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From YouTube: June 29 Form Base Code Information Session
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June 29 Form Base Code Information Session
A
All
right
welcome
all
thanks
again
for
for
joining
us
today.
A
We're
pleased
to
be
kicking
off
sort
of
the
the
design
phase
of
the
gateway
area
plan
and,
starting
to
you
know,
do
some
outreach
and
engagement
on
what
the
ferry
could
look
like
in
the
future
and
so
we're
happy
to
have
all
of
you
join
us
today.
My
name
is
david
loya,
I'm,
the
director
of
community
development
of
the
city
of
arcata,
I'm
here
with
my
colleague,
dela
freitas,
senior,
planner
and
ben
noble
who's,
part
of
our
consultant
team.
A
That's
helping
to
pull
together
this
work,
as
well
as
some
of
the
the
general
plan
updates
that
we're
working
on,
and
so
we're
pleased
to
have
him
with
us
today,
he's
going
to
walk
us
through
what
form
base
codes
are
how
they
can
be
applied
in
in
arcata
and
what
the
permitting
pathways
could
look
like,
and
so
we're
excited
to
be
doing
this
phase.
A
Today's
presentation
is
primarily
to
try
and
get
information
out
about
form
based
codes
and
to
try
and
answer
your
questions.
There
will
be
follow-ups
and
subsequent
phases
where
we'll
be
doing
more
community
design
engagement
and
having
more
of
a
discussion
around.
You
know
what
what
should
be
incorporated
into
a
form
based
code
that
could
be
adopted
for
the
city
of
arcata.
A
So
it's
a
multi-step
process,
you're
not
going
to
get
it
all
in
this
first
meeting,
although
I
know
we're
all
very
anxious
to
to
see
the
results
of
this,
it
will
take
time
for
us
to
roll
all
of
this
engagement
out
and
make
sure
that
we've
got
full
participation,
so
excited
to
kick
this
off,
and
the
one
thing
I'll
say
before
I
turn
it
over
to
ben.
A
Is
that
part
of
the
reason
we're
doing
this
this
on
zoom
is
so
that
we
can
have
a
recording
of
the
meeting
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
we'll
be
able
to
use
this
in
a
couple
of
different
ways
to
reach
out
and
engage
with
folks
that
weren't
able
to
take
their
time
out
of
their
day
today
to
attend
this
lunchtime
meeting
realize
it's
a
you
know,
quick
turnaround
on
a
meeting
time,
but
you
know
and
also
kind
of
an
odd
time
to
have
a
meeting,
but
the
purpose
is
to
be
able
to
use.
A
This
recording
is
an
way
to
use
this
engagement
with
other
people.
So
to
that
end,
if
you
have
a
group
that
you'd
like
us
to
do
a
will
come
to
you
session
with,
we
can
bring
this
recording
and
do
do
basically,
this
exact
same
meeting
with
that
group.
A
B
A
B
Thanks
david
and
welcome
everybody,
it's
great
to
see
the
number
of
participants
that
we
have.
I
am
going
to
share
my
screen
and
then
endeavor
to
begin
a
presentation.
B
So,
as
david
mentioned,
my
name
is
ben
noble,
I'm
part
of
the
consultant
team
working
on
the
gateway
area
plan,
I'm
a
sub-consultant
to
plan
west
partners
on
this
work
and
I'm
based
in
the
san
francisco
bay
area.
I'm
really
delighted
to
be
working
with
david,
dilo
and
other
members
of
the
arcadia
city
staff
on
this
important
project.
B
So
this
presentation
will
be
divided
into
three
parts.
The
first
part
will
be
an
introduction
to
form-based
codes
generally.
The
second
part
will
be
to
speak
more
specifically
to
plans
for
the
gateway
area.
Form-Based
code
and
then
the
third
part
will
focus
on
a
particularly
important
aspect
of
the
code,
which
is
the
permits
and
approval
requirements.
B
B
So
I
understand
there's
a
lot
to
unpack
on
the
slide,
but
I'm
going
to
go
through
it
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
particularly
by
providing
examples.
One
way
to
think
about
this
is
to
compare
a
form-based
code
to
more
traditional
zoning,
similar
to
what
you
may
be
familiar
with
with
the
city's
land
use
code.
B
B
B
A
a
building
cannot
be
located
closer
than
15
feet
from
the
property
line,
for
example,
whereas
a
forum
based
code
tends
to
be
more
proscriptive,
whereas
identifying
what
is
desired
or
required.
An
example
of
that
might
be
a
build
to
line
where
development
is
required
to
be
located
at
a
certain
distance,
from
the
property
line
or
within
a
zone
adjacent
to
the
property
line.
So
this
table
is
another
way
to
help
think
about
the
differences
between
more
traditional
zoning
codes
and
form
basic
code.
B
Another
very
important
aspect
of
a
form-based
code
is
its
reliance
on
objective
standards,
as
I
mentioned,
and
state
law
has
a
definition
of
objective
standards
that
appears
in
various
locations
within
the
government
code
and
it's
on
the
screen
here.
An
objective
standard
involves
no
personal
or
subjective
judgment
by
a
public
official,
and
these
standards
are
uniformly
very
verifiable
by
reference
to
an
external
and
uniform
benchmark
or
criteria,
and
this
is
available
in
noble
by
both
the
development
applicant,
the
proponent
and
the
public
official
prior
to
some
rule.
B
B
You
might
find
this
kind
of
requirement
in
a
design
review
finder,
for
example,
an
objective
standard
that
addresses
the
same
issue
might
be
something
like
blank
walls
of
more
than
10
linear
feet
are
prohibited
along
any
street-facing
facade.
This
is
a
very
simplified
standard.
I
understand,
but
it
is
an
example
of
an
objective
standard
where
there's
no
personal
or
subjective
judgment
involved,
it's
something
that
can
be
verifiable
and
knowable
in
advance
by
an
applicant
city
staff
and
the
public
as
well.
B
B
It's
an
image
of,
what's
known
as
the
urban
world
transect,
and
this
is
a
concept
that
came
out
in
the
late
1990s
by
a
group
of
architects
and
designers,
known
as
new
urbanists,
and
this
group
aimed
to
promote
environmentally
sustainable
development
with
more
walkable
neighborhoods
with
a
wide
range
of
housing
and
a
mix
of
land
uses,
and
one
of
the
champions
among
the
new
earliness
was
an
architect
by
the
name
of
andrei
dulani
and
when
duwani
analyzed
the
state
of
cities
in
urban
form
in
the
united
states.
B
At
that
time
he
identified
traditional
zoning
as
a
source
of
many
of
the
problems
facing
urban
communities
in
america
in
terms
of
the
separation
of
uses
of
the
focus
on
allowed
land
uses,
rather
than
urban
form
and
ignoring
aspects
of
the
public
realm
and
place
making
objectives.
B
So
dulaney
thought
that
we
need
a
different
way
of
thinking
about
land
development
regulation
and
that,
instead
of
a
use-focused
zone
as
an
organizing
principle,
he
proposed
the
urban
to
rural
transit
and
this
concept
envisions
the
built
environment
as
a
continuum
of
place,
types
that
transitions
from
the
least
intensive
to
the
most
intensive,
and
each
of
these
place
types
or
transect
zones
is
defined
primarily
primarily
by
urban
form,
rather
than
allowed
land
use,
and
this
urban
rural
transect
provided
a
foundation
for
a
new
type
of
a
zoning
code,
referred
to
as
a
form
based
code
and
duwani,
and
his
firm
duane
plater
zeiper
was
one
of
the
early
champions
of
form-based
codes,
and
his
form-based
code
is
something
that
is
referred
to
as
a
smart
code,
and
so
you'll
see
smart
codes
around
today,
and
they
typically
will
establish
transect
zones
with
the
numbers.
B
T1
t2
and
t3,
and
where
that
comes
from
is
the
transect
concept
illustrated
by
this
diagram
and
then
so
moving
forward.
Today,
it's
been
about
25
years
since
the
first
smart
code
came
out
and
form-based
codes
have
evolved,
but
many
of
the
underlying
lying
principles
remain
the
same,
and
this
transact
concept
is
one
of
them
with
modern
form-based
codes
organized
around
a
series
of
place-based
districts
that
range
from
the
least
to
the
most
intense
so
on
the
screen,
I'm
showing
a
graphic.
B
So
most,
but
not
all
form-based
codes
are
applied
to
a
specific
geographic
area,
and
so,
as
such,
the
code
needs
a
map
or
a
diagram
that
shows
where
different
rules
apply
and
the
mechanism
that
a
form-based
code
uses
for
this
is
what
is
typically
referred
to
as
a
regulating
plan,
which
may
look
similar
to
a
zoning
map.
But
it's
different
from
a
zoning
map
in
a
number
of
different
ways,
and
what
I
have
on
the
screen
is
the
regulating
plan.
B
I
should
say
part
of
the
regulating
plan
from
the
central
petaluma
specific
plan,
which
was
one
one
of
the
early
form-based
codes
in
california,
and
one
of
the
things
that's
different
with
a
regulating
plan
compared
to
a
zoning
map
is
that
it's
not
just
about
districts
and
allowed
uses,
but
it's
also
about
the
public
realms.
B
And
so
this
is
an
important
foundation
for
any
form-based
code,
and
a
form-based
code
often
applies
within
an
existing
urban
area,
but
it
can
also
be
used
for
greenfield
greenfield
development
as
well
as
urban
infill,
and
to
create
new
neighborhoods
where
development
previously
didn't
exist.
So
here's
an
example
of
a
form-based
code
for
that
kind
of
a
setting.
B
It's
for
a
plan
and
a
code
I'm
down
in
southern
california
in
rancho
cucamonga,
and
this
is
a
code
for
a
new
neighborhood
on
the
edge
of
the
city
and
in
addition
to
establishing
districts
through
the
regulating
plan.
It
also
establishes
the
layouts
of
streets
and
open
spaces
and
how
those
are
connected
in
an
effort
to
create
a
complete
neighborhood.
B
B
Now
is
a
illustration
for
the
urban
neighborhood
one
district
and
you
can
see
characteristics
of
this
district
in
terms
of
building
width,
building,
depths
height,
frontages
of
the
homes,
the
streetscape
design,
as
well
as
the
roadways
and
here's
an
illustration
moving
to
a
more
intensive
residential
neighborhood,
where
you
can
see
different
building
types.
B
Different
treat
treatments
for
frontage
improvements
in
different
site,
layouts,
with
unique
building
typologies
and
again
here
is
an
illustration
for
a
neighborhood
serving
commercial
district
with
a
very
different
urban
form,
both
for
the
mixed
use
development,
as
well
as
for
the
residential,
only
development
off
of
the
main
street,
really
thinking
about
how
building
form
and
standards
for
the
public
realm
support,
place,
making
and
creating
complete
neighborhoods
and
then.
Lastly,
here's
the
most
intensive
district
in
this
code
for
the
downtown
setting.
B
So
for
these
different
districts
that
are
based
primarily
on
form
and
character.
A
form-based
code
will
establish
objective
standards
as
a
central
organizing
principle,
and
I
like
to
think
about
these
standards
as
being
organized
around
six
dimensions
of
prescription
standards
of
prescriptive
standards,
and
these
standards
typically
focus
on
how
buildings
relate
to
one
art.
One.
C
B
And
public
spaces,
as
well
as
the
public
realm,
so
it
starts
with
lot
configuration
and
building
placement
access
and
parking
building,
massing,
bazaar,
designs
and
other
site
features.
So
a
forum
based
code
will
address
all
of
these
different
aspects
of
urban
design
designed
tailored
for
each
individual
district.
B
As
I
mentioned
previously,
form-based
codes
are
often
very
graphic
in
terms
of
the
way
that
they
present
standards,
and
this
is
a
good
example
of
that.
So
on
the
left,
you
have
a
diagram,
that's
accompanied
by
a
table
on
the
right,
and
these
two
work
together
and
a
couple
of
things
I
think,
are
notable
about
these
lot.
Configuration
building
placement
standards
is
that
with
setbacks,
there's
both
a
minimum
and
a
maximum
setback.
B
So
here's
an
example
of
standards
which
require
parking
to
be
located
on
a
certain
area
of
the
property
behind
a
street-facing
building
and
establishing
rules
for
where
vehicles
can
access
that
parking.
Essentially,
if
a
property
is
served
by
an
alley
and
it's
an
interior
lot,
the
parking
access
must
be
provided
from
that
valley,
so
that
type
of
standard
is
also
common
within
base
code.
B
B
Form-Based
codes
often
are
very
interested
in
objective
standards
for
building
massing,
requiring
variation
building
heights,
establishing
maximum
building
widths
and
requiring
for
reduced
intensity
reduced
heights,
for
example,
when
adjacent
to
lower
intensity
residential
uses,
and
then
here
is
facade
design.
So
it's
the
design
of
the
skin
of
the
building.
B
B
Okay,
so
many
of
those
standards
may
be
familiar
to
you
to
you
if
you're
familiar
with
more
conventional
traditional
zoning
codes,
but
one
thing
that
is
very
unique
about
form
based
codes
in
a
way
that
it
departs
from
traditional
zoning
is
with
standards
for
building
types
on
the
screen.
B
These
are
some
illustration
of
building
type
standards
from
the
buffalo
green
code
recently
adopted
in
new
york
state
that
and
it's
showing
two
examples
of
building
types
on
the
left.
The
townhouse
and
our
right
on
the
right
is
our
stock
flats
and
this
sort
of
this
focus
on
building
typologies,
I
think,
reflects
a
lot
of
the
thinking
of
the
new
urbanists
and
their
work
on
smart
codes
and
thinking
about
in
different
place
types
and
different
types
of
neighborhoods
different
transect
zones.
B
Another
thing
that
is
emphasized
within
form-based
codes
is
something
that's
often
referred
to
as
frontage
types,
and
this
comes
from
a
focus
on
how
buildings
relate
to
the
public
realm
in
a
way
that
supports
a
pedestrian-oriented
environment.
I'm
really
thinking
about
the
relationship
between
building
facades
and
public
realms.
So
what
form-based
codes
often
do?
Is
they
identify
different
frontage
or
what
is
referred
to
as
a
terrace?
B
Another
thing:
that's
interesting
in
form
based
codes
that
when
it
applies
to
areas
where
new
streets
are
particularly
traditional,
so
a
form-based
code
being
very
focused
on
the
design
of
the
public.
Realm
will
often
contain
standards
for
open
spaces.
B
So
that's
sort
of
an
overview
of
what
a
form-based
code
is
what
it's
trying
to
accomplish
in
some
of
the
typical
contents.
B
B
An
important
part
of
the
petaluma
smart
code
is
standards
for
civic
spaces.
The
code
identifies
permitted
types
of
civic
spaces,
such
as
parks,
squares,
greenways,
plazas,
pocket
plazas
and
identifies
the
location.
The
permitted
location
of
these
different
types
for
one
sub-area
in
the
plan,
there's
actually
a
regulating
plan,
specifically
for
civic
space
that
identifies
the
location
of
required
civic
spaces
and
the
type
and
standards
that
apply
to
them.
So
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
probably
a
pocket
plaza
included
as
part
of
new
development
and
within
the
code.
B
There
are
standards
for
both
the
minimum
and
the
maximum
size
of
this
plaza
and,
I
think,
most
importantly,
standards
for
adjacent
building
furnitures.
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
why
reasons
why
this
publicly
accessible
open
space
is
successful
is
because
you
have
storefronts
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
and
open
out
into
this
public
space,
to
activate
it,
to
create
sort
of
a
welcoming
environment
for
people,
so
the
petaluma
code
also
regulates
by
building
types.
B
It
identifies
a
range
of
committed
building
types
and
the
location.
I
think
what
we're
seeing
here
is
an
example
of
a
main
street
building
type,
and
this
is
something
that
reflects
the
historic
development
in
central
and
downtown
petaluma
and
their
standards
that
are
attached
to
this
building
type.
There's
a
minimum
of
maximum
building
height.
There's
a
maximum
width
and
depth.
The
main
body
of
the
building
there's
allowed
frontage
types.
There
are
rules
for
parking
access
and
placement,
as
well
as
access
to
upper
level
residents.
B
This
is
something
again
that
came
out
of
the
new
urbanists
in
the
1990
andres
duane
was
a
champion
and
the
tnd
concept
aims
to
achieve
a
complete
walkable
neighborhood
defined
by
a
neighborhood
center,
with
a
mix
of
uses,
a
mix
of
housing
types,
an
inter
interconnected
street
network,
a
pedestrian
friendly,
streetscape
and
public
open
space.
B
So
in
chico
the
tnd
zone
was
applied
to
a
property
that
is
known
as
marion
park
and
the
project
and
the
property
is
currently
under
development.
And
what
you
see
on
the
screen
is
a
diagram.
That's
illustrating
the
different
parts
and
components
of
this
development
project,
so
here's
a
model
of
the
proposed
development.
That's
currently
under
construction.
B
One
of
the
requirements
of
the
tn,
the
zoning
district
is
that
the
regulation
regulating
plan
must
include
open
space
integrated
into
development
and
there's
a
standard
that
there
must
be
one
type
of
open
space
within
a
quarter.
Mile
of
ninety
percent
of
the
dwelling,
that's
in
the
development
and
the
code
identifies
the
types
of
open
space
that
are
allowed
within
the
tnd
designation
and
it's
up
to
each
individual
regulating
plan
to
come
up
with
a
configuration
for
the
open
space
consistent
with
this
requirement.
B
So
the
tnd
zone
also
identifies
allowed.
Building
types
here
is
a
rendering
of
one
of
the
mixed-use
buildings
within
the
miriam
park
project.
I
think
this
probably
is
classified
as
a
large
mixed
building
within
their
system
and
for
this
type
of
building.
As
with
other
building
types,
there
are
standards
for
building
placement,
minimum
maximum
height
parking
location
and
frontage
types,
so
the
tnd
zone
allows
for
and
calls
for
a
range
of
housing
types,
including
row,
houses
or
row
homes.
B
Standards
attached
to
this
building
type
include
bill:
2
line,
minimum
maximum
building
height
ground
floor
elevation,
parking
placement,
so
here's
a
photograph
of
housing
that
is
constructed.
The
other
images
were
graphics
and
renderings
of
plan
development,
but
this
this
is
a
courtyard
apartment
building
that
has
been
constructed
and
with
this
housing
type
within
the
tmd
code,
there
are
standard
related
to
central,
courtyard
dimensions
and
parking
location.
B
So
a
couple
more
examples
of
northern
california
form-based
codes.
Here's
an
example
in
grass
valley
in
the
fulfills
of
the
sierras.
B
This
is
a
code
I'm
quite
familiar
with.
I
do
a
lot
of
work,
indonesia
and
they
have
a
form
based
code
that
applies
to
their
downtown
main
street
and
surrounding
neighborhoods,
and
this
is
a
historic
district.
Benicio
is
a
very
historic
city
and
you
probably
know
it's
actually
the
location
of
the
first
capital
capital
for
the
state
of
california
before
it
was
moved
to
sacramento
and
for
the
district
that
applies
to
their
main
street
first
street.
B
There
are
standards
for
build
two
lines:
there's
a
percentage
of
the
building
that
must
be
built
to
the
build
two
line
along
the
building,
the
primary
street
front,
minimum
maximum
height
standards,
there's
a
first
floor
ceiling,
height,
there's
parking
location
standards
and
a
loud
frontage
types
with
standards.
I
think
the
building
that
you're
seeing
here
has
a
frontage
that
opens
out
onto
open
space
to
the
right.
B
You
can't
really
see
that
there
and
I
think,
that's
incorporating
what
would
be
referred
to
as
a
gallery
as
a
gallery
frontage
type
in
keeping
with
the
historic
character
of
development
in
downtown
indonesia
and
the
building
typologies,
and
that
one
defines
there
okay,
so
that
that
is
an
overview
of
what
a
form-based
code
is
and
examples
of
form-based
codes
from
california.
I
hope
that
was
informative
and
useful
for
you,
so
that
you're
coming
at
this
sharing
our
perspective
on
what
a
form-based
code
is
and
how
it's
been
used
in
other
cities.
B
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
going
to
help
us
as
we
move
forward
when
thinking
about
what
the
form-based
code
for
the
area
can
and
should
be.
So
in
this
part
of
the
presentation
I'm
going
to
move
into
why
we're
preparing
a
form-based
code
for
the
gateway
area
and
not
a
more
traditional
zone
or
some
other
approach,
we're
going
to
lay
out
some
guiding
principles
that
are
based
on
community
feedback
so
far,
and
then
we're
going
to
describe
where
I'm
going
to
describe
the
anticipated
contents
of
the
gateway
form-based
code.
C
B
Reflects
some
of
the
things
that
I
said
previously
when
describing
a
form
based
code?
Is
we
think
that
the
form-based
tool
code
really
is
the
best
tool
to
implement
the
vision
of
the
gateway
plan
and
to
produce
high-quality
housing
that's
desired
for
the
community?
We
think
it's
a
better
tool
than
a
more
traditional
zoning
regulations
and
and
a
form-based
code
we
think,
will
be
more
usable
with
graphics
that
are
easy
to
understand
and
to
use.
B
We
think
it
will
work
well
to
to
to
help
make
a
place
in
our
place,
making
efforts,
because
a
form-based
code
is
prescriptive,
saying
what
we
want,
rather
than
what
we
don't
want.
It
helps
to
create
a
desired
place,
unlike
more
conventional
there's,
an
emphasis
on
creating
quality
public
realm,
where
private
development
is
integrated
with
the
public
realm.
B
B
B
So
in
terms
of
the
housing
accountability
act,
this
law
has
been
around
for
a
while,
but
it
was
recently
updated
and
strengthened
by
the
legislature
and
essentially,
what
that's
says
is
that
the
city
cannot
deny
a
multi-unit
housing
project
or
reduce
its
density.
If
the
project
is
consistent
with
objective
standards,
unless
the
city
finds
that
the
project
will
result
in
a
specific
adverse
public,
health
and
safety
impact,
the
housing
crisis
act
amended
the
housing,
accountability
act
and,
among
other
things,
prohibits
cities
from
adopting
new
subjective
requirements
for
housing
projects
sb
35.
B
Many
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
this.
What
that
does
is
require
cities
to
allow
a
streamlined
ministerial
process
for
qualifying
multi-family
mixes
residential
development
that
incorporates
a
certain
percentage
of
affordable
housing
in
every
year.
In
the
legislature,
we
see
new
legislation
that
aims
to
streamline
residential
development
and
allow
more
development
by
right
and
one
of
those
that's
making
its
way
through
the
legislature.
This
year
is
ab2011,
which
would
require
cities
to
allow
buy
right
residential
development
in
certain
locations
in
districts
that
are
zoned
for
commercial
and
industrial
uses.
B
Part
of
the
way
that
a
form-based
proposed
form-based
code
does,
that
is,
increases
certainty
in
terms
of
what
is
allowed
and
what
is
required
and
that
in
itself
attracts
investment.
So
if
I'm
a
property
owner
thinking
about
maybe
developing
my
property
with
multi-family
housing.
If
I
have
certainty
about
what
is
required
of
me
and
what
is
allowed,
I'm
much
more
likely
to
go
down
that
path
of
developing
that
multiple
housing
and
where,
if
I
lack,
if
I
don't
have
that
uncertainty,
I
may
think
twice
about
moving
forward.
B
B
B
We
also
think
that
a
form-based
code,
because
of
its
emphasis
on
creating
a
quality
public
realm,
will
help
to
create
desirable
neighborhoods
that
will
attract
investment
and
additional
development
and
then,
lastly,
the
predictability
of
a
form-based
code
will
help
to
sustain
community
support
so
having
at
the
front
ed
and
an
agreement
on
what
the
important
standards
are
for.
Quality
development
will
help
sustain
the
plan.
B
It's
imperative
that
the
code
reflects
arcada's,
unique
visual
character
and
allows
for
our
diversity
and
building
forms
and
creativity
and
project
design.
The
code
must
require
development
to
support
pedestrians
friendly
public
realm
and
to
allow
for
a
car-free
lifestyle
consistent
with
the
city's
climate
action
goals.
So,
as
we
proceed
with
work
on
the
gateway
plan
and
the
form
based
code,
these
principles
will
guide
us
as
we
move
forward.
C
B
Up
the
mass
in
the
larger
buildings
into
smaller
volumes,
standards
that
require
variation
of
building
heights
and
standards
that
provide
for
sensitive
transitions
to
adjacent,
lower
intensity,
residential
uses,
exterior
design
for
this
forum
based
code,
I
think,
will
be
important
as
well.
Standards
for
windows
and
doors
building
entrances
articulation
roof
forms
we're
going
to
be
looking
closely
at
existing
development
in
arcata
and
seeking
public
input
on
aspects
of
building
design
that
are
important
to
address
in
with
more
based
code.
B
So
the
form-based
code
will
address
allowed
land
uses,
but
this
is
going
to
be
a
dramatic
departure.
We
anticipate
from
the
land
use
code
that,
as
many
of
you
know,
includes
an
exhaustive,
detailed
list
of
allowed
uses
and
permits
that
are
required
for
all
of
those
different
uses.
We
want
to
move
away
from
that.
B
So
we
also
anticipate
that
the
foreign-based
code
will
include
area-wide
standards
that
are
not
necessarily
district
specific.
Some
of
the
important
issues
within
the
gate
way
area
is
historic
resources
and
protection,
historic
resources,
protecting
environmental
resources,
promoting
arts
and
entertainment
and
adjusting
mobility
and
parking
in
the
gateway.
So
we
anticipate
many
of
these
standards
for
subjects
such
as
these
will
be
area-wide
and
not
necessarily
tailored
to
individual
districts.
B
B
Let's
say
if
you're
regulating
intensity
by
height-
let's
say
your
baseline
is
three
stories
an
applicant
can
choose
to
provide
defined
community
amenities
in
exchange
for
increased
allowed
intensity.
So,
for
example,
if
an
applicant
goes
beyond
minimum
requirements
and
provides
some
additional
community
benefits,
the
project
could
go
to
five
stories
or
six
stories
depending
on
the
nature
of
these
benefits
and
the
this
concept
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
incentive.
Zoning
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
value
captured
as
well,
and
it's
called
value
capture,
because
what
cities
do
is
they
say?
B
Okay,
applicant,
you
can
build
a
more
profitable
project
because
of
this
additional
intensity,
but
we're
going
to
take
some
of
that
value
and
transform
it
into
a
public
benefit.
It's
a
common
tool
that
many
communities
in
california
are
incorporating.
I've
worked
on
a
number
of
them.
One
of
the
ways
that
we
envision
it
envisioning
it
working
in
the
gateway
area
is
that
for
projects
that
provide
community
benefits,
there
would
be
buy
ride,
approvals
and
additional
height.
B
Okay,
so
another
part
of
the
form-based
code
would
be
permit
requirements,
and
that
takes
us
to
the
third
and
final
part
of
this
presentation,
and
it
has
its
own
part
in
this
presentation,
because
it's
particularly
important-
it's
particularly
important
part
of
the
code,
and
it's
also
particularly
important
for
our
decision
making
on
how
to
proceed
with
the
code.
B
So
the
permit
requirements
will
influence
the
contents
of
the
form-based
code
and
our
general
approach
that
the
code
takes
to
regulating
development
at
gateway,
so
we're
very
interested
in
public
thoughts
on
this
subject.
We're
also
interested
in
obtaining
planning,
commission
and
city
council
thoughts
on
the
subject
when
we
reached
that
point,
but
we
wanted
to
talk
to
you
today
a
little
bit
about
our
thinking
on
this.
B
B
B
So
essentially,
if
a
project
comes
forward
and
this
project
is
consistent
with
all
objective
standards,
whether
those
standards
are
within
the
zoning
code
or
the
general
plan
or
a
specific
plan
or
design
standards
document,
if
the
project
is
consistent,
the
city
cannot
deny
it.
It
cannot
reduce
the
density
unless
it
makes
this
finding
a
written
finding,
based
on
the
preponderance
of
evidence,
which
is
a
high
bar
to
hurdle,
and,
as
I
mentioned
previously,
state
agencies,
housing,
community
development,
as
well
as
the
state
attorney
general
general's
office,
is
actively
enforcing
on
this
law.
B
And
when
making
this
decision,
the
city
would
not
consider
project
compliance
with
subjective
requirements
such
as
design
review
findings,
but
the
city
can
consider
subjective
requirements
to
make
non-binding
recommendations
to
an
applicant,
and
this
may
seem
radical
and
this
may
seem
extreme,
but
it's
actually
more
or
less
what
state
law
is
already
requiring
arcata
and
other
cities
to
do
so.
Remember
haa
requires
cities
to
approve
a
project
if
it's
consistent
with
objective
standards.
B
So,
with
this
ministerial
process,
there
are
a
number
of
different
options
for
how
the
process
can
occur.
I'm
going
to
describe
three
general
approaches,
the
first
being
over
the
counter,
the
second
being
zoning
administrator
decision
at
a
public
meeting
and
the
third
being
planning
commission
decision
out
of
public
meetings
so
with
option
one
you
might
think
of
this
as
an
over-the-counter
process.
B
So
planning
staff
would
review
the
proposed
project
and
would
approve
a
zoning
certificate
for
the
project.
If
it's
consistent
with
objective
standards,
there
would
be
a
public
notice,
but
it
would
be
a
notice
of
pending
decision,
so
neighbors
and
the
public
could
come
to
the
planning
department.
Look
at
the
plans
and
provide
comments
on
the
project,
but
there
would
be
no
public
hearing
when
staff
makes
a
decision
either
to
approve
the
project
because
it's
consistent
with
standards
or
to
deny
it
because
it's
inconsistent.
B
There
would
be
the
opportunity
for
an
interested
party
to
appeal
to
the
planning
commission,
but
the
subject
of
that
appeal
would
be
limited
to
the
determination
of
project
conformance
with
objective
standards,
and
so
here's
a
diagram,
that's
sort
of
summarizing.
What
that
process
might
look
like
an
applicant
would
submit
the
project.
B
City
staff
would
review
the
project
for
compliance
with
submittal
requirements
as
well
as
objective
standards.
There
would
be
a
checklist
of
what
those
standards
are,
so
that
both
the
applicant,
the
city
and
the
public
can
know
in
advance
what
the
project
needs
to
comply
with.
There
would
be
a
public
notice
of
a
pending
decision,
and
then
the
zoning
administrator
would
make
the
decision
I'm
subject
to
appeal
once
the
p.
B
Once
the
appeal
period
ends,
the
applicants
could
submit
a
building
permit
for
the
project,
so
there
are
form-based
codes
that
incorporate
a
sort
of
ministerial
over-the-counter
approval.
I
think
one
of
the
best-known
ones
is
the
code
for
the
central
hercules
plan,
which
has
been
around
a
while.
That
was
one
of
the
early
form-based
codes
in
california,
and
so,
with
this
plan
for
projects
that
are
in
allowed
use
and
are
consistent
with
standards,
the
department
staff
would
approve
the
application
within
10
working
days.
B
Conformance
with
the
objective
standards,
but
would
make
this
determination
at
a
noticed,
public
meeting
and
so
at
this
meeting
residents
would
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
comment
on
the
project,
but
action
on
the
project
would
be
limited
to
whether
or
not
the
project
conforms
to
objective
standards.
It
would
be
the
sole
basis
to
approve
or
deny
the
application.
So
this
would
need
to
be
made
very
clear
to
the
public
that,
when
acting
on
the
product,
the
city
can
only
consider
conformance
to
objective
standards.
B
So
the
third
option
for
the
municipal
process
is
similar
to
option
two,
but
with
the
planning
commission
being
the
decision
maker
on
whether
or
not
the
project
conforms
to
the
objective
standard
so
like
with
option
two
there'd
be
a
notice.
B
A
public
notice
of
a
planning
commission
meeting
and
pending
decision
residents
would
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
comment
at
this
meeting.
But
again,
project
conformance
with
the
objective
standards
would
be
the
sole
basis
to
approve
or
deny
the
application.
With.
The
planning
commission
decision
being
appealable
to
the
city
council,
and
so
there
are
cities
who
do
something
like
option
three
that
I'm
aware
of
in
the
context
of
sb35
applications.
B
It
allows
for
increased
public
awareness
that
the
development
is
occurring
and
it
allows
for
a
public
assessment
of
project
performance
within
objective
standards
and
I'm
aware
of
one
such
process
in
venetia,
where
I
do
a
lot
of
work
and
actually,
tomorrow
night,
there
is
one
such
meeting
of
the
sb
35
oversight
committee
for
an
sv35
application.
So
this
kind
of
process
is
something
that
you
do
see
but
more
within
the
context
of
sp35
applications.
B
B
Our
assessment
of
this
is
that
the
ministerial
process
is
preferable
because
it
reflects
better
what
the
city
can
and
can't
do
under
the
housing,
accountability
act
and
we're
concerned
that
continuing
with
the
existing
design
review
process
for
the
gateway
area
will
generate
frustration
for
neighbors.
Who
would
be
asking
the
city
to
exercise
discretion
that
it
actually
does
not
have,
and
we
think
that
it's
preferable
to
work
with
the
public
at
the
front
end
to
establish
objective
standards
and
to
approve
project
ministerial
and
to
approve
projects
ministerially
upon
finding
that
they
performed
with
these
standards.
B
So
we're
really
interested
in
sort
of
having
the
community
conversation
about
the
permitting
process
and
the
ministerial
option
and
your
input
on
that
subject,
as
well
as
everything
that
I
presented
tonight
and
the
additional
outreach
work
that
we'll
be
doing
is
needed.
It's
necessary
and
it's
appreciated
and
there's
going
to
be
a
number
of
opportunities
to
participate,
including
an
upcoming
city
council
planning.
Commission
joint
study
session
on
community
workshops
and
a
range
of
different
online
engagement
opportunities
to
make
it
easier
for
everybody
to
participate
in
the
process.
B
A
We
have
about
20
minutes
to
to
address
questions
at
this
point
and
we
did
solicit
questions
in
advance.
So
I'll
read
off
the
couple
of
questions
here
and
we'll
have
folks
who
feel
best
prepared
to
answer
those
for
them
and
and
we'll
also
take
the
opportunity
to
add
to
each
of
our
comments
as
we
need
to
so.
The
first
question
we
received
was:
will
there
be
opportunities
for
the
community
to
participate,
developing
the
form-based
code
and
what
will
those
opportunities
look
like
and
I'll?
Just
kick
it
off
by
saying
absolutely?
A
There
was
a
follow-up
question
to
that.
Is
you
know,
will
the
revisions
to
the
code
be
based
on
community
participation
and
input,
and
how
will
the
revisions
be
presented
to
the
public,
and
the
answer
to
that
is
absolutely
the
process
works
in
a
way
that
allows
the
decision
makers
to
review
the
comments
that
that
individuals
are
making
before
they
make
their
decisions
and
those
comments
that
are
being
made.
A
The
the
input
that
we've
received
will
be
presented
to
the
decision
makers
before
they
make
their
decisions,
and
then
there
was
a
final
follow-up
question
to
that
and
like
to
open
it
to
the
rest
of
our
team.
Here.
To
add
to
any
of
these
three
questions
that
red
I
understand,
there
can
be
form-based
codes
with
exclusive
ministerial
review
and
also
form
base
code
with
full
or
some
discretionary
review.
A
So
part
of
ben's
presentation
was
tied
to
some
of
the
reasons
why
we're
suggesting
a
ministerial
review
process
and
those
could
happen
at
those
different
tiers
over
the
counter,
a
zoning
administrator
hearing
or
planning
commission
hearing
in
structured
such
that
the
larger
the
project,
the
more
you
know,
the
higher
level
of
scrutiny.
Their
options
would
be
with
you
know,
greater
level
of
public
participation.
A
Certainly
there
can
be
discretionary
review
and
I
think
that
the
the
answer
to
this
part
of
the
question
is
somewhat
lengthy.
So
I
want
to
move
on
to
other
questions
that
have
been
raised,
but
I
will
say
before
I
leave
this-
that
we
will
update
our
frequently
asked
questions
to
address
this
in
in
more
detail
around
what
that
process
would
look
like,
but
in
in
a
sense
or
in
the
highest
level.
A
What
it
would
look
like
is
a
planning
commission
hearing
where
those
projects
would
be
reviewed
by
the
planning
commission,
appealable
to
the
city
council
and
the
you
know.
The
community
amenities,
instead
of
being
optional,
would
only
be
tied
to
conditions
of
approval.
We'd
no
longer
have
the
structure
that
is
proposed
in
the
plan,
and
you
know
I
would
offer
that
some
of
the
community
amenities
wouldn't
be
allowable
under
standard
conditions
of
approval.
E
Well
for
the
engagement,
I
would
just
add
that
you
know
some
of
those
buckets
that
ben
referred
to
features
like
streetscape
parking,
building,
massing,
open
space,
facade
design.
Those
are
the
things
we're
going
to
be
pulling
the
public
on.
We
do
have
a
sense.
You
know,
as
ben
went
over
some
of
the
guiding
principles,
we
have
a
sense
for
the
things
that
people
are
wanting
to
dig
into
and
we'll
do
our
best
to
try
and
hit
all
those
things
and
incorporate
them
into
the
final
document.
A
Okay,
the
next
set
of
questions
that
we
received
beforehand.
Let's
see
this
one
says:
questions
for
ben
noble:
what
are
the
names
of
two
cities
that
you,
as
ben
noble,
consulting,
have
done
form
based
codes
for
and.
A
B
So
there's
two
parts
to
that
question.
The
first
part
example
code,
so
I
did
a
form-based
code
for
the
city
of
merced,
citywide,
sort
of
hybrid
code,
with
both
four
base
and
traditional
code
components.
B
B
A
lot
of
recent
work
on
objective
standards
for
residential
and
multi-family
development.
I
wrote
the
zoning
code
for
capitola
and
standards
for
the
mixed-use
districts
and
village
district
is
based
on
form-based
principles.
So
I
think
those
are
those
are
some
that
I
would
suggest
and
in
terms
of
the
second
part
of
the
part
of
the
question
you
know,
each
place
is
so
unique
and
I
think
the
way
that
you
know
we
would
not
take
a
form-based
code
prepared
for
another
community
and
try
to
superimpose
it
on
the
gateway
area.
B
A
Thanks
ben
the
next
question
is
about
how
much
time,
days
weeks
or
months,
have
you
been
in
arcata
and
in
your
opinion,
is
that
an
appropriate
amount
of
time
to
create
a
good
form-based
code
for
us
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
you
for
discussion.
I
do
just
want
to
let
the
community
know
that
you
know,
while
form-based
codes
are,
you
know
have
been
around
for
decades.
A
At
this
point
they
are
relatively
new
to
our
region
to
our
area
and
we
don't
have
local
consultants
who
prepare
form
base
codes
so
part
of
the
process
we
went
through
for
procurement,
for
a
consulting
team
required
that
they
bring
someone
on
who
had
knowledge
and
experience
preparing
for
base
codes,
and
so
I
think
part
of
this
question
speaks
to
you
know
really.
How
involved
in
the
city
of
arcata.
Are
you
second
piece
to
that?
A
That
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
all
of
us
are
very
familiar
with
the
city
of
arcata,
the
staff
that
are
working
in
this
on
this
project.
You
know
our
primary
consultant:
we've
brought
on
a
local
architect,
we're
also
engaging
with
the
community
you're,
all
very
informed
about
arcata.
All
of
the
decision
makers
are
very
knowledgeable
about
our
data
and
so
the
filter
that
recommendations
that
the
consulting
team
is
making
is
going
through
all
of
our
collective
local
experience
but
ben.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
address.
B
So
to
answer
the
question
I
was
in
arcata
actually
last
thursday
and
friday,
I
very
much
enjoyed
my
visit,
and
that
was
the
first
time
that
I
had
been
to
arcadis
since
the
pandora
I've
been
to
arcata
before
the
pandemic
a
couple
of
times,
and
I've
also
done
a
fair
amount
of
work
for
eureka.
So
I
visited
eureka
a
number
of
times
over
the
last
four
or
five
years
as
well.
B
I'm
also
working
on
a
number
of
other
projects
for
the
city
of
arcata,
including
the
lcp
update,
so
I'm
involved
in
city
matters
in
that
context
as
well.
But
you
know,
I
think,
as
david
mentioned,
that
I
am
part
of
a
team-
I'm
not
local,
but
I
bring
sort
of
an
outside
perspective
and
an
experience
in
form-based
code
that
enables
me
to
work
successfully
with
local
partners.
So
I
think
it's
working
great.
A
The
next
question
I'll
just
address
briefly:
it
says
how
far
along
are
you
in
developing
the
form
based
code
for
the
arcata
gateway
plan?
Are
you
just
getting
started
or
roughly
20
done
or
about
halfway
done
or
maybe
three
quarters,
and
there
are
a
couple
folks
that
have
their
hands
raised,
so
I
want
to
get
through
these
fairly
quickly
and
I'll.
Just
say
that
no,
we
are.
We
have
not
started
the
form
base
code
at
this
point
this.
A
This
is
the
initial
work
to
begin
the
engagement
and
I've
described
at
several
different
meetings.
The
reasons
why
we
haven't
started
this
earlier
so
we'll
move
on
from
there.
A
It
says
you've
done
at
least
some
of
the
form
based
code
for
the
gateway
plan,
correct
the
planning,
commission
and
the
public
have
been
waiting
for
months
to
see
any
sample
of
it
exactly.
When
can
we
see
a
chapter,
and
I
think
that's
just
a
follow-up
on
the
last
question
which
we've
already
addressed,
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
open
it.
A
D
D
I
mean
how
how
common
or
typical
is
that
you'll
have
an
area
zone
that
uses
the
form
based
codes
for
the
development,
but
also
run
parallel
options
for
traditional
zoning
for
projects
that
don't
match
the
form-based
code.
Is
that
something
common
that
happens
in
cities
that
are
using
these
form
based
codes
in
their
specific
areas?.
B
I
would
not
not
that
I'm
familiar
with
I've.
I've
seen
examples.
You
know
like
the
grass
valley
example
where
you
have
a
form-based
code
for
certain
geographic
areas
and
then
for
other
areas.
They
establish
suburban
neighborhoods.
You
have
a
different
code,
but
you
you
don't
see
two
sort
of
options
for
one
specific
area:
there's
there
is
the
development
standards
and
and
there's
really
one
one
set
of
rules.
That
applies
to
you.
In
fact,.
A
I
think
I
think,
ben
that
the
question
was
tied
to
the
way
that
we
have
the
standard
tier
that
goes
through
a
planning
process,
if
you're
not
building
out
to
community
tier
one
at
the
very
least-
and
you
know
just
to
address
that
from
the
the
concept
behind
that
was
in
part
to
recognize
that
this
really
this
area
has
an
eclectic
mix
of
different
uses
and
applying
you
know
a
form
that
would
require,
for
example,
a
single
family
home
that
wanted
to
do
an
addition
to
comply
them
with
that
form
without
having
another
process
or
to
require
a.
A
You
know,
development
that
was
intending
to
provide
say
a
hundred
jobs
to
the
area
that
wasn't
intending
to
build
any
housing
to
you
know
not
be
able
to
be
built.
As
a
result
of
that,
we
wanted
to
have
some
some
safety
valves
in
our
our
code,
so
that
you
know
all
of
these
different
project
types
that
aren't
necessarily
going
to
you
know
be
able
to
comply
with
the
form
still
have
a
pathway.
So
that's
that
was
the.
F
Hi
this
is
james
becker,
and
my
question
is
also
for
ben
noble,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
him
for
the
time
he's
spending
in
this
process
and
hi
ben.
My
question
is
related
to
I
specifically
live
in
the
gateway
area
and
we're
in
the
devlin
cottages
and
there's
four
of
them
on
seven
street.
F
A
number
of
potential
developments
on
a
few
sides,
and
the
thing
that
I
was
most
curious
about
is
form-based
codes
in
relation
to
siting
and
setbacks
and
in
terms
of
solar
shadowing,
and
I
realize
that
that's
something
that
is
definitely
can
be
addressed
through
form-based
codes
and
just
wondering
with
that
real.
F
You
know
situation
there
if
there's
something
that
you
might
give
me
as
far
as
ideas,
it's
historic
neighborhood,
so
it
kind
of
represents
an
area
that
may
or
may
not
be
addressed
as
that
and
and
just
as
far
as
you
know,
potential
looking
at.
F
Areas
within
those
of
course,
we're
looking
at
three
and
four
story:
buildings
and
everything
was
kind
of
appropriately
heightened
sighted.
So
but
it's
more
specifically
how
foreign
based
codes
might
address,
setbacks,
step
backs
and
solar
shadowing
and
that's
it.
I
hope
that
wasn't
too
long,
we
did.
B
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
definitely,
I
think
that's
a
high
priority
for
us
to
think
about
how
the
standards
address
relationships
with
existing
historic
properties
and
impacts
on
those
properties,
and
so
we'll
be
looking
at
a
number
of
different
tools
to
address
solar
impacts.
Things
like
reduced
heights
step,
step
downs,
you
know,
and
also
thinking
about
the
character
of
buildings
and
how
that
relates
to
historic
properties
in
terms
of
frontage
types
and
other
design,
treatments.
H
Hi,
gene
woodward:
this
is
a
great
presentation
I
wish
we'd
had
it
five
months
ago.
If
we
had,
we
might
have
dealt
with
a
lot
of
the
questions
and
issues
we've
had
it
there.
I
have
a
couple
of
different
questions,
one
you
didn't
actually
answer
when
we
would
see
a
draft
and
associated
with
that.
Are
you
going
to
provide
that?
Are
you
going
to
provide
like
pieces
like
streetscapes
like
massing?
H
A
A
Then
we
would
bring
back
a
draft
of
the
plan
to
then
you
know
refine
through
additional
public
engagement
because
of
the
you
know,
some
of
the
issues
that
have
come
up
around
potential.
You
know
pathways
for
for
approval
and
the
the
timelines
for
developing
some
of
these
documents.
You'll
see
the
you
know.
General
plan
come
out
first,
the
environmental
document
will
then
be
based
on.
A
You
know
the
project
description
that
that
the
general
plan
is
trying
to
implement
the
environmental
document
will
be
certified
and
then
we
can
start
proving
pieces
of
it.
There
may
be
elements
of
the
general
plan
that
identify
you
know.
You
know
new
codes
that
need
to
be
developed
or
implementation
measures
that
need
to
be
developed
to
implement
the
general
plan
and
one
of
those
implementation
programs
will
be
to
complete
the
form
base
code,
so
we're
running
a
little
bit
concurrently,
but
the
form
based
code
will
will
come
after
those
general
plan
updates.
H
In
other
words,
are
we
going
to
sit
down
and
have
a
discussion
on
the
specifics
like
how
tall
buildings,
how
massive
building
types
setbacks
the
percentage
of
the
property
that's
utilized
placement?
Can
we
have
a
process
to
go
through
those
issues
with
the
public,
like
we've
been
going
through
elements
of
the
land
juice
plant?
Okay,
because
that
would
then
allow
us
to
have
concrete
discussions?
Okay,
how
many
people
want
building
heights?
You
know
over
four
stories:
yeah.
A
Yeah,
I
yes,
the
public
will
have
access
to
all
of
that
and
the
decision
makers
will
too
before
they
they
make
decisions.
So
I.
A
Yeah,
okay,
over
the
course
over
the
course
of
the
next
couple
of
months.
We're
starting
the
process.
Today
is
the
first
day
that
we're
starting
to
talk
about
form
base
code.
You
know,
we've
still
got
some
decisions
to
make
and-
and
you
know
it's
going
to
take
some
time
for
us
to
go
through
that
process
and
we'll
continue
to
outline
what
those
you
know
when
those
deliverables
are
coming
out
and
when
we
can
start
sharing
them
with
the
public.
So
stay
tuned.
I'm
gonna.
A
C
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
I
really
ben.
I
really
enjoyed
the
well-paced
presentation
and
the
visuals
provided
in
the
powerpoint,
and
I
appreciate
that
this
has
been
recorded
and
will
be
posted
on
the
youtube
channel
david
since
we're
all
in
our
own
buckets
here.
I
was
just
curious
how
many
community
members
minus
the
staff
and
consultant
team
were
able
to
log
on
tonight
for
this
zoom
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
All
right
thank.
A
Yeah
and
to
answer
to
the
people
who
aren't
part
of
the
city
team,
we
had
18,
we
had
a
couple,
people
come
in
late
and
then
one
person
drop
off.
So
I'm
counting
a
total
of
20
public
members.
A
Okay
and
I'll
also
say
that
again,
you
know
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
but
I
want
to
just
reiterate
that
you
know
we're
going
to
hopefully
use
this
video
in
a
couple
of
different
ways
to
you
know,
to
message
this
information
out
to
the
community
and
continue
to
be
able
to
answer
your
questions
about
it.
So
you
have
immediate
questions
now
you
may
have
new
questions
later,
we'll
have
additional
opportunities
for
those
questions.
A
G
Hey
a
great
presentation
and
I
had
a
quick
kind
of
technical
question
on
the
senate
bill
35,
I
think
that's
great
incentive
to
to
provide
more
housing,
but
I
was
wondering
how
that
applies
to
mixed-use
development.
So,
like
you
know,
commercial
ground
for
residential
above,
does
that
same
like
design
review
waiver
does
the
same?
Permit
process
apply
to
makes
use
development
or
just
solely
residential,
and
if
so,
then,
how
do
you
incentivize
mixed-use
development
as
well.
A
Okay,
joan
is
still
connecting
so
jane.
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
you.
A
H
Ahead.
Okay,
sorry,
thank
you.
My
question
is,
or
it's
really
more
observation
based
on
the
issues
here
and
the
state
legislation.
H
A
Okay,
joan
it
looks
like
you're
not
able
to
connect
to
audio
I'm
so
sorry.
For
that
we
are
going
to
wrap
up.
I
would
say,
stay
tuned
for
additional
opportunities
to
you
know
to
continue
this
conversation.
This
is
kind
of
phase.
One
of
this
part
of
the
engagement
phase.
Two
will
involve
a
lot
more
design
and
we'll
be
able
to
start
digging
into
some
of
those
details
that
many
of
you
are
so
interested
in
digging
into
so
again.
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
today.
Ben.