►
From YouTube: October 10, 2018 AF Planning Commission
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
Any
opposed
motion
passed
all
right,
like
I
mentioned
earlier
in
the
meeting,
we're
gonna
switch
to
9
and
10
around
so
first
off
will
here,
have
the
hearing,
review
and
action
on
the
amendments
to
section
17
point
for
0.608
of
the
american
first
city
development
code
regarding
the
transit-oriented
developments.
Teo
DS
will
do
this
one
first
and
will
move
on
to
the
area
plan
after
this
one
I.
Don't
if
you'd
lead
us
in
this
one,
please
listen.
This
is
gonna,
bring
up
some
discussion,
I'm
sure.
B
B
So
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
just
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
of
kind
of
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
and
why
this
is
needed
and
kind
of
future
steps.
Mike
Hathorne,
who
we
are
working
with
as
a
consultant.
He
will
be
kind
of
walking
you
through
the
process
of
if
someone
were
to
come
into
this
zone,
how
it
would
be
developed
and
what
they
would
look
for
and
kind
of
what
their
requirements
would
be.
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
start
with
an
introduction.
B
So,
basically,
how
did
we
get
to
where
we
are
today?
In
2012,
UTA
opened
the
front
runner
line,
and
with
that
line
we
do
have
a
stop
here
in
American
Fork.
As
you
know,
it
gave
us
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
pause
and
think
what
do
we
want
this
area
to
become?
We
have
a
unique
opportunity
with
the
station
here
in
American
Fork,
the
previous,
the
old
Land
Use
Plan,
just
anticipated
low-density
residential
for
this
entire
area.
But
when
the
front-runner
came
through
and
we
had
a
station,
we
thought
well.
B
We
really
need
to
look
at
this
and
there
are
other
development
opportunities
and
options
that
will
present
themselves
for
this
area.
Now
that
we
have
a
station
I
believe
it
was
2013.
We
adopted
a
station
area
plan
which
was
kind
of
the
first
draft
of
an
overall
Tod
area,
and
so
what
that
did
was
that
set
kind
of
an
area
which
is
you
know
smaller
than
what
we're
looking
at
tonight,
but
it
kind
of
set
an
overall
area
for
more
intense
development,
one
of
the
following
steps.
B
After
that
station
area
plan,
was
to
basically
adopt
his
owning
code
that
would
allow
development
to
occur
in
the
fashion
that
was
envisioned.
You
know
higher
density,
mixed
use,
mixture
mix
of
intensities
and
whatnot,
so
in
2016
early
in
2016,
our
first
version
of
the
Tod
code
was
adopted
and
that
kind
of
set
the
stage
for
development
and
how
it
could
be
accomplished
in
this
area.
B
However,
as
development
came
in
and
as
developers
kind
of
talked
with
us,
we
could
see
that
the
original
Tod
code
itself
wasn't
quite
working.
If
you
will,
it
was
too
narrow,
it
had
too
narrow
of
a
scope
and
for
an
area
this
large
we
needed
to
have
more
options:
the
Tod
code,
as
it
was
allowed
development,
but
it
was,
it
was
very
compartmentalized
and
very
strict
and
not
a
lot
of
room
for
you
know
the
variety
of
types
of
development
that
we
had
envisioned
for
the
area.
B
So
we
kind
of
took
a
look
at
it
and
thought:
what
can
we
do?
What
do
we
need
to
do
in
order
to
open
this
area
up
to
develop
the
way
we
envisioned
it,
and
so
that's
where
Mike
came
on
board
and
looked
at
our
original
code
identified
short
circuits?
If
you
will
holes
areas
that
needed
to
be
filled
in
to
make
it
really
what
it
needed
to
be.
B
And
so
that's
so,
we've
been
working
with
Mike
the
last
couple
of
months
to
prepare
a
draft
I
guess
you
could
say:
draft
revision,
draft
update
to
the
overall
Tod
code
and
that's
what's
before
you
tonight.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
give
you
an
overview
of
the
code
and
what
kind
of
what
each
section
does
and
when
I'm
done
with
that,
then
Mike
will
kind
of
walk
you
through.
What
a
developer
would
walk
through.
B
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
the
code
that
we
that
ends
up
being
adopted,
we
know
that
this
will
be
basically
a
living
document.
We
ant
there
to
be
changes.
It's
not
going
to
be
static
forever,
just
as
we
do
with
our
other
codes
as
needs
arise,
we
look
at
it.
If
there
needs
to
be
changes
made,
then
we
go
ahead
and
make
those
changes
with
your
help
and
input.
So
we
do
see
this
as
a
living
document
and
we
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
changes
as
we
move
down
the
road.
B
B
So
we
feel
that
it
isn't
a
format
that
is
ready
to
move
on
to
council
pending
your
recommendation
and
we'll
go
from
there,
but
like
I
said,
I
would
like
to
go
through
briefly
describe
what
each
section
is
and
what
it
does
so
section
1
of
the
Tod
code.
It
really
introduces
the
code
and
where
it
applies,
which
you'll
see
in
our
next
item.
There's
a
we
call
it
the
development
area
plan
and
it
really
becomes
a
part
of
the
city's
land
use
plan.
B
It
marries
the
transportation
plan
with
the
land
use
plan
and
with
the
per
you
know,
with
the
districts
that
are
found
within
the
Tod
overlay
section
1
describes
the
districts
in
section
1
they're
identified
as
character
districts.
It
gives
a
description
of
what
they're
intended
to
be
and
kind
of.
Why
they're
there.
It
also
introduces
what
we're
calling
block
types
which
is
kind
of
the
framework
of
development.
Each
district
has
certain
block
types
that
are
allowed,
and
so
it
introduces
that
concept.
B
Section
three
identifies
what
is
a
development
area
plan
and
so
for
this
area.
The
development
area
plan
will
be
discussing
that
next,
but
it
as
I
said
it's
basically
a
marriage
of
the
transportation
plan
and
network
with
the
underlying
land
use
plan,
and
then
the
districts
are
identified
in
section
three
and
go
into
more
detail
as
to
what
those
are
the
districts.
B
As
we've
identified
them
are
the
office
core,
which
is
intended
primarily
for
office,
use
the
transit
core
area,
which
is
where
your
most
intense
and
dense
uses
will
be
those
those
are
surrounding
the
train
station.
And
then
you
have
some
neighborhood
districts.
You
have
the
West
neighbourhood,
the
garden
district
and
the
East
neighbourhood.
The
East
neighbourhood
is
east
of
what
will
be
700
West
and
that's
really
intended
for
some
lower
for
this
area.
B
Lower
density
and
lower
intensity
developments
to
kind
of
blend
in
with
the
existing
neighborhood
fabric
of
that
area,
the
garden
district
and
the
West
neighborhood
are
slightly
higher
densities.
But
as
you
move
south
and
west,
those
densities
taper
off,
so
that
when
you
get
outside
of
the
Tod
overlay,
you're,
basically
back
into
the
existing
city's
land,
use
plan
of
low
density
residential.
So
they
feather
out
and
the
block
types
and
whatnot
reflect
that.
D
E
B
In
section
3,
we
also
introduced,
what's
called
a
plan
key
and
that
identifies
the
blocks
and
lots
that
are
allowed
within
each
district
and
kind
of
also
gives
an
overview
of.
So
you
get
here's
the
plan
key.
So
you
can
see
that
what's
highlighted
is
what's
pertinent
for
that
district,
and
so,
as
we
move
forward
and
as
as
staff
as
we
reviewed
it,
it
begins
to
make
sense
and
all
the
pieces
kind
of
fall
together.
B
Section
4
introduces
what's
a
district
framework
plan
and
that
shows
section.
4
also
describes
where
block
types
are
allowed
and
how
that
corresponds
to
each
sub
district
and
also
it
identifies
the
percentages
of
block
types
that
are
allowed
in
each
sub
district,
and
then
it
also
identifies
the
uses
there
that
are
allowed
so
that
this
is
where
we
find
a
use
table.
What
districts
are
what
sub
districts
those
uses
are
allowed
in,
and
then
it
also
kind
of
breaks
up
the
percentages
of
the
block
types
and
where
those
can
be
found.
B
Which,
then
it
moves
on
to
section
5,
where
it
talks
about
block
plans
and
it
identifies
what
is
required
in
a
block
plan
block
plans
themselves
are
approved
by
staff,
so
it
identifies
open-space
percentages,
transportation,
type,
slot
type
assignments
and
then
any
phasing
plans.
The
block
plan
is
really
where
the
subdivision
comes
into
play.
B
So,
while
staff
approves
the
block
plan,
any
official
subdivision
of
the
property
within
those
blocks
would
come
before
you
and
then
the
council,
as
those
as
you
and
the
councillor
or
the
bodies
that
approved
those
subdivision,
Platts
section
6
dives
a
little
further.
It
goes
into
lot
plan
and
the
standards
for
lot
plans.
It
assigns
widths
for
each
lot
type.
There
are
certain
lot
types
that
are
allowed
within
each
block
type,
which
are
then
allowed
within
each
district
type,
and
then
it
also
assigns
maximum
densities
for
each
lot
types.
B
B
Section
seven
is
quite
a
large
section
and
it
deals
with
public
space
standards
and
when
I,
when
I
speak
to
that,
I
also
I
mean
not
only
parks
but
also
Street,
rights-of-way
and
and
all
that
are
associated
with
that,
so
that
discusses
Street,
Standards,
easement
standards
and
open
space
standards.
So
certain
blocks
are
allotted
a
certain
percentage
of
open
space
and
within
that
open
space,
the
open
space
standards
themselves
drill
down
into
further
detail.
B
As
to
you
know
what
types
of
open
space
are
applicable
for
each
area,
and
so
you
have
a
wide
range
of
open
space
standards
to
choose
from
and
then
finally
section
8
defines
terms
that
are
found
in
the
code.
We've
gone
over
that
to
make
sure
that
you
know
any
terms
that
are
in
there
are
clearly
defined
and
clearly
understand
understandable.
B
A
F
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
be
with
you
this
evening
and
to
talk
about
this
revision
process
that
we've
been
going
through
over
the
past
few
months,
we're
working
on
on
some
technical
issues
so
that
we
can.
We
can
get
you
the
the
PowerPoint
that
I
prepared
to
walk
you
through
well--we're,
while
we're
doing
that
all
I'll
speak
to
what
it
is
that
I'm
going
to
try
and
cover
for
you,
my
intent.
G
F
We,
we
have
spent
the
past
few
months
going
through
a
process
of
identifying
the
gap,
also
also
looking
at
the
code
and
working
from
the
existing
code,
so
that
we
weren't
throwing
the
work
that
had
been
done
out.
There
was
a
lot
of
actually
very
good
work
that
was
done.
It's
just
that
the
code
in
order
to
function
property
properly.
Much
like
a
you
know,
let's
say
an
engine
you.
There
were
other
parts
that
had
to
be
put
in
place
so
that
it
would,
it
would
run
the
way
it
was.
F
F
Section
3,
as
Adam
talked
about
deals
with
the
development
area
plan.
Adam
Adam
referred
to
the
aspects
of
land,
use
and
I.
Think,
that's
that's
a
carry
over
terminology
that
doesn't
really
fit
what
this
code
is
doing,
because
the
the
dynamics
of
the
code
completely
change
in
terms
of
its
operating
system,
in
that
it
does
not
focus
specifically
on
land
use.
Land
use,
is
part
of
the
code
and
is
addressed
through
the
sub
districts,
which
is
one
of
the
carryover
items
from
the
existing
code.
F
F
That's
what
creates
the
force.
The
four
steps
the
development
area
plan
is,
is
delivered
by
the
city
and
and
it
it
addresses
the
issue
of
the
district
boundaries
and
then
the
overlay
of
the
transportation
plan.
Subsequently,
because
we're
dealing
with
transportation
corridors,
it
also
deals
with
the
aspects
of
major
infrastructure.
Those
transportation
corridors
become
the
the
vehicle
for
delivering
major.
You
know
horizontal
trunk
infrastructure
within
the
overall
area
and
and
are
part
of
that
that
process
as
well,
so
here
here's
the
in
you're,
probably
familiar
with
with
this
particular
exhibit
at
this
point.
F
This
is
showing
that
that's
that
overlay
of
the
the
district
boundaries,
the
five
districts
that
Adam
identified
and
then
the
the
transportation
plan-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
revised
version
of
what
you
have
in
terms
of
your
mass
master
transportation
plan
and
that
and
that
coordination
occurred
as
part
of
this
process
to
make
sure
that
we
were.
We
were
creating
enough
of
a
system
that
we
were
addressing
both
transportation
and
infrastructure
through
all
of
the
all
of
the
districts.
F
Basically,
a
a
virtual
subdivision
of
the
property
into
blocks,
a
virtual
assignment
of
block
types
that
are
in
these
Gray's
they're,
representative
of
intensities,
the
darker,
the
gray,
the
more
intense
the
the
development
pattern
within
that
block
is
intended
to
be,
and
then,
and
then
the
other
operational
overlay
is,
is
the
relationship
with
with
the
sub
districts
and
the
the
basket
of
land-use.
That's
associated
with
those.
The
block
types
are
intended
to
deliver
levels
of
pattern,
referring
back
to
whoops
wrong
button.
Referring
back
to
the
to
the
map.
F
F
This
is
part
of
the
modeling
aspect
of
the
operational
overlay
relative
to
the
intensities
is
a
a
virtual
bucket
of
development
rights
that
are
associated
with
the
property
as
a
whole.
Those
those
assignments
then
get
looked
at
within
the
context
of
each
each
District
which
which
I'll
show
you
here
in
a
minute.
We've
got
the
same.
F
You
then
go
into
a
general
mixed-use
setting
as
you
as
you
leave
those
core
areas
and
then
residential
edge,
which
is
which
is
meant
to
be
primarily
single-family,
detached
with
the
opportunity
for
blended
density
products.
We
we
want.
We
want
the
pet,
the
pallet
of
residential
housing
types
to
be
expanded,
and
this
was
one
of
the
weaknesses
of
the
existing
code.
Is
that
its
vote?
One
of
its
primary
focuses
was
on
building
types,
but
it
only
allowed
six
building
types,
two
of
which
were
residential.
F
We've
changed
the
focus
so
that
the
the
focus
goes,
moves
away
from
building
type
and
and
focus
focuses
instead
on
the
land
and
the
lot
types.
The
lot
type
then
becomes
the
qualifier
for
the
use
of
different
building
types
on
those
Lots,
based
on
on
fitting
the
pieces
together
in
a
very
deliberate
fashion.
F
The
the
the
allocation
of
use
is
intended
to
occur
at
the
lot
plan
level,
but
this
sets
that
the
the
the
the
menu
per
se
for
for
that
relationship
to
occur
at
with
the
lot
plan
and
then
I'll
move
through
this
really
quickly.
But
what
what
I
have
here
is
I've
isolated,
each
of
the
districts
I've
isolated,
the
the
development
units
associated
with
those
districts
based
on
the
modeling
and
then
one
of
the
things
that
the
the
code
does
relative
to
the
the
district
boundaries
is.
F
We
we
were
very
careful
in
and
deliberate
in
the
in
making
sure
that
each
district
was
of
a
size
that
that
coordinated
with
a
with
a
pedestrian
shed
and
the
acreage
associated
with
that.
So
we
have,
we
have
the
business
district
and
what
you?
What
you
see
in
this
particular
exhibit
is
it's
identifying
the
block
type.
The
block
type
then
has
ties
to
the
the
allocation
of
density
through
the
use
of
the
lot
types
which
gives
you
development
unit
range
and
then
to
make
it
easier
to
read.
F
The
you've
got
the
Box
in
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
of
each
block
which
identifies
the
associative
sub
district
associated
with
that
particular
block
in
the
district,
and
then
here's
the
exhibit
that
that
shows
the
relationship
between
a
quarter
mile
radius,
pet
shed
and
the
district
itself.
So
you
can,
you
can
see
you
can
you
can
get
an
idea
of
its
its
contextual
size,
transit
core
same
thing?
F
We
look
at.
We
look
at
the
transit
court
at
a
block
level
and
then
subsequently,
in
terms
of
its
in
terms
of
its
size.
The
the
operational
aspect
of
the
district
framework
plan
is
that
that
is
being
provided
through
the
operational
overlays
to
the
developer
and
the
developer
in
their
application
is,
is
working
with
city
staff
to
determine
conformance
with
before
before
it
hits
before
it.
His
Planning
Commission
and
City
Council
for
an
approval
again,
wess
neighborhood.
F
One
of
the
differences
with
the
West
neighborhood
in
the
garden
district,
is
that
there
are
two
sub
districts
within
each
one
of
those
again
again.
The
size
you'll
you'll
see
that
it,
the
the
pedestrian
shed,
doesn't
cover
the
entire
thing,
but
in
recognition
of
that,
what
you're
seeing
outside
of
it
is
is
the
lower
densities,
garden
district,
same
approach.
F
And
then
the
East
neighborhood
this
this
is
an
important
one
to
to
kind
of
touch
on,
because
it's
it
is
different
than
the
other
four
districts
in
that
there
are
that
there
is
a
framework
of
existing
neighborhood
already
there,
and
so
it
was.
It
was
imperative
that
what
was
done
would
reflect
what
was
already
there
so
that
we're
not
we're
not
building
in
conflicts
with
with
existing
land
owners,
so
the
the
build
out
of
that
particular
area
would
be
within
the
relationship
of
what's
there.
F
Another
unique
thing
about
it
is
the
the
the
thoroughfare
network
actually
because
of
the
size
of
750
West's
and
200
South.
It
in
essence
cuts
it
off
from
from
the
remainder
of
the
of
the
regulatory
area,
but
the
opportunity
is
to
have
development,
that's
reflective
of
of
the
the
of
the
character
of
the
the
Tod
area
as
a
whole,
which
is
why
it
was
included.
Initially,
it's
it's
a
completely
residential
edge,
which
is
your
lowest
intensity
of
of
sub-district
and
again
it's
to
meet
the
to
meet
the
intensity
of.
H
F
G
F
What
what's
there
is
when
you,
when
you
look
at
the
when
you
look
at
the
the
pattern
of
the
in
an
aerial
photography,
you'll
see
you'll,
see
that
what's
what's
there
is
very
reflective
of
what's
its
its
East.
So
it's
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that,
what's
being
done
in
the
East
neighborhood
has
the
same
contextual
characters
as
what
is
what's
there.
So.
F
Iii,
don't
know
what's
to
the
east.
Adam
can
probably
he
probably
knows
that
far
better
than
I
do
the
the
challenge
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
writing
the
the
zoning
code
for
that
that
dealt
with
the
East
neighborhood
was
that
were
we're
basically
manure
from
built
out
over
in
that
area,
but
there
there
is
an
existing
precedent
and
existing
landowners.
F
F
These
are
out
of
the
city,
but
it's
that
same
relationship
and
respecting
what
was
there
first,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
edge
conditions
as
you
move
from
existing
to
the
newer
area
that
that
they're
going
to
be
compatible,
and
so
that
that's
where
that's
where
that
relationship
starts
to
tie
in
now
in
as
we
get
into
the
the
area
of
the
block
plans.
This
is
where
we,
we
took
a
much
deeper
dive
in
terms
of
testing
what
what
the
code
was
actually
doing
on
the
ground.
F
Yes,
that
that's
it
there
so
we'll
bounce
between
these
two,
this
mock
application
document
is,
is,
is
actually
demonstrating.
The
this
the
submit
--all
under
a
block
plan
and
what
the
block
plan
is
actually
is
actually
measuring,
but
going
going
if
you
could,
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
yeah
there,
we
go
so
with
with
the
block
plan.
F
So
in
that
subdividing
process,
you're
you're,
adding
streets,
you're,
adding
alleys
that
that
are
that
are
reducing
the
the
the
bulk
size
of
the
block
into
you
know
what
the
code
refers
to
is
sub
blocks
and-
and
then
you
start
to
lot
that
out
and
the
lotting
then
is
is
then
tied
to
the
building
types,
so
the,
but
the
building
type
relationship
gets
identified
at
the
next
step
in
in
terms
of
the
lot
plan
at
the
level
of
the
at
the
level
of
the
block
plan.
What
we're
doing
is
the
this
is.
F
These
are
the
four
blocks
broken
down
at
the
level
of
the
laws,
so
the
north
west
block
is
in
the
business
district
and
what
you'll?
What
you'll
see
there
is
is
like
I
mentioned
there
are
non-residential
uses,
there's
no
residential
allowed
in
the
in
the
office
district.
That's
a
carryover
from
the
previous
code
so
that
the
focus
is
strictly
on
on
business
and
office.
The
north
east
corner
is
in
the
in
the
transit
core,
as
well
as
the
south
east
corner,
and
then
the
southwest
corner
is
in
the
West
neighborhood.
F
This
also
give
it
gives
you,
you
know
the
overview
of
the
allocation
of
the
blocks.
The
question
then
becomes:
do
those
allocations
meet
the
requirements
of
the
code
in
terms
of
meeting
the
percentage
ranges
that
are
allowed
by
block
type
in
this
in
this
particular
block?
We're
dealing
we're
dealing
with
a
block
type
for
the
the
bottom
left-hand
corner.
Shows
you
what
the
range
of
lot
types
are
that
are
allowed
within
the
block
and
then
thus
next
slide
shows
you
what
the
percentage
allocation
is
relative
to
the
requirement.
F
So
the
the
block
as
it
was
designed
was
was
in,
was,
in
conformance
the
design
exercise,
also
included
making
sure
that
that
parking
was
being
met
based
on
the
amount
of
building
that
was
being
designed
and
brought
into
the
into
the
the
block
itself.
That
exercise
continues
with
each
of
these
blocks
and
I
won't
belabor.
The
point
of
pointing
out
the
details
of
this
but
I
guess
one
particular
point
that
I'll
note
is:
is
the
the
identification
of
the
planned
key
in
this
also,
the
plan
key
is
in
the
upper
left
hand
corner.
F
F
Codifying
each
of
the
the
plan
keys
that
are
associated
with
each
district
and
and
the
plan
key
helps
you
very
quickly
to
identify
what
it
is
that
you're.
Looking
at
the
district,
the
allowed
sub
districts
within
that
district,
the
allowed
the
block
type
in
this
instance,
the
block
type
that
you're
looking
with
and
the
associative
lot
types
that
are
associated
with
the
block.
F
Okay,
before
before,
we
whoops
before
we
get
into
the
detail
of
the
lot
plan,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
flexing
over
to
the
to
the
block
types
submittal
document.
So
what
what
you're
going
to
see
are
the
are
the
different
elements
of
what
is
submitted
at
the
block
plan
level
and
in
in
doing
that.
Hopefully,
it
helps
you
to
to
relate
to
what
exactly
it
would
be
coming
in
if,
if
a
developer,
we're
coming
in
with
it
with
this
this
portion
of
their
application.
F
F
How
do
I
put
it
with
without
specific
oversight?
That's
occurring
from
from
staff,
because
the
previous
two
steps
have
been
basically
allocated
for
the
developer
and
and
at
the
district
framework
plan
and
level
again,
they're,
just
showing
conformance
with
the
operational
overlays
that
are
identified.
F
So
so
the
doc
is
just
as
you
see
here,
this
the
site
characteristics
are
identified
in
in
the
one
graphic
you're
dealing
with
the
aspects
of
the
blocks.
You
know
this
you've
seen
this
particular
graphic,
but
it
also
ties
in
the
requirement
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
that
we're
dealing
with
the
aspect
of
the
pedestrian
shed.
So
that's
reflected
in
this
as
well
you're
supposed
to
demonstrate
the
the
site
conditions,
whether
there
are
constraints
on
the
particular
site
in
this
particular
instances,
it's
a
very
flat
area.
So
there
aren't.
F
By
virtue
of
that.
The
other
thing
that
is
called
out-
and
this
is
something
that
the
this
that's
also
measured
in
this
process-
is
we're
identifying
the
primary
and
secondary
facades
of
the
lot.
That
relationship
is
governed
in
this
process,
as
it
pertains
to
the
the
future
relationship
with
the
building
and
the
level
of
detail
that's
associated
with
those
buildings.
F
F
This
is
identifying
the
the
the
break
up
of
the
block
by
streets
and
the
street
types
that
are
being
proposed
within
the
block,
and
then
this
is
this.
This
is
dealing
with
the
naming
of
streets
inside
of
the
block
and
what
what's
not
being
shown
here?
I
just
noticed
this,
as
I
saw
it
up
here
as
there's
the
need
to
show
how
utilities
are
going
to
be
moved
through
the
block
and
and
the
legend
is
called
out,
but
the
the
details
associated
with
that
aren't
being
shown
in
this
particular
instance.
F
That
would
that
means
that
the
the
application
would
need
to
be
kicked
back
to
the
developer
because
that
they
they
have
not
met
that
requirement
of
the
block
plan
and
then
open
space
types
associated
at
the
block
level
have
to
be
called
out.
This
is
identifying
the
open
spaces.
It's
also
identifying
that
type
of
open
space
that's
being
used
which
ties
to
what
Adam
referred
to
in
Section
seven
with
the
public
space
standards.
Where
we've
we
have.
F
We
have
built
a
pallet
of
open
space
types
so
that
we're
qualifying
the
open
space
before
it's
it's
being
proposed
and
delivered
by
the
developer.
This.
This
is
the
follow-up
to
that
in
terms
of
taking
it
directly
from
the
code,
so
it
they're
they're
communicating
in
the
app
application
that
they
are
using
these
five
open
space
types-
and
these
are
the
open
space
types,
the
details
associated
with
those
open
space
types
to
show
and
demonstrate
that
they're
they're,
in
conformance
with
with
the
requirements
of
open
space
within
the
block
plan,.
F
F
We
flip
the
focus
from
the
existing
code
so
that
we're
moving
away
from
the
building
type
regulations
that
the
kote
has
in
place
due
in
large
part
to
the
palette
being
extremely
narrow,
we're
again
we're
talking
about
over
500
acres,
and
if
you
were
working
with
a
pallet
of
six
building
types
to
fill
that
500
acres.
That
would
be
not
only
extremely
challenging,
but
it
would
be
extremely
homogenous.
F
You
need
you
need
more
to
work
with
in
order
to
to
create
the
type
of
environment
that
that
I
think
everyone
would
like
to
a
see
to
see,
implemented
and
delivered
in
this
area.
So
the
what
the
lot
plan
does
is
it
is.
It
speaks
to
the
specifics
of
of
what
the
lot
is
allowed
to
do
and
then
the
building
comes
in
and
has
to
meet
and
qualify
for
those
requirements,
but
what
it
does
is
it
expands
the
the
pallet
associated
with
building
types.
F
One
of
the
exercises
that
we
went
through
with
with
this
code
was
was
we
looked
we
at
one
point?
We
look
strictly
at
residential
building
types,
and,
and
so
we
we
put
together
a
tutorial
resource
that
that
was
then
tied
into
the
you
know.
The
relationship
of
the
plan
keys
to
show
and
I
believe
we
stopped
at
over
20
different
residential
building
types
that
are
allowable
under
the
code,
but
they're
not
allowable
everywhere,
because
of
the
the
character
in
context
is
going
to
change
as
you
move
from
district
to
district.
F
We're
addressing
we're
addressing
setbacks.
We're
addressing
lot
coverage,
we're
addressing
allowable
frontages,
based
on
the
lot
type,
how
big
the
buildings
can
be
in
terms
of
number
of
stories.
All
of
those
things
are
specifically
tied
to
the
lot
itself
and
that
then
becomes
the
measuring
stick
for
whether
a
building
can
can
work
with
that
particular
lot
type.
F
F
Also
I'll
also
put
it
right
out
there
that
what
what
we're
giving
you
in
terms
of
a
Tod
zoning
code
is
a
complete
change
in
the
operating
system
of
what
it
is
that
you're
used
to
my
hope
is.
Is
that
as
you've
as
you've
read
the
document
and,
as
you
know,
we've
hopefully
provided
more
background
to
to
go
behind
that
reading.
F
We've
we've
been
very
meticulous
in
in
identifying
and
compartmentalizing
those
decisions,
so
that
they'll
they'll
inform
future
decisions
as
they
come
about.
So
all
the
decisions
that
are
made
relative
to
the
development
area
plan
and
then
inform
the
district
framework
plan,
block
plan
lot
plan
and,
and
what
that
ultimately
does
is
it's
is
it's
going
to
make
everybody
better
decision
makers,
the
degree
to
which
a
developer
wants
to
meticulously
go
through
this
process
in
terms
of
step
by
step
by
step,
they
can
do
that.
F
F
I
Question
Adam
the
Commission
will
be
or
what
level
or
are?
Are
we
going
to
be
reviewing
these
these
development
proposals,
because
my
expectation
is
I?
Look
at
beings
lot
plans
and
block
plans
with
Papa
would
be
more
fitting
for
for
the
Planning
Commission,
not
the
Planning
Commission,
but
the
planning
staff
to
take
a
look
at
that
level
of
detail
while
we're,
while
we're
higher
up
looking
at
more
the
district
type
framework,
because
the
last
thing
any
of
us
want
to
should
be
doing
is
getting
buried
in
the
details.
So.
B
H
I
H
G
H
H
H
F
H
I
C
F
You're
you're
still
gonna
you're
gonna,
see
the
subdivision
plat
the
block
plan
and
the
reason
that
we're
doing
it
with
staff
is
it
in
essence,
the
staff
is,
is
setting
up
the
parameters
for
the
developer
in
terms
of
the
block
plan
approval
so
that
they
can.
They
can
move
things
with
and
from
the
developer
standpoint,
because
at
the
subdivision,
plat
level
you're
starting
to
spend
some
pretty
big
dollars
as
it
pertains
to
engineering.
The
block
pen,
in
essence,
is
a
precursor
to
the
subdivision:
plat
that
that
staff
is
helping
the
the
developer
to
get
ready.
F
K
So
I
think
this
may
be
a
little
bit
different.
The
block
plan
is
built
into
the
code
and
that's
what
we're
approving
tonight.
If
we
have
comments
on
the
overall
district
plan
or
block
plan
or
thing
like
that,
we
need
to
change
what's
in
this
document,
but
once
it's
code,
then
the
developer
has
to
meet
code
in
this
area,
just
as
they
have
to
meet
code
in
other
places
in
the
city.
K
Now,
within
this
area
it
comes
to
us
in
the
same
way
of
subdivision
comes
to
us
in
another
area.
So
when
Adam
stands
up
in
the
future,
he
will
say
this
subdivision
meets
code
by
meeting
the
requirements
of
the
block
plan,
that's
already
in
the
code.
So
if
we
have
concerns
or
issues
about
the
code,
then
then
that
needs
to
be
addressed
now,
as
opposed
in
the
future.
K
F
With
that,
just
to
kind
of
add
a
little
bit
to
it,
arguably
you're
gonna
you're
gonna
get
a
more
complete
subdivision
plat
because
it
has
been
vetted
by
the
block
plan
process.
You
will
have
the
you
will
have
the
block
plan
document,
the
submittal
that
will
accompany
the
subdivision
plan
to
show
you
the
show
you
that
they
are
in
compliance
with
with
their
with
their
block
plan.
F
H
F
Yeah
and
the
the
lot
plan,
the
lot
planned
process
and
the
details
that
that
are
associated
with
that.
That
particular
aspect
are
frankly
note.
I
shouldn't,
say
no
different,
but
it's
with
its
within
the
same
context
of
getting
a
building
permit
it's
just
it's
being
much
more
direct
in
terms
of
this
is
this
is
what
you
you
need
to
show
in
terms
of,
in
terms
of
your
your
conformance
to,
and
compliance
with
in
terms
of
the
relationship
between
the
between
the
building
and
the
lot
requirements.
F
K
Thing
that
I
really
like
about
the
whole
process
is
the
516
acres
right.
If
we
were
to
try
and
through
the
approval
process
under
the
old
system,
manage
the
development,
we
would
not
get
the
overall
picture
the
way
this
provides
the
overall
picture.
It
allows
for
a
lot
of
flexibility,
but
at
the
same
time
you
still
have
that
continuity
from
inside
out
and
so
I
go
back
to
the
comment.
I
like
the
way
this
is
laid
out
I
like
everything
about
it,
because
the
developer
still
can
do
what
they
want
to
do
with.
K
Narrow
the
parameters
are
but
they're
still
within
a
mixed-use
and
office
space
or
residential
and
all
of
those
things
and
the
thing
that
I
really
like
is
the
open
space
concepts
and
the
way
they
have
to
identify
what
open
space
they're
using.
What
does
that
mean?
What
does
that
look
like,
and
so
it
kind
of
blends
all
that
together,
so
I
guess
in
this
case
it's
like
a
master
plan
community.
You
say
to
yourself
I,
like
the
overall
concept
of
this
master
plan
community.
A
Well,
that's
the
one
question
I
have:
is
this
document
as
written
with
all
your
redline
changes
and
so
forth
of
the
staff
has
worked
with
you
on
all
of
these
last
few
months?
Is
this
document
before
us
now
ready
for
the
developer
and
the
city
to
move
forward?
Come
the
first
of
November
when
the
moratorium
is
lifted
on
the
Tod?
Can
those
two
parties
get
together
and
start
building
things
down
there
with
this
document,
as
it
is
right
now.
F
A
F
A
B
H
H
A
I
B
We've
been
sending
out
the
you
know,
any
drafts
to
them
are
ones
that
we
work
with
quite
often,
but
that
was
one
of
the
exercises
we
had
Mike
and
his
team
do
is
he
went
out
to
a
separate
entity
and
said:
okay,
here's
the
code.
Can
you
take
this
and
make
something
work
and
that's
what
he
was
showing
earlier,
someone
that
is
looking
through
here
and
saying:
can
it
work
and
are
there
problems
in
what
are
those?
And
so
that's
where
that
design
exercise
came
from.
B
M
H
J
Mr.
chair,
today
top
briefly
about
the
cross
sections,
okay,
so
mr.
chair
members
of
the
Commission
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about
and
I
think
is
his
coming
and
intended
to
do
it
kind
of
part
of
the
later
as
part
of
the
master
plan
discussion.
But
it's
as
good
a
time
as
any
through
looking
at
the
details
on
the
cross
sections,
the
ones
that
were
presented
to
you,
that's
what
we
have
before
you
tonight.
J
That's
what
we've
been
working
on
closely
through
you
know
getting
input
from
Mike
looking
at
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
accomplish
with
these,
but
I
did
want
you
to
know
that
we
worked
closely
with
David
a
lot
in
the
last
couple
of
days,
because
we've
received
quite
a
few
concerns
from
developers
from
others
about.
Maybe
these
cross
sections
that
we
have
before
you
tonight
are
a
little
too
wide,
and
so
we
were
looking
to
see.
J
Is
there
any
way
we
could
narrow
them
up
in
certain
places,
and
we
did
have
an
alternative
to
present
to
you
that
I
was
going
to
do
later.
That's
what's
pulled
up
here,
so
I
wanted
to
make
that
kind
of
a
general
statement
before
I
kind
of
hone
in
on
your
concern.
I
just
wanted
you
and
then
maybe
that's
why
but
I
thought
I'd
mention
that
maybe
it
would
be
good
if,
if,
if
it's
okay,
mr.
J
H
F
The
issue
of
a
hearing
officer
actually
came
up
when
we
met
with
the
city
attorney,
and
it
was
actually
upon
his
recommendation
that
that
we
added
that
particular
element
to
it.
The
all
the
hearing
officer
is
doing
is
is
when
there,
when
there
is
a
need
for
clarification
between
between
the
city
and
a
developer,
that
that
the
hearing
officer,
in
essence
is,
is
acting
in
a
in
a
mediation
format
to
to
address
to
address
the
particular
issue
at
hand.
So.
H
F
I
I
H
K
It,
my
guess,
is
that
there
is
a
clear
definition
of
what
a
hearing
officer
is
in
state
code
and
so
I'm
just
I,
don't
know
but
I'm
guessing
that
there
is
a
definition
of
what
a
hearing
officer
is
as
defined
by
the
state
of
Utah
and
and
so
the
attorney,
knowing
that
through
that
in
here,
and
maybe
that
needs
some
clarification.
But
my
guess
is
that
that's
what
that's!
What's
going
on.
K
H
F
K
Other
the
other
thing,
just
that
is,
after
a
City,
Council
decision
right,
the
appeal
and
variance
isn't
even
to
our
decisions.
Necessarily
that's
the
City
Council
decision
that's
been
made
and
they
want
to
appeal
something
along
those
lines.
Is
that
am
I
in
my
understanding,
that's
the
point
of
this
appeal
as.
F
It
was
explained
by
the
city
attorney.
It
was
that
it
was
actually
dealing
with
issues
before
they
made
it
to
City
Council.
So
if
there
was
need
for
interpretation
of
the
code
clarification,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
the
hearing
officer
that
would
help
to
clarify
the
issue
as
opposed
sitting
as
a
neutral
third
party.
F
You'll
you'll,
see
in
there
the
the
language
that
that
the
developer
or
the
the
applicant
is
meeting
with
the
hearing
officer,
as
well
as
the
the
assigned
planning
person
with
the
the
application,
and
it's
it's
for
the
earlier
clarifications,
as
opposed
to
as
opposed
to
something
where
they're
challenging
City
Council,
that
that's
not
what
that's
not.
What?
What
Tim's
objective
was
relative
to
the
hearing
officer.
F
M
F
The
the
beauty
of
what
the
code
is
doing
is
it's.
It's
really.
What
you're?
What
you're
you're
speaking
to
is
an
issue
of
form
relative
to
the
relationship
of
parking
in
the
buildings.
What
this
code
does
is,
it
actually
puts
the
precedent,
are
not
the
precedent,
but
it
puts
the
if
it
puts
the
the
the
focus
of
form
on
the
building
and
de-emphasizes
parking.
So
so
the
the
building
would
be
at
at
the
at
the
at
the
street
and
parking
is
actually.
F
If
you'll
go
back
and
look
at
the
the
parking
requirements
in
Section
six,
it
will.
It
will
talk
about
how
parking
actually
needs
to
be
screened
and
hidden
and
and
it's
taking
a
subservient
role
to
the
to
the
building,
with
the
intent
that
it's
it's
behind
as
opposed
to
in
front.
So
it's
addressing
its
addressing
the
concern
that
that
sandy
did,
but
what
what
sandy
is
doing
is
is
trying
to
retrofit
an
issue
where
the
pedestrian
is
is
frankly
in
second
position
to
the
car
as
it
pertains
to
the
parking.
F
A
A
F
The
the
code
actually
in
section
1
the
code,
the
code
actually
recognizes
other
other
elements
of
the
law
that
that
would
govern
you.
You
know
because
to
your
point,
if,
if
the
land
is
inadequate
to
support
a
structured
structured
parking
garage,
you
know
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
there
are
requirements
for
site
constraints,
so
that
those
those
type
of
issues
can
be
understood
relative
to
that
level
of
decision
making
and
the
issue
can
be
dealt
with.
So
it's
it's.
F
F
Yeah
and
those
those
details,
and
then
this
I
think
I
think.
The
issue
that
you
raised
is
actually
a
great
example
of
why
the
code
is
structured,
the
way
that
it
is
if
it
weren't
the
way
thing.
The
way
current
zoning
code
actually
is
intended
to
function.
Is
it
front
loads,
a
lot
of
that
decision-making?
And
you
know
the
guess
as
to
whether
a
particular
area
can
or
cannot
support
a
structured
parking
garage?
The
information
just
doesn't
exist,
and
so
it
puts
it
puts
bolted.
F
A
They
just
take
our
recommendation,
so
can
we
move
it
forward
with
lathe
information?
We
have
now
to
go
ahead
and
get
the
work
session
in
place,
and
that's
council
vote
on
the
23rd,
because
that's
we
if
we
go
through
everybody's
concerns,
now
we'll
be
here
for
three
days
just
going
through
our
concerns.
A
G
D
A
H
K
A
B
I
think
one
thing
you
may
want
to
do
is:
if
you
have
I
guess:
I
could
call
them
major
questions
or
concerns.
I
think
we
should
at
least
address
those
tonight,
not
necessarily
let
every
question
you
may
have,
but
if
there
are
groups
that
you
can
categorize
and
say
ok,
this
is
a
concern.
I
have
let's
at
least
bring
it
up
and
talk
about
it.
You
can
still
submit
your
questions
to
us,
but
at
least
we've
been
able
to
have
some
back-and-forth
dialogue
on
that.
B
G
K
G
K
C
H
F
G
F
There
there
are
16
foot
wide
residential
products,
and
that's
that's
really.
One
of
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
set
it
at
16
feet
was
understanding
what
the
market
is
doing
relative
to
higher
density
product.
Now,
with
with
that,
there
are,
there
are
other
issues
that
that
will
govern
if,
if
a
developer
wants
to
come
in
and
do
a
16
foot
light
products,
there
are
other
things
that
will
govern
it
in
order
for
it
to
produce
a
building
type
that
that
we're
going
to
be
comfortable
with
there
there's
a
parameter
as
two
garages.
F
That's
actually
specific
to
that
16
foot
wide
depth
in
that.
If
you
want
it,
there's
there's
a
provision
in
in
the
lot
planned
section,
6
section
that
talks
about
if
you're
going
to
do
a
two-car
garage
side
by
side,
the
the
minimum
width
that
the
lot
has
to
be
22
feet.
So
you
know
that's
and
then
the
aspect
of
where
the
garages
are
actually
placed.
That's
another!
F
That's
another
issue
that
the
the
code
address
in
section
6
relative
to
different
garage
types,
so
that
you
know
we're
not
getting
a
16-foot
wide
front
load,
shotgun
garage
that
just
that's
that's
not
going
to
work
it
has
to
it
has
to
be.
If
it's
16
feet
wide,
it's
an
alley
product
and
it's
and
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
1
car
or
a
shotgun
garage,
because
you
you're,
you
can't
do
it.
You
can't
do
anything.
Otherwise,
it's.
K
F
M
On
table
6
F,
there's
like
signage
standards
and
I,
don't
see
blade
signs.
Does
that
mean
that
it's
prohibited
or
I
just
think
blade
signs
an
important
part
of
walkability
so
that
the
pedestrian
can
see
what
the
stores
are
coming
up
and
there's
not
really
an
option
like
that
in
the
ones
that
are
listed,
I
see
blade
signs
in
the
in
the
the
dictionary
at
the
end
you
know,
but
I
I
just
don't
see
it
on
the
table.
There's
nothing
that
sticks
out
at
the
pedestrian
level.
A.
F
Blade
a
blanket
could
very
easily
be
added
to
the
yeah
cuz.
You
know
with
I
I'm,
actually
glad
that
you
you
you,
you
mentioned
the
signage,
because
that's
one
of
the
the
the
the
aspect
of
dealing
with
signs
in
the
in
the
code
is
one
its
it's,
because
it's
intended
to
be
a
uniform
code,
and
these
are
all
sign
types
that
are
more
specific
to
you
know,
generating
a
pedestrian
environment
and
and
doing
things
at
human
scale.
I
I
I
don't
think
it's.
F
F
And
that
that
would
be-
and
that's
another
example
of
other
regulation
that
that
has
a
voice
in
this
as
it
pertains
to
a
da.
So
you
know
those
issues,
those
that
issues
have
to
be
met.
The
code
doesn't
address
those
specifically
because
they're
covered
in
in
other
areas
of
law
that
that
city
staff
has
to
follow.
M
Possible
corner
types:
it
had
lots
of
pictures
of
different
corners
that
you
could
use
where's
that,
anyway,
the
openings
of
the
corners
were
all
there.
We
go
page
101,
I'm,
just
uncomfortable
with
the
image
of
the
sidewalks,
pointing
to
the
tip
of
that
corner,
because
then
the
ad,
a
Half
Dome,
is
going
to
face
out
into
the
middle
of
the
street.
M
F
I,
if
I
understand
the
the
area
that
you're
talking
about
in
the
code,
there's
a
whole
there's
a
whole
grouping
of
of
requirements.
Yes
and
that's
that's
one
of
them
so
there's
a
whole
grouping
of
requirements
that,
on
the
direction
of
Scott,
will
actually
be
part
of
a
an
accompanying
document
of
engineering
standards
that
he
wanted
to
have
and
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
have
outside
of
the
code,
because
those
things
are
going
to
change
a
lot
more
frequently
and
if
they're
embedded
in
the
code,
it
bogs
down
those
aspects
of
regulation.
F
So
so
Scott
has
it
and
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
document,
but
it's
a
it
will
be
a
governing
set
of
documents
that
are
engineering
based
that
are
specifically
tied
to
the
to
the
Tod
area,
engineering
standards
that
have
to
deal
with
with
roads
and
sidewalks
and
so
forth
that
we've
pulled
from
that.
And
then
we
reference
back
that
particular
set
of
documents
outside,
so
that
it's
it's
not
encumbered
by
the
by
the
zoning.
The
specific.
K
I
F
H
F
The
the
snow
storage
in
table
5b
is
is
dealing
with
assigned
snow
storage
areas
in
alleys
and
rear
lanes.
So
it's
it's.
If
if
there,
if
there
are
no
alleys
or
rear
lanes,
snow
storage
doesn't
isn't
being
accounted
for,
because
your
your
your
snow
storage
is
occurring
differently
on
the
on
public
streets,
so
that
that's
a
that's
an
issue.
That's
specific
to.
F
N
N
F
N
F
What
you
will
what
you
will
see
when,
when
the
district
framework
plan
comes
before
you
is
how
they
are,
how
they
are
showing
conformance
with
those
operational
overlays,
and
if
there
are
any
adjustments
that
occurred
relative
to
the
the
overlays
that
that
will
also
be
demonstrated
and
explained
as
to
the
decision
making
that
went
with
you
know,
let's
say
moving
a
an
alignment
of
a
of
one
of
those
road
corridors.
Let's
say
you,
you
know
they
want
to
move
at
four
hundred
feet
to
the
north.
Okay.
Well,
what's
the
justification
for
that?
That's,
that's!
F
A
F
I
mean
again
that
good
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
If
you,
if
you
want
it,
it
does
make
it
simpler.
If
there's
consistency,
you
know
a
lot
of
cities,
don't
have
accessory
dwelling
unit
ordinances,
they
they
prohibit
us
way.
I
commend
you
for
having
one
because
I
think
that's
a
it's
a
very
good
thing
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
a
rental
housing
type
within
the
community.
H
F
F
K
N
I
F
Yeah,
so
if
you,
if
you
want
to
make
a
recommendation
that
that
that
comes
out,
that's
that's
fine.
I
think.
The
important
thing
is
that
there's
there's
an
opportunity
for
accessory
units
and
if
it
makes
it
if
it
makes
it
easier
to
have
it,
have
those
aligned
with
what
you
have
in
your
existing
code.
I
think
we're
all
for
that.
For
simplicity's
sake,
yeah.
H
I
Just
have
a
clarification
on
the
weight
finding
just
because
it
says
that
they're,
not
it
says,
they're
not
subject
to
specific
regulations
on
quantity,
size
or
design.
They're
permitted
within
the
public
realm
are
managed
by
the
city
and
on
private.
Non
residential
properties
can
consistently
in
multiple
buildings,
so
are
for
a
sense
of
community
I
mean
wait,
are
we
are
we
saying
they
can
have?
So
if
any
block
can
have
different
wayfinding
or
we
want
to
have
that?
Have
wayfinding
signs
to
consistently
apply
throughout
the
DoD?
I
F
I
guess
I
guess
a
an
addition
to
that
thought
is
one
of
the
things
conformity
through
the
entire
area
relative
to
design
I
think
would
be
something
that
you
don't
necessarily
want
to
have
because
you
eat
district.
You
know
we,
we
call
them
character.
Districts
in
order
to
I
guess
reinforce
that
each
each
district
will
have
its
own
character
and
its
own
feel
and
based
on
you
know,
such
things
is.
You
know
the
level
of
intensity
within
a
given
district.
I
To
see
some
adjustment
and
maybe
adjustments
on
the
signs
themselves,
you
know,
but
one
of
the
other
things
I'm
thinking
of
is
when
this,
when
this
developer
hands
this
over
to
the
city.
Now,
if
you
have
varying
wayfinding
signs
throughout
holy
cow,
try
to
try
to
maintain
that,
so
you
know
signs
get
damaged,
they
get
blown
over.
You
know
whatever
I
think.
If
we
can
at
least
have
a
consistent
dimension,
consistent,
you
know
style,
and
then
they
can.
They
can
maybe
make
some
adjustments
on
the
sign
itself.
A
M
In
parking
landscaping
requirements,
it
was
page
88
in
the
document,
but
it
said
four
parking
stalls
less.
So
it
said
every
25
parking
stalls
years.
You
need
to
have
so
many
trees,
but
for
parking
stalls
less
than
50
spots,
you
don't
have
to
have
trees
and
I.
Think
that
shouldn't
be
fifty
I
think
it
should
be
less
than
25.
G
F
A
K
Mr.
chairman
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
recommend
approval
of
the
amendments
to
section
17.4,
0.608
American,
Fork,
City
Development
code
regarding
the
transit-oriented
developments
with
comments.
As
noted
in
this
meeting
already
and
comments
submitted
in
writing
by
Planning
Commission
members
attached
to
the
current
document.
Whatever
that.
A
K
Has
been
a
long
time
and
has
has
been
through
a
lot
of
iterations
and
a
lot
of
work
been
put
into
it.
So
I,
don't
time
is
an
issue
and
we
all
want
to
get
home,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
the
value
of
the
comments
that
were
made
and
the
time
that
was
spent
even
looking
at
that,
because
every
little
bit
counts,
and
so,
even
though
we're
here
it's
nine-thirty
third
times
we
have
10-minute
meetings
and
we
get
to
go
home.
K
A
A
B
Again
this
we
discussed
this
a
little
while
ago.
This
is
actually
a
part
of
the
overall
Tod
code
and
the
reason
we
switched
them
is
there.
Wasn't
we
couldn't?
Have
you
look
at
this
and
make
a
recommendation
on
this
before
the
code,
and
so
that's
why
we
switched
those
up
again.
What
the
development
area
plan
is.
Is
this
basically
becomes
part
of
our
cities,
land-use
map?
It
also
marries
the
transportation
plan
with
the
land
use
plan
underneath
it.
H
B
That's
why
those
are
on
our
plans,
so
we're
able
to
approach
entities
like
mag
to
get
to
help
with
the
funding,
for
that
we've
also
got
some
things
going
on
kind
of
in
order
to
make
kind
of
a
if
you
will
a
transit
loop,
and
this
is
just
one
element
of
that
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
a
point
where
development
has
to
stop,
but
as
long
as
it's
on
our
long-range
plans,
we
anticipate
that
that
will
happen
and
we'll
do
everything
we
can
to
help
facilitate
that.
H
G
B
H
K
A
H
O
O
So
when
a
couple
of
the
things
that
the
city's
looking
at
one
is
what's
called
a
CRA
Community
Reinvestment
zone,
our
area
and
then
the
other
one
is
a
trz,
a
transit
Reinvestment
zone
and
that's
a
new
mechanism
that
the
state
legislature
put
in
effect
last
legislative
session.
It's
really
raw,
it's
really
broad.
We
don't
know
exactly
how
that
works.
The
intent
is
to
partner
with
another
public
agency,
like
the
state
of
Utah,
like
UTA
or
like
UDOT,
so
that
funding
can
then
start
rolling
in
based
on
that
area.
O
O
This
is
not
just
an
American
Fork
issue
that
that
that
station
services,
many
people
outside
of
American
Fork,
and
because
of
that
we
need
we
need
some
assistance
from
on
the
state
level
to
help
with
the
flyover
to
help
with
the
the
station
relocation
and
to
help
with
the
connection
from
that
area
down
to
the
vineyard
connector.
So
it's
it's
a
work
in
progress
and
and
there's
not
one
answer.
That's
gonna
solve
probably
all
of
those
questions.
O
So
the
impact
visas,
they're
written.
Of
course,
you
know
this.
This
body
looked
at
our
impact
ease
we
revised
those.
Last
year
we
had
the
impact
fee
facility
plan,
the
I
FFP.
The
flyover
is
not
a
component
of
the
IFP
and
neither
is
the
the
station
relocation,
the
platform.
Relocation,
that's
not
part
of
the
impact
fees,
so
those
impact
fees
are
more
local.
Those
are
more,
those
are
more
projects
like
200
south
or
the
widening
of
a
local
Road
up
to
an
arterial
or
a
collector.
O
Yeah
and
it
does
need
to
so
because
it's
tax
tax
increment,
we
need
to
set
a
base
year
for
what
the
base
tax
level
is
and
then
the
addition,
the
growth
on
that
tax
level
is
really
where
that
tax
increment
comes
back
to
the
city.
So
we
are
we're
moving
forward.
We're
trying
to
get
everything
together
to
set
that
base
year.
N
O
A
J
So
I
know
it
is
a
long
night
and
I'm
sorry
I
will
you
are
working
very
hard
and
I
do
want
to
thank
you
all
for
everything,
so
I'll
be
as
brief
as
I
can,
but
a
couple
of
things
I
do
want
to,
but
we
do
need
to
talk
about
as
part
of
this
item
and
I'd
actually
ask
maybe
John
and
Kevin.
If
you
want
to
just
kind
of
come
up
a
little
bit
closer
to
help
answer
any
questions.
We
really
had
this.
J
K
H
A
K
A
A
H
H
A
D
G
J
So
the
transportation
and
excuse
me
the
the
updates
to
the
master
plans.
The
transportation
is
one
of
them
we
have
before.
You
basically
request
to
update
the
transportation
master
plan,
the
water,
culinary
water,
master
plan,
sanitary
sewer
and
the
pressurized
irrigation,
and
really
these
are
four
elements
of
the
general
master
plan,
and
so,
rather
than
I,
don't
have
a
formal
presentation
for
you.
J
You
may
have
known
in
the
email
that
I
sent
that
basically
the
only
things
of
substance
that
change
are
the
four
attachments,
and
maybe
we
could
take
a
look
at
the
the
road
one
I
think
it's
I,
pretty
sure
it
should
be
in
the
packet,
if
not
I,
should
it
should
be
in
the
packet,
if
not
I've
got
it
here,
we're
not
to
the
cross
sections.
Yet,
that's
okay,
though
I
promise
it's
coming.
A
J
If
not
I've
got
him
in
the
email,
I
think
I
thought
it
was
in
the
packet
there
we
go
and
it's
so
it's
it's
a
huge
document.
Camden
I'm!
Sorry,
if
you
don't
mind
just
kind
of
scrolling
through
it,
it's
figure
like
three
point:
four,
which
is
in
there
and
maybe
I'll
just
chat
a
little
bit
about
that,
but
essentially
what
what
we're
asking
for
with
the
transportation
master
plan
change-
and
this
is
where
I
want
John
and
Kevin.
If
you've
got
anything,
don't
be
shy,
you
know
pull
as
David
was.
J
J
Okay,
this
is
the
things
that
we
are
looking
for
in
Camden
I,
don't
know
if
you
could
scroll
down
and
wolf
want
to
focus
kind
of
in
that
there
area
on
the
the
lower
left
of
that
document.
There
we
are
asking
you
to
approve
the
modifications
to
the
transportation
master
plan
that
essentially
air
the
dashed
lines.
That's
really
what
has
changed
and
the
it's
the
the
main
new
addition
are,
the
those
east-west
roads
there
is
yeah
there
we
go
either/or,
that's
this
is
the
the
main
one.
The
other
is
the
alternative.
J
The
inset,
but
the
blue
dashed
line
that
is
kind
of
right
through
the
middle
is
roughly
350
self.
That
is
through
the
review
of
the
master
plan
documents
and
they
all,
through
the
master
plan,
review
that
we've
done.
We
identified
that
as
an
additional
road
that
we
needed
to
add
to
help
with
the
east-west
connectivity.
That
is
not
shown
in
the
current
master
plan
document.
J
The
light
blue
I'm
not
sure
what
color
did
call
it
I
guess
that
is
north
of
of
that
area
right
there.
That
is
a
business
collector
loop.
We
don't
have
a
name
for
it
yet,
but
we
wanted
to
show
that
as
something
that
be
very
important
and
then
the
little
connections
between
the
200
South,
exactly
right,
where
the
cursor
is
those
are
additions
as
well
effectively
with
the
transportation
master
plan.
Those
are
the
only
changes
from
what's
already
on
the
books.
J
There
are
a
few
places
in
the
document
itself
where
this
figure
is
referenced,
where
it
talks
about
these
roads.
Those
are
what
have
changed
as
well
with
the
water,
the
pressurized
irrigation
and
the
sewer.
Then
those
three
elements
of
the
master
plan
basically
changed
a
lot
of
the
alignments
of
those
lines
to
match
this
and
that's
effectively
the
the
changes
that
we've
made
Kevin.
Do
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to.
D
J
You
do
please
please
do
that,
your
your
chance
for
fame
or
John
same
okay,
just
if
there's
anything
I've
forgotten
and
so
really
I.
That's
that's
what
we're
asking
you
to
make
a
recommendation
that
we
could
then
take
this
to
the
City
Council
to
approve
these
changes
to
the
master
plan
and
why
this
is
important,
as
this
allows
us
to
require
these
roads
to
be
able
to
work
with
developers
on
reimbursement
agreements
on
a
variety
of
things
to
get
those
roads
built.
J
J
A
D
J
I
J
The
entirety
this
is
where
we
really
wanted
to
make
this
road
be.
The
focus
is
to
be
able
to
get
people
to
that
north-south
Road,
which
is
700
West,
the
one
that's
kind
of
a
tan
color.
That's
the
flyover
goes
to
the
vineyard
connector
on
the
south,
and
in
reviewing
it
we
really
felt
that
it
didn't
make
sense
to
poke
it
through
the
neighborhood.
It
may
continue
as
a
road,
but
it
would
be
more
of
a
local
Road.
So
what
we're
really
only
showing
here
are
the
non-local
roads.
If
you
will.
K
J
Correct
this
is
just
the
masterplan
non-local
roads,
they're
gonna,
be
a
lot
more
roads
throughout
the
whole
development,
then
are
shown
here,
but
they
would
all
be
local.
Roads
would
be
not
eligible
for
reimbursement
agreements.
They
would
be
built
to
local
standards
in
accordance
with
the
the
Tod
code
that
you
just
got
through
reviewing,
but
there
would
be
a
lot
more
roads.
A
J
So
the
are
one
of
our
comments
are
in
the
code
and
recommendations
to
the
council
is
to
do
just
what
I
described
so
in
a
way.
I
guess
what
I'm
saying.
If
that
is
our
recommendation
and
David,
then
please
Tugg
me
if
I
misspeak
here,
so
our
request
to
you
tonight
is
not
necessarily
to
approve
and
recommend
to
approval
of
the
City
Council.
J
What
those
standard
details
would
be,
but
I
wanted
to
still
talk
with
you
about
it,
so
that
I
could
explain
kind
of
where
we're
thinking
hear
your
questions
hear
your
concerns,
because
we
want
need
your
input
just
like
we're
going
to
have
the
input
with
the
council
as
well
and
discuss
it
with
them.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
clear
distinction
that
our
intention
is
in
hope
is
to
not
put
these
details,
these
cross
sections
into
code.
J
So
if
hopefully,
that's
clear
and
if
it's,
if
not
I'm,
sorry
it's
getting
late,
I'm,
probably
brains,
not
working
quite
as
well,
but
what
I'd
like
to
do
basically
is
is
let
you
know
again.
What
we
put
in
the
packet
just
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
is
what
we
have
before
you
tonight
with
some
of
the
original
thoughts
in
reviewing
things
closely.
David
and
I,
and
some
of
my
staff
got
together,
talked
about
what
are
some
of
the
ways
that
we
can
trim
these
up.
We
made
some
adjustments.
J
A
K
J
Basically,
it
would
come
in
through
my
department,
obviously
I'm
gonna
consult
with
David
and
keep
him
informed
and
he'll
keep
the
council
informed
of
things
that
we're
looking,
but
we
felt
strongly
that
it
would
help
us
to
be
able
to
make
changes
easier
if
something
came
up
that
we
needed
to
tweak
a
width
here
or
there.
If
there's
something
in
the
these
cross-sections,
that
needed
to
be
done,
that
we
would
do
that
on
a
staff
level.
I.
H
G
H
J
K
H
J
J
J
Okay,
this
document
says
where
those
roads
are
and
what
what
they
are.
This
is
a
District
Collector,
let's
say,
and
it
goes
right
here,
that's
not
what
we're
asking
you
to
be
pulled
out.
It's
just
what
does
that
mean?
How
wide
is
that,
where
the
drive
lanes
those
so
it's
a
distinction
in
between
where
the
roads
are
and
what
that
looks,
like
so
I
I'm,
sorry
to
interrupt
you
on
that
one
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was
clear
to
everyone.
J
J
H
J
This
document
that's
up
on
the
screen.
Right
now
is
the
transportation
part
of
the
general
plan.
So
the
changes
that
we're
asking
you
to
make
are
to
approve
the
additions
of
those
extra
roads
that
became
you
can
use
them
back
in
just
yeah
I'm,
sorry,
just
those
extra
roads
that
I
called
out
that
are
the
essentially
the
blue
and
the
light
blue.
So
really
we
do
need
your
approval
tonight
on
that.
We're
asking
for
your
recommendation
to
approve
the
addition
of
those
roads
to
the
master
plan.
J
A
A
J
Not
I
wanted
to
have
that
conversation
with
you
tonight.
Get
your
input
see
if
there
was
anything
that
concerned.
You
comments
on
the
cross
sections
that
we
could
still
discuss
and
again
we
could
do
that
one
of
two
ways.
Mr.
chair,
we
could
look
at
what
we
presented
before
you
and
see.
If
you
had
any
questions
or
if
not,
we
could
go
straight
to
the
alternatives
that
we've
developed
in
the
last
couple
of
days
and
just
show
you
what
changes
we
think
we'd
like
to
make
different
than
what
was
in
your
packet.
A
J
J
J
L
A
Let's
go
ahead
open
meeting
for
public
hearing
just
to
get
it
out
of
the
way
in
case
anybody
wants
to
address
that
on
that
issue,
we're
looking
at
me
for
public
hearing
on
the
amendments
to
the
general
plan,
no
one's
stepping
forward
and
close
the
public
hearing
now
do
we
want
to
have
a
motion
on
the
amendments?
First,
they
talk
about
the.
A
J
Yes,
but
that
changed
specifically
what
we're
really
looking
for
right
now
from
the
council
when
we
go
to
them
and
the
23rd
really
only
pertains
to
the
Tod,
so
the
Tod
code
that
you
saw
and
discuss
just
previous
to
this.
This
item
had
that
change
in
its
a
comment
that
we
are
making
to
the
council
and
are
going
to
request.
That
of
the
council
on
the
23rd.
Is
that
just
for
the
Tod,
those
cross
sections
not
be
placed
in
code
that
they
allow
and
authorize
the
creation
of
the
separate
the
Tod
cross
sections.
H
J
A
K
J
J
L
G
J
A
J
Process
has
started
and-
and
you
know
I,
that
is
the
intent,
but
for
now
really
the
only
new
document
that
we're
wanting
to
create
right
now
are
just
Tod
cross-sections,
which
is
just
really
what
I
was
wanting
to
just
limit
the
discussion
on
tonight
to
present
to
you
what
I'm,
thinking
and
I
also
appreciate.
Oh
there
he
is
Ken
Berg
that
that's
here,
so
he
could
kind
of
see
what
we're
thinking,
because
we
have
looked
as
I
said
David
and
the
staff.
J
J
J
M
A
A
E
K
B
Only
thing
I
was
going
to
cover
under
other
business
is
we're
back
to
our
regular
schedule
after
tonight.
So
our
next
meeting
will
be
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
in
November
I.
Believe
it's
the
seventh
and
then
we
will
not
have
a
second
meeting
in
November
because
that's
the
night
before
Thanksgiving.
So
we
have
one
meeting
in
November
and
then
two
meetings
in
December
so.
B
I
I
B
Typically,
when
you
have
public
comment
at
stuff,
that's
moving
on
to
council.
If
it's
just
like
a
site
plan
like
the
ice
bending
that
didn't
you
know,
there's
there
was
no
need
for
a
hearing
on
that.
So
it
was,
they
met
the
code
and
you're.
You
know
we're.
We've
basically
said
yes,
they're
meeting
the
code
on
this,
but
if
it's
something
that
the
council
has
discretion
on,
then
yes,
that's
where
your
hearings
come
in,
so.
B
G
B
A
B
D
I
E
I
I
A
B
A
J
Chair,
yes,
I'm
ready,
so
if
it's
okay,
I'm
going
to
just
stay
over
here,
I
think
it'll
be
easier
for
me
than
standing
up
there.
Excellent
I'll
try
to
try
to
speak
into
the
microphone
here.
So
I'm
gonna
start
with
this
one.
So
Christine
this.
This
is
in
it
ready.
This
is
the
V.
J
What's
in
your
packet,
okay
and
I
figured
I'd
start
with
the
core
collector,
so
these
are
the
north-south
roads,
they're
two
of
them
900
west
and
roughly
it's
probably
going
to
be
about
1,100
west
and
it's
basically
about
a
block
and
a
half
it's
the
section
between
200,
south
and
350
south,
which
is
that
new,
east-west
road
that
you
approved
minutes
ago.
This
is
what
we
were
looking
at,
and
this
is
what
is
in
your
packet.
J
And-
and
thank
you
by
the
way,
also
for
attending
I
know
you
were
at
the
joint
work
session.
I
did
want
to
point
out.
We
did
I
know
two
of
the
changes
or
the
big
change.
Excuse
me
that
was
made
was
to
flip
the
Parkway
and
the
cycle
track
which,
as
you
see,
we've
done
here
and
not
just
here
on
this
one,
but
with
all
of
them
and.
H
J
Let
me
go
ahead
and
address
that
and
David
again
you
can
yank
my
arm
here,
not
my
ponytail,
but
if,
if
there's
something
to
add,
please
please
do,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
we
view
this
is
they're.
Probably
in
that
short
segment,
we
don't
envision
a
lot
of
driveways
anyway,
a
lot
of
entrances
in
that
there
may
be
some
that
will
not.
H
J
J
O
Keep
in
mind
that
most
of
these
units
are
gonna
be
rear
loaded
there.
The
intent
is
not
to
have
a
whole
bunch
of
driveways
facing
these
public
roads.
They
will
be
interior,
they'll,
be
on
the
local
roads,
but
they
won't
be
on
the
master-planned
widened
cross-sections.
So
the
intent
is
to
keep
very
few
driveways.
They
wouldn't
really
be
driveways,
they
would
be
alleyways
or
they
would
be
additional
streets
that
come
into
these
roads,
and
so
there
won't
be.
You
know
we
talked
about
frontages.
O
H
O
J
We
would
not
want
to
allow
on
this
is
this
is
again
not
a
local
road.
These
are
the
main
main
roads.
We
would
not
want
to
allow
a
whole
bunch
of
driveways
on
this
road
because
it
is,
it
is
it's
a
collector,
as
it
says
it's
a
neighborhood
collector,
and
so,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
whole
lot
of
driveways,
it
would
not
be
on
fronting
this
road.
The
houses
might
front
it,
but
but
not
not
the
driveways.
J
J
We
did
look
at
that
option
too,
and
it
is
an
option
it
is.
It
is
the
the
font
and
looking
at
this
was
to
be
able
to
just
kind
of
get
it
a
little
bit
further
separate
from
the
cars
further
from
the
driveways
to
essentially
try
to
use
that
two
foot
of
the
curb
and
gutter
or
part
of
that
as
part
of
that
buffer,
and
you
can
see,
you've
got
the
shoulder
where
the
parking
is
and
the
thought
was,
people
might
use,
let's
say
six
inches
or
maybe
a
foot
a
so
of
the
gutter
pan.
J
Usually
people
don't
put
their
tires
right
on
the
on
the
concrete,
so
we
thought
well.
Why
don't
we
take
advantage
of
that
and
use
part
of
that
as
a
buffer,
so
that
was
the
thought.
There's
there's
absolutely
nothing
wrong
with
what
you're
suggesting,
and
that
is
a
change
that
could
be
made.
But
that
was
the
thought
of
us
of
why
we
did
this.
A
J
J
O
A
subdivision,
your
subdivision
height,
you
guys,
maintain
you
know
every
lot
owner
maintains
their
frontage.
So
if
this
is
the
development
like
that,
then
then
the
lot
owner
or
the
HOA
the
store
owner,
whoever
will
be
maintaining
that
they'll
snow
plow,
the
sidewalk
they'll
maintain
the
planner
strip.
You
know
they'll
make
sure
that
the
trees
get
watered.
All
of
that.
A
O
J
O
A
O
D
J
H
J
Lot
of
is
the
is
the
whole
point.
Is
these
these
collectors
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
are
intended
completely
to
be
focused
on
pedestrian
friendly
cycle
friendly
token
parking?
Yes,
cars
are
welcome
to
get
here,
but
the
idea
is
this:
these
streets
will
be
used
pretty
much
to
get
people
to
that
350,
south
or
700
south,
which
is
at
the
bottom
South
End,
and
then
to
get
them
over
to
700
West,
which
I
skipped
over
intentionally.
That's
the
first
one
here
you
see.
J
This
is
that
road,
which
is
geared
towards
the
cars
first
pedestrians
and
bikes
second,
but
we
want
these
collectors
to
be
very
low
speed.
This
is
not
the
same
concept
as
a
collector
that
you
see
elsewhere
in
the
city,
just
in
the
two
'ti,
the
collectors
that
I
was
looking
at
previously
or
probably
we're
looking
at
25
miles
an
hour,
correct
David
is
it's
that
kind
of
a
concept
and
that's
15,
but
it's.
This
is
probably
25
max.
H
N
H
J
People
the
intention
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
David,
is
that
you
this
would
not
be
for
stopping
and
standing
in
the
driveway
ins,
so
I
mean
they
made
stop
in
the
parallel
parking.
But
the
idea
is
is
that
probably
most
deliveries
would
be
encouraged
to
be
rear
deliveries
through
the
back
streets
through
the
alleyways
through
the
other
things
that
are
not
shown
on
this
area,
it
would
be
able
to
drive
through.
A
A
G
H
J
G
M
J
P
G
A
J
A
J
A
J
I
think
we
want
to
still
make
sure
there
is
place
to
walk,
which
this
is
plenty
of
place,
to
walk
window
shop
and
still
have
you
know:
you're
parked
a
picnic
tables
tree
here
and
there
light
posts
here
and
there
you
know
whatever
it
may
be
so
I
hit
the
core
collector
I
hit
the
neighborhood
collector
again.
This
is
what
the
major
we
call
it
major
arterial,
the
only
Street
this
applies
to
is
700
west,
and
this
is
the
street.
That
is
the
flyover
and
it
does
connect
to
the
vineyard
connector
on
the
south.
J
J
There
is
a
five-foot
sidewalk,
but
you
see,
there's
no
parking,
there's
shoulder
and
there's
two
travel
lanes
in
each
direction
because
we
view
this
as
handling
a
fair
amount
of
traffic,
probably
a
substantial
amount
of
traffic,
and
so
this
is
really
forms
that
barrier
on
the
edge
of
it
kind
of
the
east
edge
of
the
Tod.
So
are
the
questions
comments.
A
A
J
Okay,
so
let
me
just
skip
on
back
down
here
then
the
district
connector,
so
the
only
Street
that
this
applies
to
is
that
new
350
south
street
that
you
approved
as
a
new
addition
to
the
master
plan.
So
you
know
with
that.
Maybe
I'll
just
ask
if
there
are
any
questions
it's
similar,
but
it's
as
you
can
see.
The
idea
is
it's
a
little
bit
wider
here,
because
we
think
it'll
carry
a
little
bit
more
traffic
than
those
north-south.
J
A
J
Residential,
this
is
more
of
a
I,
won't
say,
submit,
maybe
I'll,
say
suburban.
That
might
not
be
the
right
word,
but
it's
much
more
residences
people
out
for
a
walk,
whereas
the
white
of
sidewalks
are
up
here
in
the
core
and
we
feel
that's
where
the
really
the
white
sidewalks
need
to
be,
because
this
is
where
you're
going
to
have
people
doing
the
window
shopping
the
eating
on
the
sidewalk,
the
you
know
the
shuffleboard
chess
boards,
who
knows
whatever
else
could
be
along
there.
This
could
happen
down
here,
but
it's
probably
a
little
less
likely.
J
G
J
We
were
looking
at
this
is
the
business
core
loop
section,
and
this
is,
if
you
think,
back
to
the
in
that
master
plan
document.
This
is
the
dashed
line
that
is
north
of
200
South.
It
runs
primarily
east
and
west,
but
can
I
have
a
little
bit
of
an
angle
for
part
of
it?
This
is
really
getting
up
close
to
the
train
station.
All
that
area
on
the
very
north
edge
of
the
Tod
and
again
we
feel
this
is
going
to
be
a
pretty
heavy
commercial
retail
business
area,
hence
again
very
wide
sidewalks.
J
D
I
J
Are
coming
in
there?
It's
good
input!
That's
that's
very
good
input,
so
my
my
scribe
who's,
my
boss,
is
dutifully
taking
notes.
I
see
himself.
No,
no!
We
will
that
I.
Think
that's
at
this
is
again
why
we
wanted
to
have
this
conversation,
because
those
are
really
good
points
so
really
scrolling
on
down.
This
is
the
rear
lane,
residential,
so
in
the
residential
neighborhoods.
This
is
where,
if
there
is
a
a
rear
access,
this
is
where
it
would
be
and
there's
a
residential
and
then
here's
a
non-residential
rear
alley.
A
J
A
G
G
A
C
J
J
J
So
again,
this
is
kind
of
some
of
the
generic
detail
when
it
gets
into
the
specifics
there
would
be,
you
know,
details
that
would
have
to
be
worked
out
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
like
how
long
are
these
turn
Bay's
going
to
be.
You
know,
that's
gonna,
be
things
that
traffic
studies
bear
out
on
what
those
would
be,
but
the
we
do
have
a
few
dimensions
here
that
we
have
added
in
and
again,
I
can
kind
of.
You
can
kind
of
see
some
of
the
notes
where
the
tracks
are
I'm.
I
Q
Q
A
I
J
A
A
J
And
so
they
will
be
higher.
There
will
be
an
actual
curb
here.
You
see
that
here
are
the
ramps.
Here.
Are
this
the
Podesta?
The
cycle
ramps
here
are
the
pedestrian
ramps
so
that
basically,
a
pedestrian
or
recycle
could
continue
ramp
down
pedestrians
ramp
down,
but
other
than
that
like
in
this
area.
Particularly.
This
would
be
that
that
bold,
that
curb
out
there
is
a
refuge.
J
So
let
me
scroll
down
here.
We
wanted
to
show
you
generally
what
a
mid-block
crossing
would
look
like
if
we're
where
these
might
be
on
a
lot
of
these
streets,
where
we
would
want
to
be
able
to
provide
it
so
that,
if
particularly
in
the
core,
there
may
be
these
as
well,
but
this
is
a
generic
one
of
what
it
would
look
like
again,
you
have
a
bulb
out
here.
That
would
be
at
least
10
feet.
Here's
your
cycle
track!
This
is
the
pedestrians
would
here
they
would
need
to
cross
the
cycle
track.
J
J
G
I
I
G
I
J
A
great
suggestion
you
know
so
there's
there's
a
variety,
a
couple
of
different
ways
to
do
that
we
could
have
the
the
RFR
FFPs,
like
you
see
up
there
or
the
Hawks
I,
don't
think
we're
looking
at
a
hawk
system,
necessarily
but
I,
don't
know
and
I
hope,
I'm,
not
speaking
out
of
turn
but
I
know.
I
we've
had
a
couple
of
these
down
in
an
old
place
where
there
are
actually
lights
in
the
pavement
right
here.
J
The
flash
and
it's
kind
of
a
really
neat
deal
that
you
walk
between
two
boards
here
and
that
sense
is
that
somebody's
there
and
it
sends
the
little
flashing
I,
don't
know
if
you
ever
seen
those
David,
if
you
like
them,
but
they're,
actually
pretty
cool.
If
you
go
down
to
Bernalillo
New
Mexico,
it's
one
of
the
best
Mexican
food
restaurants,
you
ever
want
to
find
it's
called
the
range.
J
J
J
Is
true,
we
are
planning
on
the
200
South
design
that
we've
talked
about
extensively.
Of
course,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
it,
but
that
makes
an
awful
lot
of
sense
that
where
we
have
this
this-
and
just
so
you
know
this,
so
this
particular
section
right
here.
As
you
see,
it's
got
the
the
the
the
the
two-way
turn
lane
in
the
middle
it
it.
This
is
not
in
the
the
core
collector.
J
P
H
M
M
J
Perfect,
for
that,
that's
a
perfect!
So
that's
the
end
of
this!
This
is
what's
in
your
packet.
Are
these
so
these
drawings?
So
unless
you've
got
any
more
questions,
concerns
comments.
I'd
sure
like
to
be
able
to
move
on
to
some
of
the
suggestions.
We
were
looking
at
doing
an
arrow
mop.
Yes,
if
you're
ready,
then
okay,
you
know
what
I
think
I'm
gonna
do
that
flash
drive
out
again
bear
with
me
for
technical.
Unless
you
got
it
pulled
up.
A
A
G
Q
I
G
K
O
J
N
A
J
J
M
M
J
Right,
sorry,
it
was
the
sidewalk
yep.
It
was
all
from
the
side,
but
sidewalks
were
eight.
This
is
basically
taking
both
sidewalks
from
eight
down
to
six
and
that
gets
you
the
four
feet,
so
that
would
narrow
this
from
92
to
88.
So
again,
we're
interested
in
your
input,
your
thoughts,
your
feelings
on
on
that
change.
M
J
O
A
development
comes
in
and
they're
being
asked
to
give
so
much
wider
than
a
normal
subdivision
Road.
You
know
when
you
add
up
that
extra
width
times
the
length
of
all
of
these
roads.
We've
literally
had
developers,
call
us
and
say:
do
you
know
what
this
means
financially?
This
is
a
two
million
dollar
take
in
property
by
making
these
roads
this
wide
and
and
they
can
show
us
the
numbers
and
so
we're
not
saying
that
we
want
to
go
down
to
a
regular
sized
right-of-way
for
a
regular
subdivision.
G
O
We
anticipate
is
that
would
be
where
the
face
of
the
building
and
then
that
four
feet
would
actually
be
hard
surface.
So
it's
it's.
That's
the
area
that
they're
going
to
be
able
to
set
their
building
elevation
and
and
then
make
that
transition
to
the
sidewalk
in
that
four
feet,
but
it'll
be
most
likely
hard
surface
right
to
the
sidewalk.
A
A
J
In
it
mentioned
that-
and
you
know
David,
that
is
one
of
the
things
we
didn't
talk
about
a
whole
lot
that
mr.
chair,
that
was
one
of
my
comments
too.
Is
we
wanted
to
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
really
want
pervious?
We
didn't
in
these
details
here
we're
looking
at
wits.
We
didn't
get
really
into
it
for
these
details,
but
it
is
a
discussion
we
need
to
have
and
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we're
convinced
that
we
want
to
have
pervious
concrete.
A
J
I
J
G
J
J
That's
a
good
question:
I
think
I
was
envisioning
a
seem
particularly
mitten
and
I.
Think
where
we're
envisioning
a
seam
is
maybe
I
probably
ought
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
construct
ability
and
the
timing
on
this.
A
lot
is
with
these
this
core
collector,
for
instance,
we
would
have
we
envision,
probably
the
bulk
of
these
roads
before
the
buildings
are
built,
and
let
me
give
you
a
real
example:
Willow
Glen
who
has
been
in
here
before
and
has
approved
it.
J
There
are
radio
in
the
hook,
they're
planning
on
building
900
West
and
we're
gonna
have
them
build
it
from
one
end
to
the
other.
Through
the
the
parcel
that's
gonna
to
their
North
West,
we
are
looking
at
having
them
build
as
part
of
their
requirements
from
basically
the
the
cycle
track
on
the
or
I'm
sorry,
the
curb
and
gutter.
On,
though,
on
the
west
side,
all
the
the
full
width
of
the
street
and
the
full
everything
on
the
east
side-
everything
that's
over
there,
except
for
the
six-foot
sidewalk,
which
the
idea
is
is
now.
J
This
is
I,
probably
should
have
said
this
on
the
previous
one.
When
we
were
looking
at
having
the
no
setbacks
and
the
the
wider
and
the
building's
going
right
up
to
it,
we
didn't
want
to
have
those
sidewalks
put
in
and
then
later
as
the
building
foundations
and
footings
are
having
to
go
right
up
to
it.
Tear
it
out,
so
we
were
looking
at
having
for
the
short
term.
J
The
park
strip
effectively
function
as
this
sidewalk
until
those
buildings
get
built
and
then
that
sidewalk
gets
built
by
the
person
building
that
building
now
that
we've
looked
at
possibly
doing
this
instead
and
having
a
setback,
we
may
want
to
revisit
that
David.
We
hadn't
really
talked
about
that,
but.
J
That's
the
intention,
so
it
would
be
the
same
material.
It
would
be
concrete.
Like
I
say
there
may
be
a
seam
there
because
it
may
be
installed
at
different
times,
but
I
mean
a
walkable
seam.
It's
not
a
you
know
a
gutter
or
anything
like
that,
but
well,
let's
take
a
look
real
quickly,
then
at
the
neighborhood
collector
cross-section.
So
this
we're
looking
at
89
and
I'm
gonna
pull
up
and
make
sure
that
I
refresh
my
ailing
aging
memory.
This
is
only
three
feet
difference.
J
So
if
you
remember
that
we
shave
four
foot
off
of
the
core,
we
shaved
three
feet
off
of
this
one
and
essentially
the
place
where
we
got
it
was
the
park
strip.
We
got
a
foot
from
each
of
the
park
strips
the
park.
Strips
were
seven
feet
now,
there's
six
feet
and
the
final
we
actually
and
a
six
inches
off
of
each
cycle
track.
That's
right!
That's
right!
So
one
foot
from
the
park
strip
and
a
half
a
foot
from
the
cycle
track
times
two
sides
of
the
roads.
J
A
J
Have
not
shown
these
new
things
that
were
shown
you
tonight
to
any
developers,
so
this
is
kind
of
its
unveiling,
because
literally
we
it
was
this
week
we
looked
at
said.
How
can
we
narrow
it
down,
and
it
was
yesterday
that
we
finished
putting
this
together
so
part
of
the
reason
we
wanted
to
show
it
to
you.
First
figured
we'd
have
a
developer
to
here.
We've
got
that
cannon
in,
in
he's
at
least
five
personalities,
so
we've
got
some
representation.
A
J
Q
G
H
J
Ken
is
right
that
guaranteed
they're
gonna
ask
but
you're
right
that
that
doesn't
mean
a
guaranteed.
Yes
answer:
the
reimbursement
agreements
are
completely
at
the
discretion.
I
was
looking
with
the
right
word
of
of
the
City
Council
right
and
so
they're
at
the
discretion
of
the
City
Council.
So
the
City
Council
would
make
that
decision.
Of
course,
they'll
they'll
get
a
recommendation
from
us
and
that's
one
thing:
I
think
that
we
would.
We
would
want
to
talk
about
and
I
think
your
your
point
is
is
valid.
It.
J
J
J
So
members
of
the
Commission
again
this
is
700
West
we
changed
it.
Did
we
didn't
change
this
at
all?
Did
we
David?
Yes,
we
did.
Yes,
we
did.
We
did
not
change
the
width
of
this
road.
It
was
84,
it
still
is
84,
but
we
thought
it
would
be
better
to
have
an
extra
foot
of
sidewalk
on
the
east
side,
which
is
the
right,
if
you
will
we're
visualizing
if
you're
looking
north
here
on
this,
so
the
east
side
looking
north
is
the
right.
J
So
we
went
from
a
five
foot
sidewalk
to
a
six
foot
sidewalk
and
on
the
west,
which
is
the
left
of
your
screen.
It
went
from
11
foot
to
12
foot,
so
we
added
sidewalks.
Where
did
we
get
that
from?
We
got
them
from
the
the
shoulders?
We
went
from
a
four
foot
shoulder
to
a
three
foot
shoulder.
That's
the
only
change
on
this,
and
this
is
one
that
I
think
we
feel
pretty
strongly
about.
We'd
rather
have
narrower
shoulders,
because
it's
really
only
a
little
bit
of
buffer
and
put
that
curve.
J
I
Question
the
more
I
think
about
this
now
on
700
West,
with
it
connecting
the
type
of
Road
that
it
is
and
where
and
what
is
connecting
to
I
could
see.
I
could
see
this
being
a
cycling
route,
for
you
know
not
not
just
someone
not
on
a
residential,
you
know
just
biking
through
the
neighborhood.
You
know
an
actual
cyclist
you
know
going
and
taking
taking
and
they
write
on
the
road
they
do.
So
if
you
have,
if
we're
only
providing
a
three
foot
shoulder
that
makes
it
kind
of
dicey.
I
N
N
N
N
G
G
I
J
I
just
was
going
to
this
section
is
from
200
South
going
south,
so
from
200
South
going
north
up
over
the
tracks.
This
would
not
be
the
section
we
actually
would
drop
a
lane
and
and
I
think
we
haven't
developed
that
cross
section.
For
that.
But
I
think
that's
one
thing
we
would
want
to
look
at.
Where
would
the
bikes
go
on
that
and
I'm
sorry
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
So
you.
P
H
J
Is
this
84
foot,
basically,
where
it
came
from,
was
back
when
we
it's
its
base,
that's
the
exact
width
of
a
print
and
may
a
principal
collector
in
in
90
OD
areas.
So
we
took
that
looked
at
this
modified
it
and
just
unfortunately,
one
of
the
things
is
that
we're
constrained
a
little
bit
on
some
existing
developments
that
are
out
there.
J
So
here
is
the
district
connector.
Let
me
just
go
ahead
and
pull
this
up
here
as
well.
So
this
was
96
feet,
we've
gone
down
to
87
and
the
differences
are
what
we
did
did
with
this.
One
particularly
is
actually
quite
a
few
things
different
is
we
got
rid
of
the
parking
on
one
side
and
got
rid
of
the
cycle
track
on
the
other
side,
so
everywhere,
where
we
have
the
cycle
tracks,
they
are
one-way
cycle
track,
that's
either
six
or
six
foot.
This
is
now
a
two
way
cycle
track
on
the
north
side.
J
One
of
the
things
we
did
do
and
we
meant
to
do
and
sorry
is
to
label.
But
if
you
would
picture
the
the
right
of
your
screen
here
is
South
and
did
I
get
that
right.
David
the
right
is
South.
We
said
the
cycle
track
on
the
south
and
the
parking
on
the
north,
so
the
left
of
your
screen
is
the
north,
so
there
is
still
in
that
where
it
says
eight-foot
shoulder
on
the
kind
of
towards
the
left.
J
J
E
J
So
so
that's
essentially
where,
where
it's
saved
up
was,
was
by
eliminating.
You
know
the
parking
from
effectively
if
limiting
the
parking
from
one
side
and
it
eliminated
the
need
for
a
buffer
on
the
the
the
north
side,
which
is
again
the
left's
screen
the
buffer
between
the
cycle
tracks.
So
when
you
add
all
that
up,
it's
it,
basically,
it's
shaved
off
nine
feet,
total
and
I
can.
If
you
want,
we
can
toggle
back
and
forth
between
here
and
look
at
it.
But
that's
that's
the
substantial
difference.
D
D
I
J
J
This
is
the
core:
if
you're,
okay,
I'll,
move
on
to
the
business
core
loop,
this
is
another
one.
We
looked
at
changing
substantially
and
if
you
remember
right
in
the
previous
ones
that
I
showed
you
it
was
98
feet.
So
this
shaved
11
feet
off
of
it.
This
is
the
one
that's
north,
the
furthest
north
end
of
the
Tod,
that
major,
east-west
road
and
same
thing
with
we
took
it,
some
of
it
from
the
park
strip.
Oh
no
I'm!
Sorry,
we
added!
So
we
had
eight-foot
sidewalk.
That's
the
same.
We
had
a
seven-foot
Park
strip.
J
O
J
Took
out
the
parking
that
was
it,
that
was
it.
We
took
out
the
parking,
so
we
had
a
seven
foot,
six
parking.
That
was
the
difference
and
that
that
eliminated
the
need
to
have
quite
as
wide
of
that
three
foot
or
the
to
have
his
white
of
a
buffer.
But
but
we
did
put
in
a
three
foot
shoulder
and
then
we
added
the
same
thing
that
four
foot
setbacks.
That
was
not
there.
On
the
previous.
J
G
J
R
J
D
H
J
J
Why
we
really
looked
at
that
to
weight
cycle
track,
is
being
really
appropriate,
especially
for
350
South
was
that
that
is
a
barrier.
That's
not
the
right
word,
a
a
border,
mister.
The
word
I
was
looking
for
a
border
between
the
core
district
and
the
garden
district,
so
you
have
all
the
the
colors
that
Mike
showed
you.
The
different
districts
so
essentially
you've
got
commercial
retail
on
the
north
side
of
that
road,
where
we
felt,
let's
leave
the
parking
there
and
then
residential
on
the
south
side
of
the
road.
J
Let's
put
a
two
way
cycle
track
there,
so
it
it
functions
in
many
ways,
is
a
transition
between
those
two
districts
this
this
isn't.
This
is
all
still
in
the
core.
All
of
this
is
this
is
in
the
core
except
May.
I
think
the
very
west
end
goes
into
the
office.
What's
it's
not
called
the
office
district
that
what
it's
called
the
blue
one?
Okay,
it's
the
office
district.
J
J
Camden,
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
just
move
to
the
very
last
one
which
was
the
alleys
and
I?
Think
we
didn't
change
these
at
all?
Did
we
if
I
remember
right,
David
yeah,
we
didn't
change
him
at
all,
or
did
we
nope?
We
didn't.
We
did
not.
So
really
that's
the
only
changes
again.
These
are
our
thoughts
that
we've
developed
in
the
last
couple
of
days.
In
response
to
some
of
the
comments
and
criticisms
that
we've
received
from
some
of
the
development
community.
N
O
J
N
P
J
Thank
you
thank
you
for
giving
it
we
we
wanted
to
bring
these
to
you
even
though,
like
a
sailor
intentions
to
put
these
in
not
in
the
code,
we
knew
you'd
have
a
lot
of
good
input
and
you
have
you've
given
us
a
lot
of
great
ideas,
things
that
when
you
really
need
to
look
at
and
consider
so
with
that,
mr.
chair,
that's
that's
all
I've
got
for
tonight
and
that.