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A
A
Today
is
wednesday.
The
april
the
13th.
The
time
is
six
o'clock.
The
time
set
for
this
public
hearing.
All
three
commissioners
are
present.
Madam
clerk,
are
there
changes
to
the
agenda.
A
There
are
no
changes
to
the
agenda,
so
we'll
open
this.
With
the
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
on
application.
Number
two:
zero:
two
one:
zero
three
three
3172
spr
kazzakoff
timberland-
is
that
correct.
A
Okay,
yes,
okay,
we'll
hear
from
staff
and
then
we'll
hear
hear
from
from
testimony
from
the
app.
D
D
D
So
what
they
are
proposing
for
their
subdivision
is
the
first
two
lots
will
have
two
and
a
half
acres
in
compliance
with
the
rsw
and
the
other
buildable
lot
will
have
9.32
acres
in
the
r1
district.
The
private
road
does
contain
1.06
acres,
the
applicant
and
owner.
These
are
some
of
the
conditions
of
approval.
D
They
shall
submit
approval
from
boise
fire
district
prior
to
the
final
plot.
The
private
road
shall
be
inspected
and
approved
by
the
county.
Engineer
they
will
have
to
go
through
the
ada
county
street
naming
committee
to
approve
the
street
name
and
they
must
comply
with
ada
county
highway
district
requirements.
D
D
They
will
have
to
do
some
testing
and
they
will
have
to
have
a
permit
from
idaho
department
of
water
resources,
they're
the
jurisdiction
that
has
control
over
wells
and
then
central
district
health
did
submit
a
written
comment.
They
are
going
to
require
test
holes,
potential,
groundwater
monitoring
and
full
engineer
report
for
the
septic
systems.
A
All
right
all
right
well,
thank
you.
Does
the
applicant
wish
to
make
a
comment.
F
Pronunciation,
you
can
call
me
tim,
okay,
tim
bye,
timurland
kazakh
owner
of
that
property.
Okay,
like
they
anna
say,
we
just
want
to
split
and
build
a
couple
houses
for
me
and
my
kids,
I'm
already
have
a
permit
for
for
well
from
the
idaho
water
resource,
and
I
did
talk
to
the
central
health
district
about
the
septic.
The
same
thing.
This
should
be
any
problem
like
like
they,
and
I
say
I
just
have
to
dig
a
test
hole,
they're,
going
to
see
the
soil
and
engineer
the
septic
system.
F
Well,
we
just
guesstimate,
probably
about
270
300..
We
already
have
a
well
right
now
in
the
existing
house.
It's
a
196..
The
past
november
was
not
bad,
but
the
previous
november.
We
already
was
a
no,
I
would
say
end
of
october.
It
was
a
little
bit
dry,
but
the
house
on
on
the
city.
We
use
a
well
for
the
irrigation
yeah.
A
A
E
So
you
are
in
a
nitrate
what
they
call
a
nitrate
priority
area,
and
so,
if
you
do
have
high
levels,
you're
finding
you
have
high
levels
of
nitrates,
you
can
go
just
get
a
reverse
osmosis
they're
a
couple
hundred
dollars
and
put
them
on
your
taps
for
your
drinking
water.
So
it's
fairly
inexpensive,
but
you
might
want
it.
It's
up
to
you
to
have
that
water
checked
once
a
year
and
you
can
just
take
it
down
to
the
the
lab.
There's
a
couple
of
labs
in
town.
I'm.
E
A
All
right,
any
other
questions
from
the
commission
good.
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
Are
there?
Is
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
offer
testimony
on
this
on
this
application
either
for
or
against?
A
E
Yes,
mr
chair,
I'm
looking
at
the
the
findings
and
facts
and
conclusions
of
law
contained
in
the
report
today
and
with
the
testimony
that
we
heard
I'm
satisfied
that
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
move
to
approve
this
application.
And
again
it's
2021-03-172-1.
E
And
that's
based
again
on
the
conclusions
of
fact,
findings
today
and
move
to
approve
it.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
a
second
to
that
motion
I'll?
Second,
that
all
right,
it's
been
moving
a
second
to
accept
the
recommendations
of
our
staff
and
to
approve
this
application.
All
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
aye
aye
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Tim.
C
A
G
Cu-Msp
otd
is
a
conditional
use,
a
master
site
plan
for
an
outdoor.
Only
self-service
storage
facility
also
variants
to
allow
for
the
storage
facility
to
exceed
the
maximum
site
coverage
of
20
and
for
the
boundary
of
the
facility
to
be
within
100
feet
of
a
residential
property
line
and
also
a
one-time
division.
G
G
The
property
is
located
in
meridian's
area
of
city
impact
is
approximately
one
mile
from
the
city
limits
of
marine,
as
shown
on
the
map,
the
city
of
marines
state
and
exhibit
number
32
that
they
don't
have
any
concerns
with
the
proposed
use,
including
the
requested
variants.
As
long
as
it
is
surface
storage
only
and
not
units
and
buildings,
and
that
there
is
a
sunset
clause
for
the
use
to
terminate.
G
The
applicant
has
applied
for
a
one-time
division
to
divide
approximately
13.27
acres
into
a
five
acre
parcel,
which
would
be
the
parcel
to
the
south,
which
is
denoted
as
parcel
number
one,
and
then
a
8.27
acre
parcel
to
the
north,
which
is
denoted
as
parcel
2.
G
with
parcel
number
1.
There's
only
193.9
feet
of
frontage
depicted
for
that
parcel,
therefore,
as
conditioned
the
applicant,
will
need
to
revise
the
site
plan
for
the
one-time
division
so
that
both
results
and
parcels
have
at
least
250
fiat
street
frontage
onto
star
road,
the
applicant.
In
addition,
the
applicant
has
applied
for
a
conditional
use
master
site
plan
to
operate
an
outdoor,
only
self-service
storage
facility
on
the
five
acre
parcel,
which
would
have
been
that
southern
resultant
parcel.
G
The
property
is
in
marines
impact
area
and
the
future
land
use
map
designates
the
property
as
medium
density
residential,
which
is
primarily
intended
for
single-family
homes
at
densities
of
three
to
eight
dwelling
units
per
acre,
however,
as
municipal
water
and
sewer
water
services
are
not
yet
extended
to
the
area.
The
urban
densities
envisioned
for
within
this
land
use
designation
are
not
possible
at
this
time.
G
G
G
The
applicant
has
stated
in
their
detail
later
that
the
variance
is
needed
to
maximize
the
five
acres
to
allow
for
the
efficient
operation
of
the
facility,
and
also
the
use
of
the
five
acres
enables
the
fire
department
to
have
the
necessary
space
to
turn
around
within
the
facility
in
order
to
grant
a
variance.
Three
findings
need
to
be
made.
The
first
finding
is
the
variance
schneider
grant
writer
special
privilege,
that's
not
otherwise
allowed
in
the
base.
G
The
second
finding
is
the
variance
release,
and
I
do
hardship
due
to
characteristics
of
the
site
and
the
third
finding
is.
The
variance
should
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety
and
welfare
staff.
Funds
at
the
variance
does
not
constitute
a
granting
of
a
special
privilege,
because
an
outdoor
only
storage
facility
isn't
allowed
use
in
the
rural
urban
transition
district
through
a
conditional
use
application.
G
In
addition,
the
facility
is
an
interim
use
until
municipal
water
and
sewer
are
available
to
the
property.
An
approval
of
the
facility
is
only
good
for
five
years.
Staff
finds
that
the
variants
release
an
undue
hardship
due
to
characteristics
of
the
site,
allowing
the
outdoor
only
self-service
storage
facility
to
exceed
the
20
percent
site
coverage
to
utilize.
G
G
Other
agencies
that
respond
to
this
application
express
any
concerns
regarding
the
approval
of
the
project
and
a
key
condition
of
approval
for
this
project
is
that
the
applicant
will
need
to
submit
a
landscape
and
screening
plan
that
complies
with
article
8-4
e
of
a
county
code.
This
will
obviously
screen
the
facility.
G
E
Go
ahead,
so
I
guess
brent.
The
first
question
I
have
is
the
we
have
a
20
site
coverage,
maximum
20
they're,
asking
for
a
hundred
percent.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
yes
and,
and
then
you
stated
they're
asking
for
100
percent
to
cover
all
of
it,
but
then
you're
saying
that
on
number
two,
the
variance
relieves
an
undue
hardship,
do
the
characteristics
of
the
site
because
they
don't
have
enough
turnaround
area
for
a
fire
truck.
G
Mr
chairman,
madam
chair,
so
so
for
the
with
the
self-service
storage
for
slay
outdoor.
Only
it's
the
coverage,
that's
referenced
in
that
specific
use,
standard,
isn't
necessarily
building
coverage
or
lot
coverage,
as
you
typically
have.
So
a
lot
of
coverage
is
typically
when
you
have
a
footprint
of
a
building.
You
know
on
a
property.
E
G
So,
mr
chairman,
the
driver
itself
will
need
to
be
kind
of
an
all-weather
surface,
so
that
would
need
to
be.
You
know,
either
a
pavement
or
a
gravel
that
isn't
going
to
generate
dust
as
people
drive
on
it
and
then
the
individual
spaces,
where
people
would
be
parking
their
boats
rvs,
would
need
to
be
graveled
as
well.
G
A
Would
the
landscaping
be
on
a
berm
or
or
just
at
the
ground
level.
G
Mr
truman,
that
would
be
up
to
the
applicant
to
determine
so
they'll
have
to
submit
a
landscape
plan
that
is
prepared
by
a
licensed
landscape
architect,
and
then
they
will
need
to
submit
that
plan
to
staff,
and
then
staff
will
need
to
review
that
plan
to
make
sure
that
it
complies
with
our
requirements
in
article
8
in
the
landscape
article
to
make
sure
it
meets
all
those
requirements
for
screening.
G
So
it's
up
to
the
landscape
architect
to
determine
kind
of
what
they're
going
to
plant
with
the
landscape
plan.
They
basically
have
to
meet
a
certain
point
in
total,
so
they
have
to
have
a
certain
point:
total
of
landscape
materials
and
or
fences,
and
they
need
to
meet
that
point
toll.
So
that
could
be
through
a
combination
of
a
fence
plus
trees,
grass
turf
each
one
of
those
items
has
a
certain
point
total
and
it's
up
to
the
applicant's
architect,
lansing
architect,
to
design
a
plan
that
meets
that
point.
Total.
A
That's
my
understanding
that
this
is
for
a
five-year
proposal
that
this
this
variance
would
apply
for
five
years
and
is
there
any?
How
do
we
come
up
with
that
with
that
with
that
five-year
term.
G
So,
mr
chairman,
roughly
around,
I
think
it's
around
eight
to
around
eight
years
ago,
an
app
a
citizen
had
proposed
a
zoning
oriented
text
amendment
to
allow
for
this
particular
use
in
the
rut
district,
and
so
during
that
you
know
public
hearing
process
they
had
proposed.
You
know
kind
of
that
to
be
a
five-year
time
period,
similar
to
what
we
have
for
the
contractors
yards.
G
So
when,
when
this
applicant
had
proposed
the
zoning
orange
amendment
roughly
around
eight
years
ago,
the
app
the
applicant's
rep
client
was
looking
to
do.
One
of
these
facilities
and
the
applicant's
client
really
wanted
to
add,
get
some
economic
value
from
their
property
until
the
city.
This
was
kind
of
property
that
was
south
of
maria
until
the
sea
meridian
kind
of
came
to
that
particular
property,
and
so
the
five-year
plan
was.
It
allows
somebody
to
kind
of
utilize
this
land
for
a
little
bit
of
time
until
either.
G
G
Sure,
mr
chairman,
commissioner,
can
I
did
worked.
I
did
ask
brent
moore,
our
regional
and
community
planner
kind
of
if
what
he
knew
in
terms
of
developments
that
are
occurring
within
both
the
sea
of
star
and
both
the
city
of
meridian.
So
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
activity:
that's
occurring
kind
of
north
of
shinden,
boulevard
and
east
of
star
road,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
on
this
map.
G
Here
we
have
star
city
limits,
and
that
is
the
kind
of
river
moor
subdivision
and
that's
a
252
lot,
a
residential
subdivision,
and
then
we
also
have
at
the
corner
of
star
wars,
shinden
boulevard.
I
think
this
would
be
the
north
east
corner.
There
is
a
development
that
is
going
proposed
within
the
city
of
murray
of
star,
which
doesn't
look
like
looks
like
they
maybe
are
in
the
process
of
doing
that,
because
it
doesn't
look
like
the
sea
limits
has
extended.
G
There
is
a,
I
think,
that's
going
to
be
a
197
la
residential
development
with
one
commercial
lot.
So,
basically,
if
you
look
at
the
map,
basically,
the
area
of
impact
line
is
going
to
be
basically
shinden
boulevard.
So
basically
north
eastern
and
boulevard
that'll
be
development,
that'll
be
going
into
the
sea
of
star
and
then
obviously
south
of
shinden
boulevard
will
be
development,
that'll
be
going
within
the
sea
limits
of
meridian
and
then
with
the
meridian
developments.
G
A
The
another
question
that
I
have
is
this
will
be
primarily
for
motor
homes
and
motor
trailers
and
boats
rvs,
like
that,
is
there
any
prohibition
that
would
prohibit
use
of
tractor
trailers?
I
mean
trailers
that
are
behind
big
big
trucks.
G
Mr
chairman,
they
are
serious
so
if
somebody
was
to
have
that,
you
know
obviously
having
tractor
trailers
with
big
trucks
that
would
fall
either
depending
on
on
what
the
trucks
are
being
used
for.
That
would
fall
either
under
a
different
use.
Besides
this
the
outdoor
storage
facility,
it
would
either
fall
under
being
a
contractor's
yard
or
it'd
be
like
a
trucking
facility,
and
so
obviously,
this
approval
of
it
being
a
self-service
storage
facility
would
not
allow
for
those
vehicles
to
be
stored
because
it
wouldn't
meet
the
definition
for
a
self-service
storage
facility.
A
All
right,
so
we
can.
We
can
rest
assured
that
that
the
limitation
for
this
project
will
be
recreational
vehicles
like
boats
and
trailers
and.
E
I
have
one
more
question:
okay,
go
ahead,
so
brett
this
is
going
to
be
a
meridian's
comp
play
on
that
stars.
G
That
is
correct,
so
this
is
a
marine's
impact
area.
So,
basically,
if
everything
north
of
china
boulevard
is
basically
in
stars
impact
area
and
then
south
of
shinden
would
be
a
marine's
impact
area.
Okay,.
B
A
Thank
you.
Does
the
applicant
wish
to
make
a
presentation.
I
H
Here
for
the
applicant
kim
allred
give.
J
H
You
have
10
minutes
perfect,
as
the
the
commission
has
seen.
The
purpose
here
is
to
provide
a
temporary
service,
that's
in
great
demand
in
particular,
because
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
that
go
in
have
seized
dnr's
that
prohibit
the
storing
of
rvs
boats,
things
of
that
nature
and
so
on
a
more
conditional,
temporary
basis.
They
would
be
able
to
use
what
we're
proposing
here
to
store
those
recreational
vehicles,
and
that
would
be
the
sole
purpose
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
H
Certainly,
as
the
the
commission
knows,
this
area
is
growing
very
quickly.
H
We
don't
100
know
when,
for
example,
under
the
comprehensive
plan
of
meridian
services
will
be
there
from
water
sewer
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
based
on
prior
growth
and
just
what
we're
projecting
we
feel
like
we're
likely
going
to
have
about
a
10-year
time
period.
I
recognize
the
fact
that,
certainly
it's
been
proposed
for
five
and
whatever
the
commission
is
willing
to
grant.
H
Certainly,
we
are
grateful
to
accept
that
we
wouldn't
be
objecting
to
having
a
little
longer
say
eight
years
or
if
the
city
of
meridian
does
bring
those
services,
then,
certainly
at
that
time
we
will
then
switch
to
a
develop
a
different
development
use
and,
looking
through
the
proposed
findings
of
fact,
conclusions
and
law
and
order,
we
don't
have
any
objection
to
any
of
the
terms
there
in
terms
of
what
is
required.
H
We
will
make
an
adjustment
to
the
site
plan
based
upon
that
and
get
that
certainly
to
the
staff
here
for
the
for
the
for
the
commission
and
go
from
there.
At
this
point,
I
would
stand
for
any
questions
that
the
commissioners
might
have
all.
E
H
Yes,
mr
chairman,
madam
chair,
certainly
once
that
comes
into
play
and
there
becomes
an
annexation,
certainly
at
that
time
a
decision
can
be
made
into
the
future
in
terms
of
what
would
be
best
for
best
use
for
that
particular
spot.
A
H
If
I
gave
that
impression
that
I
misspoke
I,
I
believe
that
it
is
five,
certainly
at
that
time,
if
we
have
a
situation
where
the
growth
hasn't
reached
there,
we
don't
have
an
annexation,
we'll
be
more
than
happy
to
come
back
and
do
an
extension
for
an
application.
A
H
Mr
chairman,
happily
we
didn't
have
any
issues
with
our
neighbors
they
have.
Mr
allred
has
owned
that
property
for
quite
some
time
has
a
very
good
relationship
out
there.
We
didn't
have
any
opposition,
and
again
I
don't
anticipate
having
any
type
of
you
know,
opposition
and
or
objections
to
what
we're
doing.
In
fact,
it
was
more
the
opposite
where
people
felt
it
would
be
a
good
use
for
this
particular
moment
in
time,
just
because
it's
very
difficult
to
find
in
the
valley
places
for
the
recreational
vehicles
and
people
do
like
that
here.
H
E
A
A
A
So
the
public
hearing
is
closed.
What
is
the
pleasure
of
the
commission.
E
Well,
I'll,
kick
it
off.
You
know.
I
think
that
it's
fine,
for
now
it
fits
within
the
the
use.
It
is
an
urban
rural
urban
transition
district
and
we
know
how
quickly
we're
growing.
E
So
what
I
would
be
inclined
to
do.
If
I
make
a
motion
to
approve
this,
it's
only
going
to
be
temporary
use
up
to
five
years,
but
I
would
want
at
least
I
think,
one
review
by
the
board
by
the
commission.
I
was
thinking
initially
an
annual
review,
but
I
think
that
that
would
be
too
cumbersome
for
the
owner,
so
I
would
suggest
that
we
go
with
an
approval
but
based
on
another
board
review
at
year.
Three.
E
It
every
year
yeah
yeah,
but
I
just
think
because
we're
growing
so
quickly
that
five
years
seems
like
a
long
time,
but
we've
seen
what's
happened
in
five
years
in
this
valley,
so
give
us
an
opportunity
to
weigh,
and
then
things
need
to
change.
J
Well,
mr
jerry
yeah,
and
after
three
years,
if
it's
still
appropriate,
it
can
be
renewed
for
another
three
years
or
another
year.
So
I
think
that's
appropriate
for
the.
E
Just
for
clarity,
mr
chair,
we
would
be
approving
it
for
up
to
five
years
and
we
would
not
be
looking
at
changing
that
at
year.
Three,
we
would
just
be
altering
if
we
needed
more
coverage.
You
know
true
coverage
or
anything
like
that
that
needed
to
happen,
but
I
don't
think
that
year
three
would
we
would
be
altering
that
five
years.
Of
course,
okay.
A
E
You
bet
I
move
to
approve
application.
Number
two:
zero,
two
one:
zero
three,
two,
two
three
v
dash
c:
u
dash
m
s,
p,
dash
o
t
d
based
on
the
findings
of
fact,
conclusions
of
law
contained
in
the
staff
report
and
based
on
our
test,
the
testimony
we
heard
tonight
and
staff's
testimony
and
I'm
going
to
add
a
condition
of
approval,
and
that
will
be
with
the
five-year
temporary
use.
We're
going
to
have
one
additional
board.
A
E
A
Enough
is
there
any
further
discussion
on
that
motion.
Hearing
none
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
all
right,
aye
aye,
aye
motion
carries
thank
you.
A
Okay,
now
we
have
before
us
the
next
item
of
business
application
number
two:
zero:
two
one:
zero:
two:
zero
2
2,
a
david
castro.
This
is
a
an
appeal
of
a
decision
of
the
planning
zoning
commission.
A
I
notice
there's
a
lot
of
people,
that's
interested
in
this,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
as
many
people
as
we
can
have
as
an
opportunity
to
express
your
opinions
and
so
the
way
we
will
have
planned
to
proceed
is
we
will
hear
a
staff
report
first
and
then
we
will
have
allow
the
applicant
and
remember
the
applicant
is
opposed
to
the
recommendation.
The
planning
is
only
commission,
and
so,
if
you
speak
in
favor
of
the
applicant,
that
means
you're
opposed
to
the
planning
and
zoning's
recommendation.
A
If
you
are
opposed
to
the
applicant's
position,
that
means
you
will
support
the
planning
zoning's
recommendation.
I
hope
I'm
clear
on
that
all
right
so
because
it
is
a
little
trouble
a
little
confusing
sometimes
and
how
we
will.
How
we
have
decided
to
proceed
is
the
applicant
will
have
well
we'll
hear
a
staff
report
and
after
the
staff
report
the
applicant
who
is,
mr
castro,
will
have
10
minutes
to
present
his
his
case
and
then
the
the
actually
the
applica.
A
The
the
person
who
made
the
the
application
of
the
planning
zoning
commission
will
we're
going
to
give
them
10
minutes
to
to
reply,
and
then
we
will
take
public
testimony.
So
it's
10
minutes
and
10
minutes
public
testimony
we're
going
to
limit
to
three
minutes,
and
I
want
to
admonish
people
if
you
speak
for
for
three
minutes.
Please
don't
repeat:
what's
already
been
suggested
or
what's
already
been,
a
testimony
has
already
been
given.
In
other
words,
if
you
say
the
dog's
black,
you
don't
need
to
keep
saying
the
dog's
black.
E
Good
mr
chair,
I'd
like
to
kind
of
get
a
lay
of
the
the
land
out
here
a
little
bit.
So
could
we
get
a
show
by
a
show
of
hands
how
many
people
are
here
to
support
the
appeal?
Raise
your
hand,
okay,
all
right!
That
gives
us
an
idea
of
so
what
we
might
want
to
do
is
he
asked
for
who's
against?
Well,
you
could
kind
of
tell.
A
I
A
J
And
then
I
don't
think
you
mentioned
a
five-minute
rebuttal
by.
A
Yes,
and
at
the
close
we
will
give
mr
castro
a
five-minute,
miss
yeah,
dave
castro,
a
five-minute
rebuttal
that
he
can
rebut.
Anything
that's
been
that's
been
said.
Does
that
sound
like
a
fair
approach
to
everybody
here.
A
You're,
mr
castro,
yes,
okay!
Well,
mr
mr
lesson,
would
you
like
to
respond.
E
A
E
A
We
can
do
a
show
of
hands
how
many
of
you
want
to
hear
15
minutes
from
outside,
okay,
okay,
we
can
do
that.
No
problem
and
I
will
adjust
my
clock
here
and
just
so
you
know
there's
three
little
bubbles
there
and,
as
the
light
comes
on
at
the
15
minute
time,
you'll
notice
at
the
14
minute
time
you
will
be
notified
and
then
I
will
ask
you
to
wrap
it
up
at
the
15
minute.
Time
is
that
okay.
J
A
E
A
N
All
right,
thank
you,
chairman
commissioners.
The
item
before
you
was
an
appeal
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission's
approval
of
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
for
a
winery
and
event
center
located
at
5322
north
artemis
lane
the
appellant
is
david
castro,
and
the
original
applicant
is
3.
100
sellers.
N
There
is
lack
of
a
traffic
study
for
proposed
use.
There
will
be
adverse
impacts
on
surrounding
properties.
There's
non-compliance,
data
counter
code
regarding
types
of
events
allowed
for
wineries,
there
was
incomplete
information
provided
to
attendees
at
the
required
neighborhood
meeting
and
the
planning
zoning
commission's
decision
failed
to
include
requirements
for
sound
walls
and
hours
of
operation.
N
Staff
in
its
findings
did
draft
some
responses
to
that
that
you
can
reference
as
you
consider
those
things
we
can
certainly
dive
into
those
as
well.
If
you
have
questions
as
to
some
of
staff's
draft
responses,
but
that
is
again
in
summary
of
the
appellant's
argument
against
the
commission's
decision
so
now
an
overview
of
the
project.
The
subject
property
is
a
10.19
acre,
parcel
zone,
rural
residential
and
located
in
the
base
of
the
eagle
foothills
or
at
the
base
of
eagle
foothills.
N
N
Property
and
surrounding
foothill
properties
are
also
located
within
the
eagle
foothills
american
viticultural
area,
which
I
can
share
a
map
of
that
here
in
a
second
to
kind
of
show
you
where
that
is
so
due
to
the
property's
location,
the
project
was
reviewed
for
conformance
with
ada
county
conference
plan,
as
outlined
in
the
memo
provided
by
community
and
regional
planning.
Planner
stacey
yarrington,
the
associated
land
use
designated
for
the
property
is
rural.
Residential
primary
uses
for
rural
residential
are
single-family
homes
with
secondary
uses
for
farming,
agricultural
and
other
recreational
uses.
N
N
O
E
E
N
E
E
Yeah
right,
okay,
so
yeah!
That's
what
I
want
to
see:
yeah,
okay,
because
what
I'm
looking
for
is.
We
have
a
whole
list
of
folks
that
I've
looked
through
and
I've
looked
at
all
their
addresses
and
gone
through
that,
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
see
if
any
of
these
addresses
were
actually
in
the
ava
area
itself
and
beacon
light
it
looks
like
is
the
border
there
and
then
eagle
road,
okay,
so
some
of
them
on
homer,
okay
and
valentine
okay,.
N
N
Manager
or
chairman
commissioner
kenyon,
I
don't,
I
would
venture
a
guess
that
either
our
applicant,
the
original
applicant
or
I
believe
there
might
be
someone
from
the
idaho
wine
commission
here
as
well.
That
might.
I
N
So
here
is
a
more
close-in
picture
of
the
site
surrounding
properties
of
the
north,
east
and
west
are
all
approximately
10
acres
in
size,
they're,
also
zoned,
rural
residential
and
are
occupied
by
either
residential
or
agricultural
uses.
Properties
of
the
south
on
average
are
on
average
about
five
acres
in
size.
They
are
zoned
rural
urban
transition
and
occupied
by
largely
residential
uses.
N
A
zoom
in
of
kind
of
the
operation
proposed
itself
shown
here
is
the
the
layout
of
the
project,
which
includes
3
840
square
feet.
Existing
dwelling
and
shop
for
winery
operations,
a
1520
square
foot,
deck
for
wine
tastings
and
then
there's
a
proposed
8
000
square
foot,
building
of
which
1
000
square
feet
will
be
used
for
tastings
and
events.
N
While
the
remaining
7000
square
feet
will
be
used
for
office
space
and
wine
production,
the
remainder
of
the
property
will
be
used
to
grow
grapes
currently
about
50
of
the
property
is
in
grapes
or
vines
right
now,
50
yeah,
so
two
to
five
employees
will
typically
be
on
site.
12
employees
would
be
the
maximum
during
certain
times
in
the
growing
season
or
for
the
proposed
two
larger
events.
N
Winemaking
is
proposed.
Seven
days
per
week
from
eight
to
eight
pm
wine
tastings
would
occur.
This
is
according
to
the
detailed
letter
submitted
by
the
original
applicant.
Obviously,
there
were
some
conditions
of
approval
by
pnz
that
kind
of
augmented
these
hours,
but
originally
it
was
proposed.
12
to
5
pm
for
the
tasting
room.
Pnz
did
approve,
8
am
to
8
pm
by
appointment
and
then
the
two
larger
events
would
be
booked
from
8
a.m,
to
10
p.m.
N
The
planning
zoning
commission
included
a
condition
requiring
an
updated
master
site
plan,
be
submitted,
showing
a
50-foot
defensible
space
around
all
habitable
structures
and
five
foot
gravel
shoulders
on
either
side
of
the
proposed
driveway,
which
would
be
if
we
go
back
to
this
site.
This
yellow
here
indicates
where
the
applicant
would
put
a
separate
private
driveway
for
the
winery
operation
versus
making
use
of
that
shared
artemisia
lane.
N
E
Before
we
get
into
that
piece,
I
think
I
asked
earlier
is
this:
have
the
ag
exemption
on
the
property.
N
Yes,
chairman,
commissioner,
it
does
and
learning
about
what
the
exemption
exemption
allows.
Basically,
the
amount
of
a
property
dedicated
to
agricultural
use
can
be
exempted.
There
is
no
minimum
requirement
for
how
much
of
a
property
is
agricultural,
so,
in
this
case,
up
to
50
of
the
property
could
be
could
receive
that
tax
exemption
for
agricultural
uses.
Okay,.
N
I
unfortunately
didn't
get
a
chance
to
speak
to
the
assessor.
Today
I
spoke
to
another
member
of
the
assessor's
office,
but
I
they
didn't
indicate
there
was
because
the
applicant
does
have
the
original
applicant
does
have
that
exemption.
I'm
sure
they
could
explain
that
process
to
you
more,
but
that
is
handled
by
our
assessor's
office
and
I'm
not
certainly
not
the
expert
on
that.
N
So
so,
as
I
mentioned
several
comments,
those
in
favor
support
believe
it
supports
a
local
economy,
preserves
kind
of
the
agricultural
heritage
of
the
area,
promotes
growth
of
the
local
wine
scene
and
offers
the
community
amenity.
Those
opposed
are
concerned
of
noise
traffic.
Overall
safety
of
the
area
is
a
result
of
allowing
this
use
in
and
then
the
potential
precedent
sets
for
commercial
uses
in
the
area.
So
again,
that's
kind
of
a
general
summary
you're
going
to
hear
those
more
specifically
today,
as
people
provide
their
testimony.
N
Well,
chairman,
madam
commissioner,
I
I
think
that
this
is
technically
a
commercial
venture,
because
you
know
it's
not
a
residential
use,
so
we
kind
of
have
you
know,
non-residential
would-be
commercial.
I
mean
it's
a
business
there
to
make
profit
and
that
sort
of
thing,
so
I
think
it
is
a
commercial
use,
but
the
real
residential,
both
the
land
use,
designation
and
the
zoning
district
allow
for
non-residential
uses
by
either
allowed
by
right
or
conditional
use
permits.
So
this
certainly
isn't
a
residential
use.
A
N
Yeah
chairman
there,
you
know
we
do
have
a
section
that
regulates
animals
and
things
like
that.
You
have
to
have
quite
a
few
on
site
in
order
to
run
into
any
trouble
with
ada
county
code.
I
think
it's
300
plus
animal
units.
So
we're
not.
You
know,
there's
no,
no
issue
there.
If
they
wanted
to
have
cows
or
horses
or
things
like
that
pigs,
you
could
have
pigs
yeah
that
that
is
allowed
by
a
by
our
code.
Obviously,
there's
certainly
the
maintenance
of
those
animals
and
not
negatively
impacting
your
neighbors
and
things
like
that.
A
N
Certainly
yeah
farming
and
you
know
animal
husbandry.
All
that
is
certainly
something
that
is
part
of
what
could
happen
in
the
zone
and
it's
just
allowed
by
right
and
planting
doesn't
even
get
a
say
other
than
if
you
have
too
many
animals
on
site
or
you
put
an
egg
structure
in
the
wrong
place
or
you're,
not
maintaining
your
property.
That's
when
we
tend
to.
N
E
Could
you
tell
us,
then,
how
I
know
in
that
application
talks
about
social
hall
by
lodge
there's
like
three
terms
in
here
club
clubhouse
yeah?
So
how
does
this
fit
or
not
fit
in
with
that
code?.
N
Yeah
club
lodge
or
social
hall
is
what
you're
referring
to
in
the
rural
residential
district.
That
is
a
conditionally
allowed
use,
so
they
would
have
to
come
to
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
to
receive
approval
for
that,
but
it
is
allowed
within
the
district.
You
just
have
to
get
approval.
It's
defined.
N
N
So
some
key
conditions
of
approval
placed
on
the
project
by
the
pnz
to
attempt
to
mitigate
impacts
on
neighbors
wineries
typically
can
have
24
promotional
events
of
up
to
50
people.
The
commission
restricted
that
to
22.
in
exchange
for
those
two.
They
allowed
two
larger
events
that
would
exceed
50
people,
but
not
more
than
110,
and
I
think
there
is
some
maybe
interest
in
updating
that
condition
of
approval
to
say,
110
people,
so
no
more
than
110
people
on
site.
N
I
can
do
that
twice
per
year
and
the
applicant
has
to
notify
staff
for
the
director
prior
to
holding
one
of
those
events.
There's
also
hours
of
operations.
Limiting
wine
tastings
from
8
to
8
pm
8
am
to
8
pm
lighting.
There
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
that,
so
some
screening
will
be
required
to
reduce
impacts
on
the
surrounding
properties
and
that
has
to
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
director.
N
All
outdoor
music
and
amplified
sound
systems
are
prohibited,
and
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
asked
to
review
this
project
on
an
annual
basis
or
after
one
year,
basically
to
see
how
it's
performing,
and
that
would
be
after
the
commencement
of
the
use
again,
if
there's
an
interest
to
update
conditions,
the
board
could
ask
that
this
be
brought
before
them
versus
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
since
you're
kind
of
making
the
final
decision
there.
But
those
were
conditions
that
were
placed
on
the
project
again
to
try
to
mitigate
impacts
on
the
on
the
surrounding
properties.
N
So
here
is
one
parking
area
kind
of
in
the
south
east
portion.
How
many
cars
would
would
that
fit?
I
believe
that
is
23..
Let
me
double
check
that
number
for
you,
yeah
23
spaces
in
this
area
here
and
then
up
in
this
area
would
be
13.
N
Now
there
was
a
request
that
artemisia
lane
not
be
used
to
serve
the
winery
and-
and
you
know,
commerci
and
traffic
associated
with
that
use,
so
they
would
have
to
basically
make
a
figure
out
a
way
to
to
access
that
parking
lot
up
there,
west
of
the
home
and
and
shop
area
via.
I
think
this
new
drive
they're
proposing,
obviously
there's
personal
vehicles
for
the
dwelling
and
shop
on
site
that
could
make
use
of
artemisia
lane.
But
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
not
allowing
any
of
the
non-property
owner
home.
J
N
N
Yeah,
so
that's
a
great
question.
The
parking
code
for
ada
county
is
requires
one
per
200
square
feet
for
the
social
hall,
which
included
that
deck
space
and
the
future
1
000
square
foot
space.
That
would
require
13
spaces
and
then
there's
another
requirement
for
the
winery
to
have
one
per
two
employees
or
a
total
of
six.
So
they
that's
only
19
spaces
they're
offering
36.
N
It's
certainly
at
the
discretion
of
the
board
to
say
more
parking
which
should
be
required,
but
there's
events,
there's
yeah,
there's.
Certainly
those
things
can
all.
E
Could
you
walk
us
through
how
who
got
how
did
they
arrive
at
the
110
planning
and
zoning
up
to
110
people
where'd
that
come
from.
N
Yeah
chairman,
commissioner,
that
was
a
lengthy
deliberation
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
There
was
some
discussion
with
the
applicant
as
well
in
terms
of
what
they
anticipated
for
those
two
events
in
terms
of
actual
turnout
and
that's
kind
of
how
we
got
to
110.
N
N
N
E
You
know
on
your
slides:
are
you
going
to
get
to
how
close
the
neighbors
are?
Give
us
an
idea,
picture
yeah.
N
We
can
certainly
look
at.
I
mean
here's,
probably
a
pretty
good
example.
We
have
two
lots
within
bella
vista
that
currently,
I
don't
believe,
have
homes
on
that
and,
if
they're,
if
they
do,
it's
a
relatively
new
building
permit.
So
these
are
unoccupied.
You've
got
a
residence
here
to
the
west,
another
residence
over
here
to
the
west
on
the
east
side
of
bella
vista
lane,
then
I
believe,
there's
a
residence
up
here.
N
You
know
we're
all
gosh
at
least
a
thousand
feet
or
more
from
the
property
boundary
for
those
okay.
Then
it's
on
the
south
side
of
home
road
that
you
have
again
more
of
that
residential
density
on
the
five
acre
lots
and,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
home
pretty
close
to
homer
road
here
directly
across
from
the
site
and
yeah.
All
of
these
are
occupied
and.
E
Okay
and
then
on
the
three
that
are
in
the
actual
ava
area
of
those
three
closest
to
this
site
are
those
three
opposed
or.
N
N
A
Okay,
you
mentioned
that
part
of
the
reason
for
some
opposition
was
a
violation
of
a
private
road
agreement.
N
Which
private
road
is
that
artemisia
lane
is
a
private
road,
and
so
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
applicant
has
been
required
to
create
a
separate
drive
off
of
homer
road.
N
N
But
yes,
there
was
concern
about
again
either
large
vehicles
making
deliveries
or
things
like
that,
using
artemisia
lane
or
if
there
were
folks
enjoying
the
tasting
room
or
attending
an
event
using
artemis,
elaine
as
well,
and
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
did
ask
that
that
be
limited
to
only
the
property
owner
and
the
dwelling
or
people
who
are
residing
in
the
dwelling.
So
so.
N
Yeah
well,
there
was
some
con.
There
was
some
there
wasn't
a
private
road
agreement
found
for
artemis
elaine
at
the
original
staff
report
level,
but
there
is
a
note
on
the
plat
that
it
is
a
a
private
road
and
it
is
shared
between
those
three
I
believe
both
the
applicant,
the
original
applicant
and
the
other
two
property
owners.
If
they
were
here,
they
were
at.
The
last
hearing
can
talk
about
what
what
that
agreement
looks
like
for
artemis
line,
but.
A
The
I
thought
you
said
the
planning
is
on
as
part
of
the
conditions
of
approval
they
needed
to
do
another
access.
N
To
their,
they
do
yeah
so
that
so
there
will
be
an
access.
If
you
can
see
my
mouse
here
chairman,
there
will
be
an
access
on
the
kind
of
the
far
eastern
edge
of
the
property
to
serve
the
parking,
lots
and-
and
you
know
other
winery
related
operations,
so
they.
F
N
Using
the
artemisia
lane,
that
is
what
the
planning
zoning
commission
requested,
that
they
not
use.
Artemisia
artemislam.
J
N
Chairman,
commissioner
davidson,
it
basically
says
no
amplified
music,
so
I
think
you
could
still
technically
be
outside.
It
would
have
to
be
solely
acoustic
music
if
you're
going
to
do
something
like
that,
but
yeah,
no
amplified
or
or
outdoor
speaker
systems
allowed
as
a
part
of
the
pnz's
approval
of
the
project.
N
Carry
yeah
chairman
chris
davidson,
no
staff
has
not
tested
the
sound
distance
traveling
situation
out
here,
but
I
mean
we
I'd
have
to
discuss
with
code
enforcement.
How
how
we
might
go
about
doing
something
like
that.
I
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
testimony
from
the
neighborhood
about
how
sound
travels
out
here
and
again.
You'll
probably
hear
that
tonight.
J
N
Yeah
chairman,
commissioner
davidson,
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
1500
square
foot
patio,
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
hear
some
people
out
there
talking
and
having
a
glass
of
wine
that
you
know
there
are
only
for
promotional
events
of
a
larger
nature.
There
are
only
22
allowed
per
year.
N
I
I,
I
wouldn't
venture
a
guess
which
is
going
to
be
louder,
producing
the
grapes
or
enjoying
the
grapes,
but
I
think
again
the
applicant
might
be
able
to
share
some
of
that
information.
I
think
you
know
from
past
discussions
about
wineries
and
events.
Centers
it
does
sound
like
outdoor
customers
are,
do
create
noise,
and
so
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
going
on.
E
Mr
chair,
yes,
so
did
I
read
in
here
somewhere
that
the
my
tasting
was
going
to
be
by
appointment
only.
A
We're
not
reaching
yeah
okay.
Well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
If
mr
castro
would
like
to
you're
the
applicant,
tell
it
no
he's
the
applicant.
A
A
A
Okay,
could
you
then
state
that
your
name
for
the
record
and
your
time
starting
thank
you.
M
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
dave
castro.
I
live
at
2251,
hawksview
lane
and
eagle.
As
the
applicant
of
record.
I
represent
the
friends
of
eagle,
a
non-profit
dedicated
to
preserving
rural
eagle
and
ada
county,
as
well
as
approximately
200
neighbors
and
residents
living
in
proximity
to
this
proposed
winery,
who
have
signed
the
petition
contained
within
our
appeal,
posing
this
proposed
use.
M
R
M
Those
carefully
scripted
letters,
many
of
which
were
minimally
changed
from
what
was
recommended
by
the
solicitor.
You
no
doubt
heard
about
how
the
applicants
have
worked
well
with
the
neighbors
and
are
good
people.
Let
me
give
you
a
few
examples
to
show
you.
This
is
not
the
case
at
all.
You
will
hear
from
neighbors
living
within
a
thousand
feet
of
this
property
tonight
who
were
invited
to
the
neighborhood
meeting
to
discuss
the
proposal
and
who
voiced
their
concerns.
M
Building
for
processing
a
building
of
this
size
qualifies
as
a
commercial
processing
facility
and
does
not
conform
to
code
restrictions
within
the
rural
residential
district.
This
is
a
residential
subdivision.
Would
you
want
large
events
taking
place
weekly
during
the
summer
months
or
a
commercial
processing
facility
next
door
to
you,
dishonest
representation
of
what
the
applicant
had
planned,
violates
the
purpose
of
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
did
not
give
nearby
residents
the
opportunity
to
express
concerns
or
disapproval
of
the
true
plan.
M
You
will
also
hear
from
the
neighbors
and
property
owners
in
that
subdivision
who
explicitly
asked
the
property
owners
and
applicant
what
their
plans
were
for
the
vineyard
when
they
purchased
their
lots.
They
were
explicitly
told
they
had
no
plans
other
than
growing
grapes
and
processing
a
small
amount
of
wine.
M
Does
this
sound
like
working
well
with
the
neighbors
to
you,
ms
minder
acknowledged
in
correspondence
with
the
county
that
all
of
their
wine
and
equipment
can
fit
snugly
into
their
current
building,
and
yet
they
feel
the
need
to
expand
and
apply
for
an
additional
massive
building,
despite
their
claims
to
be
just
a
small,
family-run
wine
making
business
again?
This
does
not.
M
I
think
you'll
see
from
the
photo
that
this
building
was
never
designed
nor
constructed
to
be
used
as
a
single
family.
Residence
instead
is.
It
is
a
commercial
building
built
by
a
commercial
contractor
with
a
small
apartment
in
it.
The
property
owners
have
acknowledged
that
they
live
within
a
subdivision
within
incorporated
eagle
city
limits
and
have
no
intention
of
residing
on
the
premises
in
the
future.
M
The
applicant
is
a
commercial
operation
with
a
business
address
in
garden
city
whose
proprietors
live
in
boise.
They
also
acknowledge
that
they
have
no
intention
of
living
on
the
premises.
Ada
county
code,
sections,
82a1
and
82a3
delineate
acceptable
uses
within
the
rr
districts
as
detached
single-family
homes
on
large
lots
as
the
principal
permitted
use.
M
As
indicated
in
correspondence
from
ms
minder
in
her
master
site
plan.
This
clearly
was
the
intention
all
along
and
development
services
allowed
them
to
circumvent
the
code
requirements.
In
order
to
accomplish
this
in
recent
correspondence
to
you
dated
april
4th
2022,
mrs
mender
suggests
they
anticipate
being
able
to
host
less
than
two
people
for
tastings
for
week
and
that,
even
in
five
or
more
years,
they
do
not
anticipate
making
enough
wine
to
schedule
more
than
10
people
for
tastings
per
week.
M
Ms
mender
then
states
that
they
have
offered
small
scale
tastings
on
larger
scale,
events
in
the
past
and
that
the
smaller
scale
tastings
have
been
more
successful.
Why,
then,
would
you
apply
for
a
larger
scale?
Events
if
the
smaller
ones
are
more
successful
unless
you
are
being
intentionally
misleading,
photo
number
three
at
the
application
hearing,
concerns
were
raised
regarding
lighting
and
light
pollution
resulting
from
the
commercial
grade
interior
and
exterior
light
fixtures
used
in
the
building
on
site.
M
Some
of
these
concerns
were
validated
and
addressed
by
the
committee
in
the
conditions
of
approval
and
while
the
applicant
is
not
legally
bound
to
abide
by
these
conditions
until
the
application
is
finalized.
The
following
two
photos-
and
I
have
four
and
five
were
taken
after
that
hearing,
demonstrating
an
indifference
to
the
concerns
raised.
Does
this
sound
like
being
good
neighbors?
M
Next,
please
allow
me
to
address
the
planning
and
zoning
process.
The
planning
and
zoning
department's
job
is
to
follow
regulation
and
code,
not
to
assist
applicants
in
exploiting
loopholes
and
walking
them
through
an
approval
process
to
circumvent
code
requirements
in
order
to
gain
an
approval
on
the
commission
level.
Let
me
give
you
several
examples.
M
This
was
suggested
and
encouraged
by
one
of
the
planners
who
offered
a
way
around
the
code
regulation
preventing
it
in
email
correspondence
with
ms
minder
from
development
services
on
october
18
2021.
The
planner
suggests
that
there
is
a
way
to
work
around
the
regulation
limiting
the
size
of
events
and
thereby
allowing
events
of
over
100
attendees.
M
Ms
minder
replied
that
they
do
not
want
or
plan
to
run
events
at
the
site
and
that
they
were
willing
to
operate
without
the
event
waiver,
and
yet
planning
and
zoning
continued
to
encourage
them
to
apply
for
the
waiver
and
apply
for
the
events
center.
Is
this
development
services
job
to
encourage
applicants
to
work
around
existing
legislation
and
apply
for
things
that
are
not
originally
desired
or
included
within
their
application?
M
In
fact,
there
is
indeed
a
rma
recorded
within
with
the
county
and
that
rma
explicitly
states
that
no
agricultural
operation
shall
be
or
become
a
nuisance,
public
or
private,
and
while
one
might
argue
that
this
clause
from
the
right
to
farm
act
protects
the
applicant,
I
would
argue
it
does
not.
No
one
is
claiming
that
the
farming
and
harvesting
of
grapes
is
a
nuisance.
M
M
Are
you
going
to
start
allowing
ethanol
manufacturing
facilities
and
gas
stations
on
every
property,
growing,
corn
or
milk
processing
facilities
and
grocery
stores
on
every
dairy?
If
not,
then
how
can
one
justify
a
wine
processing
facility
that
brings
in
grapes
from
outside
the
county
and
state
as
supporting
local
agriculture?
M
This
is
a
commercial
processing
and
retail
facility
plain
and
simple,
as
mentioned
previously,
planning
and
zoning
has
encouraged
and
assisted
the
applicants
with
applying
for
social
hall
designation
in
order
to
exploit
a
loophole
in
the
code
requirements
to
allow
for
large
events,
planning
staff
have
claimed
that
the
designation
of
social
hall
applies,
as
it
constitutes
a
recreational
activity
by
the
applicant.
This
is
not
a
recreational
activity.
Recreational
activities
do
not
generate
commercial
revenue,
manufacture,
product
for
sale
or
sell
alcohol.
M
These
facilities
are
no
more
of
a
social
hall
than
is
the
spearmint
rhino
in
downtown
boise,
as
both
provide
entertainment
and
serve
alcohol.
It's
clear
that
the
recreational
use
social
hall
designation
was
designed
for
true
social
halls.
Like
boy
scout,
clubhouses
or
meeting
lodges.
Are
we
going
to
start
approving
and
allowing
all
kinds
of
non-allowable
uses
simply
by
designating
them
as
social
halls?
By
that
designation,
I
should
be
able
to
open
a
bar
or
restaurant
in
the
district
by
using
the
social
hall
designation.
M
M
Additionally,
even
the
report
provided
to
you
by
planning
the
zoning
department
contains
many
errors
and
incorrect
statements,
for
example
in
the
executive
summary.
The
report
states
that
tastings
will
be
from
noon
to
5
pm
7
days
a
week,
and
while
these
tasting
hours
were
suggested
by
the
applicant
and
correspondents
related
to
our
application,
this
is
not
what
was
provided
for
in
the
cup
hours
for
tastings
were
provided
from.
8
am
to
8
pm
to
refer
to
the
incorrect
hours
of
operation.
The
executive
summary
is
misleading.
M
Finally,
and
most
importantly,
please
allow
me
to
outline
how
this
permit
violates
several
ada
county
code
sections
table
8281
and
section
8283
of
the
code
clearly
delineate
acceptable
uses
within
the
rr
district
as
detached
single-family
homes,
on
large
lots
as
the
primary
use
and
farming,
agriculture
and
other
recreational
uses
as
secondary
uses.
This
application
is
not
for
recreational
use.
It
is
a
commercial
operation
plain
and
simple
and
violates
the
code
section.
M
As
pointed
out
previously,
I
failed
to
see
how
an
event
center,
with
retail
sales
of
alcohol
and
entertainment
qualifies
as
recreational
any
more
than
a
bar
restaurant
or
strip
club
would
and
while
processing
grapes
grown
on
the
property
could
be
an
acceptable
use.
Shipping
engraved
from
outside
the
county
and
state
and
potentially
leasing
space
to
other
vintners
for
use
and
processing
their
wine
as
no
longer
recreational.
M
It
is
commercial.
The
processing
facility
of
8
000
square
feet
that
they
have
applied
for
is
well
in
excess
of
what
is
needed
for
processing
the
fruit
grown
on
3.2
acres
on
their
property.
No
one
with
a
reasonable
business
plan
would
build
such
a
building
unless
they
had
other
intentions
for
its
use.
M
Section
853-120
of
the
code
specifically
states
that
promotional
events
are
limited
to
less
than
24
small
events
of
less
than
50
people
per
year.
Current
permit
application
and
workaround
loophole
has
allowed
for
additional
larger
events
under
the
guise
of
a
social
hall
and
recreational
activity,
which
is
not
section.
85A
4a
of
the
code
states
that
the
applicant
shall
have
the
obligation
to
maintain
practices
so
as
not
to
create
a
nuisance.
M
You've
been
provided
with
multiple
letters
in
my
appeal
packet
from
experts,
including
realtors
and
law
enforcement
officers,
as
well
as
press
articles
confirming
that
this
use
will
most
certainly
damage
surrounding
property
values
and
will
cause
an
annoyance
due
to
noise,
unsightly
parking
areas,
light
pollution
and
unwanted
traffic
and
safety
dangers.
How
does
this
not
constitute
constitute
a
nuisance
section
85b
4e
states
that
a
sound
wall
shall
be
included
in
the
landscape
plan
for
any
parking
areas
of
budding
a
residential
district.
This
has
not
been
included
in
the
plan.
M
Section
85b5b
states
that
the
proposed
use
shall
not
create
undue
adverse
impacts
on
surrounding
properties.
How
can
one
possibly
claim
that
this
use
does
not
create
adverse
impacts
on
the
neighboring
properties?
The
multiple
letters
from
realtors
experienced
in
real
property
sales
in
this
neighborhood
all
attest
to
a
significant
diminution
of
values
of
surrounding
homes
as
a
result
of
the
planned
winery.
M
Do
you
think
all
these
neighbors
and
residents
would
be
here
tonight
taking
time
out
of
their
busy
schedules
to
oppose
this
permit
if
it
didn't
adversely
affect
their
properties,
including
financial
value,
serenity,
safety
and
quality
of
life?
Can
you
honestly
say
that
you
would
want
a
large
winery
and
event
venue
with
events
weekly
during
the
summer
next
door
to
your
primary
residence?
M
The
ada
county
comp
plan
outlines
several
goals
when
considering
development
goal.
2.3
c
of
the
plan
states
provide
limited
opportunities
for
commercial
uses,
intended
to
primarily
serve
the
immediate
surrounding
area
and
travelers.
Passing
through
this
proposed
use
does
none
of
those
things.
It
is
purely
a
destination
point
for
a
retail
business
and
does
not
benefit
the
surrounding
community
in
any
way
to
demonstrate.
M
Not
a
single
letter
of
support
provided
in
the
appeal
packet,
with
the
exception
of
the
applicants,
is
from
the
immediate
surrounding
area
and
approximately
200
residents
in
proximity
to
the
proposed
use
of
voiced
opposition.
How
is
it
possible
that
200
people
within
a
mile
of
the
facility
would
oppose
a
use
if
there
was
some
benefit
to
them?
M
You
have
been
provided
with
multiple
letters
from
realtors
addressing
the
damage
to
neighboring
property
values
and
we'll
hear
testimony
tonight
regarding
this
as
well.
Does
this
not
apply
to
the
economic
impact
to
surrounding
landowners?
If
not,
who
does
it
apply
to
finally
gold
point
three
3.3
d
states
support
the
development
of
agricultural
processing
businesses,
provided
that
they
do
not
adversely
affect
adjacent
uses.
Once
again,
are
we
blatantly
ignoring
these
proposed
goals
and
providing
benefit
to
commercial
operations
at
the
expense
of
private
landowners
property
rights?
M
A
Are
there
questions
from
the
commission.
J
I
have
a
question,
maybe
for
legal
counsel
or
maybe
staff,
but
can
I
want
to
address
the
issue
of
the
neighborhood
meeting
requirement
so
that
requirement
in
our
code?
What
maybe
can
you
walk?
Walk
us
through
that
and
what
are
the
obligations
of
the
the
person
the
applicant
who
would
be
putting
on
the
neighborhood
meeting?
What
you
know
is
there
good
faith?
Is
there
you
know
maybe
just
walk
us
through
that.
N
Yeah
chairman
commissioner
davidson,
so
the
purpose
of
the
neighborhood
meeting
is
to
inform
neighbors
within
a
certain
proximity
to
the
subject:
property
of
the
applicant's
intent
to
submit
to
ada
county.
You
know.
Often
our
hope
is
that
at
that
meeting
discussion
occurs
and
they
refine
their
proposal.
If
there's
concerns
from
the
neighbors
or
you
know,
they
get
the
go
ahead
and
they
feel
very
confident
submitting
to
the
county.
There
is
no
requirement
that
it
be.
Everyone
agree.
N
J
So,
if
what
is
presented
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
evolves,
you
know,
if
you
give
people
the
benefit
of
the
doubt.
I
guess
you
could
also
say
well
what,
if,
what?
If
an
applicant
deliberately
misleads
the
neighbor,
is
there
recourse
or
is
the
whole
point
of
trying
to
be
honest
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
that
you
prevent
200
people
from
showing
up
and
testifying
against
yeah.
N
N
I
will
say
that
staff
also
has
to
do
a
radius
notice
and
it's
staff's
responsibility
to
notify
the
neighborhood
of
what
they
see
in
the
application,
and
so
we
did
that
we
included
this
club
lodge
or
social
hall,
because
that's
what
we
identified
in
the
detailed
letter.
That
is
our
requirement
and
we
are
certainly
more
bound
to
get
it
to
be
accurate
in
that
regard
than
the
neighborhood
meeting
again.
A
lot
of
neighborhood
meetings
are
by
first-time
applicants
who
don't
really
understand
the
development
process.
They've
been
told
they
have
to
do
this
by
staff.
N
N
M
I
I'm
sure,
may
I
just
mention
that
my
name
is
on
the
app
on
the
appeal
application,
because
we
could
only
put
one
name
on
there.
Rather
than
have
filing
200
separate
appeals,
we
decided
that
I
would
submit
it
under
my
name
and
write
the
appeal
or
whatever,
on
behalf
of
all
these
200
people
that
signed
the
petition
in
the
appeal.
A
Okay
and
that,
in
that
regard,
then
you,
you
mentioned
several
areas
where
you
felt
that
the
applicant
applicant
was
violating
or
the
application
was
violating
ada
county
code
right.
You
mentioned
several
of
those
areas
right.
M
I
think
well,
I
plan
to
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
in
my
rebuttal
at
the
end,
but
the
neighbors
and
residents
in
this
area
are
not
opposed
to
wine
growing
or
grape
grilling
they're,
not
opposed
to
even
small
family,
run,
winery
and
processing
of
grapes
and
limited
tastings.
What
we're
opposed
to
are
these
large
events
that
become
very
noisy?
M
A
All
right
the
we
now
have
15
minutes
for
the
applicant
to
the
planning
zone.
U
I
T
Okay,
my
name's
haley
minder,
I
reside
at
3005
west
barr
street
in
boise,
idaho,
okay,
all
right,
my
husband
marshall
and
I
own
3,
100
sellers,
my
parents,
lee
and
mary-
are
also
here
tonight.
They
own
the
property
at
5322,
north
artemis,
elaine
and
eagle
vineyard,
finca
basada,
which
means
kissed
farm
in
spanish.
T
First
off.
I
want
to
say
a
brief
thank
you
to
leon,
lutzen
and
connor
lindstrom
for
helping
in
the
application
and
appeal
process
for
this
cu.
Msp
I've
been
the
primary
person
compiling
information
for
this
application,
so
I'll
know
some
of
the
more
technical
aspects.
If
you
have
questions
about
that,
but,
as
I
said
my
my
husband,
my
parents,
our
legal
counsel
and,
I
believe
our
architect
are
all
here
tonight.
In
case
you
have
more
technical
questions.
T
T
T
T
Before
purchasing
the
property
we
reached
out
to
the
county
to
see
if
it
was
possible
to
farm
grapes,
and
we
also
asked
if
it
was
possible
to
have
a
winery
someday.
There
was
a
definite
yes
to
agriculture,
even
back
when
we
bought
the
parcel,
and
the
answer
was
yes
to
a
winery
as
well.
We
didn't
know
what
kind
of
process
that
would
be
just
that
it
was
possible
and
we
chose
this
parcel
in
particular
because
it's
close
to
where
we
all
live.
T
So
during
the
application
period
there
was
some
constructive
feedback
about
how
to
operate
within
the
existing
neighborhood
in
the
area,
and
there
was
also
input
at
the
hearing
in
january
and
there
were
conditions
proposed
by
planning
and
zoning
and
a
good
cons
conversation
during
that
hearing,
and
we
took
all
that
insight.
We've
made
changes,
our
application
evolved
as
leon
said,
and
we
are
trying
to
be
good
neighbors
and
would
like
to
work
within
the
existing
neighborhood
and
so
the
next
few
slides
I'm
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
pivots
we
had.
T
The
appeal
and
several
neighbors
suggested
that
we
don't
have
any
commercial
enterprise
in
the
area
and
there
are
many
permitted
allowed
and
conditional
uses
that
are
in
the
excuse
me
in
the
rural
base
district
and
in
ada
county
ordinances
table
eight,
two,
a
which
is
the
portion
that
mr
castro
suggest
talked
about.
You
can
see
what
those
allowed
conditional
and
permitted
uses
are.
Both
wineries
and
social
halls
are
conditionally
allowed
in
the
rr
district,
which
is
what
got
us
here
today.
The
process
that
brought
us
into
applying.
T
We
also
agreed
to
limiting
our
hours
of
operation,
and
I
wanted
to
make
it
clear
that
commercial
winery
is
a
federal
term.
So
if
you
make
more
than
100
gallons
of
wine
per
year,
the
ttb
wants
to
regulate
that,
and
so
you
have
to
have
a
commercial
license.
Even
if
you're,
not
selling,
that
line,
you
have
to
have
a
commercial
winery
license.
T
As
for
the
many
valid
concerns
about
increased
traffic
in
the
rural
area,
we
decided
to
limit
tastings
to
buy
appointment,
no
winery
traffic,
we'll
use
artemisia
lane,
which
is
a
private
road.
There
was
some
confusion
about
that.
There's
not
no.
The
ordinances
around
wineries
do
not
allow
a
private
road
to
be
used
to
access
a
property.
So
we
at
the
time
of
the
january,
hearing
we're
not
aware
of
the
road
agreement,
but
we
have
decided.
We
will
not
use
that
road
for
any
winery
traffic.
T
T
T
Please
leon
the
event
center
designation
is
a
concern
and
much
of
the
suggestions
from
the
county
staff
were
about
the
event
center
designation
were
to
ensure
we
were
properly
abiding
by
ordinances
and
rules
so
that,
if
when
we
have,
if
we
have
people
over
50
participants
on
the
property
at
one
time
were
regulated
so
that
everyone
is
safe.
Also,
central
district
health
has
a
much
different
requirements.
At
that
point,
we
were
are
fine
with
the
limitation
of
two
large
events
per
year.
T
We
don't
need
more
than
that,
but
for
our
wine
club
pickups,
we
do
anticipate
having
more
than
50
people
in
the
in
an
area
at
one
time
for
the
site,
buffers
that
were
brought
up
in
the
appeal.
The
county
instructed
us
on
what
was
required
for
landscaping
and
site
buffers,
and
we
are
happy
to
comply
with
those
if
there
are
additional
ones
that
we're
not
aware
of
we're
happy
to
work
that
out
as
well
for
light
screening.
T
The
issue
of
our
interior
shop
lights
came
up
at
the
january
hearing,
and
at
that
hearing
we
agreed
to
condition
to
screen
the
interior
shop
lights
and
after
the
hearing
in
the
for
the
time
being,
we
also
turned
the
breaker
off
to
those
lights,
I'm
ready
for
the
next
slide
and
the
next
few
slides.
There
are
some
pictures
from
the
vineyard
shop
and
other
things,
so
this
is
actually
from
homer
road.
T
Looking
up
at
the
vineyard
shop
with
the
interior
lights
on
at
night
in
the
next
slide,
this
should
be
looking
south
at
our
closest
by
number
of
feet.
Neighbors
next
slide
is
looking
southeast.
T
You
can
see
another
agricultural
parcel
there.
The
next
slide
is
looking
north
at
the
keller
family's
property
and
then
the
next
slide
is
looking
west
at
the
mustang
families
property
from
our
shop
door.
At
this
point,
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
legal
counsel,
andrea
nielsen
from
white
petersen
law
group
and
she'll,
take
a
few
minutes
to
present
the
legal
side
of
our
cu
msp.
V
Absolutely
andrea
nielsen
n-I-e-l-s-e-n
and
thank
you
very
much
to
staff
for
all
your
comments
and
mr
chair
commissioners.
Thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
the
application
today,
ada
keown,
one
of
the
things
that
is
included
in
your
packet
is
a
letter.
That's
also
a
planning
and
legal
brief.
Sorry,
the
microphone
feedback.
It's
a
there's,
a
planning
in
legal
brief
from
with
on
my
firm's
letterhead.
V
That
goes
in
detail
with
some
of
the
history
of
the
planning
policies
that
you
have
in
your
comp
plan
related
to
the
preservation
of
agriculture,
because
these
policies
didn't
arrive
in
your
plan.
For
no
reason
these
policies
have
been
developed
over
decades,
because
experts
have
looked
at
this
area
and
have
looked
at
other
areas
that
have
not
done
a
good
job
in
preserving
agriculture
and
asked.
V
V
V
I'd
ask
that
you
also
consider
what
other
local
governments
have
done
in
order
to
preserve
agriculture,
because
if
you
look
at
what
the
city
of
boise
has
done,
there
isn't
a
lot
of
agriculture
left
within
city
limits,
but
what
they've
had
to
do
in
order
to
preserve
it
is
use
taxpayer
funds
to
acquire
places
like
spalding
ranch
and
use
historic
designations
to
ensure
that
the
surrounding
uses
do
not
negatively
impact
those
agricultural
uses.
Now
ada
county
is
in
a
different
position
than
the
city
of
boise.
V
It
does
and
what
it
can
do
is
it
can
look
at
these
policies
that
are
already
in
your
comprehensive
plan
and
use
that
to
guide
your
decision
here
today,
because
if
you
support
a
local
business,
if
you
support
a
local
agricultural
family
and
allow
themselves
to
become
vibrant
and
successful,
you're
not
going
to
have
to
use
taxpayer
funds
in
the
future
in
order
to
ensure
that
these
uses
continue
and
idaho
law
is
different
than
than
the
california
wineries
that
were,
I
guess
mentioned
in
the
in
the
planning
and
zoning
testimony,
there's
a
lot
of
fear
that
this
area
is
going
to
become
like
california.
V
V
V
So
that,
yes,
is
an
annoyance
that
they,
that
may
be
a
concern,
but
it's
a
and
it's
something
that
code
enforcement
deals
with
in
residence
as
well
as
commercial,
and
there
are
further
restrictions
on
the
times
for
events
in
this
for
this
application,
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
smaller
events
were
reduced
and
these
smaller
events
really
are
not
much
larger
than
a
church
group
or
some
other
type
of
community
organization
that
might
be
gathering
to
me,
and
the
larger
events
are
only
two
per
year
only
two
per
year,
which
makes
a
lot
of
sense
when
you
think
about
an
agricultural
business,
because
you're
trying
to
aim
those
events
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
the
harvest,
and
while
these
larger
events
will
bring
more
cars,
there
is
ample
parking
on
site
to
be
able
to
handle
to
be
able
to
handle
that
parking,
as
opposed
to
some
of
the
nearby
businesses
that
are
appropriately
zoned.
V
V
Isn't
on
balantine,
that's
less
than
two
miles
away:
twin
oak
farms
operates
halloween
land,
seven
days
a
week.
Two
months.
Every
year,
every
single
day,
that's
four
miles:
east
rolling
hills,
vineyard,
1.4,
miles
away
to
dewalt
5
miles
away
the
flat
16
restaurant,
certainly
much
more
of
an
impact
to
surrounding
residential.
That's
only
four
miles
away
this.
V
This
is
a
residence
building
that
is
used
for
the
vacation
purposes
of
the
family
when
they
need
a
night
off
from
their
family
obligations,
but
it
is
also
an
agricultural
business
in
a
sense
that
there's
a
commercial
enterprise,
it's
agricultural
and
it
absolutely
fits
within
the
surrounding
area.
I'm
going
to
let
haley
conclude
her
remarks.
Thank
you.
T
E
So,
can
you
tell
me
how
many
beside
yourself,
how
many
other
residents
are
in
the
aba
actually
in
the
ava
boundaries.
T
T
It's
more,
I
think,
it's
more
than
a
mile
radius.
It
has
to
be
because
now
I'm
asking
how
many.
E
T
E
Okay
and
then
I
noticed
that
on
your
original
application,
you
were
wanting
tastings
by
appointment
and
it
was
from
12
to
5.,
and
so
how
did
that
go
then?
And
from
planning
and
zoning
coming
out
with
eight
o'clock
at
night.
T
I
think
on
that
application,
that's
our
our
planned
use
is
from
noon
to
five.
That's
when
most
tastings
take
place,
but
the
discussion
that
we
had
with
the
planning
and
zoning
meeting
was
sometimes
you
have
a
reporter
that
calls
and
says:
hey,
I'm
flying
out
in
the
morning,
but
I
need
to
come
and
taste
before.
I
write
my
review
and
I'm
can
come
by
at
8
30.
and
I
believe
in
our
original
application
there
was
a
a
table
that
said:
tastings
could
occur
from
88.
T
I
don't
remember
if
it
was
8
am
to
6
pm
or
what
it
was
and
then
the
planned
use
was
from
noon
to
five.
E
Okay,
you're,
okay,
with
noon
to
five
you're,
okay
with
appointment,
only
yeah,
okay
and
then
the
pickup
events.
So
the
reason
that
you're,
looking
at
the
high
number
yeah
sure
the
reason
that
you're
looking
at
the
high
number
for
the
pickup
events
up
to
110
is
that
110.
Is
that?
Because
you
have
you
think
that
many
customers
are
going
to
show
up
at
once?
Why
couldn't
you
limit
that
to
50
per
hour
over
like
a
three
or
four
hour
period,.
T
Leon
might
be
able
to
shed
some
light
on
this.
The
discussions
that
we
had
were
around
some
of
the
definitions
that
ada
county
has
for
events,
so
we
could
limit
it
to
50
people
or
less
per
hour,
but
there's
yes,
would
you
like
to
feel
that
yeah.
N
Chairman
commissioner
kenyon,
our
code
doesn't
state
only
you
know.
50
per
hour
is
okay
to
still
meet
the
promotional
event
requirements.
It
says
up
to
50
people
and
that's
per
event,
so
that
an
event
would
be
more
than
one
hour
and
I've
assumed
probably
several
hours,
but
it
would
cap
out
at
50
total
people
that
could
attend.
So
it's
not
50
people
on
site.
N
At
a
time
I
mean
our
code,
doesn't
specify
that
so
again,
that's
why
we
often
find
wineries
that
want
to
do
this
sort
of
thing
also
looking
to
do
the
social
club
social
hall,
because
they
have
large
releases
that
could
bring
over
the
course
of
a
day.
You
know
100
plus
people
to
a
site
and
that
wouldn't
technically
fit
within
the
promotional
event
associated
with
winery
use.
T
I
believe
part
of
the
suggestion
was
also
from
central
district
health,
that
having
more
than
50
people
per
day
on
site
would
constitute
an
event
in
their
minds,
and
we
would
need
to
be.
T
T
T
T
So
again,
this
is
where
the
event
definition,
even
if
they're
curbside
pickups
technically
having
all
those
people
visiting
the
property.
I
think
central
district
health
wanted
to
have
a
way
to
understand
the
numbers.
T
A
A
T
Our
story
is
rooted
in
idaho,
especially
idaho
rivers,
so
we
have
no
intention
of
buying
grapes
from
outside
the
region
outside
of
snake
river
valley
in
idaho,
maybe
something
up
from
the
lewiston
area,
but
we
are
committed
to
idaho
and
right
now
it
just
depends
on
how
fast
our
vineyard
comes
into
maturity,
on
how
much
we'll
need
to
purchase
from
other
vineyards.
E
Just
your
chair
along
those
same
lines.
So
what
are
your
production
months
that
you
would
be
bringing
trucking
wine
in?
Give
us
an
idea
of
start
to
finish
and
how
many
trucks
just
bulk,
that
you're
looking
at
here
in
terms
of.
T
Right
now
we
have
only
received
pickup
trucks
or
pickup
trucks
with
a
trailer
attached
for
our
receiving
of
grapes,
and
we
have
harvested
our
longest
harvest.
I
believe,
lasted
23
days
from
the
first
time
we
picked
our
grapes
to
the
last
pick
so
less
than
a
month,
typically
from
mid-august
to
somewhere
mid-september,
maybe
end
of
september.
T
T
A
percentage,
I
would
say
right
now
we're
not
quite
half
and
half,
because
our
vineyard
hasn't
reached
maturity.
Yet
we
hope
to
be
about
half
and
half
of
our
vineyard
and
other
local
vineyards.
E
And
is
it
common
practice
for
wineries,
vintners
to
grow
some
of
the
grapes
and
then
purchase
grapes
elsewhere.
T
It
can
be
common
practice
to
purchase
grapes
and
grow
grapes.
It's
also
a
good
example
of
that
would
probably
be
coulter's
creek
up
in
north
idaho.
I
believe
they
grow
a
lot
of
their
grapes,
but
they
also
contract
from
other
vineyards
as
well,
but
there's
also
many
winery
examples
of
purchasing
grapes
and
only
making
the
wine
and
not
growing
the
grapes.
J
T
Yeah,
so
we
went
ahead
and
went
through
what
ada
county
suggested
in
terms
of
numbers
and
how
many
parking
spaces
were
required.
We
exceeded
those
number
of
parking
spaces
and
when
we
host
an
event,
we
have
many
responsible
wine
club
members
that
uber
or
carpool.
J
Okay
and
at
the
neighborhood
meeting,
do
you
feel
that
you
accurately
represented
what
the
project
eventually
became.
T
I
do
I
know
there
was
some
concern
over
the
events
and
we
talked
about
the
fact
that
we
didn't
want
to
be
an
event
center,
that
we
were
being
asked
to
apply
for
an
event
license,
but
we
didn't
want
to
we
weren't.
We
were
hoping
that
we
could
have
a
variance-
or
I
forget,
the
proper
terminology
for
it
for
just
two
events
for
these
pickups,
and
so
there
was
some
concern
that
we
didn't
actually
talk
about
an
event
center
license.
T
So
instead
we
talked
about
it
as
a
variance.
We
also
felt
like
there
was
some
concern
at
our
meeting,
but
overall
it
was
a
relatively
good
neighbor
meeting
where
we
had
some
like.
I
said
some
concerns
and
a
couple
people
that
were
not
happy,
but
for
the
most
part
it
seemed
that
we
had
a
good
reception.
T
We
have
that
we
had
the
sign-in
sheet.
I
don't
know
if
we
submitted
that
as
a
but
I
think
there
were
probably
about
15
people.
T
I
A
E
E
A
Okay,
now
it's
time
for
a
testimony,
anybody
that
would
like
I
have
a
list
here
and
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
read
the
list
in
the
order
that
we
received
it.
We
received
the
electronic
version
first
for
people
who
signed
up
and
I'll
read
this
list,
and
I
would
like
to
have
somebody
speak
in
favor
and
somebody
if
there's
people
here
opposed
to
the
to
the
appeal,
so
we
get
sort
of
a
flavor
of
both
sides.
A
But
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
get
that
kind
of
a
thing
going,
then
we'll
just
keep
on
going
through
the
number
of
testimony.
Okay
and
remember
the
we're
limiting
the
testimony
three
minutes
and
we'd:
ask
that
you
not
repeat
things
that
have
already
been
said
ahead
of
you
so
that
we
can
get
through
this
this
evening.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
call
first.
W
Thank
you.
I
stand
here
tonight
in
full
support
of
3
100
sellers,
so
I
oppose
the
appealant.
If
all
of
that
makes
sense,
yeah.
U
W
W
I
know-
and
I
hope
the
commissioners
in
light
of
their
responsibility
and
duty
also
know
that
this
is
truly
a
matter
of
what
is
legal
and
what
is
not
after
much
thought.
Regarding
the
unfortunate
opposition
to
3100
sellers,
I
believe
it
is
as
simple
as
this.
This
is
a
private
private
property
rights
issue.
W
The
individuals
who
oppose
this
growth
essentially
feel
as
though
they
have
the
right
to
persuade
what
others
do
with
their
own
property.
Growth
is
inevitable.
We
see
it
all
around
us
right
now.
In
fact,
many
of
the
individuals
who
are
opposed
to
this
winery
are
not
originally
from
the
area
they
have
added
to
the
growth
themselves.
W
W
W
The
people
in
this
room
are
in
opposition
of
this
family
business,
upon
which
misinformation
was
the
signature
added
the
time
and
intention
that
has
gone
into
putting
into
place
these
codes
and
these
laws
by
way
of
giving
their
undivided
support
to
this
local
family
owned
business
as
commissioners.
Do
you
hold
up?
Do
you
support?
Do
you
acknowledge
the
individuals
who
are
investing
in
our
community
with
hard
work,
or
do
you
hold
them
down,
because
a
group
of
individuals
want
the
freedom
to
do
as
they
wish
with
their
land
and
control
those
surrounding
them?
W
I
have
watched
the
mender
family,
build
this
business
up
from
nothing,
slowly
deliberately
utilizing
local
goods,
designers,
grapes,
builders,
contractors
donating
to
local
non-profits
local
labor,
mostly
their
own.
Now
I
want
to
paint
a
picture
for
you.
If
you
actually
go
out
to
this
land
on
a
weekend
on
an
evening,
you
will
find
this
family
working
the
vines
by
hand
by
themselves,
and
I
know
that
this
is
what
they
hope
for
their
children
someday
to
pass
it
down.
So
this
is
what
my
family
supports.
W
A
A
I'm
going
to
call
the
next
name,
that's
on
the
list
and
if,
if,
if
you
are
in
support
of
the
the
of
3100
sellers,
then
just
raise
your
hand
we'll
get
back
to
you,
because
I'd
like
to
make
this
a
fair
process,
and
so
the
next
person
up
should
be
somebody
that
supports
the
the
applicant
and
not
this
not
3100
sellers
is
that
is
that
fair?
X
My
name
is
bart
brooke.
I
live
at
4001
west
homer
road
directly
across
from
the
proposed
winery,
I'm
against
it,
contrary
to
the
mender's
attorney,
we're
not
opposed
to
ag
at
all
people
picking
grapes
by
hand,
great
love
it.
What
we
are
opposed
to
is
the
sound
it
generates.
Not
only
can
we
hear
when
if
three
or
four
people
are
up
there,
my
wife
and
I
were
shocked.
You
can
hear
what
they're
saying
clear
up
at
the
at
the
house,
so
there's
no
sound
berms,
no
sound
mitigation
at
all.
With
this
current
application.
X
That's
one
concern.
The
other
concern
is
traffic
along
the
road
there's
several
blind,
goalies
and
high
rises,
and
people
fly
along
that
road
over
the
speed
limit
as
it
is,
our
driveway
is
directly
across
from
that
proposed
driveway,
there's
no
improved
shoulders,
no
improved
rural,
covering
gutter,
no
approved
pedestrian
access
way
along
there,
our
kids
play
along
there.
We
have
people
all
up
and
down
that
walk
it.
That's
a
that's
a
safety
hazard.
X
The
other
is
contrary
to
the
stated
half
of
the
land
use
is,
is
grown
only
3.2
acres.
Is
I've
mapped
it
out
on
google
earth
that,
according
to
the
wine
growers,
association
amounts
to
about
2,
750
bottles
production
per
year
or
860
bottles
per
acre
40
bottle,
that's
108
000
gross,
she
doesn't
even
know
her
business
model.
She's
been
asked
on
the
last
meeting.
What
her
business
bottle
is
how
much
wine
are
you
going
to
grow?
X
What
are
you
going
to
do
seems
to
me
if
you
had
a
good
business
model,
you'd
be
able
to
lay
it
out
on
a
five-year
projection
of
here's.
What
we're
gonna
do
first
year
second
year
third
year
fourth
year
so
on.
These
results
are
on
a
bounty
year
from
the
wine
growers
association
of
the
best
year
of
what
you
can
get
out
of
production.
X
If
they're
going
to
do
50,
50,
okay,
so
they
gross
208
000,
that's
gross!
This
is
a
commercial
manufacturing
facility,
they're
not
going
to
stop
it.
Just
a
few
thousand
bottles
of
wine.
It's
gonna,
be
you
just
can't
make
a
living
on
that
they're
gonna
go
under.
She
doesn't
even
know
what
her
business
model
is.
X
And
the
lighting
is
also
an
issue
that
needs
to
be
mitigated.
There's
still
been
nights
where
it's
been
bright
and
I
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
do
on
that.
In
the
neighborhood
meeting,
my
wife
and
I
didn't
know
anything
about
a
neighborhood
meeting.
We
weren't
privy
to
it
we're
right
across
the
street
and
they
talk
about
being
good.
Neighbors
they've
got
a
little
bird
zapper
thing
that
shines
lasers
all
over
the
place
right
across
from
our
next
door.
X
My
my
father-in-law's
driveway
and
it
just
zaps
on
it
and
the
dog
bark
all
night,
and
you
know
you
get
100
people
there
it's
going
to
carry
it's
it's
going
to
collectively
that's
going
to
be,
there's
no
sound
steady.
What's
the
decibel
level
when
it
carries,
we
can
hear
firestone
fireside
raceway
clear
down
there.
When
the
wind
carries
it,
you
can
hear
them
starting
off
on
the
drags
and
we
hear
them
talking.
X
X
You
to
have
dave
castro's
testimony,
I'd
like
that
to
be
put
in
my
record
as
testimony
as
well,
equal
and
also
my
wife
said
she's
about
to
present
later
on.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
A
Yeah
we'd
appreciate
that
if
you'd
hold
your
applause,
because
there's
obviously
two
sides
here
and
you
both
both
will
be
clapping.
So,
let's,
let's
and
and
I
I
think,
we'll
go
with
them
just
as
as
they're
written
written
here,
and
if,
if
we
get
too
many
in
the
same
side,
then
just
have
to
bear
with
us.
The
next
one
is
adrian
hendricks.
Z
My
name
is
adrian
hendricks
and
I
live
directly
south
of
their
property
at
4001,
homer
road,
my
business
and
my
parents
live
at
4599,
homer
road.
You
could
see
in
over
half
of
her
slide
photos.
You
could
see
our
houses
and
my
horses,
that's
how
close
we
are.
Agriculture
is
not
having
events.
It's
growing
things,
it's
a
natural
amphitheater.
My
husband
touched
on
that.
Z
Why
do
they
need
so
many
events,
if
they're
having
things
by
appointment,
only
it
doesn't
seem
that
they
need
to
have
events.
They've
had
large
events
in
the
past
without
permits.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
problem
is
without
going
forward
except
she's,
trying
to
make
it
legal.
Now
my
parents
attended
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
were
shocked
at
the
changes
that
have
happened
now
and
she
is
disrupting
my
business,
I'm
a
saddle
maker
and
I
have
people
travel
from
around
the
northwest
and
I
need
horses
to
be
quiet
and
calm
on
the
weekends.
Z
Z
Sorry,
those
were
my
comments
from
what
I
heard
they
didn't
do
the
research
before
building
all
of
this
and,
if
broken,
the
laws
and
codes
you've
had
in
place,
they're
choosing
to
ask
forgiveness
instead
of
permission
and
karma
has
a
way
of
working
through
that
they've
made
some
poor
uninformed
decisions,
and
now
we're
left
to
deal
with
the
consequences,
a
ruined
neighborhood
and
a
fractured
relationship
with
the
people
directly
across
the
street.
We
support
growing
grapes
and
making
wine.
We
don't
support
large
events.
Z
My
dad's
talked
with
lee
and
lee
said
they
don't
want
large
events.
Lee
said
haley
said
they
don't
want
large
events.
We
agree
who
wants
to
have
large
events,
and
why
are
they
pushing
to
have
large
events?
We
can
find
peace
if
you
just.
Let
us
resolve
this
instead
of
forcing
someone
else's
agenda,
why
are
you
making
them
get
a
permit
for
large
events?
Z
Z
Z
We
are
just
wanting
some
security
in
what
could
happen
to
our
neighborhood,
so
we
can
try
to
repair
our
relationship
with
the
menders
and
the
parsons.
I
have
small
children.
I
want
to
protect
the
homes
that
my
parents
and
I
are
leaving
them.
I
would
ask
you
to
strike
the
large
events,
permit
completely
and
limit
the
55
person
to
small
groups
or
even
non-existent
if
it's
by
application,
by
whatever
the
mentors
just
want
people
coming
by.
Z
A
We
have
lawrence
laraway.
AA
Thank
you,
commissioner
lawrence
laraway.
I
guess
I'm
here
to
speak
on
sort
of
a
professional
opinion
as
an
architect
in
the
general
contractor
regarding
the
residential
property,
but
according
to
city's
equal
comp
plan,
the
parcel
is
a
real
residential.
AA
According
to
ada
county
p
c,
this
is
a
rural
residential
zone
and
according
to
ada
county's
building
department
and
public
and
planning
and
zoning.
This
is
in
a
residential
state
subdivision.
So
I
just
concur
with
what
I've
experienced
before,
with
being
with
the
county
and
being
in
front
of
commissioners
like
yourself
before
that
there
seems
to
be
an
end
around
of
what
was
intended
and,
what's
really
being
built
up
there.
Everybody
has
seems
to
have
noted
that
the
residential
portion
was
first
and
a
winery
is
a
secondary
use.
It
was
the
event
center.
AA
A
third
third
use,
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
all
works
without
a
residence.
There
are
commercial
standards
that
need
to
be
applied
to
in
terms
of
roadways,
parking
lighting,
drainage.
All
these
things,
I
don't
see
anything,
that's
providing
any
engineering
or
any
time
or
any
development
into
how
this
is
a
commercial
facility
and
not
going
to
be
a
residential
facility,
and
I
really
have
a
problem
with
it
being
in
a
in
a
state,
a
residential
estate
subdivision,
without
actually
getting
out
of
the
residential
estate
subdivision
and
applying
for
a
proper
zone.
AA
I
believe
that
the
parcel
and
where
it's
located
the
cup
for
the
event,
events
and
everything
does
not
fit
within
the
intent
of
the
area
in
the
city
of
eagle's
comp
plan,
where
they
specifically
state
the
northern
portion
of
the
planning
area,
which
is
north
of
homer
road,
includes
connections
for
seasonable
migration
for
habitat,
sensitive
species
and
significant
topography.
These
areas
should
be
managed
to
preserve
and
set
aside
critical
areas
and
designate
to
protect
the
area
from
wildfire.
AA
So
I
see
this
as
disrupting
both
the
wildfire
and
it
keep
creating
an
increased
risk
for
wildfires
and
not
in
cutting
off
that
access.
The
prior
map
shows
the
blm
is
directly
north
of
this
property
and
actually
extends
down.
So
what
are
we
doing
about
the
animals
in
the
end
and
everything
that's
coming
in?
That
is
nature
out
there
still.
AA
A
I
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
hearing
my
testimony
tonight.
This
is
brett
keller.
I
represent
myself
and
my
wife.
We
own
the
10
acre
property
located
at
5325
art
missile
lane,
which
is
immediately
to
the
north
of
the
vineyard
borders,
the
northern
edge
of
the
vineyard,
my
wife
and
I
grew
up
in
boise
valley.
We
own
property
mccall
and
have
a
commercial
business
in
the
nampa
area
as
well.
So
I'm
here
tonight
to
support
the
appeal:
we're
not
in
favor
of
the
expansion
plan.
O
We
purchased
our
property
seven
years
ago
before
anything
was
planned
or
built
by
3800
sellers
on
the
property.
We
purchased
the
property
with
the
explicit
intention
to
build
a
retirement
home
which
we're
in
early
stages
of
planning
and
designing
that
now
dave
cash
was
clearly
outlined
that
the
challenger
challenges
that
this
represents
for
a
resident
like
ourselves.
O
We
have
no
issue
with
the
vineyard
itself
or
specialty
agriculture,
et
cetera,
that
was
referenced
tonight.
We
are
opposed
to
large-scale
production
and
the
event-based
intentions
of
the
property,
especially
when
we
all
know
when,
if
you've
got
20-plus
proposed
promotional
events
taking
place.
Those
will
all
happen
in
the
summer,
which
means
essentially
you've
got
multiple
events
happening
per
week,
and
you
can
imagine
how
my
neighbors
would
feel
if
I
were
to
hold
multiple
parties
a
week
throughout
the
summer
with
multiple
individuals
coming
in.
O
So
from
that
point
of
view,
we're
concerned
about
noise
pollution,
traffic
horse
safety
and
alcohol
consumption
and
really
the
negative
impact
this
will
have
on
residents
immediately
next
to
and
in
the
surrounding
area.
So
with
that,
I
don't
have
new
evidence
or
date
of
the
show
dave
represented
our
interests
here
in
presenting
tonight,
but
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
our
view
considering
our
direct
proximity
as
we
look
down
onto
the
property.
Thank
you.
A
We
will
now
take
diane
frye.
AB
My
name
is
diane
fry
and
my
address
is
5555
west
homer
road.
The
road
is
named
after
my
grandfather,
our
family
homesteaded
out
there.
My
parents
currently
live
at
the
property
just
slightly
west
of
the
vineyard,
I'm
in
strongly
in
favor
of
the
appeal.
I
would
like
to
ask
all
of
you
to
just
take
a
walk
in
our
shoes
for
just
a
moment.
AB
I
live
with
my
family
friends
neighbors
and
some
of
these
strangers
that
have
been
zoned
in
a
residential
rural
living
area.
We
moved
here
or
have
lived
here
for
generations,
because
the
quiet
pastoral
feel
those
that
moved
here
paid
quite
a
premium
to
live
in
this
setting
with
the
convenience
of
town
15
minutes
away.
AB
AB
AB
What
we
don't
understand
or
agree
with
is
changing
the
feel
of
the
last
of
this
rural
area,
which
is
meant
to
provide
a
relief
for
everyone.
A
vineyard
is
a
lovely
addition
to
our
neighborhood.
The
owners
living
there
and
growing
grapes
is
exactly
what
ada
county
has
zoned
this
for
trucks
coming
to
process.
The
grape
seasonally
fits
right
in
with
tractors
and
other
farm
equipment
that
work
the
small
pieces
of
farmland
there.
AB
AB
AB
AB
Is
that
where
you
would
now
want
to
walk
with
your
family
spouse
or
pup,
it's
an
open
and
windy
area
trash
from
the
businesses
and
their
party
goers
will
blow
across
our
fields
lawns.
I
bet
the
animals
love
that
I
know
I
will
sounds
bump
around
and
travel
extremely
in
the
foothills.
The
noise
from
the
traffic,
music
and
large
numbers
of
people
will
upset
the
residents
both
human
and
animal.
If.
E
AB
I
AC
Okay,
my
husband
vice
admiral
kevin
cosgriff,
and
I
just
a
small
farm
at
2641,
north
haven,
drive
and
eagle
last
year
on
his
birthday,
the
28th
of
june,
with
a
plan
to
retire
in
this
lovely
and
peaceful
community
and
first
on
behalf
of
my
husband
and
me,
I
would
like
to
publicly
thank
dave
castro
and
the
members
of
the
eagle
community
who
have
worked
tirelessly
to
safeguard
the
character
and
nature
of
this
beautiful
area
in
a
manner
that
is
respectful
of
private
property
rights
of
all.
And
we
support
this
his
appeal.
AC
The
comment,
letters
and
petitions
submitted
by
friends
of
the
eagle
regarding
3100
sellers
proposed
rep
proposal.
Rep
represent
the
valid
concerns
shared
by
many,
including
us,
and
we
work
we
support.
It
is
excuse
me.
It
is
indisputable
that
this
proposal
violates
the
spirit
and
nature
of
the
ada
county
preservation
of
public
property
code.
AC
Last
year
I
worked
with
columbia,
county
oregon
regarding
three
cup
applications
for
a
parcel
of
farmland
that
has
been
in
my
family
for
decades
they
were
oregon,
pioneers
and
columbia.
County
is
a
similar,
very
much
similar
in
nature
to
eagle,
so
I'm
familiar
with
cup
considerations
and
processes,
but
in
columbia
county
the
staff
worked
scrupulously
to
gather
all
the
facts
from
all
the
parties.
AC
They
were
highly
engaged,
validating
those
facts
and
bringing
the
community
together
to
come
to
a
com,
a
common
assessment
for
prior
to
this,
all
my
my
cups
and
whoever
getting
to
the
commission
planning
or
county
or
approval.
My
point
being
that
by
the
time
the
cup
is
presented
to
the
commission,
our
cups
next
week
in
columbia,
county
all,
the
community
concerns
have
been
addressed.
AC
There's
no
division
or
acrimony
in
the
community,
and
I
would
suggest
to
all
that
this
great
staff
work
with
carried
out
that
this
great
staff
work
kind
of
staff
work
has
not
been
necessarily
carried
out
yet
based
on
our
experience
with
the
flower
farm
just
referenced
by
the
woman
who
preceded
me,
and
I
believe
that
the
citizens
of
eagle
and
ada
county
deserve.
Okay.
AC
A
Next
up,
we
have
marshall
mender.
A
Okay
watch
the
yellow
light
that
gives
you
one
minute
from
to
wrap
it
up
when
the
yellow
light
comes
on,
and
please,
if
you
can
limit
yourself
to
don't
repeat
things
that
have
already
been
said,.
AD
Excellent
you'll
be
happy
to
know
I've
crossed
off
half
my
list
already
all
right,
good,
mr
and
madame
commissioners.
Thank
you
for
having
me
I'm
co-owner
and
founder
of
3100
sellers.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
west
central
idaho
in
council,
idaho,
over
the
course
of
my
career.
I've
been
instrumental
in
several
small
businesses,
either
building
them
up
or
sustaining
them
and
short
the
pursuit
of
happiness
in
the
american
dream.
AD
AD
Over
the
course
of
our
last
eight
vintages,
we've
exclusively
supported
idaho
industry
in
the
eagle,
foothills
ava,
as
well
as
the
snake
river
valley,
ava
sawtooth
vineyards,
bittner
vineyards
and
finca
pasada
to
name
a
few
3100
sellers
cannot
be
compared
to
monsters
of
the
industry
like
gallow,
producing
88
million
cases
per
year,
yellowtail
at
11
million
cases
per
year,
or
even
locally,
with
saint
chappelle
at
approximately
150
000
cases
per
year.
AD
AD
AD
My
wife
and
I
have
every
intention
to
keep
this
land
in
agriculture
with
hopes
as
we
can
grow
and
can
afford
to
expand
the
vineyard
to
maximize
our
area,
thereby
maximizing
our
valuability.
Ultimately,
commissioners,
I
would
like
to
afford
my
children
the
same
opportunities
I
had
as
a
young
man
growing
up
and
working
on
a
family
farm
opportunities
like
hard
work,
respect,
dependability
responsibility,
teamwork
and
the
gauntlet
of
trades
required
to
help
maintain
such
a
venture
commissioners
and
staffers.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
The
opportunity
to
be
here
and
present
testimony
to
you
all.
A
Here
we
have
one
more
webex
would
be
randall
mustin.
AE
AE
Okay,
I
I
I'll
try
not
to
so
in
june,
my
wife
and
I
started
looking
for
properties
in
eagle,
idaho,
the
intention
of
building
our
forever
home.
In
late
august,
we
saw
a
listing
for
10
acres,
we
we
fell
in
love
with
it
and
before
purchasing
it,
we
did
our
due
diligence
as
far
as
looking
at
what
the
zoning
was.
AE
AE
We
felt
comfortable
moving
forward
and
investing
a
large
amount
of
money
to
purchase
the
land
during
the
purchase.
You
can
see
in
the
road
agreement
at
the
bella
vista
subdivision.
It
does
say
no
properties
can
be
a
nuisance
to
the
other.
Well,
winery
would
certainly
be
a
nuisance
as
your
as
your
very
question
of
wining
club
pickups,
mrs
minder
has
already
used
the
property
on
our
visa.
For
that
purpose.
AE
She
did
not
ask
the
neighbors
us
if
we
were
okay
but
went
ahead
and
did
it
anyway,
if
we
had
known
them
mentors
intended
to
turn
their
vineyard
and
prostate
facility
full-blown
winery
up
to
24
events
a
year.
We'd
have
second
thoughts
as
a
conditional
use
permit.
Hearing
in
january,
my
wife
and
I
both
spoke
against
the
change
of
use
along
with
many
other
people.
The
vast
majority
were
against
it.
All
of
them
lived
in
the
immediate
vicinity.
AE
Those
who
are
most
impacted
by
the
plans
for
the
winery
were
not
heard
or
given
a
credence.
We
feel
misled
by
the
mentors
who
asked
for
a
simple
building
permit
in
the
county
who
did
not
uphold
the
use
permit
of
land.
The
miners
had
an
industrial
grade
gas
water
drainage
installed
under
the
building,
permitting
a
very
large
open
space
suitable
for
sizable
public
gatherings,
which
shows
us
they
had
intentions
all
along
to
turn
into
a
commercial
facility.
AE
I
understand
we
required
okay,
so
we
were
supposed
to
be
notified.
We
were
not
notified
of
the
meeting
and
we
live
we're
right
next
door
and
we
had
to
hear
from
the
neighbors
and
we
showed
up
just
to
find
out.
You
know
what
was
going
on.
We
have
no
issues
with
the
minders
growing
grapes
or
making
wine.
We
also
have
an
issue
with
living
next
door
to
winery
where
there's
noise
and
create
traffic.
You
know
light.
AE
Yeah
well,
I
was
gonna
say
you
know
that
the
our
realtor
also
asked
them
the
same
question
and
they
said
they
were
just
basically
building
a
garage
and
that's
kind
of,
and
we're
just
basically.
AE
A
AF
All
right
good
evening,
mr
chairman
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
tamara
erp
and
I
reside
at
4032
north
valentine
lane.
I
am
a
resident
of
the
area
that
will
greatly
be
impacted
by
this
proposed
business
in
our
residential
area.
Unfortunately,
there
is
now
another
family
wanting
to
open
their
property
up
to
events
several
days
per
week
with
food
trucks,
food
trucks
and
large
gatherings
with
commercializing
our
rural
residential
area.
It
will
no
longer
be
peaceful,
nor
beautiful.
There
will
now
be
high
traffic
and
evening
noise
from
these
venues.
AF
Our
home
sits
exactly
40
feet
from
the
narrow
rural
road.
If
the
road
ever
expands,
we
will
stay
even
closer
to
the
high
traffickid
road
once
all
these
wineries
and
events
pop
up
all
week
and
week
and
long
during
the
beautiful
summer
evenings,
we
work
hard
all
day
and
we
want
to
come
home
and
enjoy
our
peaceful
evenings
on
our
properties
with
our
own
family
and
friends.
AF
We
don't
want
to
hear
loud,
music,
loud
talking
and
traffic,
speeding
up
and
down
our
rural
roads
when
my
husband
decided
to
retire
from
active
duty
with
the
us
army.
As
a
sergeant
major,
we
chose
to
make
the
move
to
idaho,
where
he
remembers
driving
through
in
the
90s
and
seeing
how
beautiful
the
golden
rolling
hills
of
idaho
were.
We
moved
here
10
years
ago
and
made
eagle
idaho
the
place
we
wanted
to
finally
settle
down
and
call
home.
AF
If
you
allow
one
business,
then
two
many
more
will
come.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
choose
our
neighbors
and
we
don't
want
to
tell
them
what
they
can
and
can't
do
on
their
property.
However,
when
they
want
to
open
their
property
up
to
large
events
all
week
long,
I
can
no
longer
stick
quiet
about
what
they
want
to
do.
This
is
no
longer
about
them
and
what
they
want.
It
now
affects
many
of
their
neighbors
living
out
here.
This
is
our
neighborhood
too,
not
just
theirs.
AF
Many
neighbors
have
young
kids
moms
out
jogging
with
their
babies
and
strollers
cyclists,
who
enjoy
our
less
travel
roads
and
the
sweet
lady
down
the
road.
With
her
walker
waving
his
passion
at
pashub
ice.
Where
will
they
play
walk
and
jog?
You
will
have
taken
so
much
away
from
those
that
enjoy
what
little
we
have
left
over
a
few
neighbors
who
want
to
make
a
profit
on
their
property
rather
than
open
a
business
in
town
or
have
a
booth
at
the
local
markets.
That
is
where
their
business
belongs.
AF
Another
concern
I
have
is:
how
can
those
that
don't
live
out
here
have
a
say
in
supporting
such
events?
I
can't
go
into
their
neighborhoods
and
make
changes
to
the
way
they
live
and
they
shouldn't
have
a
voice
as
to
what
happens
in
our
neighborhood.
They
don't
live
out
here
and
will
not
be
impacted
in
any
way.
AF
Please
hear
those
of
us
that
live
out
there
and
will
be
directly
impacted
by
these
proposed
businesses
as
a
licensed
real
estate
agent
in
the
area,
I
can
tell
you
that
property
values
will
civic
significantly
diminish
and
many
homeowners
and
many
homeowners
if
these
businesses
are
approved.
I
will
leave
you
with
this.
If
you
choose
not
to
approve
these
businesses,
everyone
goes
on
with
their
lives
as
they
are
now,
and
no
one
loses
anything.
AF
AG
Let
me
repeat:
my
property
has
been
ruined.
I'll,
see
you.
In
60
days,
haley
mintner
sent
a
letter
in
the
dude
dewalt
sellers
application
for
social
hall
status,
which
said
I
know
that
the
bucharts
of
dude
dewalt
sellers
work
together.
Well
with
the
neighbors,
I
called
her
and
asked
her
to
remove
the
letter.
She
refused.
AG
There
isn't
a
character
test
by
applicants.
The
three
of
you
will
have
to
use
the
feeling
between
your
heart
and
belly
button
to
determine
who's,
telling
the
truth
and
who's.
Not
I'm
gonna
tell
you
the
wineries
misrepresent
constantly
where
they're
headed,
even
if
you
do
nothing
tonight
and
allow
this
to
stand,
they'll
be
back
and
there
will
be
a
creep
to
it.
I'll
see
you
in
60
days,
oh
agriculture,
everybody's
fine
with
agriculture
grow
grapes
due
to
walt
sellers.
90
of
their
wine
is
produced
by
purchasing
grapes,
not
on
their
own
property.
AG
N
AH
AH
Okay,
you
can
just
go
ahead
and
just
hit
a
couple
of
those.
My
name
is
casey
bickle.
I
live
at
2201,
west,
homer
road,
I'm
just
a
little
bit
less
than
a
mile
from
this
property,
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
am
not
opposed
to
them
having
a
vineyard
or
a
winery
at
their
house,
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
rolling
hills,
red
chair,
lavender.
AH
These
people,
don't
they've,
said
that
they
don't
live
at
the
property,
they
don't
have
any
intention
of
living
at
the
property
and
the
fact
is
had
they
asked
for
a
zone
a
rezone
prior
to
building
this,
this
property
they
would
have
been
denied.
We
all
know
they
would
have
been
denied.
That's
why
they
didn't
ask
for
the
property
result,
and
that's
why
we're
here
tonight
is
what
they're
doing
is
they're
playing
fast
and
loose
with
the
zoning
rules.
They
decided
that
it
was
going
to
be
better
for
them
to
go
ahead.
AH
Do
it
and
then
ask
for
forgiveness
later
and,
like
I
said,
no
one
on
our
nobody
on
our
street.
Nobody
is
opposed
to
them.
Living
at
the
house
producing
wine
and
having
some
small
events,
that's
what
rolling
hills
does,
but
that's
not
what
they're
doing.
Also.
I
want
you
to
see
as
you
look
through
these
pictures
here.
This
is
what
homer
road
looks
like,
and
I
don't
know
if
anybody
understands
how
rural
it
is
out
there.
It's
a
very
narrow
road,
it
basically
dead
ends
on
both
ends
and
there's
really
not
any
room
for
parking.
AH
AH
AI
Hello
good
evening,
honorable
commissioners,
I
live
at
5150
north
soaring
lane,
so
I'm
north
of
homer
road.
I
probably
about
five
thousand
feet
from
where
the
proposed
winery
would
be.
I
just
want
to
make
a
few
points.
First,
there
seems
to
be
an
awful
lot
of
like
what
I'll
call
vouching
where
people
are
like.
Oh,
the
menders
are
such
nice
people.
They
have
this
great
intention.
They
really
want
to
be
small
and
they
have
this
plan.
Okay,
that's
fine!
AI
But,
as
you
know,
when
the
conditional
use
permit
is
granted
ownership
can
change
hands,
things
can
change.
So
I
urge
the
commission
not
to
rely
upon
the
good
intentions
of
the
applicant
for
the
conditional
use
permit
and
instead
to
be
very
hard-headed
about
what
could
happen
if
someone
with
not
so
good
intentions
were
to
get
a
hold
of
this
conditional
use.
Permit
that's
a
very
important
point.
AI
I
also
want
to
point
out
something
that
chris
laraway,
the
architect,
made
a
very
good
point
and
I
want
to
emphasize
it,
and
that
is
that,
when
this
building
was
built,
which
is
a
commercial
building
with
a
commercial
contractor,
you've
heard
all
that
before
commercial
fixtures
and
so
on
so
forth.
There
was
an
apartment
included,
but
now
they're
planning
on
decommissioning
the
apartment.
So
what
is
rural
residential?
And
now
we
have
a
commercial
building
with
no
one
living
there.
AI
It's
strictly
a
commercial
operation
that
is
totally
out
of
character
and
inappropriate
for
our
wonderful
neighborhood
and
there's
another
point
to
being
rural
residential
with
a
person
who
actually
lives
on
the
property,
because
then
they
have
a
stake
in
being
good
neighbors
because
they
have
to
live
with
their
neighbors
and
so
on.
When
you
have
a
situation
like
what's
happening
here,
where
you'll
have
no
resident
at
the
location,
there's
no
incentive
to
get
along
with
the
neighbors
and
that's
kind
of
what
we're
already
seeing
playing
out.
AI
Okay,
we're
already
seeing
that
playing
out
in
the
way
things
are
going.
So
I
urge
you
to
consider
the
conditional
use
permit
beyond
the
scope
of
just
their
good
intentions
instead
to
look
very
carefully
at
what
exactly
in
the
actual
document,
and
let
me
just
point
out,
for
example,
I
did
not
see
in
reviewing
the
document
a
condition
requiring
that
tastings
be
by
appointment
only.
I
did
not
see
that
the
condition
just
has
the
hours
of
operation
as
being
from
eight
to
eight.
I've
been
to
wine
tasting
in
many
different
venues.
AI
I've
never
seen
wine
tastings
at
8
pm,
okay,
so
even
the
applicant,
when
they
initially
applied
for
the
conditional
use
permit,
they
said
12
to
5..
So
what
what's
going
on?
Why
does
this?
Why
does
the
scope
of
this
project
keep
evolving
and
expanding?
It's
something!
That's
very
concerning
to
me.
I
think
it
should
be
concerning
to
you
as
well,
and
I
would
urge
you
to
grant
the
appeal
I
would
deny
the
conditional
use
permit
altogether
or
issue
severely
restrictive
conditions
to
prevent
abuse.
Thank
you
very
much.
AJ
I
do
my
name
is
linda
chaney
and
I
live
at
3355,
west,
homer
road,
and
I
was
one
of
the
neighbors
that
attended
the
neighborhood
meeting,
and
I
want
you
to
know
that
my
husband
and
I
feel
lied
to
by
these
folks
that
are
trying
to
do
this
winery.
AJ
First
of
all,
let
us
understand
that
this
isn't
the
idaho
that
we
know
and
love
anymore.
You
know
all
of
this
growth
coming
in
and
we
get
it.
Growth
is
inevitable.
We
can't
do
anything
about
it,
but
dang
it.
We
have
gatekeepers
people
at
building
departments
and
permitting
departments
that
should
have.
Never
you
don't
need
ever
you
don't.
AJ
AJ
AJ
They
told
us
they
would
never
be
serving
food,
there
wouldn't
be
any
noise
or
any
music
or
any
of
those
things
at
the
planning
and
zoning
meeting
that
we
attend.
Oh
all,
of
a
sudden
we're
going
to
have
catering
events,
we're
going
to
have
food
trucks
and
when
the
planning
and
zoning
folks
ask
them
well,
why
do
you
have
to
have
food
trucks?
Well,
that's
how
the
caterers
do
it
these
days?
That's
that's
the
way
they
cater
food
as
they
do
the
food
trucks.
AJ
AJ
They
are
going
to
have
a
restaurant
there
at
some
point.
There
is
no
doubt
in
my
mind.
This
is
going
to
continue
to
grow
and
become
bigger
and
bigger
and
bigger,
and
we
don't
want
it
we're
just
a
little
rural
community
and
we've
been
there
since
1980
over
40
years.
We
just
wanted
to
have
a
little
family
farm.
You
know
live
off
the
land.
We
have
this
dream,
you
know
my
mom
and
dad
want
to
die
in
that
house
and
my
dad
just
did
and
dang
it.
AJ
A
I
want
to
assure
you
that
nobody
on
this
panel
is
annoyed.
We
want
everybody
to
be
heard
and
we
want
everybody
everyone
to
be
respectful.
So
thank
you.
AK
AG
AL
I
want
to
so
many
things
have
already
been
brought
up.
My
first
worry
was
parking
and
the
reason
for
her
parking,
because,
if
we're
going
to
have
some
large
large
activities
there,
there's
not
sufficient
parking
and
homer
road
is
not
a
road
that
it's
a
small
two-lane
road,
not
even
center
striping
on
it.
AL
The
sides
of
homer
road
are
deteriorating
from
the
water
runoff.
It's
not
a
good
road.
When
I
moved
there,
homer
road
was
a
dirt
washboard
buppity,
bumpity,
bumpity
and
ada
county
came
in
and
kind
of
smoothed
out
the
dirt
and
put
down
two
inches
of
blacktop,
and
they
call
that
a
road.
It
is
not
sufficient
for
heavy
trucks.
It
is
not
wide
enough
to
park
cars
on
and
with
36
parking
spaces.
I
know
they're
going
to
want
to
park
cars
on
homer
road.
AL
AL
Exterior
lighting
should
be
off
at
10
pm
end
of
story.
The
lds
mormon
church
up
on
up
on
the
commercial
chindin
and
lender
has
to
turn
off
their
lights
at
night
at
10
a.m.
And
here
we
are
a
little
rural
residential
area.
We
should
not
have
those
big
bright
lights
after
10
pm.
I'm
sorry
I
I
know
you
guys
want
that
it
will
improve
your
tax
base
if
you
have
the
winery
there,
but
it's
sure
not
going
to
be
help
for
the
neighbors.
Q
J
Mr
chair,
can
I
ask
you
a
question
before
you
sit
down?
Did
you
say
you're
you're,
hearing
the
backup,
alarms
now
or
you're
worried
that
you
will
hear
them.
AL
I'm
not
hearing
them
now.
I
have
not
heard
them.
I
did
hear
them
when
they
were
building
the
building,
but
I
have
not
heard
them
lately,
but
I'm
concerned
with
food
trucks
and
delivery,
trucks
and
all
kinds
of
equipment.
I
don't
know
what
all
it's
going
to
take,
but
I
do
know
those
backup
alarms
are
very
annoying
and
my
daughter
lived
next
door
to
another
subdivision
being
put
in
by
her
and
5
30
in
the
morning.
They
were
out
there
with
their
trucks,
beep
beep
beep.
A
A
AK
Dennis
hello,
commissioners,
thanks
for
giving
me
my
three
minutes
of
fame
and
whatever
it
turns
out
to
be,
but
I
appreciate
the
time
I'll
make
it
true.
I
wasn't
going
to
make
anything
about
carrick.
I
really
appreciate
the
people
that
are
here,
I'm
for
the
vineyard
and
for
the
menders.
I
appreciate
the
people
that
are
from
the
neighborhood
that
speak
up.
I
do
not
live
in
their
neighborhood,
so
I
appreciate
their
points.
AK
It
just
so
happens
that
those
are
the
exact
same
things
that
the
menders
care
about
and
they're
trying
to
bring
a
business
into
the
community,
and
I
think
when
you
look
at
what
they're
trying
to
do
and
what
they've
said,
I
wasn't
going
to
make
this
about
character,
because
but
a
lot
of
people
here
have,
I
will
vouch
for
their
character.
I
think
they're,
wonderful,
young
people
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
bring
it
and
bring
a
good
endeavor
to
the
community.
AK
Surely
a
compromise
can
be
reached.
If
not,
I
have
been
to
the
vineyard.
I
don't
endorse
people,
I
don't
know,
and
I
don't
enforce
endorse
activities.
I
haven't
seen
I've
seen
their
winery
in
action
in
downtown
boise.
I've
actually
helped
them
smash
grapes,
it's
a
beautiful
setting.
I
think
you
should
go
out
and
see
it.
I
understand
why
the
people
that
live
there
do-
and
I
think
that
winery
complements
that
area
very
well.
Change
is
coming
to
idaho.
It's
terrible!
AK
I
if
you,
if
you
love
the
rule,
but
it's
coming
it's
coming
to
every
single
neighborhood
that
we
all
live
in,
we're
all
going
to
have
to
endure
it.
That's
just
a
fact:
if
not
this
business,
then
what
business?
If
not
these
good
people
and
what
good
people,
I
think
a
compromise
can
be
met.
Thank
you.
A
Q
Mr
chairman
and
commissioners,
thank
you
for
hosting
the
meeting
first
of
all,
at
6
pm
at
night
versus
during
the
day
when
everyone's
working,
that's
very
much
appreciated.
Can
you
state
your
name
for
the
record?
My
apologies
amy
welch.
I
live
at
2807,
west,
homer
road
in
eagle,
so
many
comments
have
already
been
made.
Dave
castro
did
a
great
job
representing
the
community
at
large
and
all
of
the
people
who
have
spoken.
So
I
will
just
briefly
say
as
ada
county
residents.
Q
We
are
excluded
from
eagle
city
voting,
so
we
don't
have
a
voice
regarding
the
master
plan
voting
for
against
candidates,
individuals
who
are
not
only
approving
but
planning
and
driving
the
decisions
being
made.
Q
We
are
represented
by
ada
county
and
as
ada
county
residents.
We
faithfully
pay
our
taxes
to
the
city
of
eagle
by
way
of
ada
county,
and
so
my
question
is:
where
is
our
representation
surrounding
the
master
plan
and
changes
to
the
rules
and
the
regulations
and
the
laws
in
place
in
place
when
all
these
properties
were
purchased
where's
our
representation,
as
we
oppose
the
3100
sellers
cup
tonight?
A
Y
My
name's
earl
sullivan,
I'm
the
I
live
at
5514
west
school
ridge,
road
in
unincorporated,
ada
county.
I
am
the
owner
and
headwind
maker
for
talaya,
which
is
where
3100
sellers
has
been
doing
their
production
since
the
inception.
Y
I
am
also
a
two-time
governor
appointed
wine
commissioner
to
the
idaho
wine
and
grape
growers
commission,
and
can
answer
questions
about
the
wine
industry
and
winemaking,
because
I
think
there
is
a
lack
of
facts
and
understanding
around
what
a
winery
is
and
what
it
takes
to
run.
A
small
boutique
winery.
We
are
considered
a
small
winery
at
5
000
cases.
Y
You've
already
heard
that
3100
sellers
is
about
a
thousand
cases,
and
so
I
can
give
kind
of
some
context
that,
but
more
importantly,
the
grape
industry
is
the
fastest
growing
ag
industry
in
the
state
of
idaho.
It
brings
over
200
million
dollars
in
economic
impact
to
the
state
of
idaho,
and
it's
one
of
the
more
responsible
ways
for
the
preservation
of
agriculture
to
invest.
In
a
vineyard.
Y
It
takes
20
to
25
000,
an
acre
in
infrastructure
and
time
and
labor
to
get
that
vineyard
up
to
speed
it's
three
years
from
the
time
you
plant
your
vineyard
to
the
first
fruit,
it's
about
five
years
to
the
time
you
have
your
first
viable
fruit,
so
it's
not
a
fly
by
night
investment
and
or
something
that
easily
changes.
So
it's
a
long-term
way
to
preserve
agriculture.
Y
Y
Y
AL
A
Okay,
mary
parsons.
AM
Oh,
my
name
is
mary
parsons
I
live
at
590,
west
2
rivers
drive,
I
own
the
property.
I
really
have
nothing
else
to
say
other
than
growing.
Grapes
is
a
great
fit
for
this
area
and
I'm
listening
to
everybody
talk
about
their
individual
property
rights,
and
not
only
am
I
wanting
to
grow
grapes,
I
want
to
grow
community
and
I
think
that
that's
what
the
flower
people
want
to
do-
it's
it's
gatherings
and
and
and
the
wine
business
is
not
a
noisy
business.
AM
A
A
You,
okay,
we
have
lee
lee
parsons.
AN
AN
Most
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
the
neighbors
and
other
people
is
have
been
addressed
by
the
restrictions
placed
on
the
cup
and
I
think
that
the
misunderstandings
arise
from
the
matter
of
scale,
which
you
just
heard
from
marshall
mender.
As
far
as
the
number
of
cases
and
from
earl
sullivan
and
mary.
I
AN
Instance,
the
number
of
trucks
brought
in
last
year:
it
was
five
loads
and
a
pickup
truck,
no
semi
trucks
are
bringing
grapes.
It's
not.
This
is
not
a
huge
wine
production
agreed
to
abide
by
the
commissioner's
limitations
on
our
cup
and
understand
that
most
of
the
concerns
have
already
been
addressed
and
we're
unaware
of
other
wineries
being
similarly
restricted,
but
to
get
along
with
our
neighbors.
We
agree
to
these
limitations.
AN
AN
A
AJ
A
U
U
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
argue
for
viticulture.
It's
not
about
viticulture.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
property
rights.
I
do
believe
it
is
a
property
rights
issue,
I'd
like
to
read
from
ada
code,
section,
819,
preservation
of
private
property
rights,
section
a
this
title
shall
be
interpreted
to
equally
protect
citizens
from
the
undue
encroachment
of
their
private
property
by
their
neighbors
use
of
their
private
property
and
equally
protect
each
citizen's
right
to
use
of
their
property
without
creating
undue
burden
upon
their
neighbors.
U
I
don't
believe
that
the
cup
does
that.
I
don't
think
it
protects
the
neighbors
in
the
direct
vicinity
of
this
facility
and
I
think
it
changes
the
character
of
the
homeroom
corridor
of
the
eagle
foothills
that
is
constantly
under
attack
by
enterprises
to
not
make
it
a
rural
residential
area.
It's
the
last
place
left.
U
U
I
don't
want
your
complicated
drivers.
Potentially.
This
is
not
why
we
live
where
we
live.
I
feel
awful
for
people
who've
been
there
40
years,
like
that,
other
woman
who
testified
it's
heartbreaking,
the
rest
of
us.
We
got
soaked,
we
spent
a
lot
of
money
to
live
where
we
live,
because
we
don't
want
to
be
down
in
the
city
we
don't
want
to
have
to
put
up
with
a
restaurant
and
entertainment
district.
U
I
have
no
ill
will
against
this
family
doing
what
they
want
to
do.
I
think
it's
an
honorable
profession,
as
I
say,
good
luck.
We
don't
want
an
event
center
social
hall,
whatever
you
call
it
and
frankly,
I'm
just
I'm
perplexed
as
to
how
this
structure
got
approved
in
a
rural
residential
neighborhood.
I
I
don't
understand
that
it's
not
a
house
nobody's
lived
there
and
now
what
was
kind
of
a
house
is
going
to
be
decommissioned?
U
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
against
agricultural
businesses,
I'm
not
against
these
people.
It's
just
it's
not
appropriate
for
the
laws
that
are
on
the
book
for
the
zoning.
That's
in
the
area
and
I'd
ask
you
to
please
seriously
consider
upholding
mr
castro's
appeal
for
this.
Thank
you.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
AO
AP
AP
I
am
a
retired
traffic
bureau
commander
with
25
years
of
law
enforcement
experience.
I
have
investigated
hundreds
of
in
injury
accidents,
many
that
involve
drunk
driving
as
a
primary
collision
factor
that
many
of
them
have
resulted
in
fatalities
in
our
city
after
retirement.
I
lived
in
the
middle
of
wine
country
in
temecula
california,
which
is
in
riverside
county
that
grew
from
one
winery
to
21
within
six
years.
AP
AP
Unfortunately,
north
park
lane
is
a
descending
roadway
southbound
towards
these
schools
and
a
church
at
floating
feather
this
ramp
style
design
encourages
many
motorists
to
accelerate
too
fast
and
reckless
drive
in
a
40
mile
per
hour
zone.
It
is
not
uncommon
to
witness
several
local
citizens
traveling
over
the
speed
limit.
AP
Yes,
sir,
it
is
not
uncommon
to
witness
drivers
successfully
driving
20
to
30
miles
over
the
speed
limit,
drunk
driving
kills,
and
I
hope
that
you
take
firm
notice
that
if
people
are
making
bad
decisions
after
being
buzzed
that
can
cause
some
of
our
children
in
the
neighborhood
to
be
hurt
tremendously.
I
I
have
a.
AP
AR
I'm
kimberly
brown,
I
live
at
4847,
north
skyline
drive
and
the
little
green
area
right
below
dave
castro.
I
want
to
second
everything
he
said
he
really
did
represent
us.
Well,
I
crossed
off
a
lot
of
things,
but
there
are
a
few.
AR
My
main
concern
is
for
my
children
and
our
neighbors,
the
road
there
it's
a
rural
road,
it's
real
residential,
that's
what
it
is.
It
wasn't
made
for
traffic,
and
I
know
even
just
as
it
currently
is.
AR
If
there's
a
bicycle,
we
have
to
leave
three
feet
of
room,
and
I
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
them
that
if
there's
an
oncoming
car,
it's
usually
we
wait
for
the
other
one
and
it's
wide
enough
open
that
we
can,
and
only
one
of
us
pass
the
bicyclist
at
a
time
or
the
mom
with
her
stroller
or
whatever.
But
it
there's
not
really
enough
room
and
if
a
car's
parked
there,
it's
even
more
dangerous
than
it
already
is.
AR
We
go
back
and
forth,
probably
a
minimum
of
two
times
a
day,
easily
six
to
eight
times
on
a
busy
day
depending
on
their
schedules,
and
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
them
going
and
having
those
those
extra
traffic
things
as
well
as
the
intoxication
possibilities.
I
there
was
a
comment
made
about:
oh
improving
the
wine
scene.
Well,
we
didn't
move
there
to
bring
our
children
up
in
a
wine
scene.
AR
We
brought
it
to
be
in
a
nice
country,
calm
atmosphere
and
we've
been
there
over
a
decade
and
it
scares
and
concerns
us.
AR
If
there
was
like
sidewalks
or
curbs
or
lighting
or
a
wider
road,
I
could
see
this
as
oh
workable,
but
I
think
that's
why
someone
just
bring
it
up.
It's
not
conducive
to
this
kind
of
thing.
This
type
of
growth
isn't
appropriate
here.
I
think
we're
okay
with
the
agricultural
part,
but
put
the
business
part
in
the
business
area
or
their
garden
city
thing,
just
we're:
okay
with
agriculture,
it's
the
business
and
commercial
that
concerns
us
that
we'll
pay
the
price
for.
Thank
you
thank.
A
R
R
Nor
do
I
have
the
streets
that
and
traffic
for
beef
tasting,
that's
a
commercial
use
and
I
don't
think
it
fits
in
where
we
live
up
there.
That's
my
first
point.
Second
point:
we've
talked
and
there's
been
different
ones.
A
minimum
of
50
percent
of
the
grapes
being
in
this
winery
are
going
to
be
brought.
I
R
There's
no
anything
on
these
conditional
use
permits
on.
When
can
these
trucks
bring
the
grapes
what
size
of
trucks
can
bring
in
we've
already
heard
about
how
small
these
roads
are?
So
there
needs
to
be
some
conditional
use
of
importing
these
grapes
and
my
last
one
as
we
they
were.
They
were
talking
about
drunk
driving.
So
I'm
not
talking
about
that.
R
R
R
AG
AO
Thank
you
good
evening,
commissioners.
My
name
is
jonathan
seal.
I
live
at
2906,
north
haven
drive,
my
property
basically
board
does
border
home
or
road.
Contrary
to
what
one
individual
said.
AO
I've
lived
there
for
28
years
and
many
of
the
residents
up
there
are
long-term
residents
also
just
a
couple
things
because
I
think
most
of
stuff,
I
would
say,
is
already
redress
so
I'll
save
that
twin
oaks
farm,
which
the
the
attorney
said
was
on
beat
up,
was
on
valentine
it's
on
eagle
road,
it's
north
of
of
of
beacon
light,
and
it's
been
there
for
a
long
time,
red
chair
lavender.
They
have
one
event
a
year
and
yes,
it
is
a
pain.
There
is
a
lot
of
parking
on
the
street.
AO
I
know
it's
illegal,
but
we
bear
with
it
because
it's
one
day
event
and
we
can
live
with
that.
So
having
said
that,
a
couple
other
things
I
just
want
to
clarify
up.
She
mentioned
about
harvesting
the
grapes
and
said
22,
I
believe,
22
to
23
days
a
week.
If
you
look
at
their
application,
there's
potential
that
they
could
operate
24
hours
a
day
during
that
period.
AO
So
again,
imagine
if
they're
processing
grapes
and
I'm
not
saying
they're
going
to,
but
the
potential
that
that
could
be
seven
days,
seven
days
a
week,
24
hours
a
day
for
that
period
of
time.
She
also
talked
to
you,
ms
minder,
about
the
large
events
and
she
used
the
term
uber.
In
the
last
presentation
she
said
that
they
would
be
using
buses
to
bring
in
the
people
in
for
these
large
events.
So
there's
another
concern.
We
talk
about
is
traffic
at
night
with
large
events
also
in
there.
AO
She
talks
about
the
the
trucks
because
they
don't
get
all
the
grapes
from
this
from
this
region.
She
mentioned
two
pickup
trucks,
but
I
don't
recall
in
the
past
that
that
was
that
there
was
potentially
only
a
couple:
pickup
trucks
with
trailers.
AO
So
that
begs
the
question,
especially
when
you've
got
three
acres
for
wine.
You've
got
the
potential
for
an
8,
000
square
foot
wine
processing
facility.
I'm
not
an
expert
this,
but
that
begs
the
question:
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
traffic
than
that.
So
I
think
these
are
some
of
the
things
to
consider
and
weigh
in
your
evaluation.
AO
AQ
Anyway,
I
live
on
deerfield,
which
is
just
south
of
homer
road
by
where
this
proposed
winery.
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
few
things
about
rights,
responsibility
and
respect.
People
have
the
right
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
with
their
properties
to
grow
grapes.
They
can,
you
know,
sell
them.
That's
fine,
but
also,
I
think
responsibility
and
respect
sometimes
have
to
temper
rights.
My
mom
used
to
say
you
can
do
anything
you
want.
AQ
You
have
the
right
to
do
anything
until
it
starts
to
adversely
affect
somebody
else,
and
I
truly
believe
that
so
you've
heard
a
lot
of
things
why
this
would
adversely
affect
my
neighborhood,
my
house
and
the
place
I
live.
I've
been
there
for
22
years
so
anyway.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
Thanks.
Thank.
AD
E
A
E
Okay,
so
I'm
just
gonna
state
this,
it's
nine
o'clock
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
folks
home
at
a
reasonable
hour.
So
you
don't
have
to
take
up
the
full
three
minutes.
I
think
we're
getting
the
the
gist
of
it.
So
really,
unless
you
have
something
new
to
add
to
the
conversation,
you
don't
have
to
get
up
here
and
spend
three
minutes,
but
if
you
want
to
we're
happy
to
hear
that
too,
but
I
do
want
to
respect
that
people
have
children
at
home,
they
have
babysitters.
E
A
AS
It's
okay.
It's
rarely
said
correctly.
It's
mark
pascali,
oh
my
family
and
I
own
rolling
hills
vineyard.
We
live
at
4562
north
burke
place.
We
live
a
little
less
than
probably
about
a
mile
from
the
mender's
property,
I'm
in
here
and
supported
3
100
sellers,
and
I
have
a
lot
of
notes.
I
only
have
three
minutes
and
there's
been
a
lot
said,
so
I'm
going
to
throw
away
the
notes
and
speak
from
the
heart.
AS
AS
We
should
be
working
together,
not
against
one
another.
We
are
not
the
problem.
The
problem
is
coming
linder.
Road
is
going
through.
The
eagle
foothills
ava
is
50,
000
acres.
You
could
put
500
000
people
in
that
area.
Is
that
going
to
happen?
Probably
not?
Is
it
going
to
be
half
what
about
the
open
space?
AS
What
are
you
going
to
do
about
it?
What
about
the
open
space?
What
about
the
agriculture?
What
about
property
rights?
I
understand
and
share
every
concern
in
this
room,
but
if
you
want
to
shut
down
the
eagle
foothills
and
the
wine
industry
vote
against
it
all,
because
that's
what
will
happen,
I'm
on
the
idaho
wine
commission.
AS
AG
A
Okay,
I'm
sorry
martial,
mender
already
went
barbara
fairbanks
you've
already
gone
too.
Have
you.
I
have
not
gone
okay,
barbara
I'll,
be
sure.
Okay,.
AT
I'm
barbara
fairbanks
8602
west
high
ridge
lane
and
although
my
husband
keith
hill
and
I
are
not
directly
impacted
by
3
100
sellers,
we
are
definitely
directly
impacted
and
negatively
impacted
by
the
winery.
That's
close
to
us
and
that's
why
I'm
here,
because
I
wanted
to
support
the
neighbors,
like
others
who
have
spoken,
my
husband
and
I
have
been
planning
retirement
for
three
years
now.
We
bought
our
property
three
years
ago
and
we're
about
a
month
away
from
moving
in
and
we
would
not
have
done
that.
AT
Had
we
known
what
was
coming,
we
we
do
feel
like
the
ghost
of
wineries
passed,
because
we
have
experienced
everything
that
has
been
talked
about
tonight.
I'm
not
going
to
quote
the
code
and
stuff
that's
already
been
quoted,
but
I
did
want
to
say.
AT
I
understand,
and
I
appreciate
that
commissioners
want
to
respect
the
property
rights
of
these
landowners
and
say
I
don't
want
to
tell
them
what
they
can
and
can't
do
with
their
property,
and
I
agree
with
that.
But
I
just
ask
that
you
also
consider
the
rights
of
the
homeowners
that
want
to
enjoy
their
outdoor
areas
on
their
property
anytime.
They
wish,
rather
than
having
to
stay
inside
because
there's
an
event
going
on
and
when
people
are
drinking
wine
hour
after
hour,
they
get
loud
and
the
more
people.
They
are
the
louder
they
get.
AT
So
to
me,
it's
okay,
occasionally
loud
noise
and
traffic
from
a
neighbor's
property.
That's
no
big
deal
it's
when
the
instances
become
regular
and
frequent
occurrences
like
these
events
that
they
become
adverse
effects
to
adjacent
uses,
as
is
in
the
code.
So
I
trust
and
hope
that
you'll
support
tonight's
appeal.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
AD
AU
I'm
brenda
ballentine.
I
live
at
2831,
west
deerfield
court.
Some
other
people
here
have
already
talked
about
living
on.
Deerfield
live
right
near
them,
and
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
say
because
it's
all
been
said,
but
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
we
have
no
problem
with
the
agriculture,
the
growing
of
grapes,
the
making
of
wine.
It's
the
commercial
part
of
it
that
we're
concerned
about
my
in-laws.
Obviously
valentine
you've
heard
the
name
the
streets
right
there,
my
in-laws
had
a
dairy
farm
off
of
floating
feather
before
my
husband
was
even
born.
AU
A
A
A
Before
we
allow
for
a
rebuttal,
I'm
going
to
pose
the
question:
is
there
anyone
out
there
that
wanted
to
speak?
That
hasn't
had
a
chance
to?
I
think
the
back
of
that
page.
There's
names
on
it.
A
S
Kenneth
ebert
2396
west
buckhorn
port
eagle
board
of
commissioners
just
to
clarify,
and
I'm
in
favor
of
the
appeal
and
I
oppose
the
cut.
We
all
moved
and
lived
in
this
area
to
maintain
a
rural
residential
feel.
That
is
what
keeps
the
neighborhood
unique
and
serene
with
that
said,
I
would
like
you
to
imagine
yourself
being
in
a
rural
neighborhood,
where
each
person
owns
a
piece
of
land.
S
Each
person
has
a
house
on
the
land
and
they
call
home
they
have
they
have
and
are
raising
families
on
each
person
has
been
farming
their
land
and
want
and
putting
crops
they
want
on
it.
With
that
said,
all
the
neighbors
get
along
whether
they
find
their
own
business
without
being
a
nuisance
to
one
another.
S
We
all
moved
and
lived
live
in
this
area
to
maintain
our
rural
residential
feel.
That
is
what
keeps
our
neighborhood
the
way
it
is
pretty
nice.
This
neighborhood
is
mine
and
a
lot
of
people
sitting
behind
me.
S
S
That,
in
return
will
bring
intoxicated
driveways
to
my
neighborhood,
creating
potential
hazards.
This
cup
will
bring
increased
traffic
loud
noise,
ruining
the
serenity
of
my
neighborhood,
the
shop
at
3,
100
sellers
sits
on
a
hill
overlooks,
90
or
so
of
the
homes.
In
my
neighborhood,
I
can
see
it
see
the
see
it
on
the
hill
from
my
backyard
and
my
house
is
a
thousand
feet
from
beacon
light.
S
S
Noise
from
this
location
and
increased
traffic
will
affect
everyone
in
the
neighborhood
and
beyond.
If
this
cup
gets
approved,
it's
only
going
to
create
a
domino
effect
for
others
to
bring
events
and
commercial
occupancy
to
the
neighborhood
there's
already
one
that
is
going
in
front
of
the
board
tomorrow
and
they're,
pushing
for
even
more
events
and
food
trucks.
S
3100
sellers
is
a
business
owned
by
someone
living
outside
our
neighborhood,
not
a
resident
in
our
neighborhood,
with
the
amount
of
residents
here
in
person
and
watching
opposed
to
the
cup
and
in
favor
of
the
appeal
tonight.
I
ask
you
to
uphold
your
mission
statement.
We
are
partners
and
leaders
in
our
communities.
Our
decisions
are
informed
by
the
commitment
to
protecting
the
quality
of
life
of
every
resident
of
ada
county
in
a
physical
responsible
manner.
I
am
kindly
asking
you
for
full
denial
on
this
cup
and
in
favor
of
the
appeal.
E
Thank
you,
but
which
position
are
you
taking?
I
am
opposed.
AO
B
I
didn't
sign
up,
but
I
come
on
up
to
the
mic.
E
A
State
your
name,
an
address
for
the
record.
Please.
B
My
name
is
ashley
gowell.
I
live
at
405,
east
highland
view
drive
here
in
boise.
I
I
wanted
to
rise
and
and
speak
against
the
appeal
and
for
the
mentors,
as
I
sat
there,
I
didn't
intend
to
speak
is,
but
I
sat
there.
It
seems
like
the
characterization
of
the
winery
and
what
the
business
actually
happens.
There
has
been
demonized
and
created
into
into
trucks
and
grapes
coming
from
all
over
the
world.
B
I
think
the
nature
of
it
is
much
smaller
and
lee
described
well
that
it
was
five
trucks,
pickup
trucks
last
year
with
a
couple
of
flat
beds
and
I
don't
think,
there's
room
to
grow
where
we
have
beepers
and
backup,
beepers
and
and
semi
trucks
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
I
just
wanted
to
rise.
I
didn't
have
to
comment
on.
I
think
that
the
nature
of
the
business
has
been
demonized
and
the
the
gentleman
that
owns
the
talia
probably
put
it
more
in
perspective.
B
P
I'll
keep
it
under
three
eric
needham,
my
own
property
on
homer
road,
50
300
is
the
address
and
just
wanted
to
bring
up
a
couple
things
that
have
been
brought,
and
I
appreciate
all
the
neighbors
concerns
over
noise
and
the
lights
and
all
those
things,
and
I
think
that
all
has
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
However,
the
hard
part
about
about
winery
is-
and
I
would
love
to
do
grapes
as
well,
and
I
love
the
agriculture,
but
you
really
can't
do
it.
It's
not
sustainable
without
doing
a
micro
winery.
P
Another
part
that
you
know
the
viticulture
helps
is,
for
example,
the
sagebrush.
I
had
to
dispose
a
bunch
of
sagebrush
and
it's
so
flammable,
and
it's
just
so
dangerous,
but
but
grapes
is
a
great
way
to
preserve
the
open
concept
of
it,
and
I
certainly
understand
all
the
concerns,
but
with
able
to
address
those
with
keeping
it
having
a
small
micro.
Winery
is
a
way
to
make
it
sustainable,
because
really
you
can't
without
that
it
is
tough.
P
So
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
come
to
some
compromises
and
not
have
to
worry
about
the
light
noise,
the
noise
itself
and
some
of
the
other
concerns
to
make
this
a
viable
option
for
our
community.
A
A
M
M
M
M
I
also
wanted
to
comment
on
the
wine
club
pickup
wine
club
pickup
is
not
an
event.
An
event
involves
entertainment
and
congregation
of
people
for
extended
hours,
creating
noise
and
other
problems.
We
have
no
problem
with
people
who
want
to
drive
up
there
and
pick
up
a
case
of
wine
and
leave
it's
the
party
atmosphere
or
tasting
selling
of
alcoholic
beverages
and
whatnot
that
we're
opposed
to
miss
bender's
also
stated
in
her
own
words
several
times
that
they
do
not
wish
to
have
events
and
that
smaller
scale
tastings
are
more
successful.
M
So
my
question
is:
why
then,
is
she
so
adamant
at
insisting
on
having
these
both
smaller
and
larger
events?
I
also
wanted
to
clarify
something
that
mr
letson
pointed
out.
As
far
as
the
property
proximities.
There
are
actually
14
properties
within
a
thousand
feet
of
this
facility
and,
as
has
been
mentioned
tonight,
the
noise
carries
much
further
than
a
thousand
feet
up
in
the
foothills.
I
mean
we
can
hear
noise
from
you
know,
half
a
mile
away.
M
Finally,
you
heard
some
rather
absurd
allegations
that
our
intentions
are
misguided
and
not
based
in
fact
or
law,
despite
the
fact
that
I
presented
all
the
code
violations
and
supported
them.
With
fact,
I
think
earlier,
one
of
the
documents
that
I
wanted
to
have
shown
was
actually
the
wrong
one.
I
think
you.
M
We've
outlined
several
issues
tonight
with
this
permit,
most,
notably,
that
these
wineries
do
not
meet
social
hall
and
recreational
designation,
as
suggested
by
planning
and
zoning.
They
are
no
more
recreational
than
any
other
commercial
operation,
including
bars,
restaurants
and
other
venues
selling,
and
serving
alcohol
and
providing
entertainment.
M
The
neighbors
and
residents
of
this
district
community
and
community
have
no
problem
with
the
agricultural
operation
of
growing
grapes
and
processing
those
grapes
into
wine.
We
do,
however,
however,
take
issue
with
the
social
hall
designation
and
the
allowance
of
noisy
and
disruptive
events
in
quiet
residential
neighborhoods,
along
with
potentially
allowing
further
commercialized
processing
of
wine
from
other
vintners
on
the
property.
If
you
set
this
precedent,
there
are
already
several
other
applications
for
similar
event.
Centers
already
in
process
and
other
wineries
are
watching.
What
happens
tonight
and
preparing
their
own
applications?
M
We
did
not
move
here
to
be
subjected
to
the
dangers
of
dui
and
this
carnival
atmosphere,
and
this
is
an
infringement
on
our
property
rights
as
citizens
who
have
abided
by
the
code
restrictions
in
building
our
homes
and
expect
the
same
from
every
other
landowner
in
the
area.
Without
special
concessions
for
commercial
operations,
3100
sellers
already
has
facilities
to
process
wine
and
provide
for
tastings
in
a
district
zone
for
such
in
garden
city,
along
with
several
other
wineries
in
that
vicinity.
M
This
allows
for
wine
enthusiasts
to
sample
wines
from
many
vintners
within
walking
distance
of
one
another
and
encourages
them
to
use
other
transportation
options
that
discourage
driving
while
impaired,
you
still
receive
their
tax
revenue
from
this
operation,
where
it
currently
resides
your
mission
statement
from
the
commission
website
states.
Our
decisions
are
informed
by
a
commitment
to
protecting
the
quality
of
life
of
every
resident
of
ada
county
in
a
fiscally
responsive
manner.
M
You
have
an
opportunity
tonight
to
show
that
you
are
dedicated
to
protecting
over
200
ada
county
residents,
quality
of
life.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
correct
what
amounts
to
government
action
without
foundation,
infringing
on
the
rights
and
civil
liberties
of
residents
in
this
area.
You
have
an
opportunity
to
tonight
to
mitigate
the
damages,
potentially
resulting
from
this
permit,
so
that
it
doesn't
reach
the
already
burden
court
system.
Please
do
not
destroy
what
we
value
over
what
amounts
to
a
small
amount
of
tax
revenue
and
an
additional
strain
on
county
services.
AG
N
Okay,
chairman
commissioners,
both
that
exhibit
and
the
presentations
will
be
added
as
exhibits
and.
E
A
Close
the
public
hearing
on
application
number
two:
zero:
two
one:
zero
two
zero
two,
two
a
mr
david
castro,
and
it
is
now
in
the
hands
of
the
commission-
and
I
want
to
say
at
the
outset
that
one
of
the
items
or
one
of
the
areas
that
I've
tried
to
adhere
to
as
a
commissioner
is
that
we
can
disagree
without
being
disagreeable.
A
And
I
think
we've
we've
had
a
mostly
a
respectful
evening,
and-
and
I
appreciate
that
fact
so
with
that.
What's
the
pleasure
of
the
board.
E
Well
I'll
kick
off
deliberations.
This
is
where
you
guys
get
to
listen
to
us.
Talk
it
through.
Let's
see
if
we've
been
listening
or
not
so
this
is
you
know,
I
just
want
to
say.
I
really
appreciate
everybody's
input
and
testimony
here
tonight
and
you
know
we're
trying
to
do
the
best
that
we
can
between
balancing
the
rights
of
property
owners
and
then
the
rights
to
you
know
to
have
a
peaceful
and
quiet
rural
neighborhood
as
well,
and
so
I'm
going
to
just
kind
of
go
through.
E
If
you
don't
mind,
commissioners,
all
the
points
that
I
think
we
need
to
either
come
up
with
the
condition
of
approval
or
maybe
get
some
additional
information
on.
So
here
I
go
and
also
I
want
everyone
to
know
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
updating
our
code.
It's
about
30
years
old
and
we've
decided
to
do
a
viticulture
overlay
and
try
to
get
consistent
with
all
of
the
vietnamese
all
the
wineries
that
are
coming
on,
because
we
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
an
ongoing
issue,
and
we
do.
E
So
I
think
you
know
we
all
want
to
see
agriculture
preservation
here
and
what
I
heard
tonight
I
think
loud
and
clear,
is
that
no
one
really
has
an
issue
with
growing
the
grapes,
with
small
production
of
the
grapes
in
a
boutique
sort
of
environment
and
with
a
small
wine
tasting
room.
It
seems
to
me
that
the
issue
and
there's
some
things
around,
that
that
we
need
to
work
through
the
lighting
and
trucks
times.
The
trucks
can
come
in
things
like
that.
So
we'll
go
through
that.
E
You
know
small
wine
tasting
room
in
a
production
vineyard,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
to
recommend
is
for
now
that
we
we're
going
to
have
to
table
this
to
work
through
all
of
these.
E
So
there's
going
to
have
to
be
some
residential
on
there,
whether
that's
the
family
or
that
staff
that
work
there,
that
doesn't
matter,
but
it
has
to
be
primary
residential
or
the
rest
of
it
doesn't
make
any
sense.
So
again,
I
think
we
need
to
check
with
cdh
to
see
what
the
requirements
of
decommissioning
the
living
space
was
and
kind
of
work
through
that,
I
think
the
production.
I
think,
because
it
is
just
two
months
out
of
the
year.
I
think
that
we
can
really
mitigate
the
noise
and
whatnot.
E
I
think
we
can
look
at
motion
lights,
so
the
lights
in
the
evening
only
go
on.
If,
if
you
know
truck
or
whatnot
is
there,
I
think
we
can
look
at
limiting
the
size
of
the
trucks.
E
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that's
going
to
look
like,
but
they're
not
going
to
be
large,
semi
trucks,
so
I
think
we
need
more
information
on
what's
a
reasonable
size
truck
to
limit
that
size
to
the
type
of
road.
That's
there.
We've
heard
plenty
of
testimony
here
tonight
saying
that
this
is
a
you
know:
it's
like
a
rural
road.
I
get
it.
I
have
property
out
in
that
area,
so
I
understand
what
what
kind
of
road
it
is.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
access,
ingress
and
egress
is
appropriate.
E
Also,
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
production
hours,
even
though
it's
limited
to
a
couple
of
months
that
it
doesn't
go
be
you
know
I
think
10
o'clock
at
night
would
probably
be
reasonable.
E
It
can
start
at
maybe
seven
in
the
morning
and
go
till
ten
at
night
and
again
I
think
eight
is
what
we're
hearing
eight
eight
to
ten.
I'm
good
with
that,
and
then
I
think
that
the
parking
spaces
we'll
get
to
the
parking
spaces
a
little
bit
later.
The
wine,
let's
address
the
wine
tasting,
the
wine
tasting
again
needs
to
be
by
appointment
only,
and
I
think
that
what
was
the
original
or
what
was
png's
recommendation,
20
people
five
times
a
week.
N
Chairman,
madam
or
commissioner
kenyon,
it
was
in
the
detailed
letter.
It
was
12
to
five
for
tastings,
as
requested
by
the
applicant,
that
was
expanded
to
eight
to
eight.
E
Okay,
I'd
like
to
put
a
number
on
that,
I
think
12
to
5
is
fine
for
wine
tasting
in
a
rural
community
residential
area,
and
I
think,
probably
no
more
than
help
me
out
here,
10
to
20
five
days
a
week.
People.
E
I
think
only
the
events
that
occur.
The
large
event
is
the
the
wine
tasting
pickup
events,
and
I
totally
get
it
that
that's
a
time
for
people
to
engage,
and
they
appreciate
the
aesthetics
and
the
ambiance
of
being
in
the
vineyard.
I
mean
that's
really
kind
of
what
it's
all
about.
E
It's,
not
the
same
wine
tasting
in
garden
city
people
want
to
see
where,
where
the
grapes
are
grown
and
the
wine
that
they're
drinking
and
that's
a
really
important
component,
I
think
to
the
experience
and
to
the
brand
and
the
business,
and
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
as
we
work
with.
So
we
worked
really
well
with
central
district
health
during
covid,
where
people
had
the
opportunity
to
have
like
two
200
at
a
gathering,
but
we
had
to
limit
it
because
of
covid.
E
So
I'm
thinking
we
can
kind
of
do
the
same
thing
here
that
we
can
limit
it
to
no
more
than
50
people
on
the
property.
At
a
time
for
no
more
than
I
would
say,
like
probably
three
hours
would
get
them
through
a
tour
whether
they
were
doing
a
nice
light
dinner
or
snacks
with
the
wine
wine
pairings.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
I'd
like
to
put
that
in
there.
I
think
somebody
mentioned
laser
lights.
If
they've
got
lasers,
I
don't
think
we
want
lasers
out
there
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that.
E
X
E
Okay,
so
we'll
have
the
blazers
moved
away
from
any
neighbors
that
can
see
those.
I
think
the
we
have
firewise
landscaping
already
in
there
because
they
are
in
the
foothills.
And
what
else
do
I
have
consistent
commercial
any
limits
and
it
looks
like
it's
their
their
case.
Production
is
only
right
around
a
thousand,
so
that
is
really
a
small
boutique
winery.
A
But
there
is
one
that
I
would
that
we
need
to
actually
clarify
and-
and
that
will
require
us
to
go
into
executive
session,
which
we'll
not
do
now,
because
we
can't
accept
legal
advice
in
an
open
session
like
this,
and
that
is
the
code
violations.
A
I
think
we
should
add
that
to
the
to
the
tabling
motion,
because
we
do
need
to
find
out
if
there's
code
violations
and
if
there
are
code
violations,
we
need
to
address
those.
E
And
mr
chair,
just
going
back
to
the
events,
I
I
think
the
two,
the
two
pick
up.
Events
are
fine
a
year,
but
I
want
to
limit
it
to
that
right
now
and
not
have
any
other
events,
at
least
for
for
the
time
being,
until
they
can
establish
that
they
can
meet
all
these
requirements,
because
this
isn't
an
area,
and
I
think
this
is
an
issue
that
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with.
The
planning
and
zoning
is
going
to
have
to
deal
with
is
all
of
these
so-called
farms,
agriculture
properties.
A
N
E
Not
for
now
it's
not
a
social
hall.
No,
this
is
an
event
center.
This
is,
we
want
to
establish
a
boutique
winery
with
limited
wine
tasting,
that's
controlled
in
a
production
facility,
and
I
think
that
so
the
parking
should
not
be
an
issue.
I
think
commissioner
davidson
had
issues
with
parking
spaces,
but
I
think
we're
limiting
that
event
activity
and
then
I
think
they
come
back.
I
like
the
idea
that
planning
and
zoning
said
come
back
in
a
year.
Let's
review.
E
J
I
don't
know
if
it
should
be
in
our
hands
at
this
moment,
because
we're
dealing
with
such
specifics,
I
mean
how
how
many
lights,
how
bright
should
they
be,
and
I
almost
feel
like
we
should
remand
this
back
to
the
neighborhood
meeting
part
of
the
process,
because
you
know,
based
on
the
testimony
I
heard,
and
this
is
kind
of
becoming
a
familiar
story,
but
the
the
vision
that's
presented
to
the
neighbors
morphs
or
becomes
something
else
after
the
neighborhood
meeting,
and
so
my
suggestion
would
be
that
we
send
this
back
to
the
neighborhood
meetings.
J
E
Well,
mr
chair,
I
think
we
can
we
can
do
both.
I
think
we
can
do
both.
I
think
you
can't
really
remand
it
back
to
them.
That's.
L
Not
a
suggestion,
yeah,
I
think
one
of
the
things
you
wanted
staff
to
talk
to
central
district
health
about
the
residential
part.
So
that's
going
to
give
some
new
information,
so
my
suggestion
would
be
tonight.
Is
you
really
should
re
say
the
public
hope
hearing
is
going
to
be
is
reopened
because
you're
going
to
take
in
some
new
information
on?
Can
you.
L
L
Commissioner
davidson
makes
a
good
point.
I
think
you
could
table
this
for
a
month
or
two
weeks.
I
don't
know
what
the
name
and
have
the
neighbors
see
if
they
can
come
to
some,
because
I
see
what
you
want
to
do
you
want
you
want
to
have
a
winery
there,
but
not
some
of
these.
The
social
hall
things
troubling
thing
see
if
they
can
some
agreement
and
have
them
come
back
in
front
of
you
and
see
if
we
can
have
an
agreement
where
everybody
is
happy.
J
A
A
E
It
sounds
like
they've
had
mediation
and
it
doesn't
look
like
from
what
I
just
saw
that
they're
willing
to
do
that
again.
That's
right!
They
don't
want
to
do
that
again,
so
we're
not
going
to
go
back
to
having
them.
Have
another
meeting
we're
going
to
move
forward
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
that
we're
going
to
table
this,
because
I
think
we
need
to
keep
it
open
for
additional
information
from
central
district
health
on
the
residential.
So
we'll.
L
E
N
E
A
Is
that
we
need
to
open
the
public
hearing
again.
A
11Th,
okay,
and
for
the
specific
purpose,
we'll
we'll
open
the
public
hearing
again
for
the
specific
purpose
acts.
Would
you
care
to
articulate
the
purposes
or
leon.
N
Looking
at
truck
sizes
and
maybe
some
potential
limitations,
there
sounds
like
we're
limiting
to
two
pickup
events.
N
N
A
We
are
open
reopening
the
public
hearing
on
the
application
202-102022a.
A
J
Chair,
if
we,
when
we
come
up
with
this
new
list
of
proposed
conditions,
if
members
of
the
public
disagree
with
them,
how
do
they
get
to
speak
their
mind
on
that.
N
So,
commissioners,
I
will
say
the
I
think
the
hearing
schedule
published
on
our
website
says
june
8th.
So
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
figure
that
out,
because
I
know
that
we
have
had
some
items
going
out
for
june
8th.
So
I
think
there
was
a
conversation
about
this
when
we
were
setting
the
schedule
earlier
in
the
year,
and
that
was
the
date
that
was.
E
So
you're
scheduled
a
lot
to
reschedule
so
june
1st,
okay,
mr
chair.
Yes,
now
that
we've
reopened
the
public
hearing
for
minimal
purposes
here,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
table
202102022-a.
E
This
board
doesn't
feel
like
there's
secondary
uses
without
a
residence
and
then
the
third
is
to
somehow
find
out
what
an
appropriate
size
of
a
truck
would
be
for
the
type
of
railroads,
ingress
and
egress,
and
then
also
I'm
going
to
have
leon
read
into
the
record
everything
that
he
heard
or
the
conditions
of
approval.
N
Yes,
chairman
commissioners,
a
direction
was
given
to
staff
to
look
at
conditions
that
would
limit
the
use
to
two
pickup
events:
no
promotional
events
to
explore
the
laser
lights
associated
with
birds
and
how
those
might
better
fit
on
the
property
to
look
at
motion
lights
for
the
use
itself
to
look
at
limiting
production
hours,
potentially
stopping
those
at
eight
pm.
I
believe.
N
Limitation
of
production
months
and
hours
wine
tasting
will
be
limited
to
12,
to
5
pm
no
more
than
10
people
per
day
and
by
appointment.
No
food
trucks
allowed
on
five.
N
Yes,
that
is
existing
condition.
Do
you
want
to
so
I'm.
AO
E
That
we
get
when
we
get
the
additional
information
back
on
those
three
items
yeah.
So
I
think
also
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
like
to
explore,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
really
have
a
way
of
doing
this.
Maybe
you
can
help
out,
but
the
sound
is
there
some
kind
of
a
sound
barrier
that
we
could
explore
and
come
back
with
this
meeting
on
some
potential
sound
barriers
on
the
outdoor
tasting
room
because
it
does
set
up
high
and
most
of
the
noise
probably
goes
towards
homer
and
down
the
valley
there.
N
A
We,
if
you
could
restate
it
and
then
I'll
ask
for
a
second.
N
There
was
a
there
was
a
discussion
about
motion
lighting.
I
do
want
to
specify
that
we're
not
accepting
any
testimony
between
this
period
and
the
public
hearing
we're
only
accepting
testimony
at
the
hearing
is
that
yes,
correct
not.
A
N
N
On
emotion,
oh,
we
do
have
exhibit
numbers
for
you.
Those
four
items
would
be
21
through
24.
Just
to
let
you
know
three
presentations
and
the
additional
written
testimony
received
by
staff.
Okay,.
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
you
were
in
motion
moving
seconded
kind
of
complicated,
but
still
I'll
call
for
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
say:
aye
aye
hi
motion
carries.