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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting April 21, 2021
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on April 21, 2021 at 7 PM.
To view the meeting agenda visit: http://www.apopka.net/agenda
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A
Call
the
april
21st
city
council
meeting
to
order
we
have.
Commissioner,
banks
is
going
to
give
us
the
prayer
pledge
and
the
fact
of
the
day.
B
Let's
pray
heavenly
father,
we
again
come
before
you
this
evening.
We
ask
for
your
wisdom
and
your
grace
as
we
decide
on
behalf
of
the
citizens
of
this
city,
things
that
are
important
to
each
and
every
one
of
them
give
us
wisdom
as
we
look
at
these
issues
and
make
the
best
decisions-
and
we
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
your
abiding
protection
over
us
as
we
continue
to
live
together
in
jesus
name,
amen.
C
B
Liberty
and
justice
for
all
fact
of
the
day
on
april
24
1800,
the
library
of
congress,
was
established
by
president
john
adams,
the
president
approved
legislation
to
purchase
books
for
use
by
congress
by
1802.
There
were
964
volumes
and
9
maps
in
1814,
the
british
invaded
dc,
burned
the
capital
and
the
library
which
contained
over
three
thousand
books
at
that
time.
B
In
an
effort
to
help
restart
the
library
former
president,
thomas
jefferson
sold
his
personal
library
to
congress.
Unfortunately,
two
thirds
of
the
library
collection,
including
jefferson's
collection,
was
destroyed
by
a
fire
in
1851
congress
eventually
rebuilt
the
collection,
and
today
the
library
of
congress
is
one
of
the
largest
libraries
in
the
world.
It
is
housed
in
three
buildings
containing
more
than
17
million
books,
as
well
as
millions
of
maps,
manuscripts
photographs,
films,
audio
and
video
recordings,
prints,
drawings
and
digital
materials.
B
D
B
E
F
Changes
yes
mayor,
I
have
one
it's
just
a
scrivener's
there
that
I
want
to
on
the
actual
agenda
under
public
hearing
item
number
eight
ordinance
2832.
F
H
C
A
All
right,
thank
you,
edward
okay,
we've
got
a
couple
presentations.
I
thought
we'd
get
our
newest
chamber
of
commerce
president
up
to
kind
of
give
us
a
little
give
us
our
introduction.
We
we
all
got
to
see
her.
A
As
a
matter
of
fact,
all
the
city
council
was
there
last
night
to
to
greet
kate
manley
came
to
us
via
missouri,
and
so
we
we
are
so
proud
to
have
her
here
in
apopka,
so
she
started
on
monday
and
she's
been
drinking
out
of
a
fire
hose,
so
we're
glad
to
have
kate
here.
So
we
just
want
to
give
her
a
little
background
of
you
know
where
she's
been
and
how
she
got
here
and
then
a
little
bit
about
the
the
new
website.
So
kate
take
it
away.
Yes,.
I
I
Working
on
some
edits
that
are
needed
and
and
kind
of
part
of
the
creation
of
the
grow,
apopka.com
website
it
is
live
and
we
will
be
creating
a
marketing
plan
to
get
that
out
and
promote
it
over
the
next
few
days
and
weeks.
I
would
ask
that
I
believe
that
the
commissioners
have
seen
the
site
if
you
have
feedback
it's
new
as
of
even
an
hour
ago,
I
was
still.
I
If
you
have
feedback,
I'm
open
to
that,
you
have
my
email
or
my
phone
number,
you
can
give
me
a
call,
because
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
invest
and
promote
that
it
is
accurate
and
if
there's
additional
information,
I'm
happy
to
meet
with
you
and
do
the
edits.
I
do
have
the
ability
to
to
do
that.
The
plan
is
that
going
forward
once
we've
fully
launched
and
we're
marketing
and
promoting
it
is
that
I
will
keep
it
up
to
date,
myself
until
further
notice.
So
we
can
keep
it
fresh.
I
A
J
Well,
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
him
twice
on
her
first
day
at
work
and
then
again
on
last
night
and
we're
glad
to
have
you
in
the
city
of
apopka
and
we
look
forward
to
having
a
great
partnership
and
a
relationship.
Thank
you.
Welcome
aboard.
B
E
I
go
to
the
sentiment.
Welcome
had
a
good
conversation
with
you
last
night.
I
look
forward
to
having
many
more
excited
about
what
you
have
to
bring
to
the
table.
So
awesome,
good
luck,.
A
All
right,
jim
was
supposed
to
do
our
the
presentation
on
rental
developments,
but
obviously
bobby's
gonna
pinch
hit
for
him
tonight.
I
just
thought
something
we
should.
We
should
at
least
have
a
little
better
understanding
is
kind
of
a
new
concept
which
is
whole
neighborhoods
being
built
for
rent,
not
single
family
residence
versus
you
know
apartments.
So
I
thought
it's
something
that
you
know
as
we've
got
three
I
know
and
got
a
couple
more
probably
coming.
A
D
You,
mr
mayor,
bobby
howe,
planning
manager
penchanting
for
gemhead
tonight,
as
the
mayor
is
saying,
we're
starting
to
kind
of
see
a
new
trend
in
development
coming
to
the
city,
build
to
rent
developments.
We
had
a
meeting
about
a
month
or
so
ago
with
a
group,
taylor
morrison,
and
they
said
we
want
to
meet
with
you
and
talk
about
btrs
and
other
btrs.
You
want
to
talk
about
business
tax
receipts
with
us,
but
I
had.
D
D
Our
land
development
code
does
not
contain
a
mechanism
regarding
this
type
of
development
and
it
appears
that
this
trend
is
being
driven
by
young
professionals
and
young
families
who
want
single
family
homes
and
empty
nesters
who
want
to
downsize
but
do
not
want
to
live
in
an
apartment,
but
they
like
the
feeling
of
living
in
a
single
family
home.
So
this
is
something
that
staff
is
still
learning
about,
but
there's
some
information
out
there
that
we
wanted
to
make
the
commission
aware
of
and
with
that
I'll
attempt
to
answer
any
questions.
G
For
bobby,
I
did
read
the
I
read
the
whole
thing
and
I
had
gotten
an
invitation
actually
from
invitation
homes
where
they
were
kind
of
talking
about
it.
It
was
an
interesting
article,
but
of
course
the
concerns
that
I
was
thinking
about
was
what's
the
long-term
consequences
of
building
communities
that
are
strictly
for
bill
to
rent.
G
I
mean
it's,
it's
convenient
right
now
because
you
know,
of
course,
covet
and,
and
it
allows
families
to
move
into
a
home
instead
of
an
apartment.
G
But
I'm
wondering
what's
the
long
term
I
mean
the
most
that
I've
saw
here
was
one
particular
community
was
from
2005
until
now
and
those
are
when
you
sat
down
with
them.
What
was
what
were
some
of
the
things
that
they
shared
about
bill
torrent.
D
Basically,
they
said
this
is
kind
of
a
new
thing
that
they're
doing
a
lot
of
these
established
home
builders,
taylor,
morrison,
morrison
and
specifics
one
of
them,
which
is
kind
of
marketed
as
a
higher
end
developer.
This
is
something
that
they're
kind
of
pushing
now
they're
starting
to
see
this
trend.
They
do
these
a
lot.
They
said
down
in
sarasota,
it's
primarily
where
they've
been
developing
them
in
florida,
but
they're,
seeing
the
orlando
market
is
kind
of
opening
up.
They
have
management
companies
that
run
them
just
like
an
apartment
complex.
D
You
know,
and
that's
what
they've
told
us
so
far
now
with
the
ones
that
have
been
approved
as
platted
fee,
simple
developments
such
as
billion
reserve,
median
point
country,
crossings
and
zara
brook
they
have
homeowners
covenants.
So
when
they
came
through,
they
seemed
just
like
a
homeowners
association.
So
I
think
that's
the
mechanism
that
they
use
to
kind
of
regulate.
D
G
G
So
how
does
that
affect
us
in
the
city
of
apartment,
because
it
seems
like
everybody's
coming
here
to
build,
and
so
the
last
thing
I
want
to
kind
of
is
to
have
at
some
point
five
to
ten
years
from
now
we
start
to
have
blighted
areas
because
people
prefer
not
to
live
in
apartments.
Now
we
have
all
these
empty
apartments,
and
then
you
have
the
bill
to
rent.
Is
there
an
opportunity,
at
some
point,
with
the
bill
to
rent
that
they
can
have
the
home
ownership,
or
is
it
just
strictly
built
to
rent.
D
D
I
mean
in
theory
those
could
be
sold
to
somebody
because
it
would
be
no
different
than
a
single
family
home
and
then
they
have
homeowners
covenants,
but
as
far
as
the
horizontal
apartment
style
that
we've
seen
one
or
two
proposals
for
I
would
think
it
would
be
run
just
like
an
apartment
complex
with
a
management
company
enforcing
restrictions.
And
I
mean
I've
lived
in
apartments
where
they
had
pretty
strict
restrictions
on
the
residents.
And
if
you
didn't,
you
know,
follow
they
ask
you
to
leave.
A
B
C
G
D
And
I
can
reach
out
to
our
point
of
contact
with
taylor
morrison
and
maybe
if
he
can
send
us
some
restrictions
that
they
have
on
the
books
for
some
of
their
communities,
apparently
their
management
company.
It's
called
christopher
todd
communities
and
I
think
they're
based
out
of
scottsdale
arizona
and
they
developed
these
communities
in
partnership
with
taylor,
morrison
and
christopher
todd's
website
and
very
nice
looking.
You
know.
B
Excellent
questions-
and
I
was
thinking
along
that
same
line-
it
sounds
good,
but
what's
the
long-term
effect
and
you
kind
of
answered
my
main
question
on
that,
how
do
we
keep
this
from
denigrating
not
to
stereotype
a
renter
versus
a
homeowner,
but
there's
that
that
home
owning
the
homeowner's
pride
that
they
have
in
that
and-
and
it
sounds
like
the
approach
to
this-
is
the
hoa
type
of
a
mentality
where
they
will
keep
that
standard
high.
So
it
doesn't
degrade
itself
over
term.
B
They
want
to
get
their
money
in
the
end.
So,
but
I
I
totally
agree,
we
need
to
look
at
our
own
regulations
on
that
and
anything
that
we
can
glean
from
others
who've
already
gone
through
this
process.
I
really
would
like
to
see
we'll
do
some
research.
D
G
A
Yeah,
I
just
I
just
that's
really.
I
thought
we
would
want
to
at
least
kind
of
have
this
discussion
and
and
then
we'll
have
bobby,
go
back
and
kind
of
see
if
there's
some
things
that
we
maybe
would
want
to
mirror
some
other
communities
have
already
kind
of
been
into
this.
This
kind
of
a
system
for
a
while
so
appreciate
you
bobby
the
research
you
did
on
this
and
look
forward
to
coming
back
with
some
some,
maybe
some
ideas
on
some
absolutely
language.
A
A
L
Well,
good
evening,
as
you
said,
my
name
is
pamela
ripley
and
I've
been
a
resident
of
apopka
since
1984,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
you
about
flooding
issues
that
have
been
occurring
in
sheller
oaks
and
lake
hamera
state.
Since
2018
lake
hammer
is
a
receptacle
for
the
stormwater
system
for
500
plus
homes
in
these
communities.
L
After
over
80
homes
flooded
in
1995,
the
city
was
issued
a
permit
by
saint
john's
river
water
management
district
to
pump
the
excess
water
from
lake
hammer
to
an
off-site
retention.
Excuse
me
retention
area.
Since
the
pumping
started
there
hasn't
been
any
flooding
in
the
area
since
for
over
20
years,
however,
in
2019,
my
home
completely
flooded
when
the
storm
water
system
was
overwhelmed
during
an
afternoon,
storm
and
rain
water
came
over,
the
entire
foundation
surrounding
streets
and
yards
were
flooded
and
the
entire
neighborhood
was
basically
in
my
area.
L
So,
unfortunately,
if
I
hadn't
placed
50
sandbags
around
the
house,
I
would
have
flooded
out
again
because
I
came
back
in
2020
and
nothing
had
changed.
So
I
know
they've
been
the
city's
been
aware
of
the
flooding
issues,
because
mayor
nelson
and
the
previous
public
services
director
had
been
quoted
in
2019,
saying
the
city's
storm
water
system
had
been
neglected
and
underfunded.
L
However,
we've
been
told
through
emails
that
we're
not
to
expect
any
report
any
work
to
be
performed
this
year
and
that
those
living
the
floodplain
should
not
expect
any
help
at
all.
So
those
that
need
to
help
the
most
we're
told
we're
not
getting
any.
We
were
also
told
that
structural
flooding
would
be
limited
and
not
widespread.
L
L
We
also
found
that
issues
with
inlets
and
catch
basins,
as
well
as
the
need
for
more
inlets
retention,
ponds,
leg,
dredging
and
a
permanent
pump
and
monitoring
system,
but
we
really
feel
that
minimal
to
no
action
is
being
taken
to
avoid
further
funding
for
future
fun
flooding,
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
this
isn't
caused
by
hurricanes.
This
is
the
typical
afternoon
rainstorms
that
we've
been
having
that
we
did
anywhere
from
june
to
november.
L
We
didn't
have
any
flooding
for
20
years
from
1996
to
2017,
and
then
it
started
my
neighbor
who
lives
has
a
five
and
seven
year
old
children.
They
get
physically
ill
when
it
starts
to
rain,
because
they're
worried
about
the
flooding.
I
have
permanent
sandbags
around
my
house
right
now,
and
it's
just
discouraging.
A
Yeah
I
mean
we're,
hopefully
have
the
report
back
from
our
consultant,
I
mean
we'll
we'll
we
plan
on
putting
the
pump
back.
You
know
again
this
year.
You
know
one
thing
that
we
we
did
last
year,
which
we
we
had
somebody
on
the
other
side
of
the
lake
which
we
know
we've
already
talked
about
is
they
complained
that
we
we
pumped
the
lake
down
too
low
and
so
yeah
we're
battling
that.
A
I
know
what
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
end
up
being
is
a
couple
of
additional
inlets
that,
according
to
the
consultant,
we
haven't
gotten.
Obviously
the
written
report,
the
the
pipe
is
not
undersized
it's
we
might
not
have
enough
grates
or
inlets
to
get
into
the
pipe
and
that's
you
know.
L
According
to
the
reports
that
I
read,
they
were
prepared
by
the
city
of
apopka.
The
pipe
is
undersized
because
it
takes
a
half.
It
only
takes
an
inch
of
water,
a
rainfall
to
go
into
the
lake
to
raise
it
and
it
takes
a
week
to
get
it
down
so
with
the
size
pipes
that
are
in
there,
and
this
is
from
the
reports
that
were
done
by
the
city
of
apopka
way
back.
When
so
I
mean
I'm
going
by
your
own
engineering
report.
C
L
A
L
And
it's
not
being
pumped
down
fast
enough!
Because
if
we
get
because,
according
to
the
the
the
reports
that
I've
read
that
come
right
off
of
your
technical
reports,
that
I've
looked
at
from
the
that
were
prepared
by
the
engineers
with
the
city
of
apopka.
H
A
Right,
I'm
not
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
you
there.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
they're
saying
that
the
flooding
at
the
homes
is
not
due
to
the
lake
level.
It's
due
to.
We
can't
get
enough
water
into
the
into
the
pipe.
So
it's
backing
up
not
getting
in
the
pipe
so
we're
talking
about.
I
don't
know
vlad.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
it
or
are
you.
M
L
A
But
we
we
intend,
to
put
the
I
mean
until
we
get
the
report
back,
we
will
definitely
put
the
the
pump
back
there.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
just
putting
an
electric
pump
there,
so
we
can,
we
can
keep
down
but
but,
like
I
said,
we've
had
somebody
on
the
other
side
of
the
lake
that
told
us
that
we're
below
what
the
st
john's
will
allow
us
to
pump
it
to
so.
L
L
L
L
A
L
A
L
There
may
be
a
need
for
more
retention
ponds,
because
that
one
lake
is,
I
don't
think,
is
enough
for
all
those
500
plus
homes.
I
mean
everything
is
going
into
that
lake
and
there's
yeah
yeah.
I
mean
it
needs
to
be
when
that
was
built
there
weren't
nearly
that
many
homes
in
the
area,
and
so
we're
I
mean
you-
could
see
the
water
gushing
down
the
street.
The
big
trash
cans
float
away.
A
K
B
L
G
L
A
No,
we
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
take
care
of
it.
We're
gonna
we're
gonna
get
the
inlets.
I
mean,
I'm
sure.
If
that's
what
the
consultants
tell
us
to
do
to
get
it,
you
know
to
get
people
houses
from
or
keeping
the
water
off
the
streets,
and
that's
that's
what
we're
going
to
do
so
and
we'll
have
the
pumps
in
there
like
we
did
last
year
to
pump
the
lake
down
to
the
level
whatever
the
lowest
level
we
can
get
going
into
the.
L
Saying
they
thought
it
was
the
more
of
a
favor,
they
were
doing
when
they're
required
to
pump
down
and
report
the
same
saint
john's.
You
know
at
a
regular
intervals
what
it's
supposed
to
be
and
the
last
emails
were
like.
Well,
we'll
do
it,
but
we
don't
think
it's
helping
at
all.
It's
been
very
discouraging,
especially
you
know
when
this
has
been
going
on
since
2018,
and
then
we
turn
around
and
the
city
can
jump
on
spending
5
million
for
camp
weiwa
and
they
won't
do
a
one-time
fix
for
us.
G
C
A
L
A
What's
that
on
in
the
hundred
years,
yeah.
C
G
So
my
question
is:
what's
the
worst
case
scenario,
I
mean
what
would
be
a
resolution
for
to
at
least
address
this
problem.
I
don't
think
it's
fair
that
we
keep
telling
the
same
residents
or
that
you
should
live
in
your
home
with
50
sandbags.
I
I
mean-
and
this
has
been
going
on
for
over
two
years-
three.
L
G
F
Mayor,
can,
I
add,
sure,
okay,
so
commissioners,
then
what
I'd
like
to
add
is
for
the
last
couple
years:
we've
we
have
done
a
lot.
We
went,
we
went
in
we,
we
we
took
pictures
of
the
pipes
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
we've
done
everything
we
can
possibly
do
to
this
point
for
to
cleaning
them
checking
to
make
sure
things
are
right,
working
with
st
john's
to
where
can
we
draw
down
to?
F
How
far
can
we
draw
making
sure
we
stay
within
those
guidelines,
and
then
what
has
happened
is
we've
had
to
do
a
study
to
figure
out
we
couldn't
we
can't
we're
trying
we're
looking
to
to
the
consultant
to
give
us
the
advice
of
what
what
can
we
do?
We've
tried
everything
we
know
to
do.
We've
been
pumping
it
down,
we
went,
we
went
in
and
looked
at,
took
photos
of
the
lines
to
try
to
clean
them
out.
So
we
had
a
study
done
and,
like
mayor
was
saying.
F
F
We've
been
working
really
hard
to
try
to
find
a
solution
for
this
we've
trying
to
do
everything
we
can,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
the
right
solution,
especially
you
know,
because
we're
going
to
be
investing
some
dollars
into
this,
and
I
wanted
to
make
that
clear
tonight.
There
is
appropriation
in
your
budget.
You
did
budget
in
this
fiscal
year
for
the
study
and
four
there's
some
money
for
construction.
F
So
once
we
find
out
which
is,
this
is
our
normal
process.
Once
we
find
out
what
needs
to
be
done,
then
we,
you
know
we'll
be
able
to
come
back
with,
hopefully
some
recommendations
and
some
solutions
that
a
solution
that
will
help.
But
I
do
want
you
to
know
that
it's
that
there
is
there
are
dollars,
appropriated
or
funded
for
this
particular
project.
We
just
we
just
need
to
know
what
will
that?
What
will
the
solution
be?.
G
L
O
I'm
my
name
is
esmeralda
and
I've
been
emailing
the
city.
I.
O
When
you
know
the
water
backed
up
on
markwood,
drive
and
crossfield
drive,
and
it's
been
very
stressful
for
my
children,
I
have
a
five
and
a
seven
year
old.
I
mean
I
have
a
video
right
now,
if
you
guys
want
to
see
it
where
my
children
are
hysterical
crying
in
the
background,
because
the
water
is
just
coming
up
in
our
street,
it
has
come
so
close
to
our
door,
I'm
almost
half
a
mile
away
from
where
my
neighbor
lives
and
it's
not
a
flood
zone
area.
O
So
you
know
just
to
clarify
it's
not
just
happening
in
that.
You
know
mill
run
area
by
the
lake,
it's
also
happening
further
up
on
larko
drive
and
crossfield
drive.
So
it's
an
ongoing
issue
where
we've
been
sending
email
after
email.
You
know
when
ducati
was
the
director
he
got
emails.
Then
I
got
in
contact
with
mr
edward
bass.
I
know
that
they
hired
jeff
weatherford
richard
irv,
the
mayor
nelson.
O
O
L
A
L
L
G
C
O
These
afternoon,
storms
and
the
concern
is
when
we
get,
you
know,
hurt.
Thank
god.
We've
been
dodging
all
these
hurricanes,
but
what's
going
to
happen
when
we
get
24-hour
48-hour
rain,
continuous
rain,
what's
going
to
happen,
then,
okay,
you
know
so
I
mean
we
are
begging.
You
we're
pleading
with
you.
We've
sent
email
after
email
after
email
and
it's
like
it's
very
discouraging
and
very
frustrating
not
to
get
any
help.
I
mean.
I
know
you're
waiting
for
the
and.
L
G
So
right
now
you're
not
dealing
with
it
and
that
right
now
it's
not
because
it's
been
dry,
thank
god,
but
maybe
the
the
answer
for
us
or
this
or
to
help
you
right
now
is
when
you
do
have
the
rain
coming
in
then
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
the
city
would
have
something
in
place
that
they
can
get
to
your
community
to
help
the
flooding
at
that
particular
time,
but
right
now
they.
What
they're
saying
is
that
right
now
they
can.
G
I
know
that's
what
I'm
asking
them.
J
J
C
M
F
F
Report
back
to
the
council
that
study
and
the
results
of
the
study,
and
then
we
can
put
together
a
timeline
and
keep
in
mind.
You
know
we
we
have
things,
we
can
do
you
guys.
You
know
our
procurement
policy
allows
for
situations
where,
if
we
need
to
expedite
or
whatever
we
do
have
state
statutes,
we
have
to
follow
when
it
comes
to
purchasing
items
depending
on
dollar
amounts
that
will
have
to
follow,
but
we
can
bring
all
that
back
to
you
once
we
once.
We
know
that
this
is
what
the
consultant
recommends
we
do.
F
We
can
bring
all
that
back
to
you
just
as
soon
as
we
get
the
study
all.
J
E
Not
not
to
use
a
bad
water
pun
here,
but
let's
not
waterfall
it
right.
I
mean
why.
Why
would
we
know
if
we
assume
that
the
inlets
are
the
root
cause?
Why
would
we
not
go
ahead
and
parallel
and
then
waiting
for
that
report
to
confirm
what
you
all
believe
is
the
root
cause
it
shouldn't?
We
wait
for
the
study,
then
the
next
work
stream
starts.
Then
the
next
work
stream
starts.
Let's,
let's
do
it
in
parallel,
so
that
we
make
the
most
efficient
use
of
time.
F
E
A
A
Well,
we
I
think,
last
year
we
I
want
to
say
we
pumped
six,
six
million
gallons
out
of
lake
hammer,
I'm
just
saying
so
we
are
doing
something
I
mean
it's
not
like
we're
we're
sitting
back,
you
know,
and-
and
that's
quite
honestly,
I
thought
that
was
our
problem
is
that
we
were
the
the
the
storm
drain
into
the
in
the
lake.
Hammer
was
the
problem
and-
and
you
know
so,
I'm
glad
we
didn't
put
a
permanent
pump.
If
that
wasn't
the
leg,
hammer
has
to
be
pumped
down
because
that's
where
all
the.
L
Storm
water
goes
correct
because
if
the
leg
level
isn't
kept
down,
even
if
you
pump
even
if
the
storm
water
has
nowhere
to
go,
it's
going
to
back
up
no
matter
what,
because
that's
a
landlocked
lake
and
that's
where
the
storm
water
goes
correct,
so
it
has
to
be
kept
down
because
otherwise
there's
no,
you
know,
there's
nowhere
for
the
storm
water
to
go.
So
that
is
a
requirement,
but
right
now,
there's
so
much
water
going
into
it
that
it's,
the
inlets
aren't
able
to
handle
it.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
complicated
issue.
L
B
And
I
know
it
is
a
complex
issue
and
part
of
it
is
the
saturation
of
all
the
land,
which
is
why
it's
not
just
there,
but
several
places
in
this
city
in
the
last
few
years
have
had
that
same
this
kind
of
answers.
What
commissioner
becker's
question
is
why
now,
when
we
didn't
have
it
for
so
many
years,
I've
seen
it
to
where
I
live.
B
We've
had
different
ones
say
that
as
I've
studied
that
the
problem
is,
is
that
what
normally
some
of
the
water
would
be
run
off,
but
some
of
it
would
just
percolate
down
now
that
water
has
nowhere
to
go.
So
it
seems
that
a
shorter
rain
can
mount
up
extremely
quick,
and
so
I
think
the
bottom
line
is
with
the
regulations
and
the
challenges
we
have
is
to
make
it
a
priority.
B
Exactly
what
what
commissioner
smith
said
and
and
that
be
a
pledge
to
you
that
we
won't,
you
know
just
ignore
it,
put
it
to
the
side,
but
as
soon
as
we
can
move
and
anything
we
can
do
in
tandem.
Let's
do,
but
if
we
can't,
then
you
know
I
wish.
I
wish
there
wasn't
a
better
answer
at
this
point,
but
the
fact
that
we
will
give
it
that
attention
and
that
it's
not
a
resource
issue,
it's
knowing
we
can
do
it
right
and
as
soon
as
we
can
moving
on
it
right
away.
I.
L
L
B
And
maybe
we
can
also
reach
out
to
community
organizations
from
churches
to
sertoma
to
the
different
ones
that
can
say
hey.
We
have
a
real
issue
here.
If
this
does
mount
up
before
we
can
act
and
respond,
then
maybe
we
can
look
at
other
ways
as
a
community
to
not
not
let
our
neighbors
go
under
literally
so,
but.
G
G
Well,
the
only
thing
I
can
you
know
at
least
promise
you
is
that
if
it
rains-
and
you
call-
and
you
say
I'm
having
a
flooding
problem-
that
somebody
in
this
city
will
respond
and
try
and
alleviate
it,
that's
that's
the
commitment
that
we
can
give
you
right
now
until
we
get
this
report
that
tells
us
you
know
that
we
can
go
ahead
and
and
address
it
so
that
it
becomes
a
permanent
fix
and
not
a
temporary
fix.
I.
L
O
A
O
K
Good
evening,
matt
de
salvatore
with
creative
signs,
thank
you
for
having
us
tonight.
I
wanted
to
address
the
some
of
you
know.
I
have
reached
out
to
you
and
wanted
to
thank
you
for
your
help.
K
K
What
I
am
here
tonight
to
to
question
are:
are
the
rules
that
that
are
being
followed,
but
so
cindy
edwards
two
years
ago,
reached
out
to
me
for
help
on
a
digital
sign
that
you
guys
wanted
to
get
originally
just
for
kitland
nelson
park.
We
specialize
in
digital
signs.
My
family
has
owned
creative
science
for
40
years
still
work
with
both
my
folks
always
said
they
had
five
kids
for
cheap
labor,
one
of
those
kids,
and
so
she
reached
out.
She
said
you
know
we
want
to
get
a
digital
sign.
K
K
I
help
her
write
the
scope
for
the
project,
how
the
bid
was
going
to
happen
and
everything,
and
then
it
got
to
the
point
where
it
was
going
to
be
over
50
000,
at
which
point
so
this
was
about
a
year-long
process
where
we
we
talked
about
doing
this,
and
I
believe
she
got
three
proposals
at
that
time
from
local
sign
companies
and
we
were
competitive.
K
She
said
you
know
it's
got
to
go
to
this
national
bid
thing
and
I
said
totally
understand,
I'm
not
looking
for
pay
play
favorites
or
anything
like
that.
We'll
go
through
the
system,
we'll
do
what
we
have
to
do
at
at
that
point.
When
it
went
out
we're
just
a
small
local
company,
we
got
about
16
employees,
we're
not
used
to
doing
these
national
bid
type
things.
So
I
reached
out
to
jessica-
and
I
said
you
know-
I'm
not
used
to
submitting
it
online.
K
This
whole
thing
that
we
do
here,
I'm
more
I'll
email,
a
proposal
like
go
and
deliver
proposals
by
hand.
Is
there
anyone
I
can
come
down
and
give
the
proposal
to,
because
I've
actually
already
generated
the
proposal
a
few
times
for
cindy
on
the
different
changes,
and
she
said
no,
not
not
really
a
way
to
do
that,
and
I
said:
okay,
fair
enough
I'll,
try
to
figure
it
out
and
then.
K
We
had
a
few
office
members
get
covered
and
we
were
dealing
with
that
and
I
did
miss
the
date.
I
I
missed
the
time
to
get
the
bid
in
by
45
minutes
and
I
reached
out
to
jessica
at
that
point,
and
she
said
I'm
sorry,
you
know
there's
nothing
we
can
do
and
that's
when
I
sent
emails
out
to
the
the
commissioners-
and
they
pointed
me
in
the
right
direction
and,
like
I
said
ed
was
great
to
work
with
so
was
jessica
and
I
could
tell
they
really
wanted
to
help.
K
K
But
what
I
am
questioning
is
and-
and
I
know
someone
came
up
with
this-
that's
way
smarter
than
me,
because
I
went
to
apopka
high
school
on
why
50
000
is
the
the
place
where
we
say:
that's
not
really.
After
we
get
to
50
000,
that's
too
big
for
a
local
company.
We
need.
We
really
need
to
branch
out
and
look
for
national
sign
companies
and
people
that
are
further
away,
and
my
whole
point
is
we
talk
about
I'm
an
ambassador
in
the
chamber.
K
We
talk
about
economic
development
and
wanting
to
stay
local
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
it
just
it
seems
like
the
rules
that
were
set
up
to
make
fair
in
this
time.
This
time
around
ended
up
backfiring
and
I
totally
know
I
was
late
45
minutes.
I
wear
that
and
I
understand
that,
but
this
one
was
really
really
tough
to
take
after
working
on
it.
For
that
long.
Well,.
A
Just
so
you
know
it
was
used
to
be
25
000..
We
just
raised
it
well
this
year
from
25
to
50.,
so
we
did
increase
it
and
we
do
have
a
3
local
preference,
so
you
could
have
gotten
even
if
you've
gotten
the
bid
in
and
you've
been
within
three
percent
of
the
the
best
outside.
As
you
call
it,
you
know
vendor
you
could
have
gotten
the
business
as
well.
Yeah.
A
K
Huge
and
and
another
note
here-
I
you
know,
I'm
a
christian,
I
believe
in
god
I
know
he
is
sovereign
and
if
he
wanted
me
to
get
this
job,
I
would
have
got
it,
and
one
thing
that
I
have
taken
out
of
this
is
for
about
a
week
straight.
K
I
went
home
and
I
was
just
really
depressed
and
I
was
not
the
husband
I
needed
to
be,
and
I
was
not
the
father
I
needed
to
be,
and
god
really
called
me
out
on
that
and
now
I
think
when
this
type
of
thing
happens
in
the
future,
I've
I've
gone
through
it
this
time
and
I'm
not
gonna.
Let
it
affect
me
in
the
same
way.
So.
F
Will
be
that
it's
a
great
thing
that
we're
going
to
do
that
will
actually
help
the
locals
understand
how
the
procurement
process
works,
the
statutes
we
have
to
follow
they're
so
strict
when
it
comes
to
procurement
and
local
government
really
in
government
it
they're
so
strict
and
we
have
to
follow
those
guidelines
to
a
t
or
our
attorney
sitting
over
here
will
call
us
out.
So
it's
so
important
that
we
follow
that
so
that
we
have
a
fair
playing
field
for
everybody,
and
you
know
it's
unfortunate.
F
I
I
really
do
feel
you
know
I
feel
bad.
I
I
I'm
all
about
local.
If
you
know
we
can
get
local,
that's
that's
that's
the
best
thing
I
think
for
our
community.
So
it's
unfortunate
and-
and
you
know,
we've
tried
everything
we
can
from
our
side,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
we're
going
to
have
that
we're
going
to
have
a
procurement
workshop
of
our
local
vendors
to
actually
show
them
the
process.
We
have
new
software
coming
online
that
we'll
be
able
to
demonstrate,
and
so
I'm
an
answer,
question.
A
Yeah
on
yeah
it
should
be
june
3rd
yeah,
that's
what
it's
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
is
we
want
more
local
contractors
to
bid
on
our
our
you
know
all
of
our
stuff,
but
we
also
we've
got
a
couple.
Other
things
we're
working
on.
We
have
a
federal
grant
for
working
on
houses
to
get.
You
know,
help
with
with
new
roofs
and
new
air
conditioners.
So
what
we're
doing
is
trying
to
combine
the
cdbg
grant
along
with
a
another
one
called
a
self
plus
our
city
business.
A
K
A
Absolutely
everybody
you
betcha
yeah,
so
we're
we're
excited
about.
We
we
had
our
pre-planning
last
week,
I
think,
and
so
we're
trying
to
put
them.
We
just
figured
rather
than
have
just
one
for
just
a
city,
our
city
contracts,
which
tend
to
be
bigger.
This
one
will
be
for
the
self
contracts
and
and
the
cdbg
grants
could
be
small.
You
know
five
thousand
dollar
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
so
some
of
our
smaller
contractors
could
actually
been
on
some
of
those
as
well,
so
show
them
how
to
do
that.
That's
a
good
thing!
A
H
H
H
H
Since
june
6
2013,
when
randy
morris
on
behalf
of
the
golf
group,
presented
a
blueprint
for
180
new
homes
on
what
used
to
be
the
south.
Nine,
mostly
phase
one
since
that
time.
On
september
1st
2016
march,
1st
2019
october
29
2019
and
at
least
two
more
proposals
since
that
date
are
rejected
by
the
community
and
or
the
city
for
various
reasons,
I
count
six
strikes.
H
H
H
H
A
G
I
just
wanted
to
ask
one
thing:
on
the
consent:
industry
number
seven
disbursement
report:
I've
seen
it
consistently.
Why
do
we
have
so
many
utility
refunds.
F
F
J
G
G
F
All
right
so
good
evening,
mayor
and
commissioners.
So
the
item
you
have
before
you
business
item
we
have
before
you
is
goes
back
to
the
discussion
of.
If
you'll
recall
the
duke
energy
settlement
monies
that
we
had,
which
is
approximately
2.9
million
dollars.
We
had
a
workshop.
If
you
recall
so
we
got
we
had.
We
did
the
agreement
on
january
20th.
F
F
There's
a
debt.
You
can
see.
My
numbering
number
two
is
missing,
but
the
numbering
I
didn't
have
the
number
I
didn't
sequence,
the
number
back
correctly.
So
there
is
a
number
two
it
just
was
eliminated
so,
but
you
can
see
that
that
was
eliminated
and
then
the
order
they've
been
kind
of
kind
of
put
in
a
little
different
order.
F
They
are
numbered.
So
you
know,
based
on
the
wishes
of
the
council,
you
know
if
there's
ones
that
they
want
to
fund
you
want
to
take
them
up
separately.
You
want
to
fund
the
whole
package.
You
want
to
fund
portions
of
them.
We
can
do
that,
keep
in
mind
that
whatever
you,
whatever
you,
what
actions
you
have
take
tonight.
If
there
are
any
budget
amendments
that
are
required,
we
will
bring
those
back
to
you.
State
law
requires
that
we
do
a
resolution
for
every
budget
amendment.
F
So
if
it
becomes
a
budget
minute
in
this
fiscal
year,
we'd
have
to
come
back
to
you
with
an
amendment.
If
it's
something
an
item
that
we're
going
to
and
to
put
aside
so
that
when
our
budget
comes
up,
we're
going
to
use
these
dollars
to
help
fund
that
item
it'll
come
up
in
your
budget
workshops
and
it'll
come
up
at
budget
time.
F
F
Some
information
on
rock
springs
ridge
you've
got
camp
weewa,
we're
still
kind
of
waiting
to
hear
from
camp
weewa,
so
we've
got
some
things
that
are
out
there
that
we're
just
kind
of
still
we've
sold
some
land.
We're
still
waiting
to
close
on
that.
So
we've
got
some
things
out
there
that
we're
still
just
kind
of
in
the
works.
F
So
one
of
the
things
that,
since
preparing
this
item,
that
I'd
like
to
recommend
is
the
item
that
you
see
where
we're
trying
to
pay
off
the
debt
kind
of
I
would
suggest
my
suggestion
is
to
kind
of
hold
back
on
that
right
now
we
have
that
budgeted.
That's
budgeted
every
year
the
payment's
budgeted
every
year.
We
talked
about
that
paying
these
some
of
these
debts
off
early
would
save
us
interest,
earnings
or
interest
expense,
but
at
the
same
time,
would
also
free
up.
F
But
that
being
said
with
the
things
that
we
have
out
there
on
the
horizon,
I
think
it's
important
that
that
item
is
a
significant
item
and
it's
a
like,
like
I
said,
it's
an
item
that
we've
already
have
had
in
our
budget
in
prior
years,
so
that's
kind
of
one
that
we're
kind
of
maybe
just
kind
of
hold
on
to
those
funds
and
keep
those
into
reserves.
Until
we
everything
falls
out
with
all
the
things
that
we've
got
ahead
of
us.
That's
coming.
The
other
items
are
capital
items
significant.
F
F
They
have
managed
to
make
it
through
with
this
the
one
that
they've
got
now,
we
haven't
had
any
issues
but
they've
managed
to
get
through
with
that
one,
but
part
of
this
funding
would.
This
is
only
half
of
that
funding,
but
that's
one
of
the
items
that
we
would
earmark
and
we
would
use
those
dollars
in
our
current
budget
because
we
have
to
fund
the
other
other
half
in
our
current
in
our
fiscal
year,
22
budget.
F
F
This
is
additional
dollars
that
we're
trying
to
earmark
from
these
from
these
funds
so
that
when
we
do
hear
back
from
what
we
can
do,
maybe
at
lake
border
lake
page
what
we
can,
the
things
that
we
can
do
that
we'll
have
some
some
funding
on
the
table
for
that
when
we,
when
we
hear
back
from
from
those
reports,
so
those
so
that's
the
items
again,
you
don't
have
to
do
them
all
at
once.
You
can
do
them
piecemeal.
F
You
can
take
whatever
the
wishes
of
the
council
are
that's
kind
of
kind
of
where
we
are,
but
we've
been
through.
The
workshops
we've
been
through.
I've
answered
a
lot
of
questions.
I've
met
with
you
several
of
you
to
go
over
certain
items.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
taps
here.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
any
specific
items
as
well.
E
Yeah
I
mean
so
regardless
of
what
we
do
here
right
now.
We
can
probably
debate
each
one
of
these
on
its
own
merit
right,
but
if
we
approve
what
we're
what
you're
asking
us
to
approve
here,
each
one
of
these
things
would
come
back
to
us
for
further
approval,
correct
for
detail
so
amphitheater
bathrooms,
for
example,
500
000.,
that's
that's
where
we're
encumbering
that
amount,
but
you're
going
to
come
back
to
us
with
plans
and
final
approval
at
that
point
in
time
right,
you
would
come
back
with
a.
E
On
this
list,
obviously
I
just
I
need
more
meat
to
the
bone
in
order
for
me
to
say:
yeah,
okay,
let's,
let's
do
the
final
payment
right.
You
don't
get
that
from
just
a
one-liner
on
here
with
a
dollar
or
not
associated
to
it.
So
that
would
be
my
big
thing
and
the
other,
and
you
touched
on
other
considerations
that
we
have
right.
It's
the
camp.
We
lost
stuff-
it's
you
know.
E
I
saw
where
this,
where
you
all
put
out
feelers
for
the
community
about
what
the
community
wants
in
terms
of
recreational
needs
of
that
northwest
wreck.
So
you
know
making
sure
that
we
have
dollars
for
that,
because
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
because
I've
already
seen
a
lot
of
excitement
about
people
sharing
that
filling
that
out.
The
worst
thing
that
can
happen
is
we
build
that
excitement
and
all
of
a
sudden.
Oh,
we
want
these
a
whole
bunch
of
things
and
then
well
we
don't
have
the
money
for
it.
F
Well
and
keep
in
mind
with
that,
we
have
a
contract
now
doing
all
of
our
almost
all
of
our
mowing.
So
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
by
putting
the
contractor,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
rely
on
the
inmates
as
much
so
we
should,
I
think,
the
mowing
issue
we
should
be
covered,
but
you're
correct.
There
are
issues.
There
are
things
that
we
have
that
are
on
the
horizon,
that
we
need
to
look
at
as
well.
But
again
these
are
items
and
you're
right.
F
You
would
see
them
come
back
as
a
budget
amendment,
the
ones
that
require
a
budget
amendment.
A
lot
of
them
will
require
agreements.
The
fire
engine
will
be
in
your
budget.
You'll
see
that
the
flooding
the
drainage
you'd
have
to
see
a
plan.
You'd
have
to
see
what
we're
going
to
do
for
those
dollars,
and
some
of
these
will
require
an
agreement.
You
know
the
conley
property.
There
will
be
some
kind
of
an
agreement.
That'll
have
to
be
done.
That'll
yeah.
E
I
can
respect
the
the
conversations
that
we
had
during
the
budget
workshops
I
mean
I
I
could.
I
knew
kind
of
what
the
pleasure
of
the
of
my
of
the
board
my
colleagues
up
here,
had
as
it
relates
to
some
of
these
things,
so
I'm
all
good
with
that.
It's
just
I
need
to
you
know
when
we
go
to
approve
each
one
of
these
things.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
approving
them
based
off
its
own
merits,
so.
J
I'm
I'm
fine
with
the
plan
that
we
have.
I
like
the
idea
of
setting
those
funds
aside
for
the
debt
payoff
until
we
see
where
we
stand
and
and
what
is
the
latest,
that
we
can
hold
off
on
paying
that
off.
I
think
you
said
it's
october.
We
head
into
october
to
do
that
for.
F
That
for,
commissioner,
you
can,
if
we
don't
pay
them,
there's
really
nothing,
because
if
we
don't
pay
them
that
we
continue
this
status
quo,
we
continue
to
budget
the
payments
each
year.
If
you,
if
you
don't
pay
them
off
by
september
30th
of
this
year,
then
your
new
budget
would
you'd
have
to
pay
the
debt
service
on
these
two.
So
it
was
about
a
million
dollars
that
you
would
have
that
you
would
have
in
your
budget
for
these
two
items,
if
you
didn't
pay
them
off
earlier.
Okay,.
B
Yeah,
I
again,
I
think
we
talked
through
this.
I
have
to
say
that,
as
looking
through
this,
I
do
have
concern.
I
want
some
assurances
in
with
the
resource
center
and
other
commissioners
have
voiced
those
concerns,
and
and
as
I
talk
more
with
them,
I
love
the
concept
of
it.
B
This
isn't
something
that
the
city
is
taking
on
it's
helping
to
seed,
something
that
I
think
will
bring
relief.
It
will
bring
relief
for
our
police
to
be
able
to
funnel
people
a
certain
way.
My
concern
is,
and
it's
been
voiced,
that
we
become
a
center
that
attracts
things,
and
I
want
to
know
what
is
the
process
there.
B
B
You
know
that
that
concern
and
that's
been
voiced
by
others,
others
in
the
community.
So
I
I
just
have
a
little
bit
of
a
reserve
until
I
find
out
from
the
organization
how
do
they
operate,
that?
What
will
keep
that?
Because,
after
our
last
meeting
as
I
dug
into
it
a
little
bit
more,
it
kind
of
brought
up
that
concern.
I
thought
that
was
resolved
in
my
understanding
and
it's
not
as
much
right
now
not
to
say
that
it's
not.
B
B
G
G
Sort
of
the
the
owners
of
this
building
and
if
we
have
26
20
to
26
churches
who
want
to
get
together
and
do
this,
then
for
me
go
ahead
and
do
it,
but
I
I
don't.
I
don't
feel
that
we
should
be
investing
in
that,
because
then
we
become
responsible
but
again
that's
something
that
we
can
discuss
and
we
can
earmark
it
and
have
further
discussion
and
see
what
their
plan
is.
You
have
talked
about.
Number
two
number
two
was
payoff
rec
loan.
I
have
everything
here.
F
So
that
is,
that
will
be
just
like.
We
do
an
idle
with
item
one
so
item
two
we've
taken
it
out
of
this
scenario,
that
is
a
debt
payment,
and
that
is
the
next
year,
is
the
last
debt
payment
of
600.
I
think
it's
like
six
hundred
ten
thousand.
F
G
And,
and
the
same
sentiment
is
that
we
have
so
many
other
expenses
coming
up,
we
have
camp,
we
have
now
we
have
like
you
said
we
have
the
the
wreck,
recreation,
we're
asking
the
residents
to.
Let
us
know
what
we
need
in
at
jason
dwelling,
so
there's
a
there's
so
much
going
on,
and
this
2.9
million
can
only
go
but
so
far,
so
I
want
to
be
able
to
use
it
wisely.
G
So
at
this
point
I
saw
some
of
the
earmarks
that
you
have
here
and
we
did
discuss
it
as
long
as
we're
not
voting
to
say
this
is
what
we're
going
to
spend
the
money
on
that
we're
just
kind
of
earmarking
it
until
we
get
further
information,
something
to
to
at
least
say.
Yes,
this
is
something
that
we
want
to
invest
in
right
now,
but
as
long
as
we're
just
holding
off
on
it.
F
C
F
F
Is
really
pointless,
perfect
way
to
say
it
absolutely
right
and
that's
what
that's
all
we're
doing
is
just
you're.
J
And-
and
let
me
say
that
I
think
the
resource
center
has
been
mislabeled.
A
lot
of
people
are
thinking
that
it's
going
to
be
a
place
where
people
are
going
to
live
and
that's
not
the
case.
The
the
resource
center
is
going
to
be
a
place
where
there'll
be
resources
for
citizens
in
our
community
to
be
able
to
go
for
mental
health.
If
they're
looking
for
a
job
employment,
employability,
skills
if
they
need
food
or
if
they
need
clothing,
so
they're.
J
Yes,
we
have
the
22
churches,
that's
doing
some
of
that
already,
but
we're
not
experts
in
all
those
things,
and
all
of
us
are
not
doing
the
same
thing.
So
we're
going
to
house
everything
in
one
place,
so
they
would
go
there
for
whatever
services
they
need,
whether
it
be
mental
health,
job
employability,
skills
or
what
have
you
they
would
go
there
and
then
they
would
be
led
where
it
needs
to
go
and
there'll
be
people
that
provide
the
necessary
resources
that
churches
are
not
able.
A
To
provide-
and
I
think-
and
I
think
the
big
piece
that
you
didn't
mention,
though,
is
that
we're
the
gatekeeper
for
those
services
that
the
services
that
are
being
provided
by
the
22
churches
that,
yes,
here's
where
you
go
to
get
your
your
laundry
done!
Here's
where
you
go
to
get
a
hot
meal
on
monday,
here's
where
you
go
to
get
a
haircut!
Here's
so
that
we're
we're
that.
J
B
And
I
want
to
clarify
too,
I
agree
with
those
things
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
How
is
that
going
to
be
accomplished
and
just
a
slight
disagreement?
I
don't
see
this
as
something
we
will
own.
I
see
it
as
something
just
like
with
conley
house.
It's
something
we're
helping
to
be
established
that
will
be
community
run
and
operated,
and
it
will
help
bring
churches
together
that
are
doing
part
of
that
job,
but
this
will
actually,
if
churches
can
communicate
that,
are
doing
this.
It
will
actually
cut
down
on
the
ones
who
are
gaming.
B
Interested
in
it
that
it
can
actually
help
us
and
stem
the
consumers,
I
just
want
to
have
the
assurances
of
how
that
process
is.
So,
if
that's
set
up
structurally
well,
you
know,
I
think
it
can
be
a
real
benefit
and
not
be
a
burden
upon
the
city,
but
actually.
B
A
O
G
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
is
that
what
the
churches
need
to
do
is
really
try
and
get
some
sort
of.
You
know
it's
centered
of
all
the
churches,
what
everyone
is
doing
and
then.
B
So
this
will
help
churches
to
do
that
more
effectively
and
everyone
worked
together,
not
just
churches,
but
all
the
community
organizations,
and
so
in
this
sense,
like
we've
done
with
many
things,
we're
seeding,
something
that's
very
much
needed
and
that
will
actually
help
coordinate
that
and
cut
down
on
the
waste
and
the
manipulation
of
it.
So.
G
A
They've
got
to
come
back
and
bring
us.
You
know,
I
think
what
you're
asking
I
know
commissioner
becker
talked
about.
You
know
what
it.
What
are
we
getting?
What's
that
going
to
do
so?
They've
got
to
come
back
as
an
organization
and
say:
okay,
we
need
a
building,
here's
what
and
then
here's
the
services
we're
going
to
provide
here's,
how
we're
going
to
communicate
with
the
other,
the
other
service
organizations
within
the
city
or
in
the
in
the
greater
apopka
area,
so
that
you
know
we
can
coordinate.
A
You
know
the
software
package
that
doesn't
allow
people
to
to
shop
food.
You
know
to
six
different.
You
know
churches
when
all
they're
doing
is
selling
the
food
you
know
for
for
cash.
So
that's
the
you
know.
The
whole
goal
is
to
put
that
together
in
as
a
you
know,
that
that
umbrella
and
then
have
have
those
services
available
and
then,
where
their
services
aren't
being
provided.
We
plug
those
services
in.
J
J
G
C
G
F
F
F
Think
that
we're
just
going
to
go
out
there
and
we're
just
going
to
go
spin
this
these
dollars,
whatever
you
will
see
these
things
again,
procurement
policy,
that's
why
we
have
it.
That's
why
we
have
the
stuff
that
we
have.
You
will
see
all
of
these
again
and
get
to
make.
You
know
final,
whether
it
be
agreements,
whether
it
be
bids
where
you'll
get
to
see.
You
know
the
process
that
we
went
through
so
you'll
get
to
see
before
when
these
dollars
are
actually
expended.
F
This
is
just
you
know,
earmarking
them
for
these
purposes
right
now,
until
we
get.
G
F
Commissioner,
that's
a
good
question:
we
have
a
25
reserve,
that's
what
that's
for
is
to
be
able.
The
25
reserve
is
to
be
ready.
Should
we
have
a
hurricane
come
we
need
to
be
ready.
We
have
those
reserves
and
I
will
tell
you,
as
we
look
through
all
these
items,
we're
looking
at
camp
weewa,
everything
that
we
look
at.
I
will
promise
you
that
we
I
am.
We
are
that
reserve
we're
watching
that
reserve
so
that
we
can
tell
you
where
that
level's
at.
F
If
you
do
this,
if
you
do
that
it'll,
do
this
we're
doing
we're?
That's
why,
with
the
debt
kind
of
want
to
sit
back
a
little
bit
and
wait,
let's
see
everything
that
we
got
on
the
table.
We've
got
a
lot
of
things
sitting
out
there.
Some
will
happen.
Some
might
not
it's
just
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
so
you're
right
these
will
be
earmarked.
Should
there
be
an
issue
come
up
that
says:
oh
edward,
we
need
to
get
into
that
2.9.
If
we
have
to
get
into
this
2.9.
F
We
got
bigger
issues
because
we've
got
you
know:
13
million
in
our
reserves
that
we
would
go
to,
but
you're
right.
What
we
don't
spend
here
will
go
into
that
reserve
pot
and
be
there
and
be
available
for
situations
like
that.
If
you
need
to
tap
into
them,
you
can
always
come
back
here
too
for
the
items
that
we
haven't
spent
and
redirect
those
so
keep
in
mind.
Yeah
you're
appropriating
it
for
for
these
items
right
now,
but
should
an
emergency
come
up
or
situation
come
up
and
we
need
to
get
into
these?
F
We
could
you
can
always
do
a
budget
amendment
and
go
the
other
way.
So,
okay,
mr
becker,.
E
No,
no,
I
mean
I
was
just
reiterating
the
question
I
had
asked
before
right.
I
mean
because
if,
for
some
reason,
the
drainage
issues
over
that
like
hammer
that
we
were
discussing
earlier,
if
that
becomes
300
thousand
or
five
hundred
thousand-
and
we
say
okay-
that
takes
priority
over
again
any
other
on
that
list
which
would
just
rename
it
transfer
it
to
that
fund,
put
it
in
that
fun
line
item
and
that
pays
for
it
right.
Okay,.
A
And
I
want
to
you
know,
I
think,
maybe
maybe
this
would
be
a
good
analogy
on
the
the
resource
center.
Just
for
my
is
you
know,
last
last
commission
meeting
we
voted
on
on
the
rf.
Well,
really
an
rfq
for
the
airport,
so
we
looked
at
the
services
we
looked
at.
It
wasn't
just
the
highest.
You
know
price,
it
was.
What
are
we
getting?
A
What's
our
what's
the
value
there,
so
I
think
I
would
kind
of
liken
the
resource
center
to
that
that
that
you
know
they
got
to
bring
us
something
back
to
make
it
make
us
want
to
take
it
on.
You
know,
give
us
give
us
what
you
got
and-
and
you
know
sell
it
to
us
just
like
you
know
adam
did
with
with
the
the
airport
right.
B
B
H
A
N
N
N
N
N
N
Each
week
we
gave
out
food
every
monday
and
this
was
a
community.
I
think
you
should
know
that
you're,
you
should
be
proud
of
your
community
because
they
would
come
to
our
parking
lot
and
people
would
pick
up
food
and
they
would
bring
it
to
their
neighbors
and
then
first
baptist
would
pick
up
a
large
amount
of
food
alexander
smith's
church.
They
would
pick
up
food
and
they
would
go
to
their
parking,
lots
and
distribute
the
food,
and
we
literally
fed
272
472
meals
within
a
year's
time.
N
That
was
a
record-breaking
year
for
a
second
harvest
and
we
were
part
of
that
record-breaking
year.
That's
why
they
sent
us
this
email
and
first
baptist
would
cook
up
the
food
serve
it
on
monday
night,
but
they
also
had
cars
coming
into
their
parking
lot
and
they
would
pick
up
this
food
and
they
would
bring
it
to
three
or
four
different
locations
for
those
that
couldn't
get
out
to
get
the
food
all
that
food.
I
asked
them.
What
was
that
total
for
that
food?
They
told
me
550
000,
that's
a
lot
of
money!
N
N
N
That
is
what
we're
offering
to
do
here
and
we're
only
asking
the
city
to
purchase
a
building
for
150
000
when
it
should
be
about
450
000,
it's
a
commercial
building,
and
you
know
today's
real
estate
market,
that's
pennies
on
the
dollar
they're,
basically
almost
giving
that
building
away.
We
want
to
take
that
building
the
churches
want
to
fix
it
up.
N
We,
what
we're
going
to
get
grants
to
get
services
into
that
building,
we're
asking
united
against
poverty
to
set
up
a
satellite
office,
because
for
I
have
to
take
people
from
my
church
to
come
up
on
my
doorstep,
I
have
to
drive
them
45
minutes
to
get
to
united
against
poverty
to
get
the
same
resources.
There's
that's
the
closest
place,
there's
five
hubs
in
central
florida
and
as
popular
and
as
busy
as
we
are
in
apopka.
We
need
one
here.
N
We
need
one
here
because
we're
going
to
be
offering
education
to
our
citizens
we're
telling
them.
We
don't
want
you
to
have
ten
dollar
an
hour
jobs.
We
want
to
give
you
education
for
20,
on
our
jobs
and
by
the
way
we
already
have
been
speaking
to
the
job
placement
career
services
for
that
and
they're
willing
to
step
forward,
and
do
it
we're
getting
ready
to
start
an
aaa
program
in
our
own
church,
because
a
non-profit
in
virginia
saw
what
we
were
doing
during
covet
and
said.
We
want
to
sow
into
that.
N
This
isn't
giving
hand
up.
This
is
enforcing
your
citizens,
getting
them
smarter,
healthier
and
better,
and
they
will
show
that
pride
in
their
houses.
It
will
build
that
building
will
become
pretty
and
the
house
next
to
it,
and
the
house
next
to
it
will
become
prettier
and
prettier,
because
you
have
brought
up
the
attitude
of
the
citizens
instead
of
them
having
a
poverty
mentality.
N
We
had
people
they
had.
We.
I
tried
to
get
the
resources
at
my
church
and
I
have
them
running
all
over
town.
They
don't
have
cars,
they
have
part-time
jobs.
Sometimes
they
they
don't
have
time
to
be
doing
this.
We
have
a
resource
center
come
in.
Let's
sit
down
for
45
minutes
like
they
do
at
united
against
poverty.
Let's
see
what
you
need.
We
already
have
the
software
program,
the
his
program,
hmi
program
that
orange
county
is
already
using
and
we're
going
to
set
it
up
in
there.
It's
basically
going
to
be
office
spaces.
G
No
you're
mistaken.
I
never
said
anything
about
the
homeless.
What
I
said
was
that
I
know
for
a
fact,
because
I
have
gone
to
the
farm
workers.
I
have
gone
to
hope.
Community
I've
gone
to
the
city
of
destiny
and
I've
stood
on
the
line
to
get
food
for
families
that
could
not
get
there,
and
I
know
for
a
fact
that
they
offer
the
same
services.
N
Exactly
and
why
why
sh
what
we
have
going
on,
but
we've
been
working
on
for
three
years
every
month,
except
for
coved
we've
been:
let's
pull
our
resources
together,
let's
not,
let's
not
repeat
the
same
services,
let's
not
waste
the
money!
If
this
one's
already
doing
it,
let's
put
the
people
over
there
all
right.
G
N
A
A
F
So
so
yeah
mayor-
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
want
to
do
them,
you
want
to
do
them
by
number.
You
want
to
do
them
as
a
group,
you
want
to
earmark
them
all
again,
we'll
come
back.
If
there's
any
budget
amendments
that
are
required
at
budget
time.
I
told
you
some
of
these.
If
you
do
them
now,
they'll
earmark
it
but
it'll
actually
come
back
in
your
budget.
So
you're
going
to
see
all
these
again.
A
So
I
think
the
only
thing
that
we
from
this
we're
talking
about
maybe
is
pulling
back
the
the
number
one
number
one
to
just
basically
leave
that
alone
there
so
that,
if
something
happens
with
we,
we've
got
some
just
flexibility
there.
But
somebody
wants
to
make
a
motion.
A
E
E
A
So
that's
a
resounding
is
that.
A
Okay,
let's
see
here
next
up
public
hearing,
ordinance,
number
2773.
P
Ordinance
number
2773
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
county
rural
to
city
residential
high
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
west
of
state
road,
429
and
north
of
west
orange
blossom
trail
owned
by
collier
benj
land
joint
venture
llc,
comprising
50.2
acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
H
Forgive
my
lack
of
understanding,
but
when
I
look
at
these
ordinances
several
of
them,
I
see
so
many
acres
that
are
with
the
project
and
the
changing
of
the
zoning
correct.
So
my
question
is
just
as
a
citizen
when
the
approval,
if
there's
approval
voted,
is
it
expected
that
in
the
future
there
will
be
a
development.
A
J
P
Changing
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
county
rural
to
city,
commercial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
west
of
state
road,
429
and
north
of
west
orange
blossom
trail
owned
by
collier
bend's
land
joint
venture
llc,
comprising
23.73
acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Any.
A
H
A
A
P
Ordinance
number
2819
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
county
rural
to
city,
low
density,
residential
for
certain
real
property
located
north
of
boy
scout
road
and
east
of
south
benion
road
comprising
9.487
acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
apopka
centerline
development,
llc,
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
day.
A
A
C
P
Ordinance
number
2826
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida,
adopting
the
2021
2022
through
2026
2027
five-year
capital
improvement,
annual
update,
providing
for
legislative
findings
providing
perseverability
providing
from
for
exclusion
from
codification
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Okay,.
A
G
A
P
Ordinance
number
2827,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
ag
to
rsf
i1b
for
residential
single-family
large
lot
for
certain
real
property
located
on
the
north
side
of
poncan
road,
comprising
23.4
acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
fti
funding,
llc
providing
for
directions
to
the
community
development,
director,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
Okay,.
A
Bobby
any
changes:
okay,
anybody
from
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
number
2827.,
so
move
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
benson.
Second,
second
by
mr
becker,
all
those
in
favor
aye,
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
2828.
D
A
P
C
J
Q
G
H
This
is
an
elementary
level
question.
The
annexation
ordinances,
yes,
is
just
basic,
so
these
acreages
are
added
to
city
boundaries.
Is
that
the
way
it
is
okay?
I'm
just
curious.
Yes,
there's
one
citizen
in
a
city
over
the
past
10
years.
Can
you
give
an
estimate
of
how
the
square
mile
area
for
apopka
city
has
changed?
Uh-Oh.
A
H
E
A
C
Q
Q
Q
Right
now,
the
discussion
is
residential
subdivision
it's
to
combine
or
amalgamate
these
parcels.
G
To
get
to
get
the
utilities
to
go
out
to
that
area,
and-
and
you
know
I
I'm-
I
am
curious-
I
mean
mr
hoffman
and
did
ask
a
interesting
question
like
if,
when
you
do
the
at
the
next
meeting
will
kind
of.
Let
us
know
how
big
is
apopka
now.
C
G
A
H
I'm
just
trying
to
gain
a
civic
education
with
these
annexations.
My
sense
is
for
the
lent
property
owners
they
would
like
to
be
on
a
standby
situation
of
gaining
city
services.
Does
that
make
sense?
H
H
A
A
Well,
we're
doing
some
right
now
we're
doing
some
additional
studies
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
our
costs
are
right.
Yes,
okay,
anybody
else,
all
right,
we'll
close
the
public
hearing,
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
ordinance
number
2837
at
first
reading
and
hold
over
for
a
second
reading
and
adoption.
Q
A
G
Oh,
my
god:
what
time
is
it
almost
quarter
tonight?
The
only
thing
I'm
going
to
say
is
that
you
know
I
went
to
saturday
sounds
again.
O
G
To
be
a
regular
attendee
there,
and
you
know
just
that-
we
have
a
a
great
time
on
saturday
night.
G
You
it
was
very
nice
and-
and
this
coming
weekend
we're
gonna
have
the
beatles
the
beatles
music
tribute
tribute
to
the
beatles.
So
that's
a
that's
something.
That's
nice,
oh
and-
and
you
know
me
being
part
of
the
apopka
women's
group.
I
should
also
promote
that
we
have
the
apopka
foliage
festival
coming
up
this
weekend,
so
everyone
is
invited
yeah
and
that's
that's
basically
it
right.
Now,
I'm
telling
you
cool.
That's
right!
Go
ahead!.
B
A
A
We
at
least
got
bailey
kelly
and
got
up
to
sing
three
or
four
songs,
so
they
they
looked
ahead,
saw
the
weather
was
coming
and
and
made
the
adjustment
so
that
everybody
at
least
got
to
you
know
to
play
everybody.
You
know
got
their
their
time
on
the
stage
and
so
hats
off
to
the
the
parks
and
rec
folks.
For
for
you
know,
adjusting
schedules
and
not
everybody
was
happy,
you
know,
but
at
the
beginning,
but
then
they
realized
when
it.
G
But
I
I
will
say
this,
and
this
is
for
commissioner
smith
ed
and
I
sat
in
the
truck
and
coming
up.
The
hill
in
the
storm
with
the
wind
was
cool
commissioner
smith
and
his
suit
and
tide
all
right.
J
J
E
Make
it
real
quick?
Just
thank
you
for
getting
the
hr
director
position
posted.
I
saw
that
out
there,
so
hopefully,
I've
shared
it
on
my
social
media
and
my
my
personal
page.
So
if
everybody
can
do
that,
I'm
sure
we'll
get
a
good
candidate
pool
to
come
back
and
get
a
good
qualified
candidate.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
All
right.
F
Anything,
I
only
have
one
thing
I
want
to
point
out.
I
want
to
go
back
to
commissioner
velasquez.
You
had
a
question
on
the
consent
agenda
about
the
disbursement
report.
Yes,
and
I
wanted
just
for
clarification,
doesn't
change
anything,
but
just
for
clarification.
The
utility
deposits
were
refunds.
I
told
you
they
were
refunds
for
customers
who
have
put
refunds
down.
There
also
could
be
in
those
checks
if
somebody
overpaid
on
an
account
or
somebody
closed
an
account
or
left
the
city.
F
A
E
A
Jump
into
the
mayor's
report,
and-
and
I'll
kind
of
you
should
have
there
in
front
of
you
a
letter
that
kind
of
a
draft
from
me
to
theresa
jacobs.
I
hope
everybody's
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it.
This
is
kind
of
a
collaboration
between
bobby
howe
and
michael
and
myself,
trying
to
come
up
with
something
that
kind
of
puts
out
there.
What
we,
you
know,
the
frustrations
we
have
at
the
city
and
and
some
of
the
you
know
things
that
we
wanted
to
outline.
A
So
if
you
got
a
chance
take,
I
hope
you've
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
that
pretty
much
all
the
things
we've
been
talking
about,
and
you
know
kind
of
a
pretty
detailed
letter,
but
we
think
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
at
least
let
them
know
that
we
we
just
want
clarity.
That's
that's
the
main
thing
that
we're
asking
for
is
clarity,
and
it
looks
like
that.
A
The
legislature
now
is
going
to
reduce
or
limit
the
increases
in
impact
fees.
So
every
time
orange
county
does
something
this.
The
legislature
obviously
has
the
bigger
stick.
Is
you
know
so?
They've
come
back
and
and
now
that
they
won't
be
able
to
raise
the
their
impact,
fees
is
as
high
as
their
their
and
it
goes
retroactive
back
to
january
1st.
So
I
don't
you
know
who
knows
where
this
is
going
to
end
up,
but
so
it's
it's
interesting,
but
I
just
wish
we'd.
A
E
A
E
A
Back
covered
cover
right,
yeah
cover
the
bases,
yeah,
okay,
okay,
yes,
prayer,
breakfast
may
6,
we've
got
a
few
few
tables
left.
So
if
you're,
if
you're
interested
doors,
open,
6,
30
programs
start
at
seven
individual
tickets,
25
for
if
you've
got
a
church,
wants
a
table.
They're
three
hundred
dollars
so
got
a
few
tables
left
to
sell,
was
brought
up
already.
A
The
northwest
recreational
visioning
meeting
hats
off
to
brian
his
team,
as
well
as
kelly
roberson,
who
kind
of
put
together
a
nice
app,
not
application,
a
form
that
you
can
fill
out
to
put
on.
You
know
kind
of
where
you
want
to
put
things,
and
so
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
that,
and
so
I
think
we
we
close
out
on
this
at
the
14th
yeah.
So
we
want
to
all
any
input
you
want.
I
mean,
because
I
can
tell
you
when
we
were,
we
did
the
camp.
We
won.
A
One
of
the
things
that
kept
popping
up,
which
I
didn't
would
never
have
thought
about,
was
the
frisbee
golf,
and
so
this
is
this
is
for
anybody
to
come
out
and
if
they've
got
something
they
think
has
has
got,
you
know,
there's
a
need
out
there
that
we're
not
we're
not
meeting
for
for
our
parks
and
rec
department.
This
is
your
opportunity
to
to
weigh
in
on
the
the
available
land
that
we
have
now.
B
And
I've
been
approached
as
well
for
the
frisbee
golf
that
seems
to
be
really
yeah
becoming
popular,
so.
A
All
right
neoware
need
to
put
that
one
off
a
little
bit.
You
know
the
problem
is
I
try
to
get
these
things
to
y'all
on
friday,
and
sometimes
we
we
maybe
get
out
in
front
of
our
you
know,
skis,
and
this
is
one
of
those
that
needs
a
little
more
baking
chief
weilum
back
there
in
the
back.
Yes,
wake
up
just
proud
of
him.
A
He
is
one
of
only
50
fire
chiefs
who
was
invited
out
to
a
summit
july
12-14
completely
paid
for
by
the
summit
organizers,
so
one
of
only
50
fire
chiefs
here
in
the
country,
so
we're
we're
really
proud
of
the
chief
and
and
that
ability
to
go
out
to
albuquerque
new
mexico.
So
you
should
have
a
I've
got
a
letter
in
here
from
from
the
fire
chief
summit,
so
really
excited
about
that
on-site.
Just
distributed
sewer
system
in
your
in
your
packet.
You
should
have
a
kind
of
interesting.
A
I'm
I'm
really
excited
about
this.
You
know
we.
Now
these
these
systems
probably
aren't
even
up
to
full
nitrogen
reduction.
But
if
you
look
at
it
right
now
we're
at
60
reduction
in
in
this,
the
we've
already
reduced
the
nitrogen
by
11.8
pounds
so
really
really
exciting
news
that
how
how
well
these
systems
are
working
so
we're
you
know,
we'll
start.
This
is
their
own
in
in-house
lab.
I
think
within
the
next
month,
we'll
start
to
be
getting
lab.
A
You
know
verified
labs,
running
the
results
for
us,
so
really
excited
about.
You
know
our
opportunity
to
to
save
our
springs
as
well
as
give
our
homeowners
in
the
weak,
alva
glenn
area.
You
know
a
way
to
to
to
help
help
themselves.
A
Next
up:
okay,
art
and
foliage
fest.
We
talked
about
this
weekend.
Opening
ceremonies,
9
30.,
come
on
down
camp
weewa,
no
updates,
still
waiting
for
a
survey
back
from
the
ymca
folks.
You
know
at
some
point
to
see
where
we're
at
fire
station
six
we're
in
the
budget
on
the
both
the
senate
house
side
for
a
million.
A
Oh
fourteen
six,
twenty
three-
I
don't
know
how
we
got
to
that
but
anyway,
so
I'm
gonna
make
a
trip
up
to
tallahassee
on
monday
to
to
plead
with
the
governor
who's
who's
lying
out
and
vetoed
this
out
of
our
budget
two
years
in
a
row.
So
hopefully
we'll
we'll
get
this.
This
funding,
which
you'll
pay
for
half
the
station,
so
real
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
get
this
along
with
that
just
so
you
we
talked
about
a
little
bit
about
the
the
the
impact
fees.
A
Another
another
interesting
bill
that
is
now
passed
is
the
internet
tax,
the
sales
tax.
So
it's
now
which
will
bring
additional
dollars
to
to
the
city
next
in
the
next
budget
year.
What
they've
done
from
the
state
side
is?
They
didn't
want
to
it's
about
a
billion
dollars
in
additional
revenue,
but
what
they're
going
to
do?
A
The
first
couple
of
years
they're
going
to
use
the
state's
dollars,
not
the
city's
dollars,
they're,
going
to
use
those
dollars
to
reduce
the
unemployment
compensation
increase
because
it
was
going
to
be
going
to
more
than
double
so
for
all
those
small
businesses,
their
unemployment
tax
would
have
more
than
doubled.
So
what
the
state's
going
to
do
is
take
the
dollars
they
would
have
gotten
from
the
internet
tax
and
use
that
to
pay
down
the
business
owner's
internet
tax.
A
But
but
you
know,
when
you
rent
a
an
office
building
or
or
in
a
strip
mall,
you
pay
sales
tax,
they've
they've
begun
to
whittle
away
at
that
sales
tax
cost,
but
this
this
their
the
state
dollars
will
go
toward
really
trying
to
drive
down
that
cost
of
the
rent
tax.
A
So
anyway,
and
then
last
but
not
least,
I
think
I've
got
everything
going
here
yeah.
So,
as
you
all
know,
we
have
been
working
hard.
Well,
we've
been
working
on.
You
know
some
kind
of
a
resolution
to
the
rock
springs
ridge,
golf
course,
mr
dela
russo,
and
so
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
meetings
I've
had
with
only
I
guess,
had
one
or
two
with
mr
de
la
russo,
but
with
his
partner
chad
and
with
the
attorneys
and
and
so
we've
we've.
A
We
had
a
meeting
last
week
and
just
got
it
confirmed
today
from
their
their
group.
As
you
can
see,
they
came
up
with
an
idea
for
a
swap
of.
We
have
the
two
properties
on
harmon
road,
which
we
were
kind
of
earmarking
for
the
replacement
for
cam
weewa,
we're
going
to
use
those
dollars
to
buy,
can't
we
so
what
the
de
la
russo
team
would
like
to
do
is
to
for
us
to
to
donate
or
to
give
them
those
two
pieces
of
property
in
exchange
for
the
golf
course.
A
So,
as
you
can
see
the
two
properties
we
just
had
them
appraised
just
this
year,
2.5485
million
dollars
just
so
just
to
note,
is
that
we
one
drawback
we
have
about
if
we,
if
we
were
to
go
through
with
this,
is
that
the
city
we
have
a
communications
tower,
that's
on
its
last
leg,
as
rob
would
tell
you
it's
I
mean,
so
we
would
need
to
move
that
tower
somewhere
else.
It
it
it's,
maybe
three
years,
probably
at
the
outside.
A
So
it's
not
like
we're
we're
taking
down
a
perfectly
good
tower,
but
so
here's
kind
of
what
we're
you
know,
michael
and
I
have
been
working
on
with-
is
that
the
city
would
would
lease
back.
The
golf
course
in
in
exchange
for
those
two
pieces
of
property
and
harman
the
city
would
get
the
golf
course.
A
What
we
would
then
simultaneously
do
is
we
would
lease
back
the
golf
course
to
the
rock
springs
ridge,
homeowners
at
6
000
a
month
until
rock
springs
ridge,
can
secure
a
loan
or
bond
through
a
recreational
district,
so
basically
a
recreational
district.
If
they
were
to
start
tomorrow,
it
wouldn't
be,
they
couldn't
accomplish
it
until
the
next
tax
year
it
would
be
next
november
is
when
that
would
go
into
place.
A
They
could
probably
bond
as
soon
as
they
got
a
recreational
district
put
into
place,
but
that's
I
mean
I
think
the
makes
the
most
sense
if
they
want
to
do
it
now.
A
The
good
news
about
that
is
that,
regardless,
if
you,
if
you
didn't
pay
your
homeowners
association,
you
can
walk
away
from
that.
Whereas
if
it's
on
your
tax
bill,
it
would
go
to
the
next.
Whoever
bought
that
property,
then,
while
the
city
has
the
title,
the
golf
course
property,
the
city
would
administratively
amend
the
future
land
use
designation
of
the
golf
course
from
residential
to
recreational
in
order
to
preserve
its
current
use
as
a
recreational
amenity.
Such
a
land
use
map
amendment
would
also
include
administratively
amending
the
designations
for
the
other
residential
uses.
A
In
order
to
have
the
map
designations
of
the
remaining
parcels
correspond
with
the
existing
residential
density
of
the
plan
development.
So
right
now
is
is
what
we've
got
is
we've
got
some
overbuilt
in
the
one-to-one
zoned
properties
at
rox
range
ridge.
We
are
under
zoned
for
the
the
two
to
one
lots.
A
A
If
this
were
to
to
go
through
in
that
in
that
interim,
just
as
just
for
a
reference,
the
cost
to
each
of
the
1320
homeowners
in
rock
springs
ridge
for
20
years
would
be
at
3.5
percent
132
a
year
if
you
were
to
stretch
it
out
to
30
years
at
3.5
percent
102
per
year.
A
If,
if
rock
springs
ridge
were
to
rebuild
this
golf
course,
I
mean
I'd,
be
willing
to
give
them
what
we
call
as
a
tif
tax
incremental
financing
for
five
years,
which
would
be
basically
say
that
any
of
the
value
increased
value
above
their
current
market
value,
and
I
would
just
and
I'm
picking
a
number
of
350
000.
It's
probably
a
little
more
than
that.
A
But
if
you
take
350
000
and
you
increase
the
property
values
by
three
percent,
which,
if
you,
if
you're
a
homeowner,
that's
all
you
can
go
up
because
of
save
our
homes,
then
that
would
generate
the
first
year
right
at
sixty
thousand
dollars,
then,
would
go
up
by
three
percent
every
year.
So
the
five
years
would
generate
about
three
hundred
fifteen
thousand
dollars
to
pay
for
golf
course
operating
costs.
A
So
this
is
kind
of
the
plan.
You
know
that
that's
been
presented
to
us
and,
and
so
it's
it's-
I
want
to
at
least
get
your
input
we're
going
to
have
a
community
meeting
next
tuesday
at
it's
six
o'clock.
I
think
it's
six
o'clock
next
tuesday
at
the
amphitheater
for
all
the
residents,
it
will
be
noticed.
Susan
will
notice
it.
So
commissioners
come
you
can
ask
questions
and
so
we're
we're
we're
we're.
A
Amphitheater
six
o'clock
it'll
go
in
the
the
apopka
chief
on.
B
A
A
So
any
questions
you
know.
A
E
So
here
would
be
my-
and
these
are
just
open-ended
questions
not
to
solve
here,
because
we
probably
don't
have
the
answers
here.
The
the
questions
that
jump
to
mind
sure
I'm
assuming
this
deal
is
for
this
land
at
this
value,
because
there's
intrinsic
upside
to
that
value,
this
isn't
a
offer
to
the
residents
of
rock
springs
for
that
same
price.
Does
that
make
sense,
meaning
if
you
took
us
out
of
the
equation,
because
in
all
honesty,
the
city
has
no
vested
interest
in
this
property
correct
right?
K
A
E
E
Don't
know
the
history
of
the
rock
springs
ridge
hoa
and
you
know
how
often
they
reach
quorum
on
anything
any
of
their
meetings,
and
so
some
a
decision
like
this
obviously
would
be
dependent
upon
what
the
pleasure
of
that
community,
because
we
can't
just
do
this
and
say,
oh
by
the
way
you're
on
the
hook
for
six
thousand
dollars.
They've.
A
E
A
E
And
then
two
what's
not
on
here
the
last
last
point
is
you
know
if
they
do
decide
to
rebuild.
Obviously
I
get
what
you're
saying
with
the
tiff
and
the
operating
costs,
but
you
know
just
the
the
reshaping
rebuilding
costs
would
probably
I'm
just
throwing
a
number
out
there.
It's
probably
upwards
of
two
three
million
bucks,
probably.
A
Probably
more
like
four
yeah
yeah,
and
just
so
that
everybody
understands
it.
You
know
that
that
part,
the
the
the
bottom.
You
know
the
tiff.
If
arrow
estate
were
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
the
same
thing,
we
would
be
I'd,
be
more
than
willing
the
same
thing
with
them.
If
they
wanted
to
rebuild
the
golf
course,
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
have
two
good
golf
courses
in
apopka
and
give
them
that
same
tiff
for
the
five
years,
but.
J
A
There's
probably
some
truth
in
there.
I,
I
guess
you
know
hanging
over
our
heads
like
there's,
there's
always
the
chance.
I
mean
what
you
know.
Is
it
10
or
15
chance
that
that
he
could
win
in
court
based
on
you
know,
bert
harris.
You
know,
there's
some
there's
some
pretty
far-reaching,
bert
harris
bills
in
the
legislature
that
will
give
property
owners
additional
rights.
A
A
Yeah,
no,
I
I
I'm
with
you
100.
If
the
homeowners
don't
think
this
is
a
value
to
them,
the
that
to
take
take
de
la
russo
out
of
that,
then
then
we
keep
fighting
along.
You
know
forever,
but
I
mean
I'm
hoping
we
can.
You
know
this
would
be
this
one
shot
at
a
resolution
and
if,
if
the
homeowners
you
know
want
to,
you
know,
keep
we
can
keep
fighting
it
as
well.
A
I
know
that
somebody
I've
heard
that
the
the
attorney
fees
already
they've
already
spent
this
year,
you've
spent
100
and
north
of
125
000.
So
there's
a
some
some
reason
to
try
to
settle,
but
so
anyway,
all
right.
G
Well,
it
is
my
community
yeah,
I
mean,
let's
see
what
happens
at
the
hoa
meeting,
but
I'm
again
I'm
gonna
kind
of
echo.
What
commissioner
becker
says:
if
he's
willing
to
take
these
two
properties
that
add
up
to
24
two
million
four
hundred
and
eighty
five
thousand,
why
wouldn't
he
sell
it
to
us
at
that
price?
Why
did
he
need
to
take
our
property.
G
A
A
Correct,
no,
I
I
agree,
I
mean
the
only
the
the
one
worry
I
have
if,
if
you
know,
depending
on
what
happens
with
camp
weewa,
you
know
that
the
the
bigger
piece
of
property
on
harmon
was
going
to
be
our
our
recreational
site
and
we
even
have
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
we
were
awarded
under
a
ferdap
grant
to
to
improve
that
for
fields
and
whatnot,
so
we'd
have
to
replace.
A
If,
if
we
did
this
deal
and
we
didn't
get
camp
weewa,
then
we
wouldn't,
we
would
have
to
immediately
start
to
look
for
property
in
that
southwest
region
to
to
make
sure
we
we
keep
our
recreational
acres
to
to
constituents
so
that
that
is
a
potential
problem
absolutely.
But
I
think
I
think
can't
we
we
shouldn't.
You
know
knock
on
what
I
think
we
should
know
in
the
next
for
sure
in
the
next
30
days,
and
I'm
not
and
I'm
almost
positive.
C
G
But
I
I
just
found
that
interesting
that
he
all
of
a
sudden
is
willing
to
sell
at
this
price,
and
I
think
that's
what
something
that
the
rock
springs
ridge
was
looking
for
was
a
fair
price
yeah,
because
initially
he
was
asking.
G
Land
swap,
I
should
say,
but
we're
still,
we
still
are
involved
correct.
A
Well,
I
mean,
I
think
part
of
it
is.
I
think
I
think
he
wants
this
thing
over
as
well
as
much
as
I
mean
his
attorney
costs
more
than
your
attorney.
I
bet
you,
so
I
think
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
attorney.
The
only
guys
getting
rich
right
now
are
the
attorneys
on
both
sides,
and
so
we
had
a
pretty
frank
discussion
on
what
day
was
that
michael
was.
A
A
Houses
to
meet
the
you
know,
you're
above
your
your
your
threshold
there
and,
and
so
michael
says,
well,
yeah,
you're,
right
and,
and
that
would
be
great
for
you
know,
del
air
is
to
say
yeah.
We
just
we
just
threw
40
people
out
of
their
houses
and
mowed
their
house
down.
I
said
so,
you
know,
that's,
that's
not
that's,
not
productive,
and
then
we
said
man.
We
could
shut
the
restaurant
down.
So
you
know
it,
you
know,
then
we
we
got
better
from
there.
It
went
uphill
from
there,
and
so
we
got.
A
I
think
we
you
know
came
to
something
that
you
know
it's
an
option
if
the
homeowners
want
it.
I
would
sure
like
to
put
this
thing
behind
me
and.