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Planning Commission - September 14, 2022
A
B
A
D
Yes,
sir,
we
do
have
a
quorum
for
tonight's
meeting.
Okay,.
A
A
G
G
Those
changes
were
presented
to
the
planning
commission
earlier
this
year
and
forwarded
to
the
full
council
for
approval
staff
in
the
development
community
have
been
working
on
with
the
new
ordinances
since
kenny
keith's
collaborative
has
since
been
looking
at
modifications
to
our
on
to
our
entire
uldc
to
modernize
and
upgrade
zoning
classifications
and
other
parts
of
the
code.
G
I'd
like
to
introduce
now
by
zoom,
mr
brian
mabry
who'll,
be
making
the
kinder
keys
presentation
all
right.
Thank
you.
If
we
could
get
technology
to
cue
them
and
it'd
be
great.
J
A
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
skip
over
to
the
next
item.
We
did
have
some
technical
difficulty
with
the
presentation
mississippi.
G
Yeah,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
commission,
I
sent
out
a
notification
to
the
commissioners
earlier
this
week
about
planning,
commission
or
training
personally
to
louisiana
act,
8,
59
and
revised
statute,
33
103.1
mandates,
four
hours
of
approved
training
for
planning,
commissioners,
advisory
board
members,
historic
district
commissioners
and
boards
of
zoning
adjustment
before
or
during
their
first
year,
public
service.
G
There
are
two
opportunities
to
do
this
this
year.
One
is
being
held
october,
1st
in
tangipahoa
parish
and
the
other
is
november.
I'm
sorry
not
november
1st,
but
it's.
G
11Th
friday
november
11th
in
new
orleans,
so
if
you
would
like
to
attend
any
one
of
those
sessions,
I
sent
out
the
information
you
can
register
online
they're
free
of
charge,
but
you
will
have
to
you
know,
drive
there
all
right.
So
let
me
know
if
you
need
any
more
information
about
that
and
that's
all
I
have
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
mr
poche
all
right
for
his.
Thank
you,
mr
fournier.
I
I
I
The
cannon
road
what
they
did
was
they
went
through
and
improved
the
base
move,
though
the
shoulders
and
they
put
their
first
layer
there,
they
tack
coat
and
they
put
their
first
layer
of
asphalt
on
it.
What
they're
going
to
do
is
now
they
put
temporary
striping
on
it,
they're
going
to
get
the
subdivision
streets
done
and
when
they
put
the
final
paving
surface
on
those
the
wearing
course
in
the
subdivision,
they're
going
to
do
the
final
course
on
on
on
cannon
road
and
do
them
both
at
the
same
time,
okay,
okay,.
A
Okay.
Next
item
is
engineering
report.
Do
we
have
an
engineering
report
this
month?
There's
no
report
this
evening.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Our
next
item
is
the
approval
of
denial
of
the
minutes
of
the
august
10th
2022
planning
commission
meeting
make
a
motion
approved.
Have
a
motion
to
approve
mr
secretary
any
discussion
on
that
those
in
favor
aye
aye
all
right.
A
We
have
affidavit
for
mortgage
declaration,
chad,
duplicity,
lot,
cg2a,
43256,
bayou,
northeast
road,
gonzales,
louisiana,
affidavit
of
mortgage
declaration,
scott
guitro
lot,
lg6b3a
one:
two:
zero:
two
one:
two:
two:
zero:
two
laurel
ridge,
road
cinema,
affidavit
of
mortgage
declaration,
robert
dustin,
o'berry,
lot,
two
three:
seven:
two:
eight
six
norris
trails,
road,
prairieville,
louisiana,
affidavit
of
mortgage
declaration,
david
g,
vicknair
and
barbara
s,
pickner
lot
c,
one:
one:
zero:
three:
four:
seven:
taylor
sheets,
road,
santa
mont,
louisiana.
A
A
Motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
by
mr
kluwer.
Do
we
have
a
second
second
segment?
Mr
villa
any
discussion
on
any
I'm
sorry,
it's
consent
agenda.
Let's
cash,
your
votes,
please,
all
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye,
aye,
that's
approved
unanimously.
A
J
A
Public
hearing
to
approve
or
deny
the
following
family
partitions:
the
first
is
william:
a
king
ii
rhonda
king,
william
austin
king
and
sandra
d,
jenkins,
lot,
6
b1,
b1,
6,
b1,
b2
and
6b1b3
quality
engineering
and
surveying
llcs
in
council
district
six.
Do
we
have
anyone
here
to
speak
with
regard
to
this
family
petition?
A
J
C
No
just
the
one
the
access
will
be
off
of
riverside
drive
there.
L
Yes,
for
two
of
the
lots
and
then
the
there
you
also
have
one
of
the
lots
that's
running
on
highway
42.
C
I
L
A
A
K
N
A
C
Have
any
questions
yeah,
so
you
are
creating
three
or
more
lots,
so
you'll
be
required
to
have
the
the
25
by
20
page
concrete,
coming
off
of
that
by
nrc's.
I
think
it
is.
C
And
then
does
17
402
6
apply
to
that
where
they
have
to
have
drainage
dish
on
either
side
of
that
that
access.
I
C
N
C
Okay,
another
question:
I
saw
because
the
power
comes
off
of
that
cannon
estates-
road,
okay,
right,
the
one
running
along,
so
I
don't
know
why
they
would
need-
I
don't
think
energy
or
dimko,
whoever
it
is-
is
going
to
run
power
all
the
way
from
buying
rc
they're
going
to
come
off
the
back
side
right
there
there's
already
transformers.
C
I
wouldn't
think
that'd
be
a
big
problem.
Okay,
so
the
utility
was
already
moved.
All
we
need
is
the
access
the
drive,
30
foot,
the.
C
J
I
C
I
Yes,
when
it
accesses
three
or
more
lots,
minimum
construction
standard
is
that's,
that's
correct.
There
has
to
be
a
a
a
paved
road,
either
hard
surface
or,
like
I
said,
either
hard
surface
of
gravel
four
inches
thick
on
the
road
bellies
24
feet
in
width
with
adequate
drainage,
ditches
on
either
side
that's
correct,
and
that
has
to
be
constructed
prior
to
the
first
building
permit
being
issued.
C
A
A
A
A
Motion
to
approve
motion
moves
to
cool
out
second
segment,
mr
miller,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
eye
no
opposition
that
passes
unanimously
item
11c,
howard,
k,
moore
property,
lots,
2a
and
2b
girls
and
associates
once
again
welcome.
Thank
you.
A
And
I
assume
you're
here
to
answer
questions
again
right.
That's
right!
Okay,
mr
miller,
any
questions,
okay,
commissions,
any
questions
with
regard
to
item
11c,
any
questions;
okay!
It's
a
public
hearing
on
item
11c,
howard,
k,
moore
property,
logs
2a
and
2b.
Any
members
of
the
public
have
comment
on
this
agenda
item.
A
No
comment.
Public
hearing
is
closed.
Do
we
have
a
motion
motion
to
approve
a
second
okay?
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
on
mr
miller
second
by
mr
avila.
Do
we
have
any
discussion?
No,
no
discussion,
cashier
votes,
please
all
those
in
favor
no
opposed
item.
What
do
your
ee
item
d?
We
have
so
many
roberta
o,
rushing
property
tracks,
e1
a1,
a
and
e1
a1b
girls
and
associates.
A
Welcome.
Thank
you
here
to
answer
questions.
I
assume
yes,
sir
commissioners,
any
questions
yeah.
No,
no.
A
O
My
name
is
donna.
Rushing
robinson,
I
lived
on
that
tract
of
land
just
had
a
question
about
how
they
would
access
the
property
that
they're
looking
at
is
that
even
the
time
or
the
place.
A
I
I'm
gonna
ask
that
you
know
for
this.
Is
we
have
a
public
record
here
and
we
we'd
like
to
understand
what
y'all
are.
A
N
N
O
A
Correct
okay!
So
what
I'm
gonna?
What
I'm
gonna
ask
is
to
bring
this
back
to
more
of
a
public
hearing
that
miss
robinson,
you
just
state
your
opposition
and
the
reason
for
your
opposition
will
ask
for
a
response
from
the
surveyor
and
then
we
will.
You
know
any
other
public
comment,
we'll
listen
to
and
then
we'll
make
a
determination
as
to
how
to
move
forward
rather
than
having
an
ongoing
discussion.
Okay,.
O
A
Do
you
have
any
comment
with
regard
to
the
latest
concerns.
A
Commissionership,
I'm
sorry,
this
is
still
a
public
hearing.
You
have.
Anyone
else
would
like
to
speak
in
regard
to
this
agenda
item.
P
P
K
K
K
So
I'm
saying,
if
it's
like
the
other
public
comment,
there
was
a
gravel
drive
shown.
There's
nothing.
N
K
P
P
K
K
P
There's
black
bayou
and
then
hot
lane
excuse
me
that
goes
just
to
dom.
Oh,
it's
not
up
there.
Donna,
robinson's
property.
I
P
There's
a
paved
road
rosa
road
which
is
behind
that
property
that,
but
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that's
accessible.
You
know,
I
don't
know
what
the
rules
are
about.
C
I
C
And
the
the
gravel
driveway
that
comes
off
of
hot
lane
there
going
to
miss
was
it
rushing,
I
believe,
that's
not
effective.
C
A
The
applicant's
not
here-
and
I
appreciate
that
her
mother
was
speaking-
I
would
frankly
myself
prefer
to
hear
from
the
applicant
since
there
are
a
lot
of
questions
we
have
that
no
one
is
really
able
to
answer
definitively.
B
I
agree,
and
obviously
I
know
a
lot
of
y'all
family
so
that
if
there's
some
way
that
elizabeth
and
liam
and
ali
all
can
kind
of,
I
don't
know,
come
to
to
try
to
work
it
out
or
what
would
work
with
jerome
and
them
to
see.
B
O
A
That's
three
minutes.
Okay,
thank
you
all
for
your
comments.
This
I'm
sorry
ma'am!
I
don't
mean
I
don't.
I
just
don't
mean
to
be
rude.
Our
rules
allow
for
three
minutes
for
individuals
to
speak
during
the
public
hearing.
I
recognize
you've
been
asked
a
lot
of
questions
and
you
know
that's
great.
I
don't
mean
to
be
rude
by
saying
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
unless
there's
someone
else
that
has
comments
on
this
particular
item.
A
Okay.
Public
hearing
is
closed.
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
recommend
this
chairman
that
we
I'm
gonna
ask
for
a
motion
to
defer
this
to
our
next
meeting.
Commissioner.
D
K
Okay,
now,
mr
attorney.
A
Yes,
sir,
thank
you.
Okay,
now
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
to
defer
motion
to
defer
to
our
next
meeting.
Thank
you
by
the
way.
Second,
second,
mr
villain,
okay,
are
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye,
okay,
thank
you
and
I'm
sorry,
we
we
we
we
want
to
get
through
this
correctly
and
peacefully
and
make
sure
that
everything
is
properly
addressed.
We
just
didn't
feel
like
we
had
all
the
answers
that
we
needed
to
make
a
recommendation.
I'm.
D
A
A
F
Item,
commissioner
yeah,
yes,
I
think
we
have
the
issues
resolved
if
you
want
to
go
back
to
the
front
to
the
first
item
or
if
you
want
to
continue.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know.
A
Well,
we
have
another
we're
going
to
have
another
presentation
also,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
do
the
presentations
now,
please
we'll
do
the
presentation.
Okay,
we
have
two
presentations.
M
Okay,
hello,
everyone
again,
brian
mabry,
hoping
that
you
can
hear
me:
yes,
wonderful,
okay,
great
brian
mabry,
from
kinder
keys
collaborative.
M
I
just
have
a
a
short
presentation
for
you
all
where
my
screen
is
now
being
shared
to
update
you
on
the
unified
land
development
code,
update
that
we're
working
on
this
is
sort
of
a
check-in
and
it's
focusing
on
the
residential
districts,
and
we
will
be
taking
a
look
real,
quick
here
with
some
key
points
of
the
of
the
presentation
of
consolidating.
M
Well,
let
me
say
first
of
creating
a
new
district
that
we're
tentatively
calling
countryside
or
abbreviating
the
ct
that
would
be
mostly
for
the
east
side,
far
east
side
of
the
parish
related
to
the
coastal
zone,
consolidating
the
existing
conservation
and
rural
districts
into
sort
of
an
updated
conservation,
district,
refining
and
reworking
the
residential
medium
district
and
having
within
those
districts
what
we
call
development
options
that
are
buy
right
options
or
choices
for
the
applicant
that
relate
mostly
to
the
amount
of
open
space
that's
being
required
and
by
open
space.
M
I
mean
anything
from
more
formalized
parks
to
less
formalized
space,
that's
sort
of
rural
in
character
or
natural
in
character,
and
preserves
sort
of
the
rural
feel
of
much
of
the
parish,
and
I
should
say
also
that
this
project
as
a
whole
is
not
focused
on
any
one
property.
This
is
a
change
to
the
written
rules
of
and
to
an
extent,
to
the
map,
the
the
zoning
map
of
the
parish.
It's
not
about
any
one,
certain
property
or
group
of
properties
or
corridors.
It's
it's.
M
The
written
rules
that
we're
talking
about
providing
changes
to
so
again
back
to
that
creation
of
buy
right
development
options.
They
have
a
lot
of
advantages
to
them.
They
create
some
flexibility
so
that
an
applicant
can
do
different
kinds
of
developments
without
needing
a
planned
unit
development.
M
M
Consolidation
going
on
the
there
are
opportunities
for
more
streamlining
when
there
are
when
you're,
when
you're
zoning
districts
can
take
on
more
different
types
of
development,
and
then
that
becomes
streamlining
when
an
applicant
doesn't
even
have
to
ask
for
a
rezoning,
because
the
rules
written
rules
of
your
uldc
accommodate
different
kinds
of
development.
So
I
kind
of
already
mentioned
what
I
mean
by
open
space.
It
can
accommodate
tree
preservation,
storm
water
improvements
and
a
bunch
of
other
things
that
promote
the
rural
character
of
the
parish.
M
We
have
to
balance
things
as
we're
working
through
this,
and
you
probably
might
have
seen
this
slide
before.
If
you're
new,
you
probably
haven't,
seen
it
but
balancing
two
different
kind
of
philosophies
of,
on
the
one
hand,
no
growth
there
on
the
left
versus
unchecked
growth
on
the
right
and
having
a
happy
medium,
where
there
is
responsible
and
growth
sustainable
growth,
which
means
that
growth
can
happen
in
the
present.
M
But
it
doesn't
sacrifice
the
needs
of
future
generations
at
the
expense
of
them
and
fiscally
responsible
growth,
so
that
that
the
new
developments
and
the
services
that
the
parish
provides
to
them,
you
know
pay
for
themselves.
Sort
of
this
is
our
team
very
quickly.
That's
working
on
this
down
at
the
bottom
is
kenda
keys
and
then
on
the
right
is
tishler
advice.
They
are
more
about
the
financing
and
the
sort
of
growth
paying
for
itself
piece.
M
I
just
talked
about
more
than
the
written
parts
of
the
code
that
we
are
focusing
on,
of
course,
as
far
as
city
staff
or
I'm
sorry,
parish,
staff
goes
jerome
and
ricky
are
really
who
we're
immediately
answering
to.
But
overall
it's
the
the
citizens
of
the
parish,
the
parish
council
and
the
planning
commission
that
are
that
are
really
calling
the
shots
in
the
end,
because
you
all
will
make
a
recommendation
to
the
council
when
we're
at
that
point
for
any
of
the
content.
M
That's
in
this
update
and
then,
of
course,
the
council,
as
as
a
text
amendment
and
a
potentially
part
of
a
map,
amendment
would
be
acting.
Have
the
final
say
on
that
as
the
parish
council
and
as
the
legislative
body.
M
This
gives
you
a
idea
of
what
we've
accomplished
so
far
kind
of
in
a
timeline
format,
starting
in
august
of
last
year,
and
going
and
having
some
orientation
and
kickoff
meetings
with
different
people
and
from
the
public
in
the
parish,
doing
a
diagnosis
of
your
existing
regulations
and
showing
what
we
believe
would
be
improvements,
and
it
would
help
implement
your
your
comprehensive
plan.
M
We
also
did
some,
as
I
mentioned,
some
priority
code
updates
and
a
lot
of
these
had
to
do
with
with
drainage
some
with
traffic
and
traffic
impact
analyses
and
also
some
just
minor
cleanups
throughout
your
unified
land
development
code
and
those
were
approved
in
april
and
may
of
this
year.
So
now
we're
in
sort
of
the
color
phase
of
the
the
timeline
going
forward
where
we
are
working
on
less
urgent
updates,
but
still
important
updates
to
your
unified
land
development
code.
M
M
Excuse
me
again
parking
landscaping,
subdivision
standards,
then
the
second
module
will
be
more
procedurally
oriented,
so
the
steps
that
are
required
to
review
and
act
on
a
rezoning
or
a
variance
or
enforcement
and
non-conforming
uses
or
grandfathered
uses
things
of
that
nature.
So
it's
kind
of
divided
into
two
main
pieces
and
we're
still
in
the
first
module.
M
Like
I
said,
leading
up
to
adoption,
we
have
weekly
calls
with
parish
staff
to
update
them
as
to
where
we
are,
and
sometime
this,
this
coming
fall,
we
will
be
giving
more
likely
an
in-person
presentation
on
the
the
contents
of
module
one
as
a
whole
for
for
you
all
and
for
the
council.
But,
as
I
said,
this
presentation
is
more
concentrating
on
just
the
residential
districts,
because
those
are
are
very
important
and
control
sort
of
how
residentially
the
parish
grows
in
the
future.
M
So
this
is
sort
of
a
simplified
view
of
what
we're
working
on,
and
you
can
see
that
work
in
progress
there.
For
a
lot
of
that,
we
have
been
working
very
good
diligently
on
this
as
far
as
minimum
lot
areas
and
the
amounts
of
open
space
and
the
density
of
each
of
the
districts,
but
we're
still
they're
still
in
work
in
progress
just
like
it
says
so
that
you
know
I'm
just
letting.
M
You
know
that
that
those
are
not
forgotten
about-
and
we
know,
they're
important,
but
they're,
not
quite
ready
for
for
public
discussion.
Yet
so
we
would
again,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
kind
of
summary
slide,
propose
a
there
at
the
top,
a
new
countryside
district
that
would
have
the
largest
lots
and
be
the
least
dense
and
could
apply
over,
like
I
said
in
the
far
east
side
of
the
parish,
where
there
is
the
kind
of
the
least
amount
of
of
growth
in
the
most
natural
area,
as
the
countryside
name
implies.
M
Combining
in
that
next
row
set
of
rows
there
combining
your
existing
conservation
and
rural
district
into
just
calling
it
a
conservation
zoning
district
where
there
is
a
base,
minimum
lot
area
and
open
space
requirements
and
density,
but
also
a
clustering
option
and
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
about
clustering
in
a
minute,
but
where,
basically,
the
lots
are
closer
together
and
smaller.
But
overall
there
is
more
untouched
open
space
that
gets
preserved
on
the
in
within
the
subdivision.
M
But
then
there
are
clustering
options
where
each
one
has
a
little
more
open
space
required
so
that
there
is
still
more
of
a
rural
feel
that
gets
preserved
in
that
district
and
in
exchange
for
that
in
exchange
for
the
subdivider
going
through
the
trouble
and
expense
potentially
of
setting
aside,
you
know
a
large
amount
of
open
space.
M
We'll
keep
that
in
mind
that
we
don't
want
to
create
a
new
problem
of
something
like
increased
traffic,
where
we
don't
want
it
just
by
giving
away
these
additional
lots
in
exchange
for
the
the
developer.
Setting
aside
open
space
this
just
this
is
the
same
table,
but
a
different
set
of
images
that
give
you
a
better
idea
of
what
I
mean
by
clustering.
This
is
three
different
scenarios
where,
on
the
left,
five
acre
lots
with
18
houses
on
them,
so
18
lots
basically
and
no
open
space.
M
Each
of
these
are
private
lots
with
their.
You
know
they
could
have
fences
around
them
or
not-
probably
not
on
that
large
of
a
lot.
But
you
know
these
are:
are
are
private
lots
that
have
may
have
wooded
areas
on
them
may
have
you
know
whatever
they
may
have
sensitive
features
or
a
little
bit
of
topography
or
other
things
like
that.
M
The
middle
image
is
showing
30
open
space.
So
these
are
the
lot
boundaries
here.
The
kind
of
lighter
green
that
I'm
tracing
over
with
my
pointer,
but
the
darker
green,
is
set
aside
permanently
open
space
in
this
case
natural
area.
There's
a
200
foot
buffer
in
this.
You
know
conceptual
image
conceptual
drawing
here
that
separates
this
new
subdivision
from
the
existing
down
here
to
the
south.
M
But
you
know
it's
a
30
30
set
aside
of
open
space
and
in
this
case
it's
drawn
so
that
there
wasn't
any
bonus
there
aren't
it's
still
18
houses
on
18
lots
as
opposed
to
giving
a
few
extra
as
a
incentive
or
a
bonus
for
setting
aside
that
open
space,
and
then
this
third
image
is
60
open
space,
so
even
more
is
set
aside
compared
to
the
middle
and
certainly
compared
to
the
one
on
the
left.
The
lots
are
still
again
smaller.
M
There's
still
this
buffer
in
between
this
new
subdivision
and
the
existing
one
to
the
south,
there
could
be
a
flood
plain
over
here
that
gets
protected
by
this
open
space
being
set
aside
and
other
features
that
are
being
protected,
because,
if
you
know
over
here
here
on
the
left,
there's
nothing
stopping
anyone.
Each
of
these
property
owners
from
just
cutting
the
trees
down
or
whatever
and
kind
of
messing
up
the
real
character.
M
But
when
they're,
when
the
forest
or
wooded
areas
or
floodplains,
you
know
are
in
protected
open
space,
then
that
really
can't
be
done,
because
these
smaller
paler
green
sites
are
each
of
the
lots
in
this.
You
know
kind
of
conceptual
drawing
here
and
a
good
thing
for
the
subdivider
is
they're
not
penalized.
It's
not
that
they
can
no
longer
build
at
all
on
this
protected.
M
This
is-
and
this
is
a
lot
of
verbiage,
but
basically
it's
just.
There
was
a
study
by
the
epa
at
some
point
that
shows
the
bottom
line
being
that
with
clustering
and
with
some
of
the
incentives
that
come
with
it
like
natural
storm
water
treatment,
maybe
narrow,
like
with
swales
and
things
like
that
and
and
potentially
narrower
streets
in
some
cases
that
the
cost
per
lot
goes
down.
M
The
more
that
that
lots
are
clustered
in
this
manner
and
there
are
any
is,
as
you
can
see
in
that
upper
right
aerial
photo.
There
already
is
some
open
space
preservation
going
on
in
the
parish
and
sometimes
in
the
form
of
of
water
features
or
natural
water
areas
like
you
can
see
there,
but
in
all
we
kind
of
look
at
it
as
sort
of
a
win-win
on
several
accounts
where
the
public,
the
general
public,
gets
this
open.
M
The
reduction
in
the
cost
per
lot
that
we
that
I
mentioned
from
that
epa
study
helps
you
know
the
applicant,
the
subdivider
with
costs,
but
it
also
can
promote
more
housing
affordability,
since
it
costs
costs
less
to
develop
the
subdivision
and
then
also
finally,
rural
character
gets
maintained
with
this
permanently
set
aside
open
space
that
basically
can't
be
touched.
It's
not
like
it
would
be
set
aside
and
then,
ten
years
later,
a
new
applicant
comes
and
can
try
to
subdivide
it.
It's
a
permanent
set-aside.
M
So
that
concludes
sort
of
my
whirlwind
tour
of
our
thoughts
on
the
residential
districts,
and
I
know
it's
a
new
material
for
some
of
you
probably,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
questions.
Anyone
has
at
the
moment
or,
if
you
think
of
some
later,
if
you
can
get
them
to
staff,
they
would
forward
them
to
me
and
I'd
be
happy
to
address
them.
That
way
too.
A
G
You
have
a
good
year
good
evening,
mr
chairman
members
of
the
commission,
I'd
like
to
let
you
know
that
we,
as
brian
said
we're
continually
working
with
them.
We
have
a
a
zoom
call
with
them
every
every
week
and
so
we're
staying
in
touch
with
them.
We
hope
to
have
them
here
in
the
parish
in
the
next
month
or
two
to
give
a
live
presentation
to
kind
of
let
you
know
what
we're
doing
once
we
get
to
a
conclusion
on
this:
first
module:
okay,
thank
you.
Okay!
Well,.
A
G
Yeah
and
unfortunately,
mr
joey
terreaux
who's,
the
parish
engineer,
is
not
able
to
attend
tonight.
This
is
something
that
joey
asked
me
to
bring
to
you
as
a
planning
commission,
so
that
we
can
make
a
recommendation
to
the
full
council
to
make
these
changes
all
right.
But
I'd
like
to
preface
my
remarks
first
by
saying
that
in
2017,
the
parish
prior
to
2017,
the
parish
didn't
have
any
construction
standards
in
the
parent.
You
know
for
that.
We
had
adopted
by
parish,
we
utilized
things
from
east
baton,
rouge
parish.
G
So
one
of
those
is
the
street
construction
and,
through
the
course
of
this
work
we
have
asked.
Joey
has
asked
us
if
we
could
make
some
modifications
or
one
modification
to
the
base
course,
and
that
is
to
have,
and
I've
outlined
it
here
at
the
very
bottom.
Sufficient
portland
cement
shall
be
incorporated
to
yield
test
cylinder
breaks
of
not
less
than
200
psi.
A
A
There
are
two
proposed
we're
going
to
take
them
one
at
a
time,
although
they
are
connected,
the
12a
is
amend
the
ascension
parish
uldc
appendix
14,
subdivision
construction
specifications,
section
2
base
course
part
3,
execution,
3.1
c
proportioning,
and
that
was
the
the
the
change
in
the
psi.
That
mr
point
was
just
was
just
speaking
of
so
this
is
a
public
hearing
on
that
particular
item
is
anyone
in
attendance
that
would
like
to
speak
either
in
favor
or
in
opposition
to
that
particular
amendment
to
the
uldc.
C
It
would
be
nice
if
mr
truro
would
have
been
here
to
answer
these
questions,
because
I
know
he's
pretty
experienced
with
this:
reducing
to
the
200
psi.
Do
we
have
any
research
any
place
else
that
uses
a
reduced
psi?
That
shows
that
this
more
pliable
base
course
is.
C
Continue
to
have
these
presentations
with
no.
C
G
Before
I'm
not
sure
that
right
now-
but
I
you
know
if
I
could
maybe
press
upon
sean
he's
our
engineer-
and
I
know
I'm
putting
him
on
the
spot,
because
I
didn't
brief
him
in
this
earlier-
but
right.
H
Yeah,
you
really
matter
actually
I'm
deferred.
Did
you
win
this
they've
done
a
lot
of
research.
Jesus
once
came
with
the
recommendations
based
on
what
they're,
seeing
in
the
post
one
year,
maintenance
bond
inspections,
they're,
seeing
a
lot
of
cracking
and
there
ever
there's
a
lot
of
very
strong
areas
that
joey's
in-
and
this
is
definitely
one
of
when
it
comes
to
ribbon-
testing
road
recommendations,
construction
elements-
I've
typically
have
always
deferred
to
joey
on
these
recommendations
regarding
actual
application
and
subdivisions.
Considering.
M
H
And
tired
of
all
road
projects
within
the
parish
himself,
that's
just
it'd,
be
better
off
of
him
speaking
more
intelligent
about
the
topic.
Knowing
that
he's
done
the
research
on
this
and
that's
a
little
more
practical
experience
than
I
have
specifically
the
rhodes,
sub-base
oversight
of
construction
and
post
one-year
inspections.
Okay,.
C
Questions:
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
okay,.
A
Well,
we're
gonna,
ask
again:
is
there,
is
there
a
sense
of
urgency
that
we
make
a
recommendation
to
the
council
on
this.
G
A
G
Not
but
no.
B
I
mean
I
understand.
Oh
my.
I
agree
that
I
understand
what
commissioner
nick
is
saying,
but
also
I
I
I
trusted
joey
from
his
years
of
experience
working
for
d.o.t
as
a
chief
engineer
and
his
years
with
a
parish
that
whether
he's
here
or
not,
that
he
put
in
his
due
diligence
and
research
before
making
this
proposed
to
us
so
I'll,
make
a
motion
that
we
pass
to
the
council
for
approval.
C
A
motion
to
defer
until
we
can
get
with
joey
and
have
some
kind
of
presentation
from
him.
A
I
have
a
motion
to
defer,
would
you
say
to
the
next
meeting
as
opposed
to
when
we
can
get
with
joey
yeah.
A
To
defer,
until
the
next
meeting,
with
the
request
that
joey
be
here
to
or
or
prior
to
the
meeting,
he
can
provide
some
written
information
to
us.
We
have
a
second
a
second.
K
A
G
Address
this
one
yeah
again,
this
is
a
request
by
mr
turow,
the
parish
engineer,
and
this
would
actually
create
a
whole
new
section
in
the
subdivision
specifications
where
we're
going
to
do
an
asphalt,
rejuvenator,
emulsion
of
bituminous
pavements,
and
basically
this
is
an
overlay
that
they
would
put
on
the
on
the
on
the
asphalt
that
would,
basically,
you
know,
assist
with
the
cracking
that
was
occurring
prior
all
right.
G
A
Before
we
do
that,
this.
D
A
Are
going
to
enter
into
a
public
hearing
to
recommend
approval
or
denial
to
the
parish
council
amendments
to
the
ascension
parish,
unified
land
development
code?
This
is
going
to
be
12b
an
ordinance
to
amend
the
ascension
parish
uldc
appendix
14,
subdivision
construction
specifications,
section
6.1,
it's
a
new
section,
asphalt,
rejuvenator
emulsion
of
bituminous
pavements.
C
Is
this
the
project
that
joey
turo
was
discussing
with
ms
caso?
I
believe
they
had
done
a
job,
a
project
in
her
neighborhood
or
subdivision.
That
may
have
been
I'm
not
aware
of
that
one
though,
but
okay,
I
heard
it
yeah,
it
strikes
a
accord
with.
I
thought
that
he'd
spoke
on
this
already
and
you
know
I
just
read
some
of
the
information
or
heard
some
of
the
information
he
gave
them.
That
I
felt
like
was
in
line
with
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
and
I
think
it
by
all
accounts.
C
It
seemed
like
a
right,
a
strong
recommendation.
A
Yeah,
it's
not
an
atypical
type
of
treatment.
Any
other
questions
or
comments
just
got
any
no
discussion
at
all.
Okay,
do
we
have
a
motion
motion
to
approve
motion
to
approval?
Mr
miller?
Do
we
have
a
second
second,
but
mr
kluat
any
further
discussion
about
a
commission?
No
further
discussion
cast
your
votes,
those
in
favor
aye.
J
A
This
passes
unanimously.
We
will
now
go
into
item
13
old
business
and,
if
you
recall,
we
deferred
this
in
our
last
meeting,
we
deferred
it
to
this
meeting.
This
particular
ordinance
relative
to
our
recommendation
was:
it
was
a
two-part.
A
It
was
a
two-part
item,
one
of
those
parts
related
to
the
process
and
one
of
those
items
related
to
a
percentage
of
wetlands
change
from
15
to
40..
The
correct
me
if
I'm
misstating
this,
but
the
the
the
change
in
the
wetland
percentage
is
15
to
40,
was
has
already
been
approved
by
the
council.
That's
a
moot
point
at
this
at
this
point
for
us.
So
that's
no
reason
for
us
to
take
that
up.
D
Yes,
chairman,
that
is
correct,
that
the
final
decision
has
been
made.
It
was
actually
brought
here
an
era,
so
we're
just
going
to
be
looking
at
the
jurisdictional
statement
tonight.
Okay,.
G
So,
mr,
mr
chairman
of
the
commission,
as
you
stated,
this
was
an
item
on
last
month's
agenda
and
you
had
asked
us
to
come
back
with
more
information,
and
you
asked
us
to
consult
a
professional
who
deals
with
wetland
delineation,
I'd
like
to
introduce
rebecca
gaspard
with
ck
and
associates.
G
A
And
and
as
as
we
as
we
kick
this
off,
I
I'm
familiar
with
ck
associates,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
other
commissioners
are
familiar
with
ck
associates.
Do
you
would
you
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
the
company
before
we
get
the
presentation?
Are
you
satisfied.
E
Brief
introduction
into
wetland,
delineations
and
jurisdictional
determinations
to
perform
a
wetland
delineation.
We
use
two
usace
provided
documents:
the
1987
army
corps
delineation
manual
and
the
2010
regional
supplement.
Ascension
parish
is
located
in
the
atlantic
gulf
coastal
plain
region
and
is
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
new
orleans
usace.
E
E
It
is
strongly
recommended
that
a
field
professional
attend
the
38
hour
army
corps
wetland,
delineation
training
program,
in
addition
to
the
regional
supplement
training.
In
addition
to
that,
you
have
several
other
certifications,
such
as
your
professional
wetland
scientists
and
additional
soils
hydrology
and
plant
identification
classes.
E
Every
delineation
can
be
broken
down
into
three
basic
parts:
background
research
field,
reconnaissance
and
reporting,
starting
with
our
background
research,
we
use
a
myriad
of
different
publicly
available
resources
that
the
core
also
uses
for
their
jurisdictional
determination
process,
such
as
soil
data
and
elevation
data
in
the
field.
We
are
looking
for
three
different
wetland
indicators,
hydrology
vegetation
and
soil.
Each
of
these
wetland
indicators
has
supplemental
usa,
provided
guidance
documents
on
how
to
determine
hydrology,
vegetative
conditions
and
soils.
E
E
E
This
takes
a
little
bit
longer
a
significant
nexus
evaluation
is
conducted,
and
this
is
when
the
corps
issues
an
official
determination
of
jurisdiction
for
aquatic
features
on
your
property.
These
are
both
valid
for
five
years
and
you
can
have
either
or
you
don't
need
both
a
quick
pjd
example.
Here
you
can
see
it
is
clearly
limited,
labeled,
a
preliminary
jurisdictional
determination.
We
have
two
features
here:
a
wetland
and
a
water.
These
are
both
considered
jurisdictional.
E
Other
things
to
consider
with
your
usace,
permitting
there's
a
lot
of
general
and
specific
conditions
listed
in
there.
Some
of
those
include
the
need
to
get
local
state
and
parish
approvals
and
to
not
have
your
approval
would
be
in
direct
violation
of
their
usace
issued
permit,
and
that
is
it
short
and
sweet.
E
So
to
get
your
jurisdictional
determination,
it
could
be
anywhere
typically
between
four
to
eight
months
for
that
plus
another
two
months,
so
total
ten
months
possible
additional
development
time.
Okay,.
E
C
The
2010
guidelines
that
y'all
use
are
the
is
the
newest
and
latest
version.
G
Yes,
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
understand
that
we're
not
asking
to
eliminate
a
jurisdictional
determination,
it's
just
the
timing
as
to
when
it's
submitted
during
the
preliminary
during
the
planning
process
and
the
subdivision
approval
process
right
now.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
see
if
we
can
get
a
determination
by
an
expert
like
rebecca
and
ck
and
associates
and
others
that
are
out
there
and
have
that
submitted
with
preliminary
plant.
G
When
the
final
plant
comes
into
into
approval
for
approval,
we
will
require
the
jurisdictional
determination
from
the
core
at
that
time,
and
so
they're
not
going
to
get
away
with
with
without
submitting
one.
It's
just
a
matter
when
they're
going
to
submit
it
all
right.
C
E
C
G
C
How
many
firms
are
there
similar
to
yours
here
in
louisiana.
A
E
Delineation,
that
is
just
blatantly
incorrect,
so
moving
forward
with
that,
if
they're
expecting
your
approval,
they
also
won't
be
in
compliance
with
their
issued
permit
to
not
match
up.
A
Let
me
say
this:
while
you
know
your
comment,
is
that
the
core
will
pull
the
map
and
and
utilize
that
the
core
is
also
going
to
do
their
due
diligence
and
not
just
going
to
accept
what
someone
plops
in
front
of
them
correct
if
you've
ever
gone
through
the
courting
at
a
wetlands
permits.
You'll
know
how
difficult
that
process
can
be
sometimes
so.
A
Of
firms
that
will
do
it
and-
and
you
know-
and
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
actually
in
that
industry.
So
I
have
a
good
understanding.
J
C
A
G
I
think
we
do.
I
know
for
a
fact
that
we
just
approved
elos,
which
is
another
firm
local
firm
that
does
his
work.
We
just
entered
into
a
contract
with
him
recently.
I
think
mr
chiro
has
some
information
too
about
this.
In
terms
of
when
the
core,
you
know
varies
from
what
the
consultant
has
outlined
so
well,
yeah,
that's.
H
Yes,
we.
H
We
do
so
so
our
firm
from
other
types
of
workers
we're
on
a
different
angle,
sometimes
we're
ordering
or
requesting
welding
reports
many
qualified
firms
like
this,
you
know,
site
doing
site
due
diligence
and
other
types
of
things.
So
I
asked
them
because,
because
there's
some
consultants,
it's
one
of
those
things,
the
more
the
better
the
reputation
that
a
quality
certain
firm
has,
which
is
you
know
like
ck.
H
Those
are
the
ones
that
the
court
almost
agree
with,
because
it's
not
to
their
advantage
to
be
cutting
corners
because
that
hurts
their
reputation
for
all
of
their
future
work
going
forward.
It's
very
rare
consultants,
gonna
stick
their
neck
out
a
wellness
consultant
for
one
project
to
you
know
to
destroy
their
reputation.
Knowing
they're
constantly
requesting
work
for
public
entities,
private
entities-
it's
it's
ongoing,
so
I
actually
find
them
from
working
for
developers.
H
H
You
want
us
to
prove
the
first
time
we
want
to
battle
for
a
year
and
a
half
over
a
quarter
of
an
acre
in
the
that's
where
these
quality
firms
you
know,
come
in,
like
that
so
and
so
I
also
asked
internally,
because
we,
you
know
we're
requesting
it's.
How
often
do
the
preliminary
the
reports
on
qualified
firms
does
the
core
say
that
I
don't
agree
with
your
interpretations
exactly
what
they
mentioned
here,
very
rare,
it's
a
very
minimal.
We
have
the
qualified
firms
which
pretty
much
are
the
only
ones.
H
That's
really
doing
this
work.
That's
requested
that
the
co-worker
says.
Actually
I
disagree.
It
comes
down
to
the
degree
of
accuracy
of
the
width
of
the
I
call
it
the
magical,
colored
pencil
you
sell,
the
drones.
Do
all
this
hard
work
and
they
all
you
come
back
with
the
map
with
the
colored
pencils
drawn
on
it.
You
know,
so
I
just
want
to
confirm
more
than
just
what
one
firms
everything
she
stated.
H
It's
consistent
with
all
of
the
other
qualified
firms
that
we've
seen
do
this
work
and
then
for
my
many
years
as
the
era
watching
in
all
these
preliminary
jurisdictions,
they've
all
been
qualified
firms
that
all
make
a
statement
on
their
thing
that
these
are
done
with
the
requirements
of
exactly
what
you
say.
What
is
1987
as
amended
by
2010
requirements.
H
I
H
No,
it's
not
worth
the
risk
because
the
developer
gets
sting
once
it
goes.
They
have
a
mark
on
them
from
all
future
projects,
especially
if
it's
nationwide
all
other
projects,
it's
on
their
list
and
the
core
remembers
them.
It's
just
not
worth
worth
the
risk.
So
I
just
want
to
provide
some
extra
comfort,
if
not
comfort,
but
just
expanding
on
exactly
what
you're
saying
more
from
one
firm's
perspective,
I
and
luke
see
multiple
firms.
It's
very
consistent.
What
you
said
there.
Thank
you.
C
Questions
yeah
do
we
have
you
were
talking
about
there's
one
other
firm
that
you
entered
a
contract.
Do
we
have
a
pervert
preferred
vendor
list
of
those
firms
that
you
know
ascension
parish?
If
we,
I
would
feel
comfortable
more
so
with
this
and
saying,
we
know
that
these
three
to
five
firms
are
listed
and
approved.
Do
we
know
they
have
the
qualified
scientists
that
this
gas
person.
H
Most
government
states
you
have
to
meet
the
mental
requirements.
Most
of
them
are
minimal.
Five
five-year
experience
minimal
10
years
experience.
If
anyone
meets
that
they're
doing
things,
you
know
you
know
the
right
way,
but
some
of
these
projects
developers
buying
it's
a
jd-
was
already
done
as
before.
They
even
purchased
the
project.
You
know
so
you're,
not
always
in
control
of
who
the
consultants
are,
but
it
came
back
from
the
core
core
trust.
They
had
enough
information
to
say.
Yes,
that
is
approve,
you
know,
official
determination.
So
it's
not
always
on
the
front
end.
H
It
feels
like
there's
it's
a
mixed
bag,
especially
for
properties
always
going
through
the
sale
process
someone's
already
bought
it,
but
already
got
that
that
determination
before,
because
smart
developers,
you
give
me
10
acres,
I
see
wetlands,
I
need
a
home
need
to
know
how
much
I
can
actually
develop.
They'll
do
their
due
diligence
or
say:
if
you
already
have
the
jd,
we
can
speed
up
this
process
and
I've
even
offered
price
now.
H
H
A
So,
let's
bring
this
back
to
center.
What
we're
discussing
is
our
process.
What
we're
discussing
is
when
this
activity
takes
place,
not
whether
or
not
the
the
core
or
the
consultants
or
who
they
are
right.
J
A
A
procedural
item
for
our
code,
so
do
we
have
any
discussions
or
questions
on
that
relative
to
changing
our
process?
You
know
recommending
approval
or
denial
for
this
change
in
process.
C
A
Out
a
hat
that
that's
a
separate
issue:
yes,
okay!
So
do
we
have
any
a
motion
to
recommend
approval
or
denial
by
the
council.
A
I
oppose
okay
cashier
votes,
please
those
in
favor
aye
opposed.
J
A
We'll
entertain
a
motion.