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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting May 5, 2021
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on May 5, 2021 at 1:30 PM.
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Okay,
we've
got
two
sets
of
minutes:
we've
got
the
the
rock
springs
ridge
community
meeting
minutes,
as
well
as
the
the
last
regular
city
council
meetings.
Any
changes,
if
not
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
so
luke,
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
banks
in
a
second
second
by
commissioner
becker,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
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I
We
have
mike
talento
he's
the
chief
flight
medic
with
orlando
health.
Also
with
him,
is
ty
campbell,
another
flight
medic
and
a
division,
art
division
chief
of
umass
will
sanchez.
Also
with
this
is
elizabeth
watkins
who's,
a
local
government
affairs
manager
for
orlando
health,
so
they're
back
for
questions
afterwards.
I
But
what
we
want
to
talk
about
today
is
air
care.
What
is
air
care?
Air
care
is
obviously
the
helicopter
that
responds
to
a
number
of
different
incidents,
but
basically
it's
a
partnership
between
orlando
health
and
air
methods
to
bring
critical
care
transport
via
three
helicopters
to
the
central
florida
region.
I
So
what
we
we're
going
to
get
to
in
a
little
bit
and
what
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
is
this
resource
doesn't
respond
unless
we
ask
it
to
respond
and
we're
going
to
get
into
more
detail
down
a
little
bit.
The
other
side
of
the
air
care
partnership
is
orlando
health
and
I'm
pretty
sure,
we're
all
very
familiar
with
orlando
health.
I
As
it's
the
region's
level
one
trauma
center
provides
that
care
and
again
one
thing
you
might
not
know
is
the
deep
roots
that
orlando
health
actually
has
in
our
community
as
well.
There's
over
782
team
members
who
are
residents
of
apopka
who
work
for
orlando
health,
two
practices
here
as
well,
so
orlando
health
is
also
connected
to
our
business
via
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
active
sponsor
for
many
of
our
events.
I
I
I
I
kind
of
want
to
break
that
down
a
little
bit,
so
you
guys
understand
what
a
critical
care
paramedic
is
and
what
a
care
nurse
is
normal
paramedics.
When
we
go
to
school
it's
about
a
year
and
a
half
to
two
years
of
schooling,
starting
with
emt
working.
Your
way
up
critical
care
paramedics
have
to
have
years
of
knowledge
and
ability
in
the
field
when
they
go
for
that
next
kind
of
training.
I
So,
as
you
can
see,
these
these
professionals
are
coming
are
highly
skilled,
highly
trained
personnel
that
comes
in
this
helicopter
together,
they're
able
to
provide
life-saving
treatment
interventions
at
patient
locations
and
their
studies
are
set
up
in
the
helicopter.
Also,
what's
important
to
note
here
is
these
helicopters
is
not
just
a
quick
ride.
It's
literally
an
icu
unit
in
the
air.
I
It's
like
an
emergency
department
on
scene,
also
important
to
note
air
care.
Does
a
50-50
split
of
scene
and
inter-facility
transports,
meaning
50
of
time
they
land
for
us
9-1-1.
Based
emergencies,
50
percent
of
time
they
do
interlocal
or
I'm
sorry,
inter-facility
transports
from
hospital
hospital,
and
things
like
that.
I
I
So
you
can
see
there's
a
kind
of
an
example
of
a
scene
there.
We
also
know
that
our
city
is
getting
larger
and
larger.
Our
infrastructure
is
growing
our
roads,
441
429,
451,
414,
all
high
speed
traffic.
Again
once
the
air
care
team
arrives,
one
good
thing
that
we
are
able
to
do.
There
is
supplement
the
work
that
the
first
responders
are
already
performing
again.
If
we
have
this
partnership,
we
develop
this
training.
I
They
can
actually
take
over
patient
care,
while
our
team's
working
on
extricating
the
patient,
if
necessary
again
once
a
patient
is
received
and
onboarded
by
the
air
care
team.
They'll
be
quickly
transported
to
the
patient
to
the
most
the
most
beneficial
facility
and
we'll
get
to
that
in
just
a
second
there's.
Just
a
few
more
examples
of
some
crashes
we've
dealt
with.
I
All
those
patients
when
we
deem
them
necessary
are
actually
have
to
be
transported
to
a
correct
facility,
either
a
pci
cable
facility
for
cardiac,
which
means
a
cath
lab
a
stroke
receiving
a
facility
for
strokes,
obviously,
and
that
level
one
or
level
two
trauma
center
for
a
trauma
alert
again
when
they
meet
those
criteria.
That's
where
we
have
to
transport
to
and
all
those
are
outside
the
city.
I
It's
also
again
important
to
remember
that,
once
air
care
does
take
over
patient
care
for
us,
it
re
frees
up
one
of
our
resources.
Now
we
can
keep
one
of
our
ambulances
in
our
city
to
again
better
protect
our
city,
understand
the
transport
down
to
rmc,
we'll
get
to
some
of
those
times
in
a
minute
and
some
of
that
stuff.
The
turnaround
time
for
that
is
usually
hours
by
the
time
we
get
that
resource
back
so
again,
another
another
benefit.
I
Critical
transport
as
itself
provides
advanced
care.
As
you
see
there,
critical
care
monitoring,
advanced
airway
management,
blood
on
all
born
air
aircraft
and
we're
going
to
get
that
specifically
in
a
minute.
But
you
have
to
understand
that
air
care
may
have
orlando
health
on
the
side,
but
it's
very
much
like
us.
There's
no
they're
not
exclusive
to
orlando
health,
so
it
depends
on
again
where
they
need
that
patient
needs
to
go
where
they're
going
to
transport.
I
When
we
talk
about
blood-
and
I
kind
of
mentioned
that
before
in
a
trauma
situation
when
we
are
dealing
with
a
trauma
patient
in
the
field,
it
is
a
true
surgical
emergency
and
that's
something
we'll
discuss
a
little
bit
further
in
a
minute.
But
we
have
capabilities.
Our
job
basically
is
to
stabilize
and
transport
that
patient
to
where
they
need
to
go.
It's
a
true
surgical,
emergency
things.
We
do
put
them
on
backboards
control,
their
airway
iv
fluids.
I
I
What
blood
differs
is
that
actually
carries
oxygen,
as
we
know
throughout
your
body,
those
red
blood
cells.
So
when
we're
actually
transporting
from
here
to
rmc,
we
have
the
normal
saline
that
does
not
contain
that
hemoglobin
or
that
I'm
sorry
that
those
red
blood
cells
to
carry
that
oxygen
so
again
having
this
on
this
aircraft
is
amazing.
It's
it
truly
can
save
lives.
I
Also
expanded
medical
medication
stock
to
handle
most
emergencies
on
our
ambulances
in
orange
county.
We
carry
about
20
medications.
This
unit
with
helicopter
lands
carries
over
60..
You
know
so.
That's
that's
amazing,
specialized
equipment,
transport,
ventilator,
iv
pumps
and
standing
orders
through
multiple,
multiple
disciplinary
teams
of
medical
doctors.
There's
a
lot
of
advances
with
this
for
sure.
I
I
Again,
that's
why
we're
on
our
discussion
today
moving
the
helicopter.
Here
we
have
our
great
access
in
our
highways.
We
know
that
that's
growing
continuously
building
infrastructure,
but
what
separates
us
right
now
is
time.
That's
our
biggest
hindrance.
We're
seeing
again
the
first
set
you're
going
to
see
is
our
criteria
that
are
set
for
trauma,
cardiac
and
strokes.
I
These
times
are
critical
from
the
time
of
incident.
That's
important
to
remember
too
not
the
time
that
we
arrive
on
scene,
but
the
time
the
injury
actually
occurs,
that
the
stroke
symptoms
take
place
or
cardiac
event
takes
place
so
again,
trauma
you'll,
see
60
minutes
from
injury
to
trauma
center.
That's
the
golden
hour
of
the
term
you
heard
and
trauma
is
a
time-sensitive
disease.
We
call
it.
In
fact,
we
were
taught
in
school
that
the
number
one
drug
for
trauma
is
diesel
fuel.
I
I
These
patients
to
critical
care
is
muscle
next
you're
going
to
see
approximations
where
we're
actually
sitting
right
now
the
closest
level
2
trauma
center
from
if
something
were
happening
right
now
in
city
hall,
which
is
cfr
out
in
sanford,
is
26
miles.
36
minutes
again.
That
won't
be
our
facility
we
choose
now,
but
that's
from
where
we're
sitting
2rmc
level,
1
pediatric,
trauma
center
and
pediatric
trauma
center
18
miles
about
27
minutes
with
no
traffic
comprehensive
stroke
center
is
about
the
same
floor.
I
We
all
know
peak
hours
in
the
mornings,
lunch
rush
hours
and
coming
home
is
getting
longer
and
longer
the
you
know
our
average.
Our
average
response
time
in
the
city
is
four
to
eight
minutes,
so
we're,
actually,
you
know
doing
a
little
bit
better
on
that
side
and
time
is
critical
in
emergency
medicine.
I
This
next
slide
a
story
from
bailey's
story.
We
call
it
actually.
Orlando
health
received
permission
to
share
this
story,
so
we
wanted
to
share
it
with
you
guys,
one
of
the
and
some
of
the
you
know
it's
still
talked
about
somewhat,
but
a
little
known
fact.
The
trauma
is
actually
still
the
leading
cause
of
individuals
up
to
age
45.
I
When
we
think
of
strokes
or
heart
attacks
or
the
need
for
critical
care
transport,
especially
the
strokes
and
heart
attacks,
we
tend
to
think
more
of
our
experienced
members
of
our
community
because
I
like
to
put
you
know
the
elderly,
but
when
it
comes
to
ages
here
we
can
see
the
with
from
trauma
just
simply
doesn't
matter.
When
bailey
was
17
years
old,
he
was
traveling
home
from
football
practice.
I
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I
We
have
some
people
in
the
back
can
answer
more
questions,
but
one
again
understand
what
the
structure
is
that
they're
proposing
what
is
an
air
base
crew
quarters,
similar
to
a
fire
station
or
or
that
are
staffed,
24
7,
just
like
we
are
with
a
nurse
a
paramedic
and
a
pilot,
the
50
by
50,
compliant
helipad
and
faa
compliant
fencing
and
a
small
build
out.
What
it's
not
again
is
a
heavy
maintenance
facility.
That's
performed,
and
that's
just
performed
the
off-site
facility
in
kissimmee.
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Yeah,
because
that's
important,
you
know
we
don't
want
to
surprise
them
and
have
a
helicopter
in
their
backyard.
We
want
them
to
at
least
embrace.
You
know
that
embrace
the
idea
of
having
you
know
the
critical
care
behind
them.
So
that's
important.
That's
the
only
thing
that
I
will
suggest
is
to
make
sure
that
if
there's
business
owners
in
the
area
there
and
any
residential
that
you
do.
F
Oh
okay
and
that's
important
right
now,
yeah
and
you
know,
even
if
you
have
to
have
a
community
meeting
or
a
meeting
with
the
hoa
board,
that's
important
to
to
have
that
so
that
you
don't
have
what
did
happen
with
rock
springs
ridge,
which
you
know
you
had
more
naysayers
come
out
than
than
anyone
to
support
it.
Okay,
that's
the
only
thing
that
I
have.
I
mean
I've
seen
this
presentation.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
great
asset
for
apopka,
certainly
for
the
fire
department.
You
know
you
deal
with
the
critical.
F
You
know
cases
here
in
apopka
and
if
and
if
it
saves
one
life
and
you're
right,
because
during
the
next
door,
neighbor-
and
sometimes
I
look
in
in
social
medias,
there's
these
major
accidents
that
are
happening
now
with
the
new
parkway,
and
so,
if
it's
a
service
that
we
can
provide
to
save
lives.
It's
absolutely
welcome.
J
I
J
Because
it
should,
I
mean
again,
the
statistics
should
back
up
that.
I
think
this
is
a
great
location,
and
you
know,
as
you
said,
the
other
one.
There
was
a
challenge.
This
one
just
seems
to
be
the
perfect
fit,
and
I'm
just
I'm
really
pleased
with
how
you
all
have
proceeded
in
this,
and-
and
I
appreciate
it,
I
think
this
isn't
a
tremendous
asset
to
the
area
here
and
critical
care.
Obviously
the
golden
hour
and
this
this
is
going
to
save
a
lot
more
lives.
B
I
Yes,
sir
three
helicopters
in
the
fleet,
so
if
you
go
that
picture
there
in
the
middle
is
the
is
the
actual
three
assets.
There's
one
in
kissimmee,
there's
one
actually
now
in
leesburg
and
the
current
location
of
this
one
is
longwood
they're
going
to
move
west
towards
us.
So
these
are
the
three
helicopters
that
are
actually
available
for
air
care
and
so
kind
of
a
neat.
Since
you
brought
it
up,
if
ours
happens,
to
go
somewhere
else,
usually
they
move
up
the
helicopters
and
put
them
in
the
best
location
possible
for
the
area.
I
A
K
Yeah
to
answer
commissioner
banks
in
this
point
I
I
stood
outside
when
they
had
the
sunday
community
meeting
for
rock
springs
ridge
with
the
resident.
He
was
actually
a
musician,
so
he
had
his
little
app
out
to
judge
decibel
levels
and
we
were
a
few
hundred
yards
away
and
it
never
got
above
80.
so
in
context
of
what
a
siren
from
a
from
a
fire
truck
would
be
much
lower
than
that.
So
I
don't
think
that's
a
concern
of
mine
because
it
was,
it
was
pretty
quiet.
K
L
I
K
I
I
I
I
Well-
and
we
did
some
of
our
due
diligence
and
research
as
far
as
how
long
how
often
we've
used
it
this
past
year,
so
we
learned
that
from
may
to
may
of
last
year,
we've
utilized
them
six
times.
You
know
types
of
calls,
and
I
think
I'll
have
some
of
that
here
now.
Is
that
going
to
increase?
You
know
again
with
our
our
girls.
K
I
K
What
I
was
generally
wanting
to
get
in,
I
just
want
people
to
have
the
right
lens
when
they
think
about
this,
because
you
know
again
when
we,
when
they
were
still
proposing
the
rock
springs
location.
There
was
a
lot
of
noise
around
just
the
frequency
of
these
things
and
so
to
commissioner
velasquez's
point
the
business
owners
around
there.
What
the
expectation
would
be
for
some
of
the
up
down
of
the
helicopter.
I
don't
think
we're
talking
like
ridiculous
volumes
here,
right
right.
K
A
I
D
A
A
N
N
I
didn't
hear
if
there
was
a
tentative
date
for
the
land
swap
to
be
completed,
so
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
you
maybe
you're,
going
to
give
some
of
this
more
information.
Your
report,
because
I
just
noticed
that
you
did
have
that
as
an
item
prior
to
a
land
swap
transaction
prior
to
it
being
completed.
Will
there
be
an
operational
budget
or
cost
analysis
provided
to
the
residents,
a
rock
springs
ridge
during
the
leasing
period?
N
N
N
N
You
know
for
me,
that's
what
I
would
like
for
it
to
see,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
all
ultimately
up
to
the
council
to
decide
in
regards
to
that
and
then
the
other
thing
you
guys
had
one
of
the
drawbacks
being
the
the
cell
tower
being
relocated.
I
guess
that
would
be
an
additional
cost
to
the
city
there.
Again.
N
If
we're
looking
at
these
unit
mix,
we
can
possibly
maintain
and
keep
the
2139
on
the
road
to
where
the
sail
tire
can
be
relocated
there
and
then
also
notice
that
the
current
fire.
I
don't
know
if
it's
station
six
is
down
on
the
site
for
the
hospital.
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
there
forever,
but
this
could
be
a
possible
potential
site
in
the
future
for
it
to
be
relocated
as
well.
So
that
was
just
some
of
my
concerns.
I
wanted
to
kind
of
address.
A
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
we'll
we'll
have
it
in
the
report.
Yeah,
that's
a
lot
of
questions.
I
don't,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
rogers,
if
you'd
send
me
that
list
and
then
we'll
kind
of
take
take
them
one
at
a
time.
I
mean
I'll
I'll
kind
of
go
through
the
report
today,
but
it's
more
high
level
than
than
these
detailed
questions,
but.
D
A
D
C
A
O
M
Okay,
this
is
a
major
development
plan
for
the
nottingham
subdivision.
The
property
is
located
at
3515
and
3081
poncan
road
and
is
approximately
23.4
acres
in
size.
Rezoning
was
recently
approved
for
this
property
to
rezone
it
to
rsf-1b
for
the
purposes
of
developing
a
46
lot.
Single-Family
residential
subdivision
and
the
major
development
plan
proposes
46
lots
lot
west
range
between
or
minimum
lot
widths
are
75
feet,
a
lot
area
of
8
000
square
feet
and
a
minimum
living
area
of
1600
square
feet
are
provided
and
that
is
what's
required
in
the
rsf1b
zoning
district.
M
Access
to
the
subdivision
is
from
poncan
road.
Two
public
streets
are
proposed
within
the
development
storm.
Water
retention
is
proposed
on
track
c,
which
is
on
the
western
side
of
the
development
part
of
the
requirements
of
the
land
development
code.
20
of
the
site
is
reserved
as
open
space
there'll
be
a
landscape
buffer
provided
along
pumpkin
road
and
adjacent
to
an
ag
zone
property
located
on
lots
34
through
46..
M
B
M
M
O
E
K
On
that
I
mean
so
in
our
land
development
code,
do
we
require
the
developers
to
put
anything
in
their
hoa
bylaws
or
anything
like
that?
That
kind
of
give
that
indication.
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
sign
there,
that
says
future
road
connection
or
something
like
that.
So
is
that
basically
checking
that
box.
Is
that
signage?
Yes,
right?
Okay,.
F
F
M
L
Rod,
olson
3156
rolling
in
lane
hills
lane
easy
for
me
to
say
popka
anyway.
My
only
question
is
related
to
the
aspect
of
schools.
This
one,
you
will
be
hearing
from
me
constantly
that
we
keep
the
city
the
county.
The
state
and
school
board
continue
to
rubber
stamp
this
type
of
development
and
we
continue
to
have
trailers
the
brand
new
property,
the
school.
That's
going
in
the
k.
I
can't
remember
the
number
on
jason
dewelly
has
12
sites
built
onto
it.
We
cannot
continue
to
operate
this
way.
The
safety
of
our
children
is
vital.
K
M
M
A
A
E
Q
The
current
contract
purchaser
for
the
property,
which
is
located
at
1617
west
keene
road,
has
made
an
application
for
a
brownfield
designation
for
the
property.
If
a
brownfield's
designation
is
achieved,
the
contract
purchaser
can
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
dep
in
order
to
have
a
to
do
brownfields
remediation.
That
allows
and
opens
the
opportunity
for
certain
economic
investments
for
the
cleaning
of
the
property,
as
well
as
the
redevelopment
of
the
property.
Q
The
applicant
has
suggested
that
the
property
is
is
maybe
available
for
potential
commercial
development
and
hence
such
incentives
on
the
part
of
the
state.
In
order
to
redevelop
to
clean
and
redevelop
the
property
would
be
beneficial
in
the
long
term
to
the
city.
So
the
requirements
are
initially
that
the
council
here
authorizes
to
move
forward
for
the
designation
process,
as
well
as
to
designate
and
announce
the
public
meetings.
Q
The
state
law
requires
that
there
are
two
public
hearings
that
are
held
for
a
brownfield
designation
with
one
of
the
meetings
actually
held
at
or
as
close
as
possible
to
the
site.
Tentatively,
we
have
scheduled,
may
17th
at
6
pm
for
the
first
public
meeting
at
the
site,
actually
at
1617
west
keene
road,
with
the
second
public
hearing
being
here
at
the
city
council
at
our
regularly
scheduled
june,
2nd
1
30
p.m.
Q
Meeting
for
for
the
final
for
the
final
designation,
such
a
resolution
is
then
submitted
to
the
state
to
notify
dep
that
the
city
has
authorized
such
d,
such
designation,
the
properties
of
brownfield
and
then
the
applicant.
The
contract,
purchaser
or
potential
property
owner
can
then
proceed
forward
to
begin
negotiating
with
dep,
to
receive
what
is
known
as
a
brownfield
site
rehabilitation
agreement.
Q
Q
F
F
H
B
Q
Q
Now
the
statute
provides
the
criteria
that
you'd
analyze,
that
you're
to
analyze.
That
was
part
of
the
submittal
on
the
part
of
the
applicant,
which
was
part
of
your
packet
that
those
determinations
are
made
at
the
second
public
hearing
when
the
council
votes
on
the
actual
resolution,
the
resolution,
once
you
make
your
findings,
the
resolution
will
state
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
six
standards
for
a
brownfields
designation.
Q
This
first
hearing
today
is
basically
we're
having
the
council
authorize
the
process
to
move
forward,
but
those
are
the
six
criteria.
The
staff
will
review
and
then
make
the
presentation,
as
part
of
the
second
public
hearing
that
the
applicant
does
or
does
not
meet
the
six
requirements
for
a
brownfield
designation.
Q
Q
R
Good
afternoon
and
commissioners,
I'm
michael
schnapsteller
with
the
law
firm
of
cobb
cole,
149,
south
ridgewood
avenue
in
daytona
beach
here
tonight,
or
here
this
afternoon
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
the
property
owner
is
the
current
property
owner
is
also
here
as
well
to
to
commissioner
smith's
question
there,
there's
multiple
frontages
along
the
property
on
on
keene
and
okay
apopka
road.
My
understanding
is
the
current
address
for
the
parcels
is
on
the
on
the
keene
road
and
there's
a
building
there,
and
that's
we're
going
to
have
that
that
meeting.
R
So
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
address
was
used
so
that
folks
know
where
to
specifically
go
in
case.
They
want
to
attend
that
meeting
on
the
17th
but
you're
correct
there
are,
you
know,
frontages
along
both
sides
of
the
parcel
and
then
to
commissioner
becker's
question.
You
know
the
definition
of
brownfields.
You
can
blame
the
feds.
They
they
created
it.
The
word
is
a
site
that
has
actual
or
perceived
environmental
issues.
We've
done
our
due
diligence
out
there
we've
investigated
the
site.
R
We
know
that
there
were
storage
tanks
out
there.
We
we
know
that.
There's
a
history
of
ag
and
nursery
use
and
application
of
agrochemicals,
and
so
the
state
you
know,
incentivizes
someone
who
who
goes
in
and
you
know
not
only
finds
the
site-
that's
contaminated
and
cleans
it
up,
but
also
finds
the
site
that
you
think
might
be
contaminated
and
you
do
your
homework.
You
do
your
work
and,
and
you
find
that
there's
nothing
out
there,
so
we're
at
that
stage.
Now,
where
we
think
there's
something
out
there
we're
going
to
investigate
it.
R
K
Yeah
I
mean
so
I'm
reading
the
letter
and
to
me-
and
this
is
just
my
opinion-
the
criteria
is
more
once
you
have
that
designation.
You
commit
to
doing
those
activities
after
the
fact,
my
question
was-
and
I
I
think
probably
answer
my
own
question
is
perception-
is
a
pretty
gives
it
allows
us
a
lot
of
latitude.
I
just
didn't
know
if
there
was.
You
know
a
check
box
that
said
for
a
former
nursery
type
property
you've
got
to
meet
this
criteria.
This
criteria,
this
criteria
to
get
brownfield.
K
R
Understood
yeah
it
there's
there's,
there's
not
specific
standards,
for
you
know
the
the
specific
historic
uses
that
are
out
there.
We've
seen
you
know
golf
courses
be
designated
as
brownfields
gas
stations,
manufacturing
facilities
and
and
ag
because
you
know
there
is
a
history
of
of
chemicals
that
again
have
long
been
banned,
no
longer
utilized,
but
but
someone
has
to
address
it
and
that's
our
plan
to
do
this
at
this
site
to
make
sure
that
the
site
is
is
safe
for
for
human
health
and
the
environment.
A
I
just
just
for
full
disclosure
I
had
when
brownfield
came
up
when
I
was
on
the
county
commission,
and
I
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
doing
and
I
understand
exactly
where
you
are.
I
don't
know
that
I
agree
with.
I
think
that
the
rules
should
be
a
lot
tighter
than
they
are.
I
I
don't
doubt
that
what
you're
doing
is
completely
legal
and
it's
and
it's
what
you
should
be,
but
we
had
one
is
on
thompson
road.
A
That
nursery
had
been
abandoned
for
20
something
years
and
and
they
gave
them
brownfield
designation,
which
I
understand
you
know
the
economics
of
it.
You
know
the
question
is
for
me
from
the
dollars
that
you
know
there
are
plenty
of
brownfield.
You
know,
there's
only
so
many
dollars
for
brownfield,
you
know
remediations
and
when
you're,
when
you're,
limiting
because
of
a
perceived
you
know
chemical
usage
from
the
nurseries.
A
A
All
the
you
know
the
the
the
requirements-
it's
just
you
know,
there's
dollars
that
we
could
have
been
spending
on
actual,
you
know
laundromats
and
things
where
there's
we
know
there
are
issues
and
the
the
line
to
get
these
properties
cleaned
up
that
we
know
we
have
problems
with
is
being
limited
because
of
these
dollars.
So
so
I
don't
you
know.
R
Yeah,
that's
a
fantastic
point
mayor
and
just
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
is
clear.
The
incentives
only
come
available
if
you
sign
the
cleanup
agreement
with
the
state
that
says:
you're,
you've
investigated
the
site,
you're
cleaning
up
the
site,
you're
taking
care
of
every
issue
vertically
and
horizontally,
just
like
you're
the
party
that
polluted
and
and
that's
our
intent
here.
K
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
that
mayor,
because
you
ask
yourself
what
would
stop
us
from
just
declaring
everything
brownfield
right
and
so
to
your
point,
it's
a
scarcity
of
resource
that
that
this
is
coming
from
a
pot
of
money
to
incentivize
you
to
do
the
remediation
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
maybe
a
good
piece
of
information
for
us
as
a
council
would
be
is.
Is
there
truly
scarcity
of
those
dollars?
Are
all
those
dollars
utilized
in
any
given
year
and
are
we
putting
you
know
things
like
that
at
risk?
R
The
state
sets
aside
10
million
dollars
per
year
for
all
of
the
brownfield
sites
in
the
state,
so
it
makes
it
the
second
biggest
cleanup
program
in
our
state
after
the
the
gas
station
program,
so
the
gas
station
program
we
pay
taxes
when
we
go
to
the
gas
stations
that
that
funds,
those
cleanups
brownfields,
is
a
tax
refund.
Most
developers
don't
pay
florida
corporate
income
tax,
so
they
end
up
selling
the
tax
credits.
R
The
the
limit
is
10
million
per
year,
but
if
that
amount
is
exhausted,
it
just
comes
out
of
the
next
year's
budget.
So
it's
not
like
there's
there's
the.
If
you
do
the
work,
you're
never
going
to
get
the
resource
or
someone's
going
to
get
kicked
out.
It
just
means
you're.
You
might
wait
a
year
to
get
your
credits,
so
there
is
a
cap.
But
again
the
cap
is
not
a
first
come
first
served
you
get
kicked
out.
It's
just
you've
got
to
wait
till
the
the
funding
lines
up
with
you.
R
A
R
R
N
R
So
yeah
yeah,
so
the
tax
credits
that
this
the
legislature
can
only
authorize
up
to
10
million
dollars
per
year
in
in
the
tax
credits
to
be
issued.
But
if
the
state
receives
application
for
more
than
10
million
dollars
right
it
just
they,
they
approve
it.
And
you
get
a
letter
that
says
your
your
application
has
been
approved,
but
you
have
to
wait
until
the
next
year's
10
million
dollars
is
issued.
So
if
the
state
receives
12
million
dollars
in
applications,
they
approve
it
they've
done
the
work.
R
R
R
R
A
R
Six,
I
mean
if
we
don't
meet
the
there's
two
ways
that
brownfield
areas
can
be
designated
one
at
on
the
local
government's
own
initiative,
and
then
sometimes
you
see
local
governments
designate
brownfield
areas
on
their
own
and
then
the
way
we've
requested
it
is
is
through.
What's
called
the
mandatory
or
specific
criteria
where
we've
demonstrated,
we've
met
the
criteria.
R
Q
Be
it
would
be
similar
an
applicant
has
to
prove
and
has
to
show,
with
competent,
substantial
evidence
that
they
meet
all
the
standards
that
are
that
are
listed
as
part
of
the
statute.
If
we
come
in
the
staff
will
review
it
and
the
staff
believes
and
recommends
they
only
meet
five
of
the
six.
Then
they
don't,
they
don't
get
that
statutory
threshold
to
be
designated
to
be
designated
brownfield,
similar
to
a
special
exception.
You
have
to
meet
certain
criteria.
L
A
Thanks
rod:
okay,
anybody
else,
all
right
without
I'll
ask
for
a
motion
for
authorization
to
hold
a
public
hearing
on
the
request
for
brownfield
area.
Designation
on
behalf
of
branch
apopka
associates
llc,
so
move
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
banks,
a
second
second
by
commissioner
smith,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
C
A
S
S
E
T
A
F
T
Ordinance
number
2837
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
to
extend
its
territorial
and
municipal
limits
to
annex
pursuant
to
florida
statute.
171.044
the
here
and
after
described,
lands
situated
and
being
in
orange
county
florida
owned
by
donna
and
carl
redder,
located
on
the
southwest
corner
of
sadler
road
and
golden
gem
road
providing
for
directions
to
the
city,
clerk,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
A
C
U
Good
afternoon
allison
williams
planner
one
with
the
city's
planning
division.
Today
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
rezone
a
19.11
acre
parcel
of
land
from
t
transitional
to
rsf1b
residential
single
family
large
lot.
The
subject
property
is
located
at
202,
south
pinion
road
property
was
annexed
into
the
city
on
december,
4th
2004
via
ordinance
number
1705.
U
V
U
J
K
D
K
V
How
are
you,
commissioners,
jose
cantero
citrus
ridge,
real
estate,
I'm
the
subject:
parcel
we've
talked
with
city
staff,
about
making
the
lots
that
have
joined
the
neighborhood
to
the
south.
90
foot
wide
lots,
so
our
plan
is
to
do
just
that.
The
interior
lots
will
be
about
75
foot,
but
the
ones
on
the
southern
boundary
will
match
the
neighborhood
to
the
south.
Great.
Thank
you
I'm
here.
If
there
any
other
further.
V
A
B
A
H
C
J
T
Ordinance
number
2831
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka,
designating
the
future
land
use
map
to
mixed
use
for
a
portion
of
certain
real
property,
generally
located
east
of
state
road,
429
and
south
of
peterson
road
and
west
of
grand
avian
parkway
owned
by
pmdw
ventures.
Llc
comprising
9.84
acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
date.
P
The
city's
future
land
use
map
currently
shows
the
subject.
Property
has
an
existing
future
land
use
designation
of
mixed
use.
However,
during
a
title
search,
no
documentation
was
found
that
a
mixed-use
future
land
use
designation
was
approved
on
the
property
to
correct
the
discrepancy.
The
applicant
requests
the
mixed-use
future
land
use
designation,
be
formally
reapproved
on
the
subject
property.
P
P
W
W
K
W
K
W
W
W
V
W
F
A
C
T
Ordinance
number
2834,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
t
transitional
district
to
kelly
park,
interchange,
district,
mixed
use,
m-u-k-p-I
and
assigning
kelly
park,
crossing
transition,
overlay
district
for
certain
real
property
located
west
of
golden
jam,
road
and
south
of
west
kelly
park;
road
comprising
35.56
acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
foremost,
foremost,
co,
inc,
providing
product
directions
to
the
community
development
director.
Several
ability,
conference
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
O
O
O
The
subject
property
has
mixed
to
use
future
land
use
which
is
compatible
with
the
proposed
kelly
park.
Interchange,
district
zoning,
the
master
major
development
plan
shows
165
single
family
lots
with
50
feet,
50
foot
wide
lots
being
along
the
exterior
and
32
foot
wide
lots
being
located
in
the
interior.
O
O
K
That's
single
use,
so
it's
a
leading
question.
I
apologize
this.
Doesn't
this
isn't
mixed
use,
it's
single
family
residential
and
when
I
look
at
the
transition
overlay
in
our
in
our
form
based
code,
it
states
on
one
of
the
sentences
the
zone
shall
respect
pedestrian
function
and
scale
and
shall
mainly
be
comprised
of
single
or
multi-use
office,
medium
density,
residential
buildings
and
urban
single-family
homes.
W
Oh
sorry,
the
the
designations
in
this
area
are
all
supposed
to
be
mixed
use
as
it
is
because
it
is
a
mixed-use
product
in
terms
of
the
land
use
itself,
so
it
automatically
goes
to
mixed
use,
no
matter
what
it's,
what
designation
or
what
location
it
is
in
this
case,
it's
it's.
I
believe
this
is
the.
This
is
transition.
W
We're
looking
at
is
what
is
a
comparable
or
a
an
appropriate
mix
for
this
location.
If
we
were
to
put
any
commercial
on
this
it,
it
doesn't
front
anything
that
actually
could
support
a
commercial
type
use.
So
we're
looking
at
that
in
this
case
is
they've,
got
like
a
town,
home
type
development
and
a
single
family
development.
So
we
staff
feels
that
that,
for
where
this
is
located
is
an
appropriate
type.
Mixed
use.
K
Really,
no
one
had
a
requirement
to
build
anything
other
than
residential
correct
because,
regardless
residential
is
residential,
I
consider
that
a
use
and
then
retail
or
commercial
or
industrial
or
whatever
office,
that's
a
different
use.
So
mixed
use,
in
my
feeble
mind,
as
residential
plus
anything
else
of
the
ones
that
I
just
mentioned,
and
this
one's
just
a
pure
residential
play,
and
I
just
don't
think
that
that
really
meets
the
spirit
of
this
mixed-use
type
of
development.
K
Even
with
our
own
writing
of
the
code,
because
the
transition
overlay
I
mean
it
does
say
that
it
says
the
zone
shall
which,
in
my
mind,
is
a
requirement,
and
it
talks
about
all
those
things
using
the
word
and
meaning
all
of
those
are
in
play.
So
why?
Why
should
I
not
when
I'm
reviewing
something
like
this
expect
that.
W
We're
again
we're
looking
at
where
it
would
be
appropriate
to
do
a
mixed
type
use
product
in
this
case,
golden
gem
and
sadler,
really
isn't
an
area
where
we
want
to
pop
some
commercial
in
there,
because
that's
almost
like
spot
zoning
at
that
point.
So
what
we've
been
staying
with
is
plymouth
sorrento
and
if
there's
a
a
feeder
road
or
a
an
arterial
like
kelly
park,
or
something
like
that.
That's
where
we're
looking
at
the
true
mixed
use,
product
yeah.
K
I
mean
my
it's
a
more
macro
level.
Concern
is,
you
know,
constantly
we
have
residential
residential
residential
and
when
we
come
to
something
like
this,
where
it's
mixed
use
and
you
would
expect
to
see
some
sort
of
commercial
retail,
something
where
you're
truly,
I
mean
the
first
sentence
there
for
transition.
W
K
W
Well,
one
of
the
things
that
they've
got
they
they
did
put
in
a
number
of
pedestrian
or
pocket
parks
in
the
the
main
park
which
is
required
also
for
the
code
again,
it's
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
the
the
drawing
board
and
require
a
commercial
where
staff
really
doesn't
feel
it
is
appropriate.
This
is
a
mixed
use,
product,
irregardless
of
saying
it's
residential,
all
of
it
or
not.
W
The
the
overall
kpi
form-based
code
does
have
a
map
and
in
those
colors
that
are
on
it.
If
you're
on
the
border
of
some
of
those
colors,
it
does
give
a
little
bit
of
discrepancy.
It's
not
exactly
that
line.
This
is
clearly
it's
in
the
it
is
in
the
transitional
area,
but
again
staff's
trying
to
also
be
a
little
bit
more
cognizant
of
where
you
could
put
commercial.
K
X
X
X
To
your
point,
I
actually
agree
with
what
you're
saying.
Commissioner
becker,
I
don't
disagree
with
you
with
your
issue.
Here's
my
problem.
My
problem
is,
is
when
you
look
at
the
map
when
you
look
at
the
map
and
you
look
at
how
the
colors
were
drawn,
there's
not
a
lot
of
logic
to
this
side
of
that
one
mile
radius,
because
the
idea
is
you've
got
neighborhood
transitional,
interchange,
village,
center
you're,
going
from
no
density
to
high
density,
and
the
problem
is,
is
on
this
side
of
that
circle.
X
X
X
C
K
Look
at
that
so
not
to
go
down
a
rabbit
hole,
but
that
takes
us
to
a
different
problem
right
then.
Why
did
we
all
agree
as
a
council
to
make
that
a
transition
area
if
we
didn't
see
value
in
it
being
a
true
transition,
type
of
digital
data?
We
all
approve
the
form
based
code
and
it
is
what
it
is
correct.
X
W
D
W
Of
land
similar
to
what
they
did
in
bolden
park
or
celebration,
unfortunately,
that's
not
the
reality
out.
There
is
that
these
the
developers
are
putting
together
as
much
property
as
they
can,
but
they're
already
trying
to
get
the
four
five
six
different
property
owners
to
agree
to
sell,
and
then
we
get
a
product
that
is
two
or
three
of
these
properties,
and
not
that
you
know
100
100,
acre
development
that
the
the
form-based
code
thought
it
was
going
on.
K
Was
so
let
me
play
that
one
back
and
I'm
not
trying
to
be
difficult
here,
but
because
I
a
developer,
can't
cobble
together
multiple
pieces
of
property
to
get
some
vast
development.
Like
that's
my
concern,
why
is
that
my
concern
like
we?
We
have
form-based
code
that
we
all
collectively
as
a
council-
maybe
not
every
single
person-
that's
sitting
up
here
today,
but
when
it
was
passed.
K
K
B
A
W
W
H
C
E
D
W
Probably
would
not
have
done
this
transition
area
as
big
as
it
is
on
the
left
hand
or
on
the
west
side
of
the
429.
It's
a
big
area
and
they
did
not
include
any
neighborhood
area
that
gives
that
transition
between
15
units
per
acre
to
10
years
break
or
to
five
minutes
breaker
and
then
back
down
to
two
there's
really
not
a
provided
transition
on
the
west
side
of
429
like
it
is
on
the
east
side.
A
Well,
I
think
now
be
a
good
time,
because
we've
got
so
much
going
on
in
that
that
in
the
kelly
park
crossing
interchange,
why
don't
we
come
back
next
commission
meeting
and
start
the
meeting
out
with
a
kind
of
a
overview
of
you
know,
kind
of
what
the
whole
area
looks
like
you
know
what
we've
already
got
kind
of
on
the
books
and
then
kind
of
at
least
address
some
of
those
issues.
I
mean,
I
understand
you
know
as
you
get
farther
out.
A
J
Well
again,
the
same
lines.
The
anticipation
here
was
to
see
some
development.
Where
are
restaurants
going
to
finally
be?
Where
is
that
you
know
the
shopping
and
that
thing
that
apopka
has
been
longing
for,
and
that's
again
to
your
point,
the
colors
that
designate
the
one
square
mile
this
and
that
this
is
towards
this
side,
but
that
this
is
the
exact
issue,
there's
no
dividing
line.
How
does
it
transition?
So
you
know,
I
see
both
sides
of
that
and
that
that
is
the
concern.
F
A
No
well,
I
mean,
I
think,
for
the
their
their
product
here
to
be
successful,
they're
going
to
need
to
have
commercials,
so
I
mean
it's
in
their
ventures
best
interest
to
make
sure
we've
got
commercial
within.
You
know
a
short
distance
in
office
and
those
kind
of
things.
So
you
know
I
if
we
could
just
do
that.
I
mean
obviously
it'll
be
before
you
know.
We
come
back
up
for
your
second
reading,
and
so
that
won't
be
you
know.
X
A
K
A
Q
You've
already
had
the
first
reading,
matter's
already
been
under
first
reading.
You
can
have
the
first
reading
hold
it
off
to
second
reading.
Second
reading,
you
may
be
able
to
table
or
postpone
the
second
reading
or
work
with
the
applicant
to
move
the
second
reading,
but
you've
already
conducted
the
first
reading
of
the
ordinance.
Q
A
F
T
Okay,
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
granting
a
non-exclusive
franchise
to
mid-florida
materials
to
provide
roll-off
container
collection,
disposal
and
waste
in
the
city
of
apopka
florida.
Pursuant
to
the
city
of
apopka
code
of
ordinances,
chapter
58,
article
3,
providing
for
the
term
of
years
for
the
franchise
providing
for
franchise
fee,
providing
for
an
effective
date.
H
A
Any
questions
for
jeff
anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
Now
close
the
public
hearing
look
for
motion
approval
resolution
number
2021-11.
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
becker
second
by
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye,
all
opposed
motion
carries
an
embassy
next
up
resolution
2021-12,
oh,
I
didn't
say.
A
D
L
A
L
S
As
you
may
remember,
the
city
council
established
the
msbus
for
this
area
back
in
late
2020.
At
the
request
of
the
developer,
in
accordance
with
state
statute.
In
keeping
with
the
statute,
the
council
must
now
establish
the
assessment
rate,
which
will
appear
on
the
property
owner's
trim
notice.
In
accordance
with
state
statute.
A
notice
of
the
public
hearing
was
advertised
in
the
local
newspaper
and
the
property
owners
were
sent
notice
by
first
class
mail.
S
The
rate
for
the
avion
point
for
council
approval
is
356
dollars
per
year.
This
particular
development
is
a
lease
to
own
development,
which
means
that
the
property
is
going
to
be
owned
by
one
individual
property
management
company,
so
those
fees
will
most
likely
appear
within
the
rental
fees
that
are
charged
to
the
individual
property
renters.
A
J
A
C
S
C
A
C
S
This
is
for
the
development
of
the
oaks
at
kelley
park.
Phase
one
and
phase
two
community
development
is
actually
has
a
phase
three
that
will
be
coming
before
you
all
at
a
future
date,
so
we'll
have
to
re-evaluate
this
particular
one,
but
at
the
current
property
count
out
there,
the
proposed
rate
is
126
dollars.
They
were
notified
by
mail
as
well
as
advertised
in
the
local
newspaper.
A
L
C
T
Resolution
number
2021-17,
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida,
adopting
a
noun
ad
valorem
tax
assessment
role
for
the
oak
point.
North
development
subdivision
providing
direction
to
the
finance
director
for
certification
and
transmission
of
the
assessment
role
to
the
orange
county
tax
collector
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
S
A
D
S
This
is
for
the
residents
of
emerson
park,
the
property
owner,
which
is
currently
the
developer,
has
been
notified
by
first
class
mail
as
well
as
an
advertisement
was
run
in
the
local
newspaper.
This
is
a
townhouse
community
and
the
proposed
rate
per
parcel
in
the
townhouse
community
will
be
71
per
parcel.
F
A
Any
questions
for
mr
maverick
anybody
from
public
wish
speaking
on
this
matter,
not
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
motion
to
approve
resolution
2021-18,
so
I've
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
becker.
Okay,
I'm
saying,
commissioner
smith.
All
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye
opposed
motion
carries
anonymously.
G
Next
up
mayor,
I
have
a
can.
I
have
a
question
real
quick,
so
I
just
want
to
because
this
has
been
a
long
process
to
get
to
this
point
because
it
takes
a
while
to
get
to
this.
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
this
these
street
light
assessments
will
be
in
a
special
fund,
so
you
will
see
they
will
be
their
own
fund.
They
will
have,
they
will
have
a
fund
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
each
benefit
unit
is
paying
their
their
cost.
It'll
also
be
very
transparent.
G
Is
the
dollar
that
they're
paying
it's
going
only
there,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
want
to
make
clear
is
we
are
going
to
put
a
site
on
a
page
on
our
website
that
has
this
breakdown
so
for
each
assessment,
so
we'll
it'll
be
an
assessment
tab
that
we're
kind
of
looking
at
on
our
website,
so
that
the
the
homeowner
for
those
areas
could
go
in
and
look
to
see
exactly
what
their
costs
are.
Since
this
is
an
assessment.
This
is
not.
You
know,
like
these
revenues
can
only
be
spent
on
this
purpose.
E
Vladimir
ortega,
finance
director
for
the
city
of
apopka
resolution
2021-19
this
budget
amendment
includes
changes
in
funding
and
appropriations
related
to
the
florida
recreation
development
and
system
program
grant
for
the
recreation
department.
This
grant
was
accepted
during
the
september
9
2020
city
council
meeting
for
the
new
construction
of
a
playground
and
renovations
to
the
surrounding
park
facilities.
A
A
D
F
J
Of
course,
we
had
tom
terry
at
the
event,
the
other
day
for
the
chamber.
That
was
really
enlightening.
I
think
there's
17
name
17
storms
that
they're
projecting
this
year
yay,
I'm
glad
that
we're
in
good
shape
with
reserves
to
be
able
to
handle
anything
comes
our
way,
and
but
it
was
just
a
great
meeting
and
of
course,
the
mayor's
prayer
breakfast
is
tomorrow,
really
looking
forward
to
that.
J
F
Okay,
I'm
so
sorry
I
have
this
tickle
all
of
a
sudden.
It
just
came
just
wanna
kind
of
you
know.
We
not
only
did
we
have
the
breakfast
and
learned
with
tom
terry,
which
was
interesting
preparing
us
for
the
hurricane
we
had
the
saturday
night
sounds
again
because
I've
been
going
to
them
every
saturday.
We
had
a
good
turnout.
It
was
a
great
band,
we're
almost
coming
to
the
end
of
it.
So
I
just
want
our
residents
to
know
that
they
just
have.
F
I
think,
what
three
more
saturdays,
three
more
saturdays
and
please
come
out
and
support
him.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
great
event
for
our
community
and
I'll
just
hold
off
until
the
mayor's
report,
when
he
talks
about
some
of
the
meetings
that
we've
that
I've
attended
regarding
the
rock
springs
ridge
update
and
the
northwest
recreation
meeting
update
so
I'll
hold
off
until
you
present
your
all.
G
Edward
thank
you
mayor,
commissioners,
before
you
this
afternoon,
you
have
the
financial
update.
We've
completed
another
month,
come
to
another
month,
we're
seven
months
into
our
fiscal
year
with
collections
as
they
relate
to
sales
tax.
As
you
can
see
that
the
april
number
keep
in
mind.
The
april
number
is
february
collections,
so
we're
always
a
couple
months
behind
when
we
get
based
on
the
collections.
But
you
can
see
we
when
you
do
the
comparison
between
last
year,
and
this
year
we
went.
G
We
were
27
last
month,
we're
19
this
month
a
little
bit
of
a
pause.
That's
a
little
positive
news
again.
The
month-to-month
number
is
not
so
critical
as
the
overall
number
which,
as
you
can
see
from
on
the
the
overall
number,
when
you
kind
of
kind
of
normalize
the
revenue,
if
you
will
we're
still
about
878,
000
or
876
thousand
dollars,
or
almost
nine
percent
lower
than
what
we've
actually
what
we,
what
the
state
told
us
that
we
would
collect.
So
keep
that
in
mind
as
you
go
and
grant.
We
still
have.
G
You
know
five
months
to
go
and
as
you
as
the
comparisons
come
up
for
each
month,
we're
going
to
start
seeing
you
know
where
we've
got
the
hit
last
year,
so
this
next
revenue
that
we
got
that
we
get
in
may,
which
will
be
absolutely
actually
marches
collections,
we'll
get
to
kind
of
conceit.
We're
going
to
kind
of
see
the
comparison
between
where
we
were
last
march
versus
this
march,
which
kind
of
can
be
some
interesting
information
as
well.
G
But
keep
that
in
mind
you
know,
as
we
continue
to
watch
these
rev
watch
this
revenue,
and
then
I
just
have
a
few
more
things
that
I
want
to
mention
to
you,
the
and
you
and
you've
probably
seen
it
had
a
an
issue.
Come
up
at
kitland
nelson
park,
the
bathrooms
we've
had
bats
taken
over
take
over
the
some
of
the
roof
in
there,
some
of
the
attic
or
whatever,
and
so
we've
jumped
on
that
real
quick.
G
We
found
it
joe
and
his
crew
found
it,
and
so
we've
had
to
close
that
we're
hoping
to
you
know,
while
they
do
the
repair
get
the
bats
out
of
there
do
the
repair.
So
we're
trying
to
get
all
that
cleaned
up
and
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
We're
hoping
that
before
by
june
1st,
that
we'll
have
all
that
cleaned
up
and
ready
to
go
so.
G
G
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
is
the
chiller
has
finally
looks
like
the
chiller
is
going
to
be
coming.
The
chiller
will
be
here
next
weekend.
They
will
be
installing
the
new
chiller
on
city
hall
been
a
long
time
coming.
I
know,
but
finally
had
to
be
ordered,
because
it's
such
a
big
piece
or
whatever,
and
so
that
should
be,
we
should
have
getting
having
that
installed
next
weekend.
So
hopefully
we'll
have
all
that
up
and
tweaked
and
everything
before
summer
gets
here,
because
we
don't
the
last
thing.
G
G
We'll
know
what
we
can
do
with
those
dollars
when
we'll
get
the
dollars,
maybe
and
and
it'll,
be
good
to
have
all
that
as
we
move
through
the
the
up-and-coming
budget
process,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
those
are
I've
heard
some
stories
and
you
probably
have
too
that
people
have
already
figured
out
how
to
use
it,
how
to
spend
it.
There's
been
no
guidance
and
no
direction.
The
u.s
trade,
the
florida
league
of
city
says
the
direction
will
come
from
the
u.s
treasury
on
how
it
can
be
spent.
G
So
hopefully
we'll
know
next
week
on
that
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
have
is
I've
been
talking
with
a
county
and
the
county
has,
as
you
know,
because
you
guys,
I
think,
have
been
receiving
some
emails
about
the
retail
pet
store.
Oh
my
issue
that
they've
got
going
on.
So
what
what
they're
going
to
do
the
county
on
may?
The
11th
is
going
to
hear
kind
of
a
workshop.
G
If
you
will
they've
got
a
couple
ordinances,
one
that
completely
bans
puppy
mills
as
they
call
it
or
retail
sales
and
one
that
kind
of
grandfathers
in
the
existing
ones,
but
doesn't
allow
any
future
ones
again.
It's
just
a
workshop
they're
hearing
or
that
they're
going
to
hear.
I
heard
they're
not
really
they're
not
going
to
take
up
an
ordinance
until
a
future
meeting
based
on
those
those
meetings.
But
one
of
the
interesting
things
is,
and
then
I
kind
of
want
to
kind
of
get
your
your
feelings
is
they're.
G
Talking
about,
if
they
do,
they
apply
this
ordinance
that
they're
going
to
play
this
ordinance
county-wide
so
that
you
know,
as
you
know,
they
are,
they
have
animal
services
kind
of
like
they
want
to
put
under
the
umbrella
of
their
animal
services.
If
they
do
it,
they
regulate
animal
services,
so
they
would,
you
know,
would
send
that
down
and
regulate
this
retail
pet
stores.
I
want
to
try
to
give
you
all
the
information
I
have.
We
have
one
currently
in
the
city
limits
that
is,
that
would
could
be
affected.
G
They
are
the
one
and
I'm
sure
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
them
or
not,
but
they
are
the
one
that
is
called
it's
our
pet
world
on
cimarron
and
cimarron
commerce.
If
you
will,
you
know,
I'm
sure
you
kind
of
know
where
that's
at
they're
by
the
across
from
the
race
track
right
there.
So
that's
the
only
one
that
they're
showing
in
our
city
limits,
there's
been
three
three
cities:
belle
isle,
edgewood
and
winter
park
have
all
they
have
no
issues
there.
G
They
have
responded
back
to
the
county
and
they're
okay
with
letting
the
county
you
know,
regulate
it
going
forward
if
that's
their
wishes.
So
I
think
that's
all
the
information
I
had.
I
wanted
to
give
you
that
information.
So
you
have
that
to
see
if
there
are
any
concerns
or
issues,
but
I
want
you
to
have
all
of
that
as
they
work
through
their
work
session
on
may
the
11.
I've
lent.
K
K
I
think
if
they
grandfather
in
some
of
these
establishments,
it
creates
an
unintended
consequence,
because
you
could
you
have
a
business
that
has
now
a
green
light
to
do
what
they
want
to
with
those
puppy
sales
and
talking
with
the
humane
society
of
you
know
those
members
that
had
contacted
me
only
four
percent
of
puppy
sales
come
by
way
of
these
retail
establishments
anyhow
and
those
that
have
gone
away
from
that
model
can
still
run
a
reputable
business
by
selling.
You
know
supplies
food
things
like
that,
so
you
know.
G
All
right
anything
else,
edward,
I
think
nope
that's
well
only
I
will
mention
real
quick
budget
time
is
appropriate
as
a
is
approaching,
and
so
I've
met
with
a
couple
of
you.
I've
got
a
couple
more
to
get
with
to
set
the
dates,
so
I
will
have
the
dates.
We'll
have
the
dates
by
the
next
meeting
to
be
able
to
announce
the
workshop
dates
and
the
public
hearing
dates
for
the
fiscal
year.
22
budget
workshop
and
public
hearings.
F
G
C
G
Then
they
will
sit
down
with
me
and
mayor
from
the
administrative
standpoint
as
step
one
as
we
put
everything
into
the
budget
because
they
prepare
theirs
by
them
individually.
We
put
them
into
the
overall
budget
so
that
we
have
all
the
information
and
then,
on
june,
1st
is
when
we
get
the
estimated
or
when
we
get
the
property
tax
number.
G
G
They
are
part
of
that
meeting.
Okay,
the
finance
department-
they
have
their
own
budget,
but
they
will
be
part
of
that
meeting
as
well.
Usually
when
we
meet
we
and
and
what
we've
done
is
is
in
the
departments
where
we
have
overlap.
We
try
to
include
people,
someone
in
that
as
well.
For
example,
facilities
facilities
touches
several
other
departments.
G
We
try
to
make
sure
that
when
we
meet
that
we
have
who's
doing
the
responsibility,
so
we
don't
have
budget
in
both
areas
for
the
same
item,
so
those
kind
of
people-
those
that's
how
we
do
it
when
they'll
be
at
the
table.
Anybody
that's
affected
by
that
will
be
what
will
be
in
those
meetings.
Is
it
possible.
K
C
D
G
A
G
L
Q
C
A
Thank
you,
michael
all,
right
last
but
not
least,
a
couple
things:
that's
the
rock
springs
ridge
report.
I
guess
everybody
got
the
the
minutes,
which
goes
over
a
lot
of
what
we
we
we
talked
about
at
the
community
meeting
out
at
the
the
amphitheater
gosh.
I
would
say
we
probably
had
400
450,
so
it's
a
great
crowd,
great
turnout,
a
lot
of
great
questions
asked
I
will
let
you
know
that
we're
meeting.
A
I
know
susan
and
victoria
are
going
down
tomorrow
to
meet
with
bill
cowells,
because
we're
looking
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we
do
get
the
vote
for
the
the
residents,
and
so
it's
a
there's
a
lot
of
mixed
information
in
the
statutes
and
one
things
I
asked
bill
calls
and
his
team
to
try
to
help
us
is
clean
it
up,
because
they're
different,
there's
different
ways.
People
can
vote
and,
and
they
need
to
be
a
lot
more
clear
than
they
are.
But
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
bill
cal's
office.
A
We
should
have
a
price
tomorrow
on
what
he
thinks
it
would
cost
to
do.
An
election
for
us
based
on
1320
homes,
which
include
postage
and
everything
because
we'd
I'd
rather
him
do
that
you
know
so
we
in
the
end,
so
there's
no,
no
doubt
about
the
integrity
of
the
election
as
to
you
know
what
we
want
to
do
so
what
we.
What
we
need
to
do
is
in
the
next
couple
weeks
a
lot
of
the
questions.
A
You've
got
we'll
need
to
rogers,
we'll
need
to
put
together
and
and
put
those
out,
because
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
a
you
know:
we'll
bring
it
to
city
council
and
at
that
point
then
we'll
have
bill,
calls
put
together
the
election
for
us.
Those
questions
we'll
need
to
try
to
get
those
answered
between
now
and
and
that
time.
So
I
think
by
the
next
commission
meeting.
We
should
be
able
to
try
to
answer
most
of
those
questions
as
far
as
who's
paying.
A
You
know,
and
you
know
we
can
let
the
chips
fall
where
they
may.
That's
just
so.
That's
obviously,
and
I've
I've
really
got
no
dog
in
that
hunt.
So
it's
it's
up
to
the
to
the
the
folks
that
live
in
rock
springs
ridge.
Is
it
worth
gambling
he'll
take
1.8
or
2.2
or
whatever
the
number
is,
and
I'm
completely
fine
with
whatever
y'all
you
know,
whatever
y'all
decide,
so
that's
that
will
be
for
for
the
rock
springs.
A
A
That's
that's
only
about
about
three
years
young,
so
they've
got
some
as
far
as
how
they
set
it
up
and
then
how
it's
been
running
a
recreational
district,
but
it
looks
like
we'll
have
some
more
information
from
a
bank
that,
if
you
didn't
want
to
go
the
recreational
district
route
that
you
could
the
hoa
could
borrow
the
money.
You
don't
need
to
go
to
recreational
district
and
there's
pros
and
cons
to
that.
I
think
the
the
the
proto-recreational
district
recreational
district.
It's
a
lot
more
structured,
it's
it's!
A
A
A
F
I
think
what
most
of
the
rock
springs
ridge
residents
that
have
reached
out
to
me
have
been
that
they
don't
have
anything
showing
what
it
would
cost.
I
mean
we
know
what
the
land
is
costing
us
and
I
do
talk
us
because
I
am
a
rock
springs
ridge
resident,
but
right
after
that
meeting,
I
I
did
get
some
phone
calls
and
and
actually
now,
when
I
walk
out
of
the
house
and
anybody-
that's
traveling
sees
me,
they
stop
and
they
share
their
concerns
and
their
concern
is
you
know
the
cleanup.
F
F
A
Well,
I
mean,
and
we
can
I
can,
I
can
sure,
reach
out
to
de
la
roos.
I
know
michael's
been
talking
with
their
attorney.
We
can
find
out
what
they've
been
spending
on
on
maintenance.
Obviously,
there's
not
been
a
lot,
that's
for
sure,
but
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
they
said,
that
the
tavern
said
that
basically,
the
the
rent
that
they're
paying
according
to
them
has
paid
for
the
maintenance
of
the
property.
Now
is
it
to
your
standards,
probably
not,
but
that
that
was
that
was
mentioned
at
the
community
meeting
last
week.
F
A
Well,
I
think
that
will
be.
I
mean
that
will
be
for
you
to
decide.
I
mean,
depending
on
what
you
do
with
it.
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
obviously
put
a
golf
course
in
it,
it's
one
set
of
numbers.
If
you
leave
it
very,
very
primitive,
it's
a
lesser
number,
the
the
least
amount
and
then,
if
it's
somewhere
in
between,
where
you've
got
walking
pass
and
all
that
that
would
be
a
number
somewhere
in
the
middle.
So
I
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
get
in
the
weeds.
Would
you
say,
michael?
A
Q
Think
those
are
figures
that,
if
there's
any
potential
either
the
hoa
wanting
a
desire
to
take
over
the
course
or
recreational
district
to
get
together
to
then
kind
of
advise
themselves.
What
is
it
what's
their
course
of
action?
I
think
this
is
a
this
is
kind
of
an
obligation
or
an
illness
that
falls
on
the
residents
to
determine
what's
their
their
course
of
action.
Q
A
F
A
C
F
Have
and
and
the
other
questions
I
mean,
I
have
slew,
but
I
see
that
he's
he's
moving
forward,
we're
going
to
bill
kyle's
office,
but
we
haven't
had
an
assessment
of
the
property
or
an
environmental
st.
You
know,
assessment
of
it
I
mean
there's.
What's
the
process,
I
mean
we're
just
gonna
present
to
our
residents:
do
you
want
it
or
not,
want
it,
and
and
then
we
worry
about
you,
know
the
possible
problems
or
the
the
challenges
that
we're
going
to
have
once
we
have
it.
Q
I
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
kind
of
compar
compartmentalize.
What
are
the
things
that
need
to
be
done
in
order
to
effectuate
a
land?
Swap
I
mean
our
discussions
with
the
supervisor
of
elections
are
both
kind
of
two-fold
based
on
either
a
how
if
an
election
is
going
to
be
held
in
order
for
them
to
even
approve
the
creation
of
a
recreation
district.
The
way
the
statute
is
written,
there's
two
options
for
the
creation
of
the
district.
One
is
that
the
residents
and
the
statute
in
this
language
is
clear.
Q
It's
the
residents
within
the
proposed
district
vote
on
an
ordinance,
so
it
basically
becomes
like
a
ballot
question
right
and
you're
here
by
hereby
you're
voting
on
the
ordinance
whether
to
pass
or
decline
this
ordinance
to
create
the
recreational
district.
The
other
option
which
is
outside
of
an
election,
is
that
the
majority
of
the
residents
within
the
proposed
district
sign
a
petition
and
present
that
petition
to
the
city
council.
Q
At
that
point,
with
a
majority
of
the
residents
petitioning
for
the
creation
of
a
district,
then
this
council
will
will
prepare
and
pass
the
ordinance
creating
the
district.
Now
you
hit
phase
two,
which
the
district
has
two
forms
of
governance.
Either
a
the
city
council
governs
the
recreation
district
or
b
a
su.
A
board
of
supervisors
is
created
to
administer
and
govern
the
district
in
order
for
there
to
be
a
proper
election
of
a
board
of
supervisors
that
will
that
is
either.
Q
That
is
to
be
then
determined
by
the
ordinance
which
acts
as
the
charter
for
the
district
either
the
residents.
The
majority
of
the
residents
vote
for
the
board
of
well
the
board
of
supervisors.
The
eligible
voters
are
either
the
residents
within
the
district
or
the
property
owners
within
the
district,
but
that's
then
determined
by
the
language
in
in
its
in
its
charter,
part
of
the
ordinance
administering
that
election
could
then
be
done
by
the
supervisor
elections,
and
it
would
just
become
another
question
on
your
ballot
when
you're
voting.
Q
When
you
go
to
vote
for
city
council
county
commissioner,
any
other
ballon
issues,
they're
gonna,
there's
going
to
be,
then
a
line
there
for
board
of
supervisors
for
the
rock
springs
ridge,
recreational
district
and
if
the,
if
it's
administered
by
the
supervisor
of
elections,
there's
certain
costs
or
certain
benefits
by
elections
being
handled
by
the
supervisor
elections
as
opposed
to
a
property
manager.
Who
would
create
another
category
for
elections
within
the
within
the
homeowners
association?
Q
But
once
you
create
a
district
you're
going
to
create
a
separation
between
a
homeowners
association
governed
by
chapter
720
of
florida
statutes
and
a
recreation
district
which
is
covered,
which
is
governed
by
by
chapter
418.
Florida
statutes.
Also,
it's
important
to
know
a
recreation
district
is
subject
to
the
florida
sunshine
laws
and
the
public
records
laws.
Homeowners
associations
under
chapter
20
are
not.
Q
The
city
will
be
involved
in
trying
to
get
a
cost
for
whatever,
whether
it's,
the
hoa
or
the
board
or
or
the
recreation
district
to
acquire
the
land
once
they
acquire
title
then
it
becomes.
The
onus
is
on
either
the
hoa
or
the
or
the
district.
Whoever,
whatever
legal
entity
is
created
to
manage
the
property,
then
it's
on
them.
It's
they're
budgeting
it
they
determine,
they
can
go
out
and
get
their
bids
figure
out.
What's
what
their
costs
are,
but
it
becomes
a
matter
for
them,
not
a
matter
for
the
city.
It's.
Q
Q
Q
Q
The
developer
would
have
the
option
of
coming
in
and
doing
a
plat
to
create
the
17
lots.
Those
lots
can
be
shaped,
however.
He
wants
because
there's
17
lots.
He
has
300
acres.
He
can,
in
theory,
come
up
with
one
acre:
lots,
half
acre
lots
or
maximize
the
size
of
the
lot
and
build
houses
on
huge
lots,
17,
and
that
would
come
in
as
a
pla.
Q
A
subdivision
basically
be
creating
a
subdivision
within
your
subdivision
and
matching
the
number
of
lots
that
he
would
be
entitled
to
under
the
development
agreement,
which
is
seven
which,
by
our
calculations,
is
17..
That
would
that
can
probably
be
done
without
a
zoning
change
and
without
a
land
use
amendment.
Q
F
Q
No
legally,
based
on
your
declarations,
because
the
golf
course
is
currently
not
dec
is
not
association.
I
don't
think
the
golf
course
gets
assessed
association
assessments.
Therefore,
those
17
lots
would
not
become
a
member
of
your
association
unless
they
were
to
petition
to
become,
but
then
that's
outside,
of
the
purview
of
the
city.
That
is
a
private
matter
between
the
developer
and
the
hoa
okay.
B
Q
The
residents
themselves
can
organize
a
petition,
drive,
prepare
a
petition
and
if
a
majority
of
the
residents
within
the
proposed
boundaries
of
the
of
the
district
and
the
district's
boundaries
are
going
to
coincide
with
the
boundaries
of
the
planned
development
agreement.
If
a
majority
of
the
residents
and
and
by
residents
of
those
people
that
reside
within
the
boundaries
present
to
the
city,
a
petition
asking
to
create
a
recreational
district,
then
that
process
has
begun.
B
K
Place
even
even
to
get
to
the
petition-
let's
just
start
from
scratch
here,
if
you're
saying
that
there
could
be
a
petition
drive
to
say
hey,
I
just
need
to
have
the
majority
of
my
ownership
in
my
neighborhood
to
create
this
district.
If,
if,
if
you're
saying
that's
the
most
basic
way
to
do
it,
how
are
how
is
this
city
equipping
it
kind
of
goes
to
rogers
point?
How
is
the
city
educating
those
people
on
how
to
put
ink
on
paper,
meaning
yeah?
The
2.5
number
is
out
there,
but
what
are
the?
What?
K
Q
Think
that's
going
to
have
to
probably
fall.
I
mean
I
would
advise
that
that's
going
to
fall
on
the
rock
springs
ridge
residents
to
take
the
lead
in
in
order
to
determine.
I
know
that
about
a
year
ago,
this
board
voted
on
creating
an
advisory
for
aerial
estates,
an
advisory
committee
that
would
take
a
look
into
if
a
recreation
district
is
created.
Q
Then,
what's
it
going
to
entail?
What
is
the
responsibilities
of
this
district?
Are
we
going
to
acquire
property?
Are
we
simply
going
to
maintain
what
we
have?
Are
we
going
to
improve,
but
that
onus
is
going
to
follow
the
residents
if
we,
if,
if,
if
there's
a
quorum
of
residents
or
a
group
of
residents,
that
just
do
not
want
to
get
involved
in
this?
At
this
point,
then,
then,
at
this
point
the
city-
they
don't
want
the
city
to
get
involved.
There's
there's
not
a
consensus
for
resident
ownership
or
acquisition
of
the
golf
course.
Q
Then
we're
back
to
square
one.
As
as
far
as
the
city
is
concerned,
we
would
have
to
review
any
application
that
that
the
property
owner
in
this
case
de
la
russo
would
submit
to
us
just
like
any
other
property
owner
or
any
other
developer
in
the
city.
It's
on
us
to
review
it
and,
depending
on
what
the
the
contents
of
the
application
are,
whether
it
meets
the
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
is
consistent
with
our
land
development
code.
Q
But
if,
if
there
is
no
action
or
any
any
onus
on
the
part
of
the
residence
for
action
one
way
or
another,
then
I
mean
it's.
I
would
advise
the
the
city
if,
if
one
party
doesn't
want
to
be
part
of
the
negotiations
and
there's
really
no
point
in
there
being
one-way
negotiations
here
or
us
negotiating
with
ourselves
yeah
I
mean.
A
The
next
60
days,
okay,
today
to
everybody's
point:
listen!
This
is
not
the
kind
of
deal
I
would
have
made.
I
would
rather
have
just
rock
springs
ridge
residents
figure
out
a
price
with
de
la
russo
kept
us
out
of
this
thing
because
you
know,
obviously
it's
not
the
way.
I
want
it
and
I
kept
saying
why
do
you
not
just
want
cash?
I
mean
whatever
that
cash
number
is
yeah.
Why
don't
you
just
go
to
rock
springs,
ready
to
say
what
what
you,
what
you'd
accept?
A
B
B
It's
been
said
that
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
golf
course
appraised
at
that
we
should
get
a
bond
for
the
2.4
million
dollars,
regardless
of
what
the
golf
course
was
appraised
at.
Is
that
a
fight?
And
then,
if
we
choose
not
to
do
the
bond
and
do
a
traditional
bank
loan,
where
the
bank
loan
us
2.4
million
dollars
for
a
golf
course,
it's
only
worth
1.2
million
dollars.
Yes,.
A
Yeah
it
will
yes,
okay,
I
mean
I
talked
to
the
and
I've
got
a
meeting
with
her
next
week.
I
talked
with
a
banker,
came
to
you
with
the
name
of
the
bank,
but
anyway
she's
I'll
I'll
meet
me
with
her
next
week.
She
said
as
long
as
they've
got
some
things
they
have
to
put
into
your
hoa
bylaws
that
that
gives
her
the
comfort
to
bail
to
loan
the
money
I
said
so.
Does
it
ask
that
question
so
does
it
matter?
A
B
A
B
Okay,
so
my
third
question,
then,
is:
yes:
we
entered
the
into
this
agreement.
It's
going
to
take
us
two
years
to
get
the
recreational
district
or
to
find
the
loan
to
pay
pay
the
2.4
billion
dollars
in
the
meantime,
we're
paying
the
city
6
dollars
a
month
lease
right.
What
percentage
of
that
lease
goes
towards
the
principal.
A
I'm
just
we
kind
of
just
got
that
number
out
there
I
mean
I
was
just
I
was
taking.
If,
if
you
took
three
percent
of
the
2.4,
that's
what
6
000
a
month
comes
out
to
so
it
wasn't.
I
I
mean
this
is
back
the
napkin
kind
of
things
to
bring
to
you.
You
know,
as
a
is
a
I
mean,
rock
springs.
Ridge
is
obviously
an
important
community,
but
but
I
have
to
look
out
for
the
city-
I
mean
the
city,
you
know,
if
could
the
city
get
three
percent
of
its
money?
A
Maybe
maybe
not?
Can
you
get
a
loan?
For
you
know
the
numbers
I
put
in
those
in
those
the
documents
for
last
week
was
three
and
a
half
percent
loan.
So
I
you
know
all
of
that's
kind
of
I
won't
say
negotiable,
but
you
know
whatever
the
market
will
bear
on
not
only
the
loan
or
or
the
bond,
but
on
the
you
know,
whatever
we
could
get.
Probably
can't
get.
A
F
And
so
one
of
the
things
that
is
is
of
concern
is
that
I
know
that
they
have
requested
some
records
or
minutes
of
all
these
meetings
and
that's
been
a
concern
because
you
know
we
well,
I'm
say
we,
but
I
keep
hearing.
Oh
the
mayor
had
a
meeting
with
the
hoa
board
and
the
attorneys
and
some
of
the
residents
of
a
group
of
residents,
and
they
say:
do
you
know
what
that
meeting
was
about?
Do
you
know
if
there's
minutes?
So
that's
another
concern.
A
A
A
A
Come
together
with
some
numbers,
as
far
as
you
know,
the
the
maintenance
as
it
currently
stands,
you
know
whatever.
So
I'm
I'm
thinking
the
next
two
to
four
weeks,
we'll
have
another
meeting
based
on
some
of
the
things
that
we
we
get.
We
learn
from
bill
cal's
office,
so
be
happy
to
have
another
meeting
which
which
obviously
we'd
sunshine
it
make
sure
that
you
know
all
the
commissioners
are
invited.
F
A
Okay,
next
up
can't
we
no
updates,
but
it's
interesting.
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
the
in
the
paper,
I
guess
a
couple
days
ago,
there's
a
there's,
a
lawsuit.
You
know
the
county
passed
an
ordinance
last
year
that
gives
water
bodies
and
and
animals
some,
I
won't
say,
voting
rights,
but
gives
them
the
ability
to
to
sue
on
their
behalf.
And
so
there
was
a
there
was
a
piece
of
property
that
was
just
that
now.
A
Somebody
has
filed
suit
against
the
the
developer,
because
the
property
has
got
some
wetlands
on
it.
So
it
was
interesting
that
that
is
now
coming
forward
that
these
these
rights
are
are
being
challenged
in
court
as
to
the
northwest
rec
community
meeting,
let's
see
here,
I've
got
the
numbers
for
you
tier
one
for
things
that
people
want
northwest,
and
this
goes
to
the
14th.
A
What
what
we're
talking
about
doing
is
one
at
the
top
of
the
hill,
which
would
also
kind
of
help
there's
some
a
lot
of
these
small
soccer
fields
up
there,
so
they
could.
They
could
use
it
as
well
as
anybody
going
to
the
concert
one
would
be
on
the
lower
if
you're
looking
at
the
concert
at
the
stage,
it'd
be
lower
left,
so
people
have
a
much
closer
access
to
a
bathroom.
So.
A
J
A
Basketball
pickleball,
all
that
was
in
the
third
third
third
tier
so
and
then
on
the
on
the
on
the
fields.
The
smaller
fields
had
a
higher
priority.
So
more,
they
wanted
more
little
leagues
or
softball
fields
versus
a
high
school.
You
know
distance
kind
of
a
field
so
interesting.
We
got
a
couple
more
days.
I
know
everybody
got
a
chance.
A
If
you
haven't
got
the
map
out
front,
we
had
it
didn't,
have
a
great
turnout,
probably
30
or
40
people
came
out
saturday
to
put
pins
in
the
the
the
northwest
wreck
map,
but
for
anybody's
out
there.
If
you
want
to
come
in
and
put
a
pin
and
the
pins
are
for
where
you
think
these
amenities
should
go
so
we've
got
about
seven
or
eight
different
pieces
of
property
around
the
park
that
we
can
do
additional
things
with.