pieces
of
legislation,
we
look
at
it
as
the
camel's
nose
under
the
tent.
S
We
have
always
spoke
out
against
any
type
of
presumptive
language,
even
for
workers,
compensation
cases
specifically
dealing
with
covid,
and
so
we
ask
that
that
language
at
least
be.
We
cannot
support
the
bill
just
because
of
the
topic,
but
we
asked
that
it
be
at
least
removed
from
the
bill.
B
It's
easier,
okay,
I
do
have
a
question
so,
with
respect
to
to
house
bill
one
zero,
zero,
one,
the
and
again
this
bill
was
designed
to
bring
together
a
lot
of
concepts
to
have
a
good
open
debate.
So
I
did
want
to
make
that
clear
with
respect
to
the
workers
comp
coverage
within
this
bill.
It
is
for
those
employers
that
issue
a
mandate
and
an
illness
occurs
as
a
result
of
the
vaccination.
S
I
I
am
I
I
am,
but
it's
your
put
year
year,
reaching
with
this
language.
S
B
B
I'm
not
going
to
try
the
last
name.
I
I
yeah
my
skill,
set's
limited
and
I'm
telling
you
pronouncing
last
names
is
way
down
on
that
too.
So.
F
F
F
Currently,
as
a
federal
employee
I
am
federally
mandated.
I
can
tell
you
that
nurses
are
walking
out
at
an
alarming
rate.
The
short
staffing
we're
seeing
is
based
on
nurses,
who
are
they
don't
want
to
work
anymore?
Because
of
all
this
mandate
we
shouldn't
be
forced
to
do
something
that
we
don't
feel.
We
need
to
have
done
just
to
take
care
of
patients.
F
B
Okay,
thank
you
committee.
Any
questions.
Okay.
We
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
So
that
was
the
end
of
the
list
that
I
had.
I
noticed
a
couple
legislators
that
came
in.
Do
we
have
more?
How
many
more
want
to
testify,
and
so
okay
do
any
of
the
legislators
that
come
in
want
to
testify
so
representative,
clausen,
okay,
so
sir
you'll
be
our
last
public
just
pony
and
I've
got
everybody
covered
pretty
much
so
please
come
forward.
AD
Green,
not
red,
my
name
is
jeff
story.
I'm
the
assistant
cmo
of
crmc
here
in
cheyenne,
I'm
a
veteran
retired,
colonel
and
military
private
citizen,
an
ob
gyn
who's
practiced
in
town
for
25
years,
fellow
in
the
american
congress
obgyn
a
couple
of
points
I
wasn't
originally
planning
on
testifying
but
felt
important
to
do
so
at
crmc,
we've
taken
a
slightly
different
point
of
view.
We've
resisted
a
mandate
to
this
point
and
really
undertaken
an
education
campaign
in
order
to
discuss
with
our
employees
the
benefits
of
vaccination
versus
not
vaccinating.
AD
To
this
point
we
have
approximately
80
of
our
employees
vaccinated
within
the
hospital.
This
morning
I
visited
three
floors
of
covid
patients.
We
have
one
to
two
beds
a
day
available
because
of
covid
taking
the
hospital
over.
We
have
34
patients
with
covid
in
the
hospital.
At
the
moment,
if
you
end
up
ventilated
with
covid,
you
have
a
greater
than
50
chance
of
never
coming
off
that
ventilator
and
how
we
gain
beds
in
the
hospital
and
and
see
our
numbers
decline.
AD
Unfortunately,
is
is
most
often
not
through
making
someone
better
and
allowing
them
to
leave.
Vaccines
are
not
perfect.
The
science
is
not
perfect
and
we
absolutely
agree
that
a
mandate
dictating
that
everyone
has
to
do
something
is
not
the
appropriate
way
to
go.
However,
as
a
healthcare
organization
in
this
state,
it
makes
it
very
hard
if
it
also
is
mandated
in
the
opposite
direction
of
saying.
We
can't
use
those
tools
that
we
have
available
to
ensure
that
our
patients
are
safe.
Our
employees
are
safe
and
we
mitigate
this
pandemic
as
quickly
as
possible.
AD
To
achieve
that
normalcy
that
we
all
craved
from
two
years
ago,
the
vaccines
have
been
around
for
a
number
of
years.
These
vaccines,
theirs
that
the
good
doctors
spoke
about
earlier,
did
show
up
with
800
000
side
effects.
Those
are
self-reported
side
effects
from
severe
to
minimal.
There
have
been
over
414
million
doses
of
vaccine,
indicating
a
well
less
than
one
percent
side
effect
rate
to
the
vaccinations.
AD
Vaccines
do
provide
antibodies
and
we
can
go
into
how
they
provide
them
if
you
are
so
inclined,
but
what
we
have
found
with
natural
immunity
is
it's
very
effective,
initially
and
very
effective
for
the
surge
and
the
variant
type
of
that
surge
that
immunity
flags?
If
you
go
to
a
region
that
has
had
a
different
variant
of
covid
and
over
time
and
we're
seeing
people
reinfected
after
approximately
six
months
of
natural
immunity
and
so
natural
immunity,
absolutely
agreed
provides
very
good
protection
in
the
initial
stages
after
a
covet
infection.
AD
But
as
you
move
further
away
that
immunity,
flags,
vaccines
and
the
reason
that
the
vaccine
has
two
dosing.
Is
you
boost
that
immunity
to
a
level
that
provides
a
better
level
of
overall
immunity?
The
vaccine
as
well
attacks
more
than
five
different
points
on
the
virus
versus
natural
immunity,
using
one
single
point
on
that
virus,
creating
a
much
broader
immune
spectrum
against
having
the
vaccine
as
part
of
crmc's
executive
corps,
a
member
of
wyoming
medical
society
and
wyoming
hospital
association?
AD
We
would
implore
the
committee
to
reconsider,
mandating
against
a
mandate
in
in
turn
allowing
those
individual
businesses
to
proceed
with
what
works
best
for
their
situation
moving
forward
and
in
our
case,
using
the
science
that's
available
at
the
time
and
adjusting
and
being
agile
to
adjust
those
situations
as
we
move
forward,
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
B
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Did
you
by
chance
read
the
current
bill
house
bill
one
zero
zero
one.
F
Okay,
mr
chairman,
follow
up
what
do
you
feel
about
that?
Does
that
inhibit
your
to
be
able
to
do
what
you
want
to
do
versus
for
the
individual
businesses
to
be
able
to
make
those
decisions
best
for
their
employees,
or
does
it
prevent
you
from
being
able
to
do
that?
Mr.
AD
Chairman,
thank
you
very
good
question.
The
parts
of
the
bill
that
concern
us
are
the
penalties
that
we
are
put
under
in
the
fight
against
the
federal
mandate
of
a
vaccine,
and
while
we
do
not
support
an
overarching
mandate
on
to
be
liable,
should
we
decide
that
we
need
to
mandate
for
our
employees
either
testing
protection,
those
sorts
of
things
it
puts
us
just
as
the.
AD
Federation
of
gagliardi,
sorry,
I
said
it:
it's
the
liability
you
place
on
those
individual
businesses
that
puts
the
onus
on
us.
Should
we
get
and
continue
to
vet
the
information
coming
in
and
decide
that
you
know
in
our
best
interest.
A
mandate
is
is
for
the
protection
of
both
our
patients
and
our
employees.
AD
K
K
We've
heard
a
number
of
testimonies
today
about
people
that
are
being
forced
to
leave
their
employment
or
voluntarily
leaving
employment,
and
we
know
that
our
health
care
facilities
are
under
stress
right
now.
So
this
this
puts
an
added
stress
on
your
organization.
K
If
someone
decides
to
leave
or
is
forced
to
leave,
and
speaking
with
some
of
the
administrators
in
my
local
hospital,
I've
seen
some
of
the
costs
for
an
employed
nurse
versus
the
cost
for
a
traveling
nurse
and
and
it's
astronomical
what
you
have
to
pay
for
a
traveling
nurse
to
fill
those
gaps.
K
When,
when
you
get
into
a
situation
where
you
have
a
number
of
of
personnel
leaving
or
being
forced
out-
and
you
have
to
bring
in
traveling
people
to
you
know,
nurses
or
whatever
that
profession
may
be,
who
makes
up
that
difference?
Because
sometimes
this
is
five
times
the
cost
of
what
a
normal
person
makes.
That
is
a
full-time
employee.
AD
Mr
chairman
yeah,
thank
you
excellent
question
and,
and
you
are
absolutely
spot
on
on
a
cost
of
a
traveling
nurse
today,
and
that's
only
if
you
can
actually
find
them
to
come
in
run
four
to
six
times
the
cost
of
a
normal
nurse.
In
addition,
I
I
am
responsible
for
quality
in
our
institution
and
having
a
traveling
nurse,
come
to
your
institution,
who
is
not
familiar
with
your
medical
system,
how
to
deliver
meds
within
your
system,
how
to
document
what
is
done
in
the
system.
AD
It
puts
a
risk
to
that
system
as
well.
The
overall
cost
for
nurses
is
astronomic
when
you
have
to
replace
them
with
traveling
nurses
that
is
borne
out
by
the
bottom
line
of
the
hospital,
and
with
that
we
have
some
federal
dollars
to
offset
it,
though.
At
this
point,
a
number
of
those
federal
federal
dollars
have
not
been
realized
and
our
bottom
line
shrinks
closer
and
closer
to
not
actually
being
in
the
black
but
being
in
the
red.
AD
In
addition,
kovid
on
taking
over
the
hospital
has
precluded
us
from
being
able
to
assist
those
typical
patients
with
ongoing
problems,
and
unfortunately,
heart
attacks
still
occur.
AD
People
still
break
their
hips,
they
still,
you
know,
have
problems
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
when
we
have
nowhere
to
put
them
on,
it
makes
it
very
very
difficult
to
treat
those
ongoing
problems
when
the
hospital
is
entirely
full
of
covet
patients,
and
so
our
bottom
line
gets
narrower
and
narrower
as
this
occurs
and
nothing
that
would
make
any
of
us
happier
than
see
it
go
away,
and
a
year
ago
I
would
have
told
you
there's
no
way
we're
going
to
be
sitting
here
talking
about
covet
at
this
point,
but
here
we
are
unfortunately-
and
it's
I
think,
a
reality
for
some
time
to
come.
K
AD
AD
Mr
chairman,
thank
you.
That's
exactly
correct.
AD
A
stable
on
a
current
employee
beats
a
traveling
employee,
three
ways
to
monday,
and
we
would
and
have
worked
with
our
employees
on
both
encouraged
the
vaccine,
but
not
mandated
and
addressed
those
who
are
reluctant
to
receive
the
vaccine
most
often
based
on
misinformation
about
the
vaccine
and
what
it
entails,
how
it
works
and
through
ongoing
education
as
we
learn
it
and
it's
ongoing
within
the
medical
field,
as
we
learn
more
and
more
encouraged
vaccines,
but
do
not
mandate
them
and,
and
we've
been
reluctant
to
head
in
that
direction,
because
we
value
our
employees
and
would
rather
work
with
those
accommodations,
including
masks
and
personal
protective
equipment.
AD
For
those
who
have
chosen
not
to
be
mandated.
And
to
this
point,
we've
done
very
well
with
very
minimal
transmission
within
our
facilities.
B
All
right
well,
thank
you.
We
appreciate
your
testimony
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
close
public
testimony,
but
leave
it
open
for
the
legislators,
and
so
I
heard
aaron
representative
claussen
has
hand
up,
but
but
my
co-chair
of
senate
minerals,
chairman
always
has
a
seat
at
the
table.
Here.
B
J
B
B
The
variant
now
is
down
to
12
to
18
years
old,
now
we're
killing
the
whole
range
of
of
population,
and
it
is
more
transmittable
and
that's
why
the
difference
in
the
in
the
approach.
Thank
you,
okay.
Any
questions
for
chairman
anderson,
okay.
Hopefully
we
see
you
in
rock
springs
in
a
week
representative,
clawson.
AE
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
frank
with
flyer
to
minerals
committee.
But
as
you're
aware,
my
my
district
has
a
lot
of
heavy
industry
and
I
assumed
it
would
come
up
in
testimony,
but
it
it
hasn't.
So
there's
at
least
at
very
least
a
perception
that
going
along
go
along
with
that
heavy
industry.
There's
some
heavy
pensions
and
there's
at
least
some
perception
in
my
area
that
maybe
those
percent
pensions
might
need
to
be
protected.
B
So
representative
clausen,
I
think
yeah,
so
what
we're
going
to
try
to
do
this
committee
is
work
this
with
some
amendments
that
we
have
in
front
of
us.
There'll
be
opportunities
on
the
floor
and
an
opportunity
maybe
to
work
on
refining
some
language.
We
may
not
get
it
perfect
here
today,
which
is
why
we
go
through
three
more
readings
and
so
understand
exactly
what
you're
saying
and
appreciate
it
any
questions
for
representatives.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
what
what
we're
going
to
do
is
this?
Take
a
break
till
I've
got
4
18.
Let's
try
to
get
started
again
at
4,
30,
4
35
at
that
point
in
time,
I'll
go
ahead
and
present
house
bill
1001
and
then
we'll
see.
If
the
committee
wants
to
work
it
and
we'll
we'll
go
down
the
path
of
for
those
folks
that
are
unfamiliar
with
this
process,
the
term
making
sausage
you'll
get
to
see
the
very
beginning
portion
of
that.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
recess
take
a
break
stretch.
B
Okay,
let's
go
ahead
committee.
We
can
call
the
meeting
back
to
order.
B
Okay
committee,
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'll.
Just
I'm
going
to
walk
us
to
house
bill
1001,
I'm
I'm
going
to
assume
that
the
committee
has
read
this
bill
closely.
I
know
several
members
have
discussed
it
at
length
with
me.
So
I'll
go
I'll,
go
pretty
quick
with
it
and
then
we'll
decide
if
we
want
to
move
the
bill
and
work
it.
B
My
and
I've
shared
this
with
the
committee.
I've
shared
this
with
leadership
really
out
of
this
I'd
like
to
see
us
bring
one
bill
up
to
the
floor
for
consideration,
and
I
have
talked
with
representative
helen
and
with
speaker
barlow
with
the
concept.
If
we
can
get
101
worked
out
of
this
committee
and
again,
I
trust
everybody
on
this
committee
to
do
a
good
job.
B
Then
we'll
just
table
the
other
two
again
we're
only
going
to
have
so
much
time
to
debate
these
issues.
We
don't
need
to
have
competing
bills
that
that
can
create
bad
policy.
So
that's
my
goal.
As
a
committee
knows,
I'm
usually
very
upfront
about
those
goals,
so
house
bill
one
zero,
zero
one,
and
you
know
it
has
my
name
on
it.
B
Let
me
just
tell
you
that,
as
we
were
preparing
for
the
special
session
house
and
senate
republican
leadership,
had
asked
lso
to
put
together
a
bill
that
put
together
as
many
concepts
that
was
out
there
concerning
private
employer
mandates.
There
were
two
other
bills
drafted
that
are
in
other
committees.
I
think
one's
in
the
senate,
maybe
both
the
other
two
are
in
the
senate.
B
B
Through
it,
and
then
we'll
we'll
work
to,
I
know,
representative
gray
and
representative
bear
have
some
amendments
for
us
that
we
all
have
I've
looked
at
them.
There's,
there's
kind
of
some
overlap
on
more
than
half
of
them,
so
we'll
work,
the
bills
section
by
section
try
to
work
those
in
a
couple
other
ideas.
I
know
that
are
out
there,
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
findings.
I've
never
been
a
big
fan
of
legislative
findings,
but,
as
we
put
this
together,
we
felt
we
would
we
put
them
in
there.
B
B
Okay,
that
that
is
articulated
in
writing
and
provided
to
the
department
of
workforce
services
so
that
so
it's
in
a
central
location.
It's
done
two,
and
I
think
this
paragraph
needs
a
little
bit
of
work
and
we've
got
some
amendments
with
it,
but
the
employer
provides
and
accepts
exemptions
and
those
exemptions
should
be
for
religious
grounds,
medical
or
what
would
be
the
immunity.
B
B
The
employer
in
this
is
provides
reasonable,
alternative
measures
to
the
employees
who
have
not
received
the
vaccine
or
who
will
not
disclose
their
vaccine
status.
Reasonable
alternatives
are
defined
in
here
and
there's
again
some
amendments
to
this
a
reassignment
of
work,
duties
and
then
interval
testing
is
I'll.
Just
use
a
terminal
testing.
B
Okay,
the
one
thing
I
think
is
significant
is
that
any
mandate
that
an
employer
did
and
meets
those
requirements
cannot
take
effect
from
60
days
from
this
act.
So
we've
heard
a
lot
of
comments
or
testimony
about
what
we
don't
know.
What
the
federal
rules
or
anything
are
just
just
hit
the
pause
button
here,
okay,
keeping
in
mind,
we'll
be
back
in
a
budget
session
to
deal
with
things
in
february,
okay,
an
employer
who
first
requires
or
mandates
employees,
so
section
b
on
page
seven
then
goes
into
the
penalty
phase.
B
B
I'll
just
tell
you,
as
we
put
this
bill
together,
that
number
right
from
a
hundred
dollars
to
five
thousand
dollars.
I
don't
care,
it's
a
placeholder,
it's
a
debatable
item.
B
Okay
also
accept
is
provided
in
subsection
e
and
I'll
jump,
which
is
is
that
we,
this
section
an
employer,
shall
provide
severance
pay
to
any
person
entitled
the
evidence.
Pay
is
specified
the
subsection
d
if
the
person
is
unemployed
because
they
voluntarily
terminate
it
because
employers
imposed
a
requirement,
and
that
does
not
has
imposed
a
mandate
that
does
not
conform.
B
Subsection
a
or
the
person
is
terminated.
B
Okay
for
a
vaccination
requirement
that
does
not
conform
to
requirements
of
subsection.
A
what
subsection
d
provides
is
just
what
that
severance
pay
would
be,
and
it's
50
of
13
weeks
of
salary,
no
employer
shall
be
required
to
provide
severance
pay
if
the
employer
has
established
a
vaccination
requirement
or
mandate
that
took
effect
before
october
31.,
the
vaccination
requirement
or
mandate
related
to
the
person's
unemployment
was
established
in
accordance
with
subsection
8..
So
what
we're
saying
is
a
legal
mandate
or
the
person
began.
B
Employment
was
subject
to
it
previously,
so
this
is,
you
took
the
employment
knowing
that
you
needed
to
be
vaccinated,
which
is
significantly
different.
In
my
mind,
okay
department
of
workforce
services
shall
be
in
time,
she'll
enforce
these
provisions
just
like
they
do.
Whenever
I
get
a
wage,
labor
claim
or
discrimination
claim,
nothing
in
this
section
shall
be
construed
to
limit
or
preclude
an
employee
is
unemployed
under
one
of
the
circumstances
and
c
of
the
section
from
receiving
any
other
benefits.
So
that
means,
if
you're
getting
unemployment
benefits,
you
still
can
get
to
severance
pay.
B
Definitions
are
in
here.
I
think-
and
I
think
representative
gray
actually
has
an
amendment
to
oh,
never
mind.
I'm
sorry.
This
definition
deals
with
workers
compensation,
okay,
so
this
is
talking
about
workers,
compensation,
injury
and
the
same
for
the
period
beginning
october,
31
2021,
which
we
would
soon
be
the
effective
date
of
this
act
through
march
31
2022,
which
would
be
the
end
of
our
budget
session
cycle.
B
If
an
employee
suffers
an
injury
caused
by
a
coveted
vaccination
that
the
employer
mandated
on
or
after
october
31
as
a
conditional,
employment
shall
be
presumed
that
the
injury
arises
out
of
and
in
the
course
of
employment,
so
we
heard
some
testimony
about
concerns
on
presumptions
there,
but
that
was
now
keep
in
mind.
An
employer
has
a
legal
mandate
in
place.
B
B
Okay,
section
four
again
take
this
for
what
it
is,
because
I
understand
that
there
is
a
pot
of
23
million
of
arpa
funds.
Stipends
for
hospitals
that
represent
larsen
was
telling
me
about
coming
out
of
appropriations,
but
this
sets
up
a
health
care
shortage
relief
and
worker
incentive
program.
This
is
designed
and
it
will
be
awarded
through
the
governor's
office
and,
let's
see
what
you
got
in
here,
twenty
thousand
or
twenty
million
dollars.
B
B
Okay,
moving
on
to
section
five,
there
there's
appropriated
another
10
million
dollars
to
the
department
of
workforce
services.
This
is
for
all
businesses,
and
this
is
to
deal
with
testing
representative
larson
told
me
that,
and
I
don't
know
again,
he
said
2020
year-to-date.
The
spend
on
testing
has
been
100
million
dollars.
B
So
that's
what
state
of
wyoming
well
you'll
have
to
talk
to
him
more
directly,
because
I
had
a
lot
on
my
plate
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
digest
all
the
information,
but
but
the
concept
of
this
is
that
and-
and
let
me
let
me
just
point
out-
because
I
do
have
an
amendment
here
on
page
14
line
9-
that
the
program
created
under
that
we
go
through
march,
31
2022.
B
B
So
this
isn't
about
me
it's
about
everybody
else,
but
I
can
relate
my
personal
experiences
dealing
with
this
stuff
yeah.
We
do
have
an
amendment
for
that
section.
Six,
okay,
section
six
is
important
and
and
I'm
open
to
some-
some
subtle
changes
to
it.
But
this
really
is
the
issue
of
preemption.
B
If
federal
law
comes
in
and
preempts,
this
section
two
goes
away,
we
could
consider
a
preemption
that,
to
the
extent
the
federal
law
would
pre
it
that
only
that
portion-
that's
preempted
goes
away.
You
know
if
we
have
a
legal
mandate
in
place
and
it's
divine
to
find
a
state
mandate,
that's
in
place
that
that
should
that
is
a
mandate,
but
we
make
sure
our
exemptions
are
followed.
B
So
just
something
to
consider,
there's
probably
more
to
be
sorted
out
in
the
court
with
this
than
we
ever
ever
have
dreamt
the
provisions
of
this
act
relating
so
section
seven,
and
this
is
the
timing
requirement.
This
is
for
mandates
that
are
employees
that
are
affected
by
a
mandate
that
goes
into
effect
after
october
31..
I
think
again,
representative
gray.
This
is
where
he's
going
to
say
he
has
an
amendment.
I
think
makes
this
clearer
and
so
we'll
look
at
that
as
well.
B
Section
8
is
that
this
act
will
go
into
effect
immediately
on
completion
of
all
acts
necessary.
That,
basically,
is
signature,
a
royal
passage
of
both
houses
and
signature
of
the
governor.
I
so
with
that
committee.
B
Sorry,
I'm
kind
of
truncating
this,
so
we're
not
here
all
night
I'll,
be
more
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
we
can
dive
in
and
work
the
bill.
Are
there
any
general
questions
representative.
B
T
B
Okay,
what's
commit
committee's
pleasure,
moved
by
duncan
second
by
gray?
Okay,
while
we
do
this
okay,
so
this
this
take
stock
of
the
amendments
that
we
have
in
front
of
us.
B
What
I
have
is
a
two-page
amendment
by
representative
gray,
that's
identified
as
proposed
amendment,
I'm
looking
at
the
last
force,
5702.
B
That
that
can't
be
right,
because
representative
bears
his
name
got
the
same
number
on
this
all
right,
okay,
never
mind.
I've
got
two
copies
all
right,
so
we
got
a
two-page
amendment
from
representative
gray,
glass
force.
5702
we've
got
a
one
page
on
two
sides
from
representative
bear
which
is
3101.
B
We
have
an
amendment
from
me
regarding
that
date.
I
referenced,
which
is
house
bill,
2701.
B
B
So
I
think
so
as
we
go
through
the
bill
we
do
have.
One
of
the
amendments
is
to
strike
all
of
the
findings.
Representative
grave.
Is
that
one
of
your
amendments?
Would
you
like.
Q
To
move
that,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
move
yeah.
This
amendment
is
divisible,
so
I'm
going
to
move
amendment.
B
B
Through
sorry,
okay,
I'm
sorry
representative
great
interrupt
you.
Why
don't
we
this
we'll
work
the
bill
section
by
section
and
then
we'll
just
pull
out
your
amendments,
because
what
we'll
end
up
having
remember
is
one
standing
committee
amendment
that
has
all
of
our
collective
amendments
in
it
yeah.
So
I'm
trying
to
see
the
trying
to
keep
my
mind
clear
here:
yeah.
Y
B
Okay,
so
I'm
if
I'm
missing
something
in
your
amendments,
hype
up,
but
so,
while
we're
on
page,
you
know,
while
we're
on
section
one.
Q
Okay,
so
that
would
be
the
first
one
yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
I
move
lines
one
through
ten
of
amendment
5702
that
those
strike
the
the
legislative
findings.
I
I
think
on
this
bill.
It's
better.
We
don't
have
legislative
findings
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
I
don't
I've
had
findings
in
my
bill.
I
just
bills
in
the
past.
I
just
think
on
this
one.
We
should
not
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
just
get
a
second.
Do
we
get
a
second
okay?
We
just
keep
going
sorry.
AF
Yeah,
thank
you
so
yeah
that
that's
that's
the
amendment.
Any
discussion
on
that.
B
Okay
committee,
all
in
favor
of
striking
the
findings
say
aye
aye
opposed.
My
names
are
struck.
Okay,
we'll
also
have
to
cindy
renumber
is
necessary.
Okay,
all
right.
So
I'm
gonna
put
these
down
here
and
then
just
put
a
pass
on
that.
Okay,
so
that
then
takes
us
over
to
okay.
So
we
are
now
on
page
five.
Is
that
correct.
B
Me
make
sure
I've
got
this
right,
lens,
220,
okay,
so
b
says
use
in
so
this
non
codified
section
of
this
act.
So
you
want
the
definitions
to
stay
in
yes,
okay,
okay,
all
right
so
representative
bear
you
had.
I
recall
a
proposed
amendment
on
page
4
line,
12.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Yes,
I'm
going
to
strike
that
from
my
amendment.
We
had
a
discussion
about
this
earlier.
The
intent
of
that
line
was
simply
to
better
define
what
this
this
is
that's
being
mandated
and
the
second
definition
on
that
line
was
not,
in
my
opinion,
a
vaccine,
but
by
changing
it
to
the
word
drug.
It
makes
it
far
too
broad.
So
I'm
gonna
strike
that
line
four
from
my
amendment.
B
All
right,
so
I'm
looking
at
your
amendment,
so
we're
not
going
to
move
that
that'll
be
fine,
as
is
page
one
okay,
and
so
you
had
the
page
one
line.
Two
representative.
E
Bear
yeah
that's
at
the
very
beginning:
it's
just
because
I
am
adding
a
exemption
in
particular
for
emergency
use,
authorization,
vaccines,
and
so
that
has
to
be
part
of
so
I'll,
be
tied
with
another
component.
Okay,
sir.
B
All
right,
you
guys
got
to
help
me,
keep
these
okay,
okay,
all
right!
We're
good,
you're,
right!
Okay,
all
right!
So
going
through
the
definitions,
and
we
get
to
page
five
section
two
and
then
page
five
lines
19
through
13
is
representative.
Bear
is
laying
those
out
no
yeah
he's
not
gonna
he's
he's.
He
withdrew
that
yeah.
AB
B
Okay,
so
we're
on
section
two
right
now
right:
okay,
so
then
this
is
where
so
representative
bear,
and
this
is
where
this
gets
a
little
bit.
Excuse.
E
Me
yeah
go
ahead,
mr
chairman.
I
actually
that
emergency
use
authorization
actually
starts
on
page
four
right.
The
only
thing
I'm
striking
was
line
four
of
my
amendment,
so
I'd
like
to
move
the
amendment
and
strike
line
four
from
the
amendment.
B
E
B
Okay
through
I
got
it
okay,
so
what
your
amendment
would
be
is
and
I'm
looking
at
3101.
Okay,
I'm
just
gonna
restate
this
for
everybody
line.
One
is
in
the
long
title.
It
needs
to
have
an
addition:
okay
and
then
what
you're
looking
at
is
lines
six
through
eighteen,
as
a
as
an
amendment
regarding
emergency
authorization.
E
B
E
Move
amendment
3101
to
house
bill
hb1001
lines
1
through
25
minus
line;
four
okay
committee.
E
Okay,
go
ahead,
so
this
is
adding
to
the
other
exemptions
which
are
medical
and
religious,
we're
also
adding
now
emergency
use
authorization.
We
had
some
testimony
about
that
today.
The
current
vaccines
are
all
under
emergency
use
authorization.
The
particular
language
that's
used
here-
is
also
used
in
the
vaccination
requirements
within
our
system
of
education.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
Okay
to
page
five,
so
this
is
where
I'm
trying
to
reconcile
representative
bear
and
gray's
amendments,
and
so
why
why
don't
we
go
with
representative
gray's
amendment,
which
does
a
better
structure
and
then
represent
bear
if
you
need
to
amend
that
amended
language
if
it
passes
we'll
do
it
that
way?
Does
that
work?
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
yeah.
I
I
move
lines
12
through
35
of
amendment
5702
and
ask
for
a
second,
so
I
can
explain
it
second,
okay,
fair
yep!
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
I
think
this
amendment
and
representative
bear
can
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
it
does
what
he
wants
to
do,
plus
some
other
things
and
and
part
of
what
I
was
trying
to
do
overall
with
amendment
5702
is
provide
clarity
and
also
strengthen
the
bill,
and
I
think
the
exemption
portion
of
the
bill
is
an
extremely
important
portion
of
the
bill.
Q
So
what
this
does
is
it
deletes
the
current
language
and
it
reinserts
new
language.
That's
lines
14
to
35.
That's
that's
the
amendment
after
lines
12-13
which
just
deletes
what's
currently
there,
and
so
what
I'm
trying
to
do
here
is
the
employer,
provides
and
accepts
exemptions
to
the
requirement
or
mandate
upon
submission
of
written
evidence
of
an
objective
objection
on
medical
religious
grounds
in
accordance
with
the
following.
A
an
employer
shall
grant
an
exemption
for
religious
grounds
upon
submission
of
an
exemption.
Q
Q
Q
Part
b
is
on
the
medical
exemption.
An
employer
shall
grant
an
exemption
for
medical
grounds
upon
submission
of
an
exemption
that
is
completed
or
signed
by
a
licensed
physician.
I
was
out
of
the
room
presenting
a
bill
on
this.
I
hope
they
covered
it.
There
have
been
some
medical
exemptions
signed
by
physicians
that
have
not
been
granted
to
me.
That
should
be
a
catch-all
and
then
it
says
for
exemptions
for
medical
grounds
that
are
not
signed
or
completed
by
a
licensed
physician.
Q
An
employer
may
grant
the
exemption
so
there
they
do
get
some
authority
to
determine
whether
it's
legitimate
or
not,
and
I
I
think
that
that
is
legitimate,
then
c.
This
is
actually,
I
think,
an
extremely
important
portion
of
the
bill,
specifically
in
the
banner
situation,
which
they
had
an
exemption
that
ended
on
october
one,
and
so
there
were
some
people
that
didn't
submit
exemptions,
thinking
that
the
legislature
was
going
to
ban
mandates
entirely.
Q
I
want
to
reopen
that
process
for
them
and
for
those
that
have
not
yet
gone
into
effect
by
october
31,
which
is
the
sort
of
the
gradation
point
in
the
bill.
Q
So
we
use
this
language,
an
employer
who
has
enacted
a
coven,
19
vaccine
requirement
before
the
effective
date
of
this
section
and
cease
to
accept
their
solicit
exemptions
or
did
not
accept
or
solicit
exemptions
before
the
effective
date
of
this
section
shall
accept
and
grant
exemptions
in
accordance
with
this
paragraph,
on
and
after
the
effective
date
of
this
section,
this
was-
and
I
agree
I
acknowledge
that
this
might
need
we
might
need
to
insert
october
31st
somewhere
in
here.
Maybe
we
can
do
that
on
the
floor.
Q
But
the
point
here,
I
think,
is
extremely
important,
which
is
that
the
exemption
period
will
be
reopened
for
for
businesses
that
we
heard
testimony
that
were
denying
religious
exemptions,
we're
going
to
say
here
that
they
shall
issue
it.
So
we
should
reopen
it
when
it
hasn't
gone
into
effect
and
the
medical
exemption
issue
too,
which
we,
if
it
wasn't
handled
properly,
which,
if
we
adopt
b,
is
our
position
using
banner
is
one
example.
Q
I
do
think
this
language
may
need
some
work,
but
I
think,
what's
in
c
is
very
important
and
we
do
remove
representative
bear's
point.
We
do
remove
the
requirement
for
a
serologic
test,
which
I
think
we're
going
to
get
into
later,
which
is
a
separate
thing,
and
I
don't
think
was
ever
supposed
to
be
part
of
this
heart
to
require
an
antibody
test
to
get
a
religious
or
medical
exemption.
So
thank.
B
B
So
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
on
this
structure
how
we're
able
to
do
that.
So
I
think
what
we
can
do
right
now
is
a
discuss.
Your
amendment,
which
again
is
lines
12
through
35,
okay
and
then
we
can
just
continue
to
work
from
there.
Q
Mr
chairman,
thank
you,
representative
bear.
No,
I
I
my
understanding
was
you
were
going
to
cover
that,
so
I
I
left
that
to
your
amendment
and
I
think
you
do
so.
This
is
a
totally
separate
thing.
I
think
we
should
separate
those
paragraphs
because
you
get
too
many
concepts.
It's
talking
with
chairman
greer.
I
want
to
make
sure
we've
worked
a
lot
on
this,
that
we
don't
pass
a
bill
that
a
corporation
may
say
doesn't
apply
to
them
or
it
just
gets
too
complex,
and
I
just
think
we
should
have
separate
things.
B
So
what
I'm
believing
and
I'm,
I
think,
I'm
correct
on
this-
it's
got
romanent
to
a
is
religious
exemption
b.
Is
a
medical
exemption
c
deals
with
reopening
the
application
for
those
exemptions?
B
D
quite
possibly
could
be
language
of
submission,
or
it
should
be,
and
I'm
looking
at
this,
but
d
could
be
added
which
would
be.
Is
the
employee
shows
evidence
of
having.
B
Or
the
employee
submitting,
or
an
exemption
for
an
employee,
submitting
a
positive
antibody
test.
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
structure
of
this
law
is
what
I'm
trying
to
do.
Miss
jim.
E
E
Okay,
I'm
listening
so
verbiage
for
a
standalone
natural
immunity
piece.
E
We
probably
don't
need
any
of
that
reporting
right
page
three,
where
it
says
medical
contradiction,
contraindication
to
the
administration
of
the
coca-19
vaccine
or
written
evidence
that
the
employee
is
fully
recovered
from
a
cova-19
infection,
so
simply
the
language.
So,
okay,
so
just
go
that
just
that
last
part:
okay,
so
medical
contraindication
to
the
administration
of
the
coven
19
vaccine
or
written
evidence
that
the
employee
is
fully
recovered
from
a
covid19
infection
and
that
verbiage
can
be
found
on
house
bill.
1005,
page
2.
The
last
word:
medical
through
page
3
line
3.
E
Okay,
yeah
we're
being
a
little
informal
as
we
try
to
I'll
formulate
this
back
around
so
just
to
keep
the
verbage
the
same
for
items
a
b,
c
and
now
d.
This
c
item
we
would
begin
with
an
employer
shall
grant
an
exemption
for
and
then
that
verb
reach
that
I
shared
with
you
yep.
B
Okay
committee:
I've
got
this
cindy,
I
don't
know
duncan
I'll
hang
out.
This
goes.
This
passes,
make
sure
we
get
it.
So
here's
what
we
have.
We
have
a
motion
with
a
second
and
some
discussion
from
representative
gray.
Looking
at
the
amendment
5702
lines
12
through
35,
okay,
I
think
we
understand
that
there
is
an
is
an
amendment
to
the
amendment
by
representative
bear
which
would
be
to
insert
a
new
c
renumber
c
is
d.
B
The
new
c
would
read:
employer
shall
grant
an
exemption
okay
for
yeah
answer.
Employer
shall
get
an
exception
for
medical
contradiction:
contraindication.
Contrary
indication
to
the
administration
of
the
coveted
19
vaccine
or
written
evidence
that
the
employee
is
fully
recovered
from
a
coved
19
infection,
do
you
find
that
as
a
friendly
amendment.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
do,
but
I
do
have
one
one
change
to
romanette
too,
because
we
got
to
take
some
wording
out
to
make
this
work.
I
think
we
need
to
take
out
in
line
17
of
the
amendment
of
an
objection
line
17
going
to
18
the
last
word
of
line
17
of
going
on
to
late
line
18.
I
think
we
need
to
take
out
an
objection
on
medical
or
religious
grounds,
so
roman
at
two.
If
we're
gonna,
do
it
this
way,
which
I'm
fine
with
romanette
2
would
read.
Q
B
B
AH
B
B
B
B
E
Okay,
in
this
particular
case,
we're
after
the
word
public
we're
inserting
or
we're
deleting
the
balance
of
that
line.
Let's
see
this,
what
this
does
is
this
makes
this
particularly
difficult
to
define
situation
of
undue
burden
on
the
employer,
we're
taking
that
verbiage
out
of
there.
I
believe
it's
going
to
be
far
too
difficult
to
prove
that
that's
an
undue
burden
on
them.
Is
there
a
second
on
that
amendment?
Second,
second,
by
gray,
okay,
go
ahead,
so
I
move
that
I
move.
E
AB
AD
T
B
It's
still
needed
yep.
I-
and
I
I
too
and
again,
and
I
welcome
all
the
amendments
and
appreciate
the
amendments
as
an
employer.
You
know
when
we
talk
in
the
field
of
discrimination,
you're
able
to
make
reasonable
accommodations
and
they
are
reasonable,
accommodations
and
sometimes
as
an
employer.
You
find
an
accommodation
that
might
be
required,
is
so
onerous
or
so
unreasonable
as
to
not
be
economical.
So
I
I
have
concerns
with
removing
that
myself,
but
so
I'll.
Let
any
further
debate
on
that
on
the
issue.
K
K
B
So
I
can't
speak
to
that
with
respect
to
this
legislation
and
speak
to
it.
With
respect
to
dealing
with,
you
know,
say
an.
Y
B
Claim,
for
example,
is
if
you
reassign
somebody,
you
don't
you
know,
and
so
I
I
my
business
has
a
cba.
I
mean
it's
a
unionized
business.
If,
if
I
took
somebody,
you
know
from
the
lab
and
moved
them
to
the
filter
floor,
for
example,
I
couldn't
lower
their
wages.
They'd
have
to
hit
the
same
wage.
B
I
don't
know
that's
crystal
clear
in
this
legislation.
I
just
know
that's
the
strong
argument
with
it,
which
may
be
something
to
look
at
as
the
bills
work
further.
Is
that
without
a
diminution
in
compensation,
maybe
language
should
be
added.
So,
okay,
all
right
sensing,
all
those
in
favor
of
that
amendment,
which
is
on
the
bear
amendment
page
two
lines.
You
know
one
and
three
yeah
it's
on
page
six
of
the
bill
regarding
the
undue
burden.
B
Okay,
so
we
got
page
6
line
16
through
okay.
Oh
I'm,
sorry!
So
I've
got
to
do
that.
I'm
sorry
so
that
that
amendment
would
be
lines
one
through
six,
sorry,
okay!
So
the
next
one
is
the
penalty.
Q
Page
seven
yeah
lines
one
through
three:
it's
the
amendment
5702
lines,
one
through
two.
It's
that
60
day
issue
that
placeholder.
Oh.
AF
Q
Yeah
go
ahead.
Go
ahead,
make
your
motion.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
move
lines
one
through
two
of
page
two
of
amendment
57
o2
for
discussion.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
and
appreciate
you
know
you
you
emphasize
them
that
these
are
placeholders.
We
talked
about
that,
and
so
I
I
wanted
to
have
the
discussion
about
having
that
at
120
days.
It's
a
policy
choice.
I
was
just
curious
why
we
ended
up
the
60
and
you
know.
I
think
that
anyway
I
just
thought
120.
So
I
was
curious
what
what
the
thoughts
were
on
that.
So
thank
you.
B
Again
I'll
just
say
that
the
60
days
was,
I
pushed
the
pause
button
on
this
and
there's
nothing
magic
about
it.
It's
again,
as
I
said
to
begin
with,
was
a
placehold
holder,
that's
subject
to
amendment.
So,
while
you
asked
me
a
question,
let
me
throw
the
question
back
to
you.
Why
120
days
versus
60
days.
Q
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
basically
there's
a
few
there's
one
in
particular
that
testified
today
and
they
started
talking
about
and
issued
their
their
potential
mandate
back
in
july,
so
their
employees
have
been
notified
since
july
of
what
you
know
potentially
is
happening.
We
have
another
entity
that
is
putting
in
a
potential
mandate
due
to
the
fed
rules
in
december
8th.
F
So
I'm
not
sure
that
120
days
is
I
I
would.
If
we're
going
to
do
anything,
I
prefer
the
60,
but
I
would
prefer
the
suggested
amendment
that
was
given
earlier,
but
I
don't
feel
that
we
need
to
push
this
further
into
120
days
versus
60
days,
because
they've
already
been
notified
well
in
advance.
B
I
do
recall
representative
gray
committee
members.
A
little
bit
of
our
discussion
was
also
just
to
see
what
would
would
come
out
of
osha
for
rules
to
to
see
what
actually
might
might
happen
or
be
there.
That
was
the
reason
for
the
pauses
to
see
what
would
happen
from
the
federal
government.
I
think
that's
where
the
60-day
time
frame
came
from
you
know.
Interestingly
enough,
like
you
know,
sam
shock
came
out,
says
they're
not
going
to
be
subject
to
that
mad
day.
T
B
Okay,
so
that-
and
I
should
say
this-
is
the
law's
design
and
we'll
talk
about
this.
A
little
bit
more
with
laws
designed
for
employees
that
have
lost
their
employment
is
the
effect
of
a
mandate
after
october
31.,
so
those
that
have
lost
their
job
or
got
vaccinated
or
already
quit
or
moved
on.
We
can't
help
them.
B
He
can
catch
me
later
than
he
should
okay,
so
that
that
amendment
so
page,
two
of
the
gray
amendment
lines,
one
through
two-
was
not
adopted.
Okay,
now,
okay
lines,
lines.
Q
You,
mr
chairman,
I
would
like
to
move
page
two
line
four
of
amendment
5702,
which
deals
with
page
seven
line.
Seven,
and
if
we
get
second
for
discussion.
Q
Okay,
go
ahead.
Remember,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
this
is
in
the
box
of
of
clarity
and,
and
one
of
my
concerns
in
this
bill
is
that
you
know
we
do
want
to
make
sure
banner
was
a
huge
part
of
the
discussion
on
this
session
and
there
are
a
couple
other
mandates
going
into
effect,
october,
31
and
november
1st
and
I'm
a
little
concerned.
The
way
this
is
this
is
worded.
Q
I
want
to
make
sure
it
keys
in
mandates
that
have
already
been
issued,
but
do
not
take
effect
until
october
31st
or
after
so
I
just
added
the
language
that
takes
effect
on
page
seven
line,
seven
after
the
word
employment,
and
I
think
it's
it's
good
clarity,
and
I
I
I
think
it's
a
good
amount.
Thank
you.
Okay,
any
further
discussion.
B
B
Okay,
page
seven
line.
Eleven
okay
hundred
dollars
was
a
placeholder.
E
B
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
think
that
is
an
error
and
I'm
not
intending
I
I
I
think,
representative
bear
I'm
happy
to
have
him
move
his
amendment
on
this
area.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
All
right
so,
okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
go
with
representative
barrissy,
where
that
goes.
Okay,.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
move
amendment
house
bill
or
amendment
h3
101
house,
bill
1001.
E
Let's
get
to
that
page
after
the
word
penalty
of
on
line
11
of
page
seven
we're
doing
five
thousand
dollars,
plus
an
additional
one
hundred
dollars
per
day.
So
the
fine
would
be
five
thousand
dollars,
plus
one
hundred
dollars
per
day.
E
E
F
I
mean
that
that's
anti-business,
I
just
don't
get
why
we're
penalizing
to
that
severity,
they're
already
having
to
submit
written
documentation
to
workforce
services,
they're
already
having
to
make
accommodations
and
all
of
this
and
and
they're
also
having
to
pay
for
testing
and
all
these
extra
combinations.
So
now
we're
also
going
to
penalize
them
at
five
thousand
dollars,
plus
a
hundred
dollars
a
day.
So
I'm
adamantly
opposed
to
this
as
a
small
business
owner.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
urge-
and
I
vote
on
this
amendment.
I
think-
and
I
understand
what
representative
dunk
by
sherman
duncan
is
saying,
but
I
think
that
they
only
have
to
issue
it
once
for
it
to
change
somebody's
life
and
for
someone
half
to
have
to
make
this
decision
so
if
it
were
issued
for
one
day
and
it's
a
100
penalty
and
your
banner
health,
I
I'm
concerned
about
it
not
being
enough
of
the
disincentive.
Q
So
I
I'm
going
to
vote
eye
on
this
amendment.
I
I
still
think
these
are
levels
that
I
I
think
we've
got
to
have
a
disincentive.
We
have
a
penalty
that
that
has
some
beef
here
understand
what
vice
chairman,
duncan's
saying,
but
I'm
gonna
vote.
Thank
you.
L
L
So
the
proposed
penalties
that
businesses
will
pay.
Where
does
that
money
go.
L
Follow-Up
question
I
mean
5000
again
with
representative
duncan,
seems
extreme
for
some
of
our
small
businesses
so
yeah
I
just.
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
logic
to
that
and
then
not
really
knowing
where
that
money
goes
or
what
it
does.
Or
you
know
if
it
helps
with
education
or
testing
or
I
yeah
just
concerned.
Okay,.
E
E
It's
not
the
same
as
meeting
compliance
by
providing
testing
and
other
things.
So,
as
I
read
this,
it
says
an
employer
who
first
requires
or
mandates
employees
to
receive
the
cova
19
vaccine
as
a
condition
of
employment,
with
our
amendment
that
takes
effect
on
our
after
october
31st
of
2021
and
whose
requirement
or
mandate
does
not
conform
to
the
requirements
of
subsection.
Eight,
in
other
words,
this
statute.
E
Z
Mr
chairman,
I
certainly
appreciate
the
online
teeth
in
this
bill,
but
I
mean,
let's
just
do
run
some
quick
math,
so
five
grand
plus
100
bucks
a
day,
it's
a
thousand
dollars
every
10
days.
That's
3
000
a
month,
that's
a
pretty
serious
burden
on
a
small
business,
and
I
look
at
someone
like
myself.
I
have
an
employee
that
w-2
employee
that
I
play
workers
comp
unemployment
all
that
stuff.
If
all
of
a
sudden,
I
have
to
pay
3
grand
a
month
for
an
undetermined
amount
of
time.
E
B
B
B
Let
me
let
me
do
something
here
on
page
10.
and
this
had
troubled
me
from
the
get-go
and
forgive
me,
but
I'm
I'm
so
I'm
going
to
move
that
we
strike
on
page
10
line
4.
B
All
the
way
over
on
page
11,
to
line
two.
B
Four
or
five
years
ago,
it
was
reworked
in
in
a
way
I'm
probably
gonna
get
this
wrong,
but
that
employers
that
have
a
lot
of
injuries
those
you
know
a
lot
of
frequent
injuries
which
show
workplace
issues
get
charged
more
of
their
costs,
where
those
with
one
large
claim
are
are
more
spread
out
over
the
pool
for
that
industry
and
my
concern
with
this
language
again.
B
This
was
put
in
there
to
cover
all
the
ideas
that
were
brought
forward,
but
my
concern
is
that
an
employer
who
has
to
pick
this
up
on
their
work
comp
coverage
could
negatively
affect
the
workers
comp
rates
of
other
people
within
their
within
their
industry.
So
that's
why
I'm
looking
at
striking
that
now
after
and
then,
we've
also
heard
some
testimony
from
that
they
didn't
like
the
language
as
well.
AF
B
Well
so
so
my
feeling
on
this
is
is
we've
got
penalty
is
light
as
it
is,
and
I'm
sure
that
we're
not
done
discussing
or
debating
that
particular
penalty.
B
We
also
have
the
severance
language
for
compensation
back
to
employees.
Keep
in
mind
all
the
amendments
that
we're
doing
right
here
are
all
going
to
be
subject
to
a
majority
vote
on
the
house
floor
as
well.
B
E
Mr
chairman,
let's
go
represent
fair
yeah.
Thank
you.
E
I
I
have
the
same
sentiment,
so
I
won't
repeat
that,
but
one
of
the
things
that
happened
in
the
special
session
of
2020
is
liability,
but
protection
was
provided
to
corporations
and
one
of
the
items
in
house
bill.
1005
is
just
removing
that
particular
protection
that
was
only
provided
for
covet
19
for
companies
that
would
mandate
this
vaccine.
So
I
would
just
recommend
if
we
did
approach
the
liability
piece,
and
I
would
certainly
encourage
us
to
do
that
to
just
insert
the
language
from
page
five
of
house
bill.
1005.
B
Can
we
I
mean,
can
we
bring
that
as
an
amendment
later
in
the
process?
Yes,
sir
yeah,
I'm
just
scrambling
my
brain
on
how
I
get
this
put
together
for
so
yeah.
Well
I'll,
be
the
first
one
to
tell
you
is
that
liability
protection
I
fought
and
lost,
so
I've
never
been
a
fan
of
that.
But
anyway,
okay.
B
Okay,
so
line
11.
I
do
want
to
section
four,
and
I
suspect
so
this
is
this
is
another
part
of
funds
in
here
or
healthcare,
sororities
relief
and
worker
incentive
program.
B
And
again,
what
representative
larson
had
told
me
is
that
there
were
20
million
dollars
in
a
pot
that
is
their
stipend
for
hospitals.
It's
already
available
we'd
be
creating
another
pot
with
this
section,
four,
I'm
fine
taking
that
to
the
floor
and
discussing
it,
I'm
also
fine
with
striking
it.
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
to
the
committee.
B
B
Well,
cj
you're,
the
chairman
of
appropriations
and
this
information
came
to
me
second
hand
and
because
you
are
probably
at
least
the
third
best
cook
in
cheyenne
I'll
afford
you
that
opportunity
to
represent
that
question.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
what
we
found
out.
B
So
the
because
we
had
this.
AI
The
same
question,
so
we
had
the
director
of
health.
Stefan
johansen
came
and
walked
through
this
with
us,
as
well
as
the
randy
mckay
from
the
governor's
office
to
explain
what
they
were
doing
and
how
they
were
doing
and
how
much
they
were
doing
and
what
they
told
us
was
that
it
was
it
wasn't:
20
million
it
was
30
million.
They
made
it.
AI
They
in
the
pots
that
was
just
recently
made
available
and
of
that
20
million
was
was
meant
to
go
to
specifically
for
wage
enhancement
for
nursing
and
for
care
staff,
10
million
for
the
travelers
nurses.
So
they
kind
of
broke
it
up
and
it.
AI
But
if
you
combine
that
to
what
they've
previously
done,
that
they've
already
given
more
than
60
million
for
this
particular
type
of
project
and
what
they
also
tell
this
was
and-
and
mr
mckay
told
us
this
yesterday
as
well-
that
in
the
effect,
if
this
money
runs
out,
if
they
run
out
of
the
30
million,
then
they
will
and
they're
still
in
need.
They
will
go
back
into
the
arpa
funds,
take
a
b11
and
continue
to
pay
it
out.
So
they
believe
that
they
have
all
of
this.
All
of
these
issues
covered
they've.
AI
They
also
told
us
that
the
they,
the
department
of
health,
has
a
already
established
a
formula
on
how
you
pay
out
to
each
health
care
provider
to
the
to
the
employer,
and
it's
based
upon
number
of
beds.
It's
taste
upon
number
of
patients,
and
so
it
goes
into
a
formula
so
that
addresses
the
1.5
million
cap
so
and
they
think
that
that's
a
better
way
than
doing
it
than
just
putting
the
cap
on
it.
And
so,
if
any
other
questions
about
I'd
be
happy
to
do
it.
AI
But
that's,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
by
the
way
we
stripped
the
money
out
of
it
and
jayce,
you
know
how
inappropriate.
AI
And
just
to
follow
up
on
your
workers
question
since
I'm
here,
and
I
know
the
answer
to
it:
the
way
that
this
is
currently
written,
if
you,
if
you
you
require,
if
you
mandate
a
vaccine
and
it's
your
work
performance,
then
that
is
a
compensable
injury
and
it
would
be
covered
on
a
workers
comp.
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
all
right,
so
we're
cleaning
this
up
just
to
touch
with
that.
Okay,
any
further
discussion.
Thank
you,
chairman,
nicholas
appreciate
it
all
those
okay,
sensing
you're
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
striking
section.
Four,
please
say:
aye
opposed!
Okay.
That
amendment
has
been
adopted.
B
So
that
means
that
my
amendment
on
page
12
is
now
irrelevant,
so
I
need
to
worry
about
that.
So
now,
okay,
so
line
14.
Excuse
me
page
14
line
9..
This
is
a
reimbursement
to
any
business
for
testing
materials,
and
so
this
was
sent
just
a
little
history.
Okay,
let
me
move
this
amendment
2701.,
so,
okay
spend
second
when
we
were
working
this
bill,
initially
senator
hicks
and
I
were
going
back
and
forth
and
we
were
running
short
on
time.
I
think
you
all
can
appreciate
that
this
date.
B
What
was
the
october
at
2024,
which
is
when
the
arpa
funds
run
out
and
senator
hicks,
said
hey.
We
need
to
move
this
date.
It
was
a
bit
of
a
confusion.
This
would
be
a
scenario
wherein
so
this
say:
federal
mandate
comes
down
for
osha
and
you
don't
issue
the
vaccine,
but
your
alternative
is
for
testing.
B
This
would
be
a
pool
of
money
to
help
employers
get
reimbursed
for
those
testing
expenses,
so
it
just
helps
lessen
that
burden
and
I
think
it
would
be
appropriate
rather
than
march
31
2022
and
have
to
readdress
it
or
re-extend.
During
the
budget
sessions.
Just
go
ahead
and
run
it
out
to
the
end
of
the
arpa
funds.
That's
what
the
amendment
does.
B
Q
Okay,
I'm
gonna
move
lines
10
through
12
on
page
two
of
amendment
5702.
B
So,
okay,
10
to
12
yeah,
so
you're
gonna
delete
a
belt;
okay
got
it:
okay,
okay,
okay,
on
on
the
amendment,
he's
gonna
delete
or
he
he
is.
B
AF
Q
Go
ahead,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
if
someone
interacts
with
the
next
one,
but
they're
they're
somewhat
different
things,
I
think
having
the
governor
certify
that
this
is
happening,
that
the
federal
government
is
preempted
is
problematic
on
a
on
a
number
of
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
it
interacts
with
the
next
amendment
as
well.
Q
What
happens
if
the
state
of
wyoming
is
not
a
signatory
to
the
ultimate
federal
litigation
that
that
becomes
the
main
one
flowing
through
the
federal
court
system?
The
way
this
is
worded
one,
it
gives
the
governor
discretion,
which
I
have
an
issue
with.
I
mean
it
it's
pretty
clear,
especially
with
the
next
amendment,
what
this
is
supposed
to
do.
Q
So
if
the
state
of
louisiana
files
a
lawsuit
and
that
ends
up
being
the
vehicle
that
goes
to
the
federal
court
system
and
there's
a
nationwide
stay
and
that's
the
one
ultimately
going
through
the
supreme
court.
Let's
say:
wyoming
is
not
a
signatory
on
that
and
oftentimes
as
litigation
moves
to
the
federal
courts.
We
are
not
signatories
to
many
many
state
actions
to
me.
The
way
this
language
is
the
governor
could
certify
that
all
wyoming
litigation
has
been
exhausted,
and
I
take
issue
with
that.
Q
I
think
the
intent
of
this-
and
it
goes
along
with
the
next
amendment-
is
that
it's
any
challenge
working
its
way
through
the
federal
court
system.
So
if
the
state
of
louisiana
has
a
nationwide
stay
and
they're
trying
to
move
it
through
the
supreme
court
and
that
stay
might
be
lifted,
the
governor
couldn't
just
come
in
and
say:
hey
all.
Wyoming
litigation
has
been
exhausted,
so
I
I
think
we
need
to
remove
this
certification.
I
I
don't
think
this
is
good
practice
in
wyoming
statute.
B
Any
discussion
committee,
okay,
so,
representative
gray,
my
my
my
question
and
in
light
of
what
I'm
assuming
is
the
next
amendment
is
you
know
this
talks
about
any
challenge
so
to
me
any
challenges,
anything!
That's
in
existence.
The
question
is
as
an
employer.
How?
How
do
you?
How
do
you
get
to
a
point
of
certainty
with
that
and
and
and
that's
all,
I'm
looking
at
I'll,
just
stay
18
months
of
uncertainty
as
an
employer
is
for
having
me
insane
so
that
that's
my
question
on
that.
Q
Mr
chairman,
I
think
the
certainty
comes
when
all
litigation
has
made
its
way
through
the
federal
court
system,
which
I
I
don't
think,
there's
much
question
about
when
that
would
occur.
I
mean
the
the
intent
of
this.
As
I
understood
it
is
that
it's
any
litigation
so
right
I
mean.
Obviously,
if
you
have
the
supreme
court
decline
cert
on
the
state
of
louisiana's
action,
everything
else
is
going
to
fail
right
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
obvious.
I
think
a
court
would
be
interpreting
this.
I
don't
see
us
doing
this
in
statute.
Q
That
often,
where
you
have
an
officer
of
the
executive
branch
certifying
what
is
clear
in
statute,
and
I
I
don't
I
just
I
I
know
it
might
happen.
Sometimes
I
don't
think
it's
good
practice
and
I
don't
think
it's
needed
in
this
and
and
there's
a
question
here.
So
what?
If
the
governor
decides?
Hey,
I'm
just
going
to
issue
this
and
the
state
of
louisiana's
petition
is
still
making
its
way
through
the
federal
court
system.
Q
Well,
then,
you
actually
have
uncertainty,
and
I
mean
the
pure
language
is
that
we
should
be
waiting
until
this
has
made
its
way
through,
but
the
governor
has
decided
well,
I
think
we
should
execute
this
provision
of
the
statute
and
then
you
do
have
uncertainty
yeah
all
right.
Well,
thank
you.
Any
further
discussion.
B
L
It
is
clear
as
mud
for
me,
mr
chairman,
I
I
was
sort
of
following
along
with
this
like
yeah.
Let's
take
the
governor
of
the
equation,
but
then,
when
I
look
at
the
next
piece
of
it,
the
word
any
is
way
too
broad
for
me
and
I
do
think
it
creates
a
lot
of
uncertainty.
B
Yeah
so
motion
be
the
yeah.
The
motion
the
motion
before
us
is
the
gov.
Is
the
governor
certified
to
the
secretary
of
state
that
all
challenges
have
been
exhausted.
That's
the
motion
before
us.
Okay,
any
further
discussion,
question
being
called
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye
opposed.
Okay.
That
motion
is
adopted.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Okay,
I
move
lines
14
through
20
of
page
two
of
amendment
5702.
Q
Q
Now
I
know
the
last
clause
there
that
any
person
or
entity
is
probably
going
to
make
some
people
nervous.
However,
the
reality
is
if
the
state
vehicle
fails,
all
of
the
other
vehicles
are
going
to
fail.
Now
I
think
if
someone
wants
to
make
a
friendly
amendment,
maybe
we
should,
because
I
think
it's
going
to
make
people
nervous.
I
think
my
main
thing
is
any
state
or
united
states
territory
any
because
I
think,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
there's
going
to
be
a
ton
of
states
file
litigation.
Q
If
the
federal
mandate
comes
into
place,
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
states
are
going
to
sign
on
or
the
state
of
wyoming
is
not
necessarily
going
to
sign
on
to
the
vehicle
that
ends
up
going
through,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is
any
state
vehicle,
because
if
that's
the
one
the
supreme
court
is
going
to
hear,
we
should
not
be
in
limbo
and
have
the
mandate
go
into
effect.
So
maybe
we
should
remove
or
any
person
or
entity.
Q
But
I
think
this
is
pretty
important
at
least
the
first
section,
and
I
don't
like
the
second
section.
I
know
it's
going
to
probably
cause
heartburn.
I
don't
think
it
does
what
some
people
are
concerned
that
it
does,
but
maybe
chairman
grier
can
weigh
in.
B
B
So
so,
representative
gray,
I
I
agree,
we
would
need
to
remove
any
person
or
entity
and
then
I
would
also
say
in
any
state
or
united
states
territory
and
just
in
because
this
is
all
going
to
be
handled
in
the
federal
courts
and-
and
so
this
would
be
my
concern
getting
back
to
certainty
is,
I
could
go
file
a
lawsuit
in
state
court,
pretty
quick,
because
I
still
got
my
license.
I
could
just
go
file
it
and
and
then
preserve
things
with
that.
So
I
think
we
need
to.
B
If
we're
going
to
go
forward,
we
really
should
have
an
amendment
to
move
to
remove
or
any
person
or
entity,
and
then
I
would
this
is
any
state
or
united
states
territory.
B
AD
B
Z
B
J
B
A
friendly
member,
okay,
so
folks
with
the
friendly
amendment,
is
that
good
with
the
second
okay?
So
what
we
would
do
is
we're.
Looking
at
the
great
I'm
just
called
the
gray
amendment
on
page
2
lines
14
through
20.
B
B
B
Okay,
representative
gray
line
15
our
page
15
line
10
is
next.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
really
appreciate
the
patience
of
the
committee
here
I
move.
We
are
getting
close
to
the
end
here.
I
move
on
page
two
of
amendment
5702
lines
21-22
on
page,
okay,
two.
Q
So
this
is
the
sunset,
the
second
part
of
the
sunset
which
would
move
it
back
to
march
this,
the
second
and
again
there's
the
sunset
where
if
a
federal
mandate
went
into
effect
it
it
would
sunset.
I
say
that
anyway,
this
other
one,
though
that
triggers
is
this
date
and
right
now
it
reads
march
31
2022-
and
I
I
just
don't
like
this
as
a
policy,
so
I
understand
what
this
is
trying
to
do.
Q
This
is
saying:
well
we're
going
to
come
back
in
the
budget
session
and
pass
a
whole
new
statute,
but
to
me,
after
all
this
work,
we've
done.
It
should
be
the
other
way
around,
which
is
that
there
should
be
a
statute
to
amend
this,
or
if
someone
wants
to
eliminate
it,
we
shouldn't
have
to
go
back
through.
I
think
it
should
be
the
other
way
around,
and
so
I
mean
honestly,
I
was
thinking
of
just
eliminating
this
section.
I
did
it
2023..
Q
B
I'm
just
telling
you
I
I
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you,
but
yeah,
I'm
sure
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
covet
10
years
from
now
so
yeah.
B
Q
Representative
gray,
okay,
mr
chairman's
last
one,
I
move
lines
23
to
lines
29
of
page
two
of
amendment
5702
1001..
Second,.
Q
Q
E
E
Q
Mr
chairman,
I
I
certainly
think
it's
clearer
than
the
current
language.
You
know
I
I,
if
you
have
ideas
on
how
to
make
it
even
clearer,
but
I
talked
about
this
quite
a
few
times
around
and
we
already
passed
amendment
I
mean
I
think
it.
This
at
least
makes
it
clear
and
if
anyone
has
ideas
to
make
it
even
more
crystal
clear,
I'm
I'm
open
to
that.
B
Yeah,
I
you
know
this.
This
particular
section
troubled
me
to
the
same
degree,
I
felt
as
drafted
that
it
would
cover
the
scenario,
but
I
agree
it
could
be
clearer
and
I
do
think
this
new
language
does
make
it
clearer
and
so
I'm
I
agree.
I
I
think
it
is
clear
with
the
amendment
in
it
so
yeah,
okay,
question
being
called
there's
no
further
discussion.
Okay,
question:
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment
say:
aye
opposed
that
amendment
is
adopted.
B
Okay
committee:
are
there
any.
B
Further
amendments:
okay,
all
right,
so
you
got
to
help
me
representative
if
they
go
into
things.
We've
amended.
Okay,
mr.
B
Z
Okay,
go
ahead
representative,
so,
mr
chairman,
the
one
I'm
looking
at
a
couple.
One
of
them,
though,
is
page
five
section
two
coming
out,
I,
which
we
have
not
amended.
B
B
X
Z
Z
The
last
couple
hours
going
through
one
member's
amendment,
let's
just
keep
the
ball
rolling.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much.
My
concern
is
that
no
mate
make
motion.
Is
the
amendment?
That's
what
is,
broadly
speaking,
the
end
of
line
15
after
workplace
put
a
comma.
Z
Z
Go
ahead
representative.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
So
the
rationale
here
is
that
there
is
a
business
in
sheridan
that
has
over
100
employees.
That's
up
in
the
business
park.
I
think
we
can
use
names,
correct,
yeah
yeah
we
do
it
yeah,
so
keenan
designs
employs
like
110
ish
employees
are
somewhere
around
there's
over
100
and
half
the
revenue
comes
from
contracts,
the
department
of
defense.
They
make
this
special
fabric
that
goes
on.
You
know
jets
and
stuff
like
that.
Z
Z
I
am
not
interested
in
being
in
a
place
where
I
can
get
kind
of
double
whacked
by
the
feds
in
the
state.
So
my
reasoning
for
this
language
is
that
this
ensures
that
he
will
not
have
the
state
come
after
him
as
well,
because
the
reality
is.
I
think
I
feel
that
my
wording
does
a
good
job
of
covering
him
because
I
don't
have
half
here
after
revenue
comes
from
federal
contracts,
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
jeopardized
the
status
of
their
business.
So
that's
why?
I
insert
that
language.
Q
Any
discussion
any
further
discussion,
representative,
graham
mr
chairman,
I
I'm
gonna-
be
voting
no
on
this.
I
I
think
it's
already
covered
by
the
mandate
language.
I
mean.
I
think,
that
if
there
were
a
mandate
on
federal
contracts,
they
could
just
say
site
the
preemption
area,
and
I
think
that's
so
broad
that
I
think
it
could
be
cited
by
almost
anybody,
and
so
I
think
it
really
really
weakens
the
bill.
So
I'm
gonna
be
voting
now.
B
I
actually
like
the
amendment
and
I
don't
think
it
weakens
a
bill,
because
what
I
think
we
do
here
is
we
provide
a
vehicle
that
allows
an
employer
to
have
a
mandate,
but
by
state
law
we
specify
the
exemptions
that
preserve
the
rights
of
our
citizens,
and
so,
if
I
have
a
federal
contract
coming
in,
I
can
then
point
to
the
state
statute
and
say:
okay,
I
do
have
a
mandate,
but
I'm
following
my
state
law
and
they
have
some
strength
to
make
an
argument
that
they
still
can
apply
for
that
contract
and
I
think
it's
business
friendly
without
diminishing
the
bill
and
is
sensitive
to
something
that
is,
is
a
huge
concern
by
our
private
employers.
B
Okay,
no
further
discussion,
okay,
question
being
called
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment
say:
aye
opposed
okay
that
will
be
adopted.
B
Okay,
I'm
gonna
be
an
hour
making
sure
we
get
this
to
lso
tonight.
So
any
further
discussion
on
the
bill
committee
good
work.
B
We'll
we'll
deal
with
this
one
and
then
we'll
we'll
move
on
to
those
okay,
all
right,
since
we're
ready
to
vote
so
we'll
be
voting
on
house
bill.
One
zero,
zero
one
question
being
called
house
bill:
1001
is
amended
by
the
committee.
B
B
Recommended
do
pass
we'll.
Take
this
to
the
house
floor.
I
will
to
get
the
my
my
intent
is.
This
goes
into
one
standing
committee
amendment
is
to
have
that
divided
out
and
I'll
try
to
get
that
those
divisions
pennsylvan
into
the
committee
in
the
morning
and
then
we'll
expect
the
committee
members
who
brought
some
of
these
amendments
to
to
defend
them
on
the
house
floor.
B
So,
okay
with
that,
the
chair
would
entertain
a
motion
to
table
house
bill.
105
moved
by
air
taken
by
western
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
okay
house
bill
105
will
be
tabled
now
we'll
get
to
do
something.
We
don't
always
get
to
do
house
bill,
109
being
the
speaker's
bill.
That's
here
to
entertain
a
motion
to
table
that
okay,
a
motion
by
representative
heiner
is:
is
there
a
second
second
sure?
Well,
representative
sherwood,
did
you
want
to
second
it
sure?
B
Okay,
second,
by
sherwood,
okay,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye,
okay,
house
bill
1009
will
be
tabled.
Good
work
committee.
We'll
get
this
to
the
floor.
I
expect
us
to
have
a
good
debate.
There's
lots
of
opportunities
for
this
to
be
refined,
as
we
work
through
the
process
having
the
the
discussion
that
we
need
to
have
with
that
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.