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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission – April 5, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Planning & Zoning Commission.
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A
Go
against
this
project
I
like
this
project
but
I
at
some
point,
I
got
to
draw
a
line
in
the
sand
of
how
much
is
being
added
to
Sweden
Creek
if
the
dot
is
not
going
to
do
anything
in
the
next
decade
to
improve
that
road.
So
that's
where
my
concerns
lie
and
I.
Don't
really
know
how
to
move
forward
on
that
issue
since
I'm,
not
in
the
traffic
department,
yeah
well,
I
mean
I,
think
comments
and
certain
like
share
with
my
next
comments
and
obviously
Mr
palmquist's
response.
A
A
That
is
an
unfortunate
part
of
what
is
the
existing
process
right
now,
hopefully,
one
day
that
changes
and
kind
of
my
other
comment
on
the
bus
stop
was
you
know
if,
if
I
could
see
that
the
bus
stop
or
the
bus
route
is
being
added
to
Sweeten
Creek,
to
alleviate
that
problem,
I
would
have
more
faith
in
the
the
city
transportation
department
ncdot
correcting
that
as
a
Band-Aid
until
they
can
be
widened.
So
that's
why
I'm
concerned
that
we're
not
even
putting
a
Band-Aid
on
the
bleeding
Sweden
Greek
sure
well
and
I
mean
I.
A
Think
if
any
expansion
and
I
see
if
any
expansion
work,
it
would
just
stop
at
Mills
Gap.
It
would
come
up
and
it
was
going
to
turn
and
go
back
because
I'm
going
to
go
further
along
Sweden
Creek
County,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
right
after
this
property,
or
certainly
the
next
one
correct.
It's
like
just
down
the
street
yeah.
It's
not
it's
not
far.
A
So
it's
not
like
any
bus
would
go
south
further
on
correct,
unfortunately,
but
I
mean
even
coming
to
the
corner
of
this
would
certainly
help
so
I'm,
not
in
love
with
the
retaining
wall
either.
But
that's
not
holding
me
up
necessarily
I
mean
I
know
no
one
likes
the
retaining
wall.
That's
just
is
what
it
is.
Sometimes
thank
you
any
yeah
I
mean
my
issue
is
like
Transportation.
It
comes
up
every
time,
you're,
building
77
units
and
affordable
housing.
A
A
There
is,
let's
be
honest:
I
bought
a
house
down
there.
Seven
years
ago,
seven
years
ago
they
told
me
they
were
going
to
widen
Sweden
Creek
Road,
there's
still
no
plan.
So
who
knows
when
it's
going
to
get
widened?
So
it's
like
77
units
here,
the
last
one
was
77
units.
It's
easy
to
get
away
with
no
Transportation
study,
but
there
has
to
be
a
transportation
study
done
at
some
point
because
it's
getting
tripped
every
single
time.
A
Like
my
fellow
commissioner
said,
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
be
the
one.
That's
like
this
is
the
one
that
the
transportation
has
to
be
done,
but
at
some
point
somebody
has
to
work
with
somebody
to
get
it
done
so
that
we
can
push
these
projects
through,
because
we
are
supporters
of
affordable
housing,
but
you
get
another
77
another
77,
whoever
and
in
the
end
you've
got
250
people
and
we
want
them
to
be
able
to
like
pull
out
of
their
driveway
and
not
have
to
wait
for
50.
A
Weighed
in
or
I
think,
A
lot's
been
said,
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
to
add.
This
is
a
bad
design.
Frankly,
it's
it's
an
unfortunate
design
and
I
think
it's
a
product
of
a
flawed
process.
Typically
tax
credit
projects
are
required
to
have
their
zoning
approval
before
they
apply
for
tax
credits
and,
in
this
case
we're
being
asked
to
approve
zoning
of
an
awarded
tax
credit
project
that
has
now
discovered
some
site
constraints.
A
A
I
I
think
you
put
it
very
well,
commissioner
Barton
it
is
like
I
said
I
know:
I
had
some
I
had
some
big
reservations
before,
because
this
you
know
as
Mr
Paul
and
Quest
mentioned.
You
know:
we've
got
some
steep
slope
issues
here.
There
is
a
a
large
portion
of
this
property
that
has
been
left
alone
for
development
because
of
that,
and
yet
we
still
needed
to
bend
on
those
steep
slope
regulations
even
to
get
this
and
and
again
I.
A
This
is
one
of
those
that
definitely
I
think
there's
a
few
tipping
points
here
that
just
start
to
to
swing
me
away
from
the
affordable
housing
thing
which
this
may
go
down
in
history
as
the
first
affordable
housing
project
that
I
might
be
voting
against
and
I
hate
to
say
that
yes,
please,
certainly
sorry
I
wanted
to
respond,
because
I
I
certainly
understand
the
comments
about
the
traffic
on
Suite.
It's
it's
pretty
bad
yeah
I
mean.
A
Is
it
even
though,
if
it's
not
required,
is
it
possible
to
add
that
as
a
condition
for
us
to
do
the
traffic
study
I
mean
it
would
recommend
mitigation?
I
mean
that's
typically,
what
traffic
studies
will
do
sure
if
it
finds,
and
sometimes
it
finds
no
impact?
Sometimes
it
does.
A
But
to
me
that
seems
like
a
reasonable
request
that
we
could
do
I
I
understand
the
concerns.
I
mean
I,
like
the
other
gentleman's
con,
a
suggestion
of
something
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
a
mural
or
something
on
the
the
retaining
wall
I
mean.
Unfortunately,
it
our
design
options
are
really
limited
on
the
site.
There's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
competing
factors
in
just
the
way
to
to
your
point
about
how
the
the
state
drives
you
to
certain
spots
over
other
spots,
it
just
it.
A
You
end
up
in
a
lot
of
less
than
ideal
development
spots
in
order
to
be
competitive
to
secure
the
tax
credit
award,
which
we
discussed
last
time,
but
I
think
we'd
be
open
to
that.
I
mean
I,
think
that
that
makes
that
makes
sense,
even
though
we're
not
required
to
do
that,
and
but
that
would
be
the
outcome.
I.
A
Think
of
the
traffic
study
just
based
on
the
traffic
studies,
I've
done
before
they'll
they'll,
analyze
traffic
counts
and
make
the
estimations
and
then
we'll
see
if
it
would
have
any
significant
impact
on
the
road,
then
would
recommend
mitigation,
for
you
know
what
we
could
do,
but
you
know,
of
course
what
we
could
do.
We
can't
obviously
rebuild
all
Sweden
Creek
Road,
but
there
should
be
sure
you
know
things
other
than
the
signalized
Flasher
I'm
not
really
sure
what
they
would
come
up
with,
but
that
that
is
another.
A
That's
another
possibility
just
listening
to
everybody,
everybody's
discussion.
That
would
seem
reasonable,
and
that
certainly
is
I
mean
if,
if
one
of
my
fellow
Commissioners
that
made
the
comment
about
the
traffic
study
wanted
to
say,
I
would
like
to
see
that
as
a
condition
and
you
agreed.
We
can
certainly
add
that,
as
a
condition
that
you
know
you
you
do
a
traffic
study
and
whatever
mitigation
is
recommended
from
that
would
would
be
implemented.
A
You're
right,
though
I'm
not
exactly
sure
they
may
require
some
adjustment
to
the
signalization
at
Mills
Gap
other
than
what
you've
already
mentioned.
With
the
flashing
signal.
I'm
a
traffic
engineer,
I,
don't
know
what
other
things
they
might
recommend,
but
there
could
be
a
few
other
things.
Yeah
I've
seen
acceleration
deceleration
lanes
and
that's
possible.
Yes,
you
know,
I
mean
there,
it
does
get
yeah
I
mean
I.
Those
are
kind
of
the
most
normal
things
that
I've
seen.
A
I,
don't
want
to
do
anything
to
impede
the
traffic
flow,
obviously
on
Sweden
Creek,
but
I
mean
that's
up
to
the
traffic
analysts,
but
they
they
have
a
variety
of
different
things
that
they
can.
They
can
propose
the
cost
of
one
of
those
like
150
Grand.
No,
it's
not
that
much.
We
have
FDA
Traffic
Engineers,
so.
A
Yeah,
just
based
on
previous
ones,
I
have
had
to
do
them
for
larger
projects,
and
it's
just
you
know
the
condition
is
we
do
whatever
the
traffic
analyst
recommends
and
that's
part
of
what
we
have
to
add
in
but
I
mean
you
know,
just
you
know
the
going
back
to
an
additional
million
and
a
half
on
construction
cut.
A
You
know,
I
think
the
cost
of
mitigation
on
sweetened
Creek
would
be
a
lot
less
than
having
to
go
back
to
our
older
site
plan,
which
we
can't
afford
sure,
but
that
would
be
at
least
you
know
us
being
responsive
to
the
community's
concerns
on
traffic,
which
I
several
times
get
to
the
side.
It's
sure
and
almost
gotten
hit
I
I
understand
the
concerns.
A
A
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
yeah
without
the
sidewalk
to
connect
to
that
crosswalk
I,
don't
know
what
benefit
that
would
be
the
the
cost
of
the
sidewalk
running
from
our
site
down
to
where
the
yeah.
We
would
really
have
to
look
at
that
I
think
I
think
we
might
be
a
little
more
hesitant
on
that,
but
I
think
you
probably
have
to
get
some
encroachment
agreements
and
that's
the
other
thing
too.
We'd
have
to
go
through
dot.
Who
may
or
may
not
agree
to
that,
but.
A
We
can
look
at
it.
I
just
I
think
that
one
might
be
a
little
that
was
more
like
a
little
harder
and
more
costly
sure
just
to
start
writing
things
down
and
clarify.
So
it
sounds
like
that.
The
developer
is
in
agreement
to
a
condition
to
do
a
traffic
study.
Yes,
okay,
so
that
is
I.
Don't
have
that
list
of
conditions
of
what
condition
would
that
be
most
purpose?
Do
you
have
those
opportunities?
No
sorry.
A
Makes
sense,
do
we
just
add
it
to
the
I'm
trying
to
see
if
there's
anything
else,
that's
related
to
any
traffic?
That
would
make
sense
of
where
to
put
it
anywhere
else,
but
it
probably
just
needs
to
go
to
the
end.
It
could
be
number
eight,
but
that's
just
about
the
right.
Radicular,
accessibility,
yeah.
A
It's
it's
the
traffic
study,
the
recommendations,
implement
the
recommendations,
yeah
yep
I,
agree,
yeah.
It
will
come
with
either
recommendations
of
nothing
needed
or
some
specific
improvements.
We
need
to
make
sure
okay
and
then,
commissioner
bubenic,
you
would
like
to
let's
see
if
it's.
If
it's
study.
A
A
traffic
study
you
could
see
how
many
pedestrians
walk
in
that
area.
Is
it
going
to
be
wondering
how
we
write
this
as
a
condition
or
if
it's
more
of
a
verbal
agreement,
could
could
we
work
with
City
staff
to
explore?
That's
this
is
kind
of
what
I'm
thinking
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
how
we've
done
this
in
the
past
it.
Usually
we
don't
do
this
as
a
condition
of
looking
at
things
that
are
off
property.
Is
it
more
depending
upon
and
again
this
is
more
of
kind
of,
like
your
green.
A
A
That's
a
good
faith
effort
exactly:
yes,
we
yeah,
we
can
have
all
those
discussions
and
figure
out
the
feasibility
of
it.
Okay,
we
will
have
to
look
at
our
overall
project
Budget
on
on
that
part
sure,
because
I
do
have
to
be
careful
of
them,
sure
being
able
to
close
it
and
okay
build
it,
but
but
yeah
I
think
I
think
we
can
definitely
work
with
City
staff
and
Dot
and
see
what
the
possibility
would
be
of
that.
A
Okay,
commissioner,
Faircloth
bubenic
you're
good
with
that
added
condition
and
those
kind
of
good
faith
agreements.
Okay,
okay,
is
there
anything
else?
I
just
wanted
to
address
that,
because
that
that
made
sense
to
me.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Here,
if
there
were
additional
two
two
18-foot
retaining
walls,
maybe,
but
that
starts
to
impact
the
property
I
mean
again
to
me.
This
is
one
where
the
mitigation
in
my
mind
for
a
38
foot
retaining
wall
is
to
redesign
the
site
like
each
retaining
well-being,
20
or
25
feet
like
I
mean
that
if
it
was
further
away
like,
but
the
part
that's
closer
to
the
entrance,
that's
far
enough
back
like
I'm,
okay
with
how
32
foot
range.
It
really
is
that
one
part
in
the
Northeast
northwest
corner.
A
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
try
this
I
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
zoning
Amendment
request
for
the
property
located
at
3124-3130
Sweeten
Creek
Road,
Zone,
presidential
expansion,
conditional
Zone
res
exp
CZ
for
the
modification
of
the
site
plan
and
find
out.
The
request
is
reasonable
in
the
public
interest
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
meets
development
needs
of
the
community
in
that
request.
One
prioritizes
the
greater
densities
of
development
overall
two
increases
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
proximity
to
Transit
schools
and
Parks.
A
A
A
A
No?
What
we
got
three
we're
gonna,
take
a
five
minute
break
at
6,
21
pm.
A
A
A
A
A
Right
here
and
no,
it's
not
great
on
a
phone
I've,
never
tried
that
effect,
yeah.
A
A
A
A
All
right,
sorry,
I'm
doing
this,
commissioner,
we
we'll
restart
the
meeting
at
6
27
p.m.
We
need
to
have
a
recusal
for
our
next
item.
I.
Believe
that's
right,
chair
Archibald!
This
next
project
is
a
mountain
housing
opportunities
project,
so
presents
a
clear
conflict
of
interest
and
I'll
be
requesting
recusal.
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
commute
recusing,
commissioner
Barton
say
hi
hi
you
are
accused.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
So
we
have
a
request
to
conditionally
rezone
the
property
located
at
16
restaurant
Court
from
Office
business
OB
to
residential
expansion,
conditional
Zone
res
exp.
Cz
property
is
identified
as
pin
965808-2350
in
the
Buncombe
County
tax
record
property
owner
is
Mountain
housing,
Opportunities
Incorporated
and
the
contact
is
Shane.
Sainz
planner
coordinating
review
is
Clay.
Mitchell
welcome,
Mr
Mitchell.
This
is
your
first
time.
Isn't
it
it
is
Mr
chairman.
Thank
you
very
much
too
bad
I.
Don't
have
a
water
pistol
I
expected
no
less
good
evening
Commissioners.
A
My
name
is
Clay
Mitchell
I'm,
the
new
planner
with
the
city
of
Asheville.
This
is
my
first
presentation.
This
is
a
conditional
zoning
petition.
This
is
property.
It's
a
1.31
acre
parcel
fronting
on
what
is
known
as
restaurant
Court,
which
is
a
privately
maintained,
but
public
accessible
street
that
comes
off
of
Tunnel
Road.
There's
a
an
ABC
store
right
at
that
intersection,
and
then
it's
immediately
adjacent
to
what
I
presume
is
the
world
famous
Mountaineer
in
the
current
zoning
is
Office
business
The
Proposal
is
residential
expansion.
A
She,
the
property
here
above
the
site
to
the
north,
is
what
I
learned
today
was
the
Cheeseburger
in
Paradise
or
something
which
is
now
the
Big
Sky
Real,
Estate,
Association,
I,
believe
and
then
just
off
the
map
to
the
top
is
LongHorn
Steakhouse
and
significant
amount
of
parking.
The
subject
parcel
is
the
red
parcel.
It
is
very
flat:
it's
been
graded,
it
has
a
smaller
existing
retaining
walls.
I'll
show
you
on
the
site
plan
and
a
significant
amount
of
growth
within
the
buffer
area.
A
Existing
along
the
borders
of
the
property
to
the
South
is
I
I
believe.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
it's
a
boat
catcher
common
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
the
name.
It's
a
condo
development
with
several
two-story,
dense
developments,
single-family
housing
and
some
other
neighborhoods
to
the
west
and
then
to
the
east
is
obviously
the
kind
of
urban
Corridor
development
that
you
see
along
Tunnel,
Road.
A
Future
land
use
designates
this
area
as
Urban
Corridor,
but
I
would
point
out
to
the
west
and
the
south
of
the
site.
It
is
also
the
property
designated
as
traditional
neighborhood
I
believe.
That
is
important,
because
this
proposed
development
kind
of
represents
that
transition
from
Urban
Corridor
over
to
traditional
neighborhood
and
I'll
go
into
that.
No
designation
or
change
in
the
designation
is
required
in
our
opinion,
for
this
property.
A
This
is
this.
Is
this?
Is
land
the
building
in
the
upper
North
along
restaurant
court
is
one
building
with
a
single
roof
it.
It
has
two
footprint:
it's
it's
a
single
building
and
that's
why
we
16
and
18
restaurant
Court
16
will
be
the
Primary
Residential
Building
that
you
see
along
the
south
18
will
be
the
common
amenities
in
the
leasing
office.
Building
this
project
is
60
residential
units,
which
is
why
we're
here
in
a
conditional
zoning
is
a
four-story
building
for
the
residential
unit.
A
Single
story
for
the
amenities
and
the
common
buildings-
it's
100,
affordable
at
a
variety
of
levels,
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
Overall,
the
site
complies
with
all
of
our
Udo
with
a
few
technical
modifications,
one
of
those
being
the
reduced
parking.
There
are
20
spaces,
standard
spaces,
eight
accessible
spaces,
delineated
on
the
site
plan.
There's
an
existing
sidewalk
along
restaurant
Court.
That's
only
five
feet.
Wide
residential
expansion
calls
for
10
feet.
A
There
is
a
planting
buffer
between
the
sidewalk
and
restaurant
court
and
the
internal
sidewalks
will
be
a
minimum
of
five
feet
where
residential
expansion
calls
for
10..
So
that's
another
technical
modification,
there's
subsurface
storm
water.
There
is
one
new
retaining
wall
proposed
and
that's
what
you
see
in
the
pink.
There
is
a
retaining
wall
in
the
right-of-way
along
restaurant
court.
A
And
then,
if
you
look
on
the
site,
there
are
they're
relatively
low
that
go
all
the
way
around,
but
that
allows
that
site
to
be
that
flat
grass
area
that
you
can
see
in
the
aerial
surface,
those
retaining
walls
will
stay
and
existing
in
proposed
Landscaping
will
fill
in
I'll.
Show
you
in
the
next
slide
here.
A
So
this
is
the
Landscaping
plan
to
give
you
some
indication
of
what's
going
on,
they
comply
with
all
the
vehicle
use
area,
building
impact
buffers
type,
a
buffer
along
the
west
and
the
South,
where
it
abuts
the
residential
Zone
to
the
West,
because
that's
existing
Office
business
that
does
not
require
the
type
a
buffer.
A
The
open
space
and
tree
canopy
are
supplied
with
a
mixture
of
plantings,
as
well
as
preserved
existing
trees
on
the
site,
like
I,
said,
there's
an
extensive
amount
of
growth
along
West
and
the
Southern,
and
even
on
the
Eastern
side.
So
beyond
the
common
amenity
building,
there's
plans
for
covered
outdoor
picnic
areas,
there's
a
playground
in
the
north
area
between
the
building
and
the
amenity
building
one
of
the
issues.
Another
technical
modification
is
that
the
residential
expansion
calls
for
the
building
to
front
on
the
street
in
the
parking
behind.
A
A
A
The
one
of
the
components
of
the
affordability
which
I
was
thought
was
worth
calling
out
is
that
the
applicant
is
is
at
least
going
to
try
and
focus
on
providing
housing
for
people
who
age
out
of
foster
care
and
and
I.
Think
that's
a
really
unique
approach.
I
know
personally
through
friends
of
mine
who
work
in
this
field,
that
this
is
a
real
challenge
for
affordable
housing.
It's
all
of
a
sudden.
A
You
are
now
no
longer
being
cared
for
and
having
that
kind
of
asset
in
the
city,
I
think
is
a
is
a
real
Progressive
approach
and
so
I
I
felt
like
I,
wanted
to
bring
that
up
as
well.
It
has
been
approved
with
conditions
by
the
technical
Review
Committee
on
March
6th,
we're
here
tonight.
We're
tentatively
scheduled
I
believe
for
April
25th
with
the
city
council,
and
because
of
all
that,
we
are
able
to
make
a
recommendation
that
you
prove
this.
A
These
are
the
technical
modifications
in
laid
out
in
the
list
for
you,
the
sidewalks,
the
parking,
the
location
of
the
parking
between
the
building
and
the
road,
and
then
they
also
asked
for
a
reduction
of
the
front
setback
to
five
feet
from
15
feet,
which
we
think
is
reasonable
and
there
are
no
bike
Lanes
into
the
development
there
are
and,
and
the
applicant
has
increased
bike
parking,
because
my
understanding
is
that
all
Asheville
buses
are
equipped
with
bike
racks.
A
So,
even
though
there's
no
biking
on
Tunnel
Road,
if
residents
have
bikes,
they
will
be
able
to
put
them
onto
the
bus
and
get
to
various
areas
throughout
the
city.
So
sorry
I
jumped
the
gun.
So
accordingly,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
amendment,
subject
to
the
conditions
that
you
have
been
provided.
A
A
My
question
is
about
I
was
actually
asked
about
the
bikes.
Is
there
like
bike
storage
somewhere
like
with
the
parking
I
know?
This
has
come
up
in
some
past
projects.
We
can
make
lockers
yeah
I
I
know
that
the
design
team
is
here
and
we
have
that
specific
conversation
I'll.
Let
them
answer
it,
but
yes,
we've.
We
talked
about
that
during
technical
review,
bringing
being
able
to
bring
the
bikes
inside
or
be
having
them
stored
somewhere.
A
I'm
clarifying
you
know
the
five
foot
setback
reduction
to
the
front
of
the
street.
It's
primarily
to
accommodate
the
common
building.
Okay,
so
I
mean
I,
see
the
line
on
here.
Just
looks
like
common
building
is
15
feet
back
already
doing.
This
is
the
retaining
wall.
Oh.
A
Regarding
the
comment
commissioner,
bubenic
made
about
bikes
and
I
know
this
comes
up
and
has
come
up.
I
feel
like
all
of
these
developments
and
and
I'm.
This
isn't
necessarily
a
fault
I
think
it's
perhaps
somewhere
where
maybe
the
Udo
needs
a
little
tweak,
or
you
know
we
haven't
quite
caught
on
to
how
we
should
word
it
with
some
of
these
projects.
But
you
know
a
lot
of
them
are
because
we
don't
have
bike
bike
infrastructure.
There's
always
the
condition.
No
bike.
Lanes
will
be
provided
into
the
site.
A
I
know
it
has
come
up
before
where
we
have
requested
at
least
having
the
road
designated
with
sharos
I
would
at
least
like
to
throw
that
out
there
as
a
proposal
to
the
development
team
that
that
could
be
that
condition,
I'm
looking
at
condition
number
seven
that
they
wouldn't
be
provided.
It's
just
that
there
would
be
sharos
provided,
which
again
is
just
painting
I,
mean
I,
know.
That's.
A
A
Maybe
there
will
be
bike
Lanes
on
Tunnel
Road
and
such
at
least
that
you
know
visual
designation,
I'll
start
to
show
up
more
so
anyway,
that's
that's
more
throwing
it
out
there
for
them
before
they
come
up,
so
that
we
can
have
a
discussion
about
that.
So
anyway,
another
question
I
have
the
existing
retaining
wall,
that's
on
the
north
side
of
the
property,
or
is
it
North
Side
going
down?
It
was
so
they
the
existing
retaining
wall.
That's
just
off-site
is
on
the
north
east
side
from
lack
of
a
better
okay.
A
You
can
see
it's
kind
of
it.
It
jogs
there
and
then
they're
they're,
proposing
a
sec
kind
of
a
step
up.
I
think
it's
about
five
feet
tall,
retaining
wall
right
there
and
then
the
the
Landscaping
plan
shows
the
existing
retaining
walls
that
are
in
vegetation
they're,
almost
hard
to
see
if
you
go
visit
the
site
and
then
at
the
at
the
back
of
the
building,
there's
there's
an
area
where
there
is
no
retaining
wall
existing,
nor
is
there
one
proposed.
So
my
idiot
question
is
too:
this
is
more
to
the
applicant
again.
A
Was
the
existing
retaining
wall
evaluated
that
it
can
hold
the
weight
of
another
retaining
wall
on
the
parking
lot
I
mean
I
mean.
Has
that
any
more
than
looked
at?
Is
it
still
stable
and
safe
to
use
probably
a
great
time
to
transition
yeah?
That's
definitely
a
great
great
transition
for
that.
I
have
not
done
that
determination.
Okay,
all
right!
Yeah!
Let's
go
ahead
and
have
the
applicant
come
up
and
speak
then.
A
Good
evening,
thank
you,
chair
and,
commissioner
for
your
time
this
evening,
I'm
Sean
Sainz
with
civil
Design
Concepts
subbing
in
from
Warren
a
little
bit
just
wondering
why
Mr
Suggs
wasn't
yeah
it's
my
turn
again.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration
this
evening.
We've
worked
with
mountain
housing
opportunities
on
numerous
projects
and
excited
to
be
part
of
this
project
as
well
and
honestly,
a
CDC
we've
looked
at
the
site
numerous
times
for
various
developers
and
happy
to
see.
A
Mountain
housing
project
actually
come
to
fruition
for
this
site,
as
he
feels
a
great
use
and
just
design
again,
it's
60,
affordable
units,
I,
don't
want
to
repeat
anything
clay
said
so
I'm,
just
gonna
kind
of
jump
to
your
comments
before
I
forget
them
to
the
retaining
walls
point
we
do
have
a
Geotech
report
and
we
are
yeah.
So
that's
we
are
aware
of
its
conditions
and
that
it
can
handle
the
weight
and
that's
even
the
walls
on
the
east
and
west
side.
A
We've
even
been
spaced
away
from
them
in
accordance
with
that
report
as
well.
So
we've
kind
of
designed
all
around
those
constraints.
In
that
sense,
the
Cheryl
comment:
restaurant
court
is
privately
maintained
and
owned.
A
I
don't
want
to
I,
can't
speak
for
it
or
commit
us
to
saying
we
can
put
Cheryl's
in
restaurant
court
if,
in
the
city
of
Asheville
Road
I
feel
like
there's
a
bigger
conversation,
we
could
have
there,
but
we
are
definitely
committed
to
more
than
happy
to
put
them
on
our
property
and
yeah.
I
get
I
mean
I,
get
where
you're
coming
from
I
moved
here
from
Portland
Oregon
I
know
biking,
so
yeah
I
didn't
want
to
deter
from
that.
But
is
there
any
do
they
miss
any
of
them?
A
Yeah.
Sorry,
as
I
was
asking,
it
came
to
my
mind.
We
are
providing
as
of
right
now
our
design
is
showing
a
minimum
of
eight
exterior
biking
bike
parking
spaces.
A
There's
no
Central
from
my
understanding.
There's
no
Central
locker
inside,
but
each
unit
does
have
storage
space
that
could
allow
for
the
bike
parking
for
each
individual.
A
Thank
you,
yeah
and
I
think
more.
What
I
was
considering
directly
as
the
condition
would
be
the
sharos
on
the
on
the
driveway
and
then
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
similar
to
what
we
had
on
the
on
the
last
agenda
item.
Is
you
know,
kind
of
the
good
faith
effort
to
work
with
city
transportation
staff
to
and
and
maybe
it's
not
until
bike
infrastructure
is
provided
on
Tunnel
Road,
but
at
some
point
I
think
it
would
be
great.
You
know,
given
that
this
is
you
know,
an
affordable
apartment
complex.
A
A
That's
great
I
wish
more
projects
would
do
that,
and
so
thinking
about
that
I
think
you
know
at
least
having
the
idea
that,
yes,
let's
we
know
someone's
going
to
be
bike,
and
we
know
the
buses,
as
Mr
Mitchell
mentioned,
all,
have
bike
racks,
I
think
at
least
just
getting
that
awareness
out
to
people
is
going
to
be
important,
so
yeah,
if
you,
if
you
would
agree
to
the
condition
that
the
shares
be
on
the
driveway
and
then
again
good
faith
effort
to
work
with
the
city
transportation
staff
about
actually
sharing
restaurant
Court
during
construction
after
I'll
just
kind
of
again
leave
that
with
a
good
faith
effort
with
mountain
housing.
A
Okay,
all
right
great,
yes,
I
got
mixed
feelings
about
my
next
comment:
is
there
any
kind
of
Street
lighting
required
out
there
I'm,
not
a
big
proponent
of
just
throwing
light
poles
up
everywhere,
but
but
where
this
is
located
and
I
worked?
Close
proximity
to
this
I
mean
they're.
This
is
an
area.
I
would
want
there
to
be
some
kind
of
street
light
if
there
was
a
parking
lot.
Is
that
a
requirement
or
is
it
I
didn't
see?
A
It
shown
on
the
plans
or
anything
seems
like
there
would
at
least
be
a
requirement
for
some
parking
lot
lighting,
although
that
is
starting
to
and
again
I'm,
not
a
huge
proponent
of
that.
Just
given
this
location,
I
think
that
might
be
something
certainly
I,
don't
believe
there
are
any
street
lights
any
you
wear
on
restaurant
core.
As
for
Lighting
in
the
parking
lot,
I'm
sure
you
can
I
know,
there's
a
standard
like
a
minimum
standard
lighting
that
we
have
to
meet
for
safety
purposes,
but
that's
going
to
be
strictly
in
the
parking
lot.
A
Okay,
that's
not
necessarily
A
Long
restaurant
Court,
sure
I
mean
that's
not
in
there.
Common
is
purview
somewhat
well
taken,
yeah,
yeah,
typically
on
roads
that
small
I,
wouldn't
you
know
you
typically
would
not
have
Mystery
Lady
requirements,
at
least
in
the
Udo
or
anything
so
not
to
say
that
you
know
if
the
applicant
was
amenable
that
there
couldn't
be
something
outside.
A
In
excuse
me
on
restaurant
Court,
bordering
on
their
property,
in
other
words,
in
front
of
their
property.
You
can't
really
see
again.
This
gets
back
to.
We
can't
really
tell
them
to
put
it
on
the
rest
of
them
right
sure.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
will
go
ahead
and
open
for
public
comment
at
6,
48.
A
And
I'd
like
to
move
back
to
the
site
plan
when
I
my
name
is:
Doug
Mendel,
I'm,
a
resident
on
419,
beaucatcher
road,
so
I'm
200
feet
away
from
that
property
and
I
want
to
speak
to
about
the
conditions
for
the
rest
of
the
homeowners
and
even
the
businesses
in
the
area,
because
I
do
feel
you
know.
I
forgot
the
name
of
the
property.
That's
directly
south.
There
you've
got
the
12
units
there.
As
far
as
we
tell
it's
something
called
catcher
common,
that's
a
nice
name,
but
it's
not
exactly
the
impact
yeah.
A
Have
concerns
about
this
development
already
that
section
8
facility
there
is
causing
the
street
where
the
rest
of
the
traditional
neighborhood
is
to
suffer,
and
it's
not
because
of
the
residents
it's
because
of
the
management
of
that
particular
property.
Just
about
a
month
and
a
half
ago,
you'll
see
how
clear
the
the
tree
line
is
between
the
back
of
the
houses
and
the
street.
A
Where
bow
catcher
is
there
that
was
totally
sheared
off
now
the
residents
that
are
in
those
properties
right
there
look
at
the
back
of
these
buildings
that
is
not
code
compliant,
so
we're
suffering
from
that
particular
issue
already
so
we're
concerned
about
suffering
again
because
of
another
program
here
and
I'll
I'll
walk
through
my
concerns,
so
I
hope
they
don't
seem
unreasonable.
The
other
part
of
it
is
500
feet
from
that
property.
Is
the
October
Road
treatment
facility,
no
problem
there?
It's
well
managed,
but
it's
got
an
open
door
policy
and
it's
methadone
clinic.
A
So
there's
a
lot
of
foot
traffic
there
and
I'm
going
to
return
to
this
later
that
you
know
for
a
fact
that
up
and
Downton
Road
in
that
section
it's
one
of
the
most
intense
transient
corridors
that
we've
got
in
the
community
as
well.
There's
a
lot
of
camping
on
beaucatcher
mountain
all
the
properties
there.
The
business
properties
suffer
from
that.
If
you
go
behind
Instagram
well,
I,
don't
recommend
it
but
carry
something
that
will
keep
you
protected,
because
that's
a
bathrooming
area
for
lots
and
lots
of
people
so
I'm
concerns
about
that.
A
The
other
concern
is
the
small
amount
of
green
space.
That's
there
on
that
property
is
kind
of
insufficient
for
a
if
you've
got
60
residential
units.
Two
and
three
bedrooms,
some
of
them
you're
gonna,
have
120
to
150
residents
living
on
one
point:
six
acres
and
with
a
little
sliver
for
a
green
space,
I,
don't
think
that
dignifies
the
living
of
the
residence
there
and
if
you
have
20
percent
of
that
population
being
aged
out
of
foster
care.
What
is
that
18
20
about
that
age?
You
know
not
quite
20
years
old.
A
There's
got
to
be
something
for
those
folks
to
do
as
well,
so
I'm
concerned
about
the
Dignity
of
the
residents
as
well.
You
look
at
that
and
then
I'm,
not
a
big
fan
of
the
variants
needed
for
the
parking
spaces
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
every
one
of
the
every
one
of
those
hundred
twenty
to
150
residents
you've
only
got
20
spaces,
so
it
takes
out.
Let's
say:
20
residents
have
cars.
A
40
residents
then
get
transportation
from
that
80
or
more
people
be
walking
in
and
out
of
that
property
all
day
long
to
get
the
transportation
to
get
their
job
School
whatever
they
have
to
walk
right
past
the
ABC
store
to
get
Transportation
I,
don't
think,
that's
a
good
look!
Then
they
have
to
fight
through
all
the
transit
traffic.
That's
already
there.
I
just
think
that
there
are
problems
with
the
intensity.
That's
already
placed
on
a
neighborhood
that
is
facing
Transit
problems.
A
The
transit
problems
are
associated
with
the
social
services
that
are
already
there
and
the
lack
of
management
within
existing
affordable
housing
project
there.
That
said,
I'm
a
huge
fan
of
affordable
housing,
no
question
about
it,
but
I
do
believe
that
the
management
those
type
of
facilities
is
critical
to
their
success
and
so
I
operated
a
facility
in
Atlanta
directly
in
a
major
neighborhood.
Nobody
knew
about
it
because
we
managed
very
tightly
and
with
a
lot
of
care
and
concern
for
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
A
What
I
have
not
heard
in
the
discussion
here
is
the
discussion
of
how
the
neighbors
are
going
to
be
impacted
by
this
I.
Think
it's
a
great
thing,
everybody's
happy
about
the
opportunity
to
build
on
a
flat
space,
so
got
lots
of
building
conditions,
but
in
this
case
the
neighborhood
also
needs
to
be
considered
so
I'm.
Sorry,
I!
Think
that's
time,
were
you
yeah
yeah?
It's
three
minutes,
I'm!
Sorry,
thank
you.
I!
Think
you
get
my
point.
Yes!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
I'm.
Sorry,
we
will
not
close
for
Holy
comment.
Yes,
please
come
on
up.
Sorry,
I
usually
wait
to
see
people
stand
up.
I'm,
sorry,
no
worries,
no
worries.
Tim
Sadler
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
the
developer
has
looked
at,
possibly
including
bus
passes
with
the
project.
A
I,
don't
know
if
it's
been
brought
up,
but
you
could
buy
the
bus
passes
in
bulk
and
then
offer
it
as
like
an
amenity
I,
just
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
brought
up
because
it
is
you
know
if
it's
affordable
housing
and
it's
right
there
on
the
bus
line,
the
the
folks
could
have
an
opportunity
to
get
them
at
a
reduced
costs
if
they're
part
of
the
project
I,
just
don't
know
if
that
has
been
brought
up
by
I,
helped
a
developer
with
that
at
one
point
and
I
know
it's
sometimes
mentioned,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
for
pnz
or
if
that
is
when
they
go
to
get
a
permit
in
the
or
meet
with
staff.
A
Thank
you
for
the
comment
about
the
bus
passes.
That's
certainly,
you
know
a
question
for
the
developer.
I
know
that
that
has
come
up
on
previous
ones.
I
know
we
definitely
have
have
kind
of
written
that,
as
a
condition,
most
typically
with
commercial
and
hotel
kinds
of
things.
I,
don't
know
that
we've
ever
done
that
with
a
Housing
Development,
but
I'll
certainly
just
bring
that
up
with
the
development
team
as
well
and
I
appreciate
the
concerns
of
the
neighborhood.
Certainly
that
is
one
thing
that
we
all
do
consider.
A
While
it
may
not
be
brought
up
directly
in
the
discussions.
It
is
something
that
we
all
do.
Consider
I
mean
we're
all
you
know
either
citizens
directly
of
the
city
of
Asheville
or,
as
in
the
case
of
the
two
County
Commissioners
within
I.
Don't
remember,
don't
quote
me
on
this,
but
I
believe
it's
within
a
half
mile
of
the
city
limits
anyway.
A
We
all
live
here
and-
and
we
all
you
know,
work
and
live
in
the
city
of
Asheville
and
are
concerned,
obviously
with
the
residents
of
the
city
that
said,
I
do
want
to
push
back
a
little
bit.
I
mean
I,
can't
say
that
this
is
not
a
good
site
for
housing.
A
Every
I
have
said
this
before
I
will
say
it
again
for
the
next
five
months
I'm
here,
every
single
neighborhood
in
Asheville
needs
to
have
affordable
housing,
no
matter
what
that
looks
like
I,
don't
care
if
it's
60
Ami,
if
it's
30
percent
am
I.
If
it's
for
foster
youth,
if
it's
120,
Workforce
housing,
every
single
neighborhood
needs
it
in
any
neighborhood
that
comes
up
and
says
they
don't
want
it.
A
I
will
say
it
right
now:
I
am
not
going
to
listen
to
that.
Every
neighborhood
needs
it
and
needs
to
accept
that
it's
going
to
happen
and
you're
correct
in
saying
that,
yes,
it
is
about
management
and,
and
there
are
I'm
sorry
public
comment
is
closed.
It
is,
it
is
about
management.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
We
cannot
enforce
management.
We
as
PCC
cannot
enforce
trees
being
removed.
Those
are
things
that,
if
a
neighborhood
has
concerns
about
those,
they
need
to
contact
the
appropriate
City
Department
go
to
4-1-1
I.
Believe
it's
4-1-1.
A
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
you
can
file
complaints
there.
Every
single
neighborhood
needs
affordable
housing
and
if
a
neighborhood
wants
to
complain
that,
because
there
might
be
a
problem
with
one
particular
development
in
their
neighborhood,
they
don't
want
any
more
I'm
sorry
I'm,
going
to
draw
a
line
on
that.
That's
not
going
to
sit
well
with
me
at
all,
so
I
have
some
thoughts.
Thank
you
for
the
applicant
and
the
public
comment
and
I
certainly
want
all
of
that.
For
the
record
one.
A
The
the
methadone
clinic
is
in
the
area,
but
it
is
further
down
on
Mineral,
Springs,
I.
Think
the
one
right
across
from
it's
the
Realtors
associationer
land
of
Sky
Association
of
Realtors.
Would
you
know
some
of
my
concerns
for
the
lighting
and
the
safety?
There
were
the
proximity
to
that
methadone
clinic
and
the
you
know
the
liquor
store
and
the
other
things
there,
but
you
know
I
see
what
they're
doing
is
trying
to
improve
this
area
of
the
community
and
I.
A
Also,
since
I
drive
up
boat
catcher
Road
a
lot
personally,
it
is
a
very
narrow
road.
Not
a
lot
of
shoulder.
Not
a
lot
of
it's
not
a
safe
place
to
walk.
I
would
have
been
very
concerned
when
I
first
looked
up
this
project
if
the
flow
of
residence
was
being
directed
down
boat
catcher.
My
understanding
is
that
restaurant
court
is
going
to
be
the
primary
vehicular
and
pedestrian
access
point
and
I
like
that,
because
then
we're
breaking
up
the
flows
of
those
traffic
into
that.
A
We're
spacing
out
that
traffic
flow
through
that
neighborhood
area,
so
I'm
happy
to
see
that's
being
spread
out.
More
I
still
have
some
concern
about
adding
that
on
there
but
I'm.
My
understanding
is
that
there
is
not
really
a
cut
through
or
anything
from
the
property
to
Bow
catcher.
A
Well,
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
anyone
I
believe
you're
correct.
Commissioner.
Also,
the
only
access
is
off
a
restaurant
Court.
A
So
when
I'm
getting
back
to
is
kind
of
my
question
earlier
is
about:
if
it's
not
this
applicant,
if
we're
making
this
now
pedestrian
thoroughfare
down
restaurant
Court
does
there
need
to
be
additional
lighting,
sidewalk
safety
standards
and
such
thrown
on
there
I
think
restaurant
Court's
more
apt
to
be
able
to
have
that
kind
of
improvement
where
I
think
beaucatcher
road
is
already
way
too
tight
to
add
anything
other
than
the
drainage.
Ditch
that's
already
there.
Those
are
my
kind
of
off
the
cuff
comments
or
thoughts
that
helps
it
hurts
anybody.
A
A
I'm
just
whining
well
I
mean
I
mean
maybe
it's
not
necessarily
a
condition.
Maybe
again,
this
gets
back
to
that
good
faith.
Effort
of
the
applicant
working
with
the
adjacent
business
owners
in
the
city,
giving
it
again
at
the
city
three
to
collectively
yeah
yeah,
fun,
oh
yeah,
but
collectively
fun,
sidewalk
lighting
I
mean
I
I,
don't
know.
Obviously
we
can
again
have
the
discussion
with
the
applicant,
but
I
I
certainly
hear
your
concerns.
A
I
think
they're
well,
intended
and
and
I
think
there
could
be
some
benefit
here
for
everybody.
So
I
don't
know
how
we
want
to
try
to
move
that
forward.
I
wasn't
at
the
point
where
I
felt,
like
a
condition
had
to
be
made.
Okay,
I
wanted
that
out
there
in
The,
Ether,
sure
sure
well,
I
know
they
have
to
provide
a
minimum
level
of
lighting
to
the
sidewalk.
With
that
help,
you
feel
better
about
it.
No
I
mean
that's
code
required
building
code,
but
that's
internal
yeah,
we're
talking
about
along.
A
Yes,
Mr
Sugg
sure,
certainly
so
I
think
we
have
somewhat
limited
control
along
our
Frontage.
We
still
have
to
talk
with
other
owners,
but
after
he
gets
past
our
Frontage,
we
start
to
lose
some
flexibility.
What's
theirs
there.
We
want
it
to
be
safe
and
that's
our
passage,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
could
fully
commit
to
guaranteeing
something
when
there's
a
lot
of
parties
involved.
Sure
that's
the
only
part.
I
would
add
to
that.
A
Am
I
allowed
to
ask
if
the
applicant
has
made
any
contact
with
the
you'll
catcher?
You
can
always
ask
whatever
Townhomes
below
I
mean.
Is
there
a
relationship
there
positive
or
negative,
or
is
it
not
I?
Don't
think
it's
required
I'm
just
curious
sure
I'll
speak
to
the
management
question.
This
one!
Sorry
can
you?
Oh
sorry.
My
name
is
Jeffrey
Barton
with
mountain
housing
opportunities,
the
management
of
this
apartment
complex
and
the
ownership
is
completely
different
right
from
the
adjoining
development
correct.
A
Whenever
we
build
a
an
apartment
community,
we
seek
to
be
a
good
neighbor,
so
we
do
know
the
owner
of
that
property
and
we'll
reach
out
to
them,
as
we
would
any
neighbor
to
see
what
compatibility
we
can
do,
but
it
will
not
be
managed
by
the
same
entity
that
currently
manages
those
understood,
I'm,
just
curious,
yeah,
I,
guess
one
perhaps
clarifying
question
and
I
think
perhaps
Mr
Barton
you
could
answer
this.
Mountain
housing
manages
their
own
properties.
Is
that
we
do
not.
A
We
work
with
a
professional
property
management
company
called
partnership,
Property
Management.
They
manage
our
entire
portfolio
and
do
a
great
job
and
yeah
I.
We
always
encourage
anyone
who's
nervous
about
us
coming
into
their
neighborhood
to
go
visit
any
of
our
communities
unannounced
and
just
check
them
out
see
how
well
they're
managed,
but
we
we
don't
do
that
ourselves.
We
contract
out.
Thank
you.
A
Ers
at
the
mall
and
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
18
to
22
year
olds,
who
go
there,
looking
for
a
job
and
I
still
manage
18
to
22
year
olds
and
a
lot
of
them
don't
have
a
car.
It's
this
new
generation,
they're,
not
they're,
not
excited
to
get
their
license,
and
so
this
Transportation
going
to
and
from
that
Corridor
is,
is
really
good
into
the
plan.
I
do
want
to
revisit
the
bike
lockers.
A
My
thought
is
like
the
the
County
Parking
Deck,
that's
over
there
off
Cox
avenue
how
they
have
the
bike
Lockers
in
there.
A
So
I
just
want
to
applaud
you
for
everything
you
have
put
into
this,
because
it's
going
to
create
so
much
more
growth
for
everybody
who
needs
it
down
in
that
area.
A
Thank
you,
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
believe.
A
Well,
let's
just
make
sure
so
for
condition.
Number
seven
we're
going
to
slightly
revise
that
bike
lanes
are
not
going
to
be
provided
sharrows
into
the
development
or
on
the
on
the
entrance
into
the
development
will
be
provided,
and
then
there
will
be
good
faith
conversations
with
the
adjoining
property
owners
about
potential
of
shares
on
restaurant
court
at
some
future
time.
A
C
B
B
Okay,
it's
up
to
you.
No
okay,
I
feel
like
I'm
voting
against
something.
A
B
F
G
All
right,
we
have
two
more
items
on
the
agenda.
I
think
these
are
going
to
be
fairly
simple.
Excuse
me,
they're.
Both
zoning
text
amendments
the
first
one
is
a
request
to
consider
a
proposed
zoning
text,
amendment
to
chapter
7
of
the
unified
development
ordinance
to
revise
open
space
regulations,
planner
coordinating
review
as
well
Palmquist.
G
Thank
you,
chair,
I
will
be
presenting,
see
you
one
I'll
be
presenting
this
open
space
minor
Amendment
to
the
Udo,
which
is
a
tech
Amendment
only
so
some
background.
It's
a
kickoff
video
has
amended
this
past
summer
regarding
the
open
space
requirements,
essentially
as
a
way
to
either
require
more
open
space
for
sites
above
one
acre
in
size
or
to
incentivize,
affordable
housing
and
or
better
stormwater
standards.
G
So
that's
been
in
place
for
I,
guess
six,
seven
months
now
and
we've
been
reviewing
new
projects
against
those
standards,
so
the
current
code
basically
means
you
know
there
are
some
exemptions
to
where
this
open
space
requirement
would
kick
in,
one
of
which
is
when
there's
a
proposal
for
additions
or
expansions
to
an
existing
building.
However,.
H
An
expansion
other
project
of
their
site
where
they
want
to
do
more
than
a
1500
square
feet,
and
basically,
what
this
comes
down
to
is
that
you
know
they're
not
able
to
meet
the
base
requirement
that
half
their
site
is
open
space
because
it's
an
existing
condition
if
their
commercial
project
they're
not
able
to
really
take
advantage
of
the
incentives
regarding
any
affordable
housing
and
in
order
to
meet
the
storm
water
incentives,
they
basically
have
to
re-develop
their
entire
site.
You
know
driveway
parking,
even
the
building,
potentially
to
do
any
kind
of
like
sub
surface.
H
You
know
systems
for
for
storm
water
management
to
meet
the
current
current
standards.
So
what
we're
currently
proposing
is
to,
in
order
to
better
support
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
which
was
to
support
adaptive.
Reuse
of
properties,
is
to
change
the
threshold
for
that
exemption
of.
B
F
And
it
seems
to
imply
that
only
one
of
those
natural
features
can
is
capped
at
50,
when,
in
fact
it's
supposed
to
be
all
natural,
Open
Spaces
is
only
allowed
to
be
50
of
the
total
requirement.
It
would
also.
This
proposal
would
also
remove
historic
resources
from
subsection
D,
which
is
described
as
an
open
space
typology.
F
So
the
pros
is
that
this
amendment
would
allow
for
the
additions
and
expansions
at
existing
buildings
up
to
50
50
percent
of
the
pre-expansion
floor
area,
which
matches
the
threshold
for
full
site
compliance,
as
cited
in
section
711.
It
would
clarify
how
much
natural
open
space
can
count
towards
the
site's
total
open
space
requirement
and
also
removes
duplicative
code
regarding
historic
resources,
as
properties
as
such
are
already
Exempted
from
open
space
requirements.
F
The
only
con
that
staff
identified
is
that
you
know
sites
proposing
additions
or
expansions
greater
than
1500
square
feet,
but
less
than
50
percent
of
the
pre-expansion
floor
area
would
not
be
required
to
provide
a
50
open
space
nor
be
incentivized
to
meet
affordable
housing
or
storm
water
standards.
So
there
would
be
you
know,
sites
that
would
be
freed
up
to
have
a
larger
expansion
to.
D
F
Their
to
meet
their
needs
and
then
they
would
and
would
kind
of
lose
an
opportunity.
F
F
Thank
you,
Mr
Palmquist,
any
questions.
F
I,
just
read
it
and
I
advise
this
Resources
Commission,
so
it
looks
like
an
historic
resources.
Section
was
struck
and
I.
Just
I
wanted
to
be
sure
that
that
was
you
check
that
with
the
HRC
yeah
we
have
coordinated
with
staff
specifically
Alex
Cole
about
that
yeah.
Essentially,
historic
properties
was
was
identified
as
one
of
the
types
of
open
space
that
could
count
to
the
requirement,
but
at
the
same
time,
that
of
somewhat
vague
definition
and
then
understanding
that
later,
in
that
same
section,.
G
G
B
J
B
Which
could
be
overly
permissive.
J
We've
felt
that
you
know,
since
Landmark
buildings
are
are
exempt
anyway.
It
would
kind
of
make.
C
C
Gosh,
as
far.
J
B
10
or
15
like
it's
so
far,
it's
been
a
smallish
smallish.
You
know
some
of
them.
Are
you
know,
decent
sized
properties
that
you
know
been
older
commercial
projects
that
are
that?
Are
you
know
existing
for
a
while
that
want
to
do
a
decent
size?
Expansion?
You
know,
1500
square
feet
is
relatively
small
for
you.
D
B
At
that
sure
so
yeah
the
open
source
requirements
we
found
have
worked
very
well
for
for
new
projects
that.
B
But
definitely
a
few
properties.
F
B
D
J
G
B
B
F
The
Enterprise
on
Tunnel
Road,
where
there's
a
ghost
path
because
they
only
did
x
amount
and
they
didn't
have
to
put
the
sidewall.
Oh
yeah
I-
think
yeah
yeah,
not
something
we
looked
into.
We
certainly
could
yeah
I
think
it's
I,
Think
It's
Tricky.
B
When
it
and
I'm
not
a
stormwater
expert
by
any
means
trying
to
break
apart.
J
J
Yeah
I
mean
I,
think
it's
yeah
I
break
it
up
more,
as
had
it
been
looked
at
and
and
certainly
I'm
sure,
there's
a
lot.
K
B
B
B
That
balancing
point
for
sure,
so
what
would
be
the
type
of
review
for
this
scenario
level?
One
two
three
yeah,
usually
it's
a
level
one
or
two
typically.
B
A
Percent
they
wouldn't
have
to
provide
the
required
the
new
requirements
for
open
space,
which
would
also
be
the
same
50
additions,
the
same
threshold
for
full
site
compliance,
but
there
are
other
thresholds
like
the
building
value.
So
let's
say
they're
not
you
know,
they'll,
say
they're,
not
expanding
their
building
by
only
a
couple
square
feet,
but
they're.
You
know
painting
it
in
in
gold
and
it's
going
to
increase
the
value
of
the
building
more
than
75
percent.
Well
then
they
have
to
bring
their
site
in
the
compliance
anyway,
so
there
are
other
triggers.
B
A
J
A
D
B
And
you
know,
building
code
looks
at
that
yeah
if
you're
not
bringing
up
in
residential
when
you're
doing
renovations.
If
you're
not
going
over
50
of
value
or
changing
more
than
50,
you
don't
have
to
bring
up
the
code
so
correct,
yeah,
that's
kind
of
in
line
with
some
of
those
other
Udo
standards,
because
it
is
tough
to
try
to
find
that
otherwise
could
be
arbitrary
thresholds.
B
B
B
D
B
B
D
K
Years
ago,
to
create
this
use
and
and
place
it
in
a
district,
currently,
cat
cafes
are
only
allowed
as
a
permanent
use.
E
Basically
a
permit
and
then
a
request
from
a
business
owner
who
is
seeking
to
open
a
cab
Cafe
in
the
Haywood
Road
Corridor
district,
and
you
know,
residents.
Business
owners
can
petition
the
city
for
presoning.
B
Requests
and
we
felt
that,
instead
of
making
them
go
through
a
conditional
zoning
process
or
denying
their
permit
outright,
that
amending
the
Udo
to
allow
cab,
cafes
and.
E
More
districts
was
was
a
more
reasonable
approach.
B
D
Pretty
good
these
Urban
District
Urban
Village
urban.
E
Place
airport
CBD
expansion,
commercial
expansion,
Haywood
Road,
one
two:
three:
four:
six
and
seven:
the
Red
Line
Lemon
Street
rad,
neighborhood
transition,
rad
shop,
front,
rad,
Riverfront
and
rad
Industrial.
M
Yeah
there
are,
you
know,
regulations
regarding
Health
Department
codes.
A
B
Thing
so
you
know
I
think,
there's
obviously
separate
requirements
for
the
preparation
of
food
and
interaction
of
where
cats
would
be,
but
essentially
the
idea
being
that
you
know
you.
L
Could
have
cats
in
the
same
establishment
that
would
that
would
serve
food
or
other
retail
and
like
bookstores
and
other
kinds
of
shops
like
that?
Okay,
because,
like
seems
it's
different
from
dogs,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
like
where,
like.
If.
B
B
H
Yeah,
we
don't
have
that
one
yet
in
the
Udo
you
know
I
think
some
of
this
is
a
question
of
you
know.
Where
do
you
draw
those
distinctions
and
would
it
could
it
fall
under
just.
B
Of
health
code
regulations
regarding
such
things,
so
since
we
have
a
cab
Cafe
definition,
we
have
to
kind
of
go
with
that
definition
on
the
books.
So
for
your
points
we'll
take
in
something
that
we
discussed
earlier
in
the
pre-meetings.
Where
do
you
kind
of
draw
that
line?
And
because
my
thing
is
like
a
dog
bar
is
like
classified
as
like?
L
In
a
dog
bar
like,
if
you
go
to
there's
three
dog
parks
here
in
town,
they
cannot
have
a
restaurant
in
there
like
where
they
prepare
food.
So
as
I'm
reading
this
you're
saying
that,
like
a
cat,
can
go
into
like
a
restaurant
I'm
just
going
to
be
like
prepared
when
a
dog
bark
comes,
and
they
ask
us
for
the
same
thing,
sure
yeah
and
we
haven't
looked
into
that.
So
I
can't
speak
to
that
explicitly.
L
L
It
is
deciding,
and
if
somebody
came
to
us
and
said
you
know,
the
dog
bar
is
a
different
use
and
we
don't
have
it
as
a
defined
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
a
similar!
Well
I,
don't
know!
Maybe
sometimes
when
you
don't
have
defined
use.
You
say
it's
similar
too,
so
it
would
probably
be
a
dog
place,
but
I
had
to
meet
the
Humane
Society.
You
know
the
rules
that
they
were
sponsored
like
a
shelter
and
then
they
would
have
to
meet
them.
L
Having
their
pets
there
for
Animals,
yeah,
well
and
I,
think
and
I,
don't
I
haven't
pulled
up
the
original
I
remember
when
the
whole
Cat
Cafe
came
through
and
there
are
you
know
you
do
have
to
meet
the
health
standards
like
they
can't
I.
Think
there's
something
about,
like
the
restaurant
part
even
has
to
be
separated.
L
I,
don't
remember
exactly
how
but
yeah
the
rules.
Yeah,
there's
the
healthcare
stuff.
L
L
Where
how
do
you
start
to
say,
because
you're
right,
someone
now
probably
is
going
to
say
I
want
a
Dog
Cafe
and
then
you
want
the
popular
ity,
so
yeah
I'm
gonna
leave
that
for
you
all
in
September
or
October,
or
whenever
that
comes
you
guys
can
take
care
of
that
one
when
and
change
this
to
be
all-inclusive
animal
adoption,
Cafe
I,
think
that
might
be
them
but
broader
umbrella.
But
my
question
is
this:
there
is
still
a
health
standard
that
has
to
be
met.
L
L
Did
we
shouldn't
approve
this?
Oh
no,
no
I
wasn't
kidding
at
that
I'm.
Just
thinking
that
again,
we
were
talking
about
in
the
pre-median.
I
am
wondering,
should
I
think
maybe
I'll
be
honest.
We've
let
the
cat
out
of
the
bag.
Literally,
we
need
to
yeah
get
that
umbrella,
bigger
yeah.
In
this
case,
you
definitely
have
you
know.
C
L
And
I'm
guessing,
why
that's?
Why
there's
all
these
people
over
here?
Thank
you
for
being
patient
the
wheels
of
you
know.
You
know
yeah.
My
name
is
Hannah
soboleski
yeah,
I
I.
It's
totally
fine!
Don't
worry!
We
had
nothing
else
to
do,
but
to
be
here
tonight
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
this
in
particular.
L
L
It
has
to
be
pre-packaged,
so
the
people
were
allowed
to
go
up
and
you
know
walk
into
like
a
retail
space,
a
bookstore
space
in
in
the
front
and
you
know
purchase
you
know
a
snack,
that's
in
a
bag,
a
bag
of
chips
or
whatever,
and
then
they're
allowed
to
take
it
in
the
back
area
where
the
cats
are,
but
none
of
that
is
allowed
to
be.
Cats
are
not
allowed
to
be
in
the
front
area
or
any
other
area
where
there's
food
sold
at
all.
L
Furthermore,
you
know
the
Cat
Cafe
Amendment
before
was
approved,
but
it
was
only
approved
for
the
downtown
district,
which
is
fine,
but
I
think
that
you
know
that
kind
of
really
prohibits
small
business
owners
like
myself,
that
are
wanting
to
try
to
do
something
really
good
with
their
lives.
I'm.
Also,
the
executive
director
of
our
partnership,
rescue
Bings,
his
home
for
black
cats.
We
do
fully
vet
all
of
our
cats
and
no
vetting
will
be
happening
on
site.
L
It
will
be
fully
medically
vetted
by
our
veterinarian
and
all
of
that
has
to
be
on
site
before
we
can
even
bring
the
cats
in
at
all.
They
also
have
to
go
through
a
quarantine
period
of
10
days
before
they
can
be
brought
in.
So
all
of
that
is
under
the
Department
of
Agriculture
Veterinary
board
Division
and
they
actually
we're
working
with
them
currently,
and
they
have
approved
that
this
would
all
work
together.
L
L
L
Think
it's
fine
to
expand
it
into
others.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
Yeah
I
agree
I.
It
strikes
me
as
strange
that
we
are
regulating
this
through
Zone,
okay,.
B
G
L
G
L
B
D
B
Right
so
that
concludes
tonight's
agenda.
B
The
next
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
will
be
held
on
Wednesday
May
3rd
pre-meeting
at
4
30,
upstairs
main
meeting
here
in
the
same
room
at
5,
00
pm
I'll
make
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Do
we
have
a
second?
Second?
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
all
those
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
motion
passes.
We
are
adjourned.