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Description
Batch 2 July 27 2022 Historic Landmarks Committee Meeting
B
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E
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B
F
B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
this
presentation
is
going
to
be
broken
up
into
three
parts
and
it
will
include
information
that
we
presented
at
the
june
meeting
as
well,
so
be
prepared
for
that.
It's
going
to
probably
take
about
a
half
an
hour
so
for
members
of
the
committee,
if
you
you
know,
have
questions
as
they
come
up,
feel
free
to
interrupt
me
and
kind
of
break
up
my
flow
here,
because
I'm
just
going
to
be
kind
of
droning
at
you,
otherwise,
so
without
further
ado.
B
So
a
little
bit
of
background
for
our
attendees,
some
of
which
were
here
at
the
june
meeting
or
have
watched
it.
But,
as
I
was
saying,
this
meeting
is
building
on
the
meeting
that
we
had
on
june
16th,
which
is
available
for
people
who
haven't
seen
it
if
they
would
like
to
go
back
and
review
it.
It's
uploaded
on
the
city's
youtube
page
and
that
same
information
will
be
provided
tonight.
B
But
we're
going
to
start
with
some
information
that
was
requested
by
the
public
attendees,
who
came
last
time
and
really
wanted
a
little
bit
more
clarification
on.
You
know
what
this
new
list
would
mean
for
their
property.
What
the
pros
and
cons
would
be
of
being
recognized
as
a
potentially
historic
structure,
so
we're
going
to
go
through
that
first.
B
So
we
did
have
some
people
request
more
information
on.
You
know
what
are
the
benefits
of
making
these
determinations
of
historic
sites
now,
instead
of
piecemeal
as
projects
come
up
and
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
main
reason
we're
doing.
This
is
just
to
have
a
very
clear
sense
at
the
outset
of
what
is
considered,
you
know
historic,
potentially
historic
or
not,
potentially
historic,
and
not
requiring
additional
review
and
redevelopment
in
the
gateway
area,
and
you
know
hopefully
some
days
city-wide
will
be
easier
for
sites
that
are
not
on
this
list.
B
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
property
owners
aren't
signed
up
for
a
very
unpleasant
surprise
when
they
come
forward
and
want
to
invest
in
their
property
and
also
you
know,
there
are
actual
benefits
to
the
property
owners.
In
addition
to
just
having
a
general
sense
of
you
know
how
the
city
will
view
their
property
if
they
are
coming
in
for
a
modification,
so
you
do
want
to
do
an
addition
or
otherwise
alter
your
property.
You
will
be
able
to
use
the
historic
building
code.
B
There
are
certain
things
that
will
benefit
you
in
terms
of
how
the
city
considers
non-conformities
historic
non-conformities,
and
we
can
even
potentially
make
some
parking
allowances
for
sites
that
are
considered
historic,
and
these
are
pretty
typical
incentives.
And
obviously
the
committee
has
expressed
a
lot
of
interest
in
continuing
to
find
carrots
instead
of
sticks
for
people,
and
we
will
be
continuing
to
look
for
additional
incentives
for
property
owners
with
historic
properties
as
we
move
through
the
historic
element
review
which
is
coming
up
in
the
next
few
months.
B
And
finally,
if
you're
put
on
this
list
of
potentially
historic
sites,
you're,
not
a
landmark
property,
there's
no
associated
ordinance,
it
doesn't
create
an
overlay
zone.
You
know
none
of
that
applies
to
these
sites,
but
you
can
realize
additional
tax
benefits
if
you
do
decide
to
voluntarily
landmark
your
property
and
that
will
open
up
certain
tax
savings
options
for
you
through
the
mills
act.
B
So
if
anyone
in
the
public
has
questions
about
how
that
program
works
and
what
the
process
is
for
becoming
eligible
for
it,
we
can
definitely
address
that,
but
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
it
too
much
now.
So,
in
terms
of
you
know
what
would
be
the
negative
aspects
of
this
per
property
owners
being
identified
as
having
a
potentially
significant
resource
on
your
site?
B
The
second
is
new
additions.
An
adjacent
or
related
new
construction
shall
be
undertaken
in
such
a
manner
that,
if
removed
in
the
future,
the
essential
form
and
integrity
of
the
historic
property
and
its
environment
would
be
unimpaired,
and
then
this
is
the
last
one
which
kind
of
ties
both
of
those
together
new
additions,
exterior
alterations
or
related
new
construction
shall
not
destroy
historic
materials
that
characterize
the
property.
B
The
new
work
shall
be
differentiated
from
the
old
and
shall
be
compatible
with
the
massing
size,
scale
and
architectural
features
to
protect
the
historic
integrity
of
the
property
and
its
environment.
So
this
is
very
jargony
and
I
apologize
hope.
I'm
not
you
know
overwhelming
anyone
with
this
information,
but
it's
just
to
show
you
know
in
a
transparent
way.
B
C
Well,
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
the
term
integrity
is
the
key,
the
key
wording
in
a
lot
of
this
of
the
guidelines.
It's
really
about
you
know
ensuring
that
any
alteration
or
changes
allows
anybody
walking
past
that
property
to
go
oh
and
still
recognize
that
the
property
they're
looking
at
has
some
characteristics
that
are
unique
to
that.
C
You
know
through
that
structure
in
many
ways,
and
I
think
the
key
there's
another
key
item
there
about
if
you
do
make
an
addition
or
something
it
should
not
mimic
the
former
what
it
makes
something
historic
or
important,
historically
in
some
sense
or
design
important,
it's
supposed
to
stand
out,
but
it's
supposed
to
somewhat
kind
of
meld
in
ver.
Well
enough,
so
it
doesn't
detract
from
how
that
structure
looks
in
some
sense.
That's
kind
of
the
key
item.
B
So
yeah
to
tim's
point,
you
know
the
reason
that
I
wanted
to
showcase.
These
is
to
say
so
you
want
to
do
an
addition
to
your
property.
You
know
there
is
a
pathway
for
us
to
approve
and
support
that
project,
but
we
would
want
to
see
it
somehow
differentiated
from
the
original
historic
structure
and
there
would
be
some
considerations
that
we
would
be
applying
so
we're
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
like
scenario
exploration,
you're,
a
property
owner
and
you're
on
this
list.
B
What
would
that
mean
for
various
things
you
might
want
to
do
to
your
property
in
the
future?
Okay,
first
example:
you
have
no
actual
plans
to
make
any
exterior
modifications
to
your
structure.
You
want
to
do
maybe
a
ton
of
improvements
to
the
interior
or
you
love
your
house
just
the
way
it
is.
You
don't
want
to
change
anything.
B
B
This
is
already
streamlined
by
the
state,
and
what
that
means
is
the
state
has
already
removed
the
city's
ability
to
regulate
that
unless
we
choose
to
create
a
standalone
ordinance
specific
to
our
town,
which
we
have
not
yet
chosen
to
do
so
there
would
be
no
change
in
process
at
this
time.
You
could
continue
to
just
go
straight
to
the
building
counter
and
create
an
adu
on
your
lot.
B
B
So
again,
this
is
the
point
I
wanted
to
try
and
make
for
people
is
that
this
is
likely
what
would
happen
anyway,
but
what
it
would
mean
is
it
might
be
a
surprise
to
you.
You
come
to
the
building
counter
and
you
want
to
pull
a
permit
for
an
addition,
and
we
say
well
wait.
You
know
we
have
evidence
in
the
record
that
the
site
might
be
historic,
but
we
haven't
had
that
vetted
by
the
decision
makers.
We
need
to
put
you
through
that
process.
So
that's.
B
And
then
this
would
go
to
the
planning,
commission
and
the
city
council
for
review
and,
ultimately,
as
part
of
the
eir,
they
would
be
required
to
adopt
a
statement
of
overriding
considerations
which
is
a
finding
that,
whatever
the
new
development
project
brought
to
the
city
was
more
important
than
what
the
historic
resource
contributed
to
the
city.
And
I
see
that
tim
has
his
hand
raised.
Do
you
want
to
add
to
that
tim.
C
B
The
report
alex
stillman
falls
in
that
camp,
for
example,
but
typically
we
want
somebody
who
can
really
apply
architectural
criteria
and
in
fact
we
have
also
allowed
these
reports
to
be
prepared
simply
by
licensed
architects,
not
necessarily
by
historic
resources
professionals,
but
they
are
architectural
professionals
and
have
gone
through
the
training
to
be
able
to
weigh
some
of
these.
You
know
different
criteria
related
to
massing
and
scale,
and
that
kind
of
thing
any
other
questions
from
the
committee.
B
G
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt,
because
I
asked
a
question
then
I
just
interrupted
you,
that's
what
I
find
most
frustrates
people
they
want
to
do
what
they
consider
upgrades
to
their
home.
They
don't
necessarily
want
to
change
anything,
but
they
they
want
to
modernize
it
by
putting
solar
on
or
aluminum
siding
or
vinyl
windows,
and
I
think
that's
the
most
consternation
that
I
come
across.
F
Yeah,
I
think
from
dealer,
if
you
don't
mind
I'll
jump
in
a
little
bit
here.
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
committee
has,
you
know,
provided
different
opinions
for
different
projects
over
time,
and
obviously
you
know,
as
you
all
well
know,
you
know,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
subjectivity
in
historic
resources,
identification
and
preservation
processes,
and
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
that
we've
had
periods
in
our
history,
where
you
know
the
committee
and
the
historic
design
review
commission
when
they
were
active.
F
If
someone
come,
you
know,
has
the
resources
to
do
that.
So
it's
really,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
firm
and
fixed
answer
to
that
jill.
Unfortunately,
but
I
I
do
think
that
you
know
we
try
and
stay
in.
You
know
connection
with
the
historic
landmark
committee
and
and
really
rely
on
the
expertise
that
this
body
brings
forward.
As
a
you
know,
you
know
to
help
us
make
those
determinations
at
the
counter.
B
And
I
would
also
just
note
you
know
in
the
context
of
this
list
that
we're
reviewing
tonight
it's
a
pretty
short
list
and
some
of
the
sites,
I
think,
have
already
replaced
their
windows.
For
example,
I
don't
know
about
siding,
but
I
can
think
of
at
least
one
where
they
already
have
metal
windows.
That
they'll
probably
need
to
replace
you
know.
So
there
is
some
some
flexibility
there.
It's
not
like
every
site
that
we've
identified
is
perfectly
immaculately
preserved.
B
Necessarily
at
this
point,
okay,
so
demolition,
we
just
went
over
so
the
last
you
know
scenario
I
wanted
to
go
over
is
what,
if
you
wanted
to
move
a
structure
and
basically
you
know
the
short
answer:
is
it's
the
same
process
as
it
is
now?
Typically,
it's
an
administrative
permit
done
over
the
counter,
and
the
zoning
administrator
as
sort
of
the
review
authority
does
retain
the
you
know,
ability
to
require
additional
review,
depending
on
mostly
the
context
of
the
site,
is
my
understanding,
as
well
as
the
resource
itself
and
david.
B
You
okay!
So
in
summary,
if
you
aren't
planning
to
make
any
modifications
to
your
property,
there
will
be
no
additional
process.
No
real
impact
to
your
site
as
a
result
of
this
identification
and
modifications
that
you
do
make
will
be
subject
to
the
exact
same
process
as
you
currently
would
be
subject
to.
B
So
that's
the
end
of
the
first
part.
So
I'm
going
to
spend
a
couple
more
minutes
just
kind
of
going
through
the
ask
for
tonight
and
then
I
believe
we
were
planning
to
open
it
up
for
public
comment.
So
is
the
chair
comfy
with
moving
on
at
this
point,
or
do
you
want
to
stop
here
and
see
if
anyone
has
any
questions.
F
I
think
chair
there's
going
to
be
a
couple
of
opportunities
for
public
input
and
there
are
a
couple
of
key
decision
points
throughout
the
meeting.
The
next
section,
you're
actually
going
to
go
into
the
method
that
you
all
agree
to
use
to
to
go
through
the
list
and
then
you're
going
to
go
through
the
list
and
when
dilo
and
I
were
talking
before
the
meeting,
it
seemed
prudent
to
open
public
comment
just
before
you
make
a
decision
on
your
method.
F
F
H
I
Can
you
hear
me
yep
loud
and
clear,
hi,
okay,
great,
thank
you
yeah
when
delia
was
talking
about
the
or
the
question
that
jill
had
about
the
vinyl
windows?
What
was
the
answer
to
that,
because
I
have
potentially
two
houses
that
are
on
the
list
for
that
I'm
not
planning
in
my
lifetime
of
ever
tearing
them
down
or
you
know,
adding
on
to
them
or
anything
like
that,
and
when
they
go
to
my
kids,
I'm
going
to
write
a
letter
tell
them.
F
F
You
know,
then
I
think
that
would
be
the
forum
for
for
resolving
on
that,
and-
and
I
know
it
depends-
is
not
a
very
great
answer
to
here
as
a
property
owner,
but
but
it
it
has.
The
answer
to
that
question
has
varied
throughout
the
years,
depending
on
who's
sitting
in
these
seats.
I'll
just
be
frank
with
you.
I
Yeah,
I
know
I
I
understand.
I
understand
that
I
just
you
know
my
own
house.
We
actually
live
in
on
mitchell
heights
and
it
was
built
in
1902
and
it's
a
two-story
and
my
wife
wanted
to
keep
the
original
windows
which
we
did,
but
because
it
has
laugh
and
plaster
original
windows
and
it
isn't
spent
in
the
wintertime
seven
to
eight
hundred
dollars
a
month
on
pg
e
bills.
For
the
last
25
years.
J
I
B
Okay,
so
tonight's
review,
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
like
reframe
us
in
okay.
Well,
what
are
we
doing
tonight?
What
are
what
are
we
asking
you
to
help
us
do
so
for
the
gateway
area
plan?
Specifically,
we
have
hired
a
consultant
to
prepare
a
list
of
potentially
historic
resources
casting
a
pretty
wide
net,
using
existing
criteria
outlined
in
our
current
general
plan.
B
The
subcommittee
reviewed
the
site
suggested
some
modifications
to
those
criteria
which
you
will
be
asked
to
wait
on
and
adopt
tonight
and
the
remaining
sites
that
the
subcommittee
either
felt
should
be
listed
or
needed.
Additional
discussion
from
this
body
have
been
brought
before
you
this
evening
and
property
owners
that
could
stand
to
be
affected.
B
B
If
that's
helpful,
we'll
be
asking
you
to
make
a
formal
vote
on
those
and
then
essentially
apply
those
criteria
and
adopt
sites
as
a
full
voting
body
one
site
at
a
time,
and
what
we're
going
to
suggest
is
you
know
for
each
site,
basically
doing
a
straw
poll
vote
getting
a
sense
of
where
the
committee
is
at
and
then
opening
up
each
site
individually
to
the
property
owner
for
public
comment.
If
they
choose
to
provide
information
to
the
committee
in
advance
of
the
committee
voting.
B
So
that
would
be
a
time
specifically
for
the
property
owner,
not
for
the
general
public
to
basically
weigh
in
on
their
site.
But
then,
once
the
committee
has
gone
through
the
full
list
of
sites,
that
would
be
another
opportunity
for
general
public
comment
in
advance
of
adopting
all
of
those
sites
into
the
record.
B
Does
that
make
sense
bill
and
others,
okay
and
so
finally,
as
sort
of
like
a
separate
add-on
item,
we're
going
to
look
at
the
six
sites
that
were
submitted
by
a
member
of
the
public
and
we're
not
going
to
be
asking
you
to
vote
on
those
tonight?
I
think
we
just
need
a
simple.
You
know.
Yes,
no,
we
want
to
consider
these
and
then
we'll
agendize,
those
for
the
next
meeting
and
notice
the
property
owners.
B
So
that
is
you
know
basically
the
framework
this
evening,
and
I
wanted
to
just
make
it
clear
to
the
committee
that
what
we're
doing
tonight
is
specific
to
the
gateway
survey,
but
it
will,
you
know,
basically
be
the
framework
we
will
use,
hopefully
citywide
in
the
future,
in
terms
of
the
criteria
that
we're
applying
and
the
way
we're
trying
to
capture
sites
as
potentially
historic,
for
further
review.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
and
david
I
saw
you
turned
your
video
on.
B
So,
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
screen
is
our
existing
adopted
criteria
adopted
by
the
city
council
and,
on
the
right
hand,
is
the
modifications
proposed
by
staff
in
partnership
with
the
subcommittee
and
those
modifications
are
listed
in
orange.
Just
so,
you
can
kind
of
see
them
side
by
side,
so
this
first
one
is
trying
to
refine
this
first
criteria
to
make
it
tied
to
the
four
basically
eras
of
significance
in
arcadas.
B
Also
in
this
one
tying.
These,
you
know
representative
periods,
more
specifically
back
to
the
city's
context,
statement
and
social,
his
periods
of
social
history
to
the
city's
context
statement,
and
then
this
last
one
we
did
not
propose
a
modification
if
it's
of
an
unusual
or
special
design
character
that
still
remains
and
is
open
to
the
interpretation
of
the
decision
maker
at
the
time
that
a
site
is
being
reviewed
and
then,
in
addition
to
those
sort
of
criteria,
we
wanted
to
kind
of
tack
on
these
additional
refinements,
and
you
know
tim
or
jill.
B
If
you
want
to
speak
to
these,
raise
your
hand
and
then
I'll
make
sure
to
like
let
you
talk
when
I'm
done
talking,
but
the
idea
here
is
to
further
refine
to
make
sure
we're
really
protecting
sites
that
are
you
know,
of
the
right
time
period
and
are
relatively
rare.
If
there
are,
you
know
50
craftsmans
in
arcatas,
we
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
protecting
them,
but
you
know
the
example
we
had
on
13th
or
11th
whatever
street.
It
was
a
couple
meetings
ago
with
the
stucco.
B
It's
an
unusual
style
for
the
area
and
that
warranted
additional
review,
also
condition
and
integrity
similar
to
what
tim
was
speaking
about
before
integrity
is
being
defined
as
sort
of
the
similarity
to
its
original
construction
and
its
retained
ability
to
convey
its
significance.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
wooey
one
you
know,
but
the
idea
is
to
make
sure
that
it
still
is
able
to
convey
the
significance
from
when
it
was
originally
constructed
and
tell
the
story
of
its
history.
B
B
We
just
had
a
meeting
today
about
a
site
that
we
plan
to
bring
to
the
committee
to
ask
these
exact
questions
and
see
if
staff
is
on
track
and
how
we're
planning
to
evaluate
the
resource.
So
those
are
you
know,
generally
speaking,
the
criteria
that
we're
asking
you
to
approve
tonight
and
after
we
get
through
this
point,
take
public
comment
vote
on
the
criteria.
I
will
run
us
through
each
site,
one
by
one,
but
that
ends
this
part
of
my
presentation.
F
When
we
did
this
process
gosh,
it
was
probably
about
six
years
ago
now
for
the
bayview
area
and
bill,
you
may
recall
jill.
I
don't
remember
if
you
were
on
the
the
committee
at
that
time,
but
we
had
a
you
know.
We
had
a
lot
of
you
know
properties
that
we
were
looking
at.
It
took
several
weeks,
the
the
folks
that
were
there
in
the
room
at
the
time
we
didn't
have
the
same
same
membership
throughout
the
entire
process.
F
You
know
folks,
weren't
noticed
that
this
was
going
on.
There
were
a
lot
of
problems
with
it
and
and
the
committee
at
that
time
decided
to
use
just
sort
of
like
a
majority
vote.
You
know
which
is
the
typical.
You
know
if
you
have
a
majority
vote,
then
you
know
that
that
leans
into
a
yes
vote
and
what
I
saw
in
reviewing
that
list
is
that
there
was
a
really
broad
diversity
of
you
know:
types
of
of
resources.
F
If
you
will
and
I'm
using
you
know,
air
quotes
around
that
that
that
ended
up
on
that
list.
That
list
was
never
adopted,
and
so
I
guess
to
improve
on
that.
You
know:
we've
done
several
things.
We've
made
sure
that
we
noticed
all
of
the
sites
that
were
potentially
under
consideration
that
were
being
recommended
by
you
know,
city
staff
and
our
consultants.
F
Early
on
so
folks
got
notice
of
this
meeting.
We
we
did.
We
actually
doubled
down
in
this
meeting
because
nobody
showed
up
to
the
last
meeting,
so
we
wanted
to
make
absolutely
certain
that
that
they
knew
about
it.
So
we
sent
each
individual
owner
a
letter,
so
you
know
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
public
participation
piece
is
there.
F
My
recommendation
to
the
committee
is
that
you
also
consider
a
slightly
more
robust
approach
to
voting
these
these
properties.
In
you
know,
this
decision
has
significant
impact
on
the
you
know,
the
owner's
ability
to
use
their
sites
as
dealer
went
through
the
pros
and
cons
and,
as
you
know,
mr
miranda
just
spoke
to
the
fact
that
you
know,
regardless
of
whether
you
are
you
know,
listed
or
not
it's
more
expensive
to
own
operate,
maintain
a
structure
once
you've
been
designated
historic,
and
I
know
I'm
preaching
to
the
choir
here.
F
I
know
you
all
fully
understand
that,
and
so
because
of
that
that
higher
significance,
I
think
you
know
ensuring
that
and
and
also
recognizing
somewhat
the
subjectivity
associated
with
these
decisions,
ensuring
that
the
entire
committee
is
in
agreement.
You
know
that
you
have
consensus,
vote
that
the
the
properties
that
you're
going
to
recommend
forward
to
the
city
council
as
historic
resources
that
that
you
have
that
consensus
amongst
you.
F
So
I
want
you
to
consider
that
that
you
know
the
fallback
position
is
that
no,
we
only
need
three
of
us
to
to
say.
Yes,
the
you
know
the
the
higher
standard
would
be.
You
know
all
four
of
us
or
when
you
have
a
fifth
member.
All
five
of
us
have
to
say:
yes,
this
is
a
historic
resource,
so
before
you
transition,
I
would
like
you
to
kind
of
discuss
that
and
deliberate
that
amongst
yourselves,
maybe
ask
some
questions.
If
you
have
any.
C
C
F
F
C
F
I
think
it
could
be.
You
know
I,
we
are
developing
this
process
and
setting
up
a
process
for
the
list.
That's
going
into
the
gateway
plan,
specifically
so
just
through
historic
resources
in
the
gateway
planning
area,
but
we
do
want
to
create
a
framework
that
you
know
that
is
similar
we'd
like
to
ultimately
go
into
the
rest
of
the
city
and
create
a
similar
list
throughout
the
city,
and
so
I
do
think
you're.
F
F
D
For
today's
purposes,
I
think
if
there
is
a
super
majority
that
we
achieve
and
all
four
of
us
agree
that
this
specific
site
is
historic,
I
think
maybe
that
would
be
enough
to
move
on.
But
if
three
of
four,
perhaps
that
comes
back
to
for
further
review
once
we
have
our
fifth
member
to
see
if
that
would
qualify
as
a
as
a
super
majority.
D
B
K
B
F
In
in
addition
to
that,
we
did
have
a
public
member
who
submitted
a
list
of
and
and
images,
I
believe
of
several
other
buildings
that
they
wished
the
committee
to
consider.
So
we
will
dig
into
that
in
more
detail,
but
it's
the
list.
It's
those
both
those
lists,
the
list
that
the
subcommittee
put
together
and
then
additional
sites,
potentially.
C
Yeah,
I'm
kind
of
inclined-
you
know
we're
just
there's
just
four
of
us
here,
so
this
isn't,
like
unanimous
decision,
isn't
exactly
shouldn't
be
hard
to
achieve.
I
don't
think,
and
if
we
do
have
a
disagreement
in
such
a
small
group,
that's
probably
worthy
of
attention.
I
guess
so
I
I'd
kind
of
go
with
jill
here
that,
even
though
I'm
a
little
worried
about
a
precedent
of
setting
everything
in
the
future
going
forward
forward
towards
consensus,
you
know,
especially
if
the
group
grows
a
lot
larger
for
the
purpose
of
this
meeting.
D
B
B
A
A
F
J
J
And
if
money
isn't
as
much
of
an
issue,
I've
noticed
on
a
recent
restoration.
They
use
marvin
fiberglass
windows,
which
seem
very
resembling
to
the
older
style,
wood
windows,
but
once
again
they're
kind
of
costly,
and
I
apologize
if
this
wasn't
the
right
time
for
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
in.
L
L
If
somebody
wanted
at
a
later
date
to
approach
the
city
and
register
their
home,
historic
and
they're,
not
on
this
list
now,
and
they
really
feel
that
that
they
have
significant
historic,
you
know
qualifications
for
their
house
does
their
home
does.
Could
they
still
like
apply
to
be
registered
historic
at
a
later
date?
So
that
was
just
a
question,
or
is
this
the
final
draft
of
what's
considered
of
importance
and
then
and
so
anyways?
That
was?
That
was
my
question.
Thanks.
F
A
I
think
we,
I
think
we
do
answer
you
know
and
both
questions,
whether
that's
now
or
or
after
any
other
comments.
Are
there
any
other
any
any
more
public
related
comments.
Well,
I
think
we
ought
to
you
know,
dabble
in
both
realms.
I
think
the
windows
is
a
good
question
and
on
a
lot
of
people's
minds
and
yeah
david,
so
your
help
on
this
would
be
great.
F
C
I
kind
of
agree,
I
think
that
you
know
big
points
you
made
there
and
I
think
david
said.
The
same
thing
is
why
we
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
allow.
Our
goal
is
not
to
allow
neglect
of
a
structure
just
because
somebody
can't
make
a
repair
or
or
or
an
improvement,
and
I
it
is
it's
going
to
have
to
always
be
a
case-by-case
basis.
Is
my
perspective.
I
think,
like
you
were
saying
david
for
assurances
that
you
know
whatever
was
put
in,
didn't
attract
and
that
could
be
used
as
well
bill.
C
You
know,
I,
I
think
if
you
know
there's
a
if
there's
an
obvious
need,
and
you
know
that
the
goals
are
or
me
are
worthwhile,
and
you
know
the
type
of
window
frame
being
put
in
you
know
can
seems
to
work
and
fit
within
the
context
of
that
structure.
I
think
our
committee
would
consider
that
and
and
probably
approve,
but
obviously
it
depends
on
the
situation
so.
G
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment,
my
my
personal
opinion
is
as
long
as
the
fenestration
stays
similar.
You
know
I
would
never
want
someone
to
put
a
horizontal
window
in
a
spot
where
a
vertical
window
was
I've
never
been.
I
I've
never
wanted
to
tell
people
that
they
can't
be
efficient
in
how
they
take
care
of
their
old
building.
So
I've
never
had
a
problem
with
people
replacing
unlike
kind
windows
in
properties,
knowing
always
that
that
at
a
later
date
a
wood
rep,
a
wood
reproduction
could
replace
that
vinyl
window.
So
that's
that's
all.
F
Yeah
just
super
briefly
on
the
other
question,
because
I
know
we've
got
to
get
onto
the
content.
I
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
intent
behind
this
effort
is
to
capture
the
historic
resources
that
the
committee
feels
are.
You
know
highest
priority
for
preservation
and
if
someone
came
forward
at
a
later
date
and
had
something
that
didn't
make
this
list,
because
perhaps
it
didn't
have
quite
the
integrity
and
was
willing
to
you
know,
make
those
improvements
and-
and
you
know,
list
that
structure.
C
I
would
even
say
you
know,
perspectives
on
importance
of
styles
and
shifts
over
time,
so
you
know
we
set
the
rules
now,
but
50
years
from
now
there
may
be
a
different
perspective
on
different
time
periods
too.
So
I
think,
there's
always
these.
These
lists
will
always
shift
and
change
over
time.
Just
based
on
this
point.
F
A
M
Hi,
I
just
had
a
question
that
wasn't
really.
I
guess
I
didn't
really
find
an
answer
for
yet
I
am
a
tenant
in
one
of
the
commercial
buildings
on
the
list
and
we
have
sort
of
a
giant
parking
lot.
You
know
front
and
center,
which
is
not
in
line
with
the
gateway
plan.
If
this,
if
that
building
was
added
to
the
historic
list,
would
that
affect
our
ability
to
do
something
like
put
in
permanent?
M
B
Well,
the
committee,
if
you
are
ready,
willing
and
able
it's
now
time
to
basically
have
a
member
of
the
committee,
make
a
motion
to
adopt.
You
know
the
the
evaluation
strategy
outlined
in
this
attachment
or
propose
any
modifications
to
it
before
we
get
into
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
discussing
the
sites.
A
B
B
B
B
B
F
You
know
I
would
suggest,
maybe,
instead
of
going
through
comments,
that
you
just
take
a
straw
pool,
because
if,
if
you're
in
uni
unity
without
unanimity
without
having
any
kind
of
conversation,
you're
probably
going
to
get
through
the
list
a
little
quicker.
And
I
think
there
are
certain
certain
of
these
that
you're,
probably
all
going
to
say,
yep.
That's
historic.
B
F
Well,
yeah,
I
think
a
quick
roll
call
vote
or
show
of
hands-
I
guess
jill,
maybe
you
don't
have
access
to
a
camera
right
now
and
one
other
addition
that
I
would
suggest
that
you
add
to
this.
Is
that
if
the
owner
of
the
property
is
here
and
would
like
to
speak,
that
you
allow
them
to
speak
before
you
take
your
straw
poll.
G
A
G
F
So
maybe
chair
and
committee
member
perry
can
indicate
their
agreement
to
that
and
then,
if
tim
or
jill,
if
you
have
you
know
second
thoughts,
then
you
can
indicate,
but
otherwise
we'll
just
check
him
with
the
two
open
it
up
for
public
comment.
If
the
owner
is
in
in
the
attendance
and
they
wanted
to
speak
and
then
you
can
get
through
those
pretty
quickly.
B
K
A
B
A
F
B
Well,
moving
on
to
this
next
one
we're
just
kind
of
like
breaking
this
beautiful
process
we
just
made,
because
these
were
sites
that
the
subcommittee,
what
didn't
necessarily
think
needed
to
be
on
the
list
but
wanted
to
check
in
because
of
their
connection
with
halyashi
and
wanted
to
get.
You
know
overall,
the
way
in
of
the
committee,
so
tim
and
jill
are
you.
You
know
still
feeling
confident
moving
these
forward
or
do
you
want
to
note
anything.
G
G
C
I
think
we
had
a
little
debate
about
the
purple
house,
mostly
about
you
know.
You
know
where
it
came
from.
Did
it
always
sit
there
and
such
I
think,
alex
kind
of
presented
some
information,
our
last
meeting
about
some
of
the
background
of
this.
So
I
I
think
you
know
these
are
just
kind
of
a
small
unusual
structures
existing
within
the
district,
and
you
know
they're
worthy
of
attention.
So.
A
I
I
think
that
these
are
examples
of
of
buildings
that
are
of
of
not
always
obvious
but
of
equal
importance
to
the
to
the
larger,
more
ornate,
more
obvious
buildings
that
we
might
all
raise
our
hands
to.
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
the
small
buildings
and
the
ones
you
might
not
even
see
going
quickly
by
they
all
have
stories
and
associations
and
history
that
at
this
time
in
in
our
you
know,
writing
writing
history.
A
A
I
particularly
like
the
little
yellow
building
and
those
windows.
You
know
that
might
be
an
example
where
a
change
of
those
windows
out
to
vinyl.
Maybe
it's
that
those
four
pane
divided.
There's
that
five,
you
know,
upper
area
of
those
windows
is
character.
Defining
and
you
know
so,
so
I
I
would
without
knowing
more.
D
I'm
going
to
trust
the
committee
on
this
one.
I
I
agree
with
the
comment
about
the
windows
and
the
yellow.
I've
been
in
both
of
those
buildings
and
they
are
unique
for
sure.
So
it's
funny
because
I
think
if
the
yellow
house
is
connected
to
the
recycling
center,
not
necessarily
the
haleashi
all
the
time,
because
I
remember
being
in
there
for
that
so.
B
And
I
believe
david
has
spoken
to
the
you
know
main
property
owner
for
the
site,
and
at
that
time
no
concerns
were
voiced.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
who
represents
the
property
owner?
Okay?
Well,
then,
we're
going
to
move
on
from
this
one
as
well.
So
this
is
the
last
sort
of
oddball
site,
and
you
know,
as
tim
has
mentioned,
this
one
has
actually
already
been
identified
as
historic
by
caltrans.
B
A
Well,
I
would
say
something:
this
is
one
of
my
favorite
things
about.
Arcata
is
the
invisible
railroad
that
goes
through,
and
I
will
often
stop
and
park
in
places.
I
know
the
railroad
went
right
through
the
car
and
asked
my
children
if
they
feel
or
sense
anything
different
about
parking
here,
and
they,
of
course,
always
say
no,
and
then
I
imagine
us
getting
clobbered
by
a
train
because
we're
parking
on
the
railroad
tracks
and
I
especially
like
crossing
the
river
tracks
on
samoa
boulevard,
where
we
have
to
slow
down.
A
A
K
F
F
You
know,
as
this
plan
develops
as
the
area
develops,
and
so
I
think
you
know
when
we
get
into
the
environmental
analysis.
It'll
be
important
to
you
know.
Have
the
committee
weigh
in
on
the
appropriate
kinds
of
mitigations
the
interpretive
signs
where
those
locations
where
the
important
locations
would
be
to
to
retain
or
which
areas
are?
You
know
acceptable
to
you
know
to
to
convert
to
other
uses?
K
B
Well,
moving
on
to
the
second
set,
and
I
think
these
ones
will
actually
go
pretty
fast.
I
don't
want
to
jinx
anything,
but
these
are
all
sites
that
both
the
subcommittee
recommended
and
were
identified
by
susie
van
kirk
have
a
fair
amount
of
research.
So
I
think
these
will
go
pretty
fast
and
bill
and
ron
I'll
be
looking
mostly
to
the
two
of
you
to
indicate
your
support.
B
Looks
like
a
thumbs
up
ron.
Do
you
have
any
comments
about
this?
One?
Okay,
that's!
Yes!
Second
one
is
the
miranda
house
I
do
know
we
have
the
property
owner
in
the
audience
with
us.
Today
I
spoke
with
him
earlier.
He
said
it
was
his
grandmother's
house
and
over
his
dead
body.
Is
it
being
redeveloped?
So
I
think
we're
good
to
go
on
that
one.
I
Welcome
back
brett
yeah.
No,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
That's
all!
That's
I'm
fine
with
it.
I
get
it.
You
know,
and
it
sounds
like
you
know.
Eventually,
if
there's
issues
or
you
know,
remodels
or
things
that
need
to
be
done,
we'll
just
have
to
work
together.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Fred.
A
B
Okay,
it
looks
like
ron
was
making
a
thumbs
up
bill.
Do
you?
How
do
you
feel
about
this
one?
Is
that
a
thumbs
up?
Okay,
you're
blurred
out?
Okay,
great
okay,
lord
house,
this
one,
I
think
david-
has
had
some
correspondence
with
the
property
owner
and
the
interesting
thing
about
this
one
is,
you
know
there
has
already
been
a
fair
amount
of
recognition
of
the
historic
nature
of
this
site
in
the
past
as
well,
so
we're
kind
of
recovering
old
ground.
With
this
one
david
did,
you
want
to
add
anything.
F
D
A
I
think
this
building
would
fall
in
line
with
other
buildings
of
its
similar
age
and
architecture
in
town,
and
it
is
what
it
is,
and
you
know,
but
that's
that's
where
I'm
at
with
it
is
even
though
we
we
designate
it
tonight
or
we
don't
designate
it
tonight.
It
doesn't
change
the
building's
integrity,
its
its
association,
its
architectural
characteristics,
so
perhaps
by
designating
tonight's,
the
the
owners
would
realize
at
some
point
in
the
future
that
we've
saved
a
step
down
the
road.
B
Okay,
so
we're
on
to
the
final
final
set
of
science
here,
this
one
is
an
interesting
little
guy.
I
don't
remember
if
this
is
one
of
the
sites
that
the
subcommittee
wanted
to
elevate
for
further
discussion
or
if
it
was
generally
supported,
but
I
think
it
already
has
seen
some
pretty
significant
alterations,
but
there
is
something
you
know
sort
of
special
about
it
as
well,
so
I
don't
know
tim
or
jill
if
you
wanted
to
add
anything,
I
think.
C
Jesus
talking
months
ago
now,
I
I
think-
well,
I
don't
know
I'm
thinking,
maybe
for
myself.
I
thought
this.
This
retained
characteristics
of
you
know
it's
retained
characteristics
of
its
original
style
here
pretty
well.
It
doesn't
look
special,
really
necessarily,
but
you
know
that
that
made
me
go.
I
was
kind
of
on
the
fence
of
saying
just
crossing
it
off
the
list.
I
guess
is
what,
where
I
would
have
been,
I'm
not
sure
if
jill's
can
speak
or
not.
I
I'm
sure
she
has
an
opinion
on
this.
C
Well,
what
was
your
perspective
on
this
chill?
I
think
I
mean
this
is
one
I
think
we're
kind
of
like
yeah.
I
don't
know,
maybe
not,
and
you
were
saying
no,
and
I
was
saying
maybe
yes
and
and
so
you
know
what
is
your
perspective
I
guess
like
mine
was,
I
felt
this
kind
of
you
know
still
has
you
know
characteristics
of
its
original?
I
guess
look.
G
C
B
A
C
F
You
know
I'm
not
sure
that
this
would
qualify
and
I
I
totally
get
where
you're
coming
from
bill.
I
mean,
I
think,
what
I'm
hearing
the
chair
say.
Is
you
know,
let's
not
just
look
at
the
victorians,
we
want
to
look
at
the
vernacular
as
well,
and
I
think
there
are
examples
of
that,
but
you
know
does
this.
F
You
know
I
feel,
like
you
know,
this
style
of
building
is
nearly
ubiquitous,
and
so
so
in
terms
of
the
the
you
know,
is
this
an
exemplary
representation
of
this
type
that
needs
to
be
on
the
list
or,
if
we're
going
to
have,
if
we're
going
to
set
our
sites
at
this
level,
do
we
mind
up
casting
such
a
wide
net
that
you
know
nearly
any
structure
in
this
you
know
built
in
this.
This
you
know
period
is
going
to
be
on
the
list
as
well.
B
C
A
D
K
B
B
C
B
J
K
F
Making
a
face
a
yes
face.
Okay,
I
want
to
I
want
to
point
out
on
this
one.
This
was
the
home
that
when
we
had
our
first
meeting
on
the
gateway
area
plan-
and
we
talked
about
historic
resources,
I
believe
this
is
the
home
that
tim.
You
had
made
some
points
about
some
of
the
modifications
that
had
happened
over
time
and
that
you
didn't
think
it
necessarily
fit
the
the
criteria
anymore
deal
on
this
one
in
particular,
can
you
because
you
know,
there's
a
real
poor
view
of
the
overall
site?
B
If
I'm
remembering
that
conversation,
I
think
tim
had
indicated,
you
know
this
structure
likely
would
not
qualify
for
the
national
register.
If
that's
the
threshold
we're
going
toward,
but
there
were
definitely
you
know
elements
of
it
that
you
know
we're
still
still
had
a
fair
amount
of
integrity
and
could
potentially
if
we
were
going
the
route
of
considering
contributory
structures.
That
would
be,
you
know,
maybe
the
most
appropriate
for
this,
but.
C
K
B
A
G
E
C
B
Excellent
yeah-
and
I
was
just
gonna
say
it-
is
nice:
when
the
average
you
know,
person
is
able
to
really
suss
that
out.
Okay,
can
you
guys
see
my
powerpoint
still?
Yes,
so
this
one
is
associated
with
the
railroad.
I
believe
it
was
along
the
rail
line
and
is
relatively
unusual.
I
guess
I
would
say
for
the
area,
it
definitely
is
old
and
cool.
B
B
You
know
narrative
of
our
local
history,
and
there
was
some
dialogue
about.
You
know
whether
or
not
to
list
this
one,
as
opposed
to
some
of
the
others
in
this
block.
But
this
one
I
believe,
if
I'm
remembering
correctly,
was
determined
to
just
have
the
highest
integrity
and
the
best
ability
to
kind
of
convey
its
significance.
As
we've
discussed.
I
Go
ahead:
brett
yeah!
No,
I'm
I'm!
Okay!
You
know
when
my
great-grandmother
got
this
house
at
least
what
I
got
heard
from
my
father
when
he
was
alive
was
it
it
was
as
it
was
now.
As
far
as
that,
back
two-story
was
added
before
I
think
my
great-grandmother
even
bought
this
property,
so
yeah,
I'm
sure.
Originally
it
was
just
the
front
part
of
the
house
and
then
like,
I
think
it
was
alex
or
whoever
talked
about
it
at
your
last
meeting,
which
I
just
I've
reviewed.
I
I
F
So
so
this
the
city
never
made
a
formal
decision
about
it,
but
it
was
treated
as
this
if,
if
the
site
is
historic
and
or
I'm
sorry,
if
the
building
is
historic,
then
I
think
the
to
answer.
Your
second
question
bill
and
what
the
discussion
will
be
around
the
when
the
item
comes
forward
is:
does
the
do
the
site
conditions
have
a
relationship
between
that
structure's
ability
to
convey
its
sense
of
history,
or
is
the
site
so
modified
at
this
point?
F
That
the
structure
itself
is
is
what
conveys
its
sense
of
history,
in
which
case
the
the
structure
could
be
moved
without
without
any
ir,
because
that
moving
the
structure
is
what
would
preserve
it
in
particular,
because
if
the
you
know
the,
if,
if
the
eir
route
is
pursued,
probably
what
the
eir
would
be
for
is
just
demolition,
so
I
think
those
two
those
two
issues
are
separate.
If
it's
historic,
then
there's
some
other
questions
you
need
to
answer.
If
it's
not
historic,
then
you
don't
need
to
answer
those
questions.
A
F
C
F
C
D
D
B
B
We
definitely
I
feel
like
of
all
the
sites.
This
is
the
one
as
a
full
committee
we've
had
the
most
discussion
about.
I
know
alex
when
she
was
still
on
the
committee
said
you
know.
Yes,
I
feel
like
it
does
definitely
convey
a
certain
era.
That
being
said,
it
is
somewhat
unusual
in
that
it
is
outside
of
the
four
eras
that
we
are
typically
setting
ourselves
up
to
adhere
to.
A
C
C
D
Well,
I
really
appreciate
jill's
comments
and
I
I
I
agree
that
it
does
represent
the
that
early
modernist
era.
I
was
my
only
concern-
was
that
it
didn't
fit
one
of
the
identified
architectural
areas
that
we
had
in
in
part
number
one
and
so
to
delo's
comment
earlier.
We
may
need
to
start
considering
those
or
mid-century
modern
in
the
future,
as
as
additional
elements
that
we
may
be
looking
for
within
the
in
our
community
to
make
sure
that
the
best
examples
are
preserved.
F
I
think
I'm
gonna
hold
my
comments,
but
I
think
we'll
we'll
definitely
need
to
bring.
I
was
gonna
sort
of
entertain
a
conversation
around
whether
you
wanted
to
modify
the
list
of
eras
in
our
original
criteria,
but
I
think
we
can
bring
that
back
around
as
we
get
to
the
historic
resources
element
of
the
general
plan,
and
I
do
think
that
there's
actually
quite
a
bit
that
we
need
to
discuss
about
about
that
mid-century
modern.
F
I
I
totally
don't
disagree
with
it,
but
I
think
it's
a
really
meaty
subject
that
the
committee's
going
to
want
to
spend
some
time
on
and
we
have
at
least
five
of
the
members
or
at
least
yeah
five
of
the
members.
I
think
in
the
audience
who
are
interested
in
the
very
next
topic
on
your
agenda.
So
I
don't
want
to
sidetrack
us
too
much.
F
Yeah,
with
with
one
quick
caveat
so
in
in
your
packet,
you
did
have
a
additional
sites.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
dealer,
there
were
additional
sites
that
were
submitted
by
a
public
member
that
they
wished
you
to
consider
those
sites
as
well.
Many
of
those
sites
and
and
dilo,
I
think,
has
the
exact
number
of
buildings
that
were
actually
included
in
the
original
list
that
the
subcommittee
had
considered,
and
so
before
we
move
on.
You
know
I
just
wanted
to
give
voice
to.
G
F
B
Okay,
so
yeah
thanks
everyone
for
your
stamina.
Here
I
appreciate
jill's
comments,
so
I
guess
what
we.
The
only
remaining
item
on
this
part
of
the
agenda,
is
to
formally
well.
I
guess,
yeah,
take
public
comment
and
then
formally
adopt
this
list,
as
presented
with
the
exception
of
545i
street,
which
was
voted
to
be
removed
from
the
list.
K
B
K
F
A
H
H
I
just
wanted
to
further
the
acknowledgement
of
what
quality
work
I've
just
witnessed
and
the
I
have
susie
van
kirk's
picture
on
my
one
of
my
other
devices
and
she's
smiling
bright
and
cheery,
and
I
just
wanted
to
appreciate
a
few
comments
and
just
the
fact
that
you've
increased
transparency
and
reliability
as
the
intention
for
interested
people
modifying
the
property,
and
I
just
also
want
to
acknowledge.
Thank
you
to
this
hard
work.
The
subcommittee
has
been
doing
on
this
on
this
tim.
Thank
you
for
acknowledging
the
integrity.
H
As
a
word
dilo,
I
appreciated
the
scenario
exploration
that
you
provided
in
your
wonderful
powerpoint
and
bill.
Your
comments
about
parking
with
your
kids
in
front
of
the
railroad
tracks
moved
me
almost
to
tears
how
lovely
of
an
image
that
was,
and
I
I
really
appreciated
that
and
that
you
physically
feel
something
you
ask
your
kids
to
physically
feel
something
or
if
they
do,
I
will
be
doing
that
as
a
habit
from
this
point.
H
On
ron,
thank
you
for
commenting
on
the
visible
and
visceral
part
of
the
train
tracks
and
that
you
recall
hearing
them
during
when
you
were
younger.
That's
a
wonderful!
That
was
a
wonderful
comment
that
you
made.
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that
and
then,
let's
see
bill,
I
appreciated
your
comments
about
the
lord
house
and
respecting
the
owner
about
that
and
about
the
acknowledging
the
importance
of
small
buildings
they
may
not.
H
They
may
might
not
seem
important
at
this
time,
but
they
will
illuminate
history
that
we
haven't
heard
of
yet
as
possible
as
a
possibility
in
the
future
david.
Thank
you
for
encouraging
the
committee
to
review
the
entire
structure
on
the
white
house
on
10th
street
that
that
really
helped.
I
it's
you
know
with
with
that
moment
of
process
and
then
I'm
gonna
and
jill
and
I
haven't
said
any
of
your
quotes.
H
But
you
know
your
your
sticks
and
carrots
are
always
a
good
one
in
my
brain
and
then
the
last
one
was
I
I
wanted
to
say
that
dilo
I
I
like
what
you
said.
You
appreciate
the
expertise
that
every
community
member
brings
to
this
process
and
I
want
I'll
finish
my
comments
with
that
comment.
I
I've
written
it
down
it's
my
new
favorite
quote
and
thank
you
very
much
for
this.
H
What
I
find
momentous
moment
in
this
process-
and
I
know
it's
a
long
journey-
I
commend
each
and
every
one
of
you
and
alex
as
well-
and
you
know
previous
members
who
have
participated
on
the
historic
landmarks
committee
and
again
I'm
been
staring
at
susie's
picture
the
whole
time.
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
indulging
me
with
those
comments.
E
K
F
F
I
want
to
respect
everyone's
time.
I
also
want
to
recognize
that
you
may
not
be
able
to
get
through
all
this
material
today
and
in
both
those
efforts.
I
will
be
very,
very
succinct,
and
so
I've
been
trying
to
be
consistent
with
my
presentation
on
this
matter.
I'm
gonna
breeze
through
some
of
this
just
put
this
all
up
here.
The
point
of
this
slide
is
to
show
you
that
we're
basically
reviewing
the
gateway
plan
with
all
of
the
committees
and
the
planning
commission.
Concurrently.
F
The
idea
is
to
within
three
months
of
our
start
date,
which
about
was
about
a
month
ago
to
be
able
to
collate
all
the
comments.
Bring
that
to
the
city
council.
Have
the
city
council
review
those
and
take
action?
Their
action
is
going
to
essentially
be
yes,
we
want
these
modifications,
but
we
don't
want
those
modifications.
F
I'm
telling
you
that,
in
order
to
prime
you
for
what
we're
going
to
do
with
these
changes,
it's
important
for
you
to
know
what
happens
with
your
your
comments
for
comments
that
are
either
affirming
the
existing
policy
that
they
lift
up,
that
existing
policy
or
their
non-policy
changes.
They're,
just
you
know,
grammatical
or
you
know,
restructuring
that
sort
of
thing.
You're
gonna
see
those
kinds
of
changes
in
line,
so
here's
an
example
where
the
planning
commission
said
they
wanted
to
see
this
additional
information
put
into
this
gm3c
policy.
F
We're
going
to
identify
the
source
by
color
coding,
green
is
now
the
planning
commission.
Maybe
you
know
historic
landmarks
committee
will
be
orange
for
policy
recommendations
that
conflict,
that
we
have
conflicting
recommendations
from
different
committees,
or
we
have
conflicting
recommendations
with
the
policy
body.
That's
already
in
the
general
plan
you're
going
to
see
those
listed
in
a
table,
so
it'll
look
something
like
this.
Where
you
have
the
element,
for
example,
the
gateway
element,
the
topic
might
be:
building
height,
we've
had
some
people
say
limit
to
three.
Some
said
four.
F
Some
said
six
you're
going
to
see
where
that
source
is,
and
then
staff
will
flesh
out
some
policy
implications.
If
the
city
council
chose
that
over
the
others,
so
you're
going
to
see
some
sort
of
framework
like
this,
for
the
city
council
to
be
able
to
walk
through
these
different
recommendations,
they're
getting
from
different
places
and
choose
amongst
these
competing
recommendations.
All
of
the
direction
that
we
get
from
the
city
council
will
ultimately
be
incorporated
into
finalized
documents
that
go
then
through
the
environmental
review
process
and
then
ultimately
can
be
adopted.
F
Timeline
that
we're
looking
at
is
you
know
over
the
course,
the
next
several
months
next,
three
to
four
months,
we'd
like
to
be
under
environmental
review,
and
so
that
means
we've
gone
through
the
process
of
the
two
rounds
from
recommendation
to
city
council
back
to
the
committees.
If
they
want
to
see
them
and
a
final
recommendation
and
then
moving
forward
from
there,
the
environment
review
process
has
a
timeline
that
it
has
to
go
through
and
we
anticipate
being
able
to
make
some
some
final
decisions.
F
You
know
in
the
spring
of
next
year,
there's
no
pressure
to
make
formal
recommendations
at
this
meeting.
You
can
continue
this
meeting
to
another
meeting.
You
can
form
a
subcommittee.
You
can
have
a
special
meeting
if
you
want
to
to
finalize
your
recommendations,
but
to
assist
you
in
making
that
discussion,
and
luckily
the
historic
resources
chapter
is
relatively
small.
With
very
few
policies
stilo
has
sent
out
this
table.
F
In
this
green
box-
and
all
of
you
should
have
seen
this
already-
the
general
comments
that
came
out
of
your
last
discussion
on
this
topic
and
then
each
of
the
policies,
that's
in
the
historic
resources
chapter
now,
the
ask
was
for
you
to
make
comments
on
these
and
then
supply
them
back
to
us,
so
that
we
could
convey
to
the
committee
in
this
meeting
what
it
was
that
each
of
you
said
so
that
you
have
a
place
to
start
from.
I
think
not
all
of
you
had
the
opportunity
to
do
that.
F
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
to
kick
off
the
discussion
is
maybe
just
ask
if
there
is
something
in
these
general
comments
that
anyone
would
like
to
revisit
and
maybe
put
forward.
As
you
know,
hey
yeah.
We
want
to
continue
these
as
a
formal
recommendation
and
then
going
into
the
policy
itself
and,
seeing
you
know
if
there
are
specific
policies
that
folks
want
to
talk
about,
you
know:
does
this
policy
fully
address
what
we
need
for
historic
resources
in
the
gateway?
F
F
So
that's
my
staff
presentation,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
them.
Otherwise,
I
would
suggest
you
open
public
comment
hear
from
the
public.
Their
ideas
and
thoughts
on
historic
resources
enter
your
deliberations
as
you
wish
to
and
continue
the
meeting.
If
you'd
like
or
formalize
a
recommendation
tonight.
A
Well,
it's
right
to
open
this
to
public
comment
at
this
time,
but
we
do
so
under
the
condition
that
our
commenters
are
are
respectful
of
our
of
our
committee
and
the
time
we're
spending
here
and
and
and
and
all
of
us
personally.
So
we
we
appreciate
the
public
participating
and
it
strengthens
us
as
a
committee
when
you
do
come,
and
so
if
there's
any
hands
david
will
see
that
and
now
will
be
the
time.
J
Oh
sorry,
just
one
moment
I'll
be
with
you.
I
was
just
wondering
at
this
point
if
the
creamery
district
might
be
considered
for
an
actual
a
specific
district
within
the
gateway,
but
that's
been
thought
about
it
all,
since
it
does
have
historical
significance
on
its
own
and
that's
my
primary
question
and
the
secondary
question
since
it
does
carry
over
to
the
devlin
cottage
neighborhood.
J
If
I
hope
I'm
not
getting
too
much
background
noise,
if
that
could
be
considered
within
the
purview
of
historic
landmark
to
consider
things
like
solar
shadowing,
it's
been
a
concern
with
there's
going
to
be
potentially
quite
a
few
large
structures
in
the
area,
and
I,
if
it
is
within
your
purview
of
discussion,
I
was
just
wondering
if
that's
something
that
could
be
considered
just
so
that
can
be.
You
know
possibly
clarified
and
I'll
keep
it
brief.
Because
I
know
you
have
a
lot
to
talk
about
tonight
and
thank
you
for
everything
you're
doing.
E
E
Regarding
your
comment
on
the
railroad
and
your
your
very
unique
ability
with
your
story
with
the
children
in
the
car
and
imagining
history,
and
all
of
that
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
in
the
community
with
that
l
street
corridor
or
whatever
we're
calling
it
at
this
point
and
the
historic,
the
relevance
of
that
area.
I
I
know
the
the
railroad
folks
have
a
dream,
a
vision
of
somehow
creating
some
kind
of
railway,
small
railway
system
for
tourism
and
other
things
that
can
maybe
incorporate
some
of
the
old
history.
E
You
know
old-timey
activities
with
walking
and
all
that
business
and
not
not
a
busy,
let's
hurry
and
get
the
fire
engines
in
the
ups
trucks
to
the
next
location
street.
You
know
try
to
maintain
the
historical
reverence
with
that.
So
I
I
know
that
that's
not
part
of
what
they
have
given
you
on
the
on
the
template
that
they've
shown
you
in
the
agenda
packet,
but
there's
some
other
areas
that
maybe
need
to
be
added
to
this
group's
specification
with
roadways
or
or
relationships
with
historic.
E
Reverence
on
how
that's
going
to
you
know
that
street
way
and
what
happens
to
that,
how
that's
going
to
fit
with
all
of
what
you
guys
truly
believe
in
I
mean
that
story
touched
me
like
moonlight
was
talking
about.
I
you
know.
I
have
that
same
sort
of
thinking
with
with
the
old-timey
stuff.
I
grew
up
in
wyoming
and
you
know
I
I
saw
a
bit
of
history
that's
much
different
than
here,
but
that
connects
the
railroad.
Thing
is
definitely
a
big
piece
of
arcade
chris.
E
H
F
F
Another
alternative
is
yeah
yeah
exactly
so
you
could
continue
or
if
you
feel
like
you've
reviewed
this
and
you-
and
you
appreciate
the
policy
that's
in
here
and
you
don't
have
comments.
You
can
also
just
continue
it
on.
I'm
sorry
recommend
the
policy,
as
is
that's
another
option
for
you.
So
I
have
three.
F
The
way
the
gateway
plan
is
structured
and
presented
in
its
draft
format.
Right
now,
the
community
is
going
through
all
of
this
work
right
now
to
identify
what
it
wants
to
see
out
of
development
in
the
future.
What
it
wants
to
see
about
preservation,
what
it
wants
to
see
about
circulation,
where
we
want
to
see
parks,
what
kinds
of
amenities
we
want
to
see
out
of
projects
and
then,
instead
of
having
each
project,
then,
once
we've
decided
that
come
back
and
then
go
through
a
discretionary
process.
F
That
they've
provided
the
amenities
that
the
community
has
said
that
it
wants
and
that,
instead
of
dumping
time
energy
and
money
into
a
public
process,
we
put
that
time,
energy
and
money
into
the
community
itself,
and
so
a
part
of
that.
A
critical
part
of
that
process
is
that
once
we've
done
this
work,
we're
doing
in.
In
essence,
what
we're
doing
is
one
massive
project
review
now,
once
we've
done
that
work,
then
projects
that
come
in
demonstrate
that
they
meet
those
objectives,
those
those
objective
standards
that
we've
outlined.
F
We
say
yes
to
them:
we
don't
put
them
through
another
process.
Now
that
minister
review
can
have
public
hearings,
that's
been
a
concern
of
some
people.
Well,
are
you
just
going
to
have
staff
members?
You
know
making
these
decisions,
you
know
behind
closed
doors.
We
can
have
notice,
we
can
have
hearings,
you
know
for
certain
size
projects.
It
makes
sense
to
have
the
you
know.
Planning
commission,
for
example,
make
that
discussion
and
decision
that,
yes,
we
believe
they've
met.
F
All
these
criteria,
check,
check,
check
and
then
approve
the
project
or
no,
they
haven't
met
these
criteria,
check
check
and
then
you
need
to
meet
these
to
go
through.
You
know
the
the
ministerial
process,
but
essentially
the
by
right.
What
that
means
is
that
that
landowner
has
the
right
to
to
do
that
project
without
having
further
decision
making
applied
to
that
decision.
A
F
Yeah-
and
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
the
streamlining
is
not
only
for
you
know,
because
some
people
have
been
a
little
cynical
about.
This
idea
of
streamlines
is
important
to
the
community
myself
in
my
life.
I
don't
have
the
resources
that
a
developer
has.
If
I
did,
I
would
want
to
bring
those
resources
to
bear
in
the
community
and
provide
for
them,
so
having
a
streamlined
process
would
make
me
happy,
but
what
I
have
had
the
pleasure
of
doing
is
is
needing
the
resources
that
a
developer
has
built.
F
I've
needed
a
house
to
live
in
I've
needed
a
building
to
go,
work
in
and
etc,
and
so
that
streamlining
also
improves
my
life
as
as
a
resident
as
a
non-developer
in
the
community,
and
so
it
also
creates
additional
transparency
that
we're
having
this
process
now
we're
having
it
full
open
in
the
public.
Everyone
can
participate,
and
so
I
I
don't
want
anybody
to
walk
away.
Thinking
that
you
know
all
of
this,
streamlining
has
just
led
to
you
know
a
giveaway
to
to
developers
it's
a
it's
a
synergy
and
we're
putting
on
the
table.
F
A
Appropriate
stream
of
mining,
the
creamery
district.
I
hear
that
word
a
lot
when
we
say
creamery
district.
What
what
sense
of
the
word
district
are
we
referring
to?
Are
we
talking
about
a
district
with
regards
to
sequa
cultural
resources
or
what
is
the
creamery
district?
Maybe
I
just
need
some
clarification.
What
that
is,
I
see
here
we're
talking
about
the
creamery
building
property
and
then
creamery
district
landmark.
C
I
think
it's
kind
of
related
to
that.
The
comment,
the
public
comment.
In
some
sense,
I
don't
think
we
have
a
historic
district
identified
right
now.
We
have
a
series
of
buildings
that
seem
basically
all
kind
of
interconnected
that
everyone
understands
to
be.
The
criminal
district
is
that
right,
david.
F
There's
I
mean
there's
a
sign:
you
can
come
up
on
to
7th
street.
It
says
you
know,
or
the
I'm
sorry
f
street
creamery
district.
This
way
the
creamery
district
has
boundaries
that
are
identified
on
you
know,
city
maps
that
were
largely
defined
from
you
know
the
the
process
that
we
went
through
to
create
those
zoning
districts
that
creamery
district
designation
has
a
you
know
an
important
it's
important
to
the
the
the
place
making
it's
important
to
that
neighborhood
as
a
specific
designation
of
of
place.
F
F
F
B
Well-
and
I
did
bring
up
the
areas
a
and
b,
if
you
guys
want
to
see
that,
but
I
did
want
to
just
note
too
that
I
think
jim's
comment
may
have
been
specifically
about
designating
the
parcel
itself
and
we
do
have
a
plan
development
overlay
that
exists
on
that
already
and
if
there
were
things
we
wanted
to,
you
know
modify
specifically
to
that
site.
That
would
just
be
a
separate
process,
but
it's
not
off
the
table
entirely.
I
wouldn't
think.
F
G
You're
about
to
lose
me,
so
if
we
want
to
take
a
vote,
can
we
talk
about
whether
or
not
we
want
to
do
this
at
a
separate
meeting
or
we
want
to?
We
want
to
deal
with
this
now
I'm
getting
kicked
out
of
my
office
because
the
cleaning
crew
is
here
and
I
can
drive
home
and
then
I
can
come
back
if
you
guys
are
still
here,
but.
C
C
As
for
the
guidelines,
I
think
we
do.
You
know
again.
The
idea
of
looking
at
other
types
of
architectural
styles
might
need
to
be
integrated
into
something
here,
maybe
because
it
is
referenced
through
some
of
the
items
down
below
too.
But
when
I
read
it,
it
made
sense.
I
thought
it
was.
You
know
the
guiding
principles
all
made
sense
to
me
and
they
kind
of
fit
with
what
we've
been
talking
about.
So.
F
I
guess
what
I
would
recommend
if,
if
the
committee
feels
like
they
have,
you
know,
do
not
require
additional
deliberations,
and
you
want
to
make
a
vote
on
these
policies
now
then
carry
that
forward.
But
I
also
want
to
respect
that
jill's
getting
kicked
out
of
her
office,
so
we
could.
We
could
also
pick
this
up
again
at
your
next
regular
meeting.
D
G
D
A
A
B
K
G
B
B
So
two
things
really
quick
one
at
our
next
meeting.
We
will
be
revisiting
the
historical
preservation
element
in
advance
of
that.
I
hope
to
get
the
draft
modifications
that
we'll
be
bringing
to
the
committee
to
the
tippo's
as
well.
If
they
want
to
weigh
in
or
maybe
even
just
sit
in
on
that
meeting
and
planning
to
offer
that
up.
Unless
the
committee
has
any
concerns
with
that,
so
we
will
begin
yeah
fleshing
out
any
modifications,
nothing.
You
know
extremely
out
of
left
field.