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From YouTube: Apopka City Council Meeting May 19, 2021
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Apopka City Council Meeting at City Hall on May 19, 2021 at 7 PM.
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A
B
B
C
B
B
E
B
F
G
B
This
forth
and
forever
free-
it
was
more
than
two
years
later
at
the
end
of
the
civil
war
on
may
10
1865,
the
union
braggadier
general
edward
m,
mike
cook,
arrived
in
tallahassee.
The
state
capitol
to
take
possession
of
the
city
from
southern
forces
general
mike
cook
establishes
his
course
at
the
hacker
house.
Now.
F
B
As
the
knox
house
located
four
blocks
from
the
state
capitol
on
may
20
in
1865,
after
official
control
of
the
region,
was
transferred
to
union
forces.
General
mike
cook
declared
the
emancipation
proclamation.
In
effect
that
same
day,
an
announcement
arrived
in
tallahassee
sent
my
major
general
quincy,
a
gilmore
by
train
from
jacksonville
general
gilmore.
Special
order.
Number
63
noted
that
the
people
of
the
black
race
are
free
citizens
of
the
united
states
and,
as
a
result,
metaphorically
now
celebrate
may
20th
as
emancipation
day
in
florida.
B
A
Okay
for
the
minutes,
susan
did
we
get
the
added
those
added
into
the
yes
okay,
so
I
had
there
were
some
corrections
on
the
the
minutes
to
reflect
the
air,
the
helicopters,
and
so
it
should
be
in
their
minutes.
A
F
H
A
I
will,
under
my
mayor's
report,
we'll
talk
about
the
the
rock
springs
ridge.
I
J
Changes
to
the
agenda
yes
mayor,
there
is
one
change
that
staff
would
like
to
request
for
item
on
consent,
agenda
item.
10.
staff
would
request
that
we
move
this
item
to
the
last
item
under
business.
This
is
the
award
contract
rfq
2021-05,
the
payment
condition
assessment.
J
We're
asking
that
that
move
this
to
the
business
section
for
further
action.
Okay,.
A
With
that,
any
other
of
the
items
need
to
be
pulled.
If
not
look
for
a
motion
to
approve.
Excuse
me,
I'm
sorry
that
just
jumped
ahead
moving
that,
okay
down
to
number
five
okay,
nick
first
up
presentations,
we
got
bill,
airsmith
come
on
up
and
I'll
kind
of.
Let
me
lead
into
this.
This
is
kind
of
an
interesting
story
and
I
think
exciting
as
well.
A
We
were
over
in
the
cobb
building,
looking
at
all
the
stuff
we
have
in
cobb
building,
we
got
desks
and
we
got
chairs
and
we
got
all
kinds
of
things
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
you
know
what
to
do
with
all
this
stuff
and-
and
I
look
over
there,
there's
a
there's,
an
old
clock.
I
go.
What
in
the
world
is
this
whole
clock
and
somebody
said
well,
I
think
I
think
bill
airsmith
knows
something
about
this
clock.
He
said
why
don't
you
call
him?
A
He
can
tell
you
what
you
know
what
you
know
the
story
about
this
clock,
so
I'm
just
gonna
leave
it
at
that
and
bill.
I
want
you
to
kind
of
go:
go
through
the
whole
story
of
this
clock,
because
it's
pretty
amazing
and
then
we're
going
to
go
out.
We're
going
to
have
christian,
come
up
and
we're
going
to
go
out
and
and
take
an
unveiling
of
the
clock.
K
Well,
thank
you
very
much
mayor
and
commissioners.
It's
an
honor
to
be
here
tonight
to
talk
about
it.
I
was
thinking
when
I
came
in
the
room.
I'm
sure
there's
not
many
people
in
here
that
even
those
are
what
the
state
bank
of
apopka
was.
But
when
I
was
a
nine-year-old
boy
65
years
ago
and
moved
to
apopka,
the
state
bank
of
apopka
was
was
the
right
here
in
the
center
of
town.
K
It
was
the
focal
point
and
it
was
located
actually
where
the
parking
lot
of
bank
of
america
is
now
that's
where
the
state
bank
of
apopka
was,
and
it
had
this,
this
beautiful
clock
on
the
building
there-
and
it
was
everybody
just
told
time
by
the
by
the
state
bank,
will
pop
the
clock,
and
you
know
the
state
bank
opened
in
in
1912
and
during
the
the
great
depression
it
was
only,
I
believe,
was
either
two
or
three
banks
in
the
state
of
florida
that
did
not
close.
K
K
But
they
were
the
the
first
bank
in
the
state
of
florida
to
have
those
and
they
were
always
kind
of
on
the
on
the
cutting
edge
back
then
trying
trying
new
things,
but
the
state
bank
finally
wound
up
selling
out
to
a
big
bank
from
south
florida
and
they
were
there
for
a
couple
years
century
bank
and
then
century
bank
sold
out
the
sun
trust
well,
suntrust
already
had
a
bank
here
so
back,
then
you
couldn't
have
too
many
deposits
in
one
area,
so
suntrust
sold
to
barnett
bank,
who
a
lot
of
you
probably
remember
and
then
from
there
went
to
nations
bank
and
then
it
went
to
the
current
bank
of
america.
K
Well,
during
all
that
time,
the
the
the
clock
was
still
hanging
on
the
side
of
the
building
and
when
it
got
to
the
size
of
bank
of
america,
I
could
just
see
a
management
crew
coming
in
and
they
were
from
fort
lauderdale,
but
I
could
see
them
come
in
and
say
we're
gonna
repaint
the
building
and
let's
just
put
that
clock
in
the
dumpster,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
painting
around
it.
But
anyway,
I
kind
of
took
up
the
cause
at
that
time
and
lynn.
K
Garrett
was
there
as
the
the
manager
and
I
worked
with
lynn,
trying
to
get
permission
from
the
people
in
fort
lauderdale
to
to
let
us
take
it
down,
let
the
city
have
it
and
they
wanted
million
dollar
insurance
policies.
They
wanted
everything
known
to
man,
but
they
we
we
finally
got
permission
to
take
it
down,
and
so,
when
I
lined
the
city
up
to
do
it
within
about
a
month,
they
had
changed
management
companies.
So
the
new
group
says
no
you're
not
going
to
do
that.
We
have
to
start
over.
K
Basically,
so
it
took
about
three
years
to
get
to
the
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
could
take
it
down
and
with
the
help
of
the
city
crew.
We
we
did,
take
it
down
in
2015
and
and
put
it
in
storage,
with
the
the
hopes
that
somebody
would
preserve
it
at
some
point,
and
you
know
recognize
the
history
of
it
and-
and
it
is
a
beautiful,
a
beautiful
piece
and-
and
here
we
are
today
and
and
then
christian
colon,
the
eagle
status
got.
K
Which
is
a
another
great
another
great
move
there
and
and
mayor.
I
appreciate
your
efforts
and
and
bring
us
to
this
point,
but
it's
I'm
just
really
happy
that
we
are
where
we
are
and
we
are
able
to
to
preserve
it
and
it'll
be
out
of
the
elements
here
and
yeah
and
just
looking
forward
to
yeah
being
there
for
from
now
on.
So
I
appreciate.
A
A
I
have
a
project
for
you
and
little
did
he
know
that
it
was
going
to
be
the
effort
it
was,
but
I
tell
you
when
you
get
out
there
and
watch
us
pull
off
the
the
the
curtain
you're
going
to
be
amazed
at
what
all
christian
and
his
family
and
friends
have
have
done
so
christian.
Why
don't
you
kind
of
tell
us
what
you
know
how
you
got
to
the
point
where
we're
going
to
pull
the
the.
D
F
L
After
a
few
months,
I
managed
to
actually
be
able
to
transport
this
clock
to
a
location
where
I
can
work
on
it.
After
opening
up
the
clock,
seeing
all
the
wires
frayed,
all
the
base
pieces
that
were
broken
and
aged
all
this
time,
I
realized
it
was
going
to
take
more
time.
Finally,
after
a
few
months,
we
were
able
to
remove
the
oxidation.
L
A
Well,
in
in
the
motor
you
got,
they
replaced
the
the
motor
in
the
clock
with
the
original
clock
motor,
so
the
the
company's
still
in
business.
What,
since
like
18,
something
I
mean
so
over
over
over
150
years
old,
the
clock
company's
still
in
business,
and
so
so
that
makes
it
really
special.
Not
it's
not
a
you
know,
not
a
japanese
movement,
it's
it's
the
original
movement.
So
anyway,
it
was.
A
You
know,
labor
of
love
and
I
ta
family
was
all
committed
to
making
sure
this
thing
happened
and
joe
joe
helped
out
to
make
sure
we
got
it
done
right,
and
so,
with
that
everybody
wants
to
come
out.
We're
gonna
take
a
real,
quick
peek
at
this.
We're
gonna
unveil
it
and
just
show
you
how
how
amazing
this
this
clock
really
is.
M
I
do
I'd
like
to
introduce
you
to.
My
colleague:
will
hawthorne
who's
the
director
of
engineering
and
gwen
presimonde,
who
is
the
chief
of
infrastructure,
will
is
going
to
give
you
he's
going
to
show
their
2045
master
plan,
and
then
I
think,
glenn
and
will
both
said
that
they
would
take
your
questions.
Okay
and
any
comments
that
you
would
have.
They
said
that
this
is
sort
of
a
listening
session.
They
want
to
know
what
you
think.
Okay,
so.
A
N
Pam
talk
about
a
tough
act
to
follow.
I
don't
have.
N
So
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
who
we
are,
the
central
florida
expressway
authority
is
an
agency
of
the
state
that
was
established
by
the
legislature
in
2014.
Two
major
changes
happened
at
that
time.
It
expanded
our
jurisdiction
outside
of
orange
county
and
it
allowed
us
to
study
multimodal
opportunities.
N
We
are
governed
by
a
10-member
board,
a
representative
from
each
of
the
county
counties
in
our
jurisdiction,
which
include
orange
county
lake,
county
seminole,
county
osceola,
county
and
brevard
county.
We
also
have
the
city
of
orlando
mayor
and
the
orange
county
mayor
as
well
as
three
gubernatorial
appointees.
N
N
N
N
We
have
nearly
three
million
residents
living
in
our
central
florida
area
with
another
75
million
visitors
visiting
each
year,
so
that
takes
a
robust
system
to
keep
people
moving
and
get
them
where
they
need
to
go.
In
fact,
the
orlando
economic
partnership
estimates
that
we're
still
getting
around
1500
new
residents
each
week
to
our
central
florida
area.
N
N
We
do
have
a
fully
funded
five-year
work
plan
that
we
approve
and
then
update
each
year
and
the
kind
to
bridge
the
gap
between
those
two.
We
have
a
15-year
capital
improvement
plan
that
the
primary
purpose
for
that
is
so
that
we
can
project
out.
I
don't
know
why
it's
doing
that.
It's
not
supposed
to
to
make
sure
that
if
we
start
a
project,
we're
going
to
complete
it
see
it
through
to
completion.
N
N
We
even
were
here
just
over
five
years
ago,
seeking
input
on
what
would
make
up
the
2040
master
plan
that
plan
identified
11
billion
dollars
in
project
needs
in
the
four
county
area.
I
say
four
counties
because
brevard
was
added
in
2017
through
the
state
legislature
and
with
that
plan
we
will
be
investing
about
two
and
a
half
billion
dollars
by
the
year
2025
and
within
the
area
you
see
in
the
map
here.
N
So
it's
a
substantial
investment
in
orange
county
lake
county
and
surrounding
areas.
I
want
to
highlight
a
couple
of
the
signature
projects
that
were
included
in
the
previous
master
plan.
If
you've
ever
been
on
the
east
side
of
town
and
traveled,
408
and
417
you've
seen
that
interchange
be
updated
quite
a
bit,
it
was
opened
in
the
late
80s
early
90s.
It
served
us
well
for
almost
25
years
and
with
the
growth
we
had
to
make
some
substantial
improvements.
N
For
those
that
go
to
the
airport,
you
know
the
interchange
just
north
of
the
airport.
This
is
528
and
436.
This
is
another
one
that
served
us
well
for
quite
a
while.
It
was
opened
in
1980
time
frame.
It
has
loop
ramps.
You
know
things
that
kind
of
met
the
needs
of
the
time
and
we
outgrew
it
so
we're
in
the
process
of
making
a
substantial
overhaul
to
that
to
have
easier
signage,
better
flow
for
traffic,
for
not
only
residents
for
but
for
tourists.
N
Well,
I
guess
I'm
done
talking
on
that.
One,
the,
like
I
said
earlier,
the
the
biggest
change
with
the
2014
legislative
action.
Was
it
opened
up
the
doors
for
us
to
look
at
multimodal
opportunities?
N
That
was
the
first
time
that
was
done
was
with
brightline
trains,
which
I'm
sure
all
of
you
have
heard
of.
It
is
co-located
within
our
right-of-way
on
the
beach
line
or
528
we
partnered
with
them
to
get
this
accomplished,
and
it's
they're
currently
well
underway.
So
if
you
haven't
been
out
there
in
a
while,
I
encourage
you
to
go
out
there,
they're
they're,
making
I
mean
it's
changing
by
the
day
and
we
meet
with
them
every
two
weeks
and
they
they
might
even
be
laying
track
as
early
as
the
end
of
this
year.
N
So
some
of
the
major
initiatives
that
were
included
in
the
previous
plan,
we
had
two
major
expansion
projects.
The
first
was
wekiva
parkway
that
was
opened
the
first
section
in
2017,
the
second
in
2018
and
most
recently
we
acquired
the
poinsiana
parkway
from
the
previously
known
osceola
county
expressway
authority.
N
Another
major
component
were
the
existing
system
improvements,
so
on
417
429
from
2013
to
2018,
we
saw
growth.
We
saw
traffic
more
than
double,
which
is
I
mean
that
out
projects
anything
that
most
people
are
using
in
florida
when
you're
doing
projections
for
traffic
like
this
as
a
result,
we're
widening
and
adding
additional
capacity
on
417,
429
and
528,
most
of
we're
letting
back
up
so
417.
N
We
have
two
projects
underway.
The
last
one
will
be
going
up
for
bid
to
complete
all
of
those
improvements
from
idrive
up
to
528
that'll
be
going
out
to
bid
hopefully
next
month,
and
then
429
will
follow
in
right
after
that.
So
these
projects
are,
you
know
as
quick
as
we
can
get
them
out,
we're
putting
them
out
on
the
street
for
construction
concept,
feasibility
and
mobility
study.
N
To
put
that
in
perspective,
that's
that's
like
the
first
part
of
a
project.
If
for
any
new
road,
you
got
to
do
this
to
see
what
the
possibilities
are
we
completed.
A
number
of
this
is
a
conglomeration
of
all
the
studies
com
put
together.
We
have
two
active.
The
major
one
is
in
that
kind
of
reaches
out
into
brevard
county,
and
we
made
some
good
progress
on
that.
One
next
phase
in
a
project
is
a
project,
development
and
environment
study.
N
N
So
again,
why
am
I
here?
Why
are
we
here
we
want
to
get.
We
need
your
input
on
what
you
think
needs
to
make
it
into
our
master
plan.
It's
a
brief
survey.
I
encourage
you
to
take
it
yourselves
share
it
with
your
staff
share
with
your
friends
and
family.
Some
of
the
questions
you
expect
to
see,
or
you
know
what
are
some
of
the
top
transportation
needs.
You
see
in
your
area.
N
What
are
some
of
the
multimodal
accommodations?
You
think
we
should
explore.
What
are
your?
What
do
you
think
the
best
way
is
to
manage
traffic
congestion
and
then,
last
but
not
least,
what
kind
of
sustainability
should
we
be
looking
at
we're
starting
to
deploy
some
solar
arrays
to
offset
some
of
the
power
that
we
draw
from
the
grid?
H
Well,
you
know
today
I
actually
went
to
the
grand
unveiling
that
they
had
over
at
lake
nona
for
the
maintenance
depot
that
was
really
interesting
and
and
kind
of
all.
The
partners
that
were
involved
in
it
was
really
impressive,
and
it's
kind
of
interesting
that
you're
going
into
widening
highways
when
they're
looking
to
kind
of
start
taking
cars
off
the
highway
and
have
more
of
the
the
rail
be
more
the
preference
for
people
to
get
to
and
from
location.
H
So
it's
interesting,
I'm
glad
that
you're
doing
the
414,
because
as
soon
as
you
take
the
414
you're
right,
it
just
dead
ends,
and
then
it
goes
into
a
residential
community
and
then
it
just
there's
so
many
it
you
kind
of
get
lost
over
there
because
it
goes
into
I-4.
It
goes
into
maitland
and
it's
really
a
cluster
there.
So
what
you're
saying
is
it's
going
to
have
an
over
passage
over
that
residential
area
by
bear
lake
and
all
that?
That's.
N
What
we're
studying
is
is
a
very
large
bridge,
a
viaduct,
if
you
will,
that
will
maintain
the
local
connectivity,
but
almost
at
least
70
percent
of
that
traffic
is
just
passing
through,
and
the
locals
have
to
deal
with
all
that.
So
if
we
get,
we
can
get
that
out
of
their
road
that
frees
up
their
in
their
commute.
You
know
and
lessens
their
travel
time,
and
it
frees
up
those
that
are
just
trying
to
get
from.
You
know
429
to
i4,
so
it
would.
The
option
we
are
looking
at
is
elevated.
N
H
H
And
that
was
going
to
be
a
toll
road,
while
the
outside
roads
were
going
to
continue
to
be
non-told.
Are
they
still
doing
that.
N
They
are
they,
they
have
the
general,
they
call
them
general
use
lanes
on
the
outside,
which,
for
the
most
part,
are
pretty
much
open.
Today
I
mean
it's
they've
made
some
pretty
big
improvements,
trying
to
get
those
open,
and
then
the
inside
two
lanes
in
each
direction
are
supposed
to
be
express
lanes.
P
Yeah,
I
really
touched
on
some
of
the
same
areas.
I
was
looking
at
with
the
growth
of
the
sanford
airport
and
a
lot
more
travel
going
there.
It
would
just
be
nice
to
have
a
way
to
get
over
there,
so
if
that
414
can
connect
at
least
directly
to
I-4,
because
if
you
go
around
the
longwood
exit
you
get
on
those,
you
know
that
two-lane
road
it
can
take
a
while,
so
that
that
definitely
is
a
welcome
plan
there
and
just
the
question
on
the
bright
line.
How
far
does
that
extend
the
service?
P
N
The
bright
line
they
call
it
phase
two,
they
currently
end
at
west
in
west
palm
beach,
and
that
will
phase
two
is
west
palm
beach,
all
the
way
to
oia
or
the
airport.
I
don't
know
the
mileage
off
hand,
but
it's
it's
a
pretty
it's
the
biggest
leg,
they've
done
yet.
N
Where
you
are
in
the
corridor,
I've
heard
speeds
as
high
as
80
to
90
miles
an
hour.
Forgive
me,
I'm
definitely
not
a
rail
expert,
not
yet
at
least.
P
N
N
B
Well
we're
appreciative
of
what
you're
doing
with
the
429,
but
if
there's
some
way
you
could
do
a
flyover
with
the
441.
That
would
be
helpful
to
us.
A
A
I
It
would
have
been
exactly
exactly
no,
I
mean
this
is
good
stuff.
It's
funny
that
you
comment
on
it.
You
know
more
than
doubled
the
volume
on
429
a
a
lot
quicker
than
you
anticipated.
So
I
was
wondering:
did
you
all
factor
that
in
knowing
when
the
wekiva
parkway
does
connect
all
the
way
through?
Did
you
all
contemplate
being
a
little
bit
bearish
before
and
being
a
little
bit
more
bullish
on
the
volume
after
that
gets
connected.
N
These
pro,
for
yes,
it's
something
we're
constantly
monitoring
year
to
year.
You
know
we
had.
We
had
the
the
recession,
that
kind
of
slowed
things
down,
and
we
you
know
we
quickly
crime
back
up
to
her.
If
we
had
a
straight
line
projection,
we
were
you
know
right
where
we
should
have
been,
and
then
it's
kept
going
with
these
projects,
something
that'll
be
pretty
kind
of
a
first
time
thing
for
florida
and
they're
doing
it
elsewhere
in
the
country,
but
we're
gonna
have
something
at
our
disposal
in
the
future.
N
We're
gonna
put
all
the
infrastructure
in
today,
but
it's
called
part-time
shoulder
running
and
a
lot
of
the
problems
we
have
are
peak
hour.
You
know
it's,
you
travel
from
10
a.m,
to
3
00
p.m,
you're
you're,
getting
where
you
need
to
go,
it's
the
7
to
9
or
7
to
8
30.
You
know
time
frames
and
when
you're
trying
to
get
home
that
you
really
have
this
slow
down,
so
something
we've
done
with
these
widening
projects
specifically
to
429
and
417,
is
when
that
additional
capacity
is
needed.
N
We're
not
trying
to
keep
you
at
highway
speeds
we're
going
to
keep
you
moving.
I
mean
we
can
open
up
that
inside
shoulder
and
that's
another
lane
of
capacity
that
we
can
use
for
30
minutes
an
hour
whatever's
needed
to
keep.
You
know
the
backups
from
really
building
out.
So
that's
something
that
kind
of
an
insurance
policy
that
we've
tried
to
build
into
these
widenings.
Not
knowing
you
know,
knowing
that
growth
is
just
it's
going,
it's
growing
pretty
quickly,
yeah,
it's
not
a
flat
for
sure.
Oh
yeah,.
F
A
Yeah
we
had
a
nice
meeting
over
at
the
office
with
glenn
and
laura
and
will
talking
about
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
that
we'd
like
to
see
and
one
thing
we
brought
or
I
brought
up,
is
the
is:
could
we
put
in
a
a
clover
at
somewhere
around
the
hospital
that
we've
got?
We've
got
off
ramps,
but
no,
you
know
we'd
like
to
build
to
look
at
some
way
of
of
adding
some
additional
on-ramps
to
get
onto
the
onto
the
turn
onto
the
expressway.
A
You
know,
and
I
said
if
we're
going
to
do
anything
now
is
the
time
because,
as
all
these
properties
come
up
for
sale
and
they're,
starting
to
put
it
into
the
design,
if
we're
going
to
ever
get
right
of
way
to
do
those
things.
Now
is
the
time,
and
so
I
know
that
you
know
glenn
and
will
are
you
know,
they're
they're,
you
know
we'll
take
a
look
at
you
know
what
what
opportunities
are
there
in
that
area
that
we
could?
We
could
add
some.
N
Kind
of
a
absolutely
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
you
know
we've
been
working
with
pam
richmond
and
we
actually
have
a
meeting
set
up
next
week.
We're
we're
looking
at
the
possibility
of
we
call
them
slip,
ramps
to
and
from
the
north
off
binyan
binyan
road,
a
lot
of
undeveloped
property
out
there.
As
you
said,
you
know,
development
plans
are
probably
coming
in
as
we
speak
for
those
properties,
so
something
that
you
know
with
brought
to
our
attention.
We're
taking
a
look
at
it
and
we'll
see
where
it
leads
us
yeah
awesome.
F
P
N
N
I
know
that
you
know
they're
they've
they're
in
the
final
stages
of
section
six
over
the
river
that
they're
it's
a
it's
a
priority
for
sure
for
them,
and
I
want
to
say
by
the
end
of
2023.
Don't
quote
me
on
that,
though,.
P
N
A
D
C
N
Yeah,
you
kind
of
go
past
the
hospital
yeah,
it's
it's
where
429
goes
underneath
binion
road
and
there's
a
house
there,
but
I
think
it's
it
might
even
be
demolished
right
now
because
it
might
be
under
development.
Yeah,
noise
studies
are
something
we
look
at
with
with
any
capacity
improvement.
So
it's
something
that
we
have
to
do
for
state
requirements.
Q
Thank
you
mayor
just
a
short
history
on
the
kelly
park,
interchange
and
the
form-based
code.
This
is
requested
from
the
last
last
meeting
kind
of
give
you
a
quick
summary
back
about
20
25
years
ago.
There
was
a
a
big
push
to
protect
a
lot
of
the
property
up
in
where
it
had
been
envisioned
for
a
this,
the
the
roundabout
going
around
the
the
main
metropolitan
development
area
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
wekiva,
parkway
and
protection
act
was
enacted
by
state
the
state
of
florida
in
2004.
Q
As
a
result
of
that,
what
we
ended
up
doing
back
in
in
2011
was
actually
adopting
the
kelly
park,
interchange
in
the
form
based
code.
The
form
based
code
was
actually
adopted
in
2017.
Q
That
was
2011
2011
took
a
few
years,
a
little
bit
longer
than
what
it
was
supposed
to
supposed
to
be
within
two
years,
a
two-year
period,
but
in
2017
we
actually
did
adopt
the
form
based
code
for
the
kelly
park,
interchange,
which
included
a.
Let
me
pop
forward
real,
quick.
Q
A
one
mile
district
going
from
the
kelly
park
interchange
here.
This
is
kelly
park
and
then
plymouth,
sorrento's
right
here
and
then
the
429
of
course
comes
up
from
from
up
from
441
just
west
of
downtown.
Q
So
let
me
back
up
a
little
bit
just
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
perspective,
but
that
that
is
a
one
mile
radius
going
out
from
the
center.
We
actually
measured
it
a
little
bit
more
accurately
after
this
was
actually
adopted
in
our
comprehensive
plan,
and
it's
a
little
bit
shorter
doesn't
actually
go
north
of
ontario
road
and
it
goes
just
to
happy
road
on
the
south
side.
Q
So
there
were
quite
a
few
different
requirements
that
that
we
put
into
the
form
base
code.
These
things
were
elements
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
what
we
got
was
something
and
it
was
comparable
to
what
baldwin
park
celebration.
Winter
springs.
Q
Town
center
actually
had
one
of
the
things
that
this
didn't
have,
though,
was
one
property
owner
or
two
property
owners
or
multiple
property
owners,
one
entity
that
was
actually
part
of
a
development
of
regional
impact
for
the
area
and
the
development
regional
impact
was
actually
adopted
back
in
2011
and
it
included
about
1550
dwelling
units
on
564
acres
and
included
about
93
acres
of
park,
land
10
million
square
feet
of
non-residential
that
included
office
quite
a
bit
of
light
industrial,
actually,
five,
five
million
square
feet
of
industrial
which,
by
the
way,
we're
already
putting
that
in
in
other
areas.
Q
Besides
just
this
area,
there's
retail,
medical
and
400
rooms
for
hotel-
and
we
actually
adopted
that
as
instead
of
a
separate
document,
we
actually
included
this
as
part
of
our
march
2019
land
development
code
under
appendix
a
so
there
were
a
couple
little
things
that
we
did
did
change.
We
did
add
in
there
were
originally
six
districts
within
that
form
base
code
area.
We
added
one
in
there
called
medtech
for
medical
technology
and
that's
basically
where
the
hospital
orlando
health
has
has
already
purchased.
52
acres
there.
Q
So
with
this
one,
though,
the
whole
idea
was
to
create
this
is
the
only
interchange
between
right
now,
441
and
sanford.
Q
So
this
is
the
only
location
that
that
the
state
designated
for
development
and
the
development
density
goes
anywhere
from
five
dwelling
units
up
to
25
million
units
per
acre
if
if
they
can
meet
certain
conditions,
but
typically
it's
going
to
go
anywhere
from
5
000
units
on
the
outskirts
area,
and
then
it
increases
with
density
similar
to
what
they
did
in
baldwin
park
and
celebration,
where
you
have
your
commercial
center
and
your
higher
density
type
developments,
whether
it's
apartments
or
condominiums.
Q
So
to
give
you
an
idea,
the
this
is
the
celeb
or
baldwin
park
celebration,
and
this
is
winter
springs.
This
is,
they
actually
have
a
graded
type
development
where
they
have
higher
density
here,
town,
home
type,
development,
single
families
and
then
along
the
outskirts
area
by
the
conservation
district.
It's
larger
lot,
homes
that
are
oh
half
acre
lots
to
acre
lots
actually.
Q
So,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
the
the
center
part.
This
is
the
transition
area.
This
is
the
area
that
you
can
get
up
to
25
20
spray.
Current
again,
that's
under
only
special
conditions.
This
is
you'll
notice,
it's
a
little
foggy
around
these
perimeters,
and
that
was
done
and
on
purpose
that
it
wasn't
supposed
to
be
a
exact
setting.
Q
300
feet,
I
believe,
is
what
we
actually
have
in
our
code,
but
the
whole
district
area
here
is
supposed
to
be
a
it's
a
mixed
use
district,
but
it
is
designated
that's
in
that
mixed
use,
whether
it's
residential
or
commercial
or
non-residential,
is
supposed
to
be
spread
out
over
the
whole
district,
not
in
one
area,
not
on
one
property,
as
I
mentioned
in
one
of
the
at
the
meeting
last
a
couple
weeks
ago,
if
you
had
one
property
owner
that
had
say
two
acres,
it
wouldn't
be
realistic
to
put
a
commercial
building
and
a
residential
building
on
that
one
unit,
or
vice
versa,
just
putting
one
commercial
unit
and
not
doing
the
residential.
Q
Q
You
can
have
a
mix
of
residential,
whether
it's
town,
homes
and
larger
lots,
which
we
actually
have
a
couple
different
developments
on
the
north
side
up
up
in
this
area
here
that
are
that
do
have
that
that
have
already
been
approved,
and
then
right
in
here.
This
is
where
the
publix
is
publix
actually
has.
There's
you
know
the
main.
The
main
commercial
component
is
taking
up
a
good
swath
of
property,
but
there's
also
an
open
area.
That's
just
to
the
west
of
that.
Q
That's
in
this
kind
of
mix
between
the
village
center
and
the
interchange
area
that
they've
they're
toying
with
different
ideas,
they're
thinking
apartments,
because
it's
next
to
the
the
interchange,
good
access
good
in
and
out
they're
they're,
also
thinking
you
might
end
up
becoming
more
office
office
oriented,
but
that
changed
when
covet
hit
because
everybody's
working
from
home.
So
so
that
component,
we
aren't
sure
what's
going
to
happen,
but
they
did
do.
Q
One
of
the
main
requirements
is
to
create
create
spine
roads
going
north
and
south
and
east
west
to
help
divert
the
traffic
off
of,
say,
plymouth,
sorrento
round
lake
road
kelly
park
itself.
Q
We
aren't
going
to
get
too
much
going
east
and
west,
obviously
because
you
got
the
429,
but
we
do
have
joy,
mcguckin
road,
which
does
have
an
underpass
that
could
get
the
traffic
coming
in
from
the
spine
road
going,
north
and
south
on
this
side
coming
to
the
west,
where
effie
lane
comes
right
up
in
this
area,
and
this
is
the
property
where
the
the
hospital
owns,
so
that
might
end
up
becoming
the
north-south
corridor,
because
that
does
go
through
all
the
way
up
to
on
detroit
right
now.
Q
But
we
don't
have
a
main
corridor
going
south
in
that
area,
but
it
could
end
up
becoming
a
connector
road
going
going
over
to
the
east
so
that
people
would
not
have
to
actually
get
on
kelly
park
to
go
to
publix.
They
could
jump
on
that
that
spine
road
go
underneath
the
429
then
come
up
the
spine
road
going
right
up
to
the
publix
on
this
side.
Q
So,
last
a
couple
weeks
ago,
we
have
a
development,
that's
actually
coming
into
for
tonight
for
approval.
There
was
a
this
is
the
development
area
right
in
here,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned
is
that
the
density,
the
the
the
mixed
use
is
supposed
to
be
spread
over
the
whole
district,
not
just
in
one
location
and
what
staff
looks
at
is
the
the
viability
of
a
location
and
what
what
could
actually
go.
Q
One
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
avoid
is
doing
what
we
call
spot
zoning,
where
you
put
a
commercial
unit
where
no
commercial
is
or
should
be,
with
the
advent
of
possibly
getting
effie
drive
coming
in
and
coming
over.
This
way,
if
you
drive,
if
a
developer
comes
in
and
there's
only
about
three
property
owners
in
this
area,
that
could
be
a
very
viable
location
for
a
higher
density
employment
center.
Q
We've
already
talked
to
a
couple
people
that
wanted
to
do
some
industrial
warehousing
in
there
and
that
might
be
a
very
good
location
because
it
could
get
on
the
429
have
access
going
to
the
north
and
the
south.
At
that
location,
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
dri,
they
had
over
5
million
square
feet
designated
in
the
dip
in
the
development
regional
impact.
We
don't
know
how
viable
that
dri
is
because
the
original
company
that
put
it
together
is
basically
defunct,
and
so
there's
some
property
owners
that
want
it.
Q
There
are
other
properties
that
don't,
but
there's
a
list
of
about
10
to
15
things
that
have
to
be
done
before
they
can
do
any
development
in
there.
If
they're
going
to
take
into
conjunction
with
the
into
consideration
the
development
of
regional
impact
parameters
that
that
are
needed.
Q
So
the
kelly
park,
interchange,
form,
base
code,
purpose
and
intent
again
if
it's
within
a
for
within
the
one
mile
radius.
It
does
get
that
the
density
bonuses
that,
if
you're
outside
of
that
area,
you're
in
north
of
pond,
can
road
you're
limited
to
only
two
dwelling
units
per
acre.
One
of
the
things
one
of
the
caveats
for
the
kpi
form-based
code
kelly
park.
Interchange,
is
that
if
you
have
a
piece
of
property
that
does
cross
this
line,
you
can
benefit
from
the
five
dwelling
units
per
acre.
Q
We've
had
a
couple
people
that
a
couple
developments
that
in
this
area
here
that
that
have
crossed
that
line,
so
they
can
actually
get
that
5
millionths
per
acre
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
I
mentioned
at
a
couple.
Different
meetings
is
that
when
somebody
says
five
dollars
per
acre,
they
don't
necessarily
get
five
dwellings
per
acre
because
once
you
put
the
roads
in
you
take
into
consideration
the
setbacks
for
a
home
you're.
Q
Q
So
these
all
have
to
be
rezoned
to
the
mixed
use.
Cali
park,
interchange
of
the
mixed
use,
kpi
zoning
category-
they
all
have
to
have
the
land
use
of
the
mixed-use
kpi,
so
they're
they're
limited
that
way,
and
then
they
have
to
and
then,
and
then
during
part
of
that
rezoning
is
that
they
have
to
be
designated
one
of
those
districts
which
are
coming
up
in
a
second
there's,
no
minimum
or
maximum
lot
size.
At
this
stage.
Q
Q
Q
Density
areas,
your
employment
areas,
that's
on
the
southwest
corner,
that's
where
we're
trying
to
get
all
of
the
industrial
and
the
campus
type
settings.
That's
where
the
the
med
tech
is
actually
part
of
part
of
that
it's
actually
on
the
north
side,
and
then
the
interchange
is
your
main
interchange.
The
only
place
that
you
can
do
a
gas
station
is
on
that
interchange
area.
You
can't
bleed
out
and
and
change
that
whole
parameter
or
the
idea
of
having
a
a
clean
business
downtown
district.
Q
We
don't
want
to
put
gas
stations
in
the
middle
of
a
a
shopping
center
and
actually,
if
you'll,
if
you've,
if
you
haven't
driven
by
the
the
new
publix,
that's
up
there,
that's
the
new
prototype
it
actually
has.
I
got
to
tell
you
this
real
quick.
It
has
an
upper
deck
where
you
can
get
your
subs
and
then
go
upstairs
and
eat
them
on
a
balcony
either
overlooking
the
inside
of
the
store
or
overlooking
the
parking
lot.
Q
It's
kind
of
different
and
actually
looks
pretty
good,
but
there
is
an
outlet
there
that
cannot
be
a
gas
station
and
so
we're
we're
waiting
to
see
what
what
that
might
end
up
being.
But
publix
is
very,
they
scrutinize
what
they
want
for
their
partners
transition
district.
That's
some
of
that
area.
As
I
mentioned.
That's
that's
that
orange
district
area
here
and
it's
spread
out
pretty
good.
Q
That's
why
we're
kind
of
hoping
that
we
get
this
corridor
built
up
in
order
to
take
advantage
of
the
true
mixed
use,
but
anybody
that
comes
in
there
is
going
to
get
highly
scrutinized.
We
we
actually
had
a
development
that
was
up
in
this
area
here
that
we
actually
did
require
a
a
lot
for,
and
it's
a
two
and
a
half
acre
lot.
Q
It's
four
commercial
commercial
venture
in
that
area,
but
it
does
border
the
main
village
center,
also,
which
is
going
to
be
pretty
much
just
commercial,
so
we'll
get
the
mix
in
there
and
then
your
neighborhood
is
the
single
family
homes
at
the
lower
density,
which
is
the
five
dollars
per
acre
right
now.
Obviously,
we've
got
the
publix
going
in
bridal
path
and
in
orlando
beltway
east.
Q
Those
are
the
two
dwell:
the
two
developments
on
the
north
side
of
kelly
park
just
on
the
west
of
plymouth,
sorrento
parkview
preserve
these
are
yeah.
We've
got
282
units
and
they're
larger
lots,
but
they
also
have
bungalow
styles
in
the
center
portion
and
then
the
oaks
of
kelly
park.
We
got
phase
one
and
phase
two
and
they're
actually
looking
at
doing
a
phase
three
now
they
so
that
it's
it's
a
decent
development
toll
brothers
owns,
has
this
one
and
they
build
a
very
nice
product.
Q
So
these
are
the
this
is
parkview
preserve
here,
bridal
path,
orlando
beltway,
east,
and
then,
let's
see
what
ones
oaks
of
kelly
park.
Is
this
one
right
here-
and
this
is
we
didn't
get
this?
This
is
kelly
park
is
right
here,
and
this
is
the
429.
Q
I
could
blow
that
up
and
be
a
little
bit
easier,
but,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned
is
there's
a
there's,
a
few
really
big
parcels
that
are
part
of
the
development
regional
impact
and
those
are
the
ones
that
are
probably
going
to
somebody's
going
to
snatch
those
up
and
build
a
really
good
development.
Out
of
them.
That's
going
to
be
a
mixed
use
because
they
do
have
frontage
on
publix
or
on
publix
on
kelly
park
and
that's
our
main
main.
Q
I
I
I
Q
Q
But
if
a
developer
came
in
here
and
had
this
property
here
and
then
they
bought
the
property
on
this
side
over
just
on
the
fringe
area,
you'd
end
up
doing
what
they
did
over
in
rock
springs,
where
you
split
a
property
and
tell
them.
You
can
do
this
on
this
half
of
the
property,
but
you
can't
do
it
on
that
half
of
the
property,
so
the
whole
idea
was
that
it's
supposed
to
be
flexible.
It's
not
an
exact
line.
Q
Q
What
what
I
do
want
to
do
is
when
we
get
our
when
we
redo
our
comprehensive
plan,
we're
going
to
be
working
on
that
this
year
is
to
take
that
point,
which
is
supposed
to
be
the
center
and
utilize
that
as
the
main
line
and
then
change
this
map,
so
that
it
actually
is
that
one
mile
and
then
give
a
little
bit
more
clarity
change
for
this
transitionary,
because
the
transitionary
over
here-
that's
not
it's,
not
realistic.
Q
I
Okay,
so
I
picked
up
on
something
that
you
said,
and
it
gives
me
pause
again
because
I
always
feel
like
I
get
to
a
good
spot
and
something
said,
and
I'm
like:
okay,
I'm
back,
I'm
back
a
couple
pegs,
so
you
say
on
the
orange
section:
the
transition
overlay.
I
Q
Q
Okay,
remember
plymouth:
sorrento
is
your
main
corridor,
this
whole
area
and
it's
about
as
far
north
as
the
as
the
village
center
area.
This
is
going
to
be
the
high
scrutiny
area.
Where
we're
we
are
going
to
require
a
true
mixed
use
where
you
have
either
commercial
and
residential
up
above
or
you
have
commercial
that
runs
back
from
plymouth,
sorrento
and
from
the
you
know
this
side
and
then
also
off
at
kelly
park.
Q
It
it
doesn't
say
exactly
this
area,
but
it
allows
us
the
context
to
be
able
to
say.
Yes,
you
have
to
have
that
there
it's
an
or
type
statement
it
talks
about
single-family
large
lot
development
and
then
it
also
talks
about
a
mixed
use.
So
the
mixed
use
can
go
in
this
area
and
the
ore
can
be
down
in
this
area
or
up
in
this
area
yeah.
I
just.
Q
I
In
other
areas
of
our
land
development
code
outside
of
the
kpi,
we
have
very
more
specific
guidelines
around
mixed
use,
meaning
if
it's
over
40
acres,
you're
really
trying
to
drive
the
percent
residential
versus
the
percent
non-residential
and
oh
by
the
way.
If
it's
over
40
acres
and
it's
not
on
arterial
or
collector
road,
it
doesn't
it's
not
subject
to
those
specifications.
Q
I
agree:
that's
one
of
the
that's
one
of
those
things
that
we've
got
to
correct
in
our
land
development
code
and
especially
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
that
it
is
a
lot
more
specific
and
if
it
is
a
certain
number
of
acres
that
you
have
to
have
a
specific
percentage
for
non-residential
versus
residential,
yes
yeah.
I
agree.
I
I
think
a
piece
of
business
that
will
contemplate
later
that
probably
led
to
some
of
this
conversation.
Now
you
know,
there's
there's
things
within
our
code.
That
gives
you
a
certain
amount
of
discretion
too,
and
I
get
that
I
just
I
wanna
have
a
more
prescriptive
language
in
there
and
then
the
caveat
being
as
the
community
development
director.
You
have
some
discretion
to
say.
I'm
I'm
looking
at
market
need
market
demand
and
I'm
making
a
recommendation
as
the
community
development
director.
A
Commissioner
becker's
point:
what
if
we
looked
at
at
least
each
every
property
that
borders
on
cali
park
or
plymouth
arena
either
side
of
the
road
be
a
mixed
use,
at
least
the
the
property?
That's
on
the
on
the
one
of
those
two
roads,
and
then
at
least
that
would
be
mixed
use.
And
then
you
could
go
when
you
get
past
one
lot,
north,
south,
east
or
west
from
those.
A
I
I
I
like
how
the
non-kpi
piece
of
our
code
is
written.
You
know
you
have
your
allowable
use,
so
call
it
single
family,
townhome
and
then
other
uses,
and
if
it's
a
small
property
to
your
point
that
you
were
saying
before,
if
it's
two
acres,
you
can
do
all
one
sort.
You
pick
you
can
pick
any
one
of
those
three
here
you
go.
I
Q
Yeah,
I'm
a
nerd
about
the
deal,
that's
what
we're
looking
at
and
we've
got
our.
You
know
the
glitch
amendments
that
we
that
we're
working
on.
As
I
mentioned,
we
we're
looking
at
actually
working
with
the
east
central
florida
regional
planning
council
to
do
our
to
help
with
our
comprehensive
plan
update
and
those
will
be
those
opportunities
that
we
have
to
kind
of
refine
some
of
these
areas
that
really
shouldn't
be
necessarily
a
transition.
Q
B
Q
Fixed
we're
we're
actually
working
with
the
east
central
florida
regional
planning
council
to
work
on
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
should
have
something
that
we
can
bring
before
you
for
for
approval,
probably
within
the
next
month
to
two
months
and
then
the
land
development
code
we're
already
working
on
some
of
the
language
as
one
of
the
glitch
amendments.
But
I
I'm
cautious
overly
cautious
of
changing
that
if
we
don't
know
exactly
how
we're
going
to
redo
the
map,
but
the
map
will
end
up
getting
redone
it'll
be
closer
to
that
one.
Q
Mile
radius,
we
had
a
couple
different
property
owners
up
off
of
road
that
were
zeroing
in
on
where
they
lived,
and
they
did
not
like
this
map
because
it
included
their
their
property
in
that
in
this
form,
based
code
area
in
the
kpi
district
and
the
actual
mild
just
is
just
shy
of
where
he
actually
lives
and
so
he's
a
lot
more
comfortable
plus
it's
the
appy
road
is
kind
of
a
nice
southern
boundary,
and
that's
within
that
other
mile
that
we
have
in
our
land
development
code.
Q
Actually
so
we're
I'm
hoping
I'm
hoping
we
can
get
everything
started
within
the
next
within
the
next
couple
months
and
if
I
need
to
update
our
lan
development
code,
because
this
is
part
of
it,
I
can
do
that
and
and
get
some
of
these
more
designated
numbers
that
that
commissioner
becker
had
mentioned,
that
we
can
that
we
can
realize.
F
B
That
includes
the
map-
yes,
yeah,
all
right,
so
should
another
developer
comes
in
prior
to
you
getting
those
corrections
so
we'll
be
back
in
this
same
scenario,.
Q
It's
possible
if
something
came
in
in
this
area
here,
we'd
probably
look
at
it
a
little
bit
more
thoroughly
because
it
does
have
that
option
of
of
that
north-south
corridor
coming
down
from
effie
lane
or
if
he
wrote,
is
it
rover
lane.
Q
Thank
you,
so
that's
going
to
get
a
lot
more
look,
look-see
and
then
also
going
up
to
onitch
road.
That
whole
area
there
is
is
a
is
definitely
going
to
get
a
lot
more
scrutiny
than
some
of
these
fringe
areas.
If
somebody
came
in
off
of
here,
they're
going
to
probably
be
over
closer
to
fe
effie
lane,
so
we
don't
have
anybody
there
yet,
because
there's
no
water
and
sewer
line
of
sidelines
up
there
either.
A
P
You've
parsed
it
out
pretty
well,
so
I
won't
belabor
it,
but
I
agree
that
the
main
arteries
need
to
be
the
focal
point
in
going
out
from
there.
We've
got
to
make
sure
to
protect
so
that
you
know
we
need
the
houses
like
publix.
They
want
a
certain
number
of
rooftops,
so
we're
filling
those
spots,
but
we
need
to
protect
the
landmass
that
we
can
get
in
the
shopping,
dining.
The
things
that
we
want
to
see
again
as
the
4
429
connects-
and
this
becomes
a
major
thoroughfare.
Then
then
we'll
start
seeing
that
come.
P
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
protecting
that
and
again
we'll
get
rid
of
the
fuzzy
lines
here.
Q
One
other
thing
I
really
want
to
point
out
before
you
go.
One
of
the
things
I
mentioned
is
that
this
right
in
this
area
here
we've
got
that
transition
where
you
go
from
a
high
density
to
lower
density
and
then
the
really
low
density
and
then-
and
then
this
area
out
here,
is
where
you
get
to
the
two
dwellings
per
acre.
I'm
not
really
in
favor
of
this
area,
where
we
can't
control
the
five
millions
per
acre.
Q
You
know
coming
out
from
your
main
interchange.
It's
it's
almost
twice
as
far
and
this
area
here
should
have
been
probably
a
five
trillion
unit
per
acre
going
to
the
two
dwelling
unit
per
acre,
because
right
now
it
could
go
ten
and
then
two
and
that's
just
not
that's
not
good
planning
in.
In
my
my
mind,
you
usually
want
to
do
a
higher
intensity
to
lower
intensity,
lowest
intensity,
graded
type
of
development,
so
that
that's
another
one
that
we've
got
to
look
at
correcting
it.
When
we
get
our
comp
plan,
updated.
H
So
to
their
to
their
point,
is
that
right
now,
if
a
developer
comes
in
and
wants
to
do
10
units
per
acre,
we
have
to
approve
that
because
it's
it's
part
of
the
language
here.
Q
There's
some
discretion,
obviously
for
for
a
lot
of
this.
If,
if
somebody
came
in
and
wanted
to
really
press
the
press,
it
yeah,
they
probably
could.
But
again,
I'm
always
a
believer
that
the
city
council
still
has
that
discretion
to
say
we
want
something,
a
little
more
matching
for,
say
the
properties
over
here.
Q
If
there
was
a
development
that
came
in
here
that
had
some
single
family
lots
that
were
70
or
80
acre
or
80
feet
wide
we'd
want
to
match
that
similar
to
what
we
do
in
the
rest
of
the
city
and
then
and
then
build
the
density
going
towards
the
interchange
itself
and
the
developers.
A
lot
of
them
are
pretty
conscientious
of
what
they
have
around
them
and
they
they
work
at
doing
the
higher
density
in
the
middle
and
then
surrounded
by
the
the
the
less
dense
product
on
the
outside.
Q
That
is
over
on
the
east
side,
let
me
go
forward
real
quick
to
the
map.
H
Okay,
so
that's
a
concern
because
we
have
rule
areas
in
that
in
that
behind
where
they
want
to
go
with
the.
Q
Other
backup
in
this
area
here,
but
we
we
do
look
at
protecting
the
rural
areas.
This
is
not
one
of
those
areas,
though,
and
this
this
has
already
been
approved,
they're
looking
at
adding
a
phase
three,
as
I
mentioned,
they're
actually
developing.
If
you
go
up
on
kelly
park,
they've
got
the
sign
up
the
science
there
and
it
it's
already
gone.
Q
Phase
three
was
being,
I
believe,
the
the
annexation
of
the
the
land
use
was
done
at
the
last
meeting.
First
reading.
H
Q
E
E
I
guess
we're
the
spearhead
of
that.
The
john
land
apopka
community
trust,
so
several
businesses
in
town
have
kind
of
banned
it
together
for
this
community
initiative,
and
I
wanted
to
just
tell
y'all
a
little
bit
about
that.
This
generation
is
growing
up
like
none
other.
I
grew
up
in
apopka.
I
got
here
one
in
1964
and
like
no
other
generation,
this
thing
was
not
even
invented
yet
and
we
did
crazy
things
like
have
orange
fights
on
saturday.
You
know
I'm
just
all
kind
of
stuff,
but
but
it's
a
different
animal.
E
E
82
percent
of
teens
say
that
they
have
experienced
some
form
of
cyber
bullying
and
75
percent
of
the
teens
are
now
well.
75
of
teen
life
is
spent
on
a
screen
of
their
waking
life
right
now,
a
lot
of
the
things
to
covet
and
education
issues
and
what
have
you
but
there's
a
lot
going
on,
and
I'm
not
it's
not
that
we're
against
the
phones.
It's
that
we
want
to
help
give
parents
some
tools
on
how
to
help
protect
and
propel
their
children
forward
and
know.
E
What's
going
on,
78
percent
of
the
teens
say
that
they
check
their
device
every
hour
at
least
once
every
hour.
We're
not
a
whole
lot
better,
we're
48,
but
at
any
rate-
and
then
I
guess,
probably
one
of
the
scary
statistics
is
10
percent
of
children
12
to
13
years
old,
say
that
they
have
a
compulsion
toward
pornography
because
of
their
phone.
E
E
So
any
rate,
this
is
a
time
that
they
are
in
many
ways
addicted
to
their
screen.
Parents,
don't
really
know
what
to
do.
In
fact,
most
parents
feel
like
their
children,
know
more
than
they
do
about
their
phone
when
their
phone
breaks
or
they
don't
know
what
to
do.
They
hit
hand
their
phone
to
johnny
or
mary
and
say:
can
you
fix
this?
I
can't
do
this.
Can
you
put
an
address
or
whatever
now
we're
pretty
technologically
savvy,
but
as
parents,
many
parents
in
town?
Don't
really
know
what
do
I
do?
E
Most
people
don't
even
know
that
when
they
take
a
picture
in
daytime
stamps
it
and
geo
stamps
it
so
that
we
know
that
mary
actually
goes
to
the
city
park,
every
tuesday
at
10
a.m,
and
so
child
predators
can
find
this
out.
So
there's
all
kind
of
things
that
technology
has
as
a
as
a
challenge,
and
what
does
a
parent
do
so
we're
not
trying
to
address
parenting
but
giving
tools
free?
E
This
is
a
free
event
to
the
parents
of
the
folks
here
in
apopka,
and
we've
been
to
all
the
elementary
schools
and
told
everybody
that
we
can
about
it.
Advertising
a
lot,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
city
aware
we're
very
thrilled
to
be
in
in
the
city
I'm
as
a
pastor
of
freedom,
fellowship
and
business
owner
in
the
city
for
two
decades.
E
I
can
say
that
you
know
this
is
home
and
we
wanted.
We
want
to
do
what's
right
by
helping
parents
be
able
to
be
equipped
so
that
their
children
don't
get
derailed.
I
mean
this
to
me.
E
This
is
an
issue
of
protecting
your
child
from
being
derailed,
so
they
can
become,
who
they're
supposed
to
become
there's
a
lot
of
cool
people
out
there,
whether
they're
engineers
or
whatever
they
are,
and
you
can
get
derailed
because
you
don't
know
how
to
talk
to
somebody
because
you're
always
on
this,
you
have
no
social
skills
and
so
there's
just
a
bunch
of
different
things.
This
is
not
just
a
seminar
about
pornography.
In
fact,
it's
it's
a
just
a
real
tool.
E
Tool-Driven
thing:
it's
not
a
churchy
driven
thing,
and
so
we
just
have
put
together
a
lot
of
research
want
to
present
that
in
a
three-hour
time,
from
nine
to
noon
on
this
saturday
it
is
free,
but
if
people
would
go
to
parenting
in
a
digitalage.com,
it
helps
us
to
produce
enough
books
we're
going
to
give
resource
books
where
to
get
all
this
stuff.
So
you
don't
have
to
write
all
the
notes,
we're
giving
away
three
to
five
hundred
dollars
worth
of
free
stuff.
So
hopefully
people
will
avail
themselves
to
this.
E
F
R
Good
evening,
thanks
for
letting
me
address
the
board
here,
my
name
is
gary
mcsweeney
and
I
live
on.
Spinfisher
drive
in
rock
springs
ridge.
That's
the
seventh
phase
of
the
community,
and
I
am
a
director
and
recently
elected
president
of
the
hoa
association
and
I'm
here
to
first
introduce
myself
officially
to
the
ward.
So
you
know
who
I
am
pardon
me
and
put
a
face
to
the
name
and
a
name
to
the
face.
So
when
I
see
you
on
the
streets,
we
will
know
each
other.
R
So
with.
With
that
in
mind,
I
we
have
had
mayor
of
one
or
two
meetings
with
you
and
your
staff
about
how
to
move
forward
from
the
bigger
picture
to
the
smaller
picture
and
develop
details
for
proceeding
ahead,
which
has
been
very
appreciative.
We
have
met
last
night
with
our
may
board
of
directors.
Meeting
kurt
was
to
be
there
kurt
arderman.
R
The
attorney
for
our
community
dealing
with
the
golf
course
issue
was
to
be
there
for
a
30-minute
presentation
and,
quite
frankly,
with
the
hundred
or
so
people
there
may
or
commissioner
smith
as
well.
You
were
there
and
and
several
responded
that
they
were
busy
and
had
conflicts
of
appointments,
but
he
he
extended
it
to
about
an
hour
and
15
minutes
of,
I
think,
very
good,
interchange
back
and
forth.
Conveying
some
of
the
information
we've
had
with
your
staff,
relaying
it
to
the
people
so
that
they
are
kept
very
informed.
R
S
Thank
you.
Well,
I
hang
out
with
homeless
people
so
you're
in
and
out
of
the
woods,
so
you
know
we
just
came.
We
had
our
big
outreach
day,
but
kind
of
I
want
to
read
part
of
this
to
you,
but
then
I
want
to
speak
to
you
all
in
my
time
that
I
have
with
you.
I
gotta
tell
you.
This
is
one
of
the
best
commission
meetings
I've
been
to
in
a
long
time.
I
got
to
see
one
of
my
former
youth
that
is
now
the
director
of
the
cfx.
Are
you
kidding
me?
S
S
S
We
have
been
serving
the
homeless
throughout
west
orange
county
for
more
than
11
years
now
this
has
included
apopka.
I
am
here
to
introduce
myself
I
haven't
been
out
here
before,
because
quite
honestly,
most
of
what
apopka
has
been
to
us
has
been
coming
to
us
and
we're
changing
a
lot
of
that.
A
lot
of
that
happened
during
covid.
S
We
offer
a
mob.
What
we
did
is
we
end
up
going
mobile
and
we
just
recently
bought
a
second
mobile
pantry,
we'll
be
out
equipped
as
a
mobile,
pantry
clothing
food.
What
have
you
a
medical
team,
warm
food
and
what
have
you
and
also
transportation
back
to
winter
garden?
For
those
who
need
help
with
diversity
of
social
security
cards?
Social
security
benefits
va
benefits
if
they
need
to
see
a
doctor
if
they
need
to
help
talk
about
housing.
We
have
14
trans
transitional
houses
over
there.
S
I
explained
in
that
article
in
that
interview
that
it
would
take
three
to
five
years
for
that
to
hit
the
community
and
it
was
going
to
hit
hard
and
fast.
Then
this
little
thing
called
the
pandemic
hit
us
and
that
accelerated
what
I
said
back
in
2019
to
fruition,
literally
in
two
years
now.
Part
of
this
is
due
to
development.
S
We've
already
seen
it
dramatically,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
unaware
that
the
bulk
of
of
right
now
permits
being
pulled
for
building
of
all
of
orange
county
is
here
in
west
orange
county.
And
if
you
notice
last
week
on
the
news,
we
had
a
bear
sighting
windermere,
we
had
a
bear
sighting
in
oakland.
S
We
had
a
bear
sighting
in
winter
garden,
we
had
a
bear
sighting
in
ocoee,
and
I've
often
said
that
if
you
see
a
home,
if
you
see
a
bear-
or
you
see
a
coyote,
wait,
a
few
minutes
you're
going
to
see
a
homeless
man,
woman
child-
it
wasn't
until
this
year.
2021
in
doing
this
for
20
years
at
11,
is
matthew's
hope
that
we've
ever
seen
someone
sleep
behind
a
building
in
winter
garden
or
ocoee.
S
That
is
not
going
away
and
it's
not
part
of
the
building
plan,
and
so
I
want
to
bring
that
to
your
attention.
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
if
you've
got
any
questions,
I
don't
know
if
I
can
answer
any,
but
I
want
to
know
that
you
know
that
charlene
dewitts
is
here
she's,
my
community
relations
manager
and
outreach
advocate
specialist
and
she
will
be
contacting
each
of
you.
A
Well,
let
me
let
me
tell
you
if
you
get
a
chance
to
go
out
and
see
scott
balooz
his
organization
in
winter
garden.
I
mean
the
guy
knows
what
he's
doing
he's
he's.
He
has
really
got
an
organization
that
that's
as
we
all
talk
about,
it's
the
hand
up,
not
hand
out,
and
he
he
holds
he
holds
him
accountable,
and
so
I
I
was
so
impressed
when
I
went
out
there
to
see
him
and
so
having
him
you
know,
engaged
here
in
apopka
is
is
a
great
thing.
S
And
again,
we
invite
you
out
for,
for
things
and
I'll
share
with
you.
Also
that
we
just
hired
a
doctor.
We
will
now
open
a
medical
office,
we've
already
committed
to
the
square
footage
of
it,
so
we
now
have
13
000
feet
in
our
building
and
we
are
also
gaining
a
property
here
where
the
contract
is
being
written.
Now
that
we're
going
to
build
supportive
housing
for
seniors
and
those
with
low-level
disabilities
that
found
themselves
homeless
and
that's
one
of
the
fastest
growing
populations
we
have
in
west
orange
county
right
now.
S
T
My
entire
house
was
flooded
and
the
reason
this
concerns
me
is
that
it
required
the
flood
waters
to
be
16
to
20
inches
deeper
for
it
to
go
over
my
foundation
walls.
So
I'm
concerned
that
the
the
engineer
who
did
the
study
might
not
have
realized
this,
and
the
information
might
be
slightly
incorrect
that
the
water
was
a
lot
deeper
than
it
was
when
it
came
up
over
the
foundation.
So
his
his
conclusions
might
be
a
little
bit
based
on
incorrect
information.
T
T
and
fortunately
for
most
people,
but
not
for
me,
my
home,
flooded
in
in
2018
when
the
flooding
started
again,
but
the
cost
the
cost
to
make
the
repairs
in
just
my
area
alone
are
much
less
than
it
costs
to
fix.
My
my
house
alone,
so
when
you
add
in
the
additional
costs,
are
involved
in
renting
temporary
housing
for
10
months.
T
And
the
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
ask
the
city
to
do
is
follow
through
on
possibly
installing
the
permanent
pump
there
with
the
monitoring
system
at
lake
hamburg,
so
that
it
would
comply
with
the
permit
issued
by
st
john's.
So
we
could
keep
the
lake
level
at
the.
So
we
can
maintain
the
lake
level
at
the
proper
level
that
that's
specified
by
the
permit,
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
see
when
we
possibly
might
expect
the
work
to
be
done.
U
Good
afternoon
america,
commissioners
tonight
I
came
because
I
want
to
kind
of
maybe
get
more
clarification
on
something
that
happened
at
our
office
condominium.
Previously,
we've
had
a
irrigation
meter
at
our
site.
That's
been
disconnected
for
at
least
three
or
four
years,
and
we
hadn't
had
any
water
consumption,
but
this
past
building
cycle.
We
noticed
that
it
was
increased
by
120
bucks
and
coming
over
talking
with
the
utility
department.
U
They
informed
us
that,
due
to
section,
I
think,
is
78
article
78
of
the
code,
which
really
refers
to
reclaimed
water,
that
each
building
is
being
assessed.
Additional
base
costs
for
the
building
I
mean
for
each
unit,
but
I
guess
our
situation
is.
If
it's
disconnected,
are
we
still
going
to
be
built
for
for
non-use
at
this
point?
Okay,.
J
Yeah,
I
wasn't
aware
rogers
we
can
get
with
you
on
that.
If
you'll
get
with
me
on
that,
I'd
like
to
go
over
that
with
you
and
kind
of
okay
kind
of
find
out,
what's
changed
or
whatever
I
know,
there's
been
some
things.
We've
had
some
a
lot
of
our
meters
have
been
reviewed.
We
have
a
company,
that's
reviewing
our
meters
and
we
found
some
where
we
didn't
have
that
they
weren't
being
built
properly
based
on
units
per
unit
or
whatever,
but
but
if
you'll
get
with
me,
I
can
get
you.
J
U
I
And
just
on
the
public
record,
because
we
we
all
got
the
email
today
right,
a
person
on
the
public
had
submitted
comments.
Our
policies
were
not
reading
them
out
loud,
but
they
wanted
it
submitted
for
the
record
right.
So.
A
A
V
V
Good
evening,
mayor
and
city
commissioners
for
the
record
phil
martinez,
planner,
two
with
the
city's
planning
division,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
final
development
plan
and
platt
for
a
19
lot.
Single
family
subdivision,
known
as
the
hammock
at
rock
springs,
and
this
final
development
plan
of
platt
is
subject
to
the
1993
land
development
code.
V
V
The
development
review
committee
and
planning
commission
recommend
approval
of
the
final
development
plan
at
platte
for
the
hammock.
Iraq
springs
subdivision,
and
the
recommended
motion
for
this
evening
is
to
approve
the
hammock
at
rock
springs,
final
development
plan
and
plaid.
This
concludes
my
presentation
and
the
applicant,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
address
any
questions
that
you
may
have
any
questions
for
phil.
V
The
applicant
and
in
the
city
could
coordinate
during
the
pre-construction
meeting.
Should
they
get
to
this
point,
should
they
get
to
the
point
of
a
pre-construction
meeting
and
we
will
ensure
that
oak
trees
do
not
interfere
with
utilities.
All
right
great
thank.
H
You
phil,
can
you
just
show
me
where
the
35
of
the
passive
35
passive
show
me
that.
V
Yes,
the
applicant
is
proposing
35
of
the
land
area
to
be
open
space,
and
this
consists
of
storm
water,
stormwater
area
in
the
back,
an
open
space
tract
here
to
the
southwest
and
tract
f,
which
is
another
open
space
area
and
there's
two
tracks
at
the
entrance
to
kind
of
buffer
away
from
rock
springs
road.
H
In
in
sections
spread
out,
yes,
yes,
okay
is
that
is
that
part
of
our
land
called
land
code
that
we
can
do
that,
spread
it
out
and
not
be
concentrated.
Yes,.
V
One
can
dedicate
open
space
throughout
the
development.
In
this
case,
the
can.
V
Can
use
a
portion
of
the
storm
water
pod
to
be
dedicated
for
open
space.
P
Q
A
Anybody
from
the
public
wish
to
speak
on
this
matter,
if
not
we'll.
Look
we'll
close.
The
public
hearing
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
final
development
plan
and
plat
approval
at
the
hammock
at
rock
springs
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
smith.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
becker,
all
those
in
favor
all
right
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
easement
agreement
with
duke
energy
pam.
M
Yes,
I'm
here
to
ask
you
to
approve
an
easement
agreement
with
duke
energy
when
the
mid
florida
logistics
park
came
in
one
of
the
properties.
The
dfl5,
also
known
as
the
amazon
property
part
of
their
responsibility,
was
to
do
some
work
on
herman
smith
and
add
a
right
turn
lane
on
general
electric
road
at
orange
avenue
and
part
of
that
project.
We
will
have
to
use
the
city's
parcel.
D
M
A
R
W
Good
evening,
mr
mayor
commissioners,
members
of
the
public
sean
william
apopka
fire
department
last
meeting,
we
had
a
presentation
on
a
proposal
to
relocate
an
air
carrier
helicopter
to
our
current
station.
Four,
we
advise
we'd
bring
forth
that
agreement
in
front
of
you.
You
see
that
agreement.
W
Another
thing
that
was
asked
was:
what
do
we
reach
out
to
the
community
and
the
surrounding
area
in
the
form
of
a
community
meeting
and
to
make
sure
that
we
communicate
our
plan
happy
to
report
that
we
did
such
that?
In
fact,
last
friday
I
went
out
and
knocked
on
numerous
stores
of
businesses
in
that
area
and
had
nothing
but
positive,
very
positive.
W
The
community
there,
oh
my
goodness,
can't
think
right
now,
like
kindergarten
states,
we
actually
relocated.
I'm
sorry.
We
scheduled
that
for
monday
for
based
on
their
rec
request,
they
had
a
previous
engagement.
We
did
meet
with
them
monday
night
and
again
overwhelmingly
positive
response
from
them.
So
this
time
we're
looking
for
approval
to
for
the
city
administration,
to
execute
the
lease
agreement
and
get
this
ball
any
questions.
I
I
mean
the
only
the
only
question
I
had
was:
I
noticed
in
the
contract.
It
was
language
around
rules
and
regulations
beyond
like
reasonable
rules
and
regulations,
as
as
the
landlord
sees
fit.
If
we
so
choose
like
I,
I
was
confused.
Why
that
language
was
in
there
like
what
rules
and
regulations
would
we
enact.
I
There's
two
section
12:
it
just
says:
rules
and
regulations
landlord
may
from
time
to
time,
impose
reasonable
rules
and
regulations
regarding
the
premises,
tenant
its
employees,
agents,
invitees
licensees
shall
comply
with
all
such
rules
and
regulations
for
which
it
has
been
provided
written
notice.
So
I
I
was
just
curious
as
the
spirit
of
that
one,
because
you
know
obviously,
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
the
back
story
from
the
applicant.
I
In
terms
of
you
know,
flight
patterns
and
noise
pollution
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
thought
I'm
in
a
good
spot
regarding
that
is
the
spirit
of
this
item.
12.
Does
that
just
give
us
some
authority
that
if
there
are
some
sound
issues
or
some
unruly
nature
of
their
operations
there,
which
I
don't
anticipate
that
we're
able
to
kind
of
put
some
more
guardrails
around
that
right?.
G
A
A
P
H
W
All
right,
thanks
chief,
I
just
want
to
take
a
quick
moment
again
to
thank
the
team
behind
me
here.
It's
been
an
honor
and
a
pleasure
to
work
with
them
over
the
past
couple
months
to
get
this
resource,
something
we
all
truly
believe
is
going
to
save
lives.
W
So
I'd
like
to
thank
mr
rick
cloud
with
the
air
methods
lift
elizabeth
watkins
with
orlando
health
and
local
government
affairs
and
mike
tolento
chief
fly
medic
with
air
care.
It
has
truly
been
a
group
effort
and
something
we're
very
proud
of
so
yeah
awesome.
Thank.
A
D
H
X
So
I'll
first
show
you
these
two
slides.
The
subdivision
was
originally
designed
and
constructions
constructed,
starting
in
the
early
80s
and
I'll
point
out
that
in
1982
the
saint
that
was
before
the
saint
john's
river
water
management
district
existed.
X
It
was
before
we
had
modern
stormwater
regulations
that
we
have
today
and
actually
my
father
was
a
computer
professor.
I
had
a
trs-80
at
the
time
and
I
could
type
in
it,
but
so
the
software
that
we
use
today
is
is
nothing
like.
It
was
in
the
early
1980s.
X
So
the
next
slide.
This
shows
the
fema
flood
plain
for
lake
hammer
and
that
fema
floodplain
was
adopted
by
fema
in
in
2009,
and
this
is
the
area
where
the
federal
government
believes
if
we
do
get
what's
called
a
100-year
storm
or
a
one
percent
annual
flood
event
that
the
water
and
the
lake
is
going
to
rise
to
the
point
where
it
will
cover
the
land
surface
in
these
areas
in
the
area
shown
here,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
lots
that
are
within
fema's
floodplain
in
the
area.
X
Now
you'll
notice
the
little
purple
dots
on
there
and-
and
you
probably
can't
read
the
text
next
to
the
purple
dots.
But
that's
where
individual
homeowners
have
sent
information
to
fema
about
the
specific
elevation
of
their
home
relative
to
that
one
percent
chance
of
annual
flood
elevation,
and
they
have
demonstrated
and
convinced
fema
that
the
actual
finish
floor
elevation
of
their
home.
Although
it
is
within
the
overall
shaded
blue
flood
plain
area.
Their
specific
home
is,
is
above
that
elevation.
X
So
in
1995
there
was
significant
flooding
in
in
the
area
we
got
enough
rainfall,
so
the
actual
elevation
of
the
lake
rose
almost
to
the
hundred
year
elevation
point
and
as
you
heard
earlier,
in
sheller
oaks,
there
was
55
homes
where
the
water
was
not
only
in
the
front
yard,
but
in
the
backyard
and
in
lake
hammer
estates
there
was
30
home
sites,
lots
where
the
water
rose
and
and
almost
got
up
to
their
their
back
porches
and
their
homes.
X
So
the
flooding
that
occurred,
then
that
is
the
actual
lake
water
rising
to
the
point
of
flooding
in
those
areas,
so
that
wasn't
flooding
that
went
away
in
15
minutes
or
a
day
or
probably
a
week.
It
stayed
there
and
it
stayed
static
there
at
that
elevation
until
until
the
springtime
of
that
year
when
well,
you
know
when
we
got
less
rain
and
then
the
lake
was
able
to
go
back
down
now
as
an
emergency
back
in
early
late,
1995
and
1996.
X
Since
the
hurricane
in
hurricane
irma
in
2017
the
same
summer,
I
came
to
the
work
for
the
city.
X
Rainfall
and
we've
gotten
rainfall
ever
since
this
picture
shows
elevate,
the
water
and
the
streets
in
sheila
oaks
and-
and
the
lady
spoke
earlier,
I
believe-
that's
her
home
there
in
the
background
with
the
with
the
pod
in
the
front
yard,
and
so
what
we've
seen
in
the
summer
july
august
september
primarily
is
when
we
get
really
heavy
rainfall.
X
The
water
will
will
flood
like
this
in
the
streets
during
the
heavy
rainfall
event.
I've
never
actually
personally
seen
it,
but
I
understand
that
the
water
rises
when
we
get
very
heavy
rainfall
and
then
the
lake
recedes
within
10
or
15
minutes
after
the
heavy
rainfall
starts.
So
you
see
the
flood
water
here.
This
is
about
somewhere
around
elevation
84
feet
elevation
84
feet,
while
lake
hammer
is
at
least
five
feet
lower
than
that
which
is
where
this
water
is
draining
to
so
the
it's.
This
isn't
the
lake
coming
up
and
flooding
the
neighborhood.
X
So
what
we
did
late
last
year
early
this
year,
we
got
vhb
on
board
and
bruce
doing.
Is
here
he's
going
to
help
me
answer
some
questions
if
there
are
any
after
my
presentation,
but
we
hired
vhb
to
figure
out.
Why
is
this
subject?
Why
is
the
intersection?
Why
are
two
of
the
intersections
specifically
flooding
a
lot
more
often
than
they
had
before,
and
what's
going
on?
What's
the
problem
with
the
system
so
bruce?
Let
me
know
if
you
want
to
hear
the
engineering
details.
X
He
can
talk
about
all
of
the
data
on
this
slide
for
10
or
15
minutes.
If
you
all
want
to
hear
about
it
generally,
it's
the
rainfall
along
the
bottom,
the
red
vertical
lines
are
now,
and
I
only
sent
bruce,
maybe
a
dozen
of
the
emails
that
included
chains
of
emails.
So
I
didn't
try
to
send
him
every
single
email
that
we'd
gotten
in
the
area,
but
I
wanted
him
to
understand
where
we
were
getting
repeated,
calls
and
emails
about
flooding
of
the
intersection.
X
So
that's
what
the
red
lines
represent
and
then
the
over
to
the
very
far
right
side,
you'll
see
the
purple
line
at
the
top,
so
the
purple
line
at
the
top
represents
the
the
stage
of
of
lake
hammer
and
all
of
those
elevations
are
below
elevation
79..
Now
the
permit
I
told
you
about
that.
We
have
from
st
john's,
doesn't
allow
us
to
pump
the
lake
lower
than
elevation
79..
X
So
you
know
we
we
didn't
know
what
the
problem
was.
So
we
we
pumped
the
lake
lower.
We
actually,
since
we
know
where
the
elevation
is
now
there's
a
chain-link
fence.
That's
in
the
lake
near
the
location
where
we
set
up
the
pump.
So
it's
easy
for
the
the
surrounding
community
and
for
city
staff
to
be
able
to
look
at
the
fence
post
that
was
constructed
when
it
was
extremely
dry
and
the
fence
was
actually
constructed
into
what
is
normally
the
lake.
X
But
it's
it's
easy
to
see
where
the
lake
elevation
is
relative
to
that
last
fence
post
and
you
know
how
much
of
the
fence
post
is
sticking
out
of
the
water.
So
now
that
we
know
we've
been
pumping
lower
than
elevation
79
in
the
past
years.
We
can't
continue
to
do
that.
So
I
anticipate
that
that
fence
post
that
everybody's
looking
at
that
calls
and
says
you
have
to
start
the
pump
up,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
start
it.
X
Okay,
so
the
first
thing
vhb
looked
at
was
since
we
were
pumping
the
lake
lower
and-
and
that
appeared
to
some
that
that
was
that
was
helping
with
the
problem.
X
Vhb's
analysis
included
the
impact
of
the
stage
the
elevation
of
the
lake
relative
to
the
flooding
issue,
so
they
actually
not
only
studied
the
elevation
of
the
lake
at
elevation
79,
but
they
took
the
lake
all
the
way
up
to
elevation
82
to
see
if
they
could,
with
the
computer
models,
see
if
that
was
the
cause
of
the
flooding
and
even
with
the
lake
at
elevation.
82
there's,
what's
called
a
hydraulic
grade
line
which
again
bruce
can
explain
in
detail
if
you
wanted
to.
X
But
it's
it's
it's
an
engineering
analysis
that
we
do
on
on
drainage
pipes
and
and
how
they
drain
into
lakes.
The
hydraulic
grade
line
was
still
the
highest
point
with
the
lake
at
82
the
highest
point.
The
hydraulic
grade
line
got
at
that
intersection
was
82.89
and
the
roadway
is
still
at
it's
above
that
at
84.19,
which
is
above
that
still
so.
The
problem
isn't
that
the
there's
too
much
water
in
the
lake
or
the
lake
level
is
too
high.
That's
not
the
problem,
so
the
next
thing
vhp
looked
at
was
they
said.
X
Well,
if
it's
not
the
lake,
maybe
it's
the
size
of
the
pipes.
Maybe
the
size
of
the
pipes
are
bottlenecking.
The
system
and
the
pipes
are
too
small,
and
so
again,
if
you
want
to
hear
the
engineering
details,
bruce
can
go
on
about
this
slide,
but
suffice
to
say
he
looked
at
the
capacity
of
the
pipes
themselves
and
the
size
of
the
pipes
and
the
number
of
the
pipes
were
not
causing
the
flooding
of
the
intersections.
X
So,
just
to
repeat
it's
not
the
elevation
of
the
lake,
that's
causing
the
problem,
it's
not
the
size
of
the
num
or
the
number
of
inlets,
that's
causing
the
problem.
So
the
third
bullet
there
is
inlet
capacity,
here's
a
picture
of
of
an
inlet,
it's
you
know.
I
say
I've
been
saying
inlet
for
25
years,
so
that's
the
drainage.
X
You
know
whole
drainage,
inlet
where
the
water
goes
in
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill
into
the
slot
and
there's
a
manhole
on
the
back
of
that,
and
so
all
the
water
has
to
get
into
that
that
slot
or
the
opening
of
the
drainage
inlet.
So
the
next
thing
they
looked
at
was
is
that
the
problem.
F
X
This
is
let's
see,
this
is
mill,
run
circle
at
saddleback
ridge
and
they
determined
that
actually,
nine
additional
inlets
were
needed
near
that
intersection.
That
was
flooding.
If
you
drive
through
the
neighborhood
today,
you'll
see
that
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
steep
hills
and
all
the
water
is
directed
to
the
bottom
of
the
hill
and
what
happens
is
all
the
water
just
flows
to
the
bottom
of
the
hill,
and
then
it
gets
bottlenecked.
It
can't
get
through
the
throat
of
the
inlet.
So
it
starts
to
back
up
in
the
roadway.
X
So
at
this
location,
there's
nine
additional
inlets
needed
to
elite
alleviate
the
you
know
the
roadway
flooding
at
those
intersections
and
at
larkwood
drive
at
crossfield
drive.
Five
new
inlets
are
needed
at
that
location.
X
Again,
I
think
was
mentioned
earlier
in
public
comment:
there's
the
fix
to
to
design
or
to
repair
those
inlets
is
179
thousand
dollars.
X
There's
250
thousand
dollars
that
you
have
earmarked
in
the
stormwater
portion
of
the
budget
for
the
sheila
oaks
project.
It
actually
says
the
pump
since
the
price,
since
the
main
problem
isn't
the
water
level
of
the
lake
it
makes
sense
to
to
follow.
Vhp's
recommendation
get
the
inlets
in
the
ground
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
solve
the
problem.
X
Now
we
might
have
some
money
left
over
there
left
over
in
that
budget
line,
and
we
might
ask
for
additional
money
in
future
years
to
go
ahead
and
construct
the
electric
pump
station
that
has
a
float
system
on
it
where,
when
the
lake
does
get
above
elevation
79
the
pump
can
automatically
kick
on.
It's
not
a
big
loud
diesel
pump.
That's
not
intended
to
run
24
hours
a
day
for
weeks
on
end
and
and
then
so
we
can.
We
can
quietly
and
effectively
pump
the
lake
down
in
accordance
with
our
permit.
X
So
that's
the
request
and
I
again
I
have
bruce
doyle
with
bhp
here
with
me
to
answer
questions
about
his
engineering
analysis.
I
know
jeff
weatherford
lives
in
the
neighborhood
there,
since
he
came
with
us
and
maybe
has
can
help.
X
But
I'm
we're
here
to
answer
questions.
If
y'all
haven't
any
questions.
H
No,
I
I
ed,
had
really
gone
into
detail
with
this,
and
I'm
just
excited
to
see
this
happen
for
the
the
residents
that
are
living
with
sandbags
around
their
home.
It's
a
you
know:
it's
not
a
band-aid
fix,
it's
actually
a
solution,
and
if
we
can
work
on
it
now
before
the
season
starts
for
them,
so
that
they
can
start
to
see
that
it
will
help
them
with
the
flooding
in
the
street.
I
think
this
is
a
great
solution.
A
Mr
becker
yeah,
I
just
edward
once
you
kind
of
just
so
everybody
understands
how
the
the
emergency
procurement
works,
because
it's
it
is
a
little
it's
different
than
normal
procurements.
J
Right
and
this
one,
this
one's
similar,
if
you
will
kind
of
think
back
to
when
we
did
it's
on
the
agenda
tonight
on
your
martin
place,
remember
the
problem
we
had
at
martin's
place
and
we
kind
of
did
the
same
thing
where
we
waived
the
procurement
process,
because
it
was
an
emergency
issue
that
related
to
public
safety
and
public
concern.
This
is
the
same
scenario.
J
Normally
we
would
go
out
to
bid
do
a
competitive
bid,
because
this
is
a
big,
pretty
size,
big
size,
construction
project
go
out
to
bid
to
go
through
that
process
that
can
take
anywhere
from
60
90
to
120
days,
depending
on
going
through
that
process.
So
what
we're
doing
here
is
the
policy.
The
procurement
policy
does
allow
the
city
council
to
if
it's
an
emergency,
and
it
has
a
an
impact
on.
You
know
from
a
public
safety
standpoint
that
it
would
this
emergency
you.
J
Could
you
have
the
authority
to
override
that
procurement
process
and
go
through
this
emergency
situation?
Being
that
we
have
the
budgets
already
established
after
the
250
000
that
was
earmarked
for
this
this
project
and
now
that
we
have
a
solution,
it
kind
of
all
goes
hand
in
hand.
So
tonight
you
would
be
basically
exercising
that
authority
to
do
it
as
an
emergency
repair
to
get
a
contractor
on
board
and
get
and
go
ahead
and
take
care
of
this
issue
or
at
least
begin
the
construction
without
having
to
go
through
the
full
competitive
process.
J
I
will
say
mayor
that,
if
you
would
tonight
I'd
like
for
you
to
make
it
not
to
exceed
250
since
that
is
in
the
budget.
Normally,
we
would
come
back
to
you
anyway,
but
I'd
like
for
that
to
be
part
of
the
record
that
we
will,
we
will
go
out.
We
will
get
because
we're
gonna,
I'm
still
gonna,
have
to
get
we're
still
gonna
have
to
get
bids.
I
will.
J
I
will
tell
you
this:
I'm
not
just
going
to
go
to
one
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
my
best
to
get
three
different
ones
from
different
contractors.
If
I
can
we'll
work
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
I
would
like
to
get
three
just
so
we
have
an
idea
of
pricing
because
that
you
know
that
won't
take
too
long,
hopefully
to
get
it,
but
with
cove
and
everything
going
on
too.
Sometimes
it's
difficult
also
to
to
get
those,
but
we'll
do
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
we
do
get
the
best.
J
You
know
the
best
price
that
we
can
in
this
situation,
so
so
the
only
thing
I
would
say
is
that
we'll
waive
the
the
procurement
process
to
do
it
as
emergency
repair,
so
we
can
get
going
and
get
started
right
away.
I
just
would
ask
that
you
not
to
exceed
the
250
000.
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
that
way,
if
I,
if
it
is
if
it
is
above
that
we
would
have
to
come
back
to
you.
A
Okay,
well,
I
just
want
to
a
couple
things:
real,
real,
quick.
I
I
I
know
that
jeff
weatherford,
you
know
we
first
started
talking
about
it.
I
said
you
know,
let's
just
put
the
pump
in.
Why
are
we
going
to
spend
money
on
a
consultant?
Well,
I'm
glad
we
did
because
we'd
had
a
pump
and
we'd
still
have
the
problem.
You
know
a
year
from
now,
so
you
know.
Sometimes
I
think
we
maybe
oops
yeah.
You
always
wonder
whether
we
need
a
consultant
or
do
we
know
what
the
solution
is.
A
This
is
one
that
I
think
we
all
would
would
agree.
That
was
probably
not
the
problem
and
and
now
we've
found
it
out,
and
so
I
think
it's
it's
it's.
You
know
that's
what
our
public
works.
Do
they
do
do
it
well,
as
they
understand
you
know
what,
when
when
we
can,
you
know,
go
right
to
construction
and
when
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
doing
the
right
thing,
and-
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
is-
is
richard
erp?
A
I
don't
know
if
you
know,
but
he
he
goes
out
there
when
all
the
building
goes
on,
to
make
sure
that
they're
at
the
elevation
they're
supposed
to
be,
and
what,
by
doing
that,
making
sure
that
houses
and
in
the
commercial
developments
are
at
grade
above
the
100-year
floodplain.
Is
it
saves
us?
We
get
a
credit
on
if
you
have
to
buy
flood
insurance.
You
get
a
credit
because
of
the
work
that
richard
does
for
the
city
of
apoca.
A
So
I
want
to
give
a
big
shout
out
to
richard
for
what
he
does
for
the
city
and-
and
you
know
you
probably
don't
see
it-
it's
not
a
big
money.
You
know
not
a
lot
of
money,
but
if
you
spread
it
over
20
000,
you
know
parcels
across
the
city.
You
know
it
adds
up
to
a
lot
of
money
and
we
couldn't
we
couldn't
do
it
without
richard's
help.
So
thank
you
richard.
I
appreciate
it.
A
Okay,
I'm
looking
for.
D
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
esmeralda,
I'm
one
of
the
neighbors
that
lives
in
schiller
oak,
subdivision,
yeah.
One
of
the
questions
that
we
had
is.
I
know
that
the
drainage
study
said
that
you
know
they.
I
guess
it
didn't,
make
a
difference
if
to
pump
or
not
to
pump.
So
what
are
we
saying?
Are
we
gonna
continue
to
pump
the
lake,
because
that
is
a
still
a
concern?
It
is
you
know
under
you,
do
have
a
permit
and
you
are
mandated
to
pump
the
lake.
A
O
O
As
79
right,
the
79
elevation
level,
but
the
concern
that
we
had,
I,
in
my
opinion,
or
well,
not
my
opinion,
but
from
what
I
saw
in
the
report,
there
were
some
errors
in
the
report
because
in
august
2020
the
city
had
stopped
pumping
for
about
a
month
and
that's
why
we
almost
got
flooded
again
in
august
2020.
So
I
believe
that
not
pumping
the
lake.
I
think
it
has
something
to
do
with
some
of
the
flooding
that
we
have
been
experiencing
because
it
has
not
just
been
on
my
neighbor's
road.
O
Y
Y
My
name
is
bruce
toy.
I
work
for
vhp
the
author
of
the
report,
the
fact
that
larkwood
also
floods
and
it
is
30
feet
above
the
other
intersection
problem.
It
shows
that
the
problem
is
the
water
trying
to
get
into
these
inlets.
Y
Y
Is
there
for
extreme
flooding
events
when
the
lake
gets
above
79,
but
from
from
the
data
I
saw,
you
were
flooding
this
this
past
summer
in
2020,
when
the
lake
was
under
79
right
from
from
from
that,
I
was
given
so
this
solution,
that
of
of
creating
more
avenues
for
the
water
to
get
off
the
road
and
underground
and
get
going
works
for
the
intense
summer
storms
that
happen
more
frequently.
Y
The
pump
works,
maybe
for
a
hurricane
situation
when
the
lake
is
above
more
sun
than
that,
so
the
pump
will
solve
different
things,
but
the
the
more
frequent
occurring
summer,
storm
that
was
solid,
be
solved
by
these
animals.
Y
Y
A
Q
A
A
Z
Y
No,
I
I
heard
what
you
said
in
the
comment
and
I
and
I
and
I
was
thinking
about
it.
We
recreated
in
a
model
that
the
flooding
so
so,
whether
you're
it
had
no
bearing
on
my
study,
whether
it's
the
garage
that
floods
or
whether
the
house,
the
floods,
no.
Z
Y
What's
going
to
happen
with
the
solution,
you're
flooding,
so
so
we're
trying
to
fix
that
and-
and
like
I
said
your
house
is-
is
only
0.7
feet
above
where
the
water
gets
out
at
the
moment.
So.
Y
Y
Having
especially
since,
since
all
all
reports
indicate
that
it
recedes
very
very
fast
after
you
know,
if
the
lake,
if,
if
the
lake
was
the
problem,
your
flooding
problem
would
last
days
weeks
months,.
Y
Both
of
both
of
your
problems
are
on
the
surface
of
the
road.
The
water
doesn't
get
off
the
road.
F
Y
It
also
shows
the
inefficiency
of
the
pump
throwing
the
money
and
the
cross
at
the
pump.
It's
not
it's,
not
reducing
the
lake
fast
enough.
Okay,
but
like,
like,
I
said
your
immediate
problem
for
the
afternoon.
Storms
that
are
so
strong
is
to
get
the
water
off
the
road.
A
We
will
let
you
know
as
soon
as
we
get
some
conduit,
we
get
until
we
get
three
contracts.
We
would
like
to
get
three
people
to
at
least
been
on
the
project,
but
you
will
you'll
be
the
first
to
know.
I
promise
you
okay
great.
Thank
you
all
right
with
that.
Look
for
a
motion
to
authorize
the
city
administrator
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
contractor
to
construct
the
recommended
drainage
improvements
under
the
emergency
procurement
policy
up
to
250
thousand
dollars.
So
mood
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
smith.
A
J
Yes,
mayor,
so
staff
has
asked
for
this
item
to
be
moved
under
business,
because
we
have
a
request
that
we
would
like
for
you
to
make
before
we
actually
approve
this
this
or
award
this
bid.
So
staff
is
requesting
that
the
recommendation
of
the
award
for
rfq
2021-05,
the
pavement
condition
assessment,
be
postponed
to
the
next
scheduled
city
council
meeting
of
june,
2nd
2021.
J
The
purchasing
policy
allows
the
city
council
to
waive
all
or
specific
provisions
of
the
purchasing
policy,
as
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city.
This
extension
will
allow
for
a
72-hour
bid
period,
bid
protest
period,
submittal
time
to
begin
tuesday.
The
18th
and
conclude
by
this
friday
may
21st
2021,
thus
permitting
for
the
submittal
and
resolution
of
a
bid
protest
before
the
next
city
council
meeting
of
june,
2nd
2021.
J
J
They
can
protest,
we'll
take
that
protest
up,
and
then
we
will
bring
this
item
back
to
you
after
we
have
vetted
all
of
that
and
gone
through
all
that
process
to
give
that
that
opportunity
and
bring
that
back
to
you
on
the
june,
2nd
with
that
resolution
and
and
the
recommendation
of
the
staff
for
this
award
any
questions.
J
Going
to
protest,
we
think
we
have
somebody
who
will
file
one,
that
it
was
a
little
unclear.
They
didn't
the
process
of
filing
the
bid,
didn't
get
the
bid
in
didn't
get
the
protest
in
we
had
someone
contact
us
reach
out
to
us
that
kind
of
was
waiting
for
us
to
respond
for
some
data
or
information.
You
know
they
have
a
duty
as
a
bidder.
They
have
to
protest
within
that
bid
period,
and
so
because
we
kind
of
they
were
it's
kind
of
a
we
didn't.
J
They
were
asking
for
information
from
us
kind
of
got
mixed
up.
You
know
giving
them
the
opportunity
to
to
get
this
information
or
kind
of
help
them
a
little
bit
more.
We
have
decided
to
extend
that
and
allow
them
that
opportunity
so
that
we
can.
They
can
have
that
period
because
really
the
72-hour
desire
has
already
stopped
their
their
concerns.
Are
we
called
staff?
We
wanted
some
information,
I'm
not
and
michael,
can
expand,
but
we're
not
really
in
the
obligation
to
have
to
give
you
anything.
J
You
know
the
process
and
you
should
have
to
you
know
you
have
to
do
within
your
bid
period,
but
because
there
was
they
called
for
clarification.
They
called
for
information
from
us.
They
didn't
get
that
within
that
72-hour
period.
We're
extending
that
to
allow
them
to
do
this.
Michael
you've
got
something
you
want.
G
G
G
In
order
to
to
allow
the
the
bidder
to
file
a
pro
to
to
file
a
protest,
it
has
to
be
a
justified
written
protest,
it'll
be
examined,
and
then
the
the
rules
will
state
that
the
administrator
can
review
it
and
either
deny
or
accept
the
protest.
But
because
of
the
communication
breakdown,
we
felt
it
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
that
the
council
exercised
its
authority
under
the
procurement
code
to
extend
the
bid
to
to
waive
the
required
to
waive
those
requirements.
G
The
rule,
the
the
statement
from
that
is
provided
with
the
bid
package
states
that
you
can
contact
the
finance
department
for
a
copy
of
the
procurement
policies.
He
contacted
the
finance
department.
The
finance
department
did
not
return.
The
call
one
of
the
members
was
out,
so
that's
that's
where
he
had
the
breakdown,
so
it's
in
the
best
interest
to
avoid
complications
that
we
in
this
instance
that
the
procedures
are
waived
in
order
to
allow
this
process
to
to
go
forward,
because
in
the
future,
every
when
it
comes
to
a
bid.
G
I
think
the
paul,
the
the
practice
of
finance
department
should
be
to
include
the
procurement
policy
so
that
the
bidders
have
it
with
them
when
they,
when
they
receive
a
bid
packet
or
a
packet
to
to
bid.
So,
therefore,
we
don't
have
this
issue
or
our
procurement
policies
placed
online,
so
it's
readily
available
for
everybody
to
read.
I
think
that
the
breakdown
is
that
he
requires.
He
called
the
the
what
finance
hands
out
says.
G
I
Sorry
for
asking
detailed
questions,
and
so
if
we
open,
if
we
extend
it,
that
applicant
decides
to
file
a
grievance
and
you
all
entertain
that
do.
Does
that
reevaluate
all
of
the
people
that
submitted
stuff
during
the
rfp
process.
How
does
that
work.
G
No
it'd
be
what
we,
what
you've,
what
we've
done
is
we've
just
set
the
new
time
for
that
clock
to
begin.
So
yes,
at
that
point,
when,
when
a
bid
is
submitted
pursuant
to
our
procedure
policies,
the
the
actual
procurement
clock
stops
under
the
code.
The
administrator
has
the
city
administrator
has
a
finite
amount
of
time
to
make
a
decision.
The
request
that's
being
made
today
is
actually
to
one
extend
the
time
and
also,
secondly,
to
shorten
the
time
for
the
administrator
to
render
a
decision
under
the
policy
under
the
procedures.
G
Therefore,
we
it
it
provides
the
extra
time
yet
it
won't
necessarily
overly
delay
the
entire
procurement
process
and
allowing
the
process
to
to
work
its
way.
Now,
at
the
end
of
business
day,
friday
no
protest
is
filed.
Then
we
proceed
forward
and
we
move
this
for
then
the
final
award
to
be
handed
out
in
the
june
second
city
council
meeting.
H
G
G
If
there,
if,
if
there
are
other,
I
because
of
this
glitch-
let's
let's
call
it
that
I
mean
this-
is
the
one
person
who
did
contact
finance
within
it
with
the
express
intent
to
file
a
bid
protest,
but
he
but
failed
to
do
so,
did
not
did
not
file
it
within
that
72
hour
window.
So
but
it's
not
explicitly
allowed
the
pers.
The
extension
does
not
explicitly
apply
to
just
this
one
applicant.
The
bid
win.
The
protest
window
is
now
open
until
end
of
business
friday.
G
A
G
J
G
It's
not
just
that
that
one
person
is
the
only
one
it
doesn't
allow
just
the
one
person
to
get
extended.
It
means
that
the
bid
protest
protest
is
extended,
but
not
not
new
bids
right.
No
new
bids,
you
can't
new.
The
other
bidders
cannot
now
submit
supplemental
information
to
try
to
strengthen
their
bids.
No,
it's
the
bid.
It's
done.
This
is
a
big
protest
where
you
believe
that
you
should
have
been
the
rightful
winner
of
the
bid
and
you
you
file
your
your
protest.
J
J
I
just
want
to
make
one
other
comment
to
help.
Confusion
in
the
future.
Finance
purchasing
have
they're
going
to
add
a
clause
to
our
bids,
going
forward,
they're
pretty
much
state
that
will
actually
will
state
that
period.
What
period
how
you
have
the
72
hours,
even
though
it's
in
our
purchasing
policy,
it
will
now
be
part
of
that
document
so
that
when
anybody
gets
that
document
they
have
it
there's
no
excuses
that
they
don't
that
nobody
has
that
that
clause,
so
that
clause
will
be.
C
F
J
A
J
Yeah,
so
so
we're
requesting
that
to,
I
guess,
ratify
the
administrative
decision
to
extend
the
protest
period
and
then
waive
all
provisions
of
the
purchasing
policy
for
the
extension
to
go
for
from
tuesday
may
18th
to
friday
may
21st
2021
and
I
think
that's
fine.
That's
like.
J
Will
be,
the
final
bid
will
be
june
june,
2nd
2021
it'll
come
back
right.
G
Now
and
the
modification,
because
they're
the
under
the
bid
protest
rules,
there's
two
clauses.
One
is
that
there
there's
a
72-hour
window
to
file
the
bid
to
your
bid
protest
and
then
once
a
protest
is
received
under
the
policy,
the
city
administrator
has
10
days
to
render
a
decision.
The
other
modification
would
be
if
the
protest
is
received
prior
to
the
end
of
close
of
business
on
friday.
The
city
administrator
then,
has
five
business
days
to
render
his
written
decision
on
the
on
the
protest
so
that
this
doesn't
drag
on
beyond
june,
2nd.
Okay,.
G
A
AB
There
are
no
changes
to
the
last
presentation.
Staff
is
requesting
council
to
make
four
motions
number
one
is
their
dot
ordinance
number
2828
number
two
is
to
approve
the
pd
master
plan.
Major
development
plan.
Number
three
is
approve
the
development
agreement,
which
addresses
how
public
facilities
are
provided
to
the
development
and
number
four
is
to
provide
approve
the
pd
agreement,
which
is
required
for
the
land
development
code,
and
it's
for
the
establishment
of
the
pd
zoning
district.
A
B
L
AA
F
A
P
A
F
AA
Ordinance
number
28
31
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka,
designating
the
future
land
use
map
to
mixed
use
for
a
portion
of
certain
real
property,
generally
located
east
of
state
road,
429
and
south
of
peterson
road
and
west
of
grand
avian
parkway
owned
by
pmdw
ventures.
Llc
comprising
9.84
acres,
more
or
less
providing
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
date.
A
V
I
F
A
F
F
AA
Ordinance
number
2824,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
element
of
the
apopka
comprehensive
plan
of
the
city
of
apopka.
Changing
the
future
land
use,
designation
from
residential,
very
low,
suburban
to
industrial
for
certain
real
property
generally
located
south
of
hogshead
road
and
west
of
hermit
smith.
Road
owned
by
nancy
mann
trust
comprising
78.99,
acres,
more
or
less,
providing
several
for
severability
and
for
an
effective
date.
AC
The
drc
and
planning
commission
recommended
transmittal
of
the
change
in
future
land
use,
and
the
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading
of
ordinance
number
2824
and
authorized
transmittal
to
the
florida
department
of
economic
opportunity.
Staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
Okay,.
A
F
A
F
AA
Ordinance
number
2825,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
apopka
florida,
changing
the
zoning
from
rsf-1a
single
family
residential
single-family
estate
district
to
il
light
industrial
district
for
certain
real
property
located
south
of
hogshead,
road
and
west
of
hermit
smith.
Road
comprising
78.998,
acres,
more
or
less
and
owned
by
nancy
mann,
trust
providing
for
severability
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
AC
The
applicant
is
requesting
to
rezone
the
said
property
from
rsf-1a
to
il
the
proposed
il
zoning
is
compatible
with
the
property.
Due
to
the
il
zoning
being
found
in
the
vicinity,
drc
recommended
approval,
planning
commission
recommended
approval,
so
the
recommended
motion
is
to
accept
the
first
reading.
49's
ordinance
number
2825
and
hold
it
over
for
second
reading
and
adoption
at
a
future
date.
Staff
and
applicant
are
available
for
questions.
A
AC
I
One
of
those
situations
right
where
our
zoning
and
land
use
change
actually
gives
us
it's
a
positive
news
story
in
terms
of
of
school
capacity
right,
because
we
would
have
had
encumbrances.
AC
AC
AC
A
E
AD
Maverick
city
staff,
what
you
have
before
you
is
the
resolution
entire
thing,
the
final
rate
on
these
this
at
this
meeting,
there's
five
of
them
and
they
will
be
adopted
and
transmitted
to
the
tax
collector.
The
first
one
I'll
allow
the
clerk
to
read
and
then
set
them
out.
A
Okay,
any
questions
for
chuck
anybody
from
public.
We
should
speak
on
this
matter.
Not
we
look
for
a
motion
to
approve
resolution.
Number
2021-14
so
got
a
motion
by
commissioner
velasquez.
Second,
second
by
commissioner
bankston,
all
those
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
next
up
resolution.
A
AD
For
the
record,
this
is
for
bridal
bridal
path
and
the
assessment
amount
is
for
188
dollars
per
year.
A
A
H
AC
AC
A
AD
Jeff
for
the
record,
this
is
for
the
residents
at
emerson
park.
The
assessment
rate
is
established
at
a
71
dollars
per
parcel
per
year.
A
H
AD
AD
A
AD
A
C
C
This
budget
amendment
includes
changes
in
funding
and
appropriations
related
to
the
city's
health
insurance
provider
with
public
risk
management.
The
funds
are
for
programs
and
items
to
increase
the
overall
health
and
welfare
of
city
employees.
This
amendment
will
assign
funds
to
the
police
department
to
replace
fitness
equipment
in
the
city
gym
and
we
already
receive
those
funds.
C
The
second
one
included
in
this
amendment
is
sixteen
thousand
dollars,
and
this
amendment
includes
changes
in
revenues
and
appropriations
to
recognize
the
funds
received
by
developers
to
improve
our
scada
system
in
our
lift
stations.
The
developers
provide
the
funding
in
advance
and
the
city
makes
the
improvements.
A
X
H
Other
than
you
know,
we
enjoyed
saturday
sentence.
What
do.
H
Two
left
I've
been
going
faithfully
and
so
have
you
and
so
here's
your
mom,
I
have
to
say
your
mom.
F
H
And,
and
actually
today
I
mean
I'm
glad
that
we
had
that
presentation
from
cfx
this
morning.
I
was
kind
of
invited
at
the
last
minute
and
I
I
go
anywhere
you
invite
me
I
go
and
if
you're
driving
it's
even
better,
so
I
went
and
I
saw
the
unveiling
of
the
depot
for
the
bright
line,
and
that
was
really
impressive.
I
mean
there
were
you
know
there
must
have
been
about
500
people
there
and,
of
course,
all
the
partners
that
were
involved.
H
So
it
was
a
very
interesting
presentation
and
I'm
really
excited
about
the
bright
line
becoming
a
reality,
because
it
will
be
taking
massive.
You
know,
instead
of
driving
the
florida
turnpike,
you
can
actually
take
the
train
all
the
way
down
to
west
palm,
so
so
that
that's
it
for
me
right
now,
okay,
mr
benson.
P
I
thought
we
had
a
tremendous
mayor's
prayer
breakfast
and
a
real
first
coming
together
as
a
community,
and
I
thought
it
was
tremendous
on
all
rounds.
A
You
had
two
two
elected
officials
reach
out
to
me
and
just
just
amazed
how
how
professional,
how
you
know
uplifting
the
whole
service
was
so
congratulations,
pastor,
banks
putting
that
together.
Mr.
B
Smith,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
attended
two
of
the
sessions
of
the
diversity
inclusion
workshops,
they've
been
very,
very
beneficial,
and
it's
just
been
noted
that
we
should
have
had
more
city
employees
attending
the
workshop
would
have
been
great.
There's
three
sessions
left
and
I'll
be
presenting
at
session
four.
I
don't
know
what
I'm
going
to
say,
but
anyway
I'll
be
presenting.
F
B
Also,
I
have
two
other
events.
That's
coming
up
on
june
5th,
I'm
having
a
mentor
to
ownership
workshop,
some
financial
planning
workshop
that
I'll
be
having
on
june
5th
and
then
on
the
june
28th.
I
will
be
having
a
workshop
workshop
series.
It's
gonna
be
three
of
them.
It's
gonna
be
economic
empowerment
through
employability
that
I
will
be
doing
in
conjunction
with
lg.
R
B
Consulting
group
and
that
will
be
taking
place
at
the
billy
dean
community
center
and
so
there'll
be
three
sessions
of
those
workshops.
B
That
was
kind
of
tomorrow
night
at
6,
30
we'll
be
reading
the
proclamation
from
the
city
recognizing
may
20th
as
a
florida
emancipation
day
at
6
30
here
on
the
steps
of
city
hall,
and
so
the
public
is
invited
to
attend
great.
Thank
you.
I
So
my
apologies
in
advance,
then,
because
my
daughter's
chorus
concert
is
tomorrow
night
at
6,
30,
so
I'll,
be
there
in
spirit
I'll
pass
this
out,
because
I
have
a
short
presentation
on
the
topic
that
I'd
like
to
discuss
from
approach
and
I'll
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
people
here
to
hear
about
the
updates
and
the
mayor's
report
around
rock
springs,
rich,
so
I'll,
try
and
make
this
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
You
know
it's
my
understanding
that
we've
got
yet
another
dollar
type
store
coming
in
through
the
through
the
works
in
terms
of
the
drc
process
and
and
location-wise
it's
going
almost
directly
next
to
another.
Existing
dollar
store
that
we
already
have
here
in
the
city
of
apopka
and
rock
springs
road,
and
so
I
wanted
to
approach
the
topic
again
because
I've
brought
it
up
several
times
and
you
see
certain
cities
across
the
country
that
are
addressing
this
issue,
and
I
do
call
it
an
issue
because
it
is
one.
I
But
you
know
when
you
just
look
at
you
know
the
small
box
I'll
call
it
small
box
discount
retail,
basically
what
we
call
dollar
stores
it's
an
industry
right
now,
that's
growing
rapidly
counts
wise
in
the
u.s,
it's
grown,
50
percent.
It's
was
about
10
years
ago
it
was
20
000
stores
nationwide.
I
That
number
alone
is
enough
to
outnumber
the
amount
of
mcdonald's
and
starbucks
we
have
in
that
in
our
country,
so
that
should
put
something
in
perspective
and
they're
very
bullish
on
their
growth
model.
Dollar
general
is
aiming
to
put
another
thousand
in
the
system
this
year
alone
and
they
have
not
been
impacted
by
covid,
they're,
actually
thriving
and
in
fact
my
third
bullet
point.
There
is
they're
leading
the
expansion
in
terms
of
retail,
brick
and
mortar
locations.
I
The
dollar
stores
themselves
historically
target
low-income
communities
in
which
to
expand
and
that's
what
they
make.
You
know,
that's
that's
how
they
make
their
money.
They
go
into.
These
low-income
communities
and
people
within
these
communities
think
that
they're
satisfying
the
need,
but
the
long-term
impacts
both
from
a
health
perspective
from
a
food
option
perspective.
I
Only
five
percent
they're
the
largest-
and
I
don't
think
dollar
tree
or
family
dollar,
even
offer
that
if
they
do
it's
less
than
five
percent
of
their
total
footprint,
so
that's
just
it
in
a
snapshot.
If
you
look
at
it
from
the
city
of
apopka,
our
current
counts,
the
city
itself
has
12
and
how
that
breaks
out.
We
have
four
dollar
generals
for
family
dollar,
which
is
now
subsidiary
of
dollar.
Tree
dollar
tree
is
the
bearing
company.
I
They
acquired
them
back
in
2015.,
so
family
dollar
has
four
dollar
treehouse
too,
and
there's
other
off
brands
here
in
the
city
of
apopka.
That
represent
another
two.
If
you
factor
in
the
immediate
surrounding
area
like
zellwood
or
south
of
us,
going
towards
ocoee,
you
know
you've
got
probably
16
to
20
in
this
immediate
vicinity,
and
so
what
that
does
is
it
causes
me
concern?
I
I
You
would
think
that
you
know
12
in
the
city
of
apopka.
We've
got
30
somewhat
square
miles.
You
think
12
may
not
be
that
big
of
an
issue,
but
what
typically
is
happening
is
that
you
have
this
high
concentration
of
these
types
of
stores
and
all
this
high
concentration
then
deters
other
small
grocers
other
big
box
retailers
that
people
want,
because
it
has
more
the
food
options
or
fresh
fruit
options.
It
kind
of
causes
them
not
to
go
in
these
particular
areas.
I
I
don't
believe,
according
to
the
most
recent
directory,
that's
available
on
the
chambers
website
that
they
have
chamber
representation,
so
I
don't
see
how
they
they
would
give
back
to
the
community
like
say
a
publix
does
or
say
like
some
of
our
other
corporate
sponsors.
Like
advent
health,
I
mean
you
can't
use
the
size
of
a
company
to
say
that
we
just
want
to
invest
in
our
communities
in
which
we
serve
them.
So
I
don't
see
an
overwhelming
economic
impact
on
the
positive
side
that
these
bring.
I
When
you
have
such
high
concentrations
of
them,
I
in
fact
believe
that
it
has
the
adverse
effect
they
target,
like.
I
said
before,
depressed
areas
and-
and
I
think
that
causes
them
to
be
in
a
perpetual
state
of
depression,
because
people
have
the
mindset
that
they're
going
to
these
these
stores
to
get
a
better
deal,
maybe
household
goods
or
food
items
that
are
are
lowering
lowering
costs,
which
is,
in
fact
true.
I
But
if
you
look
at
the
volume
or
the
the
price
per
unit
or
price
per
volume
of
those
purchases,
you
could
buy
a
20-ounce
package
of
ketchup
at
a
dollar
general
for
a
buck
and
go
to
you
know
the
grocery
store
and
get
something
the
higher
volume
higher
cost,
but
the
per
unit
cost
is
lower
at
the
grocery
store
than
it
is
at
the
dollar
discount
store
and
then,
of
course,
the
health
concerns.
I
A
lot
of
these
places
either
go
to
perpetuate
a
food
desert
of
sorts,
meaning,
accessible,
accessibility
to
fresh
foods
or
produce
of
greater
than
a
mile
away
from
your
residence
either
they
they
go
to
perpetuate
that
or
they
cause
it
to
happen
and
for
the
most
part,
like
I
said
on
the
first
slide,
only
five
percent
of
dollar
generals
even
offer
produce
out
of
the
in
the
state
of
florida.
We
have
938
dollar
generals
to
put
it
in
perspective,
they
they
sell
for
the
most
part,
high
calorie,
highly
processed
foods
chips.
I
You
know,
crackers,
you
know
things
like
things
like
that
and
it
discourages
normal
grocers
from
providing
healthier
or
fresh
food
options
in
those
nearby
areas.
I
But
I
think
there's
some
policy
considerations
that
we
should
explore
and
I
don't
think
I'm
saying
a
total
ban
on
those
types
of
establishments,
but
I
think
that
there's
smart
ways
to
plan
for
their
their
growth
in
this
region
if
it's
planned,
which
what
nothing
would
suggest
that
it's
not,
but
for
us
to
make
some
policy
considerations
around
that
there
and
it's
twofold,
one
of
which
is
to
further
classify
our
retailer
or
grocer
classifications,
to
create
this
small
box
discount
retailer.
That's
a
that's
an
industry
classification
that
dollar
general
themselves
label
themselves
in.
I
So
I
don't
think
it's
a
stretch
to
make
that
classification
and
we
can
further
define
our
grocer
cal
classifications
by
their
square
footage
of
the
establishment,
the
food
offering
percentage
to
say,
potentially
how
much
produce
do
they
offer
or
how
much
fresh
food
do
they
have
accessible
to
their
clients
so
that
we
have
some.
You.
D
I
Bifurcation
between
a
grocery
store,
a
convenience
store
and
nowhere
in
between
and
then
create
some
level
of
buffer
requirements.
Like
I
said,
the
problem
is
this
high
concentration?
If
this
one
goes
through
the
drc
process,
you're
going
to
have
family
dollar
just
south
of
welch
road,
you
have
dollar
general
right
across
the
street
from
bubbaloos,
and
then
this
I
don't
know
what
brand
it
is.
I
It's
potentially
to
come
in
here,
but
you're
gonna
have
three
within
less
than
a
probably
a
quarter
mile
from
each
other
and
to
create
buffer
requirements,
whereas
new
establishments
on
that
classification
would
have
some
mileage
in
between
life-size
classifications
and
that's
up
for
debate
or
interpretation.
I've
seen
one
mile
I've
seen
two
miles.
Birmingham,
I
think,
has
a
a
one
mile
buffer
and
there's
a
whole
laundry
list
of
other
cities
that
have
explored
this
topic
and
I
think
it's
a
valid
one
to
explore.
I
So
my
ask
you
know,
first
and
foremost,
is
just
to
kind
of
tell
my
fellow
council
where
my
head
is
at
on
this
matter
and
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
ask
staff
to
based
off
of
what
I
have
here.
I
We
had
just
approved
plans
for
a
small
grocery
store
to
open
up
there,
dollar
general
came
in
and
that
local
business
was
impacted
and
the
only
retail,
brick
and
mortar
establishment
that
has
opened
during
my
time
on
council.
Really,
I
think,
is
the
dollar
general
when
you
think
about
stand-alone
brick-and-mortar
locations.
I
Q
A
F
B
And
because
I've
said
it
before,
I
think
we
have
enough
dollar
store
dollar
general
dollar
trees,
whatever
they
want
to
call
themselves
and,
as
commissioner
rebecca
said,
that
they
do
not
reinvest
in
the
community.
B
When
we
had
the
debate
about
the
family
owned
business
that
had
been
approved
to
build
a
store
here
and
dollar
general
came
in
and
overpowered
them,
they
made
a
commitment
when
they
were
here
that
they
were
going
to
reinvest
in
the
community.
That
was
going
to
do
all
this,
and
none
of
that
has
happened
not
one
iota,
and
so
I
support
it.
P
G
There
are
numerous
cities
around
the
country
that
have
imposed
distance
requirements
as
long
as
those
distance
requirements
are
based
on
a
rat
that
there's
a
rational
basis
for
such.
Then
I
mean
it's
it's
something
that
can
be
defensible
under
under
zoning.
F
H
Ask
this
question
of
ed.
Remember
I
think
I
asked
you,
how
is
it
that
we
have
cities
like
windermere
and
that
don't
allow
these
type
of
stores
in
their
community?
And
you
know
what
do
they
have
in
in
their
codes
or
lan
codes,
or
you
know
for
retail
that
they
don't
allow
this
type
of
store
to
come
into
their
community?
Well,.
G
It
depends
on
what
the
how
their
codes
are,
written
and
and
when
they
were
written,
local
governments
can
make
justifications
to
prohibit
certain
uses
and
they're.
Just
not
the
zoning
will
not
allow
them
just
on
a
personal
basis.
In
my
experience,
coming
from
south
florida
city
of
boca
raton
actually
prohibits
auto
dealerships.
There
are
no
auto
dealerships
in
the
city
of
boca
raton.
G
You
actually
cross
right
over
to
the
next
city,
delray
beach
and
in
one
block
right
after
the
city
limits,
you
hit
eight
straight
car
dealerships,
but
but
cities
can
regulate
certain
uses
or
not
permit
them
in
zoning.
Now
the
question
is
at
this
point,
because
that
use
exists
in
this
city.
We
can't
just
we
can
prohibit
any
new
uses
by
defining
in
such
a
way
and
saying
that's
not
a
permitted
use.
G
However,
those
existing
uses
within
the
city
do
become
non-conforming
uses
and
what
you
end
up
is
just
waiting
for
them
to
basically
deteriorate
and
leave
over
over
time,
which
is
the
intent
of
creating
a
non-conforming
use,
but
you
can't
now
ban
it
and
then
tell
those
folks,
okay
pack
up
and
hit
hit
the
road
you're.
No
longer
permitted
in
the
city,
those
they
can
remain
just
they'll
just
become
non-conforming
uses.
H
Okay,
well,
I
do
support
what
commissioner
becker
is
asking
of
our
staff
is
to
to
not.
We
can't
limit
them.
We
can't,
like
you
say
we
can't
say
they
can't
build
here,
but
we
certainly
can
have
something
in
place
that
says
that
shouldn't
be
side
by
side,
because
literally
I
know
the
where
they
want
to
build
this
new
one
is
literally
on
the
side
right
next
to
dollar
general,
and
so
you
know
it
just.
G
Right
in
these,
in
such
a
case
like
this,
just
by
comparing
certain
like
planned
commercial
developments,
where
a
shopping
center
can
dictate
that
certain
tenants
shall
not
have
any
competition.
However,
most
of
these
are
on
single
par
single
lots.
Don't
have
any
of
their
own
regular
types
of
non-compete
provisions
within
their
own
leases
or
within
such
a
planned
development
that
that
you
don't
end
up
with
that,
like
publix,
prohibits,
there's
another
supermarket
to
be
within
a
certain
distance
of
it
or
within
certain
planned
commercial
developments.
G
The
the
the
plan,
the
you
know,
you
can
actually
explain
the
pd
that
you
cannot
have
any
other
uses.
I
think
walmart
is
also
has
very
restrictive
guidelines
as
to
who
they
allow
within
their
the
centers,
where
they
actually
walmart
actually
owns
most
of
their
own
properties
and
they
restrict
who
can
be
within
a
certain
distance
of
a
walmart.
G
However,
this
type
of
a
use,
small
site-
and
I
mean
they're
prolific,
unfortunately,
with
a
use
like
this
they're
really
driven
by
the
market
and
they
go
where,
where
they
see
a
market,
so
so
such
any
any
type
of
we
will
have
staff.
Do
a
review
and
make
sure
that
we
can
come
up
with
a
with
a
a
thorough
study
as
to
what
would
be
the
the
proper
mechanisms
to
properly
regulate
this
and
not
run
afoul
of
any
of
property
rights
that
these
uses
do
possess.
F
H
J
So
I
just
have
a
couple
items.
I
guess
the
first
item.
Let
me
give
you
we
have
set
the
budget.
I
have
coordinated
with
all
of
you
and
met
with
all
of
you
to
set
the
budget
dates,
so
I
want
to
announce
those
publicly
for
the
public,
so
our
fy
22
budget
workshops
will
be
july.
19Th
at
five
o'clock
july
20th
at
five
o'clock
and
july
21st
at
five
o'clock
will
be
the
workshops
on
july
21st
that
same
evening,
so
at
five
o'clock
will
be
the
workshop
at
seven
o'clock.
J
J
J
And
that
the
budget
hearings,
the
tentative
budget
hearing,
will
be
september
8th
that
same
day
has
to
take
place
after
five
o'clock,
so
it'll
be
5
15
on
september
the
8th
and
then
the
final
hearing
will
be
on
september,
the
15th
at
six
o'clock
and
then
that
same
day
september.
The
15th
is
your
regular
scheduled
city
council
meeting
at
seven
o'clock.
J
J
J
J
Yeah
we
need
to
do
that,
and
you
know
what
people
write
if
you'll
jot
this
down
too
the
cra
meeting
we
usually
hold
it
on
the
so
it'll
be
on
the
18th
of
august.
That
coincides
with
last
year,
but
that's
a
council
meeting
date
too.
So
it
should
be
fine
with
your
calendars.
You
usually
do
it
at
six
o'clock
before
the
seven
o'clock
regular
council
meeting
so
that'll
be
your
cra
budget
meeting
august.
The
18th.
J
The
only
other
thing
I
have
a
couple,
quick
things
too,
so
we
got
word
our
rescue
dollars.
That
are
that
you
know,
are
our
federal
dollars.
You
remember,
if
you
recall,
our
first
number
was
22
million
that
we
were
given.
It
is
now
the
number
that
the
u.s
treasury
is
telling
us
is
7
million,
so
we're
doing
research
we're
trying
to
find
out
what
happened
what's
going
on,
but
right
now,
there's
so
many
moving
parts
and
everything
we're
just
we're
still
trying
to
get
all
the
data.
J
The
the
packet's,
like
this
big,
to
figure
out
how
you
can
spend
it
where
you
can
spend
it,
what
you
can
do
with
it
they're
still
adjusting
that
they
don't
even
have
an
official
date
put
in
the
packet.
They
just
said:
here's
a
document
on
how
you
can
use
this
so
we're
going
through
all
that
florida
league
of
cities
has
been
very
good
they're
going
to
keep
rolling
out
some
stuff
so
that
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
following
everything
so.
I
J
Yeah,
there's
not,
there
hasn't
been
much
guidance
at
all,
so
I
don't.
I
maybe
they've
come
up
with
a
plan
if
they
come
up,
but
I,
but
I'm
I'm
kind
of
hesitant
to
earmark
or
do
anything
with
it
until
we
have
all
the
the
guidance
on
how
it
can
be
spent,
which
portion
can
be
used
for
lost
revenue.
There's
a
big
formula
in
there.
Even
the
league
is
trying
to
figure
out
the
formula.
J
J
A
Sounds
more
more
accurate
if
you
take
orlando
as
being
an
accurate
number
at
50,
I
think
they
were
52
million
and
you
base
it
on
their
population.
Our
population
seven
is
close.
It
should
be
11
based
on
strictly
population
numbers,
but
you
know
we
don't
know,
but
along
those
same
lines,
I
won't
let
you
know
we're
we're
going
to
probably
engage
gray
robinson
to
help
us.
A
We
think
there's
a
lot
of
money
that,
above
and
beyond
this
money
that
we
might
be
able
to
go
after
so
we
might
engage
them
on
a
federal
and
a
state
level.
So
you
got
straight
direct
dollars
coming
from
the
federal
government
that
might
be
available,
you
also
have
federal
dollars
going
through
tallahassee
that
will
be
available,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we
want
them
to
help
us?
A
You
know
like
road
infrastructure,
water
infrastructure
parks,
and
you
know,
infrastructure
things
that
you
know
if,
if
all
of
a
sudden
there
is,
you
know
money
out
there
that
we
can
check
that
box,
then
we
want
to
be.
We
want
to
have
because
we
think
it'll
come
down
fast
and
furious,
and
so
we
don't
have
these
projects
kind
of
place.
A
Yeah
in
our
back
pocket
ready
to
go
so
we're
trying
to
put
together
the
whole
team
trying
to
put
together
different
projects
that
we
can
have
ready
on
the
shelf,
ready
to
go
in
case,
there's
something
that
we
can.
We
can
try
to
reach
out
and
get.
A
Shovel
ready,
yes,
so
anyway,
we're
we're
gonna,
probably
you'll,
probably
see
it
next.
Commission
me
and
we'll
try
to
you
know,
engage
gray
robinson
to
help
us
with
the
you
know
the
billions
and
trillions
of
dollars
that
are
floating
around
that
you
know
we
all
at
least
try
to
get
our
share
of
it.
So.
J
And
then
I
have
a
couple
of
things
I
have.
Commissioner
becker,
you
asked
about
the
the
budget
to
actual
report
at
the
last
meeting.
What
we
have
decided
I
got
with
vladimir
what
we
decided
we're
going
to
do.
Is
you
know?
Each
month
you
get
your
disbursement
report
we're
going
to
each
month,
along
with
that
disbursement
report,
we're
going
to
put
a
budget
to
actual
report.
J
So
that's
on
the
consent
agenda
for
you
each
month,
you'll
you'll,
have
it
updated
every
month,
so
it'll
be
out
there
for
anybody
that
wants
to
see
it
every
month,
so
we're
working
to
tweak
that
report.
Now
we
want
to
put
something:
that's
a
that's,
pretty
easy
to
read
so
that
for
the
public
as
well,
so
that
they
can.
J
So
we
do
that
and
I
think
I
think
that's
all
I
have.
H
Will
those
reports
be
on
the
website
at
just
those
reports?
Will
they
be
on
the
website
available
to
the.
J
H
G
Cdbg
grants,
the
community
block
community
development
block
grants
one
of
the
requirements
the
federal
government
state
of
florida
imposes
on
these
applications
is
that
the
city
adopt
a
myriad
of
policies
which
we
have
not
adopted
yet,
but
they
cover
a
wide
range
of
subjects,
and
I
felt
that
it
was
important
that
at
least
the
legal
department
take
a
look
at
these
resolutions
and
policies
in
order
to
examine
their
impacts
without
it
just
going
out
plus.
I
also
didn't
want
all
these
impacts
to
basically
blindside
the
council
when
they
were
up
for
adoption.
G
We
have
drafted
that
to
basically
supplement
our
existing
procurement
policies,
so
you
will
see
it
is
basically
part
a
which
is
our
normal
procurement
policy
and
they'll
be
a
part
b
for
cdbg
grants.
There's
also
a
policy.
The
city
has
to
adopt
both
a
minority
business
enterprise
and
a
women's
business
enterprise
policy
and
plan
in
order
to
encourage
applications
by
small
businesses
that
are
either
minority
business
enterprises
or
women's
business
enterprises.
G
City
also
has
to
adopt
a
affirmative
action
plan,
which
the
language
that
most
other
municipalities
have
passed
is
somewhat
consistent
with,
what's
located
in
our
in
our
own
policy,
our
personnel
policies,
so
they
should
be
able
to
easily
reconcile.
G
There
are
also
policies
involving
low-income
housing
and
such
improvements
that
are
used
by
cdbg
monies
to
prohibit
to
basically
avoid
and
what's
called
anti-displacement
policies,
so
that
owners
do
not
displace
low
income
and
moderate
income
families
from
homes,
while
they're
either
being
renovated.
So
these
are
a
lot
of
things
that
I
thought
I'd
want
to.
G
I
want
to
broach
a
subject
with
you
so
that
you
don't
get
blindsided
when
it
comes
time
to
adopting
these,
and
if
you
wanted
to
ask
certain
broad
questions
before
we
then
present
these
these
policies
for
adoption
at
the
next
city
council
meeting.
So
that
was
the
update
I
wanted
to
to
provide
to
the
council,
especially
in
light
of
the
certain
legislative
adoptions
that
were
done
during
this
legislative
session.
G
My
second
update
item
is
that
the
fire
department
did
have
their
union
vote
this
past
wednesday,
and
there
are
now
two
bargaining
units
that
have
been
passed.
G
The
iaf
f
will
be
representing
the
rank
and
file
and
then
there's
a
second
bargaining
unit
that
consists
of
three,
which
is
the
next
supervisory
level.
Up
at
this
point
now
we've
got
a
bargaining
unit
and
we'll
proceed
forward
if
there
are
going
to
be
any
basically
collective
bargaining
when
it
comes
to
the
the
firefighters
within
the
city
don't
hold
me
to,
and
I
can't
remember
the
exact
vote.
I
know
that
the
the
mid-level
section
there
were
only
three
eligible
voters
and
the
vote
passed
three
to
nothing.
G
I
believe
the
second
might
have
been
78
to
6
75
6.
75,
to
6
among
the
rank
and
file
on
the
members
with
several
ballots
that
were
not
picked
up
by
the
firefighters
and
those
were
returned
to
the
state
as
per
the
state's
requirements
so
and
the
vote
was
was
witnessed
by
members
of
the
staff,
as
well
as
the
representatives
of
the
of
the
fire
union.
G
G
G
Is
I've
been
reviewing
a
lot
of
the
other
local
many
because
we're
a
part
of
the
small
cities
cdbg
program?
I've
been
reviewing
similar
resolutions
and
policies
that
have
been
adopted
by
similarly
sized
or
even
smaller
cities
to
ours
and
how
they've
done
it
a
lot
of
the
ways
I've
been
really
trying
to
incorporate
a
lot
of
the
policies
we
already
have
and
that
basically,
for
the
final
result,
when
we
move
this
at
the
next
council
meeting,
your
resolutions
will
basically,
we
hereby
adopt
these
policies
and
a
lot
of
them.
H
G
Yes,
yes,
what
the
way
I've
currently
drafted
them
is
that
the
resolutions
language
of
the
resolution
is
we
hereby
adopt
the
policy
that's
attached
here
to,
as
exhibit
a
so
you're,
going
to
actually
see
the
the
policy.
If
you
recall
last
year,
when
we
voted
on
the
procurement
policy,
it's
going
to
be
the
same
way.
You'll
receive
your
resolution
as
part
of
the
resolution.
Packet
is
the
exhibit,
which
is
the
entire
policy,
so
you'll
be
able
to
to
review
the
entire
policy.
If
you
want,
I
can
even
I
can.
G
I
can
provide
you
with
the
current
drafts,
so
you
can
go
over
them
and
if
you
have
any
specific
questions,
as
you
know,
I've
always
said
I
got
an
open
door
policy
come
right
into
my
office
and
and
discuss
them,
but
I
will,
I
will
send
to
each
of
you
a
a
copy
of
the
current
drafts,
as
they're
being
done
right
now
and
prior
to
our
next
council
meeting.
A
Okay,
thanks
thanks,
michael
all,
right
try
to
go
through
these
fairly
quickly.
One
just
came
in
today.
Just
so
you'll
know
pulse
clinical.
They
do
vaccinations
and
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
use
catelyn
nelson
park
on
the
29th
and
the
30th
to
do
the
pfizer
vaccinations.
A
A
F
A
So,
okay,
next
up
the
survey
results.
You've
got
in
your
in
your
packet
from
the
from
brian
foreman.
Just
so
you
just
take
a
look
at
those
we'll
post
those
on
the
website.
A
A
A
So
that's
that
trip
to
tallahassee.
I
mean
I
was
in
the
paper
last
week,
but
it
just
happens
it
it
was.
You
know,
during
an
off
week
for
us,
I
went
to
to
see
the
governor
to
to
plead
with
him
about
you
know
not
vetoing
our
our
new
fire
station
six
for
the
third
time,
we'll
see
how
how
good
I
did
this
year
also
went
by
dep.
A
You
know
we
we've.
I
think
we've
got
sheila
roach
solved
now.
We've
got
to
figure
out
the
436
piedmont,
wekava
intersection
as
far
as
the
excessive
flooding
and
so
orange
county's
done
a
lot
of
work
on
determining
the
there
was
a
drainage
well
at
that
intersection
it.
Unfortunately,
it's
three
three
lanes
under
436
and
so
dep
started
out.
They
wanted
us
to
dig
up.
Our
orange
county
was
going
to
dig
up
436
to
find
the
drainage
well
to
cap
the
drainage
well
for
us,
then,
to
to
replace
that
with
another
drainage.
A
Well,
well
it
not
only.
We
have
to
have
three
lanes
of
traffic
be
blocked.
You
know,
while
we're
digging
up
the
road
to
to
find
a
drainage,
well,
which
we're
fairly
confident
has
already
been
capped.
You
know
we're
just
wasting
a
lot
of
money,
so
my
recommendation
to
dep
is
hey
guys.
We
here's
the
paperwork.
A
Why
don't
we
use
that
money
to
try
to
improve
the
water
quality
that
would
go
into
the
drainage
wells
and
just
for
for
just
for
everybody's
information,
a
drainage?
Well,
as
I
always
tell,
people
is
basically
a
straw
between
the
the
the
water
coming
off
your
roads
and
streets
and
parking
lots
that
go
straight
into
the
aquifer,
which
is
not
something
we
you
know
when
we're
that
that's
probably
less
than
a
is
a
as
the
crow
flies
less
than
a
mile
away
from
wikileaks
springs.
So
I
said
why
don't
we?
A
Why
don't
we
spend
those
dollars
on
some
water
treatment
before
we
go
into
the
drainage?
Well,
so,
under
normal
rain
conditions,
we
would
have
a
baffle
box
that
would
start
to
clean
the
water
before
it
goes
in
the
drainage.
Well,
obviously,
under
a
heavy
hurricane
type
scenario,
the
water
would
bypass
the
the
baffle
box
and
go
straight
into
the
drainage
well,
but
that
water
you'd
have
if
you've
got
10
or
12
inches
of
rain.
It's
gonna
be
a
lot
cleaner
than
would
be
the
one
inch
rain
that
you
have.
A
You
know,
after
you
know,
two
weeks
of
no
rain
so
anyway
they're
going
to
consider
that
hopefully
get
back
to
us
that
it's
something
they
can
do
so
I
think
it
was
a
good
trip
and
we'll
see
we'll
see
what
happens.
Can't
we
update
still
waiting.
We
should
have
a
determination
by
the
end
of
the
week
from
the
survey
or
as
to
whether
you
know
what
what
how
many
acres
of
land
they
actually
have
to
sell.
That's
that's
developable.
A
At
that
point
you
know
we
can
make
a
decision.
You
know
how
to
move
forward
and
as
well
as
the
ymca.
So
I
look
forward
to
having
some
something
back
by
the
end
of
the
week.
As
far
as
the
survey
and
the
amount
of
acres
that
are
above
the
100
year,
floodplain
last
but
not
least,
the
rock
springs
ridge
update
last
week
I've
had
three
different
meetings,
one
one
phone
call
out
of
the
met,
let's
see
monday.
A
A
I
made
calls
to
all
of
the
the
there's
five
folks
that
are
on
that
board
the
recreational
board
and
contacted
all
five
of
them
got
formed
or
returned
to
calls,
and
so
what
you
have
in
here
is
you've
got
the
the
so
operating
costs.
You've
got
bond,
cost
you've
got
you
know
what
they've
done,
but
let
me
run
through
a
couple
of
things
that
we
we,
that
they
they
brought
up,
that
I
thought
was
kind
of
interesting.
A
They
were,
they
paid,
14
million
dollars
for
the
property,
and
then
they
borrowed
excuse
me
paid
16
million
for
the
property
and
they
they
borrowed
24
million.
To
do
some
additional
improvements
on
the
on
the
property
they
have
about.
They
have
1100
homes
versus
the
1320
that
we
have
at
rock
springs
ridge,
and
they
they
have
a
kind
of
a
weird
system
they
have
a
their
hoa
is
is
operating.
A
They
also
have
a
recreational
district
that
opera
that
is
an
operating,
and
then
they
have
an
another
management
company
that
is
one
member
of
the
hoa
one.
Member
of
the
recreational
district
and
a
just
a
a
owner
occupier
of
in
there
in
the
recreational
district
so
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
redundancy
there,
which
I
think
you
know
in
the
meetings
I
had
you
know
past.
You
know
after
after
that,
I
have,
you
know,
made
the
suggestions
that
you
know.
A
I
think
you
could
do
it
much
more
cost
of
you
know
effectively
efficiently,
so
anyway,
good
good
meetings,
a
lot
of
information
there
for
you
just
to
take
a
look
at
and
and
what
I've
asked
michael
rodriguez
to
do
for
us
is
the
ordinance
in
here.
A
The
ordinance
number
number
1829
is
their
ordinance,
and
I
said,
rather
than
us
reinvent
the
wheel
for
if
we,
if,
if
the
members
of
rock
spring
bridge
want
a
recreational
district,
michael
is
going
to
tweak
this
agreement
to,
you
know,
obviously
be
some
things
in
there
that
don't
pertain
to
rock
springs
ridge.
So
we
want
to
get
this
in
a
position
that
within
two
weeks
that
we
can
bring
it
back
to
the
council
for
a
vote.
A
You
know
it's
kind
of
which
comes
first,
the
chicken
or
the
egg.
Do
we
bring
the
ordinance
forward
and,
and
then
let
the
the
members
of
rock
springs
ridge
vote
on
it?
So
my
my
thought
is
that
I
will
we'll
get
the
the
agreement
kind
of
put
together
the
ordinance
we'll
share
that
out
on
our
our
our
website.
A
Then
we'll
have
one
more
meeting
with
the
with
the
folks
from
rock
springs
ridge,
community
meeting
out
the
amphitheater
to
to
kind
of
get
their.
You
know
their
their
feelings
and
blessings,
and
and
then
it
will
we'll
be
working
with
bill
cals
to
put
together
an
election.
We've
got
a
cost
for
the
election.
I
think
I
told
you
last
time
less
than
five
thousand
dollars.
I
just
would
like
bill
cows.
A
Do
it
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
we
can
handle
so
that
gets
us
to
this
week
I
had
a
meeting
with
gary
mcsweeney
and
his
his
attorney
kurt
ardeman
and
michael
rodriguez
and
kind
of
laying
out
the
groundwork
on
what
we
think.
I
think
we've
kind
of
come
up.
That's
the
proposal.
They
they
think
they
want
to
go
recreational
district
according
to
the
hoa
we're
still,
you
know
we're
waiting
on
on.
You
know
to
get
more
information
from.
A
A
We
need
to
get
some
kind
of
a
letter
of
determination
from
st
john's
water
management
as
to
the
ponds,
what
what
they
can
and
can't
do
with
the
ponds,
and
then
at
that
point
I
think
we're
ready
to
to
take
it
to
the
you
know
to
the
voters
of
rock
springs
ridge,
so
we
I
know
that
kurt
ardeman,
the
attorney
for
for
the
hoa,
is
talking
about
putting
together
a
three-way
agreement
which
we
hopefully
will
have
sometime
soon.
A
I
don't
you
know,
because
we
we
initially
talked
about
where
the
where
apopka
would
swap
with
with
de
la
russo
and
then
the
hoa
would
buy
the
property
from
the
city,
but
he
thinks
he
can
put
together
a
three-way
agreement
which
would
be
fine
with
us
a
couple
things
that
they're
also
mentioned
er
the
the
lease
agreement.
You
know
you
know
what
are
they
getting
for
the
six
thousand
dollars,
and
so
you
know
you
know,
does
any
of
that
money
go
toward
principal?
A
Well,
you
know
for
us
the
whole
reason
for
having
the
lease
agreement
was
to
to
you
know
that
would
be
our
hammer
for
rock
springs
ridge
to
you
know
to
to
make
the
tobias
out
of
the
we
don't
we're
not
into
the
into
holding
on
to
that
land.
So
we'd
like
to
get
out
of
that
quickly.
But
you
know
if
it's
the
you
know
the
will
of
the
of
the
council.
You
know
I
could
see
us
doing
maybe
two
weeks
given
the
whole
six
thousand
dollars.
A
So
then
I
had
another.
Then
I
had
a
call
from
chad
barton
who
is
the
partner
with
with
de
la
russo
and
he's
agreed
one
of
the
things
one
of
the
big
concerns
was
the
roof
and
the
irrigation
at
at
the
clubhouse
or
the
at
the
tavern
and
chad
has
agreed
to
replace
the
roof
and
put
the
irrigation
in
around
the
the
the
tavern.
So
they've
agreed
to
do
that
and
then
then,
the
third
just
had
a
meeting
with
a
group.
A
A
non
you
know,
non-hoa
group,
just
to
talk
same
same
kind
of
things,
gave
them
the
same
agreements
which
we'll
have
these
posted
the
agreements
from
the
art,
the
recreational
district
and
kind
of
how
they
got
to
where
they
are.
So
with
that,
you
know
be
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
questions
you
know
kind
of
where
we're
at
you
know
we
we're
trying
to
move
as
fast.
We
can.
I
I
would
I'm
I'm
almost
definitely
sure
that
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
this.
A
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
any
of
the
questions,
but
so
I
go
back
to
the
the
plan
is,
I
hope,
to
have
the
some
some
language
here
in
the
next
for
next
council
meeting.
Obviously,
with
any
input
we
can
get
from
council
anybody
from
rock
springs
ridge.
If
there's
things
that,
as
we
put
it
together,
we'll
try
to
get
it
in
the
next.
A
You
know
week
or
so
so.
They've
got
plenty
of
time
to
take
a
look
at
the
recreational
district
language
and
then
we're
you
know
we're
off
to
the
races.
I
What
you
said
three-way
agreement,
part
of
the
because
currently.
A
A
A
A
I
mean,
if
it's
possible,
I
mean
the
problem
with
three-way
agreements.
Then
you
know
one
one
party
gets
out
of
whack.
Then
then
the
whole
thing
falls
apart.
I'm
you
know.
If,
if
kurt
arnold
can
put
something
together
and
I'll
be
smart
guy,
if
he
can
do
it,
we're
well
explained
in
three-way
agreement
that
it
would
almost
would
simultaneously.
A
I
And
then
a
couple
logistical
questions
on
so
manatee
county's
ordinance,
the
election
that
you're
talking
about
with
cows
is
that
for
formation,
election
or
election
of
officers,
assuming
that
we
have
formation
and
just
the
onset
of
the
form,
okay,
correct
right.
If.
G
I
G
Manatees
was
different
just
to
differentiate,
because
in
manatee
there
are
two
ways
of
creating
a
district.
One
is
by
petition
in
which
the
residents
within
the
district
petition
the
city
council
to
pass
an
ordinance
that
way
that
one
goes
residence
first,
two
city
city
passes
an
ordinance.
You
have
a
recreation
district.
The
other
option
is
city,
pat
city
writes
the
ordinance.
The
ordinance
is
then
a
ballot
question
which
then
the
residents
vote.
If
they
do
not
receive
a
majority
of
the
votes,
the
ordinance
fails.
G
Gotcha
so
and
the
election
would
be
a
complete
vote
by
mail
election.
So
you
would
not
be
going
to
a
precinct
to
vote.
Every
resident
would
have
a
ballot
sent
to
them
and
then
they
would
vote
vote
by
mail,
one
of
the
last
total
and
there's
a
provision
in
state
statute
that
allows
a
complete
vote
by
mail
one
of
the
last
ones
last
year.
G
Well,
let
me
rephrase,
though
sorry
2019
volusia
county,
had
a
ballot
question
in
regards
to
a
half
cent
sales
tax
for
environmental
properties,
which
was
done
completely
by
mail.
So
it
would
be
the
similar
format
and
it
goes.
I
Okay,
because
again
on
the
on
the
what
you
had
provided,
the
cost
of
the
election
for
the
board
vote
then
becomes
in
their
language.
It
was
born
by
the
uprd,
which
would
be
the
equivalent
of
the
recreational
district
for
rock
springs
ridge,
and
then
is
there
any?
What's
the
relationship
of
the
rd
to
the
hoa
board?
Is
there
preclusions
to
disallow
membership
on
both
boards?
How
does
that
work
that.
G
Is
something
that
we
would
be
working
together
with
the
hoa
on
determining
there?
There
can
be?
We
actually
did
discuss
this.
I
did
discuss
this
with
hoa's
council,
whether
it's
an
option
to
create
a
clause
within
the
governing
within
the
ordinance
and
again,
the
ordinance
would
end
up
being
the
the
recreational
district's
charter,
whether
there
would
be
a
prohibition
of
dual
office
holding
which
meant
that,
when
a
member
of
the
h,
an
officer
of
the
hoa,
cannot
also
be
a
member
of
the
board
of
supervisors
of
the
of
the
recreation
district.
G
I
G
I
G
But
I
mean
the
statutes
allow
for
the
governing
body
to
also
be
the
cra
similar
to
the
the
recreation
district.
Chap
section
of
florida
statutes
actually
provides
for
two
options.
The
city
council
can
serve
as
the
governing
body
of
the
recreational
district
or
option.
Two
is
that
a
board
of
supervisors
is
elected
to
run
the
recreational
district,
and
I
think
it's
the
the
residents.
A
So
we'll
probably
have
at
least
one
or
two
more
meetings
with
with
gary
and
and
kurt
just
to
you
know,
get
it
all
kind
of
set
to
go.
I
mean
and
what
I've
mentioned
to
kurt
ardeman
and
and
looking
at
the
rd
versus
in
the
hoa
the
redundancy
cost
to
have
both
it
doesn't
make
any
sense.
A
I
mean
you
know
if
you're
asking
me
it
would
make
more
sense
to
take
all
the
property,
and
there
might
be
some
other
legal
reasons
why
you
don't
want
to
do
it,
but
take
all
the
hoa
property,
give
it
to
the
recreational
district,
and
they
only
have
one
entity
because
by
having
you
know
dual
you
know
not
they're
not
competing,
but
but
dual
organizations
within
the
same.
You
know
community,
I
don't
think,
makes
any
sense,
but
I
mean
obviously
that
if
the
if
the
hoa.
P
A
That,
then,
you
know
we'll
we'll
give
them
what
they
want.
I
mean
we'll
get
an
ordinance,
how
they
want
it
and
then
bring
it
to
the
council
and
and
and
then
take
it,
take
it
from
there
and.
I
Then
last
question
I
mean
how
so
like
you
said,
you're
kind
of
doing
some
due
diligence
around
ponds
due
diligence
around
the
location
of
the
tavern,
all
that
sort
of
stuff.
You
know-
and
I
see
that
there's
financials
on
the
example
that
you
gave
here.
How
is
the
city
partnering
with
the
hoa
and
the
community
to
understand
like?
A
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
our
that's
our
responsibility.
I
think
that
should
I
mean
because
I
don't
if
we
go
out
and
we
we
come
up
if
edward
goes
out
and
looks
and-
and
we
don't
come
up
with
the
right
numbers-
I
you
know
it's
not
because
we
when
we
turn
over
the
keys,
the
keys
are
the
residents
of
rock
springs
ridge
they're,
not
the
city
of
apopka,
so
the
due
diligence
as
far
as
operating
any
of
those
costs
after
you
know.
The
deal
is
closed.
A
I
think
that's
for
them
to
to
decide,
because
one
of
the
things
the
recreational
district
for
manatee
told
us
is
listen.
You
know
we
only
borrowed.
They
borrowed
24
million
on
on
a
16
million
dollar
purchase.
He
said
we
should
have
borrowed
30
million
and
had
more
money
for
more
amenities
that
everybody's
asking
for
I'm
not
we're
not
telling
them
what
I
mean.
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
business
of
telling
them
what
they
want
to
do
with
the
property
they
could.
You
know
they
could
obviously
do
golf.
A
They
could
do
nothing,
they
could
do
you
know
pass
I
mean.
So
it's
for
the
for,
for
the
recreational
or
for
the
rock
springs
ridge
residents
to
figure
out
what
they
want
to
do
and
we'll
we'll
help
guide
them
to
that
point
and
and
then
let
them
at
the
point
that
they
they
own
it.
Then
they
can
decide.
You
know,
that's
the
only
thing
they
told
me.
Is
that
listen
guy
whatever
y'all
do.
Is
you
know
if
you
think
you're
going
to
borrow?
A
If
you
think
you're
going
to
put
golf
course
back
in
there,
you
don't
want
to
borrow
two
and
a
half
million
or
three
million,
with
no
money
left
to
build
a
golf
course.
I
mean
if
that,
if
it's
any
consideration,
if
it's
not,
then
just
borrow
the
three
million
and
be
done,
but
so
they
said
just
having
additional
money
gives
you
more
flexibility
in
what
you
can
do.
You
know
if
you
want
to
put
a
fitness
center
in
a
pool
or
whatever
you
wanted
to
do
so.
A
That's
that's
for
them
to
tell
you
know,
that's
for
them
to
decide,
not
us.
I
think
we
just
we're
just
giving
them
the
mechanism
to
do
it
and
and
the
authority
to
go
out
and
bond.
You
know
at
really
extremely
low
rates
and
so
the
faster
they
can
do
it.
You
know,
based
on
some
of
the
rates
starting
to
bump
up.
You
know,
I
think,
the
better
they're
they're
going
to
be
as
well.
H
But
the
first
election
that
you
are
putting
together
is
really
if
we
can
get
three
of
the
residents
to
say.
Yes,
they
want
it.
Fifty-One.
G
G
We
wouldn't
even
come
to
a
point
without
entering
into
such
an
agreement
to
move
forward
if,
if
the
resident,
if
the
association
hypothetically
the
association
can't
get
a
consensus,
they
can
get
the
residents
to
move
forward
or
if
it
gets
put
on
the
ballot
and
only
47
percent
of
the
we
don't
get
a
majority.
The
ordinance
fails.
There's
no
recreation
district.
G
D
H
You
went
to
the
meeting
last
night,
and
so
we
can
talk
about
it
because
you
went
last
night.
What
was
what
was
your
feeling
when
you
went
to
the
meeting?
I
could
not
go
last
night
and
I'm
I'm
referring
that
question
to
alexander
smith.
I
A
A
Thirds
of
votes
to
get
it
with
with
just
the
hoa
bonnet,
if
the,
if
a
recreational
district
was
set
up,
you
can
buy
it
with
50
plus
one
I
mean
we
could
do
a.
I
mean,
I'm
sure
the
hoa
would
would
help
us
if
you
want
to
get
an
informal
vote,
but
I
want
the
vote
that
we
take
based
on
what
we
we
send
to
the
members
to
be
done.
A
A
A
P
A
F
B
H
So
one
question
away
from
that,
because
both
alexander
smith
and
myself,
we
live
in
rock
springs
ridge.
Do
we
have
to
recruit
ourselves
from
these
elections
or
from
even
voting
up
here?
For
this.
G
No
because
you
don't
get
you
don't
have
any
financial
gain
from
the
vote.
You're
voting
on
it
on
an
hoa
matter
as
to
whether
the
hoa
is
going
to
form
an
independent
governing
district
so
and.
A
G
But
but
there's
no
in
order
for
there
to
be
really
a
conflict
of
interest
for
you
to
recruit
you
recuse
yourself,
I
mean
you
can
recuse
yourself
if
you,
if
you
wish
to
or
your
with
a
question
that
will
be
called
upon,
this
council
would
be
to
create
a
the
ballot
question
upon
which
to
the
creation
of
a
separate
entity.
It
would
be
similar
to
if,
if
you
were
to
vote
on
a
half
cent,
we're
a
city.
G
H
It's
you're
not
making
money
off
of
it
all
right,
I'm
just
asking
only
because
I
received
an
email
asking
if
I
would
recruit
myself
am
I
required
to
recruit
myself.
So
you
answering
the
question.
I
can
publicly
say
that
myself
and
obviously,
commissioner
smith,
who
also
is
a
resident-
we
do
not
have
to
recruit
ourselves
that
we
can
vote.
H
G
You're
you're
voting
you're
voting
on
on
whether
to
call
the
ballot
to
create
the
ballot
question
and
then
you
will
be
receiving
the
ballot
in
order
to
vote
whether
or
not
to
create
a
recreational
district.
But,
however,
your
vote
will
not
result
in
a
canary
gain
to
you.
You're,
not
you're,
you're
there's
you
have
no
financial
investment
in
the
in
the
deal
in
order
for
you,
it's
not
a
decision.
That's
going
to
be
based
on
any
type
of
financial
gain
on
your
part,
you're.
It's
it's
a
valid
question.
H
B
I
guess
the
other
question
that
came
up
at
the
meeting
also
was
who's
going
to
pay
for
the
cleanup
of
the
contamination
and.
A
G
Outfield,
I
don't
want
to
put
the
cart
before
the
horse
to
say
who's
going
to
pay
for
a
cleanup
when
there
hasn't
been
a
determination.
Whether
or
not
a
cleanup
has
to
be
made
that,
but
that's
just
lawyer
me
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
conclude
that.
But
that
would
be
that
if
there
are
certain
remediation
that
needs
to
be
done,
that
will
be.
G
That
will
be
a
subject
of
any
type
of
agreement
between
the
the
parties,
whether
it's,
whether
it
is
the
current
owner's
responsibility
to
clean
it
or
whether
the
future
owner
will
take
the
responsibility
of
doing
the
remediation
and
if
then,
they
try
apply
for
certain
grants
or
any
other
financial
assistance
to
aid
in
the
in
the
remediation
of
any
potential
contamination.
Without
stating
whether
or
not
there's
contamination
there
or
not,
because
there's
no
conclusive
answer
yet.
A
That
sounds
like
a
we'll
bring
something
back
in
two
weeks
for
for
your
review
and
if
you've
got
any
input.
Michael
have
something
next
week
we'll
meet
again
with
the
hoa,
but
any
obviously
anybody
will.
You
know,
want
to
sit
down
with
michael
and
go
over
the
agreement.
The
recreational
district
agreement
and
we'll
we'll
definitely
have
at
least
one
or
two
more
meetings
with
the
with
the
hoa
board
and
kurt
ardeman
and
if
you
know,
try
to
iron
out
any
other
details,
but
I
I
think.
G
And
for
clarification
of
what
we've
agreed
upon,
the
hoa's
council
will
be
will
be
drafting
the
first
draft
of
the
of
the
three-party
agreement.
We're
drafting
the
first
draft
of
the
of
the
ordinance
to
to
that
would
basically
be
the
recreational
district's
charter
and
then
we'll
exchange
and
go
over
and
review
and
revise
accordingly.
So,
if
you're
asking,
if
you're
asking
me
if
to
give
you
a
copy
of
the
three-party
agreement,
I'm
not
the
hoas
council
will
be
drafting
the
three-party
agreement.
I'm
I'm
drafting
the
ordinance.
H
Agreement
is
that
available
for
to
the
public.
Is
that
available
if
residents.
G
Not
until
it's
not
until
it's
submitted
to
us,
while
it's
still
being
drafted
over
there,
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
public
record.
It's
it's!
Actually
the
work
product,
the
attorney.
Once
it's
submitted
to
us
to
review,
then
it
does
become
and
then
it
doesn't
then
it'll
become
a
public
record
and.
G
G
H
H
H
Yeah,
okay,
so
when
you
get
that
agreement
from
the
attorney,
would
you
notify
us
sure?
Okay,
I
just
think
it's
fair,
because
I
mean
the
residents
that
are
coming
out
are
very
engaged,
but
they
still
don't
represent
the
entire
community,
and
I
just
want
to
be
fair
to
many
who
are
kind
of
relying
on,
and
I
know
that
commissioner
smith
has
been
approached
as
I've
been.
H
D
H
H
So
you
know,
I
think,
that's
a
fair
way
to
get
some
information
to
a
lot
of
residents
that
are
not
engaged
but
are
approaching
me-
and
I
know
they've
been
approaching,
commissioner
smith,
depending
on
what
side
of
the
development
they
live
in,
so
I
want
to
be
able
to
provide
something
to
those
residents,
because
I
already
know
the
residents
that
are
engaged,
but
I
also
know
the
residents
that
are
not
engaged.
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
All.