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From YouTube: April 14, 2021 Caucus -Worksession
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Agenda for April 19, 2021 was discussed
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B
Question
about
that
this
does
relate
to
the
the
beaver
creek
project
yep
and
which
has
gone
through
the
council
etc,
and
we
approved
the
alienation,
the
home
rule
for
the
alienation
I
guess
last
year.
But
my
question
was
didn't:
did
the
original
beaver
creek
discussion
go
through
planning
or
did
it
go
through
parks
and
rec.
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A
A
A
Okay,
so
we'll
go
back
to
that.
As
of
now
I'm
seeing
parks
and
we
can-
we
can
adjust
that
okay,
so
that
was
for
the
local
law
introduced
next
under
local
laws
held
with
the
local
lawsee.
Mr
shea,
I
know
it
wasn't
on
the
active
calendar
and
I
think
mr
richard
was
anticipating
me.
You
know
putting
forth-
or
at
least
talking
to
the
council,
about
this
amendment
that
I'm
proposing,
which
I
may
as
well
just
go
into
right
now.
A
I
did
send
it
out
to
folks,
so
hopefully
everyone
got
a
chance
to
look
at
it.
I
managed
to
make
a
few
calls
today.
I
didn't
get
to
call
everyone,
because
I
was
at
work
but
thoughts.
I
I
would
like
to
to
do
this
and
make
this
adjustment.
But
again
this
is
a
conversation
right
now
and
if
the
body
doesn't
or
if
members
don't
want
to
entertain
it,
then
right.
F
G
G
A
H
We
started
looking
through
the
the
city
code
and
we
found
out
that
in
the
city
code
we're
asking
people
to
use
the
best
quality
ledge
service,
the
lead
pipe
when
they
do
their
lead
services.
Of
course
they
haven't
made
this
pipe
in.
I
don't
know
how
many
years
and
when
services
are
being
replaced
right
now,
when
the
permits
are
always
permitted
for
type
k,
copper
tubing,
and
that
simply
is
the
only
the
only
change
that
I
think
we're
asking
for
the
revision
in
this
local
law.
E
A
Okay,
and
so
it's
it's
been
aging,
it's
not
being
amended
so
well.
Actually
we
held
it,
so
we
can
pass
it
on
mondays
at
our
meeting,
so
we'll
move
ahead
with
the
local
laundry,
so,
okay
back
to
local
law
see
and
the
amendment.
I'd
also
like
to
add
that
miss
frederick
has
joined
us.
Mr
ballerin
and
council
president
ellis
has
also
joined
us.
I
did
okay.
I
think
I
got
everyone.
Okay,.
A
J
A
Okay,
miss
o'shea
yeah,
yeah
yeah,
but
well
I
mentioned
you
when
I
was
saying
we
didn't
forget
about
it,
but
I
didn't
say
you
were
in
a
meeting.
So
thank
you
for
that.
So,
okay,
let's
continue
through
the
agenda.
That
was
a
lot
jay
that
was
number
nine
on
on
envelope.
Laws
onto
ordinances
introduced
nothing.
A
Two
resolutions
introduced,
and
so
this
this
resolution
these
are
for
installing
the
tele
telecom
equipment
on
on
city,
owns
right
away.
It's
it's
36,
42,
21
and
37
42
21.,
mr
anani.
I
I
believe
wanted
to
sponsor
one
of
those
but
he's
not
in
the
meeting
now,
and
I
know
j.r
reached
out
to
miss
fayhey
and
mr
shea
about
it
and
and.
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A
A
G
A
A
A
F
It's
important
for
departments
to
actually
look
at
what
their
workforce
does
and
hire
appropriately,
not
just
because
they
have
a
budget
line
there,
so
it
was
really
wonderful
that
they
did
that,
and
another
positive
outcome
from
that,
I
would
say,
was
the
highlight
that
there
is
still
this
position
in
the
city
of
albany
that
pays
less
than
fifteen
dollars
an
hour.
We
know
that
the
the
mayor
is
absolutely
in
favor
of
every
city
of
albany
employee,
making.
F
She
said
in
her
budget
speech
at
least
15
52
an
hour,
and
so
that
is
certainly
part
of
their
negotiation.
This
is
a
contract
that
needs
to
be
negotiated.
However,
none
of
the
finance
committee
members
were
comfortable
moving
forward
with
a
position
that
paid
left
less
than
fifteen
dollars
an
hour,
so
I
they
are
in
negotiation.
I've
been
speaking
a
lot
with
the
mayor's
office
about
this.
F
They
are
also
fully
committed
to
ensuring
that
our
that
all
city
of
albany
employees
are
paid
1552
an
hour,
but
I
also
think
it
is
very
important
to
be
clear
and
and
set
guidelines
or
set
deadlines
on
this.
So
this
is
a
resolution
that
says
that
all
city
of
albany
employees
will
be
paid
a
living
wage
of
at
minimum
15
an
hour
by
june
1st.
I
did
tell
the
administration
that
I
would
be
flexible
on
that
date
if
they
needed
more
time.
F
F
It
doesn't
have
any
binding
effect,
I
mean
it,
you
were
absolutely
correct,
and
that
was
something
that
jnr
jr
and
I
talked
about
that.
There
is
not
any
binding
effect
to
this,
and
that
is
one
of
the
issues
with
it.
But,
as
I
said
to
jr,
I
will
be
the
teeth
with
it.
I
would
like
something
official
that
the
council
votes
on
and
and
if
it
is
not
something
it's
moved
forward
with,
then
I'll
be
the
teeth,
and
I
will
make
a
big
stink
about
it.
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F
K
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
put
a
I
just
sent
a
resolution
to
jr
and
you
all
should
be
receiving
it
shortly,
but
it
is
a
resolution
to
honor
the
life
and
legacy
of
minister
janie
jacobs
franklin.
She
was
an
influential
member
of
the
faith
community
and
contribute
much
to
gospel,
music
and
the
community,
and
then
also
she
was
a
member
at
the
time
of
the
citizens.
E
A
J
Don't
know
for
me
I'm
up
in
the
left-hand
corner,
we
know
so
we
had
our
joint
public
hearing
on
the
grants
we've
had.
You
know
this
was
our
on
april
7th.
We
had
our
second
meeting
and
we
previously
had
a
meeting
to
review
the
budget
overall
for
year
47
and
the
allocations
being
made,
and
then
the
process
of
reading
proposals
was
described
to
us
in
that
meeting
and
we
were
notified
of
what
the
tentative
awards
were.
J
The
applicants
were
all
notified
of
that
and
made
aware
that
they
had
an
opportunity
to
appeal
the
determinations
that
were
made.
They
were
excellent
applications.
I
believe
all
members
received
notice
of
what
those
tentative
awards
were
and
to
the
various
organizations.
I
think
it
was
about
15
different
organizations,
so
we
nobody
came
to
appeal,
and
so
we
adopted
the
resolution
as
amended,
because
we
were
amending
the
date
to
reflect
that
there
was
a
public
hearing
on
april
7th.
There
were
other
dates
in
that
resolution.
J
J
A
C
A
If
anyone
has
any
questions
about
it,
I
I
you
know
I
want.
I
made
it
so
the
chief
or
deputy
needed
to
be
on
site
making.
That
call.
I
mean
that
if
you
think
about
adding
these
things
it
it
narrows
down
the
the
likelihood
of
it
it
being
used
you
so
so,
chief
or
deputy
on-site
making.
You
know
making
that
determination
and
again
the
riotous
situation
that
when
we
had
that
public
safety
meeting,
everyone
was
talking
about
riot
and
the
definition
of
riot
and
we're
going
round
and
round.
A
A
There's
a
couple
of
of
these
circumstances
or
issues
that
need
to
exist
in
order
to
to
use
it
and
so
and
of
course,
no
being
no
alternative
either.
I
have
in
there
as
determined
by
that
the
the
chief
or
or
a
deputy
chief
in
in
in
that
instance,
and
also
in
this
this
this
site
included
mr
ballerin's
portion,
that's
similar
to
mr
shay's,
that
included,
you
know,
barricaded
suspect
or
hostage
situation.
That's
also
included
in
it.
A
And
so
again
my
concern
from
experience
is
an
injury.
You
put
you
take
away
the
gas
and
you
put
people
face
to
face
and
in
close
proximity
and
things
could
go
wrong,
and
I
think
we
have
a
responsibility
both
to
our
residents
and
our
police,
that
are
that
are
employees
of
the
city
of
albany
to
to
keep
them
all
safe
and
and
also
that
property
owner
whose
property
may
be
being
damaged,
is
also
a
taxpayer,
and
we
have
a
responsibility
to
him
too.
M
Weapons
in
the
original-
and
you
put
it
back
in
rubber
bullets-
I
try
to
tell
you.
I
have
a
cousin
lost
his
eye
because
of
rubber
bullet.
You
know
they're
doing
this
again
in
ireland
you
see
the
stuff
going
on
a
country
or
a
state
or
a
municipality
that
has
to
use
violence
against
their
own
citizens.
M
M
What
what
was
done
for
you
to
say
well,
we're
taking
away
a
tool
number
one:
it's
not
a
tool,
it's
a
freaking
weapon
and
you
know
it's
meant
to
hurt.
People
meant
to
do
it
now.
You
were
standing
next
to
me
and
so
was
count
the
council
president
corey.
We
were
not
warned
when
that
gas
was
released.
Yeah
there
was
fireworks
and
they
weren't
the
heavy
duty.
They
were
like
m80s
or
cherry
bombs.
And
again
I
questioned
why
weren't
those
people
who
threw
that.
Why
wasn't
there
undercover
out
there?
M
You
know,
I
have
my
suspicion
that
we're
so
undermanned
in
this
police
department
that
we
don't
have
enough
manpower
to
do
it.
We
don't
have
enough
manpower
to
be
out
there
when
this
stuff
is
going
on.
Okay,
now
what
happened
in
minnesota?
The
other
day
the
officer
reached,
thought
she
was
reaching
for
a
taser
reach
for
a
gun
and
kill
the
kid
and
whether
he
had
you
know
it
was
a
traffic
stop
and
the
kid's
dead,
and
you
know
everybody
I
talked
to:
why?
Don't
they
just
let
it
go?
M
Okay
and
we
don't
have
room
to
make
mistakes,
people
under
pressure,
when
we,
when
I
was
with
you
that
night,
those
guys
were
out
in
the
hot
sun
all
day
in
this
riot
gear-
and
you
know
the
tempers
were
ready
to
go
and
instead
of
de-escalating
the
the
what
was
going
on,
we
had
an
escalation
and
it
went
on
a
lot
longer
than
maybe
if
they
would
have
just
calmed
down
and
talked
to
people,
there
was
instigators
there.
You
know
it.
You
saw
it
so
you
know
I'm
not
happy
with
the
changes.
M
M
A
tool
was
hitler
with
the
showers
and
putting
the
jewish
people
in
there
was
that
a
tool,
but
it
was
for
the
public
safety
and
that's
what
we
got
to
worry
about
in
a
democracy,
and
we
saw
our
democracy
almost
slip
away
this
year
we
saw
what
happened
january,
6th
okay,
so
you
know
we
got
we're
on
the
the
edge
there
and
again
I
bring
back
today's
paper.
They
showed
the
protest
in
1986
people
laying
down
at
the
capitol
laying
on
the
ground
protesting
going
into
war
spending
and
putting
our
soldiers
at
arm.
A
That's
it
for
me.
Thank
you,
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
hoey,
I'll,
just
real
quickly.
I
I
see
it
as
as
a
tool.
We
disagree
on
that
to
keep
people
apart
and
safer,
the
idea
of
the
officers
being
out
in
the
crowd
up
there
on
on
henry
johnson
boulevard.
It
was
different
than
down
downtown.
Was
it
it?
A
It's
it's
it's
rough,
it's
it's
a
tough
decision
and
it's
and
it's
really
a
risk.
I
you
were
you
standing
there
when
the
guy
was
about
to
assault.
Mr
ballerin,
were
you
were
you
there?
Hey?
Mr
ho,
I
was
with
the
chief.
He
was
david
yeah.
Mr
ballerin
was
simply
talking
to
the
guy
and
he
was
he
started
going
after
him,
trying
to
calm
him
down
and
again
they
were
not
just
regular
fireworks.
They
were
commercial,
greater
better.
A
A
A
And
it's
not
your
fault,
but
when,
when
you
you
mentioned
how
the
officer
seemed
angry
and
was
pushing
you
along,
you
got
to
remember
they're,
trying
to
secure
ground
behind
them
to
leave
you
with.
They
don't
have
time
to
listen
to
someone
say:
I'm
a
council
member
and
again,
I'm
sorry
for
what
happened
to
you.
A
E
E
It's
I
don't
know
if
tool
is
the
right
word,
but
to
me
I
would
have
difficulty
voting
for
an
absolute
ban
and
to
me
kelly's
amendments.
Answer
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
tom
voiced,
for
example,
there
was
no
warning,
it
should
be
author
authorized
on
the
highest
level.
Obviously
it
wasn't
because
the
chief
has
gotten
the
crossfire
himself
and
I
thought
from
I
didn't.
I
wasn't
there
on
any
of
those
days,
so
I
didn't
see
it,
but
I
heard
kelly's
description
of
her
tom's
description
of
it.
E
E
We
want
what
we
want
is
humane
crowd,
dispersal
and
maybe
it
was
over
overused
during
those
incidents.
I
I
think
I
got
the
impression
from
kelly's
account
of
what
happened
which
I
didn't
see,
but
I
it
makes
me
a
lot
more
comfortable
voting
for
better
control
of
tear
gas
than
just
simply
banning
it.
So
that's
my
perspective.
People
may
disagree,
but
I
like
it
kelly.
I
think
I
think
you
did
an
honest
effort.
The
kinetic
energy,
the
kinetic
devices
you
could
take
that
out
of
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
o'brien.
What
I
also
like
to
add,
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you,
mr
o'shea,
is
that
what
this
is
our
we're
just
adding
this
stuff
to
the
code?
Okay,
it's
not
like.
It
was
part
of
the
law
they
ran,
afoul
of
it
and
and
now
we're
we're
we're
taking
it
away.
This
is
an
instance
where
we're
trying
to
get
better
control
over
this
stuff.
A
J
J
J
The
other
one
says
the
police
have
many
tools
at
their
disposal
for
crowd,
control
and
should
rely
on
de-escalation
techniques
rather
than
tear
gas
and
battle
armor
goals
and
strategies.
There
specifically
say
eliminate
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
decrease
the
militarization
of
the
police
force
goal.
1
ban
the
use
of
tear
gas
and
decrease
the
use
of
military
style
equipment
by
the
albany
police
department.
J
J
The
amendment
also
does
not
address
what
mr
kimbrough
has
raised
in
a
couple
a
couple
times
with
regard
to
following
people
down
the
street
or
pushing
further
out,
so
he
has
stated
that
he
has
disagreed
with
that.
This
does
nothing
to
protect
against
that
and,
frankly,
once
you're
releasing
tear
gas,
it
is.
J
It
is,
then
endless
essentially
there's
you
know:
you're
not
going
to
pull
back
police
and
get
the
situation
under
control
in
a
in
a
different
kind
of
way.
At
that
point,
and-
and
you
know
what
standards
you
come
up
with
for
that,
I
note
that
in
using
the
definition
of
riot
you're
dealing
with
a
group
of
11
or
more
people
causing
alarm
public
alarm,.
J
I
am
not
aware
of
there
being
any
convictions
of
people
being
charged
with
a
riot,
so
you
use
this
terminology,
and,
and
and
and
the
problem
is
there's
a
right
to
free
speech,
there's
a
right
to
assembly
and
how
this
gets
applied,
how
this
language
gets
applied.
So
if
there
are
not
convictions
of
in
the
city
of
albany,
of
people
for
rioting,.
I
J
That's
after
due
process,
so
somebody's
accused
of
writing.
If
they're
accused
of
the
crime
of
of
inciting
a
riot
or
rioting,
then
they
would
get
their
time
in
court
before
punishment
is
imposed
on
the
person
in
this
case.
We're
basically
saying
that
the
police
get
to
decide
that
this
is
now
a
riot
use
that
terminology
and
without
there
being
any
due
process
releasing
the
punishment
of
tear
gas.
J
J
People
say
we
gotta
stop
thinking
in
terms
of
oh,
my
gosh,
this
person,
oh,
we
had
their
id
and
they
didn't
really
need
to
stop
him.
They
could
have
let
him
go,
they
knew
who
he
was.
They
knew
where
to
find
him.
He
knew
where,
to
you
know,
to
charge
him
rather
than
continuing
to
escalate
the
situation.
J
J
M
J
A
Thank
you,
mr
o'shea.
I
didn't
say
it's
going
to
be
violent
this
summer
I
said
it
could
be.
I
can't
predict
the
future
tell
the
future.
So
I
I
didn't.
I
didn't
say
that
when
we
were
talking,
I
said
it
could
be,
it
might
be,
and
what,
if
and
just
going
back
to
the
and
I'll
stop
after
this,
the
the
definition
of
riot
you're
you're
explaining
it
but
you're
saying
violent,
engaging
tumultuous
and
violent
conduct,
but
there's
more
to
it.
A
There
are
other
conditions
that
need
to
exist
intentionally
or
recklessly,
creates
great
risk
of
public
harm.
The
course
resorts
of
that
conduct.
Someone
does
get
gets
harmed,
I
mean
so
there
are
other
pieces
to
that.
It's
not
just
that!
There's
that
behavior
there's
there's
some
other
elements
that
legally
have
to
be
met
in
order
for
it
for
tear
gas
to
be
used,
but,
and
then
also
I.
A
I
don't
think
that
as
members
that
voted
on
the
the
collaboratives
report
or
to
move
forward,
that
plan
is
being
or
going
against
wanting
that
change
by
by
saying
hey,
let's
stop
for
a
minute.
We
don't
think
we
should
get
rid
of
this.
Just
yet,
and
even
the
report
doesn't
say
that
the
goal
is
to
ban
to
ban
it,
but
there's
discussions
around
eliminating
it,
which
I'm
fine
with.
We
need
an
alternative,
though
we
can't
just
take
it
away.
A
A
D
Absolutely
everything
I've
read
about
tear
gas,
it
is
horrible,
absolutely
horrible,
but
but
I
also
understand
that
there
are
situations
where
people
are
out
of
control
and
people's
lives
are
at
risk.
Yes,
property
damage.
That's
we
care
about
that
too,
but
I
am
talking
about
people's
lives
at
risk
when
you
start
throwing
molotov
cocktails
when
you
start
throwing
fireworks
bricks
through
windows,
as
we
heard
that
police
lieutenant
talk
about
where
she
was
injured,
you
know
what
is
the
alternative
here.
D
Why
you
know
tom,
you
asked
why
aren't
people
going
into
crowds
and
de-escalating?
I
agree
with
you:
it's
a
manpower
situation.
Probably
you
can't!
You
can't
go
in
and
shut
every
little
situation
down,
because
things
are
out
of
control.
Now
I
I
I'm
just
so
incredibly
frustrated
with
this,
and
you
know,
thank
god.
We've
only
used
this
tear
gas
twice
in
the
last,
how
many
years
I
I
I
guess,
I'm
gonna
you!
D
It's
you
need
to
have
that
fuller
discussion
about
what
that
means.
You
know
we
need
to
have
that
conversation
about
how
our
police
are
being
trained.
We
need
to
have
that
discussion
about
what
happened
in
this
situation.
Yes,
a
lot
of
mistakes
were
made,
but
there
hasn't
been
a
full
discussion
on
what
could
have
been
done
differently.
D
A
2020
was
a
year
like
no
other
pandemic
aside
race
relations,
george
floyd,
I
mean
we're
we're
we
we're
in
so
far
away
from
where
we've
ever
been
on
these
issues
and
and
and
it's
a
shame
that
some
folks
died,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
here.
We
need
to
work
through
this.
This
is
as
great
a
time
as
ever.
We
have
to
deal
with
this.
The
thing
is,
I
think,
mr
o'shea,
you
think
I'm
against
this.
I
remember
I'm
the
vote
that
got
it
out
of
committee.
A
A
I
do,
but
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
work
ahead
and
we
we
gotta
talk
through
this
stuff
and
and
and
move
forward
together,
and
I
I
don't
think
we're
doing
that,
and
so,
mr
I
I
go
made
a
point
during
the
our
lengthy
four-hour
public
safety
meeting,
saying:
hey
we're
going
round
and
round
with
this
stuff,
but
the
rest
of
the
council's.
Not
here
we
don't
the
people
that
are
going
to
make
these
decisions
aren't
even
a
part
of
the
conversation
so
I'll
I'll.
A
M
Kelly,
it
was
closer
to
five
hours,
but
you
mentioned
I've
been
bringing
this
up
since
I've
been
on
the
council.
We
are
short
policemen
and
you
know
at
least
60,
and
you
know,
then
you
have
the
back
office,
we're
short
dispatchers
before
covet,
so
we
can't
use
coven
as
an
excuse.
Community
policing
has
disappeared.
I
don't
have
a
community
policeman
up
in
the
15th
ward
now
and
we
do
have
crime
up
here.
So
I
mean
yeah.
There
are
problems
out
there
and
we
have
discussed
it
now
shut
up
right
now.
Thank
you.
A
Right
and
yeah
that
wasn't
what
I
meant
by
the
year,
like
no
other
I
mean
folks
of
color,
are
fed
up
and
and
we're
at
a
point
we're
at
an
inflection
point
and
something's
got
to
give
and
something's
got
to
change
this
police
community
relationship
needs
to
be
reworked.
It
absolutely
does
that's
what
I
meant
by
saying
that
not
not
anything
else.
F
F
E
F
F
F
It
wasn't
nice
40
years
ago
they
used
fire
hoses,
they
used
batons,
people
got
the
crap,
be
it
out
of
them.
That's
also
not
a
good
solution,
however,
that
second
night-
and
I
did
I'm
thankful-
I
did
not
get
the
tear
gas
like
tom-
did.
I
was
walking
down,
and
so
I
got
like
the
after
effects
of
it
and
I
stayed
with
the
crowd
a
bit.
F
That
was
completely
unacceptable
and
I
fully
believe
that
we
need
to
have
a
legislation
that
creates
a
difference
between
what
can
happen
on
those
two
nights,
because
that
second
night,
I
I
I
that
I
think
the
police
were
as
much
at
fault,
if
not
more
at
fault.
For
anything
that
happened
in
that
situation
than
the
people
that
were
there.
F
F
There
are
residents
that
were
impacted
by
this,
and
that-
and
I
I
mean
I
think
dj's
here
dj-
is
one
of
the
people
that
was
really
part
of
a
lot
of
things
and
I
saw
his
hand
go
up
and
down.
So
I
am
curious
what
he
has
to
say
on
it,
but
I
I
think
that
legislation
is
incredibly
important
on
this
and-
and
I
just
ultimately
I
have-
I
believe
we
have
to
have
rules
on
this.
But
the
other
piece
is.
F
The
mayor
has
been
pretty
upfront
about
saying
that
she
would
veto
council
member
to
shed
legislation
which
brings
us
back
to
square
one
with
this.
So
I
think
the
broader
question
that
we
have
to
ask
is:
do
we
want
some
sort
of
regulation
or
not
I
mean,
and
I
I
would
love
to
see,
something
that
we
could
support
and
move
forward
with.
That
will
actually
get
enacted,
and
I
personally
would
love
to
see
that
sooner
rather
than
later,.
A
N
N
It
wasn't
a
need
for
it
at
that
time
and-
and
I
just
want
to
have
like
I
just
want
to
paint
a
picture
because
sometimes
some
of
these
incidents
that
we're
talking
about
is
coming
off
of
people
getting
poked
at
and
you
know
like.
I
don't
think
it's
fair
that
a
person
can
poke
at
someone
and
then
when
they
respond
to
being
poked
at
you
know,.
N
They
have
to
be
subjected
to
different
things,
and
you
know
the
reference
of
tear
gas
as
a
tool
would
be
like
old
school
in
elementary
when
when
when,
when
kids
got
out
of
line,
you
know
when
I
was
when
I
first
started
out
school.
I
used
to
get
paddled
in
school
and
those
powder
that
hurt
and
but
it
also
left
a
stain
on
you
every
time
I
walk
in
arbor
hill
elementary
school.
I
don't
care
what
the
occasion
is.
I
still
think
about
mr
edmund
o'neill,
giving
me
the
battle
and
so
what
we?
N
N
So
it's
not
a
tool,
it's
not
helping.
It's
not
making
anything
go
away,
and
so
I
just
think
that
when
you
abuse
something
you
don't
get,
you
don't
get
to
say:
okay,
we're
gonna,
we're
just
gonna
use
it
like
this
now,
and
I
just
think
that
you
know
we're
getting
away
from.
You
know
honest
conversations.
We
need
culturally
responsive
education,
training
for
our
police
officers.
We
understand
that
we
have
a
police
force
that
is
not
from
this
city.
N
We
understand
that
we
have
people
that
come
in
to
this
job
that
are
scared
as
ever,
and
that's
an
unfortunate
situation
that
we
don't
have
albanians
on
that
police
force
like
we
used
to,
because
people
keep
on
acting
about
what
was
the
difference
in
the
the
uproars
of
the
past.
It
was
more
people
from
the
city,
and
so
why
aren't
we
having
a
conversation
about
conflict
resolution
team?
N
Well,
you
know
these
lives
that
are
being
lost
when
things
aren't
out
of
control
are
stains
that
are,
we
have
to
live
with
each
and
every
day
with
social
media
replaying
it
over
and
over
and
over
again,
and
so
what
I
ask
everyone
to
do
is
think
about
what
you
heard
from
the
second
ward,
the
second
war,
and
it
wasn't
just
black
people
was
white
people
as
well.
That
are
adamantly
against.
N
You
know
like
that
was
a
different
type
of
trauma
that
our
community
experienced
that
night
and
here
it
is
a
year
later,
and
people
are
adamantly
and-
and
I
just
say
this
as
a
council-
I
don't
want
to
be
part
of
a
group-
that's
not
hearing
what
the
people
are
saying.
You
know
we
ask
people
to
come
to
our
meetings,
we
ask
people
to
share
their
feelings
and
how
they
really
feel,
and
it
just
seems
like
when
the
people
speak,
they
don't
get
with
what
they're
looking
for.
N
L
The
comment
about
we
haven't
heard
about
like
what
the
what
the
police
force
got
from
the
events
last
summer,
what
the
changes,
what
the
changes
they'd
implement
were.
We
did
actually
during
the
public
safety
meeting.
All
of
you
know,
I
think
a
two-hour
presentation
give
and
take
right
at
the
end.
We
had
a
lessons
learned
slide
and
it
was
essentially
they
would
get
louder
speakers.
L
There
was
a
couple
other
things
that
I
don't
want
to.
You
know
diminish,
but
it
was
very
much
not
what
we
thought
we
were
looking
for.
At
least
you
know
speak
for
myself.
I
thought
I
was
looking
for
in
terms
of
you
know.
We
learned
that
what
we
did
was
wrong
or
what
we
did
could
have
been
done
better,
except
it
was
nothing
of
that
it
was
more
so
of
we
need
louder
speakers.
L
We
need
to
do
this
and
it
was
very
like
very
shortcoming
in
my
opinion,
so
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
The
other
thing
is
I
apologize
and
I
haven't
heard
anything,
but
the
comment
about
the
veto.
I
would
like
some
a
little
bit
more
clarity
on
that
piece
because
I
haven't
heard
anything
myself
and
so
just
a
little
thrown
off.
So
if
anybody
has
any
contacts
and
can
share,
that
would
be
very
helpful
for
me.
A
Yeah,
and
so
can
am
I
on
yeah,
just
through
discussions
about
the
issue
and
about
the
legislation.
It
was
stated
that
it
would
be
vetoed
so
that
that's
where
we're
at
and
my
thing
is,
I
wanted
to
try
to
make
some
changes
and
put
something
in
place.
Maybe
maybe
what'll
happen
is
we'll
end
up
starting
all
over
again.
A
The
original
version
before
I
well,
while
I
was
coming
up
with
something
that
was
mentioned
before
I
even
you
know,
embarked
upon
my
my
effort
to
to
change
it.
I've
been
thinking
about
it
from
after
our
meeting
and
had
gotten
over,
and
we
had
a
meeting
with
the
mayor,
and
that
was
one
of
the
issues.
D
I
just
want
to
sonia.
I
want
to
respond
to
your
comment
about
you,
know
the
police
being
there
and
giving
recommendations
and
so
on.
I
was
very
disappointed
with
their
presentation
and
I
don't
think
they
get.
It
was
a
full
discussion
about
you
know
their
thoughts
about
you
know
using
tear
gas
versus
versus
de-escalation
techniques.
I
don't
think
they
did
a
great
job
there.
D
K
Thank
you
so
much.
I
just.
I
want
to
really
quickly
say
that
last
year,
when
the
incident
incident
occurred
on
second
street
near
henry
johnson
at
a
police
station,
I
was
actually
one
of
the
council
members
who
was
a
part
of
that
when
everything
the
when
the
tear
gas
got
dispersed-
and
I
just
want
to
say
before
the
tear
gas
got
dispersed
many
of
my
colleagues
who
were
there,
we
were
actually
in
the
crowd
talking
to
people
and
we
were
actually
actually
ourselves
de-escalating
the
situation.
K
However,
there
was
a
flashbanger
that
went
in
there
and
automatically
immediately
that's
when
the
tear
gas
started
to
fly.
There
was
no
warnings,
given
there
was
no
anything
given
to.
Let
us
know
that
that
was
about
to
occur,
and
that
was
actually
a
very
scary
feeling,
knowing
that
this
is
my
district,
and
I
do
have
seniors
that
live
on
that
block
and
it
was
a
summer's
night
who
people
had
their
windows
open.
K
It
permeates
the
community
so
to
say,
and
more
than
and
more
people
are
affected
than
just
that
immediate
crowd.
So
I
believe
that
we
need
to
really
stay
on
our
police
department
that
they
need
to
come
up
with
some
alternative
for
crowd
dispersal,
but
I
won't
be
in
support
of
any
changes
to
the
current.
A
A
It
just
kind
of
just
kept,
you
know
being
used
and
and
that's
how
you
got
that
that
build
up,
I
believe
and
it
and
it
did
what
it
did,
but
also
I
disagree
that
it
was.
There
was
only
one
flashbang.
I
was
right
there
too,
there
was
probably
two
or
three
boom
boom
boom
and
then
they
started
deploying.
But
then
you
know
from
the
position
they
were
in.
A
O
O
O
I
think
that
would
I
know
people
didn't
agree
with
my
amendments
and
I
respect
that.
I
respect
those
individuals,
many
of
those
individuals
and
my
friends
who
did
not
agree
with
my
amendments,
and
I
respect
that
and
I
respect
their
viewpoints
and
I
respect
where
they
come
from,
and
I
get
that.
I
am
glad
that
we
were
looking
to
add
the
you
know.
If
we,
if
there's
a
gunman,
you
know
scenario,
I
do
think
that
will
save
lives.
O
I
do
and
it's
a
different
perspective,
a
different
experience
and
I
get
that
and
I
respect
it
and
I'm
willing
to
have
a
conversation
with
anybody
that
doesn't
agree
with
me
on
that.
I
also
think
we
need
to
have
more
conversation
on
mr
kimbrough's
amendments.
I
don't
agree
with
and
I
want
to
be
very
clear.
I
don't
think
we
should
ever
have
officers
ever
have
offices
chasing
people
with
tanks,
downside
streets,
throwing
tear
gas.
O
You
know
downside
streets,
unnecessary
people
are
trying
to
run
away
they're
trying
to
get
away
from
it.
You
don't
need
to
chase
them
with
a
tank,
so
I
think
I'm
glad
we're
starting
to
have
a
conversation
on
this.
I
know
it's
a
sensitive
topic.
I
know
because
it's
such
a
sensitive
topic.
You
know
there
is
the.
O
O
We
took
on
these
roles
to
take
on
tough
issues
and
to
listen
to
individuals
and
try
to
make
policy
that
can
pass
and
that
can
create
a
better
situation
for
our
residents.
So
I'm
glad
we're
having
this
discussion.
I'm
glad
that
you,
you
know.
I
don't
agree
with
all
your
all
your
amendments,
mr
greenberg,
but
I'm
glad
you
brought
some
of
your
issues
up
and
I'd
like
for
council
members
to
bring
their
issues
up,
bring
their
concerns
up.
O
M
M
M
That
the
police
were
over
overly
aggressive
and
they
whacked
the
guy
and
pepper,
sprayed
him.
So
now
you
got
you
know,
we
got
120
people
watching
this
and
maybe
wanting
to
join
the
the
latest
riot.
We
really
need
to
de-escalate,
and
you
know
if
I
had
the
answer,
the
silver
bullet.
I
I'd
be
glad
to
do
it
and
I
shared
councilwoman's
faggy's
frustration,
but
this
has
been
a
little
and
you
said
it
too
kelly.
M
Okay,
sometimes
people
just
want
to
talk.
I
had
one
of
the
worst
days
of
my
life
yesterday
and
beginning
today
I
called
jenny
up
and-
and
we
talked-
and
I
felt
so
much
better
after
talking-
it
had
nothing
to
do
with
this,
but
it
was
other
things
going
on.
Sometimes
people
just
need
to
talk
and
be
able
to
have
people
that
they're
being
listened
to.
What
I'm
hearing
right
now
is
that
the
council
isn't
listening
to
what
the
people
want
and
we
got
a
serious
problem.
N
A
N
C
C
G
A
Was
a
lot
there
were
a
lot
of
canisters
flying
in
different
directions,
so
it
wasn't
just
one
or
two:
it
was
heavy.
It
was.
It
was
a
lot
I
mean
from
where
you
were.
I
was
just
on
the
other
side
of
that
that
railing
when
everything
started,
you
guys
were
all
in
there
with
the
chief.
I
was
in
front
of
you
and
so
boom
boom
boom,
and
then
they
started
throwing.
So
it
was
the
number
of
canisters
that
kept
getting
thrown.
C
So
the
crowd
was
locked,
the
crowd
was
large
and
it
got
larger
as
we
were
there,
one
of
the
people
that
started,
throwing
the
firecrackers
or
the
quarter
sticker
dynamite.
Whatever
you,
you
know
want
to
call
it.
We
would.
We
were
told
by
one
of
the
people
that
was
standing
there
with
sonia
and
I
that
we
need
to
get
back
on
the
other
side
of
the
fence,
because
the
guy
on
the
on
the
left
of
us
is
going
to
start
throwing
quarter
six
of
dynamite.
C
I
don't
think
I
what
I
think
was
when,
when
somebody
did
throw
some
some
firecrackers
or
a
quarter
stick
of
dynamite,
the
canisters
started
going
off
it
was
it
wasn't
just
one
and
then
they
waited
to
see
if
anybody
dispersed
they
just
so.
What
are
you
trying
to
say?
How
are
we
going
to
control
this?
I'm
asking
you
so
you
got
300
people
out
there
and
you
got
people
throwing.
C
A
A
That's
maybe
the
chief
made
the
call
or
someone
made
the
call,
but
I
think
maybe
just
holding
ground
might
have
been
better
because
again
it
went
up.
It
went
up
second
street
and
then
came
out
to
northern
boulevard
and
started
pushing
towards
towards
clinton
avenue.
So
again,
I
think
that
decision
was
made
at
some
level
and
the
police
department
should
clear
everyone.
C
Well,
I'm
against
the
tear
gas,
but
we
we
we
have
to
do.
We
do
have
to
find
some
type
of
alternative.
I
mean
I've
got
my
neighbors
over
here.
Sheldon
avenue
got
hit
hard
over
here
and
all
night
long.
I'm
getting
phone
calls
from
my
constituents
that
the
window
was
open
because
it
was
beautiful
out
and
they
got
hit
with
the
tear
gas.
We
had
some
people
sitting
out,
so
I
I
I
I
like
to
ban
the
tear
gas,
but
we
do
have
to
come
up
with
some
type
of
other
alternative.
C
F
I
I
just
wanted
you
to
do
a
quick
note
about,
and
this
is
so
it's
really
important
as
we're
talking
about
the
different
things
that
are
happening,
that
we
use
the
term
protest
and
not
riot
just
because
they're
very
different
things.
So
I
like
not-
and
I
think
it's
easy
for
us
as
we're
talking
passionately
and
to
mention
things,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that,
because
we're
moving
forward
to
make
sure
that
we're
using
the
language
that
matters
because
language
does
matter,
so
that's
it.
I
I
lived
in
ireland
for
a
year.
I
was
there
when
they
had
what
they
call
bloody
sunday,
okay
and
that
had
been
going
on
for
the
relations
between
the
protestants
and
the
catholics
for
hundreds
of
years.
Okay,
we
finally
had
some
agreement
over
there,
the
good
peace
that
senator
what's
his
name.
I
forget.
Okay,
he
put
it
together,
it's
falling
apart
again,
okay,
600
years,
the
catholics
were
being
just
relegated
the
same
as
black
people
in
the
south
war
and
before
before
the
slaves
started
getting
brought
over
in
the
1600s.
I
We
lived
under
peanut
laws
still
to
this
day,
it's
built
in
it's
built
into
the
minds
of
people.
I
don't
know
how
I
ever
get
out
okay,
but
jenny
just
mentioned.
What's
the
difference
between
a
protest
and
a
riot
well
over
here
on
this
bloody
sunday?
Okay,
you
had
a
group
of
catholics.
A
group
of
protestant
youth
start
throwing
bricks
at
each
other,
okay,
this
and
that
what
happened?
I
don't
know
it
was
the
brit's
way
of
saying
de-escalation,
okay,
but
they
start
firing
all
on
one
side.
I.
G
I
Deadly
against
the
bullets
that
they,
the
rubber
bullets
that
they
used
over
there
they're
about
this
long
projectiles.
Okay,
I
understand
the
projectiles
who's
here,
more
of
a
beanbag
type
of
thing,
but
I
just
don't
know
I
mean
there's
all
sorts
of
studies
done.
They
you
know,
put
people
together
and
they
there
were
changes
made.
They've
lasted
for
a
while
or
again,
but
I
don't
know,
and
then
I
all
I
think
about
two
was
you
know
people
brought
up
again
january
6th?
What
was
that?
I
I
don't
know
start
us,
I
don't
know,
what
would
you
call
a
star,
a
protest
or
right?
Did
it
end
up
as
a
riot
should
tear
gas
had
been
used?
There
were
people
that
were
killed.
Will
they
still
be
alive
if
they
used
that
tool
if
they
had
the
okay
to
do
it
if
they
had
better
intelligence?
As
you
know,
tom
was
saying,
and
there
is-
and
we
are
undermanned
and
when
tom
said
that
someone
should
be
undercover
in
that
crowd
a
week
before
that
tom,
you
said:
what
are
you?
Are
you
a
cop?
I
Well,
if
they
thought
you
were
a
cop
out
there?
Would
you
like
to
be
one
okay
with
all
those
people?
I
I
don't
know
you
think
they're
gonna
help
you
or
say
what
are
you
get
the
hell
out
of
here?
You
know
so
many
questions
come
up
and
I
I
have
no
way
of
people
making
a
suggestion.
Are
the
people,
the
professionals
on
this
that
have
done
background
studies
on
it?
We
haven't
heard
from
anyone
whether
it's
in
the
federal
government,
and
maybe
it
was
law
enforcement.
I
It
was
the
fbi
that
they
teach
at
quantico
or
whatever,
but
something
we
have
to
make.
You
have
to
have
some
kind
of
alternative,
because
if
this
thing
I
mean
we
could
have
a
protest
outside
the
capitol
okay,
be
in
the
capitol
anything
could
happen
and
what
are
we
going
to
do?
What
are
we
going
to
do?
Let
it
you
know
what,
if
it's
outside
city
hall,
what
are
we
going
to
do?
I
I
A
A
Just
like
the
reform
process,
the
collaborative
it's
it's
a
moving
living
breathing
thing
and
we
have
to
roll
with
the
punches
and
change
where
we
need
to
so
with
that
all
right
I'll
pack.
What
I
offered
in
and
we'll
move
forward
on
on
monday,
okay,
so
I'd
make
the
motion
to
to
in
the
meeting
to
adjourn
so
all
right,
y'all
be
safe
and
I'll.
See
you
soon.