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A
And
being
with
us,
as
we
went
through
our
little
five-minute
delay
for
it
issues,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
call
the
meeting
to
order
it's
thursday
august
11th.
This
is
the
ada
county
planning
and
zoning
meeting.
We'll
do
roll
call.
Brenda
blittman
is
here,
commissioner
burch
he's
here
online
commissioner
extent
here,
commissioner
wickstrom
and
commissioner
coulson
is
absent
and
I'll
just
talk
about
as
we
go
through
our
business
today.
A
We're
going
to
have
somebody
from
the
staff
present
the
project
we'll
have
the
project
owner
talk
about
the
project,
we'll
open
the
gallery
up
to
comments
from
both
in
person
and
online.
Those
comments
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
have
the
staff
provide
some
additional
questions
and
then
the
applicant
provides
a
rebuttal
so
there's
a
process
as
we
go
through
these
projects-
and
we
appreciate
everybody
being
here
today
and
participating.
A
B
A
A
All
those
is
there
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye
aye,
commissioner
birch.
Thank
you
very
much.
So
those
three
items
are
our
table
to
their
respective
meetings.
C
C
Near
avemore
in
the
royal
preservation
district,
it
contains
approximately
80
acres.
The
surrounding
area
is
generally
range
land
avamar
development
llc
is
proposing
the
construction
of
three
500
thousand
gallon
wire
tanks,
one
initial
tank
and
two
future
tanks
for
the
sea
of
eagle,
with
a
gravel
access
driveway
and
surrounding
berm.
The
water
tanks
will
be
located
a
hill,
approximately
one
mile
west
of
the
avamore
village,
one
and
approximately
five
miles
east
of
willow
creek
road.
The
tanks
will
serve
domestic
water
storage
for
the
avamoro
water
transmission,
mainline
ascending
from
erie
lane
east
to
highway
55.
C
Once
the
system
is
constructed,
it
will
be
turned
over
to
the
sea
of
eagle
to
be
used
in
their
municipal
system.
There
are
tanks
will
be
25
feet
tall
with
a
diameter
of
60
feet.
The
15
foot
high
perimeter
berm
will
be
constructed
around
the
water
tanks.
The
berm
will
be
hydro
seeded
with
native
grasses
and
plants,
to
naturally
blend
into
the
surrounding
foothills
landscape.
C
C
A
E
E
Just
very
quickly,
mr
danielson
did
an
excellent
job
in
summarizing
the
project.
We
are
looking
at
three
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
five
hundred
thousand
gallon
water
tanks,
located
approximately
one
mile
from
our
existing
highway
55
and
avamor
village,
one
development
and
about
five
miles
to
the
east
of
willow
creek
road.
So
it
kind
of
sits
in
the
middle
of
our
project,
rangeland
and
and
so
we're
looking
at
constructing
these
three
over
time.
E
The
first
phase
of
the
element
would
just
be
one
tank,
but
with
the
full
berm
and
also
the
full
driveway
access
in
place,
which
is
a
25
foot,
wide
drive
perimeter
around
all
three
tanks
with
an
access
road.
As
mentioned
we're
looking
to
hydroseed
the
berm,
that's
around
it
with
native
seed,
obviously
as
water
tanks.
This
sits
at
a
prominent
location
up
on
the
top
of
the
hill,
so
even
around
the
adjacent
areas
most
would
be
viewing
this
from
a
lower
elevation.
E
E
E
No
most
of
the
the
road
that
we're
putting
in
is
through
avamore
property
and
the
remainder
of
the
road
is
through
sage
investments,
which
is
that
neighboring
property
that
I
discussed.
Some
of
the
access
road
will
be
going
through
their
property
as
well,
and
we've
obtained
your
props
approximate
approvals
for
for
all
of
those.
A
Did
you
want
to
come
talk?
No,
I
didn't
sign
up
okay,
you're
here.
Okay,
anybody
else
in
the
room
or
online
who
would
like
to
talk
about
this
project.
C
Sermon
chair
the
applicant
as
part
of
this
application
with
the
master
site
plan,
they
were
required
to
do
a
natural
features
analysis
and
that
natural
features
analysis
was
done
by
avemar's
conservation,
director,
zoe
duran
and
basically,
as
part
of
that
environmental
ass,
you
know
aspect
they
look
at
the
natural
features,
so
we'll
look
at
if
there's
any
water
features
or
if
there's
what
the
soil
types
are,
then
we
also
look
at
you
know
if
there's
a
sensitive
plant
or
wildlife
species,
and
so
they
did
zoe
did
consult
with
the
iowa
department
of
fish
and
game
and
iowa
department.
C
Fishing
game
did
provide
a
letter
in
the
application
and
also
zoe
has
from
my
recall,
from
the
her
natural
features
analysis.
I
think
she
did
go
out
there
and
do
a
couple
site
inspections
up
there
to
see
if
there
was
any
basically
sensitive
plant
species,
so
that
was
kind
of
more.
The
potential
was
maybe
some
potential
for
slick,
spot,
pepper
grass
or
aces
onion.
C
In
my
recollections
I
don't
believe
she
found
any
you
know
kind
of
near
the
water
tank
site.
So
from
the
environmental
standpoint
we
should
be
good
of
kind
of
minimizing
any
disturbance
to
the
environment,
so.
F
C
Looking
it,
it
is
yes,
you
know
miss
mam
chair,
commissioner
wickstrom,
the
the
train
up
there
in
the
fels
is
kind
of
you
know
kind
of
a
rolling
terrain,
and
so
you
know,
even
though
it's
a
pretty
high
up,
you
know
you're
not
seen
necessarily
seeing
the
whole
all
the
tanks.
You
know
from
one
vantage
point.
I
think
mr
parks
had
stayed
in
his
detail.
There
there's
maybe
a
couple
of
spots
on
a
lower
elevation
that
you
would
be
able
to
see
all
three.
C
You
know
the
the
tanks
you
know
from
a
pretty
good
view,
but
but
the
berms
for
the
most
part
kind
of
disguise
the
tanks
from
the
public.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
E
I'll
just
address
the
last
question.
In
brief:
the
tanks
are
25
feet
high
again,
they
kind
of
sit
at
the
top
of
the
hill
and
the
berm
is
15
feet
high,
so
because
of
the
vantage
point
will
and
pretty
much
encloses
most
all
of
the
tanks
themselves.
The
access
road
that
comes
in
through
the
site
plan
you'll
see
that
it
kind
of
comes
in
and
turns,
and
so
really
that
berm
from
360
degrees
will
shield
visibility
to
the
tanks
themselves,
other
than
maybe
just
the
very
top.
E
A
F
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
second
second,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
to
approve
this
project.
You
want
to
take
a
minute,
commissioner,
wickstrom
and
talk
about.
F
Well,
it
seems
they've
done
everything
to
put
it
far
away
from
everybody,
so
that
it's
it's
going
to
be
high
up
and
not
very
visible,
and
it's
something
having
extra
water
storage,
especially
in
that
area,
where
they're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
development
and
the
city
of
eagle
will
have
access
to
it.
So
it
does
help
the
community
at
large.
A
Thank
you,
thank
you.
Do
you
have
any
comments
or.
B
A
So,
thank
you
any
more
comments,
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
for
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
this
motion
say
aye,
aye
and
I'll,
say
aye
and
commissioner
burke
said
any
opposed
and
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
this
motion
passes
and
passed
with
four
commissioners,
our
next
project.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
Madam
chair,
yes,
I'm
sorry
definitely
jump
on
the
next
project,
but
I
thought
we
might
pause
to
see
if
commissioner
burch
wants
to
leave
and
reconnect
to
see
if
he
can
get
video,
because
I'm
concerned
he
might
not
be
able
to
see
some
of
the
things
that
you
guys
are
seeing
here.
So
if
we
could
take
a
three-minute.
A
A
Commissioner,
let's
let's
see
if
we
can
get
commissioner
birch,
so
he
can
see,
see
the
videos
or
see
them
pictures,
because.
H
A
G
G
G
As
mentioned
before,
the
applicant
proposes
two
lots
which
both
exceed
the
minimum
lot
size
of
five
acres
for
the
rut
district.
Both
lots
also
meet
the
required
frontage
and
access
requirements
of
the
re2
district.
Both
lots
would
have
direct
access
to
victory
road.
The
applicant
might
share
this
in
their
presentation,
but
they
are
considering
a
private
lane
for
one
access
point
for
the
project.
It
also
should
be
noted
that
the
county
highway
district
has
not
commented
on
this
project.
G
G
All
new
buildings
will
have
to
be
permitted
and
then
central
health
typical
comments,
they'll
require
a
land
development,
application
fees
for
each
lot
and
test
holes,
which
the
applicant
stated
today
in
a
phone
call.
They've
already
started
that
process
with
central
district
health,
but
we
would
have
their
approval
prior
to
issuing
any
permits.
G
So,
in
conclusion,
staff
recommends
approval
with
the
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
I
will
note
that
the
applicant
wanted
some
updates
to
the
findings
on
the
record
and
I'm
going
to
put
those
out
here
for
you.
There
was
a
incorrect
date
for
the
pre-app
pre-app
actually
occurred.
That's
a
pre-application
meeting
where
we
meet
with
them
to
figure
out
their
application
that
occurred
in
2020.
I
think
I
listed
2022
so
we'll
make
that
update
and
then
the
existing
building
on
site
pictured
in
the
upper
north
east
west,
north
yeah
northwest.
G
Actually,
I
think
over
here
in
this
triangle
area
that
structure's
been
removed.
They've
received
a
building
permit
for
a
new
home,
so
there
will
be
an
update
to
the
building
square
footages,
and
things
like
that.
So
just
one
of
the
applicant
wanted
that
updated
in
the
findings,
which
is
not
problematic
for
us
to
do
and
shouldn't
impact
your
ability
to
review
or
approve
the
project.
If
you
decide
to
do
that,
so
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
burch.
Do
you
have
any
questions.
A
J
J
There
were
three
ancillary
structures
to
that
property
when
we
purchased
it
that
have
been
removed,
and
there
has
been
one
additional
building
built,
just
a
2400
square
foot
hobby
shop,
since
that
satellite
image
was
taken
so
but
I'll
stand
for
any
other
questions.
If
anybody
has
any
thank.
A
Is
there
anybody
in
the
room
that
would
like
to
talk
about
this
project,
and
we
don't
have
anybody
signed
up
any
more
questions
for
mr
ludson
from
the
commissioners
seeing
head
shaking
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
let
the
applicant
make
any
comments.
Any
final
comments.
A
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
second
second
commissioner,
wickstrom
seconded
the
motion,
any
comments.
A
H
D
A
K
K
K
K
K
K
Therefore,
a
flood
plain
application
was
required
and
they
did
submit
that
with
this
application,
all
structures
shall
be
elevated
to
one
and
a
half
feet
above
the
established
base
flood
elevation.
So
that
is
a
requirement,
as
I
stated,
the
properties
within
meridian's
impact
area.
The
figure
here
is
the
meridian's
future
land
use
map.
It
designates
the
site
as
low
density
residential,
which
is
intended
for
single
family
homes
and
densities
of
three
drilling
units
or
less
per
acre.
K
So
staff
is
recommending
approval
with
conditions.
However,
here
there
are
some
additional
comments
that
have
been
provided
from
the
meridian
fire
districts
and
I'm
gonna
pass
those
out
to
you
now
these
were
submitted
just
yesterday
and
they
provide
some
information
on
the
private
road
as
well
as
a
recommendation
of
sprinklers.
So
I'm
going
to
come
up
and
give
those
to
you
right
now.
K
It's
a
little
lengthy,
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
I'm
not
sure
if
the
elmo
is
available
here,
but
I'm
going
to
try
it
either
way.
This
exhibit
that
I'm
going
to
enter
into
the
record
is
going
to
be
exhibit
number
37.
This
is
from
joe
bongiorno
with
the
meridian
fire
district.
K
In
addition,
as
as
with
mr
let's
project,
we
did
not
receive.
Oh
there
we
go.
K
K
Oh
boy,
all
right:
well,
it's
a
little
slow
but
anyways
here
this.
These
first
recommendations
here
from
the
emerging
fire
district
all
relate
to
the
the
roadway
itself
like
I
said
it
is
a
condition
of
approval
that
the
applicant
follow
the
meridian
fire
district's
standards.
So
I
have
these
here
and
then
on
the
back
page.
K
So
once
again,
this
exhibit
has
been
entered
into
the
record,
as
exhibit
number
37.,
and
so,
as
I
was
saying,
the
ada
county
highway
district
has
not
provided
comments.
Yet
on
this
application
we
have
had
a
delay
in
them
getting
back
to
us,
so
we
are
hoping
that
they
provide
us
comments.
Prior
to
the
board's
hearing
of
that
being
said,
we
have
met
with
some
property
owners
that
live
adjacent
to
the
property
or
own
adjacent
properties
close
by.
K
They
have
some
concerns
with
the
safety,
as
it
relates
to
traffic
coming
from
this
proposed
subdivision,
especially
where
traffic
will
enter
onto
linder
road
from
deck
alley.
So
staff
is
still
recommending
approval
with
conditions.
One
of
those
conditions
is
that
the
applicant
follow
achd's
site,
specific
and
standard
conditions
of
approval,
but
if
you're
not
comfortable,
recommending
approval
on
this
application,
you're
more
than
welcome
to
table
until
we
have
those
comments
from
achd
once
again
staff's
recommending
approval
and
I
will
stand
for
any
questions.
A
K
Yeah
so,
madam
chair,
the
private
road,
where
it
accesses
the
public
road
which
is
duck
alley,
achd
will
have
to
approve
that
connection
point
and
they
are,
you
know
they
might
require
widening
of
duck
alley
road.
The
the
private
road
itself
is
going
to
have
to
be
within
a
50-foot
wide
easement,
and
that
is
a
requirement
through
the
the
impact
area
agreement
and
then
also
the
road
itself
does
have
to
meet
achds
standards
and
that's
through
our
engineering
code
as
well
achd.
K
H
A
G
Role,
madam
chairs,
so
there's
a
private
road
with
a
new
private
road
proposed
within
the
development
that
would
meet
county
standards
and
wouldn't
be
regulated
by
achd.
It's
more
the
issue
of
duck
alley
road
that
this
private
road
feeds
onto,
and
I
think
that's
where
the
neighborhood
concerns
are
as
well.
It's
not
so
much
their
concern
with
the
private
road.
It's
the
impact
to
duck
alley
and
the
intersection
at
linder,
as
well
as
the
future
connectivity
of
deck
alley.
G
West
there's
a
lot
of
undeveloped
property
back
there
and
with
a
substandard
public
roadway,
there
can
be
limitations
on
numbers
of
dwellings
allowed
in
the
future.
Fire
access,
emergency
access
and
you'll
hear
all
of
this
from
their
testimony.
I'm
sure,
but
it's
less
a
concern
with
the
private
road.
It's
more
concerned
with
the
current
state
of
duck
alley,
which
is
a
public
roadway.
A
L
Thank
you,
nicolette
womack,
with
kimberly
horn
at
110,
west,
idaho,
street,
sorry
number,
210,
boise,
idaho,
83702,.
L
L
Cedar
and
sage
holmes
is
a
custom
home
builder
and
they've
built
several
communities
across
the
northwest
excited
shown
here
are
several
example:
custom
homes
they've
built,
so
you
can
see
that
they
understand
the
pacific,
northwest,
look
and
feel,
and
they
are
they
create
very
specific
buildings
for
each
site.
They're,
not
you
know
kind
of
cookie
cutter
next
slide.
L
Again,
I
won't
repeat,
but
you
know
where
we
are
next
slide
and
we
began
the
application
process.
In
november
we
had
our
pre-application
meeting
and
then
in
march
we
had
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
then
we
submitted
in
june
and
that
got
us
here
tonight.
So
you
can
see.
We've
had
continuous
conversations
with
the
agencies
in
accounting
and
achd
along
the
way.
L
It
hugs
a
portion
of
our
northern
property
line
for
about
half
the
site,
and
then
it
becomes
a
which
is
a
public
road
duck
alley
becomes
a
private
road,
as
it
goes
through
our
site
with
fire
turnarounds
and
everything
the
duck
alley.
Roadway
is
currently
between
20
and
22
feet
wide
and
so
talking
with
achd.
L
The
minimum
requirements
at
this
time
is
to
expand
that
to
the
required
24
feet
all
the
way
up
to
linder.
So
we've
already
talked
through
the
future,
the
goals
of
bringing
that
road
into
conformance.
So
we
anticipate
those
comments,
just
fine
and
we'll
keep
working
with
them
to
get
them
in
the
record
next
slide.
L
This
is
an
example
of
the
custom
home
they're,
looking
at
one
of
the
custom
homes
we're
looking
at
this
site,
so
you
can
see
here.
That
is
a
unique
architectural
style.
It
has
variation
and
modulation
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
indoor
outdoor
elements
as
well
in
a
fenestration
as
well.
Next
line,
we've
received
the
county
staff
report
and
we
agree
with
all
the
conditions
of
the
report
and
we'll
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
you
very
much
just
a
clarification
so
you're
working
with
who
now
to
improve
that
part
of
duck
alley
from
your
project
that
goes
out.
The
lender.
L
D
A
Thank
you
very
much.
My
question
is
the
late
exhibit
that
we
received
from
the
fire
department.
Did
you
have
a
chance
to
review
that
and
correct.
L
Yep,
we
have
reviewed
it
and
everything
and
we're
able
to
comply
with
so
okay.
A
L
A
M
I'm
tim
gibson.
I
live
at
the
2074
west
of
revere,
but
I
am
a
part
owner
in
the
ranch
at
the
end
of
duck
alley
at
3200.
West
duck
alley
lane
and
I
want
you
to
know
we're
not
opposed
to
any
of
the
developments
in
the
ru
t
zoning
with
the
five
acres.
I
think
it's
a
nice
asset
down
there,
but
I'm
especially
concerned
about
the
safety
down
there.
M
M
M
The
intersection
of
linder
and
shinden,
I
know
they're
working
on
widening
lender,
but
the
access
coming
in
and
with
these
five
acres
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
horse
people
coming
in
there.
Trailers
coming
down
that
road
and
with
the
homes
we're
going
to
see,
we've
been
there
30
years,
the
amount
of
ups's
and
the
big
trucks
the
garbage
trucks
coming
down
there.
You
can't
pass
you
have
to
pull
over
and
stop
to
let
people
through
there
and.
M
There's
no,
I
believe,
for
emergency
vehicles
to
be
able
to
come
down
there
and
be
able
to
turn
around,
especially
at
the
intersection
of
the
new
private
road
and
duck
alley
lane
we're
at
the
end.
So
if
something
happens
to
us
we're
landlocked,
we
have
no
access
to
go
around
through
the
new
subdivisions
or
up
duck
alley
and
if
there's
something
in
there
and
we're
in
emergency
we're
in
trouble-
and
I
think
these
things
need
to
be
considered
and
looked
at
over.
There.
M
Also,
another
problem
with
duck
alley:
it
does
flood
at
high
water
and
water
does
come
over
and
it
is
eroding
on
the
boise
river
on
the
south
channel
undercutting
which
achd
is
aware
of,
but
with
the
new
developments
going
across
the
river
on
the
other
side
of
duck
alley
with
the
berms,
that's
forcing
more
water
into
the
channels
and
we're.
At
the
end.
M
With
echd
is
only
allowing
33
homes
or
a
thousand
trips,
and
that
prevents
us
from
being
able
to
have
the
ability
to
develop.
We
have
80
acres
down
there.
The
zoning
allows
us
to
have
the
homing
homes
built
down
there,
but
achd's
ruling
is
not
to
allow
but
33
homes.
So
I
guess
the
first
developers
get
the
choice,
homes
and
we're
left
out
we're
still
in
the
cattle
business.
We
like
the
cattle
business
and
we're
not
ready
to
retire
from
it
to
become
developers.
M
They
do
not
want
to
extend
duck
alley
west
and
there's
two
other
farms
down
there.
There
are
probably
500
acres
in
there
that
are
land
locked
and
I
understand
achd
doesn't
have
the
money
or
doesn't
want
to
spend
the
money
to
fix
duck
alley.
But
it's
a
hazard
and
I
mean
there's
no
maneuvering
anywhere
on
it
and
I
guess
it's
my
feeling
is
since
achd
is
preventing
us
from
future
developing
at
a
later
time,
because
these
other
properties
there's
quite
a
bit
land
down
to
the
end
of
duck
alley
where
we're
at.
M
F
All
right
just
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
where
you're
on.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
birch.
Did
you
have
a
question.
A
You
anybody
else
in
the
room
that
would
like
to
talk
about
this
project.
A
Okay,
so
questions
for
mr
wickstrom
lindstrom.
I'm
sorry
same.
A
I
have
questions
so
achd
has
told
you
like:
when
do
they
think
their
report's
gonna
be.
K
Madame
chair
last,
I
heard
from
the
applicant
they
had
spoken,
acht
and
they're
hoping
next
week.
I
believe
maybe
the
applicant
can
touch
on
that.
I
think
they've
been
trying
to
meet
with
them
as
well.
A
Okay
and
then
have
you
had
any
conversations
with
hchd.
K
A
H
A
Okay,
the
applicant
gets
a
five
minutes
to
provide
any
sort
of
rebuttal.
N
I'd
just
like
to
address
a
few
of
the
questions
that
you
all
have
raised,
as
well
as
the
questions
that
mr
bishop
raised.
So
our
preliminary
discussions
with
achd
happened
when
the
the
property
owner
was
closing
on
the
property
just
to
understand
what
requirements
might
be,
might
come
upon
the
project
from
achd
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
not
mention.
So
we
we
mentioned
that
the
width
would
be
increased
to
24
feet,
which
is
conforming
for
this
type
of
road.
N
N
N
N
One
of
the
other
concerns
that
was
raised
was
flooding
of
duck
alley
road,
any
other
development
that
should
have
happened.
The
area
should
have
gone
through
a
formal
study
process
with
fema.
So
if
there
was
an
increase
in
the
flooding
or
it
changed,
the
floodplain
adjacent
landowners
would
have
been
notified.
If
that,
if
that
development
did
not
change
the
floodplain,
then
they
would
not
have
been
notified.
N
Also,
the
this
development
will
not
impact
the
existing
floodplain,
especially
on
duck
alley
we're
on
the
south
side
of
duck
alley.
So
we
are
downstream
of
duck
alley.
So
anything
that
is
done
on
this
site
should
not
raise
the
floodplain
and
that
will
be
demonstrated
with
our
floodplain
application
and
also
our
ultimate
application
to
fema.
N
I
think
that
about
covers
what
I
I
wanted
to
express.
Connor
mentioned
that
our
application
was
routed
to
achd
on
july
29th.
It
seemed
like
their
their
issues
with
transmittal.
They
didn't
receive
it
until
july
28th.
So
just
about
12
days
ago,
we
have
reached
out
to
our
planner
there
and
they
expect
to
have
comments
into
this
week
or
early
next
week
again,
given
the
size
of
development,
the
type
of
development
it
being
rural
and
being
under
the
threshold
that
require
a
traffic
impact
study
which
would
assess
performance
intersections
or
safety
requirements.
F
N
Yeah
we
have
reached
out
to
eureka
water
district
who
owns
that
canal
on
the
south
side
of
the
road.
Those
conversations
have
not
progressed
very
far
being
at
the
very
preliminary
stage.
So
if
we
do
need
to
widen
and
there's
not
room
to
wide
on
the
north
you're
right,
we
will
need
to
widen
the
south
and
that
will
require
some
sort
of
relocation
or
cooperation
from
the
district
to
get
that
road
to
an
acceptable
standard.
F
Man,
philip
just,
would
you
take
that
as
a
condition
of
approval
that
either
somehow
to
to
verify,
I
guess
with
achd
that.
H
N
I
think
one
of
the
I
mean
the
requirement
to
development
or
develop.
It
seems
like
a
condition
of
approval,
will
be
to
meet
the
conditions
of
achd
staff
report.
So
if
we
are
physically
unable
to
meet
those
conditions,
then
we
will
be
unable
to
develop
and
I
think,
since
it's
a
public
roadway
that'd
be
most
appropriate
to
come
from
from
achd.
A
Any
questions
I'd
like
you
to
repeat
what
you
said
just
a
couple
minutes
ago
about
what
conditions
you
would
would
be
acceptable,
given
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
chd's
report.
N
N
B
It
looks
like
condition:
17
is
where
of
the
approval,
where
it
states
that
the
applicant
or
owner
shall
comply
with
a
chd
site,
specific
and
standard
conditions
of
approval.
So
it's
already
in
our
conditions
of
approval
that
they'll
have
to
comply
with
whatever
echd
presents.
Okay.
H
A
F
B
A
Second,
from
commissioner
extend
go
ahead,
commissioner
wickstrom
you
get
to
talk
first.
F
My
son
plays
baseball
at
my
grandson,
my
son,
my
grandson
plays
baseball
that
field
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
in
that
area
during
the
summertime.
When
that
feels
busy,
all
four
fields
are
full
the
parking
lot.
There
is
full
there's
a
lot
of
traffic
on
that
road
already,
and
this
would
actually
be
less
traffic
than
what
there
currently
is.
There
is
constant
concerns
about
that
road
going
in
there.
It
is
narrow
you
do
have
horse
trailers.
There
is
an
equestrian
center
right
next
to
between
this
development
and
linder.
So
you
do
also.
F
You
do
have
the
problem
of
horses.
There
horse
trailers,
but
that's
that's
an
existing
problem.
It
seems
to
be
okay,
so
far
and
again,
they're
working
on
lender
to
improve
that
so
that
I
see
this
development
is
actually
being
improved
as
far
as
the
amount
of
traffic
for
that
area,
and
it's
it's
well
spaced,
you
hate
to
see
that
kind
of
land
go
into
something,
but
with
this
kind
of
density
and
and
the
quality
of
the
homes,
it's
gonna
be
a
good
thing
for
that
area.
B
Yeah
I
mean
this
is
a
recommendation
of
approval.
Not
a
firm
of
you
know,
approval
itself,
so
I
feel
comfortable
sending
it
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners.
B
You
know
with
this
approval,
because
achd
should
have
their
comments
back
prior
to
it,
going
to
the
full
board
as
well
and
realistically
they
would
be
the
ones
making
the
final
decision
decision,
regardless
of
what
we
stay
here
and
again
kind
of
to
echo
you
with
the
baseball
fields
going
away
and
such
it
seems
like
it
actually
would
be
an
improvement
in
the
traffic.
B
You
know
with
converting
it
to
the
I
believe,
15
homes
and
the
only
other
thing
is,
you
know
for
either
the
future
residents
that
do
move
in
there
or
current
residents
of
that
area.
If
you
do
have
concerns
with
you
know
the
road
in
that
aspect,
I
do
strongly
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
achd
whether
it
be
your
local
commissioner,
for
that
area
that
you
live
in
in
the
county
or
just
hchd
in
general.
B
Reaching
out
can
sometimes
bring
an
issue
that
you
know
either
they
may
be
aware
of,
but
it
might
not
be
on
the
priority
list
or
they
might
not
be
aware
of.
You
know
up
to
the
top,
but
I
do
think
you
know
with
the
fact
that
there
is
a
project
in
this
area
with
the
agreement
agreement
lightly
in
place
right
now
to
improve
duck
valley.
I
think
that
will
you
know,
help
mitigate
some
of
those
issues.
D
Well,
the
only
comment
is
this
is
unique,
prime
residential
property,
that
is
just
begging
for
the
high-end
kind
of
development
that
is
being
proposed,
and
so
ultimately,
probably
mr
bishop's
property
will
get
developed
as
well.
But
I
can't
imagine
a
better
use
for
the
property
than
what
is
being
planned
right
now.
I
A
Specifically
addressed
that
the
applicant-
and
I
guess
the
applicant
is
on
record
for
agreeing
to
improve
duck
valley
because
it
took
ali
duck
ali.
I'm
sorry
duck
alley
so
anyway.
That's
my
concern
is
that
we
haven't
really
addressed
the
road
improvement
issues.
We're
just
trusting
that
achd
will
have
that
in
their
reports.
A
G
Chair
commissioners,
we
currently
don't
have
that.
I
mean
it's
a
backup
hearing
technically
there's
no
notice
or
anything
that
we
would
have
to
do
for
this
item.
If
everyone
wanted
to
come
back
in
two
weeks,
I
would
be
concerned
that
that
still
wouldn't
give
everyone
enough
time
to
process
the
information
I
do
again.
I
don't
want
to
jump
into
your
motion
here
too
much.
G
I
think
there's
going
to
be
some
more
conversation
with
acht
that
needs
to
happen
at
the
higher
level
and
I'm
certain
our
board
is
going
to
ask
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
are
being
asked
here
as
well,
but
yeah.
I
don't
think
two
weeks
is
enough.
If
you
wanted
the
table,
you'd
probably
have
to
go
to
the
15th
of
september
and
I'll.
Just
let
you
know
that
agenda
is
looking
pretty
full
right
now
so,
but
you
can
do
that
if
that's
the
discretion
of
the
or
the
decision
of
the
pnz,
so.
F
I'm
sure
we
we've
made
decisions
before
where
achd
was
kind
of
the
we're
waiting
for
comments
for
them.
Just
on
the
other
side
of
linda
from
this
project,
there
was
that
was
13
homes
that
were
being
built,
and
there
were
all
sorts
of
problems
with
linder
and
things
that
could
have
been
taking
care
of
the
teas
of
the
burdens
over
there.
But
we
went
ahead
and
approved.
H
F
A
I
think
those
are
really
good
points.
Commissioner
burch,
do
you
have
any
comments.
D
A
A
A
Yeah,
you
know
you
guys,
no
I'm
sure
the
I'm
sure
the
I'm
sure
this
issue
will
come
up
at
the
commissioner's
meeting.
So
okay.
O
O
O
O
They
do
have
the
travel
aisle.
We
haven't
received
any
complaints
or
any
concerns.
They
do
have
the
conditions
of
approval.
They
will
have
to
have
approval
from
the
boise
fire
department.
They
also
have
to
meet
achd
requirements
and
they
have
to
submit
that
they
can
connect
to
suez
water
and
boise
sewer.
O
F
O
F
H
F
O
A
A
Thank
you.
I
don't
think
we
have
any
more
questions
for
you,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
ask
the
applicant
to
come
forward,
and
if
you
give
us
your
name
and
address
that
would
be
great.
P
Hello,
christine
again
with
brs
architects.
My
address
is
1903
brown,
moore
street
broadway
drive
boise83705.
P
So
the
description
outlined
by
diana
sanders
was
pretty
correct.
I
can,
I
guess,
address
the
concerns
regarding
the
site
plan.
If
that
wants
to
be
brought
up.
P
You're
correct,
it
is
a
very
tight
site,
but
we've
been
working
with
both
the
civil,
the
civil
engineer
and
then
also
design
standards
for
truck
turning
radiuses,
also
working
with
a
chd
as
far
as
the
access
to
the
site,
and
we
feel
very
comfortable
that
we'll
be
able
to
make
the
site
separation
the
building,
separations
work
in
regards
to
that
type,
corn,
the
tight
corner
that
you're
that
you
pointed
out,
we
are
kind
of
separating
kind
of
no.
P
We
have
like
no
parking
areas,
kind
of
designated
so
that
trucks
can
have
better
maneuverability
maneuverability
to
get
in
and
out
of
these
sites.
Also,
the
types
of
tenants
that
would
be
going
into
that
site
would
be
kind
of
constrained
by
those
loading
areas,
so
they
would
be
required
to
only
have
the
smaller
box
trucks,
type
trucking
or
spots
at
those
locations,
and
I
guess,
as
far
as
the
conditions
of
approval
we've
reviewed
them
all
and
we
are
willing
to
accept
and
agree
to
those
terms.
A
Thank
you.
What
questions
do
the
commissioners
have
any
questions?
I
wondered
if
you
had
a
public
hearing
and
if
anybody
came
to
the
public
hearing
and
if
there
was
any
comments.
P
A
I
A
And
is
there
anybody
in
the
room
who
would
like
to
make
comments
and
so
then
we'll
go
back
and
do
we
have
any
more
questions
for
miss
sanders?
A
You,
if
you'd
like
to
make
any
rebuttal
you're,
welcome
to
or
call
it
good.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
then
I'll
look
to
the
commissioners
for
a
motion.
One
of
three
choices,
madam.
B
I
mean
it
seems
like
a
very
straightforward
application
kind
of
similar
to
some
of
the
other
ones
that
have
been
here
tonight,
and
I
do
appreciate
kind
of
that,
not
necessarily
forward
thinking
but
thinking
and
acknowledging
the
fact
that
that
will
be
a
tight
little
spot
so
you're
making
those
adjustments
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
user
friendly
in
those
areas.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
the
question
unless
anybody
else
has
comments,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
this
motion,
please
say
aye,
aye
and
I'll
say
aye
aye
and
commissioner
birch
said
I
in
the
opposed
and
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
this
motion
passed
with
four
to
zero.
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
application
before
you,
it's
got
a
long
number
here,
it's
2,
20
or
sorry.
2006.00219-Cpa.
K
Da
dash
m
and
20
2201
329-vac,
this
is
dry
creek
ranch
plain
community
applicant
is
boise
hunter
homes,
so
this
is
a
proposed
comprehensive
plan
text,
amendment,
a
development
agreement,
modification
and
a
vacation
to
alter
condition
of
approval
number
61
of
the
dry
creek
ranch
planned
communities,
development
agreement.
K
So
you
see
here
this
is
an
ariel
of
the
site.
This
is
within
dry
creek
ranch
school
site
there,
it's
off
of
actually
what
street
is
that?
I
guess
it's
not
mere
pond.
Now
the
applicant
touch
space
tower
curry,
coral.
There
you
go
or
tower
creek
drive.
So
in
2016,
a
resolution
was
adopted
by
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
which
amended
the
dry
creek
ranch
development
plan.
K
The
result
of
these
discussions
was
an
agreement
by
the
developer
to
donate
a
site.
The
joint
school
district
number
two
for
an
elementary
school
site.
This
site,
as
you
see
here
on
the
screen,
it's
that
square
there
in
blue
that
the
arrow
is
pointing
to
so.
In
that
same
resolution,
the
west
ada
school
district
provided
comments
that
this
that
state,
west
ada
school
district
will
accept
a
land
donation
from
boise
hunter
homes
in
the
amount
of
9.5
acres,
approximately
for
a
future
elementary
school
in
the
proposed
dry,
creek
ranch
plan
development.
K
K
In
addition,
we
have
received
several
comments
from
neighbors
within
the
community
that
lived
there
as
well
as
an
exhibit
that
was
provided
by
boise
hunter
homes.
There
are
many
folks
that,
within
the
development
that
would
like
to
see
a
school
site
sooner
and
therefore
they
do
support
the
charter
school
being
an
option.
K
Those
comments
were
provided
to
you
in
your
additional
exhibit
list
so
because
west
ada
school
district
stated
in
these
comments
here
once
we
transmitted
to
them
that
they
would
like
to
continue
to
have
that
property
for
future
development
and
the
school
site
at
dry.
Creek
will
be
essential
for
a
west
ada
elementary
school
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
unprecedented
growth
staff
is
recommending
denial
of
this
application.
A
B
Just
in
case
I
may
have
misread
or
didn't
notice
that,
can
you
please
clarify
is
the
lack
of
a
school
impacting
any
future
development
within
this
planned
community?
Like
is
this
the
last
thing
that's
preventing
them
from
moving
on
to
the
next
phase
in
their
development
at
all.
K
K
Unfortunately,
we
did
not
catch
that
the
site
has
yet
to
be
designated
or
dedicated
at
this
time
to
west
atis,
so
building
permits
have
been
issued,
even
though
that
designation
has
not
yet
taken
place.
We
would
like
to
see
that
this
be
wrapped
up
before
the
next
final
plat
is
issued,
though
so,
hopefully
that
addresses
your
question.
K
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
exited
no,
so
the
the
current
final
plats
that
have
been
approved
up
to
this
point.
We
can
still
issue
building
permits
on
those,
as
well
as
any
other
master
site
plans
or
development.
That's
outside
of
final
flats.
Those
can
take
place,
but
any
new
final
plants
as
staff
we
would
not
be
able
to
recommend
approval
on
until
that
site
is,
is
either
designated
or
yourself
and
the
board
decides
to
allow
for
them
to
build
a
charter
school
on
there.
Thank
you.
K
Yes,
man,
I'm
sure
I
can
do
my
best
and
mr
lutson
can
step
into
so
it
was
an
agreement
that
essentially
boise
hunter
homes
as
the
owner
of
the
property.
They
are
going
to
provide
a
site
where
west
ada
school
district
can
build
a
school
on
their
property
and
that
site
would
then
be
designated
or
or
given
to
west
ada
to
use
as
they
wish
within
the
development.
G
I
think
that
conor
cover
did
it's
basically
setting
aside
land
for
the
school
and
offering
the
land
to
the
school
for
or
to
the
district
for
the
construction
of
a
school.
So
it's
not
and
and
mr
hunter
and
and
the
team
can
probably
explain
the
more
nuanced
conversation.
That's
occurred
in
terms
of
that
transaction,
but
in
general,
it's
to
to
give
that
land
to
a
school
for
the
development
of
of
a
school.
Sorry,
I
said
school
like
eight
times
in
that
sense,
so,
okay,.
K
And
and
madam
chair,
I
will
note
that
there
there
is
a
a
plat
note
currently
on
that
plaque
that
the
site
will
be
designated
to
achd
or
I'm
sorry
excuse
me
to
west
state
school
district,
but
it
hasn't
formally
taken
place,
it's
more
of
a
it
will.
So
that's
why
they're
asking
for
the
vacation
as
well
to
remove
that
note
fully,
so
it
can
just
be
utilized
as
a
as
a
charter
school.
D
As
I
recall,
a
charter
school
that
was
elementary
level
only
so
when
the
applicant
asks
for
removal
of
any
qualification
for
what
the
school
would
be
and
I'm
assuming
that
they're
thinking,
okay,
whatever
it
would
be,
would
be
elementary
because
they
never
suggested
middle
or
high
school
in
there.
What
options
are
there
other
than
the
public
school
or
the
charter
school,
because
a
charter
school
anybody
can
attend
that
night.
Oh
correct,
I
mean
it's
just
like
going
to
a
public
school
where
you
say:
okay.
D
Well,
my
kids
in
that
area
and
my
kid
wants
to
come
so
you're
not
having
to
pay
the
the
the
only
other
one
I
can
think
of
is
private
school,
which,
based
on
what
the
applicant
has
asked
for,
would
be
allowed
there.
If
that's
what
the
applicant
put
in
is
that
correct?
Are
there
other
types
of
schools
besides
public
charter
and
private.
K
Madam
chair,
commissioner
birch,
those
are
the
three
that
I'm
aware
of.
I
think
the
main
point
here
is
the
the
applicant
does
not
want
to
have
a
school
site
designated
specifically
to
west
ada
school
district.
They
would
like
to
see
a
charter
school
and
that
charter
school-
it
is
a
public
school
in
nature,
however,
is
not
within
west
ada's,
school
district
and
once
again
I'll
have
the
applicant
touch
base
on
that
further.
Maybe
they
can
go
into
more
detail
about
some
potential
other
public
school
entities,
but
those
are
the
three
that
I'm
aware
of.
G
Yeah
conor,
it
might
be
beneficial
to
read
the
exact
conditioned
language
that
was
being
proposed
so
that
we
can
clarify
what
type
of
school,
because
I
don't
believe
private
school
was
one
of
the
options
that
we
were
saying
would
be
acceptable.
It
was
either
a
a
public
school
which
could
include,
or
we're
not
saying,
was
acceptable
being
requested
by
the
applicant,
a
public
school
which
could
include
a
charter
school,
but
not
like
a
it.
Wasn't
a
private
entity
that
we
were
thinking.
K
F
K
Madam
chair,
commissioner
wickstrom
this
would
be
the
county
specifically
enforcing
this.
It
is
our
agreement
with
west
ada,
and
this
was
approved
through
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
so
that
you
know
circle
around
to
that
comes
back
to
the
county
to
enforce
these
conditions,
specifically
as
well
as
the
development
plan.
So
if
dry
creek
ranch
for
whatever
it
may
be,
if
they
are
out
of
compliance
with
their
development
plan
and
their
approval,
the
county
can
hold
up
future
final
plats.
K
We
could,
you
know,
potentially
you
know,
take
them
to
court.
Let's
god
hope
that
never
happens.
But
you
know
those
are
the
the
options
it
does
land
with
the
county.
K
Madam
chair,
commissioner
exten,
I
think
I'll
let
the
applicant
touch
base
on
that
more.
I
do
believe
it.
K
A
K
So,
madam
chair,
with
planned
communities,
it's
a
little
bit
different,
so
the
the
preliminary
plats
have
already
been
approved
for
the
plan
community,
and
then
there
was
the
development
plan.
So
through
that
whole
process,
the
school
district
weighed
in
they
provided
comments,
that's
kind
of
where
you
saw
this
agreement
come
from
as
each
final
plaque
comes
in.
I
am
not
aware
if
the
school
district
has
to
sign
off
on
it.
I
don't
believe
they
do.
G
Then
yeah
it
was
just
the
primary
plaza
they
would
have
weighed
in
on
plus
the
modified
development
agreement
and
everything
else
that
occurred
in
2016..
A
H
R
Evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
james
hunter,
I'm
a
co-owner
of
boise
hunter
homes
and
we're
the
applicant
here
so
connor
you
have
a
slideshow
here.
Help.
Can
you
step
through
efficiently,
if
we
can,
what
the
situation
is
so
next
side
slide
please.
R
So
anyway,
the
project
is
a
1414
acre
farm
to
table
plan
community.
We
received
approval
in
2010
and
it
originally
received
approval
in
2010.
We
purchased
it
after
modifying
it
in
2016-17,
for
it's
now
designated
for
1815
units,
eighty-five
thousand
square
feet
of
commercial
and
a
seven
acre
elementary
school
site
next
slide.
Please.
R
So
the
current
status
is
we've
recorded.
Eight
phases:
two
phases
are
under
construction.
That
means
development
work.
Those
are
the
kind
of
purple
ones.
The
chartreuse
ones
are
the
ones
that
basically
have
houses
either
constructed
or
under
construction.
There's
approximately
400
homes
occupied
or
under
construction.
R
This
is
the
seven
acre
school
site,
that's
the
that
we're
having
discussions
on
and,
in
the
meantime,
we've
planted
alfalfa
and
we
built
a
soccer
field
in
the
interim
at
the
front
of
it.
We're
expanding
that
right
now,
but
to
keep
the
thing
neat
and
clean
until
something
happens
to
it.
R
In
the
master
plan,
the
major
plan
elements
were
to
institutional
school,
provide
the
opportunity
for
a
primary
school
site
to
be
located
within
dry
creek
ranch
and
traffic
reduction
and
track
trip
capture.
It
was
to
implement
a
trip
reduction
strategy
to
reduce
vehicular
trip
generation
and
minimize
the
number
of
vehicle
trips
outside
the
community
and
implement
land
use
policies
that
also,
similarly
minimize
the
number
of
vehicle
trips
outside
the
community.
Next
slide,
please.
R
So
this
thing
all
started
right
here
this.
If
you
want
to
call
it
controversy,
rethinking
it
request
for
this
change
when
we
were
in
the
process
of
deeding
this
land
to
west
ada
school
district,
and
that
comes
on
the
heels
of
I'd,
seen
them
get
land
from
a
lot
of
developments
in
fact,
hold
the
land
never
put
a
school
on
it
and
then
sell
the
land
to
other
developers
later
on
in
the
process.
R
The
school
district's
done
that
a
number
of
times,
so
I'm
here
strictly
for
our
community
strictly
for
the
kids
strictly
for
making
sure
they
have
a
place
to
get
educated
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
so
in
that
negotiation,
the
document
on
the
left
was
the
actual
deed.
We
were
going
to
deed
it
to
so
when
you
guys
have
used
the
term
designate.
R
R
So
we'd
like
to
have
a
a
document
in
this.
This
left-hand
document
that
says,
if
you
don't
start
the
school
in
a
certain
time
frame,
you
give
the
school
back
to
us
at
that
point.
Things
came
became
crystal
clear,
so
their
attorney
focused
on
this
area
where
the
four
arrows
are
pointing
to,
and
he
says
we
won't
guarantee
that
we
will
give
this
school
back
to
you
until
10
years
have
exhausted.
R
R
So
that's
where
the
eight
west
data
school
district
showed
their
cards.
I
mean
they've
got
a
district
run.
They've
got
a
priority
of
schools,
they
have
to
you,
know
their
great
school
district,
but
they
have
to
administer
their
funds
as
they
see
fit
and
they
they.
They
basically
were
crystal
clear
they
wouldn't
commit
to
within
10
years.
R
So
that's
where
we
got
kind
of
sideways
and
we
said
well
let
what
else
can
we
do
for
this
community?
Can
we
find
other
types
of
schools
to
get
a
school
in
there
quicker
to
educate
these
kids,
and
so
we
started
investigating
the
opportunities
with
charter
schools
and
we
found
out
a
lot
of
great
stuff
about
charter
schools,
there's
one
being
built
in
a
planned
community,
south
and
south
meridian
right
now
that
brighton,
developed
and
a
new
charter
school
is
going
in
these
charter.
Schools
are
pretty
pretty
popular
people
like
them.
R
My
son
travis
who's,
not
here
tonight
he's
out
of
town,
but
he
he
was
communicating
with
the
west
ata
school
district
with
jonathan
gillan
who's,
their
chief
operations
officer
and
they
were
said,
expressed
interest
hey.
We
still
like
to
have
the
school
side,
because
in
our
overall
plan,
we'll
use
it
someday
and
my
son
try
to
press
him
and
get
a
commitment
like.
When
will
you?
When?
Will
you
sell
a
bond
for
this
school
site?
R
So
the
you
can
see
the
underlying
red
language,
it
says,
unfortunately,
at
this
time
we
cannot
commit
to
when
a
bond
will
run
nor
guarantee
the
items
that
will
be
included
within
it.
So
again
no
guarantees
from
the
school
district.
We
want
your
land,
it's
worth
millions
of
dollars,
give
it
to
us
now,
but
we're
not
going
to
guarantee
when
we
can
even
run
a
bond
for
you
and
certainly
can't
guarantee
when
we
can
construct
it
next
slide.
R
R
R
R
I
was
the
one
that
negotiated
the
deal
with
the
school
district.
I
would
have
never
given
a
committed
to
giving
them
this
site.
If
I'd
known,
they
were
simply
going
to
buy
it
ice
it
down
and
inventory
it
and
never
really
provide
a
school
for
the
citizens
of
dry
creek
ranch
next
slide,
please
so
school
need.
This
is
a
school
district
document
and
it's
the
the
darker,
the
color,
the
more
the
more
need
for
the
school
they've.
R
R
Residents
indicate
their
children
must
ride
the
bus
to
and
from
school,
for
over
one
hour
each
day,
I'm
64
years
old.
When
I
was
in
elementary
school
kindergarten
elementary
school,
I
was
bused
to
three
elementary
schools.
I
rode
a
bus
for
over
an
hour.
Every
day
we
never
moved
our
house,
we
were
bused.
I
was
bused
to
three
different.
R
Elementary
schools
took
me
an
hour
every
day,
total
time
wasted
out
of
a
kid's
life
that
kid
could
be
walking
to
a
school
five
minutes
from
his
house,
or
he
can
get
on
a
bus
and
waste
an
hour
one
hour
every
day
of
his
life,
but
he's
not
with
his
parents.
He's
not
playing
sports
he's
not
doing
homework.
He's
just
riding
a
bus.
R
So
the
charter
schools
are
independently
operated
public
schools.
They
have
the
freedom
to
design
classrooms
meet
their
students
needs.
They
provide
high
quality
education
option
to
public
school
students,
upholding
high
standards,
that's
just
a
kind
of
a
statement.
We
found
it
to
be
true
next
slide,
please,
as
noted
in
the
staff
report,
there's
a
list
of
47
signatures.
I
think
the
county
has
received
by
dry
creek
residents
of
probably
several
who
are
in
the
audience
here
tonight
and
wish
to
speak.
R
In
addition,
13
letters
of
support
were
submitted
next
slide.
Please,
our
request
is
to
modify
our
condition
to
simply
allow
for
us
to
dedicate
the
school
site
to
either
west
ada
school
district
or
any
other
school
entity,
including
charter
schools,
with
no
restriction
on
timing
or
platted
lots
as
long
as
we're
actively
working
to
get
a
school
built
as
soon
as
possible,
in
our
discretion,
through
negotiation
with
any
school
builder
or
district,
and
in
fact,
I'm
so
bent
on
getting
a
school
built
there.
R
But
I
just
think
you
know
16
years
goes
advisors,
kids
that
have
moved
into
that
neighborhood
that
were
one
year
old,
they'll
be
graduating
from
high
school
and
have
never
had
a
school
built
in
their
community.
R
And
so
I
think
there
was
an
atmosphere
when
I,
when
you
guys,
were
asking
your
questions
of
staff
earlier
on
and
the
imagery
was
kind
of
like
well.
If
boise
hunter
homes
doesn't
dedicate
the
school
site,
what
penalties
does
the
county
have
against
them,
because
they're
misbehaving,
just
the
opposite,
is
true.
R
I
want
to
basically
get
these
kids
a
school
as
soon
as
physically
possible
and
if
the
school
district
had
ever
told
us
10
years
before
we
commit
to
actually
give
you
the
land
back,
we
haven't
started
a
school
or
run
a
bond.
I
would
have
never
agreed
to
donate
the
land
to
them.
So
that's
where
we're
at
we're
here
for
the
kids.
We
have
no
other
agenda,
we're
purely
here
for
the
kids
and
if
the
charter
school
system
is
a
better
way
to
get
them
a
school
faster,
I'm
a
hundred
percent
for
it.
R
If
west
data
ever
would
actually
commit
and
step
up
and
say
next
year
we're
running
the
bond
we
guarantee
it.
You
guys
come
on
board,
pass,
pass
or
fail,
I'd
be
open
to
that
as
well.
But
today
we
have
a
bunch
of
non-commitment
and
not
lots
of
nice
talk
and
we've
had
a
loss,
a
nice
talk
and
it's
been
since
2017
to
now.
So
it's
been
five
years
going
on
six
and
we're
just
kind
of
tired
of
being
sick
and
tired.
R
So
we
ask
for
your
for
your
support
and
I
think
west
state
is
a
fine
school
district,
but
quite
frankly,
I'm
looking
out
for
the
kids
in
this
community.
That's
our
sole
goal
and
objective.
We
would
ask
you
to
support
our
amendment.
F
R
R
Highly
competent
have
built
a
lot
of
charter
schools
that
we
feel
would
be
just
fantastic
for
this
area
and
we
thought
saw
them
as
as
great
alternatives
for
getting
a
school
built
and
accelerating
it.
That
was
last
year.
We
started
this
process.
R
You
can
see
when
I
was
trying
when
we
were
actually
on
the
verge
of
signing
a
grantee
to
west
ada.
You
know
that
was
so.
We
started
this
process
and
it's
taken
us
a
while
to
get
here
to
this
meeting
today.
So
today
I
haven't
called
up
those
charter
school
companies
and
said:
are
you
guys
still
ready
to
go?
Are
you
still
highly
interested?
R
You
know
we
we
assume
they
are,
but
you
know
interest
rates,
change
those
guys
get
their
financing
through
an
interest
rate
series
of
of
bonds
as
well,
but
you
know
we're
highly
committed.
I
think
we
will
work
and
try
to
do
whatever
it
takes
to
get
a
school
in
there,
if
just
given
the
opportunity
to
relief
in
this
condition-
and
maybe
it
ends
up
being
west
data-
maybe
the
best
thing
that
happens
to
some
people
is,
they
have
to
compete
and
all
we
care
about
is
compete
on
timing.
R
F
R
R
Ultimately,
I
think,
go
to
the
county
commissioners
next
and
then
once
that's
that
green
light
has
been
given,
then
the
school
these
charter
school
companies
have
to
re-engage
with
us
and
or
the
homeowners
at
dry
creek
ranch,
because
they
need
a
board,
they
need
a
local
board
of
directors
and
our
goal
is
to
develop,
have
them
develop
whatever
school
is
most
compatible
with
that
community,
and
you
know
we
believe
it's
an
elementary
school
that
we
got
to
get
you
know
we
we
got
to
get
past
step
one
and
they
they
some
of
their
schools,
will
go
past
elementary
school.
F
R
I
see
I
see
no
problems
for
that
because-
and
I
understand
the
question
that
happened
earlier
about,
I
think,
to
conor
about
asking
about
some
of
the
legal
ramifications.
R
From
my
perspective,
I've
been
in
this
business
for
a
long
time,
but
from
my
perspective,
the
county
is
the
sole
conditioner
traffic
cop
and
authority
figure
in
this
equation,
and
if
the
county
chooses
to
relieve
a
condition,
change
a
condition
or
modify
a
condition,
it's
the
county's
prerogative
to
do
so.
I
don't
believe,
there's
any
there's
any
there's
any
fallout
to
anybody
of
recourse
if
you
guys
modify
a
condition
here.
B
A
R
A
A
K
And
madam
chair,
I
am
going
to
enter
in
mr
hunter's
presentation
here-
is
exhibit
29
for
the
record.
A
S
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
we
are
here
and
I
have
the
privilege
of
speaking
on
behalf
of
68
residents
of
dry
creek
ranch.
I
was
the
one
well
with
this
group
that
canvassed
the
community
to
get
all
those
signatures
that
you
saw,
because
we
have
resounding
support
in
our
community
to
get
a
school
built
sooner
than
west
data
can
offer
us
a
little
bit
about
me.
I
moved
to
dry
creek
ranch
in
january
2021.
S
S
Every
neighborhood
that
we
went
in
to
look
for
homes
did
not
have
children
out
like
dry
creek
ranch.
Every
time
you
go
visit,
this
neighborhood
you'll
see
children
playing
on
the
street.
To
give
you
an
example,
I
live
in
probably
the
smallest
block
in
the
entire
neighborhood
and
we
have
26
children
on
our
block
alone.
S
S
We,
as
a
parent
group,
have
been
so
passionate
about
having
that
option
that
we've
met
with
charter
organizations,
I
have
gone
to
a
full
two
day:
eight
hours
zoom
each
day
meeting
with
the
idaho
commission
for
charter
schools,
gotten
the
training
understood
the
process.
Looked
at
the
financial
budgets
created
a
petition
worked
with
parents
to
figure
out.
How
can
we
make
this
school
work
for
us
and
the
thing
is
we
can
make
it
work
sooner.
S
We
can
build
it
within
the
next
three
years
and
we
can
tailor
it
so
it
really
fits
the
needs
of
our
community
and
our
children.
A
great
example
of
this
would
be
building
in
our
local
farm,
so
we
have
a
great
farm
farm
to
table.
You
heard
mr
hunter
mention
that
that's
what
the
community
is.
We
have
a
local
farm
on
there.
My
kids
just
went
and
picked
raspberries.
S
Last
week
next
week
it's
going
to
be
blackberries
and
farmer
dan
we'd
love
to
have
science
where
we
get
to
have
this
children
walk
over
and
learn
from
their
farm
right
next
to
their
house.
That's
something
that's
possible
with
the
charter
school
because
we
can
build
it
for
our
needs
of
our
students
in
the
community.
S
So
the
number
one
reason
why
we
are
here
is
to
ask
you
to
allow
us
to
have
a
school
sooner
so
that
we
can
have
our
children
go
to
it.
Have
it
be
a
neighborhood
community
school?
There
is
unprecedented
growth
in
treasure
valley,
there's
unprecedented
growth
in
dry
creek
that
unprecedent
growth
requires
a
school
that
doesn't
require
a
school
on
west
ada's
plan
in
2012
years.
It
requires
a
school
today.
S
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I've
got
amanda.
T
And
I'm
just
going
to
reiterate
kind
of
what
syria
said:
I'm
a
mom
too.
I
live
in
dry
creek.
I
have
three
little
boys
as
well
sari
and
I
are
the
boy
moms
and
my
boys
are
eight
six
and
two
and
I
was
actually
when
we
moved
here
and
when
we
bought
our
property
there.
I
was
pregnant
with
my
two-year-old
and
we
were
excited
about
it
excited
we
were.
I
counted.
I
remember
counting
the
lots
on
the
plot
map
because
we're
15
houses
from
the
school.
T
T
Now
I
mean
we
have
a
great
school
now
the
west
data
school,
my
boys
go
to
public
school,
but
we
have
to
drive
them
to
school
and
deal
with
that
traffic
because
I'm
not
going
to
make
my
kids
that's
already
in
school,
from
nine
to
four
and
I'm
not
going
to
make
them
sit
on
the
bus.
So
we
haven't
been
doing
that.
That
is
the
main
thing
for
me.
T
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
charter
process
because
sarah,
your
notes
on
that,
what
the
charter
process
we
have
talked
to
a
few
different
companies
and
met
with
them
and
we're
prepared
to
kind
of
move
forward
with
that
quicker
sorry,
I
I'm
a
former
public
school
teacher.
I
t
I'm
used
to
talking
in
front
of
little
children,
not
in
front
of
adults.
T
Sorry
I
don't
know
if
there
was
anything
else
you
wanted
to
add.
I
think
just
yeah.
Oh,
that's!
Thank
you!
That's
the
language!
Yeah,
the
site
being
in
seven
acres
is
really
not
big
enough
for
a
k-12
school.
Some
charters
are
k-12,
but
they
the
seven
acres
I
mean.
If
you
look
at
like
eagle,
high
school
eagle,
high
school
is
exponentially
bigger
than
that,
and
so
we
can't
have
a
high
school
there,
and
so
we
wouldn't
be
as
community
members
who
live
down
the
street.
We
wouldn't
be
pushing
for
that
at
all.
A
Sorry
so
thank
you
very
much
joseph.
U
Good
evening
how's
it
going,
my
name
is
joe
walsh.
I
live
at
14050,
north
almond
boise,
idaho
83714,
and
this
is
obviously
a
very
passionate
topic
for
all
of
us
in
dry
creek
ranch,
I'm
the
father
of
five,
I'm
a
resident
of
dry
creek
ranch-
and
you
know
this
is
this-
is
a
big
issue
for
us.
You
know
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
my
community
and
my
family.
We
we
moved
here
from
a
community
where
our
kids
couldn't
really
play
outside
all
day.
U
Long
like
they
do
at
dry,
creek
ranch
where
their
school
they
were
stifled
in
terms
of
their
growth
and
development
by
you
know,
mask
mandates
and
remote
learning
and
ideology
that
didn't
align
with
our
values.
When
we
got
to
dry
creek,
we
really
found
a
community
of
like-minded
individuals
that
wanted
to
help
steer
their
kids
education
and
their
culture
and
the
values
that
they're
taught
in
school,
and
you
saw
the
numbers
that
mr
hunter
pointed
out.
1800
homes
right,
that's
a
lot
of
kids.
U
The
vast
majority
of
our
community
is
family
with
young
kids,
there's
hundreds
of
families
moving
in
every
day
or
every
every
year.
I
should
say,
with
the
same
kind
of
goals
that
we
had
for
our
children
and
bringing
them
to
dry
creek
ranch.
U
So
you
know,
I
think
a
charter
school
is
really
ideally
suited
for
dry
creek
ranch
because
of
the
families
that
live
there,
because
we're
really
going
to
outstrip
the
resources
that
are
available
in
waste
data,
with
the
massive
growth
receiving
in
places
like
avamore
and
dry
creek
ranch,
and
I
think
you
can
see
from
the
people
that
have
spoke
like
amanda
and
sarah,
that
we
are
motivated.
We're
organized-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
real
goal
for
us
and
there's
nothing
more
important
to
us
in
our
kids
future
and
their
education.
A
Q
Hi
good
evening,
I'm
tiffany
village,
I
live
at
8533,
west,
settle
lake
drive,
boise
and
eight
three
seven
one
four
and
just
to
reiterate
reiterate
what
everyone
else
has
already
talked
about
that
we
definitely
want
to
school.
Sooner
than
later,
we
have
lots
of
kids
and
I,
along
with
sari,
I
also
attended
a
two-day
charter
session
learning
all
about
idaho
charters.
I've
been
in
education
for
21
years,
I've
worked
for
charters,
I'm
on
a
school
board
and
so,
whether
it's
west
ada
or
whether
it's
a
charter.
A
Thank
you
very
much
matthew.
I
Good
evening
I'm
blair
moss.
I
live
at
8295
west
parks,
lake
dry,
boise
83714,
madam
chair
commissioners.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
us
this
evening.
We
really
appreciate
your
time
and
your
attention
to
all
of
us
parents.
I
know
that
it's
a
long
night
for
you,
but
we
really
want
you
to
understand
how
important
this
school
is
to
our
community.
I
His
passion
is
exactly
how
us
parents
feel
about
this
site
opportunity.
We
all
moved
to
this
development,
assuming
that
our
young
children
would
have
a
school
to
attend
and
then,
when
we
heard
that
they
possibly
wouldn't
and
that
we'd
be
sitting
in
those
houses
for
10
12
years,
raising
our
kids
and
schlepping
them
to
a
different
school.
I
I
I
am
so
unbelievably
thankful
to
be
living
in
this
community
with
such
like-minded
families
and
parents.
These
parents
really
do
care
they've,
given
their
all
to
try
and
make
this
school
work,
and
we
just
need
your
blessing
to
ensure
that
we
can
have
a
school
soon.
The
kids
are
amazing.
These
kids
are
laughing
playing
they're,
going
from
house
to
house
to
house
they're
in
the
pool
they're
now
playing
on
the
soccer
fields.
I
They
should
have
the
opportunity
to
walk
to
school,
and
us
parents
should
have
the
opportunity
to
walk
to
school
and
volunteer
our
time
in
between
making
breakfast
and
making
lunches
and
watching
the
littles.
So
please
we
ask
for
your
blessing
on
this
petition.
We
hope
that
you
will
not
deny
but
and
not
go
with
the
recommendation
that
was
put
together,
but
that
you
will
see
that
how
important
this
really
is
to
us.
So
thank
you.
So
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
it.
I've
gone
through
everybody
on
the
list,
but
I
see
more
people
in
the
room.
So
is
there
more
people
in
the
room
that
would
like
to
come,
provide
testimony.
A
Come
on
give
us
your
name
and
address
and
then,
if
you'll
check,
is
there
anybody
online
there.
H
V
V
Everybody
in
the
neighborhood
seems
to
be
either
empty.
Nesters
nesters,
like
myself
and
my
husband
or
kids
or
families
with
young
kids,
and
we
we
all
expected
that
there'd
be
a
school
in
the
neighborhood,
and
I
really
am
concerned
about
the
time
that
this
takes
out
of
the
kids
lives,
but
also
the
parents,
because
the
parents
end
up
spending
a
lot
of
time,
busing
the
kids
back
and
forth
to
school,
because
the
bus
just
isn't
working.
V
V
A
A
W
My
name
is
peter
pearson.
I
live
at
9401,
west
suttle
lake
drive
in
dry
creek
ranch.
I
I
wanted
to
take
take
maybe
a
different
look
at
this.
There
are.
There
is
a
sort
of
three
three
questions
that
are
three
three
points
that
I
wanted
to
to
bring
up.
One
is
is
yes,
there
was
this
agreement.
J
W
In
in
in
the
history
of
the
dry,
creek
ranch
development
that
was
we're,
we're
gonna,
get
give
this
land
to
to
the
west
data
school
district,
presumably
as
part
of
the
process
of
getting
permission
to
do
the
development
and
yeah
it
it.
It
looks
a
little
indecorous
to
come
back
years
later
and
say:
well,
we
want
to
change
that
part
of
the
agreement,
but
then
that's
that's
just
just
one
one.
W
One
point
that
I'm
sure
is
in
everybody's
mind,
but
I
think
you
you
also
want
to
look
at
if,
if
this
changes,
the
agreement
has
made,
who
who
has
helped
and
who
was
hurt,
and
as
for
the
who
has
helped,
I
think
you've
been
hearing
from
from
the
the
parents
of
the
community
that
they
feel
that
it
would.
It
would
help
them
a
lot
as
to
who
is
hurt,
it's
a
lot,
less
clear
that
anybody
is
being
hurt.
W
Certainly,
the
the
west
data
school
district
would
rather
have
this
property
than
not
have
the
property,
but
how
big
a
deal
this
is
for
them
seems
dubious
if
they're
not
planning
on
doing
anything
with
the
property
for
her
for
ten
years
or
more,
and
and
also
you
know
it's
not
it's
not
like
the
the
west
ada
school
district
would
be
losing
something
that
they
had
paid
for.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
you
coming
forward
and
I
know
it
takes
a
lot
of
energy
to
do
that.
So
we
appreciate
it.
Okay.
Is
there
anybody
else
before
I
close
this
part
of
the
hearing
no
hands,
I
don't
see
any
more
hands.
We've
got
some
questions
from
mr
lindstrom,
so
let's
ask
our
questions
in
mr
lindstrom,
commissioner.
Birch,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
mr
lindstrom.
D
K
So,
madam
chair,
commissioner
burch,
this
is
actually
a
recommendation
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
So
you
are
a
recommending
body
here
that
your
this
will
go
on
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners
either
way.
So
whether
or
not
you
recommend
denial
or
you
recommend
approval,
the
board
will
have
the
final
say
on
this.
A
I
have
a
follow-up
question:
if
we,
if
we
choose
to
do
approval,
which
means
that
that's
contrary
to
how
you
have
it
written
out,
we
would
table
it,
and
then
we
would
do
that
at
the
next
meeting
and
so
it
kind
of
delays.
It.
K
Madam
chair
yeah,
so
we
would,
if
you
did
choose
to
recommend
approval.
We
would
have
to
table
for
revised
findings.
Is
that
correct
and
then
it
would
go
to
the
board
after
the
findings
are
signed.
A
Thank
you
and
the
applicant
might
be
able
to
answer
this
question,
but
do
we
have
anything
in
our
records
that
says
the
boise
or
the
meridian
school
district
plans
to
build
a
school?
That's
going
to
serve
700,
children
and
and
the
number
of
children
that
they
expected
to
serve
at
that
location?.
K
Madam
chair,
no,
I
I
don't
believe
we
have
anything
in
our
record
that
the
best
thing
you
have
is
this
exhibit,
I
believe
it's
exhibit
number
24..
It
talks
more
about
the
current
school
situation
and
it
talks
about
the
need
for
the
school,
but
it
does
not
talk
about
a
specific
number.
As
far
as
I'm
aware
of.
A
K
A
R
Yeah,
so
the
I've
heard
the
the
possibilities
of
we
could
either
go
right
to
the
county.
Commissioners,
if
you
guys
go
with
staff
recommendation
of
denial
or
you
could
change
your
recommendation,
rework
it.
It
would
delay
us
a
bit.
We
would
prefer
that
we
would
prefer
to
have
a
recommendation
out
of
this
body.
That
says:
yes,
we
want
to
allow
them
to
change
their
condition
of
approval.
I
just
think
it
reads
better
right.
R
I
mean
we'll
take
this
we'll
go
to
the
board
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
we
would
really
love
to
have
a
positive
recommendation
out
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
and
staff,
and
I
think
that
would
be
better
and
even
if
it
delays
us,
I
don't
know
a
month
or
two,
it's
a
better
situation
than
not
that's.
That's
our
thoughts.
Okay,.
R
No,
the
you
guys
were
asking
about
the
history
when
this
project
had
a
long
history,
so
this
project
was
approved
for
twice
as
density
was
approved
for
3
600
homes
and
had
a
high
school
site,
yeah
a
middle
school
site
and
an
elementary
school
site
and
the
traffic
impacts
were
so
large
and
it
was
inconsistent
with
the
type
of
product
that
we
like
to
build
and
the
community
that
we
envisioned
for
this
site
that
we
said.
R
That's
not
our
vision
of
this
community
we're
going
to
cut
the
density
in
half,
so
we
cut
it
to
1800
homes
from
3600,
and
we
went
to
the
school
district
at
the
time
and
said
how
many
school
sites
do
you
need
for
this?
Would
you
still
like
the
high
school
site,
the
middle
school
site,
the
elementary
school
site,
and
they
said?
No,
we
don't
really
need
the
high
school
site
in
the
middle
school
site,
but
we'd
like
to
have
an
elementary
school
site.
We
think
you
know
that's
appropriate,
and
so
those
sites
are,
you
know.
R
High
schools
are
typically,
I
think,
I'm
off
a
little
bit
here,
but
maybe
40
acres
middle
schools
are
probably
13
acres
and
elementary
schools
are
about
seven,
but
we
went
precisely
to
ada
county
our
west
state
of
school
district.
At
the
time
and
said
you
know,
you
have
an
architectural
layout
of
exactly
what
you
would
need.
Would
you
need
nine
acres
and
they
said
we
don't
need
nine
acres.
We
need
seven
acres,
here's
what
the
dimensions
will
look
like
and
we
basically
designed
that
into
the
plan.
R
B
Thank
you,
ma'am
sure
I
just
have
a
quick
one.
Obviously,
in
the
land
use
map,
that's
part
of
the
application
and
everything
there
is
that
one
singular
school
site
is
out
of
curiosity
as
the
rest
of
this
development
grows
and
moves
forward.
Do
you
envision
adding
a
middle
or
high
school
to
the
site,
because
to
me
I
can
imagine
a
similar
issue
of
not
having
a
middle
or
high
school
site
in
this
area
bubbling
up
again
in
the
future,
so
I'm
just
curious
kind
of
looking
forward.
If
you
have.
R
Yeah
so
looking
forward,
I
mean
we
were
driven
by
this
overall,
the
overall
recipe
that
west
ada
had,
and
they
were
the
ones
that
told
us
at
the
time
we
don't.
We
don't
see
enough
students
coming
out
of
here
of
that
age
bracket,
that
that
would
supersede
the
logistical
location
for
the
site
we
currently
have
in
mind,
and
so
it
was
basically
at
their
election
to
remove
those
sites
from
the
project,
and
that
was
that
was
it
in
a
nutshell.
R
So
we
were
giving
them
these
sites
for
free,
and
that
was
the
that
was
the
arrangement
and
I
so
I
think
that
the
the
this
this
site
works
for
this
community
and
you
know,
unfortunately,
the
high
school
kids
will
have
to
go
to
another
location
and
that's
just
what
was
in
the
plans.
You
know,
I
that's
how
it
evolved.
That's
how
traffic
studies
were
worked
out
and
that's
how
it
got
concluded.
So
we
cut
the
density
in
half
from
3
600
homes
to
1800.
R
They
said
you
don't
need
a
high
school,
you
don't
need
middle,
but
you
do
need
a
elementary
school
site,
and
so
anyway,
you
know
you
have
a
community
group
here.
That's
very
active
some
of
the
people
that
spoke
and
I
think
that
they
can.
You
know,
work
work
collaboratively
with
a
charter
school
company
to
come
to
the
right
conclusion
on
what
grades
and
ages-
and
you
know
you
may
not
have
as
many
elementary
schools,
but
you
may
have
a
few
more
middle
schoolers.
I
don't
know
I'm
not
here
to
draw
that
conclusion.
R
B
F
So
I'm
just
reading
through
the
the
letter
from
the
west
state
school
district-
and
they
said
right
now-
there's
96
students
from
the
dry
creek
area
that
are
going
to
west
state
of
schools
and
doesn't
break
it
out
elementary
middle
high
school.
F
So
are
there
enough
kids
right
now
to
really
truly
attract
a
charter
school?
Unless,
obviously
charter
schools
can
go
wherever
they
want?
I
mean
they
can
draw
kids
from
everywhere,
possibly
avalmore
and
and
there's
apparently
there's
a
private
school
looking
to
go
into
avalor
hillsdale
college
is
looking
to
build
a
school.
There
is
a
is
it?
Can
you
really
attract
a
a
school
with
the
number
of
kids
that
are
there
right
now
and
yeah.
R
I
I'm
going
to
tell
you
my
layman's
answer
is
I
think
that
you
can,
because
I
think
they
see
the
growth
occurring
and
the
future
growth,
and
I
think
they
they've
told
us
that
they're
ready
to
go.
This
was
a
year
or
so
ago
there
they,
we
talked
to
two
organizations
that
they
would
both
found
at
an
attractive
site.
Right
now
now
I
have
been
informed
about
from
steven
that
works
to
us
that
there's
a
gentleman
in
the
audience
with
us
with
a
with
a
charter
school
company
that
we
have
talked
to.
R
I
haven't
seen
them
in
a
while,
but
anyway,
and
they
could
probably
answer
a
lot
of
questions
for
you
if
you
have
them,
but
our
goal
wasn't
to
work
out
all
the
incendiary
details
of
a
charter
school
detail.
I
want
to
have
the
community
basically
worked
through
that
all
those
details
with
them
along
with
us,
but
it
was
simply
to
get
a
green
light
to
go
to
an
option
of
having
this
as
a
as
a
fair
alternative,
so
that
school
construction
would
not
be
delayed
for
the
for
the
for
the
kids
in
the
community.
R
So
I
think
they're
I
think
they
like
it.
I
think
they
find
it
ripe
in
the
in
the
process
and
they
see
continued
growth.
There
I
mean
we're
we're
selling
houses
still
consistently.
Every
month
I
mean
the
market's
taken
minor
positive
with
interest
rates
jacking
up,
but
that
community
is
still
a
vibrant
community.
A
So
follow
along
to
that
question.
When
do
you
think
the
community
bill
will
be
built
out
the
age.
R
Maybe
it's
125,
but
we've
always
said
for
purposes
of
our
sewer
plant
and
our
water
company
and
other
planning
efforts
that
we
think
it's
about
a
you
know:
100
125
homes
a
year
type
community,
and
so
you
know
you
have
about
400
I'll
call
it
homes
either
occupied
or
under
construction.
Today,
and
if
you
had
1800
minus
four,
that's
1400,
that's
about!
A
So
in
your
in
your
comparisons
or
you're,
talking
to
charter
schools
and
talking
to
the
west
daddy
school
district,
are
you
talking
about
similar
sized
schools?
So
is
the
west
data
planning
to
build
a
a
900
or
a
700
student
school
and
the
charter
schools
planning
to
build
a
250
student
school?
I
mean
that
would
be
a
pretty
big
difference
and
so
yeah.
R
You
know
peak
some
people
right,
the
the
population
ages
and
you
have
a
lot
of
little.
I
mean
today.
You
actually
you've
heard
these
mothers
in
the
community.
It's
a
very
vibrant
community.
With
a
lot
of
little
kids.
There
are
a
lot
of
little
tiny,
school-aged
kids
there
and
you
know
elementary
school
kids
right
now.
R
So
it
seems
like
a
young
community,
but
you
know
it
can
it
can
we
have
some
empty
nesters
as
well
and
as
things
time
goes
on,
you
know
the
population
curve
changes
a
bit
so
hard
to
say,
but
I'm
thinking
these
guys
were
thinking.
You
know
there
might
be
on
the
order
of
a
few
hundred
students
in
this
school
few.
I've
heard
numbers
time.
I
I
can't
remember
all
these
numbers
three
to
six
hundred
okay
and
if
anybody
has
better
data
or
thought
process
or
estimate,
I'm
all
ears,
I'm.
R
R
R
A
A
K
H
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Okay.
It
comes
a
time
in
the
meeting
when
I
opened
it
up
for
the
commissioners
to
do
a
motion
to
approve
this
application,
which
is
doesn't
match
what
the
staff
recommended
to
deny
the
application
which
matches
what
the
applicant
recommended
or
to
to
table
it.
And
I
guess,
if
we're
gonna
have
a
motion
to
approve
it,
we
should
probably
table
it
pending,
giving
the
staff
time
to
redo
the
the
application
or
that.
K
K
You
know
with
this
application
as
a
whole,
but
the
the
planning
zoning
commission
does
not
have
the
jurisdiction
or
the
authority
to
act
on
the
vacation,
because
it's
state
code
requires
us
to
board
the
axon
mass.
Hopefully
that
hey.
H
F
F
And
to
recommend
tabling
up
motion
until
to
update
the
findings
of
fact
until
the
september.
H
A
W
A
So
the
way
the
way
it
works
is
that
we
don't
talk
about
the
motion
until
we've
got
a
motion
on
the
floor
to
talk
about,
and
so
I'm
waiting
for
one
of
the
commissioners
to
provide
a
motion
that
is
moved
and
seconded,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
it,
and
so
sometimes
we
have
to
think
a
little
bit
if
this
is
these
are
hard
decisions.
D
B
Madam
chair,
based
on
the
findings
of
fact,
conclusions
of
law
contained
here
and
in
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing,
I
move
to
recommend
denial
of
project
two:
zero:
zero,
six,
zero,
zero;
two
one:
nine
dash
cpa
dash
d,
a
dash
m
and
two
zero.
Two:
two
zero
one:
three,
two:
nine
dash
v,
a
c
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners.
A
And
commissioner
burch
seconded
that
motion.
B
B
It
doesn't
seem
like,
given
what
was
presented
today,
that
there
is
essentially
a
contingency
plan
for
a
middle
or
high
school
to
serve
those
kids.
So
that's
kind
of
one
of
my
main
reasons
for
recommending
denial.
B
You
know
the
fact
that
this
is
also
kind
of
paused
for
growth
until
the
school
gets
developed.
The
way
it's
currently,
you
know
construct
or
the
way
the
whole
process
is
currently
right.
Now,
obviously,
new
platts
can't
be
you
know
added
with.
Indeed,
in
that
sense
I
feel
like
that
not
necessarily
will
be
abandoned
by
any
means
whatsoever,
but
it
will
prevent
those
1800
homes
from
going
in
until
there
is
an
elementary
school
to
serve
that
area.
You
know
so
for
me.
A
D
Yes,
I
suppose
that,
with
respect
to
the
arguments
made
by
the
developer
and
by
the
residents,
I
think
they
make
very
compelling
arguments.
I
wish
we
weren't
here
discussing
this.
I
wish
that
at
the
time
when
this
project
was
laid
out,
that
there
would
have
been
enough
thought
about
well,
maybe
the
way
bureaucracies
work
and
the
way
a
public
entity
like
a
school
district
works.
D
What
I
would
really
like
to
see
if
it's
within
the
board
of
county
commissioners
power
to
do
it
is
for
the
same
arguments
that
were
made
tonight
to
be
made
before
the
board
of
county
commissioners
and
try
to
persuade
the
board
of
county
commissioners
to
tell
the
school
district
that
they've
got
a
fish
or
cut
bait.
They've
got
three
years
to
decide
to
go
out
on
a
bond
issue,
and
and
if
they
don't,
then
it's
going
to
revert
back
to
the
development
and
they
can
go
with
a
charter
school
if
they
want.
A
F
I
guess
one
thing
I
wrote
down
was
that,
and
it
is
well
what
I
wrote
down
was
just
thinking
that
that.
H
F
West
state
of
school
district
needs
to
act
in
good
faith
and
to
be
promised
land
and
then,
when
it
comes
down
to
having,
indeed
to
them,
they're
well
we'll
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do
within
10
years
and
and
maybe
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
them
to
build
a
school
there
that
they're,
they
don't
see
that
there's
enough
kids
and
they
have
capacity
in
other
schools
in
order
to
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
neighborhood
as
far
as
they're
concerned.
So
why
should
they
build?
F
So
why
not
turn
that
land
over
to
somebody
who
can
make
it
the
decision
themselves
as
well,
whether
it's
worthwhile
to
build
the
school
there
charter
schools
are
very
popular,
they
would
draw
from
the
neighborhood
they
would
draw
from
nearby
avlimore
and
neighborhoods
that
are
nearby
an
eagle,
my
daughter's
ready
to
drive
from
star
out
to
avamor
to
go
to
a
charter
school.
That's
hopefully
going
to
be
built
there,
so
parents
are
motivated
to
go
the
extra
mile
for
their
kids
when
there's
a
charter
school
involved.
F
So,
rather
than
and-
and
I
agree
with
the
developer
that
schools
have
held
on
the
land
for
a
while
and
then
when
it
doesn't
suit
them
or
fit
their
needs,
they
go
ahead
and
sell
it
off
and
take
the
profits
and
use
it
somewhere
else.
So,
in
the
meantime,
these
families
sit
there
in
this
neighborhood
without
a
school
and
and
as
it
grows
and
they're
still
commuting
their
kids,
driving
them
or
having
buses
take
them
to
school
as
far
as
them
not
being
able
to.
F
Maybe
at
this
time
have
a
middle
school
or
high
school
there.
It's
a
big
difference
between
having
a
five
to
11
10
year
old.
Kid
have
to
be
bus
for
an
hour
as
opposed
to
a
young
teen
or
a
teenage
kid
who
can
maybe
even
drive
to
take
themselves
to
high
school.
That's
a
big
privilege
to
be
able
to
drive
yourself
to
high
school
or
gather,
get
you
together
with
your
friends
and
go
to
school
together.
There's.
H
F
Difference
in
having
young
kids
commute
like
that,
and
so
an
elementary
school
would
be
more
beneficial,
more
important
for
this
neighborhood
for
the
kids
that
are
there,
but
I
think
let
let
somebody
as
as
commissioner
bird
said,
fish
or
cut
bait,
and
maybe
a
charter
school
looks
in
it
further
and
they
say
ants,
that's
something
we
want
to
do.
F
Let
somebody
make
that
decision
as
well,
and
maybe
and
and
maybe
this
will
force
west
data
to
jump
on
the
ball
a
little
faster,
because
they
see
that
somebody
else
would
would
like
to
make
good
use
of
this
land.
That's
why
and
and
again,
as
with
commissioner
burr
said,
we're
going
to
kick
it
over
to
the
county
commissioners
as
well,
and
maybe
they
have
the
authority
to
put
a
little
more
pressure
or
make
some
kind
of
a
condition
for
west
data
to
to
make
a
decision
one
way
or
the
other.
A
Thank
you.
I've
got
just
a
little
bit
of
I've
been
to
meetings
at
my
local
school
district
and
and
seven
to
900
is
kind
of
the
size
for
an
elementary
school
and
in
charter
schools.
A
A
lot
of
charter
schools
are
only
300
students,
and
so
what
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
this
goes
to
the
county
commissioners,
is
that
there
be
some
discussion
about
how
big
the
schools
are
going
to
be,
that
they're
going
to
be
similar
sized
schools,
because
I'm
really
worried
about
this
being
an
undersized
school
that
doesn't
fit
the
needs
for
the
1800
houses
that
are
built
out
when
it's
a
charter.
A
I'm
really
worried
about
the
school
being
small
and
then
only
fitting
the
first
800
houses
in
the
subdivision
and
then
the
last
thousand
houses
don't
have
enough
space
and
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
head
shaking.
But
that's
not
any
of
the
information
that
we
were
presented,
and
so
that
would
strengthen
the
case
when
you
go
to
the
county
commissioners
and
talk
to
them.
But
I
don't
feel
good
about
telling
west
ada
that
this
thing
that
you
thought
you
had,
that
you've
been
doing
your
planning
on
for
the
for
the
last
years.
A
You
don't
have
any
more
because
we
made
that
decision
that
doesn't
feel
like
that
is
in
our
our
role.
Right
now,
and
so
we
know
that
it's
going
to
the
county
commissioners
and
this
testimony
will
be
there
and
there
are
lots
of
questions
and-
and
I
think
that
that
with
a
different
set
of
facts
or
a
different
set
of
authority,
you
know
that
that
might
be.
I
might
have
a
different
feel
for
this,
so,
commissioner,
burch,
do
you
have
any
more
comments.
B
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
agree
with
everything
commissioner
burch
said
and
echo.
What
you
said
is
all
about
how
it
doesn't
feel
like
it's
also
our
role
to
essentially
tell
west
data
you're
out
of
luck
and
make
that
decision
for
them,
even
though
it
is
a
recommendation
to
the
board.
You
know
I
do
understand
that
our
recommendations
do
carry
weight
in
that
sense,
and
I
also
don't
feel
comfortable
recommending
to
our
elected
body
of
the
county
commissioners
to
essentially
tell
west
ada.
You
know
you
took
a
little
too
long.
A
I
certainly
think
those
are
good
comments
and
I
certainly
think
that
they're,
I
appreciate
the
energy
that's
here
and
I
appreciate
people
bringing
up
the
issue
and
I
think
if
we
can
get
people
to
decide
which
direction
they're
headed.
That
might
be
helpful.
So,
mr,
do
you
have
any
questions
or
any
just.
F
Comment,
I
agree
with
your
your
idea.
As
far
as
the
size
of
the
school
seven
acres
is
not
very
big.
I
was
just
up
at
middleton
and
there
are
schools
there,
11
and
13
acres,
a
couple
of
them
over
there
and
which
so
the
size
of
that
lot
would
be
more
conducive
to
a
charter
school
than
a
public
school.
I
was
wondering
when
west
data
got
around
to
it.
H
A
But
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
this
this
we're
comparing
apples
to
apples
like
we're,
not
comparing
you
know
a
bigger
school
to
a
smaller
school.
So
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
that
was
part
of
the
discussion.
B
I
agree
with
that
as
well,
because
I
would
also
similar
to
what
you
were
saying
hate
to
see
the
first.
You
know
100
elementary
school
kids
be
able
to
be
serviced
and
walk
to
this
school,
but
then
the
rest
of
them
after
that,
you
know,
still
have
to
commit
to
that.
You
know
hour-long
bus
ride.
I'd
rather
be
able
to
serve
the
entire
area.
B
H
A
And
so
the
vote
right
now-
and
I
don't
have
the
thing
open
on
my
monitor,
but
the
vote
right
now
is
to
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation
to
deny
this
project
as
a
recommendation
to
the
county
commissioners
and
all
those
in
favor.
With
that
motion,
please
say:
aye
aye,
commissioner
says
I,
and,
and
I'm
gonna
say
I
and
all
those
opposed.
Please
say
I
now
and
there's
so.
A
The
vote
was
three
in
favor
of
the
denial
and
one
against
the
denial,
and
we
appreciate
everybody's
time
coming
down
tonight
and
we
encourage
you
to
go
to
the
next
meeting
and
and
bring
the
same
information
forward.
So.
H
A
On
the
agenda,
okay
and
then
we've
got
the
minutes,
which
is
next,
so
we've
got
the
minutes
from
the
july
28
minute
meeting
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
birch
for
being
the
person
in
charge
of
that
meeting.
A
G
Yeah,
madam
sheriff
commissioners,
it
was
a
pretty
full
agenda
and
they
got
through
it
pretty
quickly.
We
had
a
total
of
nine
items
and
I
don't
believe
any
of
them
had
requested
to
tables.
So
they
heard
all
nine
items.
First
item
was
that
cal
lily
subdivision
out
there
on
victory
road.
I
think
you
spent
some
time
with
it.
There
was
some
dispute
with
the.
G
The
east
and
the
drain
field
on
this
site
and
how
that
was
all
gonna
work
and
they
finally
got
it
resolved
the
neighbors
and
the
developer
figured
out
how
to
how
to
get
that
in
the
right
place,
and
so
the
board
approved
that
preliminary
plot
and
it
involved
an
agreement
regarding
the
drain
field.
That
involved
dedication
of
some
existing
open
space
areas
in
the
form
of
common
lots
that
were
created.
So
anyways
took
a
while
to
get
there,
but
they
got
that
one
done
feel
free
to
ask
questions
along
the
way
by
the
way.
G
G
G
Ultimately,
which
is
something
recorded
against
the
property
that
requires
future
property
owners
to
not
complain
about
a
capo.
Basically,
everyone
determined
that
the
right
farm
act
was
going
to
be
good
enough.
In
that
situation
they
didn't
require
that
nuisance
waiver,
and
so
that
project
was
approved
as
well.
G
In
terms
of,
if
you've
got.
G
Yes,
exactly
in
the
state
of
idaho,
the
right
to
farm
act
really
protects
existing
operators
and
says
you
know
you're
coming
to
the
nuisance
you're.
You
know
it's
up.
It's
up
to
you
to
know
what
you're
getting
into
basically.
So
the
third
one
was
that
apartment
project
at
lake
hazel
and
maple
grove
the
board
ultimately
approved
it
and
they
had
tabled
it
for
other
things
you
had
tabled
it
twice.
G
At
least
I
think
they
tabled
it
for
some
additional
information
ultimately
wanted
to
know
when
the
roundabout
was
going
to
be
built,
and
then
there
was
some
concern
about
cross
access
to
that
parcel
to
the
north
and
shd
had
suggested
that
we
require
that
and
the
board
had
interpreted
that
as
we
need
to
require
it.
G
A
Denied
it
on
the
zoning,
so
we
they
were
increasing
the
zoning
from
a
six
to
a.
G
Yeah
and
they
still
did
the
the
zone,
change
was
approved
yeah
and
it
was
ultimately
a
12
unit
project
that
they
were
approved.
For
so,
let's
see
the
there
was
another
apartment
project
over
off
of
cloverdale
road
adjacent
to
a
single-family
neighborhood.
You
would
recommend
the
approval
here.
It
was
approved
by
the
board,
as
well
with
some
additional
conditions
that
a
landscape
buffer
be
created
along
the
western
property
line
between
the
existing
single
family
neighborhood
and
the
new
proposed
project
that.
G
They
haven't
been
able
to
build
it
yet
due
to
just
construction
issues
as
well
as
achd,
there
was
a
variance
and
a
vacation
for
a
a
new
pool
out
in
the
boise
area
of
city
impact
off
sagebury
drive
that
was
approved.
G
There
was
a
time
extension
for
a
master
site
plan
associated
with
farmstead
that
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
that,
I
think
it's
out
in
the
cuna
area
that
was
tabled
due
to
some
neighbors
wanting
more
information
about
the
amount
of
parking
they're
providing
on
site
sounds
like
there,
potentially
some
impacts
to
the
roadway
out
there
that
the
neighbors
aren't
happy
with
and
they'd
like,
potentially
the
develop
the
operator
to
provide
more
parking
or
improve
more
parking
on
site.
G
Let's
see,
there's
a
variance
for
an
existing
detached
barn.
This
was
off
a
viewpoint
drive,
I
think,
also
in
the
boise
area.
I
might
be
wrong
about
the
exact
location.
G
We
also
had
a
variance
for
a
accessory
structure
again,
another
one
where
someone
built
it
illegally
and
then
had
to
ask
for
forgiveness
that
one
was
approved
as
well
and
then
finally,
there
was
a
reconsideration
by
the
board
for
a
cell
tower
on
floating
feather
road.
I
don't
know
if
you
recall
that
one
you
recommended
approval
the
board,
overturned
your
approval
and
denied
the
project,
and
then
the
original
applicant
requested
reconsideration.
So
that's
where
they
can
ask
the
board
to
reopen
and
look
at
their
decision
and
make
sure
they
got
all
the
facts.
G
G
G
That
was
within
two
miles
that
had
not
been
evaluated
by
the
applicant.
So
the
outcome
that
was
the
kind
of
reason
for
the
applicant
asking
to
reconsider,
is
like.
Let's
go
look
at
that
tower
and
figure
out
if
it'll
work
they
looked
at.
The
tower
sounds
like
there
was
space
on
the
tower
for
them
to
co-locate
if
they
wanted
to.
But
despite
all
that,
the
applicant
still
said
that
it
wasn't
going
to
resolve
the
gap
in
coverage.
The
board
disagreed,
and
so
that's
why
it
was
tonight.
B
G
No,
that's
another
one.
That's
on
beacon,
light
road
that
one's
still
pending
that
goes
back
to
the
board
in
september.
That
was
where
they
asked
me
to
go.
Do
a
lot
of
stuff
map
all
of
the
cell
towers,
initially
within
10
mile
radius,
which
was
like
all
of
ada
county.
We
got
them
to
reduce
that
to
we
did
five
miles,
so
we
identified
all
towers
within
five
miles:
our
carriers,
all
housing
and
new
development.
G
If
it's
over
50
units
in
size,
so
that's
all
mapped.
We
also
hired
a
third-party
engineer
to
review
the
materials
to
help
us
determine
if
there
was
a
gap
in
coverage.
That's
right.
We
had
legal
looking
at
a
number
of
things,
yeah.
It
was
quite
an
extensive
list.
It'll
be
quite
the
memo.
If
you
guys
ever
want
to
read
what
a
complicated
fault
memo
looks
like
you,
guys
can
look
at
that
one
as
an
example,
but
that's
everything.
So
thank
you.
We
don't
have
a
second
meeting
this
month.