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From YouTube: April 28, 2021 Caucus
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Discussed the May 3, 2021 Agenda.
Chief of Police reported on incident at South Station
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C
Okay,
all
right,
we'll
we'll
we'll
get
started,
welcome
everyone
to
our
wednesday
april
28th
caucus
for
the
record
members
present
our
miss
farrell,
mr
hoey,
mr
o'brien,
mr
igo,
mr
anani,
mr
conte,
president
council,
president
ellis
council,
member
ballerin,
council,
member,
frederick,
we're
also
our
staff
clerk,
daniel
gillespie
and
j.r
prachardo.
Our
research
council,
along
with
we
also
have
council,
member
fahey
and
corp
council
brett
williams,
we're
joined
by
the
police
chief
albany
police
chief.
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G
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C
Okay,
under
local
laws
under
local
laws
held
we'll
be
dealing
well.
Excuse
me,
we
won't
actually
local
laws.
Fg
h
and
I
that
were
slated
to
be
you
know,
moved-
will
be
held
with
corp
council
and
our
our
council
and
and
they're
trying
to
get
together
to
make
the
legislation
better
so
they're,
they're
gonna,
be
some
changes
made
and
we're
working
through
that,
so
that
stuff
is,
is
not
moving
forward.
This
meeting,
okay.
C
C
Right:
okay,
thank
you.
He
has
too
much
ground
to
cover.
So
next
on
to
ordnance
is
introduced,
ordinance,
12,
5121
by
miss
love
and
she's.
Not
here,
it's
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
sale
of
256
livingston
avenue
to
up
to
brenda
and
258
livington
avenue
to
brenda
robinson
that'll
be
going
to
the
finance
committee.
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C
C
K
Yeah,
I
would
like
to
to
move
it
to
pass
at
the
meeting
if
possible.
This
is
in
relation
to
a
proposal
by
waste
management
inc
currently
with
the
dec,
not
sorry
for
the
background
noise
not
fully
approved
by
the
dec
by
any
means,
but
they're
looking
to
hold
municipal
solid
waste
at
the
transfer
station
at
the
port.
There's
a
lot
of
concern
from
the
community
around
this.
K
As
this
is
an
environmental
justice
community
and
the
the
impact
of
having
such
waste
being
stored,
there
could
lead
to
health
defects,
air
quality.
You
know
in
a
number
of
various
things
and
there's
already
so
much
going
on
down
there,
particularly
with
our
as
apprentice
residents
as
well.
So
this
was
proposed
also
back
in
2009.
L
Yes,
I
miss
part
of
what
councilwoman
said,
but
I
just
would
say
that
the
same
sentiments
and
concerns
that
were
shared
by
the
neighborhood
association
up
by
toast
would
be
the
same
concerns
that
we
would
have,
and
you
know,
and
on
top
of
the
number
of
issues
that
that
community
is
already
dealing
with.
You
know,
you
know,
I
feel
strongly
against
it,
and
you
know
at
this
point
that's
the
position
that
I'm
going
to
take
and
I'm
asking
if
everyone
could
support
it.
I
I
ask
a
question:
can
can
you
get?
I
do
remember
that
they
had
applied
once
before.
I
didn't
realize
it
was
2009
and
it
was
denied
the
the
the
problem
with
municipal
sideways
is
that
is
garbage.
You
know,
that's
real
food
waste
stuff
and
that's
what
stinks
and
growth
rats
and
everything
else
and-
and
it
was
tonight
it
would
help
us
a
lot
if
we
could
get
that
previous
denial
decision,
because
I'm
sure
it's
the
same
situation
now.
I
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K
An
advancement,
so
there
was
one
intended
for
this
thursday.
It
was
supposed
to
be
a
public
meeting
about
this
topic,
but
they've
postponed
based
on
community
conversations.
They've
had
the
response
was
that
they're
going
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
trying
to
add
additional
mitigation
features?
I'm
sure
they
are
hearing
similar
sentiments
from
community
members
that
you
know
they
don't
want
to
see
this
happen
so
to
be
determined
when
that
would
take
place.
M
Yes,
I'm
fine
with
passing
this.
I
do
want
to
note
that
I
listened
dominic
posted
a
link
to
an
interview
that
he
had
on
a
radio
show
it's
about
a
10
minute
thing,
excellent,
excellent
review
of
the
issues
and
and
especially
how
the
mitigation
that
they've
proposed
is
laughable,
and
otherwise
the
impact
of
this
on
the
community
really
helped
me
understand
the
issues,
and
I
appreciated
that,
and
so
of
course,
I'm
supporting
this.
Thank
you
and
I'd
like
to
be
a
sponsor.
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D
All
right,
thank
you.
Councilman
kimbrough,
and
you
know
first
like
to
thank
the
council
for
an
opportunity
to
share
information
regarding
the
decision
to
remove
individuals
who
were
encamped
on
our
street
in
front
of
the
south
station.
So
my
comments
tonight
will
cover
four
major
topics.
You
know.
First,
it
will
be
the
decision-making
process
that
led
to
the
removal
of
the
demonstrators.
D
D
But,
on
the
other
hand,
we
immediately
recognized
that
the
public
occupation
and
the
shutting
down
of
a
public
street
directly
in
front
of
the
police
station
was
a
serious
public
safety
issue.
We
knew
right
away
that
this
was
different
than
say
occupying
a
city
park.
It
was
clear
that
this
occupation
would,
to
some
degree
negatively
impact
the
delivery
of
police
services
to
the
community.
D
D
The
encampment
subsequently
grew
from
one
or
two
tenths
to
as
many
as
a
dozen
for
safety
purposes.
All
police
vehicles
were
removed
and
relocated
from
the
south
station
parking
lot
and
the
system
for
deploying
officers
was
adjusted.
The
south
station
was
closed
and
members
of
the
community
no
longer
had
access
to
that.
Building.
D
Arch
and
trinity
streets
were
no
longer
accessible
for
vehicular
traffic,
impacting
emergency
vehicle
travels
and
deliveries
in
that
area.
Protesters
within
the
encampment
made
it
very
clear
that
they
would
not
leave
until
several
demands
were
met.
Now,
as
chief,
I
have
an
obligation
to
listen
to
the
concerns
of
a
wide-ranging
and
diverse
group
of
stakeholders.
While
assessing
issues
like
these-
and
I
did-
I
had
heartfelt
conversations
with
elected
officials,
residents,
community
activists,
police
personnel,
city
employees,
law
enforcement
officials
at
all
levels,
and
I
found
that
this
was
as
polarizing
an
issue
as
I've.
D
Seen
in
my
entire
career,
good
well-intentioned,
rational
and
balanced
people
simply
saw
and
continue
to
see
this
issue
much
differently.
I
listen
to
all
viewpoints
I
empathize
with
those
on
opposite
sides
of
the
issue.
Their
input
factored
into
my
decision-making
process
from
the
start
to
the
very
end
of
this
encampment.
D
But
here
are
some
here's
an
important
point
that
can't
be
overstated,
encampments
like
what
we
saw
directly
impact
public
safety
operations,
and
it
is
not
a
static
situation.
Instead,
those
types
of
encampments
are
fluid
and
rapidly
changing.
It
was
suggested
that
we
simply
wait
them
out
continue
with
mediation
efforts
give
them
time,
but
that
is
not
the
reality
when
dealing
with
encampments
like
this
public
safety
and
security
threats
change
on
an
hourly
basis.
D
D
Okay,
so
what
we're
showing
right
now
is
how
the
scene
changed
at
the
south
station,
where
the
encampment
was
was
taking
place
from
the
very
outset
until
the
very
end.
So
what
you're
seeing
right
now
is
what
we
saw
roughly
a
day
later
that
sunday,
the
day
after
and
we'll
progress
through
some
of
the
screens
just
to
show
the
progression
of
of
change
over
time.
D
So
this
is
monday
at
around
8
pm,
and
you
can
see
that
we're
starting
to
see
a
little
bit
more
at
the
facing
of
the
property.
The
the
size
of
the
crowd
is
starting
to
escalate
a
little
bit
as
well
somewhere
around
tuesday
evening,
we
started
to
see
an
escalation
in
which
individuals
as
you're,
seeing
on
the
screen
here,
we're
standing
on
the
police
vehicles.
D
D
D
Steve
so
just
to
be
clear
up
to
that
point,
I
was
in
continuous
communication
with
many
different
stakeholders
in
the
community
people
on
both
sides
of
the
issue,
but
once
the
incident
became
a
police
tactical
operation
and
was
limited
in
the
type
of
communications
I
could
have
with
those
stakeholders.
You
know
this
was
not
a
slight
to
anyone,
but
a
matter
of
protocol
that
maximized
the
chances
of
successfully
disbanding
the
encampment
without
injuries
to
officers
or
protesters
the
operation
to
disband
the
encampment
began.
D
D
It
didn't
matter
if
we
gave
them
15
minutes
or
15
days,
they
clearly
had
no
intent
to
leave
20
minutes
before
we
gave
even
gave
notice
to
the
protesters
protesters
who
were
tipped
off
that
the
police
would
be
asking
them
to
leave.
They
began
stealing
garbage
dumpsters
from
a
nearby
building
and
barricading
the
street
15
minutes
before
20
minutes
before
they
were
even
given
notice.
They
began
lighting
fires
in
the
street
and
otherwise
visibly
preparing
themselves
to
resist
any
efforts
to
end
their
unlawful
occupation.
D
Nonetheless,
police
officers
approached
the
group
to
advise
them
that
they
had
15
minutes
to
leave
and
just
to
be
clear
had
they
started
the
process
of
disbanding
the
encampment
but
indicated
that
they
needed
a
little
more
time
to
finish.
We
certainly
would
have
accommodated
them.
They
never
made
that
request
and
they
in
their
intentions,
showed
exactly
the
opposite.
Instead,
the
officers
were
met
with
profanities
vulgarities
hostilities.
D
D
They
decided
to
continue
violating
the
law
and
risking
a
confrontation
with
the
police.
A
decision
was
made
to
physically
move
the
protesters
from
the
space,
and
so
I'm
going
to
steve
smith
is
going
to
show
just
a
short,
a
couple
of
short
clips.
That
just
shows
the
officers
as
they
made
attempts
to
give
notice
that
the
protesters
had
15
minutes
to
leave,
and
it
shows
the
response
from
the
protesters
to
that.
D
There's
no
sound
to
this
one
right,
okay,
so
what
you're
seeing
right
now
is
they
have?
We
have
not
yet
given
notice
that
they
were
going
to
be
required
to
leave.
They
were
tipped
off
by
someone
that
the
the
police
would
be
requiring
them
to
leave.
So
this
is
approximately
20
minutes
before
the
officers
even
made
contact
with
them
to
let
them
know
that
they
had
15
minutes
to
leave
and,
as
we
see
here,
they
are
making
preparations
to
barricade
the
street
even
before
being
given
no
notice.
D
D
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O
O
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D
At
piggies,
okay,
so
just
to
set
the
scene
here
again.
This
is
this
is
when
the
officers
are
coming
out
to
advise
the
protesters
that
they
have
15
minutes
in
order
to
leave
the
encampment.
At
this
point
they
had
already,
as
you
can
see,
barricaded
the
streets.
They
had
started
lighting
a
fire
and
in
otherwise
making
all
indications
that
they
were
not
going
to
be
compliant
with
any
orders
or
directors
to
leave
the
to
leave
the
area.
O
G
O
D
O
O
O
D
So
those
who
wanted
to
leave
without
any
interactions
with
the
officers
were
given
an
opportunity
to
do
so
in
fact
many
left
voluntarily
and
had
no
interactions
with
the
police.
There
were
others,
however,
who
knowingly
decided
to
continue
to
violate
the
law.
They
decided
to
stay
in
risk
of
physical
confrontation
with
the
officers.
Under
these
circumstances,
had
there
been
compliance
with
the
lawful
orders
to
leave,
there
would
not
have
been
any
physical
contact
between
officers
and
protesters,
and
so
with
respect
to
the
degree
of
force
that
was
used
when
removing
the
protesters
from
the
encampment.
D
As
with
any
use
of
force,
a
review
will
be
and
is
being
undertaken
to
determine
if
it
was
appropriate
force.
Even
the
appropriate
use
of
force.
Seldom
looks
nice
under
these
circumstances,
especially
when
it
involves
people
who
knowingly
decide
to
violate
the
law
and
not
comply
with
lawful
orders
to
leave,
and
as
if
and
as
with
any
case,
we
would
determine
whether
the
officers
actions
were
consistent
with
their
training.
D
D
That
matter
is
being
looked
into
and
we
will
take
the
appropriate
corrective
action
as
necessary
as
it
pertains
to
that.
But
there
are
two
important
issues
at
play
with
respect
to
the
badge
issue.
First,
the
officers
were
not
concealing
their
badge
numbers
for
nefarious
reasons.
They
were
doing
so
to
protect
their
families.
D
There
have
been
recent
incidents
in
which
people
have
obtained
the
names
of
officers,
somehow
use
that
information
to
obtain
personal
information
about
those
officers
and
their
families
and
where
they
live,
and
threats
have
been
issued
against
the
officers
and
their
families,
including
threats
to
rape,
wives
and
children
and
destroy
homes.
This
was
widely
known
among
the
officers.
D
D
D
D
L
Chief
is
like
I
sit
here,
I
didn't
see
any
of
this.
You
know
I
was
unavailable,
so
some
of
this
stuff
is
the
first
time
that
I'm
actually
getting
a
chance
to
to
hear
it.
But
this
I
want
to
start
out
by
this
officer
anderson
if
he
was
holding
the
the
speaker
phone
or
the
megaphone
and
a
resident,
snatched
it
out
of
his
hand
or
and
pushed
him
over.
How
would
that
resonate
resident
been
received.
D
L
D
L
L
D
L
L
You
you,
you
mentioned
that
the
the
names
on
on
their
uniforms
were
covered
up
and
that's
not
policy.
They
did
that
they
did
that
right
in
front
of
the
police
station
at
you
know,
in
a
heightened
time
like
this,
and
I
I
just
say
to
this-
you
know
I
sympathize.
You
know,
anytime,
that
I
hear
that
people
are
in
unfortunate
situations.
If
I
know
him
I
reach
out
to
him,
because
I
don't
wish
that
on
anyone
for
families
to
be
receiving
threats
or
anything
like
that.
L
But
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you.
Chief
people
that
have
been
working
for
ab
apd
have
been
using
their
privileges
to
dissect
our
backgrounds.
You
know,
while
they're
working
off
work
and
retirement-
and
you
know,
for
you
know
it's
stuff
that
come
with
the
territory.
You
know
like
I'm
a
homeschool
coordinator,
and
I
can
call
someone
about
something
simple.
L
When
I
get
cursed
out
all
day
long
and
it
doesn't
as
never
do
am
I
allowed
to
respond
back
by
cursing
because
we
have
a
a
duty
to
be
professional
and
so
like
what
I'm
hearing
is
the
language
that
you
know.
These
are
protesters,
and
you
know
when
you
gave
the
warning
to
the
group
and
the
people
that
left
they
were
protesters
right.
The
people
that
stayed
they
were
they're
activists
and
you
know,
activists
are
prepared
to
go
down
for
the
calls.
You
know
they
took
a
app.
L
You
know
it's
a
very
difficult
situation,
because
you
know
I've
reached
out
to
you
several
times
that
you
know
residents
were,
you
know,
had
a
lot
of
concerns.
You
know
and
I'm
gonna
go
on
record.
You
never
really
hear
me
me
and
kathy
sheehan
on
the
same.
You
know
in
agreement,
but
you
know
what
I
I'd
imagine
she
was
getting
calls
because
I
was
getting
calls.
L
L
L
It's
been
enough
time
to
see
where,
in
hindsight
we
could
have
did
something
different,
and
you
know
it's
those
moments
right
there
that
you
know
accountability
is
taken
that
you
know
you
know
people
will
feel
like
they
were
hurt
and
so
like
it
it
just.
You
know
like
it's
a
one-sided
presentation,
it's
a
one-sided.
It
was
like.
I,
I
heard
nothing
about
what
we
learned
from
this.
L
D
So
yeah
just
so,
I
can
comment
respond
quickly
to
that
councilman
johnson.
I
never
defended
the
practice
of
concealing
their
badges.
I
never
said
it
was
right.
In
fact,
I
said
that
we're
going
to
look
at
that
and
make
the
determination
as
to
what
the
appropriate
corrective
action
should
be.
I
simply
gave
an
explanation
as
to
why
it
was
done,
and
I
only
did
that
for
context.
D
You
know
because
that
issue
is
obviously
an
issue
that
is
a
hot
button
thing
for
a
lot
of
people.
A
lot
of
good
people
in
the
community
see
that,
and
they
see
in
their
perception
is
that
the
officers
are
doing
this
for
nefarious
reasons
so
for
context.
I
just
put
that
out
there
because
we're
all
people,
you
know
we
all
have
families.
D
You
know
a
lot
of
us
have
children.
Some
of
us
have
grandchildren
and
I
don't
care
what
I
don't
care,
if
you're
a
council
person
or
a
mayor
or
police
chief
or
an
officer,
if
you
get
valid
information
that
somebody
knows
where
you
live
and
where
your
children
go
to
school,
what
your
wife
does,
when
she's
home,
with
your
husband,
what
your
husband
does,
and
there
are
some
credible
threats
out
there
to
rape
and
kill
and
do
all
these
horrible
things
to
your
family
members
as
people.
We
respond
a
certain
way.
C
L
I'm
I'm
asking
about
is
the
school
really
you
know.
Does
that
factor
in?
Do
they
think
about
that?
It's
you
know
400
or
more
people
in
a
building.
That's
less
than
any.
You
know
it's
hundreds
of
yards
away
from
that
building,
and
so
you
know
as
an
employee,
you
know
as
the
second
war
councilman
as
a
person
who
just
cares.
You
know
like
that's
something
because
those
type
of
situations
cause
a
real
disruption
in
the
educational
process
over
there.
You
know
not
just
from
students,
but
the
adults
too.
D
Yeah
and
so
councilman
johnson,
I
mean
it
absolutely
was
a
part
of
the
overall
factors
that
we
that
that
we
considered
when
taking
the
decisions
that
we
did,
I
mean
we
saw
in
other
parts
of
the
country
that
those
occupation
encampments
lead
to
a
degeneration
of
just
basic
public
order
and
so
you're
absolutely
right.
There's
a
school.
D
N
N
N
D
They
indicated
by
by
their
actions
that,
in
fact,
they
were
quite
hostile
and
aggressive
towards
the
officers
who
merely
came
out
to
advise
them
that
they
had
15
minutes
to
leave
and
even
before
being
advised
by
the
officers
they
were
demonstrating
this
very
hostile
and
aggressive
behaviors,
and
so
in
order
to
it's
general
police
protocols
and
training.
When
we're
dealing
with
a
situation
like
that
officers
are
trained
to
have
protective
gear
and
private
protective
gear
is
the
right
shields
when
coming
out,
I
mean
you
know
it
the
optics.
D
N
My
next
question
is
more
so
before
the
eviction
did
you
try,
or
at
least
direct
anyone,
whether
it's
elected
or
even
police,
to
speak
to
the
protesters
before
having
them
remove
as
it
relates
to
telling
them
they
cannot
be
there,
because
some
of
the
residents
that
were
there,
I
have
a
constituent,
and
they
saying
that
in
the
six
days
they
were
there.
They
did
not.
They
were
not
asked,
not
even
once
by
the
police
department
or
anyone
that
they
should
leave.
D
D
So
that
was
very
well
known,
a
a
courtesy.
I
guess
you
can
say
the
officers
made
attempts
to.
Let
them
know
that
that
for
it
and
even
going
back
councilman
inani,
you
know
they
had
six
days
of
this
unlawful
encampment
for
six
days.
They
knew
that
they
were
unlawfully
occupying
and
disrupting
operations
in
that
section
of
the
city,
disrupting
operations
of
the
police
department
and
other
institutions
in
the
city
for
six
days,
and
we
gave
them
notice,
they
were.
D
They
were
given
notice
that
the
encampment
was
illegal
and
it
was
time
to
leave
had
they,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
in
my
statements.
Had
they
made
some
attempt
to
start
to
obey
those
lawful
commands
from
the
officers
that
this
was
an
illegal
occupation
and
they
started
making
some
efforts
to
move
along,
even
if
they
would
have
been
a
little
loud
and
boisterous
and
and
defiant
in
a
sense.
D
N
D
D
N
D
D
N
D
None
I've
I've.
I've
been
criticized
by
the
by
the
union
president
for
many
of
my
decisions
that
I've
made.
You
know
I've
fired
over
five
officers
since
I've
been
here.
I've
supported
officers
when
they've
done
good
things.
I've
suspended
officers
when
they've
done
things
that
were
not
inappropriate
that
they
were
inappropriate.
D
You
know
I've.
I've
come
out
and
publicly
supported
officers
when
they
were
being
maligned
and
demonized
for
things
that
were
that
they
weren't
responsible.
For
I
mean
you
know
so
I've
so
I've
I've
been
balanced.
I
think
in
how
I'm
addressing
the
issue
of
of
officers
and
officer
misconduct
and
there's
times
when
I'm
criticized
by
the
union
president
for
some
things
that
that
decisions
that
I
make
with
respect
to
the
officers,
but
it
doesn't
have
any
impact
on
my
decision-making.
N
And
just
last
one
is:
what
can
we
have
done
different?
What
do
you
like
just
sitting
back
and
look
looking
back
at
the
situation?
Is
there
anything
that
you
believe
that
you
could
have
your
department
could
have
done
different?
Maybe
even
that
even
council
members
could
have
done
to
assist
in
this
situation
and
what
can
we
do
moving
forward?
Because
this
is
just
looking
at
the
temperature
out
there
from
residents
in
the
city
of
albany?
D
You
know
you
know
councilman,
annie,
I've
been
doing
this
for
30
years,
and
I've
had
some
major
issues
that
I've
dealt
with
over
my
30-year
career
and
some
decisions.
Major
decisions
that
I've
made
over
my
30-year
career,
including
this
one
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
found,
is
that
none
of
those
decisions
were
perfect.
D
D
We
apply
our
experiences
and
and
get
input
from
those
who
who
have
a
stake
and
and
decisions
are
made,
and
we
and
what's
important.
I
think
the
question
that
you're
bringing
up
is
a
very
important
question
because,
with
the
understanding
that
no
decisions
are
perfect,
I
think,
with
things
like
this,
it's
important
that
we
do
have
a
conversation
afterward
collectively
to
see
how
things
could
have
been
done
different
because.
F
D
That,
when
we
reflect
all
of
us,
everybody
on
this
call
all
of
my
people
that
are
in
the
police
department,
the
the
the
protesters
who
are
part
of
that
encampment
members
of
the
community.
I
think
when
we
reflect,
we
will
all
agree
that
there
was
probably
something
that
could
have
been
done
and
that
conversation
needs
to
be
had
so
that
we
can
try
to
avoid
these
situations.
Moving
forward.
N
Yeah
and
just
suggestion
just
for
next
time,
if
this
happens
again,
a
recommendation
is
maybe
to
flyer
the
encampment
around
it
and
just
tell
them
that
if
they
don't
leave
by
a
certain
time,
they
will
be
evicted
and
then
to
bring
maybe
dgs
who
are
not
armed
in
riot
gear
to
actually
try
to
assist
them
in
cleaning
up
first
and
then,
if
that
doesn't
work,
you
could
use
law
enforcement
who
are
not
in
riot
gear
to
a
victim.
So
that's
just
some
suggestions
that
I
just
have.
N
Chief
and
just
again,
we
are
the
legislative
body
for
the
city
of
albany,
try
to
involve
us
when
it
comes
to
some
of
these
really
hot
issues
that
is
going
to
impact
so
many
residents
in
our
city
of
albany,
particularly
the
council
member,
who
represent
that
district
and
also
other
council
members
who
look
like
the
communities,
the
people
who
are
out
there
advocating
for
the
injustice
that
we
see
so
often
you
know.
So
that's
just
my
two
cents-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chief
and
council
nani
addressed
some
of
the
things
I
was
going
to
bring
up.
I
do
believe
in
due
process,
and
I
you
know
some
of
the
demands
was
like
fire
somebody
right
away.
We
got
to
do
due
process,
I
mean
there
should
be
hearings,
we
need
to
talk
about
things
and
you
know
I've
seen
the
videos
of
of
what
happened,
and
you
know
it
was
a
rough
situation
when
it
first
started
on
that
one.
I
think
it
was
a
wednesday
night.
B
B
What
can
we
do
to
get
people
talking?
Because
there's
there's
two
sides.
You
know
I've
heard
people
in
the
city
saying
you
know
this
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
go
on
that
people
shouldn't
be
able
to
protest,
but
you
know
you
listen
to
the
protesters
and
they
want
their
constitutional
rights.
So
we're
kind
of
in
the
middle.
How
do
we,
I
guess
you
know
de-escalate
this
whole
situation?
Can
we
and
you
know.
F
B
I
don't
have
an
answer,
but
maybe
collectively
you
know
the
leadership
of
the
city,
and
you
know
the
community
members.
Maybe
we
can
come
up
with
something,
but
I
think
there
has
to
be
a
dialogue
where
people
talk
and
get
their
frustrations
out
find
out
what
they
really
want.
That
are
reasonable.
I
mean
there
are
some
things
that
we
just
can't
do
as
a
city
so
and
looking
at
you
know,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
the
videos.
B
There's
a
lot
of
nasty
things
said
to
to
policemen
and
women,
and
you
know
I
think
there
was
restraint
compared
to
what
happened
last
year.
So
I
think
you
know
I
I
just
wonder:
is
it
in
your
mind?
Is
there
something
we
can
do
in
the
next
couple
of
months
to
try
to
get
people
calm
and
talking
and
and
to
move
forward?
Thank
you.
D
They
I
mean
they
see
it
totally
different
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
anybody's
wrong
or
anybody's
a
hundred
percent
right.
But
you
know
you
know
what
we're
seeing
here
is
just
a
you
know,
I
think
a
microcosm
of
what
we
see
nationally.
You
know
there's
you
know
we
have
this
idea
that,
in
in
a
lot
of
cases,
with
a
lot
of
issues
that
somebody's
right
and
therefore
somebody's
got
to
be
wrong.
You
know
the
decision
is
made,
and
so
that
decision
is
either
right
or
that
decision
is
either
wrong.
D
Somebody
is
taking
it
one
way
or
the
other.
Maybe
it's,
maybe
that's
not
the
case.
You
know
so
I
so
I
think,
trying
to
to
you
know,
help
your
your
constituents.
You
know
if
you're
asking
you
know
me,
I'm
helping
your
constituents
to
kind
of
see
that
you
know
that
you
know
these.
You
know
decisions
like
this.
Aren't
made
to
to
violate
the
constitutional
rights
or
to
suppress
the
the
first
amendment
rights
of
people.
I
mean
this.
D
This
was
a
very
complex
issue
that
involved
a
number
of
complex
people
and
and-
and
we
listened-
we
listened
to
that
and
a
decision
was
made,
and
so
hopefully
we
can.
We
can
come
together
as
a
community
and
we
can
dialogue
and
understand
that
we
may
not
agree
necessarily
on
the
issue.
But
but
let's
try
to
understand
where
the
other
side
is
coming
from.
G
Thank
you
thank
you,
chief
for
coming
in
and
speaking
to
us
about
this
and
for
being
so
thorough
with
the
information.
I
think
it's
really
important
for
for
everyone
to
see
as
much
of
the
situation
as
possible.
I
before
this
evening,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
watching
videos
of
of
the
event,
and
I
can
tell
you
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
that
said
it's.
It
was
really
hard
to
watch
police
and
riot
gear
come
at
peop
unarmed
protesters.
G
A
paramilitary
organization
is
scary,
whether
you're
living
there
or
not.
Ideally,
we
have
the
people
who
are
keeping
us
safe
as
people
that
we
can
trust
and
go
to,
and
I
think
that
there's
several
pieces
to
that.
One
of
the
things
I
did
want
to
bring
up
that
I
heard
about,
and
I
kind
of
wanted
to
clarify
is
I
heard
that
there
so
and-
and
I
want
to
preface
this
by
saying-
I
understand
that
the
original
blue
lives
matter
sticker
is
actually
a
police
memorial
sticker.
G
I
fully
support
the
police
memorializing
members
that
have
been
lost.
It
is
a
very
you
guys,
put
your
lives
on
the
line
and
remembering
officers
is
an
important
thing.
However,
that
imagery
has
been
co-opted
to
mean
something
else,
and
it
is
it's
just
not
appropriate
anymore,
and
I
would
love
to
see
a
different
way
to
memorialize
our
officers
that
isn't
triggering
for
residents
that,
because
it's
been
used
as
a
blue
lives
matter
thing
in
direct
opposite
of
black
lives
matter,
and
it's
quite
frankly
seen
as
a
racist
image,
and
I
I
don't.
G
I
understand
that
it
was
this
before
there's
a
lot
of
symbols
and
images
that
have
turned
into
something
else
over
time.
That
is
not
what
they
once
were.
They
used
to
be
once
beautiful,
peaceful
things
they
aren't
any
longer,
and
I,
if
I
think
that
we
need
to
start
removing
the
we
need
to
start
finding
a
different
way
to
memorialize
our
officers.
That
is
not
triggering
for
an
entire
chunk
of
our
population,
and
I
would
ask
that
you
start
considering
that
and
start
considering
doing
that
in
a
different
way
and
using
a
different
image.
G
G
That's
why
we're
here
you
can't
be
in
a
legislative
body
and
not
believe
in
process,
because
that's
literally
all
we
deal
with,
but
one
of
the
reasons
why
it's
so
important
to
have
that
name
and
that
badge
number
is
because
if
that
officer
does
something
that
isn't
okay,
you're
able
to
report
them,
and
I
think
that
it's
an
important
conversation
that
we
have
that
our
community
knows
how
to
do
that
and
how
to
do
that
in
a
safe
way.
So
I
would
feel
I
one
of
the
scariest
moments
in
my
life
is.
G
So
I
request
as
you're
going
through
that
investigation
understand
why
it's
so
important
to
have
those
those
numbers
and
those
names
out
there
and
to
also
understand
that
there
might
need
to
be
a
bigger
conversation
about
it.
I
do
want
to
say
I'm
absolutely
horrified
that
that
there
were
some
women
that
were
directly
threatened
rape
over
this,
and
I
I
just
please
don't
do
that.
If
you're
listening
to
this,
that's
so
not
okay,
I'm
really
bothered
by
that,
and
then
I
would
also.
G
G
G
G
I
just
I,
I
don't
know
how
anybody
how
we
can
get
people
to
sign
up
for
that,
and
I
know
I'm
speaking
saying
this
to
a
black
officer,
but
I
really
think
this
is
an
important
conversation
to
have,
because
we
are
never
going
to
get
anybody
any
anybody.
That's
watching
those
videos
that
is
think
that's
a
black
person,
that's
thinking
of
being
an
officer.
G
I
don't
know
that
I
could
do
it
and
I
just
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
an
important
conversation
that
people
have
and
that
we
have
in
a
real
way
to
start
looking
for
solutions
with
the
community
and
with
the
police
force.
I
think
this
is
two-sided,
because
it's
not
just
within
the
it
from
what
I
watched.
It's
not
just
they're,
getting
impacted
not
just
from
within
the
police
department,
but
from
the
community
as
well,
and
how
do
we
sell?
We
need
to
all
come
together
and
solve
this.
So
that's
my
last
piece.
K
Thank
you
chief
for
the
information
tonight.
My
question
after
watching
the
videos
now
and
prior
my
take
from
that,
was
that
they
were
asked
to
leave.
The
promise
I
want
to
understand.
Was
there
any
attempt
to
move
them
from
the
street,
which
was
a
public
safety
hazard
for
a
few
reasons
outlined
tonight?
D
D
D
Yes,
it
was,
it
was
considered,
but
in
in
the
aftermath
we
we
did
create
part
part
of
our
the
the
three
objectives
that
we
had
with
this
operation
was
to,
like
I
said,
number
one
clear.
The
street
number
two:
do
it
in
a
way
where
we,
it
did
not
result
in
injuries
to
protesters
or
officers,
and
number
three
create
a
space
for
the
protesters
to
safely
and
and
lawfully
demonstrate,
and
that
space
was
created
on
the
north
side
of
arch.
K
D
D
K
Okay,
thank
you,
for
you
know
the
answer
I
just
I
questioned
and
obviously
I
think
we've
all
been
questioning
this
for
the
past
past
week
since
it
started.
If
the
conversation
was
more
so
you
have
15
minutes
to
move
here
as
opposed
to
you
have
15
minutes
to
leave.
If
that
would
have
hap.
That
would
have
triggered
a
different
response,
but
thank
you
for
the
for
the
information.
D
P
Yes,
thanks
chief
thanks
kelly,
I
just
got
one
question
and
my
question
was
from
you
know:
council
members
have
asked
a
lot
of
great
questions
so
far,
but
my
question
was
prompted
by
miss
farrell.
She
stayed
she
mentioned
it,
but
I
guess
I
want
to
follow
up
on
that
point.
When
she
talked
about
the
blue
line.
You
know
we
know
it's
used
in
the
past
for
memorializing
police
officers,
but
it's
a
different
connotation
as
people
see
it
today
and
we
could
visibly
see
it
on
the
riot
here.
P
I
guess
my
my
question.
Only
question
I
have
chief
is:
is
that
blue
line
insignia
on
other
police
officers,
bodies
or
equipments,
because
that
line
was
there
when
the
riot
gear?
So
now
we
have,
you
know
police
officers
coming
to
a
scene
with
riot
gear
on
which
sends
a
totally
different
message
to
protesters,
and
then
they
see
that
blue
line
across
their
riot
here
sends
another
totally
message
to
people
who
are
out
there
protesting.
D
No,
and
second
part
of
that
answer
is
once
we
found
out
that
that
blue
line
was
on
those
shields
inappropriately
that
matter
was
dealt
with.
It
was
inappropriate,
it
was
not
authorized
and-
and
that
is
it's
been
clearly
communicated
going
forward
and
we're
dealing
with
that
matter
internally.
Right
now,.
D
That
has
been
dealt
with
past
tense,
but
there's
ongoing
communication
and
expectations
as
it
pertains
to
what
is
appropriate
and
what
is
permissible
to
be
on
an
official
departmental
property
that
is
not
permissible
and
and
ins,
and
it's
been
very
clearly
communicated
to
our
people.
Thank
you,
chief
you're
welcome.
F
M
And
thank
you
for
being
here,
chief
for
sharing
that
perspective.
As
I
listen
to
the
perspective,
I
do
wonder
if
there
would.
This
would
be
a
more
productive
conversation
if
there
was
a
little
more
give
and
take
between
some
of
the
protesters,
and
you
have
repeatedly
talked
about
people's
willingness
to
dialogue
and
the
protesters
not
being
willing
to
dialogue.
M
D
No,
and
why
was
that
I
think,
we're
setting
in
circumstances
like
that.
There
are
two
reasons.
First,
it
was
made
very
clear
what
their
demands
were.
You
know
they
wanted.
You
know
fire.
They
wanted
the
chief
to
resign,
the
mayor
to
resign
and
a
whole
litany
of
of
demands
that
they
had
and,
and
it
was,
it
was
very
clear
that
that
was
what
they
wanted
and
but
second
in
it,
what
three
things
actually
second
thing
is:
I'm
always
willing
to
dialogue
with
people,
even
if
they
have
an
opposing
point
of
view.
D
You
know
the
mayor
and
I
have
had
all
summer
we've
had.
You
know
open
conversations
with
people
that
just
wanted
to
to
just
sit
and
talk
about
their
issues,
whether
there
are
complaints
or
compliments
or
ideas
or
whatever
it
was
I've
done
this
several
times
over
the
summer,
both
with
the
mayor
and
separately
independently.
D
D
Especially
with
respect
to
the
receipt
of
public
safety
services,
it's
a
very
slippery
slope
because
these
young
men
and
women
and
women
may
very
well
have
been
reasonable.
I
you
know,
I
you
know
from
the
on
the
surface.
It
didn't
seem
like
they
were,
but
maybe
they
were,
but
the
message
that
is
sent
to
people
who
may
not
be
so
reasonable
and
people
who
may
be
extreme
on
whatever
side
of
the
aisle
they
may
be
and
we're
all.
D
It's
a
very
slippery
slope
by
conditioning
the
the
the
evacuation
of
a
of
an
illegal
encampment
on
a
meeting
with
the
chief
or
any
other
elected
official.
So
I
was
very
very
cognizant
of
that
and
I
was
I'm
very
protective
of
that
sort
of
that
sort
of
thing
happening
and
potentially
placing
others
other
elected
officials
or
other
public
officials
at
risk.
And
so
I
was
reluctant
for
those
reasons
to
do
that.
D
Let
me
respond
before
you
move
on
to
your
next
point,
because
you
know
I
I
wouldn't
begin
to.
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
you
do
in
in
your
professional
life,
but
I
wouldn't
begin
to
tell
you
that
I
have
any
understanding
about
what
you
have
to
deal
with
in
the
nuances
of
your
job
and
to
suggest
that
this
incident,
this
unlawful
occupation
and
these
individuals
who
broke
the
law
and
the
subsequent
actions
that
had
to
be
taken
was
my
fault
is
wait.
D
I
think
you're
way
off
base
and
I'm
gonna
push
back
on
that.
You
know
at
the
very
outset.
You
talked
the
escalation
I
was.
There
was
immense
pressure
on
me
at
the
very
outset
of
this
of
this
encampment
to
go
in
there
and
bum
rush
those
people
and
move
them
out,
and
there
were
some
legitimate
concerns.
Some
legitimate
public
safety
concerns,
and
I
took
a
lot
of
criticism
for
not
listening
to
those
concerns
and
placing
people
at
risk,
but
because
I
was
thinking
about
de-escalation
because
tensions
were
so
high.
D
D
D
D
But
what
I
can
tell
you
is
my
decision
to
not
dialogue
with
those
people
at
that
particular
time.
In
my
decision
to
take
action
when
I
did
was
based
on
credible,
factual,
timely
information
that
came
to
me
and
you're
off
base
to
suggest
that,
anyway,
that
my
decision
in
my
dialogue
with
those
people
resulting
in
their
in
in
what
happened
out
there
in
their
decision
to
break
the
law.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
D
Well
and
mr
o'shea,
thank
you
for
that,
because
one
thing
that
we
do
agree
on
a
hundred
percent
is
the
the
is
empathizing
with
those
with
people
of
color
who
feel
the
the
sting
of
injustice
and
and
systemic
racism
in
our
society,
because
I
happen
to
be
a
person
of
color.
I've
been
a
person
of
color
for
53
years.
D
My
parents
are
were
when
they
were
alive.
Were
people
of
color,
I'm
married
to
a
black
woman.
I
have
two
black
children.
I
have
a
black
grandchild,
and
so
only
anybody
on
here
knows
the
sting
or
the
lash
of
of
the
impact
of
of
discrimination
and
bias,
and
and
and
and
and
how
to
feel
empathetic
towards
those
who
who
are
part
of
that.
D
I've
lived
it,
but
I've
also
lived
as
a
police
officer
for
30
years.
Also,
and
I've
had
a
chance
to
see
and
to
empathize
with
people
on
both
sides
of
this
issue,
and
I
think,
has
given
me
a
unique
balance
when
analyzing
these
sorts
of
issues
and
and
we're
talking
about
illegal
occupations
or
police,
community
relations
or
whatever
it
may
be
yeah.
C
Thank
you
for
that
chief.
I
I'd
just
like
to
add.
This
is
again
trust.
Every
meeting
we've
had
along
the
you
know,
public
safety
collaboration
reform
for
all
those
meetings.
I
said
it's
it's
about
trust,
and
so
what?
What
does
rebuilding
trust
in
the
community?
Look
like
to
you
to
you
to
you,
chief
and
and
I'll
just
add
this.
It's
for
me.
C
What
I'd
like
to
see.
We,
you
know,
have
black
lives
matter,
folks,
on
one
side,
the
police,
on
the
other,
there's
some
missteps
and
some
issues
caused
by
both
that
that
the
leadership
of
either
one
of
those
sides-
don't
don't
agree
with,
and
I
think
when
stuff
happens,
you
need
to
call
it
out
not
just
as
a
police
chief,
as
you
know,
overseeing
the
police.
C
If,
if
something
happened
that
was
inappropriate
or
you
think,
maybe
it
was
a
bad
choice,
say
it
publicly
and
on
the
other
side,
with
the
with
with
the
black
lives
matter.
Folks,
there
was
there's
been
some
stuff
going
on
that.
I
know
the
organizers
at
least
the
lead
organizers
don't
agree
with,
but
again
it's
it's
all
the
police
devils,
the
police
are
wrong.
C
The
police
and
and
that's
not
okay,
but
the
police
department
does
the
same
thing:
they're
just
terrorists
they're
just
and
so
we
got
to
meet
in
the
middle
somewhere
and
if
we
don't
communicate
where
we're
at
right
now,
unless
we
we
have
a
real
conversation
to
try
to
make
some
real
change
and
come
to
some
agreements
together
as
a
community.
This
isn't
going
away.
C
It's
not
like
mr
johnson
said
we're
in
a
moment
here
where
I
mean
the
george
floyd
murder
started
something,
but
we've
had
similar
incidents
around
here
that
some
people
equate
to
to
that
level
of
of
issue
and
people.
Don't
forget.
People
need
to
to
trust
we've
this.
This
has
been
a
community
policing
city.
We
there
used
to
be
a
a
time
when
folks
got
the
benefit
of
the
doubt.
C
People
were
waiting
to
hear
from
the
police
to
get
a
response
to
different
issues
or
different
problems
that
occurred,
but
it
seems
like
there's
a
bunch
of
circle,
another
wagons
on
both
sides
and
and
it's
just
not
working,
but
it's
not
gonna
get
better.
Unless
we
come
together
and-
and
I
know
that
might
sound
all
blue
skies-
and
but
again
we
this
is,
this
is
real.
It's
not
going
away.
C
People
are
getting
hurt,
people
are
slighted
officers
are
concerned,
the
community
is
concerned,
everybody
matters,
we
start
we
need
to
start
listening
to
each
other.
What
that
looks
like
I
don't
know,
but
you're
a
leader
on
one
side
of
this
so
and
we
can
throw
the
mayor
into
this.
Also,
how
do
we
come
together?
How
do
we
rebuild
that
trust?
C
You
know,
knock
wood,
any
any
gun,
violence
or
violence
like
we.
We
had
to
deal
with
last
year,
so
we
we
don't
need
to
be
dealing
with
all
these
things.
This,
I'm
not
thinking
we're
going
to
have
a
perfect
world
and
everyone's
going
to
agree
on
everything,
but
at
least
come
together
and
agree
to
disagree.
There's
some
common
ground,
please,
and
with
that
I'll
I'll
I'll,
stop.
M
C
C
Again,
we
could
do
the
special
meeting
thing,
but
that's
we're
all
going
to
be
in
that
same
space
and
we
really
need
to
to
start
talking
and
and
sharing
ideas
and
and
and
communicating
on
this
because
we
want.
We
want
to
put
something
in
place.
So
just
that's
just
a
heads
up.
So
if
anyone
has
any
ideas,
any
amendments
I
mean
there's
what
mr
shea
offered.
Then
I
made
some
changes,
there's
some
other
stuff
out
there.
C
I
think
it
all
got
put
together
in
one
document
that
got
sent
out
to
us
at
some
point
that
I
want
folks
to
think
about,
but
on
the
12th
after
our
caucus.
Hopefully
it's
not
long,
although
we
do
have
the
school
district
that
night
and
it
seems
that
whenever
we
we
have
these
huge
issues
or
we're
talking
something
big
or
a
big
issue.
It
seems
like
the
school
district
was
there
that
particular
night,
so
this
is
not
going
to
be
any
different,
so
both
are
going
on
that
night.
C
It
doesn't
have
to
be
the
super
long
conversation,
it's
the
start
of
it,
but
people
think
about
it.
Before
we
get
to
the
meeting.
Look
at
the
legislation,
all
the
legislation
that's
out
there
talk
to
mr
shea
myself,
miss
pharaoh.
Just
just
think
about
that.
So
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
talk
about
it
on
the
12th
miss
I
wanna,
mr
johnson
has
his
hand
raised
and
I'll
go
to
miss
farrell
and
then
mr
igo,
and
then
we
can
close
out.
So
mr
johnson.
L
Thank
you
and
I'm
glad
that
I
got
a
chance
to
get
to
my
thought
because
I'm
following
up,
but
you
know
the
fact
that
they
cover
up
the
badges
right,
like
that's
my
uneasiness
and
you
bring
up
tear
gas,
you
know,
like
a
group
that
is
willing
to
you,
know,
go
against
their
procedures
right
in
front
of
the
police
station.
You
know
that
right.
There
makes
me
uncomfortable
and.
L
L
You
know
they're
not
going
to
make
an
irresponsible
call
knowing
that
it's
consequences
next
to
it,
but
when
the
police
department
makes
that
call
it's
so
there's
so
many
procedures
and
and
union
rules
that
you,
you
know
it's
hard
to
get
accountability.
So
you
know
I'm.
I
think-
and
I
want
to
speak
loud
and
clear-
that
we
should
move
forward
with
the
proposed
the
resolution
that
judy
proposed-
and
you
know,
figure
things
out.
L
You
know
somehow
that
way,
because
the
trust
is
it's
a
lot
of
trust
issues
that
we
have
and
each
day
it's
not
like
they're
getting
better.
So
you
know
I
just
want.
I
want
to
embed
that
in
our
minds,
because
once
again
you
know
these.
These
incidents
are
have
played
out
in
the
second
ward
and
I
believe,
the
fifth
war
and
like,
if
you
get
up
there
and
you
talk
to
people
in
those
direct
communities,
they
feel
adamant
about
tear
gas.
So
thank
you.
C
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
johnson,
but
I
would
I
would,
I
would
argue,
the
the
context
and
the
situations
aren't
the
same
for
making
that
call
the
cover
and
I'm
not
in
agreement
with
it.
I
think
it's
wrong
and
whoever
did
it
should
be
punished
as
rules
that
govern
that,
but
in
that
instance,
it's
not
it's.
It's
kind
of
different
they're
in
protecting
their
families,
or
so
they
thought
or
that's
the
argument
they're
making
it's
not
the
same
as
the
other
situation.
L
L
My
father
always
told
me
that,
just
because
somebody
did
something
wrong
to
you,
don't
mean
that
you
can
do
wrong
to
them,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
I'm
just
looking
at
you
know
the
thought
process
you
know
like
because
we're
not
they're
not
the
same,
and
I
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
But
the
act
is
not
what
is
supposed
to
happen,
and
you
know
so
when
you,
you
are
doing
stuff
like
that
and
a
heightened
time
like
this,
where
all
eyes
are
on
you.
M
You
talked
about
closing
out
and
I'm
I
I
apologize.
I
was
a
few
minutes
late.
I
get
150
200
emails
a
day
going
back
and
trying
to
find
where
the
login
information
is
tends
to
be
a
challenge.
For
me,
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
challenge
for
other
people,
but
anyway,
I'm
wondering
was
there
any
discussion
about
the
secret
task
force
meeting
that
happened
last
friday.
G
G
So
that
was
what
I
was
going
to
talk
about,
and
I
also
want
to
just
note
that
if
there's,
if
somebody
has
feedback
on
tear
gas
they're
an
idea
and
they're
not
sure
what
to
do
with
it,
if
you
want
to
send
it
to
me,
you
can
and
I'll
work
with
jr
to
kind
of
get
together
something
that
we
can
send
out
to
everybody
beforehand,
but
anyway
go
ahead.
Judy.
G
Last
friday,
I
didn't
know
about
the
meeting.
No,
I
we
talked
about
it
in
leadership
and
they
told
us
the
we
asked
for
council
council
members
to
be
on
the
committee.
They
said
that
we
have
a
total
of
four
council
members
on
the
committee
and
they
were
included.
Unless
I
mean
sonia,
were
you
I'm
assuming.
G
F
G
M
So
I
you
know
I
was
asking
questions
about
this.
I
did
reach
out
to
david
gallon
last
week
via
two
telephone
calls
text
and
an
email.
He
contacted
me
last
night
about
wanting
to
talk
to
me
about
it.
I
had
heard
found
out
about
it
and
I
did
attend.
I
was
a
bit
alarmed
that
this
was
clearly
designed
to
be
a
secret
meeting
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
speaking
about
that.
This
is,
and
we
still
don't
know
what
the
process
is.
M
M
M
And
I
I
found
it
very,
I
find
what's
going
on
very
unsettling
and
I
do
wonder
whether
we
want
to
be
complicit
in
and
and
going
along
with,
the
fact
that
the
mayor
has
simply
created
a
task
force.
There's
no
need
to
answer
questions
regarding
how
do
people
get
appointed,
what
their
responsibilities
are?
What
the
true
mission
is
nothing
in
writing
from
the
administration.
M
So
I
I
find
it
alarming
disconcerting.
It
seems
to
me
that
we
are
often
faced
in
this
situation
where
the
mayor
decides
to
go.
A
certain
path
doesn't
feel
any
need
to
consult
with
us,
get
our
approval,
pass,
a
law
resolution
and
an
ordinance
and
and
then
we
get
the
results
and
we
are
expected
to
essentially
represent
it,
and
the
question
is
how
quickly
you
know,
and
and
and
what
kind
of
review.
G
Didn't
have
that
information,
and
I
have
to
be
honest,
I
didn't
ask
because
I
think
it
me
it's
common
sense
that
you
invite
people
to
I've
asked
for
the
for
it
to
be
as
transparent
as
possible.
Initially,
they
said
that
they
would
have
some
issues
with
with
technology
getting
it
together,
which
I
understand.
This
is
not
a
simple
thing.
It's
I
understand
it's
2021,
but
that
does
not
make
everything
technologically
available.
G
So
we
asked
for
council
members
to
be
involved.
They
included
council
members
on
it.
They
were
told
ahead
of
time.
I
don't
think
that
that
sonya
and
jamal
alfredo
and
corey
just
magically
knew
where
to
show
up
it.
It's
not,
and
I
did
request
I
I
didn't
request,
who
I
said:
can
you
include
council
members,
and
I
ask
for
council
members
that
would
definitely
be
here
next
term,
because
this
impacts
the
future.
So
so
I
I
mean
I
would
disagree
with
that
characterization.
G
I
completely
agree
that
that
information
should
be
as
transparent
as
possible
and
shared.
I
also
in
leadership
did
ask
david.
I
reminded
him
of
your
questions.
I
said
they
were
to
serve
as
a
guiding
document.
You've
been
guided,
please
answer
them
and
share
them
and
he
said
that
he's
working
on
it.
So
I
just
I
completely
agree
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
focus
on,
but
I
really
don't
think
I
mean
we
had
council
members
there.
G
So
there
is
council
involvement
and
sonia
has
her
hand
up
so
and
so
does
alfredo.
I
would
prefer
for
them
to
do
the
full
report
of
it
on
monday,
when
we
have
more
people
watching,
but
I
mean
if
it's
something
judy
that
you
want
to
hear.
I
mean
you
were
there.
So
if
people
want
to
hear
about
it
now
and.
M
M
K
M
G
K
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
press
was
in
the
room
and
they
are
currently
gathering
bios
and
information
about
all
the
task,
members,
which
is
a
pretty
large,
diverse
group
of
very
impressive
community
leaders
that
they're
going
to
release
the
information
to
the
public,
and
there
was
conversation
during
the
meeting
about
transparency
so
and
making
sure
that
the
public
is
is
being
informed
about
this
entire
process.
And
this
was
just
the
first
introductory
meeting
where
we
really
said.
K
F
H
H
H
F
C
B
G
G
Then
there's
an
external
task
force
that
that
sonya,
alfredo
jamal
and
corey
are
on
that's,
focusing
on
making
sure
those
dollars
are
spent
appropriately,
because
the
dollars
were
kind
of
allocated
in
specific
buckets
so,
for
example,
the
restaurant
recovery,
so
how
much
of
that
is
getting
utilized
making
sure
that
those
funds
are
really
getting
utilized
so
that
you
have
leaders
in
each
different
area
really
making
sure
it's
part
of
it?
And
I
I
will
just
add.
G
We
do
want
to
work
with
council
members,
so
we
can
advocate
for
things
within
the
county,
and
I
know
I've
said
this
before,
but
definitely
you
know
I
and
corona
we'll
have
to
talk
about
a
way
to
do
that,
but
feel
free
to
talk
to
either
one
of
us
about
some
initiatives
that
are
happening.
That
you're
like
this
is
important
and
either
on
a
citywide
side
or
if
there's
something
specific
in
your
award,
it
doesn't
mean
it's
going
to
happen.