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The Apopka City Council will approve and set the proposed Fiscal Year 2024 Millage Rate on July 26, 2023 at 7 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: https://www.apopka.gov/agenda
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A
D
E
Good
evening
so
before
you
tonight,
we
are
here
to
basically
set
the
proposed
military
for
FY
23
24
budget.
The
request
will
be
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
powerpoint
presentation
is
to
set
the
road
bike.
Village
rate
for
23
tax
year
at
3.6691
to
move
to
set
the
proposed
operate,
millage
rate
for
23
tax
year
at
the
4.1876
and
to
move
to
set
and
place
the
public
hearing
and
tentative
public
hearing
for
fiscal
year.
2023
2024
as
Wednesday
September
6
2023
at
5,
15
PM
in
the
city
hall,
council
chambers.
E
Of
some
of
the
highlights
in
the
general
fund
in
regards
to
the
revenue,
our
Avalon
taxes
have
increased,
reflected
in
the
16.15
percent
increase
due
to
the
growth
that
we
have.
As
everyone
knows,
the
building
permits
are
going
up
so
we're
reflecting
not
140
percent
increase
in
that
plan,
analysis
fees,
same
reason:
2.5
percent,
2.5
million
dollar
increase,
255
percent,
increase,
re-inspection
fees
and
again
I
want
to
say
now.
You
know
we
were
coming
out
of
covet
when
you're
going
into
22
and
23.
E
You
didn't
really
know
what
your
growth
was
going
to
rebound
to
so
we're
kind
of
truing
up
everything
at
this
point
in
time,
based
on
what
we're
have
coming
in
for
FY
23.,
again,
the
reinspection
fees,
128
000
increase.
E
That's
we
have
a
fee
increase
on
that,
so
it's
going
up
about
640
percent
state
revenue,
sharing,
19.27
local
sales,
tax,
a
million
1.2
million,
that's
13.84
percent,
main
search
fees,
looking
at
an
increase
there
and
that's
going
up
100
K
43.14,
some
special
event
and
activities
and
events
for
the
amphitheater,
increasing
that
from
30
to
60
000
per
year
and
again
here's
the
interest
on
investments.
E
D
Before
you
go
any
part,
let
me
this
is
kind
of
just
an
interesting
fact.
I
was
looking
at
the
the
the
Advil
arm
so
which
is
based
on
the
assessed
value
versus
the
property
value
and
because
of
save
our
home,
and
even
you
ever
saved
Commercial
Business.
You
know,
10
Max
increases
on
Commercial
and
the
three
percent
save
our
home.
Our
assessed
value
to
the
property
values.
It
is
only
63
percent,
so
if,
if
so,
we're
we're
getting
where
I
think
we're
our
assessed
value
is
six
billion
dollars.
D
E
Enter
so
anyway,
guys
to
the
general
fund
expenditures
in
the
information
that
you
have,
we
have
about
82
million
and
total
is
85.
E
Remember,
I,
said
I
set
aside
some
funds
for
salary
adjustments,
some
of
those
salary
changes
that
we
want
to
make
that's
about
2.8
million
at
this
time,
so
our
balanced
budget
of
about
85
million
and
during
the
discussions
we
did
have
some
conversations
about
adding
the
additional
fire
captain
and
I
think
adding
125k
for
training
and
for
that
Bay
Ridge,
Cemetery,
clearing,
75
000
and
we're
backing
out
that
point
to
point
Tower
system
that
Rob
had
he
said
he
didn't
need.
E
He
wants
to
kill
me
by
the
way,
but
anyway,
it's
being
backed
out
and
we're
adding.
You
know
the
travel
that
was
inadvertently
not
put
back
in
for
the
mayor
and
for
the
clerk,
so
that's
12-5.
So
that
brings
us
to
85
2,
but
at
the
85.5
just
wanted
to
share
with
you,
85
million
22
223
out
of
25
threshold
Target
for
our
reserves
is
that
21.255
even
adding
and
making
those
other
reductions
we're
still?
It
only
takes
it
up
to
21.3,
okay,.
H
H
So
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
an
ordinance
and
with
the
standards
manual
for
submittal
that
information
and
we'll
we'll
make
that
inclusive
there
and
see
if
we
can't
resolve
the
tagging
that
needs
to
be
achieved
for
the
ADA
compliance
and
see
where
we
get
with
that.
If
that's
acceptable
to
y'all
I
I
think
you
know,
when
you
look
at
those
PDFs
that
should
be
on
the
developer,
to
provide
us
with
all
the
necessary
information
to
meet
that
requirement.
C
E
The
fire
truck
the
radio
system
down
for
police
and
fire
again
I've
mentioned
that
we
increased
the
improve
their
transfer,
the
streets
fund
for
sidewalks
and
Paving
LED
lights,
I
think
that
was
brought
up
for
rec
Recreation
police
vehicles
for
the
10
new
officers
that
he
will
be
getting
some
facility.
Capital
Equipment
fire
replacement,
the
fire
department,
their
replacement
staff
vehicles
in
the
miscellaneous
fire
equipment
for
that
92.
So
that's
how
we
are
assigning
that
8
million
114
779.,
so.
C
E
Am
getting
to
that
so
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
how
it
works
a
little
bit
and
you'll
see
it
right.
There
is
that
1.2
million
dollars
to
answer
your
question.
E
These
are
the
audited
general
fund,
balance
assigned
and
unassigned
Reserve
amounts
in
regards
to
culture
and
recreation,
755
capital
projects
we
assigned
13.2
and
insurance
about
500K
in
regards
to
the
unassigned
with
24.9.
The
unassigned
is
where
we
target
that
25
percent,
so
remember,
I,
mentioned
before
because
of
I
used
the
budget
for
a
23
budget
and
then
the
amendment
to
factor
in
where
we
stand
so
in
regards
to
the
general
fund
that
was
balanced
with
the
use
of
Reserves
at
about
2.5
2.6
million.
E
As
far
we've
had
about
1.1
in
budget
amendments,
for
that
for
the
general
fund
account
leaving
a
balance
of
21.233089
so
that
we
are
within
that
Target
of
25
percent,
so
in
the
balances
for
the
cultural
and
Recreation
the
755k
capital
projects,
we
still
have
about
1.3
in
Insurance.
Another
three
point:
three
hundred
and
ten
thousand.
E
E
E
So
just
to
share
with
you
some
of
the
village
and
the
rollback
calculations.
The
mayor
was
mentioning
that
our
tax
Base
is
almost
six
a
billion
or
six
million
a
million
numbers,
but
it's
5.9
and
at
that
4.18
military.
The
current
medalist
rate,
is
what
is
reflected
in
our
budget.
Is
the
23.7
million
we're
looking
at
it
from
our
tax
base
of
16.2
percent
increase
over
the
FY
23
tax
base?
E
And
if
we're
at
the
rollback
rate,
of
course,
that'll
decrease
our
tax
revenue
about
2.7,
but
adding
0.1
to
the
millage
rate,
we're
looking
at
at
the
maintain
the
current
rate
you
see
where
that
stands.
That's
that
16.2
percent
increase
adding
1.1
to
the
meal.
We
get
looking
at
additional
revenue
of
565
and
0.25
and
0.5
in
one
meal.
E
That's
what
we're
looking
at,
however,
in
regards
to,
we
are
proposing
basically
the
the
stay
at
the
current
mileage
rate
at
the
4.1876.
That's
what
we
use
to
balance
the
budget
and,
of
course,
that
robe
rollback
rate
is
the
3.6691
I've
submitted
the
dr420
forms
to
the
Department
of
Revenue
and
they
have
certified
those
forms.
Yeah.
E
D
C
Commissioner,
blast
was
too:
if
you
look
on
on
your
iPad,
it's
it's.
That's
posted
at
the
bottom
of
the
stories.opengov
that
we've
been
looking
at
for
the
general
fund
description,
scroll,
all
the
way
down,
it's
a
little
bit
bigger
and
you
can
zoom
in
on
what
you
need
to
as
well.
B
Wait
a
minute
open
that
go
so.
A
E
Just
so,
you
know
I
I
shared
over
the
break,
some
some
details
with
commissioner
Becker.
You
know
how
this
works
and
I.
E
And
keep
in
mind,
we
are
projecting
excess,
where
you
saw
me
back
out
that
2.5
that
will
probably
end
up
being
a
different
increase
as
well
so
I
these
were
Reserve
balances
would
get
even
better.
That
will
allow
us
to
reassign
some
more
funds
for
fy25
for
Capital
needs,
as
well
as
as
well
as
build
our
reserves.
So
at
this
point
we
are
doing
okay,
we're
doing
pretty
good
for
the
general
fund.
That's
why
we
are
proposing
the
4.18.
E
C
E
You
know
we're
projecting
an
increase
and
not
a
deficit.
Okay,
so
that
increase
will
increase
this
amount
instead
of
reduce
that
amount.
That'll
give
us
more
funds
that
we
can
allocate
again
some
up
here,
yes
and
have
we
got
a
lot
of
savings,
in
other
words,
as
you
heard,
the
police
chief,
he
talked
about
his
savings,
that's
where
that
goes.
Gotcha,
okay,.
D
Thank
you,
man,
I'll
tell
you
it's
a
very
precise
and
obviously
this
is
blanche's
first
time
at
this.
You
know
this.
This
is
Edward.
Had
this
on
the
back
of
his
you
know
hand,
and
we
we
don't
so.
I
I
My
pleasure
mayor,
thank
you.
Essentially
what
the
city
council
is
doing
tonight,
rescue
commission
is,
is
certifying
the
Department
of
Revenue
420
forms
what
you
are
looking
at
and
I've
seen
these
numbers
here.
Of
course,
the
current
year
proposed
millage
rate
is
4.1876,
keeping
the
the
millage
rate
the
same
some
of
the
calculations
that
I
can
go
over
very
quickly.
Your
current
roll
back
rate
3.6691
as
you've
seen
that's
also
calculated.
I
So
taking
that
into
account
and
working
through
the
sheet,
looking
at
last
year's
taxable
values
and
following
the
rules
there
per
the
form
that
takes
the
rollback
rate
and
upset
to
4.0117
for
terms
of
calculation,
there's
a
limit
under
chapter
205
as
to
it
basically
comes
into
your
voting
requirements
this
evening
and
to
the
amount
of
millage
that
there's
a
there
are
set
numbers
that
require
a
certain
amount
of
votes
for
this
proposed
millage
to
ultimately
get
you
to
the
next
stage
of
the
tentative
Village
stage.
I
Pardon
me
at
the
tenant
of
budget
hearing
pardon
me,
so
what
Florida
requires
you
to
do
is
then
adjust
put
it.
This
way,
simple
majority
vote.
The
maximum
millage
tonight
that
can
be
adopted
by
three
Commissioners
is
4.1256,
because
you
look
at
that
adjusted
millage
rate
and
you're,
adding
on
110
percent
to
that.
But
you
have
to
adjust
it
for
Florida
personal
income.
It's
all
been
done
by
dor
and
that
number
comes
out
to
that
4.1256.
I
So,
if
you're
going
to
go
above
that,
you
there's
also
a
similar
adjustment
that
takes
you
to
4.5382
so
tonight,
if
you're
going
to
adopt
a
proposed
millage
rate
between
those
two
numbers,
4.1256
above
that
number
has
been
has
been
proposed,
but
below
4.5382
or
up
to
including
that
number
then
it'll
take
four
votes
and
anything
above
that
if
military
is
going
to
be
set
above
4.5,
which
hasn't
been
discussed
at
all.
That,
of
course,
would
take
unanimous
vote.
I
G
A
I
G
I
G
G
A
G
The
on
the
revised
restated
number:
what
the
additions
from
the
past
couple
days.
That's
just
shy
of
25,
24.7
I!
Think!
Yes!
So,
even
if
even
if
we
add
some
other
Personnel
that
we
all
feel
is
needed
before
the
time
that
we
we
finalize
budget
I,
think
there's
some
room
there.
Because
again,
even
if
you
use
some
of
those
funds,
you
deepen
deepen
that
we
I
don't
think
that
we
would
be
in
in
Jeopardy
of
going
below
23
percent,
maybe
even
not
even
below
24
and
I.
E
G
A
G
I
I
believe
that
we've
got
enough
fluffer
to
be
able
to
do
some
additional
things
without
jeopardizing
the
reserve
policy,
and
things
like
that
now
you
know
I.
A
A
D
F
Once
we
set
the
military
based
on
the
tax
base
that
we
have
and
looking
at
the
growth
that
we're
experiencing,
that
would
not
increase.
This
is
a
certified.
E
A
G
G
C
G
D
E
And
but
my
the
point
is
at
the
4.18
again
I
mean
even
if
we
go
to
the
4.53
that
can
generate
maybe
1.9
million
but
I
think
we
have
adequate
funds.
You
know
in
our
reserves
and
we're
anticipating
the
excess
in
out
of
FY
23
we're
already
looking
at
increasing
fees
to
you
know
the
water
fees,
sanitation
fees
and
different
things
like
that
with
the
24
budget.
A
G
Short-Sighted
laser
focused
on
this
year,
but
we've
also
got
to
contemplate.
What's
going
to
happen
in
future
years
and
again,
the
first
inclination
anytime,
you
do
a
budget
Workshop
or
like
a
salary
study
or
rates
and
fees,
structures,
and
things
like
that.
You
always
Benchmark
yourself
against
other
municipalities
and.
A
G
G
G
C
C
So
it's
hard
for
us
to
say:
let's
make
sure
we're
at
X
point
because
I
don't
know
what
is
it
X,
Plus
y
or
is
it
x
minus
y
once
we
actually
get
there
once
we
get
the
plans
in
place,
so
the
biggest
thing
I
think
moving
forward
this
year
should
be
focused
on
creating
those
long-term
plans
in
each
department
making
sure
we
understand
the
needs
where
we're
growing
to
and
and
how
we're
going.
G
G
A
Know
what
does
our
strategic
plan
look
like?
What
is
our
Fleet.
G
The
schedule
look
like
because
again
it
should
be,
it
should
almost
go
like
reserve
style
funding
of
these
things.
Hey
I
know
like
we
were
talking
about
with
the
lift
stations.
I
know
they
don't
have
to
do
yeah
two
to
eight
of
them
per
year
and
I
know
that
my
average
cost
is
gonna,
be
this
okay.
This
should
be
we
wake
up
and
we
automatically
shovel
that
amount
into
that
fund
every
single
year
and
it
creates.
J
G
G
C
Want
even
someone
pointed
out
that
said,
we
do
have
these
needs,
but
we're
not
doing
it,
and
but
there
wasn't
a
some
of
them
didn't
even
have
you
know
a
dollar
amount
to
it,
because
it
takes
a
little
more
deeper
dive
to
figure
that
out.
So
it's
to
your
point
it
just
it's
a
lot.
We
need
to
create
a
new
system
to
make
sure
that
each
department
has
with
a
need
and
has
a
future
plan.
Everyone
needs
to
have
that
that
long-term
plan,
not
just
that
annual
plan.
E
C
B
How
are
the
you
know
the
taxpayers
going
to
feel
yet
the
taxpayers
have
reached
out
to
us
and-
and
they
say
we're
tired
of
just
keeping
the
lights
on
and
and
kind
of
piecemealing.
You
know
infrastructure
around
the
city
or
just
getting
what
we
need
to
get
by
until
next
year,
from
what
I
had
heard
from
the
different
departments,
they
have
enough
to
continue
the
level
of
service,
but
nothing
extra.
If
something
comes
up,
they're
going
to
rely
on
the
reserves
to
try
and
balance
it
I
mean.
E
What
we're
starting
with
in
this
budget
is,
are
the
increases
that
I
shared
with
you
for
the
fees,
six
percent
and
a
13.5
percent
on
the
sewer
rates.
Again,
as.
E
Need
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
rate
structure
again
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
make
some
improvements
there.
It
probably
should
be
at
a
higher
level
than
what
that
is.
B
C
But
that's
only
I
mean
that.
Well,
we
got
to
keep
in
mind
too,
though,
is
is
the
state
of
Florida
is
going
through
an
insurance
crisis
too
that
we
have
all
not
nobody's
immune
to
that
insurance
has
doubled,
not
tripled
for
a
lot
of
people,
and
it's
I
mean
it's
your
biggest
build
that
you
probably
have
on
more
than
maybe
your
mortgage
on
some
levels.
So
it's
it.
We've
got
to
be
really
cognizant
of
inflation
and
then
what
the
state
of
Florida
we
are
dealing
with
as
well.
Well,.
D
That
that's
been
I
mean
I.
Think
when
we
came
to
this,
you
know
and
I
just
want
a
big
shout
out
to
all
the
directors.
You
know
we
sat
down
with
each
of
them
and
you
know
really
worked
hard.
You
know
had
them,
you
know
sharpen
their
pencils
and
really
make
sure
that
we
were
covering
all
the
bases
we
needed
to
cover,
but
also
think
to
to
commissioner
nesta's
point:
is
insurance
rates
have
doubled
and
you
know,
and
we
could
have
if
we
wanted
to
go
to
actually
sound
on
sanitation.
D
It
had
been
37
increase
just
like
that.
If
we
wanted
to
go
to
to
the
Wastewater
rates
actuary
sound,
it's
plus
30,
probably
40
percent
there
water,
the
same
thing
so
I
didn't
want
the
rate
shock,
you
know
or
the
or
the
the
increases
in
all
these
things
with
with
an
economy
where,
obviously,
we've
lost,
you
know
real
wages.
I
just
didn't
think
this
was
the
year
to
to
do
things.
D
I
mean
I'd
love
to
have
another
million
dollars
in
streets,
I
mean
we
could
spend
that
in
in
you
know,
30
minutes,
but
I
just
think
this
was
a
responsible
budget
and
I
I
will
say.
The
director
did
an
amazing
job,
but
I'll
tell
you
I
I
know
it
was.
It
was
cumbersome,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
our
our
finance
team
worked
hours
and
hours
and
hours
to
get
the
best
they
could
out
of
a
pretty
poor,
Software,
System
and
so
I
I
I
can't
commit
I.
D
Think
I
can't
say
more
about
how
well
the
staff
is
has
responded
to.
You
know
a
pretty
tough
year
in
in
from
from
Public
Works
to
Parks
and
Rec
to
you,
you
name
it.
We
they've
really
come
together
and
and
I
think
as
a
team.
We
we've
we've
really
kind
of
all
come
together
and
figure
out.
Okay,
what's
really
a
priority,
and
you
know
some
it
was
give
and
take
between
each
of
the
Departments.
D
So
I
I
feel
I
feel
good
that
this
budget
and
I
think
if
we've
got
some
but
I
will
say
this.
If
we
do
have
extra
money,
I'm
not
sure
that
the
the
we
shouldn't
go
to
more
versus
having
more
employees,
I
think
we
need
to
be
I
would
hold
back
more
for
salary
improvements.
I
think
I
think
we're
going
to
be
shocked
by
some
of
the
numbers
that
we're
out
of
balance
on
based.
D
B
B
B
For
because
I
feel,
with
the
with
the
new
with
the
addition
of
employees,
we
will
be
able
to
keep
the
level
of
service
with
the
growing
city.
D
G
B
F
F
G
A
G
G
A
E
G
H
F
J
G
C
G
But
anyways
I've
never
been
shy
about
my
thoughts
on
the
millage
again
you.
G
Always
going
to
be
an
external
factor
that
are
going
to
impact
each
resident
within
our
city,
each
business
that
wants
to
do
business
here,
if
we
always,
you
know,
said
that
that's
an
excuse
for
us
not
to
do
anything
with
the
millage,
we're
always
going
to
have
an
excuse
or.
A
G
G
B
G
Well
again,
I
you
know
you
look
at
the
next
highest.
I
think
I
think
the
next
highest
one
is
Winter
Garden.
If
memory
serves
theirs
is
four
and
a
half
I,
don't
think
that
we
should
have
ever
reduced
it
before.
G
G
A
G
To
make
sure
that
our
city
can
run
properly
and
efficiently
for
our
residents
and
I
have
no
prob
I've,
never
received
an
email
from
anybody.
Saying
call
your
Bonkers
for
having
that
stance
on
millage
I
get
more
support
than
I.
Do
people
saying
you're
crazy
because
again
it
all
goes
back
to
saying
this
is
how
much
it
costs.
G
C
I
guess
my
my
hindrance
there
is
that
it's
the
point
that
you
said
that
we
need
to
have
a
dollar
assigned
to
a
subject.
We
don't
have
that
we
can
Max
this
out,
I
don't
have
where
we
we
can
always
pick
somewhere,
but
right
now,
in
this
moment
we
don't
have
that,
and
until
we
have
set
plans
for
me
to
Department
to
allocate
those
funds
again,
we
can
find
it
all
day
we're
just
we're
charging
the
taxpayer
extra
for
something
we're
not
going
to
be
spending
or
not
be
spending
with
a
plan.
G
I
mean
again,
we'd
have
to
go
through
three
more
days
of
workshops
to
really
try
to
elicit
out
the
true,
because,
again,
like
case
in
point,
had
we
not
pressed
Chief
wylam
yesterday
to
say
that
he
did
put
forward
those
two
positions
we
would
have
had
no
way
of
knowing
that
they
were
redlined
right.
So
how
much
more
of
that
is
under
the
surface
that
wasn't
brought
to
light
over
the
last
three
days.
I.
C
Mean
if
you
to
to
add
to
your
point,
though,
if
you
looked
at
some
of
these,
they
they
referenced
per
an
email
in
May,
requested
a
taken
out.
You
can
see
those
tracks
so
the
to
everybody's
Point.
C
Here
it's
just
if
we
could
have
had
a
kind
of
macro
view
to
micro
solve
the
process
how
it
went
down
and
then
we
can
choose
as
a
collective
body,
okay
yeah,
that
that
you're
right,
we
don't
need
this
year
or
absolutely
no,
that
one
we
do
need
to
figure
out
how
we
can
budget
that,
but
we're
not
there
and
I.
Don't
have
that
information.
Yeah.
G
It's
it's
unfortunate,
but
you
know,
then
this
goes
back
to
the
point
too.
Like
the
you
know,
Mr
Williams
said
in
the
back
there
again
like
Camp
wewa.
You
know
it's
close
to
Gap,
that's
800k,
that
you
know
we
committed
to
saying
that:
hey
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
try
and
come
as
close
to
possible
as
funding
that
camp.
That's
800,
000
I
mean
that's,
that's
more
than
the
the
the
tenth
of
a
mill
correct,
recovers.
I
mean
that
has
the
same
impact.
So
again,
I
would
argue
again
from
a
from
a
cost
perspective.
C
E
E
I,
didn't
that's:
okay,
see
the
755
809.
Yes,
those
are
funds
that
have
been
set
aside
for
culture
and
recreation
again.
I
have
this,
is
you
know,
I,
don't
know
the
details
behind
it,
but
it's
still
like
unrestricted
and
it's
I
think
we
can
probably
use
it
the
same
way.
We
use
those
Capital
funds.
So
should
we
decide
to
do
something
for
Camp
wewa
those
funds.
D
Got
it
motion
by
commissioner
Smith?
What
okay
second
by
commissioner
I
need
to
read
this
just
so
we
got
it
all
right
in
accordance
with
the
truth
and
millage
trim
requirements,
the
city
must
set
the
tender
millage
rate
and
advise
the
property
appraiser
of
the
tentative
millage
rate,
rollback
rate
date,
time
and
place
of
tentative
and
final
budget
hearings.
D
C
D
I
Commission,
commission,
just
just
a
reminder:
you
do
need
to
take
public
comment
on
these
motions.
Okay,.
K
Well,
I
know
with
the
economy
and
everything
you
know
you
want
to
try
to
keep
everything
the
way
it
is,
but
at
some
point
customer
service
at
some
point
when
it
comes
down
to
safety,
that's
Paramount
and,
like
I
said
before,
when
you
don't
know
the
material
condition
of
your
city,
that's
when
stuff
stink
sneaks
up
on
you,
because,
instead
of
the
guys
out
there
being
proactive
they're
about
there
being
reactive
and
I
know
because
I've
been
there
when
you
come
in,
you
don't
have
the
time
to
go
out
and
look
at
equipment
that
you
should
be
doing
the
PM
Zone,
because
you're
being
pulled
this
way,
you're
being
pulled
that
way,
you
get
a
phone
call
here.
K
You
get
a
phone
call
there
and
you
can
go
weeks,
but
here's
what's
happening
with
the
equipment.
It's
piling
up.
It's
piling
up
and
I'm
gonna
just
go
back
to
the
160
lift
stations
they're,
not
all
right
next
door.
So
when
you
go
from
one
to
the
other
one
to
the
other,
that's
Manpower
that's
time
and
you
only
got
eight
dollars
in
in
a
work
day,
and
so
when
you
get
the
staff,
that's
beat
up
they're
reaching
out
for
help.
K
We
have
to
know
that
we
have
to
take
that
vested
entry,
interest
and
I,
don't
know
what's
the
authority,
but
when
I
sit
down
with
a
department
here,
I
tell
them.
What
are
your?
What
is
your
biggest
concern
when
it
comes
to
safety?
Do
we
have
enough
manpower
if
you
look
at
a
if
I
got
160
lift
station?
K
What's
the
Manpower
I
need
to
cover
all
those
effectively?
What's
the
Manpower
I
need
to
do
the
PMS
on
them,
so
they
don't.
They
don't
break
down,
and
you
look
at
that.
You
go
from
item
by
item
equipment
by
equipment.
How
many
you
have?
What
is
the
requirement
to
keep
it
running
efficiently
and
that's
not
being
done
until
you
do
that?
K
You
got
to
put
the
paperwork
in
and
if
you
want
me
to
jump
through
hoops
now,
it's
going
to
cost
you
extra
so
instead
of
paying
2
million
to
get
it
replaced,
not
because
you
need
an
emergency
because
hey
it's
the
safety
of
the
citizen.
Now
it's
calling
you
2.5,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
saying
we
want
to
be
due
diligent.
But
when
I
look
at
some
of
the
roles
and
some
of
the
potholes
that
we
have
it's
it's
time
out
to
keep
kicking
the
can
down
the
road.
Those
things
need
to
be
fixed.
K
No
because
I'm
making
my
assumption,
but
the
the
department
here
needs
to
be
able
to
come
and
tell
you
exactly
what
is
the
correct
Manpower.
They
need
to
do
the
job
efficiently
and
safety
and
safewise
if
they're
not
relaxed.
To
do
that
then
you're
creating
a
problem
for
yourself
and
pretty
soon
it's
going
to
backfire.
K
You
pretty
soon
it's
going
to
backfire,
we're
just
using
the
little
statements
at
loofah
station
as
a
small
token,
but
you
look
at
some
of
these
storm
drains
now,
the
one
right
there
when
you
come
down,
Jason
dwelling
right
by
gate,
one
I'm
gonna,
send
you
the
pictures,
because
I
took
the
pictures
of
it.
I
came
through
and
it's
the
water
is
standing
in
the
road
so
high
when
I
ride
through
you
know
just
do
that.
K
Splash,
so
I
went
and
took
a
picture,
because
here
x,
maintenance,
I
go
and
take
the
picture
of
the
storm
drain.
Just
like
Dr
O
say
coming
out.
The
storm
dream
is
full.
You
got
plenty
of
area
for
the
water
to
drain
off,
but
it's
full.
It's
it's
all
type
of
debris
there.
So
it's
it's
backing
up
and
if
you
just
clean
that
out,
it'll
throw
it'll
flow
very
easy,
but
you
look
at
how
many
storm
drains
you
have
and
what
demand
power
you
have
to
go
around
and
clean
all
those
out.
K
So
when
these
department
heads
come
up
here,
they
need
to
be
honest
about
that.
We
got
a
lot
of
storm
drain
and
he
said
he
had
five
people
to
do
that.
Thank
you.
That's
not
efficient,
and
so
that's
all
I'm
saying
we
have
to
be
honest
with
where
we
at,
if
not
we're,
not
doing
the
city
of
Justice.
Thank
you.
B
First
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing
before
the
public
Mr
chair.
Yes,
when
you
decided
on
the
military
you
turned
to
commissioner
Smith,
you
didn't
even
look
at
this
side.
You
had
the
votes
from
National
Smith.
You
didn't
even
bother
to
look
on
this
side,
so
I
like
to
kind
of.
Did
you
hear
my
vote?
No
one
heard
my
vote.
We
haven't
voted
yet
you
said
you
had
a
motion
and
a
second
right.
The.
J
Sylvester
hit
a
lot
of
it,
but
the
aspect
of
it
I
come
from
an
industry,
that's
housing
and
Food
Service
and
Health
Care
and
every
piece
of
equipment
we
had.
We
knew
the
date
it
was
purchased,
we
knew
the
lifespan
and
we
had
maintenance
schedules,
some
of
it
like
dish,
machines,
daily,
weekly
monthly,
that
had
to
be
maintained.
If
we
don't
have
those
systems
in
place,
we
need
to
have
the
systems
of
the
people
in
order
to
do
it.
J
J
D
B
G
Yeah
I
mean
again.
This
is
one
of
those
situations
where
you
can
always
go
down,
sorry
to
go
back
up
and
and
and
I
I
totally
understand
where
you're
coming
from
commissioner
Nesta,
because
there's
been
a
deficiency
on
what's
been
presented
to
us.
But
again
we
can
be
the
ones
that
tell
them
top
down
you're,
taking
this
budget
you're
going
to
do
something
better
with
the
Department
and
that's
via
employees
yeah,
it's
funded
from
a
different
thing,
but
we
do
have
the
transferability
out
of
general
fund
to
fund
the
streets.
Improvement.
G
Area,
if
we
so
choose,
we
just
talked
about
how
we
have
that
need
I.
Just
can't
look
our
staff
in
the
face,
knowing
that
the
lower
level
employees,
you
know,
I
I,
don't
believe
every
single
thing
that
every
single
employee
tells
me
I
know
that
there's
they
may
think
that
it's
it's
accurate,
but
there's
always
more
to
the
story,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
there's
a
lot
still
to
do.
G
I
I
just
use
a
little
anecdote
like
again
I
think
maybe
it
was
commissioner
Dean
or
somebody
used
to
always
kind
of
talk
about
it,
but
like
the
median
right
outside
of
City
Hall.
Here
it's
like
like
little
things
like
that
that
we
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
done
and
the
excuses
we
don't
have
enough
resources
because
that's
been
the
top
track
in
these
these
and
these
council
chambers.
Many
a
time
we're
doing
things
on
the
cheap,
we're
trying
to
do
things
rubbing,
nickels
together,
we're
trying
we
don't
have
I
wish.
G
We
had
more
of
the
budget
to
be
able
to
do
that
thing.
How
many
times
have
we
heard
that
and
we've
got
I?
We've
got
to
be
able
to
give
the
resources
where
they're
needed
to
service
our
our
residents
and
I
just
I.
You
look
around
the
city
and
I
can
still
visually
point
to
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff.
I
didn't
do
a
PowerPoint
presentation
like
I
did
last
year,
because
I
didn't
or
two
years
ago
it
didn't
hit
very
well,
but
I
could
probably
go
around
and
do
the
same
thing.
G
G
I
would
mean
to
go
to
the
go
back
to
what
the
previous
rate
was.
The
4.2876
like
it
was
prior
to
our
last
reduction
and
then
again
as
the
budget
nears
completion,
there's
a
lot
of
volatility
in
the
numbers
that
we've
seen
thus
far
that
that
millage
can
be
reduced
if
it's
appropriate
at
that
time.
But
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainties
again
going
back
to
even
the
last
three
days
worth
of
documentation
that
we've
got.
G
E
G
Because
I
think
again,
we
have
no
idea
what
that
salary
style
is
going
to
look
like
again
if
we,
if
it's
a
comprehensive
salary
study,
that's
going
to
look
above
above
and
beyond
just
the
pay
grades
right.
If
it's
going
in
and
really
inspecting
the
longevity
pay,
Hazard
pay
all
these
other
kind
of
ancillary
compensation
benefits
as
well
as
benefits
as
well
as
contemplating
4x10.
Potentially,
we
have
no
idea
what
that
looks
like,
and
so
we.
G
D
Let
me
okay,
if
that's
the
number
you're
looking
for
so
500
500
additional
thousand
dollars,
I
would
say
to
you,
then
let's
go
back
to
the
sanitation
and
if
you
go
to
actuarially
sound
rate,
that's
six
hundred
thousand
and
leave
the
millage
at
4.1876
I
mean
if
you're
looking
at
just
dollars.
Right
now
we
we've.
We
stopped
the
transfer
from
sanitation
back
to
General
funds
to
shore
up
sanitation.
You
want
to
make
it
actually
sound.
We
can
get
there
and
we're
doing
the
same
thing
you're
doing
just
in
a
different
way.
G
G
E
Well,
when
we
again,
when
we
get
our
year
in
projections,
a
little
bit
more
trued
up
and
we
get
the
salary
study,
can
we
look
at
additional
staff
at
that
time
as
well?
We
can
always
come
back
and
do
an
amendment
and
add
to
the
head
count
and.
G
I
can
appreciate
what
you're
doing
to
Sherman,
I
I,
just
I
feel
like
you're,
trying
to
convince
us
or
route
us
a
certain
way
and
really
it's
it's
a
conversation
up
here,
but
you
know:
there's
there's
departments
that
you're
benefiting
from
additional
staff
right.
G
There's
other
departments
that
have
spoken
up
this
evening
and
prior
evenings
that
have
talked
about
they
do
need
additional
staff-
that's
not
contemplated
in
this
budget,
so
it's
not
just
Shoring
up
sanitation
or
whatever
there's
a
few
different
departments
that
I've
talked
about
their
need
for
staff
and
again,
we've
always
hear
directors
coming
in
during
City
Council
meetings
and
stuff,
like
that
saying
oh
we'd
like
to
do
that,
but
we
just
don't
have
the
resource
to
be
able
to
do
it
now.
G
Not
all
that
is
luxury
items,
that's
actual
need-based
things,
but
again
can
I
can
I
earmark
every
single
Cent.
If
we,
if
we
raise
millage
not
at
the
moment.
C
D
A
A
E
G
E
C
E
F
H
G
G
The
safety,
lieutenant
and.
G
The
Ada
position,
as
well
as
somebody
for
the
whatever
Department
storm
water,
checking
drains
another.
E
D
E
G
E
G
A
D
D
B
G
The
addition
of
that
safety
lieutenant
the
Ada
position
that
we
had
talked
about
in
the
storm
water.
D
A
B
B
I
What
the
attorney
told
us?
Yes,
yes
and
and
do
need
to
take
since
their
separate
propositions,
we'll
need
to
take
public
comment
on
each
one.
D
A
D
I
Think,
what's
left
to
do
is
to
set
the
rollback
millage
rate
as
well
as
the
time
and
date
for
the
hearing.
Well,.
I
You
do
have
a
new
motion,
so
it
would
be
prudent
to
take
public
comment
on
the
on
the
rate
that
you're
setting
now.
So
you
still
have
three
things
to
do.
Essentially:
okay,.
K
K
That's
something
that
we
need
to
address
kind
of
like
ASAP,
because
that's
when
you
look
at
it
and
you
look
at
where,
in
the
21st
century,
the
technology
for
the
training
and
for
the
range
that
should
really
be
an
inside
facility
and
so
that,
if
you
guys
can
look
at
that,
add
that
into
the
budget,
because
here
again
we're
talking
about
safety
safety.
It's
Paramount,
I,
Know
Chief
do
a
tight
ship
over
there.
But
when
you
got
an
outside
range,
Anything,
Could
Happen.
K
I
Commission,
let
me
explain
what
happened
here.
You
had
the
original
motion
to
set
it
4.1876
and
that
motion
failed
and
then
you
had
a
second
motion
to
reset
at
4.1876
with
the
adjustment
to
the
positions.
But
public
comment
was
not
taken
on
that.
So
now,
you've
had
public
comment
because
that
motion
was
made
again.
Okay,
so
that's
where
we're
at
on
that
particular
motion
and
then
you
just
have
once
this
is
dealt
with
and
disposed
of,
then
you
just
have
the
other
two.
Each
of
those
two
need
the
public
comment
as
well.
So.
F
B
E
I
You're
you're
certifying
the
the
form
that
the
numbers
in
the
form,
so
logically,
it
does
make
sense
to
you
know,
set
that
role
big
back
military
first,
but
it's
predicated.
A
D
Got
an
ocean
by
commissioner
Nesta
second
by
commissioner
Smith
to
move
the
set
to
set
the
rollback
rate
millage
rate
for
2023
tax
year
at
3.6691.
Any
fight
from
public
wishes
speak
close
public
hearing.
Look
for.
We
got
a
motion
all
those
in
favor
aye.
All
opposed
motion
cares
unanimously.
Last
one.
The
final
budget
hearing
is
scheduled
for
Wednesday
September
20th
2023
at
6
p.m.
In
the
council
chambers.