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Armagh City, Banbridge and Craigavon Borough Council Planning and Regulatory Services Committee on Wednesday the 5th of October 2022 at 3.00pm in the Council Chamber at Craigavon Civic and Conference Centre
A
Okay,
members
you're
welcome,
along
to
your
October
plan
on
meeting
thanks
to
those
who
have
came
along
to
our
regulatory
Services
portion
of
our
business
today.
So
we'll
start
with
agenda
item,
one
which
is
apologies
and
I'm,
aware
of
counselor
Duffy
and
councilor
Michael,
Linden
and
Damian.
Mulligan
will
not
be
here
for
this
first
part,
but
he
will
be
here
for
the
second
and
we
were
of
any
others.
A
B
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
afternoon
members,
the
department
for
communities
wrote
to
the
Council
on
the
24th
of
August,
taking
views
on
the
proposed
lasting
of
old
balidine
mounts
which
incorporates
a
house
and
a
night
Building
located
at
31
old
mans,
Road
Banbridge,
a
copy
of
which
can
be
fined
at
appendix
one
as
the
time
frame
for
responses
closes.
Today,
officers
from
the
council
sought
an
extension
of
time
to
respond.
B
The
department
advises
that
the
heist
is
a
good
example
of
surviving
country
mounts
in
a
largely
original
setting
with
a
natural
slate
pitched
roof
single
glaze
sliding
sash
windows,
along
with
historic
detailing
such
as
rolled
and
lined
rounded
walls.
Two
third
coins
and
mold
plaster
surrounds
to
openings
with
a
two-story
rubble,
stone
art
building
to
the
rear,
all
of
which
are
of
architectural
interest.
B
The
buildings
are
located
within
the
countryside
outside
the
Seattle
development
limit
of
Banbridge,
as
defined
in
the
Banbridge
nyrion
Moore
area
plan.
A
plan
on
history
search
has
identified
one
historic
planning
application
affecting
this
property
for
alterations
to
the
dwelling
which
was
granted
permission
in
1975
and
a
more
recent
approval
for
proposed
dwelling
with
attached
guards
and
Stables
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
old
mounts
road
which
was
granted
permission
in
2019
no
constraints
have
been
identified,
affecting
these
buildings
are
exciting,
as
council's
views
have
been
sought
regarding
the
proposed
listing.
B
A
draft
response
is
attached
at
appendix
to
this
includes
the
planning
status
of
the
site,
the
planning
history
off
the
property
and
surrounding
lands
and
Advising.
That,
whilst
the
council
has
no
objections
to
the
proposed
listing,
it
would
be
supportive
of
the
property
owner
if
there
were
to
raise
any
concerns
in
relation
to
the
proposed
listing
of
the
property,
it
is
recommended
that
members
approve
the
draft
response
to
the
department
for
communities
as
I've
learned
in
appendix
tree.
Thank
you,
chair
and
this
item
is
for
decision
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
Thanks
Helen
anybody,
any
questions
I
want
to
direct
to
Howl
at
this
stage.
Yeah
it's
a
good
one
today,
but
I
was
wanna.
I
would
have
made
a
number
of
times
in
the
past
is
the
level
of
interaction
with
the
owner
and
on
a
note
that
the
property
is
up
for
sale
and
so
I
mean
with
any
lesson
that
does
bring
us
some
ramifications.
If
I'm
right
on
that
hell
and
I
may
well,
you
know
reduce
the
scalability
of
the
house
given.
A
That
is
the
fact,
because
we
do
see
a
lot
of
derelict
and
Leicester
buildings
rain,
the
country-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
safe,
the
costs
associated
with
restoring
them
and
as
being
very
prohibited,
matched
with
a
lack
or
a
suitable
level
of
form
in
order
to
protect
such
buildings.
So
do
we
know
at
this
stage
of
much
consultation,
has
been
carried
out
with
the
existing
owner
hell.
In
your
estimation,.
B
Thank
you,
HR
and
in
terms
of
department
for
communities
process
and
for
listing
of
building
Theory
consult
with
owners
of
the
property,
and
in
this
instance.
Obviously
the
property
is
up
for
sale
and
looking
at
the
state
agents
website,
it
does
appear
that
it
is
second,
so
really
beyond
that
and
I
would
be
unclear
A.
You
know
if
the
property
owner
would
have
actually
have
received
the
correspondence,
I
suppose
on
a
a
recent
search
this
morning,
a
on
the
estate
agents
website.
B
C
Thank
you
chairman,
as
you
can
tell
them,
but
to
stop
us
why
I'm
at
home,
I've
tested
on
it's,
not
the
cool
buses
I'll
live
in
Spears
would
call
it
just
sort
of
on
on
your
own
fear
that
Noah
favors
Banner
house
a
backward
and
stupid.
If,
if
wants
to
see
it
look,
greed
went
through
that
next
minute,
there's
a
there's
a
lesson
building
going
through
on
it.
B
Well,
yes,
by
all
means
a
if,
if
committee
would
like
made
a
mere
contact,
you
know
with
with
the
estate
agent
I
can
do
that
I
suppose
in
relation
to
the
listing
process,
a
you
know,
through
the
conveyancing
checks,
it
probably
wouldn't
be
until
actual
property
would
be
listed.
You
know
that
that
would
identify
itself.
So,
yes,
a
potential
buyer,
a
wouldn't
necessarily
be
aware.
You
know
that
this
has
gone
through
this
process.
B
A
D
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you,
yeah,
just
that
buildings
have
appeared
ironically
and
from
this
Committee
in
the
past,
on
the
due
course.
Some
concern
in
relation
to
the
upkeep
or
a
potato
maintain
the
Berlin,
but
it
becomes
listed
on
you
know.
Just
what
has
been
said
there
should
that
impacts
respective
buyer
or
need
the
president
owns
I
find
that
this
is
listed
on.
D
The
urge
us
for
a
lot
of
issues
are
preparation
or
whatever
to
be
carried
out
and
would
certainly
fall
on
on
over
who
the
owner
is
because
I
think
I
recently
listened
to
a
debate
on
radio
all
studio
in
the
big.
Sometimes
the
amount
of
money
is
available
for
listed
buildings
to
to
help
is,
is
next
to
nothing
and
eyebrow
concerns.
D
I.
Take
it
Helen
that
this
this
draft
is
basically
our
positioning
all
lifted
that
needs
going
and
going
back
yeah.
Would
it
be
an
idea
to
add
something
that
we
do
have
concerns
about?
This
Financial
burdens
are
put
on
a
present
owner
or
data
perspective
owner
in
the
future
that
we
would
have
concerned
so
depending
what's
asked,
for
it
would
cause
a
lot
of
what
do
you
call
it?
According
some
hardship,
pull
up
your
leg
on
on
the
owner?
That's
something
I
think
we
should
highlight
again.
D
A
Thanks
we're
back
to
our
draft
letter,
the
last
paragraph,
Was
sort
of
hinting
I
thought
I
knew
that
was
it
a
bit
hard.
You
know
some.
It
was
a
few
years
back.
You
know
when
I
got
Lane
where
we
say
and
we
would
be
supportive
of
the
property
owner
if
there
were
to
raise
any
concerns
and-
and
why
is
that
commenters
in
and
the
department
the
datas
were
less
than
you
know.
A
We
have
had
our
arguments
with
them
when
the
game,
the
committee
as
well
and
and
there's
there's
debate
around
I
watch
a
lot
of
took
on
board.
You
know
when
we've
raised
the
points
about
the
impact
that
you
have
Radley
said
on
on
owners
or
in
this
case
a
perspective
owner
and
what
you
know.
Your
comments
comments
are
noted,
I'm,
not
sure
if
you've
been
in
more
out
of
that
point,.
B
B
D
Thank
you
chairman
and
I.
Thank
you,
Helen
yeah
I
think.
Basically,
this
is
what
we're
saying
and
I
do
take
the
draft
there.
That's
that
we
have
going
forward.
I
do
think,
remember
because
of
Finance.
Is
it
possible
to
put
in
that
that
we
raise
any
concerns,
say
a
financial
or
otherwise
in
relation
to
where
we're
going
forward
here,
I
just
like
to
keep
happening
with
Fine
Art,
because
it's
really
pathetic,
not
the
department,
the
amount
of
money
they
give
or
listed
buildings.
D
A
Okay,
hell
in
terms
of
any
changes,
is
this
time
bind
in
terms
of
our
response
or
could
this
could
another
version
of
this
be
brought
back
and
just
conscious
in
terms
of
time
and
what
how
that's
taken
forward
you
know.
Do
we
bring
that
back
as
a
as
an
additional
paragraph
and
what
was
part
of
the
wider
ladder
that
has
been
sent
or
is
to
be
sent.
B
A
thanks,
Char
the
department
already
has
a
agreed
to
extend
comments
until
the
1st
of
November.
So
comments
were
initially
J
back
a
today
so
daily.
If
we
could
agree
it
at
the
committee
today,
I
could
alter
that
last
paragraph.
So
it
includes
a
the
financial
implications
and
the
burdens
put
on
owners
and
and
suggest
an
additional
paragraph
in
relation
to
a
that
waste.
A
D
A
E
Just
by
way
of
highlighting
the
key
points,
the
number
of
valid
applications
received
During
the
period
of
first
of
April
to
the
28th
of
September
2022
is
261
less
than
for
the
same
period
last
year
and
five
more
than
for
the
period
the
same
period.
The
year
before
the
number
of
applications
decided
During.
The
period
first
of
April
2022
to
the
20th
of
September
2022
is
39
more
than
the
same
period.
E
They
reported
on
X3
also
includes
information
relating
to
the
decisions
that
issued
During
the
period
first
of
April,
the
28th
September
under
the
council
scheme
of
Delegation,
the
number
of
planning
applications
received
during
the
same
period
and
the
number
of
applications
in
the
system.
The
report
includes
information
related
to
planning
enforcement
for
the
second
quarter
of
the
business
year,
including
the
current
number
of
live
enforcement
and
prosecution
cases.
This
is
an
item
for
information
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
D
Surely
that
we
think
or
I
would
think
that
the
time
we
come
to
is
the
age
of
design
or
always.
But
we
should
be
on
a
position
to
to
make
that
decision
on
the
day.
But
how
often
can
he
or
do
you
sort
of
withdraw
an
application
or
for
whatever
reason-
and
it's
just
causing
any
sort
of
sort
of
extra
work
for
the
staff?
Because
we
are
trying
to
get
on
top
of
things
and
just
to
concern?
They
would
have
okay.
A
F
A
An
approval
and
where
people
from
both
States
and
account
want
their
submissions
fully
considered
or
seem
to
be
fully
considered
on
the
11th
Hour
submission
isn't
going
to
be
considered.
Then
it's
so
I
get
what's
in
a
difficulty
that
we're
not
considering
it
or
not
seeming
willing
to
consider
it,
and
but
at
the
same
time
no
doubt
people
play
the
system
too.
You
know
if
you've
seen
proposal
there,
that's
maybe
going
to
fall
awkwardly
on
somebody
financially.
A
E
Thank
you
chair
and
look
I
appreciate
it.
It's
frustrating
for
members
who
have
maybe
sat
and
read
reports.
You
know
you
know
in
the
five
days
that
you've
had
them,
it's
frustrating
for
us
as
well,
but
unfortunately
we
are
buying
to
consider
any
information
that
we
received
before
the
determination
of
the
application,
and
certainly
you
know,
as
the
chair
said,
in
order
to
make
a
robust
decision.
E
If
we
have
additional
information
that
requires
further
consideration,
we
will
need
to
withdraw
from
the
schedule
and
do
that
if
it's
information
that
we
can
deal
with
by
way
of
an
addendum-
and
you
know
we'll
obviously
you've
seen
cases
where
we've
taken
addendums
to
you.
You
know
just
before
the
committee
Stephanie
what
that
information
is
and
why
it
does
or
doesn't
change
the
recommendation
we
will
do
so,
but
in
some
cases,
particularly
where
there's
quite
a
detailed
report,
you
know
third
parties
have
had
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that.
E
A
Yeah
I
suppose
it
does
tie
up.
Officers,
have
you
know
extraordinarily
in
terms
of
you
know:
they've
got
ratty
and
psyched
up
for
a
showdown
and
then
that's
took
off
the
off
the
fight
card
as
the
sand
goes
and
there's
not
the
wheel
and
all
our
monster
too,
and
so
it's
not
ideal,
but
any
such
an
imagination.
But
we
are
where
we
are
not
and
Oliver
honesty.
I'm
went
ahead
and.
D
Yes,
thank
you
turn
on.
Thank
you
very
soon
for
for
your
comments
and
angle,
lab
coming
out
here
is
Randy,
withdraw
or
how,
many
days
ago,
we're
getting
something
soon
in
the
last
minute,
like
surely
over
a
period
of
time,
of
of
kind
of
sort
of
time
to
get
their
their
concerns
or
additional
information
too
to
the
officers.
It's
just.
These
things
appear
just
more
or
less
with
that
a
few
days
that
last
one
that
said
a
web
Edition,
not
yes,
we
have
to
consider
it,
but
is
there?
D
Is
there
a
cut
off
time
or
is
there
something
we
could
say?
Look,
surely
that
needs
to
be
or
how
long
can
this
go
on
for
how
long
can
I
say
right
next
month,
additional
information
next
month
and
surely
there's
a
Time
that
we
went
to
make
a
decision?
Look,
you
can
bring
that
up
in
the
damn
number,
but
I
can
bring
it
to
you
and
that
the
application
go
on
it's
just
something
rather
because
of
the
numbers
off
today.
It's
really
more
highlighted
in
any
other
time.
A
G
Thank
you,
sir,
just
just
to
add
a
quick
question
just
in
relation
to
the
recruitment
process
and
I
know
that
we've
still
a
number
of
and
posts
on
a
no
we've
been
trying
to
do
some
things
differently
than
I've
done
the
past.
So
we'll
have.
Has
there
been
any
success
just
recently
on
where
we
are
just
next
year.
E
E
Some
of
them,
unfortunately,
are
tampering
posts
which
have
proven
harder
to
film
the
Funtime
posts,
but
certainly
we
are
at
pre-offer
stage
with
one
person
we
have
a
board
coming
up
that
we're
very
hopeful
will
fill
at
least
two
posts
from
that.
So
yeah
we
are
working
hard
with
each
other
to
try
and
get
those
posts
filled.
A
H
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
afternoon
members
item.
4.1
is
a
request
for
an
immunoba
development
of
30
develians
at
Bracken
Road
on
the
business
Key
Road
in
Korean,
and
details
are
contained
with
100
in
the
appendix
one.
The
airplane
is
preferred
to
name.
First,
development
is
Dragon
Villas.
The
applicants
I
mean
main
reason.
Is
that
there's
a
continuation
of
the
use
of
the
term
Bracken
as
it
has
become
synonymous
to
this
vacation?
It's
this
is
immediately
and
the
vicinity
of
bracken
Lodge,
brackenhall
and
Bracken
Meadows.
H
I
A
H
This
is
a
request
for
naming
of
a
development
of
12
dwellings
on
the
site
is
located
at
dramara
Road
monis
Lane,
the
junction
known
as
McBride's
Crossroads,
again,
the
master
and
appendix
2..
The
up
against
preferred
name
for
this
development
is
McBride's
close.
The
Alpine's
main
reason
is
that
the
sage
is
in
the
corner
of
the
McBride's
Crossroad
Junction
again.
Recommendation,
therefore,
is
members
approval
of
my
bridge
close
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
Members
may
have.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
H
H
Given
that
to
a
surprise,
in
the
in
the
month
of
September,
we
still
had
a
further
285
applications
with
an
estimated
notional
value
of
just
over
8
million.
So
overall
for
six
months,
we've
received
1723
applications,
which
is
20
more
in
the
same
time.
Last
year
it
dependent
context
we've
for
this
six
months,
we've
received
applications
well
in
excess
of
310
million
pounds
worth
of
construction
investment
into
our
area.
H
The
department
also
continues
to
deliver
the
conscious
probability,
certificate
function
for
the
convention
of
properties
and
the
first
six
months
we
have
received
and
administered
1961
new
applications
and
issued
2005
certificates
to
solicitors
and
agents
related
to
property
sales.
I
could
chose
reporters
for
members
information
but
I'm
having
to
take
any
questions.
Members
may
have.
A
And
there's
any
questions
in
particular
for
Tom.
Will
not
report
see
any
lights
on.
Thank
you
Tom
once
again
for
all
the
work
and
of
your
team
there
and
the
control
department
and
I
move
on
then
to
agenda
item
five,
which
is
a
confidential
report,
and
so,
if
you
could
have
a
proposal
in
a
second
or
to
move
into
confidential
postmaster
Salvage
cyber
counselor
McNally,
okay
members
I
have
to
read
the
following
statement:
members
online
viewers:
in
accordance
with
schedule,
six
of
the
Local
Government
Act
exempt
information.
A
We
will
now
be
moving
into
a
confidential
session
of
the
council.
This
means
that
we
will
be
turning
off
the
public
feed
of
the
meeting.
This
will
be
returned
when
the
meeting
is
restarted.
Can
I
ask
ICT
officers
to
please
turn
off
the
live,
feed
and
confirm
with
me
when
the
confidential
section
of
this
meeting
can
proceed.
A
A
Foreign,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I
read
the
following
statement.
Members
of
the
public
are
advised
that
the
planning
and
Regulatory
Services
committee
is
being
held
in
the
council
chamber
in
craigavon
Civic
Center.
However,
due
to
covert
restrictions,
the
number
of
persons
who
can
physically
be
facilitated
in
the
chamber
is
limited.
As
a
result,
members
of
the
public
are
only
able
to
view
the
meeting
on
YouTube
on
anyone
wishing
to
address.
A
The
committee
has
been
invaded
in
the
first
instance
as
an
attendee
via
Zoom
audio
recording
is
being
used
to
assist
in
preparing
the
formal
Minister
for
anyone
participating
in
the
meeting
consents
to
it
being
recorded
and
being
live
streamed
on
YouTube.
Also,
during
the
course
of
this
meeting,
questions
may
be
asked
by
counselors,
who
are
members
of
the
planning
and
Regulatory
Services
committee
or
planning
officers.
A
Applicants
for
planning
permission
objectors
are
those
speaking
on
their
behalf
and
the
actual
counselor's
Endeavor
tiosity
and
the
information
which
they
feel
is
necessary
to
enable
them
to
determine
the
application.
Every
member
of
the
public
sheet
note
that
counselors
will
not
reach
a
conclusion
as
to
whether
an
application
should
be
approved.
D
J
K
F
Yes,
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
just
as
the
previous
comments
and
I
wasn't
actually
on
the
counts
at
the
time,
and
this
application
had
started
the
process.
I
don't
know,
probably
to
any
of
the
the
previous
information
I'll
not
be
taking
part
in
any
decisions,
but
we're
still
remain
in
the
chamber,
but
I'll
not
be
taking
any
active
role
with
any
decision
making.
Thank
you.
I
M
I
N
O
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
submitted
to
the
kinds
of
the
23rd
of
June
2017.
A
timeline
of
the
progress
of
the
application
today
is
included
appendix
a
authors
have
taken
that
members
have
read
not
only
the
leaders
addendum,
but
also
the
original
reports,
and
all
that
DNA.
There
are
two
which
were
appended
and
which
set
out
the
full
context
of
this
application.
O
The
last
time
this
application
was
discussed.
The
plan
regularly
service
committee
was
in
13th
of
January
2021.
At
that
time,
it
was
agreed
that
the
application
be
deferred
for
further
information
regarding
the
potential
economic,
environmental
regeneration
benefits
erased
in
the
post-development
On
and
On.
From
that,
the
council
received
a
letter
from
a
third
party
objector.
The
latter
was
reviewed
by
the
council
who,
in
discussion
with
his
external
specialist,
TSA
planning
and
Oxford
economics,
considered
a
prudent
to
seek
further
information
from
the
applicant
on
the
matter
of
retail
impact.
O
A
synopsis
of
the
decent
information
received
is
as
follows:
an
updated
Town,
Center
health
check
for
Guilford
Town,
Center
information.
The
applicants
fall
back
a
session.
Further
information
suggested
better
betterment
Advanced
by
the
applicant
additional
information
respective
passing
trade
leakage
and
clawback.
It
was
requested
that
a
survey
be
undertaken
to
establish
Baseline
for
these
elements
and
an
update.
O
The
economic
impact
report
because
request
a
TSA
plan
to
carry
out
a
sharper
survey
to
help
inform
the
crisis
consideration
of
the
application
and
understand
some
of
the
assumptions
and
the
search
has
been
made
by
both
the
applicant
and
third
parties.
The
purpose
of
the
sharper
survey
was
to
understand
the
current
and
potential
shopping
habits
of
residents
within
Guilford,
and
the
methodology
employed
both
on
street
and
household,
is
stated
clearly
by
TSA
planning.
O
At
the
outset
of
the
show,
at
the
edge
set
of
the
sharper
survey,
which
has
been
provided
to
all
members,
it
should
be
noted
that
in
all
those
on
behalf
of
the
objectors
have
raised
a
number
of
points
in
relation
to
the
content
of
the
survey
and
then
also
the
methodology
implied
employed
by
TSA
planning
and
undertaking
the
survey.
However,
officers
are
satisfied.
O
The
spps
contains
a
dedicated
section
on
Town
centers
from
retail
and
replaced
retail
policy
that
was
previously
contained
in
plan,
a
policy
even
five
retailing
and
town
centers,
and
paragraph
6.271
at
least
a
series
of
regional
strategic
objectives
for
Town
centers,
including
to
secure
a
town
center
Force
approach
for
location
of
future
retailing
and
to
adopt
a
sequester
approach.
When
decision
making
the
application
proposal,
therefore
Falls
to
be
considered
as
a
Time
Center
use
for
the
purpose
of
the
policy.
O
The
findings
of
a
sequential
assessment
included
their
no
Town
Center
sites
and
the
subject
site
is
considered
to
be
an
edge
of
Center
location.
The
Proposal
is
for
a
better
station,
with
the
associated
shop
of
359
square
meters
fall
in
a
reduction
in
the
size
of
the
proposal.
Retail
support
and
statements
have
been
submitted
to
give
us
the
impact
in
Guilford
Town
Center
officers
remain
for
that.
A
retail
impact
assessment
is
not
an
exact
sense
and
involves
various
assumptions
that
it
stage
the
process,
while
the
spps
provided
framework
or
list
of
criteria
for
assessment
proposals.
O
The
fine
Learners
of
assessment
about
impact
of
retail
proposal
is
a
matter
of
judgment
for
the
council,
informed
by
the
statistical
analysis
analyst
provided
follow
me
on.
For
the
last
plan
regularly
service
Camellia
Southland
officers
requested
further
substantial
information,
including
guarantee
essay
plan
to
conduct
their
own
survey.
It
is
considered
the
application
the
applicant
has
provided
sufficient
information
and
responses
to
address
officers
comments
and
to
allow
for
a
balanced
assessment
of
the
resulting
retail
impacts
of
The
Proposal
I
sell
it
in
detail
within
the
report.
O
In
relation
to
this,
you
fall
back.
The
applicant
maintains
as
long-standing
position
that
the
existing
paper
filling
station
could
technically
be
brought
back
into
use,
but
it's
not
economically
variable
to
do
so.
Conversely,
the
object
was
stated
that
if
the
property
were
the
common
open
market,
at
least
one
other
retailer
would
prepare
to
reopen
the
existing
petrol
filling
station.
O
In
its
original
format,
authors
have
dependent
that
there
is
a
lawful
use
on
the
site
for
a
patreon
station
and
convenience
store
which
could
reopen
without
the
need
for
any
fresh
planning
permission,
and
this
representative
rather
fall
back
position.
A
significant
reach
before
the
applicants
fall
back
a
session
and
the
evidence
for
this
has
been
presented.
In
fact,
within
the
report,
the
postpartum
information
satellite
took
over
the
entire
State,
including
the
commercial
premises
to
the
rear
servicing
of
the
state,
will
be
undertaken
from
the
rear
of
the
service
vehicle
unloading.
O
Their
dedicated
service
entrance,
the
redeveloped
site,
extends
into
a
decentral
commercial
premise.
Career
was
acquired
formalization
of
the
division
of
parking
within
that
commercial
site.
Authors
note
that
there
is
a
claiming
free
of
business
to
the
rear
of
the
state
of
present
disclaiming
free
and
business
is
still
under
enforcement
investigations.
However,
negative
conditions,
16
and
17
as
per
report,
would
ensure
that
development
cannot
operate
onto
the
nasty
QR,
Park
and
serving
arrangements
are
in
place.
O
Our
Port
has
been
submitted
by
more
of
more
economics
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
and
the
survey
conducted
by
Tesa
plan
on
behalf
of
council.
This
has
been
critiqued
by
our
Oxford
economics
on
behalf
of
the
council,
Oxford
economics
appraisely
concluded,
there's
not
enough
evidence
on
the
rescue
of
displacement
of
spending
from
the
existing
premises
in
Guilford
Town
Center
I
started
in
detail
below
under
economic
in
the
report
under
economic
considerations.
The
funding
suggest
that
there
is
considerable
the
Bound
for
a
new
power,
Filling
Station
shop,
which
is
likely
to
attain
customer
spelling
in
Guilford.
O
He
has
also
noted
within
the
report
why
there's
evidence
a
new
pattern:
Filling
Station
shop
could
lead
to
some
displacement
of
spending
from
the
Town.
Center
is
largely
offset
by
the
larger
number
of
Spartans
she
test
and
they
would
visit
and
spend
more
in
the
Town
Center
on
balance
has
been
concluded.
The
proposal
will
lead
to
net
positive
impact
on
customer
spending
Guilford
as
a
whole,
with
no
significant
impact
on
guilford's
Town
Center.
In
conclusion,
therefore,
officers
considered
the
large
volume
of
support
and
Technical
information,
including
the
retail
impact
assessment
and
economic
information.
O
Says,
location
in
the
general
area,
so
it's
off
the
bound
Bridge
Road
there
outside
the
town
center
of
Guilford,
except
please
not
scenario,
period
of
the
post
site
and
that's
just
a
safe
location
plan.
As
you
can
see,
the
red
lane
extends
to
the
rear
of
the
site
and
existing
park
into
the
rear,
and
that's
imposed
side
layer
to
the
car
parking
for
the
development
here
to
the
front
and
then
the
service
into
the
back,
with
the
reconfigure
of
the
the
park
into
to
the
rear
of
the
site.
O
O
O
O
And
they
are
not
just
shows,
am
the
site
in
relation
to
town
centers
that
are
in
it's
like
yellow
there
you
can
see
is
a
town
center
and
our
site
is
within
100
meters
of
it.
So
we
would
consider
that
an
edge
of
town
center,
site
and
assistive
view
on
approach
to
Guilford
and
coming
from
the
bound
Bridge
direction.
A
P
I
think
we're
going
tonight
thanks.
Thank
you,
chair
and
you'll
be
glad
in
a
way
I
don't
intend
to
delay
you
too
long
and
I
think
it
shouldn't
be
too
hard
to
cooperate
on
this
matter,
because
I
think
it's
a
welcome
that
it
won't
take
too
long,
given
the
five
years
and
four
months
is
taking
us
to
get
to
this
stage.
P
Is
it
normally
High
whenever
we
look
at
the
services
and
provision
in
many
of
our
Villages
and
towns
in
the
surrounding
area,
I
think
we
should
look
at
how
that
impacts
upon
the
the
consumer,
because
in
the
process
The
Shopper
surveys
did
confirm
that
the
proposal
will
result
in
expenditure
which
is
currently
being
spend
elsewhere
being
spent
in
Guilford.
78
percent
of
those
that
did
respond
to
the
council
survey
say
that
they
would
spend
more
time
and
more
money
in
Guilford
as
a
result
of
the
proposal.
P
The
survey
also
said
and
confirmed
that
an
overwhelming
support
for
the
proposal-
some
99
of
those
responding
to
the
council
survey,
said
that
Guilford
would
benefit
from
The
Proposal
there's
also
economic
investment
in
jobs
here.
That
I
think
is
certainly
something
that
this
Council
must
take
or
accomplish
himself
going
forward
and
I
think
probably
inciting
the
time
today
that
we've
had
I
think
there
is
a
real
opportunity
now
to
pass
this
forward
to
ensure
that
we
can
restore
services
to
Guilford.
There
is
no
alternative
time
Center
site
for
this
proposal.
P
It's
an
appropriate
and
Redevelopment
of
an
existing
petrol
station
on
a
shop
site
on
the
edge
of
the
Town
Center.
It's
in
there's
an
odd
stack
need
for
it,
as
I've
said,
and
that's
a
welcome.
Investment
and
I
would
urge
countsters
here
today
to
ensure
that
this
application
is
in
line
with
the
planner's
recommendations
to
capture
the
benefit
and
support.
The
proposal
here
tonight
are
this
evening.
Q
Yeah,
if
I
could
just
add
for
the
next
minute
and
a
half
or
so
in
support
of
this
application
for
a
petrol
station
and
a
shop
in
Guildford
and
I've
asked
myself
two
questions
really
in
regards
to
this
is
this:
is
there
a
need
for
a
petrol
station
in
the
shop
in
Guildford?
And
secondly,
is
this
an
appropriate
proposal
if
I
take
the
second
one?
First,
is
this
an
appropriate
proposal?
Q
So
it
really
takes
us
to
the
first
question:
is
there
a
need
for
a
petrol
station
and
Shop
in
Guilford,
as
that
proposed
by
this
proposal,
and
the
answer
is
yes
both
locally
and
also
for
the
wider
Community
locally
and
you've
heard
it
from
Jonathan
that
we
are
losing
retail
from
from
Guildford
and
having
lived
in
Guildford
myself
I
understand
exactly
what
that
means.
It
means
people
are
going
elsewhere
to
get
what
they
need
as
opposed
to
shopping,
Within
Guildford.
So
money
is
lost
in
Guilford
and
The
Wider
Community.
Q
So
there
is
an
absolute
requirement
for
this
for
the
people
of
Guilford
and
also,
if
you
look
at
the
increased
population
projected
for
Guildford
and
some
of
the
other
planning
applications
we
have
for
Guildford,
you
can
see
where
this
need
will
get
greater
if
we're
going
to
Future
proof,
the
the
the
the
town
of
Guilford
and,
lastly,
of
course,
the
increased
jobs
The
increased
investment.
The
stimulus
to
the
Guilford
economy
is
all
very,
very
important.
Q
If
you
can
provide
jobs
for
people
from
Guildford,
if
you
can
provide
more
money
being
spent
in
Guildford,
you
do
nothing
other
than
improve
the
time
and
I
think
that
is
absolutely
key.
When
you
come
to
decide
whether
or
not
this
should
be
accepted
as
a
proposal
or
whether
you
should
not
but
I
say
totally
see
this
as
something
that
would
be
very
welcome
by
the
people
of
Guilford
and
The
Wider
Community.
Thank
you.
A
R
A
meeting
was
arranged
and
agreed
by
planning
officers
on
the
23rd
of
on
the
5th
sorry
of
September
2022
at
2
30..
The
officers
asked
in
advance
of
that
meeting
that
they
receive
written
material
to
inform
that
meeting.
That
was
provided
in
good
faith
and
without
hesitation
without
prior
notification.
The
meeting
was
canceled
on
the
5th
of
September
because
of
officer
on
availability.
No
issue
was
taken
without
by
my
clients.
These
things
happen.
R
R
They
received
no
reply
over
the
weekend
or
during
the
following
week
and
when
it
was
chased
up,
it
turned
out
that
this
might
have
been
listed
for
hearing
with
a
recommendation
to
approve
my
instructor.
Solicitors
wrote
to
the
planning
officers
and
asked
for
an
explanation
and
they
were
told
by
email
on
the
30th
September,
but
for
quote
reasons
of
prudence,
close
quote,
the
meeting
would
not
take
place.
R
I
have
had
the
honor
of
representing
this
Council
on
a
number
of
occasions
and
appeared
in
front
of
a
number
of
occasions.
My
clients
are
facing
significant
financial
economic
problems.
With
this
proposal
they
were
offered
a
meeting
twice
and
they
acted
to
their
detriment
and
in
good
face
to
inform
that
meeting.
R
You
have
prejudiced
my
clients
and
what
you
have
done
is
not
fair,
and
for
that
reason
we
sought
to
have
the
matter
adjourned
and
for
the
meeting
to
take
place
and
for
any
information
to
be
properly
updated
and
informed,
so
that
my
clients
and
their
expert
Witnesses
could
comment,
and
that
has
not
happened,
and
it's
with
very
considerable
disappointment
that
my
instructions
are
that
my
clients
and
their
experts
do
not
wish
to
participate
in
the
proceedings
because
of
the
unfairness
that's
been
visited
upon
them.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
Mr
Beatty
for
your
contribution
and
I
suppose
from
my
perspective,
given
that
a
number
of
issues
have
been
reused
there
and
in
particular,
allegations
of
on
furnace
and
issues
with
prudence
and
transparency,
I
myself
would
like
to
seek
some
legal
advice
and
I
know.
The
proper
procedure
within
that
is
to
request
that
we
go
into
into
confidential
and
I'm.
Not
sure
I
would
make
that
a
proposal
that
we
do
go
into
confidential.
In
order
to
have
a
number
of
questions
answered
and
I
make
that
a
proposal,
foreign.
A
A
So
at
the
stage
and
I'm
going
to
move
all
of
those
members
of
the
public
and
counselors
who
are
attending
the
planning
and
Regulatory
Services
committee
by
a
zoom
to
assume
waiting
room,
those
using
the
dial-in
service
will
be
asked
to
leave
the
room
to
enable
the
community
to
obtain
legal
advice
from
its
legal
advisor.
Any
member
of
the
committee
who
has
spoken
as
a
supporter
or
objector
to
the
application
under
consideration
will
also
be
asked
to
leave
the
room.
A
The
advice
provided
will
relate
only
to
legal
matters
and
no
discussion
of
the
merits
of
the
plowing
application.
Neither
force
will
take
place
until
the
public
element
of
the
meeting
resumes
and
you
have
been
moved
back
into
the
meeting
or
taken
off
any
legal
advice
provided
is
confidential
and
all
members
of
the
committee
Who
Remain
are
obliged
to
preserve
that
confidentiality.
An
official
will
readmit
all
those
required
now
either
leave
the
room
and
those
on
Zoom
will
be
readmitted
to
the
meeting
once
provision
of
legal
waste
has
concluded.
A
Foreign,
thank
you.
Okay,
members
you're
welcome
back
to
our
plowing
meeting
and
we
did
break
there
for
some
legal
advice
and
discussion
around
points
that
have
been
made
both
by
student,
bdqc
and
and
he
was
appearing
in
support
of
the
objectors
and
also
we
had
and
points
of
arteries
by
Stephen
Shaw
QC,
who
is
here
in
support
of
the
Art
Market.
So
in
order
to
suppose
a
data
openly
and
effectively
with
the
matters
that
have
been
raised,
I
would,
if
I
could
refer
to
Mr
Beanie
KC.
R
No
well
I'll
be
brief,
because
I
don't
have
a
great
deal
more
to
add
to
what
I've
already
said.
It
was
not
equivocal
promise
of
a
meeting
on
the
5th
of
September
and
I
can
add
some
detail
to
that.
That
was
canceled
at
I
think
an
hour
and
a
half's
notice,
because
officers
had
another
urgent
meeting
to
attend
and
these
these
things
happen.
That's
okay,
it
happens,
but
there
was
no
question
of
the
meeting
being
canceled
for
any
other
reason
than
the
inconvenience
of
officers.
R
So,
let's
be
quite
clear,
the
principle
of
a
meeting
the
principle
of
discussion
of
a
meeting
was
absolutely
understood
and
agreed
between
the
parties,
and
it
was
agreed
with
my
instructor
solicitor
who's
a
senior
partner
in
a
firm
which
specializes
in
planning
that
was
canceled
last
minute.
A
new
date
was
offered
and
when
that
was
confirmed
for
reasons
of
has
been
said
of
prudence,
the
meeting
didn't
take
place.
R
That's
been
created
by
having
some
sort
of
discussion
about
what
the
meeting
might
have
said
with
officers
who
are
here
with
the
committee.
That's
not
a
satisfactory
way
to
deal
with
this.
There
was
a
representation
made.
There
was
a
promise
of
a
meeting
made
that
didn't
happen.
Papers
were
handed
over
in
good
faith
and
expectation
of
a
further
meeting,
and
that
is
prejudicial
and,
as
a
sake,
chairman
I
fear
that
I'm
just
going
to
repeat
what
I've
already
said.
R
R
My
instruction
solicitor
may
have
gone
to
the
meeting,
but
because
there
was
no
meeting
I'm
not
going
to
speculate,
What
Might
Have
Been
discussed,
but
there
would
certainly
have
been
amplification
and
discussion
of
a
paper
that
was
lodged
to
inform
a
meeting
not
to
inform
this
committee,
but
to
inform
a
meeting,
and
the
expectation
was
that
that
meeting
would
take
place
in
good
faith
and
that
there
will
be
a
discussion
and
that
there
would
then
be
whatever
the
outcome
of
that
was.
But
I'm
not
going
to.
R
Second
guess
tonight,
commission
chairman,
because
that
I'm
afraid
is
to
Simply
compound
what
I've
already
identified
in
my
earlier
submission,
because
I'd
actually
taken
the
instruction
and
left
the
room
I
understand
that
there
may
well
be
issues
that
the
other
party
wasn't
to
raise,
but
they
don't
impact
upon
the
points
that
I
have
made,
although
of
course,
I
listen
carefully.
What's
being
said,
this
deals
with
the
process
that
my
client
was
was
brought
into
and
taken
through
and
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
feel.
I
can
really
be
much
more
help
to
you
than
that.
A
Thank
you
yes,
moose
from
the
committee's
perspective,
about
anything
that
you
know
is
discussed.
Ultimately,
the
the
positives
and
mainnesses
of
that
and
cases
made
for
and
against
are
ultimately
had.
He
had
heard
here
in
this
committee
environment
via
reports
that
are
both
written
on
verbal
as
as
husband,
the
case
throughout
the
committee's
existence,
but
I
suppose
what
I
want
to
cut
to
the
thrust
offline
on
the
opportunity
now
for
that
and
discussion
to
take
place
here
in
Camari,
and
you
know
what
did
you
wish
to
discuss?
A
R
I'm
sorry
I'm
not
going
to
perfect
the
unfairness,
that's
been
visited
in
my
client
I'm,
not
going
I'm
not
going
to
do
it
I'm
not
instructed
to
start
to
get
into
debate
about
what
would
have
happened
at
a
meeting
that
didn't
take
place
because
it
was
summarily
canceled
without
explanation
and
without
any
reasoning.
I
can't
do
that.
Chairman
you're,
inviting
me
to
perfect
an
issue.
That's
been
raised
by
this
Council
now
you
know
if
you
promise
a
meeting
and
you
ask
for
papers
to
inform
a
meeting,
you
have
the
meeting.
R
You
don't
then
say:
well
thanks
very
much
when
I
have
the
full
hearing-
and
you
can
say
whatever
you're
going
to
say
there
then
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
not
how
it
works.
In
my
respect
for
submission,
if
you
make
a
representation,
a
promise
of
a
meeting,
you
have
the
meeting
and
you
know
I've
tried
to
make
it
as
clear
as
I
can.
These
are
two
distinguished
planning
officers
for
whom
I
have
a
great
deal
of
personal
and
professional
regard.
R
I,
don't
make
these
submissions
lately,
but
you
don't
cancel
meetings
because
it's
prudent,
which
is
the
reason
that
was
given
and
the
only
reason
and
that's
where
I
stand.
You
go
ahead
and
you
have
the
meeting
and
you
do
it
in
good
faith
in
an
open
way.
You
report
back
on
the
outcome
of
the
meeting
and
then
you
have
the
committee
fully
informed.
You
don't
then
try
to
deal
with
it
on
the
hoof
in
this
fashion
and
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
really
as
far
as
I'm
able
to
take
it
tonight.
A
S
S
This
is
not
the
first
time
this
application
has
come
up
for
consideration.
There's
a
very
long
history
as
the
the
planning
official
Miss
McAvoy
outline
and
I
won't
go
over
that.
But
it's
important
as
a
starting
point
to
recognize
that
whatever
meeting
was
in
contemplation
a
little
while
ago
was
not
the
first
occasion
or
the
primary
occasion.
It
was
at
the
end
of
a
very
long
process.
S
In
fact,
you'll
find
that
in
the
summer
there
was
a
postponement
because
information
was
supplied
and
was
checked
out
by
the
objectors,
and
they
wanted
an
opportunity
to
make
comment
and
they
had
that.
So
the
proper
context
for
this
is
that
there's
a
long-running
very
careful
examination
of
the
planning
merits
by
your
officials
and
eventually
they
come
to
the
decision
that
we
command
them
for
today,
and
we
applaud
and
we're
seeking
to
encourage
you
to
to
go
with.
S
S
Now
we
didn't
take
any
issue
with
that.
We
think
it's
a
proper
and
a
proportionate
and
a
reasonable
response
that
you'd
scheduled
the
merits
to
be
considered
today
at
this
meeting
by
the
body
that
is
charged
with
that
task
with
its
officials,
with
all
the
information
before
you
to
come
to
a
decision
on
the
planning
merits
and
unsurprisingly,
Mr
Mulligan
on
behalf
of
the
the
chief
executive
was
taking
the
view.
It
was
not
again
prudent
to
meet
with
anyone
ahead
of
that
meeting
scheduled
for
today.
We.
S
That
or
complain
about
that-
and
we
find
it
unsurprising
that
a
similar
phrase
is
used
to
the
objectors
effectively
saying
it's
not
prudent
to
meet
with
you
ahead
of
the
meeting
of
the
committee
on
the
5th
of
October
and
part
of
the
reason
why
it's
not
prudent
is
the
one
you've
identified
Mr
chairman,
and
that
is
this-
is
the
venue
when
the
planning
merits
fold
to
be
considered,
addressed
and
assessed
by
the
persons
who
are
charged
by
law
with
that
task.
It's
not
the
officials.
The
officials
have
done
their
work
done.
S
Their
investigations
written
their
reports,
come
forward
with
their
recommendation,
and
it's
now
down
to
you
and
your
colleagues
charged
with
the
task
of
deciding
whether
we
should
get
the
planning
permission
or
not,
and
the
fact
that
at
one
stage
it
might
have
been
thought
that
a
meeting
with
objectors
could
have
been
held
and
then
was
not
held
on
one
view.
Sir.
S
It's
actually
a
benefit
that
the
meeting
did
not
proceed
because
it
might
well
have
given
rise
to
the
suggestion
or
and
impression
that
there
was
something
that
was
going
on
that
wouldn't
have
been
approved
it
given
where
we
stand
on
October
5.
and
that
that
impression
is
all
the
more
reinforced
by
the
fact
that
you've
asked
Mr
Beatty
to
explain
the
purpose
of
the
meeting
the
rationale
of
the
meeting
and
he
hasn't
been
able
to
do
that.
It's
a
mystery
meeting.
S
S
So
that's
not
fair
Ness
here
is
very
simple:
there
is
a
remedy
in
your
hands
if
there
were
to
be
anything
of
value
or
significance
or
importance
to
be
said
by
the
objectors
at
that
meeting,
they
can
say
it
today.
This
is
the
place
and
the
time
to
say
it.
They've
had
five
years
to
think
of
all
their
points.
S
Are
there
they've
been
read
considered
and
we
can
proceed
today
and
you
should
proceed.
That's
the
fair
thing
to
do.
Prejudicer
prejudice
is
not
some
amorphous
meaningless
concept
for
my
friend
to
go
anywhere
in
the
high
court.
If
that's,
what
he's
thinking
of
going
he's
going
to
have
to
tell
a
high
court
judge
just
what
the
Prejudice
was
he's
going
to
have
to
tell
the
high
court
judge
we
wanted
to
go
to
a
meeting.
We
were
going
to
say
this.
S
S
It
on
we're
happy
to
deal
with
it,
but
it
is
a
nonsense
too
cloak
himself
in
this
phrase
prejudice
it
isn't
Prejudice
at
also
because
if
there
were
Prejudice,
my
friend,
whom
I
knew
very
well
and
for
whom
had
the
highest
regard
would
not
be
what
the
Prejudice
was,
if
he
could
think
of
it,
but
he
can't
think
of
it
because
there
is
none.
The
Prejudice
that
would
be
suffered
here
would
be
to
the
planning,
applicant
and
I.
Invite
you,
sir,
to
see
this
for
what
it
is
and
to
proceed
in
a
fair,
proper
way.
A
For
your
contributions,
it'll
be
no
surprise
that
we
will
be
bragging
again
for
legal
advice
and
I
make
another
proposal,
as
under
my
protocol,
I
am
able
Chase.
So
that's
even
more
exercise
for
years.
Unfortunately
folks,
but
we'll
be
back
as
quick
as
possible,
so
I
propose
that
we
move
into
legal
advice
and
I'll
need
a
second
or
Element
Bar.
A
A
Just
again,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay
members
you're
welcome
back
I'm,
sorry
for
that
and
Recon
proceedings.
There
I
know
in
previous
conversations.
Prior
to
that
break,
there
was
some
dance
on
that
and
discussed,
and
three
Mr
Beatty
and
in
terms
of
Heidi
when
and
where
meeting
Arrangements
were
made
and
and
broken
as
the
allegations
went
and
I'm
going
to
ask
now
if
Damian
are
senior
planner
could
respond
to
those
timeline
issues
and
just
provide
us
a
bit
of
clarity
from
planners
perspectives
on
that
issue.
Thank
you.
U
Thank
you,
chair
and
I'm
happy
to
do
so.
Yes,
sure
I
can't
confirm
I'm
happy
to
put
on
record
that
officers
did
agree
in
principle
to
meet
with
representatives
of
the
applicant
and
the
third
party
objector
and
but
in
the
end,
in
the
interests
of
furnace,
as
has
been
mentioned
earlier,
officers
decided
not
to
meet
either
a
party
and
just
going
into
that
a
little
bit
further.
U
U
It
wasn't
the
address
of
furnace
that
we
decided
and
given
the
stage
that
we
had
reached,
that
we
wouldn't
meet
either
a
party
and
that
this
was
the
correct
forum
and
which
to
consider
the
the
the
application
and
officer
recommendation
and
just
one
final
Point
sure
occurred.
And
that
relates
to
papers
that
were
referred
to
by
Mr
Beatty.
That
were.
U
A
R
A
Although
we
have
somewhat
suspended
a
normal
protocol
in
this
regard,
but
given
the
fact
that
they
would
have
been
at
that
meeting,
I,
you
know
as
I
as
I
have
done
with
Mr
PD.
Can
you
say
I'm
quite
willing
to
give
him
the
two
gentlemen
the
opportunity
to
use
a
period
of
minutes
to
discuss
whatever
issues
you
wanted
to
raise
up
that
meeting
in
this
open
Forum
of
our
planning
committee
and
invite
you
if
you
wish
to
do
that
now,.
R
Their
instructions,
I
have
clear
instructions
through
my
instructions
listener
and
from
both
of
my
clients.
That's
the
position.
That's
been
taken
and
I
represent
both
clients
and
I
indicated
to
you
already.
They
will
not
be
participating,
they
weren't,
they
have
been
denied
the
opportunity
to
go
to
the
meeting
and
their
instructions
and
their
discussions
Echo
and
follow
from
what
I've
already
represented
to
the
committee
this
evening.
I'm.
Sorry,
chairman,
that's
where
we
stand
this.
A
Was
a
response
to
that
I
mean
him
and
Brian
both
have
indicated
that
they
have
speaking
rights,
so
it
is
on
their.
You
know
they
are
freely
able
to
speak
for
themselves
and
this
chamber,
as
every
member
is
and
very
entitled
to
do
so
under
my
my
protocol
and
and
I
can
allow
their
microphones
to
be
turned
on
so
really
willing.
I'll
give
it
another
another
go
with
Mr
loughri
Mr
Martin
want
to
raise
those
particular
issues
at
maybe
has
their
free
to
do
so
in
this
very
open
forum.
A
A
So
I
was
just
triple
checking.
It
was
just
for
the
technology
here.
We
have
to
be
very
sure
that
everyone
is
on
the
meeting
so
I'm
just
getting
that
verified,
because
we
have
a
small
representation
here,
Council
in
terms
of
of
counselors
everyone's
happy
that
that's
okay!
Thank
you!
Sorry,
Mr
Shaw,
for
for
stopping
you
there
yeah
yeah,
once
once
it
goes
red
you're,
free
to
commence.
S
V
Thank
you
chairman.
Yes,
thank
you
Stephen.
My
name
is
David
munstein
and
I'm,
a
chartered
twin
planner
and
the
application,
as
you've
heard,
was
submitted
five
years
ago
and
during
the
course
of
the
planning
application
process,
the
applicant
has
reduced
the
scale
of
the
scheme
by
a
third
and
responded
to
every
information
request
of
the
council,
and
the
proposal
has
undergone
a
level
of
scrutiny
normally
associated
with
major
Superstore
development,
even
though
it
is
a
fraction
of
the
size
which,
of
course,
provides
a
very
robust
basis
for
approving
the
development.
V
The
applicant
has
engaged
positively
throughout
the
planning
application
process
to
provide
this
development
for
Guildford
and
its
residents,
who,
through
letters
of
support
and
in
responses
to
the
two
surveys
undertaken
by
the
applicant
and
on
the
council,
respectively
or
evidently
in
favor
of
The
Proposal
Henderson's
investment
in
the
Redevelopment
and
enhancement
of
the
existing
petrol
station
and
Shop,
will
be
good
for
Guilford.
They
will
deliver
a
range
of
benefits.
We
commanded
to
you
for
approval.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
maybe
we
do
have.
As
I've
said
earlier,
there
are
a
number
of
people
who
have
speaking
rights,
I'm
going
to
read
them
out
because
they
may
be
useful
to
members
in
terms
of
any
questions
that
we
may
feel
need
directed
and
to
those
professional
people.
So
from
the
objectors
again,
I
am
on
the
lottery
retail
consultant
and
Altus
Brown
Martin
Plumbing,
consultant
agents
and
applicants.
A
Mr
David
mine,
Stephen,
Mr,
Tony,
Quinn,
Mr,
Mark,
Adrian
Mr
same
in
the
moon
and
then
Council
appointed
and
should
have
said
those
last
group
were
agents
and
applicants
and
supporters
of
so
we'd
go
then
to
cancel
appointed
and
the
agents
are
not
Neil
McCullough
from
Oxford
economics,
Tom
Stokes
from
TSA
planning
and
William
Orbison,
QC
and
I
think
in
the
public
Gallery,
but
they
don't
have
speak
and
race.
We
have
a
couple
of
football,
also
here
and
also
entitled
to
be
here.
A
A
Okay
suppose
I
have
well
in
terms
of
sort
of
focuses
in
just
on
the
The
Shopper
survey
and
the
the
shopping
habits,
I
suppose
all
for
the
people
of
Guilford
be
Keen
to
have
comments
directed
at
the
most
appropriate
person.
That
could
perhaps
take
us
through
that
in
some
way
and
or
became
just
to
understand.
Hyatt
was
carried
out
and,
firstly,
and
also
what
if
we
could
have
a
sort
of
a
brief
Roundup
of
the
million.
A
A
W
Speak
all
right,
thank
you
for
the
question
chair,
I,
suppose
in
terms
of
methodology
and
you'll
have
seen
the
full
detail
of
the
findings
of
the
survey
anonymox
at
the
back
of
the
committee
report.
There
were
201
surveys
undertaken
within
Guilford
was
a
real
combination
of
on-street
surveys
within
Guilford
town
center
and
door-to-door
surveys
and
I
suppose
without
getting
into
the
detail
of.
W
This
was
more
than
offset
by
the
evidence
and
respond
percentage
of
respondents
who
confirmed
that
it
also
would
lead
to
further
spending
within
Guilford
and
confirmation
of
linked
trips
between
both
the
new
proposal
and
the
Town
Center,
and
so
so
I
suppose.
Overall,
on
balance,
I
would
say
that
there's
a
nap
positive
and
park
for
consumer
spending
within
Guilford.
A
Foreign,
just
in
terms
of
you
know,
I
did
notice
a
sizable
number
of
people.
I
mean
I
was
looking
through
the
reports
on
study
on
them,
and
there
was
the
issue
of
where
people
were
sharp
on
the
most
on
the
types
of
things
you
know
that
they
were
considering.
You
know
the
big
shop
on
the
Wii
shop
was
the
sand
goes,
and
it
did
seem
that
a
large
proportion
of
people
were
then
leaving
Guilford
for
that
purpose
and
yeah
I'm,
not
sure
if
you're
the
best
person
to
answer
this.
A
But
in
terms
of
you
know
the
the
nature
of
the
survey
and
what
it
has
found
is
what
is
proposed.
A
response
to
that
you
know.
Is
it?
Is
it
an
adequate
response
to
that?
Need
that
you
have
uncovered
and
I
say
that
without
prejudice
and
just
simply
getting
getting
an
understanding
of
it
is,
is
what
is
proposed
and
adequate
response
to
the
needs
of
people
in
Guildford.
W
And
chairs
will
think
I
suppose
in
reference
to
that
really
there's
the
shopping
element
and
which,
on
the
stage
you
refer
to
and
a
high
percentage
of
response
and
obviously
leave
Gilbert
to
do
a
mean
shop
and
there
is
some
Top-Up
shopping.
Obviously
it
does
happen
within
the
existing
Guildford,
the
Pine
Center,
but
there
was
an
overwhelming
response
where,
obviously,
because
of
the
lack
of
fuel
within
Guilford,
nearly
I
think
it
was
90
something
percent
of
respondents
and
confirmed
they're
all
their
support
for
that
and
and
I.
Suppose.
W
Even
you
know
if,
if
even
just
forget
about
the
survey,
even
for
a
second
and
everyone,
you
know
you
think,
how
do
you
normally
when
you're
getting
fuel?
You
know
what
other
activities
do
you
undertake
as
part
of
that,
but
it
obviously
is
an
element
of
Top-Up
shopping,
which
happens
when
you
fill
up
your
car
with
fuel
and
you
run
into
the
shop
and
you
pack
up
the
loaf
of
bread
and
the
milk
and
the
I.
A
Is
that
a
yes
or
no
so
you're,
not
okay,
and
that's
a
Pity
yeah
that
you
aren't
yeah,
because
I
had
a
few
I'd
like
to
have
got
the
the
you
know
the
bounce
on
that
perspective,
if
you
yourself,
through
your
own
consultancy,
firm,
had
done
some
similar
type
work
I'd
like
to
discuss
that,
but
that
isn't
good
yes,
Kaiser
Nicholson
has
been
willing
patiently
going
ahead.
Thank
you.
L
Yeah
look
thanks,
chairman,
and
and
thank
you
for
everybody
that
has
given
their
their
presentation
so
far
and
and
I
suppose,
chairman
you're
right
we're
in
a
sort
of
new
territory
here,
because
I
I
would
like
to
hear
that
the
opposing
side
to
obviously
what
what
Tom
is
outline
but
Tom
I
have
a
question
for
you
and
then
I
have
one
for
Sinead.
My
question
is
in
relation
to
the
the
survey
just
to
get
an
idea
of
how
far
and
wide
that
planet
you
know
did
it
go.
L
You
know
how
far
did
white
say
to
Guilford.
You
know
to
go
into
the
hinterland
to
go
as
far
as
you
know,
just
to
get
an
idea
of
the
scale
of
it
all
right,
and
my
questions
you
need
is
the
the
the
spps
obviously
is-
is
our
sort
of
overarching
document
in
relation
to
development,
but
I
I
I,
see
in
your
report
just
for
clarification
there.
There
is
other
matters,
obviously
in
relation
that
they
can
be
considered,
and
and
can
you
just
clarify
she
need
what
matters?
L
A
W
No
problem
chair,
thank
you,
councilor
Nicholson,
for
the
question
and
through
the
chair,
the
survey
was
undertaken
in
Guilford
councilor
Nicholson.
It
was
a
combination
of
on-street
surveys
within
the
Town
Center,
plus
door-to-door
and
surveys
within
the
various
residential
developments
around
the
age
of
Guilford,
but
all
contained
within
Guilford.
W
Thank
you
again,
counselors
through
the
chair.
It's
really
question.
15
is
probably
relevant
to
the
point
which
respondents
were
asked.
If
a
new
PFS
and
Shop
were
to
open,
would
you
use
the
new
store
to
purchase
your
fuel
instead
of
your
existing
choice
and
the
88
of
respondents
responded
to
say
yes
to
that.
O
Yeah
well,
I
suppose
the
first
thing
we've
consider
was
the
ldp.
You
know
where
is
a
safe
in
relation
to
the
town
center
and
for
those
purposes
the
site
lays
out
inside
the
town
center
and
the
spps
then
says
you
really
should
be
looking
at
site
with
the
Town
Center
forced
to
retail
and
what
the
applicant
has
done
and
assessed
up
in
accordance
with
the
criteria
in
the
spps
I.
O
Center
is
an
age
of
town
center
sites
and
that's
what
we
look
at
there's
both
just
to
answer
your
question.
First
of
all,
look
at
the
urea
plan.
Where
are
you
sitting
and
that's
it?
You
know
the
hierarchy.
First,
yeah.
You
look
at
the
rdasman
and
this
would
be
PhD
of
the
spps
and
the
spps
bought
a
trade
to
a
refer
to
your
next
speaker
note
and
that
replaced
the
PPS
fave.
O
They
can
15,
for
example,
for
Access
commonweight
and
then
and
we
look
at
them
creating
places
in
design
and
Urban
Design.
So
all
those
would
have
to
be
considered.
It
probably
isn't
the
first
report
just
the
list
of
those,
but
for
for
our
consideration
of
the
retail
impact,
the
staff
and
the
ldp
and
the
spps
would
be
the
big
consideration.
T
L
A
C
Thank
you
chairman.
It's
just
sort
of
on
the
environmental
side
of
of
the
the
application
I
was
just
wondering:
will
there
be
any
electronic
or
electrical
car
parking
charging
points,
because
obviously,
if
it's
part
of
field,
if
there
is
how
many
or
designated,
because
obviously
that
will
take
an
impact
on
the
QR
bargain
and
then
sort
of
on
the
flip
it
up,
then
the
car
parking
at
the
back
I
used
but
I'm,
assuming
that's
going
to
be
resolved
or
I,
will
not
be
resolved.
V
V
It
is
future
proofed
as
it
were
as
and
they
can
be
added
at
a
later
date,
either
through
a
planning
application
or
through
primitive
development
rights
and
in
relation
to
all
the
parking
that's
proposed
in
The
Proposal.
That's
obviously
subject
to
the
conditions
and
delivery
of
it,
as
Sinead
outlined
in
her
presentation
of
the
report.
So
I
could
confirm
that,
obviously,
yes,
parking
will
be
provided,
as
required.
V
A
Okay,
members,
thank
you,
I
suppose,
just
a
query
for
Mr
Man
Stephen
again
in
terms
of
your
approach
to
this
I
knew
initially,
the
application
was
a
lot
larger
than
what
is
before
us
in
the
initial
application
compared
to
what's
before
us
today.
I
begin
just
to,
if
you
could
walk
through
the
reasons
for
well
for
reducing
that
in
size
in
terms
was
that,
based
on
you
know,
an
assessed
need
of
of
retail
habits
in
Guilford,
or
was
that
it
was
just
purely
a
decision
based
on
you
know
you
wanted
to
reduce
the
size.
V
I
think
I
think
primarily
as
a
response
to
our
ongoing
engagement,
trying
to
be
positive
in
terms
of
our
engagement
with
the
buying
application
process
throughout
and
recognizing
that
there
were
some
concerns
from
various
parties
about
the
scale
of
the
proposal,
and
the
applicant
chose
to
look
at
it
again.
In
that
light,.
A
I
suppose,
just
in
there
you
know
in
terms
of
the
the
floor
space
and
what
I'm,
just
considering
the
the
full
back
position
of
the
existing
shop
on
Fuller
Court,
you
know
what's
proposed,
is
obviously
a
lot
larger
than
that.
How
many
more
times
larger
on
in
terms
of
you
know,
capacity
for
Shoppers
and
not
what
is
the
you
know?
What
is
the
the
ntic
like
in
terms
of
the
floor
space
and
what
you
can
accommodate
just
trying
to
get
my
head
right?
A
You
know
on
a
shop
as
a
shop
I
used
for
years
and
filled
up
with
my
laser
time
on
the
way
to
Banbridge
Tech
many
years
ago,
and
it
was
a
very
cramped
space
and
just
came
to
ascertain
what
I've
looked
at
the
plan,
but
in
terms
of
the
old
versus
the
new.
What's
the
what
is
it
many
times
greater
in
terms
of
floor
space,
or
is
it
just
a
slight
Improvement
if
you
like.
V
I
suppose
the
the
overall,
the
starting
point
is
that
the
Hendersons
obviously
want
to
deliver
a
sort
of
a
quality
modern
shopping
facility
for
Guilford,
and
the
scale
that's
proposed
would
would
deliver
that.
It's
it's
about.
360
square
meters,
I
think
the
net
force
base
and
you
know
the
existing
floor.
Space
is
about
130.
Maybe
it's
nice
slightly
less
than
that
square
meter.
V
So
that's
the
that's
the
differential
that
we're
talking
about
and
I
suppose
that
you
you
refer
to
the
fallback
the
than
the
existing
shop,
as
opposed
from
our
position
that
there's
a
proposal
which
is
in
a
ways
consistent
with
the
spps.
You
know
there
aren't
any
suitable
sites
in
the
Town
Center,
there's
a
need
for
this
amount
of
floor
space
and
it
won't
have
an
unacceptable
impact.
V
So,
in
terms
of
you
know
the
weight
that's
to
be
placed
in
on
the
proposal
and
that
it
the
way
it
should
be
placed
on
the
proposal
that
that's
that's
before
you.
That's
that's
compliant
with
the
policy
as
Sinead
has
outlined
in
her
report.
I'm
not
sure
if
Tony
Tony
wants
to
say
anything
else
about
the
the
the
the
skill
of
The
Proposal.
M
It
was
origin,
it
was
reduced
by
a
third
from
its
original
floor
space
and
the
actual
increase
and
net
force
base,
which
is
the
area
that
generates
retail
impact
concerned.
You
know,
that's
the
sale
of
the
merchandise,
the
actual
area
involved.
The
increase
is
232
square
meters.
You
know,
that's
quite
a
modest
increase,
it's
about
two
and
a
half
thousand
square
feet
and
I
think
you
know
the
scale
of
that
has
to
be
taken
into
perspective
when
assessing
this
application.
M
It's
not.
It's
certainly
not
of
super
stored
proportions,
but
I
I
do
take
the
point
that
you
have
mentioned
chairman
at
well
for
an
improved
shopping
environment
in
terms
of
improving
Aid
with
and
on
product
Lines
within
the
store,
but
it
should
always
be
born
in
Maine
and
as
I've
mentioned
previously,
we
were
mindful
of
the
concerns
of
the
objectors
The
Chosen,
not
to
articulate
their
their
issues.
Here
today
we
were
mindful
of
that
on
the
outside
and
we
did
reduce
it.
M
We
then
carried
out
a
survey
of
Shoppers
ourselves
before
Tom
stooks
produced
his
survey,
and
it
was
produced
independently
by
the
card
group
and
they're
finding
substantiated
our
long-standing
claim
that
the
ability
of
this
scheme
to
claw
back
expenditure
going
elsewhere,
which
significantly
mitigate
retail
impact
on
the
furnace
to
the
council,
they
didn't
take
our
word
for
it.
They
carried
out
their
own
survey
and
their
findings
overwhelmingly
Vindicated
the
findings
of
our
survey.
A
Thank
you
and
I
suppose,
just
on
the
back
of
that
I
don't
know
you
have.
Any
statements
are
on
on
the
the
pliers.
Oh
and
if
she
had
a
research
on
this
and
just
from
Tom's
perspective,
is
it?
Is
it
a
mirror
images
such
in
your
view
of
the
you
know,
the
old
workers
of
your
survey
versus
the
the
applicants
who
work
Tom.
Do
you
see
a
correlation?
W
Chair,
yes
from
our
perspectives
and
our
survey
a
bit
more
detailed
than
the
applicants.
But
there
is
correlation
between
the
answers
and
responses
to
the
applicant's
survey
which
was
undertaken
by
an
independent
company
called
card
company
and
also
the
responses
which
we
received
to
our
shop
or
survey.
L
Foreign,
yes
thank
you,
chair
and,
and
thanks
everybody
for
their
their
options.
Tom
I
suppose
I'm
going
to
put
you
in
the
spot
again
with
a
question
and
again
in
your
expert
opinion.
Obviously
you
said
the
correlate,
but
in
your
expert
opinion,
do
you
believe
there's
a
need
established
here
in
the
village
of
Guilford
for
this
facility.
W
A
L
Look
chairman-
and
we
we
are
in
in
a
strange
scenario
here,
because
obviously
we're
only
sort
of
listening
to
One
one
side
because
the
object
has
taken.
You
know
the
stance
that
he
doesn't
want
to
engage
with
us
tonight
in
in
relation
to
this,
but
I
I
do
think
that
you
know
this.
This
has
been
as
an
application
been
around
the
block.
Quite
a
while
and
there's
been
careful
consideration.
L
It's
been
rigorous,
I'm
happy
that
the
information
in
front
of
us
this
evening,
you
know
sort
of
will
Elias
or
like
me
anyway,
to
to
make
to
make
a
decision
and,
as
as
I
say,
I've
been
seeing
other
members
in
in
in
in
in
relation
to
it
and
as
I
say
I.
Thank
everybody
for
obviously
coming
along
and
I've
always
been
a
long
long
drawn
out
one,
but
I
think
you
know
we're
we're
we're
we're
we're
sort
of
we
are.
L
I
That's,
it
has
been
not
for
quite
a
number
of
years,
and
there
formerly
was
the
station
there
and
that
needs
to
be
returned
and
we've
had
an
interesting
discussion
this
evening
and
I'm
very
happy
indeed
with
the
presentation
and
the
clarity
about
the
need
in
the
village,
and
the
survey
really
did
turn
up
so
many
interesting
figures
and
facts
and
in
regard
to
shopping
and
needs,
and
when
people
need
materials
and
so
on
and
as
well
as
petrol.
So
I'm
very
clear
in
my
own
mind
about
the
case
this
evening,.
C
C
A
Thank
you
and
I'm
sure,
and
we've
had
a
few
niggles
about
this
as
the
maiden
Hasbrouck
arrest
and
I'm
gonna
test
your
knees
again
folks,
because
I
have
a
couple
of
legal
issues.
I
want
to
discuss
and
I
want
to
do
that
in
confidential,
so
and
I
make
no
apologies
for
doing
that
and
I'm
going
to
do
it
so
I'm
going
to
make
that
proposal
if
I
could
go
into
legal
advice
again
need
a
second
or
then
to
do
that.
A
My
life
Fate
has
recommenced.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
before
we're
going
to
I,
know
we're
we're
on
members
to
be
up
points
there
suppose
in
terms
of
that
I
haven't
detected.
Certainly
this
evening
anyway,
from
any
of
the
representations.
I
have
made
that
you
know
proposal.
If,
if
it
were,
you
know
to
go
through
and
that's
the
basis
of
the
officer's
recommendation
and
it
you
know
the
reports
that
I
have
seen
digest.
A
It
certainly
haven't
pointed
to
your
you
know
the
detriment
of
the
Vitality
of
Guilford
as
a
as
a
town,
center
and
I.
Don't
think
that
that
I
have
seen
in
my
reading
of
the
papers
has
been
impacted
and
anyway
and
I
suppose
generally,
and
that
has
been
you
know,
I
suppose
the
the
structure
of
the
Crux
of
the.
F
A
And
whether
or
not
the
proposal
warrants
and
adaptment
to
Guilford
or
or
a
betterment
I'm,
quite
convinced
of
my
you
haven't,
sat
on
this
previously
and
also
throughout
the
intervenon
period
up
until
today,
so
members
I'm
content
enough
I,
don't
have
any
other
lights.
Well,
sorry,
counselor
Nicholson,.
L
Foreign,
yes,
chairman,
look
I
I,
agree
with
you,
you
know,
we've
got
a
experts
in
front
of
us
this
evening
who
have
you've
outlined
that
case
and
it's
something
we
as
a
committee
had
asked
for
at
previously
and
I
suppose
the
other
things
in
my
head
are
you
know
this
has
been
certain.
You
know,
sort
of
empty
for
so
long,
there's,
there's
and
and
with
with
with
a
fence
around
it
there's.
L
Obviously
an
environmental
aspect
to
the
whale
which
is
going
to
help
the
the
village
and
and
and
regeneration
and
again
you
know,
we
see
these
chairman
I
think
it
was
Mr.
Stokes
referred
to
you
know,
sort
of
you
know
calling
to
get
your
feelings
and
be
able
to
shop
and
I.
Do
it
all
the
time?
So
you
know
these
aren't.
This
is
not
nothing
new
I.
Don't
think
you
know
in
relation
to
what
we
have
seen
so
look
chairman,
like
you,
I
I,
I,
I,
I,
I,
I.
L
A
L
Yeah
look
chairman
I
I
I'm
in
agreement.
I
think
there
has
been
a
very
careful,
rigorous
scrutiny
of
this
application.
I.
Thank
you
need
again
as
usual
for
her
her
her
detail
and
she's
clearly
set
out
that
it's
very
much
evidence-based
of
of
where
we've
come
to,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
mitigating
factors
have
been
given
to
us
this
evening
and
in
relation
to
the
the
fact
that
the
the
the
the
the
the
Benoit
verse
harm
I
think
is
a
conclusion
to
Guilford.
L
A
Okay,
thank
you,
I,
don't
have
any
other
lights
on.
I
will
allow
time
for
that
and
all
the
harms
are
ordained
that
we're
raised,
and
so
with
that
being
the
case,
and
we
endorse
that
proposal,
we
don't
have
any
other
proposals,
so
an
application
is
approved,
looks
like
everybody
for
their
time
tonight
and
we
are
now
before
we
move
on
members
to
agenda
item
four.
We
are
going
to
take
a
break
personal
Refreshments
for
maybe
20
months.
We'll
see
is
all
back
for
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
A
Cheers
thanks:
okay
with
three
more
applications
and
I
know
it's
appendix
four
or
seven
on
the
input.
We're
gonna
go
with
seven,
because
there
are
and
speaking
contributors
on
this,
and
we
don't
want
to
keep
them
any
longer
than
necessary.
So
we'll
move
directly
to
application
and
number
earlier
we
have
2022.
Oh
you
have
two
three
F
and
K
is
present
on
this
one
k.
So
when
you're
ready
you
just
proceed,
thank
you.
X
This
time
application
seeks
full
plan
permission
for
the
retention
of
prefabricated
modular
educational
units
consisting
of
two
classrooms.
Pardon
me
with
ancillary
accommodation
and
Associated
site
works.
The
application
is
before
you
this
evening,
as
it
attracts
an
attraction
from
DFA
Rivers
strategy
consultee
and
is
recommended
for
approval
officers
of
tech
and
that
members
have
read
the
report
in
full
and
as
such
as
a
synopsis.
X
Only
the
application
site
is
located
partially
on
a
shield
of
sports
pitch
within
the
grains
of
Western
early
special
school
and
partially
on
an
area
of
tarmac
playground,
as
approved
on
the
planet,
application
in
La
who
we
had
2021.
But
we
had
three
four
F,
which
was
considered
at
August's
planning
committee,
the
status
within
the
settlement
limit
of
Omar
Mr
famed
by
my
area
plan
2004.
But
it's
there
located
outside
of
the
central
area
on
an
area
of
sound
open
space
policy.
Os
one
of
PPS.
X
Authority
is
required
to
provide
a
special
educational
needs
service
for
pupils
who
cannot
be
accommodated
within
a
mean
School
setting,
there's
not
a
special
skills,
Under
Pressure,
to
provide
additional
School
places.
The
development
is
required
to
facilitate
projected
increasing
movement
numbers.
X
All
three
special
schools
in
the
council
area
are
currently
operating
at
or
at
both
capacity
spoke
facilities
are
required
for
pupils,
which
can
only
be
provided
at
this
school.
Failure
to
provide
additional
spaces
at
the
school
would
result
in
the
education
Authority.
You
know
unable
to
meet
us
legislatively
a
different
strategy
Duty
for
children
who
have
statements
of
special
educational
need
within
the
listenali
Cashman
area.
Plan
history
of
the
site,
namely
the
approval
of
the
two
other
module
unit.
X
Cylinder
plan
application
area
we
had
2021
or
we
had
three
four
F-
is
also
material
officers,
consider
that
hardship
is
being
caused
by
not
having
sufficient
classroom
provision
and
they
have
to
transport
some
people's
away
from
the
site
to
screws
which
do
not
have
the
required
facilities.
In
addition,
educational
time
is
lost
during
the
transfer
time
on
the
basis
of
the
information
providers.
X
Officers
consider
that
it
has
been
demonstrated
that
the
development
will
bring
substantial
Community
benefits
that
outwear
the
loss
of
open
space
and
therefore
officers
are
off
the
opinion
that,
on
balance,
the
proposal,
compilation,
policy,
OS,
1
PPS
yet-
and
the
proposed
development
is
acceptable.
In
principle.
X
The
application
involves
use
of
an
existing
vehicular
and
potassium
access
onto
this
and
allevian
DFA
roads
were
consulted
and
responded
with
no
objections
to
the
access.
Arrangements
no
parking
profession
is
included
as
part
of
this
application.
Wherever
a
separate
application
was
approved
to
provide
the
necessary
parking
facing
under
Lao
with
2021
1631f,
which
was
also
considered
an
August's
planning
committee,
a
confession
and
relations
parking
has
been
included
and
on
SPS
officers
have
no
objections
in
racing
to
parking.
X
Dfa
Rivers,
Reservoir,
inundation
Maps
indicate
the
site
is
in
an
area
of
Potential
inundation
amounting
from
Larry's
Lock,
which
is
located
approximately
five
kilometers
Upstream
from
the
site,
the
spps
to
gather
a
policy
fld5
of
pps15
revised
referred
that
you
defilement
will
only
be
permitted
within
the
potential
flood
inundation
area
of
a
controlled
Reservoir.
If
the
applicant
can
demonstrate
that
the
condition
management
and
maintenance
regime
of
the
reservoir
is
appropriate
to
provide
sufficient
Assurance
regarding
reservoirs
safety
and
the
developer
provides
a
flood
risk
assessment,
which
indicates,
amongst
other
considerations
and
assessment
of
Downstream
flood
risk.
X
Members
are
faced
that
it
has
not
been
demonstrated
to
the
fra
rivers
that
the
condition
management
and
maintenance
regime
have
Larry
stock
is
appropriate
to
fade
sufficient
Assurance
or
Gardener
as
a
fire
cfp.
The
overall
Hazard
written
at
the
sale
is
considered
high
by
DFA
Rivers,
as
there
is
considered
to
be
an
unacceptable
combination
of
depth
and
philosophy
for
this
particular
development
proposal
policy.
Fld5
states
there
will
be
a
presumption
against
any
Department
located
in
areas
where
is
indicated
that
there
is
the
potential
for
a
non-acceptable
combination
of
depth
and
philosophy.
X
As
such,
the
proposal
has
contrary
to
policy
fld5.
In
this
regard,
however,
officers
are
off
the
opinion
that
they're
signed
and
justifiable
reasons
in
this
case
for
departing
from
policy
and
specifically
policy
fld5.
Those
details
are
set
out
in
detail
in
the
report,
but,
in
short,
hardship
is
being
caused
by
not
having
sufficient
classroom
profession,
I'll
be
having
to
transport
some
people's
way
from
the
site
to
schools
which
do
not
have
the
required
facilities.
X
Educational
professionals
have
identified
the
need
for
additional
accommodation
of
this,
not
a
special
school.
The
development
is
required
to
meet
projected
enrollment
members,
furthermore,
than
the
entire
grains,
if
that's
not
a
special
school
or
located
within
the
area
of
inundation
and
the
land
Summits.
The
development
to
situated
is
currently
being
used
by
people's
at
the
school
into
modular
units
approved
under
plan
application.
Earlier
we
had
2021
or
we
had
three
four
F.
X
A
flood
evacuation
and
management
plan
has
been
provided
by
lapic
and
Planet
interface,
that
a
flood
Warden
would
be
established
to
be
responsible
for
communication
in
the
event
of
a
throttle.
Defense,
evacuation
routes
have
been
identified
and
the
evacuation
time
is
considered
to
be
less
than
seven
minutes.
X
X
The
fact
that
the
applications
can't
read
the
policy
fld5
officers
in
this
instance
consider
the
material
considerations
as
presented
were
considerably
in
favor
of
the
proposal
and,
furthermore,
are
considerator
out
where
the
fact
that
the
proposals
can't
read
the
policy
officers
attached
considerable
width
and
the
balance
and
exercise
such
that
the
development
of
the
safer.
This
module
units
is
considered
acceptable.
X
As
noted
in
the
report,
the
daenery,
which
is
a
Historic
Park
Gardener,
to
be
annoys
to
the
east
of
the
site
and
is
located
on
the
side.
It's
also
located
within
a
sphere
of
influence
of
a
historic
site.
Foreign
consultation
with
ATD
officers
are
satisfied
that
the
proposal
meets
the
policy
requirements
of
pps6
overall
on
balance,
officers
consider
the
benefits
that
will
arise
outweigh
the
conflict
of
planning
policy.
So,
for
this
reason
and
subject
to
the
standard
conditions,
it's
recommended
that
plant
information
is
granted
just.
X
Okay,
so
the
site
is
just
showing
you
the
location
within
our
Mass,
so
it's
just
accessed
from
the
sonali.
Then
this
is
an
aerial
off
the
site,
so
the
site
has
now
been
developed.
There
is
a
Time
act,
a
player
grind
on
the
site
and
three
modular
units
we're
obviously
just
considering
the
one
and
the
main
School
building
there
to
the
south
of
the
site.
X
T
X
X
A
Suppose,
just
for
Kay's
perspective,
I
know
it's
not
something
that
often
happens
when
we
diverge
from
the
opinion
of
a
statutory,
Council
T,
and
this
was
just
in
terms
of
the
the
risks
around.
That
is
it
mitigated
somewhat
by
the
fact
that
there
could
be
considered
temporary
structures.
Is
that
right,
they're,
not
blocked,
but
you're?
X
So,
in
terms
of
the
development,
the
development
is
obviously
just
for
one
modular
units
and
and
the
three
units
were
to
provide
spaces
for
an
extra
50
pupils
at
the
school.
Some
of
them
are
being
accommodated.
Then
accommodation
is
what
like
things
like
staff
rooms,
which
wasn't
obviously
satisfactory.
So
this
isn't
a
major
development
of
of
the
school
side.
It's
very
much
on
salary
development
to
existence,
School
building,
but
ultimately
the
entire
School
grinds
are
within
the
reservoir
annotation
Zone
as
well,
so
that
that
also
formed
part
of
our
consideration
so
combine
them.
A
D
D
A
X
Okay,
ultimately,
the
float
Warden
is
to
check
any
Communications
any
websites
in
case
there
isn't
that
the
sent
off
the
reservoir
failure,
but
also,
then,
if,
if
there
is
flood
waters
except
identified
on
the
site,
they're
the
person,
then
who
coordinates
the
response
so
they're
the
person
in
charge
of
making
sure
the
screw
is
evacuated.
So,
ultimately,
the
the
plan
is
showing
that
they
counter
factored
that
school
within
sad
minutes
and
obviously
that
has
to
be
a
coordinated
approach
to
make
sure
that
that
is
done
in
a
timely
manner
so
effectively.
X
D
X
J
J
Is
it
not,
you
know,
I
appreciate
with
the
officers
are
coming
from,
but
is
it
not
the
case
that
actually,
if
DFA
rivers
are
telling
us
that
they
don't
have
something,
they
can't
confirm
whether
it's,
if
or
whether
it's
not
safe,
even
though
probably
they're
starting
to
be
duty
to
do
so
that
it
is
reasonable
to
acknowledge
what
they
have
said
but
apply
sufficiently
more
to
what
we
actually
do.
You
know
as
opposed
to
what
DFI
Rivers
don't
know.
If
that
makes
sense,
you
can.
X
J
X
Yeah,
so
in
in
the
report,
then
we
we
did
show
that
we,
there
was
other
material
considerations
there
that
we
applied
greater
better
with
too
I.
Think
the
fact
that
the
entire
screw
is
is
within
the
Reservoir
annotation
Zone
as
well
is
is
material.
This
isn't
a
major
Redevelopment
of
the
school,
it's
very
much
in
salary
accommodation
at
the
school,
so
that
that
is
yeah.
The
the
other
material
considerations
and
the
balance
and
exercise
we're
giving
creator
with
in
this
instance,.
A
Okay,
I
think
it's
okay
there
she
is
Lori's
lock.
Should
that
not
have
an
eight
left
or
there's
some
issue
with
the
eight
lap
that
the
water
then
can't
get
away
and
it
backs
up.
Is
that
the
is
that
the
case
in
this
you
know
is
that
reverse
agencies
being
concern
and
then
follow
along
from
commissioner
Cosby's
point
then,
without
the
suitable
maintenance
being
done
to
Larry's
Lock
I
assume
to
prevent
that
then
it's
just
increasing
the
risk.
Very
many
teams,
further
upstreams
up
is
that
my
is
not
an
accurate
understand.
W
X
Substantial
rainfall
and,
for
example,
in
the
reservoir,
would
feel,
or
it
could
have
been
another
act
such
as
something
like
terrorism
or
something,
but
the
cause
caused
the
reservoir
to
feel
what
they
effectively.
Then
their
concern
is
the
impact
Downstream
areas,
so
they
have
a
mapping.
Mapping
system
then
identifies
areas
that
could
be
potentially
impacted
in
the
event
of
reservoir
failure,
and
it
just
so
happens
then
at
the
safe
is
one
of
the
many
many
areas
of
our
Pharma.
T
A
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
we
did
have
a
good
debate
and
last
month
on
the
application,
not
the
school
as
well,
and
we
did
ask
questions
about
the
flood
risk
on
on
things.
At
that
time.
I
want
to
thank,
as
Kayla's
highlighted
in
the
report.
It's
a
balancing
act
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
did
read
and
says
she's
around,
like
a
capacity
of
special
needs,
schools
within
the
borough
and
whoever
subscribed
and
I
know
she's
like
that.
K
There
are
so
I
think
on
the
balance
in
terms
of
the
flood
risk
on
on
the
need
for
for
the
education
facility.
There
I
think.
That's
you
know
on
the
balance
that
the
child
has
got
a
decision
made
on
should
accept
the
recommendations
at
900
report,
sure
so
I
think
yep
I
agree
with
cash
recommendation.
N
Thank
you,
Lord
mayor,
supposedly
concur
with
everything
cancer
Kevin
Savage
said
there
I
think
all
the
members
what
we
call
the
last
application
for
the
site
that
came
before
committee
and
the
same
as
she's
being
discussed,
and
a
number
of
measures
have
been
put
in
place
with
regards
to
potential
flooding,
but
given
that
the
side
is
already
all
not
flooded,
floodplain
energy
I
think
that
the
measures
discussed
are
appropriate
and
and
I
will
inclined
with
long
countries.
I
wish
to
agree
with
the
recommendation
to
approve
that's
the
way.
A
A
Okay,
members,
any
other
proposals-
I,
don't
see
any
so,
let's
not
basis,
will
move
then
back
to
appendix
four
and
Adam.
Thanks
for
joining
us,
I'm,
sorry
for
your,
your
services
were
required,
so
you
got
a
an
easy
Nate
and
but
thanks
for
and
taking
entertainment,
I'm
sorry
for
the
delay
earlier
and
so
we'll
move
on,
see
appendix
tour
and
Liam
I.
Think
it's
going
to
present
this
report
so
Liam
when
you're
ready
work
away.
U
Thank
you
chair
and
this
application
seeks
outline
planning
permission
for
a
single
dwelling
with
an
infill
site.
The
site
is
located
outside
any
settlement.
Limit
I
was
defined
in
the
Craig
Garden
area
plan
and
therefore
the
policy
context
for
consideration
of
this
application
is
provided
by
the
spps
on
pps21
cty,
yet
or
PPS
21
states
permission
will
be
refused
for
a
building
was
create
or
asked
to
revenue
development.
U
Excuse
me,
notwithstounding
us
a
continues
that
exception
will
be
permitted
or
for
separate
Criterion
are
met.
The
four
Criterion
are
that
the
Gap
must
be
within
another
way,
substantial
and
continuously
built
up
from
it,
but
the
Gap
must
be
small,
sufficient
only
to
accommodate
a
maximum
of
two
houses,
but
the
existing
development
pattern
along
the
front.
This
must
be
respected
and
that
other
planning
and
environmental
requirements
are
met.
In
this
instance,
officers
are
satisfied.
The
criteria
are
want
to
satisfy,
as
the
application
site
lies
within
a
substantial
and
continuously
built-up.
Frontage
officers
are
also
satisfy.
U
The
Criterion
too
has
been
met
and
that
the
application
say
it
represents
a
small
Gap.
The
third
Criterion
requires
that
the
proposed
development
respects
the
existing
development
pattern
along
the
established
Frontage
The
Proposal
is
for
a
dwelling,
and
therefore
the
existing
development
pattern
is
defined
by
the
say,
scaled
and
deciding
and
plot
phases
of
the
dwellings
that
may
occupied,
from
which
the
dwelling
at
number
seven
has
a
phonology
of
approximately
26
meters
and
widens
out
to
70
meters
at
its
rear
boundary,
with
triangular
plot
size
of
approximately
0.147
hectares.
U
U
The
gap
between
number
three
and
number
seven
Laurel
Hill
Road
is
approximately
70
meters,
but
the
plot
width
of
the
site
that
land
in
red
is
approximately
22
meters
in
width
of
us
has
considered
that
if
a
dwelling
were
to
be
located
within
this
normal
plot
width,
it
would
be
out
of
keeping
with
the
established
pattern
of
development.
Therefore,
the
third
Criterion
has
not
been
complied
with,
and
the
proposed
infill
dwelling
would
be
out
of
character
with
the
established
pattern
of
development.
U
That's
theater
to
say
this
position
between
two
existing
dwellings
and
benefits
from
a
VAP
backdrop
provided
by
a
land
to
the
rear
is
considered
that
a
suitably
conditioned
dwelling
with
integrate
a
satisfactory
into
this
landscaping
and
therefore
Criterion
four
of
cty
it
would
be
complied
with
as
a
proposal
does
not
comply
with
the
exceptions
only
in
ctua.
Yet,
therefore,
the
proposal
is
not
one
of
the
specified
types
of
development
considered
to
be
acceptable
in
the
countryside
under
cty1,
and
therefore
the
principle
of
a
dwelling
in
this
site
is
therefore
not
considered
acceptable.
U
I
was
have
considered
with
improved
Landscaping
subject,
to
condition
that
the
state
could
provide
a
suitable
degree
of
enclosure
for
a
dwelling
when
considering
the
Topography
of
the
state
and
Australian
lands
on
existing
boundary
definition.
The
Proposal,
however,
does
not
qualified
as
an
exception
under
cty.
Yet
mainly
not
a
dwelling
on
site
would
adversely
impact
on
Rural
character
by
reason
of
creating
Suburban
style,
buildup
of
development
and
creating
a
ribbon
of
development.
U
It
is
considered
the
proposed
development
does
not
comply
with
the
spps
and
policy
cty
yet,
and
cty
14
terms
of
access
and
parking
officers
and
consultation
DFA
roads
consider
that
in
principle,
an
axis
can
be
obtained
from
the
state
in
a
safe
manner
in
terms
of
impact
and
residential
immunity.
Officers
are
satisfied
that
are
carefully
designed
and
say
the
dwelling
could
be
provided
on
site
subject
to
the
opposition
of
conditions
that
would
not
unduly
impact
on
residential
immunity
and
in
terms
of
pps6
archeology
and
build
Heritage.
U
U
U
U
View
of
the
site,
looking
black
across
the
the
other
road
to
the
rear,
you
can
see
the
the
side
annotated
by
the
blue
arrow
and
again,
looking
from
the
Donna
Tony
road
back
towards
Laurel,
Hill
Road,
and
you
can
see
the
I
think
you
can
just
make
out
the
sort
of
constraint
nature
of
the
site.
I'm
not
here,
to
buy
the
blue
arrow.
U
U
Basically,
in
this
instance,
when
the
PSC
looked
at
it,
they
found
that
the
development
pattern,
as
defined
by
the
two
existing
Plus
Sizes
with
such
that
if
a
u-plot
was
created
by
the
lands
I
land
in
red,
that
it
would
not
be
reflective
of
the
plot
size
within
the
Define
Frontage,
and
for
that
reason
the
application
was
dismissed
at
the
appeal
state.
Thank
you.
T
A
T
A
Info,
no
very,
very
interesting
that
will
have
another
in
Phil
before
us
on
this
time.
Usually
the
they're
too
big.
It's
not
really
the
the
kiss,
but
this
time
they're
too
small,
but
whatever
and
I
will
open
for
questions.
I
have
one
myself
and
it's
just
I've
sort
of
took
the
liberty
looking
on
the
maps
and
waited
out
one
of
your
shots
just
to
show
the
Donna
Clooney
Road,
there's
sort
of
like
a
collection
of
three
I
know
it's
on
a
different
road,
but
it's
it's
in
the
vicinity.
A
If
you
like,
and
some
of
those
footages
are
quite
narrow
and
I
know,
it'll
not
have
been
measured,
probably
because
they're
on
a
different
route,
but
just
in
in
in
view
of
the
narrowness
of
the
the
site
on
Laurel
Hill
Road.
Was
there
any
consideration
given
to
the
I
know
you
talked
about
clustering
or
not
as
well,
but
I.
V
U
U
So
that's
why
I'd
highlighted
that
appeal
decision,
because
it
was
again
reliant
on
two
plus
phonologists
and
which
is
similar
in
this
case.
So
the
two
plus
front
edges
are
number
seven
and
number
three
Laurel
Hill
Road
and
they're.
The
only
consideration
in
terms
of
what
actually
defines
that
Frontage
and
when
we
look
at
the
the
the
the
policy
it
said
it
shall
respect
the
development
along
the
frontage.
A
This
was
just
following
author
I'd
stand
there
on
the
Laurel,
Hill
Road
say
it
immediately
to
the
rate
I
mean
there's
sort
of
a
character
of
odd.
You
know,
carve-ups
of
of
fields
are
in
terms
of
how
sites
are
positioned.
I
mean
that
I
wanted
them
to
lead.
To.
The
rate
looks
like
you
know:
the
field
has
been
slipped
diagonally.
A
U
U
N
N
H
U
U
It
extends
from
one
road
to
the
Laurel
Hill
Laurel
Hill
Road,
which
the
application
site
has
a
front.
They
just
want
to
right
through
to
Donald
cloney
Road.
That's
approximately
125
meters
in
length
from
road
to
Road
and
I
met
I
mean
if
officers
were
even
of
mind
to
consider
that
this
was
an
acceptable
infill
site.
We
would
be
conditioning
that
the
extent
of
the
cartilage
would
be
significantly
reduced.
U
It
would
never
be
that
length
of
120
meters,
so
the
the
rare
Lane
has
drawn
there
is
is
probably
for
artistic
Merit
to
try
and
create
an
artificial
sort
of
enlarged
cartilage.
That
would
never
be
something
that
we
would
look
at
favorably
in
terms
of
a
planning
condition
attached
to
an
outline
planning
condition
to
have
a
sort
of
a
more
uniform
cartilage
there.
U
Basically,
that
would
be
chopped
in
half
along
those
lanes
and
in
that
respect,
when
you
look
at
the
overall
state
area
of
something
like
that,
then
and
on
the
Frontage,
it
will
have
onto
the
road
of
approximately
22
meters.
Given
the
other
figures
that
have
been
articulated
in
the
report,
we
did
feel
that
that
was
out
of
character.
N
N
Yes,
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
suppose.
My
question
is
when
we're
always
told
that
we
can't
hypothesize
and
so
on,
that
we'll
have
to
go
with
a
planning
application
before
us
and
do
we
not
have
to
go
with
the
red
line
before
us
in
that
instance,
and
then
the
second
question
sub
question
that
would
be
if
that
was
chapter
in
half.
What
would
that
plot
reob
and
how
would
that
compare
to
the
plot
area
of
number
seven,
those
two
questions
Joe.
Thank
you.
U
Nowhere
we
are
asked
to
to
look
at
the
real
name,
Council,
that
we
are
quite
right,
but
what
I'm
saying
to
you
is
that
wouldn't
be
unacceptable
in
in
in
officer's
age
that
wouldn't
be
an
acceptable
cartilage.
If
we
were
amended
to
approve
this
application,
we
would
be
conditioning
that
that
residential
cartilage
would
be
significantly
reduced
in
that
respect.
So,
yes,
whilst
we
are
truly
going
to
consider
the
red
lane,
the
merits
of
the
case
dictate
that
we
have
to
condition
as
we
see
fit
and
I
suppose.
N
J
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
suppose,
just
from
your
mind
and
whilst
visually
I
can
see,
you
know
the
very
significant
differences
in
the
shapes
of
the
sites.
If
I
can
just
ask
point
of
clarity,
I
know
Liam
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
it's
relevant
or
not,
but
I
know.
You've
stated
that
the
measurement
between
poster
house
from
three
to
seven
is
just
over
70
meters
and
then
in
terms
of
the
width
of
the
site
in
red
is
currently
three
Mr
chairman
in
22
meters
whereabouts.
J
A
J
Sorry
Mr
chairman
I,
may
have
not
been
entirely
clear
on
that.
I
appreciate
that
so
that
measurement's
taken
from,
but
in
relation
to
the
application
site
and
the
measurement
of
the
width
of
the
site,
is
it
22
meters
at
what
point
on
the
site
or
what
location
on
the
site
is
that
22
meters
taken
from?
Is
it
from
the
very
front
of
the
road
or
is
it
from
the
middle
of
the
site
or
the
back
of
the
site?.
J
Wait
like
the
address
of
number
seven
that
state
is
narrow
at
the
front
and
widens
out
to
the
back
and
which
is
entirely
different
than
plot
Number
Three.
What
is
the
measurement
then
from
the
width
of
the
property
at
number?
Seven,
that
would
be
the
direct
Frontage
onto
the
road
because
it
looks
to
me
based
on
this.
That
is
entirely
in
keeping
with
the
width
of
the
entrance
that
would
be
accessing
the
site
that
is
proposed
before
us.
So
maybe,
if
we
get
a
bit
of
clarity
around
that.
U
U
Our
front
is
so
you
would
have
26
we'll
put
on
up
to
70
meters,
and
then
you
have
a
box
sort
of
site
of
60
meters.
All
around
the
character.
We
believe,
as
defined
by
those
two
properties,
is
very
different
than
what
you
would
have
with
the
set
of
a
26
meter
curve
Frontage
and
an
elongated
linear
plot
size
of
22
meters
in
width.
N
Yeah
suppose
I
had
a
different
question,
but
I'd
actually
want
to
head
on
a
point
kinds.
Of
course
we
said
there
and
maybe
an
answer
from
Liam,
because
the
rate
we
were
told
initially
in
our
presentation
that
the
plot
Frontage
was
22
meters.
But
thank
Liam
mentioned
that
the
actual
curvature
of
the
nature
of
that
band
on
the
Frontage
there
of
this
proposed
side.
It's
actually
26
meters
and
not
the
26
meters-
is
also
in
keeping
with
the
plot
Frontage
of
number
seven
onto
the
road.
A
U
No,
those
those
numbers
are
correct,
answer
yeah,
but
I
suppose
what
we
were
saying
is
like
it's
not
just
about
the
plot
Frontage
per
se.
It
was
what
to
do
with
the
plot,
say
scale
and
the
visual
representation
that
has
onto
the
road
they're
all
formed
part
of
the
consideration
as
part
of
the
policy.
N
U
A
U
Yeah
thanks
Char
just
to
add
to
to
Liam's
Point
their
chair
and
maybe
just
to
help
members
consideration
of
this.
If
a
proposal
is
deemed
not
to
be
in
compliance
with
any
of
the
policies
within
PPS
21,
then
it
would
be
seen
to
contribute
to
ribbon
development.
So
in
other
words,
if
a
complies,
a
form
of
the
policies
is
susceptible
in
policy
terms
and
ribbon
development
doesn't
kick
in,
but
the
opposite
applies.
If,
if
it
is
can't
read
to
any
one
of
the
policies
in
pps21,
hopefully
that
is
helpful.
Sure.
J
Have
we
considered
the
distance
between
number
three
on
the
proposed
dwelling
number
seven
on
the
who's
dwelling
on
the
other
side,
because
it
looks
to
me
based
on
some
of
the
drawing,
so
that
actually
would
be
fairly
even
between
the
two.
So
with
that
point,
that
would
actually
make
potentially
make
it
look
like
these
are
shut.
Unequal
distance
apart
so
could
be
interpreted
as
being
sympathetic
to
the
area
despite
the
narrow,
the
narrow
nature
of
the
site,
but
also,
then,
the
frontage
of
the
site
at
number.
J
U
No
essentially,
I
suppose
are
our
only
consideration
is
the
gap
between
buildings
and
that's
what
the
policy
directs
us
to
how
buildings
are
orientated
on
the
ground
in
terms
of
indicative
site.
Layouts
can
be
misleading,
I
suppose
in
some
instances,
but
our
interpretation
was
that
a
dwelling
located
on
that
site
would
be
out
of
keeping
with
the
defined
character
as
defined
by
the
two
plots.
I
suppose
I
I
can't
be
any
more
descriptive
than
that.
A
U
T
U
A
We
have
fulfilled
our
question
and
duties
now
on
this
one
I
don't
know
any
other
problems
regards
that
I've
used
them
all.
They
are
not
great,
but
I,
don't
have
to
say
we're
all
tired,
I.
Think
just
are
we
members?
Okay,
any
other
queries
at
this
point
or
we'll
push
you
on
then,
and
then
okay,
members
of
Windows
there,
okay,
sir
lavra.
N
Thank
you,
Cherry
I'll,
probably
go
under
the
bed,
rather
I,
don't
hear
any
more
puns,
suppose
yeah.
She
here,
we're
like
another
and
I
was
a
bit
surprised
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
character
argument
and
that
they
are
going
to
be
in
put
forward
by
offices
that
the
Savage,
the
platters
out
of
keeping
with
the
character
of
the
surrounding
developments,
get
the
housing
type
and
question
is
within
the
same
kind
of
characters.
N
Number
seven,
the
plot
from
touch
to
the
road,
the
other
part
Frontage
to
the
road,
is
identical
to
that
of
number
seven
and
the
plot
size
is
greater
than
that
of
number
seven.
Although
it's
Liam
pointed
out,
maybe
there
will
be
some
closer
to
to
move
it
back
a
bit,
in
which
case
it
will
come
and
even
with
number
seven
who
might
by
the
way,
I'm
thinking,
there's
a
side
of
character.
N
I
cannot
have
the
same
busy
size
of
house,
the
same
road
Frontage
and
the
same
plot
size
as
the
dwelling
already
within
that
within
that
development
there,
because
of
it,
all
those
things
are
treated
and
it
will
be
uncharacter
with
the
potential
for
development.
There
therefore
will
be
suitable
for
a
gap
site
and,
as
Damian
I
think
pointed
out,
if
it's
suitable
for
a
gap
site
nailer
criteria
which
will
be
then
the
revenue
of
development
wouldn't
really
comment.
N
K
G
K
So,
thank
you.
You
know
many
second
at
the
minute
is
Melodies
and
full
sites
on
what
I
filter
dreaded
right
here
that
will
go
and
have
a
look
at
this,
because
you
know
the
pictures
aren't
entirely
clear
on
that's
today,
the
very
tourism
last
month
and
having
a
look
at
that
chlorophyed
it
immediately
what
the
situation
was,
and
you
know
that
is
currently
my
thinking
sure
I
have
a
Zona
to
save
our
sales
pictures.
A
J
Thanks
Mr,
chairman
I
think
we're
probably
gonna
have
three
differing
views
on
on
the
floor.
I
think
I'm,
comparing
the
planning
P
decision,
that
is
in
the
papers
as
well
and
the
reason
given
you
know
on
it
and
they're
gonna,
just
say:
I'm,
probably
much
more
sympathetic
to
Liam's
assessment
of
the
of
the
case,
then
maybe
I
would
like
to
be,
but
that's
for
a
faint
myself
in
this
point
in
time.
A
Okay,
members
see
any
other
lights
on,
so
the
movie
then
go
into
it
or
the
decision
fears
were
tremendation
that
were
made
of
a
number
up,
but
we're
still
here
today
with
but
we'll
take
them
as
they
come
so
and
I'm
open
to
them.
Now
he
remembers.
If
you
want
to
make
your
proposals
kind
of
sort
of
Cosby
and.
N
Yes,
thank
you
I
suppose
it
was
taken
on
the
County
Oregon
serve
with
cancer
Salvage
and
cancer
Cosby
and
start
with
cancer.
Cosby's,
first
and
I,
don't
know
I
think
there's
maybe
some
arithmetics
skills
needed
by
conster
Cosby,
because
it's
if
you
look
at
the
comparable
Planet
the
plot
Frontage
is
mentioned
in
that
are
plot
size
is
mentioned,
and
that
was
half
of
the
comparable
sites,
whereas
I
think
Liam
said
on
his
own
account
there
that
the
plot
size
would
be
a
comparable
nature.
A
A
Y
Y
The
ramp
is
a
u-ship
design,
with
a
double
1.3
meter,
wide
surface
width
to
allow
for
suitable
gradient.
The
structure
includes
a
1.15
meter,
double
handrail
and
the
ramp
is
finished
and
painted
gray
Timber.
The
recommendation
is
to
approve
consent,
as
set
out
in
the
main
planning
report
and
I'll
just
go
through
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
N
Y
Y
You
can
see
the
point
next
side
pays
just
this
is
in
towards
the
site,
then
just
looking
from
the
main
road,
it's
just
an
off
behind
next
slide
place,
it's
just
to
view
them
from
the
back
looking
towards
at
the
sites
fairly
well,
concealed,
really
because
there's
a
a
wall
which
surrounds
the
town
hall,
but
as
a
Leicester
building.
It's
still
subject
to
these
procedures
next
slide.
Please,
and
this
is
the
ramp
it's
actually
in
place.
A
A
A
No
device
or
no
decisions
or
no
everybody's
punctured
out
earlier,
basically
right:
okay,
everybody's,
very
content
with
us,
we'll
in
the
wfps
I,
will
voice
my
contentment
with
it
and
perhaps
we
can
move
the
end
of
the
decision
appears
and
listen
members
as
a
ramp.
So
there's
not
too
much
controversy.
I,
don't
think
around
this
one.
It's
going
to
help
people
get
in
the
building
which
will
be
a
benefit.
Obviously
counselor
Wilson.
F
A
Okay,
members
I
have
no
other
proposals,
so
we
just
ask
if
the
life
well
suppose
thanks
everybody
for
coming
thanks
to
all
the
officer
team
and
the
husband
and
it's
been
a
long
meeting
on
a
very
resource
heavy
meeting,
so
we're
not
either
touched
on
that
point.
We
realize
that
we'll
thank
everybody
for
their
efforts
for
turning
up
all
the
rest
of
it.
So
thanks
very
much
we
can
stop
my
life.