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A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
have
before
us
senate
file,
1003
government,
19,
discriminatory
practices,
prohibition
and
senator
assignments.
I
see
that
you
are
among
others
on
here,
but
you
are
the
I
guess
you're
listening
to
the
prime
sponsor.
So
why
don't
you
take
us
through
the
bill.
C
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
committee
for
taking
up
this
bill.
So
on.
May
7
2021
governor
gordon
issued
a
statewide
directive
prohibiting
vaccine
passports
and
that
is
kind
of
the
premise
of
this
bill.
So
we
have
placed
it
in
title
35,
so
that
kind
of
reorganized
it
as
the
draft
that
we
first
came
out
with.
So
it
starts
out
first
on
page
two
with
our
insurance
coverage.
It's
in
title
26,
which
is
the
insurance
code
and
chapter
20
mandated
coverage
as
you'll
remember.
C
This
was
a
part
where
our
insurance
comes
into
play,
and
so
the
the
descriptions
or
definitions
page
is
on
page
five
of
the
bill
that
this
is
referring
to
that's
a
new
section,
and
so
this
basically
states
at
the
bottom
of
page
two
that
an
insurer
providing
group
or
individual
an
individual
policy
contractor
plan
for
health
insurance
shall
not
use
the
kovid
19
vaccination
status
of
a
person
as
a
basis
to
reject
deny
limit,
cancel,
refuse
to
renew
increase
the
premiums
for
limit
the
amount,
extent
or
kind
of
coverage
available
to
otherwise
adversely
affect
eligibility
for
or
coverage
for,
the
group
or
individual
health
policy
contract
or
plan
for
health
insurance
and
the
reason
I
believe
this
is
really
important.
C
As
my
husband
works
in
the
insurance
industry,
he
could
see
this
going
into
effect
either
way
whether
a
person
is
vaccinated
or
non-vaccinated,
he
could
see
insurance
companies
detrimentally
hurting
their
clientele
with
a
coveted
restriction,
and
so,
for
example,
as
of
now
non-vaccinated,
is
something
they're
looking
heavily
into.
But
if
there
were
to
arise,
complications
from
vaccination,
that
could
be
a
problem
as
well.
C
So
this
bill
seeks
to
level
the
playing
field
and
make
sure
that
we're
treating
everyone
equal
without
covid
being
a
part
of
that,
we
also
say
going
down
that
terminating
the
contract
with
the
person's
health
care
providers.
Another
thing
that
they
don't
want,
cobia
19,
to
be
a
part
of
also
an
insurer
providing
a
the
a
policy
shall
not
do
any
of
the
following.
C
Regarding
the
administration
of
coven
19
provide
financial
or
other
incentives
to
a
participating
health
care
provider
based
on
attending
a
certain
immunization
administration
for
cova
19.
So,
basically,
no
kickbacks
there
impose
financial
or
other
penalties
for
participating,
a
a
healthcare
provider
who
does
not
attain
a
certain
immunization
administration
rate
for
coven
19.
So
we
can't
penalize
our
health
care
providers
and
then
it
shall
not
be
used
as
a
factor
in
the
rating
of
a
group
or
individual
policy
contract
or
plan
for
health
insurance
in
the
state.
A
C
A
D
I'm
trying
to
understand
so
if
we
go
to
page
three
and
we
go
up
to
line
one
and
it
says,
increase
the
premiums
four
and
the
question
I
have
here,
senators,
this
deals
with
both
groups
and
individual
health
care
policies
is,
that's
is
does
that
line
in
increased
premiums
for
does
that
include
both
I'm
assuming
groups?
Yes,.
F
E
D
Question
I
have
under
so
we
have
a
insurance
company,
they're
running
premiums
based
on
action
and
they
get
estimates
of
what
it's
going
to
cost
so
if
they
run
through
there
and
they
say
well,
if
you
are
non-vaccinating,
you
have
a
higher
probability,
actually
you're
going
to
incur
more
cost
per
health.
Let's
assume
that's
true,
it
may
not
be
true.
Let's
just
assume
that,
then,
if
you
were
in
a
group
plan,
it
would
not
allow
that
insurer
to
raise
that
premium
to
the
group.
D
That's
correct
and
my
concern
is:
why
would
those
other
members
within
vaccines
then,
because
their
premiums
are
going
to
can't
go
off?
Are
they
going
to
lose
their
health
insurance?
What
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
is
why
we
would
have
one
group
subsidize
another
decision
that
they've
made
that's
not
coerced
or
any
other,
and
then
why
would?
Why
would
those
people
that
have
got
vaccinated
yet
the
cost
of
health
care
is
going
up
for
this
within
the
government
now
I
would
agree
with
this
as
an
individual
that
I'm
more
inclined
to
support
that.
C
Mr
chairman,
senator
hicks,
that's
what
we're
saying
is.
No
one
can
drive
up
the
health
care
costs
they
have
to
remain
stable,
regardless
of
whether
it's
you
can't
rate
on
coven
19
is
what
you're
saying,
because,
basically,
what
you're
saying
you're
putting
everyone
on
an
equal
playing
field,
we're
saying
you
cannot
rate
up
for
vaccination
status.
Vaccination
status
on
the
next
on
page
five,
where
it
is
identified
in
the
definitions,
is
whether
you're,
vaccinated
or
non-vaccinated
we're.
Just
saying
you
cannot
take
cover
19
into
consideration
when
you
are
making
this
decision.
A
So
which
which
brings
us
it's
it's
kind
of,
I
think,
begs
two
questions.
Senator
stein
asked
first,
one
is
I
mean
it's
one
thing
to
say:
you
can't
raise
a
premium
on
the
groove
or
even
that
you
can't
raise
the
premium
on
the
individual.
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
within
statutory
authority
to
do
that.
A
I
don't
know
exactly
how
that
works
going
forward,
because
there's
some
existing
contracts
are
in
effect
and
but
anyway,
at
some
point
that
that
becomes,
I
think
that
becomes
effect.
I
think
the
state
has
authority
to
do
that,
but
I
think
it,
but
what's
going
to
happen,
is
whether
the
costs
are
lower
or
higher,
whether
it's
vaccinated
run
vaccine,
whether
costs
are
or
higher
their
spread.
I
mean
the
insurance
company
has
to
spread
those
across
the
pool,
and
so
what
you're
saying
is
you
can't?
A
You
can't
do
that
to
this
group
or
this
individual,
but
ultimately,
that
factor
has
to
go
back
into
the
actuarial
nature
of
insurance.
They've
got
to
factor
that
cost,
whether
it's
an
increased
cost
for
a
lower
cost.
That
has
to
be
reflected
across
premiums
in
some
in
some
fashion,
because
that's
that's
what
insurance
is
it's
a
pooling
of
risk
and
then
those
people
pay
off.
A
So
I'm
just
I'm,
you
know,
but
I
guess
that's
so
I
I
mean
I
mean
that's
the
effect
and
that's
generally,
why
I
think
in
my
recollection
I
think
wyoming
has
got
four
of
these.
This,
I
think,
maybe
the
fifth
one
where
we
say
all
right.
Insurance
companies
shall
provide
this
coverage
or
not
provide
that
coverage.
C
C
Obviously,
there
will
be
ramifications
from
going
to
the
hospital
and
there
will
be
something
that
they
they
code
in
under
because
they
have
their
specific
codes
and
all
of
that,
however,
to
just
discriminate
regarding
covid19
implications,
cory
can
just
see
it
coming
down
the
pike
to
where,
regardless
of
which
it
is
one
or
the
other,
may
have
a
detrimental
effect,
and
then
people
may
not
be
able
to
receive
coverage
or
go
forward
with
a
company
and
they
might
be
able
to
discriminate
with
against
you
on
one
or
the
other,
because
if
it
is
found
to
have
ramifications
going
forward
the
vaccination
in
years
to
come,
then
we
might
have
the
same
thing
going
that
way.
C
A
But
the
yes,
so
I
so.
How
does
that
so
so,
and
I
I
guess
I
I'm
not-
I'm
certainly
no
insurance
lawyer
and
probably
more
ignorant
of
that
insurance
than
a
lot
of
people,
but
when
they
have
that
grief,
ultimately
that
the
insurer,
like,
I
said,
has
to
spread
that
across
the
system.
So
what
that
means
is,
I
guess
they
can't
the
way
you
see.
That
is
that.
A
C
A
A
I'm
just
you
know,
because
I
and
I
don't
know
if
like
when
you
get
into
the
federal
federal
marketplace
and
stuff,
I
don't
know
that.
I
think
you
get
insurance,
but
I
don't
know
that
those
guys
and
how
I
don't
know
that
those
insurers
are
they
required
to
be
in
the
state
or
they
just
have
like
a
surplus
line
thing
where
they
have
to
just
show
that
they're
credit
worthy
kind
of
a
thing
may.
C
A
I
just
I
I
don't
know
how
the
group
works,
but
so,
when
he
does,
that
I
mean
maybe
have
I
don't
know
how
many
people
I
just
I
just
don't
know
how
that
works
with
in
that
situation
and
the
other
situation
that
it
brings
to
mind,
though,
is
also
the
state
insurance,
the
state
insurance
account.
And
so
how
does
it
work
in
that?
G
D
D
With
some
of
the
respondents,
that's
not
the
way
I
read
this,
so
I
think
you
you
accomplish
that
they
can't
reject.
They
can't
deny
it
they
can't
limit,
they
can't
cancel
them.
They
can't
refuse
to
renew
based
on
your
vaccination
status.
You
just
can't
do
that.
Right,
increase
the
premiums
for
and
it's
it's
it's
the
increasing
the
premium
if
the
actual
cost
of
the
insurance
and
the
pool
goes
up
or
the
individuals.
D
We
say,
but
you
can't
drop
them
because
the
premiums,
I
think
we
boxed
insurers
in
the
point
where
I'm
not
so
sure
that
if
we
got
to
it,
we
may
not
I'm
just
looking
out
as
a
potential
hypothetic.
I
agree
with
the
rejected
my
and
cancel
refuse
to
renew
limit
the
amount.
You
know
if
you're
gonna
offer
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
D
D
A
A
A
You
know
it
just
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
tie
back
to
the
cost
of
care
in
the
end
anyway,
right
I
mean
we
have
those
guys
look
at
that
natural
and
we
funded
it.
We
don't
fund
it.
We
look
at
that.
We
look
at
the
the
employee
benefit
account
and
we
decide
if
it's
too
low
or
too
high,
and
so
I
mean
so
somehow
we
have
to
be
able
to
to
create
an
exception
that
allows
you
know
you
know
or-
and
I
think
there's
some
I
think
different
counties
that
are
self-employed.
A
I
think
there's
a
and
there's
might
be
a
large
employer
to
their
self-employed
out
there
and
they
don't
have
a
choice
but
to
reallocate
that
cost,
but
and
and
so
they
so
we
just
got
to
figure
out
a
way
to
let
that
happen
and
and
maybe
what
it
is,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
just
right
now.
Maybe
it's
anyway
we'll
have
to
figure
that
out.
A
C
A
J
A
A
A
So
right
now
I
mean
I,
I
know
people
that
will
that
will
you
know
they'll
they'll
say
if
you
go
get
a
flu
shot,
I'll
pay
for
it,
and
so
is
that
is
that
the
type
of
incentive
that
you're
seeking
to
stop
or
is
it
just
if
it's
just
you
say,
listen
I'll!
Give
you
I'll
give
all
right
all
right!
Walgreens
I'll
give
you
about
I'll,
give
you
a
five
dollar
bound
on
every
every
copa,
vaccination
that
you
do
or
what
is
that?
How
does
that
work?
Mr.
C
D
Yeah,
it's
not
coerced,
it's
just
one
of
those
things
that
if
you
want
to
take
the
incentive,
you
can
exercise
your
free
god-given
liberties
as
a
new
citizen
in
the
united
states
of
america
and
the
state
of
wyoming
to
take
that
incentive,
and
so
I,
for
me
personally,
this
is
goes
a
little
bit
too
far
from
saying
that
you
can't
provide
this.
It
doesn't
say
you
have
to
mandate
it
or
anything.
It's
voluntary
yeah.
It
is
strictly
voluntary.
C
A
I
have
a
good
friend
of
mine
and
he
worked
it's
a
it's
a
doctor's
office
and
they
wanted
their
people
to
get
vaccinated,
but
they
didn't
want
to
make
them.
So
if,
if
you
got
vaccinated
would
pay
for
the
vaccination
and
then
they
would
they
pay
for
the
vaccinations
you
get
it
you
get
you
get
the
day
off.
A
You
go,
get
the
vaccination.
You
get
the
next
day
off
with
pay.
Just
in
case
you
had
a
case
in
case
you
had
a
reaction
like
someone
on
this
panel
did
when
you
got
a
vaccination
and
then
you
got
a
they
gave
them.
I
think
a
25
gift
certificate,
and
so
she
grabbed
her.
She
grabbed
her
husband
and
said
we're
going
directly
here,
because
I
want
my
50
kiss.
J
J
Yeah,
in
other
words
they're,
so
they
are.
The
initial
talk
was
that
cms,
which
is
administered
by
insurance
companies,
that
the
regulation
might
just
say,
get
100
or
withholding
your
medicare
medicaid.
J
Now
there's
talk
that
it
might
be
well,
we
might
give
if
you
the
chain,
attain
a
certain
level,
we'll
give
you
a
few
more
dollars
and
if
you're
below
that
level,
we'll
start
penalizing
you
in
an
increasing
degree,
so
you're
gonna
take
from
the
hospitals
that
don't
achieve
and
give
to
the
hospitals
that
do
achieve,
and
I
was
looking
at
just
the
instructions
to
federal
contractors.
That
just
said
any
state
law
to
the
contrary
is
our
position?
Is
the
supremacy
clause
trumps
that
and
you're
not
to
comply
with
any
contrary
state
law?
J
J
C
Well,
I
was
trying
to
protect
the
hospital
by
not
allowing
the
insurance
to
impose
a
financial
penalty
on
them.
A
So
going
back
to
that
question,
senator
linsky
would
cms,
I
don't
think
cms
cms
is
long
insurer.
So
I
don't
think
this
doesn't
affect
cnn.
This
doesn't
affect
even
I
mean
the
insurer.
Just
has
a
private
contract
to
administer
administer
cms,
but
this
but
they're
but
they're
not
really
even
sure,
because
they're,
in
that
case,
acting
as
a
cms.
J
C
A
So
I
guess
I
guess,
if
you
think
about
it,
I
guess
the
way
that
could
happen
is
so
you're
you're
an
in-group
you're,
an
inter-participating
provider,
and
you
can't
say
the
insurance.
You
can't
say
to
them
all
right,
all
right,
dr
x,
you
know
your
rate
if,
unless,
unless
you're
employees,
unless
you're
a
you
know,
I
should
see
75
vaccination
rate
among
your
employees,
we're
not
we're
no
longer
going
to
honor
our
contract
rate,
and
now
your
contract
rate
is
instead
of
a
hundred
dollars.
Now
it's
150.
C
It'd
be
a
penalty,
and
the
thought
was
to
try
to
protect
them
from
that.
So,
okay,
all
right
and
then
the
next
is
e.
C
That
is
not
claims,
so,
in
other
words,
if
you
walk
in
and
you're,
if
you
have,
if
your
company
chooses
not
to
require
vaccinations
which
this
bill
will
address
further
on
too,
they
can't
just
rate
you
up
for
just
that
that
doesn't
exclude
them
for
your
rate,
history
and
all
of
the
other
actuarials
that
they
run
or
do
for
your
businesses.
Normally
so
I
mean
every
year,
there's
a
renewal
based
on
your
usage
of
your
plan
and
you
may
get
a
rate
up
of
50.
C
K
C
C
C
C
What
a
vaccination
is:
covid,
19
vaccination,
any
vaccine,
that's
marketed
to
prevent
covid19
that
is
marketed
to
diminish
or
decrease
symptoms
of
covid19
and
then
covet
19
vaccination
status
means
evidence
of
whether
a
person
has
received
one
or
more
doses
of
the
covid19
vaccine
in
talking
with
staff.
One
of
the
questions
I
had
there
is
does
this
cover
both?
C
Well,
I
mean
all
of
us:
are
either
one
or
the
other
we're
either
vaccinated
or
not
so
it
includes
both
of
those
statuses.
It
doesn't
differentiate
in
any
way
we're
not
protecting
one
pers
one
side
of
the
issue
and
not
the
other.
So
then
we
have
our
definition
of
health
care
of
and
then
a
public
accommodation.
C
D
K
C
C
H
H
That's
on
page
five
line
18
as
we
get
into
so
now,
we're
leaving
healthcare
and
we're
getting
into
public
accommodations
and
on
to
page
six.
You
know.
So,
basically
what
you
were
saying
here
is
and
if
I'm
a
motel
owner
and
if
I
is
operating
my
business,
I
determine
that
I
want
to
have
people
show
me
that
they
have
a
vaccination
record.
They
stay
in
my
motel,
it's
illegal
now
with
this
bad
boy,
right
correct!
I
H
C
C
I
C
Also,
mr
chairman,
I
would
just
add
to
that
I
mean
we
as
business
owners.
We
can't
say,
show
me
your
aids
passport
show
me
that
you
don't
have
aids
to
come
into.
My
facility
show
me
that
you
don't
have
hepatitis
c.
Show
me
that
you
don't
have
yeah
yeah.
All
of
those
things
I
mean
where.
Where
do
we
draw
the
line
so
we're
drawing
a
line.
C
So,
basically,
you
know
we're
just
saying
you
can't
re,
refuse
or
deny
a
person's
services
goods
advantages,
privileges
that
are
public
in
nature,
and
then
this
is
on
line
10.
This
is
something
that
the
chairman
I
and
I
have
been
talking
about:
ask
a
person
or
inquire
to
a
person's
coven
19
vaccination
status
and
or
require
an
immunity
passport
in
order
for
the
person
to
access
services.
C
Can
an
employer
re
require
that
are
we
affecting
their
freedom
of
speech,
and
I
did
pass
out
the
pre-employment
inquiries
and
medical
questions
and
examinations
under
the
ada
and
that's
found
in
29
cfr
1630.14
under
medical
examinations
and
inquiries
an
employer
can
ask.
Can
you
pick
up
a
box?
That's
50
pounds.
C
A
But
this
is,
this
is
a
pretty
information
and
public
accommodation
is
not
about
employment.
It's
about
public
patronage
and
what
you
can
or
can't
do
with
someone
that
that
comes
in
and
I
and
I
just
don't
know
I
mean
if
it's
employment,
I
get
that
it's
an
employment
practice.
I
you
know
it
just
seems
in
the
back.
You
know
I
go
back
to
to
what
was
it
the
trespass
bill
yeah?
A
Well,
I
mean
you
come
back
in
and
I
and
I
just
free
speech
this
free
speech.
You
mean
you're,
asking
a
person,
it's
not
it's
not
related
to
employment.
So
you're,
not
it's
not
enough.
It's
not
saying
it's
the
conditional
employment.
It's
a
condition
of
you
know
it's.
It's
a
different
version
of
no
shirt,
no
shoes,
no
service,
and
so
I
mean
you
know.
I
think
I
think
I
think
you
can
make
it.
I
think,
as
a
practical
matter,
you
can
make
it
legal
to
take
any
action.
C
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
that's
I
mean
because
that's
what
the
public
accommodation
isn't
about
employment,
it's
about
serving
the
public.
You
know,
that's
you
go
back
to
remember
back
to
our
discussions
about
you
know
we
were
doing
this
a
few
years
ago,
whether
or
not
you
know
sexual
orientation
or
sexual
or
sex
identity
was
you
know
that
was
going
to
be
a
basis.
It
was
gonna,
be
illegal
or
not
to
receive
service.
Based
on
that,
that's
that's!
What
we're
talking
about
here!
A
You're,
not
talking
about
employment,
you're,
talking
about
you're
talking
about
roman,
and
I
there
I
think,
but
they're,
just
there's
something
that
just
sticks
on
my
mind
that
I
read
recently
about
something
about
a
part
of
a
law
that
was
struck
down,
because
simply
asking
that
simply
asking
something
is:
is
an
infringement
on
freedom
of
speech?
Well,.
C
A
C
Well,
it
was
how
our
attorneys
drafted
it,
and
so
I
don't
claim
to
be
an
attorney
and
or
have
those
skills,
but
I've
done
my
best
to
work
on
this
and
get
it
to
where
we
have
something
to
work
with
here.
I
think
he
accomplished
it.
D
C
H
C
All
right,
then,
it
just
provides
for
the
violation,
so
it's
the
six
month
shall
not
exceed
six
months
or
750
or
both,
and
it
allows
an
e
for
civil
penalties,
civil
cause
of
action.
So
those
are
the
two
enforcement
mechanisms.
D
C
D
K
A
C
C
A
C
C
So
the
rest
is
just
amending
existing
statutes
performing
so
title
one
code
of
civil
procedures,
chapter
one
that
was
the
business
liability
that
we
passed
last
section,
and
so
it's
just
putting
this
in
there
to
exempt
that
part
portion
of
liability.
C
Basically,
they
can't
discriminate,
discriminate
based
on
vaccination
status,
title
21,
education,
chapter
4
pupils
just
making
the
same
conforming
amendment
there
chapter
or
title
27,
labor
and
employment
chapter
11
saying
you
can't
discriminate
there
title
35
health
and
safety
chapter
4
communicable
diseases,
inserting
it
there
under
treatment
and
immunity
from
liability.
A
Right
so
as
I
understand
it,
senator
simon,
so
what
we've
got
in
in
syria
in
another
series
here,
starting
on
page
seven,
we
have
a
series
of
most
have
to
do
with
immunizations
and,
as
I
read
this,
I
understood
it
that
it
was
simply
the
only
the
only
prohibition
is
on
covet
19
vaccinations,
so
every
every
conforming
entity,
the
only
ex
the
only
exception
from
the
mandatory
immunization,
is
specifically
covered.
19
vaccinations
we're
not
inadvertently
no.
C
H
A
A
A
A
Be
you
know
it
could
be
the
synagogue
it
could
be
whatever
it
might
be,
running
the
school
on
the
side
as
a
private
school,
and
and
is
it
your
intent
that
that
would
be
broad
enough
that
we
would
also
say
sorry.
You
can't
require.
A
Can
and
that's
that's
that
which
is
the
whole
the
whole
issue
about
placement
and
the
health
care
statutes
is,
I
think,
because
it's
in
the
healthcare
statutes,
I
think
it
may
be,
maybe
does
if
it
was
if
it
captures
private
schools
and
those
types
of
private
functions
and
and
and
but
if
it
was
in
the
public
accommodation
area,
I
don't
think
it
would,
but,
but
that's
so
we
need
to
we.
Can
we
can
wrestle
with
that
and
we
can.
A
C
A
A
C
A
A
C
G
Good
afternoon,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
heather
roday
and
I'm
from
blue
cross
blue
shield
of
wyoming.
So
hopefully
that
might
help
with
some
of
the
questions
that
we
might
have.
I
think,
speaking
to
the
insurer
part
of
this
legislation,
I
guess
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
point
out
is
there.
G
As
the
discussion
has
pointed
out,
there
isn't
a
great
definition
of
who
an
insurer
is
right,
so
we
have
medicare.
We
have
medicaid
that
are
all
federal
and
and
those
laws.
You
know
those
entities
make
their
own
rules,
but
then,
as
we've
talked
about
the
state
plan,
we've
also
talked
about
the
the
group
plans
right.
So,
in
the
cases
of
when
a
group
plan
hires
an
insurer
to
process
the
claims,
then
it's
the
group,
that's
actually
making
the
decisions
about
their
plan,
we're
processing
them.
G
K
A
Can
just
put
in
for
a
second,
for
example,
natural
county.
The
term
county
itself
is
as
a
self-insured
plan,
but
blue
cross
blue
shield
is
the
administrator
of
the
plan.
A
A
That
says,
but
I
know
that
it's
a
plan
and
I
what
they
do
is
they
sell
they
self-insure
they
do
they
do
policy
on
that
every
year
they
set
that
and
blue
cross
blue
shield
just
insures
the
plan.
So
excuse
me
it
just
administers
the
plan.
So
in
that
instance,
that
goes
back
to
our
discussion
about
cms
blue
cross.
Blue
shield
is
not
the
insurer
of
that
plan.
A
They're
simply
the
administrator,
the
natrona
county
is
self-insured,
correct,
mr
chairman,
and
so
when
you
and
that
which
kind
of
gets
back
again,
it's
just
a
mini
version
of
the
state
discussion.
Petrona
county's
got
to
do
whatever
it's
going
to
do
to
keep
this
plant
solvent.
That's
not
that
so
you
can't
that
prohibition
is
not
on
blue
cross
blue
shield.
With
respect
to
that
point,
they're
simply
the
administrator.
G
Mr
chairman,
that's
correct,
okay,
and
then
I
I
think
that,
just
generally
speaking,
we
don't
have
processes
in
place
to
do
any
of
what
that
we're.
We're
prohibiting
right,
like
you
know,
in
we're
not
allowed
to
discriminate
based
on
vaccination
status.
So
this
isn't
something
that
we
could
do
really
today,
but
there
are
unintended
consequences.
Potentially
so
we've
talked
about
some
of
them.
G
We
do
have
federal
implications,
and
so,
if
the,
if
the
administration
comes
through
and
says
you
have
to
administer
the
marketplace
in
a
certain
way,
that
would
then
conflict
with
some
of
these
rules.
That
then
puts
us
in
a
in
a
bind,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
pr
that
has
to
do
with.
I,
I
think
our
greatest
concerns
about
the
provisions
in
this
part
of
the
bill.
A
C
A
A
So
let's
go
back
and
let's,
let's
go
back
on
stage
staging
one
page
one
and
let's
kind
of
recreate
this
and
okay
and
allow
you
to
get
some
notes.
And
then
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
we'll.
Let
you
go
up
and
chat
with
staff
for
a
minute
and
come
back
and
tell
us
whether
we
should
just
recess
for
an
hour
or
an
hour
and
a
half
or
something
and
come
back
or
whether
we
should
we
could
recess
until
7,
30
ish.
C
A
All
right,
so,
let's
go
to
page
one.
Was
there
any
any
other
any
as
we
go
back
through
page
one?
Are
there
any
amendments
on
page
one
about
page
two,
and
so
one
of
the
one
of
the
issues
on
page
two
is
I
I
think
that
we,
I
think
one
of
the
questions
is
is:
is
there?
Is
there
some
language?
Is
there
something
in
the
stat
just
a
question
for
staff
senator
steinmetz
and
that
is
who's
who's,
an
insurer?
A
D
A
Account,
but
it's
not
the
only
one
I
mean
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
cna
still
does
estate
plan,
but
seeing
he's
still
the
state
plan.
Do
you
know,
mr
chairman
cigna?
Thank
you
correct
me.
Sigma
does
a
state
plan,
but
I
can't
imagine,
but
what's
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
pull
in
somebody's
administering
this
when
it's
not
you
know,
even
if
they,
if
they're
unsure
in
other
instances,
they're
not
an
insurer
in
instances
where
they're
only
as
an
administrator.
H
D
H
A
Want
to
go
right
there,
okay,
and
so
my
thought
on
that
is.
Maybe
what
you
do.
Is
you
leave
that
language
alone
and
then
down
below
either
with
the
roman
net?
Or
maybe
it's
just
finish
the
paragraph?
If
there's
not
a
second
that
you
know
that
the
increasing
you
know
the
the
ability
to
increase
premiums
is
limited
only
to
okay,
either
yeah.
That
would
work
right
to
the
group
or
on
the
against
the
individual
policyholder.
A
C
A
Want
to
create
an
exception,
or
we
want
to
create
an
exception
for
for
self.
We
want
to
create
an
inception
for
self-insured
or
other,
where
other
plans
where
the
the
group
is
the
same
as
the
pool
as
the
rule
of
insurers.
D
A
So,
but
you
come
down
to
that,
ultimately,
when
you
go
to
that,
when
you
go
to
the
the
only
reason
you
raise
premiums
is
to
cover
the
costs
to
cover
the
costs
right.
So
the
fact
that
the
fact
that
you
have
a
status
either
vaccinated
or
not
vaccinated
may
end
up,
resulting
in
the
actuary
saying
dude
you've
got
some
you've
got
to
start
covering
these,
because
we
have
you
know:
here's
your
cement
here,
you
know
here's
the
long-term
ramifications
of
coba.
We
have.
A
A
You
know
carries,
and
so
you
know
yeah
I
mean,
but
you
know
you
have
those
things
either
the
fact
that
just
the
age
factor
that
you
have
in
your
potentially
effects
affects
your
pool
and
and
the
actuarial
saying
all
right
in
order
to
cover
this
we've
got
to
have.
Our
premiums
have
to
be
asked.
C
Mr
chairman,
I
think
you
bring
up
the
point
that
we're
making
right
now
is
we
don't
know
so
for
them
to
come
in
and
rate
it
right
now.
Based
on
that
would
be
premature,
I
mean
we
have
years
of
what
smoking
and
drinking
and
agent
orange
and
all
these
things
do
to
you.
But
we
don't
know
what
this
disease
or
the
vaccination
does
yet
so
for
them
to
do
that.
A
I
just
don't
what
I
don't
want.
Is
you
know
as
an
appropriator
sit
down
there
and
and
in
the
budget
session
it
came
back.
Sorry,
you
can't.
You
can't
change
your
you
can't
you
know
you
they,
the
agi,
you
have
to
you,
can't
you
can't
pass
that
right
on
to
the
employer
state
you
just
have
to
just
have
to
now
fund
the
the
reserve
account
so
that
we
make
sure
we
have
enough
money
to
cover
that
I
mean
I,
you
know
I
when
I
had
covered
last
year.
A
I
reapplied
for
some
life
insurance
this
year
and
I
got.
I
didn't,
get
a
preferred
break
back.
The
fact
that
I
don't
smoke,
don't
drink
exercise
lost
a
bunch
of
weight
all
that
stuff
on
purpose.
You
know
I
ended
up
with
the
higher
rate
and
that's
the
one.
The
only
thing
that
was
different
was
I
had
covered
and
I
hadn't
killed
before
so
they're
already
they're.
You
know
the
insurers
are
already
taking
this
into
consideration.
The
covet
is
already
a
factor
that
they're
looking
at
and
saying
as
an
actuary.
A
C
A
No,
I
don't
necessarily
have
a
paragraph.
I
just
think
you
just
have
you
know,
and
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
saying
you
can't
you
can't
enforce
this
on
a
single
on
a
single
group.
I'm
just
looking
I'm
you
know
I'll
say
go
back
to
my
original
point,
which
is
you
have
to
be
able
to
spread
the
cost,
the
actual
cost
across
the
pool,
and
sometimes
that's
the
group.
Sometimes
the
pool
is
the
group,
and
sometimes
it's
not.
C
A
A
C
A
A
And
then
and
then
we're
gonna
strike
roman
at
one
down
there.
Mister.
H
A
Yeah
so
roman
and
I
and
then
they'll
and
then
we'll
just
have
to
they'll
they'll
smooth
it
they'll
smooth
that
up,
because
we
don't
need
the
roman
8
anymore.
That's
just
a
technical
correction.
There's
anything
else.
On
page
three
or
page
four.
A
And
then
I
didn't,
I
didn't
have
anything
else
on
on
mr
chairman,.