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A
Everybody
to
the
Ada,
County,
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
meeting
today
is
Thursday
February,
9,
2023
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
then
we'll
have
roll
call.
Brenda
butman
is
here
I'm,
commissioner
Exton.
Here,
commissioner
retzlaff
is
absent.
Commissioner
Birch
here,
commissioner
Wickstrom
is
absent,
commissioner
Scott
here
and
then
commissioner
Coulson
here
so
we've
taken
role.
We
appreciate
that
we
I'm
going
to
look
to
the
Commissioners
we'd
like
to
think
about
rearranging
the
agenda
to
to
provide
a
more
efficient
meeting.
Commissioner
Exton
Madam.
A
So
there's
been
a
motion
to
move
the
unfinished
business
for
spring
Rock
Development
to
the
end
of
the
agenda.
All
those
in
all
right
is
there
a
second
for
that
motion.
D
A
Any
opposed
so
we'll
rearrange
the
agenda.
Our
first
item
tonight
will
be
new
business,
which
is
project
number
202203006
and
Mr
danielson's
gonna
present
that
project.
E
Ma'am,
chair
and
Commissioners
project
number
2022-03006
s
is
a
primary
plot
for
two
lot
subdivision
in
the
Rural
Preservation
District.
The
property
is
located
at
13,
400
East,
Orchard
Ranch
Lane
and
contains
79.02
Acres
lot.
One
will
consist
of
40
acres
and
Lot.
2
will
consists
of
39.02
Acres.
The
two
lots
will
take
access
from
East
Orchard
Ranch
Lane,
which
is
an
existing
Private
Road.
The
subject
property
was
created
through
a
one-time
division.
This
110
division
divided
the
southeast
quarter
of
section
18
of
Township
One
South
Range
4
East
into
two
resultant
parcels.
E
E
When
the
applicant
surveyor
did
the
survey
for
the
one-time
division
of
the
quarter,
it
was
discovered
that
the
chorus
section
was
only
159.02
Acres.
It
has
been
determined
that
the
property
was
reduced
through
governmental
action
and
that
the
79.02
acre
parcel
is
conforming
and
can
be
divided
into
approximately
two
40
acre
lots.
E
The
subject
property
is
located
in
the
Wildland
Urban
Fire
interface
overlay
District.
The
fire
protection
plan
has
been
prepared
for
the
proposed
subdivision.
There
will
be
a
defensible
space
zone
of
50
feet
around
each
structure.
All
roofs
must
be
Class,
A
and
non-reflective.
Building
siding
of
metal,
masonry,
stone
or
brick
are
encouraged.
Each
residential
dwelling
is
required
to
have
fire
sprinkler
systems
being
NF
pa13d.
There
will
be
a
plaid
note
on
the
final
plot
requiring
the
property
owners
to
comply
with
the
fire
protection
plan.
E
In
addition,
the
subject
property
is
also
located
in
the
area
of
military
influence.
Overlay
District.
The
primary
purpose
of
this
overlay
district
is
provide
notification
areas
to
ensure
that
the
I
o
National
Guard
officials
are
made
aware
of
land
use
applications
within
the
area
of
military
influence,
overlay
District,
the
proposed
subject.
A
proposed
subdivision
is
within
a
buffer
area
surrounding
the
orchard
Combat
Training
Center,
which
is
to
the
south
of
the
proposed
subdivision.
E
E
There
are
no
neighbor
objections
to
the
subdivision
for
agency
comments.
The
Iowa
Department
of
fishing
game
mentioned
at
the
property
is
surrounded
by
numerous
slick,
spot,
pepper
grass
occurrences
and
observe
observations
and,
as
conditioned
prior
to
any
sign
permits
being
made,
the
applicant
will
need
to
have
a
qualified
professional
survey,
the
building
pad
in
the
driveway
location
for
slick,
spot
pepper
grass.
The
egg
County
building
official
replied
that
the
building
division
has
no
objection
and
that
the
applicant
should
be
where
a
building
permit
will
be
required
for
all
new
structures
over
200
square
feet.
A
F
Good
evening,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
this
matter
up
tonight.
We're
excited
to
go
forward
with
this
project.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
of
me
on
this
project,.
F
F
There
weren't
really
a
lot
of
questions.
It
was
mainly
just
a
time
of
getting
to
know
the
neighbors
and
and
visiting
they
wondered
when
we
would
be
moving
out.
We
told
them
that's
just
up
to
this
whole
process,
so
yeah,
it
was
just
just
a
good
time
of
visiting,
primarily
okay.
F
A
You
in
the
way,
the
way
the
hearing
works
is
that
with
the
applicant
talks,
and
then
we
open
it
up
for
a
public
hearing.
So
is
there
anybody
here
who
is
here
to
talk
about
this
application?
You've
got
three
minutes
to
say
your
piece
go
ahead
and
come
forward.
You
come
up
to
the
forward
to
the
mic,
and
then
you
you
give
us
your
name
and
address,
and
then
you
have
three
minutes
to
tell
us
what
you
want
to
tell
us.
G
My
name
is
Dalene
early
and
I'm,
currently
living
at
30,
000,
North,
Orchard,
Road,
Access
Road
I
would
like
to
know
on
behalf
of
my
family.
I
am
from
San
Diego,
but
I'm
up
here
for
some
medical
reasons,
but
I
would
like
to
know
is
any
of
this
development
going
to
impact
the
east
side
of
the
road
because
I
know
the
orchard.
The
13
400
goes
this
way.
G
G
In
the
is
it
is
this
subdivision
going
to
have
any
any
impact
on
that
property
as
far
as
zoning
laws
and
water
issues,
anything
like
that.
A
H
A
A
A
So
now
we
go
back
to
the
staff
and
we
ask
questions
with
the
staff.
Any
questions
from
the
commissioners
and
I
would
like
to
repeat
that
question.
If
you
could
re-explain
sure
what
the
what
the
zoning
impact
is
and
what
the
what
the
impact
is
to
that
particular
house,
so.
E
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners,
the
property
is
currently
is
a
Zone
rule.
Preservation
and
the
zoning
itself
will
remain
Rural
Preservation,
so
so
World
preservation,
typically
it's
it's
one
doing
it
per
40.
Acres
is
kind
of
the
the
density
range
that
you
see
with
Rural
Preservation
district
and
the
applicants
proposed
side
division
meets
that
a
density
range
of
basically
having
one
dual
unit
per
40
acres.
E
E
Overall.
I.
Don't
believe
that
you
know
this
would
have
too
much
impact
on
the
neighboring
properties,
because
we're
only
adding
you
know
to
another
additional
residence
to
that
private
road,
so
the
applicant
himself
actually
actually
permitted
the
private
road
itself
or
east
Orchard
Ranch
Lane,
and
so
this
will
only
be
adding
one
additional
lot
to
that's
to
the
Private
Road
itself
and
then
in
terms
of
water.
The
applicant
will
need
to
obtain
a
well
drilling
permit
from
the
Iowa
Department
for
our
resources
and
the
well
drilling
permanent.
E
The
wire
right
will
have
restrictions
based
on
the
Iowa
Department
of
Water
Resources,
so
they'll
be
you'll,
be
if
it's
a
domestic
wire
right.
You
know
there'll
be
only
a
certain
amount
of
area
that
they
can
use
to
irrigate
lawn,
Etc
and
then
I'm
here
to
answer
any
additional
follow-up
questions
in
regards
to
that.
A
I
E
E
Before
I
forget,
this
presentation,
I
gave
out
will
be
known,
as
exhibit
number
29,
so
that
we
could
get
that
on
the
record.
Thank.
A
F
One
thing,
I
would
say
is:
is
yeah
all
we're
doing
is
just
putting
a
couple
houses
there
for
us
and
for
our
kids
and
Brent
had
mentioned
the
water.
We
will
be
drawing
off
a
shared.
Well,
the
property
directly
to
the
West
is
another
son's
property.
He
and
his
wife
live
there
and
we
have
a
well
that
was
put
in
last
year,
and
so
we
will
be
sharing
that
well.
H
I
I
J
Commissions,
I
think
there
might
be
a
you
might
have
a
different
project
number
that
you
need
to
read
into.
A
A
A
I
I
B
A
Been
seconded
by
commissioner
Coulson
go
ahead
and
discuss
it.
I.
B
A
I'll
go
ahead
and
call
for
the
questions.
If
there's
no
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
this
motion
say
aye.
D
A
And
I'll
say
I
and
all
those
opposed
say,
nay,
and
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
the
Commissioners
voted
for
this
project.
Thank
you.
Our
next
project
up
is
202201390.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
application.
Before
you
is.
L
L
So
this
is
a
conditional
use
application
for
an
indoor
riding
arena.
An
equestrian
facility
property
is
located
at
233
West,
duck
Alley
Road
and
contains
a
total
of
57.3
acres
in
the
rural
urban
transition.
District,
so
spur
Wing
Stables
is
an
existing
commercial
equestrian
facility
and
boarding
Center
that
operates
off
duck.
Alley
Road
back
in
2007,
a
conditional
use
was
approved
for
stables
and
a
riding
arena
for
the
site,
as
a
private
use.
Only
that
permit
ultimately
expired
as
the
building
permit
plans
for
the
arena
were
rejected.
L
A
new
conditional
use
is
required
and
that's
why
it's
before
you
tonight,
so
the
site
currently
includes
a
single
family,
residence
and
I'll.
Do
my
best
to
highlight
these
as
my
cursor,
but
there's
an
existing
single-family
residence
here
and
some
personal
storage
buildings.
That's
around
it.
We
also
have
a
let's
see
right
in
here,
a
7250
square,
foot
Barn
and
then
also
on
the
site.
Just
to
the
east
of
that
there
is
a
2
000
square
foot
agricultural
structure
to
the
north.
L
We
have
some
existing
Eventing
stalls,
they're
not
highlighted
here,
because
I
believe
those
are
to
be
removed.
As
it's
noted
here,
then
we
also
have
various
smaller
horse
sheds
throughout
the
property
that
are
just
for
private
use.
Only
one
of
those
horse
sheds
will
be
demolished
where
a
future
structure
is
going
to
be
located
and
then.
Lastly,
an
existing
structure
here
is
a
1500
square.
Foot
hay
barn,
that's
going
to
remain
so
in
addition
to
these
existing
structures
that
are
going
to
remain.
L
The
applicant
proposes
kind
of
a
two-phased
approach
to
add
some
additional
structures.
So
phase
one
is
going
to
include
a
9
500
square
foot
horse
stable.
That's
in
this
area
here
up
here
to
the
north,
very
Northwest
part
of
the
screen,
there's
going
to
be
some
Eventing
stalls
and
then
back
down
here
we
have
a
2800
square
foot,
Walker,
building
and
then
phase.
L
L
The
the
site
currently
has
various.
You
know
outdoor
Arena
spaces,
some
cross-country
courses
and
with
Gates
and
jumps
a
new
outdoor
riding
arena.
Andrew
Sasha
Court
are
also
going
to
be
added,
and
those
are
noted
up
in
here.
L
The
property,
as
you
see
here
on
the
map,
is
within
the
flood,
Hazard
overlay
districts
and
so
the
the
areas
within
red
that
are
hash
that
go
along
the
northern
property
line.
That's
the
flood
way
of
the
Boise
River
and
then
those
areas
in
blue
it
was
Zone
AE
or
the
100
Year
floodplain.
So
any
development
or
construction
of
you
know
new
structures
within
that
that
blue
area,
that's
as
you
go
back,
some
of
those
are
proposed
within
that
blue
area.
Those
will
require
a
a
floodplain
application
at
that
time.
L
So,
let's
see
here
in
addition
to
the
structures,
there
are
some
parking
areas
that
are
provided.
You
can
kind
of
see
them
here.
There's
10
proposed
spaces
and
four
Ada
parking
spaces,
there's
also
some
temporary
event
parking
up
here
for
trailers
and
other
passenger
vehicles
when
they
have
their
weekend
equestrian
facility
events,
the
applicant
noted
in
their
detail
letter
that
they
they
will
have
some
weekend
events,
but
generally
speaking,
the
the
main
majority
of
the
uses
for
training
and
classes
and
boarding
of
horses.
L
L
L
There
is
a
small
area
here,
that's
also
noted
as
being
Civic
and
there's
a
Planned
Park
up
here
to
the
North
in
general.
This
low
density
residential
is
intended
for
densities
of
three
drawing
units
or
less
per
acre
as
a
proposed
Arena,
and
the
equestrian
facility
provides
the
Gathering,
Place
and
recreational
amenity
for
the
community.
It
is
compatible
with
the
land
use
map.
The
city
of
Meridian
did
weigh
in.
They
just
wanted
the
applicant
to
know
that
there's
a
future
proposed
pathway,
it's
going
to
be
somewhere
in
the
general
vicinity.
L
L
There's
some
Key
conditions
here
that
pertain
to
the
the
project
like
I
said
earlier.
Any
grading
or
construction
within
the
flood
Hazard
overlay
district
will
require
a
floodplain
application,
that'll
be
for
each
structure.
The
applicant
will
also
have
to
comply
with
Meridian
fire
Center
District
Health
they're
going
to
have
to
approve
the
septic
system.
And,
lastly,
here
the
the
highway
district,
they
did
have
some
site
specific
and
standard
conditions
of
approval
that
the
applicant
will
have
to
follow.
We
did
keep
that
fairly
Broad
and
it
sounds
like
the
applicant
would
like
to
appeal.
L
One
of
achd's
conditions
relating
to
the
the
canal
that
runs
through
the
property.
If
I
go
back
here
when
we're
a
long
duck,
Alley
Road
there
is
a
canal
that
runs
through
and
this
is
maintained
by
the
Eureka
water
district.
The
applicant
can
tell
you
more
about
this,
but
essentially
achd
in
their
standard
condition,
states
that
any
irrigation,
canals
and
Facilities
shall
be
moved
outside
of
the
right-of-way.
L
This
area
and
duck
Alley
Road
is
supposed
to
be
widened,
so
it's
really
up
to
the
Irrigation
District
to
handle
that
not
necessarily
the
applicants,
so
the
applicant
is
going
to
appeal
that
to
achd
directly
so
I,
don't
believe
you
know
if
they
were
to
appeal.
This
condition
should
remain
the
same
and
cover
that
just
some
additional
info
you'll
see
on
your
order
page
there
that
states
there's
a
master
site
plan.
That's
incorrect,
there's
no
master
site
plan
with
this
application.
It's
just
a
conditional
use
permit.
L
L
We'd
like
to
I
think
narrow
that
down
a
little
bit
more
because
the
applicant
has
not
proposed
any
dates
for
that
phasing
plan
at
this
time
as
part
of
their
testimony
tonight,
I
think
they're
going
to
provide
you
with
some
options,
maybe,
but
in
the
past
we've
done
five
years.
You
know
two
years
just
depends
on
what
you're
comfortable
with
but
phase
one
as
you
recollect
is
most
of
the
facility
and
then
phase
two
is
going
to
include
that
writing
Arena.
L
L
Yeah
Madam,
chair
I,
did
incorporate
into
the
record
as
an
additional
exhibit
the
the
condition
and
I
can
read
it.
Its
standard
condition
of
approval
number
one
says
that
all
proposed
irrigation
facilities
shall
be
located
outside
the
achd
right-of-way,
including
easements,
and
this
is
the
standard
condition
that
the
applicant
has
some
issues
with
and
I
believe
that
they're
going
to
address
with
achd,
but
they
can
maybe
talk
to
you
more
about
that.
A
D
A
So
so
what
makes
us
think
it's
okay
to
approve
this?
If
achd
is
saying
it's
an
F
in
terms
of
traffic
impact.
L
I'm
sure
that's
a
great
question,
so
Leonard
Road
as
part
of
their
requirements
as
well.
The
applicant
is
supposed
to
dedicate
additional
right-of-way,
so
it
sounds
like
62
feet
from
Center
Line.
So
that's
one
way
to
hopefully
widen
the
road
in
the
future.
You
know
they're
going
to
gain
that
right
of
way.
In
addition,
there's
a
current
project
in
place
and
I,
don't
know
where
that
is,
and
it's
you
know
along
the
way,
but
to
the
south
of
this
project
up
the
hill
past
the
temple
or
near
the
temple.
L
There's
some
additional
widening,
that's
going
to
be
starting
and
I.
Think
it's
supposed
to
go
further
to
the
north.
I,
don't
know
if
we
have.
Maybe
the
applicant
can
speak
more
to
that,
but
I
think.
Currently
it
is
an
F
if
you
will,
but
there
are
plans
to
already
mitigate
that
those
impacts
and
widen
that
road
in
the
future.
So.
L
Manager,
that
is
correct,
yeah,
definitely
with
the
with
the
right-of-way
dedication
they're
also
going
to
provide-
or
this
is
part
of
the
conditions
of
approval
from
achd
they're-
to
provide
12,
500,
Road
trust
deposit
in
lieu
of
constructing
a
five
foot
wide
sidewalk.
So
either
they
can
provide
a
sidewalk
or
they
can
provide
further
money
to
hopefully
widen
that
roadway
and
maintain
it.
B
Chair
go
ahead
with
the
amendment
or
the
proposed
amendment
to
condition
12.
Can
you
just
give
like
a
rough
example,
perhaps
of
what
adding
that
time
frame
would
actually
look
like
yeah.
L
Madam
chair
commissioner
X,
and
so
as
it
states
now
it
just
basically
says
that
the
applicant
shall
comply
with
the
phasing
plan
right
now.
The
phasing
plan
just
says
that
they're
going
to
have
two
different
phases,
and
so
we
don't
really
have
a
timeline
there
any
years,
so
you
could
add
on
you
know
you
could
say
something
to
the
effect
that
the
phasing
plan
shock
consists
of
phase
one
being
completed
within
two
years
in
phase
two
within
five
years.
Sir
I
don't
know
Leon.
If
you
want
to
touch
more
on
that.
J
A
M
Good
evening
Madam,
chair
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Jared
Walgren
I'm,
with
jgt
architecture
representing
the
applicant.
My
address
is
1135
12th
Avenue
Road
in
Nampa
Conor
did
a
good
job
of
kind
of
laying
out
the
scope
of
the
project.
M
A
little
history
behind
the
the
property
started
out
as
a
residential
property
for
the
the
owners
and
they
used
it
for
the
care
and
feeding
of
their
personal
horses
and
it
gradually
evolved
into
this
facility
where
they
provide
space
for
horse
trainers
to
train
their
equestrian.
Students
on
dressage
show,
jumping
and
cross-country
events.
M
Really
the
property
is
ideal
for
this
use.
The
surrounding
area
is
pretty
compatible,
there's
softball
fields
and
a
golf
course.
It's
a
very
outdoor
area,
great
spot
for
some
open
Green
Space,
and
this
contributes
well
to
that
that
compatibility
being
in
the
flood
plain
where
everything
is
kind
of
largely
an
outdoor
use
and
exterior
type,
Barns
and
stuff
with
horses,
there's
minimal
impact.
M
If
flooding
were
ever
an
issue
to
get
to
the
the
question
regarding
phasing
kind
of
been
identified
in
the
staff,
we've
had
a
couple
iterations,
as
as
two
phases
it'll,
probably
be
a
little
bit
more
fluid
than
that
that
the
intent
as
soon
as
we
get
approval
here
would
be
to
construct
the
Walker
building,
which
I
guess
this
laser
doesn't
work
very
well
on
the
laser
it's
the
round.
M
Building
there
kind
of
in
the
middle
that'll
happen
right
away
and
that'll
be
followed
by
probably
the
additional
outdoor
Arena
spaces
to
the
north,
and
you
know
as
soon
as
they
can
and
as
soon
as
it
makes
sense
financially
and
with
the
market
and
the
how
well
it's
received
by
the
the
students
and
and
people
using
the
facility.
They'll
try
to
grow
it
as
quickly
as
they
can.
The
stable
would
probably
follow
after
that
and
I
think
I've.
M
If
you
go
to
the
next
sheets,
we've
done
some
concept
elevations,
for
what
that
stable
might
look
like
followed
by
you
know
the
Eventing
stalls.
All
of
that
they
think
should
probably
happen
within
like
a
five-year
time
period.
The
indoor
arena
that's
a
little
bit
more
of
a
a
dream
element
that
they
they
would
like
to
include
and
would
do
it
as
soon
as
possible
that
it
could
likely
happen
after
that.
M
So
I,
don't
know
what
the
appropriate
way
to
allow
for
that
in
your
approval
would
be,
but
that's
kind
of
the
rough
time
frame
and
and
getting
to
the
achd
issue.
We've
read
through
the
the
staff
report
and
conditions
and
agree
with
all
of
them.
There
was
the
one
issue
with
the
the
language
and
the
achd
report
that
was
kind
of
a
blanket
standard
condition
that
all
irrigation
must
be
moved
outside
of
the
right-of-way
and-
and
there
was
some
confusion
on
the
term
where
it
referred
to
easements
as
well.
M
There
are
no
achd
easements
there,
so
I've,
actually,
just
as
recently
as
today
discussed
it
with
achd
staff
and
they've,
essentially
said
we're
not
going
to
make
you
move
the
canal.
I
think
we're
good
on
all
of
that,
but
I
think
we
just
wanted
to
have.
It
noted
that
that
would
be
a
pretty
major
ask
to
move
those
canals
and
I
think
we're
we're
close
and
we're
getting
it
worked
out.
M
So
if,
if
we
can
get
it
worked
out
with
achd
and
that
is
still
applicable
to
this
as
long
as
their
conditions
change
to
confirm
that
I
think
we're
okay
and
with
that
I.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
I'd
be
glad
to
answer.
Thank.
A
I'll
go
ahead
and
look
to
the
commissioner's
questions.
Do
we
have
any
questions?
I
have
a
question
is?
Is
there
going
to
be
a
residential
component
there
long
term?
Yes,.
M
A
M
M
A
M
A
A
If
there's
anybody
out
there
so
now
our
questions
will
go
back
to
the
staff
and
then
we'll
ask
for
the
applicant
to
come
forward.
Can
you
tell
me
if
this
is
making
a
recommendation
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners
or
if
this
is?
If
this
is
something
we're
doing,
is
it
forever
with
the
property
or
is
it
with
a
five-year
renewal.
L
So
Madam
chair
this
is
it
stops
with
you
unless
the
application
were
to
get
appealed.
This
is
a
normal
just
conditional
use
permit
so
generally,
with
a
conditional
use.
Permit
we
and
you'll
see
in
your
findings.
It's
if
approved,
then
the
applicant
would
have
two
years
to
meet
all
the
conditions
and
actually
start
to
build.
L
You
know
they
can
obtain
a
building
permit
within
two
years
and
not
necessarily
finish
building
until
after
that,
but
they
at
least
have
to
obtain
a
building
permit
and
finish
most
of
the
conditions,
if
not
all
prior
to
that
two-year
timeline
after
two
years
you
know,
if
they
still
haven't
completed
those
conditions,
then
they
can
file
for
a
one-year
administrative
time
extension
and
still
after
then,
if
they
haven't
completed
the
conditions,
they
could
come
forth
with
an
ask
to
the
board
for
a
two-year
additional
time
extension.
L
A
It
does
I
think
any
other
questions.
Commissioner
Burch.
I
I
have
a
question
along
the
same
lines.
So
so,
if
the
applicant
wants
to
phase
this
project
and
and
do
each
component
of
it,
complete
that
and
then
see
whether
or
not
there's
a
need
to
go
further,
can
we
approve
the
entire
project
and
let's
say
it
takes
some
four
or
five
ten
years
to
get
it
done?
Do
they
have
to
do
it
within
the
two-year
time
frame,
or
can
they
take,
however
long
it
takes
them
to
to
accomplish
what
they
ultimately
want
to
achieve
right,
Madam.
L
Chair,
commissioner
Birch,
so
if
there
was
not
a
phased
approach
to
it,
let's
just
say
they
were
approved
tonight,
for
you
know
the
project
they
would
have
to
obtain
building
permits
for
each
of
the
structures
and
complete
the
conditions
within
two
years.
Unless
they,
you
know,
kept
getting
X.
You
know
additional
time
extensions,
but
what's
nice
about
the
phasing
plan
is
it
does
allow
them
or
allows
you
to
rather
extend
it
out?
So
you
could
do
two.
You
know
two
different
plans
or
I'm.
Sorry,
you
could
do
two
or
three
different
phases.
L
A
M
I'm
chair,
thank
you
with
respect
to
the
phasing
I
think
all
of
the
the
smaller
buildings
that
have
been
identified
as
the
phase.
One
I
think
that
if
we
can
request
that
that's
accomplished
within
a
five-year
time
period
and
then
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
an
option
for
an
extension
on
phase
two
after
that
five-year
time
period
seems
like
what
that
is
in
line
with
the
owners.
Thinking
on
the
project,
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
I'd
be
glad
to
discuss.
H
A
I
had
a
question
about
the
pathway,
the
potential
Pathway
to
the
parks
in
city
of
Meridian
Meridian
City
meridian's
got
a
pretty
defined
pathway
project.
So
what
were
your
conversations
with
the
city
of
Meridian
about
potential
access
honestly.
M
Obviously
it's
in
a
comprehensive
plan
that
sort
of
include
some
of
the
property,
and
it
is
an
area
of
the
property
that
is,
has
no
structures
or
anything
built
on
it.
So
I'm
assuming
we
can
certainly
be
flexible
in
talking
with
the
city
to
accommodate
what
they
might
have
in
mind
in
the
in
the
future,
so
that
I
don't
think
from
the
the
sliver
that
you
showed
on
the
map
it
looked
like
that
was
essentially
not
a
part
of
the
property
where
there
would
be
any
structures
built.
Okay,.
A
You
we'll
have
some
discussions,
so
this
closes
the
public
hearing
for
this
project
and
I.
Looked
at
a
commissioner
for
a
a
motion
to
approve
the
project
table
the
project
or
deny
the
project.
C
202201-390-Cu
subject
to
the
conditions
of
the
approval
attached
I
believe
we
are
also
almost
recommending
to
strike
the
master
site
plan
from
that
order,
as
well
as
proposing
the
phases
of
the
initial
phase
of
five
years,
with
a
potential
option
to
extend
afterwards.
C
Oh
I
can't
leave
it
open
10
years,
we'll
just
say
10-year
for
phase
two:
okay.
A
B
C
I,
just
I
I've,
actually
so
I.
My
kids
play
baseball
on
West,
Valley,
Little
League,
so
I've,
driven
by
this
place
all
the
time
it's
going
to
be
the
same
as
what
it
is.
It's
just
a
horse
arena
for
the
the
use
that
fits
within
all
of
the
requirements
as
laid
out
within
previous
plans.
C
B
Yeah
I
mean
pretty
much
the
same
thing
as
commissioner
Scott.
It
seems
very
cohesive
with
what's
already
there
and
kind
of
what's
up
the
the
feature
in
land
use
is
going
to
say
you
know
and
I
agree
the
smallest
deliver
that
was
kind
of
marked
for
the
pathways
project.
I,
don't
imagine
it
being
some
massive
detriment
per
se
to
this
project,
and
all
of
that
so.
H
A
N
A
O
O
The
facility
will
include
16
stalls
boarding,
one
horse
per
stall
and
a
riding
arena
and
pasture
area
Stahl
will
be
432
square
feet
with
144
square
feet.
Covered
The
Proposal
will
also
include
a
hay
storage
structure
of
2160
square
feet.
Sever
seven
trailer
parking
spaces
are
provided
near
the
stall
area.
O
As
for
the
operations,
a
maximum
of
16
horses
will
be
boarded
at
one
time.
The
hours
of
operation
are
proposed
to
be
from
7
AM
to
10
p.m.
7
days
a
week,
manure
is
to
be
removed
from
stalls
daily
and
removed
from
the
property
periodically.
The
perimeter
of
the
site
has
already
been
fully
fenced
and,
as
conditioned
no
use
of
sound
amplifying
devices
will
be
allowed.
O
The
applicant
expects,
on
average,
around
10
cars
per
day
agency
comments
that
we
received
on
this
application
include
Central
District
Health,
who
will
require
an
accessory
use
application,
the
County
engineer,
who
will
require
a
grading
plan
and
Cuna
fire
who
will
need
to
approve
the
fire
access
roads
and
the
water
supply
for
firefighting.
There
were
no
neighborhood
comments
received
and
with
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
and
I'll
stand
for
any.
O
Chair
commissioner
Birch,
the
applicant
did
include
that
in
their
application
that
they
would
not
be
using
sound,
amplifying
devices
all
right.
Thank.
I
A
Any
other
questions
and
I'm,
assuming
that
this
is
like
the
one
that
we
just
talked
about,
where
the
approval
runs
with
the
property.
It's
not
a
five-year
Madam.
O
P
A
You
very
much
what
questions
do
you
have
for
the
applicant.
P
A
A
Any
questions
for
the
staff,
I,
don't
see
any
more
questions.
The
applicant
you've
got
your
final
chance
to
say
anything.
You
want
to
tell
us,
or
you
can
just
wave
it.
Yep
you're,
good,
okay,
I'm,
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
look
to
the
Commissioners
for
a
motion
to
approve,
deny
or
table
this
project.
D
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
second
a.
C
B
C
H
A
Going
to
Echo
commissioner
Birch's
comment
that
we
really
appreciate
the
applicant
Coming
forward
with
no
Amplified
sound
that
makes
our
job
so
much
easier.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
putting
that
in
any
more
comments
before
we
vote.
All
those
in
favor
of
this
motion
say
aye.
P
A
Q
That's
good
to
hear
Madam
chair,
Commissioners,
Brent
Moore,
with
Ada
County
development
services
before
you
is
an
area
of
City
Impact
renegotiation
with
the
city
of
Kuna.
Q
So
here
is
a
map
of
kina's
existing
areas
of
City
Impact.
The
area
outlined
in
white
is
Kino's
original
area
of
impact
approved
in
1998,
while
the
area
outlined
in
yellow
is
land
which
was
added
in
2017.,
and
the
area
shaded
yellow
is
property
which
has
already
been
annexed
by
the
city
of
kuna,
and
this
is
pretty
unique
to
have
two
areas
of
impact
for
one
city:
that's
a
unique
situation:
Kiana
acia
is
currently
subject
to
cuna's
1998
comp
plan,
which
is
the
last
plan
adopted
by
the
county
for
this
area.
Q
While
Cuna
acib
is
subject
to
Ada
County's
2016
comp
plan,
when
cuno
requested
to
expand
their
area
of
impact
in
2016,
the
county
felt
the
city's
comp
plan
at
that
time
designated
uses
that
were
too
intensive
for
some
of
the
areas
located
further
out
from
Kuna
City
Center.
So
as
a
compromise,
the
county
agreed
to
expand
the
area
of
impacts
on
the
condition
it'd
be
subject
to
Ada
County's
comp
plan,
which
designated
less
intensive
land
uses
on
these
properties.
Q
So
in
2019,
kuna
adopted
a
new
comprehensive
plan
which
amended
last
November
to
include
more
agriculture,
public
and
low
density
land
use
designations
similar
to
the
land
use
map.
Ada
County
has
adopted
for
this
area.
So
just
as
a
an
explanation
on
this
land
use
map,
the
areas
in
green
are
designated.
Agriculture.
Blue
is
public.
So
that's
a
lot
of
state
of
Idaho,
BLM
land
and
the
yellow
is
low
density,
residential
and
then
the
it's
like.
The
orange
is
more
of
a
medium
density
residential.
Q
Q
And
this
just
shows
how
it
compares
to
the
Ada
County's
land
use
map
which
is
currently
adopted
for
this
area
on
Ada
County's
map
on
the
left.
The
green
again
is
agriculture.
The
brown
is
rangeland
similar
to
agriculture
and
the
yellow
is
low
density
residential.
So
in
general,
it's
kind
of
similar
to
the
Ada
County
land
use
map
currently
adopted
for
the
area.
Q
A
R
R
R
Okay,
as
the
representative
for
the
Southwest
State
account,
the
alliance
do
I,
have
three
minutes
or
15
3
3.
R
I'm,
going
to
just
request
that
the
Commissioners
read
very
carefully
Mrs
Keith
January
13th
letter
on
behalf
of
the
Southwest
data
County
Alliance,
and
the
letter
that
the
previous
Commissioners
wrote
to
Cuna,
suggesting
that
this
was
not
the
time
to
stretch
resources
so
on
on
both
of
these
items.
I
feel
that
we've
seen
our
infrastructure
overburdened
so
many
times
in
the
past.
Having
been
with
the
Southwest
Ada
County
Alliance
for
30
years,
we've
seen
even
with
good
planning
comprehensive
plans
go
where
there
has
been
approval
for
growth
and
we've
seen
decades.
R
I
live
in
the
city
of
Boise
now
and
I
have
seen
decades
go
by
without
valuable
necessary
infrastructure
that
affects
residents,
safety
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
Commissioners
live
outside
cities.
Some
live
inside
cities,
but
you're
all
representing
Ada
County
and
we're
hoping
that
the
county
will
decide
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
growth
rate
and
and
try
to
put
value
where
density
is.
R
And
hopefully
we
won't
have
growth
repeat
itself
that
exists
along
Lake,
Hazel
and
Five
Mile,
where
there's
density,
there's
heavy
density
and
we
don't
have
the
roads
and
we
will
continue
to
have
a
lacking
in
terms
of
funding
from
from
achd
to
get
that
done.
So
again,
if
there's
a
market
out
there.
R
A
Q
Madam,
chair
Commissioners,
that
was
a
letter
from
Marissa
Keith.
She
was
referenced
on
from
the
southwest
Ada
County
Alliance,
that
was
in
reference
to
Spring
Rock
and
I
can
explain
that
more
at
that
item.
But
essentially
it
came
in
after
the
deadline
for
late
exhibits,
but
it
has
been
added
to
the
spring
Rock
file
and
will
be
included
in
that
report,
but
it
that
letter
was
specifically
regarding
spring
Rock.
I
Q
Madam
chair
commissioner
Birch.
Yes,
so
the
area
of
impact
does
is
the
area
Cuna
anticipates
eventually
annexing
at
some
point
in
the
future.
For
the
other
cities,
we
are
utilizing.
The
city's
comp
plans
say
for
the
Meridian
Boise
Garden
City
areas
of
impact
we've
adopted
their
comp
plans.
This
one
was
just
unique
and
that
when
kuna
came
to
expand
the
area
of
impact,
it
was
a
compromise.
The
commission
had
worked
out
back
in
2017
to
let
them
expand
but
use
Ada
County's
comp
plan.
Q
I
Q
There
Madam
chair
commissioner
Birch
yes,
so
the
county
would
still
have
the
final
say
on
unincorporated
properties.
Just
when
we're
looking
at
an
application,
we
would
see
how
Keno's
comp
plan
designates
it
rather
than
how
Ada
County's
plan
designates
it
long
term.
The
zoning
wouldn't
change,
so
all
existing
zoning
would
stay
the
same.
This
is
just
future
land
use,
designation
from
the
comprehensive
plan
yeah.
I
Q
A
H
C
202202944-Cpa-Zczero
r
z,
o
a
to
the
board
dated
today.
C
Sorry,
February,
9th
2022
or
2023.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
a
second
commissioner
Colson
seconded
the
motion?
Go
ahead,
commissioner,
Scott.
C
I'm
I
actually
think
this.
This
gives
the
people
of
cunya
more
of
a
say
personally,
because
if
it
defers
to
their
City
they
can
it
takes
them
out
of
the
the
vague
broadness
of
Ada
County,
which
operates
here
in
Boise,
which,
as
the
the
seat
of
Ada
County,
it
makes
sense.
C
But
if
deferring
to
Ada
County's
plans
or
decue
to
cuna's,
plans
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
because
then
the
people
of
kunai
who
are
directly
impacted
by
this
would
have
more
of
a
voice
with
their
local
leadership
as
well
as
Ada
County
working
with
with
Cuna
to
do
what's
best
for
those
people,
rather
than
it
just
being
broadly
Ada
County's
decision,
so
I
I
think
because
it
doesn't
change
any
of
the
the
zoning.
It
doesn't
really
change.
C
Anything
as
as
commissioner
Burch
determined
I
think
this
actually
is
better
in
general
for
the
local
community
and
those
that
would
be
trying
to
make
decisions
rather
than
just
leaving
it
kind
of
open
like
that.
So.
B
Madam
chair,
yes,
yeah
I,
just
second
everything
else,
but
I
also
think
I
kind
of
look
at
this.
In
a
way
of
almost
like
a
cleanup,
you
know
it's
like
the
staff
said
it
was
a
very
unique
situation
having
the
two
different
areas
of
impact
with
different
codes.
All
of
that
you
know,
and
we
pretty
much
have
the
same
agreement
so
to
speak
with
every
other
city
in
the
county
or
almost
every
other
City
County,
if
I'm
wrong,
so
I
think
it.
It
makes
sense
for
us
to
also
offer
that
to
cuno
as
well.
A
Any
other
comments,
I
would
just
comment
that
I
am
a
Cuna
person
and
I've
been
ink.
You
know
a
long
time
and
I'm
glad
to
see
Kiana
having
some
professionals
that
can
put
together
some
of
these
kinds
of
things
on
more
long-term
basis.
So
I
view
this
as
a
positive,
so
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
motion.
All
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye.
P
A
J
J
What
we're
asking
you
to
do
is
amend
the
Ada
County
comprehensive
plan
to
adopt
by
reference
to
Capital
Improvement
plans
or
cips
for
the
Ada,
County
Sheriff,
jail
corner
and
paramedics
in
quotes.
This
is
growth
paying
for
growth.
So,
if
you're
familiar
with
impact
fees,
I'll
read
directly
from
our
website.
J
An
impact
fee
is
a
one-time
fee
that
is
imposed
by
a
local
government
on
a
new
or
proposed
development
project
to
pay
for
all
or
a
portion
of
the
cost
of
providing
public
services
to
the
new
development.
So
public
services
in
the
form
of
the
sheriff
the
jail.
The
coroner
and
the
paramedics
are
the
subject
of
the
capital
Improvement
plans
that
are
before
you
for
adoption.
J
J
So
there's
a
lot
of
background
math
that
goes
into
figuring
out
what
we
need
from
a
service
level
standpoint
in
terms
of
new
facilities,
apparatus
Etc,
and
then
we
kind
of
based
that
on
what
we're
expecting
growth,
wise
and
figure
out
what
our
funding
needs
are
going
to
be,
and
that
essentially
generates
the
fee
schedule
on
the
right
here
for
impact
fees.
J
So
this
is
kind
of
walk
you
through
that
we
have
two
fees
for
the
sheriff,
because
essentially
we're
only
charging
for
Sheriff
and
unincorporated
data
County
the
city's
pretty
much
have
their
own
police
force
other
than
the
city
of
Eagle.
They
do
rely
on
the
account
of
sheriff,
but
they
have
a
separate
agreement
there.
That
kind
of
works
through
that
situation,
and
then
everyone,
both
within
the
city
and
Ada
County,
unincorporated
County,
would
pay
fees
for
jail,
paramedics
and
the
corner.
J
Down
at
the
bottom
is
a
rough
total
of
what
someone
could
expect
for
a
new
residence
in
unincorporated
County.
It's
going
to
be
1650
inside
City
Limits,
it's
going
to
be
984.,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
and
agencies
that
collect
their
own
impact
fees
right
now,
Ada
County,
Highway
District,
is
an
example.
They
collect
impact
fees
to
fund
roadway
improvements,
different
things
like
that,
each
City,
mainly
some
of
them,
are
still
figuring
out
how
to
collect
impact
fees,
have
their
own
pack,
fees
for
police,
fire
parks
and
so
forth.
J
So
this
is
Ada
County's
turn
to
try
to
put
this
tool
in
its
toolbox,
basically
as
a
way
to
again
try
to
help
growth
pay
for
growth,
as
we
continue
to
see
more
people
come
into
the
area
and
the
need
for
more
housing
and
Commercial
uses.
We
also
have
a
development
impact
fee
advisory
committee,
and
so
the
role
of
that
committee
is
to
review
these
fees
and
our
Associated
cips
to
make
sure
that
they're
up
to
date
and
that
we're
collecting
the
right
amount.
J
They
also
process
any
waivers
or
modifications
at
the
project
level
or
at
least
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board
to
process
those
in
terms
of
next
steps
and
I
can
walk
through
the
cips.
If
you
really
want
to
drill
down
into
the
details,
I
have
kind
of
a
link
to
each
of
those,
but
it
was
included
in
your
packet
and
again
kind
of
explains
how
we
got
to
what
we
think
we
need
to
pay
for
and
and
how
we
came
up
with
the
fee
again
shown
on
the
right.
J
So
in
terms
of
next
steps
in
the
event
that
you
recommend
approval
of
this
will
go
to
the
board.
We
hope
the
board
adopts
this
as
well,
and
they
would
also
establish
an
ordinance
to
allow
us
to
collect
those
fees.
That's
not
something
subject
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission's
approval,
but
it
is
something
that
we
will
see
with
the
board
at
the
next
phase,
so
that
would
essentially
get
the
unincorporated
properties
taken.
Care
of.
J
We
have
also
been
in
very
lengthy
discussions
with
our
city
Partners
to
have
them
adopt
our
cips
into
their
comp
plans
as
well
and
to
establish
their
own
ordinances
to
collect
those
fees.
For
us,
the
county
kind
of
has
the
tough
Hall
of
getting
everyone
to
row
in
the
same
direction
in
the
same
boat
for
the
impact
fees,
whereas
cities
kind
of
get
to
say
this
is
our
city
limits
and
we're
going
to
collect
this
fee,
and
we
don't
really
have
to
figure
it
out
with
anybody
else.
J
Ada
County
again
has
kind
of
a
little
bit
tougher
of
a
fight,
which
is
why
this
project
has
taken
a
while
to
to
get
to
this
point.
We
have
really
good
working
relationships
with
a
lot
of
the
Cities
right
now
we
are
still
answering
some
questions
with
Boise
and
Meridian
and
I'm
in
a
lot
of
meetings
with
Mayors
and
council
members
to
talk
about
how
this
can
all
work.
But
that
would
be
the
next
step.
J
So
then
we
would
have
fees
collected
both
within
city
limits,
as
well
as
bin
unincorporated
areas
to
again
fund
the
sheriff
jail
corner
and
paramedics.
So
with
that
staff
is
recommending
that
you
approve
the
project
and
I
guess
recommend
approval
to
the
board
for
20220-2984,
CPA
and
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.
What.
I
J
J
Those
are
things
that
can
be
worked
out
with
impact
fees
and
again
I'll
rely
on
Brent
to
kind
of
talk.
You
through
that,
and
probably
the
applicant
who's
been
in
a
lot
of
discussions
with
the
service
providers
in
the
area,
but
yeah
that's
pretty
much
how
we
would
make
that
calculation.
J
J
I
think
our
service
levels-
and
you
know
some
of
the
expenses
to
taxpayers
and
other
things
like
that-
would
have
been
different
if
we
had
this
tool
in
the
toolbox
a
little
bit
earlier
and
it's
kind
of
an
emerging
tool
that
a
lot
of
communities
around
Idaho
and
Western
cities
are
making
use
of,
because
again,
we've
historically
underfunded
services
for
different
things-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
better
way
than
all
of
a
sudden
increasing
a
tax
levy
rate
or
a
bond
or
something
along
those
lines.
A
Any
more
questions,
I
look
at
that
list
and
I
say:
why
is
there
not
a
park
fee
for
Ada,
County,
yeah.
J
J
The
simple
answer
is
well.
The
easy
answer
for
me
is
I.
Wasn't
there
as
a
part
of
that
conversation
up
front,
but
that's
not
an
excuse
for
me,
not
knowing
the
answer.
The
second
one
is,
it's
a
lot
more
complicated
and
we
really
need
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
the
service
level
is
and
what
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
from
a
Parks
facility
standpoint.
This
is
a
bit
of
an
aside,
but
planning
is
actually
engaged
in
a
master
planning,
effort
with
parks
and
waterways.
J
To
do
a
look
across
the
county
is:
what
do
we
need
for
Park
spaces?
What
do
we
need
for
trailheads
paths,
so
I?
Think
after
we
get
that
Master
planning
effort
completed,
it
would
probably
be
a
great
time
to
consider
an
impact
fee
for
parks
in
Ada
County,
but
it
just
kind
of
came.
Everyone
came
to
the
realization
that
we
weren't
quite
ready
to
figure
out
what
that
fee
needed
to
be,
and
we
didn't
want
to
hold
everything
else
up.
While
we
tried
to
figure
that
out
so.
K
A
K
So
on
these
impact
fees,
would
this
be
collected
from
the
developer,
or
would
this
be
collected
from
the
Builder
as
he
goes
into
after
he
purchased
a
lot
and
starts
getting
his
building
permit?
How
do
you
guys
yeah.
J
We
checked
we
collected
at
the
time
of
permit
being
issued
or
picked
up,
so
whoever.
J
For
that
permit,
yeah
yeah,
that's
the
simple
answer:
yeah
all
right.
A
S
My
name
is
Gary
Briggs
I
live
at
9000,
West,
kuna,
Road
and
I
didn't
come
here
to
talk
about
this,
but
sixteen
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
I,
don't
think
that's
anywhere
near
what
we
should
be.
Impact
fees
should
be
to
cover
all
the
roads
and
schools
and
all
the
other
stuff
that
we're
getting
so
far
behind
on
an
Ada
County,
the
traffic
jams
and
we
just
they're
putting
all
these
houses
in
on
two
lane
roads
and
then
expecting
people
to
get
to
and
from
work.
You
know
conveniently
I
know.
S
Ada
County
or
the
city
of
Boise
recently
has
heard
about
where
they're
not
going
to
let
new
fast
food.
Restaurants
have
drive-throughs
because
they're
concerned
about
the
cars
idling
and
the
drive-through,
and
on
a
lot
of
these
roads
out
south
of
Boise
you've
got
thousands
of
cars
just
putting
along
idling.
You
know
it's
we
need
to.
We
need
to
make
sure
what
what
the
the
needs
that
this
is
going
to
create
for
the
valley
they
they
pay
for
it
up
front,
I,
I,
just
think
that's
ridiculously
low
impact
fee.
Thank
you.
R
If
staff
knows
roughly
how
long
it's
going
to
take
to
work
through
the
impact
fee
that
would
apply
to
Parks,
I
I
would
encourage,
as
a
gentleman
just
stated,
I
mean
impact
fees
have
been
around
for
Parks
a
long
long
time
and
because
we're
getting
into
an
area
where
growth
is
occurring
everywhere
in
Ada
County.
If,
if
that
could
be
added
to
the
process
where
you
have
an
impact
fee
for
Parks
again,
it's
passed
on
to
the
the
person
that
buys
the
lot
and
and
I
just
read
where
we're
the
you
know.
R
City
of
Boise
is
the
10th
fastest
growing
city.
Now
I
mean
it's
recorded
there
and
I
mean
it's:
it's
not
just
Boise.
It's
certainly
the
entire
Ada
County,
whatever
kind
of
additional
fees
that
can
be
tacked
on
to
people
coming
in
for
new
building
I
think
is
it's
certainly
reasonable.
This
is
not
a
one
idea,
location
for
impact
fees,
so
if
staff
knows
how
long
it
would
take,
maybe
maybe
to
pull
it
into
this
process
now,
rather
than
you
know,
months
later,
I
mean
when
building
starts
happening.
R
A
You
thank
you
very
much
for
your
comments.
Anybody
else,
so
we're
going
to
go
back
to
questions
or
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
talk
about
that.
This
is
just
a
component
of
the
total
fees
for
people
that
are
in
cities.
Yeah.
J
Chairman,
commissioner,
so
to
address
the
first
gentleman's
comments:
the
discussion
about
roadways,
that
is,
a
highway
district
impact
fee.
Those
are
already
being
collected
across
the
county.
I
think
they
have
just
revised
their
impacting
schedule.
Recently,
the
trend
has
been
a
lot
of
jurisdictions,
increasing
fees,
we're
trying
to
get
ours
established
now
and
then
we'll
increase
them.
But
these
don't
concern
roadways.
They
don't
concern
schools.
They
are
specific
to
the
sheriff
the
jail,
the
paramedics
in
the
corner,
because
those
are
Services,
Ada
County,
provides.
J
We
can't
collect
impact
fees
for
services,
we
don't
provide
that's
up
to
the
the
highway
district
or
or
the
city
for
Parks
or
things
like
that
to
address
Mrs
Berman
Solo's
comments
about
Parks
I
think
we
are
going
to
be
looking
into
that
I
think
that's
a
very
real
thing
that
could
happen.
It
was
something
that
we
talked
about
at
the
beginning
of
this
project.
J
Unfortunately,
we
don't
have
a
CIP
developed
for
Parks
right
now
and
a
big
reason
is
we
don't
have
a
master
plan,
that's
up
to
date
for
Parks,
so
we
need
that
first
to
then
figure
out
what
facilities
are
needed.
So
then
we
can
start
figuring
out
what
the
cost
of
that
is,
which
then
translates
into
this
fee
schedule
over
here.
So
I
do
see
it
as
something
we
look
at
and
and
probably
take
on.
As
soon
as
we
can
I
will
say,
we've
been
working
on
this
since
2020
sorry
I
almost
said
2000.
J
That
would
be
really
embarrassing.
2020.
and
it's
it's
been
a
haul
and
you
know
covet
didn't
help
us
out.
Elections
didn't
help
us
out.
There's
just
been
a
lot
of
hey
I.
Think
I've
had
this
conversation
with
you
three
times
already,
but
let's
have
one
more
time
about
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
impact
fees.
So
it's
not
a
fast-moving
thing,
unfortunately,
but
it
is
something
that
we
want
to
do
for
Parks
I.
J
Think
our
Parks
director
is
very
interested
in
that
and
I
do
see
it
happening,
but
certainly
don't
want
to
pause
on
all
of
these
now
to
try
to
get
that
done.
Just
given
the
reality
of
the
timeline
it
takes
so
and
oh
I
did
want
to
also
enter
into
the
record,
an
additional
exhibit
that
wasn't
provided
to
you,
but
was
kind
of
an
important
initial
step
in
this
process.
It
was
the
initial
feasibility
feasibility
analysis
report
where
we
looked
at
all
of
these
things.
Parks
is
actually
included
in
here.
So
it's
some
interesting
reading.
J
This
information
is
built
into
the
CIP,
so
you
do
technically
have
it
in
front
of
you,
but
this
was
kind
of
the
let's
look
at
this
and
figure
out.
What's
possible
and
I
just
think
it's
a
good
document
to
have
in
the
record
we'll
certainly
talk
about
it
with
the
board
at
the
next
step.
But
again
it
was
accounted
for
in
the
cips,
but
I
thought
it
would
be.
One
more
exhibit
to
include
in
the
record
so.
B
B
Chair,
yes,
so
two
questions,
one.
You
mentioned
that
the
county
is
required
to
update
the
cips
every
five
years
correct,
but
that
doesn't
stop
you
from
let's
say
three
months
from
now.
If
you
magically
have
the
parks
to
figure
it
out
that
fast
right
from
going
back
in
and
updating
it,
assuming
this
all
Works
through
the
way
it
needs
to
correct
yeah.
J
German
construction:
that's
right!
We
could
go
back
and
visit
this
in
three
months.
I
think
that'd
be
pretty
silly.
We'd,
look
pretty
yeah,
you
know,
like
hey,
guys,
sorry
we're
only
joking.
It's
going
to
be
this
view.
Now
we
you
know,
but
you
can
do
it.
You
know
within
a
year
within
two
years,
when
it
makes
sense,
I
I
can
tell
you
a
lot
of
work
went
into
the
CIP,
so
we
feel
pretty
confident
about
these
numbers
right
now,
yeah,
but
yeah.
It's
a
minimum
of
every
five
years.
B
J
Per
dwelling
unit
I
believe
that's
how
we're
accounting
for
it.
Here
we
don't
differentiate
like
other
jurisdictions,
between
a
single
family,
home
and
an
apartment
unit,
so
it
is
considered
a
residential
unit
and
so
per
our
fee
schedule
would
be
charging
per
the
unit
within
the
building,
not
necessarily
the
commercial
square
footage
of
the
building.
Okay,
so
but
yeah
there
is
an
opportunity
to
collect
these
for
the
multi-family
stuff
that
you're
reviewing
on
occasion.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Any
questions
I'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
look
for
a
motion
from
one
of
the
commissioners.
Commissioner,.
H
I
I
C
Sure
I
I
agree
with
commissioner
Burge
that
I
I
appreciate
the
staff
coming
forward
with
trying
to
not
necessarily
make
the
perfect
product
but
moving
us
forward,
and
this
is
a
long
time
coming
and
you
don't
want
to
have
no
plan,
no
fees
when
you're
trying
to
wait
for
the
perfect
plan
with
the
perfect
fees.
So
at
least
we're
taking
some
step.
I
appreciate
the
comments
coming
from
the
audience
because
we
all
are
concerned
about
the
parks
and
things
like
that.
C
K
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
going
in
and
analyzing
it
as
well,
as
you
guys
did,
because
you,
you
could
of
course
ask
for
quite
a
bit
more,
but
I
I
I'm
glad
to
see
that,
especially
where
the
housing
Market's
going
and
stuff
like
that,
adding
those
fees
and
stuff
extra
on
there
I
get
your
guys
aside
for
sure
and
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
time,
but
I
appreciate
you
guys
going
in
and
analyzing
it
so
well
to
coming
up
with
that
fair
number.
In
my
opinion,.
A
Thank
you
any
more
questions,
so
look
to
the
Commissioners
for
a
motion
to
we'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
they'll
look
to
the
Commissioners
for.
A
A
Okay,
we'll
call
it
good
I'm
going
to
take
just
a
five
minute
recess
and
we'll
be
back
at
you
know:
7
26.
D
A
Ncp,
a
PC
CPA
spring
Rock
Development
before
we
get
into
the
project,
I'll
disclose
that
I
live
in
Kuna,
so
I'm
going
to
know
some
of
the
people
that
are
involved
in
this.
But
it's
not
going
to
impact
my
my
decision
tonight
and
I
happen
to
be
at
the
kuna
city
council
meeting
Tuesday
night
this
week,
where
this
project
was
mentioned.
But
that's
not
going
to
impact
my
my
decision
tonight.
I
just
want
to
disclose
that
I
had
other
information
before
I
came
here,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
Brent.
Q
The
plant
Community
application
process
requires
two
steps:
the
first
being
a
comprehensive
plan,
amendment
to
designate
the
property
as
planned
community
on
the
future
land
use
map
and
adopt
a
comprehensive
plan
for
the
site.
The
Second
Step.
The
implementation
plan
would
adopt
a
zoning
map
and
ordinance
for
the
property
and
include
more
detailed
information
regarding
financing
phasing
and
Design.
The
intent
of
requiring
two
steps
is
to
First
determine
the
overall
compatibility
of
the
site
and
proposed
plan
prior
to
developing
the
zoning
ordinance
and
specific
design
details.
Q
So
this
diagram
just
shows
the
the
General
application
steps
for
each
process
so
highlighted
in
yellow
we're
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
for
step
one
after
your
recommendation.
It
will
go
to
the
board
and,
if
approved,
they
would
start
the
process
over
again
for
the
implementation
plan.
So
it
would
come
before
you
again.
A
second
time,
if
approved
prior
to
the
application
being
submitted.
Q
Here's
a
closer
look
at
the
property,
just
some
things
to
Note
10
Mile
Creek
does
run
Northwest
across
the
property
towards
the
New
York
Canal.
It
is
an
ephemeral
stream
generally
just
contains
water
during
periods
of
snow
melt
or
heavy
rain.
Then
New
York
Canal,
as
mentioned,
does
about
the
property
to
the
northwest.
Q
There's
also
a
bench
slope
here,
just
to
note
across
the
southern
part
of
the
property,
which
will
largely
remain
undeveloped
and
then
there's
the
Falcon
Crest
golf
course.
As
you
can
see,
it
butts
the
site
directly
to
the
West
and
there's
also
a
master
plan.
Community,
as
you
can
see,
being
developed
on
that
property,
The
Valor
master
plan,
Community
was
the
Falcon
Crest
Master
playing
Community
as
currently
under
construction,
and
that
would
include
over
2
300
homes
when
it's
complete
and
just
for
reference.
Q
Here's
the
site
plan
for
that
Community,
which
would
have,
but
this
property
directly
to
the
west,
and
they
would
be
connected
by
a
new
collector
roadway
here,
north
of
kuna
Road
and
here's
an
image
just
highlighting
some
other
similar
proposed
planned
communities
in
the
area
and
employment.
Centers.
Q
Just
Again
The
Valor
master
plan
Community,
which
touches
the
property
Mario
Farms,
is
currently
under
review
with
the
city
of
Boise.
It
would
include
over
3
400
homes
and
then
there's
the
Locale
plan
Community
currently
under
construction
in
Boise,
approximately
2
000
homes
and
then
just
showing
some
of
the
employment
areas
that
are
kind
of
growing
out
in
this
part
of
the
county.
Q
The
comprehensive
plan
calls
for
a
variety
of
housing
types
and
sizes
available
to
own
and
rent
and
encourages
affordable
housing
and
accessory
dwelling
units
in
order
to
accommodate
a
wide
range
of
needs.
A
plant
also
encourages
home
offices,
home
occupations
and
envisions
the
commercial
areas
ultimately
being
able
to
provide
the
primary
daily
needs
of
residents.
Q
Two
elementary
schools
are
proposed
on
land
to
be
dedicated
to
the
Cuna
and
West
Ada
School
districts.
Those
are
the
the
areas
shaded
purple
here.
Each
site
would
be
10
acres
in
size
and
amenities.
I
would
include
a
community
center,
a
30
acre
Park,
a
pond
dog
park
and
various
small
neighborhood
parks
and
playgrounds.
Q
The
community
will
be
connected
by
a
multi-use
pathway
which
will
extend
the
length
of
the
site
along
the
channel
of
Ten
Mile
Creek.
You
can
see
that
here
just
this
green
line
running
across
the
site
to
towards
the
New
York
canal,
Pathways
will
also
be
provided
along
the
New
York
Canal
within
the
bench
slopes
and
other
areas
throughout
the
community
to
reduce
the
need
for
vehicle
travel
interior
to
the
site
and,
as
noted
earlier,
10
Mile
Creek
crosses
the
site.
Q
The
sewer
would
be
provided
by
an
on-site
wastewater
treatment
facility.
Potable
water
will
be
provided
by
violia
from
existing
off-site
Wells
and
irrigation.
Water
will
be
provided
from
on-site
Wells
as
well
as
treated
water
from
the
wastewater
treatment
facility
and
spring
rock
is
also
looking
at
the
feasibility
of
potentially
injecting
excess
water
from
the
wastewater
treatment
facility
into
the
aquifer
when
not
needed
for
irrigation
and
then
regarding
roadway
improvements.
Q
A
five
mile
road
would
be
extended.
All
the
Way
South
through
the
property
and,
as
mentioned
there'd,
be
a
new
collector
roadway,
which
would
tie
it
to
the
The
Valor
master
plan
Community
to
the
West.
That
would
be
a
new
roundabout
at
the
intersection
of
Five
Mile
Road
and
10
Mile
Creek
Road,
as
well
as
another
collector
roadway
here,
connecting
10
mile
to
Five
Mile
and
the
extension
of
Maple
Grove
Road
from
10
Mile
Creek
Road
to
the
south
end
of
the
property.
A
D
Q
Some
concerning
comments
have
been
expressed
regarding
a
portion
of
the
site
being
designated
as
Prime
Farmland,
so
this
map
on
the
left
shows
that
the
dark
green
areas
are
prime
Farmland
designated
by
the
U.S
department
of
Agriculture,
lighter
green
or
state
designated
lens.
So
you'll
see
there
is
some
prime
farmland
showing
along
10
Mile
Creek,
as
it
goes
through
the
property.
Q
Q
Regarding
Emergency
Services,
fire
protection
will
be
provided
by
the
kuna
fire
district.
The
applicant
has
reached
a
preliminary
funding
agreement
with
the
district
in
which
the
applicant
would
prepay
all
fire
impact
fees
for
the
development
up
front
in
order
to
construct
a
new
fire
station
on
property.
The
district
owns
near
the
site
on
Cloverdale
Road,
as
that's
on
the
very
bottom
left
of
the
screen.
You'll
see
the
property,
the
fire
district
owns
and
additional
contributions
would
also
be
made
following
approval
of
the
first
final
plat
to
cover
operational
costs.
Q
Q
So
as
detailed
in
the
findings
of
facts,
the
proposed
comprehensive
plan
and
Associated
materials
have
been
found
to
meet
the
required
findings
of
the
Ada
County
code
and,
as
such,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
application.
This
concludes
my
presentation
and
I
will
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank.
C
Madam,
chair
I,
just
have
a
question:
is
there
it
just
in
your
discussions
with
achg
any
plan
to
extend
coal
and
Maple
Grove,
so
they
connect,
or
is
it
all
going
to
be
reliant
on
Five
Mile,
for
this
is
Five
Mile
going
to
be
the
main
artery
into
this
Five
Mile
in
Pleasant
Valley.
It
looks.
Q
Like
Madam
chair,
commissioner
Scott
this
yeah,
this
shows
kind
of
the
roadway
segments
in
their
sections
which
we're
going
to
be
primarily
impacted
by
the
development.
So
it
does.
Achd's
report
does
mention
a
lot
of
the
traffic
yeah
coming
along
Five
Mile
and
a
long.
Q
Sorry,
yeah
Cloverdale,
I'm,
sorry,
Cloverdale,
Pleasant,
Valley,
Road,
10,
Mile,
Creek
Road.
So
these
are
all
potential
segments
and
Inter
sections
which
could
need
improvements
to
be
mitigated.
But
yeah
there
hasn't
been
discussion
of
Coal
Road
being
extended
as
part
of
this.
They
will
improve
the
portion
of
coal
road
which
abuts
the
property,
which
is
not
much.
The
applicant
may
have
more
information
on
this,
but
these
are
kind
of
the
areas
that
were
seen
to
be
most
impacted.
D
I
C
D
C
I
I
Right,
yeah
you're
going
south
you're
not
going
north
and
then
so
your
way
is
out
of
the
project
are
not
going
to
be
going
north,
correct,
they're,
going
to
be
going
east,
west
or
south
to
cunamora,
because
10
Mile
Creek
Road
I
mean
it
is
a
windy,
narrow
road
with
some
drop-offs
on
the
side
when
you're
coming
from
Pleasant
Valley
heading
over
to
where
Cole
Road
is
where
this
development's
going
to
stop.
What's
planned
for
10
Mile,
Creek,
Road,.
Q
Yeah
Madam
chair
commissioner
verch
they're
10
Mile
Creek
Road
will
be
improved
as
part
of
this
project.
They
would
widen
portions
of
the
of
the
roadway
and
then
when
they
submit
their
first
preliminary
plat
achd
would
look
at
what
mitigation
efforts
would
be
necessary,
and
so
that
could
be
part
of
once
they
submit
a
plot.
We'd
know
for
sure
which
improvements
they
would
be
required
to
make,
but
it
could
be
improvements
to
10
Mile
Creek
Grill.
Q
Those
improvements
are
envisioned
eventually,
but
achd
said
it
will
depend
exactly
how
many
units
are
proposed
with
the
plat.
At
that
time,
they'll
look
at
which
surrounding
roadways
would
need
to
be
improved
and
then
the
applicant
would
be
responsible
for
those
but
yeah.
Eventually
10
Mile
Creek
is
envisioned
to
be
improved
as
part
of
this.
So.
I
Q
Madam
chair,
commissioner
Birch,
that's
correct,
potentially
achd
can
require
improvements
that
are
off-site
if
they
feel
impact
would
require
some
mitigation.
Thank
you.
C
I'm
sure
I
I
saw
that
you
spoke
on
elementary
schools.
Would
is
there
any
plan
for
any
high
schools
or
middle
schools?
Because
if
my
memory
serves
me,
the
nearest
one
would
be
quinoa,
High,
Borah
and
Mountain
View,
which
are
all
really
far
from
this.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
any
input
on
schools
outside
of
just
us,
high
schools,
I
think
Lake,
Hazel
and
cune,
or
whatever
have
middle
schools
too.
So
any
input
on
that
potentially.
Q
Madam
chair
commissioner
Scott
yeah.
Currently
the
plans
would
just
be
for
elementary
schools
on
site.
They
have
spoken
with
the
school
districts
and
that
would
be
their
primary
focus,
but
you
are
correct
and
that
the
nearest
middle
school
and
high
school
are
a
little
ways
away,
so
it
at
this
time
those
students
would
need
to
be
bussed
and
unless
something
was
built
sooner
closer.
What.
C
Q
Q
Chair
commissioner,
Scott
I,
intended
to
be
yeah
kind
of
retail
type
uses
that
say
resonance
could
walk
too
easily
accessible
by
by
the
nearby
residents.
Applicant
could
explain
a
little
okay,
maybe
some
more
specifics,
but
yeah
just
intended
to
be
commercial
areas
that
serve
the
kind
of
General
neighborhood
surrounding
area,
not
like
Regional,
commercial
but
more
neighborhood,
commercial.
Sorry.
A
Commissioner
Coulson
any
questions
just
want
to
clarify
that
when
you
talk
about
the
achd
requiring
off-site
improvements
to
the
other
intersections.
Is
that,
in
addition
to
the
impact
fees,
or
is
that,
instead
of
the
impact
fees.
Q
Madam
chair
a
applicant
may
be
able
to
answer
that
a
little
better
on
if
the
impact,
because
normally
they
would
be
charged
in
fact
fees
but
I'm,
not
sure.
If
achd
has
that
agreement
to
require
offside
impacts
and
in
lieu
of
impact,
these
applicant
may
be
able
to.
Q
A
Madam
chair
in
the
that
would
be
part
of
the
implementation
plan,
so
it's
part
of
the
second
phase
of
the
application.
There
are
service
level
standards,
specific
service
level
standards
and
yes,
some
of
those
do
get
into
developed
acreage
of
developed,
open
space,
natural
open
space,
so
they
mentioned
they
may
plan
to
request
an
exception
in
the
implementation
phase.
Q
I
believe
to
the
Natural
open
space
is
because
they'll
be
doing
extra
developed,
open
space,
because
our
other
planned
communities
have
kind
of
been
up
in
the
Foothills,
where
it's
been
easy
to
donate
open
space,
but
here
it's
they
don't
there's
kind
of
less
to
that
unusable
land.
So,
but
that
would
be
as
part
of
the
second
phase
of
the
application,
the
implementation
plans
where
they
would
specifically
request
that,
so
it
wouldn't
be
requested
at
this.
At
this
stage,.
A
So
next
question
is:
would
it
be
appropriate
for
us
to
make
ask
some
questions
or
make
some
comments
about
that,
even
though
it
isn't
part
of
our.
A
Is
that
our
to
provide
your
provide
your
comments
and
then
just
to
let
everybody
in
the
room
know
the
applicant
goes
first
and
they
give
us
their
comments
and
then
we
open
the
public
hearing
for
people
who
have
signed
up
I've
got
four
people
signed
up
and
then
we'll
let
other
people
in
the
room
talk
each
for
three
minutes
a
piece
and
then
we'll
go
back
and
ask
more
questions
of
staff
and
then
we'll
come
back
and
let
the
applicant
provide
a
short
rebuttal.
So
that's
kind
of
how
the
process
goes.
T
You're
welcome.
Thank
you.
Commissioners
they're
loading
in
my
PowerPoint
presentation,
so
I'll
just
give
my
name
and
address
for
the
record
for
introductions.
Dave
jorgeson.
The
address
is
14254
West,
battenberg
Drive
in
Boise,
and
really
pleased
to
be
with
you
tonight.
We've
spent
a
lot
of
time
to
get
to
this
point
and
a
very
thrilled
to
answer
all
the
questions
you
have.
T
We
absolutely
really
appreciate
the
question
so
far,
so
with
that
I'm
going
to
try
to
click
and
run
at
the
same
time
here
so
I
will
do
a
quick
introduction
of
our
team
I've
been
in
the
land
development
business
for
over
25
years
here
locally
and
a
second
generation
land
developer.
A
couple
of
my
teammates
or
my
partners,
Chris
Finley
and
Pat
dunslogger
are
both
Partners
here
and
long-term
Professionals
in
the
in
the
real
estate
community
and
appreciate
their
inputs.
T
Also,
we
have
Jeff
Bowers
from
Gibbons
personally,
as
well
as
Anna
canning
who's,
not
here
but
listening,
and
she
is
our
planner
and
she's
been
excellent
as
well
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
a
quick
overview
of
the
site,
the
application,
detailsman
staff
report
and
run
this
right.
Here
we
go
so
as
mentioned
by
staff
and
if
I
see
some
things
I'm
going
to
Quick
through
kind
of
fast,
so
I
don't
want
to
over
duplicate
things.
But
I
will
pause
and
ask
for
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
as
well.
T
So
the
site
is
approximately
762
acres
in
size.
We
are
south
of
Boise
east
of
kuna,
as
mentioned
we're
adjacent
to
the
Falcon
Crest
Golf
Course
adjacent
to
the
recently
approved
Valor
subdivision.
That's
the
plan
and
community
in
within
kuna,
and
we
have
close
proximity
to
Urban
centers
or
excuse
me,
employment,
centers
and
work
areas.
Both
The
Meta
project,
as
we
know,
which
is
close
by
as
well
as
by
the
Micron,
is
maybe
15
minutes
away.
The
Boise
Airport
is
also
less
than
15
minutes
away.
So
we
recognize
our
proximity.
T
What's
also
unique
is
we
are
not
within
any
City
area
of
impact
which
allows
us
to
be
a
plant
Community,
which
is
kind
of
a
unique
part
of
the
process.
I
want
to
highlight
some
topography
things
just
for
clarity.
Happy
to
answer
your
questions
was
referenced.
The
red
areas
that
she
you
see
on
the
plan
are
the
steep
slopes.
There's
a
high
pressure
gas
line
with
Williams
gas
line
that
runs
diagonally
through
the
site.
That's
the
Orange
Lines,
you
see
on
the
plan.
T
There's
some
gray
lines
run
horizontally
across
those
are
idle
power,
transmission
lines
and
also
the
flood
plain
has
been
discussed.
The
runs
through
the
middle
of
the
site,
all
of
which
are
being
considered
in
this
factors
of
this
design.
For
this
application
staff
really
went
through
and
did
a
great
job
articulating
the
process.
It
really
is
a
a
long
two-step
process.
First
is
the
comprehensive
plan
map
and
text
Amendment,
which
is
what
we
have
in
front
of
you
tonight.
That's
all
we're
talking
about
is
the
comprehensive
plan
map
and
text.
T
There
are
a
lot
of
details,
of
which
I
can
share
a
lot
of
answers
to
you.
Now,
and
depending
upon
the
outcomes
here,
we'll
have
another
bite
at
the
Apple.
If
you
will
we'll
have
a
primary
plat,
achd
will
have
strong
conditions,
approval
based
on
the
already
approved
traffic
impact
study
all
through
the
implementation
phase.
We'll
have
multiple
preliminary
plots
and
each
of
those
will
have
conditions
approval
based
on
the
traffic
impact
studies
for
the
site.
T
So,
as
was
mentioned
by
staff,
there
are
several
Studies
have
been
performed
for
this
development.
I
won't
list
them
all
just
for
the
sake
of
time,
but
each
one
of
these
reports
provides
requirements
and
Analysis.
As
this
planned
Community
moves
forward
and
that's
kind
of
the
Crux,
the
whole
thing
it
provides
goals
and
policies
and
then
in
implementations
strategies,
if
you
will
for
each
of
these
areas,
which
is
what's
then
called
the
the
the
plant
Community
sub
area
plan.
And
so
what
is
the
plans?
The
Subaru
plan
look
like
here.
T
T
T
A
variety
of
housing
types,
not
just
one:
we'll
have
Town
Homes,
we'll,
have
single
family
attached
and
detached
homes
for
sale
for
rent
product,
which
is
really
critical,
because
we
know
there's
a
significant
need
in
this
community
for
a
variety
of
housing
type,
and
this
will
help
meet
that
need,
but
it
all
is
tied
together
with
the
central
Urban
plan
or
Urban
Village,
a
community
center
in
the
middle
I'll,
just
kind
of
touch
on
that.
So
here's
you
look
on
the
location
of
the
site.
T
The
center
part
of
it
is
the
urban
center
there'll
be
a
community
center
where
people
can
come
together
and
gather,
there's
going
to
be
a
large
part,
A
30-acre,
Plus,
Regional
Park,
we
built
by
us
there's
a
large
pathway
trail
running
through
the
middle
of
it,
we'll
have,
which
is
over
two
miles
long.
As
mentioned,
we'll
have
a
through
our
reconstruction
of
the
10
Mile
Creek,
we'll
have
a
nice
Waterway
along
the
pathway,
so
it'll
be
a
nice
amenity
through
the
community.
It
all
gets
kind
of
tied
together
with
a
big
vision
in
mind.
T
Again
we're
adjacent
to
Falcon,
Crest
golf
course,
as
you
can
see
there
also
interesting
is
they
will
be
providing
be
providing
five
mile
from
Kuna
road
to
our
South
border
and
then
we'll
be
tying
into
the
Five
Mile
Road
and
running
it
North
to
to
the
10
Mile
Creek
or
Hubbard
Road.
So
it's
a
connection
of
the
roads
as
planned
for
by
achd
phase
two
of
the
or
chapter
two
is
the
community
connections?
T
It's
not
it's
not
just
about
internal,
but
it's
the
external
Community
connections
within
the
community,
for
the
roads,
the
pedestrians
bike,
Pathways
utilities
and
services
and
so
forth.
Again,
goals,
policies
and
implementation
strategies
for
each
chapter.
3
is
about
coordinated
growths,
so
we
work
with
utilities.
The
gas
company,
the
power
company
schools
or
two
school
districts.
T
Bottom
line
is
it
we
will
be
tied
to
and
obligated
to
ensure
the
growth
pays
for
growth
growth
pays
for
itself.
You
just
heard
a
presentation.
The
application
before
and
I
didn't
want
to
confuse
it,
but
two
of
us
on
this
on
a
committee
as
team
here
are
actually
serving
on
your
development
impact
fee
advisory
committee.
We
support
impact
fees.
We
absolutely
support.
T
In
fact,
I
also
serve
on
Boise
City's
impact
fee
advisory
committee
for
almost
10
years,
very
familiar
with
the
process
and
the
need
to
have
impact
fees
to
make
sure
growth
pays
for
girls
and
support
that
process.
There
will
be
substantial
on-site
and
off-site
improvements
and
I'll
have
to
address
answer.
Those
questions,
as
were
raised
previously.
T
Chapter
four
is
about
a
sustainable
practices
and
resiliency,
so
we
have
affordable
housing.
We
want
to
just
not
just
think
about
today's
developments
of
the
21st
century,
but
also
think
about
the
22nd
century,
40
50
80
years
from
now.
We
know
that,
through
after
covid,
a
lot
of
people
like
to
work
from
home,
more
so
than
you
before.
We
have
to
have
Broadband
services
to
take
care
of
that
at
least
address.
Some
of
those
needs
trip
captures
consideration.
T
Electric
vehicle
charging
stations,
solar
panels,
sewage
treatment,
as
mentioned
we'll,
have
an
on-site
sewage
treatment
facility
that
will
be.
Our
plan
is
a
class
A
facility
of
which
the
facility
plan's
already
been
approved
by
DEQ,
so
we'll
go
through
that
entire
process
to
make
sure
we're
doing
it
in
the
right
way:
pressurized
irrigation
water,
reuse,
conservation,
again,
goals,
policies,
implementation
strategies
will
come
forward
in
the
next
phase
as
well
and
then
chapter
five
is
to
make
sure
we
comply
with
State
codes.
T
So,
as
was
mentioned
by
staff
and
I
won't
go
through
all
these,
but
I'll
just
highlight
a
couple.
The
Ada
County
code
requires
we
meet
every
one
of
these
standards
to
make
sure
that
we
we
comply
to
to
the
comprehensive
plan
changes
and
for
plant
Community.
For
example,
under
transportation
we've
already
submitted
traffic
impact
City
to
HD,
it's
been
adopted
by
achd
approved
by
ADHD
and
then,
as
we
roll
forward
with
the
primary
plots,
we
will
have
specific
site
specific
and
off-site
Road.
T
Improvements
is
required
for
this
development
per
that
traffic
impact
study
was
mentioned.
The
water
I'll
pick
that
one.
For
example,
we
are
in
violia,
formerly
known
as
Suez
we're
in
violia
waters,
certificated
area
with
Department
Water
Resources,
it's
sort
of
been
planned
to
be
served
by
them.
The
we
will
have
two
points
of
connections
north
of
us,
one
about
a
mile,
the
other
one
about
to
the
north
Northeast
about
almost
two
miles
to
the
northeast
of
us
and
we'll
then
be
tying
into
their
network
of
multiple
Wells
that
already
existing.
T
So
no
new
wells
will
be
drilled
for
this
site.
It's
already
been
planned
for
to
serve
this
area.
The
irrigation
water
has
already
been
used,
as
I
mentioned
for,
and
we
have
two
on-site
Wells
for
the
site
and
we'll
just
use
those
con
for
our
common
areas.
So
it
will
be
some
efficiencies
there
with
violia
versus
the
versus
our
water.
For
for
surface
water.
T
Let
me
touch
on
law
enforcement,
fire
protection,
paramedics,
I
think,
that's
really
important
to
know.
We
understand
that
some
of
the
needs
in
this
area
are
today
and
cunifier
is
one
of
them.
Cuna
only
has
one
fire
station,
they
need
maybe
three
actually,
by
the
way
they've
been
growing.
T
But,
but
that's
just
the
first
part,
then
they
need
to
have
firefighters
and
we've
agreed
to
help
pay
for
some
firefighters
until
we
have
a
tax
base
that
will
help
sustain
that
going
forward.
Likewise,
law
enforcement
with
Ada,
County,
Sheriff
and
paramedics.
Radio
counter
paramedics
will
have
a
similar
structure
with
them,
probably
a
shared
facility.
Actually
that's
what
we're
discussing
with
all
three
agencies
is
to
have
a
shared
facility
very
similar
to
what
they
do
in
the
eagle
with
with
the
fire
and
with
Sheriff
over
there.
T
Lastly,
as
we
mentioned
the
open
space,
we
will
be.
We
recognize
it's
a
later
time,
but
we,
our
plan,
is
not
to
be
short
on
open
space,
but
rather
have
more
improved
open
space.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
unique
site
where
we're
trying
to
Cluster
the
units
and
have
more
developed
open
space,
and
that
that
is
our
plan
is
not
to
just
be
short,
but
rather
have
more
developed,
open
space,
which
would
be
more
usable
for
the
residents
developed,
open
space,
multi-family
housing
schools,
mixed-use
mix
of
uses.
T
So
let
me
just
jump
to
that
one
here:
employment
to
walkability
trip
capture.
These
are
all
things
which
will
be
exceeding
the
standards
as
well
within
the
Ada
County's
codes.
So
you
asked
about
process.
We
had
neighbor
meetings.
We
also
had
two
scoping
meetings.
One
was
specific
for
traffic,
the
other
was
for
all
other
agencies.
Then
we
had
follow-up
meetings
with
a
lot
of
them
as
well
just
to
seek
to
understand
their
their
needs
and
incorporate
them
into
our
plan.
T
With
these
meetings,
we
had
lots
of
discussion
of
support,
neutral
and
opposition.
A
lot
of
the
comments
of
support
range
from.
We
appreciate
the
vision,
the
mix
of
Housing
and
commercial
that
you're
providing
the
variety
of
homes,
the
amenities
we
provided,
and
the
fact
that
growth
will
be
paying
for
itself
with
this
development
questions
and
concerns,
we
recognize
those
two
sewer
traffic
water
schools,
we're
the
four
primary
areas
of
concern.
T
I
think
I've
addressed
those
already
in
my
presentation,
but
happy
to
answer
your
questions
again,
we'll
be
donating
a
couple
School
sites
we
work
with
the
schools,
they
tell
us
what
they
need.
We
don't
tell
the
schools
what
to
do
and
they've
dictated
what
their
plans
are
for
the
area
and
then
we're
helping
meet
those
plans
and
again
there's
letters
from
all
these
agencies
to
with
regard
to
our
application,
we
recognize
city
of
Boise
did
submit
a
letter,
call
it
a
letter
of
opposition.
T
They
stated
a
list
of
concerns,
I
guess
I
would
say
a
couple
things
to
that.
One
is
their
comments,
were
maybe
misunderstanding.
A
little
bit
of
the
facts.
Acc
has
reviewed
the
scope
of
this
project.
Staff
identified
I
think
there's
over
17
intersections
in
multiple
Lanes
of
traffic,
all
of
which
have
been
studied
and
will
continue
to
be
studied
with
this
application.
This
is
again
the
very
early
part
of
the
process.
T
This
is
not
prime
Farmland
has
been
identified
by
staff.
We
recognize
the
offsite
improvements
we'll
be
doing
for,
and
the
onsite
for
the
sewer
as
well
so
staff.
We
appreciate
your
recognition
there.
What
was
interesting
to
me
in
addition
to
that
with
city
of
kuna,
actually
submit
a
letter
of
support
for
this
application.
They
acknowledge
this
does
fit
adjacent
to
the
application.
T
It's
complements
the
the
recently
approved
developments
in
the
area,
both
in
the
county
and
as
well
as
in
the
city
of
kuna,
but
we
are
again
outside
the
area
of
impact
of
kuna,
and
this
is
better
served
as
a
plant
community.
We
look
at
as
we
work
with
all
of
our
agencies
as
partners.
I
just
want
to
make
that
hopefully
clear
to
everybody.
That's
we're
really
taking
a
different
approach
here.
It's
not
just
come
forward
and
just
steamroll,
and
here
we
are
in
good
luck.
Neighbors
we're
from
here.
T
We
we
believe
in
supporting
our
community
and
being
proud
of
what
we're
done
with
when
we're
all
finished.
And
so
with
that
in
mind,
we
listen
to
the
app
to
the
agencies
and
and
try
to
meet
their
needs.
As
we
go
along
last
couple
comments
in
the
findings
of
your
report.
There
are
15
findings
listed
I,
believe
it's
on
page
17
of
the
finding
sheet
staff
can
clarify
that
sheet.
T
There
everyone
have
been
met,
they
address
future
housing
and
economic
needs,
educational
needs,
environment,
Recreation,
mix
of
land
uses
and
so
forth,
including
adequate
public
facilities.
Urban
Public
Services
it'll
be
done
in
a
phased
approach.
Obviously,
development
can't
put
all
the
things
in
at
once
before
you
start
having
a
little
bit
of
revenue
from
the
homes,
and
likewise
it's
not
right
for
us
to
have
all
the
homes
and
and
the
commercial
first
and
then
the
improvements
follow
later.
It
will
be
done
through
a
phase
approach.
Oops
I,
just
clicked
the
wrong
slide.
T
There
we
go
so.
In
conclusion,
I
would
just
like
to
thank
staff.
We've
worked
very
closely
with
them.
I
gathered
input,
their
comments,
their
critiques
or
whatever
may
have
been
to
make
sure
that
we've
completely
complied
with
with
what's
been
asked
of
us
here.
There
have
been
third
party
reviews,
not
just
Ada
County,
but
achd,
both
reached
out
and
had
a
third
party
consultant
review,
the
reports
that
were
submitted,
and
so
it's
been
reviewed
by
multiple
sets
of
eyes
and
we
do
comply
with
the
codes
and
ordinances
for
this
planned
Community.
T
This
will
be
a
quality
development
of
which
I
will
be
very
proud
of
a
legacy
type
development.
Something
I
want
to
do
my
entire
career
and
I'm
very,
very
excited
about
it.
With
that
in
mind,
there
will
be
an
implementation
of
phase
to
follow
it'll,
make
sure
that
we
do
what
we
say.
We
do
you'll
have
another
set
of
eyes
to
look
at
this
at
that
time.
T
A
You
what
questions
the
Commissioners
have.
A
Questions
I
I
wondered
if
you
could
explain
to
me
how
we
take
care
of
the
sewer
long
term,
because
you'll
develop
and
you're
going
to
develop
it
out
in
the
next
17
years.
So
say
that's
20
years
and
then
it
gets
turned
over
to
somebody
but
who's
going
to
make
sure
that
the
sewer
is
properly
funded
and
properly
operated.
Because
usually
we
have
City.
T
Madam
chair,
that's
a
great
question.
I
appreciate
you
asking
it
so
I
have
researched
the
other
planning
communities
in
our
Valley
and
we're
going
to
follow
the
avamor
and
the
Dry
Creek
model
who
actually,
when
they
first
built
it.
They
have
to
maintain
it
themselves,
meaning
not.
You
have
to
have
experts
who
are
in
that
field,
but
someone
has
to
finance
it,
build
it
and
kind
of
pay
for
it
as
you
go.
But
there
is
a
third
party
agency
that
is
their
expertise
and
so
I
know.
T
Avamor
has
sold
their
facility
to
that
management
company,
and
that
would
be
our
plan
again.
That's
the
implementation
phase,
meaning
I'll
call
it
phase
two
of
our
application.
You
will
see
that
when
I
bring
that
to
you
at
least
a
little
more
details
to
it,
but
that's
how
we
envision
doing
it
is
using
some
experts
in
the
field
for
both
the
technical
maintenance,
as
well
as
the
financing
long
term.
T
Now,
just
like
I'm,
a
resident
of
Boise
and
I
pay
a
what's
actually
bi-monthly,
but
I
pay
a
monthly
sewer
fee,
and
so
there's
not
just
sewer
hookups
that
the
builders
will
pay
nominal
or
nothing.
But
then
there's
the
the
ongoing
a
monthly
fee
to
take
care
of
the
processing
and
that's
how
it
is
done,
is
through
a
monthly
bill.
Just
just
like
I
do
in
the
city
of
Boise
or
you
might
in
the
city
of
Cuba.
I
T
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
Birch,
there
is
a
mix
and
let
me
break
it
down
in
a
couple
of
ways
for
you
so
because
it's
really
not
too
so
we
have
the
single
family
detached.
We
have
single
family
attached,
call
them
town,
homes
or
fourplexes.
If
you
will,
which
the
four
Plex
will
be
for
rent
the
town
homes
could
be
for
sale
or
for
rent
depending
upon
the
mix,
and
then
the
apartments
you're
saying
as
well
of
that
total
number
and
I
just
looked
it
up.
So
I
thought
that
question
might
be
coming
Apartments.
T
The
plan
number
is
250
doors
for
apartments.
The
number
of
single
family
obviously,
is
the
bulk
of
it.
Yeah
I,
don't
know
if
it's
1700,
but
something
kind
of
close
to
that,
and
then
the
the
balance
would
be
doing
a
rough
number
here,
but
between
five
and
seven
hundred
for
the
town
homes,
four
plexes.
So.
T
Madam,
chair
and
and
chairman
Birch,
the
single
family
detached
homes.
If
that's
okay,
I
want
to
go
back
to
this
slide,
to
show
you
a
picture
with
that
is.
D
T
T
And
chair
and
and
commissioner
Birch
again
that'll
be
a
mix
I.
One
of
the
things
to
note
is:
is
our
northwest
corner
where
a
five
mile
Hubbard
is
and
and
kind
of,
that's
where
our
first
phase
will
be
able
to
call
it
area
a
H
in
that
design.
I
think
we
had
three
different
product
types
and
we
have
some
that
are
maybe
six
to
eight
thousand
square
foot
Lots
again,
not
not
town
home
lots,
but
but
six
to
eight
thousand
those
could
be
a
production
Builder.
T
When
we've
reached
out
initially
to
a
group
of
Builders,
we
had
a
again
a
broad
mix
of
Builders,
and
that
is
Our
intention.
So
I
don't
see
this
as
one
Builder
building
at
all.
To
answer,
if
that's,
where
you're
going
right,
that
is
not
the
plan.
There'll
be
a
mix
of
probably
some
production
builders
for
the
smaller
again
trying
to
hit
a
market
Niche.
So
it's
a
little
more
affordable
product
and
definitely
some
custom
builders
for
a
large
section
of
S2.
I
A
I
I
probably
am
getting
ahead
of
myself,
but
I
read
somewhere
about
the
parks
and
about
how
we
didn't
need
as
many
acres,
because
the
Hubbard
Park
was
there
and
there's
not
very
much
facilities
there.
So
that's
not
a
really
good.
In
my
opinion,
that's
not
a
really
good
reason
not
to
have
facilities
here.
So
I
guess
in
terms
of
thinking
about
the
next
phase.
A
I
would
give
you
that
comment
that,
from
a
personal
perspective,
we'd
like
to
see
if
you're
going
to
say
that's
the
reason
we're
not
having
open
space,
then
we
should
be
making
some
improvements
to
that
space
to
make
it
more
usable,
Madam.
T
T
C
Chair,
okay,
so
you
said,
you
spoke
to
the
schools
and
I
do
appreciate
the
the
elementary
schools.
It's
outstanding
that
you're
working
with
them
on
that,
but
I
mean,
as
we
know,
Elementary
is
not
where
kids
stop
so
did
they
did.
They
have
any
concerns
about
the
future
impact
of
such
a
large
growth
with
middle
schools
in
the
area
and
high
schools,
because,
as
I
said,
you
probably
heard
they're
really
far
away
from
where
you're
trying
to
build
this
right
now.
So
you
have
any
comments
on
that
by
June.
T
Yeah
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
Scott
thanks
for
the
question
we
have
two
school
districts,
we're
working
with
we're.
Actually
bisected
the
western
side
is
kuna,
School
District
and
the
center
and
Eastern
portion
is
West,
ADA,
School
District
and
both
have
different
answers.
That's
why
I
have
to
give
you
the
clarification.
Cuna
School
District
was
pretty
clear.
This
is
all
they
needed.
Elementary
School,
regardless
there's
other
developments
in
the
in
the
western
area.
We've
mentioned
the
Valor
subdivision,
that's
part
of
the
Falcon
Crest
Golf
Course.
T
Those
are
actually
mostly
55
and
older
community.
There's
some
Custom
Homes
in
that
area
too.
But
there's
a
plan
I
believe
Cuna
schools
are
trying
to
implement
a
10-year
plan
at
this
time
where
they
plan
for
all
their
school
needs
and
so
we're
supporting
them
in
their
plan.
I
guess
the
short
answer
they've
told
us
where
they
want
want
that.
West
data
has
also
had
similar
comments.
The
Locale
subdivision,
if
I
understand
correctly,
is
also
part
of
West
data,
and
so,
as
you
look
at
that,
they
know.
T
T
When
we
get
to
the
implementation
phase,
they
may
have
a
different
answer
for
us.
We
may
have
have
to
have
a
different
answer,
but
that's
what
they've
told
us
this
time
and
so
right
now,
they've
asked
specifically
to
preserve
an
elementary
school
site,
knowing
that
it
will
be
needed
for
this
area.
The
other
two
they're
working
through
that
plan.
C
I'm
sure
just
another
question,
so
Boise
city
in
there
in
their
letter,
said
that
there
was
costly
and
potentially
a
cost
of
unplanned
investment,
Transportation
infrastructure
and
I'm
also
kind
of
concerned
of
fully
aware
achg
has
it
has
done
their
their
assessments
and
stuff
with
you
guys,
but
I
I
do
have
concerns
of
the
East-West
of
10
Mile
Creek
only
being
fed
into
Pleasant
Valley
and
then
eventually
Cloverdale,
whereas
coal
and
Five
Mile
don't
connect
and
it
doesn't
look
like
that's
going
to
be
planned
that
five
miles
going
to
connect
into
and
coal
is,
the
main
art
would
be
the
main
artery
to
the
freeway
from
all
the
way
down
to
Coal.
C
T
Madam
chair
and
commissioner
Scott,
we
are
getting
into
the
technicalities
of
it,
but
I'll
give
you
a
peek
into
the
window.
If
you
will,
based
on
the
traffic
impact
study,
there's
a
split
of
which
way
the
traffic
goes
east
and
west.
The
reason
why
multiple
traffic
impact
studies
they
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
accurate.
T
Is
it
a
50
50
split?
Is
it
60
40
split?
Is
it
70
30
split?
Is
it
East
and
West
one
way
or
the
other?
We
all
want
to
make
sure
it's
done
correctly
to
make
sure
that
our
impacts
and
our
mitigations
are
are
well
they
match.
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
fully
expect
we
will
be
not
only
paying
for
impact
fees.
We
will
be
paying
for
off-site
mitigation,
not
just
for
10
Mile,
Creek
Road,
but
also
for
Pleasant
Valley
and
for
the
area
of
Pleasant
Valley
near
gallon.
T
A
T
Yeah,
if
you're
going
to
Meridian
well
now
it's
the
other
direction,
we're
going
to
Cloverdale
and
then
North
and
Northwest,
and
so
that's
why
all
those
intersections
were
studied,
because
not
every
driver
will
go
to
the
same
direction
and
likewise
some
would
say
well
how
come
there's
no
shopping
in
the
area.
Well,
again,
that's
a
little
bit
of
the
implementation
phase,
but
let
me
get
a
little
peek
in
the
window.
There's
a
Planned
grocery
store
at
that
Valor
Community
by
Falcon
Crest,
and
so
that's
why
the
there's
a
compliment.
Why
we
work
together?
T
That's
why
that
five
mile
is
going
to
connect
to
the
South.
A
lot
of
residents
are
actually
go
south
to
kuna
road
to
go
shopping
or
they'll
just
drive
straight
through
Valor
and
not
even
go
out
to
kuna
road
to
get
to
the
shopping,
and
so
so
we
recognize
that
connectivity
they'll
take
place
and
so
sorry
for
the
long
answer.
T
C
So
you
said
you
were
going
to
improve,
look
to
improve
Pleasant,
Valley,
potentially
all
the
way
down
to
what
I
think
what
is
to
gallon
Road.
Just
from
personal
experience
for
my
operations
within
the
military,
there's
a
that's
a
tank
Trail
as
well.
Have
you
spoken
to
Gowan
at
the
Idaho
National
Guard
at
all,
about
potentially
what
that
would
look
like
or
as
echd?
C
T
T
Madam
chair,
that's
that's
correct.
Some
years
will
be
more
and
some
BS
less
it's
not
just
single-family
homes.
That
number
would
also
include
the
the
apartments
or
the
town
homes
and
you
so
absorptions
increase
when
you
have
a
variety
of
housing
types.
T
Madam
chair:
if
we
take
a
I'm
going
to
do
quick
math
here
again,
it's
a
20-year
build
out,
and
so
you
divide
that
into
almost
three
thousand,
that's
actually
closer
to
150.
would
be
the
average
or
less
units
per
year
and
and
again
that
would
include
all
the
variety
of
housing
types.
T
A
T
A
R
Betty
Berman
solo,
1970,
canonero,
Way,
Boise,
Idaho,
again,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
Southwest
data
County
Alliance,
and
and
urge
the
Commissioners
to
look
at
the
previous
letters
sent
by
the
earlier
commission.
R
October
7th
2019
regarding
this
development
and
discouraging
that
move
at
this
point
and
as
well
as
Mrs,
Marissa,
Keith's
letter
of
January,
13th
and
I
think
it
brings
up.
Our
concerns
mainly
are
that
plan
developments
of
this
kind?
Don't
make
the
same
mistakes
that
were
made
previously
and
if
there
are
conditions.
R
If
this
is
approved
at
this
point,
and
there
are
conditions
that
protect
the
the
limited
resources
that
Ada
County
is
collecting
right
now
to
to
take
care
of
the
needs
along
Overland
Road
along
Cloverdale,
and
don't
jump
into
spending
those
limited
resources
on
something
that
is
going
to
be
years
before
anything
comes
back
to
to
serve
the
other
Ada
County
residents
that
have
been
here
waiting.
R
So
I'm
I'm,
hoping
that
there's
a
number
of
conditional
conditions
of
approval
during
the
phasing
the
implementation
and
and
specifying
what
has
to
be
in
place
in
terms
of
infrastructure
there,
as
well
as
putting
some
some
concern
towards
serving
the
people
that
have
been
there
for
years
to
come
and
I
would
imagine
Mr,
jorgeson
and
everyone
that
lives
here
understands
the
situation
we
we've
been
working
with
for
some
years
now,
and
some
of
them
are
safety
issues
regarding
transportation
that
we've
witnessed
on
Cloverdale.
So
I
I
urge
the
Commissioners.
R
If
you
go
forward
and
approve
this,
looking
look
at
making
sure
that
there's
some
preference
given
to
where
those
finances
coming
in
Impact
fees
from
achd
it's
going
to
be
a
long
time
before
we
get
served
adequately
with
needs
that
we
have
on
Five
Mile,
Road,
Maple
Grove,
it's
a
nightmare
in
those
areas.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
the
high
density,
that's
there
without
adequate
roadways
and
we're
still
waiting
so
I
I'm,
hoping
that
this
commission
will
keep
that
in
mind.
As
as
you
go
forward.
Thank
you.
S
Gary
Briggs
9000,
West,
kuna,
Road
I
am
representing
myself
and
the
Cuna
East
water
Corporation.
We
have
a
well.
If
I
can
we
have
property?
If
you
can
just
get
one
of
your
bigger
pictures.
I'll
show
you
we're
very
concerned
about
the
water
table
and
we
that
we
may
lose
our
irrigation.
Well,
that's
been
in
there
for
60
years,
so
we're
we're
located.
S
S
S
Now
that
it's
going
to
cost
us
to
drill
a
newer,
deeper
well
to
keep
irrigating
our
property
that
we've
had
it's
been
in
place
for
60
years.
So
that's
one
of
our
main
concerns
is
before
you
approve
this.
They
do
have
existing
Wells
that
they're
running,
but
when
you
put
all
those
houses
in
there,
they're
not
on
a
six-month
irrigation
schedule,
they're
on
a
12-month
every
day,
all-day
schedule
of
using
water,
and
we
only
use
our
irrigation
pump
six
months
out
of
the
year
and
but
there
then
that's
I'm,
assuming
what
they
do.
S
A
lot
of
that
ground
isn't
hasn't
been
farmed.
It's
been
abandoned,
some
of
it
that's
wetter.
There
is
pasture
and
grazing
stuff,
it's
real
pretty,
but
it
is
down
in
a
ravine.
They've
got
no
views
from
either
side.
You
can't
see
the
Boise
mountains
Hawaii
mountains,
but-
and
it's
probably-
and
it's
not
a
probably
really
good
Farm
ground.
They
must
have
water
issues
currently
that
they
don't
Farm.
It
is
what
concerns
us
there's.
There's
they
put
pivot
lines
in
that
they've,
abandoned
and
wheel
lines
that
they've
abandoned
over
the
years.
S
A
S
That's
on
a
big
hill
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
very,
very
dangerous
intersection,
and
it's
going
to
really
mess
up.
I
can't
believe
the
gravel
companies
aren't
here
because
it's
going
to
really
make
it
difficult
for
them
to
get
all
their
trucks
in
and
out
of
there
with
all
the
extra
traffic
going
that
way.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
big
impact
and
they
mentioned
several
times
how
this
Project's
going
to
complement
things.
S
A
S
The
the
we
had
to
deal
our
we
had
to
drill
our
domestic
well
from
320
to
4
40,
to
get
to
water,
and
so
that
meant
that
our
existing
pump
and
electricity
we
had
to
put
in
a
bigger
pump.
Our
irrigation
well
is
about
that.
Much
is
that
440,
but
it's
higher
than
our
house
well,
but
our
concern
is
they're
200
feet
lower
than
us.
The
valley
is
so
we
if
we're
to
get
down
to
their
level.
We
might
be
at
the
600
700
foot
if.
A
A
Is
there
a
Tim
Keane
in
the
room,
okay,
Rick
Boardman.
N
Chair
Commissioners
Richard
Boardman,
999,
Cow,
Horse,
Drive,
Ada
County,
my
wife
and
I
have
lived
on
our
property
for
about
31
years.
It's
about
a
mile
as
the
crow
flies
from
this
proposed
development.
I
am
not
against
the
development
I'm
hedging.
My
bets
on
that
I'm
against
this
application.
Part
of
the
reason
I'm
going
to
talk
quick
here,
because
I've
only
got
three
minutes
and
I
know.
I've
got
a
lot
to
cover.
Part
of
that
is
because
you
have
outdated,
incomplete
and
inaccurate
information
in
front
of
you
on
this
application.
N
I
have
spent
hours
pouring
over
this
sifting
through
this
as
an
example,
the
absorption
report
has
quoted
very
outdated
at
least
10
years,
outdated
largest
employer
in
the
Boise
Valley
information
that,
in
and
of
itself,
maybe
isn't
a
big
deal.
We
all
know
that
the
jobs
around
here
are
pretty
a
lot
of
volume
of
jobs,
but
that
is
an
example
and
I
can
give
you
other
examples.
N
Throughout
the
Thousand
pages
of
this
application
of
inaccurate,
outdated
and
incomplete
information
and
I
bring
that
up
as
an
example
and
mention
this,
and
please
don't
think
that
I'm
trying
to
be
patronizing,
but
somebody
has
not
done
their
homework
in
in
going
through
the
accuracy
of
this
information.
I'll
give
you
more
examples.
The
reason
that's
important
is
I
think
you
know
that
if
this
commission's
decision
much
less
the
board's
ultimate
decision
on
this
project
is
ever
subject
to
judicial
review.
N
It
is
subject
to
a
standard
of
being
arbitrary
and
capricious
if
you
have
inaccurate,
incomplete
outdated
information.
That
is
a
fundamental
basis
for
an
argument
that
it
is
arbitrary
and
capricious.
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
traffic
commissioner,
Scott
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
and
the
previous
commenter
mentioned
that
coal
Road's
never
going
to
go
through
because
immediately
to
the
north
of
Ten
Mile
Creek
Road
R
is
probably
the
most
productive
aggregate
Source
in
this
Valley.
As
was
mentioned,
there
are
multiple
Gravel
Pit
there
with
mineral
rights.
N
Ada
County
has
its
own
Gravel
Pit
on
10,
Mile,
Creek,
Road
and
there's
and
behind
that
is
all
BLM.
Cole
Road
is
not
going
through.
Everybody
is
going
to
go
to
Cloverdale
and
go
south
from
there
or
perhaps
North
and
into
Cuna
unless
they
work
at
micron,
but
most
of
this
traffic
volume
is
going
to
go
through
Cloverdale
after
it
hits
Hubbard.
N
N
N
N
Then
I'll
sit
down
and
shut
up,
but
I
look
into
it.
That
Kimberly
horn
report
is
hundreds
of
pages
I
couldn't
find
anything
that
indicated.
Wouldn't
you
think
that
another
development,
that's
within
a
half
a
mile
of
2
700
homes,
total
5,
000
Plus
Homes,
that
somebody
would
take
into
account
the
traffic
from
that.
A
A
That's
everybody,
that's
a
room
that
would
lawmen
go
ahead.
Give
us
your
name
and
address.
A
U
I've
been
a
resident
of
Boise
for
over
30
years
recently,
I've
been
in
southeast
and
I
just
to
provide
a
little
perspective.
I
think
it
might
be
warranted,
and
that
has
to
do
with.
If
you
look
at
what
the
thoughtful
planning
that
they've
done
for
this
development
and
compare
it
to
what
Bound
Crossing
is
compare
it
to
the
petoneal
developments
in
in
the
southeast
of
Boise,
and
you
can
really
see
I
mean
this
is
less
residential
growth
than
you
have
in
Harris
Ranch,
and
you
have
Park
Center
Boulevard.
That.
U
More
than
accommodates,
three
thousand
plus
homes
in
Harris,
Ranch
and
I
have
been
commuting
on
Cloverdale,
and
there
are
times
when
it
can
be
a
complete
nightmare
right
now,
however,
I
believe
they
are
widening
Cloverdale
if
I'm,
not
mistaken
and
I
believe
it
will
be.
It
won't
be
a
problem
from
the
perspective
of
the
number
of
homes
that
are
going
into
this
area.
I
think
it's
a
very
thoughtfully
planned
vision
for
the
for
the
sub
for
the
development
and
look
forward
to
buying
a
home
there.
A
You
very
much
is
there
anybody
else
in
the
room
that
would
like
to
make
a
comment.
V
Hi,
my
name
is
Alan
pyo
I
live
on
11457
South
Cloverdale
Road
in
Kuna
Idaho
I'd
like
to
give
my
time
if
I
may,
to
Rick
for
more
of
his
concerns
and
about
this
development.
You.
V
Well,
my
concerns
are
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
okay,
chairman,
my
concern
is,
is
what
a
lot
of
them
been
saying
is
that
traffic
is
very
horrible
on
that
road,
like
the
gentleman
just
said
that
they
are
trying
to
widen
the
road,
but
unfortunately,
it's
a
lot
of
the
major
development
that
matters
for
this
development
is
going
to
be
another.
V
So
that's
what
my
concern
is
is
that
even
the
safety
of
people
driving
on
that
road,
where
people
pass
on
the
double
yellow
lines,
there's
no,
not
enough
policemen
out
there
to
kind
of
help
survey
the
problems
that
is
going
on
in
every
traffic
flow,
that's
going
on
through
there
and
then
like
you're,
seeing
for
the
schools.
V
If
kids
are
trying
to
wait
for
the
buses
out
there,
where
are
they
going
to
be
going
to
have
more
of
an
accident
waiting
to
happen
with
them
with
all
the
traffic
that
will
be
going
through
that
roadway?
So
that
is
my
concern
about
this
development
on
everything
that
is
going
to
impact
for
this
place.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
B
Thank
you,
ma'am,
chair
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
talk
about
the
you
know
the
phased
approach
with
a
planning
Community,
because
I
believe
the
last
time
we
saw
one
was
Dry
Creek
Ranch
for
the
school,
so
I
assume
that
process
would
take
place
in
like
round
two,
so
to
speak
of
this
coming
before
us.
If
it
does
get
approved
by
us
or
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
for
the
actual
implementation
side,
correct.
Q
Madam
chair,
commissioner
Exton.
Yes,
so
the
schools
are
designated
on
the
the
future
land
use
map
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
yeah.
They
would
also
be
part
of
that
implementation
plan
probably
be
more
details
potentially
but
I
guess
when
they're
actually
constructed
will
kind
of
ultimately
fall
onto
the
school
districts.
B
What
I
was
wondering
more
was
when
we
saw
the
Dry
Creek
Ranch
one.
You
know
there
was
that
stipulation
where
it's
like
until
you
can
move
to
like
phase
two.
All
of
these
conditions
had
to
be
met
before
you
can
move
to
the
next
spot
of
the
full
plan.
Community
I
assume
for
this.
If
this
does
get
ultimately
approved,
that
kind
of
framework
would
happen
in
round
two,
not
like
right
now.
Obviously
correct.
Q
Yeah
Madam
chair
commissioner
X
and
yes,
sir,
that's
correct
the
for
the
implementation
plan.
The
second
phase
is
where
there
would
be
much
more
conditions
included.
So
that's
where
that
specificity
would
come
into
play
in
planning
is
only
commission
and
the
board
could
add
specific
conditions
for
each
phase,
and
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
submit
a
phase
a
detailed
phasing
plan
as
part
of
the
implementation
plan,
so
yeah,
you
would
get
more
more
details
in
that
stage
and
be
able
to
add
more
conditions
there.
Okay,
thank
you.
C
Q
A
Madam
chair,
commissioner
Scott
they
would
be
using
their
existing
water
rights,
they
did
detail
the
water
rights
they
have
on
the
property
they
have
like.
They
mentioned
two
existing
Wells
on
their
property.
They're
they're,
getting
part
of
the
property
with
now,
but
that's
his
applicant
may
have
more
detail
than
that,
but
they
would
be
using
their
existing
water
rights.
They
already
have
existing
Wells
to
irrigate
some
of
the
property.
C
And
then
just
just
kind
of
for
my
education
on
the
process
if,
when
they,
this
isn't,
is
this
necessarily
an
approval
for
like
the
whole
project
and
they
just
go
forward
and
and
drive
on,
or
is
this
like
approving
the
general
concept?
Then
they'd
have
to
come
back
with
when
the
phase
they
move
to
like
phase
one
then
come
back
phase
two
for
with
their
plans
for
what
they're
building.
Q
And
Madam
chair,
commissioner
Scott
yeah:
this
is
the
just
kind
of
the
broad
overview,
a
plan
to
give
this
approval
of
this
application
gives
them
the
ability
to
submit
the
second
application.
So
in
general
it
designates
the
property
as
a
planned
Community,
but
they
don't.
This
doesn't
grant
them
any
development
rights.
It
just
gives
them
essentially
the
right
to
to
move
on
to
the
second
step.
The
second
phase
of
the
application.
C
Okay
and
then
just
one
final
question
are:
is
there
any
way
and
again
it's
just
process
question?
Is
there
any
way
to
I,
don't
necessarily
want
to
like
kick
this
back
to
get
more
or
I
know.
This
is
two
organizations
competing
here
to
see
if
achd
can
re-look
it
or
or
is
that,
is
that
a
bridge
too
far
or
am
I
overstepping,
because
it's
a
separate
entity.
Q
Madam
chair
commissioner
Scott
yeah
they've,
as
mentioned
the
applicant
did
hire.
Can
we
horn
to
develop
their
traffic
to
impact
study?
Achd
did
review
that
actually
hired
another
consultant
to
help
in
the
review
of
that
impact
study
and
there's
been
there's
been
several
different
updates
submitted
through
the
process.
Hhd
has
asked
for
more
information.
The
applicants,
given
that
so
it's
been
several
months
of
the
applicant
working
with
achd
and
their
traffic
to
impact
study
But.
Q
Ultimately,
the
approval
of
that
study
is
through
achd
and,
as
you're
all
aware,
they
have
ultimate
decision
on
what
what
roadway
improvements
get
made.
But
it
has
been
several
months
that
they
have
been
reviewing
that
that
plan
in
detail.
I
A
Q
K
A
Any
more
questions
I
wondered
if
you
could
talk
to
me
about
the
water
table
issues
like
what's
our
responsibilities
versus
because
I
know,
there's
another
group
that
handles
groundwater
and
that
there's
another
group
that
handles
surface
water
I
found
that
out,
because
I
had
two
competing
places.
I
went
to.
So.
If
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
yeah.
Q
Madam
chair
so
I
guess
just
as
an
overview.
As
was
mentioned,
the
the
potable
water
will
come
from
violia
from
Wells
off-site
at
the
existing
wells
off
site,
but
as
far
as
the
irrigation
water,
they
will
be
using
their
their
existing
water
rights.
They
did
detail
in
their
report,
their
the
water
rights
they
do
have
so
and
of
course,
idwr
does
prove
Wells,
ultimately
any
new
wells
that
are
built
but
yeah.
As
far
as
their
I
said,
an
applicant
May
provide
more
detail,
but
they
did
demonstrate
an
application.
K
Madam
chair:
do
you
know
what
the
water
table
is
out
there
on
that
property.
Q
Madam
chair
commissioner
Coulson
I
I,
don't
know
that
applicant
may
have
more
information,
though.
Thank
you.
A
And
then
the
comment
that
was
made
by
one
of
the
parties
about
the
traffic
studies
not
being
accurate,
do
you
have
any
knowledge
that
the
traffic
studies
aren't
accurate,
or
can
you
make
any
comments
about
that.
Q
Yeah
we
do
defer
to
achd
as
far
as
trafficked
impact
studies,
though,
as
I
was
mentioned,
the
staff
report
Ada
County,
did
hire
an
outside
consultant
just
to
look
at
three
of
the
plans
through
the
areas
of
the
plan.
They
did
look
at
the
trans
trafficked
impact
study,
the
wildlife
and
natural
resources
study
and
the
economic
study.
Q
So
we
actually
had
a
consultant
Jacobs
that
the
county
hired
that
we've
done
this
for
our
past
planned
communities
just
to
double
check
some
of
the
technical
reports
and
they
didn't
have
any
major
concerns
with
with
it.
But
ultimately,
again,
achd
is
the
one
that
that
approves
approves
the
studies,
they're
experts
and
again
they
hired
an
outside
consultant
to
assist
them
with
their
review.
J
Madam
chair
to
that
point
as
well,
achd
has
required
an
updated
tis
for
each
phase,
so,
in
the
event
that
growth
continues
in
the
area,
the
updated
CIS
would
need
to
account
for
what's
happening.
So
it's
not
everything
today
and
that's
all
the
traffic
we're
going
to
get
they're
going
to
keep
looking
at
how
the
area
is
growing
and
figuring
out
what
the
the
impacts
will
be
and
what
the
necessary
improvements
should
be
and
whether
or
not
a
project
can
grow
to
a
certain
size
or
not
so.
A
T
Good
evening
again
for
the
record,
Dave
orgason
applicant,
so
I
wrote
down
a
few
notes
here
and
I
just
make
a
couple
comments.
First,
regarding
Betty
Berber
Solo's
comments
on
Marissa
Keith,
later
I
haven't,
read
it
but
I
agree
with
what
she
said.
There
will
be
conditions
added
to
this
development
as
we
move
forward
to
the
implementation
phase
and
we've
been
reaching
out.
T
We've
been
listening
to
what
the
concerns
are,
and
we've
heard
a
lot
of
comments
about
phasing
about
off-site
about
traffic
and
those
types
of
things,
and
we
really
have
to
try
to
take
a
different
approach
to
this.
We've
listened
to
achd
and
they're
the
ones
who've
determined
the
scope
of
the
study.
We
didn't
decide
what
roads
to
study
they
did,
for
example,
there's
lots
of
other
discussions,
I'll
even
maybe
lead
to
the
next
one.
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
irrigation
Wells.
T
We
are
not
drilling
new
wells
on
this
site,
we're
using
existing
surface
water
rights
that
have
been
used
for
a
long
period
of
time
to
irrigate
this
property
for
the
purpose
of
grazing
and
we'll
just
instead
using
it
for
pressurized
irrigation
for
our
common
areas
and
for
our
yards.
In
fact,
we're
going
to
put
in
has
been
identified
in
our
sustainability
and
resiliency
portion
of
the
project
of
the
of
the
plan
where
we
actually
call
out
and
we'll
have
some
conservation
measures
in
place
to
try
to
be
more
careful
in
our
water
usage.
T
We
recognize
water
usage
is,
is
water's
finite
and
we're
not
out
here
to
to
be
a
pig
of
water
users,
if
you
will,
but
rather
we'll
be
only
using
our
water
right
and
and
being
cautious
in
that
water
use
as
well.
With
regard
to
traffic
and
the
comments
about
outdated,
incomplete
info
I
didn't
hear
any
other
than
a
accusation.
The
absorption
report
was
old,
I
would
just
see
all
these
reports
are
about
one
year
old,
not
10,
years
old
reports.
T
There
was
a
study
analysis
that
were
done
in
a
variety
of
topics
of
which
we
already
covered,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
happy
to
meet
with
Mr
Boardman
afterwards
to
see
where
the
concern
might
be,
but
our
intent
is
never
to
use
old,
outdated
information.
This
application
was
already
submitted
to
the
county
staff
and
reviewed
by
a
third
party
reviewer
as
well
staff.
We
don't
believe
there's
any
outdated
or
or
misleading
information
has
been
suggested
here
tonight.
I
think
I've
answered
your
general
questions,
but
I
know
you
might
have
a
few
specific
ones.
T
I
did
write
down
the
comment
about
phasing
and
specific
about
traffic
when
hhd
asks
us
to
do
a
traffic
impact
study.
There
are
multiple
portions
there's
a
reason
why
it's
hundreds
of
pages
long,
there's
a
reason
why
it's
because
the
scope
is
large,
we
studied
17
intersections
plus
multiple
roads
out
Beyond
those
intersections.
But
then
we
study
the
existing
conditions,
something
that's
called
background
traffic,
which
includes
all
approved
development
and
then
the
impacts
of
the
new
development.
So
all
three
are
analyzed
and
that's.
T
What's
in
the
traffic
impact
study,
pretty
confident
that
Kimberly
horn
captured
all
that,
because
achd
told
them
what
those
numbers
are
and
our
our
then
as
staff
is
recognized
here
at
the
county,
there's
a
third
party
reviewer,
so
we've
had
counties,
Jacobs
consultant
we've
had
ACC
review
it,
we've
had
acc's
third-party
consultant
and
our
traffic
is
so
four
different
eyes
have
looked
at
I.
Think
we've
covered
the
review.
Again,
more
information
will
be
provided
to
the
county.
In
our
implementation
phase.
T
We
will
have
multiple
traffic
impact
studies
to
make
sure
that
we
address
with
each
phase,
because
we
we
agree,
there'll
be
more
development
in
the
area.
We
know
about
Valor.
We
want
to
capture
all
that
traffic
and
make
sure
that
they're
doing
their
fair
share
and
we
will
do
our
fair
share
with
all
the
road
widening
of
Cloverdale,
which
is
stated
as
a
concern
with
that
Madam
chair,
I,
I,
just
want
to
say
one
last
thing.
T
We're
thrilled
to
be
to
this
point,
because
I
really
have
a
big
vision
of
making
this
a
beautiful
community
and
something
which
I
will
be
very
proud
of
for
a
long
period
of
time.
That's
how
I
do
developments
that,
by
the
way
I
drive
around
five
ten
years
later.
What
do
they
look
like
I
like
how
it
turned
out
happy
to
stand
behind
any
one
of
my
communities,
I've
built
in
the
last
25
years
in
this
community?
T
A
I
Oh
I
mean
frankly,
I've
been
astonished
that
I
proposed
subdivision
was
not
recommended
for
this
property
for
years,
I
mean
I've,
driven
down
it
many
times
familiar
with
it,
and
this
has
been
pointed
out.
This
is
the
first
rung
of
a
tall
ladder
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
other
steps
that
have
to
go
that
have
to
be
met
before
this
is
going
to
be
a
reality.
I
I,
don't
think
we
as
a
body
should
be
saying
that,
because
of
current
traffic
issues
that
can
be
solved
by
the
governmental
entity
that
we
should
deny
the
ability
of
a
property
owner
to
sell
their
property
and
use
it
for
a
logical
use,
am
I
happy
that
some
of
the
developments
have
taken
place.
No
I
mean
like
many
people,
I
wanted
to
move
here
and
then
slam
the
door.
So
nobody
else
could
come
in.
That's
not
reality.
I
Relatively
newcomer
here,
I've
only
been
here
for
about
25
years,
but
I'm
not
happy
seeing
Mayfield
get
developed
when
I
saw
this
application,
I
thought
pretty
soon
they're
going
to
want
to
develop
Orchard.
That
was
the
very
next
thing
that
we
had
of
the
next
application
that
followed
this
one
on
the
agenda.
I
I
think
that
the
plan
looks
like
a
good
plan,
but
it
will
only
be
good
if
the
requirements
are
met
to
satisfy
the
needs
concerning
traffic
schools,
fire
police
protection,
everything
else
that
goes
with
it.
That's
not
our
job
to
determine.
B
I
mean
I
pretty
much
agree
with
everything
commissioner
Burch
said
you
know
this
is
very
much
that
first
step
of
a
very
long,
very
long
ladder.
I
also
agree.
I
think
this
is
an
extremely
well
thought
out
plan,
especially
because
it
is
right
next
to
Valor,
I.
Think
it's
more
consistent
in
that
aspect,
rather
than
something
like
avamor,
where
there's
nothing
like
it
surrounding
it,
so
I
think
in
that
aspect.
B
It
makes
sense,
because
it's
literally
right
next
to
it,
you
know
the
issues
with
the
traffic
I
do
think
the
applicant
has,
you
know,
stated
multiple
times
over
that
they
are
more
than
willing
to
make
all
of
these
off-site
improvements
to
the
roadways.
B
Obviously,
that
conversation
will
be
between
achd
in
the
applicant.
Not
us,
but
I.
Think
those
the
infrastructure
to
make
those
decisions
is
there
to
improve
the
infrastructure,
didn't
mean
to
make
a
pun
there
and
with
the
water.
You
know
there
are
those
other
agencies,
the
fact
that
the
applicant
isn't
drilling
new
Wells
they're
piping
in
all
of
the
potable
water
I.
Think
that's
a
good.
B
You
know
check
and
balance
there
so
to
speak
of
the
water
use,
but
yeah
I
think
you
know
something
like
this,
especially
because
there
will
be
all
those
other.
You
know
logistical
steps
along
the
way,
whether
it
being
just
the
board
of
County
Commissioners,
coming
back
to
us
for
round
two.
So
to
speak.
If
it
does
pass
the
board
of
County
Commissioners
that
very
detailed
phasing
plan
with
having
to
meet
all
the
requirements,
Before
The,
Next
Step,
you
know
I
do
think
you
know
this
could
definitely
be
a
wonderful
Community
project
and
I
Echo.
K
I
live
really
close
to
this
property
and
honestly
I
I
love
the
I
love
the
concept.
I
love
the
the
idea
about
this
as
a
as
a
community.
What
I
love
about
the
what
they
put
in
front
of
us
here
is
they
take
all
people
into
consideration.
So
it's
not
it's
not
avamar,
where
your
your
800
to
a
million
dollar
homes,
and
it's
just
stuck
that
way.
I
mean
you're.
Taking
in
to
people
that
can't
lower
income
home
house
apartments.
K
You
know
people
that
are
want.
The
eight
thousand
to
ten
thousand
Lots
I
mean
you're,
bringing
a
community
all
together
versus
separating
them
in
in
one
one
full
community
versus
a
subdivision
of
just
this,
not
to
mention
bringing
commercial
and
everything
just
exactly
what
a
lot
of
people
are
always
concerned
about
is
having
to
travel
too
far
to
go,
get
some
something
to
eat
or
something
else
like
that
bottom
line
is
it's:
it's
taken
everybody
into
consideration
and
that's
what
that's
what
I
love
about
the
development
other
than
that?
C
So
as
I've
always
before,
I've
had
serious
concerns
about
the
traffic
in
schools.
However,
that
being
said,
I
have
to
defer
to
the
experts
in
those
areas.
We
have
school
districts
that
make
those
decisions
and
are
smarter
than
me
on
schools.
We
have
achd
and
Highway
planners
that
make
those
decisions
and
look
at
this
stuff
and
they
they
get
the
outside
consults
and
do
the
work,
and
we
have
to
trust
that
they
do
the
type
of
thing
just
like.
They
trust
that
we
do
the
right
thing
when
it
comes
to
planning
and
zoning.
C
So
while
I
do
have
reservations
on
traffic,
I
will
trust
that
achd,
especially
with
the
idea
that
we're
going
to
go
through
phased
updates
to
impact
of
traffic
as
the
phases
are
grown
and
I
do
like.
Like
all
the
other
Commissioners
said,
this
is
a
really
nice
looking
Community,
it
really
is
I
like
the
the
Open
Spaces
I,
like
the
internal
commercial.
So
it's
like
a
community
almost
like
a
village.
That's
there
that
they
can,
they
can
work
and
play
and
Shop
someone
together.
C
I
really
appreciate
that
they
are
working
with
the
schools
that
they
are
looking
to,
at
least
for
the
elementary
schools,
build
those
as
well
as
integrate
with
police
and
fire,
especially
with
Cuna
and
I've.
Read
many
of
the
letters
there's
a
lot
of
Neighbors
in
here
and
the
letters
that
are
saying
that
they
support
it
and
they
think
that
it's
going
to
be
something
good
and
I
agree
with
commissioner
Burge.
C
This
is
this
is
the
first
rung
if
they
come
back
and
say
we
want
to
build
like
a
a
40-story
high-rise
that
we
can
cross
that
bridge
at
that
point.
But
for
now
I
would
like
to
see
where
this
goes.
So,
while
I
I
have
reservations
on
traffic,
I'll
defer
to
achd
on
that
and
less
data
and
Cuna
schools
for
the
schools.
So
I
will
also
approve
this
as
well.
A
I
live
at
near
three
of
the
corners
that
are
those
future
Corners
that
have
traffic
impacts
along
Columbia,
and
so
several
of
those
Corners
are
so.
The
traffic
from
this
area
is
going
to
impact
my
house,
but
I
also
know
that,
in
order
for
a
achd
to
improve
everything,
that's
south
of
the
freeway,
we
need
to
have
some
impact
fees
and
it's
got
to
come
from
somewhere
in
order
to
do
those
and
needs
to
be
phased
and
it
needs
to
happen
over
time.
A
And
so
I
can
appreciate
that
these
the
applicant
is
working
with
achd
to
fund
some
of
those
off-site's
improvements
to
provide
some
upgrades
to
the
traffic
in
the
area.
I
also
appreciate
that
the
developer
worked
with
the
police
in
the
fire
department
to
come
up
with
some
Creative
Solutions
to
fund
those
things
ahead
of
time
that
that
Community
investment
I
think
makes
a
big
difference.
A
It's
really
a
pretty
development
and
I
I
think
it'll
be
attractive
housing
for
a
wide
variety
of
people
which
we
do
need
in
this
area,
and
there
is
going
to
be
a
lot
more
employment
South
in
that
South
Q
and
A
Corridor
along
the
quinoa
Mora
or
the
blacks,
Creek
exit
area.
So
I
expect
to
see
more
places
for
people
to
work
in
that
area
and
people
be
located
close
to
those
places.
A
C
H
A
Appreciate
it
too,
any
more
comments,
so
I'll
call
for
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
of
a
motion
to
approve
or
send
this
application
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
with
the
approval,
say,
aye.
I
A
A
Opposed
and
so
the
minutes
reflect
that
the
motion
passed
our
next
item
on
the
agenda
is,
we
were
going
to
do.
I
I,
don't
have
my
thing
open,
we're
gonna,
do
an
elections
for
commissioner
or
for
chair
and
vice
chair.
So
is
there
anybody
that
can
make
a
motion
or
commissioner
Exton.
B
B
A
He's
awesome
yeah,
so
any
more
any
this
any
more
comments,
I
think
we'll
just
go
ahead
and
vote
all
those
in
favor
say
aye.
A
Opposed
so,
commissioner,
Birch
has
been
elected
as
chair
and
now
we'll
look
for
a
motion
for
vice
chair.
A
A
It's
moved
and
seconded
that
commissioner
Exton
is
vice
chair,
any
comments,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye.
D
A
B
A
B
A
C
A
And
I'll
say
aye
any
opposed
so
the
minutes,
commissioner,
let
the
minutes
reflect
that
commissioner
Birch
abstained
from
that
vote,
so
all
those
I
think
we're
done.
Thank
you.
D
J
Madam,
chair,
Commissioners
or
before
I,
better
stop.
I'll,
probably
call
you,
madam
chair
a
few
times.
I
apologize
in
advance.
Hopefully
I'll
laugh
about
it.
I
actually
called
former
mayor
beater,
Madame
mayor
once
me
on
the
spot,
so
please
don't
be
as
harsh
but
anyways.
J
Yes,
it
was
a
bit
of
a
packed
house
for
two
items
which
I'll
get
to
in
just
a
sec.
Let
me
walk
through
these
just
first
to
last.
First
was
a
variance
associated
with
some
structures
up
in
the
Northeast
Boise
Foothills
area,
Wild
Horse
Lane
they've
tabled
that
to
April
they
are
continuing
to
work
out,
try
to
work
out
a
deal
with
their
neighbor.
J
That
would
allow
a
property
boundary
adjustment
which
would
eliminate
the
need
for
variants,
so
we're
giving
them
time
to
try
to
go
figure
that
out
another
project.
The
second
project
was
a
variance
for
accessory
structure
to
exceed
the
allowed
height
of
24
feet.
J
It
was
a
gentleman
who
is
vision,
impaired
and
his
wife,
who
wanted
to
create
a
viewing
deck
to
see
the
mountains
out
of
their
backyard
and
not
that
that
was
the
reason
to
approve
the
variance,
but
it
was
a
touching
story
and-
and
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
kind
of
working
through
the
details
of
that
and
ultimately
that
was
approved
by
our
board.
The
third
one
was
the
RV
park
that
you
guys
saw
out
there
on
Vallejo
Lane.
J
That
was
so
state
law
requires
Whenever.
There
is
a
I
believe
it's
material
change.
Let
me
find
the
exact
term
here
and
I.
Don't
think
we
have
it.
Listen
it's
either
material
or
fundamental
change
to
your
recommendation
on
the
comp
plan.
Amendment,
the
board
has
to
then
hold
two
hearings
to
to
ratify.
If
they're
going
to
disagree
with
you
and
so
on
that
one,
you
all
recommend
denial
of
that
RV
park.
J
Ward
wanted
to
approve
it
or
stated
they
were
inclined
to
approve
it,
which
then
prompted
that
second
hearing
we
thought
the
second
hearing
was
gonna,
be
a
little
acquired
in
the
first
one.
It
actually
probably
was
noisier.
So
there
were
a
lot
of
folks
there
to
talk
about
it,
both
pro
and
con.
The
board
took
in
a
lot
of
testimony
and
ultimately
tabled
the
project
to
consider
that
testimony
and
allow
a
limited
amount
of
additional
written
testimony
and
a
rebuttal
from
the
applicants,
so
that
was
tabled
to
a
meeting
in
the
next
three
weeks.
J
That
will
be,
ultimately
that
will
be
decided
in
an
open
business
meeting
versus
a
public
hearing,
but
yeah
very
robust
conversation,
lots
of
lawyers
in
the
room.
So
you
know
as
planners
the
more
lawyers
in
the
room,
usually
the
scarier
the
situation
so,
but
it
was
a
good
good
conversation
all
around
for
did
a
great
job
of
fueling,
a
lot
of
diverse
comments
and
they're,
taking
all
that
under
consideration
and
I'll.
If
you
want
to
ask
questions
about
any
of
those,
Phil
feel
free
and
we
can
talk
about
at
the
end
as
well.
J
The
next
item
was
the
the
fuel
station
out
there
on
10,
Mile
and
Amity
that
was
approved
by
the
board,
and
so
they
tabled
that
for
revised
findings
to
reflect
that
decision,
which
you
recommended
that
they
approve
that
project.
So
so
yeah
we'll
have
a
new
gas
station
out
there
on
10
Mile,
an
Avenue
in
the
next
12
to
18
months,
most
likely
and
then
finally,
there
was
the
Rolling
Hills
Vineyard
Winery,
which
you
heard
and
approved,
and
that
was
ultimately
appealed
to
the
board.
J
That
was
the
other
big
one,
probably
two
hours,
plus
of
testimony
and
consideration,
and
the
board
did
table
that
one
as
well
and
they
are
going
to
deliberate
at
an
open
business
meeting
and
and
make
a
decision
at
that
point.
So
that
sums
up
all
of
the
applications
that
we
heard
last
night.
It
was
around
midnight
when
we
got
out
of
here
yesterday,
so
thank
you
for
getting
done
at
nine.
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
also
congratulations
to
the
new
elected
leadership.
J
It's
I've
loved
working
with
all
of
you
and
so
now,
I'll
again
I'll
try
to
do
my
best
to
get
the
name
of
your
position
correct.
J
You
know
me
I'm,
not
a
very
formal
guy,
so
I
apologize
in
advance
for
some
of
my
my
leniency
when
it
comes
to
Robert's
Rules,
but
I
will
do
my
best
to
respect
the
positions
that
you
hold
on
the
commission.
So
with
that
I'll
stand
for
any
questions.