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A
Thank
you
very
much
for
everybody
coming
today
to
the
planning
and
zoning
meeting,
we'll
start
with
a
roll
call.
Brenda
blittman
is
here,
commissioner
birch
here,
commissioner
exton
here,
commissioner
wickstrom
commissioner
brown.
Here,
commissioner
colson
is
absent
and
commissioner
roush
is
absent.
A
I'm
going
to
ask
the
commissioners
as
we
go
through
the
agenda.
Let's
I'm
going
to
make
the
suggestions
that
maybe
we
table
everything
that's
going
to
be
tabled
before
we
call
the
people
that
are
applicants
and
that
way.
If
we
have
people
that
are
either
on
the
line
or
in
the
room,
they
can
be
excused
because
their
item
has
been
tabled.
A
B
A
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Wickstrom
move
that
we
tabled.
That
motion.
Is
there
a
second
second
second
from
commissioner
exton,
any
discussion
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Let
the
motion
reflect
that
all
the
commissioners
voted
to
table
that
project
until
may.
26
2022.
A
D
The
future
and
land
use
map
in
the
boise
conference
of
plans
adopted
by
a
county
designates
the
property
as
compact,
which
has
a
target
density
of
66
to
15
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
lists
apartments
as
a
primary
use.
The
property
is
also
located
within
a
neighbor
neighborhood
activity
center,
which
has
a
target
density
of
8
to
16
units
per
acre
and
allows
projects
designed
in
accordance
with
the
city's
design
standards
have
even
higher
densities.
D
The
proposal
for
compact
multi-family
development
is
compatible
with
the
adopted
comprehensive
plan.
The
reason
to
the
r20
district
also
complies
with
the
purpose
statement
of
the
r20
district.
The
general
purpose
statement
for
residential
districts
is
to
implement
the
applicable
comprehensive
plan
within
areas
of
city
impact,
providing
appropriate
density
for
residential
development
based
on
the
availability
of
urban
public
facilities
surrounding
land
uses
and
the
applicable
compressive
plan
designation.
D
D
Since
the
structure
has
a
footprint
that
is
greater
than
10
000
square
feet,
it
must
be
designed
such
that
the
building
mass
and
bulk
are
distributed.
The
structure
has
been
designed
that
building
mass
and
bulk
are
distributed,
as
there
is
varied
setbacks
within
the
structure
providing
for
a
varied
outward
appearance.
D
There
are
variations
in
the
horizontal
offsets
of
the
structure,
facade
and
a
change
in
grade
from
the
front
of
the
building
to
the
rear
of
the
building.
The
multi-family
development
is
in
compliance
with
a
county
code
as
it
complies
with
the
specific
use
standards
for
multi-family
development,
along
with
the
met
with
the
standards
for
a
master
site
plan.
D
Numerous
members
of
the
public
had
provided
comments
on
the
initial
application
proposal.
The
concerns
with
the
initial
application
proposal
were
that
the
a
county
highway
district's
requirement
for
the
access
to
come
off
of
south
oboe
avenue.
The
residents
of
the
multifamily
development
were
also
expressed.
They
also
expressed
concerns
that
residents
of
the
multi-family
development
would
park
on
the
adjacent
residential
streets
and
the
compatibility
of
the
development
to
surrounding
homes.
D
At
this
time
we've
only
received
you
know
one
comment,
and
this
is
from
jeff
greenlee,
who
is
from
the
fillers
glenn
hoa
member
and
so
jeff
sent
an
email
to
me
around
4
25
this
afternoon.
Unfortunately,
he
wasn't
able
to
come
to
the
public
hearing
due
to
health
reasons,
and
so
he
asked
me
to
read
his
email
into
the
record
and
prior
to
the
public
hearing.
I'd
pass
out
that
email
to
you
and
this
email
will
be
exhibit
number
68..
D
He
states
I'm
jeff
greenlee
a
board
member
on
the
fiddler's
glen
hoa.
The
hoa
is
not
opposed
to
this
development
as
a
whole.
Of
course
they
need
to.
We
need
to
ensure
that
the
hoa
is
not
negatively
financially
impacted
by
the
development
based
on
the
latest
site
plans.
I've
seen
I
have
three
comments
or
concerns
I
would
like
to
address
at
the
public
hearing
one.
D
A
number
of
agencies
have
provided
comments
on
the
application,
the
boise
fire
department.
On
behalf
of
the
whitney
fire
district
stated
that
the
area
is
already
served
by
them
and
the
service
level
demand
for
this
slightly
increased
density
will
be
minor
and
that
they
can
approve
of
this
application.
D
The
specific
building
construction
requirements
of
the
international
building
code
and
the
international
fire
code
will
apply.
The
a
county
highway
district
replied
that
the
development
is
estimated
to
generate
81
vehicle
additional
vehicle
trips
per
day
and
seven
additional
vehicle
trips
per
hour
in
the
pm
peak
hour,
based
on
the
institute
of
transportation
engineers,
ite
chip
generation
manual,
11th
edition
traffic
counts
on
lake
hizzle,
road
and
maple
grove
road
are
within
the
acceptable
pm
peak
hour
level,
service
e.
D
D
D
Staff
is
recommending
for
another
condition
of
approval
to
be
added
to
the
conditions
of
approval
that
was
inadvertently
left
off
of
the
draft
conditions
of
approval.
This
proposed
condition
states
the
owner
shall
provide
a
cross-access
easement
for
lot
14
block
3,
which
is
the
northern
lot,
a
fiddler's
glance
subdivision
to
cross
lot.
15
block
3
of
fiddler's
glen
said
division,
which
is
the
southern
lot,
and
this
condition
would
not
require
the
multi-family
development
to
cross
into
the
northern
lot.
C
Just
to
make
make
it
clear,
thank
you,
mr
danielson.
Do
they
have
it's
going
to
be
a
requirement
then,
to
have
that
access
on
that
northern
lot,
then,
as
when
the
southern
lot's
being
developed.
D
So
right
now
with
just
the
southern
lot,
the
only
at
that
access
point,
because
when
this
is
developed,
so
the
the
applicant
only
has
a
base
doesn't
own
the
property
currently,
so
they
have
a
base.
I
think
a
contract.
You
know
for
the
property,
so
with
this
project,
they'd
only
be
purchasing
the
southern
lot
and
so
because
of
that,
acc
would
be
required
to
grant
them
access.
You
know
on
to
maple
grove
road
and
so
the
access
point
the
applicant
had
originally
proposed
for
the
access
to
be
off
of
lake
hazel
road.
D
E
A
D
Well,
one
thing:
one
of
the
requirements
that
we
do
have
is
the
applicant
will
need
to
submit
a
landscaping
screening
plan,
and
so
that
could
possibly
be
a
part
of
the
landscaping
screening
plan.
And
we
may
you
may
want
to
consider
admat
too,
as
a
condition
that,
along
that
northeast
corner,
that
they
would
be
a
six
foot,
privacy
fence
without
a
gate.
So
that
could
be
listed
as
a
condition
of
approval
that
you
would
recommend.
You
know
for
the
board
to
adopt.
D
Surprise
defense
would
be
the
northeast
corner
right
here.
So
it'd
be
right
here
that
they
would
want
that
six
foot,
privacy
fence
and
right
on
this
corner
here.
A
D
A
And
where's
the
homeowners
common
areas
located
at
that
that
they're
going
to
be
welcome
to
use.
A
F
Richard
willmott,
chrysalis
architecture,
3914,
east
presidential,
drive
meridian
idaho
good
evening.
Thank
you
for
hearing
our
application
brent
appreciate
the
report
on
our
project.
If
you
recall,
you
know,
we,
we
had
our
media
initial
meeting
on
january
13th
and
we
were
proposing
22
units
for
both
lots.
F
F
Also,
we
we've
gone
through
the
exercise,
which
was
a
fairly
significant
ordeal
sort
of
at
the
last
moment.
Prior
to
our
january
hearing,
achd
provided
a
report
that
literally
was
received
two
or
three
hours
before
the
hearing
here
and
basically
said
we
weren't
granted
access,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
caused
a
lot
of
consternation
with
the
neighbors
and
and
the
commission
rightly
so.
We
completely
understand
that
we
since
went
back
to
achd
and
obviously
revised
our
proposal,
but
we've
now
come
to
an
agreement
with
achd
about
only
taking
access
from.
F
As
brett
mentioned,
maple
grove
we
initially
had
proposed
an
access
from
lake
hazel,
with
our
initial
revision,
thinking
that,
because
of
the
separation
from
the
intersection
that
that
section
of
the
property
is
farther
away
from
the
intersection,
so
logically,
it
made
sense
for
it
to
be
there.
However,
in
our
opinion,
it
doesn't
really
affect
the
site
plan
too
dramatically,
if,
if
we
were
to
take
access
off
maple
grove
and
we're
completely
okay
with
that
and
completely
fine
with
that,
additionally,.
F
F
What
the
way
that
we
understand
the
requirement
from
achd
that
that
brent
is
referring
to,
and
his
report
or
conditioning
in
the
report
also
is
that
is
that
we
on
our
parcel
on
the
south
parcel
would
would
allow
for
cross
access.
We
would
set
up
the
cross
access
on
the
south
parcel
so
that
when
the
north
parcel
is
developed
if
it
is
developed,
it
would
then
have
the
ability
to
connect
to
the
cross
access
that
already
exists
given
through
this
process
on
our
parcel
on
the
south
parcel.
F
F
And
again,
I
think
that
we
can
work
through
the
access
position,
moving
it
from
lake
hazel
to
maple
grove.
We
don't
see
any
concerns
with
that.
However,
you
know
logically,
it
would
make
sense
to
leave
it
where
we
have
it,
but
if
achd
wants
it
on
maple
grove,
then
we'll
put
it
on
maple
graph
in
terms
of
the
parking
that
was
also
a
fairly
major
concern.
F
You
know.
Initially,
we
were
proposing
22
units.
We
also
had
at
that
time.
I
want
to
say
54
parking
spaces
for
the
22
units,
so
that
was
all
inclusive
of
of
the
necessary
and
required
parking
spaces
for
the
units,
as
well
as
the
guest
parking
spaces,
and
we
were
actually
over
parked
by
two
or
three
two
or
three
stalls
that
was
with
the
initial
22..
F
Obviously
we
can't
park
on
maple
grove
and
lake
hazel,
so
we
we're
trying
to
accommodate
those
those
conditions
and
I
think
we
have
in
a
fairly
good
manner,
even
with
the
access
changing
to
maple
grove.
We
still
can
accommodate
that
many
parking
spaces.
F
F
The
the
one
thing
that
I
think
brent
had
touched
on
was
relative
to
the
late
correspondence
from
the
hoa.
We,
we
don't
have
any
issue
discussing
the
hoa
dues.
I
think
we're
these
two
parcels.
The
north
and
the
south
are
part
of
the
subdivision
and
therefore,
I
think
have
have
the
ability
to
utilize
the
amenities
available
to
the
subdivision
and
therefore
we
we
would
expect
that
we
would
participate
in
whatever
our
pro
rata
share
of
that
obligation
would
be,
and
we
don't
take
any
objection
to
that.
F
I
think
just
for
clarification
purposes,
we
should
probably
discuss
the
potential
location
for
the
fence
relative
to
the
hoa
dues.
You
know
if
they're
going
to
make
us
put
up
a
fence
and
then
they're
going
to
prohibit
us
from
using
the
amenities
and
then
block
our
way
to
get.
There
seems
a
little
offhanded
to
us.
F
However,
I
think
in
terms
of
the
north
northeast
corner,
what
they're,
probably
referring
to
in
my
speculation,
is
actually
that
northeast
corner
that
is
oboe
where
it
comes
in
and
touches
the
north
parcel.
It
actually
kind
of
creates
a
little
odd
corner
there.
An
odd
angle,
my
speculation
is
that
they're
asking
for
a
fence
there,
not
necessarily
on
our
proper
north
property
line.
It
would
be
a
little
unusual
to
only
do
a
let's
say,
let's
just
say,
a
partial
fence
along
what
would
be
a
potential
northeast
corner
of
our
otherwise
rectangular
lot.
F
F
F
As
far
as
the
the
conditions
themselves,
we
don't
take
any
any
objection
to
the
conditions
prepared
by
the
planning
planning
staff
and
we
we
look
forward
to
any
comments
or
questions
that
the
commissioners
may
have
and
look
forward
to.
Your
approval.
A
C
I
know
why,
just
there
are
two
different
layouts
that
I'm
showing
on
the
report
that
we
have
there's.
Are
you
going
to
go
with?
A
three-story
looks
like
be
four
units
per
floor
because
there's
another
one,
the
the
other
map
on
age
246
shows.
C
Was
it
six
different
units?
That
one
is
that
that
was
the
initial
okay.
F
That
was
the
initial
initial
layout
and
we
were.
We
were
at
one
point
thinking
about
doing
just
two
story
with
our
initial
revision,
but
since
compacted
the
floor
plan,
so
that
it's
just
four
units
and
three
stories:
okay,.
C
And
and
then
thank
you
very
much
if
I
could
follow
up
on
that
for
the
fencing,
then
what
there
are
no
plans
right
now
to
separate
the
southern
lot
from
the
northern
lot
they're
just
going
to
be
open
right
now.
There's
I
mean
there'll
be
a
landscape.
They
will
stop.
Imagine
that
that
so
there's
there's
no
plan
for
any
fencing
dividing
those
two
parcels
right
now.
F
Commissioner
wickstrom,
that
that
is
correct
right
now,
there's
a
property
line
between
the
north
and
the
south.
With
our
proposal,
it
is
just
an
edge
of
landscaping.
There
is
no
proper
fence
of
any
substantiation
or
height
or
anything
like
that.
C
And
probably
then
so
then,
if
they
did
just
want
the
fencing
up
there
like
they
think
you're
right
as
far
as
they
want
to
where
that,
where
oboe
is
up
there
in
the
curve,
do
you
have
control
of
that
area?
Will
you
have
control
of
that
area
where
you
can
put
a
fence
on
there,
you'll
be
able
to
do
that.
F
We
do
not.
We
do
not
have
control
of
that
the
further
with
the
initial
application.
In
january,
we
were
previously
showing
what
was
a
connectivity
from
the
sidewalk
along
lake
hazel
up
to
the
sidewalk
at
oboe
or
obi
and
and
the
the
purpose
of
that
was
to
encourage
connectivity,
because
we
didn't
have
any
objection
from
neighbors
wanting
to
get
out
of
the
neighborhood
to
maybe
get
to
lake
hazel
or
get
to
maple
grove.
We
were
actually
encouraging
that
sort
of
activity.
So
to
me
we
would
just
for
general
planning
purposes
and
pedestrian
connectivity.
F
It
would
make
sense
to
provide
that
connection
and
not
block
it
right,
not
only
for
the
the
single
family
residents
in
in
within
the
subdivision,
but
also
for
our
for
our
particular
project.
It
pedestrian
connectivity
is
a
not
a
terrible
thing,
so
we
would
encourage
that.
Okay.
E
So
I
think
back
just
on
that
fence.
I
know
exactly
what
they're
saying
that
was
the
biggest
opposition
they're
just
trying
to
stop,
because
if
you
have
allow
any
connectivity
through
there
you're
going
to
have
the
same
issue
you
have
across
the
street,
which
is
where
charter
point
sub
has
their
apartments
you're
going
to
have,
because
I
mean
two
is
great.
E
I
have
two
children
that
live
in
apartment
complexes
and
they
each
person
in
the
house
has
a
car
and
each
person
has
a
boyfriend
that
they
split
the
rent
with
so
there's
four
people
living
in
a
two-bedroom
apartment
with
four
vehicles,
and
if
you
go
over
on
any
given
night,
they're
sitting
there
playing
video
games
with
two
or
three
of
their
buddies
that
are
there
too.
So
now
you've
got
a
total
of
six
vehicles
to
a
two-bedroom
apartment.
E
E
My
question
would
be
so
if
we
move
that
access
to
to
maple
grove
and
we're
only
doing
the
one
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
many
feet
that
is,
but
I'm
guessing
it's
going
to
line
up
somewhere
close
to
like
the
left-hand
turn
lane,
how
how's
access
from
maple
grove
going
to
be
achieved,
say
you're,
coming
south
on
maple
grove
and
wanting
to
turn
in
there
is
there
going
to
be?
Are
they
going
to
be
expected
to
u-turn
and
then
turn
right
only
into
there?
How
what's
the
traffic
flow
of
that.
F
F
However,
achd
has
conditioned
the
access
to
be
a
right
in
and
right
out
onto
maple
grove.
So
the
only
way
out
of
this
project
or
out
of
this
property
is
to
go
northbound
on
on
maple
grove
and
and
then
also
the
only
way
to
approach.
It
is
from
the
south
on
maple
grove
to
make
a
right-hand
turn
in
into
the
into
the
property.
E
Thank
you
and
then
one
more
question
on
the.
So
we
could
we
took
it
down
to
12
lots,
but
there
are
12
units,
but
we're
talking
about
half
the
property.
Now
is
there
a
plan
for
the
to
how
many
you
would
plan,
I'm
assuming
you
guys
are
hoping
to
maybe
acquire
that
northern
section
later
and
add
units
to
that,
because
there
really
wouldn't
be
any
other
use
for
that
piece
kind
of
going
back
to
your
original
plan.
But
so,
if
we,
you
know,
I
guess
I'm
not
sure.
E
F
F
It
only
has
a
basically
a
four
inch
connection,
point
tie-in
and
fortunately,
for
this
particular
development.
The
there
was
a
stub
in
into
the
southern
property
prior
to
the
moratorium,
which
effectively
grandfathered
us
into
a
situation
where
we
were
allowed
some
development
on.
If
we
chose
both
of
these
properties
or
just
the
one
being
the
southern
property.
F
Once
that
connection
point
is,
let's
just
say
utilized,
there
is
no
more
development
on
that
northern
parcel
until
it's
annexed
into
the
city
of
boise,
so
in
effect
it's
locking
up
that
parcel
until
a
date
on
certain
relative
to
the
annexation
within
the
city
of
boise
and
as
as
kind
of
brent
alluded
to
in
his
report
relative
to
the
comprehensive
plan.
F
These
two
particular
properties
could
potentially
have
as
many
as
40
units
per
acre
on
them,
and
so
what
we
came
in
with
initially
as
a
22-unit
project
was
probably
a
best-case
scenario
for
the
neighbors
and
and
current
you
know
desired
or
lowered,
lower
desired
density
requirements
being
lower.
F
Now
it
just
leaves
it
up
to
the
city
of
boise
relative
to
that
potential
property
having
as
as
many
as
another
20
units
on
it.
So
we
don't
know,
we
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
it's
not
under
our
control.
F
We,
we
are
we're
we're
solely
focused
on
the
southern
piece
and,
if
we're
fortunate
enough
to
be
involved
in
the
north
parcel
when
the
time
comes,
then
we'll
certainly
well.
I'm
sure
we'll
certainly
take
a
look
at
it.
But
my
discussions
with
the
planners
at
the
city
of
boise
is
such
that
they
have.
They
have
no
expectation
of
when
this
area
will
be
annexed
and
for
us,
that's
not
that's,
not
something.
That's
currently
on
our
forecast.
A
A
Thank
you,
I've
got,
is
it
randy
stevie
and
I
said:
are
there
people
online
okay?
Is
there
a
is
it
randy
looks
like
an
r
8845.
H
My
name
is
crystal:
address
is
8890
west
dulcimer
street,
so
I
live
actually
quite
close
to
where
the
project
is
planned.
H
Gotcha,
do
you
want
me
to
repeat
that?
Okay,
so
it's
crystal
address
is
8890
west
dulcimer
street.
So
actually
I
live
quite
close
to
where
the
project
is
planned.
H
Yeah
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
was
kind
of
just
the
overflow
of
traffic,
just
because
from
living
in
apartments
that
were
like
a
two
three
bedroom
type
situation.
Usually
I
mean
in
a
two
bedroom:
it's
not
just
gonna
be
two
cars.
Usually
it's
like
two
people
per
that
bedroom.
H
So
we're
expecting
more
like
three
four
cars
per
unit,
and
I
mean
I
just
like
two
units
and
like
three
extra
and
not
I
mean
you
can
just
expect
there
to
be
like
extra
visitors
on
top
of
just
the
regular
vehicles
there-
and
I
just
I'm
concerned
for
that-
just
overflowing
into
the
neighborhood,
where
parking
is
already
an
issue,
because
a
lot
of
us
don't
have
a
driveway.
H
I
mean
a
lot
of
us.
Do
just
have
you
know
like
a
shared
alleyway
with
like
garages
facing
that
way.
H
So
a
lot
of
us
that
don't
aren't
able
to
get
our
cars
into
the
garage
end
up
parking
in
the
street,
and
so
of
course,
when
I
have
people
over,
I
mean
it's
still.
Even
a
struggle
then
just
to
have
you
know
enough
parking
for
everybody
without
you
know
taking
off
your
neighbors,
so
I
can
just
imagine
a
lot
of
that
overflow,
possibly
going
into
the
neighborhood
without
some
sort
of
barrier
in
the
way
you
know.
On
top
of
that,
too,
there's
also
noise,
and
you
know
a
lot
of.
H
I
know
that
a
lot
of
kids
to
play
on
the
streets.
So,
of
course,
if
we
have
increased
traffic
through
our
neighborhood,
that
could
also
be
problematic
and
ultimately
too
just
aesthetically.
I
mean
it
just
it's
very
modern.
Looking
a
lot
of
the
houses
within
our
neighborhood
have
a
very
kind
of
like
old
country
style.
You
know
it's
got
like
porches
and
whatnot,
and
just
with
the
big
sort
of
modern
looking
building,
I
feel
like
it's
gonna
clash,
probably
with
the
aesthetic
but
yeah.
That's.
A
That's
my
opinion.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
yeah
for
sure
giving
you
your
comments.
I
appreciate
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
I
apologize.
I
forgot
to
tell
everybody
that
there's
a
three
minute
limit,
but
you
were
you
were
under
it,
so
we
didn't
have
to
stop
you,
but
we've
got
three
minutes
to
talk
and
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
call
the
next
person
it's
logan,
osler.
I
Sure,
loganossler
8890
west
ultimate
street
yeah,
my
biggest
concern
is
definitely
the
parking
and
traffic
because
without
any
sort
of
barrier
there
I
think
it's
just
gonna
encourage
them
like
to
just
park
there
and
drive
through.
I
know
a
big
problem
last
time
was
the
increased
traffic,
but
I
mean
I've
never
been
to
a
an
apartment
complex
that
had
enough
parking.
So
I
do
anticipate
that
traffic
and
parking's
gonna
be
really
bad
in
there
if
there
isn't
some
sort
of
barrier.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
you
coming
down
tonight
and
giving
us
your
comments.
I've
got
susan
lynch.
J
Don't
want
to
move
up,
I
feel
like.
Oh
sorry,
susan
lynch,
my
address
is
8808
west
dulcimer,
I'm
on
the
opposite
corner,
not
really
opposite,
but
we
play
in
the
whole
circle.
We
left
last
meeting
with
understanding
that
the
applicant
was
gonna,
go
back
to
achd
and
learn
about
better
ways
to
use
this
land.
I
really
feel
like
they
have
done
that.
I
have
heard
from
many
sources
that
the
applicant
has
not
been
working
well
with
achd
and
all
their
requirements.
They
have
been
asking
with
this
construction
of
the
roundabout.
J
I
guess
I'm
confused.
I've
looked
at
the
plans
from
the
applicant
and
the
achd
and
I'm
confused.
They
came
out
the
surveyors
came
out
this
last
week
and
marked
where
the
roundabout
was
going
to
be
taking
the
big
square
of
the
land
on
the
corner
from
each
corner
of
the
four-way,
and
I
don't
see
on
the
plans
anywhere
where
it
shows
that
there
these
plans
are
even
showing
where
that
land
is
getting
taken
away.
It's
showing
that
the
building
butts
up
against
the
road,
but
according
to
achd
they're
taking
that
entire
strip.
J
So
I
guess
I'm
confused
how
that's
going
to
work
out.
I
don't
think
they've
actually
listened
and
followed
what
the
achd
has
said
that
they're
doing
with
the
roundabout.
J
I'm
adamantly
opposed
for
the
rezoning
of
this
property,
especially
now
that
you
they
have
cut
the
property
in
half
and
are
trying
to
cram
in
just
as
many
apartments.
It
feels
like
into
a
less
space.
I
don't
feel
like
it
matches
our
current
culture
in
our
neighborhood,
with
all
our
little
children
running
around
and
all
we
have.
We
live
fairly
in
a
fairly
safe
neighborhood,
where
everybody
knows
everybody,
and
I
feel
like
that.
Adding
all
of
those
apartments
will
take
that
away.
J
I'm
also
confused
where,
on
one
of
the
reports
I
received,
it
said
that
there
will
be
an
increase
of
traffic
of
100
810
cars
in
a
day,
I'm
confused
where
that
increase
is
going
to
be.
Is
it
going
to
be
on
my
street
and
if
it
is,
then
that
it
concerns
me,
and
I
can
see
people
seeing
the
apartments
and
wanting
to
access
the
apartments
and
coming
into
my
street
being
very
lost
that
they
can't
access
it
through?
J
That
way,
my
I'm
also,
I
am
concerned
about
parking
and
overflow,
the
adjacent
apartment,
and
they
brought
that
up
in
their
report
at
charter
point
has
huge
issues
with
crime
and
parking
and
it's
all
over
and
I'm
sure
that's
going
to
overflow
into
our
little
circle.
We've
talked
about
this
before,
but
we
have
three
to
four
drivers
in
an
apartment:
building,
there's
no
way
that
you
only
have
one,
and
so
where
are
these
people
gonna
park
even
with
27
parking
spaces
that
that's
what
was
said
on
the
report?
J
27.,
I'm
concerned
that
I
guess
I'm
just
concerned
overall
that
this
is
just
not
going
to
be
good
for
my
neighborhood
and
I
feel
like
you
should
just
match
the
current
culture
that
we
have
there
with
put
on
a
few
houses
put
on
a
few
duplexes
and
let
it
and
let
it
match
our
property.
A
K
My
name
is
deborah
ross
and
I
live
at
6062
south
tambourine
avenue,
which
is
just
kitty
like
the
opposite
corner
of
this
property,
I'm
speaking
in
opposition
to
the
rezoning
to
the
property
to
r20,
please,
if
allowing
any
building
to
keep
the
site
at
their
original
r8,
like
susan,
said
just
put
up
some
duplexes,
that's
already
the
culture
of.
What's
going
on
in
that
neighborhood,
the
last
meeting
in
january
you,
the
council,
requested
the
applicant
to
gain
achd
approval,
and
it
doesn't
seem
that
they
have
completed
this
as
the
roundabout.
K
Achd
is
already
marking
the
land
to
expand
lake
hazel
and
maple
grove
intersection
into
a
multi-lane
roundabout.
Those
roundabouts
always
have
a
drainage
pond
per
achd
and
ac
achd
is
yet
to
mark
which
corner
this
will
go
on.
This
lot
is
very
small,
and
the
current
proposed
plan
does
not
reflect
the
roundabout
or
the
neighborhood.
It
directly
impacts,
as
residents
pleaded
in
january
meet
in
the
january
meeting.
The
loop
of
south
oval
sithar,
dulcimer
and
tambourine
is
quite
small
and
already
has
parking
and
car
traffic
issues.
K
Once
the
roundabout
is
finished,
I
plead
with
you
to
hold
this
applicant
accountable
for
what
you
asked
from
them,
which
was
to
work
with
achd
for
all
construction
traffic
and
future
resident
traffic
and
to
help
keep
our
neighborhood
safe.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
L
L
Here
and
then
there's
a
bus
stop
right
at
the
top
of
that
corner
like
right
up
on
the
top
and
and
then
there's
a
stop
closer
down
here,
so
they
have
to
walk.
They
walk
through
this
area.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you,
that's
what
I
wanted
to
know
if
they
walk
through
the
area
to
get
the
best
stops.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
commissioners
letting
me
ask
questions.
Okay.
Is
there
anybody
else
in
the
room
or
online
who
wants
to
provide
testimony
on
this
case,
I'm
getting
no
from
online?
I
don't
see
anybody
in
the
room
raising
their
hand.
So
I'm
going
to
go
to
mr
danielson.
We
might
have
a
few
questions
for
you.
E
Jameson,
where,
let's
answer
the
question
of
the
round
about,
is
that
is
I'm
looking
at
that
one
picture:
is
that
kind
of
the
the
dotted
line,
that's
along
the
edge
of
the
structures
there,
where
the.
D
D
There
would
be,
you
know,
pedestrian
facilities,
you
know
along
the
streets,
so
they
would
be.
You
know,
curb
gutter
sidewalk
along
the
street
and
that
typically
with
the
bride
of
way,
the
curbing
gutter
and
sidewalk
are
typically
located
within
the
railway
itself.
A
D
A
And
then
who's
responsible
for
the
pedestrian
connectivity,
because
I
I
just
got
a
nice
pathway
poster
from
another
city,
and
so
I
wondered
who
who
makes
sure
that
we
have
connectivity
between
all
these
these
properties
in
terms
of
pedestrian
connectivity.
So.
D
That
would
be
the
blind
used
juris,
land
use
agency
and
also
achd,
so
obviously
shd
maintains
is
in
charge
of
roads
and
access
points,
and
so
obviously
those
pedestrian
facilities
go.
You
know
in
the
typically
the
right
way
that
achd
owns
and
then
offside
pedestrian
pathways
would
be
something
that
the
land
use
agency
would
maybe
require.
D
So
you
know,
if
you
had
a
development
that
had
open
space,
you
know,
as
the
land
usage
agency
would
say:
okay,
we
need
to
have
a
sidewalk
leading
from
point
a
to
point
b,
so
that
point
that
trailer
pathway
may
not
be
on
achieving,
but
it
would
be
through
maybe
common
area
that
the
you
know,
let's
say
the
development
of
subdivision
owned.
So
it
would
be,
you
know,
through
those
two
entities,
would
determine
you
know
kind
of
pathway,
connections
and
then
also
on
a
land
use
agency.
D
D
D
I
am
not
really
sure
it
looks
like
it's
some
turf
and
it
looks
like
this
is
kind
of
more
like
a
utility
area,
and
I
think.
G
G
A
F
Wilmot
chrysalis
architecture,
3914,
east
presidential,
drive,
meridian,
idaho,
just
to
sort
of
touch
on
on
the
let's
just
say,
approvals
and
correspondence
with
achd.
It's
actually
been
a
fairly
extensive
effort.
F
We
wouldn't
have
their
report
without
their
approval,
and
so
we've
basically
gained
that
with
the
them
requesting
their
access
to
be
off
of
maple
grove
relative
to
the
bus
stops.
If
there
is
a
bus
stop
along
the
northern
property
line
of
the
north
parcel
it's
fairly
out
of
distance,
of
where
our
potential
access
point
would
be,
and
also,
if
there's
a
bus
stop.
That
is
just
at
the
end
of
that
pathway
that
comes
between
the
two
buildings
there
to
our
east.
F
That
bus
stop
would
also
be
uninterrupted
by
what
we're
planning
to
propose
and
provide
so
just
to
clarify
the
the
access
will
only
be
off
of
maple
grove.
There
won't
be
any
vehicular
access
whatsoever
off
of
oboe.
It
would
only
be
coming
off
of
maple
grove
and
then,
with
with
that,
we
would
be
more
than
open
to
discussing
potential
pathway
connectivity
to
even
that
pathway,
that
is
to
directly
to
our
east
or
if
there
was
to
be
a
pathway
that
connects
to
oboe.
F
We
would
be,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
I'm
I'm
in
promotion
of
of
pedestrian
connectivity
so
wherever
that
wants
to
be
or
likes
to
be
we're
absolutely
in
support
of
that,
because
they
just
think
it's
good
practice,
and
so
with
that,
I
think
I
think
the
the
project
meets
meets
all
the
all
the
current
standards
and
and
requirements
of
being
in
the
the
the
r20
zone
and
stand
for
any
additional
questions.
C
C
So
I
know
this
would
be
out
of
your
control,
but
the
concerns
always
can
be
parking
in
overflow
parking.
So
what
kind
of
controls
or
or
barriers
can
there
be
to
keep
people
from
parking
on
that
northern
section
and
then
coming
into
your
development.
F
Well,
in
all,
in
all
honesty,
the
if,
if
the
fence
was
desired,
that
would
be
a
strong
way
to
do
that.
However,
there
is
a
pathway,
that's
just
beyond
for
those
those
two
units
that
pathway
is
probably
a
better
option.
Anyways
and
you
know,
and
just
going
back
to
the
idea
of
the
hoa.
You
know
we're
certainly
open
to
participating
in
that,
and
you
know,
sharing
those
burdens,
but
in
turn,
we'd
also
sort
of
expect
that
we
get
some
of
the
amenity
of
that
right.
F
F
I
would
also
envision
that,
once
the
access
onto
maple
grove
is
is
worked
into
the
site
plan
that
we're
probably
going
to
end
up
with
a
couple
of
more
spots
on
the
property.
I
can't
necessarily
guarantee
it,
but
when
I
remember
when
we
tried
to
work
through
that,
looking
at
that
as
an
option
prior
to
deciding
on
on
proposing
it
on
the
access
on
lake
hazel,
we
actually
had
a
couple
more
parking
spaces
on
the
property,
but
again
we're
already
over
parked
relative
to
what
the
code
requires
both
for
guests
and
for
the
units
themselves.
F
C
Just
one
fault
then
yeah
that
so
what
if
you
if
there
was
a
fence
on
the
northern
side
and
and
then
actually
the
eastern
end,
too,
with
a
gate
to
have
access
to
that
that
pathway?
That's
there
between
the
second,
the
first
and
second
house
there.
So
you
have
that
would
give
you
a
gate,
would
give
you
access
to
their
common
area
and
also
then
a
pathway
to
to
the
neighborhood
for
kids
to
go
into
to
meet
other
kids.
F
So
if
commissioner
wickstrom,
just
to
clarify
you're
you're,
suggesting
from
the
lake
hazel
south
east
corner
of
of
the
south
property
up
to
the
two
properties
that
are
along
our
eastern
boundary,
that
are
part
of
the
the
that
are
facing
onto
the
dulcimer
there
do
a
fence
there
with
a
gate.
Is
that
what
you're
suggesting
yes
yeah
and
then
would
you
also
go
as
far
as
at
that
gate,
providing,
let's
just
say,
an
east-west
connection,
to
the
existing
asphalt
path
that
goes
between
the
buildings?
F
I
I
think
again
that
would
just
go
down
come
back
to
how
that
negotiation
goes
with
the
hoa.
I
think,
if,
if
we're
meeting
their
their
requests
on
the
northeast
corner,
what
we're
assuming
is
their
their
reference
to
the
northeast
corner
and
and
the
discussion
of
the
the
dues
and
the
contributions
there.
F
I
think
it
would
just
really
be
up
to
them
allowing
us
to
provide
that
pathway
that
eastern
east-west
pathway
from
the
from
the
gate.
I
don't.
I
don't
see
any
objection
to
that,
because.
F
F
Yeah,
I
mean
the
right
now,
the
that's
correct.
We
don't
on
the
northern
on
the
northeast
portion.
We
don't,
however,
the
owner
the
current
owner
of
the
property.
We
would
have
to
make
that
a
part
of
the
the
deal
if
you
will
relative
to
purchasing
the
south
law,
so
the
the
the
other,
the
other
part
to
this
is
that
the
sidewalk
along
lake
hazel
also
connects
to
that
asphalt
path.
Currently
so
we'd
kind
of
be
doubling
up
there.
A
We
knew
that
there
was
a
lot
of
neighborhood
opposition
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
had
an
opportunity
in
the
last
couple
months
to
visit
with
some
of
the
neighbors
and
ask
them
what
they
would
want
and
kind
of
work
through
some
of
this.
These
ideas
with
them.
F
We
we
did
not
necessarily
we
only
recently
sort
of
came
up
with
this
revised
plan,
because
we've
been
working
to
try
to
get
with
achd
and
we
were
kind
of
running
up
against
the
the
time
clock
of
getting
back
onto
the
agenda,
and
so
what
we
did,
though,
was
sort
of
understand
what
was
being
discussed
at
our
initial
at
our
initial
hearing
and
really
tried
to
incorporate
those
things.
F
However,
I'm
I'm
also
not
opposed
to
continuing
to
work
with
them
or
starting
work
with
them
after
this
process
to
get,
if
there's
some
additional
things
or
misses
additional
amenities
that
they
feel
would
be
appropriate.
We'd
be
more
than
happy
to
do
so.
A
E
Okay,
ma'am
chair,
based
upon
the
findings
and
facts
of
the
commission
conclusions
of
law
contained
here
in
testimony
from
public
hearing
commissioner,
recommends
a
denial
of
project,
202,
102,
852,
z,
c,
dash
d,
a
m
s
p,
the
board
subject:
conditions
approved
well.
A
Commissioner
wickstrom
seconded
the
motion,
and
so
now
we
can
have
discussion.
Commissioner
brown
get
to
go
first,
see
if
you
make
the
motion
you
get
to
go
first.
E
And
I
get
it
and
I
apologize
because
I
this
is
absolutely
not
my
usually
my
stance
on
things
because
I'm
usually,
I
think
we
need
affordable
housing.
I
think
we
need
to
get
as
many
you
know
more
affordable
units
in
and-
and
I
know
that
doesn't
make
homeowners
happy
to
have
that
next
to
them,
so
I'm
usually
standing
on
the
other
side
of
this,
but
I
just
just
like
what
we
had
last
time.
E
I
don't
see
how
the
unfortunately
this
particular
piece
of
property-
I
don't
I
was
hoping,
maybe
when
it
came
back
through
that
we'd
be
able
to
show
me
something
I
couldn't
see
on
this
and
figure
it
out.
That
may
be
like.
Oh
okay,
that'll
that'll
work,
I
don't
we're
just
not
there.
I
love
the
fact
that
we
did.
We
took
it
off
of
oboe
and
we
moved
it
to
lake
or
to
either
or
you
know,
on
maple
grove.
E
Now
I
guess,
but
like
hazel
micropro,
that's
kind
of
how
I
figured
it
may
have
to
work,
but
even
looking
at
that,
just
knowing
the
area
and
being
I'm
in
the
business,
I
understand
how
this
stuff
works.
The
you
know
some
of
the
bigger
issues
I'm
thinking
ahead.
Is
you
come
out
right
in
right
out.
E
E
When
I
visit
my
daughters
I
park
on
the
street,
if
my
daughters
lived
in
that,
I
don't
know
where
I
would
be
parking,
so
that's
it.
It
comes
down
to
a
parking
thing.
I
love
seeing
infill
projects.
I
love
seeing
affordable
housing
for
people.
I
want
to
make
it
work.
I
really
do.
I
just
don't
think
it
works
on
this
piece
of
property.
I
can't
with
good
judgment
to
prove
that.
C
Well,
madam
chair,
I
I'd
probably
actually
like
to
see
if
we
could
table
this,
but
I
wanted
to
get
the
discussion
going
just.
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
just
more
discussions
with
the
hoa
and
and
trying
to
work
out
some
some
things
with
that
neighborhood
the
fencing,
the
access
controls
to
between
the
this
particular
lot
and
and
that
neighborhood,
I
think,
it'd
be
nice
to
also
see
a
final
plan
that
shows
that
access
and
how
the
buildings
are
going
to
be
laid
out
on
the
final
plans.
M
C
So
I'm
if
in
in
lieu
of
tabling,
I
would
support
denying
it,
but
I
thought
we'd
possibly
table
this
also
and
just
send
it
back
and
let
let
the
more
discussions
with
the
hoa
clarify
where
we
can
put
some
fencing,
see
what
the
the
applicant
can
do
for
that
to
control
access
to
the
neighborhood
and
something
that
will
be
a
benefit
to
the
to
the
neighborhood.
A
Thank
you.
What
other
comments
do
we
have
mr
birch.
N
N
So
if
achd
says
yeah
we're
fine
with
this,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
if
we
approve
it,
the
real
battle
is
going
to
be,
as
the
applicant
has
suggested.
The
development
of
that
north
parcel
is
when
the
time
comes,
and
somebody
comes
in
and
says.
Okay
now
we
want
to
put
up
apartment
units
on
that
north
parcel.
That's
where
the
fight
would
be
with
respect
to
blocking
off
access.
N
The
applicant
is
being
put
in
a
position
to
say
that
they
will
have
to
pay
or
the
hoa
is
wanting
them
to
pay
to
keep
people
from
going
from
oboe
down
onto
the
apartment
complex.
Whereas
there
is
a
homeowners
association
and
so
the
homeowners
associations
could
say
no,
we
will
block
the
access
rather
than
force
the
applicant
to
pay
to
block
the
access
he
said
it.
B
Yeah
I
mean
this
one's
definitely
a
tough
one
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
what
commissioner
brown
and
commissioner
bergevel
said
of
you
know
I
do.
I
do
agree
as
well,
there's
not
enough
parking,
but
on
the
flip
side
it
is
within
code,
even
though
in
practicality
we
all
know
that.
That's
never
going
to
be
enough
and
again
just
me
trying
to
envision
this.
B
You
know
I'm
much
more
of
a
fan
of
a
parking
garage
personally
if
you're
gonna
have
a
lock
that
way,
the
footprint's
smaller
but
yeah,
I'm
just
it's
definitely
a
hard
one,
and
I
I
personally
would
rather
deny
it
rather
than
table
it
simply
because
I
think
if
we
table
it,
I
don't
know
what
more
can
really
be
drawn
from
this,
because
the
other
big
concern
is
that
from
all
the
neighbors
has
been
the
design
of
it.
So
I
mean,
unless
you're
pretty
much
scrapping
everything
and
starting
from
scratch.
B
A
My
thoughts
are,
it's
currently
zoned
r8.
It
has.
M
A
O
A
So
personally,
I'm
leaning
toward
denying
it
and
the
other
part
that
makes
me
lean
toward
denying
it
is.
I
feel,
like
the
applicant
has
had
plenty
of
time
to
talk
to
the
neighbors
and
I
kind
of
anticipated
that
some
of
that
would
have
happened
before
we
got
here.
So
that's
my
hard
hard
response
today.
E
And
just
another
clarification
because
the
in
the
applicant
was
right
when
he
said
you
know
putting
in
that
gate
or
you
know
closing
off
oboe,
you
know
one,
not
his
property,
so
they'd
have
to
work
that
into
his
contract
with
the
purchase
and
everything,
but
that
that
doesn't
work,
because
what
you
can't
see
there
or
it's
hard
to
see
is
the
the
asphalt
walkway
that
he's
talking
about
is
literally
one
house
over
so
like
it's
a
matter
of
about
probably
about
40
feet
further
to
walk
than
just
going
through
the
gate.
E
So
you
close
this
and
they
oh,
they
have
to
walk
40
more
feet,
isn't
going
to
stop
anybody
from
that's,
you
know
or
make
them
crawl
the
fence
to
do
that,
they're
just
going
to
walk
down
the
already
existing
pathway.
So
that's
another
thing
is
like
it:
doesn't
the
gate
isn't
going
to
stop
anybody
from.
G
G
A
E
You
know
we
also
have
zoning
that
says
that
people
can
have
a
winery
in
certain
areas.
But
if
the
people
say
the
last
speaker
is
too
loud
and
makes
them
upset
on
their
patio,
because
there's
somebody
having
a
wedding
at
the
winery
and
we
deny
wineries
from
getting
made
because
of
somebody
having
a
bluetooth
but
the
people
that
own
the
house
can
have
a
bluetooth
right.
A
E
E
C
C
I
was
just
thinking
that,
as
far
as
complying
to
code
I
mean
the
the
parking.
Is
there
and
it's
it's
been
said
that.
G
C
This
is
completely
different,
but
I
I
I
can't
stand
I
I
hate
flat
top
roofs.
I
mean
they
denied
on
on
that
a
little
bit,
they've
done
things
to
try
to
to
mitigate
that
with
some
different
textures
and
colors,
but
and-
and
I
think,
having
the
placement
of
the
buildings
currently
as
far
away
as
that
is
possible
from
the
houses
is
good.
There
are,
there
are
some
things
that
are
noteworthy
on
this,
and
and
with
the
roundabout
going
in,
it
will
help
the
traffic
flows
in
and
out
of
the
project.
C
A
A
And
I
my
opinion
is:
all
of
us
have
different
tastes
when
it
comes
to
design,
but
the
builders
get
to
decide
what
they
want
and.
G
C
N
Also,
I'm
just
curious
if
we
deny
this,
then,
is
the
opinion
of
this
commission
that
there
is
no
way
to
salvage
the
project,
because
I
know
commissioner
wickstrom
suggested
well.
Maybe
we
should
table
it,
but
if
we
deny
it,
then,
as
you
correctly
point
out,
there's
likely
to
be
further
action
as
it
gets
appealed
to
the
board
of
county
commissioners,
and
so
that
that's
just
my
question
among
us
is:
do
we
think
that
there's
no
way
to
salvage
it.
P
P
C
C
E
Original
originally,
when
they
went
to
achd,
though
on
the
original
application
was
accessed
off
of
lake
hazel,
it
was
denied
they
moved
it
to
oboe.
Now
oboe
is
being
denied
now
they're
back
to
the
original.
So
I
mean
it's.
I
don't
know
that,
like
per
the
drawing
that's
the
word,
access
was
going
to
be
when
they
came
to
us
the
first
time
so.
N
E
Grove,
that's
not
or
well
now
it's
maple
grove,
but
right
the
the
drawing
that
was
submitted,
actually
that
we
had
in
the
I
mean
we've,
it's
been
changed
just
recently.
It
sounded
like
just
even
today,
or
something
was
changed
to
maple
grove
over
what
everybody's
achieved,
but
even
in
their
own
drawing
was
you
know,
that's
why
I
asked
if
we
were
going
to
move
the
houses
twist
them
down
so
that
they,
you
know,
turn
them,
but
the
original
application
was
to
come
off
of
it.
E
So
it's
not
like
it's
just
it's
the
same
application
that
came
through
the
first
time
then
went
to
oboe
then
came
back
it
that's
the
same
as
last
time.
So
I
just
that's
where
I'm
like,
because
trust
me.
I
wanted
something
to
come
and
just
pop
in
my
head
that
I
didn't
see.
That
would
be
like.
Oh
okay,
that
works
and,
and
I
get
it
there's
going
to
be
homeowners
upset.
Nobody
wants
to
have
any
development
around
them.
E
A
E
And
it's
going
to
be
yeah,
it's
going
to
be
very
hard
to
sell
that
little
piece
in
there.
It's
going
to
probably
be
the
most
beneficial
for
them
to
sell
that
to
the
applicant.
So
eventually,
that's
probably
going
to
be
absolved
into
that
and
connected
to
that
piece
of
property,
because
there's
as
someone
who's
done
this
and
you're
not
going
to
want
to
buy
that
little
sliver
in
there
yeah.
A
The
motion
on
the
table
right
now
is
to
deny
the
motion,
and
we
would
want
to
vote
on
that
one
and
either
we
it
would
either
pass
or
fail,
and
then
we
would,
if
it
failed,
then
we
would
look
to
another
motion.
A
So
I
don't
see
anybody
that
has
any
more
discussions,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
motion.
That's
been
proposed
to
deny
this
application
all
those
in
favor
of
denying
the
application.
Please
say:
aye.
G
B
A
N
A
There
were
two
people
that
voted
to
not
deny
the
application,
so
the
application
is
denied,
which
just
means
this
is
a
referral.
It
will
go
to
the
ada
county
commissioners
at
at
some
point
in
time.
With
the
with
the
deny
comments
from
this
group-
and
I
think,
there's
been
enough
comments
and
discussion
on
the
zoning
and
the
parking
issues
are.
The
are
the
reasons
that.
G
P
Madam
chair,
oh
I
apologize,
commissioner,
we
do
have
a
meeting
on
the
26th
okay.
P
B
A
A
P
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioners.
I'm
standing
in
for
dianna
sanders
tonight
so
bear
with
me.
The
item
before
you
is
a
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
for
a
pit
miner
quarry
to
be
used
for
mining,
crushing
screening,
processing
and
stockpiling
of
sand
and
gravel
products.
The
applicant
is
lure
construction.
P
P
P
All
reviewing
agencies
approved
the
project
with
standard
conditions,
a
slick
spot,
pepper
grass
survey
was
submitted
to
the
u.s
fish
and
game
in
response
to
their
comments,
and
I
believe
that
was
included
as
a
late
exhibit
for
your
materials.
For
this
project.
We
did
not
receive
any
comments
from
the
public.
P
Some
key
conditions
of
approval
related
to
the
use
are
the
limitations
of
hours
monday
through
saturday.
7
00
am
to
7
pm
the
it's
approved
for
20
years
and
must
be
reclaimed
after
this
period.
The
extraction
area
and
hall
road
shall
be
watered
daily
to
reduce
dust
impacts
surrounding
properties.
Hall
roads
shall
have
a
durable
and
dust
free
surface
and
shall
be
graded
to
drain
all
surface
water
away
from
the
road.
A
M
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
mike
greiner,
307,
matiola
street
caldwell,
idaho,
and
thank
you
for
your
first
go.
I
didn't
catch
your
name,
but
prince
helped
me
through
and
diana
as
well.
So
I
appreciate
their
help.
It's
not
nearly
as
exciting
project
as
the
previous
one.
In
fact,
it's
kind
of
boring
kind
of
digging
a
hole
temporarily,
crushing
rock
turning
it
into
all
the
good
things
that
get
us
going
to
and
from
where
we're
headed.
So
it
it
would
be
a
an
additional
location
for
us
on
the
eastern
side
of
valley.
M
Well,
that
that's
still
a
little
bit
yet
to
be
determined
in
that
the
reclamation
plan
gets
submitted
to
the
department
of
lands,
idaho
department
of
lands,
and
so
we'll
go
through
that
process.
You
know
that
there
are
several
options,
but
more
common
ones.
One
would
be
turns
into
a
lake
and
you
develop
around
the
lake.
Well,
this
one
doesn't
have
natural
ground
water.
M
So
that's
an
unlikely
ending
our
current
one
is
being
completely
filled,
backfilled
and
and
either
will
be
returned
to
farm
ground,
in
this
case
pasture
ground
in
the
one
in
caldwell
farm,
ground
or
some
other
type
of
development,
but
as
much
as
it's
a
temporary
or
a
conditional
use,
20
30
years
is
a
long
time.
It's
a
good
site.
We
we
hope
it
lasts
a
long
time,
although
if
it
doesn't,
there's
also
some
silver
lining
to
that.
I
suppose.
M
We
feel
we're
a
little
late
in
getting
to
this
point,
but
there
again
it's
it's
a
substantial
investment
and
a
big
dose
of
faith
when
you,
when
you
do
these
kind
of
projects.
M
So
to
answer
your
question,
I
I
won't
know
that
for
a
little
bit,
but
a
condition
of
approval
is
that
we
will
have
an
approved
reclamation
plan,
and
so
my
my
point
to
the
duration
of
the
project
is
a
lot
of
things.
May
change
and
those
options
to
weigh
to
what
ends
up
being
in
that
neighborhood
20
30
years
from
now
good
change
right
now
it
would
seem
pretty
easy
to
put
it
put
it
back
to
the
same
use
as
it
is
today.
A
A
C
P
Yeah,
chairman
commissioners,
I'm
unaware
of
a
project
out
there
now,
there's,
obviously
a
road
that
everyone
has
to
share,
so
increased
traffic
will
probably
be
something
that
is
an
outcome
of
that,
but
we
have
several
areas
of
the
county
where
gravel
pits
and
non-gravel
pits
have
figured
out
how
to
get
along
and
share
a
road.
I
feel
confident
we
can
probably
do
that
here
too
so,
but
yeah
beyond
that,
I
can't
anticipate
anything
else.
You
know,
obviously
we
place
conditions
on
the
project
to
ensure
as
little
disturbance
to
surrounding
properties
as
possible,
so
yeah.
A
G
A
The
commissioners,
I
think
we're
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
I
don't
think,
there's
anybody
else
that
wants
to
talk
and
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
I'll
entertain
a
motion.
So
is
there
a
motion
monitor.
B
A
B
I
A
Cumsp,
I
think
I
might
have
given
the
wrong
number
before,
but
this
is
miss
breeding
is
going
to
give
us
this
project
tell
us
how
miss
branding
brending,
I'm
sorry,
okay,
thank
you.
My
name
is
brenda.
I
should
get
that
one
right.
E
G
Q
Q
Q
Q
The
applicant
is
requesting
an
alternative
landscaping
plan
for
the
property
because
it
does
not
have
irrigation
rights.
The
surrounding
land
uses
and
rural
nature
of
the
area
support
this
alternative
plan,
which
includes
a
six
foot
tall
berm
to
be
landscaped
with
native
vegetation
around
the
proposed
yard
and
storage
areas.
Q
As
a
condition
of
approval,
a
revised
parking
plan
will
be
required.
The
master
site
plan
depicts
14
parking
spaces,
of
which
one
is
ada
accessible,
based
on
the
size
of
the
proposed
structure
and
the
20
proposed
employees.
27
parking
spaces
will
be
required.
The
applicant
will
be
required
to
comply
with
all
of
achd
conditions
of
approval.
Q
All
outdoor
storage
areas
will
be
required
to
comply
with
85378
of
the
ada
county
code,
which
requires
screening
year
round.
The
hours
of
operations
shall
be
limited
between
the
hours
of
6
am
and
10
pm
and
staff
is
recommending.
Approval
of
the
conditional
use
and
master
site
plan
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
A
Q
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
corey
edwards.
I
live
at
148,
east
mosky,
street
meridian,
idaho,
so
the
the
garden
shop
that
we're
proposing
to
put
out
there
is
for
our
construction
company.
O
O
We
were
building
with
combustible,
not
non-combustible
material,
and
so
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
the
architect
and
state
fire
marshal
to
come
up
with
a
non-combustible,
cmu
block
building
and
then
the
original
site,
where
the
original
plan
was
with
shop,
was
we
had
to
keep
it
down
to
under
5000
square
feet
for
the
shop
area
itself,
and
then
we
didn't
have
actually
have
an
office
on
the
original
part.
We
were
going
to
use
a
smaller
setup.
That's
why
the
parking
stalls
we
haven't
revised
any
of
the
plans
for
the
parking
stall.
O
A
A
C
A
Thank
you
any
more
questions,
so
the
applicant
is
welcome
to
come
and
make
any
more
comments
or
answer
any
questions,
or
you
can
just
shake
your
head
and
say:
I've
had
enough.
So,
okay
I'll
look
to
the
commissioners
for
a
motion
and
close
the
public
hearing.
So
is
there
a
motion
from
the
commissioners
to
have
a
conversation.
A
E
A
Seconded
by
commissioner
brown,
what
discussion
do
we
have?
Does
anybody
have
any
comments.
B
A
Thank
you
any
other
comments.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
this
project,
please
say
aye,
aye
I'll,
say
aye
any
opposed
all
those
opposed,
please
say:
aye,
let
them
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
all
the
commissioners
voted
for
this
project
and
it's
approved.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Our
next
project
is
two
zero.
Two,
two:
zero
zero
zero
four
two
z
c
d,
a
m
s
p
and
go
ahead
and
start.
Q
Q
The
proposed
contractor's
yard
will
include
an
8
800
square
foot
shop
with
office
and
gravel
yard.
The
applicant
has
proposed
to
utilize
an
existing
shop
on
the
property
that
was
built
as
an
agricultural
structure.
The
structure
will
need
to
receive
a
building
permit
and
change
of
occupancy
prior
to
use
for
the
contractor's
yard.
Q
Q
The
applicant
has
requested
an
alternative
landscaping
plan
waving
the
perimeter
landscaping
to
the
north
east
and
south
of
the
proposed
yard,
keeping
all
the
frontage
and
parking
area
landscaping
requirements.
The
request
is
based
on
the
future
and
current
land
uses
surrounding
the
proposed
contractor's
yard.
The
property
to
the
north
has
an
operating
contractor's
yard,
abutting
the
proposed
site
and
the
future
land
use
is
also
industrial
to
the
east
is
the
phyllis
canal
and
agricultural
land.
Q
One
neighbor
did
comment
with
concerns
on
the
application
stating
concerns
that
the
app
the
application
is
incompatible
with
existing
agricultural
uses
along
canada.
Road
that
the
proposed
use
is
inconsistent
with
the
existing
infrastructure
that
and
that
it's
not
designed
for
light
industrial
expansion
at
this
time
and
that
the
applicant
began
improvements
prior
to
approval.
Q
A
R
Good
evening
william
mason
mason
and
associates
924
third
street
in
nampa.
Before
I
start,
I
would
like
to
apologize
for
the
fact
that
there
has
been
apparently
some
work
done
out
there.
I'm
the
engineer,
I
wasn't
even
aware
of
that.
We
submitted
this
master
site
plan
in
february,
so
apparently
our
client
is
a
little
anxious
to
to
move
forward.
R
I
think
everything
that
we
have
read
on
the
conditions
are
fine
with
us.
Our
client
did
ask
that
we
consider
on
the
back
side
of
that
frontage
landscaping
chain
linked
fence
instead
of
the
solid
vinyl,
because
he
believes
that's
a
more
secure
fence.
R
I
would
ask
on
the
very
east
side:
if
vinyl
fence
is
required,
that
we
be
allowed
to
work
with
the
irrigation
district
on
that
fencing
along
their
canal,
because
I
believe
they
do
prefer
chain-link
fence
along
their
canal,
and
I
guess
the
only
other
thing
is
achd
has
astro
sidewalk
it's
290
feet,
we've
asked
for
a
waiver,
but
we
haven't
heard
back
from
achd
on
that.
So
we
would
work
with
achd
to
find
get
final
conditions
on
their
their
improvements,
and
I
think
with
that
I'll
stand
for
questions.
A
R
The
the
request
would
be
to
approve
a
chain
link
fence
with
side,
obscuring.
R
A
C
C
P
You,
chairman,
commissioners,
I
I
would
say
you
could
craft
a
condition
for
the
east
side,
that
you
know
some
fencing
type
acceptable
to
the
irrigation
district.
Excluding
chain
link-
and
you
know
that
hopefully
opens
up
some
more
opportunities
for
the
applicant.
Vinyl
might
ultimately
be
the
cheapest
best
option.
But
I
guess
minus
chain
link
with
the
irrigation
company.
We
could
explore
the
things.
N
G
C
A
Second,
so
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
to
approve
this
project
with
the
addition
that
the
additional
condition
being
added
that
the
applicant
worked
with
the
irrigation
district
to
to
determine
appropriate
fencing
with
the
notation
that
it,
it
can't
be
chain
link
vincent
correct
per
the
code.
A
So
what
and
it's
been
seconded
it
was
seconded
by
commissioner
wickstrom.
I
think
so
go
ahead.
Mr
excellent,
you
can
talk
about
this.
B
B
I
do
think
there
is
wiggle
room
there,
so
I'm
okay,
adding
that
condition
in
there
that
doesn't
have
to
be
vinyl
per
se
as
long
as
it
still
is
within
ada
county
code.
C
E
Think
it's
it
works
for
the
area.
I
think
that's
what
we're
you
know
we're
slowly
pushing
all
these
contractor
yards
further
and
further
out,
and
this
is
pretty
far
out,
I'm
sure
in
10
years
this
will
be
downtown,
but
for
right
now
it
seems
to
be
a
pretty
rural
industrial
area.
So
I
think
it
looks
good
everything's
good.
A
Okay,
you
need
more
comments
if
not
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
for
the
vote,
all
those
in
favor
of
this
project,
please
say:
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed,
please
say
aye
and
let
the
motion
and
the
minutes
reflect
that
all
the
commissioners
voted
for
this
project
and
it
was
approved.
So
thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
it.
D
Madam
chair
commissioners,
project
number
2021
20.
Excuse
me:
2022-00589
cu-msp
is
a
conditional
use,
master
site
plan,
application
for
self-service
storage
facility
of
approximately
ninety
thousand
square
gross
square
feet
with
717
units.
The
property
is
located
at
6291
south
on
miraway
and
contains
approximately
4.73
acres
in
the
limited
office
district.
D
D
The
buildings
will
be
connected
with
fencing
in
order
to
create
a
secured
perimeter.
A
20-foot
landscape
buffer
surrounds
the
site
with
a
variety
of
landscape
materials,
including
ground
cover,
shrubs
deciduous
and
coniferous
trees.
The
hours
of
operation
will
be
limited
to
monday
through
saturday
from
9
30
a.m,
to
6
p.m.
D
For
the
office
with
access
to
the
individual
storage
units
available
from
7
a.m,
to
10
p.m,
the
facility
secured
and
will
require
the
use
of
a
keypad
to
enter
the
applicable
comprehensive
plan
is
the
boise
comprehensive
plan,
as
adopted
by
a
county.
The
future
land
use
map
is
the
in
the
conference
of
plan
designates
the
site
as
mixed
use,
which
is
intended
to
include
a
variety
of
residential
office
and
commercial
uses.
D
Staff.
Fines,
as
the
proposed
self-service
storage
facility,
would
provide
a
commercial
use
that
would
support
the
surrounding
residential
neighborhoods
that
is
compatible
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
Since
some
of
the
structures
within
the
facility
have
a
footprint
that
is
greater
than
10
000
square
feet,
the
applicant
will
need
to
submit
building
elevation
drawings
for
each
structure.
That's
over
10
000
square
feet
depicting
that
the
building
mass
and
bulk
are
distributed
per
section
8-48-26
of
the
a-county
code.
D
They
find
that
the
proposals,
incongruous
with
immediately
surrounding
residential,
religious
and
educational
land
uses
there
is
a
preference
for
additional
retail
shops,
restaurants,
professional
services
and
other
small
businesses
to
be
located
on
the
site
rather
than
this
proposed
self-service
storage
facility,
and
there
is
mention
by
property
owners
of
existing
self-service
storage
facilities.
Nearby
a
number
of
agencies
have
provide
comment
on
this
application.
D
The
boise
fire
department,
on
behalf
of
the
whitney
fire
district,
provide
a
number
of
comments
regarding
fire
access
and
protection
such
as
fire
hydrants
will
need
to
be
located
so
that
no
part
of
the
structure
is
more
than
400
feet
away
from
the
hydrant
fire
apparatus.
Access
road
shall
extend
within
100
feet
of
all
portions
of
the
exterior
walls
of
the
first
story
of
the
building,
measured
by
an
approved
route
around
the
exterior
of
the
building
or
facility.
D
The
a
company
highway
district,
a
reply
that
the
development
is
estimated
to
generate
130
vehicle
trips
per
day
with
14
vehicle
trips
per
hour.
In
the
pm
peak
hour,
based
on
the
institute
of
transportation
engineers,
chip
generation
manual,
11th
edition
the
pm
peak
hour,
traffic
count,
lake
hazel
road
is
494
which
does
not
exceed
the
acceptable
level
of
service
of
690
for
two-lane
principal
arterial
ach
mentioned
that
they
do
have
plans
in
the
future
to
construct
a
multi-lane
roundabout
at
the
intersection
of
lake
hazel,
road
and
valley
heights
drive
in
response
to
the
future
roundabout.
D
D
In
their
letter,
the
city
indicate
that
they
would
like
to
see
other
uses
located
on
the
subject
property.
Besides
the
self-service
storage
facility,
they
find
that
the
proposed
self-service
storage
facilities
incompatible
with
what
they
envisioned
for
mixed-use
development
and
they
are
recommending
denial
of
the
project,
and
I
did
pass
out.
This
lay
exhibit
to
you
prior
to
the
hearing,
and
so
this
will
be
exhibit
number
44
for
the
record.
A
B
I
was
just
wanted
for
clarity,
since
this
is
a
conditional
use
once
or
if
this
property
gets
annexed
by
the
city
of
boise.
Would
that
conditional
use
permit
become
void?
Is
that
correct?
I.
D
Know
it
went
because
this
is
this,
as
a
conditional
use
like
some
of
our
conditional
uses
are,
are
limited
for
a
certain
time
period
like
the
contractor's
yards.
This
conditional
type
of
conditional
use
goes
with
the
land.
You
know
for
as
long
as
they
have
a
self-service
storage
whistle
on
there,
then
that
self-service
storage
was
slow
would
be
allowed.
A
My
question
is
this:
is
obviously
a
late
exhibit?
Did
you
have
time
to
discuss
this
late
exhibit
and
this
new
information
with
the
applicant
prior
to
today's
hearing,
and
and
was
it
fully
included
in
your
recommendation?.
D
So
man-
I'm
sure
I
did
send
this
letter
to-
I
think
I
received
it
on
friday
afternoon
and
I
did
send
it
to
the
applet
king
kill
my
horn
that
afternoon
we,
I
think
briefly.
I
briefly
talked
with
nicolette
a
little
bit
about
it.
We
didn't
really
go
too
much
in
depth
and
obviously
I've
talked
a
little
bit
with
leon
about
it
as
well.
A
So
I
mike
my
question-
maybe
I
didn't
I
didn't,
do
a
good
job
of
asking
that
do
you
feel,
like
you
had
enough
time
to
address
the
issue
that
was
presented
by
the
city
of
boise
because
it
was
a
late
exhibit.
So
is
it
early
enough
that
you
had
enough
time
to
to
deal
with
it
or
is
it
something
that
you're
like
gosh?
We
need
more
time
to
deal
with.
D
I
would
say
it
was
early
enough
that
leah
and
I
leon-
and
I
had
enough
time
to
deal
with
it.
S
Here
we
have
the
applicant
team,
which
is
myself
president
of
development,
joe
capasso
from
westport
properties,
nicolette
from
kimberly
horn,
john
breckett,
from
brecken
land
design
and
ev
studio.
Our
architect
dan
is
here.
S
A
little
bit
about
us,
westport
is
headquartered
in
irvine
california,
founded
in
1985
by
barry,
hoeven
barry
hoeven
has
since
passed,
and
his
son
drew
hoeven
is
now
running
the
company.
As
the
chief
investment
officer,
we
are
privately
held
verbally
vertically
integrated
real
estate
company
providing
development
investment
in
real
estate
services
slide.
S
S
We
are
owners,
operators
and
developers
of
self
storage
facilities
slide
shown
here
is
a
westport
property
company
structure.
We
have
over
500
employees
currently
between
operations,
marketing
finance
and
acquisitions
and
development.
Majority
of
our
employees
are
operations
throughout
the
united
states.
S
Here's
our
market
study,
we
see
that
there
is
approximately
50
000
people
in
a
three
mile
radius
of
this
subject:
site
our
square
foot
per
capita
for
self
storage
development
is
approximately
nine
across
the
united
states
with
the
supply
that
has
come
over
the
united
states
in
the
past
few
years.
With
that
being
said,
that
means
that
this
market
would
be
in
demand
for
about
178
000
square
feet
of
self
storage.
S
T
Nicolette
womack
with
kimberlyhorn1100
west,
idaho
street
suite
210
and
boise,
so
the
site
is
looking
at
6291
south
almira
way.
It's
4.73
acres
in
size
next
slide.
T
T
So
we
had
one-on-one
conversations
with
several
individuals
in
march
and
then
we
submitted
at
the
end
of
the
month-
and
we
are
here
today
for
our
hearing
next
time
so
as
was
covered,
we're
proposing
a
self
storage
facility,
717
individual
units,
two
employees-
that
averages
about
20
patrons
per
day
and
we
already
covered
the
hours
so
next
slide.
T
Shown
here
is
the
landscape
plan.
What's
really
great
about
this
project,
is
we
have
a
20-foot
landscape
buffer
around
all
corners
of
the
site,
we're
also
a
continuing
detached
sidewalk
along
all
edges
of
the
site.
The
landscape
buffer
includes
where
the
brakes
in
the
units
begin
fencing
begins.
So
it's
a
secured
property
and
requires
the
keypad
to
enter
it'll,
be
probably
the
most
secure
thing
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
landscaping
buffer
includes
deciduous
and
kind
of
first
trees.
T
So
the
property
is
zoned.
Lo,
as
was
already
covered
next
slide.
We
originally
our
our
applicant.
Our
client
was
looking
at
doing
a
residential
product
on
the
site
and
then
based
on
the
policy
for
not
extending
sewer
in
the
area.
T
They
had
to
look
at
a
commercial
use,
so
there's
only
one
stub
to
the
site,
so
that
would
only
allow
one
stub
to
remain
in
use.
So,
as
we
looked
at
these
other
commercial
uses,
we
only
get
one
stub.
So
if
you
add
you
know
more
retail
uses,
they
might
have
more
than
one
bathroom
in
a
different
building
and
that's
going
to
require
another
stub.
So
storage
seemed
to
make
the
most
sense
for
this
site
next
thing.
T
The
future
land
use
map
does
show
it
as
mixed
use.
Next
slide
and
shown
here
is
a
vicinity
map
of
the
area.
So
we
heard
what
the
city
of
boise
said
about
the
services
in
the
area
and
we
decided
it'd
be
good
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
what
is
in
the
area
so
to
the
east
of
us
is
albertson's
and
also
lake,
hazel
library,
there's
also
reed's
dairy
ice
cream
parlor
in
the
area
and
a
coffee
shop.
T
So,
in
general,
most
of
the
mixed-use
line
around
like
hazel,
the
middle
has
developed
with
residential,
so
we're
actually
separated
from
the
activity
that's
happening
at
the
intersection.
Next
sign.
T
We
received
the
comments
from
the
staff
report.
We
agreed
all
the
conditions
of
approval.
T
One
that
was
mentioned
was
the
30-foot
setback
from
lake
hazel,
and
we
are
happy
to
accommodate
that
everything
else
has
pretty
much
been
covered,
so
I
won't
belabor
it
next
slide
and
again
we
just
request
approval
or
conditional
use,
permit
master
site
plan
and
we
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
I
was
wondering
if
you
were
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
and
if
you
could,
you
know,
talk
about
you
know
what
concerns
were
brought
up
and
how
they
were
incorporated
into
your
application.
For
this.
T
Yeah,
so
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
we
actually
have
some
backup
stuff.
So
it
was
important
that
we
talked
to
the
neighbors
about
the
physical
distance.
We're
talking
about
here
so
from
the
actual
building
wall
face
to
the
closest
property
owner
is
38
feet
to
the
west
of
us.
It's
a
dog
park,
and
so
we
talked
about
you
know
what
kinds
of
uses
really
would
you
want
to
be
close
to
that
dog
park
and
then
in
general
we're
much
farther
from
everything
else.
So
we
talked
a
lot
about
buffering.
T
N
T
A
T
T
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
that,
so
it's
been
held
by
the
church
of
jesus
christ
lottery
saints
for
a
long
period
of
time.
They
did.
They
do
their
own
market
analysis
when
they
expand
and
our
our
representative
from
the
owner
can
talk
about
that
more.
But
there
we
already
have
a
church
about
two
blocks
north
of
here,
and
they
didn't
see
the
need
at
this
time
to
have
a
second
one
in
the
area.
So.
A
T
T
S
T
Normally,
people
host
a
neighborhood
meeting
and
they
have
a
presentation
and
they
just
stand
for
questions
and
they
just
take
them
one
by
one
and
we
just
take
them
individually
and
we
all
gather
and
look
at
the
plans
together.
A
Different
way
to
handle
the
meeting
okay,
thank
you.
I
was
trying
to
understand
what
that
meant.
Any
other
questions.
I
think
we're
good,
I
think
we'll
go.
We've
got
some
other
people
to
talk
and
then
we'll
call
you
back.
Thank
you.
I've
got
identified
that
we've
got
a
couple
at
least
one
person
online.
Is
that
true.
I
Yes,
we
must
have
joseph
okay.
A
Do
you
want
us
to
go
to
the
in
person
we'll
do
the
in-person
people
and
then
we'll
do
the
online
people
so
in
person
I've
got
john
mackley
mackie
mackey
sorry
got
everybody's
name
wrong
tonight.
U
I
have
contracted
the
property
from
the
lds
church
and
I
met
with
the
city
with
the
sewer
department
and
stuff,
and
they
just
I
I
build
residential
town
homes
and
subdivisions
and
single
family
not
attached,
actually
done
quite
a
bit
of
commercial
too.
I'm
just
not
doing
that
much
right
now,
but
originally
those
were
the
thoughts
is
to
do
something
more
along
the
residential
line.
But
the
city
said:
no,
you
can't
have
the
hook
up,
so
it
kind
of
kind
of
go.
U
So
I
just
want
to
give
you
that
some
that
that
was
a
big
deal
on
what
direction
did
we
go
only
having
one
sewer
hookup,
I
think
most
people
there
actually
appreciated
and
liked
it.
There
was
at
least
one
person
that
was
against
it,
but
she
said
that
she
was
gonna
fight.
Whatever
went
there
too.
So
I
think
that's
most
of
the
feedback.
The
the
other
issue
was
the
they.
U
They
did
prefer
access
off
of
out
off
of
valmyra,
but
the
valley
road,
but
but
achd
is
gonna,
put
a
roundabout
in
there
and
only
be
a
right
in
right
out.
Only
no
left
turn
in
no
left
turnout,
so
that
kind
of
forces
that
to
to
go
to
elmira
as
far
as
commercial
I've
done
a
bunch
of
commercial
too.
It's
just.
U
Usually
you
don't
put
that
mid
block
you
like
to
be
closer
to
the
intersection
there's
residential
on
between
us
and
where
the
they're
building
townhomes
in
there
right
now
between
us
and
the
and,
like
I
said,
be
five
mile:
there
are
several
town
homes
in
the
area
that
are
within
a
few
blocks
that
are
they've
even
approved
some
without
garages.
So
there
is
a
definite
need
for
this.
We've
done
the
marketing
study
I'll
be
a
partner
with
westport
properties
on
this
project.
U
It
wasn't
an
issue
of
capacity,
it
was
an
issue
of
connections.
Okay,
but
I
mean
like
some
of
the
residents.
Oh
wouldn't
it
be
nice
to
have
restaurants
and
some
of
this
other
stuff,
and
that's
you
just
don't.
Do
us
five
acres,
one
building
type
of
thing,
so
I
mean
you
could
probably
get
away
with
apartments
because
you'd
have
one
sewer
hookup,
but
you
couldn't
do
town
homes,
you
couldn't
do
condos.
U
Well,
maybe
you
could
do
condos,
but
that
really
does
limit
you.
You
could
do
a
big
box
store,
but
it
just
isn't
a
location
for
that.
So
it
really.
It
really
does
limit
it
quite
a
bit,
and
I
think
that's
a
that's.
That
sewer
thing
is
an
issue
with
hey
it's
it's
the
city's,
providing
the
sewer,
but
it's
not.
We
can't
tax
it
or
whatever
so
they're
being
a
little
bit
tough
there.
I
think
I
mean
that's
the
opinion
I've
got
from
it.
Is
they
just
want
one
hookup?
A
V
Madam
chair
commissioners,
my
name
is
cynthia
karinic,
I'm
at
10671
west
multiwood
court,
I'm
there
in
hazelwood
village,
I'm
coming
to
say
I
support
this
project.
I
support
the
storage
facility
being
there
on
it's,
probably
a
little
unpopular
with
some
of
the
neighbors
I've
talked
with,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
to
come
tonight.
I
missed
the
cutoff
period
number
one,
but
I'm
gonna
come
here
and
speak
in
favor
of
it,
for
what
I
believe
is
good
reasons,
I'm
in
real
estate
as
well.
V
V
When
I
moved
to
the
neighborhood,
we
were
told
that
it
was
the
property
was
owned
by
or
is
owned
by
the
lds
church.
So
there
was
always
an
idea
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
quiet
neighbor
in
selling
real
estate.
When
you
are
butted
up
against
a
storage
facility,
that's
a
quiet,
neighborhood!
That's
a
quiet
facility.
People
are
in
and
out
they're
just
conducting
the
business
that
they
need.
It's
not
ran
all
night
long,
so
there
is
a
nice
cutoff
period.
V
V
I
love
the
idea
that
there's
going
to
be
a
sidewalk
finally
out
front
there.
It
is
there
is
no
sidewalk
there
and
there
are
kids
that
leave
the
neighborhood
and
go
to
the
school,
just
two
blocks
down
and
it's
dirt.
So
that's
going
to
be
really
lovely
love.
The
idea
of
the
big
landscaping
berm.
I
think
what
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
is
going
to
fit
beautifully
with
our
neighborhood.
Our
neighborhood
is
very
dense
in
landscaping,
so
I
think
that'll
be
very
nice
as
well.
In
short,
storage
facilities
are
quiet.
W
Your
name
and
address
yes,
doug
kowalis
3019,
north
innis
street.
I
represent
the
lds
church
in
this
transaction
as
a
real
estate
broker,
and
have
done
so
for
nearly
30
years
in
different
acquisitions
and
dispositions.
W
W
As
is
the
case
in
any
disposition,
they
require
that
the
property
be
on
the
market
for
at
least
30.
In
this
case,
I
think
it
was
closer
to
60
days
allowing
it
to
be
exposed
to
anybody
who
would
have
an
interest
in
developing
at
that
location.
We
ended
up
receiving
about
six.
It
was
six
offers,
at
least
two
were
for
a
self
storage,
and
the
rest
were
for.
A
Thank
you.
That's
that's
interesting
information,
so
we
appreciate
it
any
other
comments.
Questions
thank
you
for
coming
down
tonight
and
providing
comments.
Okay.
Is
there
anybody
else,
who'd
like
to
make
a
comment?
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
ask
the
commissioners
if
they
have
any
questions
for
mr
danielson.
C
D
You
know
it
seems
like
in
their
your
staff
report.
I
mean
they
didn't
really
it's
like
this,
the
site
itself,
you
know,
if
they
do
have,
you
know,
plans
to
widen
the
road
it
didn't
seem
like
the
facility
would
affect
those
plants
dwight
on
the
road.
So.
C
Usually
they've
got
they'll
have
their
easement
that
they
they've
already
got
laid
out
there
so
that
that
won't
affect
their
plan
their
their
layout.
It
won't.
D
C
D
A
Any
other
questions
my
question
is:
in
my
history:
we've
had
several
of
these
kinds
of
letters
where
we've
had
the
city
of
boise
say
you
know,
we
don't
agree
with
it
and
then
the
commissioners
have
you
know
this
commission
has
done
something
different.
A
D
You
know
it's
your
job
to
to
listen
to
both
sides
and
make
an
informed
decision,
and
so
I
look
at
it
from
this
perspective.
Is
you
know
it's
important
for
you
to
listen
to
the
agencies
and
to
take
the
information
that
they
present
to
you
and
and
make
a
wise
informed
decision?
You
know,
based
on
the
facts
in
the
project.
A
T
Thank
you
so,
as
was
already
mentioned,
the
good
thing
about
storage
is
how
quiet
it
is
compared
to
other
uses.
So
the
other
services
type
uses
that
could
have
been
considered
would
have
been
a
lot
higher
traffic
and
a
lot
higher
noise
to
the
adjacent
neighborhood.
So
the
other
good
thing
about
storage
is
that
we
are
very
particular
with
our
lighting,
so
everything
is
shielded
into
the
site,
so
it
doesn't
spill
over
to
the
neighbors.
T
So
people
go
to
their
storage,
maybe
once
a
month
they
don't
see
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
high
traffic
so
by
adding
that
elmira
access
we're
actually
helping
the
neighborhood
if
there
was
a
diagram
later
in
my
slide,
if
we
wanted
to
share
it,
but
if
they
do
build
that
roundabout,
that
would
force
people
to
come
down
valley
heights
road,
make
a
u-turn
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
neighborhood
and
go
back
into
our
site.
So
again,
second
to
last
slide
keep
going
all
the
way
down.
T
C
T
Keep
going
yeah
that
one,
so
it's
hard
to
see
his
little
faint
on
this,
but
that
roundabout
actually
has
a
divider
that
goes
down
that
road.
T
So
it
would
force
us
force
our
tenant,
our
people,
using
the
storage
to
u-turn
and
come
back
also,
the
roundabout
on
malmyra
already
has
stubs
and
spokes
divided
in
the
way
that
it
makes
sense
for
entrance
and
an
exit.
So
the
only
other
thing
we
wanted
to
mention
was
that
originally
we
did
consider
rv
storage,
but
through
the
feedback
process,
with
the
neighbors
and
understanding
every
impact
to
the
site.
That
has
a
lot
more
impact,
a
lot
higher
profile
building,
so
that
was
removed.
So
this
is
all
just
in
closed
storage.
A
E
Upon
the
findings,
in
fact,
the
conclusions
law
contained
here
in
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing
the
commission
approves.
I
moved
pro
motion
approved
project
two
zero,
two:
two:
zero:
zero:
five,
eight
nine
c:
u
m
s
p,
subject
to
the
conditions:
approval
attached
to
exhibit
a
approval,
master
site
plan.
B
E
Yeah,
I
think
it's
great
obviously
familiar
with
the
area.
E
E
So
I
guess
they
don't
want
you
to
have
stuff,
but
so
this
gives
an
opportunity
for
people
to
keep
keep
their
neighborhoods
cleaner.
It
keeps
everything
you
know
off
of
the
off
the
road,
possibly
or
different
things
and
clutter.
So
it's
a
good
use
for
the
the
property
right.
There
understanding
also
the
issues
with
the
one
hookup
I
mean
that's
a
limitation
that
is
a
tough
one
to
get
past,
so
you
do
have
to
kind
of
reverse
engineer
what
you're
going
to
do
on
that
property
and
seems
pretty
smart.
E
My
other
thought
is
interesting.
She
mentioned
the
rv
parking
because
that's
something
I
feel
like
most
people
have
a
lot
of
people
have
rvs
and
know
where
to
park
them
and
they
will
ticket
you
for
parking
them
somewhere.
So
we
need
more
of
that,
but
even
that
was,
I
thought
very
considerate
of
them
to
not
do
that
there
in
that
neighborhood,
because
it
probably
would
cause
a
lot
more
problems.
So
no,
I
think
this
is
extremely
good
use
of
the
prod
of
the
the
property
and
and
that's
why
I
moved
to
approve
it.
B
Yeah,
I'm
sure
I
agree
with
everything
commissioner
brown
said.
One
thing
I
personally
do
really
appreciate
is
all
the
effort
in
the
application
and
on
the
site
plan
to
make
it
not
only
cohesive
in
terms
of
the
density
of
the
landscaping
with
the
surrounding
areas,
but
also
to
make
sure
you
know
you
do
have
very
adequate
shielding.
B
A
Yeah
for
me,
getting
a
little
bit
of
the
history
of
the
property
was
important,
because
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
tell
all
the
homeowners.
This
is
going
to
be
little
buildings
and
then
it
wasn't,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
it
was
tied
to
the
subdivision.
It
seems
like
it
was
separate,
so
I
feel
good
about
this
outcome
and
I
live
on.
A
A
A
E
N
N
A
Opposed
please
say:
aye,
let
the
minutes
reflected
the
motion.
Let
the
minutes
reflect
that
the
amendments
were
approved.
Thank
you
and
now
leon's
going
to
give
us
some
insight
from
the
county
commissioners
meeting.
P
Yes,
thank
you,
commissioners.
So
last
night
we
had
a
variance
to
the
boise
river
greenway
overlay
district
that
had
been
tabled
from
an
earlier
meeting.
It
was
ultimately
approved.
G
P
P
The
other
was
a
two
lot
subdivision
by
briggs
engineering
off
of
rustler
lane,
and
I
believe
that
is
in
kind
of
the
meridian
southwest
boise
area.
P
Then
we
had
our
cell
tower
appeals.
The
first
was
for
the
private
tower
for
suez
that
you
heard
and
recommended
approval
for
the
appeal
on
that
was
denied,
so
your
decision
was
upheld
and
then
the
second
one
was
a
commercial
tower
out
on
floating
feather
the
appeal
for
that
was
ultimately
approved,
so
your
decision
was
overturned
and
they
denied
the
cell
tower
at
that
location.
P
So
now
that
the
board
is
denied
next
steps
would
involve
if
the
applicant
so
chooses
to
request
reconsideration
and
maybe
have
ward's
decision
evaluated
outside
of
our
our
jurisdiction
at
the
district
court
level.
But
who
knows
where
that's
going
to
go,
but
that
that
was
it?
That
was
the
bulk
of
the
night
in
terms
of
time,
spent
those
two
towers
and
getting
a
lot
of
information
about
how
those
put
together
a
lot
of
discussion
of
the
differences
between
private
and
commercial
towers.
P
So
yeah
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
If
you
have
was.
P
A
So
what
is
the
reason
for
the
denial
of
the
cell
phone
tower?
I
mean.
P
Yeah
we're
still
working
on
those
findings.
They've
asked
us
to
table
and
bring
them
back
in
general.
I
can
share.
It
was
incompatibility
with
the
surrounding
uses
or
future
uses,
and
then
some
question
as
to
the
application
and
the
due
diligence
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
to
confirm
there
were
no
available
tower
sites
within
two
miles,
which
is
what
our
ordinance
requires.
P
So
those
are
the
two
major
points
that
they
brought
up
and
so
yeah.
We
are
revising
findings
and
the
board
decision
would
be
at
the
end
of
may,
ultimately
so,
but
they
have
basically
denied
with
the
request
to
revise
findings
to
reflect
that
denial
of
the
project.
P
Yes,
yeah,
I
think
we
have
at
least
four.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you
for
those
who
could
make
it.
P
So
that
was
the
only
item,
although
you
guys
did
table
for
revised
findings
tonight,
so
you'll
have
the
revised
findings
that
you
have
to
adopt.
That
doesn't
usually
take
very
long
but
yeah,
so
that'll
be
the
only
other
item
on
the
may
26th.
Here
we
have
four
folks,
and
you
know
I
I
mean
it's
obviously
you're
there
for
the
first
go
around.
I
would
expect
an
hour
and
a
half
ish
on
this
one.
P
P
Yes,
yeah
so
staff.
You
know
we
write
those
findings,
documents
and
so
oftentimes.
We
want
to
table
to
reflect
whatever
you,
whatever
the
conversation
was
in
the
findings
to
make
sure
that
we're
accurately
depicting
whatever
you
say
as
to
why
it
should
be
denied
so
brent
will
work
on
that
for
the
apartment
project
granted,
it
is
just
a
recommendation,
so
the
board
could
step
back
into
those
findings
and
say
hey.
P
We
agree
with
this
or
we're
also
denying
it,
and
for
these
other
reasons
as
well,
so
it's
still
kind
of
a
draft
workable
document,
but
we
do
that
in
order
to
get
the
record
straight
and
to
let
the
board
know
truly
how
you
felt
about
it
and
what
you
wanted.
You
know
why
you
wanted
to
deny
it.
So
that's
why
we
tabled
it.
P
Yeah
exactly
and
if
for
any
of
these
items,
where
you
know
if
it's
sometimes,
we
can
just
make
it
work
if
it
makes,
if
it's
very
simplistic
as
to
why
you
denied
it
or
approved
it,
but
oftentimes
very
complex
conversations
require
that
we
ask
you
to
table
it.
So
what
you're
doing
is
essentially
saying
we
approve
or
deny,
and
now
we're
asking
to
table,
to
revise
the
findings
to
reflect
our
decision.
So
you're
not
really
delaying
decision
you're,
just
giving
staff
and
you
a
chance
to
kind
of
flesh
out
the
reasons
for
the
decision.
So.
B
P
Yes,
yeah.
There
will
be
a
brief
presentation
by
staff
to
walk
you
through
the
changes
made
to
the
findings
to
reflect
your
decision
and
you'll
either
ask
staff
to
further
refine,
hopefully
not
to
the
level
that
we
need
to
table
it
again
or
just
accept
staff's
draft
and
that
would
become
yeah.
The
findings
document.