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The Apopka City Council Budget Workshop #1 will discuss Community Development, Economic Development, Parks & Recreation, and Administration on July 24, 2023 at 5 PM.
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I,
don't
know
if
you
all
were
able
to
open
this
up.
I
did
do
a
a
summary
that
I
just
handed
out
that
that
had
the
budget
from
2022
2023
in
the
proposed
budget
for
2024,
which
has
the
percentage
differences,
one
of
the
big
things
is
that
the
previous
year
we
had
been
short
staffed.
As
you
know,
we
had
a
couple
people
that
went
to
the
Private
Industry
one
person
who's.
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Over
to
Lake
County
came
back
because
he
knew
it's
better
here,
but
anyway,
so
we
did
get
two
new
hires
one
person
is
came
down
from
Chicago
and
is
our
new
planner,
that's
Amir
Hamza,
and
then
we
have
another
planner
starting
in
July
31st.
So
we
will
be
up
to
speed
it's
a
little
bit
of
training
of
to
to
learn
a
pop
about
Apopka
and
we
are.
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and
then
the
operating
expenses
we
did.
We
are
increasing
one
of
the
primary
funds,
which
is
the
other
contractual
services,
and
that's
due
to
the
number
of
properties
that
we've
had
to
do.
Surveys
for
appraisals
for
we've
had
a
couple
different
studies
that
were
completed
and
then
the
other
one
that
that
is
probably
going
to
end
up
increasing
some
of
the
legal
fees
that
we've
got
to
do,
along
with
advertising
fees
for
for
advertising.
D
All
the
different
public
legal
land,
use
changes
and
Zoning
changes
that
are
required
to
you
know
to
go
on
the
paper,
the
capital
outlay.
Some
of
that
is
up
for
discussion.
We
do
have
I
believe
it's
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
there
that
we
I
thought
that
was
actually
going
to
be
taken
out,
but
that
had
to
do
with
we're
going
to
create
a
secondary
office
for
our
planning
for
our
office
manager
and
that
so
that
that
could
possibly
go
away
with
this
budget
budget
change.
D
D
Had
a
whole
lot
of
change,
obviously,
we've
got
a
pretty
slim
budget,
don't
have
to
read.
We
don't
have
to
worry
about
level
of
services
for
for
this,
the
primary
thing
with
this
is
just
being
able
to
process
the
the
plans
and
applications
on
time
on
a
timely
manner,
which
we've
been
doing
pretty
good.
D
So,
as
I
mentioned,
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
do
have
is
that
last
year
we
did
get
a
an
electric
vehicle,
I
traded.
We
we
got
two
electric
vehicles
in
for
the
Department
as
a
whole
and
I
traded
out,
one
of
our
Ford
escorts
for
for
building
and
put
in
a
an
electric
vehicle
into
Planning
and
Zoning.
So
that's
that
that
will
end
up
saving
a
little
bit
overall
cost
because
it
is
a
brand
new
car
it
does.
D
It
is
electric
and
we
were
able
to
work
with
the
charging
station
outside
the
the
provider
is
currently
shell
that
is
actually
holding
the
the
lease
for
that,
and
we've
got
that
for
no
charge
for
our
two
vehicles
that
we
have
in
the
department
now.
So
it
does
not
cost
us
a
penny
for
that
saves
on
gas
for
sure
and
electric
costs.
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D
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D
Believe
so,
at
this
stage,
yes,
we
also
last
year
we
did
hire
another
another
secretary,
which
is
Emily
and
she
is
she's
handling,
she's
working
with
Aaron
Arnold,
our
office
manager,
working
primarily
on
btr's
or
business
tax
receipts
right
now,
we're
getting
her
fully
trained
with
that
she's
already
answering
phone
calls
questions
processing
those
along
with
Mary
denizard
who's,
our
our
other
main
secretary
for
the
department.
So
we
we've
got,
we've
got
a
really.
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B
So
is
the
secretaries
in
the
plan
and
manager
included
in
your
personnel
costs?
Yes,
all
right,
so
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
it
out.
You
say
you
don't
have
one
planner
last
year
and
you
spent
912
000
and
we're
planning
on
having
four
planners
this
year,
but
that's
only
an
increase
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
We.
D
We
actually
used
used
some
of
those
funds
to
pay
for
the
Kimberly
horn
people
to
come
in
and
do
contractual
Services.
We
transferred
money
from
salaries
into
the
contractual
services
in
order
to
pay
Kimberly
horn.
They
were
doing
permit,
review
and
processing
for
for
permits
in
some
of
our
comp
plan.
Information
too.
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D
We
had
at
one
point
we
had
three
different.
Three
different
people
coming
in
typically
was
two
two
different
people.
Sometimes
they
were
coming
in
at
the
beginning.
They
were
coming
in
about
four
days
a
week
and
as
of
late,
they
as
of
late
they've,
been
cut.
They
have
one
or
twice
once
or
twice
a
week
at
the
very
most
and
that's
even
been
cut
back,
because
Amir
has
been
actually
coming
right
on
board
and
doing
a
lot
of
the
reviews
for
the
permits.
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J
Yeah
I'm
I
I
could
spend
a
whole
bunch
of
time
getting
the
Weeds
on
things
and
going
through
this
I'll
just
Echo
the
points
here
we
didn't
get
this
until
just
now.
It's
not
your
fault.
It's
I
would
assume
that
having
a
workshop,
it's
most
productive
if
we
have,
if
we're
all
prepared
to
get
into
the
to
the
weeds
of
things
so
on
on
that
front.
So
do
you
find
that
the
contractual
services
this
past
year
was
effective?
Is
that
effective.
J
Is
that
I'm
struggling
to
because
we
say
we
were
understaffed
and
that
seemed
to
be
an
obstacle
or
a
hurdle
for
us
this
past
year?
Yet
if
contractual
Services,
which
are
hey,
we
pay,
we
get
a
desired
result
back.
Why
would
that
just
not
be
the
preferred
route
this
past
year
to
get
through
any
Staffing.
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They
weren't
not
here
as
a
full-time
staff
member.
They
couldn't
answer
questions
the
general
public,
who
was
just
primarily
project
oriented.
It
wasn't
answering
questions
regarding
the
Land
Development
code
or
answering
the
process,
processing
for
Land
Development
code
changes
or
for
comprehensive
plan
changes
or
annexations
or
variances
or
special
exceptions.
They
did
not
handle
any
of
that.
That
type
of
thing
so.
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J
D
They
well
they're.
Still,
we
we've
got
two
new
planners
that
are
not
up
to
speed
in
regards
to
the
processing
for
you
for
the
comprehensive
plan
land,
all
those
the
same,
those
same
items
so
they're,
getting
up
to
speed,
learning,
how
to
process,
process
paperwork
and
and
work
with
the
with
the
developers
going
online
doing
the
zoom
calls
going
on
doing
the
in-person
meetings.
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There's
a
new
GIS
mapping
system,
a
large
GIS
Pro,
and
so
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
the
previous
mapping
system
and
Mike
subord
is
very
familiar
with
that.
Our
two
new
planners
have
not
had
the
chance
to
work
with
that
they
because
they
they
were
working
with
GIS
at
their
respective
schools
about
a
year
ago.
So
the
new
system
is
a
little
bit.
It's
a
new,
a
little
bit
more
convoluted,
but
it's
also
once
it's.
They
say
it's
more
user
friendly
I've
been
on
it
once,
and
it's
doesn't
a
little
bit
a
little.
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J
H
J
J
Sort
of
proxy
or
gearing
ratio
by
which
you
say
are
we
understaffed
overstaff,
we've
heard
a
lot
over
the
last
year
about
being
understaffed.
We
saw
in
the
employee
surveys
as
well,
so
when
we
think
about
planning,
what's
the
volume
or
what's
the
kind
of
I
I've
got
x,
amount
of
widgets
I
need
one
person
or
one
full-time
equivalent
to
be
able
to
satisfy
that
need,
promote
a
level
of
service
that
our
development
Community.
Our
residents
would
expect
right.
D
Right
now,
with
the
we
will
have
one
senior
planner,
which
is
which
is
Gene,
and
then
we've
got
a
planner
two,
which
is
going
to
be
June.
Sun
he's
the
one
that's
starting
in
July
31st
and
then
we've
got
a
planner
one,
which
is
a
mirror
Hamza,
and
then
we
also
have
the
off
the
planning
manager,
which
is
Bobby
Howell.
So
right
now,
based
on
the
number
of
permits
not
permits
but
applications
that
we've
been
processing.
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D
But
you
aren't
hearing
the
staff
reports
from
one
person,
you'll
be
hearing
it
from
two
or
three
different
people,
so
that
in
itself
will
help
spread,
I
guess
you'd
say,
spread
the
wealth
in
regards
to
the
the
projects
we
had
I
think
it
was
around
about
150
different
applications
that
were
processed
over
the
previous
last
previous
year
and
right
now
we
have.
We
have
a
whole
lot
of
projects,
but
there
a
lot
of
them
are
already
approved
they're
on
our
we.
D
We
also
have
to
update
our
project
summary
map
and
in
the
table,
which
is
the
last
time
that
was
done
was
in
June
or
January.
So
we've
got
to
get
that
up
to
speed.
That's
one
of
those
projects
that
Amir
will
probably
be
working
on
along
with
Gene
when
she
gets
back
in,
but
I
believe
that,
with
the
number
of
projects
we've
got
that
we
are
we're
at
a
stable
point
right
now.
D
If
we
end
up
getting,
if
we,
you
know,
I
I
believe
that,
with
the
number
of
projects
that
we've
got
we're
going
to
be
okay,
we
do
have
a
lot
of
different
open.
You
know
properties
that
are
still
up
in
the
kpi
that
can
get
developed,
but
it's
we're
getting
similar
projects
throughout
the
whole
city,
so
they're,
they're,
they're,
manageable.
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D
We
yeah
every
every
time
somebody
goes
on
vacation.
We
have
our
weekly
meetings
or
bi-weekly
meetings
depending
on
what
projects
are
coming
in
and
what's
needed
for
the
department.
But
if
somebody
goes
on
vacation,
we
brief
the
whole
staff
and
then
we
take
one
person
that
can
get.
They
can
do
her,
do
her
job
while
she's
away.
D
So
even
if
there's
a
if
there's
a
project
that
has
to
be
presented
to
Planning,
Commission
or
city
council,
we
have
somebody
that
can
do
that
to
fill
in
okay
most
of
the
projects
because
of
the
they're
they're
they're
they're,
like
they're
kind
of
a
repeat
of
the
same
type
of
thing.
A
land
use
is
a
land
use
Amendment,
it
just
depends
on
what
it's
going
from
or
what
it's
going
to
for
the
processing
and
then
obviously
it's
the
legal
question
in
regards
to.
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C
D
There's
that
that's
on
a
that's
on
a
need
basis
right
now,
next
year,
I,
don't
believe
we're
gonna,
you
know
come
October.
We
probably
won't
need
them
for
what
they
were
doing
for
us
this
time,
because
again,
we're
going
to
have
two
new
two
two
new
members
that
by
October
1st,
are
going
to
be
I.
Guess
you
say
up
to
speed.
J
D
Well,
we
have
anywhere
from
the
it's,
it's
a
it's
a
long
list.
It's
your
property
appraiser.
You
know
the
appraisals
for
the
property
itself,
surveys
for
the
properties,
and
this
is
for
any
property
that
we've
got
like.
For
instance.
Excuse
me,
the
property
that
we
had
on
I,
think
I
mentioned
at
one
of
the
previous
meetings,
or
one
of
our
staff
meets
that
we
had
the
property
at
the
corner
of
Highland
and
8th
Street.
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It
was
a
that
was
the
maintenance
Barn,
so
I
had
to
get
an
appraisal
on
the
whole
property,
and
then
we
did
a
survey
that
surveyed
the
whole
property.
So
we
know
what
we
had
to
work
with,
and
then
we
had
to
split
that
property
into
four
single-family
home
lots
and
an
and
a
park
land,
so
that
was
all
done
all
contractually
through
two
different
two
different
companies,
one
for
the
appraisal,
one
for
the
the
survey
itself.
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D
If
we
do
any
traffic
studies
or
Transportation
studies
that
cannot
be
paid
for
by
traffic
impact
fees,
that's
also
done
through
these
funds.
If
there's
another,
if
the,
if
other
departments
have
other
specific
studies
that
need
to
be
done,
we
can
also
do
that
through
this
fund.
If
we
need
to
hire
specific
I,
keep
hitting
this
I'm.
Sorry,
if
we
need
to
hire
a
specific
companies
to
do
any
other
studies
for
for
various
properties,
access
access
studies
we
this
that's
what
this
fund
would
be
used
for.
Yeah.
J
D
The
other,
the
other
thing
that
this
is
also
begin
is
also
part
of
being
used
used
for
is
your
comprehensive
plan.
Changes
Land
Development
code
changes
that
those
are
those
things
that
kind
of
slide
in
when
we
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
end
up
happening
in
the
future,
but
we've
already
talked
about
doing
a
a
minor
Land
Development
code
change
for
our
signage.
D
Is
how
busy
we
are
I
mean
it
just
changes
from
year
to
year
there
there
are
years
that
we've
we've
had
to
do
a
lot
of
paperwork
for
for
properties
like
back
back
in
I,
think
it
was
20,
1920
or
yeah
2020
and
2021.
We
had
different
properties
that
we
were
disposing
of,
or
we
called
Surplus,
and
so
we
had
to
get
surveys
done
and
appraisals
done.
D
That
was
that
was
done.
I
think
it
was
four
years
ago.
So
there
was
we've
had
different.
We've
had
different
demands
and
what
we,
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
make
sure
we
had
enough
money
so
that
we
had
we've
got
money
in
the
in
the
in
the
coffers
that
we
can
pay
for
these
without
having
to
transfer
money
out
of
another
portion
of
the
budget,
okay,
which.
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B
J
F
D
And
then
in
2021
we
had
we
had
a
full
staff.
I
had
two
two
planner
ones,
though
we
boosted
those
up
to
a
planner
too,
so
that
would
have
inflated
that
one
of
those
pers
one
of
those
people
left
in
2022,
and
so
there
might
have
been
a
little
bit
of
a
dip
in
that
they
went
Private
Industry
again
and
I
thought
we
was
going
back
to
a
full
staff.
We
are
going
back
to
full
staff,
but
right
now,
I've
got
a
full
full
plate.
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I've
got
planner
one,
a
planter,
two,
a
senior
planner,
a
planning
manager
and
and
me
so
it's
it's.
It's
not
just
loaded
on
one
side
or
the
other
I.
Couldn't
tell
you
exactly
that,
but
it's
you're
you're.
Looking
at
a
you
know,
twenty
thirty
thousand
dollar
difference
just
for
wages
themselves.
Commissioner,.
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J
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J
D
Building
same
type
of
thing,
as
as
what
was
handed
out,
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
include
for
this,
it
I
did
get
the
last
update
for
for
June
for
permits,
ncos
and
inspections,
and
right
now,
based
on
this
year
versus
last
year.
So
far
we
are
up
about
a
hundred
permits
per
month
on
average
and
we're
up
about
three.
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This
we
got
about
34
CEOs,
on
single
family
per
month
last
year
or
in
2022
was
31.83
overall
CEOs
were
up
we're
at
53.3
CEOs
per
month
average.
Last
year
it
was
41.67,
so
we
are
extremely
busy.
Our
inspections
are
down
a
little
bit,
but
that
usually
will
come
on
board
in
the
latter
part
of
the
of
the
physical
of
the
of
the
calendar
year
too,
which
we
had
seen
last
year.
D
We
do
have
a
full
staff.
We've
got
five
inspectors
now
we
do
not
have
a.
We
have
an
acting
building
official
right
now.
That's
John
Hanson
he's
been
here
for
quite
a
number
of
years,
so
he
knows
the
city
pretty
good,
but
we
so
that's
actually
what
that
ends
up
doing
is
he
still
goes
out
and
does
some
inspections,
but
he's
also
in-house
doing
the
the
reviews
on
the
building
permits
themselves.
So
we
are
and
then
we
just
had
another
one
of
our
permit
texts
just
went
to
we.
D
Actually
we
don't
know
where
she
went
so
we're
actually
down
a
permit,
Tech
and
down
a
I
guess
you
could
say
a
deputy
building
official.
So
that's
that's.
Those
are
two
people
that
are
pretty
valuable
based
on
the
number
of
inspections,
the
number
of
permits
and
CEOs
that
we
are
processing
and
we
are
working
to
hire
a
a
new
permit,
Clerk
or
permit
Tech,
depending
on
the
experience
that
they've
got
more
than
likely
it'll
probably
be
a
permit.
Tech.
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D
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F
D
D
J
D
Or
benchmarked
there
there
are.
There
are
weeks
that
that
we
do
get
multiple
building
permits
coming
in
from
the
builders.
You
know.
At
one
point
we
had
the
10
in
10
out
policy
personally
I
think
that
should
have
gone
to
20
in
20
out
because
we
are
getting
in.
We
are
getting
permits
coming
in
one
one
developer
brought
in
40
building
permits,
they
aren't
building
40
houses
at
the
same
time,
but
we
still
have
to
process
those
within
30
days.
So
there
are.
D
So
that
means
basically
each
one
of
those
people
has
at
least
a
week
to
be
able
to
process
when
we
get
when
we
go
online,
those
will
that'll
all
be
electronic,
so
we'll
be
able
to
pass
those
all
the
building
permits
out
to
everybody
that
has
to
do
a
review
all
at
the
same
time,
so
that
should
cut
down
on
the
time
time.
Processing.
For,
for
all
the
permits.
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J
D
G
D
D
J
D
J
D
D
One
of
the
things
that
we
are
waiting
to
see
is
how
the
online
permitting
makes
the
whole
process
run
smoother.
We
believe
it's
going
to
run
smoother,
because
again,
we
won't
have
that
paperwork
that
has
to
get
shifted
from
division,
to
division,
to
Department
to
Department.
It's
all
done
at
the
same
time.
It's
all
online,
you
can,
you
can
track
it.
Even
the
people
that
are
on
the
the
public
that
are
dropping
off
the
permits
online,
they
can
pay
for
it
online.
They
can
also
see
the
process.
D
D
If
we
need
somebody
to
to
answer
phones
or
or
to
look
up
permits,
that
might
be
something
that
the
year
after
this,
if
we
need
somebody
to
hire
to
hire
somebody
as
a
secretary
just
to
keep
every
all
the
questions
from
the
general
public,
that's
usually
the
time
the
the
thing
that's
taking
the
most
amount
of
time.
Right
now
is
answering
questions
on
the
phone.
C
D
It
right
now
the
the
expectation
with
the
online
permitting
is
that
we
won't
need
that
extra
person,
because
the
online
permitting
is
gonna.
Basically
it'll
streamline
the
whole
process
instead
of
taking
a
full
30
days
which
usually
they're
getting
them
done
in
about
two
to
three
weeks.
Right
now,
on
average,
but.
J
I
still
think
I
mean,
even
if
you
were
to
implement
that
solution
today,
I
mean
you're
you're,
going
to
have
some
clunkiness
both
from
people
engaging
with
it
from
an
external
perspective,
internally
creating
policies
and
procedures
around
hey
once
you
get
this
part
in
your
inbox.
You've
got
x
amount
of
days
internally
to
process
this
stuff,
I
mean
have
all
that
been
worked
out.
That's.
D
What
we're
working
on
right
now
is
the
timeline
for,
for
each
of
those
and
and
for
each
of
the
different
each
of
the
different
permits,
how
long
it's
going
to
take
and
who
those
permits
actually
go
to
for
the
review.
We've
got
to
take
all
that
into
account,
because
if
somebody
goes
on
vacation,
obviously
they
can't
send
it
to
Gene
if
she's
on
vacation
they'd
have
to
send
it
to
either
Amir
or
or
June.
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K
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F
C
D
C
Because
I
will
say
this
about
your
department,
and
that
is,
you
know:
I
spend
time
up
on
the
second
floor
and
there
is
a
lot
of
customer
person
to
person.
Customer
service
and
I
see
that
a
lot
of
times.
They
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
the
clients
with
the
developers,
and
so
you
know,
maybe
you
should
have
someone
that
is
basically
there
to
spend
that
much
time
and
that
allows
your
permit
text
to
continue
to
work
because
a
lot
of
times
I.
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C
D
Well,
we
did
like
I
mentioned.
We
did
add
a
another
building
clerk
position,
I
think
it
was
about
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
ago
and
then
planning
we
also
added
another
extra
planner.
So
we
we
have
that
extra.
You
know,
in
fact,
is
when,
when
I
was
the
director,
when
I
first
came
out,
you
know
back
on
board.
Six
years
ago,
I
was
in
the
planning
side
and
when
we
restructured
everything,
basically,
we
I
had
to
move
out
of
there
in
order
to
get
room
for
the
other
planner.
D
E
E
But
it's
basically
the
same
thing
that
was
in
the
budget
amendment
the
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
120
for
salaries
and
wages
and
benefits
in
about
nine
thousand
City
retirement
about
12
000.
We
put
thirty
thousand
in
contractual
Services
travel
and
per
diem
ten
thousand
in
operating
supplies.
Eighteen.
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I
J
A
I
F
E
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
update,
it's
still
status
quo,
but
yeah.
In
addition,
I
want
to
apologize
for
the
information
not
being
as
timely,
as
has
been
in
the
past.
This
is
the
second
year
with
this
open,
gov
software
and
because
of
the
number
of
upgrades
or
modifications
they
did
in
their
system
over
the
year,
it
kind
of
wiped
out
all
of
our
numbers.
A
You
know
I
I
want
to
give
Blanche
and
her
team
credit.
It
has
been
a
struggle
from
I
mean
you
think
about
she's
brand
new.
Her
two
top
lieutenants
are
brand
new
Edward's,
not
here
to
help
with
coaching.
So
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
struggle,
I
mean
and
it's,
but
but
not
because
of
not
the
hard
work
of
your
team
so
I.
Thank
you
truly
appreciate
what
y'all
have
done
to
get
us
to
this
point.
A
A
C
F
L
L
Which
is
some
of
the
highlights.
This
proposal
has
a
seven
percent
overall
increase
from
the
FY
23
budget.
When
all
the
divisions
are
considered
personal
costs,
12
percent
operating
expenses,
we
actually
have
a
decrease
of
10
percent
Capital
outlay,
an
increase
of
52
and
again
that
total
increase
is
seven
percent.
Just
some
of
the
overall
highlights
that
we'll
get
into
as
we
move
through
the
budgets
for
the
Parks
and
Rec
Department,
as
I
mentioned,
the
Personnel
cost,
you
see
an
increase
there,
because
the
facility's
maintenance
division
was
was
added
to
the
Department.
L
We
did
sharpen
the
fence
a
little
bit.
This
is
my
first
after
my
first
full
year
in
the
operation,
I
was
able
to
go
with
the
management
team
and
really
look
at
how
we
budget
and
what
our
needs
are
compared
to
what
we're
spending.
So
I
was
able
to
sharpen
the
Pence
a
little
bit
and
get
some
decreases
due
to
some
efficiencies
and
and
some
budget
changes.
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L
We
currently
have
43
full-time
employees,
kind
of
a
caveat
to
that
number,
though
the
national
average
is
58
to
be
maintenance
or
operational.
Our
budget
is
or
our
Personnel
org
chart
is
heavy
maintenance
and
operational.
So
58
is
the
standard
we're
at
81
percent,
so
we're
operating
with
the
with
a
good
load
of
of
our
Frontline
staff
and
our
maintenance
operating
Personnel.
L
So
we're
in
a
pretty
good
position.
Now
the
city
is
continuing
to
grow.
So
one
of
the
areas
that
we
are
looking
at
for
potential
growth
in
the
full-time
staff
area
is
our
facilities,
maintenance
division,
but
that's
going
to
continue
to
to
be
a
need,
as
we
continue
to
get
these
new
buildings
online,
public
safety
building
and
some
other
buildings
that
are
coming
so,
but
from
a
current
standpoint,
we're
looking
pretty
good
on
personnel.
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L
So
that's
going
to
be
in
general,
that's
going
to
be
for
some
of
our
items
like
our
athletic
field,
chemical
treatments,
which
is
the
largest
player
of
that
that's
a
204
000
and
some
change.
We
did
have
to
increase
there
due
to
some
Rising
costs
in
the
product,
but
that's
a
a
huge
part
of
how
we
keep
the
Northwest
complex
operating.
L
We
also
have
things
like
outdoor
Pest,
Control,
our
city,
property,
Mowing
and
park,
mowing:
that's
450,
000,
contract,
Palm,
Tree,
Care,
maintenance,
additional
chemical
properties
or
chemical
treatments
for
some
of
our
properties,
grease,
trap,
septic,
pumping
debris
removal,
and
then
we
also
put
in
some
new
spend
we're
asking
for
which
is
on
the
list
here.
A
park
beautification
projects
we're
asking
for
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
kind
of
set
aside
to,
as
we
move
through
the
year,
identify
areas
that
could
use
some
landscape
and
beautification
and
utilize
that,
through
our
contractor,
okay
and.
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L
L
If
a
group
comes
in
and
wants
to
run
any
type
of
gate,
access,
controlled
event,
they're
having
to
bring
a
tremendous
amount
of
rental
fencing
to
the
point
of
it's
a
lot
extra
setup
time,
and
it's
also
a
larger
expense
for
these
groups
that
are
coming
in.
So
some
of
these
areas
we're
looking
at
to
identify
to
add
fencing,
no
gate,
obviously
it'll
be
open
when
the
Park's
not
being
used
for
for
a
promoted
event,
but
to
just
set
a
better
venue
layout
for
the
property.
L
B
L
Our
events
team
is
Carolyn,
Ray,
she's,
a
romance
manager.
We
this
year
we
brought
on
in
our
reorganization.
We
reclassified
a
position
into
an
events
coordinator
position,
so
she's
been
with
us
since
the
summer
and
then
that
division
is
also
responsible
for
Camp
wewa.
So
we
have
two
positions
that
are
primarily
over
at
Camp
wewa
running
those
programs
and
events.
So
we
do
have
a
dedicated
staff.
That
is
an
area
as
this
continues
to
grow
as
a
future.
H
I
think
that's
that's
like
highly
needed
at
this
point,
especially
we're
going
to
spend
180
000
on
fencing,
if
that's
the
biggest
issue,
we're
dealing
with
from
promoters
and
and
people
running
these
events.
That's
a
lot
of
money
for
the
city
to
take
on
to
help
them
succeed
on
their
events,
but
the
more
they
succeed.
The
more
we
succeed,
but
we
need
to
be
doing
it
in
a
way.
H
That's
not
just
I
understand
we're
doubling
our
cost
to
5000
or
their
cost,
but
that's
a
small
price
to
pay
for
180
000,
fencing
the
time
set
up
and
all
that
that
we're
saving
them
as
well
so
I
I
think
having
a
position
that
exclusively
runs.
Events
here,
not
only
will
help
promote
the
city
in
a
bigger
and
better
way,
but
also
ensure
that
it's
being
done
properly.
These
events
are
going
to
be
more
refined
and
and
have
a
lot
more
success
in
the
near
future
as
well.
H
So
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial
because
and
again
that
leads
into
a
campway
wall
as
well.
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
high
focusing.
You
know
I've
discussed
this
a
lot
and
also
I've,
discussed
it
or
asked
the
council
to
come
up
with.
What's
the
plan
with
that
too,
what
are
we
doing,
which
I
know
we're
not
focused
on
that
right
now,
but
yeah
and
we'll
dig
into
some
of.
H
L
And
that's
one
of
the
reasons
when
we
did
the
reorganization
this
this
current
fiscal
year,
we
only
had
an
event
supervisor,
which
was
Carolyn,
we
kind
of
reshuffled
to
get
that
extra
event
coordinator,
support
which
her
name
is
Lexi
she's
been
really
focused
on
the
amphitheater
events,
but
a
venue,
this
style
in
this
size.
If
that's
the
direction
we
want
to
go,
it
is
gonna
to
maximize
the
investment.
L
H
H
L
Something
right
and
I
would
say
the
the
data
is
still
coming
in,
so
the
growths
and
the
event
requests
are
continuing
to
grow
through
this
year
from
last
year
sure
and
from
the
year
before.
So
we
are
seeing
interests
grow
in
that
which
I
think
will
then
justify
us
to
be
able
to
continue
to
to
dedicate
to
a
venue,
it's
a
beautiful
facility,
so
I
think
and
some
of
the
late
the
event.
The
events
we've
had
recently
have
really
shown
that
large
crowds
can
come
to
the
theater
and
and
enjoy.
L
J
L
L
L
At
this
time,
if
you
look
at
this
area
over
here,
we
have
a
large,
the
large
grass
hill.
You
know
as
this.
If
this
continues
to
grow
as
a
venue
there's
further
discussions,
any
ideas
we
can
talk
about
potentially
turning
this
into
some
Amphitheater
parking,
potentially
there's
another
building
that
we
put
over
here
with
more
restrooms
and
an
office
space.
But
there's
there's
also
office
space
or
concession
space
that
we
could
convert
into
office
space
in
the
existing
ticket
booth.
L
So
we
do
so
this
black
line
here
we
are,
we
we're
able
to
we're
going
to
be
putting
some
fencing
along
that
black
line,
as
well
so
to
fence
in
that
field,
because
that
is
a
big
area
I'm
going
to
have
the
fence
down
here
at
the
bottom,
by
the
parking
lot,
but
there's
a
big
space
there.
That
really
is
a
is
an
athletic
field.
L
It's
not
a
it's
not
for
the
event,
so
close
that
in
that
also
protects
our
field,
because
we've
had
trucks,
try
and
run
on
run
on
the
turf
up
there,
but
we
are
moving
this
budget
year
to
go
ahead
and
get
that
closed
in
okay.
Also,
when
you
have
an
event
going
on,
you
can't
do
anything
on
that
field
right
now,
because
a
ball
is
going
to
go
flying
down
the
hill,
so
no
matter
what
size,
if
even
it's
a
smaller
event,
we
can't
put
anybody
out
there
so
and.
F
C
L
That's
one
of
the
contracted
services
that
we're
looking
at
and
actually
it
should
be
at
this
next
council
meeting,
we've
got
a
piggyback
that
we'll
be
presenting
to
obtain
some
parking
services
and
that's
to
help
better
control.
Those
larger
events
which
we're
having
trouble
with
the
promoters
different
promoters
have
different
Crews
that
are
coming
in
they're,
not
familiar
with
the
property.
So.
L
Use,
that's
what
so
we
would
contract
with
the
with
the
parking
services.
It's
actually
a
city
of
Orlando
contract,
they'll,
we'll
pay
for
it.
They'll
reimburse
yeah
it'll
be
part
of
the
fee.
Okay,
so
but
those
are
some
of
the
items
that,
as
this
the
logistical
items
of
a
large
event
parking,
we
had
plenty
of
parking
in
the
park.
L
H
H
L
We
do
have
I
mean
we
do
offer
it
up
for
the
concessionaires
for
the
promoter.
Events-
okay,
right
now.
Most
of
the
events
just
use
it
as
production
space.
It's
like
they'll
have
their
they'll
have
their
day
of
production.
In
that
area
we
are
going
to
be
pushing
harder
during
our
Saturday
sounds
events.
We've
got
some
new
signage
up
on
the
building
to
kind
of
identify,
hey,
there's
concession
stand
here
to
start
utilizing.
That
area
was.
L
H
L
H
L
L
E
Updating
the
procurement
policy
later
on
during
the
year,
hopefully
August
or
September,
is,
is
the
timeline
for
that
and
we'll
incorporate
that
policy
update
in
there
for
unsolicited
proposals
that
allow
us
to
take
in
proposals
when
someone
sends
it
in
to
us,
but
we
also
compete
that
proposal
as
well.
Okay,
okay,.
L
C
L
L
L
C
L
H
H
F
H
H
L
L
L
L
H
L
So
we've
added
some
we're
requesting
some
additional
funds
to
boost
this
project.
A
little
further
right
now,
there's
just
under
500
000
dedicated
we're
asking
for
an
additional
200
000,
and
the
plan
with
this
is
to
add
the
exit
Road,
but
also
add
two
additional
grass
surface
parking
lots
with
the
thought
being
that,
as
this
inclusive
playground
is
constructed
and
finished
along
with
a
sensory
garden
aspect,
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
popular
space
to
utilize.
So
we
want
to
give
some
opportunity
for
some
additional
parking
Closer
by.
L
If
you
look
here,
there
would
also
be
some
concrete,
Ada
accessible
spaces
while
still
giving
us
the
the
outflow
we're
looking
for
on
some
of
the
larger
events.
Some
other
initial
ideas
for
parking
was
to
run
some
angled
parking
along
the
sideway
here.
We
just
think
it
wasn't
going
to
satisfy
the
the
need
at
that
location,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
development
plan
that
we're
looking
at
for
that
Northwest
Road
and
the
additional
funds
are
asked
to
help
us
boost
that
project.
L
Yes,
so
we
do
I
am
working
with
a
potential
non-profit
partner
that
might
want
to
join
into
the
project,
so
I'll
be
working
with
our
city,
administrator
and
City
attorney
to
discuss
how
that
might
look
and
then
bring
that
forward
to
get
that
project
moving
forward.
We
do
still
have
a
commitment,
a
donation,
commitment,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
a
private
individual
in.
L
That
what's
the
delay
well,
we
do
now
have
a
piggyback
contract
for
the
playground
itself.
We've
met
with
that
representative
with
the
playground.
Company
I
got
some
initial
plans
and
ideas
from
them
now
we'd
like
to
get
the
non-profit
accessibility
group
involved
to
help
us
make
sure
we're
getting
the
right
part
are.
H
L
Well,
we're
looking
at
what's
within
our
budget,
so
we
can.
We
can
get
a
large
structure
with
some
amenities
that
are
around
it,
including
the
porn
Place
surfacing
to
make
it
accessible.
Some
pretty
cool
swings
that
are
again
inclusive.
The
idea
is
inclusive
yeah,
so
not
just
an
area
for
physically
challenged
parent
or
child,
but
something
that
they
can
play
together.
Well,.
H
I
think
having
the
sensory
component
as
well
is
really
cool
too
right.
I
want
to
make
sure,
although
yeah
I
understand
we
did
budgeted.
If
we
need
to
do
some
more,
let's
spend
some
more
to
really
be
able
to
use
it
correctly.
So
right,
I
don't
want
to
just
use
that
as
our
top
out
number
and
we
just
got
to
fit
it
in
there.
If
we
got
some
space,
we
had
a
lot
of
space
there.
So
let's
do
some
really
cool
things.
I'd.
J
K
L
I
mean
we
can
we
can
go
with
asphalt
space,
it's
just
going
to
increase
the
cost
now
we're
currently
in
the
design
phase
of
this.
We
have
a
contractor,
that's
doing
this.
For
us
they
can
provide
us
the
two
alternates
as
far
as
costs,
because
and
It
ultimately
comes
back
to
when
you
bid
it.
The
cost
could
be
way
different
than
the
estimate.
L
J
L
L
L
L
L
Yeah,
so
that
and
that
that's
I
did
listen
into
the
CRA
budget
hearing
last
week
since
I
missed
it,
but
I
did
hear
those
comments
and-
and
we
can
look
at
that
further
and
it
is
in
the
CRA-
so
that's
an
area
that
could
definitely
be
enhanced
some
now
it
is
a
area
just
to
bring
up.
Obviously
we
have
the
rotary
fare
there
twice
a
year,
the
art
foliage
Festival.
So
there
are
some
heavy
events
that
utilize
that
area
for
parking
and
and
event
space.
H
L
H
H
Was
just
asking
if
there's
any
parking
at
all
but
yeah
I
didn't
know
if
we
were
going
to
convert
those
spots
that
are
too
small
for
vehicles
can
convert
those
into
parallel
parking
spots
and
then
obviously
the
the
land
that
we
own
just
to
the
south
of
it
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
was
any
plans
for
that
or
that's
just
not.
L
C
L
We
we
have
had
some
discussions
with
the
school,
the
principal
which
has
now
changed
since
we
had
that
conversation.
But
there
is
some.
It
does
sound
like
there's
some
interest
to
them,
potentially
putting
a
gate
into
the
property
into
our
property,
so
that
parents
can
then
drive
to
this
area
park
and.
L
L
B
L
L
B
L
H
And
if
we
can
just
real
quick
jump
back
to
London
Williams
parking,
real,
quick
because
again
it's
something
that
we've
discussed
and
it's
always
been
up
in
the
air.
Would
that
fall
under
you
and
kind
of
this
budget
or
where
would
that
fallen
for
speaking
of
parking
for
Orlando
Williams
on
that
South
lot
that
we
own.
L
L
The
last
couple
things
on
here
are
just
some
equipment
replacement.
We
are
looking
at
a
replacement
of
a
1998
Ford
Ranger,
we're
also
looking
to
replace
it's
the
tridec
roller,
finishing
mower
and
zero
turn
mowers.
Zero
Turns
are
the
basic
mowers
that
you
see
out
everywhere.
We've
got
some
that
are
aging
the
tridec
roller.
We
have
two
of
those
they're
larger,
finishing
mowers,
so
kind
of
give
you
the
nice
cut
on
the
thug
Fields.
Those
are
starting
to
reach
the
end
of
their
life.
L
L
We've
had
great
success
with
the
one
we
have,
the
Staffing
time
and
and
efficiencies
that
were
gained
out
of
that
it
typically
takes
about
two
hours
for
up
to
three
staff
to
line
a
soccer
field.
This
paint
machine
accomplishes
that
in
15
to
20
minutes
with
one
staff
member.
So
as
we
have
a
lot
of
tournaments
and
events
that
come
out
utilize,
the
fields
time
is
of
the
essence
so
being
able
to
dedicate
or
take
that
staff
that
was
doing
the
field
lining,
move
them
into
other
areas
and
have
one
employee
do
that.
L
It's
been
great
we're
asking
for
a
second
to
further
that
efficiency,
but
also
so
we
have
a
backup
right
now.
If
that
machine
were
to
go
down
for
any
type
of
repair
or
maintenance,
we're
then
shifting
at
least
three
people
pretty
much
the
whole
week
to
sometimes
to
get
those
fields
prepped
for
in
line
for
tournaments,
that
we
have
on
the
weekend
or.
L
L
C
J
C
H
L
A
L
L
J
J
E
Is
basically
for
depreciation
purposes?
Usually
when
you
have
your
replacement
schedules
and
your
Fleet
plans
they're
outside
of
that
type
of
system,
but
they
should
be.
You
know
matching
in
regards
to
the
number
of
Fleet
and
Fleet
that
you
own,
so
we're
working
on
that
we're
Gathering
those
Fleet
plans
from
the
various
departments
so
that
we
can
have
that
kind
of
information.
E
E
L
L
L
We
still
have
quite
a
few
lights
that
are
the
old
style,
metal,
halites
and
those
parts
for
those
lights
to
make
repairs
are
getting
harder
and
harder
to
procure.
So
we
are,
we
have
developed
a
plan
to
continue
LED
field
light
conversions,
the
first
one
we
identified
for
this
fiscal
year
is
soccer
pads,
four
five
and
six.
L
That's
that
phase
one
for
550
000
phase
two
would
be
soccer
pads.
One
two
and
three
I'd
come
back
to
you
and
ask
for
additional
funds
in
fy25
and
then
phase
three
would
be
our
baseball
fields
in
the
center
quad,
which
are
EFG
and
H.
Those
are
the
best
estimates
we
have
right
now
for
the
cost
of
the
retrofits.
That's
obviously
can
fluctuate,
but
this
could
just
kind
of
gives
us
a
little
outlay
and
Runway
of
where
we're
going
with
the
LED
light
phases.
L
We're
also
I'll
kind
of
step
down
to
the
bottom
bullet.
We
are
also
asking
for
an
additional
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
complete
a
current
lighting
project
that
we
have
in
this
fiscal
budget.
It's
looking
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
additional
for
that
project
and
that's
going
to
be
to
light
Fields,
13
and
14..
L
L
We're
also
looking
for
an
additional
Ford
truck
Ford
Ranger
for
athletics.
We
have
some
new
programming,
the
next
bullet
down
Esports
equipment
for
the
Billy
Dean
Center
athletic
staff
is
going
to
be
more
mobile
than
just
being
at
the
Northwest
complex.
So
we
do
need
some
additional
transportation
for
not.
L
Equipment
to
get
around
to
some
of
the
other
city
park
properties
and
that
Esports
equipment,
it's
a
it's
a
growing
Trend.
The
ability,
Dean
Center,
seems
like
an
ideal
spot
for
that.
We
already
have
a
media
room
built
into
that,
but
we
would
need
some
additional
equipment
consoles
games.
Tvs
monitors
some
additional
things
to
get
a
program
off
the
ground
and
we're
looking
at
a
couple
options.
One
would
be
kind
of
a
league
style,
Esports
program
or
maybe
we're
playing
Madden
or
FIFA.
L
L
H
L
H
L
L
C
H
L
F
L
We'd
be
looking
to
get
as
many
consoles
as
we
could
for
that.
A
console
is
about
400
to
500
and
then
the
games
to
go
for
that
anywhere
from
30
to
50
so
and
then
we're
looking
at
maybe
some
additional
TVs
a
couple
hundred
dollars
so
we'd
be
looking
outfit.
The
building
holds
50.,
so
obviously
we're
limited
on
storage
space.
So
we
probably
wouldn't
go
all
the
way
to
50,
but
we'd
probably
try
to
get
that
halfway
mark
at
25.,
okay,
26,
because.
L
C
H
L
Okay,
correct,
so
this
is
where
our
Our
Youth
Soccer.
Are
you
flag,
football
or
basketball?
All
of
our
Athletics
programs
are
built
into
this
budget,
in
addition
to
our
operating
of
the
facilities
that
we
have
and
the
Staffing
for
that,
so
it
really
encompasses
our
Recreation
staff,
our
athletic
staff
and
our
event:
staff,
okay,.
H
H
Me,
thank
you.
A
popular
Community
Center
is
is
in
a
dynamic
place
and
then
also
the
friend,
Carlton
Center
I
know
we
do
some
programs
there
so,
but
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
kind
of
focus
all
three
of
those
kind
of
have
a
more
cohesive
balance
between
some
stem
stuff.
I
think
the
Esports
is
really
cool
and
we
could
do
those
at
all
three.
If
we
wanted
to
but
I
know
this
is
you
got
to
start
somewhere,
but
I
do
think
stem
or
things
like
that.
H
I
L
G
L
Quick,
yes,
one
of
those
is
a
volleyball
program
which
again
we
don't
have
an
indoor
gym,
so
we'd
be
looking
to
partner
with
either
the
school
board
or
a
local
gym
to
to
run
that
program.
But
again
we're
trying
to.
We
have
a
lot
of
programming
at
Northwest
Recreation,
which
is
great
great
facility
for
it.
But
we
are
looking
at
our
broader
City
Outlook
to
to
try
and
increase
the
offerings
at
different
locations.
Absolutely
and
the
Frank
Carlson's,
a
large
location
for
our
senior
programming.
L
Garden,
so
the
senior
Garden
this
apparently
there
used
to
be
a
garden
outside
of
that
building.
That
kind
of
just
fell
into
some
disrepair,
so
we're
we're
looking
at
rebuilding
that
area
working
with
extension
services
or
some
local
nurseries
to
come
in
and
provide
some
educational
programming.
Initially
it
could
be
dedicated
to
the
seniors.
It
is
a
program,
though,
that
could
be
opened
up
to
like
grandparent
grandchild
day
or
things
like
that,
but
really
get
the
seniors
involved
to
help
maintain
the
garden.
L
G
J
L
L
So
again
we
look
or
I
look
to
the
National
recreation
park
Association
for
some
metrics
and
data
points.
When
we
look
at
things
like
this,
the
2023
report
they
put
out
overall
estimated
cost
recovery
for
Parks
and
Recreation
organizations
was
26
percent
running
the
numbers
on
our
estimated
Revenue
numbers
in
the
24
budget.
Compared
to
our
estimated
or
our
budget
expenses.
We
are
at
20
I'm.
Sorry,
the
national
average
is
24.6.
We
are
at
26.,
so
we're
a
little
we're
a
little
over
average.
L
J
L
J
J
J
L
J
L
It
yes,
both
the
harmonics
right
now
we
have
two
Saturn
sounds
a
month.
We
do
have
funding
to
increase
that,
if
there's
a
need
to
increase
it
or
want
to,
and
then
we
have
our
slate
of
annual
events,
including
like
the
holiday
light
up
the
Halloween
event.
We
do
have
some
additional
funding
for
to
help
supplement
the
Hispanic
heritage,
festival
or
celebration,
and
also
potentially
an
ad
for
the
either
Juneteenth
Juneteenth
Community
event
or
emancipation
day
event.
C
L
F
L
H
L
H
L
H
L
L
E
C
L
Yeah
so
I
as
part
of
this
budget
proposal
and
the
itemizations
I
did
put
some
additional
I
call
them
partner
event,
expenses
or
partner
event
funding,
and
that
would
be
you
know
some
of
the
events
like
the
the
art
foliage
Festival.
If
there's
some
additional
costs
that
that
we
incur
to
help
run
that
event
as
a
partnered
event,
there
is
a
line
item
now
that
has
funds
in
it.
For
that
purpose,.
L
C
H
L
So
it'd
be
it
would
be
we're
looking
at
one
or
the
other,
but
we
were
looking
at.
We've
got
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
in
that
line,
and
then
we
also
have
a
new
community
event,
expense
line
that
has
33
500
in
it.
So
we've
got
some
ability
to
build
that
event.
Out
has
a
community
event,
okay,
but
it
wouldn't
be
the
full
amount
for
that
event.
L
L
In
that,
if
you
total,
if
you
told
that
up
that's
57.5,
you've
got
art,
foliage
parade,
potentially
emancipation
day
or
Juneteenth.
We've
got
rotary
fares
if,
if,
but
typically
that
doesn't
fall
into
play
there,
but
it
is
there
if
we
need
it
and
then
it'd
be
any
other
additional
events
that
let's
say
the
council
gives
direction
to
partner.
With
this
group
we
have
some
funding
there.
We
can
look
at
to
accomplish
that.
L
L
L
C
L
L
Agreement
with
them
right
so
right
now,
the
ball
is
in
ocps's
court
we've
expressed
interest
in
renewing.
They
are
going
through
their
side
of
the
process
to
look
at
the
agreement
and
then
present
a
proposal
for
us
to
to
then
look
at
it
and
approve
so
I'll
follow
up
with
our
contact
over
there.
We
haven't
heard
from
them
in
a
couple
weeks.
This
has
been
a
process,
we've
kind
of
been
it's
been
going
on
for
a
while.
H
L
L
H
L
C
L
L
L
Our
outdoor
recreation
specialist,
who
actually
just
is
transitioning
back
to
a
part-time
capacity,
so
we're
going
to
be
advertising
for
that
and
then
our
Recreation
leader
too,
which
is
our
person
that
helps
do
all
the
program.
You
know
archery
lifeguards,
that
type
of
stuff
that
Personnel
cost.
If
you
look
at
that,
you
say
two
people,
three
hundred
twenty
thousand
dollars.
That
cost
also
includes
all
our
seasonal
staff,
so
our
activity
Specialists
our
camp
counselors.
All
that
is
rolled
into
that
number.
L
Where's
it
coming
from
yeah,
okay,
it's
comprised
from
it's
going
to
provide
us
comprise
from
our
summer
camp
programming.
It's
also
comprised
from
our
facility
rentals
and
Retreats.
So
the
groups,
like
the
the
trail
life
City
or
Trail
City
Group,
the
Boy
Scouts
Girl
Scouts,
the
ocps
city
of
Orlando's,
come
out
a
couple
times,
so
those
rental
retreats
there
is
revenue
associated
with
that
as
well.
L
C
J
H
F
G
J
F
J
J
L
Think,
speaking
of
doing
internally
run
events
like
that
for
ticketed,
so
probably
the
closest
that
we've
gotten
so
far
is
that
Easter
Trail
and
that
was
a
small
entry,
cost
ten
dollars
a
car.
But
there
is
opportunities.
We
are
looking
at
a
Haunted
Trail
type
scenario.
Also,
the
jingle
mingle
was
very
accessible,
but
there
are
some
cabins
out
there
that
could
maybe
be
a
winter
wonderland
like
you
spoke
of
a
santa
type
experience,
so
it
those
are
all
options
that
we
can.
We
can
continue
to
work
towards
to.
H
H
He
doesn't
need
to
come
up
with
a
plan
we
purchased
it.
We
need
to
say
this
is
what
we
want
either
we
want
similar
to
the
amphitheater.
We
either
want
a
small
venue
that
is
just
locals
only
or
we
want
a
world-class
Event
Center
that
we
need
to
spend
a
lot
more
on
to
get
to
that
caliber
or
we
want
this
just
say
locals
only
camp
for
summer,
so
this
is
being
ran
as
if
it
is
just
a
park
in
it's
obviously
a
cost
us
what
800
000
a
year.
H
F
J
Camp
tuitions
during
the
summer
time,
corporate
events
and
then
I,
don't
think
some
of
these
larger
scale
holiday
type
of
things
were
built
into
that
pro
forma,
but
just
for
those
two
things
it
was
getting
into
a
cost
neutral
perspective.
Because
again
the
conversation
when
we
explored
Camp
wewa
was
we
don't
want
to
be
punitive
to
the
general
fund,
because
every
dollar
that
we're
sinking
additionally
into
camp
wewa
and,
in
addition
to
the
capital
expense
that
we
incurred
was
going
to
take
away
from
operating
income
from
the
rest
of
our
general
fund
departments.
H
Mean
the
YMCA
didn't
sell
it
because
of
the
cash
cow
for
them.
There's.
Clearly,
a
substantial
amount
of
deferred
maintenance
issues
that
we're
still
dealing
with
Ada
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
so
I
mean
we're
far
from
I
I'm
sure
we
have
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
more
to
be
investing
in
this
to
really
make
this
the
center
that
needs
to
be
with.
If
that's
the
goal,
if
that
is
not
the
will
of
the
council,
then
we
need
to
decide
it
needs
to
just.
H
F
B
H
J
Even
though
operational
savings
is
what
funds
some
of
the
general
fund
Reserve,
but
this
would
be
a
classic
example
of
capital
needs
that
you
know
get
this
to
the
finish
line,
so
it
can
get
to
the
place
where
we
can
execute
on
that
pro
forma
I
mean
if
we
still
from
a
ballpark
perspective,
directionally
accurate.
What's
the
capital
expenditure
that
you
think
it's
pencils
down
in
terms
of
okay?
We
we
don't
have
any.
L
Well,
one
of
the
areas
I
mean
the
dining
hall
is
needs.
Some
rehab
I
mean
the
interior
needs
a
rework.
The
flooring
needs
to
be
redone.
The
deck
which
is
on
this
list
here
for
this
fiscal
year,
is
in
rough
shape,
so
we're
looking
at
replacing
that
there's
also
opportunities
to
add
a
more
accessible
Boardwalk,
Fishing
Pier,
in
addition
to
some
outdoor
space
event
space,
maybe
next
to
the
Pavilion
again
there's
some
work
that
would
need
to
be
done
there
to
kind
of
do
some
retaining
walls
and
things
like
that.
L
The
cabins
are
in
relatively
okay
shape.
We
have
roofs
that
need
to
be
replaced
periodically
year
over
year
and
then
in
this
we've
also
put
in
some
money
to
right
now.
The
high
ropes
course
is
not
usable
because
the
condition
of
the
of
the
equipment,
so
we've
got
funding
in
here
and
150
000
to
try
it
to
go
ahead
and
rebuild
the
high
ropes
course
with
a
different
methodology.
Right
now
the
course
is
set
up
as
individual
units,
so
you
have
to
have
a
belay
person,
a
somebody
holding
the
Rope
at
each
unit.
L
I
think
there's
like
six.
So
from
a
standpoint
of
Staffing,
if
you're
trying
to
run
all
of
them
at
the
same
time,
you're
bringing
a
lot
of
Staff
load
on
this
High
ropes
course,
methodology
has
now
shifted
to
more
of
a
pass-through
experience,
and
so
you
start
in
one
place.
You
do
a
climb
Maybe,
you
go
through
a
pathway,
elevated
there's,
different
challenge
activities
and
then
maybe
you
zip
line
off
to
the
bottom.
So
it's
got
a
different
style
clip
there's
only
certain
areas
that
need
belay
staff
or
Personnel
to.
L
The
person
can
move
through
it
and
then
exit
exit
the
process.
So
so
those
are
an
additional
funding,
a
little
bit
of
additional
funding
to
increase
the
low
ropes
area
as
well.
Add
some
additional
team
building
activities,
but
the
high
ropes
are
a
big,
a
big
thing.
If,
if
you're
looking
at
Retreats
would
be
a
big
amenity
ad,
that
could
do
that
also
down
the
future.
The
the
pool
is
starting
I
mean
it's
an
old
pool,
so
it's
a
swimming
pool.
It's
a
lap
pool
it's
not
really
a
recreation
pool.
L
We
are
looking
at
trying
to
run
some
swimming
programming
out
of
that
facility
and
maybe
some
open
swim
days
again.
That
kind
of
you
gotta
be
careful
on
the
retreat
side.
You
don't
want
to
have
a
conflict
there
between
a
public
opening
and
a
retreat,
utilizing
the
facility,
but
the
pool
could
be
an
area
that
can
be
looked
at
as
well.
L
H
B
L
Oh,
they
use
yes,
apoc
high
school
and
Wekiva
have
reached
out
to
utilize
the
pool
for
swimming,
so
it
gets
used
the
pool
gets
used
then
during
Retreats
it
gets
used
if
they
want
to
add
the
lifeguards
to
to
open
the
pool.
So
it
gets
used.
It's
just
it's
not
your
traditional
Recreation
pool.
The
the
shallowest
part
is
five
feet
deep,
so
like
for
kids
that
are
not
the
most
Adept
swimmers,
they
gotta
put
a
life
vest
on
to
participate
in
the
pool.
A
A
C
L
H
Well,
I
think
that's
a
that's
and
that's
what
that's
kind
of
my
point
very
specifically,
is
that
we've
been
in
neutral
there
because
we
didn't
know
which
side
of
the
fence
we
wanted
to
go
on.
Do
we
want
to
create
an
incredible
event:
space,
that's
for
property
events
and
high-end
vacations
things
like
that
or
is
it
more
Community
Based
there,
where
I
can
go
there
daily
to
do
swim?
Lessons
with
my
kids
and
kayak,
with
my
friends
and
whatever
it
may
be,
or
you
know
s'mores
at
night
with
the
community.
A
J
We
should
have
a
backlog,
a
waiting
list
of
people
that
are
so
encouraged
and
jazzed
up
to
come
through,
can't
we,
while
every
summer
for
a
day,
camp
and
night
camp,
that
great
that's
gonna,
drive
a
tremendous
amount
of
Revenue.
If
again,
if
you
believe
the
YMCA
numbers
again,
that's
now
that's
two
months
out
of
the
summer,
that's
going
to
be
heavily
unavailable
to
people
that
want
to
come
during
the
day
to
come
and
be
at
the
camp.
J
I
get
that
then,
combined
with
that
you've
got
your
corporate
deals,
which
a
lot
of
the
corporate
functions
probably
are
like
a
morning
to
early
afternoon
type
of
setup.
During
a
weekday
when,
let's
be
realistic,
there's
not
going
to
be
a
whole
bunch
of
people
going
out
there
anyways
it
doesn't
interfere
with
the
school
system.
J
So
then,
you
have
your
aquatic
folks
that
are
probably
going
to
be
more
in
the
afternoon,
get
some
of
those
coming
in
either
private
clubs
or
the
schools
that
you
mentioned,
but
obviously
there's
a
cost
to
us
to
run
it
so
I'm.
Assuming
that
ocps
is
providing
some
sort
of
Financial
benefit
to
us
and
then
the
other
pieces
would
be
some
of
these
big
programs,
so
like
Haunted
Woods,
something
like
that
would
be
every
weekend
for
the
month,
leading
up
to
Halloween
or
something
it's
kind
of
like
Halloween
Universal.
As.
J
Beforehand:
yeah
yeah:
how
many
cabins
do
we
have
out
there?
That's
an
opportunity
for
how
many
different
haunted
haunted
mansions.
You
know
if
you
will,
the
winter
wonderland
thing
that
might
be
similar
to
what
we
did
with
the
festivals
of
the
trees
and
stuff.
It's
an
opportunity
for
everybody
to
kind
of,
say:
Hey,
you
organization,
you
sponsor
this
cabin
or
you've
sponsored
this
cabin.
Some
of
that
we
retain
for
operational
costs.
J
Some
of
that
goes
to
whatever
charity
of
choice
that
our
partners
want
to
send
it
to
something
along
those
lines,
but
I
think
if
you
put
that
out
for
an
annual
plan
on
your
calendar
and
say
hey,
if
we
do
these
things
and
we
do
them
well,
I
think
we
get
closer.
We
close
that
Gap
materially
into
a
more
of
a
break-even
type
of
proposition
and.
H
Is
that
what
I
mean
I
appreciate
you
clarifying
that,
because
I
took
a
lot
of
notes
there,
just
that
helps
with
that,
because
everyone,
except
for
me,
was
up
here
when
it
was
purchased.
So
again,
what
was
everyone's
intentions
and
and
let's
go
that
route
and
I
do
think
it
would
be
worthwhile
to
Workshop
this
a
little
bit
more
as
well
to
get
real
detailed
on
the
amount
of
money
we're
willing
to
spend
on
this.
L
L
We
can
consider
it
goes
back
to
staff
and
making
sure
we
got
the
seasonal
staff
that
can
accommodate
that.
But
those
are
programs
that
we
can
look
to
add
to
again
you're
going
to
add
some
costs
but
add
additional
Revenue
generation.
I,
don't
know
if
we
do
an
overnight
camp
in
the
winter
break
season
a
day
camp.
We.
L
L
H
C
L
L
We
have
two
Capital
items
on
the
list.
The
old
church
section
of
the
cemetery
has
some
old,
dilapidated
chain
link,
fencing
so
he'd
be
looking
to
kind
of
re-do
that
fencing
remove
the
chain
link,
redo
the
fencing
to
beautify
that
area
and
then
we've
added
some
funding
in
for
some
additional
columbariums
to
go
along
with
the
two
that
we've
that
we've
got
coming
so
to
kind
of
build
out
that
columnarium
area
and.
B
L
Where
the
little
gazebo
is
yes,
yeah
we're
looking
at
that
I
think
there
definitely
needs
to
be
a
fence
in
there.
So
I'm
going
to
have
our
I'm
going
to
work
with
our
Public
Services
to
see
what's
really
needed
at
that
location,
because
it
is
a
pretty
it's
pretty
good
drop
off
there.
Yes,
and
that's
the
area
that
we're
looking
at
these
columbariums
to
be
installed
so
I'm
going
to
make
sure
it's
safe
for
the
higher
traffic
volume.
H
L
Park
superintendent,
Donny,
Roland
and
I
met
with
the
owner
of
the
Bay
Ridge
Cemetery
two
weeks
ago,
where
she
got
her
eyes
on
the
property
and
and
kind
of
what
we're
looking
at
there.
It
is
a
little
more
extensive
of
a
cleanup
than
initially
I
had
looked
at
when
I
first
visited
so
there's
some.
There
would
be
some
substantial
costs
to
to
do
that.
So
obviously
we
talked
about
a
fencing,
a
fencing
area
in
approximately
around
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
decorative
metal
fence.
Why
would
we
have
to
fence.
J
L
L
It
would
have
to
be
because
there's
so
many
overgrown,
headstones
and
markers
that
you
can't
really
see
right
now.
You
couldn't
use
equipment
in
there.
You'd
have
to
go
in
and
do
it
by
hand
and
we're
talking
about
a
two-acre
property.
We
would
have
to
get
a
a
firm
quote
from
a
contractor
to
say
here's
what
we're
looking
to
do.
It
would
probably
be
pretty
pricey
pricey
Endeavor.
L
Not
I,
don't
think
six
figures
but
I
think
you're,
probably
at
least
I
mean
you're
talking
two
acres
of
hand,
clearing
shrubs
and
and
undergrowth,
and
things
like
that
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
cost.
One
idea
the
our
Park
superintendent
had
idea
of
maybe
renting
some
goats
to
to
kind
of
clear
it
out,
but
I.
L
Would
be
we'd
need
somebody
to
go.
We
need
a
contract
to
go
on
and
maintain
it
on
a
routine
basis.
Two
acres
isn't
that
big
of
a
property
at
that
point,
you
do
have
a
lot
of
string
trimming,
though,
with
the
with
the
with
all
the
headstones
and
things
like
that.
But
and
you
I
mean
it's
it's
kind
of
an
unknown
until
you
get
all
that
stuff
cleared
out
of
there.
L
Think
the
reference
for
that
would
be
to
the
historical,
the
Apopka
Historical
Society
we'd
we'd
want
to
roll
them
in
to
see
if
there's
any
opportunities
out
there
for
that
type
of
thing,
I
think
the
first
thing
would
be,
you
know,
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
want
to
invest
the
money
to
take
the
property
on
and
and
clean
it
up
and
then
put
it
onto.
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L
H
L
That's
one
option
we
can
also.
If
we
don't
want
to
full-on,
go
to
acquiring
the
property,
we
can
try
and
establish
a
partnership
with
some
with
a
a
help
group,
a
local
high
school
group,
a
non-profit,
a
Boy
Scouts
group
trying
to
get
Orange
County
involved,
try
and
do
a
partnership
to
get
it
cleaned
up
first
and
then
kind
of
hand
it
off.
But
it's
it's
up
to
the
wish
of
of
the
Council
on
how.
J
J
J
J
L
J
I'm
saying,
then
it's
an
Opex
point
of
view,
like
I.
Don't
subscribe
to
the
idea
that
we
need
to
put
a
fence
necessarily
and
I
think
the
last
statement
was
made
is,
if
you
just
turn
it
to
a
kind
of
historical
tribute
type
of
cemetery
with
no
further
burials
permitted.
Since
we
own
it
and
we
wouldn't
be.
L
J
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B
B
K
L
J
A
But
the
six
billion
dollar
elephant
in
the
room
is
Orange
County.
Why
aren't
they
I
mean
I
probably
would
have
no
problem
maintaining
if
it's
five
thousand
dollars
a
year,
but
why
shouldn't
they
pay
to
clean
it
up
and
then
and
then
then
they
get
it
cleaned
up.
We
want
Annex
in
and
spend
five
thousand
dollars
a
year.
I
got
no
problem,
but
I
can't
believe
that
we're
gonna
nxp's
property
to
take
on
120
000
of
cleaning
and
then
yeah.
A
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J
K
J
I
H
A
F
J
B
B
L
B
B
L
H
E
C
E
L
L
We
have
a
slight
increase
on
the
personnel,
as
Blanche
mentioned,
with
some
Merit
increase
in
operating
expenses.
A
lot
of
that's
you
know
contractual
service.
We
had
to
add
some
additional
inspections
and
testing
and
things
at
the
camp.
We
want
property,
also
some
increased
janitorial
service,
there's
some
properties
that
we
didn't
have
appropriate
service,
for.
L
L
At
the
very
bottom,
we've
got
some
funding
to
do
some
remodeling
of
station
four
to
try
and
better
the
living
arrangements
in
that
facility.
Now
that
we
have
more
Staffing
on
property,
additional
driveway
parking
enhancements
at
station
three
and
four
again
to
help
with
the
additional
staff
that
are
at
those
locations,
we've
got
some
hoods
that
need
to
be
installed
or
reinstalled
at
some
of
the
fire
stations
in
the
Billy
Dean
Center
we've
got
a
generator
replacement
at
fire
station.
L
We
also
have
positive
air
pressure,
which
are
HVAC
upgrades
to
ensure
that
the
air
pressure
from
outside
in
the
bay
does
not
enter
the
living
space.
We've
got
funding
for
that
at
fifteen
thousand
dollars
per
station,
and
then
we
also
have
the
installation
of
the
red
light
green
light
delay
at
station
five,
which
is
basically
a
A
system
that,
as
the
doors
opening
and
then
they're
installed
in
some
of
the
other
stations
already,
but.
F
L
F
L
C
F
L
C
I
So
the
tower
itself
has
was
overloaded,
just
with
Hardware
itself,
we're
actually
only
down
to
one
vendor
on
there
right
now,
due
to
T-Mobile
and
Sprint
merging,
but
we
only
have
a
T-Mobile
antenna
on
there,
so
the
load
on
it
has
certainly
gone
down
from
the
wind
load.
That
is,
it's
certainly
gone
down
since
they've
taken
their
other
antennas
off.
So
it's
not
going
anywhere.
It's
a
50-year
galvanized
Tower!
It's
been
up
since
the
mid
to
late
80s.
I
So
the
tower
itself
is
inspected.
It's
not
in
horrible
shape.
They've
checked
the
guy
anchors.
You
know
at
this
time
it
does
not
need
to
be
taken
down
and
the
thought
was.
If
we
were
moving
at
that
property
was
going
to
come
for
sale,
then
it
would
certainly
been
a
possibility.
We
would
have
to
move
it.
L
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L
F
J
A
L
We're
oh
from
outside
of
fire
standpoint:
I
mean
we
we're
gonna.
We've
got
roofs
and
things
that
are
going
to
be
coming.
We
do
have
some
repairs
at
the
Billy
Dean
Center
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
to
do
we're
looking
at
possibly
getting
that
out
of
the
operating
budget,
though,
as
a
repair,
but
I
mean
we're.
Aj
is
here,
and
we've
really
went
through
the
budget
this
year
to
try
and
again
better
identify
and
better
group
expenditures
into
itemized
lines.
So
we
can
better
plan
as
we
move
forward.
L
So
that
in
the
wheel
budget
a
decking
rebuild
was
budget
is
budgeted
in
this
year.
What
about
the
kitchen,
the
kitchen,
the
plant?
The
appliances
are
fine,
it's
some
of
the
tables.
We
would
look
to
try
and
get
some
of
that
out
of
our
operating
operating
expenses
to
kind
of
upgrade
some
of
those,
because
those
aren't
huge
ticket
items.
They're,
not
Capital
expenses
by
any
means,
you're
talking
a
couple
hundred
bucks
that
we've
built
in
for
some
equipment
in
that
budget
I
mean
the
biggest
the
biggest
one.
L
That's
going
to
come
back
in
front
of
you
when
we
have
a
solid
number
is
we've
got
the
temporary
kitchens
installed
at
the
fire
stations,
we're
going
to
come
back
to
you
with
the
rebuild
cost?
For
that
we
have
a
contractor.
That's
now
piggybacked
that
is
looking
at
those
projects
for
us
to
give
us
an
actual
number
on
what
that
would
what
that's
going
to
look
like,
but.
L
Do
have
I'm
sorry,
we
do
have
money
in
for
a
restaurant
renovation
at
the
public
services
warehouse,
which
is
one
of
the
ones.
That's
been
a
problem
for
a
little
while
we've
had
some
leaking
issues
there
and
some
nasty
looking
tile
and
some
stuff
that
needs
cleaned
up.
So
we
do
have
twenty
thousand
dollars
committed
to
do
that
and
then
there's
some
additional
funding
to
improve
some
of
the
janitorial
services
through
some
of
those
locations
to
make
sure
we're
in.
L
J
L
We
do
currently
do
that
in
this
budget.
There's
funding
in
the
capital
for
HVAC
replacement,
it's
kind
of
as
an
as
needed
right
now,
I'd
like
to
transition
that
to
more
of
a
structured
rotation
of
here's,
what
we're
doing
and
still
have
a
little
bit
in
reserve.
In
case
we
have
a
blowout
unexpectedly.
L
J
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J
L
So
yeah
public
service
is
really
running,
that
the
construction
side
of
that
project
I
do
know
they're
in
they
are
in
design
of
that
Fleet
facility,
we'll
be
involved
from
a
maintenance
standpoint
of
when
the
design
is
getting
Rolling
Along
from
a
maintenance
standpoint
recurring.
What
do
we
see
that
might
be
some
tweaks
and
then
from
there
we'll
add
that
into
the
contractual
services
that
we
need
when
the
building
comes
online,
so
it
is
I
do
know
it
is
it
is
currently
being
designed,
and
that
was
through
funding.
This
year's
budget.
L
That
we've
had
some
thefts
at
the
Northwest
complex.
Some
of
this
will
be
creating
a
better
structure
for
some
of
those
carts
in
a
better
yard
area,
and
really
it's
just
trying
to
secure
it
as
best
we
can
do
do
the
right
things
make
sure
we're
not
leaving
keys
out
in
the
open,
make
sure
we're
locking
Gates
make
sure
we
have
thick
chains
and
things
like
that
to
try
and
mitigate
that.
L
Five
right
well,
three
and
four
were
the
main
issues.
Right
now
we
were
looking
at
five
has
really
good
lighting.
It's
also
got
very
good
Frontage
to
Jason
dwelly,
so
just
with
the
money
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
we're
looking
at
hitting
the
two
hot
items,
the
station
three
and
four
getting
those
taken
care
of,
and
then,
if
we
want
to
progress
down
through
the.
B
B
All
right
and
then
my
last
question,
there's
money
set
aside
for
some
pressure
washing
or
some
of
the
buildings
and
sidewalk.
There
have
been
a
couple
of
city
councilmates
where
individuals
have
spoken
about.
We
have
buildings
that
not
up
to
par
like
the
one
Warehouse
is
Albert
Jones
Road.
That
has
a
lot
of
graffiti.
Are
we
doing
anything
to
correct
that?
That's.
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C
F
E
C
Will
say
this
all
along
I
thought
that
that
graffiti
building
off
of
429
or
451
was
something
that
we
had
allocated
to
a
a
well-known
church
had
no
idea
that
that
fell
through
and
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
that
is
because
it's
been
mentioned
to
me
a
few
times
and
I'm
responding.
No,
the
churches
got
it
they're
going
to
do
it
so
I'm
just
learning
right
now
that
the
church
doesn't
have
it.
We
have
it.
L
L
J
L
L
J
C
I
L
What
can
what
I
can
do
is
I
can
work
up
a
number
with
our
facilities,
administrator
AJ
on
what
that
could
look
like
to
demo
that
building
for
the
meantime,
I'll
get
with
our
Park
superintendent.
We'll
go.
Take
a
look
at
it
see
if
it's
something
we
can
do
some
cleanup
at
this
point,
I
needed
or
something
or
at
least
get
make
sure
it
says
it's
aesthetically,
pleasing
as
possible
for
this
point
and
then
kind
of
come
back
with
you
with
a
number.
A
Solid
cement,
it's
not
going
anywhere.
If
you
wanted
to
fix
it
up,
yeah,
it's
still
going
to
cost
you
a
lot
of
money,
but
it's
a
it's.
A
usable
building.
We
even
tried
I
tried
to
get
the
avian
reconditioning
to
to
take
you
in
some
capacity
I.
Don't
know
why
they
wouldn't
because
to
me.
If
they're
right
across
the
street,
from
a
birding
Park
and
the
Wildlife
Drive
you
could
you
could
charge
a
ticket.
You
know.
A
F
A
H
C
L
All
right,
this
is
one
of
those
departments
or
divisions
that
you
know
as
we
continue
to
grow.
We
may
be
looking
at
some
additional
Staffing
down
the
road
to
help
with
the
administration
of
of
our
work
order,
system
and
and
kind
of
the
procurement
side
of
things
purchase,
orders
requisitions
those
type
of
things,
any
additional
questions
for
facilities,
maintenance.
L
This
is
where
we're
looking
at
providing
funding
to
do
a
phased,
install
of
new
soccer
fields
at
the
Northwest
Recreation
Complex,
and
also
a
phase
install
of
new
tennis
courts
and
pickleball
courts
adjacent
to
the
Northwest
complex
I've
got
a
kind
of
slide
here
to
describe
the
current
process
proposed
phase.
One
is
is
identified
in
the
green,
we're
looking
at
doing
the
final
grade
and
construction
of
two
additional
fields
and
installing
four
additional
field
lights.
That
would
then
the
following
year.
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L
If,
if
it
looks
like
10
pickleball
courts
are
satisfying
the
needs,
we
can
always
add
more
tennis
courts
and
do
a
larger
amount
of
tennis
scores.
If
that's
the
way
we
want
to
go
and
some
additional
sidewalks
in
phase
two
and
then
phase
three
would
be
the
an
actual
building,
Pavilion
and
parking
lot.
The
phase
one
would
just
be
a
grass
parking
area
with
some
Ada
accessible
parking
spaces.
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J
J
L
J
L
A
A
Yeah
this
is
you
know
when
we
were
talking
about
earlier.
You
know
we
just
paid
off
the
the
loan,
the
8
million
dollar
loan,
which
we
it
was
the
initial
loan
to
buy
the
property
and
do
a
lot
of
the
initial
infrastructure,
so
we've
just
paid
that
off,
which
was
about
a
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
a
year
payment.
So
we'd,
you
know
kind
of
originally
thought
about.
You
know
is
that
got
paid
off
as
to
go
back
to
the
to
the
market.
A
A
Maybe
this
phase
approach
using
the
impact
fees
we've
got
already
in
place,
you
know,
makes
makes
you
know
great
sense,
and
then
we
could
still
do
you
know
bond
issue
if
we
wanted
to
to
at
a
later
time
to
do
maybe
phase
two
and
three.
If
that's,
when
you
know,
we've
got
the
public
safety
complex
ready
to
to
go
to
to
to
the
market.
So
that's
you
know
we
could
obviously
do
a
lot
more
parking.
We
could
do
all
these
things.
You
know
phase
two
and
phase
three.
A
You
know
any
way
that
you'd
like
to
do
it,
but
that
was
the
kind
of
initial
thought
was
that
we
would
borrow
the
eight
million
dollars
and
do
all
of
this
and
more
you
know
dog
park,
and
so
all
those
things
that
we're
going
to
put
into
this
into
the
complex.
But
this
I
mean
this
is
a
great.
You
know,
I
think
a
great
start,
and
then
we
can
give
us
a
little
more
time.
It
gets
the
needs
that
everybody's
been
asking
about.
You
know.
A
Obviously,
soccer
and
Tennis
have
been
the
two
biggest
deficiencies
with
in
pickleball,
just
because
we
don't
have
one.
Obviously
a
lot
of
calls
for
that.
So
I
think
it
gets
a
lot
of
those
those
items
that
people
are.
You
know
we're
short
on,
and
so
this
will
get
us
a
good
way
that
toward
that
yeah.
J
F
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F
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L
H
L
C
C
B
C
K
Commissioners
mayor
first
I'm,
going
to
start
off
with
the
mayor's
office
budget
and
I'll,
highlight
the
significant
increases
and
discuss
those
with
you.
Real,
quick
Personnel
costs
are
pretty
much
standard,
no
major
changes
there
other
than
so.
You
all
know.
Overall,
in
the
city
budget,
we
did
see
Health
Care
increased
by
an
11.75
percent
increase
and
that's
been
across
the
board
and
all
your
personnel
costs
have
been
absorbing
those
with
regard
to
operating.
There's
a
couple
new
things
in
here.
K
One
of
them
was
a
program
that
I
requested
actually
is
the
neighborhood
restoration
program
and
that's
where
we'll
work
with
the
neighborhood
homeowners
associations,
where
the
associations
may
be
hard-pressed
for
money
to
renovate
their
entrance
ways
or
so
forth,
and
what
I'm
looking
at
doing
there
is
a
50
50
match
type
Grant,
where,
if
they
invest
50
of
the
cost
up
to
what
we
would
do
is
basically
they
could
spend
ten
thousand
dollars
and
we
would
reimburse
up
to
five
thousand
dollars.
So
they
have
to
put
something
into
it.
K
So
we're
not
doing
the
whole
renovation,
and
that
was
something
that
I'm
not
taking
credit
for.
That's
something:
that's
modeled.
After
the
county,
the
county
does
something
very
similar,
so
we
would
like
to
look
at
those
HOAs
within
our
community
that
are
having
trouble,
maintaining
their
entrance
ways
and
trying
to
beautify.
Those
entrance
ways
are.
H
K
K
C
K
The
CR
any
neighborhood
that
has
an
HOA
that
needs
to
to
do
some
renovation
toward
their
entryway,
so
we're
not
going
to
say
it
has
to
be
in
the
in
the
CRA
or
outside
the
CRA
I,
don't
just
speaking
off
top
of
my
head
I,
don't
know
too
many
neighborhoods
that
are
actually
in
the
CRA
that
have
monuments
or
entryways
that
I
can
list
off
the
top
of
my
head.
We're
talking
some
of
the
other
ones.
K
K
K
An
increase
you're,
correct
commissioner,
then
there's
some
printing
services
to
print
the
state
of
the
state
of
the
city,
booklets,
stationary
Black,
History,
Month,
booklets
and
so
forth,
and
then
also
some
marketing
Economic
Development
marketing
material
for
an
amount
of
ten
thousand
dollars.
That
will
come
in
that
budget
there.
K
C
E
K
E
F
F
E
F
K
J
J
E
E
H
A
K
You've
got
your
personnel
costs
and
operating
costs.
Currently
the
salary
for
the
attorneys
left
in
the
the
Personnel
cost,
depending
on
what
happens
in
the
very
end.
If
we
decide
to
go
and
hire
internal
again
or
external,
we'll
make
that
decision
a
little
bit
later
on
during
the
year,
I
felt
the
best
right
now
just
to
leave
it
with
Mr
Shepard.
So.
K
It's
not
a
mandatory
year;
it's
those
are
fees
that
are
charged
monthly,
so
you
know
as
long
as
we
negotiate
with
him
at
a
time
that
we
want
to
get
out,
we
can
get
out
and
give
them
notice,
but
I
feel
the
best
right.
Now
we
just
leave
with
commission
commissioner
with
Mr
Shepard
and
see
how
it
goes
with
that
make
sure
we
can
meet
your
needs
and
our
needs
and
then
re-address
it
at
a
later
date.
K
K
We're
not
the
only
one.
That's
seeing
a
big
increase,
I
understand,
there's
another
city
in
Orange
County,
that's
seen
an
80
increase
in
their
property
insurance
and
I.
Think
it's
indicative
of
what
you're,
seeing
in
your
home
insurance
I
know.
Mine
have
gone
up
tremendously
and
I'm
sure
you
all
have
two
and
we're
just
subject
to
that
same
situation.
So
that's
that's
the
biggest
hit
we're
seeing
with
regard
to
the
stop-loss
policy
that
I
spoke
about
a
couple
weeks
ago
dealing
with
the
workman's
comp.
K
We
are
still
waiting
for
fmit
to
give
us
some
figures
if
we
would
be
saving
to
have
a
stop
loss
policy
versus
the
hit
that
we
had
to
take
in
that
one
situation,
but
as
soon
as
we
we
know
that
then
we'll
know
where
to
go
from
there,
but
other
than
that.
That's
there's
not
any
significant
changes
of
this
area.
E
K
Internal
things
like
the
building
would
be
facility
maintenance,
but
if
they
had
to
repair,
for
instance,
the
copy
machine
has
a
contract
to
cover
certain
things,
but
if
it
goes
above
and
beyond,
then
we're
responsible
for
those
expenses
too.
We
used
to
we
used
to
pay
a
total
of
all
the
our
copy
machines
were
previously
on
a
lease
we've
actually
last
year,
came
off
of
that
now
we're
100
responsible
for
all
repairs,
but
we're
no
longer
paying
large
fees
for
leases
and
so
forth
on
copy
machines.
K
I
I
K
So,
depending
on
where
they're
at
in
the
city
police
yeah,
there
still
may
be
some
active
leases,
not
all
of
them
are
active
like
another
one
in
the
city
admin's
office
that
one's
come
off
lease.
This
one
upstairs
has
come
off
least,
but
now
she's
got
one
in
her
Department,
that's
leased.
It's
a
newer
machine.
Okay,.
K
F
F
E
N
We
had
seen
a
an
increase
in
the
municipal
code,
where
we
were
passing
all
the
ordinances
we
had
to
put
the
ones
over
there
and-
and
you
know,
had
additional-
we
didn't
have
enough
money
allocated
in
that
line,
so
that
usually
is
so
it's
the
cost
of
printing
services.
For
that
the
other
was
the
the
a
reduction
in
line.
42
4902.
C
N
And
then
the
line
3400
is
up
just
a
little
bit.
We
have
I,
have
it's
that's
the
election
line,
but
we're
not
you
know
we're
doing
the
piggyback
this
coming
year.
So
but
I
still
have
you
know,
there's
always
a
we
have
shredding
in
there
we
have
storage
with
micro,
film
in
the
State
of
Florida.
We
have
a
little
in
that
for
that
and
then
we
have
potential
election
needs
like.
N
If
there's
you
know
needed
to
be
a
special
election
or
anything
you
know
so
I
have
that
in
there,
but
that
was
also
reduced.
You
know
in
2022
it
was
45,
and
so
we
we
reduced
it
to
13,
but
then
we
we
did
raise
it
up.
Just
because
the
the
store
the
shredding
went
up,
the
storage.
You
know
we're
just
I'm
keeping
a
little
bit
in
there.
Just
in
case
you
know
we
have
some
of
those
election
costs
that
we.
N
N
C
J
N
J
N
That
stuff,
so
there's
not
really
a
standard
turnaround
time.
It's
it's
within
a
reasonable
time.
We
have
had
a
couple
of
really
large
requests,
but
I've
turned
those
around
I.
Have
you
know
we
get
the
daily?
You
know
requests
for
for
little
things,
but
for
the
majority
of
it
we
do
charge
now
for
for
the
request
that
you
know
take
over
a
certain
amount
and
that's
per
statute.
We're
allowed
to
do
that,
and
so
we
have
some
people
are.
N
They
might
come
back
to
us
and
say
Hey.
You
know.
Let
me
just
scale
that
down
a
little
bit
and
I'll
I
won't
I,
don't
want
everybody's
email,
I
just
want
whatever.
So
so.
We've
kind
of
you
know
saved
a
little
bit
of
time
on
that,
but
personal,
wise,
I
I
think
we
have
I
mean
I
I
feel
like
we
have
sufficient
staff.
N
I
I
know
that
sometimes
it
becomes
an
issue
with
with
some
that
people
are
crying
about
wanting
to
have
their
public
records
fulfilled
a
little
bit
sooner,
but
we
don't
really
have
I
mean
we
do
it
as
they
come
in
and
I
think
it's
going
a
lot
better.
Now
that
we
have
the
public
records
software
online
and
things
are,
are
starting
to
come
together
a
little
bit.
C
N
We
have
some
files
from
the
old
sections
that
for
one
reason
or
another,
there
wasn't
a
deed
in
the
file
for
that
particular
a
cemetery
plot,
but
we
have
we
had
them
in
the
index
card
file,
so
we're
trying
to
consolidate
everything
scan
it
in
put
it
all
into
the
system,
so
that
everything
that
we
possibly
have
with
regard
to
that
ownership
of
the
cemetery
plot
or
whoever
is
interred
there
is-
is
available.
So
she
was
taking
all
those
cards
and
it
was
really
you
know
this
little
tiny
index
cards
and
scanning
all
of
it.
N
Or
no,
we
still
have.
We
still
have
a
couple
of
SEC
sections
left
to
do,
because
what
was
happening
is.
It
was
getting
backed
up
with
her
scanning
because
we
were
scanning
into
a
file
and
then
the
girls
were
pulling
them
and
putting
them
into
the
proper
burial
plot
space.
So
so,
once
once
we
got
all
that
caught
up
it
was.
She
only
was
here
for
three
weeks,
so
it
didn't.
You
know
it.
She
kept
very
busy
for
those
three
weeks.
N
So
as
she
gets
the
rest
of
those
incorporated
into
the
laser
pitch
system,
then
she'll
start
working
on
the
next
drawer.
So
it's
not
something
that
had
to
be
done
immediately.
It
was
something
that
we
we
did
so
as
a
precautionary
thing,
so
that
we
have
all
the
the
most
accurate
records
we
can
have.
Okay,.
N
C
N
F
F
B
K
Yes,
Citywide,
but
we're
seeing
where
the
city
as
a
whole
needs
to
have
a
salary
survey
in
the
in
hr's
budget.
There
is
some
money
put
to
do.
A
salary
survey,
city-wide
and
I
say
that
because
there's
not
a
department,
that's
not
running
into
a
deficiency
of
where
our
salaries
sit
in
comparison
to
the
the
job
market
in
Central
Florida.
E
E
E
You
know
more
about
this
thing
than
me
and
with
the
utility
billing
section
again,
just
a
slight
increase
for
our
Popco
newsletter
that
we
print
out
and
just
a
slight
decrease
in
this
in
the
salaries
and
wages.
Overall
again,
we
had
some
savings
in
that
regard,
but
again
overall,
there's
an
increase.
I,
don't
know.
E
G
F
E
B
Activities
that
take
place
at
the
amphitheater
that
are
not
City
sponsored
like
the
concerts
that
are
not
City
sponsored.
Is
it
possible
because
I've
had
people
that
live
in
Rock
Springs
registry
instance
well
in
early
States
as
well,
that
they
hear
the
music
going
but
it?
But
since
it's
not
a
City
Event,
it's
not
posted
anywhere,
so
they
would
have.
B
H
A
We're
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
this
Amphitheater
becomes
more
a
lot
more
popular
and
we
get
these
outside
venues
to
come
in.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
having
an
Amphitheater.
We
have
right
now.
We
already
have
that
Amphitheater
tab,
which
will
show
not
only
our
our
salary
sounds
events,
but
these
paid
events.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
come
up
with
a
plans
like
a
bronze
and
then
like
a
platinum
package
for
the
outside
vendor.
A
Would
we
would
have
a
a
car
that
would
go
out
on
one
month
would
be
on
January
would
list
all
the
events,
including
our
our
Saturday,
sounds
and
and
paid
events,
the
other.
The
other
flip
side
would
be
February's
events,
and
so
we
will
we'd
like
to
do
that.
But
we
want
to
try
to
do
is
partner
with
these
outside
venues.
They
would.
They
would
help
us
pay
for
that
extra
card.
That
would
go
in
your
utility
billing,
as
as
an
insert
so
every
two
months,
you'd
get
a
new
a.
A
A
E
M
M
Excuse
me,
Joe
did
text
me
and
say
that
we've
actually
been
looking
at
those
other
sites
that
was
recommended
from
the
Winter
Garden
director
and
that
we
will
be
posting
to
some
of
those
sites
and
he
thinks
the
one
that
you
mentioned.
Commissioner
Becker
I
think
was
the
Florida
Economic
Development
Florida.
F
M
M
Then,
when
we
look
at
operating
expenses
and
we
look
at
other
contractual
services,
so
the
HR
department
is
actually
looking
to
purchase
their
own
fingerprint
scanner.
So.
Currently
excuse
me
we
partner
with
the
police
department
when
it
comes
to
fingerprinting,
so
we
fingerprint,
of
course,
all
of
our
new
heart
applicants.
M
We
fingerprint
the
volunteers
volunteer,
coaches
as
well,
so
we
were
looking
at
print
trying
to
obtain
our
own
fingerprint
scanner,
because
currently,
what
we've
had
to
do
since
we
added
additional
staff
in
the
last
November
one
of
our
HR
Specialists
won
she
actually
trained
down
at
the
police
department.
Here
within
the
last
couple
of
months
before
we
really
kicked
off
the
volunteers,
I
think
in
December
I
mean
in
January,
so
she
actually
went
down
to
the
police
department
and
did
some
training.
M
So
now
we
have
her
going
down
there,
because
we
have
such
an
increase
in
volume
with
fingerprints.
She
went
down
trained
so
basically
what
she
was
doing,
because
the
Police
Department
was
there
was
a
lot
of
scheduling,
conflicts
and
trying
to
get
our
folks
fingerprinted,
because
they
they
also
fingerprint
not
only
for
us
but
other
agencies,
and
so
Jackie
went
down
trained
until
what
Jackie
was
doing.
M
She
goes
down
there
a
couple
of
hours,
maybe
once
or
twice
it's
kind
of
slowed
down
a
little
bit,
but
especially
when
we
were
getting
ready
to
hire
our
summer
camp
staff
as
well.
So
she
was
going
down
for
a
couple
hours
to
do
those
fingerprints
and
when
she's
down
there,
of
course
that
takes
away
she's
the
main
person
that
answers
our
main
line
in
the
department,
and
so
it
was
just
really
come
kind
of
time
consuming.
F
M
F
K
C
M
Okay
under
operating
supplies,
a
high-speed
scanner,
so
we
actually
have
a
a
part-time
person.
That's
currently
doing
our
scanning
of
all
of
our
files,
so
we
are
actually
wanting
to
go
to
digital,
a
more
digital
platform
with
a
lot
of
the
old
Personnel
files,
because
currently
the
retention
rate
is
50
years,
actually
50,
plus
on
some
of
them
for
the
retention
of
personnel
files
50
years.
Yes,
so
we're
looking
to
get
a
scanner
to
scan
all
of
our
old
personal
files.
M
M
K
M
K
F
K
That
platform
allows
for
us
to
push,
can
training
out
in
certain
subject,
matters
like
how
to
use
a
chainsaw,
a
whole
variety
of
library
of
things,
and
so
we
can
stay
consistent
from
employee
to
employee.
We
will
use
a
video
platform
and
then
it
also
records
and
acknowledges
that
they
took
the
training
and
they've
read
inside
the
policies
and
that's
been
very
successful
at
the
police
department
and
they've
used
it
for
years,
and
that's
why
we
want
that's
why
we
want
to
Institute
it
Citywide.
G
K
Some
of
that'll
go
back
to
the
director
of
that
department,
depending
on
who's
involved
in
it.
So
if
it's
a
director,
then
he
would
do
the
direct
investigation.
If
it's
not
the
director,
then
the
department
would
be
responsible
for
doing
the
initial
and
making
sure
that
they
followed
the
city
policy.
As
far
as
did
did
the
person
violate
the
city
policy
but
on
the
director's
side
shows
responsible,
Joe
would
do
anything
affecting
the
director
or,
if
it's
classified
in
the
sexual
harassment
classification
that
comes
to
HR.
C
Other
questions,
the
only
thing
with
with
that
is
I.
When
someone
comes
in
and
files
a
grievance
and
there's
an
investigation
at
any
time,
is
there
sort
of
a
sensitivity,
program
or
a
class
or
something
that
may
be
required
for
either
the
one
who
puts
in
a
grievance
or
the
one
who's
you
know
accused
of
when
the
grievance
to
say?
K
If
it's
id'd
as
a
particular
violation
of
the
city
policy,
then
neither
the
director
if
it
set
the
director's
level
that
did
the
investigation
or
if
Joe,
was
a
dean,
that
the
director
needs
additional
training.
They
can
make
those
recommendations
and
do
that
to
the
employee
and
that's
a
case-by-case
basis.
Based
on
the
final
outcome
of
the
investigation.
K
K
Currently,
it
has
not
been
in
place
no
ma'am,
now
each
department
again
I
know
the
police
department.
I
can
speak
very
highly
of
how
it's
handled
is.
If
we
identify
based
on
the
investigation
that
there
needs
to
be
additional
training
to
that
employee,
they
would
be
sent
and
that's
the
same
pattern
that
I
followed
with
Joe
when
Joe's
come
to
me
with
certain
issues
and
that
they've
been
founded
because
a
complaint
would
be
as
you're
aware,
founded,
complained
or
an
unfounded
complaint.
C
B
K
B
F
F
A
First
thing
in
the
morning,
if
you
could
get
police
fire
and
it's
the
the
complete
Financial
detail
for
the
commissioner,
you
get
them
out
first,
just
because
they'll
be
at
least
you'll.
You
know
if
we
can
get
it
out
before
lunch
at
least
I'll
have
you
know
five
hours
to
take
a
look
at
those
before
they.
J
Yeah
I
mean,
and
one
of
the
biggest
things
too
is
it
would
be
helpful,
because
all
we're
talking
about
is
again
is
one
side
of
The
Ledger.
Here
we're
talking
about
expense
only
so
at
a
high
level.
What
are
we
marching
towards
like
the
budget
that
you've
got
draft
form
that
you're
presenting?
Are
we
balanced?
Are
we
going
to
have
Surplus?
E
Okay,
we're
balanced
with
the
use
of
reserves
is
capital
reserves,
just
like
you
noticed
in
the
FY
22
act,
for
we
did
have
some
funds
set
aside
that
were
assigned
for
Capital
Improvements
in
the
future
and
deal
with
our
carryovers
as
well.
So
we
are,
we
do
have
a
balanced
budget,
but
we
do
have
that
with
the
use
of
reserves
for
Capital
Improvements.
J
F
E
C
E
I
think
that
conversation
will
happen
on
Wednesday
with
public
services.
Okay,
but
we've
added
those
improvements.
I
mean
you,
you
are
the
one
that
mentioned
to
me.
You
notice
how
the
spending
is
not
occurring
they're,
not,
as
you
know,
spending
as
much
as
they're
budgeting.
For
so
we
tried
to
streamline
the
budgets
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
carrying
would
carry
Owen
carry
overing
funds
that
they
don't
need.
E
F
J
If
you
can
have
a
high
level
just
what
our
revenues
are,
looking
like,
yeah,
I,
wanna,
I
wanna
see
the
assumptions
because
again
the
CRA
budget
was
flat.
It
didn't
account
for
any
sort
of
increase
in
revenues,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
aligned
thinking
the
same
thing.
The
trends
and
revenue
assumptions.