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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting September 20, 2023
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on September 20, 2023 at 7 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: https://www.apopka.gov/agenda
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A
B
Sir
Our
Father
we're
thankful
once
again
for
your
blessings
that
you
continue
to
bestow
upon
us
for
this
opportunity
to
serve
this
city.
We
ask
you
father,
you
continue
to
lead,
guide
and
direct
us
that
all
that
we
should
say
and
do
be,
pleasing
and
acceptable
in
your
sight
that
all
we
do
will
be
for
the
benefit
of
the
citizens
in
which
we
serve
these
blessings.
We
ask
in
the
name
of
Jesus,
amen,.
C
B
B
To
with
it,
so
it
comes
as
no
surprise
that
there's
a
national
pepperoni
pizza
day
pepperoni
takes
his
name
from
pepperoni,
with
one
p,
an
Italian
name
for
pepper
in
it
in
Italy.
What
Americans
call
pepperoni
is
known
as
spicy
salami
pepperoni
is
a
dried
sausage
made
of
a
mixture
of
pork,
beef
and
spices,
including
Peppers.
The
name
pepperoni
became
began
being
used
following
World
War
I,
primarily
in.
B
H
A
L
Winner,
all
right
good
evening,
mayor
Nelson,
Commissioners,
City
staff
and
residents
of
apaka,
my
name
is
Steven
crib
I'm
special
project
specialist
here
for
the
city
of
apaka.
One
of
the
special
projects
that
has
been
requested
of
me
is
the
privilege
to
lead
the
apaka
youth
Council
for
the
2023
2024
school
year.
During
this
school
year.
The
youth
Council
will
be
encouraged
to
serve
the
Comm
community
of
apaka
through
service
projects.
They
plan
and
participate
in
youth
will
engage
their
local
government
to
see
how
they
can
impact
change.
L
Finally,
ayc
members
will
grow
and
develop
their
leadership
skills.
I
am
here
to
present
the
2023
2024
aapka
youth
Council.
These
students
were
selected
based
on
their
demonstration
of
leadership,
heart
for
serving
their
communities
and
passion
for
local
government.
This
year's
youth
Council
includes
students
of
both
public
and
private
academic
backgrounds.
M
Themselves,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Olivia
young
I'm,
17
and
I
go
to
a
poka
high
school
as
as
a
senior
this
year
with
the
Apopka
youth
Council
I,
look
forward
to
learning
about
the
city
through
working
alongside
our
leaders.
You
guys
and
I
also
look
forward
to
expanding
my
network
for
youth
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
There
you
go.
N
O
L
P
L
L
In
that
way
as
part
of
Hispanic
heritage
celebration,
we
did
have
an
art
contest
where
we
asked
students
in
the
area
K
through
12,
not
K
through
12,
goodness
K
through
fifth
grade
kindergarten
through
fifth
grade
to
to
participate
and
submit
a
drawing,
and
we
actually
have
the
winner
of
the
art
contest
here
tonight.
If
I
can
call
up
Hector
Selen.
L
Q
A
D
L
I
So
at
this
time,
members
of
the
council
will
be
meeting
in
a
closed
collective
bargaining
executive
session.
Pursuant
to
section
44165
PR
1
P,
Florida
Statutes,
the
city
council
will
hold
a
collective
bargaining
executive
session
to
discuss
collective
bargaining
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
popka
firefighters,
Association,
local
5293,
International
Association
of
firefighters
in
attendance
will
be
mayor,
Brian
nestum,
commissioner
Nick
Nesta,
commissioner
Alexander
Smith,
commissioner
Kyle
Becker,
commissioner
Diane
Velasquez
and
special
counsel,
Jeffrey
Mandel
closed
collective
bargaining
session
will
be
held
in
the
mayor's
conference
soon.
G
D
A
R
S
S
S
On
and
so
I'm
here
to
pick
it
up
today,
I
hope
it's
available.
I,
don't
think
Susan
has
it
yet.
In
2020,
January
20th
the
contract
was
signed
in
February.
The
satellite
image
at
Google
said
it
was
already
put
up.
That
was
pretty
quick
from
January
20th
to
February
Google,
finding
it
already
boxes
signal
boxes
already
up
and
then
in
May
9th
of
2022
Brian
are
finally
got
the
permission
to
put
it
up.
S
Finally,
and
that's
27
months
after
he
put
a
up
and
then
he
wrote
me
on
July
31st
saying
that
he
had
permission
prior
to
the
installation.
Now
the
installation
was
done
in
February
of
2020
and
he
didn't
get
permission
until
27
months
later,
and
then
he
was
censured
for
lying
3
days
after
he
told
me
that
he
had
had
the.
S
Documents
is
subject
to
suspension
and
removal
or
impeachment
and
a
definite
term
of
imprisonment
not
to
exceed
one
year
or
$1,000
fine
for
not
producing
those
documents.
The
person
who
has
and
is
and
doesn't
provide
me
with
an
opportunity
to
see
those
those
documents
and
to
take
a
picture
or
provide
me
with
copies
of
those
documents
and
that's
the
person
who
possesses
and
is
in
control
of
those.
S
Documents
now
this
snapshot
was
provided
to
Susan,
and
this
is
where
I
said.
We
were
$20,000
missing
money
unrealized
over
2
years,
25%
exact
ly,
75%
disappeared
in
2022,
20,000
of
it
disappeared,
totally,
5,000
is
somewhere,
but
what
I
asked
for
was
a
document
explaining
where
all
of
it
went,
5,000
went
somewhere,
but
I
don't
have
where
it
went.
This
is
received
receivables,
but
I
don't
have
expenditures.
Now
the
law
said
that
you'll
have
to
spend
it
on
Transportation
purposes,
all
of
it.
Now.
S
What
we
do
is
we
have
to
now
send
dollar
for
dooll
that
money
back
to
the
Federal
Highway
Administration,
that
money
has
to
go
back
to
them
and
we
were
supposed
to
be
sending
them
every
six
months
from
2020
June,
20,
June,
June,
30th
or
July
1
of
2020.
We
were
supposed
to
every
6
months,
be
sending
them
a
report
and
that's
what
I
expected
to
be
receiving
was
those
six
copies.
Five
copies
of
that
also
the
contract
itself
was
in
violation
and
we
were
playing
lawyer
roulette
at
the
time.
S
A
R
R
If,
as
I
believe,
the
number
is
as
low
as
it
is,
then
all
it
takes
is
for
someone
to
go
down
to
one
end
of
a
popka
fire
some
rounds
into
a
building
and
half
the
police
force.
That's
in
a
popcon
juty.
That
night
is
down
at
the
other
end
of
the
city.
So
currently
I
believe
we
have
about
60,000
residents
in
a
popka
I
believe
Chief
at
the
annexation
said
it
was
about
57
I'm,
allowing
for
a
little
bit
of
growth.
R
Statistics
say
that
the
national
average
per
capita
of
a
thousand
people
you
require
2.3
police
officers
per
thousand
people.
So
if
we
look
at
that
numbers,
we're
looking
at
approximately
240
to
200
sorry
140,
to
to
150
police
officers
for
a
popka
I
believe
we
currently
have
122
sworn
people
in
APD,
but
remember
the
the
people
that
we
are
speaking
about
also
do
code
enforcement
and
other
jobs
so
that
it's
my
belief
that
that
crime
in
a
popka
is
about
30%
above
the
national
average.
R
So
if
we
look
at
the
workload
of
a
a
police
officer,
we
would
have
to
say
that
we
would
require
30%
more
police
than
what
we
would
require.
So
if
you
take
30%
of
150
we're
actually
looking
at
possibly
requiring
200
police
officers
in
a
popka,
we
have
122,
you
guys
are
more
than
capable
of
working
out
the
percentage
of
how
little
we
are
today.
I
believe
we
ought
to
congratulate
the
chief
I
believe
there
was
some
progress
with
drug
related
offenses
in
a
popka
today.
R
The
unfortunate
bit
about
this
is
that
we
rarely
hear
about
them.
We
have
small
reports
in
a
popka
voice,
but
really
what
we
need
to
do
is
to
be
sending
a
message
to
the
people
who
are
trafficking:
drugs,
who
are
laundering
money
and
who
are
gun
running
in
the
evenings
in
the
pop
and
shooting
things
up.
If
we
don't
have
reports
and-
and
you
know,
I
realize
Chief,
mckin
and
I
respect
him-
he's
not
gry
Jud
he's
not
got
the
personal
GRE
each
J,
but
we
really
do
need
some
reports.
You
know.
R
Can
we
not
provide
an
officer
the
same
way
as
we
do
with
the
fire
chief
to
come
in
here
and
give
us
some
reports
to
give
us
some
good
news
about
taking
drugs
and
Firearms
off
the
street?
There's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
that
that
will
begin
to
to
to
get
better.
Once
we
take
drugs
off
the
street,
you
know
if
a
leadership
don't
send
out
a
message
that
crime
has
to
be
stopped
in
a
popka.
R
Then,
when
we
look
at
the
the
fact
that
we
need
a
forensic
audit
to
decide
whether
or
not
things
are
are
happening
out
of
place
in
this
Administration,
it's
a
sad
reflection
on
how
we
view
the
city
I
mean
I,
really
believe.
There's
been
significant
changes
because
of
our
commissioners
in
the
last
six
months,
but
we
really
do
need
to
have
a
look
at
a
forensic
audit
and
that
audit
must
Encompass
a
lot
lot
more
than
what
we're
currently
looking
at.
Thank.
F
You
Ace
woodam
47,
East,
mnia,
Street
of
Poa
Florida
I,
first
want
to
say,
I
hate
coming
up
here
and
doing
this
once
or
twice
a
month
month
and
I
overheard
one
of
the
leaders,
one
of
the
department
leads
talking
with
one
of
the
employees
the
other
day
at
a
convenience
store
if
I'm
not
mistak
us
where
it
was
at
that
we
are
just
now
closing
up
the
fire
alarm
system
at
K
wewa.
If
that's
so
and
I
hope.
It's
not
true.
I
hope
we
have
had
one
before
this.
F
That
means
our
mayor
opened
the
camp
up
to
the
public
and
put
hundreds
of
kids'
life
in
jeopardy.
Without
a
a
certified
fire
inspection
doing
being
done,
I
know,
there's
rotten
wood
there
and
I
know
that
he's
doing
a
great
job
trying
to
get
can't
we
W
fixed
up,
but
sometimes
we
jumped
the
gun
and
I
hope
that
I'm
wrong.
F
But
if
I'm
right,
he
escaped
that
by
the
skin
of
your
back
in
because
I'm
going
tell
you
now,
atin
Duran
life
should
not
ended
the
way
it
did,
because
you
were
advised
not
by
just
me
many
people,
you
appointed
a
fire
chief
that
not
dead
ready
to
do
that
job.
He
had
no
clue
what
he
was
doing.
A
young
man
lost
his
life
and
there's
still
no
closure.
17
months
later,
16
months
later,
there's
no
closure.
You
need
to
become
a
man
except
your
mistakes.
Everything
can't
be
handed
to
you
on
a
platter.
F
That's
all
I'm
asking
and
when
you
accept
that
mistake,
I
promise
you
I
won't
be
back
up
here
again,
but
you
most
of
your
department
heads
ride
on
your
shirt,
tail
Brian,
most
of
them
because
they're
scared
of
you.
If
you
don't
do
what
I
say,
you're
gone,
you
got
rid
of
all
the
seasoned
employees
at
the
fire
department.
These
are
kids,
have
y'all
looked
at
the
new
kid
people,
that's
com
to
your
house,
just
to
give
you
EMS
to
put
out
fires.
F
These
are
kids,
yes,
they
might
be
trained,
they
might
be
certified,
but
they
never
been
to
a
h
working
house
firing
for
their
life
and
you
look
down,
but
these
are
children,
they
might
be
23
years
old,
but
when
you
get
6768,
he
a
kid
still
and
citizens
of
a
pop
could
deserve
better
Sean
WM
needs
to
be
replaced
and
put
someone
in
there.
That
would
be
more
than
happy
to
stand
up
here
and
tell
you
no
that
ain't
what
I
want.
F
T
All
yes
good
evening,
I!
Remember
you
Brian!
Do
you
remember
me
Kyle,
oh
K,
kle,
kle
yeah.
Remember
we
got
the
right
glasses
on
got
the
right
glasses
on
yeah.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
We
came
a
couple
of
years
ago,
remember
Brian
for
punken
when
we
were
talking
about
the
park
and
they
were
going
to
charge
the
$6
to
play.
The
tennis.
Remember
that
the
the
r
schedule
for
the
tennis
correct
correct.
T
So
we
came
here
for
that
I
believe
what
two
or
three
years
ago,
but
this
incident
is
just
a
little
bit
different
from
there.
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
are
affiliated
with
the
company
Galaxy
tennis,
no
Affiliated,
we
not
affiliated
but
aware
yes
of
the
company,
Galaxy
tennis,
that's
running
a
tennis
program
at
the
park,
so
he
well
Galaxy
tennis
has
the
court
four
right
so
that
lead
there's
four
Courts
at
the
pumpkin
facility,
so
he
has
four
he's.
He
has
one
and
the
community
grown.
T
That
leaves
us
with
three
so
recently
you
know
he's
now
has
two
now,
where
that
you
can
reserve
the
courts
right
so,
which
is
fine
if
you
want
to
reserve
the
court,
because
you
want
to
play
from
a
certain
time.
That's
understandable,
so
what's
happening
is
Galaxy.
Tennis
is
reserving
two
and
three
now
which
leaves
less
than
a
quarter
of
the
courts,
which
we
understand
he's
contracted
for
court.
Four.
We
can't
to
my
understanding.
So
with
that
being
said,
should
he
not
be
just
subjected
to
court
for?
T
Is
he
able
to
use
one
two
and
three?
That
would
be
the
issue,
so
that
being
said
now,
I
stopped
coming
I
used
to
come
every
day.
I
don't
come
anymore,
because
there's
no
more
courts.
Now
I'm
aware
that
they're
going
to
be
building
more
courts
eventually
are
they're
trying
to
build
more
Courts
at
okay.
Do
you
know
when
that
will
be
done
at
any
time.
T
A
T
Am
good
evening
Ry,
how
are
you
okay
so
because
we
had
we
all
met
at
the
popka
facility
one
evening
at
having
a
meeting
with
Radley,
so
we
went
over
this
and
okay,
nothing
has
changed
so
we're
hoping
just
something
gets
done.
You
know
that's
going
to
help
this
situation
out
and
you
know
the
conflict
is
just
getting
out
of
control.
It's
just
going
crazy.
You
know
people
are
starting
getting
agitated
angry.
So
if
you
know
Radley
can
do
something
about
court.
4
again
we
know
it's
contracted.
T
So
we
want
to
keep
Galaxy
tennis
subjected
to
just
that
one
court
and
we
everything
will
be
fine.
You
know
we
never
had
a
problem
with
it
before
so
I
guess
you
guys
are
aware
of
it.
I
don't
know,
Bradley
brought
it
up
to
you
guys,
but
I
felt
to
bring
it
up.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
You
thank
you.
C
Sir
good
evening,
everyone
I'm
here
on
the
same
subject
of
pumpkin
and
the
tennis
facility,
as
as
Greg
was
said,
was
saying:
Galaxy
tennis
is
contract
out
to
just
Court
4
but,
as
he
said
recently,
I
guess.
Within
the
past
3
four
months
we've
been
able
to
reserve
a
court,
but
he's
reserving
not
just
contracted
the
court
for
but
three
and
two
and
yet
conducting
business
on
the
courts,
and
we
have
one
single
Court
left
that
we
have
three
four
five
people
are
trying
to
squeeze
on
the
play.
C
Now
we
brought
this
up
to
Radley's
meeting
or
we
had
a
meeting
with
Radley
about
a
month
and
a
half
ago,
and
you
know
the
rules
have
changed
to
where
you
can
reserve
a
court.
But
we
were
all
afraid
that,
with
this
rule
change
that
Galaxy
tennis
would
monopolize
the
system
the
very
first
day
that
rule
Chang,
that's
exactly
what
he
did.
C
The
courts-
and
there
were
no
courts
left
for
the
community,
but
yet
he
was
conducting
business
and
when
we
brought
it
up,
it
was
pretty
much
said
well,
prove
it
I,
don't
see
how
we
can
coach
in
a
whole
Court.
We
think
it's
un
unfair
to
the
community,
somebody
alike
myself
and
the
community
who's
pretty
much
been
out
at
the
tennis
courts
for
the
last
15
years
since
that
Court's
been
developed,
I
go
there
every
day,
with
my.
C
G
U
Okay,
greetings
mayor
and
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Christopher
Miller
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
state
senator
Geraldine,
Thompson
and
Senate
District
15
I
just
came
to.
Let
you
guys
know
that
we
are
here
as
a
resource
and
if
youall
ever
need
anything
from
us.
We're
here
to
help
our
office
address
is
going
to
be
511.
West,
South,
Street,
Orlando,
Florida
32805,
it's
right
across
from
the
Amway
Center
and
our
state.
Our
district
office
number
is
47245
0194
and
again
I'm,
Christopher
Miller
and
we're
just
saying
hello
have
a
good
one.
A
G
V
The
community
plus
to
also
build
up
our
troop,
as
you
can
tell,
there's
only
a
couple
of
them
total
of
six
that
we
have
in
total,
but
we
try
and
we
keep
pushing
any
other
boys
that
come
on
out
and
join
us.
We
camp
go
camping
once
a
month,
so
we
go
around
to
all
the
parks
we've
been
to
all
of
the
parks.
V
H
G
H
A
H
E
E
A
W
For
me
sure
there
and
that's
the
group
that
was
doing
the
btrs
and
kind
of
getting
us
back
on
track
on
that
correct.
Yes,
okay,
I
was
just
hoping
because
that's
a
renewal
and
I
just
want
to
have
them.
I
would
like
to
have
them
come.
Do
a
presentation,
quick,
concise
presentation,
just
to
kind
of
give
a
update,
how
it's
going
things
because
I
know
we've
had
I
I,
assume,
we've
all
gotten
some.
A
A
quick
update
all
right
so
looking
for
motion
to
to
approve
the
five
consent
agenda
items
which
is
one
two
one,
two
four
five
and
six
so
move
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Nesta.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Smith,
all
those
in
favor
I.
All
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
business
item
floor
and
and
Decor
papka
Jean.
Q
Sanchez
good
evening,
Jean
Sanchez
with
the
Community
Development
Department.
This
major
development
plan
was
tabled
at
the
last
city
council
meeting
September
6
2023,
and
it
was
tabled
to
tonight's
meeting
to
discuss
to
allow
for
discussion
or
further
discussions
on
Transportation
issues.
Tonight,
appli
and
staff
are
available
for
any
questions
you
may
have
and
our
recommendation
hasn't
changed.
A
S
A
X
X
You'll
recall
from
our
last
meeting.
There
were
kind
of
two
issues
that
came
about
so
I'll,
just
Dive
Right
into
those
it
was
Lake,
View
Drive
and
this
Mayflower
Avenue
kind
of
all
familiar
with
that.
The
condition
of
Mayflower
Avenue
is
usually
functionally.
This
is
being
used
as
a
driveway
to
Mid,
Florida
freezer,
and
you
can
see
the
trucks
in
the
aerial
it's
been
used
for
some
time
over
many
years,
and
so
it's
been
had
some
warn
from
the
trucks
and
then
separately.
X
There
was
the
Lake
View
Drive,
which
is
County
Road.
This
body
has
encouraged
staff
and
I
I
I
believe
was
taken
on
themselves
as
well
to
reach
out
to
the
county.
My
understanding,
the
result
of
those
conversations
is
the
county
does
not
have
the
funds
or
the
a
gumption
to
move
forward
with
any
sort
of
improvements
to
this
right
now.
X
So
there's
a
sense
of
the
city
needing
to
take
that
on
I
would
say
it's
it's
rare,
maybe
not
word
rare,
it's
you
know
it
happens,
but
in
this
scenario
you
have
a
Development
coming
in
which
has
the
potential
of
directly
benefiting
and
alleviating
the
traffic
issues
on
Lake,
View,
Drive
and
I'll
I'll.
Get
to
that.
But
I
wanted
to
show
you
the
site
plan
here
which
we're
familiar
with
I.
Believe
you
have
in
front
of
you
again.
It
shows
the
access
points
that
were
talked
about
in
a
previous
meeting.
X
The
takeaway
that
I
took
from
the
last
meeting
and
as
directed
by
this
body,
was
to
work
with
staff
over
the
issues.
I
just
noted,
which
again
just
as
a
recap.
This
has
gone.
This
Project's
been
going
on
for
some
time.
We've
got
it
rezoned
a
comp
plan
Amendment.
We
got
our
PSP
plat
approval
and
now
we're
here
on
major
development
plan,
all
of
which
got
unanimous
approvals
from
the
applicable
bodies,
DRC
recommendation
approval
from
Planning
Commission
and
your
staff.
X
That
said,
Mayflower
Avenue
and
I
said
this
last
meeting
Mayflower
Avenue
the
conditional
Lake
VI
drive.
We
we
went
into
this
project
Eyes
Wide
Open.
It's
been
an
ongoing
discussion
with
staff
and
now
with
the
Commissioners
I
had
indicated
to
to
those
I
met
with,
and
otherwise
at
the
last
meeting
that
FLA
wants
to
move
into
this
site
as
an
investment
in
the
city.
It's
a
great
opportunity
for
the
area
for
this
site
in
general.
X
There
are
my
side
of
things
that
I
need
to
come
up
and
discuss
with
you
and
there's
the
business
side
of
things
and
unfortunately,
dollars
and
cents
sometimes
aren't
always
there
the
to
to
bring
a
a
roadway
up
to
code
standards
and
that's
what
we're
dealing
with
here
right,
Mayflower
Avenue
is
city
right
away,
so
it's
not
something
we
can
simply.
You
know
repave
or
or
slap
some
striping
on
it.
It
needs
to
be
fully
engineered
and
I.
Believe
there's
been
some
figures
passed
around
from
the
staff's
perspective.
X
It's
it's
a
big
bill,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
in
light
of
those
things,
what
we've
kind
of
come
up
with
from
this
site
plan
and
how
we
can
address
that
in
a
creative
way.
So
one
is
install
a
gate.
I've
heard
the
the
comment
commissioner
Becker
pointed
this
out
too,
of
a
concern
of
of
patrons
trying
to
access
the
site
and
this
parking
lot
through
flower
Avenue.
A
physical
gate
would
prevent
that
what
we
had
in
mind
and,
of
course
it
would
need
to
comply
with
code
standards.
X
Excuse
me
design
standards
and
performance
standards
in
the
code,
so
we
would
work
with
the
city
on
that
with
staff
on
that,
but
the
trucks
would
have
the
access
code
or
the
key.
However,
it
works
out
with
the
design
standards
to
be
the
only
vehicle
right,
so
truck
only
would
be
able
to
access
the
site
here
and
you
would
be
physically
restricted
as
a
patron
or
any
other
vehicle
who
would
want
to
go
on
Mayflower
would
not
be
able
to
access
the
site.
X
On
top
of
that,
we
talked
about
signage
again,
we
would
yield
to
the
city
on
what
that
would
look
like
whether
it
be
a
trucks,
only
a
no
Outlet
or
both
we're
happy
to
participate
in
that
so
there's
clear,
Direction
and
also
there's
a
physical
barrier.
You
know
I
I,
think
some
or
most
of
you
have
been
out
to
this
site,
we're
well
aware
of
the
area
and
again
the
condition
of
Mayflower.
Some
of
the
concerns
we
talked
about
in
the
past
was:
will
a
car
want
to
access?
X
Mayflower
I
want
to
point
out
too
that
one
we
would
mark
this
for
employee
parking
and
we'd
have
directional
signage,
but
importantly,
Shepard
Avenue
is
now
vacated,
so
there
is
no
cross
access
from
Mayflower
to
441
for
any
sort
of
cut
through
one.
It
visually
looks
that
way.
Today,
Shepard
Avenue
was
fenced
in
and
used
his
storage
for
Mid
Florida
freezer
for
years,
if
not
decades,
so
it
has
never
been
functionally
used
as
a
RightWay.
X
Although
it's
been
classified
as
one
it's
now
vacated,
so
there
will
be
no
cross
access,
so
so
from
a
site
distance
standpoint.
If
you're
a
car
headed
towards
441,
you
look
over
you're,
going
to
see
directional
signage
that
says
trucks.
Only
no
Outlet
you're
going
to
see
a
gate
that
prevents
your
access
to
this
site.
So
again,
this
would
be
for
trucks
only
which
I
know
was
was
a
was
a
concern.
Keeping
people
off
this
road
on
top
of
that
and
I
think
I
have
some
again.
X
It's
about
$811,000,
now
Pam
came
up
here
last
time
and
talked
about
you
know
some
process
she
received
in
the
past
to
rework
that
intersection
and
provide
some
immediate
relief
to
that
intersection.
These
dollars
take
the
Lion
Share
of
that
estimate.
So
again,
that's
what
I
was
talking
about
in
the
on
the
front
end.
It's
it's
a
unique
opportunity
in
a
sense
that
impact
fee
dollars
can
go
directly
to
fixing
that
issue
now.
What
they
can't
go
to,
unfortunately,
is
Mayflower
Avenue,
because
there's
not
a
capacity
issue.
X
So
there's
no
legal
basis
for
which
we
needed
to
bring
it
up
or
you
know,
provide
bring
it
up
to
code
standards
and
and
and
Pam
talked
about
that.
But
what
it
can
do
is
be
directly
input
into
this
intersection
and
she's
clarified
and
confirmed
with
with
this
body
and
and
with
us,
as
we
continue
to
discuss
that.
That's
what
it
would
go
to
also
should
again
it's
an
investment
in
the
city,
what
we
have
60
full-time
employees,
40
part-time
property
taxes,
sales
tax.
X
X
We
have
the
developer
representative
here,
but
we're
asking
for
an
approval
on
this
site
plan
with
some
of
the
revisions
that
we
made
in
light
of
some
of
the
concerns
raised
by
the
Commissioners
consistent
with
DRC
and
planning
commissions,
and
your
staff's
recommendation
for
approval
I'm,
going
to
just
go
back
to
the
site
plan,
because
I
know
we'll
probably
want
to
talk
about
that.
But
I'm
still
stand
ready
for
questions
and
our
engineer
will
as
well.
Thank
you.
H
H
The
and
again
I
I'll
continue
to
harp
on
Mayflower,
because
I
I'm
really
not
so
much
concerned
about
what
its
historical
use
has
been
I
mean
we
can
call
it
a
driveway
all
day
long,
but
the
fact
is
it's
titled,
an
Avenue
and
by
definition
and
our
Our
Land
Development
code.
That
means
a
certain
thing.
The
width
of
that
Avenue
is
what
and
I'm
looking
more
like
that
staff,
but
my
understanding
that
it's
16
ft.
H
Okay,
I'm
current
state
16
ft
crap,
the
average
width
of
a
tractor
trailer
is
8
and2
ft.
That
means
one
tractor
trailer
can
be
on
that
road
that
Avenue
at
a
time.
These
are
facts:
hey
I,
love,
floor
and
deor
I'm,
a
client
I
go
there
all
the
time,
but
to
knowingly
approve
something
when
we
have
a
deficient
roadway,
that's
that's
where
my
hangup
is
I
mean
it's
16
ft
across
plenty
of
ride
of
way
to
do
the
proper
upgrades
to
that
road
for
it
to
be
sufficient.
H
Because,
what's
going
to
happen
long
term,
we
may
get
calls
from
mid
Florida
freezer,
saying
you've
put
a
whole
bunch
more
traffic
on
this
road.
That's
not
sufficient
to
even
have
more
than
one
tractor
trailer
and
the
Ingress
egress
is
not
sufficient
at
this
point.
So
I
get.
You
know,
Mr
alol,
that
you're
representing
your
client
and
you
feel
like
there's
certain
off-site
improvements
that
shouldn't
be
your
burden.
X
So
I
think
that
use
remains
today.
Commissioner
I
mean
granted
I've
seen
two
tractor
trailers
pass
each
other
on
that
road.
Your
points
well
taken
that
continues
to
be
the
use
today
and
yes,
there
are
deficiencies
there
that
have
been
caused
by
Mid
Florida
freezer
for
some
time,
and
of
course
this
is
most
of
this
parcel
is
vacant
except
for
the
grocery
store.
X
So
it's
not
something
that's
been
caused
by
us
and
again
we're
we're
continuing
that
use
with
a
with
some
minor
deliveries
to
add
to
what's
existing
today,
and
so
that's
why
I
said
you
know
on
on.
We
want
to
work
with
you,
because
I
think
before
we
were
talking
about
a
safety
issue
right
with
them,
with
regular
Vehicles
going
into
the
parking
lot,
but
from
a
legal
basis.
We
have
not.
X
We
have
not
caused
this
deficiency
so
to
hang
up
this
project,
who
has
not
caused
that
deficiency
based
on
that
there's
no
basis
in
which
we
can
do
that.
That's
why
we're
here
and
that's
why
we
want
to
be
able
to
provide
some
short-term
fixes
because
I
think
long
term,
when
there
is
money,
and
maybe
some
input
from
other
property
owners
that
that's
something
that
we
can
do
together.
H
But
but
in
my
opinion,
my
argument
is
we
have
a
road
that
does
not
satisfy
the
width
requirements
that
a
fully
functioning
Road
within
our
city,
our
standard
should
be,
and
so
for
me
to
approve
development,
that's
going
to
contribute
to
that
outof
compliance
or
non-conforming
current
state
of
that
road.
It
would
not
be
prudent
for
me
to
do
that,
knowing
that
we
have
a
deficient
Road,
that's
going
to
be
a
primary
Lifeline
into
this
business.
All
of
your
product
is
going
to
be
coming
on.
X
X
What
we
want
to
do
is
offer
these
things
and
point
out:
what's
what's
changed
here,
including
signage
keeping
patrons
in
the
front,
improving
right
away
with
impact
dollars
the
flow
of
Lake
View
Drive,
which
will
help
overall
site
circulation
and
traffic
patterns
in
general?
You
know,
that's
the
things
that
we
want
to
point
out
to
you
at
at
the
encouragement
of
council.
From
last
me.
H
And
I'll
I
mean
and
again
I'm
one
of
five
up
here
so
I
you,
you
may
be
you
know
I
may
be
Solly
off
base.
What
my
colleagues
up
here
are
thinking
at
the
same
time
and
I'll
let
the
courts
decide
the
legality
of
what
I'm
concerned
about
or
not.
But
the
reality
is.
Is
that
a
road
that
we
call
a
city
road
is
deficient
by
definition.
H
Currently
you
know
I
and
so
for
me,
I
H
I
have
to
consider
that
when
I
look
at
the
totality
of
what
I'm
approving
my
vote
vote
to
say
we're
going
to
introduce
a
whole
bunch
of
volume
on
this
road
that
is
deficient
if
I
were
to
say
yes
I'm
voting
for
this
okay
I've,
just
I've
just
knowingly
approved
a
project,
that's
going
to
cause
more
safety
issues
on
a
road.
That's
deficient.
X
Okay,
so
I,
yeah
and
I
can
understand
and
appreciate
that
position,
and
we
all
have
roles
to
play
here.
Right
I
mean
what
we
what
we
have
from
from
my
standpoint:
I'm
I'm
a
land
use
attorney
who's
representing
a
a
developer
who's
coming
into
the
city
with
a
site
plan
that
meets
all
the
code
requirements.
We
have
a
deficient
City
RightWay
and
what's
now
we're
we're
all
the
way
here
at
Major
site
plan
development,
and
it's
we
can't.
X
H
And
and
my
apologies,
but
we
as
a
council
are
not
part
of
the
yearlong
or,
however
long
of
a
process
this
takes
for
you.
We
are
presented
with
fact
here
at
the
Dez,
we're
not
part
of
the
discussion
that
you've
had
with
staff
I'm
disappointed
in
staff
that
they
would.
They
would
not
have
any
concern
about
this
Mayflower
Avenue
that
we're
okay
with
it
being
hey,
we're
we're
going
to
let
this
come
in
and
we
have
no
plan
for
Mayflower
Avenue.
It's
just
going
to
exist
like
it
always
has
with
no
plan.
That's
where
I'm.
H
That
was
where
I
was
looking
for.
The
last
meeting
was
some
sort
of
assurance
to
say:
okay
yeah.
We
got
to
do
this,
it's
my
understanding
that
you
know
they
did
a
cost
estimate
of
what
it
would
do
to
bring
it
up
to
to
standard
and
to
see
if
you
would
have
any
sort
of,
and
there
was
known
there
was
no
commitment
by
you
all.
X
H
X
And
that's
why
we've
donated
some
additional
RightWay
which
can
help
alleviate
that
problem,
but
also
to
the
direction
that
was
well
taken
from
myself
and
the
applicant
was
to
continue
to
have
conversations
with
staff
to
see
what
can
work.
Now.
We've
we've
talked
about
resaling,
the
Lake
View
Drive
and
and
when
we
actually
did
the
calculation
of
this
800,
some
OD
thousand
doar
that's
going
to
go
to
this
there's
also
a
real
conversation
based
off
acknowledging
the
challenges
we're
having
with
the
county
on
on
collaborating
with
an
improvement
to
Lake
View
Drive.
X
These
are
real
dollars
that
can
go
today.
So
there's
a
matter
of
what's
the
highest
and
best
use
of
a
dollar.
How
can
we?
How
can
we
use,
use
good
money
now
to
alleviate
problems
in
the
area
and
maybe
that
provides
More,
Money
More
capacity
in
the
city
to
provide
some
funding
towards?
Maybe
it's
starting
out.
It's
fixing
the
curb
or
the
widening
Lake
View
Drive.
Those
are
those
seem
to
me.
I'm
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
X
I
have
an
engineer
who
can
speak
to
this,
but
seemingly,
like
maybe
some
less
costly
things
that
the
city
can
provide,
but
from
our
standpoint
as
a
developer,
who's
trying
to
develop
this
property
within
the
city,
who's
complying
with
all
code
requirements.
All
application
requirements
has
staff
recommendation
approval
and
has
been
presented
with
competent,
substantial
evidence
that
we
meet
all
that
criteria
and
that
the
Mayflower
Avenue
isn't
an
issue.
Because
of
these
steps,
we've
taken
and
the
additional
steps
we've
taken.
X
D
Commissioner
Vasquez
well
I
did
have
the
meeting
with
Pam
and
we
did
talk
about
what's
what's
the
city's
responsibility
for
Mayflower
and
we
did
talk
about
if
there
was
any
possible
way
to
partner
some
of
the
costs
CU,
our
transportation
person
had
estimated
about
700,000
just
to
bring
Mayflower
up
to
code,
so
at
at
this
stage,
of
course,
you
know
we
talked
about
it.
I
mean
we
had
some
Alternatives
I
was
more
for
signage,
rather
than
a
gate,
because
I
always
feel
like
a
gate
with
First
Responders.
X
D
X
D
X
Yeah
but
again,
this
isn't
a
roadway
that
our
patrons
are
going
to
be
on
I
mean
this
is
this
is
going
to
discourage
any
use
of
Mayflower
Avenue
other
than
trucks
which
is
being
used
today,
so
this
isn't
going
to
encourage
any
future
travel
across
Mayflower
Avenue.
It's
going
to
discourage
it.
What
we
instead,
what
it's
going
to
do
is
provide
improvements
to
Lake
VI
Drive,
which
are
desperately
needed.
H
X
I
can't
tell
you
how
to
spend
your
transportation
dollars.
I
know
I
mean
with
any
sort
of
Paving
budget
or
anything
related
it
it.
It
goes.
Quick
I
can
appreciate
that
as
well
May.
Maybe
the
county
will
come
around
or
maybe
there's
enough
in
the
budget,
with
the
in
infusion
of
our
impact
fees
at
$800,000.
To
maybe
do
something
I
just
can't
direct
those
funds.
X
X
H
B
X
And
that's
well
taken
I
mean
you
guys
know
about
this
property
too.
I
think
it
came
up
a
year
or
two
ago,
as
a
gas
station
and
and
boy
there
was
some
opposition
on
that.
One
I
know
that's
a
big
heavy
heavy
traffic
user
with
lots
of
trip
counts.
This
is
a
relatively
low
trip
count
user
as
well,
and
I
think
that
the
combination
of
of
those
low
trip
counts
of
what's
being
proposed,
along
with
the
impact
fees
and
immediate.
A
X
A
A
X
K
W
Nesta
no
I,
I
I,
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
on
Monday
to
meet
with
me.
As
we
discussed,
I
mean
this.
This
the
Mayflower
is,
is
something
that
is
very
important
to
me.
I
took
pictures
of
it
drove
by
it.
I
mean
it's
it's
it's
rough
from
my
understanding,
we're
vacating.
The
city
is
vacating.
Approximately
12,000
Square
ft
for
your
Project's
benefit.
So
there's
definitely
some
coming
from
the
city
for
your
benefit
from
Shepard
Avenue.
W
X
X
W
So
and
I
do
see
that
you
guys
are
adding
a
sidewalk
to
here
too
front
in
front
of
for
Lake
View
Drive,
so
I
appreciate
that
that
does
help
that
area
as
there's
not
a
sidewalk
at
all
there.
So
that's
very
nice.
The
other
thing,
though,
too,
is
that
the
city's
requirement
is
only
to
provide
safe
and
adequate
access
to
your
project.
The
Mayflower
access
is
not
a
requirement.
It's
a
preference
on
your
guys'
side.
W
W
X
W
Right
off,
Lake
VI,
so
for
me,
and
and
really
what
this
comes
down
to
is
money,
do,
do
you
want
to
contribute
money?
Do
we
want
to
contribute
money,
I
think
there
and
it's
it's?
What
I
ask
of
every
developer
meet
us
in
the
middle
somewhere.
Even
we'll
go
a
little
bit
further.
You
give
us
something,
though
your
impact
fees
you
got
to
pay
them
either
way
it's
the
cost
of
doing
business.
W
We
want
to
partner
with
you
in
this
partner
with
us
and
that's
what
I'm
asking
so
there's
got
to
be
a
dollar
amount
somewhere
in
this
that
you
guys
are
willing
to
contribute
and
I'm
the
number
that
was
thrown
out.
I'm
prir
certain
commissioner
Becka
referenced.
It
was
something
like
700,000
or
maybe
it
was
commissioner
Vasquez
that
and
that,
for
the
whole
whole
Road.
My
understanding
is,
maybe
you
guys
take
up
20%
of
that
to
to
your
driveway.
That
again
is
not
required
or
it's
a
preference.
W
W
X
Okay
and
I,
what
you
just
said,
I
think,
was
probably
a
very
productive
point
in
our
meeting
as
well.
I
mean
we
talked
about
the
dollar
and
who
needs
to
give
them
and
I
I.
You
know
I
understand
that
yes,
you're
you're
right
the
margins
are
small,
who
needs
to
give
the
dollars
US
or
or
you
or
how
to
do
it.
I
mean
we're
not
legally
obligated
to
do
it,
but
we
did
want
to
at
least
have
a
conversation
to
see
what
that
would
look
like
again.
X
The
margin
are
small
I'm
hearing
from
our
business
side
of
my
clients
that
said
they're
not
able
to
contribute
to
that
I
guess.
Another
concern
would
be
based
on
other
discussions.
Is
you
know,
does
the
city
want
to
spend
dollars
on
on
Mayflower
at
this
juncture,
or
is
it
something
that
can
be
done
in
the
future,
with
the
participation
of
all
those
who
are
utilizing?
Mayflower,
Avenue
and,
quite
frankly,
has
caused
this
issue
in
the
first
place,
without
paying
impact
fees.
A
W
X
I
think
you're,
you
know
you're
being
real
right,
it
is
dollars.
Yes,
it's
City
Road,
yes,
it
should
be
maintained
and,
yes,
it's
not
being
maintained.
We
would
welcome
it
to
be
maintained,
but
that's
not
a
burden
that
we
can
take
on
from
a
cost
perspective.
It's
something
that
we
could
have
a
conversation
with
if
other
people
are
participating,
perhaps
with
some
time
to
make
it
make
sense.
If
it's
a
matter
of
dollar
and
cense
to
map
it
out
to
make
it
make
sense.
X
But
right
now
to
offer
a
check
of
$150,000
is
is
is
not
going
to
to
work,
but
what
we
can
do
is
restrict
access
now
limit
it
from
our
use
to
just
the
trucks
and
then
continue
to
look
we're.
This
is
going
to
continue
to
be
something
that
the
city
and
us
as
an
enduser
is
going
to
want
to
be
interested
in
doing,
but
but
first
we
need
to.
We
need
to
get
developed
out
so
that
we
can
have
the
dollars
and
cents
to
fix
the
other
issues
in
the
area
that
are
more.
W
Pressing
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
again
you
were
doing
exactly
what
you're
supposed
to
be
doing
is
representing
your
customer
and
I'm
doing
exactly
what
I'm
supposed
to
be
doing
is
representing
our
residents
again
and
knowing
the
cost
of
these
projects.
Understanding
development,
$100,000
125,000
is
not
going
to
make
it
break
this
project.
I
I
I
can't
tell
you
how
countless
developers
will
come
in
and
say
how
much
can
we
help
and
contribute
to
the
local
area?
W
Can
we
do
a
turn
lane
down
the
road
to
help
our
Pro
just
to
help
you
guys
they'll
design
it
they'll,
it's
I'm
asking
for
something
similar,
no
you're
not
required
to
do
it,
but
you
don't
have
to
have
the
Mayflower
Avenue
access
point
either.
It's
not
required.
That
is
a
preference
that
you
guys
have
so
either
contribute
something
towards
Mayflower
or
don't
have
a
Mayflower
Ingress
egress
and
only
have
it
accessed
from
Lake
View.
X
W
W
Yes,
so
we
spoke
about
that,
and
and
really
it's
because
of
government
being
unnecessarily
convoluted,
that
intersection
of
Lake
View
itself
fdot
owns
the
light
in
the
road
441
Orange
County
owns
the
right
of
ways
is
somewhere
sorry
and
then
we,
you
know
we
don't
own
Lake
View,
but
so
it's
just
it's
a
multi.
There
there's
a
lot
of
municipalities
that
come
into
this,
so
we'll
get.
W
Y
G
Y
I'm
sorry,
Lake,
View,
I'm,
sorry
I'm.
Sorry,
if
we
want
to
have
that
signal
modified
in
any
way
and
I
talked
to
do
for
a
very
extended
period
of
time,
I
also
talked
to
Orange
County.
There
will
be
no
changes
to
that
light
that
aren't
approved
by
do
and
and
they
have
the
the
plan,
the
site
plan
and
the
traffic
study,
and
they
are
trying
to
work
out
something
that
we
could
do
as
a
an
interim
fix
until
we
can
find
the
funding
to
do
the
the
full-blown
fix.
W
Absolutely
no
and
there
there
I
know,
there's
discussions
going
on
from
Orange
County
side
as
well.
I've
asked
to
meet
with
them,
and
so
that's
that's
in
the
works
again.
This
was
I
had
less
than
two
weeks
to
make
it
work,
which
was
fine
and
we're
still
working
on
it
that
that's
not
something
whe,
regardless
of
where
this
project
goes.
Lake
View
needs
to
be
taken
care
of
either
way.
W
So
that's
not
an
Endeavor
I'm
going
to
stop,
regardless
of
a
Florida
cor
coming
in
or
not,
except
for
the
additional
funding,
of
course
sure.
But
it's
either
you
guys
or
somebody
else.
It's
a
good
site,
I
I
I.
We
the
amount
of
growth.
We
have
right
now.
We
want
you
here,
but
I'm
not
going
to
be
held
hostage
for
something
that
I
I
think
we
can
work
together
a
little
bit
more
on.
X
X
X
H
Road
I
think
where
commissioner
Ness
is
coming
from,
and
we've
seen
it
up
here
before
and
again
in
all
fairness
to
you,
this
is
not
legally
your
responsibility.
However,
we've
had
development
community
that
has
come
into
aapka.
That
has
wanted
to
be
good
partners
with
us.
Prime
example
would
be
a
residential
establishment.
What's
the
name
of
it:
AV
ham,
ham,
States,
oh
of
Pitman
yeah.
They
didn't
have
to
redo
Pitman,
but
they
volunteered
to
do
it
because
they
they
saw
the
endgame
and
the
value
of
doing
their
development
within
our
city.
H
That
was
probably
at
a
much
higher
cost
than
what
we're
talking
about
here,
but
again,
whether
it's
a
penny
or
a
million
dollars
it.
It's
that's
a
moot
point
in
terms
of
the
argument
that
you're
trying
to
make
I
get
that
what
I'm
saying
is
that
this
road
that
will
be
heavily
used
is
unsafe,
and
this
is
more
of
a
conversation
with
us,
maybe
too,
as
well
as
staff.
H
E
H
W
H
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
to
a
place
where
the
applicant
is
going
to
commit
any
money
tonight.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
I
think
that
we
should,
as
a
council,
say
that
we
shouldn't
have
a
premier
development
or
a
store
like
Floren
deor
coming
here
and
have
deficient
access
points
into
this
development.
We
should
see
value
that
Mayflower
Avenue
should
be
brought
up
to
standard
in
a
safe
manner
per
our
own
code
per
our
own
Guidance.
H
X
H
AA
AA
Y
A
Y
Y
A
Yeah
I
mean
to
me
the
the
the
the
rub
is
Lake
View.
We
talk
about
Mayflower
we
want,
but
Lake
View
is
the
problem.
I
mean
I,
I
I
understand
your
concerns.
I
understand
it's
Mayflower
is
an
ugly
Road.
It's
not
up
to
standards.
We
can
all
agree
to
that,
but
for
us
to
if
I've
got
$700,000
call
it
whatever.
You
want
$800,000
if
I'm
going
to
spend
it
on
Lake
View
to
improve
that
intersection
or
800,000
to
improve
Mayflower.
That's
a.
Y
H
So
24
foot
wide
now,
whether
or
not
that
qualifies
for
impact
fees
or
not
I
completely
agree
that
l
view
is
of
the
most
utmost
importance,
but
why?
Why
do
we
have
to
pick
and
choose
what's
good?
What's
bad
on,
like
I'm,
proving
a
development
and
totality?
If
all
the
sum
of
the
parts
don't
make
sense
to
me,
that's
where
I
I
struggle
with
with
approving
this
I
know,
people
are
going
to
kind
of
say
what
the
heck
you're
you're
Bonkers
for
focusing
on
Mayflower
so
much.
H
B
So
think
the
two
are
really
compatible,
because
here
we're
talking
about
residential
use,
constant
ly,
as
opposed
to
only
allowing
them
to
use
this
for
truck
entrance,
especially
since
there
are
two
businesses
that
are
currently
using
it.
As
is
and
I
strongly
feel.
If
we're
going
to
require
them
to
improve
it,
then
we
need
to
also
put
pressure
on
the
two
businesses
that
are
going
to
use
it
even
more
than
what
they're
going
to
to
also
contribute
to
improving
Mayflower.
W
B
W
Back
for
for
me
and
I,
it
doesn't
and
again
105
either
abandon
your
access
point
on
Mayflower
and
only
use
Lake
View,
which
is
ample
and
adequate
for
what
you
need
or
contribute
something
to
the
Improvement
of
Mayflower.
So
that's
where
I'm
at,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
Echoes
everyone
else's
sentiment,
I,
don't
have
any
more
comments
on
this.
X
Okay
and
again
I
think
it
be.
It
would
be
nice
to
have
other
involvement
and
if
that's
the
the
the
case,
then
I'd
encourage
the
city
to
reach
out
to
those
other
parcel
owners
as
well,
but
I.
The
alternative
would
be
to
have
box
trucks
going
past.
Regular,
patrons
Vehicles
off
Lake
View,
which
I'm
hearing
is
a
concern
of
the.
A
W
A
E
John,
my
name's
John
Cen,
593,
Hustler,
Road,
City
of
Apopka
and
sitting
back
there
listening
to
you
all,
go
back
and
forth
back
and
forth.
City
of
Apopka
has
the
road.
Why
has
not
the
city
of
apaka
my
councilman,
that
have
been
here
before?
Why
have
you
not
done
something
about
the
road?
This
is
just
an
added
deal.
You
have
someone
doing
it.
You
guys
can't
talk
to
Orange
County,
you
don't
even
know
who
controls
what
I
found
that
out
on
Park
Avenue.
E
You
don't
even
know
who
controls
Park,
avue
vter
this
deal
here
you
get
a
company
that
wants
to
come
in
I've
been
down
that
way
as
a
school
teacher
driving
by
that
that
road's
been
that
way
for
years,
and
now
some
get
someone
wants
come
in,
but
you
want
them
to
pay
all
of
it.
What
are
you
guys
going
to
do?
What
are
you
going
to
do?
What
are
the
commissioner
going
to
do?
Are
you
going
to
help
out
you
get
someone
who
wants
to
bring
a
business
in
and
you
guys
just
come?
E
R
You
me
3603
golden
gem,
Road
poka.
It's
encouraging
tonight
to
hear
reasoned
arguments
from
our
commissioners.
However,
as
a
lay
person,
sometimes
I
find
the
decision-making
process
in
here
a
little
bit.
Confusing
I
hear
arguments
here
today
about
Vehicles
not
being
able
to
pass
side
by
side,
because
roads
are
too
narrow,
but
I've
also
see
that
there
appears
to
be
inconsistency
in
decision
making.
That's
in
the
past.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
suggest
tonight
if
we're
going,
to
have
reason,
decision
making
and
we're
going
to
argue
about
certain
things.
R
I've
heard
the
argument
made
in
the
past
that
sometimes
we
have
to
take
a
leap
of
faith
and
take
the
first
step.
First,
we
did
that
in
golden
gem,
Road
two
school
buses
can't
pass
side
by
side
in
golden
gem,
road
which
is
16
or
18t
wider
or
20t
wide
I
can't
remember
what
it
is,
but
we
never
used
the
argument
there
that
we
can't
put
up
lots
of
houses
on
Golden
Jam
road
because
we
didn't
have
the
infrastructure
for
the
roads.
It's
basically
the
same
argument
that
we're
making
here,
but
just
one
was
commercial.
R
One
is
for
business
if
we're
going
to
make
decisions
based
on
that
sort
of
reasoning.
I
would
like,
as
we
go
forward
for
at
least
to
be
consistent,
because
to
me
some
of
the
decision
making
and
I'm
not
I'm,
not
criticizing
MD,
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
consistent
from
from
my
perspective
as
a
lay
person.
Maybe
that's
because
I'm
not
educated
in
in
the
in
the
manners
of
of
what
defines
a
road
and
what
doesn't.
But
it
does
leave
a
bitter
taste
in
my
mouth
that
you
know.
R
H
H
Example,
that's
not
necessarily
applicable
to
this
particular
case,
but
to
Pro
to
of
articulate
what
I'm
thinking
is,
if
someone's
out
of
conformance
of
something
and
they
go
to
they're,
not
conforming
use
and
they
go
to
apply
for
a
permit
to
do
something
to
their
property
that
perpetuates
the
non-conform
in
use.
It's
not
going
to
be
approved
or
permitted,
not
to
say
that
that's
the
exact
same
case
here,
but
it's
generally
the
point
that
I'm
making
is
that
yeah
that
mid
florid
is
using
it
right
now,
but
we're
going
to
add
more
to
it.
H
I
don't
have
a
crystal
ball
to
know
all
of
the
potential
impacts
that
are
going
to
come
as
a
result
of
it.
I
know
that
people
in
this
audience
right
now
are
thinking
that
we're
talking
on
this
thing
way
way
too
long
and
I
apologize
for
that.
But
my
you
know,
if
all
I'm
asking
is
that
if
we
can
get
commitment
from
this
body
or
to
staff
to
say
we're
going
to
do
proper
improvements
to
this
road,
so
that
the
truckers
that
are
now
going
to
be
on
this
road
are
safe.
A
X
H
Thank
you
I
mean
in
terms
of
up
here
like
outside
of
the
applicant
in
terms
of
improving
this
Mayflower
Avenue
from
the
Ingress
egress
Point.
That's
in
this
particular
plan
over
to
Lake,
View
I
think
is
worthy
because
again
it
benefits
Mid
Florida
in
the
sense
that
it
creates
a
safer
turning
radius
and
Ingress
egress
off
of
Lake
View,
and
it
creates
some
level
of
stacking
because,
again,
Flor
and
deor
is
going
to
go
in
there
Mid
Florida
they
can
handle
their
own
traffic
once
it
gets
past.
H
G
A
H
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
we
commit
to
improving
from
here
to
P
right
here,
the
boundary
of
their
Ingress
egress
point,
because
once
you're
past
there,
Mid
Florida
freezer,
can
be
responsible
for
their
own
traffic
if
they
want
to
continue
their
driveway
usage
of
Mayflower.
But
when,
if
you
we
improve
here,
bring
it
to
our
standards,
it
creates
a
better
Ingress
egress
turn
in
turnout
and
better
stacking.
If
we
have
two-way
traffic
coming
from
mid
Florida
in
Flor
and
deor,
we
can
commit
to.
Y
Y
I
don't
know:
what's
in
the
resurfacing
budget,
which
is
actually
where
this
project
goes.
It's
I
think
that
when
they
did
the
study
and
analyzed
all
the
roads,
this
is
probably
a
zero
on
a
scale
of
one
100,
so
I
mean
it
just
can't
get
any
worse
to
sit,
but
it
only
serves
five
parcels
and
with
all
the
needs
in
the
city,
that's
why
it
didn't
rise
up
to
the
top.
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Yeah
you're
the
the
traffic
count
there
is
so
low.
That's
why
it's
it's
hard
to
justify
widening
the
road,
calling
it
a
capacity
project
and
spending
anywhere
from
350
to
700,000?
Well,
it
would
be
actually
the
700,000
is
to
do
cold
in
place
over
what's
there
if
you're
talking
about
adding
capacity
so
that
we
can
use
the
impact
fee
money.
That
means
that
we're
going
to
have
to
add
base
it
will
be.
It
would
probably
be
around
a
million
dollars
to
do
and
that
that's
a
big
number
for.
W
G
W
H
H
G
H
Right
so
I
I
heard
evidence
introduced
to
try
and
say
that
this
is
not
a
priority,
so
we
would
have
to
make
it
a
priority
for
them.
Correct,
I,
think
based
off
of
what
Pam
said
is
this
may
not
have
been
in
the
original
assessment
and
it's
two
years
old
and
this
project
is
less
than
that,
so
this
wasn't
contemplated
for
the
sake
of
argument
again.
I
want
when
these
businesses
do
come
into
a
popka
I
want
them
to
have
the
best
product
possible.
H
So
if
it
takes
us
saying
hey
no
declaratively,
we
we
need
to
improve
this
to
what
I
just
mentioned.
Then,
let's
do
it.
We're
not
broke
this.
Will
this
will
contribute
to
our
tax
base?
We
can
use
that
money
for
this
purpose
to
upgrade
and
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
best
product
possible.
So
if
we
give
direction
to
staff
to
say
we
want
that
upgraded
okay,
let's
work
on
that
properly
engineered,
not
just
yeah,
you
know
putting
lipstick
on
a
pig.
H
A
Okay,
okay,
so
so
I
think
absent
somebody
changing
what
I
think
is
their
their
votes.
At
this
point,
the
only
way
to
get
this
over
the
Finish
Line
would
be
to
some
kind
of
a
commitment
from
the
DI
that
we're
going
to
improve
that
road.
I'm
I'm,
not
comfortable
spending,
300,000
or
500.
Whatever
that
number
is
we
got
so
many
other
Road
needs
I.
Don't
know
that
I
could
I
could
support
that
so
I,
don't
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
way
of.
But
if
that
gets
the
three
votes
needed.
W
W
W
B
Not
for
four
trucks,
we
we
have
other
roads
that
are
a
lot
busier
than
this
road
that
need
some
improvement.
The
residents
been
calling
and
calling
about
and
I
would
just
hate
to
say
we
sit
here
and
we
spent
4
,000
to
improve
this
road
for
four
trucks,
and
so
now
we're
not
able
to
improve
your
road.
A
H
H
What
I'm
suggesting
is
that
it's
the
Mayflower
leading
into
the
intersection
the
whole
intersection.
The
Ingress
egress
is
unsafe.
It's
a
safety
issue
so
to
to
diminish
that,
to
any
degree
you're
going
through
convenience
of
having
a
couple
potholes
or
something
here
and
there
to
a
true
safety
issue,
because
Lake
View
again,
if
you've
driven
Lake,
View
a
whole
bu
cars
stack
all
the
way
back
to
Mayflower.
H
W
W
W
W
H
Yeah
because
I
think
what
Pam
was
describing
is
that
200k
that
was
being
sought
from
the
applicant
was
not
necessarily
engineering.
It
was
more
kind
of
fortifying
the
road.
So
again,
I,
don't
I.
Don't
think
that
200k
really
does
anything
for
me.
I
just
think
that
we
should
just
bite
the
bullet
and
do
the
proper
do
proper
upgrades
to
our
infrastructure
where
they're
required.
That's
it.
You
know
if
we
can
commit
to
doing
that.
H
Let's
do
it
I,
don't
I,
don't
understand
how
that
that
can't
be
communicated
to
our
constituents
that
yeah
we
we
might
have
to
hold
off
on
some
other
road.
That
was
in
that
study.
If
it
means
we're
bringing
a
establishment,
that's
going
to
contribute
considerable
amount
to
our
tax
base.
Thought
saw
the
value
statement
there.
Job
creation,
all
these
great
stats
at
the
S
same
time,
making
it
the
safest,
roadway
possible.
H
H
AB
Is
it's
almost
like
two
separate
motions?
Do
you
want
to
this
by
the
way
Improvement
of
this
road
is
not
specifically
on
the
agenda,
except
as
it
relates
to
the
project,
but
as
to
your
decision
to
put
money
towards
the
the
road?
That's
a
separate
motion
from
proving
this
master
plan
here
floor,
but
I
forget
the
name
of
it,
but
you
know
what
I'm
talking
site
plan
that's
a
different
thing,
so
it
should
be,
in
my
view,
two
motions:
they're
not
tied.
H
I
think
you
got
to
start
with
the
road
improvements
correct.
Okay,
so
I
would
move
to
have
staff
put
together
funding
estimate,
okay
for
proper
engineering,
improvements
to
Mayflower
Avenue,
extending
West
from
Lake
View,
Drive,
inclusive
of
the
intersection
west
of
the
Ingress
egress
for
the
app
subject
applicant
the
floor
and
deor
we'll
call
it
project
site
and.
D
H
It's
an
estimate.
We,
we
have
to
show
people
that
we're
not
just
going
to
say
you
know
what
the
hell
with
it
we're
not
going
to
ever.
Do
anything
we're
not
doing
any
earmark
of
any
money
right
now.
What
we're
asking
staff
to
do
is
put
a
firm
commitment
that
we're
going
to
do
and
inspect
and
get
a
firm
estimate
about
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
make
this
incremental
Improvement.
W
W
D
Yeah
tot
different
story,
so
all
right,
so
if
we
can
get
Floyd
deor
to
the
finish
line,
we
are
going
to
vote
to
get
an
estimate
for
fixing
Mayflower.
That's
it
I'm
not
voting
on.
Let's
fix
it
because
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
vote
for,
let's
fix
it.
If
we
don't
have
a
number
but
but
then
that's
not
fair
to
commissioner
Becker.
If.
A
H
Yes,
we
will
do
that
because
you're
asking
us
as
a
collective
body,
okay
to
say,
here's
what
it's
going
to
take
now
when
that
comes
back
to
us
and
I'm,
assuming
both
sides
are
operating
in
good
faith
that
when
that
comes
back
to
us,
we're
not
inflating
numbers
to
try
and
fit
a
narrative.
We're
saying
hey!
This
is
how
much
it's
going
to
cost.
Then,
as
a
body
again,
we
we
go
through
the
process
of
saying
okay
from
a
cost
and
dollar
perspective.
A
A
H
A
A
Okay,
okay,
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Next
up.
We
have
the
motion
to
approve
the
major
development
plan
for
the
Floor
and
Decor
popka.
So
move
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Smith.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
nesa,
all
those
in
favor
I,
I
I'll
oppos
motion
carries
namly
all
right,
Bradley.
Z
Good
evening,
mayor,
Commissioners
rad,
the
Williams
parks
recreation
director
I'm
here
tonight
to
talk
about
potential,
live
the
amphitheater
marketing
program.
Park,
the
apka,
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
proposes
the
development
and
implementation
of
a
fee
based
marketing
program
for
non-
City
organized
special
events
held
at
the
apopa
amphitheater.
The
marketing
program
would
allow
event,
promoters
and
organizers,
hosting
special
events
at
the
amphitheater,
the
opportunity
to
utilize
city-owned
marketing
infrastructure
and
social
media
to
promote
and
market
for
their
upcoming
events
at
the
amphitheater.
Z
Currently,
the
use
of
city-owned
marketing
infrastructure
and
social
media
is
limited
to
City,
organized
or
city
supported
events.
Staff
are
regularly
asked
by
event
promoters
and
organizers
for
any
opportunities
to
Market
on
these
City
owned
medium,
which
they
are
not
allowed
to
at
this
time.
The
Feb
program
would
open
up
a
new
opportunity
for
these
event,
promoters
and
organizers
to
Market
their
events,
while
also
opening
a
revenue
source
for
the
city
and
capitalize
on
growing
interest
on
the
apka,
Ampitheater
and
event
promoters
and
organizers.
Z
So
just
kind
of
recap
of
of
what
we're
here
for
tonight
to
discuss.
This
is
a
snapshot
of
the
program.
Currently
we
do
advertise
or
we
do
post
all
of
our
Amphitheater
events
on
our
Amphitheater
website
on
the
calendar,
so
they
are
currently
on
the
calender.
That's
the
Bron
bronze
package
highlighted
here.
Z
The
silver
package
would
provide
them
the
opportunity
to
to
Market
a
digital
slide
in
the
rotation
of
the
three
City
digital
signs
and
also
have
their
event
listed
on
the
digital
popka,
proud,
weekly
newsl
letter,
and
this
would
be
a
week
prior
to
the
event.
The
gold
packet
would
give
them
the
event
listing
on
the
amphitheater
calendar.
The
digital
marketing
slides
in
the
digital
sence
for
four
weeks
event
listed
on
the
digital
Popa,
proud,
Weekly
Newsletter
for
four
weeks
leading
up
to
the
event,
and
we
also
give
them
the
event
listed
on
the
new.
Z
It's
not
created
yet
live
at
the
amphitheater
monthly
newsletter.
That's
digital
distribution!
It
would
also
allow
the
event
promoter's
Facebook
event
to
be
shared
on
the
new
coming,
a
Popa
Amphitheater
Facebook
page.
It
would
allow
for
three
Facebook
posts
and
three
Instagram
posts
on
the
POA
Amphitheater
Pages
marketing
the
event.
This
would
be
photos
and
content
provided
by
the
promoter
and
then
reviewed
and
and
put
together
by
City
staff
and
posted
by
City
staff,
and
there
was
one
other
item
that
was
not
on
the
packet.
Z
When
I
provided
to
you
I
apologize.
We
would
also
provide
the
event
to
be
added
to
the
monthly
Apopka
I'm.
Sorry,
the
monthly
Apopka
Amphitheater
update
as
part
of
the
printed
monthly
apka
newsletter
that
goes
out
in
the
water
bills,
so
I
I
know.
Commissioner
Vasquez
had
asked
for
some
of
the
stats.
Z
Z
The
average
time
on
the
page
is
around
a
minute.
The
events
web
page
saw
10,767
10,776
sessions
that
equates
to
9,696
users.
7,954
of
those
are
new
users.
Average
time
on
the
page
again
is
around
a
minute,
and
then
we
do
have
currently
right
around
2.2
th000
followers
on
the
apopa
Parks
and
Recreation
Facebook
page
some
of
the
newsletter
stats,
the
apopa,
proud,
weekly
email
newsletter
currently
has
4,120
subscribers.
We
have
started
taking
subscriptions
for
the
live
at
the
amphitheater
email
newsletter.
Z
We
currently
have
19
that
just
started
that
just
opened
up.
We
have
not
sent
a
newsletter
out
for
that
yet
and
then
our
city
of
papka
utility
bill
U
monthly
print
newsletter,
is
around
21,000.
That
fluctuates
with
the
customers
that
opt
in
for
the
paper
bill.
So
with
that
I
take
any
questions
on
the
program.
Any.
B
D
A
Z
Yeah,
these
are
typically
the
larger
amp
Theater
events
would
be
looking
at
this
and
we
would
definitely
we'
definitely
have
that.
Now
this
would
be
offered.
It
is
also
contingent
on
them
getting
their
permit,
approved
and
getting
us
the
content
required.
So,
if
they're
running
late
on
getting
an
approval,
obviously
we
might
not
get
them
the
full
six
weeks,
but
they
would
go
into
that
understanding
that
those
approvals.
D
Z
That
and
we
we
have
a
lot
of
events
that
have
reached
out
to
us
for
2024
in
that
spring
and
summer
already.
So
a
lot
of
these
are
going
to
start
going
through
the
process
sooner
and
sooner,
especially
these
promoters
that
have
been
to
the
Ampitheater
multiple
times.
Now
they
got
the
flow
of
the
process
and
and
the
permit.
Z
Them
they
would
take
any
time,
we'd
give
them
it's.
Definitely.
The
digital
signs
especially,
are
an
attractive
opportunity
for
the
promoters,
and
this
does
also
give
staff
the
opportunity
to
have
a
potential
Revenue
stream,
but
also
say
yes
to
some
of
those
questions
that
come
to
our
to
our
office.
On
these
events,.
D
Z
Yeah
and
that's,
they
are
getting
really
good
traction
on
social
media
and
and
their
pages.
So
this
is
also
kind
of
a
twofold.
By
pushing
some
of
that
on
to
our
live
at
the
Ampitheater
page.
Will
help
grow
that
page
as
well,
because
these
will
be
people
coming
to
to
check
out
the
amphitheater
page
page.
Okay,
from
these
promoted
events.
W
No,
the
only
thing
I
I've
brought
this
up
before
I
I'm
I,
like
this
I,
just
think
this
would
be
coupled
very
well
with
a
like
an
events
and
marketing
manager
for
the
Ampitheater,
especially
with
the
quality
of
promoters
and
things
and
events
that
we're
having
out
there.
I
think
this
would
couple
really
well,
but
it's
a
start
to
it.
So.
Z
Right
so
I
mean
we
do
have
our
events
manager
and
we
have
an
events
coordinator.
Our
coordinator
handles
a
lot
of
the
initial
in
the
door
special
event
process,
so
this
will
be
something
that
she
would
communicate
initially,
but
yeah
as
the
amphitheater
continues
to
grow.
We're
going
to
have
to
continue
looking
at
at
those
needs.
From
a
staffing
standpoint.
Thank.
A
B
G
P
G
D
AB
Do
it
from
there
yeah
I'll,
do
it
from
where
you
want
me
to
that's.
That's
fine!
Okay.
This
next
item
is
the
decision
that
we've
been
waiting
for
from
Council
as
to
how
it
wants
to
conduct
a
charter
review.
As
you
all
know,
there's
been
discussions
previous
ly
about
the
the
need
or
the
desire.
Whichever
way
you
want
to
look
at
it
for
a
charter
review
and
I
was
asked
to
prepare
a
staff
Memo
from
the
legal
side,
just
explaining
methods
by
which
you
could
do
it.
AB
In
previous
meetings,
I've
expressed
my
own
thoughts
about
that.
So
this
is
not
the
place
to
go
back
and
rehash
that,
unless
it's
to
answer
questions
from
you
guys,
the
three
methods
that
I've
outlined
here
are
Council
LED,
that's
the
one
in
which
you
all
act.
As
the
charter,
Review
Committee,
you
hold
your
meetings.
I
provide
a
memo
which,
by
by
the
way
the
memo
would
be
standard
in
any
of
these
methods.
AB
My
thoughts
are
based
on
things.
I
have
seen.
You
have
special
needs
here
or
special
considerations,
or
maybe
the
public
will
bring
in
considerations.
We
can't
even
think
of
right
now
about
things
that
they
want
to
see
or
want
to
see,
tweaked
or
want
to
see
changed.
So
that's
always
a
part
of
the
process
and
I
say
that,
regardless
of
the
method,
the
public
participation
is
is
important.
AB
The
difference
in
a
council,
citizen
Le,
is
that,
in
addition
to
you
all
serving
as
the
reviewers,
you
can
add
as
many
citizens
as
you
want
to
I.
Suppose,
I
would
suggest
that
you
get
an
odd
number
at
the
end
of
the
day
so
that
you
don't
end
up
in
ties,
but
you
essentially
go
through
the
same
process.
I
provide
a
memo.
AB
Discussion
goes
on
about
the
things
that
I
covered
as
well
as
anything
else
that
anybody
wants
to
bring
to
the
table,
and
that's
not
only
the
members
of
that
committee,
but
also
the
public,
and
they
can
submit
those
things
at
any
time.
For
example,
if
the
first
meeting
was
to
cover
articles
one
and
two
of
the
charter
that
would
be
announced
in
advance
and
citizens
could
submit
emails,
memos
whatever
they
wish
to
about
those
sections
or
anything
else
and
there'll
be
a
comment
period.
Just
like
there
are
right
now
in
your
Council
meetings.
AB
Essentially,
the
meeting
was
run
the
same
way.
It
would
have
some
extra
sessions
because
the
citizens
do
not
know
and
have
not
been
acquainted
with
in
most
cases,
Sunshine
Law
and
public
records,
and
that
not
only
would
be
something
that
needs
to
be
like
session
number
one.
So
they
don't
get
themselves
in
trouble.
AB
AB
The
only
way
that
isn't
true
is
if,
rather
than
a
citizen,
Le
or
Charter
or
coun
Leed
or
some
combination,
LED
Charter
viw,
is
if
the
citizens
themselves
put
together
initiative
petitions
to
get
something
on
the
referendum
ballot,
which
they
can
do
at
any
time
so
long
as
they
meet
all
the
like
legal
criteria.
To
do
that,
and
that's
a
wholly
separate
process,
we
don't
need
to
talk
about
the
last
thing.
I
up
on
your
die
is
examples
of
what
some
other
cities
around
here
you'll
know.
AB
Many
of
them
are
ones
that
I
have
nothing
to
do
with.
I
have
represented
Orange
County,
it's
their
Charter
review
Council
and
the
one
that
was
conducted
in
2020,
so
I
know
that
system
well,
and
there
are
many
other
cities
that
are
on
there
and
so
you'll
find.
If
you
check
you
know
a
wide
cast,
a
wide
net.
You'll
find
all
of
these
methods
represented.
For
example,
the
county
is
simply
citizen,
Le
and
completely
independent.
AB
They
don't
have
to
go
back
to
the
County
Commission
others
who
have
citizen
Le,
though
those
always
have
to
come
back
to
the
governing
body,
because
the
governing
body
is
the
only
one
that
can
pass
an
ordinance
to
get
it
on
the
ballot.
So
that's
why
that
works
that
way
and
and
you'll
find
a
mixture
of
both
of
those.
If
you
look
cast
in
that
wide
enough
and
I'm
ready
for
any
questions
that
you.
AB
AB
AB
It's
not
in
the
charter,
or
at
least
it
wasn't,
and
then
they'll
put
a
subcommittee
of
people
together
to
figure
out
whether
that's
something
they
want
to
stick
in
the
charter
or
another
thing:
not
that
was
not
in
the
charter
split
Oak
Forest.
That
was
a
big
issue
when
I
was
there
not
in
the
charter,
so
we're
going
to
study.
AB
Do
we
want
to
put
it
in
the
charter
and
if
we
do
what's
that,
look
like
so
that's
a
kind
of
a
different
animal
and
really
not
representative
of
what
you
would
see
at
the
municipal
level.
But
orange
countyy
is
a
major
County.
It's
super
large
and
it's
got
built
into
its
Charter
this
method,
but
you're
not
going
to
find
that
method.
Other
places.
D
O
G
H
To
insert
complexity
where
there's
Simplicity
in
its
form
today
and
you've
talked
from
that
seat
several
times
where
a
council
Le
Charter
review
is
practical
and
I
know
that
commissioner
Smith
has
said
kind
of
this
combo
route
too.
I
I
appreciate
that
but
like
if
you
think
about
the
form
of
these
meetings
and
throw
out
how
much
time
we
allocate
whatever.
But
if
we
said
okay,
we're
going
to
tackle
article
one
in
one
meeting
yeah
and
you
and
you
subdivide
each
one
of
those
you
could
take
one
by
one.
H
Let's
call
it
there's
10
items
in
article
one
I'm
just
making
up
a
number
here,
but
you
could
start
off
that
meeting
by
saying,
okay
public
input.
We
are
going
to
talk
about
this
item
right
now.
Is
there
any
public
input
that
you
have
that
you
would
want
to
influence
the
the
desires
of
this
Council
to
contemplate?
H
You
know
people
have
talked
about
multi-member
districts
or
single
member
districts,
forms
of
government
term
limits,
Etc
right,
and
so
when
we
contemplate
that
it
would
be
nice
to
say,
okay,
there's
a
little
bit
of
insights
as
we're
coming
into
the
meeting
to
say:
okay,
if
you
do
these
things,
here's
what
you
have
to
consider
and
here's
the
consequences
of
of
taking
that
action,
so
I
would
want
to
be
respectful.
If
we
do
get
to
a
point
tonight
that
say
Hey.
This
is
the
form.
AB
Okay,
so
those
are
there's
a
lot
of
wrapped
up
in
there,
but
fortunately
I
know
about
literally
everything.
You
just
said
so,
starting
with
the
issue
of
of
how
much
time
does
it
take
to
prep?
Well,
the
first
thing
you
think
of
is,
and
the
first
thing
you
should
do,
particularly
if
it's
going
to
be
counseled
and
I,
don't
have
to
go
through
the
whole
Sunshine,
Law
and
and
public
records
issue
with
you
guys.
It
is
to
set
a
schedule
and
the
schedule
will
do
a
couple
of
things.
AB
They
don't
have
to
wait
till
the
public
period,
as
I
mentioned.
They
can
say,
oh
they're,
going
to
be
doing
that.
Let
me
look
at
that.
One
and
I'm
going
to
send
you
a
detailed
memo
right
now.
The
citizens
can
do
that,
and
sometimes
in
Orange
County
in
particular,
they
did,
but
in
in
citizen
in
cities
that
I've
done.
That.
Rarely
is
the
case
unless
it's
a
hot
button
issue
that
everybody
knows
going.
In
example,
hot
button
issue
go
to
any
Beach
Community
and
talk
about
raising
the
heights
of
buildings.
AB
You'll
fill
the
chambers
go
to
any
Beach
Community
or
in
some
other
communities
and
say:
well,
we
want
more
liquor
licenses.
Oh
no!
We
don't
well
there'll,
be
a
debate
you
can
guarantee,
but
for
most
stuff
it
it
it's
not
generally
you'll
ask
for
participation.
You
probably
won't
get
much.
So
unless
it's
a
known
hot
button
issue,
a
good
example
here
might
be,
and
I
guess,
I,
don't
know
the
form
of
government
or
term
limits.
AB
AB
Most
of
the
items
you
will
vote
on
or
decide
to
send
to
the
voters
won't
have
a
per
se
Financial
impact,
bigger
ones
like
Council
manager,
former
government
versus
strong
mayor
former
government
would
and
we'll
have
to
identify
those
and
those
that
do
you
might
spend
more
time
on.
You
might
ask
for
a
budget
analysis
from
from
your
financial
director
or
things
of
that
nature.
AB
If
the
issue
is
there
and
again,
depending
on
which
cycle
you
try
to
get
on
for
election,
you
can
make
enough
time
one
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned
in
my
memo
ear
that
was
I,
think
distributed
earlier
to
you
guys.
You
folks
is
that
when
you
get
to
an
issue
where
you
get
stuck
like,
we
got
kind
of
hung
up
on
on
on
issue
number
one
on
the
agenda
today
in
a
charter
review.
AB
AB
We
put
it
out
to
the
public
and
say:
hey
we're
struggling
with
this
isue
we'd
like
your
input
and
we
invite
more
people
to
show
up
I
promise
you
it
doesn't
guarantee,
they
actually
will,
but
you
give
it
the
opportunity,
and
then
you
say
this
meeting
is
about
this
specific
issue
which
might
be
in
this
specific
article
and
sometimes
you'll
have
two
or
three
of
those
and
recently
the
review
I
did
in
etville.
There
were
two
or
three
parking
lot
issues.
AB
One
was
strong
mayor,
one
was
the
issue
of
term
limits
and
there
was
an
issue
about
putting
in
the
charter
which
it
didn't
have
actual
requirements
for
qualification
for
office
and
those
they
couldn't
decide
on
the
spot.
They
wanted
to
have
some
input
from
the
citizens
and
before
they
made
a
decis
decision
as
to
what
was
going
to
go
on
the
ballot.
AB
So
that's
an
example
and
it
allows
your
meetings
to
move
along,
particularly
if
you
self-impose
a
deadline,
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
do
this,
but
we're
going
to
go
to
this
two2
hour
at
a
time
we
don't
want
to
get
worn
out.
We
want
to
be
fresh
and
you'll
move
right
through
it.
They
did
the
entire
Charter
in
three
meetings
and
then
they
decided
they
wanted
more
meetings
of
citizens
as
I
mentioned,
so
we
had
more
meetings
with
citizens
and
ended
up
in
the
exact
same
place.
We
were
before
the
citizens.
H
G
H
Idea
of
you
know:
if
we
decide
to
do
this,
you
know
kick
come
January.
You
know
we're
we're
scheduling
and
having
these
these
discussions
because,
like
I
said,
I
mean
this.
This
Charter
is
not
long
yeah
and
you
know
getting
a
Cadence.
You
know
come
January
1st,
whatever
that
January
February
you
know,
soort
time
frame
is
that
would
be
my
desire.
G
H
Because
it
hasn't
been
done
in
quite
sometime
having
a
realistic
expectation
of
proper
prep
work,
Community
involvement
us
contemplating
it
with
critical
thinking
having
time
for
us
to
iterate.
If
we
need
to
you
know,
like
you
said,
if
we've
got
parking
lot
items
which
not
to
beat
the
transportation
horse
from
earlier.
AA
H
A
K
W
Same
here
now,
I
mean
I'
definitely
done
a
lot
of
research.
I
was
also
at
that
meeting
Monday
watching
Orange
County's
process,
and
there
was
definitely
a
lot
of
inefficiencies
built
into
that
process
so
and
that
wasn't
from
public
input.
It
was
just
from
the
multiple
subcommittees
that
they
just
keep
coming
up
with
that
you,
don't
you
don't
have
a
say
on
x,
y
and
z
in
the
charter.
That's
a
policy
issue.
It's
not
a
charter
issue,
so
trying
to
direct
that
I.
W
A
R
Albert
mckimm
3603
golden
gem
Road.
As
you
know,
there's
a
certain
amount
of
us
been
interested
in
Charter
re
review
for
some
time,
and
we've
done
some
research
on
how
the
the
members
of
the
public
that
we
know
feel
about
it
and
6.
Eight
months
ago
we
might
have
thought
differently,
but
over
the
last
six
months,
as
a
number
of
the
Commissioners
here,
proed
themselves
to
the
people
of
Apopka,
and
we
have
no
problem
with
a
council
driven
Charter
review
going
to
be
interested
and
I.
R
A
H
AB
H
G
H
But
then
that's
not
I
know
people
have
gotten
up
here
and
said
well,
you're,
forcing
in
two
hour
whatever,
but
to
your
point
it's
we.
We
try
and
get
through
two
articles.
If
we
can
great,
if
not
if
we
got
a
whole
bunch
of
parking
lot
items.
Okay,
we
table
it.
We
go
to
a
fourth
meeting
right
and
circle.
AB
And
I
will
take
that
in
consideration
when
I
try
to
figure
out
how
to
break
it
up.
Let
let
me
let
me
say
this
too,
because
I
don't
want
citizens
or
the
council
to
misunderstand
I:
do
not
wait
into
the
Waters
of
the
controversial,
because
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
Council,
Leed
or
or
Council
manager.
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
strong
mayor
I,
don't
care,
that's
not
a
problem
issue
from
the
law
side.
So
that's
for
y'all.
AB
What
I
talk
about
is
and
I
don't
think
it's
a
problem
in
the
popkas
charter,
but
it
has
been
a
lot
of
other
places:
okay,
gender
neutrality,
yeah.
We
should
probably
put
that
in
so
it's
not
councilman
is
always
he
or
mayor
is
always
he
or
city
manager
is
always
he,
as
opposed
to
you
know
some
other
gender
neutral
term.
I.
Look
for
things
like
okay.
How
would
this
happen?
If
there
was
a
tie?
AB
How
would
we
is
there
a
way
to
get
us
past
that,
because
I've
seen
headaches
happen
that
yall
may
not
have
yet
seen
and
I
try
to
anticipate
those,
so
my
suggestions
are
based
on
I
know.
This
could
be
a
problem
if
you
don't
think
so
we
don't
mess
with
it.
But
this
is
why
I'm
bringing
it
to
your
attention
so.
G
AB
A
What
if
he
comes
back
with
that?
What
that
looks
like
what
he
sees
as
potential
and
then
we
can
weigh
in
yeah,
say:
hey.
We
think
you
need
to
look
at
this.
This
wasn't
contemplated
in
in
Cliff
Shephard's
original,
so
that
if
we
we
see
additional
things
or
we
think
we
see
things
that
we
don't
want
him
to
delve
into
you.
Just
GNA
go
line
by.
A
AB
AB
Surprisingly,
this
is
not
how
it
worked,
and
so
they
she
picked
the
one
she
wanted.
They
wouldn't
confirm
and
she
wasn't
willing
to
pick
anybody
else,
and
there
was
no
way
to
get
a
vice
mayor.
That
we're
trying
to
fix
same
with
appointments
to
department
heads
like
fire,
public
works
or
whatever
she
can
make
an
appointment,
but
if
they
don't
confirm
it,
they
stay
as
interim
forever
and
that's
not
a
good
solution.
So
that's
a
that's,
not
me
dictating
policy,
say
I
see
a
problem
here.
Maybe
you
should
try
to
fix
it.
That's
different.
H
AB
H
A
D
I
So
I
have
been
asked
to
at
the
direction
of
the
Council
on
the
September
6
meeting
to
get
some
information
together
for
the
consideration
of
renaming
Columbus
Day
to
indigenous
people's
day.
So
as
according
to
the
calendar,
Columbus
Day
has
always
been
recognized
as
a
national
holiday.
Since
Des
designated
by
Franklin
D
Roosevelt
in
1934
in
1971
Congress
changed
the
date
from
October
12th
to
the
2
Monday
of
October
Columbus
Day
celebrations
in
the
United
States
were
meant
to
honor
the
legacy
of
the
man
credited
with
discovering
the
new
world.
I
The
earliest
known
Columbus
Day
celebration
dates
back
to
August
August
12th
1792
on
the
thir
300th
anniversary
of
his
Landing
in
1970
South
Dakota.
Currently,
the
state
with
the
third
largest
population
of
Native
Americans
in
the
US,
became
the
first
state
to
officially
recognize
Native
Americans
day
now
commonly
referred
to
as
indigenous
people's
day
in
other
parts
of
the
country,
but
in
two,
but
by
the
2010,
indigenous
people
today
gain
Steam
and
it
was
adopted
by
scores
of
cities,
states
around
the
nation.
I
Some
states
honor
both
Columbus
Day
and
Indigenous
people's
day
While
others
have
renamed
it
entirely.
Currently,
a
a
dozen
states
and
the
District
of
Columbia
now
recognize
indigenous
people's
day.
So
as
you're
aware,
the
city
does
not
currently
recognize
this
as
a
as
a
holiday,
and
we
have.
We
don't
really
have
a
celebration
per
se
for
columb
day,
so
it's
I'm
going
to
leave
it
up
to
the
council.
Okay,.
B
All
right
since
I
brought
this
up
at
the
last
council
meeting,
I
received
several
emails
and
with
a
lot
of
information,
a
lot
of
resources
to
go
to
and
look
at
to
get
some
information,
and
so
after
doing
that,
research
and
listening
to
those
individuals
that
did
email
and
I
responded,
I
think
to
all
of
them.
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
leave
Columbus
Day
as
is,
and
that
we,
as
a
city
of
apka,
recognize
August
the
9th
each
year
as
indous
people's
day.
Okay,
that's
my.
AB
H
O
H
Columbus
Day
is
still
a
federally
recognized
holiday.
I
mean
we're
not
going
to
change
that.
It's
like
we've
talked
about
here
before
we
get
kind
of
it's
kind
of
like
when
we
get
some
of
the
local
stuff
preempted
by
the
state.
I,
don't
think
that
we
want
to
preempt
federal
holidays,
it
just
cause
confusion.
I
will
note,
though
we
may
not
recognize
it,
but
if
we
all
look
at
our
iPads
for
that
Monday,
it
does
say
Columbus,
Day
and
Indigenous
day.
People.
H
G
D
Yeah
it,
it
was
only
after
I
got
a
few
emails
that
I
started
to
really
research.
You
know
what
is
indigenous
people's
day
and
Columbus
Day
and
why
it
was
kind
of
designated
the
same
day
and
then,
of
course,
I
found
this.
That
said,
in
order
to
raise
awareness
of
the
needs
of
these
population
groups,
every
August
every
9th
day
of
August
commemorates
the
International
Day
of
world's
indigenous
peoples,
so
I
couldn't
understand
how
it
was
only
two
years
ago
that
they
actually
Incorporated
and
made
it
Columbus
Day
and
Indigenous.
D
But
it
was
commissioner
Smith
who
brought
it
up
and
I
even
looked
to
see
where
we
got
that
request
from,
and
that
was
back
in
July,
and
that
was
from
a
a
gentle,
Mr,
John,
Williams
and
I
I,
don't
know
who
he
is
and
I
remember
getting
two
or
three
emails
from
him,
so
I
I
I'm,
going
to
concur
with
commissioner
Smith.
Is
we're
not
going
to
recommend
a
change
I,
don't
think
we
were
going
for
a
change.
A
Yeah
I
just
want
to
let
you
know:
I
had
Stephen
crib,
who
was
our
takes
care
of
our
popular
youth
works.
I
had
him
starting
to
look
into
some
to
trying
to
find
out
when
if
there
was
a
date,
when
the
Indians
came
to
Lake
a
papka,
you
know
and
I
couldn't
find
the
Native
Americans
when
they
came
so
trying
to
come
up
with
that
day
and
use
that
as
our
day,
because
I
think
it'd
be
neat
to
have
a.
A
Of
the
people
that
that
that
that
live
there
on
Lake,
a
Popa,
you
know,
I've
got
friends,
have
got
a
lot
of
arrowheads
and
pottery
and
all
that
from
those
days
and
it
would
been
neat
to,
but
obviously
it
was
way
before.
All
that
came
to
to
pass
and
so
I
know.
Chuck
came
up
with
found
this
one
and
gave
this
all
to
the
the
indigenous
people
day
in
August,
so
I
think
that's
I,
think
it
it.
It.
H
H
Didn't
know
that
about
the
August
9th
but
as
CL
bone
read
too
there's
generally
accepted.
This
idea
of
indigenous
people
day
on
the
same
day
is
Columbus
Day
again
I'm
not
suggesting
to
rename
it
I'm
just
saying
that
it
doesn't
hurt
us
to
there's
a
certain
amount
of
the
population
that
does
want
to
honor
indigenous
people
on
that
day
as
well.
O
H
Yeah
I
think
we
should
fully
embrace
all
honoring,
I
I.
Don't
think,
there's
enough
there's
limit
on
how
much
you
can
honor
folks
the
way
that
they
want
to
be
honored
but
yeah,
I,
I
I,
hope
that
the
folks
at
you
know
in
the
red
shirts
that
in
his
room,
didn't
feel
like
we
were
going
to
like
totally
rename
or
rebadge.
G
T
Z
H
Because,
again,
colist
day
is
you
know,
there's
there's
many
opinions
about
what
happened
after
he
landed
here
and
discovered
the
new
world
right
I
mean
there's,
there's
people
that
have
good
opinions,
bad
opinions,
but
the
fact
is
that
a
lot
of
people
we
wouldn't
be
sitting
in
this
room
had
that
not
transpired,
but
at
the
same
time
the
treatment
of
those
who
were
here
first
has
to
be
recognized
as
well.
We
do
that
in
August,
9th
October
9th
that's
in
our
iPad.
We
should
feel
inclined
to
do
that.
J
J
J
A
H
D
I
Ordinance
number
3010
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Apopka
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apapa
comprehensive
plant
of
the
city
of
apapa.
Changing
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
industrial
to
commercial
for
certain
real
property,
generally
located
east
of
semon
commer
Place
West
of
Lake
Pleasant
Road
and
north
of
State
Road
436
owned
by
shake
the
nation's
Ministries
Inc,
comprising
2.4,
Acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
conflict
and
an
effective
date.
A
G
A
G
I
I'm
sorry
so
ordinance
number
319
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Papa
Florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopa
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apaba.
Changing
the
future
land
use
designation
from
mixed
use
to
Industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
west
of
hoko
poka
Road
and
North
of
State
Road,
P
14
owned
by
the
ridge,
self
stor
storage,
LLC
comprising
12.25,
Acres,
more
or
less,
providing
for
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
A
Any
changes,
no
CH.
Anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter.
Not
will
close
the
public
hearing
look
for
motion
to
adopt
ordinance
number
39,
so
move
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
Smith.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
Nesta,
all
those
in
favor
I
I.
All
oppos
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
ordinance,
number
3020,
ordinance.
A
A
AC
H
AC
The
well,
the
main
information
that
was
changed
had
to
do
with
one
of
the
section
numbers
referencing
Florida
statute,
so
that
there
wasn't
any
conflict
with
these
changes
in
as
it
relates
to
Senate
Bill
250.
For
for
for
Florida
Statutes,
it
was
just
clarification
on
Section
we
created
a
new
section
N9
and
a
new
section
10,
so
that
there
was
not
any
conflict
with
State
statutes.
A
G
I
Number
3
322
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
apapa
Florida,
amending
the
code
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
aapka
Florida
by
amending
chapter
18,
building
and
building
regulations.
Section
18-49
by
amending
the
rejection
or
correction
notices,
bees
providing
for
codification
providing
for
severability
providing
for
conflict
and
setting
an
effective
date.
A
G
G
I
Next,
up
ordinance,
324
ordinance,
3024,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopa
Florida
to
extend
its
Territorial
and
Municipal
limits
to
Annex
pursuant
to
Florida
statute.
17
71044,
the
here
and
after
described,
land
situated
and
being
in
Orange
County
Florida
owned
by
SNP
Properties
LLC,
located
on
the
Southeast
corner
of
Plymouth,
sento
Road
and
Dalman
Drive,
comprising
5
Acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
directions
to
the
city,
clerk,
severability
conflicts
and
an
effective
date.
A
W
W
W
So
a
lot
going
on,
unfortunately,
I'm
going
to
be
missing,
but
that
just
brought
up
the
911
event,
which
is
very
nice
I,
just
thought
it
may
have
been
a
little
more
appropriate
to
have
the
vice
mayor
kind
of
fill
in
for
you,
while
you
were
out
so
just
something
that
I
think
moving
forward,
let's
just
kind
of
all
Let
each
other
know
when
we're
going
to
be
out
just
so,
we
can
all
kind
of
fill
in
as
needed
moving
forward.
Second,
one
is
meeting
minutes
from
my
understanding.
W
The
process
is
the
minut
are
written
and
then
sent
out
within
the
next
week.
Basically,
as
a
kind
of
rough
draft-
and
my
ask
if
all
the
council
approves
is
to
have
that
rough
draft
sent
to
the
full
Council
so
that
we
have
a
little
more
time
to
review
it
completely
and
then
provide
updates
from
there
as
well.
Just
so,
it's
not
here
to
to
ride
it
upfront,
basically.
W
A
W
K
A
AC
Yeah,
the
old
maintenance
Barn
that
Orange
County
deed
over
to
us,
but
yeah
we've
got
a
pocket
park
that
was,
we've
got
funding
through
the
CRA
for
that
portion,
and
then
we
got
four
extra
Lots.
We've
already
had
it
surveyed
for
all
four
or
all.
Actually,
five
of
those
lots
and
U
also
have
a
a
plat
ready
to
go.
When
we
decide
we
want
to
do
it
and.
A
Now
the
only
problem
that's
come
up
as
Rob
would
tell
us,
is:
we've
got
some
Fiber.
That
goes
goes
from
that
the
old
Maintenance
building
to
across
the
street,
which
still
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
with
that
Rob.
You
want
to
kind
of
give
a
where's
this
property.
Again,
it's
30.
You
know
where
it's
at
the
old
Main,
M
Barn.
K
Robert
liation
technology
director,
so
we
currently
have
fiber
running
from
our
fire
department
straight
down
the
I
guess:
I'll
call
it
the
bike
path
now
used
to
be
the
old
rail
track
there,
and
it
goes
directly
into
that
building
at
e
and
Highland.
Currently,
so
we're
going
to
pull
the
fiber
back
out,
we'll
just
put
a
pull
box
closer
to
Highland
and
8th
Street,
and
from
there
we're
going
to
have
to
go
under
the
street
to
get
back
over
to
the
fuel
Island.
K
We
have
three
separate
devices
that
are
running
off
of
fiber
over
there
there.
So
Public
Services
assist
us
in
locating
that
fiber
over
there.
So
it
shouldn't
be
a
horrible
issue,
but
there
is
going
to
be
there's
going
to
be
a
cost
Associated
to
do
it.
It's
not
something.
I
can
just
pull
out
and
move
so
and.
W
W
A
A
W
D
G
AA
D
AB
Well,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
whether
right
now
my
concern
was
that
you
don't
have
a
procedure,
and
so,
if
you
tell
me
you
want
me
to
draft
one
or
come
up
with
one
or
just
go:
I
I,
don't
I!
I
can
come
up
with
one
it
may
or
may
not
suit
you,
but
it'll
be
a
place
to
start
it's
up
to
you
guys,
but
right
now,
I'm
just
saying
you
don't
have
one.
P
AB
E
W
B
AC
A
W
G
J
A
K
W
G
D
D
I
couldn't
stay
for
the
whole
thing,
I
left
about
5:30
and
it
was
still
going
on
so,
but
it
was
a
nice
day
I
also
on
the
same
day,
I
also
attended
a
really
annual
event
that
Hope
Community
had,
and
that
was
the
swearing
in
of
new
American
citizens
and
there
were
I,
think
20
or
25
that
were
swor,
and
so
that's
a
big
deal
for
them,
and
so
I'm
always
happy
to
go
and
and
support
that.
Then,
of
course
you
know,
we
already
spoke
about
the
Orange
County
Charter
review.
D
D
A
D
Have
yeah,
but
no
it's
too
late!
Now
that
youve
announced
it
and
then
we
all
I,
think
all
of
us
got
received.
I
should
say
an
email
from
Emerson
Park
for
a
fall
festival
for
Sunday
September
24th,
so
I'm
I'm,
gonna
kind
of
go
online
with
everyone
that
Friday
I'm
not
available
for
the
swearing
and
I
apologize,
because
I
do
I,
always
feel
it's
an
honor
to
be
where
the
swearing
in
for
the
police
officers
and
Saturday
I
will
be
around
Sunday
I'm,
not
too
sure.
D
If
I'm
going
to
be
around
because
I'll
have
my
grandkids,
so
I
don't
know
if
I
have
to
drive
them
back
to
South
Florida.
So
that's
a
you
know,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
that
Emerson
Park
has
the
Fall,
Festival
and
I
want
to
thank
Miss
Jennifer
hay
for
extending
the
invitation
other
than
that.
I
have
nothing
else
all
right!.
AD
Chuck,
yes,
sir
I've
got
all
of
y'all
in
one
room
now
and
I
gave
you
a
calendar
for
October
and
November
I
know.
Can
you
all
please
give
Bradley
and
myself
a
consensus
date
to
have
the
WIA
Workshop
out
there
at
camp?
We
excuse
me.
The
camp
wewalk
I
thought
we
already
I
thought
we
there
was.
We
put
I
put
out
a
date
last
week,
but
I
had
another
commissioner
say
he
had
a
conflict,
so
I
need
you
all
to
get
on
one
page.
It
was
me.
AD
A
D
AD
G
H
AD
D
AD
The
the
purpose
was
to
get
you
all
together
and
I
know.
Commissioner
nesto
wanted
to
look
for
long
range
planning.
What
the
what
you
all
envisioned
the
outcome
of
that
camp
to
be,
you
know,
is
more
for
profit
or
is
it
more
for
leisure
and
that's?
What
we
need
to
do
is
get
direction
from
the
council
as
to
what
direction
you
all
would
like
to
go
with
that
property.
D
G
A
W
W
G
A
B
AB
D
A
Good
all
right,
let's
see
I
guess
me
last,
not
least,
listen,
I,
I
I
think
we
Haden
really
gotten
on
the
same
page
as
far
as
what
we
want
to
do
on
the
south
pop
anization,
so
I,
really
impressive,
lady
came
to
meet
with
me.
I
can't
even
remember
about
what,
but
anyway
this
is
kind
of
in
her
wheelhouse.
Here
are
some
suggestions.
I
would
say
why,
don't
you
take
a
look
at
them?
Let's
bring
it
back
next
council
meeting,
whatever
y'all
want
to
do.
A
P
A
X
A
That's
that
Next
Step
Foundation,
you
know,
is
Thursday
night
tomorrow
night
6:30
here
in
City
Hall
got
an
interesting
opportunity
to
work
with
the
national
entrepreneural
Center
they're,
going
to
do
a
and
learn
at
at
at
our
community
center
on
November
the
7th
at
11:30.
So
they're
going
to
come
over
there.
A
You
know
they're
the
ones
they're
over
in
the
old
I
call
the
old
fashioned
Square,
Mall
and
anyway
reconnected
with
some
of
the
folks
over
there,
and
they
wanted
to
come
out
and
see
what
they
could
do
to
to
partner
with
us
in
the
chamber.
So
anyway,
National
entrepreneurs
Center
lunch
and
learn
November
7th,
which
is
a
Tuesday
at
11:30.
At
the
Pap
Community
chamber,
Papa
Community
Center,
along
with
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
okay
Hispanic
heritage,
found
celebration
great
event.
A
A
I'd
like
to
you
know,
give
a
shout
out
to
Jose
Hernandez
Norva
Carrington
Eugene,
Martin,
Rosa,
Paulson,
Mark,
Wright,
mayor
Bell,
wrinkle,
Larry,
Laura,
George,
Lane,
ASO,
yessie,
Garcia,
Sylvester,
Hall
and
Yani
Lashley,
which
are
the
Dei
committee
and
special
thanks
to
Stephen
crib
for
kind
of
heading
it
up
for
the
Dei
committee
and
thanks
to
the
parks,
Rec
staff
that
made
that
event
a
success.
So
it
was
a
a
great
day.
I
think.
A
lot
of
the
vendors
were
I'm
extremely
happy
and
was
a
great
day
so
with.