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The Apopka City Council Budget Workshop #2 will discuss Information Technology and Public Safety on July 25, 2023 at 5 PM. To view the meeting agenda visit: https://www.apopka.gov/agenda
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A
D
C
All
right,
starting
out
technology,
challenged
already
that's
why
I
asked
for
technology,
so
it
can
help
us,
but
I
have
those
younger
kids
that
can
handle
all
that
so
good
evening
mayor
commissioners,
during
each
budget
cycle,
the
Apopka
police
department
has
looked
at
how
to
best
police
the
city
of
Apopka
and
be
physically
responsible
with
our
budget.
We
have
looked
at
technology
to
help
us
work
smarter
with
the
resources
we
have.
C
We
have
also
reorganized
the
agency
to
try
to
be
more
efficient
when
the
services
we
provide
to
the
community
based
on
the
changes
we
make
and
measurements
we
rely
on.
We
have
submitted
our
budget
and
have
prepared
a
presentation
to
show
you
our
accomplishments
challenges
as
well
as
our
needs
and
our
concerns
as
we
prepare
for
the
future
as
are
proceed
through
this
presentation.
C
Please
stop
me
at
any
point
to
ask
questions
if
you
have
any
our
agency
and
City
overview
as
the
city
continues
to
prepare
for
rapid
and
increased
growth,
the
safety
of
our
community
will
always
be
a
top
concern
of
our
residents.
An
investment
in
public
safety,
Fosters
trust,
makes
citizens
feel
safe,
gets
people
engaged
in
their
communities
and
supports
economic
activity.
Places
with
lower
crime
rates
are
perceived
as
more
desirable
and
attractive
visitors,
businesses,
new
residents
and
an
increased
talent
pool
when
people
feel
safe.
C
They
conduct
business
in
their
community
and
participate
in
local
business,
dining
and
entertainment
offerings.
Public
Safety
is
a
location
factor
for
individuals
looking
to
move
into
a
community
and
for
companies
looking
to
invest
in
a
community
Police
Department,
accomplishments
and
challenges
started
the
police
department's
first
Explorer
program
this
year.
This
program
will
introduce
high
school
students
to
law
enforcement.
C
We
rolled
out
new
and
improved
body
cameras
thanks
to
y'all's
funding,
implemented
fuses
to
leverage
technology
to
bring
our
body
cameras,
City
cameras
and
other
technology
into
one
platform
completed
a
radio
upgrade
to
improve
communication
with
other
Public
Safety
agencies.
This
also
affected
the
fire
department
awarded
approximately
135
thousand
dollars
in
Grants,
continue
to
conduct
racial
intelligence,
training,
de-escalation,
training
and
fair
in
a
partial
policing
training
to
ensure
our
Personnel
are
well
trained
and
aware
of
the
issues
facing
police,
the
policing
profession.
C
Police
Department's
accomplishments
continued.
We
had
another
great
year
sponsoring
over
130
children
during
our
annual
Shop
with
a
cop
event,
thanks
to
the
support
of
Our
Community
Partners
in
Walmart
continued
our
monthly
cookies
and
milk
with
a
cop
thanks
to
our
continued
support
from
McDonald's
held
our
annual
National
Night
Out
youth
summer
camps,
women's
self-defense
classes,
citizens,
police
academy
and
many
other
courses
to
support
and
interact
with
our
community.
C
We
all
should
be
proud
of
the
way
the
sworn
and
civilian
members
of
the
Apopka
Police
Department
continue
to
deal
with
the
challenges
and
adversities
they
faced
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
They
continue
to
face
short
staffing
levels,
requiring
them
to
work
longer
shifts
and
more
hours
in
a
very
difficult
job
to
ensure
our
community
is
safe
from
me.
It
continues
to
be
an
honor
and
a
privilege
to
work
with
each
and
every
one
of
them.
C
This
slide
shows
the
City's
population
and
consistent
growth
over
the
last
18
years.
The
2023
growth
is
an
estimate
based
on
an
average
of
1329
new
residents
increase
annually.
Since
2005.
the
city
continues
to
grow
at
a
steady
and
fast
pace.
Not
only
is
a
popular,
the
third
largest
city
in
the
area.
With
this
growth
out
of
267
cities
in
Florida,
Apopka
has
become
the
53rd
largest
city.
According
to
Wikipedia,
Apopka
continues
to
grow
rapidly.
In
2010,
there
were
15
707
households
in
Apopka
in
2022.
C
It
is
estimated
that
the
number
of
households
had
increased
to
21
044.
This
represents
a
34
percent
increase
in
the
number
of
households
in
the
city.
The
2010
census
showed
a
population
in
Apopka
of
41
542.
As
of
December
2022,
the
Apopka
city
of
apopka's
Community
Development
Department
estimated
the
population
of
Apopka
at
57
390
residents.
This
is
an
increase
of
15
848
residents
since
2010..
This
represents
a
38
increase
in
our
residential
population
in
the
past
12
years.
This
does
not
include
commercial
and
Industrial
growth
during
the
same
period,
foreign
ly.
C
According
to
the
Community
Development
Department,
there
are
11
366
dwelling
units
planned
or
under
construction
in
the
city
of
Apopka.
This
is
up
from
9900
dwelling
units
planned
or
under
construction
just
last
year
and
up
from
72-70
the
year
before,
based
on
the
city's
Community
Development
unit
in
April
of
2022,
the
average
household
had
2.72
persons
living
in
it.
The
residential
growth
will
add
an
estimated
30
915
new
residents
to
the
city
of
Apopka
over
the
next
several
years.
C
This
is
a
up
from
an
estimated
27
000
new
residents
just
last
year,
although
some
of
the
development
used
to
compile
these
numbers
may
have
been
completed.
By
now,
we
have
not
added
any
additional
authorized
positions
to
the
police
department
since
they
were
planned
or
completed
during
DRC
meetings.
The
developers
of
Kelly
Park
Crossing
anticipate
a
large
portion
of
the
new
developments
to
be
completed
in
the
next
five
to
eight
years.
C
The
city
continues
to
modify
the
future
land
use
within
the
city
and
permits
for
rezoning
that
allows
for
denser
growth
as
a
result,
we're
experiencing
an
increase
in
apartment
complexes
and
Townhomes.
All
this
growth
is
going
to
continue
to
tax
the
already
limited
resources
of
the
Apopka
Police
Department,
if
not
plan
for
appropriately
the
new
approved
and
planned
growth,
will
require
an
additional
72
police
officers
when
it
is
complete.
C
If
we
wish
to
try
to
reach
and
maintain
the
State
per
capita
average
of
police
officers
per
1000
residents,
this
chart
shows
the
Apopka
Police
Department's
authorized
number
since
physical
year
0809.
As
you
can
see,
the
growth
of
the
police
department
continues
to
be
nominal
compared
to
the
City's
population,
growth
and
increase
in
square
miles.
Since
fiscal
year
1516
we
have
added
24
authorized
police
officer
positions
to
the
police
department.
It's
authorized
numbers,
however,
the
cities
with
the
city's
growth.
C
Over
the
same
period
of
time,
we
should
have
added
an
additional
15
positions
in
order
to
achieve
the
state
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents.
Our
lack
of
growth
in
the
police
department
is
hindering
professional
growth
for
our
officers
and
civilian
personnel,
as
it
inhibits
additional
promotional
opportunities,
as
well
as
diverse
career
opportunities.
This
stagnant
growth
makes
it
difficult
in
our
recruiting.
Efforts
affects
morale
within
the
agency
and
affects
the
services
we
provide
to
our
community.
C
This
chart
shows
a
ratio
of
officers
for
1
000
residents
from
many
of
the
local
agencies.
The
state
average
of
officers
per
1
000
residents
is
2.33,
which
remains
down
from
2.432
years
ago.
This
decrease
is
most
likely
due
to
the
vacant
positions
that
exist
in
many
agencies
across
the
state.
As
noted
in
the
graph,
the
local
agency
average
ratio
of
officers
per
1000
residents
is
2.31,
which
was
is
slightly
lower
than
the
state
average.
C
Due
to
the
city's
growth
20
in
2022,
the
Apopka
Police
Department
fell
from
a
per
capita
of
2.09
officers
per
thousand
in
2021
to
2.08
in
2022.
This
graph
shows
that
can
shows
we
continue
to
be
below
the
state
and
local
average
for
officers
for
one
thousand
residents
if
we
were
authorizing
additional
10
police
officers
as
as
is
being
requested
this
year.
Our
per
capita
ratio
would
only
increase
to
2.25
officers
per
thousand
residents
still
below
the
state
and
local
average.
C
Local
cities,
by
square
mile,
when
looking
at
the
need
for
additional
swarm
positions,
we
don't
just
look
at
one
data
set.
It
is
also
important
that
we
look
at
the
area
of
responsibility
and
coverage
of
the
police
department.
The
city
of
Apopka
spans,
almost
36
square
miles.
This
chart
shows
a
comparison
of
the
square
miles
for
several
local
cities.
The
average
square
miles
for
the
cities
listed
is
21.87,
as
you
can
see
at
almost
36
square
miles.
We
have
the
third
largest
service
area
among
the
agencies
listed.
C
This
slide
shows
how
many
officers,
each
city
has
per
square
mile
of
service
area
as
seen
on
the
slide.
Not
only
do
we
have
one
of
the
lowest
per
capita's
in
the
area.
We
also
have
one
of
the
lowest
officers
per
square
mile
ratios
among
the
agencies
listed
even
by
adding
10
new
officers
this
year,
we'll
still
be
well
below
the
local
average
of
officers
per
square
mile.
C
Response
times
for
reference,
Priority
One
calls
for
service
or
emergency
calls
for
service
and
priority.
Three
are
routine
calls
for
service
priority.
Two
calls
for
service
are
not
used
by
our
CAD
system
and
are
sometimes
mislabeled,
but
would
be
similar
to
a
non-emergency
dispatch.
This
slide
Compares
our
response
times
from
2021
to
2022
for
each
priority
type
of
call
for
service.
As
of
note,
our
dispatch
calls
for
service
continue
to
increase,
which
can
be
expected
to
continue
as
the
city
grows.
C
C
Our
Uniform
Crime
reporting
I,
will
tell
you
before
I
get
into
this
you've,
probably
read
the
news
that
the
FBI
has
changed
from
Uniform
Crime
reporting
to
incident-based
reporting
or
neighbors
a
national
incident-based
Reporting
System.
We
were
supposed
to
be
there
by
October
of
last
year.
Nobody
is
there.
The
data
is
not
prepared
to
be
submitted,
so
we
had
to
go
back
and
recreate
our
UCR
data.
I.
C
Think
it's
pretty
accurate
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
it's
110
accurate
because
of
having
to
go
back
and
recall
that
data
until
the
FBI
gets
us
into
nyber's
reporting
our
Uniform
Crime
reporting
for
the
part
one
crime
shows
in
2022
violent
crime
Rose
by
31,
or
an
additional
78
violent
crimes
for
the
year.
The
rise
in
violent
crime
was
a
trend
seen
across
the
country
in
2022.
C
Property
crimes
are
also
up
in
2022,
driven
by
vehicle,
burglaries
and
vehicle
thefts.
The
vehicle
thefts
can
be
attributed
to
the
theft
of
Kia
and
high-ending
vehicles
due
to
the
YouTube
video
that
shows
people
how
to
steal
them.
Unfortunately,
the
auto
theft
and
auto
burglary
Trends
are
continuing
in
2023.
in
2022.
We
also
saw
a
significant
increase
in
the
theft
of
catalytic
converters,
which
was
also
a
trend
occurring
around
the
country.
Overall
crime
in
a
pop
was
up.
26
percent
or
an
additional
395
reported
crimes
in
2022
over
2021.
C
Our
FY
2324
budget
request.
We
are
currently
authorized
122
swarm
positions,
however,
if
we
intend
to
improve
our
per
capita
and
officer
per
square
mile
ratio
is
to
be
closer
aligned
with
the
state
average
and
surrounding
agencies.
We
must
continue
to
add
additional
police
officers.
We
are
requesting
10
additional
authorized
positions
for
FY
2324,
although
we
are
currently
11,
they
have
11
vacancies
to
fill
we're
requesting
the
additional
officers
to
be
added
to
our
authorized
numbers.
So
we
have
a
clear
indication
of
how
many
sworn
personnel
the
police
department
should
have.
C
Currently
we
have
two
sponsored
police
officers
in
the
Law
Enforcement
Academy
and
two
certified
officers
expected
to
start
within
the
next
month.
These
additional
10
authorized
officers
with
a
sour
with
salary
equipment
and
vehicles
will
cost
approximately
1.4
million
dollars
in
order
to
obtain
the
State
per
capita
average
of
2.33
officers
per
1000
residents
are
authorized.
Sworn
positions
should
be
approximately
136..
These
10
additional
officers
will
only
bring
us
to
132
sworn
positions
in
March
of
2022.
C
As
you
recall,
the
architectural
Design
Group
staff
study
that
was
conducted
during
the
public
safety
building
needs
assessment,
confirmed
or
authorized
numbers
in
2022
should
have
been
at
136
sworn
officers,
starting
pay,
longevity
Recruitment
and
Retention
challenges,
I'm,
sorry,
starting
pay,
longevity
pay,
PTO,
accruals,
shift,
differential
pay,
educational
assistance,
assignment
pays
and
Specialty
pays.
Excuse
me
are
becoming
non-competitive
or
are
not
currently
provided
to
our
Personnel
last
year.
The
com,
you
all
approved
wage
adjustments
for
most
of
the
Police
Department
Personnel
in
order
to
help
us
remain
competitive
with
other
agencies
in
the
area.
C
Unfortunately,
after
our
budget
was
approved,
many
agencies
surpassed
us
and
pay
for
sworn
officers
and
Communications
technicians.
We
are
now
competing
locally,
regionally
and
across
the
state
for
qualified
applicants,
and
our
recruiters
are
traveling
across
the
state
to
find
recruits
recruits
in
our
hiring
process
are
being
picked
up
by
other
agencies
with
higher
pay.
Some
agencies
are
actually
using
their
Union
contract
to
attract
new
recruits,
as
they
can
guarantee
what
their
starting
salary
pay
will
be
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
C
Most
of
them
in
the
local
area
have
a
three-year
contract
that
goes
out
to
24
25
fiscal
year
and
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
more
in
in
a
minute.
Our
experienced
highly
trained
Personnel
are
sought
after
by
other
agencies,
especially
larger
ones.
Larger
agencies
offer
benefits
other
than
higher
pay.
They
offer
the
opportunity
for
a
more
diverse
career.
Off-Duty
opportunities
are
higher
at
larger
agencies.
Increasing
in
officer's
annual
salary
are
hiring
challenges.
The
law
enforcement
profession
has
changed
over
the
past.
C
Several
years,
resulted
in
fewer
applicants
and
fewer
Police
Academy
graduates,
our
current
starting
salary
for
police
officers,
fifty
one
thousand
twenty
seven
dollars
up
from
forty
six
thousand
in
2021..
Unfortunately,
we
have
fallen
out
of
the
market
even
after
making
this
adjustment
falling
back
out
of
Market
is
making
recruiting
difficult.
Currently,
we
have
11
police
officer
vacancies,
current
salaries
for
police
officers
and
Communications
technicians,
if
not
addressed
again
this
year,
will
make
retention
and
recruiting
even
more
difficult
in
physical
year.
23-24.
C
again
this
year,
the
salary
information
and
data
in
the
following
sections
of
the
presentation
were
obtained
from
a
survey
developed
and
sent
out
by
the
Apopka
Police
Department
in
April
23..
The
survey
was
sent
to
law
enforcement
agencies
in
Orange,
Osceola,
Seminole,
Volusia,
Lake
and
Brevard
counties
of
the
60
agencies.
The
survey
was
sent
to
30
31
responded.
Unfortunately,
this
is
a
little
less
than
responded
last
year
to
the
survey.
C
However,
it
is
still
a
good
response
for
a
survey
rate
agency,
demographic
and
comparisons,
as
you
can
see
from
the
information
on
the
slide
other
than
the
listed
Sheriff's
Office
of
the
Apopka
Police
Department
serves
the
third
largest
community
as
it
relates
to
population
in
square
miles.
When
it
comes
to
police
departments,
we
are
only
behind
the
Orlando
Police
Department
and
the
Kissimmee
Police
Department
competitive
and
challenging
and
changing
markets
changes
to
the
Florida
retirement
system.
I
bring
this
up
because
we
always
talk
about
our
benefits.
C
The
recent
changes
that
took
effect
July
1st
of
2023,
the
Florida
retirement
system,
restore
retirement
benefits
back
to
the
2011
and
improved
other
benefits,
restored,
the
retirement
age
to
55,
from
65
or
at
an
age
of
with
25
years
of
service
or
at
any
age.
After
25
years
of
service,
with
special
risk
class,
an
increased
drop
from
five
to
eight
years,
which
matches
ours
now
increase
the
drop
interest
rate
from
1.3
percent
to
four
percent
on
drop
accumulations
held
on
or
after
July
1st
2023.
C
So
with
their
drop,
they
have
a
guaranteed
interest
rate
of
four
percent.
We
don't
have
a
guaranteed.
It's
based
on
the
market,
increased
the
employer,
paid
contributions
to
the
investment
plan.
Member
accounts
by
two
percent
of
the
members.
Compensation
increases
the
monthly
retirement
health
insurance
subsidy
from
five
dollars
to
seven
dollars
and
fifty
cents
for
each
year
of
the
recipient
service,
the
maximum
his
is
225
dollars
per
month
or
there
providing
twenty
seven
hundred
dollars
annually
to
offset
some
of
the
insurance
costs,
they
restored.
C
Many
agencies
allow
Personnel
to
accrue
an
established
amount
of
compensatory
time
as
an
example.
The
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
allows
Personnel
to
accrue
up
to
160
hours
of
compensatory
time,
educational
assistance,
providing
reimbursement
of
100
percent
of
tuition
and
books
up
to
an
established
maximum.
The
Orlando
Police
Department
provides
up
to
eighteen
hundred
dollars
annually
and
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
provides
up
to
two
thousand
dollars
annually
for
people
to
attend.
College
overtime
begins
after
82
hours
worked
in
an
established
14-day
cycle
in
many
of
the
agencies.
C
C
There
are
not
many
off-duty
opportunities
within
the
city
of
apopkus
or
Personnel
work
off
duty
in
other
jurisdictions,
such
as
Orlando
and
UCF.
Some
off-duty
jobs
offered
to
other
agency
Personnel
range
from
sixty
dollars
an
hour
to
a
hundred
dollars
an
hour,
while
our
officers
have
an
opportunity
to
work
in
those
jurisdictions
at
the
lowest
paying
rates,
because
their
officers
take
the
higher
paying
rates.
First,
Chief.
E
C
Oh
so
mid-year
adjustments
that
we
did
make
for
our
Personnel
this
year.
First
off
we
reorganized
the
agency
to
prepare
for
the
future.
In
our
succession
planning,
we
did
add
a
new
division
within
the
department
to
cover
some
of
our
succession
planning
and
our
future
needs.
We
increase
field
training,
officer
and
Communications
training
officer
incentive
pay
from
500
to
a
thousand
dollars.
This
was
done
to
help
retain
training
officers
due
to
the
number
of
personnel.
C
We
have
been
hiring
begin
shift,
differential
pay
for
police
officers
and
Communications
technicians
working
evening
shift
and
midnight
shift
an
additional
two
thousand
eighty
dollars
a
year
for
midnight
shift
and
an
additional
one
thousand
and
forty
dollars
per
year
for
evening
shifts.
So,
basically,
it
came
down
to
a
dollar
an
hour
more
for
midnight
shift
and
50
cents
an
hour
for
evening
shift
to
work.
Those
shifts
that's
consistent
with
the
agencies
around
us
that
provide
shift
differential
pay.
It's
made
us
competitive
with
the
surrounding
areas.
C
Starting
salaries
had
to
throw
this
up
there
I'm
sure
you
all
have
heard
the
Leesburg
Police
Department
just
went
to
sixty
one
thousand
dollars
for
a
police
officer.
Now
I'm
going
to
try
to
explain
this
and
put
things
into
perspective,
real
quick
people
either
work
2080
annual
hours
or
if
they
work
2184
annual
hours,
but
depending
on
whether
or
not
they're
on
an
eight
or
ten
hour
shift
or
a
12
hour
shift.
C
Leesburg
is
on
a
2200
shift
because
they
pay
four
hours
of
two
hours
of
overtime
each
pay
period.
So
as
I
go
through
the
presentation
and
show
you
salaries.
There
are
some
adjustments
that
I
didn't
make
to
some
of
those
hours
just
because
it
becomes
quite
complicated.
For
example,
the
city
of
Maitland
is
on
12
hour
shifts,
so
they
work
2184
hours,
but
when
they
leave
and
go
to
CID,
so
they
don't
take
a
pay
cut
because
now
they're
working
2080
hours,
they
get
a
stipend
to
offset
that
amount.
C
C
Not
I
did
not
normalize
it
because
trying
to
normalize
it
I
have
to
go
back
and
research
which
I
didn't
ask
for
in
my
survey
this
year.
What
stipends
are
they
providing
to
people
to
that
aren't
in
Patrol
that
are
in
other
functions
and
other
things
it's
just
like
trying
to
compare
insurance
benefits.
It's
it's
a
nightmare,
because
a
lot
of
them
are
getting
the
same
thing,
but
they
say
it
in
a
different
way.
So.
C
Just
got
it
actually
right
before
I
came
over
here,
it
was
just
a
little
over
2200.
because
they
have
mandatory
training
now
without
also
some
of
the
agencies
that
aren't
12-hour
shifts
we're
on
a
410.
So
Friday
is
a
common
day,
so
we
train
on
Fridays
without
incurrent
any
overtime
when
you're
on
a
12-hour
shift.
C
You
pay
them
for
overtime,
so
not
only
are
they
making
whatever
their
annual
salary
is
they're
making
more
than
that,
because
you
know
we
probably
average
more
than
15
training
days
a
year
to
make
sure
we
meet
all
of
FDLE
standards
and
our
additional
training
that
we
do
within
our
agency,
so
they're
being
paid
overtime
for
those
training
days.
Also
so
yeah
again
I
apologize,
it's
just
hard
to
put
that
all
into
perspective
and
normalize
everything.
B
C
There
right
and
so,
and
some
of
the
salaries
that
are
here,
don't
all
tell
the
entire
story,
because
there's
a
lot
of
different
benefits
that
are
incorporated
into
that,
so
that
they
normalize.
You
know,
because
when
you
go
from
Patrol
on
a
12-hour
shift
and
you
go
to
criminal
investigations,
you're
now
on
a
four
ten
or
eight
hour
shift
so
you're
back
to
2080.,
so
they
offset
that
with
pay
that
they
give
to
them.
So
they
don't
take
a
pay
cut.
Otherwise,
who
would
want
to
go
into
criminal
investigations?
Sure
so?
C
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
swearing
in
ceremony,
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
routinely
swears
in
15
plus
new
Personnel
to
fill
their
positions.
As
you
know,
from
attending
our
swearing
in
Services,
we
have
one
two
or
three
or
sometimes
three.
The
good
news
is
that
once
we
do
get
them
here
so
far,
we
are
not
losing
them
to
other
agencies,
but
we
do
have
a
significant
problem
with
people
just
wanting
to
stay
in
law
enforcement.
We
just
recently
had
two
resignations:
both
military
personnel,
one,
a
marine
sniper,
saw
combat
in
the
three
previous
Wars.
C
C
C
C
These
officers
are
well
trained
and
experienced
as
well
as
sought,
after
by
larger,
better
paying
agencies
starting
salary
for
police
officers,
we're
up
to
51
000.
As
I
mentioned,
we
were
up
there
at
the
top
when
we
went
to
51
000
we're
no
longer
at
the
top.
We
got
a
9.49,
roughly
9.5
percent,
raise
last
year
across
the
board
for
the
police
officers.
C
You
can
see
what
some
of
the
other
agencies
have
gotten
they're
all
within
that
nine
to
12
percent
range
down
to
8.5,
also
OPD
starting
pay
by
their
contract.
I
mentioned
that
some
of
the
agencies
are
starting
to
hire
recruits
by
using
their
contract
as
leverage
saying
that
you're
guaranteed
this
by
our
contract
for
the
next
three
years,
starting
pay
for
OPD
and
FY
2425
will
be
57
000
by
contract.
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Office
will
be
57-3
by
contract.
C
C
All
the
local
agencies
mentioned.
Excuse
me
in
the
previous
slides
are
competing
for
the
same
law
enforcement
applicants
that
we
are.
We
have
adjusted
our
recruiting
practices
and
now
travel
to
academies
across
the
state.
Looking
for
applicants
as
we
use
as
we
use
to
be
able
to
find
sufficient
applicants
from
just
the
four
law
enforcement
academies
in
our
area.
This
is
no
longer
the
case,
as
most
Academy
recruits
are
now
looking
for
sponsorship
from
an
agency.
As
a
result,
many
of
the
academy
recruits
are
already
sponsored
prior
to
starting
the
academy
in
order
to
compete.
C
This
is
a
six
percent
increase
from
the
current
starting
salary
of
51
000
and
will
make
us
competitive
for
now.
Unfortunately,
we
do
not
know
what
the
starting
salary
will
be
on
October
1st
2023
for
many
of
the
agencies
listed
in
the
previous
charts
and
around
us,
because
they
don't
have
a
union
just
like
we
don't
have
a
union,
so
I,
don't
know
where
they're
going
to
go.
I
know
that
Winter
Park
is
going
up
four
percent
at
a
minimum
talking
to
their
Chief.
Yesterday,
Ocoee
does
have
a
contract.
I
talked
to
their
Chief
yesterday.
C
Foreign,
as
you
saw
from
the
previous
slide.
We
fell
from
Top
This
physical
year
and
are
beginning
to
drop
down
the
list.
In
order
to
address
this,
we
are
recommending
changes
to
the
top
out
pay
for
sworn
personnel.
The
new
proposed
pay
scale
for
police
officer
incorporates
a
12
increase
in
the
top
out
pay
for
police
officers,
a
10
increase
in
top
out
pay
for
lead
police
officer
and
sergeants,
and
a
five
percent
increase
in
top
out
pay
for
lieutenants.
These
adjustments
work
to
create
a
consistent
spread
between
the
ranks.
C
C
The
difference
in
the
increases
from
the
12
percent
to
the
five
percent
is
we
have
some
discrepancies
in
our
current
pay
plan.
Most
of
them
are
a
10
Gap
in
most
of
pay
plans.
We
have
some
that
were
11.
Some
that
work
15
between
lieutenant
and
Captain
was
a
big
jump
so
I'm
trying
to
normalize
those,
and
that's
why
some
of
the
raises
aren't
as
as
big
to
try
to
normalize
what
we
have
as
a
difference
between
our
pay
grades.
C
Our
communication
Center,
as
you
will
see,
the
starting
salary
adjustments
we
made
last
year
for
communications
technician
did
not
keep
us
keep
up
in
the
market.
Many
agencies
made
weight
adjustments
during
this
physical
year
to
try
to
attract
applicants.
The
communications
technicians
at
the
Apopka
Police
Department
are
trained
in
every
facet
related
to
the
911
call
Dispatch
Center.
They
must
be
able
to
answer
emergency
and
non-emergency
calls
for
service
dispatch.
Calls
for
service
handle,
teletype
dispatch
for
other
agencies,
Maitland
and
Eatonville,
as
well
as
dispatch
for
our
fire
department.
C
This
is
unique
from
the
surrounding
dispatch
centers,
in
that
other
agency's
dispatchers
often
have
their
personnel
specialized
in
each
position
and
are
not
required
to
be
trained
in
all
positions
as
Apopka
dispatchers
are
the
majority
of
communication,
centers
specialize
in
police
or
fire,
but
not
both
Communications
technicians
have
to
work
nights,
weekends
and
holidays.
Currently,
due
to
Staffing
shortages,
they
are
working
between
50
and
60
hours
a
week.
If
we
lose
any
more
Personnel
in
the
Communication
Center,
we
will
add
to
our
personnel's
already
overworked
schedule
and
lead
to
additional
morale
issues.
C
C
C
C
This
is
where
we
fell.
When
we
moved
to
forty
one
thousand.
Last
year
we
were
up
at
the
top
close
to
the
top
we
weren't
trying
to
compete
with
Orange,
County
and
OPD
again,
but
we
have
significantly
fallen
down
Leesburg
in
addition
to
raising
their
police
officer,
pay
raise
their
Communications
technician
paid
a
forty
nine
thousand
dollars
the
greater
Orlando
Aviation
Authority
raised
theirs
up
to
49
000.
Also.
C
C
Fortunately,
we
did
do
a
search
and
we
initially
had
six
applicants
we
wanted
to
interview,
but
with
all
the
positions
you've
seen
that
we
apply
for
after
we
called
everybody,
only
two
of
them
wanted
to
proceed
with
the
interview
process
of
those
two,
an
in-house
candidate,
Billy
Bryant,
finished
number
one,
which
is
a
good
thing
because
he
hits
the
ground
running.
He
has
been
in
the
com
center
from
day
one.
He
knows
how
to
operate
the
consoles.
C
He
knows
how
to
do
everything
in
the
con
Center
he's
going
to
start
working
with
Donna
for
that
transition,
for
when
she
leaves
at
the
end
of
August.
The
bad
news
is.
Is
it
takes
a
person
off
the
console
because
now
we're
going
to
be
one
less
person
up
there?
If
we
lose
two
additional
people
to
Leesburg,
we
are
going
to
be
in
serious
trouble
in
the
comp
Center.
C
Top
out
pay
for
communications
technician
has
fallen
down
a
little
bit
compared
to
where
we
were
last
year.
Our
salary
adjustments
for
the
communications
Personnel
for
the
FY
2324
proposed
pay
plan
is
that
we
move
them
all
up.
One
pay
grade,
which
is
approximately
a
10
increase
in
their
minimum,
starting
pay,
move
it
up
to
45
429,
and
it
also
increases
the
top
out
pay.
No.
C
C
Approximate
budget
impact,
if
recommended
salary
adjustments
are
implemented,
come
to
approximately
955
thousand
dollars.
That's
an
estimate
on
my
part.
Finance
can
give
you
a
better
estimate
on
that,
but
that's
based
on
a
45
percent
benefits
package.
I
think
that's
a
little
high
proposed
funding
source.
We
recommend
that
we
carry
over
the
Personnel
Savings
in
this
year's
budget
from
the
various
vacancies
within
the
agency
is
an
anticipated
based
on
our
calculations.
C
There'll
be
approximately
a
little
bit
over
a
million
dollars
remaining
in
the
police
department's
FY
2223
Personnel
budgets
that
can
be
utilized
to
fund
the
proposed
salary
increases.
The
above
numbers
were
provided
with
the
assistance
of
Finance.
I
will
tell
you
that
I
started
this
in
April,
so
the
numbers
I
worked
off
was
a
snapshot
of
April,
so
some
of
our
salaries
have
increased
due
to
Merit,
increases
and
other
things.
So
that's
why
I
say
this
is
an
estimate,
assignment
pay
and
Specialty
pay.
C
As
mentioned
earlier
in
the
presentation
we
are
requesting
to
change
our
incentive
pay
program
to
Specialty
pays
and
assignment
pays.
Currently,
our
Personnel
receive
an
incentive
pay
of
500
annually,
based
on
their
Department
assignment
or
a
specialty
team.
They
are
on
an
example
of
an
assignment
that
currently
receive
an
incentive.
Pay
would
be
criminal
investigations.
The
Traffic
Unit
our
tax
unit,
an
example
of
a
specialty
paid
team,
would
be
SWAT,
Honor,
Guard
traffic,
homicide.
Investigator
Etc.
Does
that
answer
your
question,
commissioner?
C
Becker
does
of
what
the
two
are:
okay,
yeah
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
purpose
of
the
incentive
pay
assignment,
pays
or
specialty
pays.
Is
we'd
like
to
change
them
to
is
a
reimburse
Personnel
for
being
on
call?
Many
of
these
assignments
require
them
to
be
on
call
and
they're
not
reimbursed
for
being
on
time
some
or
on
call.
Some
agencies
pay
people
per
hour
that
they're
on
call
some
people
do
this
through
the
specialty,
pay
and
assignment
pay
system
agencies
with,
and
it's
also
for
their
additional
training.
C
All
of
them
have
to
attend
additional
training
for
the
positions
that
they're
in
and
the
special
skills
that
they
acquire
due
to
that
training
agencies
with
similar
units
are
providing
assignment
or
specialty
paid
between
900
and
1300
annually.
We
are
requesting
to
increase
our
pay
from
500
to
a
thousand
dollars
annually,
effective
October,
1st
2023
and
allow
Personnel
to
receive
a
maximum
of
one
assignment
pay
and
one
specialty
pay
for
each
extra
area
of
work
that
they
are
doing
in
their
assignments
or
on
their
specialty
team.
C
This
estimated
budget
impact
for
this
change
is
approximately
130
000
a
year.
This
is
not
an
unended
request,
because
each
one
of
those
units
has
a
specific
amount
of
personnel
that
it
can
go
to.
They
can't
go
over
that.
We
have
allocated
15
field
training
officers.
That's
all
we
have
right
now.
We've
gone
a
little
bit
over
the
15
just
because
of
all
the
recruits
we've
hired
and
make
sure
that
we
have
the
training
officers.
Swat
has
14
people
assigned
to
it,
that's
where
they
will
stay.
C
So
it's
not
like
we're
going
to
add
a
bunch
of
officers
into
these
units.
We
have
set
numbers
for
these
positions:
educational
reimbursement,
we're
requesting
to
re-establish
our
educational
reimbursement
to
allow
Personnel
to
receive
up
to
1200
a
year
in
a
reimbursement
to
obtain
a
college
degree
we're
requesting
25
000
this
physical
year
to
start
the
program.
C
As
you
some
of
you
may
recall
my
first
year
here
we
were
given
forty
thousand
dollars
in
the
budget
for
college
reimbursement.
We
started
the
program.
The
funding
was
moved
to
the
city,
a
policy
never
got
implemented,
so
it
sort
of
fell
by
the
way
and
we
haven't
had
it
since
I
am
asking
that
we
implement
this
in
the
police
department,
because
I
think
everybody
would
agree
that
it's
important
that
our
police
officers
would
be
well
trained
and
well
educated.
C
So
we
would
like
to
start
that
with
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
see
what
kind
of
response
we
get
and
adjusted
in
the
Years
forward
to
make
sure
that
we
have
sufficient
funding
to
allow
them
to
become
educated.
So
Personnel
request
we're
requesting
10
additional
authorized
sworn
police
officer
positions,
taking
an
authorized
number
from
for
sworn
police
officers
to
132.
we're
request
an
assistant
record
supervisor
for
succession
planning
right
now.
Dina
runs
the
records
unit
and
when
she's
gone,
we
don't
have
anybody
to
supervise
it.
C
C
vehicle
request,
seven
Ford,
Interceptor
SUVs
to
replace
aging
vehicles
at
a
cost
of
455
thousand
dollars,
three
Ford
F-150
responder
trucks
to
replace
aging
Vehicles.
Two
hundred
and
one
thousand
ten
Ford
Interceptor
SUVs
for
10
to
10
new
authorized
positions,
I'm
asking
for
those
now
because
right
now
we
are
at
a
year
to
get
police
cars
to
receive
them
and
then
to
get
them.
Outfitted
we
are
at
over
a
year
we're
still
carrying
over
money
from
the
FY
2122
budget
to
outfit.
Some
of
the
cars
that
are
just
now
coming
in
so.
C
You're
gonna
order
them
now
the
dealers
want
us
to
give
a
intent
to
purchase
prior
to
October
1st
okay.
So
once
we
know
that's
going
to
be
solid,
we're
going
to
have
to
reach
out
to
the
dealers
under
State
contract
and
at
least
give
somebody
an
intent
to
purchase,
so
those
Vehicles
Ford
only
makes
the
police
interceptor
so
many
times
a
year.
C
It's
not
a
routine
thing
that
they
build
all
the
time,
four
to
be
determined
unmarked
vehicles,
at
a
cost
of
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
two
Ford
Escape
to
replace
two
SRO
escapes
that
will
be
retrofitted
to
Citizens
on
patrol
vehicles.
I
think
you
all
know.
Our
citizens
on
patrol
vehicles
are
in
really
bad
shape.
They're
Chevy,
Impalas,
probably
15.
20
years
old,
we've
already
replaced
two
of
them
with
outgoing
Vehicles
we'd
like
to
replace
two
more,
and
this
is
the
cheapest
way
to
do
it
and
give
them
the
ones
that
are
SRO.
C
Vehicles,
don't
get
driven
a
lot.
They
have
low
mileage
they're
in
good
shape,
so
we're
just
going
to
take
the
striping.
Please
striping
off
of
them
we're
going
to
return
our
SRO
Vehicles
over
time.
Back
to
the
traditional
police
marking,
so
when
they're
sitting
in
front
of
the
school,
they
have
a
traditional
Apopka,
Police
Department
marking,
not
the
fancy
marking
that
they
currently
have
nothing's
wrong
with
it.
I
just
think
that
we'd
like
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
vehicles
are
consistent
when
it
comes
to
where
our
Patrol
Personnel
are.
C
We
are
going
to
purchase
one
Chevy
Traverse
to
replace
a
DEA
rental
vehicle.
Currently
we
lease
a
vehicle
through
a
DEA
contract
that
lease
has
gotten
so
expensive.
It's
much
cheaper
for
us
to
go
out
and
buy
a
car
then
pay
for
that
lease.
So
we're
gonna
we've
already
let
the
lease
go.
We
have
him
in
a
temporary
vehicle,
but
it
will
be
outfitted
for
our
new
canine
Artemis
total
vehicle
request.
Cost
is
approximately
1.6
million
dollars.
E
G
E
So
I'm
going
to
use
because
I'm
I'm
trying
to
reconcile
The
Columns
here
so
like
I'll,
just
use
one
of
the
things
that
he
mentioned.
The
25
000
College
reimbursement,
I,
see
the
line
item
there
and
it's
under
the
proposed
budget
details.
There's
four
columns
here.
What's
the
difference
between
the
four
columns.
H
G
Just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
following
column
is
the
base
button,
in
other
words,
we
put
in
a
base
for
them
to
start.
You
can
hear
me
now
sorry
about
that
is
the
base
budget.
The
next
column
is
the
details
of
those
line
items
so
and
then
the
next
column
is
the
total
of
that
detail.
So
this
is
the
system,
so
you
take
the
base
budget
and
you
add
that
change
to
come
to
the
proposed
budget,
but
in
order
to
see
the
details,
this
is
how
this
open.
E
C
And
commissioner
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
my
individual
budget
per
se,
because
if
you
get
down
to
the
details
like
every
year
on
our
line
items
I
have
included.
Why
there's
an
increase?
Why
there's
a
decrease?
Why
it's
removed
and
everything
else
so
that
detail
is
in
my
budget
like
it
has
been
for
the
last
eight
years,
explaining
that
you
know
our
vendors
have
told
us
that
we
can
expect
an
eight
to
ten
percent
increase
next
year.
C
E
C
E
C
C
C
My
recommendations
for
both
of
these
is
that
we
set
aside
approximately
10
acres.
That's
at
the
Gillum
Training
Center,
that's
treated
right.
Now
that
way,
we
can
incorporate
what
the
fire
department's
doing
with
their
Regional
Training
Center,
and
what
the
police
department's
Training
Center
would
be
all
in
one
location
located
in
the
city
for
the
proposed
substation
I
think
there
is
approximately
four
acres
across
from
station
five.
We
can
have
a
little
Public
Safety
complex
there
on.
D
C
No,
not
brush
Firehouse
Lane,
which
I
think
should
be
changed
to
Public
Safety
Drive
once
we
do
this
just
for
the
wreck,
just
just
saying,
I
had
to
take
a
chance
at
it
anyways,
but
really
what
I'm
trying
to
get
to
is
make
sure
that
you
understand
that
we
have
some
serious
needs
coming
up
in
the
next
five
to
eight
years
and
we
need
to
start
planning
for
that.
We
need
to
start
looking
for
those
locations.
Properties
not
getting
cheaper.
The
city
has
some
property.
C
I
did
talk
to
Radley
the
parks
and
rec
director
he's
okay
with
that
location.
If
that's
where
we
decide
to
set
aside
for
that
he's
building
his
tennis
courts
off
of
brush
drive,
and
so
it
is
a
location
that
is
feasible
as
well
as
it
appears
that
the
Gillum
Training
Center
property
in
10
acres
should
be
sufficient
to
build
a
training
center
there,
our
Indoor
Range,
our
current
range
is
a
struggle.
We
can
only
shoot
there
Monday
through
Friday
eight
to
five.
C
We
send
our
midnight
shift
to
shoot
straight
to
do
low
light,
shooting
because
those
are
the
conditions
they
work
in.
We
get
complaints.
All
the
time
about
our
shooting
at
the
range
from
all
the
subdivisions
that
have
developed
around
the
range
we're
going
to
have
to
move
it
in
the
near
future.
Sooner
than
later.
So
with
that,
thank
you
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
at
this
time.
B
B
C
C
J
The
hope
is
to
get
the
salary
survey
done
as
Mike
indicated
it
could
come
in
even
higher
than
what
he's
projecting.
So
that's
why
we
want
to
get
the
salary
survey
out
there
and
get
the
information
back
to
y'all
it's.
It
won't
be
back
by
October
1st,
but
I'm,
hoping
with
within
that
first
quarter
of
next
year.
J
You
should
have
that
study
back
to
you
all,
and
then
we
would
come
for
additional
adjustments
throughout
the
city,
because
it's
not
just
the
police
department,
there's
almost
every
Department
that's
being
affected
by
trying
to
hire
and
as
I
indicated
yesterday,
we've
got
over
50
positions
available
right
now
that
we're
having
a
hard
time
filling
because
our
salaries
are
low
in
the
market.
What's.
E
J
J
C
C
J
E
E
You
know
when
you
first
get
the
position
you're,
not
necessarily
looking
at
retirement,
but
you
also
have
to
consider
that,
because
our
our
pension
benefit
is
very
good,
and
so
the
total
compensation
package
needs
to
be
articulated.
But
when
we
do
a
salary
study,
it's
not
just
the
the
beginning
or
top
out
and
et
cetera,
but
what
is
the
impact
of
having
a
six
percent?
E
Just
almost
automatic
annual
Personnel
cost
increase
year
over
year?
Because
again,
when
we
look
at
property
taxes,
that's
only
that's
a
small
lever.
That's
only
if
you
look
at
General
funds,
specifically,
our
property
tax
is
only
30
percent
of
of
that
expenditure.
When
you
apply
it
to
the
entire
budget,
it's
13,
so
you
can
only
do
so
much
with
property
taxes
when
you're
talking
about
that
and
then
obviously
the
long-term
pension
benefit
of
of
that
is
something.
J
C
Then
there's
numerous
challenges
because,
like
I
said
earlier,
and
law
enforcement
isn't
all
four
tens,
it's
not
all
straight
12
hours.
The
sheriff's
office
is
on
12
hours,
but
they
work
one
eight
hours
so
that
they're
at
80
hours
every
two
weeks,
some
agencies
work
the
21
48
or
whatever
it
was
hours
per
year
and
they're
compensated
in
that
way,
we
work
2080.
and
I
agree
with
you
all
those
things
need
to
be
taken
into
consideration
so
that
you
can
compare
apples
to
apples.
C
C
Same
wheelhouse,
but
yeah
and
I
mean
we
have
shown
our
employees
over
the
last
couple
years.
How
you
know
one
things
they
don't
realize
is
how
much
of
their
insurance
premium
the
city
actually
pays.
We
show
that
to
them
so
that
they
understand
you
know
the
city's
paying
three
quarters
or
whatever
the
percentages
of
your
health,
insurance
and
you're
only
paying
this
amount
of
it.
They
don't
understand
that
recently,
through
Voya
and
discussions
with
them,
we
changed
our
Deferred
Comp.
C
Contributions
from
you
can
either
make
a
defined
amount,
or
you
can
make
a
percentage
I'm
meeting
with
all
my
employees
and
explaining
to
them,
because
they
don't
understand
the
difference
of
how
important
it
is
to
do
the
percentage,
because
if
you
do
a
percentage
and
you
get
a
raise,
your
Deferred
Comp
contribution
just
went
up.
If
you
stay
with
a
defined
contribution
in
your
Deferred
Comp
and
you
get
a
raise,
human
nature
is
you're,
not
going
back
and
saying:
oh
I
need
to
add
five
more
dollars
to
my
deferred
com
drop.
C
E
Well
to
that
end,
and
maybe
maybe
the
survey
question
was
a
little
vague
because
it
did
say,
are
you
happy
with
your
benefits
versus
compensation
and
benefits
right?
But
to
that
end
I
mean
your
department
was
tied
for
the
highest
response
rate.
You
had
the
most
in
terms
of
volume.
So
do
you
feel
like
the
budget
that
you
have
here
really
kind
of
goes
to
the
spirit
of
what
their
feedback
was
in
that
survey,
you
feel,
like
your
department,
is
behind
this
budget.
Yeah.
C
I,
do
I
have
a
Chiefs
advisory
committee
that
I
meet
with
every
quarter
and
listen
to
what
they
say.
It's
just
me
and
them
nobody
else.
Nobody
between
their
chain
of
command
is
in
the
room
and
just
me
and
them
my
last
one
took
four
hours
that
I
spent
with
them
to
listen
to
what
their
concerns
are
and
make
adjustments,
or
the
biggest
benefit
of
that
is
to
explain
to
them.
C
C
You
know
they
chose
a
couple
years
ago
by
an
overwhelming
amount,
not
to
unionize
what
that
did
is
put
their
terms
and
conditions
of
employment
on
my
shoulders
and
that's
why?
Every
year,
you
hear
me
coming
up
here
very
detailed,
very
methodical,
trying
to
make
sure
that
I'm
getting
our
agency
and
our
swarm
members
and
and
our
civilian
members
of
the
Apopka
Police
Department
what
they
deserve.
What's
in
the
market,
it's
much
easier.
E
I
mean
my
primary
thing:
when
I
send
my
stuff
over
to
Mr
Fabric
and
Ms
Sherman
was
you
know,
top
of
the
house,
for
me
is
just
proper
Staffing
model
we're
properly
staffed
to
serve
the
residents
of
Apopka,
and
it's
your
to
your
credit.
You
fought
for
staff
every
single
budget
here
now,
whether
or
not
that's
been
approved
or
not.
That's
a
different
story,
but
I
admire
that
you're
going
to
bat,
even
though
you
have
deficiencies
in
terms
of
Staffing
right
now
to
get
to
a
model
where
you're,
properly
staffed
and
marching
to
that.
C
Well
and
I
think
it's
important
that
you
all
and
the
community
understands
exactly
where
we're
at
right
now
and
if
we
don't
remain
competitive,
we're
not
going
to
overcome
this
it.
It's
the
law
enforcement
career
is
a
challenge
right
now
and
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
start
finding
people
to
sponsor
the
problem
with
sponsoring
them
is
now
we
just
added.
You
know
we
have
26
weeks
of
the
fto
program.
C
Now
we
just
added
another
three
months
for
the
Academy,
so
now
we're
looking
at
seven
eight
months
before
we
ever
they're
out
in
that
patrol
car
by
themselves,
it's
much
quicker
to
find
a
certified
person,
but
they're
not
out
there.
They
are
just
not
available
because
everybody's
sponsoring
that's
why
we
asked
for
the
sponsorships
and.
E
Budget
when
we,
when
we
look
at
like
what
you
gave
to
here
for
revenue
on
under
the
adopted
budget,
it's
for
the
entire
budget,
it's
148
million,
roughly
speaking
of
total
revenue
for
the
adopted
budget
for
2023..
The
projected
Revenue
that
you
have
on
here
is
126
666.,
so
there's
a
Delta
there
of
an
under
under
revenue
or
light
to
revenue
by
about
21
million
dollars
projected
for
2023.
G
E
G
C
E
C
We
are
going
to
have
to
carry
over
quite
a
bit
of
money
for
our
vehicles
that
aren't
here
yet
or
handle
them.
However,
Ms
Sherman
would
like
us
to.
We
do
have
several
numerous
ones
and,
like
I
said
we're
still
carrying
over
stuff
from
FY
2122
waiting
for
the
vehicles
to
get
here
and
I
came
back
to
you
all
I
think
over
a
year
ago
for
a
crime
scene
van
a
year
and
a
half
ago
it
just
came
in
it
just
hit
the
ground.
C
We
just
sent
it
over
to
Dana,
be
outfitted,
and
that's
that's.
Our
challenge
with
our
vehicles.
Right
now
is
is
the
timeline,
and
so
we
are
carrying
over.
So
a
lot
of
the
money
that
you
see
in
our
budget
is
probably
going
to
be
carried
over
for
some
of
that.
Obviously,
the
Personnel
expenses
will
be
what
they
are
because
of
our
vacancies.
So.
J
J
A
C
Accomplishes
two
things:
it
is
a
benefit
that
a
lot
of
the
agencies
provide
to
their
personnel.
So
as
we're
recruiting,
we
can
bring
that
up
that
we
offer
up
to
1200
a
year
towards
College
reimbursement.
It
also
is
given
an
opportunity
for
our
current
employees
to
become
better
educated,
which
is
important
to
me
and
I
think
our
community,
that
we
have
the
best
trained
and
the
best
educated
police
officers
that
we
can
so
I
think
it
accomplishes
two
things.
C
A
C
We
could
probably
come
up
with
some
kind
of
agreement.
We've
developed
an
agreement
for
those
that
we're
going
to
sponsor
that
they,
if
they
don't
complete
the
academy
and
they
don't
work
for
the
Apopka
Police
Department
for
a
minimum
of
two
years,
they
will
reimburse
us
the
four
thousand
dollars
for
their
Academy
class
that
we're
expensing.
C
C
We
have
some
of
them
already
in
college,
so
it'll
help
them
out
they're
already
preparing
for
that,
but
it
you
know,
be
nice
to
have
the
reimbursement
for
what
they
are.
So
it
depends
on
how
many
credit
hours
you
know,
they're
not
going
to
take
a
full
load
and
and
work
as
a
police
officer
or
civilian
in
the
police
department.
Most
of
them
are
part-time,
getting
their
degrees.
C
I
mean
if
we
were
talking
a
full
load,
yeah
I
could
see
that
you
know
some
people
can't
afford
that.
But
I
think
right
now
those
that
are
going
to
college
and
those
that
might
want
to
go
to
college
are
going
to
take
those
courses
that
they
think
they
can
afford
and
once
they
pass
the
class,
then
we're
going
to
reimburse
them
for
that.
The.
A
C
We
have
pool
cars
they're
there
for
each
one
of
the
I
mean
each
each
squad
has
their
own
set
one
or
two
full
cars
that
are
available
to
them
in
case
you
know
one
of
them
breaks
down
during
the
evening
or
something
else
we
do
have
spare
cars,
so
we
will
be
able
to
outfit
them.
We
just
will
have
a
lot
less
pool
cars.
C
D
F
I
F
C
It's
just
a
matter
of
what
it's
going
to
cost
and
which
one
grants
we're
going
to
try
to
use
I'm
really
trying
to
save
the
twenty
thousand
dollar
Grant
I
forgot
to
put
in
my
budget,
so
I'm
going
to
deal
with
it
myself.
Shame
on
me
I
think
that,
for
the
events
we
have
out
at
the
amphitheater
and
some
of
the
other
events
around
the
city,
we
really
need
one
of
those
mobile
units.
C
C
Of
see
yes,
sir
I
know
I
just
actually
spoke
to
Corporal
dorazio.
Today
again
about
it,
he
came
in
and
told
me
that
he
was
actually
reached
out
to
Duke
to
see
if
they
could
help
us
with
the
polls
and
some
of
the
other
stuff
to
offset
some
of
the
costs
and
he's
waiting
for
a
phone
call
back
from
them.
So
we
are
trying
to
obtain
a
cost.
C
F
C
C
So
if
we
had
enough
off
duty
here,
it
would
be
a
competitive
market
and
understand
45
dollars
an
hour
is
the
minimum.
It
doesn't
mean
that
employer
can't
pay
50
55
60..
We
were
actually
getting
paid
about
ten
dollars
an
hour.
Less
than
other
officers
work
in
the
UCF
football
games,
I've
corrected
that
talked
to
their
Chief,
told
him.
C
It's
not
acceptable
and
he
agreed
so
we're
going
up
to
sixty
dollars
to
work
those
games
same
I
mean
we
should
be
making
the
same
amount
of
money
as
a
person's
the
officer
standing
next
to
them
from
another
department.
Absolutely
and
that's
the
way
it
works
at
Orlando.
The
problem
with
Orlando
is:
there
are
nightclubs,
downtown,
are
paying
100
an
hour
and
that's
where
their
officers
are
going
because
they
get
the
first
crack
at
the
off
duty.
Fortunately
we're
on
the
same
off-duty
program
as
they
are.
C
F
F
C
Sir,
so
usually
your
unit
contract
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
I,
don't
know
I
shouldn't
say
this:
why
a
union
would
lock
in
a
multi-year
contract
with
today's
environment.
To
be
honest
with
you,
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
because
you're
now,
every
one
of
them
has
a
reopener
clause
in
it,
so
it
could
be
reopened
if
the
city
and
the
union
agreed
to
it.
Obviously,
if
you're
talking
salary
increase
the
union
is
going
to
agree
to,
it
would
be
the
the
commission
that
would
have
to
agree
to
do
the
reopener.
F
C
You
know
that
everybody
knows
that
I
think
we
should
be
behind
the
two
big
dogs
and
that's
Orlando
and
Orange
County
top
three,
and
that's
that's
where
I'm
putting
this
I
I
didn't
ask
to
put
us
above
them,
I
asked
to
put
us
right
below
both
of
them:
they're
1600
sworn
roughly,
maybe
1800
sworn
by
now,
the
other
one's
over
800
sworn
and
we're
at
132.,
but
based
on
our
growth,
we're
going
to
be
over
200
within
the
next
eight
years.
Probably.
C
I
think
we
did
the
last
you
know.
The
sad
thing
is:
is
the
city
of
Popcaan
never
had
impact
fees
for
police
and
fire
until
2016
I
think
it
is
so
we
missed
a
lot
of
opportunity
during
the
growth
and
it's
time
to
you,
know,
look
at
those
impact
fees
again
and
make
sure
that
they're
where
they
need
to
be
because
we
do
have
some
needs
within
the
police
department,
I'm
sure
within
the
fire
department.
C
C
Much
longer
with
you
know,
we
have
to
shoot
some
Saturdays
and
we
get
all
kinds
of
complaints
and
I'm
sure
it's
just
a
matter
as
the
growth
continues
around
that
area
that
you
all
are
going
to
start
getting
the
complaints
about
a
shooting,
especially
when
swat's
out
there
with
the
high-powered
rifles
and
everything
else,
even
though
they
know
there's
a
range
there.
Our
com
Center
still
gets
multiple
calls
every
time
we
start
up.
C
We
qualify
fi
every
year,
although
FDLE
require
only
requires
us
bi-annually
we
qualify
every
year
and
we
have
a
more
stringent
Firearms
course
than
what
fdla
requires.
We
shoot
them
both.
So
it's
we're
out
there
quite
a
bit
and
we
do
have
other
agencies
that
need
to
use
it
every
once
in
a
while
too.
C
G
You
did
and
again
that's
some
of
the
funds
that
we
have
set
aside.
We
have
a
a
lump
sum
of
money
set
aside
for
various
salary
adjustments
that
came
to
about
thirty
thousand,
and
you
also
requested
an
assistant
for
all
of
the
Commissioners,
and
that
was
with
Benefits
about
a
hundred
and
fourteen
thousand.
So.
A
Or
yes,
like,
like
the
fire
department
and
the
police
department
received
from
the
state,
the
communications
technicians
are
the
first
line
of
offense.
They
get
the
call
before
police
and
fire
does,
but
they
didn't
get.
The
thousand
dollars
like
the
fire
department.
Police
department
did
so
I
asked
since
the
state
didn't
that
they're
important
to
us,
and
we
should
treat
them
as
such.
C
C
C
C
G
M
Good
evening,
mayor
Commissioners,
members
of
the
public
Sean
Weiland
fire
chief
I'm
here
to
present
the
2324
budget
presentation
for
the
fire
department,
Chief
McKinley
alluded
to
a
few
things.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
understands
we're
currently
in
negotiations
with
the
local
5293,
Apopka,
firefighters,
professional
associations.
M
A
couple
of
you
attended
and
have
seen
the
commissioner
Pulaski
as
their
commissioner
Nesta
they're,
going
very
positive.
Thus
far.
You
know
the
items
that
will
I'm
presenting
here
today
are
more
operational
related
to
the
fire
department
and
not
benefit
heavy.
Like
the
police
departments
more,
we
have
been
working
with
Finance
to
cost
out
and
earmark
monies
for
those
benefits
and
I.
Believe
that's
the
the
money
that
brings
this
thing
she
has
set
aside.
G
M
With
that
just
want
to
start
off
with
where,
where
we're
at
and
with
the
fire
department,
our
yearly
call
volume,
as
you
can
see,
is
turning
upwards
as
it
has
been
the
past
few
years.
There
was
that
a
slight
dip
in
2020,
which
was
a
covered
year
heavy
covered
year,
which
is
typical
for
our
industry,
so
we're
up
to
9981
calls
and
we're
definitely
turning
upwards.
This
year,
we're
expecting
it
north
of
10
000
calls.
M
M
M
M
Public
fire
department
has
an
insurance
service
office,
a
score
of
one.
It
is
the
highest
possible
rating
and
we've
something
we
maintained
since
2004..
This
is
the
current
Florida
graph.
They
put
it
out
each
year
across
the
country
over
forty,
seven
thousand
departments
are
rated
and
ISO.
One
is
our
score
again
with
putting
it
still
at
the
top
1.03
percent
of
the
country.
M
M
We
currently
sit
as
I
mean
this.
A
lot
of
this
will
be
repeated
from
Chief
McKinley's
presentation,
but
we
clearly
said
at
57.
390
in
population
square
mileage
is
35.921
square
miles
for
a
population
density
of
1597
per
square
mile.
We
currently
have
a
total
of
132
fire
personnel,
which
is
2.35
fires
per
thousand
and
3.67
firefighters
per
mile.
That
puts
us
at
one
firefighter
for
every
434
in
population.
M
B
M
M
M
So
again,
you
can
see
it's
compared
another
way
to
look
at.
It
is
on
a
graph
again.
It
shows
local
fire
departments
or
firefighter
ratio
with
a
national
average
in
there
again
we're
going
to
consider
the
contract
area
because
we're
responsible
for
it
that's
kind
of
our
look,
but
as
Chief
McKinley
alluded
to
that's,
not
the
whole
picture,
we
are
growing
and
we
are
growing
rapidly.
We
all
know
this
200
currently
under
construction,
20
to
2952
dwelling
units
and
again
same
math,
2.72
five
hours
per
household.
M
So
my
revenues
to
go
over
those
real,
quick,
again
change
Healthcare
is
our
EMS
billing
company
we're
rejected
about
1.3
million
this
year.
This
was
our
total
number
for
2022
as
far
as
ALS
versus
BLS
calls
and
those
these
are
actually
build,
calls
not
actual
calls.
So
these
are
calls
we
actually
build.
For
so
out
of
those
67
were
ALS,
one
two
percent
were
ALS
2
and
31
were
BLS
or
walk.
M
Sure
ALS
is
Advanced.
Life
support
one
being
kind
of
the
lower
level
of
advanced
life
support.
In
other
words,
if
we
have
to
start
an
IV,
you
know
heart,
monitor
things
like
that.
Als
2
is
more
significant,
obviously
we're
doing
more
evasive
procedures
and
bls's
basic
life
support.
So
it's
throwing
you
on
oxygen
Band-Aid.
You
know
basic
basic
life
support,
stuff,
okay,.
M
M
It
depends
on
what
qualifies
for
actually
being
billed
again.
Yes,
we
this
is,
we
transport
way
probably
way
more
patients.
Does
that
make
sense,
but
what
actually
gets
billed
is
goes
through
embedded
through
the
billing
company
itself.
So
with
the
5346
are
the
ones
that
are
actually
billable
calls.
Sometimes
they
don't
qualify.
It
depends
on.
You
know
certain
parameters
they
have
to
meet.
M
M
Part
of
the
agreement
is
a
threshold
of
1500
calls,
be
it
in
the
contract
area
or
outside,
because
we
also
assist
those
other
stations
station
20
station
28
station
27.
we're
finding
a
trend
over
the
last
three
years
that
we
are
north
of
that
1500
calls
for
service.
So
it's
something
we're
going
to
be
exploring
and
looking
at
in
the
future.
So.
M
M
D
M
Again,
the
adopted
fee
schedule:
we've
been
working
diligently
with
it
and
with
the
building
department
to
get
our
forms
and
permit
program
up
and
running
we're
really
excited.
We
have
actually
been
having
a
lot
of
meetings
this
past
month
and
have
some
in
the
future
again
a
conservative
estimate.
This
is
going
to
be
charging
now
for
our
inspections
and
also
charging
for
permits
such
things
as
fireworks
displays
things
like
that.
So
conservative
estimate
of
230
000
with
that
and
then
getting
to
our
some
of
our
budget
highlights
Fire
Chiefs
office.
M
First,
we're
just
going
to
go
in
order
of
our
of
our
divisions,
so
we'll
do
fire
chiefs
office.
First
and
again,
this
is
going
to
be
highlights.
It's
not
everything!
That's
on
your
on
your
sheets
again!
So
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
don't
hesitate
to
ask
but
big
one
for
us
is
our
department
clinician.
M
We
started
this
this
year,
adding
actually
we're
the
only
Department
in
the
region
to
have
a
on
staff
department.
Clinician,
it's
something!
That's
been
very
beneficial
to
us
with
with
the
rough
year
we've
had,
and
it's
something
we
want
to
continue
on
in
the
future.
So
we
have
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
keep
her
on
board
flow.
Msp
is
a
program
we
want
to
start
and
implement.
It
is
a
pre-fire
plan
program,
so
a
pre-fire
plan.
M
What
that
is
is
something
that
we
go
out
on
a
six
month
or
yearly
basis
and
look
at
every
structure.
Every
building,
every
business
we
have
in
the
city
and
biggest
thing
with
that
is
the
firefighters
get
familiarization
with
those
with
those
buildings.
They
look
at
the
hazards
there.
They
look
at
the
what's,
what's
contained
inside,
to
look
at
the
life
safety
issues,
it's
separate
from
the
inspection
side
inspection.
They
look
for
the
violations.
Things
like
that.
M
M
You'd
literally
have
to
either
get
a
copy
of
the
schematics
from
the
the
building
owner
or
something
like
that
or
Draw
them
out
yourself
and
we've
had
we
used
to
have
a
program
called
fire
zone,
we
could
go
back
and
draw
that
with
them
as
well,
but
what
this
program
does
again,
as
it
puts
it
into
a
records
management
system,
and
we
actually
can
go
on
our
iPads
and
download
and
have
instant
access
to
those
plans.
Once
they're
established
everything
we've
looked
at.
M
It
takes
about
five
minutes
which
even
you
know,
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
It
takes
five
minutes
to
create
a
new
pre-plane,
which
is
pretty
amazing
and
the
technology
now
with
Apple
Maps
and
all
the
different
stuff
they
have
out
there.
Everything's
integrated
biggest
thing
is
the
records
management
system.
They
delivers
that
information
back
during
an
incident.
So
instead
of
having
a
big
binder
full
of
information
about
a
building,
it's
all
easy
access
on
the
iPads
and
as
they're
in
route.
M
They
can
start
looking
at
some
of
this
information,
so
something
you
want
to
implement
flow
flow.
Msp
HSI
is
a
health
safety,
health
and
health
safety
management
system.
Again
this
is
a
program
that's
going
to
allow
us
to
start
tracking
our
Trends
and
reducing
future
risks.
It
looks
at
everything
from
any
incident
report
accident
report
that
is
given
to
us
we
put
in
this
system
any
piece
of
new
equipment
we
have
is
actually
tracked
with
the
system
and
it
allows
us
to
track
those
Trends.
The
program
actually
creates
training
based
on
Trends.
M
So
let's
say
we
buy
a
new
piece
of
hose
and
we
noticed
that
for
some
reason
the
couplings
come
on
loose
and
they
start.
You
know
they
cause
an
injury.
Well,
if
we
see
a
trend
with
that,
we
know
that
that
piece
of
hose
has
an
issue
when
we
we
identify
that
we
can
get
rid
of
that
it
also
again
it's
no
longer
paper-based
and
it
helps
prevent
future
injuries.
That's
the
big
thing
again:
it
starts
tracking
that
that
system.
So
it's
something
where
we
want
to
implement.
M
B
B
I
B
M
That's
a
system
we
are
so
it's
kind
of
yes
and
no
you're
I
think
you're
confusing
two
things.
We
currently
have
another
asset
management
system
that
tracks
we
got
last
year,
PS
tracks,
I,
don't
know
if
you
remember,
is
actually
in
the
budget
to
renew
this
year
too,
but
that's
an
asset
management
program.
Okay.
So
this
is
more
safety,
specific,
okay,.
M
Words
anything
with
any
of
our
checklists
check.
Excuse
me
checklist
our
our
station
inspections
that
we
do
now
on
a
quarterly
basis,
any
new
Opera,
again
apparatus
or
some
sort
of
piece
of
equipment.
We
can
put
that
into
this
program
and
again
it
kind
of
helps
Chief
Manor
because
he's
not
the
one
who's
having
to
put
it
all.
In
now
this.
This
software
is
actually
going
to
track
it
for
him
for
us
and
actually
give
us
reports
and
say:
okay
based
on
you
know,
am
I,
you
know.
M
Hopefully
you
know
we
don't
get
anything
major
reported
to
us,
but
it
will
if
the
system
will
be
in
place
even
things
as
simple
as
the
MSDS
sheets.
You
know
what
those
are
material
safety
data
sheets,
so
any
chemical
you
have
in
your
in
your
stations
or
anything
like
that.
It
tracks
all
those,
so
they
can
identify
those
quickly
as
well.
So
it's
very
much
a
safety
based
management
system
versus
Asset
Management.
M
Another
thing
we're
going
to
add
annual
Behavioral
Health
assessment
for
all
of
our
staff.
This
is
something
in
FPA.
1582
recommends
again.
We
all
are
very
cognizant
of
the
physical
requirements
of
being
a
firefighter
and
their
first
responder.
We
have
the
physicals
set
up
every
year,
where
they're
evaluated
for
their
physical
fitness.
This
is
something
you
want
to
add
and
just
have
something
in
place
and
checks
and
balances
to
see
where
we're
at
mentally.
M
M
Traveling
per
diem
and
Chief's
office,
we
are
going
to
have
South
Dakota
every
year
every
year,
but
each
year
we
have
a
fire
truck,
that's
and
we
currently
have
one
in
Center
production
engine.
Four
we
just
arrived
about
a
month
ago.
It's
still
at
the
garage
or
hopefully
get
it
in
service
within
the
next
week
or
two,
but
the
current
engine
and
Center
production
every
year.
We
have
to
send
up
a
few
of
our
folks
to
do
the
final
inspection
for
that
truck
and
that's
the
cost
it's
gonna
to
send
them
up
there.
M
Fire
department
safety
conference
is
in
Phoenix
this
year.
This
is
the
mount
lauded
for
travel
and
per
diem
for
chief
mannered
and
two
other
Personnel
to
travel.
Fdic
in
in
the
Indianapolis
is
the
who's
who
of
the
instructor
conferences.
We
are
that's
enough
to
send
Chief
Knapp
and
two
personnel
as
well.
M
M
B
M
M
M
This
is
in
again
an
independent
process
that
provides
verification
to
you
all
and
to
the
community
that
quality
Care
is
being
provided
to
community
and
this
one's
specific
to
ambulance,
ammo
Services,
there's
ten
thousand
dollars
gets
us
started
in
the
process.
This
is
a
multi-year
project
on
getting
accredited,
but
this
gets
us,
starting
with
the
process
and
meeting
with
the
the
correct
people
to
get
this
process
rolling.
F
M
M
No
I
think
I
think
we're
it's
the
more
the
process
of
how
we
get
there.
Basically
anything
else,
accreditation,
there's,
there's
different
types
in
the
fire
service,
there's
Cass,
which
is
ambulance
based
and
our
sepsi,
which
is
Center
for
Public
Safety
Excellence,
which
dives
into
the
fire
and
Emergency
Management
side,
and
it's
really
a
city-wide
thing
again.
We
wanted.
We
want
to
tackle
this
one
first,
but
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
again
you
establishing
your
parameters
and
where
you
want
to
be
in
the
next
few
years.
M
So
again,
that's
kind
of
what
it
takes:
Pro
a
process
to
get
there
this.
This
is
again
our
initial
footage
of
the
Lord
to
get
information
to
get
kind
of
our
really.
The
packet
is
funnies.
That
sounds
to
see
what
we
need
to
look
at
and
there
will
be
some
changes.
Implementation
changes.
As
far
as
you
know,
we
might
need
to
tweak
some
of
our
sogs
and
things
like
that,
but
that's
typical
for
for
any
accreditation
process.
F
M
M
The
other
things
with
training
just
again
specific
to
the
fire
chief's
office,
Florida
Fire,
Chiefs,
Association
health
and
safety
conference.
We're
going
to
be
sending
Chief
Banner
that
as
well
and
UCF,
react
peer
support,
training
and
FPA
peer
support.
This
is
for
10
of
our
Personnel
to
go
to
that
training
for
peer
support
and
it
says,
covered
under
the
fire.
Chief's
office,
as
Chief
McKinley
alluded
to
and
Mr
fabric
alluded
to.
M
M
F
M
B
M
F
E
G
F
M
I
M
Suppression
moving
on
to
2120
again,
these
are
just
highlights.
You
know
the
big
big
item
tickets,
annual
liner
testing,
which
we
just
started
this
year
in
1971
and
1851
NFPA
recommendations-
and
you
know
now
annual
pump
testing
and
hose
and
nozzle
testing
were
actually
going
to
Outsource
we're
having
a
third
party
come
in
and
complete
that
for
us,
and
we
currently
have
aerial
apparatus
testing
completed.
But
that's
all
in
this
package
for
the
65
000,
okay,.
M
M
A
few
years
ago,
they
came
out
with
a
new
requirement
to
have
that
inspected,
thoroughly
inspected
and
actually
look
at
the
inside
liner,
and
then
we
have
a
company
third-party
company
that
comes
out
and
actually
looks
at
in
detail
all
of
our
bunker
gear,
everyone's
assigned
bunker
gear
and
make
sure
that
it's
up
and
then,
if
it
needs
to
be
repaired,
to
actually
fix
it
while
they're
here
too,
okay
yeah.
So
it's
a
little
I'm.
Sorry,
the
inner
liner
of
our
bunker
gear.
B
I
B
M
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
so
the
pump
testing
is
our
fire
pumps
they're
required
there's
actually
when
they
get
certified
as
a
fire
pump,
it
comes
with
a
recommendation
or
a
table
actually
on
the
engine,
believe
it
or
not,
and
you
have
different
pressures
it
has
to
every
year
it
has
to
meet
the
same
amount
of
volume
that
comes
out
of
it.
Typically
in
the
past,
we've
done
this
ourselves
in-house,
but
it's
something
we're
now
Outsourcing
to
so.
M
B
M
Then
aerial
apprise
is
obviously
the
ladders.
You
know
the
the
high
we
actually
they
go
to
Steward
Cinemas
strenuous
tests
as
well
and
knows,
and
who
knows,
excuse
me
hose
and
nozzle
testing.
Now
again
our
fire
hose
it
gets
drug
around.
You
know
every
year
it
has
to
meet
a
certain
pressure
and
it's
maintain
that
pressure
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
So
now
we
have
a
company
that
comes
out.
Does
that
inner
nozzles
as
well
to
make
sure
they're
within
working
capacity.
M
Other
things
in
the
suppression
or
in
operating
supplies
we're
going
to
finish
out
our
45
minute
bottle.
Replacements.
We
went
from
30
to
45
minute
bottles
over
the
past
few
years
this
year,
we'll
be
able
to
do
that.
Our
bunker
gear
replacement
this
year,
we're
going
to
finish
out
and
and
everyone's
going
to
get
their
second
set
of
bunker
gear
for
all
firefighters.
M
One
of
the
requests
Chief
Knapp,
our
training
Chief,
had
for
the
training
center
was
equipment
dedicated
to
the
training
center
a
lot
of
times
we
have
apparatuses
down
there,
we're
pulling
ladders
off
off
of
our
trucks.
Things
like
that.
So
now
we're
going
to
have
a
complement
of
ladders
tools,
hoses
Etc
dedicated
just
to
training
at
the
training
center,
we're
also
putting
in
Iowa
stations
and
emergency
showers
at
all
stations.
That's
something
Chief
manager
is
handling
and
basics
for
all
stations.
M
Tech
gen
51
firefighter
fatigues
for
all
firefighters.
This
is
something
that
is
we're
excited
about.
We
kind
of
talked
about
just
a
minute
ago.
The
structural
firefighting
gear
structural
firefighting
gear
has
a
few
different
layers.
It
has
a
vapor
layer
layer,
it
has
a
liner,
it
has
the
outer
layer.
These
are
pretty
much
just
an
outer
layer.
If
that
makes
sense.
So
in
Florida
we
know
it
gets
the
wind
chill
factor
every
day
is
like
horrible
right,
but
okay,
but
it
gets
hot
on
the
street.
M
So
when
we're
responding
to
things
like
brush
fires,
even
auto
accidents
we're
going
to
purchase
this
for
all
every
firefighter
to
have
to
wear
those
fatigues
or
those
turnouts
to
replace
the
structural
firefighting
gear
in
those
capacities.
So
if
it's
a
structural,
related
fire,
obviously
they're
going
to
be
still
in
their
bunker
gear
or
their
structural
firefighter
gear,
does
that
make
sense.
B
M
I
M
M
The
idea
of
this
is
to
specifically
teach
air
entrainment
and
water
mapping,
in
other
words,
firefighters.
When
they
come
out
of
the
academy,
they
learn
how
to
pull
lines
and
you
flow
water,
certain
places,
but
this
from
an
external
viewing
and
also
the
firefighters
internally,
can
see
what
their
streams
are
doing.
M
It
kind
of
teaches
them
again
flow
pass
through
buildings,
and
things
like
that
and
the
Florida
flow
path
is,
is
even
you
know
if
we
open
a
door
to
go
in
and
fight
a
fire
a
lot
of
times
as
soon
as
we
open
the
door,
we
are
starting
to
feed
the
fire
as
well,
even
by
opening
our
fire
streams
at
times
we're
actually
helping
to
feed
that
fire
as
well.
So
this
kind
of
teaches
the
firefighters
how
to
more
correctly
extinguish
fires.
M
So
it's
again
they
look
at
the
flow
path,
which
is
again
that
air
movement
within
a
structure
and
again
how
these
visually
and
interactively
demonstrate
these
Concepts.
So
something
pretty
neat,
that's
something
he
wanted
and
also
the
roof
prop
to
the
left.
There
is
kind
of
self-explanatory,
but
it
recreates
a
pitched
roof
where
we
can
actually
practice
ventilation
and
things
like
that
throughout.
M
Another
thing
he
requested
to
go
out
to
each
station
is:
it's:
have
each
station
get
their
own
forcible
entry
door
prop
so
stations
there's
one
currently
at
this
training
center?
So
all
the
other
existing
stations
will
now
get
this
forcible
entry
door
prop
and
basically
allows
the
firefighters
to
beat
up
the
store
for
lack
of
better
terms
and
practice
on
a
daily
basis
at
their
stations,
with
a
forcing
entry.
M
Equipment
and
Machinery
we're
buying
another
set
of
hydraulic
tools
which
are
the
jaws
of
life,
the
battery
powered
jaws
of
life.
We
are
getting
gear
extractors
for
stations,
two
three
and
four
for
59
000,
a
gear
dryer
for
five
stations.
Currently
again,
we
have
one
in
existence
for
routing
for
the
other
five
in
ice
machines
for
the
four
stations,
including
station
six.
We
currently
have
one
at
station
one
and
it's
station
five,
but
this
will
be
the
four
remaining
stations
for
the
ice
machine.
So.
M
Yeah,
yes,
so
the
gear?
Yes,
yes,
we're
kind
of
like
the
extractor
and
a
lot
of
people
are
like.
What's
an
extractor,
it's
a
very
fancy,
washing
machine,
it's
very
specific
to
biohazards.
It
actually
has
certain
chemicals
that
even
are
actually
fed
into
it
to
help
alleviate
even
some
of
the
carcinogens
and
things
like
that,
but
they're
dryer,
yes,
is
basically
a
big
fancy.
M
I
M
I
M
Suppression,
this
is
our
depreciation
schedule
for
all
the
apparatus
within
suppression.
Again
we
currently
have
Engine
4,
which
is
here
we're
excited
to
get
it
in
in
service
engine
11.
It
says
out
of
service
because
it's
actually
down
at
the
training
center
now
as
a
dedicated
training
pumper,
it
is
definitely
on
its
last
leg.
So
it's
something
we're
looking
to
do
as
well
the
replacement
we
need
to
replace
these
two.
We
have
one
in
production
from
last
year.
So
that's
the
one.
M
M
We
spoke,
and
he
pretty
much
said
you
better
get
in
now,
because
again,
the
delay
even
for
an
aerial
apparatus,
is
anywhere
from
18
to
24,
maybe
even
36
months
out,
so
we
need
to
get
in
line
and
that's
why
we're
asked
for
an
additional
Tower
truck
this
year
for
1.6
million
dollars
again.
The
thoughts
right
now
are
to
put
this
at
station
five
based
on
you
know
the
on
seven
going
up
further
Northwest
they'll
respond
out.
There
also
can
come
further
south
the
cover
station
too.
I
M
I
E
End
dates
for
those
positions
like
the
other
ones,
is
that
just
I'm
trying
to
reconcile
why
some
of
these
have
end
dates?
It's
just
the
budget
end
of
budget
year,
but
but
the
the
nine
firefighters
that
would
equate,
because
if
you
take
the
11
713
and
divide
it
by
0.25,
since
that's
a
quarter's
worth
it'll
get
to
like
something
close
to
50
annualized,
but
the
fire
captain
positions.
Those
seem
wildly
overstated,
taking
the
same
premise,
because
you've
got.
I
M
I
F
G
E
E
M
M
Rolling.
Well,
I
can
what
we're
looking
at
this
year
and
controlling
is
again
the
administration
side
having
those
people
in
positions
to
help
facilitate
some
of
this
training,
get
not
just
new
hires
on
board,
but
maintain
our
training
as
well
so,
but
the
goal
ultimately
needs
to
be
especially
the
size
the
population
we're
going
to
is
that
National
Standard.
E
M
M
E
K
E
I
E
I
I
M
M
We
originally
discussed
actually
having
I
think
I
mentioned
it
before
that
person
rotate
in
as
our
normal
officers,
when
we
had
a
to
get
some
exposure
into
the
admin
side
of
things,
and
actually
we
had
a
couple
of
different
Lieutenant
meetings
and
it
was
very
not
not
popular.
A
lot
of
people
want
to
do
it.
So
then
we
kind
of
adjusted
to
we
definitely
need
someone
in
that
role
as
well.
H
O
A
M
No
okay,
yeah.
We
should
explain
that
as
well.
So
currently,
you
know
with
some
of
these
additions,
we're
making
we're
gonna
have
to
hire
new
firefighters
anyways.
So
the
let's
see
the
just
the
WT
from
the
three
EMS
captains
and
plus
our
five
vacancies.
So
that's
a
class
of
nine
right
now,
which
we
are
planning
on,
starting
in
January
1st,
to
get
that
process
up
and
running,
maybe
even
earlier,
but
again
there's
a
10-week
orientation.
Now
that
ensues
to
get
those
firefighters,
onboarded
and
things
like
that
station.
M
M
F
F
F
F
A
G
E
I
G
G
E
L
E
G
I
M
Ems
2130
Striker,
ALS
360.
Striker,
as
you
know,
is
our
vendor
that
provides
our
cardiac
monitors,
stretchers
loading
systems,
CPR
assisting
devices
and
Associated
software
and
it
systems
ALS
360
is
a
program.
That's
actually
going
to
allow
us
to
lease
this
medical
equipment
over
a
10-year
period.
Currently
we
have
91
pieces
of
equipment
with
Striker.
77
of
our
equipment
is
at
the
six
year
older
Mark,
which
the
recommended
service
for
life
is
a
five
to
seven
year.
M
Life
cycle,
in
other
words,
we're
going
to
need
to
replace
this
equipment
in
a
very
new
feature.
At
a
substantial
Capital
cost.
Striker
is
averaged
an
average
average
between
10
and
15
percent
increase
over
the
past
two
years,
post
pandemic
and
anywhere
from
three
to
five
percent
increase
years.
Prior
to
that,
when
we
sign
this
agreement,
we're
going
to
lock
in
at
today's
prices,
that's
one
of
the
benefits
we
actually
will
get
an
immediate
refresh
of
all
of
our
current
equipment.
So
anything
we
have
out.
M
There
is
going
to
be
refreshed
and
be
able
to
be
new.
We
also
have
the
benefit
of
anywhere
between
three
and
five
years,
which
we're
looking
more
towards
five
years
is
a
technological
refresh.
This
is
a
big
benefit,
as
the
newest
cardiac
heart,
monitor
is
are
said
to
come
out
in
a
very
new
future,
so
something
we'll
be
able
to
take
advantage
with
this
program.
M
The
nice
thing
about
it
is
going
to
be
able
to
create
a
predictable
and
established
annual
fixed
payment
that
locks
in
today's
prices
and
avoids
those
huge
swings
in
capital.
It
also
includes
the
warranty
services.
Pro
cares
are
warranty
services
that
helps
us
take
care
of
this
equipment
throughout
the
year
and
we've
been
averaging
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
just
in
warranties.
M
So
this
again,
this
this
program
includes
all
that,
as
you
can
see,
the
kind
of
the
thought
process
with
it
like
we
saw
in
those
next
few
years,
we're
gonna
have
some
significant
Capital
increases
in
cost
cash
purchase
totals
for
this
equipment,
and
this
is
again
today's
estimates
not
including
any
of
those
will
be
up
to
nine
million
526
thousand
dollars
with
this
package
or
total
is
going
to
be
6
million
332.
Over
the
10-year
period,
so
Savings
of
over
three
million
dollars
again
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions.
G
Basically,
we
have
to
account
for
all
leases
used
to
be
when
they're
long-term
name
yet
a
certain
criteria.
They
would
be
considered
a
capital
lease,
but
even
if
it's
an
operating
lease,
we
do
have
to
capture
that
total
picture
and
just
Factor
it
in
to
our
records.
So
it's
just
a
different
accounting
method
for
how
we
account
for
leases.
I,
don't
have
all
the
details
in
my
head,
but.
E
G
If
it
meets
a
certain
criteria,
I
know
and
again
I
I.
He
kind
of
caught
me
off
guard.
The
lease
is
that
we
looked
at
this
year.
We
didn't
have
to
make
any
adjustments,
but
if
you
have
a
operating
lease
and
it
meets
a
certain
criteria,
it
may
be
considered
something
similar
to
a
capital
lease
where
we
have
to
show
that
liability
more
so
on
our
books
and
Records.
You
know
and
and
count
for
it
more
like
an
asset
in
in
that
particular
situation
about.
E
M
M
E
E
E
M
M
M
Oh
sure,
anytime
I
mean
they
can
speak
more
to
that,
but
anytime
any
any
new
equipment
comes
out.
There's
certainly
you
know.
Most
of
it
is
similar
enough,
but
you
know
like
like
the
new
cardiac
monitor
is
coming
out,
is
I
think
this
is
the
first
one
in
how
many
years
this
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
revisions
that.
F
M
E
K
A
lot
shorter
than
you,
I'm,
Brittany,
Pence
I'm,
your
strategic
sales
manager
for
this
program,
and
so
yes
to
answer
your
question,
we
can
easily
add
equipment
in
the
future
to
this
program.
We
just
add
it
as
an
addendum
at
that
time.
The
only
thing
I
can't
promise
you
is
pricing.
I
can't
set
future
pricing,
but
we're
gonna
be
incentivized
to
be
able
to
partner
with
you
guys
to
get
you
that
equipment
when
you
need
it.
I
K
So
I'll
give
you
I'll,
give
you
an
example.
I
might
not
have
made
sense
on
that
one.
So,
let's
say
that
you
purchase
all
this
equipment
in
year.
One
you're
gonna
have
the
639
000
annual
payment.
Let's
say
in
year
three
you
guys
at
a
station
and
you
need
to
add
one
more
piece
of
equipment
on
every
single
item
here.
What
would
happen
is
we
would
add
that
additional
equipment
in
year,
three
and
your
next
annual
payment
would
just
add
that
additional
equipment
at
that
time
yeah
exactly.
P
M
M
And
training
aspect
we
did
include
the
paramedic
school
reimbursement,
130
000,
and
these
are
for
firefighters,
who
are
going
to
paramedic
school.
It
is
a
similar
to
the
police
department
as
a
reimbursement
program
once
they
complete
and
get
a
passing
grade.
We
reimburse
them
at
the
end
of
the
semester.
What's.
F
F
M
I
B
M
M
F
F
A
F
I
would
just
like
to
hear
how
that's
stuck
to
you
I,
always
think
about
worst
case,
so
I
I'm
hearing
I
think
it's
a
great
it's
obviously
the
people
we
have
We're
Young
department.
So
obviously
not
everyone
has
10
12
000
to
throw
around
for
this.
So
it's
obviously
a
huge
incentive
too,
to
bring
on
new
firefighters
as
well
to
add
to
this.
So
it's
just
how.
A
K
J
Commissioners
we
can
do
very
similar
to
what
the
police
department
does
with
the
reimbursement.
I
mean
everything's,
negotiable
and
workable,
and
we
do
that
over
at
the
police
department,
but
the
the
their
Academy
training
to
where
they
enter
into
a
contract.
That's
what
Mike
brought
up
to
y'all
earlier.
So
it's
not
anything,
that's
outside
of
something
that
we
can't
make
happen.
J
M
6400,
again,
equipment
and
Machinery
here
again,
there's
our
depreciation
schedule.
What's
incredible
here,
the
one
in
yellow
2020
is
when
we
ordered
our
last
ambulance
and
we
still
have
yet
to
receive
it.
We're
expecting
it
in
October
of
this
year,
but
is
taking
this
long
to
get
turn
around
and
Analysis
the
ones
the
one
we
actually
have
budgeted
in
this
current
budget
year.
M
They
won't
even
let
us
order
it
yet
because
they
don't
have
a
VIN
number
and
we
cannot
order
or
get
APO
in
place
without
a
VIN
number.
Last
year
we
even
explored
the
similar
thing,
with
an
intent
to
procure
notices
and
things
like
that.
But
it's
we're
just
it's
that
delayed
it's
kind
of
crazy.
So
again
this
year
we're
requesting
a
replacement
of
two
ambulances.
One
again
is
gonna.
I
B
M
It
happens
to
them.
Typically,
they
go
to
auction.
You
know,
that's
something
that
Fleet
Maintenance
handles.
You
know.
If
we
we
just
have
to
fill
out
the
of
our
end.
We
fill
out
the
disposed
asset
disposal
and
they
handle
them
there,
and
sometimes
it
goes
to
an
auction.
Sometimes
you
know
this
depends
on
what
the
need
is
well,
actually,
a
long
time
ago
we
used
one
as
the
I
don't
know.
If
it's
the
SWAT
unit,
you
know
we
reallocate
certain
things,
but
typically,
analysts
are
worn
down
by
the
time.
M
M
So
we
are
useful
life
for
us
as
as
10
years,
but
a
lot
of
those
we're
we're
re-exploring
that,
because
a
lot
of
them
we
were
able
to
place
as
Reserve
ambulances.
So
again
they
weren't
running
as
hard
as
the
front
run
analysis,
but
you
can
see
with
our
depreciation
schedule.
You
know
all
of
our
front
runs
are,
are
less
and
then
analyst
three,
which
is
one
we
are
currently
replacing
as
soon
as
we
get
that
that's
going
to
be
the
next
ambulance.
So
that's
coming
in
October.
M
M
M
Well,
no
they're
actually
going
to
be
on
shift.
So
yes,
they'll
they'll
report
to
both
Ian
safety
and
EMS.
Okay,
if
that
makes
sense,
the
they're
but
they're
gonna
be
on
shift
Personnel.
That's
why
we're
it's
only
gonna,
be
one
more
person
on
shift,
but
it's
three
total
for
all
three
shifts
gotcha,
so
they
have
one
vehicle
kind
of
like
a
district
Chief.
You
know
where
you
know
the
initial
spot,
we're
we're
planning
on
putting
them
in
station
two,
because
it's
centrally
located,
they
can
run
up
north
to
station
five
or
One
South.
G
A
F
While
we're
waiting
for
him
too
I
I
can
fill
in
just
a
little
bit
of
just
commentary
overall
I
think
having
a
training
Captain
would
be
very
advantageous.
I
mean
you
have
a
how
many
130
current
firefighters
we're
going
to
add
another
14
really
between
the
nine
and
the
five
vacancies.
So
we're
gonna
have
144.
F
F
E
A
I
I
E
F
Q
M
F
E
D
E
P
E
Or
37
excuse
me
in
my
mind.
It's
immaterial,
but
again,
that's
one
less
thing
that
you
potentially
have
to
negotiate
at
the
table
if
we're
getting
to
a
place
where
people
think
that
that's
a
comfortable
budget
for
training
and
with
the
idea
that
there
may
be
years
where
each
individual
doesn't
use
that
full
allocation.
I've
I've
never
really
gotten
a
clear
answer
about
if
I'm
a
firefighter
new
to
the
role
and
I
come
in.
What
are
the?
I
M
M
Speaking
just
to
stay
certified,
in
other
words
right,
so
if
you're,
a
firefighter
in
the
State
of
Florida,
you're,
actually
certified
for
four
years,
if
you're
actively
working
in
a
fire
department
that
renews
automatically
to
for
lack
of
better
words
for
the
for
the
fire
standard
side,
it
depends
again
it's
kind
of
a
different
question.
If
you
come
in
on
the
year
where
the
EMS
renewals
are
due,
because
we
renew
our
our
paramedic
or
EMS
licenses
are
renewed
every
two
years.
M
So
if
you
get
hired
on
that
year
or
now,
it's
required
to
renew
you
have
to
renew
that
year,
but
he
might
actually
get
hired
and
have
a
two-year
expand.
So
it
just
depends.
But
do
minimum
requirement
is
just
stay
active
with
the
fire
department
which
you're
hired
so
you're
here
and
renew
that
ENT
license,
which
also
involves
BLS
and
if
you're,
a
paramedic,
BLS
and
ACS,
which
is
Advanced
cardiac
life
support
both
of
those
we
already
do
in-house.
We
provide
the
the
training
for
both
of
those
actually
yearly.
M
So
if
someone
happens
to
be
out
in
PTO
or
vacation
during
that
year,
they
don't
miss
out
on
on
that
renewal
training
if
that
makes
sense,
like
you
kind
of
mentioned
before,
obviously
there's
other
requirements
there's
yearly
requirements
as
far
as
company
multi-company,
you
know
driver
training
if
you're
a
checked
off
driver
or
certain
things
like
that
that
are
more
robust.
But
what's.
M
F
A
E
K
I
K
K
H
I
I
D
J
J
F
J
Would
be
the
basic
one
unless
you
want
to
intercede
and
have
something
in
between
normally,
it
would
be
once
the
two
sides
come
together
and
then
our
representation,
be
it
the
city's
representation.
The
attorney
would
come
to
you
all
and
say
this
is
what
they've
come
to.
But
if
you
want
something
in
between
that
and
now
I'll
be
born
happy
to
get
with
Mr
Mandela
and
arrange
it.
F
Yeah
I
just
there's.
Obviously
a
lot
I
mean
I
know
you
guys
have
agreed
on
a
few
items:
it's
not
the
majority,
but
it's
a
good
amount
of
items.
It
may
just
help
to
understand.
Get
it
get
a
clear
update
for
all
of
us
because
not
everyone's
at
the
meetings,
not
everyone
sometimes
I'm
there
for
an
hour,
sometimes
I'm
there,
the
entire
time
so
just
kind
of
understand
where
we're
at
and
and
go
from
there
can.
E
F
A
N
N
F
D
B
L
K
E
E
E
If
you
have
a
very
conservative
or
overly
conservative
training
budget,
and
yet
that
leadership
team
feels
like
there's
a
certain
training
that
needs
to
be
done
across
the
department
and
it's
going
to
be
really
bad.
If
they
say
hey
resources
go
out
and
do
this
training,
but
then
they
come
back
and
say
well,
I've
already
burned
through
my
300
bucks.
E
Good
with
being
a
little
bit
better
than
what's
needed,
sure,
because
again,
I
firmly
believe
that
we're
not
going
to
burn
through
that
entire
budget
every
single
year,
but
for
us
to
earmark
that
it
shows
good
faith
and
it
allows
our
people
to
feel
like
they're,
getting
the
proper
training.
And
again
it
goes
back
to
retention.
I
mean
do
do
the
inflection
point
of
every
person
that
we
lose,
how
much
training
is
going
out
the
door
and
how
much
are
we
having
to
onboard
train
all
that
good
stuff?
E
E
F
E
M
E
I
I
E
E
Some
meat
in
the
middle
number
of
600,
maybe
even
by
by
staff,
I,
think
the
union
was
driving
1500,
so
I
think
a
good
faith
number
is
a
thousand,
and
that
builds
that's
how
you
build
the
125k.
So
if
you
back
out,
it's
actually
126.,
if
you
back
out
the
135
number
and
the
nine
people
that
are
in
admin
that
gets
to
126.
E
non-admin
individuals
across
suppression
and
EMS.
So
if
you
give
them,
if
we
do
by
by
proxy
a
thousand
dollars
per
Resource
as
your
budget
that
gets
us
to
about
126
thousand
dollars,
call
it
125.
as
your
bucket
of
funds
that
are
available
for
training
purposes
across
the
people
within
the
department.
I
E
M
G
M
E
M
F
I
G
F
A
H
All
right
mayor,
Commissioners,
Robert,
hippler,
Information,
Technology,
director
I'm,
going
to
start
mine
backwards
actually
and
I'm,
going
to
go
off
with
Cheryl
and
chess's
program
she
put
together
for
us
and
she
did
a
lot
of
hard
work.
Getting
this
going
for
us
not
knowing
most
of
the
back
end
on
it,
I
may
have
had
a
little
assistance
from
some
of
the
existing
Finance
staff,
but
again
we're
going
to
start
off
using
this
software
and
I'll
jump
over
and
talk
about.
Some
of
the
high
level
changes
we've
addressed
here.
H
H
Currently
we
we
service
about
500
employees
plus
or
minus,
depending
on
what
time
of
year
we're
doing
this
average
Personnel
per
it
employee
municipalities,
our
side
is
usually
between
1
to
45,
to
1
to
55
employees,
we're
falling
on
the
higher
end
of
that
right
now,
at
55.,
one
of
my
requests
coming
up
you'll
see
is
a
comp
or
a
security
specialist
that
I'm
looking
to
add
to
the
team.
Let's
say
an
integral
part
that
we
currently
don't
have
on
board.
H
H
If
any
of
them
left,
we
would
certainly
have
a
hole
where
they
were
currently
a
position
in
there
only
come
down.
Capital
outlay.
You're
going
to
see
is
a
a
large
spike
in
that
and
we'll
kind
of
touch
on
that
here.
Momentarily
personal
costs
again
22
percent
up
over
this
time
last
year,
operating
costs
up
14,
most
of
that's
going
to
come
out
of
Hardware
software
renewals,
three
percent,
four
percent
increase
in
the
renewal
each
time,
depending
on
what
vendor
we're
going
through
with
it
Capital
outlay.
H
Looking
at
the
increase
following
items,
there's
a
couple
items
that
look
like
they
may
have
been
held
over
from
last
year,
so
we'll
skip
over
those.
But
again
the
Personnel
requests.
We're
looking
for
is
a
cyber
security.
Specialist
I,
don't
know,
that'll
be
a
full-blowing
CSO,
which
is
a
security.
Informations
are
security,
information
officer,
I,
don't
know
that
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
afford
somebody
like
that,
so
I'm
looking
for
an
experienced
cyber
security,
specialist
and
I'm,
hoping
that's
something
we
will
find
for
for
that
matter.
H
One
of
the
other
items
on
here
is
the
online
agenda
management
meeting
software.
Currently,
we
we
have
a
new
software
in
place,
the
Civic
clerk,
which
was
implemented
about
a
month
and
a
half
ago
we've
been
running
on
that
system
right
now.
It's
a
much
easier
software
to
use
as
far
as
getting
the
budget
put
together
and
the
staff's
slowly
getting
around
to
understanding
it
and
seeing
the
benefit
of
having
it
there's
a
modest
increase
in
that
price.
From
the
previous
years,
we've
always
had
an
agenda
management
software
that
had
limitations
to
it.
H
There
is
a
new
public
records
management
software
that
the
entire
city
utilizes
that
was
implemented
this
year.
It
was
put
in
place
back
in
May
and
they're
sitting
at
close
to
800
records
requests
so
far
that
have
been
submitted
to
it.
The
PD
does
the
brunt
of
those
requests
and
I
don't
understand
how
they're
actually
doing
it
so
I'm
assuming
they
must
have
at
least
two
people
doing
it
full
time
over
there.
H
Another
another
higher
ticket
item
that
we
didn't
have
last
year
we
actually
paid
for
it
over
last
year's
budget
is
Motorola
MDR
the
managed,
detection
and
response.
It's
an
anti-virus
software
for
the
p25
system,
which
is
the
radio
system
that
safeguards
between
the
Sim,
the
customer
Enterprise
Network,
which
is
us
and
their
Network
they're,
taking
care
of
their
side
of
it
should
anything
come
across
from
us
and
vice
versa.
H
The
remote
supports
from
last
year
there
is
a
public
services,
has
a
tool
on
the
website
from
recollect
it's
a
a
calendar
for
all
of
the
trash
pickups.
You
can
put
in
your
address
to
see
when
your
pickup
is
when
your
bulky
pickup
is
your
recycling.
There's
it'll
tell
you
what's
recyclable,
what's
trash
so
if
you
haven't
had
a
chance,
go
to
their
site
on
the
website
and
take
a
look
at
that.
Josh
Robinson
was
a
big
opponent
of
that,
so
we
were
able
to
get
that
for
him.
H
These
systems
Hardware
log
management.
That
was
a
holdover
from
last
time.
The
next
two
are
kind
of
ancillary
items
to
the
bigger
request
here:
police
and
fire
departments,
spare
batteries,
radios
and
additional
Chargers
and
I'll
talk
on
those
a
little
more
when
we
go
through
it
website,
upgrades
Department
headers
we're
looking
at
doing
an
actual
Department
header
website
for
the
camp
or
I'm.
Not
sorry
can't
believe
we're
currently
working
on
that
the
amphitheater,
so
that'll
be
one
that
we
move
forward
on
here
to
give
it
its
own
look.
H
What
a
sub
header
is
on
our
website.
It
would
be
something
similar
to
the
police
and
fire
page.
It
looks
like
it's
their
own
page,
but
it's
actually
a
like
a
child
domain
of
our
main
website:
Public
Safety,
Tower
Service
lights.
Currently,
our
Harman
Tower
is
a
it's
an
fa,
A2
style
Tower
and
the
two
after
the
ages
signifies
the
height
it's
over
350
feet
an
a
style.
Tower
is
a
painted
Tower.
So
during
the
day
it
is
used
by
air
traffic
for
nav
or
not
navigation,
but
to
avoid
creating
it.
H
It's
a
orange
and
white
painted
Tower
at
night
time.
The
tower
is
lit
up
with
lights,
for
the
red
lights
that
are
three
different
locations
on
the
tower.
The
North
Tower
is
a
E2
style
or
an
e-mat
is
an
E2
style
Tower,
which
does
not
have
a
requirement
for
painted
during
the
daytime.
It's
run
off
of
lights,
so
it
has
white
lights
during
the
day
and
at
night
it
Twitches
over
to
Red
Lights
started
that
the
tower
light
service
I'm
looking
at
doing
it.
H
Both
sides
is
actually
replacing
the
lights
on
the
existing
Harman
Tower
and
getting
it
it's
Tower
as
a
lighting
or
Tower
lighting
as
a
service
is
what
it
comes
out
to
be.
The
individual
company
will
come
out
put
the
hardware
on
it,
maintain
it
make
sure
it
meets
all
of
the
FAA
requirements
check
several
times
a
year
to
ensure
that
there
are
no
issues
with
it.
If
we
get
hit
by
lightning,
if
it
falls
off
a
bird
hits,
it
somehow
anything
happens
to
it.
They
cover
it.
H
H
Me
hit
my
lines
and
I'll
jump
over
that
radio
portion
of
it
just
for
the
increases.
What
you're
going
to
see
is
the
additional
cost
over
last
year,
when
you
see
a
price
that
doesn't
mean
that's
how
much
that
costs
that's
the
additional
cost
over
last
year
for
it.
So
our
Microsoft
EA
license,
which
we
just
renewed
again
for
three
years,
there's
an
additional
25
000
that
we're
going
to
be
expanding
some
of
the
software
licenses
on
it,
the
again
the
prr,
the
public
records
management
software.
H
That's
a
new
cards
that
we
didn't
have
last
year,
so
the
maintenance
on
that's
going
to
be
11,
000.,
we'll
be
doing
Civic
optimize,
which
is
a
digital
Services
software
that
the
media
side
uses.
That's
we're
on
fire
online
form,
Creations
done
any
type
of
Digital
Services
any
forms
any
forms
with
built-in
payment
gateways.
They
would
create
those
for
us,
4
600,
on
our
maintenance.
We
have
our
esri.
We
discussed
on
that
or
Jim
hit
was
talking
about
esri.
That's
the
gis
software
that
the
city
uses.
H
We
have
an
Enterprise
agreement,
implementation
currently
going
on,
that
is
being
run
by
Mike
Suber
he's
our
GIS
coordinator
that
we
just
brought
over
to
the
it
office.
That's
probably
going
to
take
several
months
before
that
is
fully
up
and
running,
but
that'll
allow
for
a
much
more
robust
presence
on
our
website.
As
far
as
mapping
showing
the
flu
map
showing
different
locations
of
the
city
density,
will
it
be
able
to
Amphitheater
Camp
wewa
anything
we
want
to
do
with
it.
H
H
This
was
something
we
renewed
two
years
ago,
the
first
payments
coming
in
for
that
it's
a
three-year
agreement
on
that
we've
been
using
these
particular
appliances
for
many
years
very
successful
with
them
I've
increased
the
the
unforeseen
acts
of
nature.
This
past
year
we
had
a
lightning
strike
back
in
June
or
July
of
last
year
at
the
harman
Tower,
as
well
as
the
North
Tower,
and
we
had
damages
of
close
to
65
000
to
repair
the
motor
Motorola
equipment
that
got
hit
out
there.
H
H
Again
that
contract
covers
the
p25
system,
the
radios,
as
well
as
the
wireless
side
of
it
maintenance.
For
that
we
can
talk
a
little
more
on
that
wireless
side.
Commissioner
Becker
you'd
asked
about
the
existing
Wi-Fi
polls
out
in
the
community
and
costs
on
that.
I
can
get
some
information
for
you
on
that
again
under
4
600,
the
p25,
the
managed
detection
response
for
Motorola.
That
was
a
cost
we
didn't
have
last
year.
H
The
5200
line
under
the
operating
30
000
is
going
to
be
for
the
additional
police
and
fire
radios.
That's
going
to
be
the
big
change
on
that
line
and
then,
of
course,
under
6400,
is
the
replacement
of
the
portable
radios.
So
there's
a
total
of
222
radios
that
we're
looking
to
purchase
for
police
and
fire.
H
These
radios
are
the
Motorola
apx
they're,
the
next
gen,
our
next
radio,
not
next-gen.
Next
radio
they're,
basically
a
smartphone
I'm
ruggedized
as
a
a
radio
for
the
police
and
fire
so
features
on.
There
include
GPS,
you're,
actually
able
to
see
other
units
locations
of
them.
You
can
see
breadcrumb
trails
on
these
radios,
over-the-air
updates
for
it.
We
don't
have
to
physically
go
touch
these
radios,
as
we
currently
did
here
for
the
last
upgrade
we
did
for
the
multi-zone.
H
They
also
have
cellular
built
in.
So
you
can
be
anywhere
in
the
country
if
you
needed
to
be
on
your
radio.
If
there
was
any
communication
issues
or
for
some
reason
we
had
Tower
problems,
though
these
radios
are
state
of
the
art
and
they
are
a
multi
frequency
or
a
multi-band
radio.
The
fire
department
not
only
runs
seven.
H
Eight
hundred
but
they're
also
running
UHF
for
Communications
with
the
hospital
I
had
a
secondary
option
because
of
that
cost
and
I'd
say
it's
a
large
cost
there,
but
we've
known
this
cost
was
coming
up
for
it,
the
radio
equivalent
to
what
we
currently
have
in
the
radios.
We
currently
have
actually
go
end
of
service
December
31st
of
this
year,
so
June
30th
of
this
year.
They
are
no
longer
taking
these
radios
from
us
for
repair.
H
Should
anything
happen
to
the
LCD
for
minor
things
they
can
repair
it
within
house
and
house
Hardware,
but
there
is
no
repair
after
the
31st
of
December,
a
radio
similar
to
what
we
have
would
be
an
apx,
9
or
apx
8000,
and
with
the
adding
the
multi-band
feature
to
it.
It
actually
comes
up
to
about
a
hundred
thousand
more
than
these
radios,
so
I'm
recommending
that
we
do
go
to
these
radios
I've
seen
them
in
action.
H
H
If
that's
the
case,
we
want
to
do
it
or,
if
we're
looking
to
pay
it
all
up
front,
and
there
is
one
line:
I
believe
it
was
60,
68
I
believe
there's
a
there's,
150
000
for
a
point-to-point
circuit
for
our
for
our
our
multi-zone
project
that
we
did
where
our
Tower
talks
over
to
Orange
County.
So
our
North
Tower
off
of
Mount
Plymouth.
We
have
a
fiber
running
from
there
over
to
Emery
Court
over
in
Orange
County,
where
we're.
I
H
How
we're
joining
their
Network
that
costs
about
25
000
a
year
I
was
looking
to
mitigate
that
and
say
all
right.
Let's
do
this
wirelessly
with
microwave
dish,
I
estimated
150
I
was
50
lower
than
I
should
have
been
it's
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
six
foot,
microwave
dishes
for
that
point-to-point
circuit.
So,
looking
at
that,
the
return
on
investment
versus
what
we're
paying
today
is
about
12
years.
I
can
certainly
get
a
cheaper
circuit.
H
H
H
Years,
that's
12
years
using
the
current
circuit
that
we're
paying
for
now
that
circuit's,
very
expensive
and
I
was
working
with
another.
Unfortunately,
the
incumbent
provider
out
there
is
not
at
T
so
I'm
having
to
write
off
of
a
lumen
circuit
jump
on
a
t
and
back
to
lumen,
and
it's
it's
a
it's
more
expensive
than
I
would
have
ever
expected
to
pay
it's
about
2200
a
month.
So.
F
H
Sure
Motorola
would
certainly
allow
finance
options
for
it.
I
think
Blanche
had
options
as
well.
I
mean
I've
actually
can
show
you
rates
of
what
the
three
five
and
a
seven
year
plan
would
look
like.
I
mean
I've
actually
had
with
me
now
in
this
case,
something
you
want
to
see,
and
it's
all
right
in
the
four
percent
range,
depending
on
where
you
are
on
the
three
four
or
five
and
seven
year
plan
I,
don't
know
that
you
can
get
you
possibly
can
get
cheaper
financing.
F
H
Skipping
it
straight
to
the
point
talking
about
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
it,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
the
department
and
what
we
do
in
there.
But
okay
sticking
to
where
we
were
kind
of
how
we
went
last
night,
I
can't
one-up
the
police
and
fire
with
what
they
were
doing
using
the
using
the
open,
Dev
software.
We
have
right
now
so.
H
E
I
E
Because,
if
anything,
if
we're
stuck
into
a
contract
and
we're
not
getting
the
the
level
of
service
that
we
expect
I
mean
at
minimum,
I
would
hope
that
they
would
throw
in
training
for
staff
on
how
to
use
the
system
optimally,
because
I
mean
right,
I
mean
because
if
we
haven't
reported
a
bug
and
it's
not
on
their
list
of
issues
to
mitigate
on
their
side
from
a
programmatic
perspective,
it's
our.
Our
frustration
is
in
la
la
land,
yeah.
I
H
So
you've
got
a
fairly
new
finance
office
in
there,
so
I
can't
say
that
it
was
all
bug
related,
I
didn't
create
the
budget,
so
I'm
not
going
to
say
what
did
or
did
not
happen
to
it.
But
you
do
have
a
fairly
new
team
in
there
that
didn't
have
the
experience
of
it
last
year
or
may
not
have
the
ins
and
outs.
G
E
Tell
me
take
me
through
that,
so,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
an
end
user
with
the
city
of
popcorn,
I'm
logging
into
opengov,
to
do
my
my
budget
compilation
I'm
going
into
the
system
I'm
entering
stuff
into
their
base,
software
I'm
entering
stuff
and
it's
not
reflecting
as
I-
would
predict
it
to
be
Azure
internet
I'm.
Assuming
that's
what
got
you
to.
G
The
point
where
you're
communicating
yeah
we
entered
we
were
able
to
enter
the
24
budget
is
when
we
got
ready
to
pull
the
24
budget
forward
into
these
highlights
into
this
information
that
you
have
in
the
books.
That's
when
it
began
to
zero
out
the
information
here
and
the
information
was
incorrect
going
into
these
tables.
G
Was
the
first
the
first
year
was
the
first
time
as
I
understand
it.
They
used
it
and
the
data
was
there
now
you're
going
into
another
year,
so
you
adding
another
year.
They
have
those
tables
still
set
based
on
that
21
22
23
data,
so
you're
adding
24
into
this
format
and
when
they
went
to
add
it,
we
pulled
it
up.
It
zeroed
out
all
of
the
data
it
zeroed
out
to
23
data.
It
was
totally
incorrect.
That's
what
took
so
long
because
we
couldn't
do
the
highlights,
because
the
information
in
there
was
incorrect.
G
E
If
that's
the
user
experience
is
that
the
only
thing
that
we're
using
that
primarily
for
because
if
that's
our
user
experience,
I,
would
just
break
the
contract
and
find
a
different
solution,
because
even
if
we're
in
a
contraction,
that's
a
waste
of
time
but
I.
It's
hard
for
me
to
think
that
an
open
gov,
it's
not
like
a
fly-by-night
shop,
but
it
for
their
their
system
not
to
be
able
to
add
budget
year
over
budget.
G
G
That's
what
happened
and
they
worked
on
reprogramming
and
doing
a
patch
almost
because
of
the
updates,
whatever
updates
they've
done
throughout
the
year
with
with
the
system.
It
actually
didn't
account
for
that.
So
when
it,
when
we
had
the
24
budget
in
the
system,
everybody
worked
in
the
system
with
the
24,
but
when
we
got
ready
to
prepare
these
reports
and
do
the
highlights
those
tables,
the
tables
that
you
see
on
here,
the
information
was
incorrect
and
the
24
data
was
not
showing
and
then
once
they
got
the
24
amount.
G
I
E
H
Foliated
compliant
100
I
have
to
say
now
there
are
some
documents,
so
we
are
training.
The
Community,
Development,
Kelly
and
Mart
have
been
training
the
staff
in
the
community
development
building
side
to
ensure
that
when
they're
getting
documents
and
from
their
vendors
or
their
developers
that
they're
either
receiving
these
documents
in
a
compliant
format,
or
that
they
have
to
actually
fix
those
documents
before
they
put
them
into
the
system.
So
I
give
you
a
building
plan
or
I.
H
Give
you
a
construction
plan
if
they
haven't
done
anything
to
that
or
that
document
to
make
it
compliant
make
sure
that
it
has
alt
text
on
images
or,
if
there's
a
table.
If
it's
not,
you
know
if
it
doesn't
have
tags
appropriately,
for
it
then
they're
giving
us
a
broken
document
that
we
must
fix
before
we
put
it
up,
so
they
are
working
on
it.
I
know:
they've
worked
extensively
over
there.
H
Jim
hitstaff
has
been
working
with
them,
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
are
aware
of
what
they're
doing
with
it
the
Civic
clerk
side
when
you're
looking
at
the
budget
when
you
actually
open
it
up
and
it's
in
an
HTML
format
when
you
open
it
up
for
it.
So
assistive
technology
will
certainly
read
the
HTML,
but
it's
not
going
to
understand
what
a
document
is
that
doesn't
have
any
alt
text
on
it
as
far
as
an
image,
so
they
are
certainly
working
on
getting
those
done
to
make
sure
they
are
there.
K
I
E
H
Before
it's
even
put
on
there,
it
wouldn't
matter
what
software
they
need
to
ensure
that
that
document
is
either
tagged
appropriately
in
that
PDF,
meaning
there's
a
paragraph
tags.
Header
level
tags
list
labels
everything
in
there
as
long
as
it's
done
properly,
then
it'll
it'll
apply
over
on
the
HTML
side
as.
E
H
E
H
Correction,
the
limitations
that
something
they
may
want
to
look
in
doing
because
they
do
so
much
online
Creation
with
the
packets,
whether
it's
DRC
or
the
Planning
Commission
is
they
may
want
to
look
at
getting
or
even
I,
don't
mind
if
I
can
get
another
staff
member
in
here
to
do
nothing
but
those
documents
to
ensure
they
are
compliant
100
now
I
can
certainly
go
to
websites.
I
can
go
pretty
much
any
website.
H
Any
City
website
pull
a
document
down
and
show
you
a
non-compliant
document
so
looking
at
where
we
are
versus,
where
other
municipalities
are
I'm
comfortable
with
our
documents
I'm
not
having
any
issues.
The
previous
incident
we
had,
the
chairwere
was
an
unrealistic
expectation
and
it
was
somebody
preying
on
City,
County
municipalities,
private
businesses
purely
monetarily
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
disability
and.
E
Then,
on
the
flip
side
of
that
coin,
from
an
internal
perspective
active
on
Civic
plus,
you
use
the
example
so
I'll
just
I'll
just
riff
that
one
but
CRA,
for
example,
currently
I,
don't
think
there's
any
forms
out
for
CRA,
because
it
was
mentioned
in
one
of
the
previous
workshops
that
there
was
some
Ada
concern.
Or
what
have
you
really.
J
E
E
H
Absolutely
not
absolutely
not
no,
so
the
documents
again
coming
in
if
it's
just
a
text
document,
especially
if
it's
a
text
document
all
they
have
to
do,
is
they
can
correct
it
in
Acrobat
Pro.
They
can
actually
go
in
there
and
go
under
the
accessibility
option
and
auto
tag.
The
document
worst
case
scenario-
you
know
one
of
the
tags
may
be
as
opposed
to
heading
level,
one
up
top
it
may
be
down
below.
H
E
H
It
happen
the
Civic
optimize,
the
digital
service
software
I'm
telling
you
about
is
all
HTML
based
that
is
100
compliant,
it's
very
intuitive,
that's
what
that's
kind
of
why
we
actually
stepped
it
up
a
little
bit
on
that,
but
all
of
our
forms
that
we're
creating
online
for
that,
whether
it
be
for
Susan
or
whoever
needs
these
forms.
These
are
compliant
documents.
H
F
It
right
and
I
guess
that's
my
concern,
although
yes,
we
may
be
better
than
the
rest.
We
still
if
we're
not
100
we're
still
open
up
to
liability
there
and
I
don't
want
to
even
anybody.
That's
going
to
take
advantage
of
our
weakness
that
it's
still
liability
on
our
end
and
we
should
be
doing
what's
what
we
can.
H
F
And
well,
it's
my
concern
that
in
Community
Development,
although
they
are
fully
staffed,
that
they
may
not
have
the
time
and
and
again
it's
you
are
100,
there's
one
more
additional
step
that
they're
doing
so
many
projects
again,
we
have
so
much
development
going
on.
So
what
would
that
look
like
on
your
side
if
we
did
hire
somebody
that
exclusively
focused
on
ADA
compliance.
H
Us
training
inside
we
can
maybe
get
somebody
a
little
lower.
Somebody
that's
coming
in
with
that
actual
experience,
it's
going
to
command
a
higher
salary,
not
that
it's
not
worth
it
even
potentially
a
part-time
employee
bringing
it,
and
if
that
would
even
be
you
know,
if
somebody's
willing
to
do
part-time,
we
may
be
able
to
benefit
from
that
as
well.
But
you
know
I
would
expect
to
get
somebody
in
the
door
that
truly
has
knowledge
and
knows
what
they're
doing
you're
at
least
60..
H
At
it,
but
you
know
we
certainly
try
to
get
as
much
training
we
can
to
them
and
to
your
point
they
are
inundated
with.
You
know:
construction
diagrams
bill.
You
know
whatever
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
change
of
zoning
whatever
there
are
certain
forms
that
they
get
that
come
in
each
time.
There's
maps
on
there
that
you'll
never
be
able
to
explain
a
map
to
somebody
that
is
visually
impaired.
So
you
have
to
give
a
small
text
showing
you
know
complex
for
the
kpi
intersection,
the
best
you
can.
H
Right
and
again,
you
know
giving
them
affording
the
ability
to
assist
them
with
a
document
is
what
we're
supposed
to
do.
We
are
the
first
line
for
it
under
the
Ada
I.
Believe
it's
HR.
If
there's
any
issues
with
it,
they
would
contact
them
and
we
would
assist
whoever's
trying
to
get
a
document
with
whatever
they're
looking
for,
but
as
you're
saying
there
are
certain
certain
individuals
that
may
decide
to
try
to
capitalize
on
something
and
like
I
say:
I
can
I
can
pretty
much
hit
any
website.
H
And
just
that
person
doing
just
that
would
be
something
that
would
certainly
take
a
lot
of
weight
off
of
you
know
what
we're
doing
now,
a
lot
of
the
weight
off
of
the
community
development
side
as
well,
because
it's
the
same
thing
like
you
know
again,
I
can't
say
it
enough:
they
have
a
lot
going
on
they're
taking
documents
and
some
of
these
documents
are
even
sealed.
So
if
you
try
to
alter
it,
it's
not
going
to
let
you
change
it.
So
then
we
have
to
actually
communicate
with
the
person
who
sent
it.
Saying.
H
Hey
I
need
this
in
another
formatter
I
need
to
unlock
this
so
that
we
can
actually
do
it,
because,
if
I
take
that
and
scan
it
now,
I've
just
completely
destroyed
that
document,
especially
if
I
can't
OCR
it,
and
even
if
we
do
OCR
and
sometimes
the
character
is
not
coming
back
properly.
So
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
we
run
into
trying
to
figure
out
the
best
way
to
get
these
to
come
through
and
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
hours
into
this.
F
H
E
H
If
it's
a
sealed,
sometimes
these
documents
are
sealed
that
they
can't
actually
open
it.
It's
got
a
lock
on
it
like
any
certain
PDF
they'll,
lock
the
PDF
so
that
you
can't
do
anything
to
it,
so
it
would
entail
them
getting
them
saying:
hey,
I
or
you
know
either
teaching
the
individual
they're
dealing
with
that.
I
can't
have
in
this
format,
I
needed
to
be
in
a
compliant
format,
which
truly
it
should
be,
but
at
that
same
time,
they're
they
don't
care
because
it's
not
their
website.
So.
E
They're
going
to
send
it,
however,
they
are
but
but
is
that
Community
Development
having
that
conversation
with
the
the
applicant
they're,
the
ones
receiving
the
documents,
absolutely
even
even
more
of
a
point
to
be
made
right
because
Community
Development
is
focused
on
Community
Development
stuff,
not
you
know,
screwing
around
with
document
formats
and
I
agree
whether
or
not
something
could
be
read
or
not
read.
You
know.
I
I
just
see
multiple
benefit
here
across
multiple
departments
on
something
that
builds.
H
H
H
What
is
the
monthly
and
I
got
what
their
accounts
payable?
What
is
the
monthly
cost
on
the
power?
What
is
the
cost
on
the
rental
and,
of
course,
the
locations
so
now
I
have
the
locations
of
it.
As
of
this
moment,
Duke
provided
a
location
map
of
78,
unique
locations
that
we
are
being
built
for,
so
we're
renting
78
polls
or
we're
renting
space
on
78
locations,
so
I
don't
have
a
need
for
those
they're
not
doing
anything.
For
me,
this
is
all
being
paid
out
of
the
PD's
budget.
H
However,
this
would
be
a
conversation.
I
think
that
Chief
McKinley
myself
can
have
and
say:
do
you
foresee
you
ever
having
any
iot
device
going
on
this
on
any
type
of
Internet
of
Things,
something
that
we
need
access
to?
What
have
you
most
of
these
are
in
the
central
part
of
the
city
as
far
as
these
devices,
let
me
see
if
I
can.
L
H
O
B
H
This
over
a
little
bit,
so
each
of
those
pins
represents
a
a
utility
pole
that
we're
utilizing
rental
as
well
as
power
on
that,
so
that
main
area
you're
seeing
coming
in
is
going
to
be
441
coming
up
to
it,
coming
up
South
into
the
city
here
and
then
heading
north
on
Park
Avenue.
That
is
the
biggest
cluster
of
it.
Now
I
can
tell
you
right
now,
just
knowing
that
the
city
put
up
over
800
of
these
access
points
when
this
was
done
back
in
either.
Oh
five,
six
or
seven
sometime
back
in
that
day.
H
These
are
the
only
ones
that
are
on
a
unique
Pole
or
there's
something
about
it
that
we
didn't
have
a
light
pole
in
that
area,
so
subdivisions
aerial,
Estates,
Rock,
Springs,
Ridge,
Country
address
all
these
subdivisions
have
light
poles
in
there,
some
of
those
light
poles
or
where
we're
utilizing
for
those
access
points
where
they
were
utilizing
that
access
point
so
we're
paying
that
light
bill.
So
there's
not
a
separate
bill
coming
in
and
related
to
a
quote-unquote
Wi-Fi
bill.
E
H
You're
just
getting
paid
for
a
light
bill,
so
those
those
polls
that
they're
hanging
on
are
pulling
power
for
the
lights
at
night.
So
these
these
devices
take
minimal
power,
they're
very
low
amperage,
but
they're
still
pulling
power.
So
it's
part
of
that
light
bill,
whether
it's
a
I'm
assuming
we're
the
city's
paying
for
a
lot
of
these
subdivision
light
bills.
So
so
can.
E
E
My
neighborhood
had
78
polls
that
were
in
questions
and
each
one
of
them
had
the
Wi-Fi
device,
our
neighborhood,
because
we
don't
have
a
special
mbsu
or
whatever
thing
for
like
our
neighborhood,
is
paying
for
that
energy.
That's
pulling
off
those
Wi-Fi
routers
for
those
lights,
basically,
that's
being
passed
on
to
our
is.
J
That
is
that
that
actually
comes
in
it.
It
comes
in
that
we've.
We
pay
a
monthly
recip
receptacle
surcharge
for
those
devices
that
he
has
out
there.
That
actually
comes
in
on
the
utility
bill
under
the
street
lights.
So
there
they
charge
us
for
each
receptacle
that
we
have
on
a
pole
to
power.
Those.
H
So
I
spoke
with
the
individual
at
Duke
that
provided
this
coverage
map
to
me,
I
was
asking
that
same
question
because
I
said
this
is
not.
This
is
not
what
we
have
I
know
for
a
fact.
You
know,
I
wasn't
on
the
implementation
of
this,
but
I
know
there
was
800
plus
of
these
devices
and
I
pulled
down
several
from
residents.
H
Saying:
hey,
there's
a
loose
wire
hanging
off
of
it
and
we'll
either
send
out
public
services
or
I'll
get
someone
else
to
go
out
and
pull
it
off
the
poll
because
it's
still
live,
there's
someone
I
say
still
live,
there's
still
power
going
to
it,
so
I'll
have
them,
go
out
and
properly
disconnect
it
and
make
sure
there's
no
exposed
wires.
So
there's
no
hazards
with
it
so
she's.
H
H
So
the
question
would
come
down
to
getting
somebody
to
take
those
down
right
now.
Are
public
services
we're
without
bucket
trucks,
so
we're
kind
of
in
a
pinch,
I
have
a
location
that
we
actually
need
to
move
one
of
these
devices
because
there's
another
company
going
on
and
we
were
requested
by
Duke
to
actually
move
one
of
the
wireless
access
points
it'll
certainly
be
taken
down.
H
If
it's
got
a
radio
attached
to
it,
you'll
see
it
just
flapping
in
the
wind,
because
the
the
wireless
ties
are
broken
due
to
old
age,
so
yeah
there's,
certainly
an
eyesore
or
can
be
an
eyesore,
and
it
gives
you
that
false
sense
of
hey
I
keep
seeing
the
saddle
of
Apopka.
Well,
there
is
no
internet
transport,
that's
been
dead
for
at
least
six
years.
It
was
done
under
killshimer
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
in
his
first
half
or
last
half,
but
that
was
that
was
shut
down.
E
H
Correct
yep
good,
so
I
have
no
issue
doing
that
again.
I
have
no
value
on
these
I.
They
thought
back
in
the
day
was,
if
we
ever
needed
to
get
something
back
on
these
polls
being
that,
where
we're
already
on
the
weekend
on,
but
I,
think
Duke's
changed
some
of
their
co-locating
on
their
polls,
for
it
I
think
they've
changed
their
look
and
I,
don't
know
if
it
had
anything
to
do
with
5G
coming
up
many
years
back
where
they're
speculating
everybody
or
assuming
everyone
was
going
to
try
to
be
on
their
poll.
H
J
Commissioners
that
it
depends
on
the
council's
wishes.
I
do
know
we're
still
doing
some
conversion
from
the
old
technology
to
the
LEDs
and
I
can
reach
out
to
the
representative
that
I
deal
with
Duke
and
see
when
they're
upgrading
that
light,
if
they'll
remove
that
device.
If
that's
the
wishes
of
the
council,
you
know
we
may
be
able
to
save
a
little
bit
there,
because.
A
D
I
D
H
Well,
so
the
transport
is
dead.
I
unders
I
certainly
understand
what
you're
saying
on
that
and
we're
working
with
Pam
Richmond
on
different
intersections
for
the
PD
for
putting
cameras
up
so
she's
assisting
getting
us
into
the
proper
context
of
you
know
who's
going
to
allow
us
whether
it's
dot
or
Orange
County
to
get
cameras,
security
cameras
on
the
different
intersections,
but.
D
H
H
I
could
certainly
have
a
dish
pointed
back
to
one
of
our
Towers.
That's
the
nice
part
about
our
wireless
system
is
that
I
can
pretty
much
get
internet
access
anywhere
in
the
city
we
needed
to
as
long
as
I
have
power,
so
certainly
if
I
needed
to
I
could
at
any
intersection
any
any
location
we
can
get
access
to
it.
D
H
H
H
H
A
A
H
F
H
I
just
know
from
conversations
there
was
over
800
that
were
installed
in
the
city.
The
idea
was
to
get
80
coverage
anywhere
in
the
city
when
we
were
using
on
the
the
EMS
side
or
the
public
safety
side,
and
there
was
issues
back
even
in
2010
of
getting
from
one
access
point
to
the
next.
If
you're
in
a
vehicle
it
just
they
weren't
switching
fast
enough,
and
at
that
time
there
was
only
one
Meg
of
Transport
anyway,
so
it
really,
it
was
yeah.
H
It
was
an
effort,
good
intention,
but
it
did
not
work
out
and
being
in
the
Wi-Fi
business
not
being
able
to
charge.
Somebody
is
a
a
hole
in
the
you
know:
it's
a
hole.
It's
all
in
your
boat,
you're,
never
gonna!
You
can't
afford
that
can't
be
a
utility
unless
we
perfectly
fund
it
or
able
to
charge
for
it.
N
Hi
I
probably
could
have
stayed
home
today.
You
guys
pretty
much
nailed
everything
I
got
like
everything
written
down,
I
kind
of
went
a
little
bit
overboard,
so
I
was
kind
of
as
far
as
like
you
know,
I'm
like
training,
training,
training
and
and
Weiland's
budget
I
just
didn't
see
anything
that
was,
you
know
like
for
training,
for
the
divisions
of
training
and
safety.
It's
just
one
person,
so
we
need
to.
We
got
to
add
to
that.
N
You
know.
I
was
thinking
the
300
is
we
we
all
emitted
last
year
right
that
it's
inadequate,
and
so
just
hear
me
out
for
a
second
so
and
I
went
with
the
140
firefighters
that
that's
what
we're
probably
going
to
end
up
having
with
the
ones
that
we're
going
to
be
bringing
in
so
that
would
leave
the
city
at
300,
paying
forty
two
thousand
dollars
at
300
for
per
firefighter
I
I
think
we
should
do
two
thousand
dollars
per
firefighter
with
the
42
000,
the
city's
already
going
to
be
paying.
N
If
we
don't
do
anything
right,
we're
gonna
leave
the
300,
so
the
city's
gonna
be
unhooked
already
for
the
42
000..
It
would
be
an
increase
in
a
budget
of
238,
000
and
I
know.
That
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
you
know
vnr
class,
just
one
class
is
627
dollars,
and
so
that
would
just
be
one
class
and
I
mean
that
doesn't
even
pay
half
of
what
the
firefighters
got
to
do.
N
So
with
you
know,
employee
retention
and
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
while
I'm
kid
in
administration
or
whatever
can
work
out
that
you
know
with
like
even
like
paramedics,
people
were
talking
about
like
just
funding
paramedic
school,
that
the
firefighter
can
he's
gonna
get
reimbursed.
You
know
a
lot
of
these
guys,
so
at
the
end
of
24,
we're
gonna
have
27
brand
new
firefighters,
they're
gonna.
Have
you
know
two
years
and
less,
and
you
know
young
kids
man
I
mean
who
can
come
up
with
you
know.
N
N
If
we
can
fund
it
at
2
000
and
then
maybe
even
use
the
firefighter,
if
he
wants
to
take
some
of
that
money
out
of
that
funding,
to
help
him
with
paramedic
school
to
kind
of
get
him
started.
And
then
you
know
they
don't
have
to
pay
for
the
whole
thing
all
at
once.
So
they're
going
to
go
through
semesters
and
this
and
that-
and
so
maybe
they
can
take
some
money
out
of
that
funding
to
help
them
kind
of
get
into
paramedic
school
and
then
has
as
they
move
forward
through
that
school.
N
Then
the
city
can,
you
know,
kind
of
reimburse
and
then
they
can
take
that
money
and
pay
for
the
next
semester.
So
they
may
be
on
the
hook
for
like
the
the
start
of
paramedic
school,
but
it
would
help
them
if
they
could
pull
some
funding
out
of
what
this
is
really
designed
for
is
designed
for
education
and
and
training.
N
N
You
know
all
this
stuff
is
absolutely
definitely
needed,
but
you
know
I
think
that
we
should
give
ourselves
an
opportunity,
at
least
let's
post
it
somewhere
to
maybe
look
outside
of
apocal
fire,
and
you
know,
and
just
even
in
my
employment
and
I've
been
with
my
company.
This
August
would
be
30
years
and
you
know
I
started
out.
You
know
begging
on
the
street
for
a
job
and
you
know
worked
my
way
up
into
you
know
management,
so
I
I'm
definitely
advocating
that.
N
These
are
the
same
individuals
that
worked
in
the
department
in
in
22
that
you
know
my
son
did
not
get
the
training
and
the
safety,
so
we
had
the
same
staff
and
I'm
not
knocking
the
staff.
I'm
just
put
it
in
in.
You
know,
real
terms
that
this
is
the
same
staff
cheap
nap.
He
needs
training
right,
he's
going
to
go
to
seminar,
Maynard
he's
going
to
go
to
a
seminar
right
I
mean
they
need
training
right.
They
they
were
never
training,
officers
and
life
and
safety
officers.
So
you
know
they
need
training.
N
Q
I
can't
stress
that
enough.
We
already
had
one
death
we
went
on.
We
don't
want
to
have
another
one
here
again,
I
think
is
it's
tough
for
me
to
swallow
that
here
again,
if
I'm,
a
director
and
chief
supervisor,
whatever
the
case
may
be,
if
I
got
a
chance
to
get
funding
to
better
my
staff
I
take
that
fund.
Q
Q
Q
Q
The
police
department
I
think
our
starting
salary
for
our
police
officers
should
be
sixty
thousand
dollars
period.
These
young
men,
these
young
women,
go
out
and
put
their
life
on
the
line
every
single
day
they
walk
out.
They
don't
know
whether
they're
returning
I
have
the
utmost
respect
for
what
they
do.
Q
Retaining
police
officers
is
a
direct
reflection
of
your
chief,
your
police
chief
and
your
sheriff
is
a
direct
reflection
when
you
retain
staff,
if
you
got
leadership,
that's
leading
from
the
top
those
men
and
women
break
their
neck
for
you,
and
they
will
feel
sad
if
they
leave
you,
because
that's
the
respect
they
have
from
you
if
you're
doing
the
right
thing
as
a
leader.
So
when
I
look
at
retainment
and
look
at
turnover,
you
have
to
look
at
leadership
from
the
top
down.
Q
Q
If
the
American
brings
somebody
here
and
analyze
his
job
and
get
a
raise,
then
the
same
thing
needs
to
be
done
with
you
guys
job,
because
if
you
are
doing
due
diligence
to
the
community,
you
can't
do
it
part-time,
like
you're
being
asked
to
do
even
with
the
budget
you
get
here
with
the
budget
and
it's
your
first
time
really
seeing
it.
So
how
can
you
go
and
vet
and
understand
and
follow
along
with
everything
when
you're
not
prepared?
Q
D
P
Todd
banks
in
store
my
court
I
just
want
to
follow
my
commissioner
Smith
last
year
you
said
the
same
thing
about
forwarding
money
to
people
and
trying
to
help
them
with
education.
We
talked
about
possibly
doing
it
or
looking
into
it,
but
we're
here
another
year
or
not
doing
it.
We
have
to
do
something.
I
personally
have
had
to
help
some
firefighters
financially
get
started
in
paramedic
school
until
they
get
their
reimbursement
as
I'm
sitting
there.
P
Orange
County
has
an
ad
up
that
they're
paying
people
with
nothing
to
go
to
school,
to
get
standards
to
get
everything
like
Chuck
Maverick
said
we
gotta,
we
gotta
get
outside
the
box
and
really
the
times
have
changed.
We
got
to
help
people
with
education,
whether
it's
our
own
people
trying
to
get
better
or
attracting
some
new
people,
but
their
people
are
doing
it.
So
there's
certainly
ways
to
do
it,
but
we've.
This
is
a
year
that
you've
been
driving
that
thank
you.
D
O
Good
evening,
Albert
McKinley
3603
golden
gem
Road
tonight
here
we're
here
to
discuss
about
budgets,
we're
here
to
to
talk
about
investing
in
the
people
who
work
for
the
city,
I
think
we
really
have
to
look
at
the
city
as
a
whole
as
we
develop.
We
need
to
look
at
more
than
firefighters
and
more
than
the
police.
O
O
I
also
believe
that
there
should
be
a
policy
within
the
city
that
makes
it
essential
that
all
positions
are
advertised
out
with
the
city.
It's
only
fair
that
people
who
come
into
the
city,
who
are
now
going
to
be
part
of
our
community
also
get
the
same
opportunity
to
engage
within
the
community
if
jobs
are
only
advertised
within
the
within
within
the
administration
that
takes
away
a
lot
of
the
opportunity
for
people
outside,
we
I
believe,
had
how
many
people
so
far
look
at
the
position
of
economic
development
director
that's
been
six
or
seven
months.
O
Now
that
we've
been
looking
at
this
and
there's
still
no
report
so
Commissioners
mayor,
you
know,
let's
be
fair
to
everyone
who
comes
into
this
city.
Let's
have
a
policy
where
every
person
has
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
a
job
in
that
manner
we
will
get
the
best
people
for
the
position.
There's
too
many
fraternities,
there's
too
many
things
that
happen
in
where
I
came
from
in
Scotland,
where
you
shook
a
hand
in
the
handshake,
gave
you
the
right
to
a
job.
That's
not
what
I
want
to
see
in
this
city.
Thank
you.
L
Throttles
and
3156
Rolling
Hills
Lane
mayor
Commissioners,
really
appreciate
this
has
really
been
eye-opening,
I've
watched
it
before,
but
being
here
and
actually
seeing
it's
a
little
bit
different
several
points,
one,
the
aspect
of
response
time:
I
did
a
ride
along
recently
again,
if
you've
not
done
a
ride
along
with
our
Police
Department,
you
all
need
to
do
that
at
one
time
or
another.
If
you
think
you
know
the
city
you'll
learn
it,
but
to
see
the
inspiring
way
that
our
police
officers
address
people
in
difficult
situations.
L
L
Mr
Duran
is
an
issue
that
happens
with
our
Police
Department
as
thin
as
they
are,
especially
in
zone,
one
that
can
lead
to
the
loss
of
an
officer
the
scholarship,
whether
it's
a
scholarship
program,
I,
don't
think
the
reimbursement's
not
working
scholarship
program
or
a
hybrid
of
it
somehow
to
help
people
along
whether
it's
the
fire
department,
police
department
or
any
Department
in
the
city
to
help
them
move
along
Ada
is
a
subject.
We've
been
talking
about
for
two
years.
It
should
be
dead
and
in
the
dead.
At
this
point,
thank
you.
E
Stuff
to
think
on,
because
there
was
three
good
points
brought
up
there
again:
I
I,
don't
see,
I,
don't
see
the
budget
as
something
that
it's
set.
It
forget
it
right.
The
budget
should
be
something
yeah
directly.
We're
setting
a
budget
come
October
1st.
We
know
how
we're
running,
but
we
should
have
the
maturity
to
look
at
it
on
a
recurring
basis
to
say
where
we've
been
burning
hot.
E
Where
are
we
spending
light
and
be
able
to
do
things
to
Pivot
so
to
Mr
Duran's
Point
around
the
2000,
hey
yeah,
we
we
might
need
to
march
to
there
I
think
again,
good
faith
increasing
at
threefold.
That
may
not
be
the
right
number,
but
as
we
assess
because
it's
not
like
I,
don't
think
everybody's
gonna.
You
know
hit
that
pool
at
the
same
time,
but
it's
incumbent
upon
Chief,
Wildland
or
whoever
else
has
a
training
budget
to
say.
Okay,
is
it
being
used?
What's
the
velocity
that's
being
used
at?
E
E
You
know
like
wanting
to
invest
in
training,
to
say:
hey
I
burned
through
the
125
000
and
I
needed
additional
75
to
get
through
the
year
and
here's
why
I
need
it
and
here's
the
value
that
it's
providing
both
from
a
fire
perspective
from
police
every
Department
in
our
city
should
feel
the
authority
to
do
that
and
not
feel
like.
Oh,
my
gosh
I'm
gonna
have
to
increase
my
budget.
Oh,
this
is
going
to
be.
E
This
is
going
to
make
the
administration
mad
or
the
residents
mad,
leave
it
to
us
to
fight
your
battle
for
you,
because
we
want
to
do
that
if
it
means
that
we're
investing
in
the
people
properly
in
terms
of
the
Deputy
ship
position,
I've
always
been
on
the
Assumption.
Unless
someone
can
tell
me
otherwise
that
every
position
that
we
post
has
some
sort
of
outward
facing
posting
because
again
from
a
deputy
chief
perspective,
I'd
view
this,
even
though
we
don't
have
it
really
formalized
as
of
yet.
But
it's
from
a
succession
plan
perspective.
E
That's
kind
of
your
next
in
line
and
we
should
always
desire
to
have
the
best
talent
possible.
The
only
question
mark
that
I
have
that
Mr
Hall
brought
up
around
equipment
again.
My
own
ignorance
is
a
hundred
feet,
the
max.
What's
from
a
tower
truck
perspective,
what's
small,
what's
medium,
what's
large
I
mean
what
what
are
the
options
there?
Sure
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
what
those.
M
Are
so
so
100
foot?
Is
your
typical
aerial
for
this
area?
In
fact,
the
only
one
has
a
taller
apparatus
is
what
was
Reedy
Creek
Disney
because
of
the
gondolas.
Then
they
have
a
specific
Tower
truck.
It's
called
a
can't
think
of
the
name
of
it
right
now.
What's
the
name
of
the
tower
truck
at
Disney?
Remember
the
type
yeah
Bronto
Bronto,
it's
a
specific
type
that
goes
a
little
bit
higher.
M
So
again,
100
is
pretty
typical
and
the
reason
they
can
only
go
up
three
to
four
stories.
Again,
if
you
think
about,
if
something
happens
and
the
building
collapses,
we
have
collapse
zones
we
have
to
be
outside
of
so
that
100
foot
again
Pythagorean
theorem.
Looking
at
simply,
you
can
only
reach
certain
Heights
any
building
in
Downtown
Orlando
those
Tire
trucks,
don't
reach
the
top.
That's
that's
kind
of
not
the
purpose,
all
the
time
of
a
tower
truck,
it's
more
to
get
yes
aerial
perspective,
but
not
100.
Foot
is
very
typical
because.
I
H
I
E
M
M
M
B
Those
massive
buildings
and
warehouses
because
there's
so
many
points
of
entry
and
and
you
know
those
warehouses-
are
fully
staffed
and
stacked
them
differently,
and
so
that's
my
concern.
All
the
time
is,
is
the
massive
buildings
out
there
coming
up
to,
but
we've
only
gotten
up
to
four
stories
so
far
in.