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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Environmental Services Committee on Tuesday the 6th of January 2022 at 6.30pm in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We're
live
and
say
members
good
evening,
everyone
I'm
happy
new
year
to
you.
I
hope
everyone
had
a
good
christmas
and
stayed
safe
and
healthy,
and
it's
nice
to
see
us
all
on
tonight.
We'll
just
go
straight
under
agenda
tonight.
Our
first
item
is
apologies
and
we
have
received
an
apology
from
our
face,
chair,
alderman
kennedy
and
there's
no
other
apologies.
Yet
is
there
any
from
the
floor?
A
A
B
Thank
you
chair,
good
evening
and
good
evening
to
members
members.
I
did
mention
at
one
of
our
last
meetings
that
there
are
a
number
of
consultations
coming
through
from
the
northern
ireland
assembly
and
their
committees
on
this
members
is
one
relating
to
the
private
rented
sector.
It's
on
a
specific
piece
of
legislation
to
deal
with
what
we
call
notice
to
quit,
which
a
landlord
would
give
a
tenant
should
they
wish
to
take
possession
back
of
the
talented
property
members
during
the
covert
pandemic.
B
The
minister
for
communities
increased
the
length
of
time
for
which
a
landlord
ought
to
give
a
tenant
for
notice
to
quit,
and
this
is
further
embedding
those
requirements
to
proposal
within
the
new
private
tenancies
bill
members.
It
sets
out
some
various
timetables,
but
what
it
essentially
does
is
to
give
increased
protection
to
tenants
who
have
been
in
a
house
for
less
than
12
months,
an
increased
period
of
notice
of
intention
to
quit
for
those
between
one
year
and
10
years.
B
Members.
You
will
be
aware
that
our
housing
team,
our
public
health
team,
do
deal
with
a
lot
of
queries
from
both
landlords
and
tenants
around
tenancy
related
matters,
including
notice
to
quit
perhaps
threat
of
illegal
eviction,
threat
of
harassment
and
also
from
landlords
who
do
experience
matters
with
tenants
who
have
the
potential
to
cause
difficulty,
perhaps
with
rent
arrears
or
damage
to
property.
So
this
is
trying
to
seek
a
balance
to
look
after
and
try
and
to
protect
the
interests
of
both
those
parties.
Members,
the
appendix,
is
included
the
response.
B
I
would
ask
for
your
review
of
that
and
would
recommend
the
attached
proposal,
which
actually
says
that
the
council
is
in
support
of
the
proposal,
but
would
encourage
the
department
to
go
further
to
extend
it
to
12
weeks
to
all
tenancies
greater
than
five
years
and
to
build
in
some
protections
where
their
exemptions
may
be
required.
So
I
asked
members
for
your
review
of
the
proposed
response.
Thank
you.
C
C
However,
I
would
be
more
satisfied
with
12
weeks
as
a
minimum,
so
I
would
propose
the
12
weeks
rather
than
the
8
be
included
in
there.
Also.
I
understand
that
the
the
homeless
definition
is
currently
four
weeks,
so
it
would
be
good
to
include
that
to
align
with
the
same
period
of
notice
that
is
going
to
you
know,
come
forward
and
jillian
just.
C
B
Actually,
there
would
be
an
increased
fee
for
landlord
registration,
but
there
are
some
benefits
around
having
it
on
a
regional
basis.
So
those
options
are
all
being
explored,
but
thank
you
counselor,
pope
for
raising
that
allied
allied
issue.
If
it
is
something
that
we
could
add
into
this
as
a
commentary,
if
that
was
something
you
so
wish
to
do,
but
just
to
be
reassured
that
those
discussions
are
going
on
already.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
sir,
and
thanks
jillian
for
your
report
and
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
propose,
including
the
amended
recommendations
from
from
council
of
pope,
I
think
and
given
where
we
are
at
the
minute.
It's
it's
definitely
a
a
worthwhile
edition
and
julian
I've
have
a
question
in
relation
to
the
landlord
administrative
role
that
we've
been
taking.
Is
there
any
element
of
that
where
landlords
can
be
held
to
account
about
the
condition
of
their
gardens?
D
D
D
A
this
landlord
registration
and
the
administration
of
that
that
that
landlords
are
held
to
account
to
keep
their
properties
to
a
standard,
because,
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
properties
have
been
bought
for
renting
and
and
all
people
are
interested
in
is
that
is
the
cash
every
month
and
they
don't
even
you,
know,
sort
of
have
any
sort
of
as
a
supervisory
or
or
or
keep
an
eye
on
the
on
the
property.
So
that's
something
I
would
like
to
chat,
and
but
I'm
happy
that
the
recommendation
will
be
with
the
additional
amendments.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
the
matter
of
overgrown
and
unkempt
gardens
is
one
which
exercises
all
of
us,
and
particularly
within
an
area,
it
doesn't
do
anything
for
the
overall
appearance
of
a
general
housing
area.
It's
one
which
we
have
pressed
many
government
departments
on,
and
we
really
felt
it
ought
to
have
been
included
in
the
clean
neighborhoods
act
of
2012
and
unfortunately,
the
department
failed
to
bring
that
into
that
in
terms
of
the
landlord
registration.
B
We
could
seek
perhaps
when
it
comes
around
again
for
the
wider
review
of
housing
legislation
to
try
and
find
a
way
of
bringing
it
to
the
department's
attention
at
that
stage,
perhaps
and
around
housing
fitness.
So
we've
asked
for
a
review
of
the
housing
fitness
standard
and
some
wider
review,
so
we
may
find
a
better
a
better
place
to
sort
of
push
it
in
at
that
point
other
than
just
under
the
landlord
registration.
B
D
A
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
jillian
for
the
response.
It's
really
heartening
actually
to
see
this
come
forward.
I
know
northern
ireland
lags
behind,
and
certainly
scotland
in
terms
of
the
protections
that
we
have
for
tenants,
rights
and
security
of
tenure,
and
so
it's
welcome
to
see
progress
in
this
area
and
a
couple
of
small
amendments
just
sort
of
building
upon
and
what
councilor
pope
had
proposed.
E
If
members
are
in
agreement
in
terms
of
question
one,
I
know,
council
has
said
that
it
doesn't
agree
with
the
department's
view
that
it
would
be
acceptable
to
have
different
periods
of
notice,
for
tenants
and
for
landlords.
I
would
actually
concur
with
the
department's
rationale
in
that,
where
it
is
the
landlord
serving
notice
on
the
tenant.
The
tenant
has
greater
barriers
in
terms
of
finding
other
suitable,
affordable
accommodation,
particularly
when
people
have
been
in.
E
You
know
a
long-term
lease,
for
example,
maybe
they've
been
renting
for
nine
years
and
the
market's
changed
considerably
from
when
they
first
entered
their
tenancy
agreement.
I
just
think
it
it's
much
it's
much
more
suitable
to
have
a
slightly
shorter
period
of
notice
that
the
tenants
must
serve
on
the
landlord.
E
So
one
question
one:
if
members
were
agreed,
I
would
be
inclined
to
agree
with
the
department's
position
on
that
issue
in
terms
of
question
four
councillor,
pope
has
covered
off
the
12
weeks
and
I
I
would
agree
that
we
should
remove
the
reference
there,
the
council
being
satisfied
with
the
if
we've
noticed
to
quit,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
exemptions,
then
that
should
apply
in
question
five.
I
note
here
that
we
have
suggested
that
the
landlord
sell
on
the
property
might
be
a
relevant
exemption.
E
I
would
actually
say
that
that's
kind
of
self-defeating
for
a
notice
to
quit.
I
think
it
would
be
more
appropriate
that
that
was
removed
and
that
the
notice
period
would
apply
even
where
a
landlord
intends
to
sell
the
property.
I
think
that
that's
still
a
reasonable
time
period,
so
I
can
summarize
those
small
they're
pretty
small
amendments,
but
I
can
somewhere,
but
summarize
them
again
for
members
if
they
still
wish,
but
would
just
like
to
see
those
included
in
our
response.
Thank
you.
B
E
So
it
would
basically
be
so
I'm
just
pulling
it
up
here.
Do
you
think
that
there
should
be
exemptions
to
this
notice
period?
I
would
say
no
another
standard,
12
weeks
that
we
would
apply
and
I
think
it's
appropriate,
obviously
to
have
exemptions
where
there's
family
breakdown
or
there's
some
other
particular
reason
why
someone
needs
to
access
property
more
quickly,
but
I
just
think
seal
of
the
property,
maybe
defeats
the
purpose
of
the
notice
period.
B
Yeah,
yes,
yes,
sir.
Thank
you.
I
think
we
need.
I
need
just
to
make
sure
that
number
five
reflects
what
we
have
just
proposed
there
for
number
four
and
so
I'll
go
back
for
those
two
eight
weeks
where
it's
the
landlord.
We
should
say
that
should
be
remain
at
the
twelve,
because
we're
proposing
the
twelve
I've
got
that
right.
Thank
you.
Members.
A
F
F
I
am
protecting
myself
and
coming
across
more
individuals
and
families
where
landlords
are
using
the
excuse
of
selling
the
property
and
then
it's
now
it's
going
back
onto
the
market
for
a
higher
fee,
so
I
would
be
pretty
much
inclined
to
keep
it
as
as
the
12
weeks
as
it
is.
As
I
said
in
question,
four
and
thanks.
A
A
Thank
you
thanks
for
room
that
was
yeah
yeah.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
approach
her
and
sacrifice,
and
just
to
clarify
again
then
so
we
had
a
proposal
from
country
nicholson.
Also,
then,
to
write
to
the
minister
on
a
second
from
councilor
hawking.
I
think
that's
right
to
write
to
the
ministers.
Everyone
agreed
with
that
okay.
A
G
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
members
before
you
tonight
is
what
officers
have
suggested
as
a
response
to
the
dara
consultation
for
the
2032
biodiversity
strategy.
Up
to
that
time
period,
you
will
notice
again.
Members
of
this
came
in
late
on.
In
start
in
november,
we
asked
for
an
extension
and
they
grant
us
an
extension
to
mid-january.
D
D
This
landscape
recovery
project
has
been
launched
by
the
english
government,
which
is
about
nature
reserves
and
flood
plains
and
carbon
sequestration.
So
I
think
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
apply
to
this
and
a
and
basically
I
identify
that
you
know
our.
I
think,
we're
the
only
council
in
the
area.
We've
we've
got
a
an
agree
strategy
in
the
process
of
of
of
coming
together
with
with
lisa
on
malia,
et
cetera
in
the
in
the
economic
development
department.
D
So
it
would
be
good
to
speak
to
them
by
the
sea,
because
this
is
something
with
with
the
climate
change
bill.
That's
sitting
on
the
three
climate
change
bills.
So
to
say
that
I
sit
on
the
shelves.
Installment
is
this
is
very,
very
important
and
it's
it's
so
important
to
reply
to
this,
and
also
for
us,
as
an
environmental
committee,
to
maybe
look
at
what
braids
do
and
and
how
sort
of.
D
In
my
eyes,
it's
quite
a
straightforward,
simple
thing
that
could
be
something
that
our
our
our
foreign
community,
through
the
ufc
etc
to
be
brought
on
board.
But
one
thing's
for
sure.
Whatever
we
do,
the
farmers
need
to
be
center
of
the
solution
and
and
they
which
hasn't
been
the
case
with
the
current
climate
change
both
and
I
think
the
farmers
have
a
real
and
they
can
be
part
of
a
part
of
the
solution
and
not
the
problem
which
they're
being
put
straight
at
the
minute.
D
It's
something
that
is
very
much
a
in
people's
minds
and-
and
I
think,
generally,
everybody's
acceptance
that
there
is
a
climate
change
issue,
and
this
is
something
that
can
go
a
long
way.
So
I
think
it's
very,
very
important
that
this
this
is,
and
I
am
happy
to
pose
the
the
the
recommendation
here
tonight
in
relation
to
the
reply
to
the.
H
Thank
you
chair
thanks
for
this
report
and
it's
more
or
less
to
concur
what
the
previous
speaker
has
said.
I
was
happy
to
share
that
meeting
this
morning
and
it's
a
win-win
situation
for
us
all
and,
as
I
said,
I'd
be
happy
to
second
all
those
comments
that
council
nixon
was
just
after
saying,
so
thank
you.
A
Okay,
good
thing,
thank
you,
coach,
mcneil
and
everyone
agreed
with
no
other
hands
up
all
agreed.
Thank
you
and
4.2
and
4.3
are
information
items.
I'm
sure
everyone
has
had
a
good
look
through
them
and
some
have
already
been
speaking
to
officers
about
them.
Unless
anyone
has
any
further
questions,
a
couple
of
hands
up
here,
country
mcnail,
is
your
hand
still
up,
or
is
that
one
of
these
items.
A
E
Thank
you,
chair
yeah.
Look.
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
very
quick
thank
you
to
the
team
for
bringing
these
back
so
quickly.
They
returned
around
much
quicker
actually
than
I
than
I
anticipated
and
in
terms
of
the
allotment
issue
again
just
a
huge
thank
you.
It's
great
to
see
that
that
consultation
online
is
going
to
go
forward
to
ascertain
what
the
demand
is
in
the
community.
E
A
G
Yes,
thank
you
chair
in
relation
to
the
target
for
single-use
plastic.
Yes,
we're
even
towards
that
there's
going
to
be
a
number
of
changes
over
the
next
few
years,
just
widespread,
and
not
just
internally,
about
single-use
plastics.
So
you
have
extended
producer
responsibility
and
that
will
deal
with
a
number
of
not
just
single-use
plastic
but
single-use
items,
so
that
will
be
in
the
public
domain
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
G
We
internally
will
continue
to
push
on
this
if
there
are
things
that
can
replace.
But
what
we're
also
being
very
careful
of
is
we
don't
want
to
replace
one
single
use
item
with
a
slightly
better
single
use
item,
so
we
will
do
more
work
with
that
and
you're
quite
right.
That'll
come
back
to
the
the
climate
change
committee,
because
it's
all
intertwined
in
that,
but
we
don't
want
to
replace
something
that
with
another
single
use
item,
even
if
it
is
slightly
better.
B
I
Couple
of
comments
on
both
those
items-
fma.
Firstly,
yes,
I
agree
with
councillor
tennis
and
it's
marvelous
to
see
that
report
regarding
the
allotments
coming
so
quickly,
and
it
does
note
there
to
see
what
interest
it
is.
I
can
tell
you
there.
I
I
and
I'm
sure,
councillor
tannison
will
agree.
I
would
suspect
to
be
a
huge
interest
in
this.
We
we
have
there
I'll
give
you
an
example
right
there
in
the
center
poor
down,
there's
a
community
garden,
there's
a
vegetable
garden
right
in
the
middle
of
poor
down
down
center.
I
That
group
attached
to
that.
There's
200
members
and
some
of
them
are
growing
there
growing
at
home
learning
how
to
use
what
to
grow
learning,
how
to
make
different
products
from
what
they
grow.
Recycling
compost-
you
name
it
over
200
members
there
in
the
center
pour
down
you
know,
so
I
think
that's
a
good
gauge
of
potential
interest
and
we're
very
proud
of
the
guys
there
to
stay
and
they've
worked
very
hard
all
over
and
locked
down
two
doing
online,
as
well
with
their
gardeners.
I
And
this
other
thing
I
wanted
to
just
with
regards
to
4.3.
You
know
I
talked
about
this
a
number
of
times
by
and
it's
really
at
the
school
down
there.
It's
about
the
campaign
that
you
seem
to
run
there.
What?
Where
do
you
put
a
high
profile
awareness
campaign?
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
do
believe
barry.
We
did
talk
about
this
as
it
did
something
similar
did
happen
previously.
I
believe
in
in
greg
aven
old,
craig
avenburg
council.
I
This
borough
are
just
appalling
at
this
moment
in
time,
and
I
really
am
at
a
loss
as
to
what
else
can
be
done
so
well
done
on
that.
There's
a
quite
a
comprehensive
list
of
a
plan
there
and
we
look
forward
to
seeing
it
all
and
come
to
fruition
for
you
and
your
officers
a
huge
thanks
to
them.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
G
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
a
couple
of
things
from
from
from
the
counselors
there
the
allotment.
Yes,
we're
pleased
that
we
have
done
that.
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
with
the
survey
when
it's
appropriate,
it's
not
necessarily
appropriate
at
the
minute,
but
one
of
the
key
points
which
both
of
you
mentioned
was
about.
G
We
have
to
make
sure
that
if
this
is
an
avenue
that
we're
going
down,
the
positioning
of
any
involvement
that
council
have
with
allotment
is
key,
because
what
we
don't
want
is
people
who
are
wanting
to
have
an
allotment
and
grow
vegetables
in
relation
to
helping
their
environmental
footprint.
For
example,
we
don't
want
them
to
have
to
have
to
travel
large
distances,
but
therefore
we'll
have
to
get
that
gauge
and
that's
why
the
survey
will
be
really
key,
not
only
to
identify
need
as
a
collective
as
in
abc
area,
but
are
there
particular
pockets?
G
So
that
will
be
very
helpful
in
relation
to
the
the
cleanup.
My
staff
tell
me
that
when
it
was
in
craig
alvin
many
years
ago,
it
was
called
a
dirty
weekend.
We
may
change
that
name.
Who
knows,
but
yes
again,
it's
to
identify
the
fact
that,
although
we
cleanse
and
we
have
increased
fines,
etc,
etc,
there
is
still
a
behavioral
change
that
people
need
to
go
through
and
any
new
innovative
different
way
of
doing.
G
That
will
be
very
productive
and
julian,
and
I
spoke
about
it,
and
our
staff
have
already
looked
at
that
digging
out
old
files,
as
you
say,
in
relation
to
what
was
done
before,
seeing
how
we
improve
it,
see
what
benefits
can
be
had
we'll
also
talk
to
keep
northern
ireland
beautiful
and
we
get
as
much
publicity
as
we
possibly
can
around
it.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
F
I
gave
her
a
boy-
yes,
it's
just
on
4.3
the
single-use
plastics
on
the
refill
points,
and
I
think
it
was
a
number
of
years
ago.
My
colleague,
thomas
will
holland
brought
a
notice
of
motion
about
investigating
the
possibility
of
installing
these
units.
You
know
in
public
parks,
forest
parks
and
open
spaces.
You
know.
A
Thank
you
country,
thomas
said
I'm
getting
the
knowledge
here
that
will
be
done
and
come
back,
and
it
certainly
was
kind
of
a
discussion
at
that
time
around
these
refill
stations.
So
thank
you.
If
there's
no
other
hands
up
we'll
move
into,
can
I
ask
someone
we
need
to
go
in
the
combination
of
business
for
someone
to
propose
and
second
we're
going
to
commit
so.
A
Thank
you
connection,
members
and
online
viewers.
In
accordance
with
the
scheduled
six
of
local
government
act.
Exempt
information
will
now
be
moving
into
confidence
in
the
session
of
the
council.
This
means
that
we'll
be
turning
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
reinstated.
A
J
J
I
do
recall
I
mean
some
time
ago
where
there
was
two
sort
of
opposing
sides
of
full
council
and
because
they
made
your
presentations,
it
turned
into
quite
a
difficult
meeting
actually
because
there
was
no
right
to
reply
and
for
the
10
minutes
and
20
minutes
for
questions
and
things,
so
it
maybe
got
to
be
a
bit
messy.
So
I
think
the
group
were
happy
and
I
I'm
certainly
happy
to
propose
that
maybe
the
group
and
comes
the
committee
to
present
even
at
next
month's
committee
meeting
with
our
medical
services.
Thank
you.
E
E
I
would
be
of
the
mind
that
I'm
conscious
just
of
what
precisely
the
group
has
requested
in
the
letter,
just
maybe
replying
to
them,
to
give
them
the
option
of
where
they
feel
it
would
be
more
appropriate
for
them
to
present
happy
if
that's
full-time
so
happy.
If
that's
a
committee,
but
just
I
think,
it'd
be
reasonable
for
us
to
give
them
give
them
that
choice
themselves.
Thank
you.
A
J
Yeah,
I
discussed
it
with
I've
discussed
about
the
number
of
the
group
on
a
couple
of
occasions
and
after
speaking
to
the
chief
executive
as
well
and
then
went
back
to
the
group
and
they
were
very
content
with
that.
Actually,
just
the
letter
was
ready
at
that
stage,
just
to
present
the
of
committee
thinking
that
he's
probably
a
more
appropriate
place
for
this
particular
presentation.
A
K
Thank
you,
sir.
Yes,
the
normal
procedure
is
that
the
most
relevant
committee
is
where
a
group
like
this
would
come
to
present
and
I
think
that's
the
best
thing
from
time
to
time.
I
have
had
several
people
indicating
to
me
they
would
like
to
come
and
to
speak.
The
full
council
and
I've
always
said
well,
it's
appropriate
to
go
to
the
committee,
and
I
think
we
set
a
dangerous
precedent
if
we
go
down
this
line
at
the
moment,
so
I
would
support
and
second
counselor
baxter
in
relation
that
the
group
come
to
committee.
K
L
Yes,
chair
thanks
no
happy
enough
and
to
meet
the
group,
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
do
have
a
sort
of
a
balanced
and
informed
discussion
about
the
thing,
but
you
know
I've
no
issues
where
we
we
hear
that
information,
so
I'd
be
happy
enough
if
they
did
want
to
come
to
committee
if
they
were
happy
enough
as
a
group.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
country,
macaulay,
and
so
our
poster
and
sectors
have
all
agreed,
we'll
bring
them
to
this
february
committee
yeah.
So,
okay
and
I'm
sure
all
those
will
be
in
touch
with
them,
they're
relevant
channels.
Folks,
another
item
that
we
don't
have
on
here,
some
slight
some
good
news,
barry's
gonna,
bring
it
ronnie.
Take
a
brief
brief
moment
here.
G
G
There
will
be
a
campaign
outdoor
campaign
on
social
media
campaign,
about
recycling
rates
and
increasing
recycling,
and
that's
because
the
council
have
achieved
funding
of
two
thousand
seven
hundred
pounds
from
dera
for
that,
so
it's
a
small
grant.
So
again
it
just
helps
with
all
the
recycling
rate.
As
you
will
know,
northern
ireland
recycling
rate
has
been
hurt
in
relation
to
covert.
Ours
is
still
above
average,
but
we
don't
want
to
be.