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From YouTube: Design Review Committee – April 20, 2023
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Regular meeting of the City of Asheville Design Review Committee.
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Afternoon,
I'm,
Robin,
Raines
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
you
to
YouTube
April
20th
2023
design,
review
committee
meeting.
This
is
a
nine
person
committee
whose
primary
function
is
to
perform
design
review
for
projects
located
in
one
of
the
city's
three
designated
design
review
areas
downtown
the
riverfront
and
the
new
hotel
overlay
zoning
District.
This
is
a
mandatory
review,
voluntary
compliance
process
with
one
exception,
and
that
is
for
hotels
seeking
to
skip
Council
review
hotels.
Taking
advantage
of
this
incentive
must
receive
a
positive
recommendation
from
this
committee.
All.
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And
now
we
will
proceed
to
the
agenda
and
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Promotion
promotion
to
approve
okay
seconded.
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Okay,
Jeremy
is
the
chair.
Now
the
nomination
for
vice
chair
is
Christina
all
in
favor
aye.
D
I
think
I'm
done
cheat
sheets
done
anyway.
Okay,
thank
you.
Next
order
of
business
would
be
a
new
business,
formal
design
review
and
the
first
item
and
our
only
item
on
the
agenda
under
this
category
would
be
68
Carter,
Street,
Carter,
Street
mixed
use
tribute
hotel
level
two.
It's
a
formal
review
of
a
new
eight-story
mixed-use
building,
totaling
159,
100
square
feet
and
I.
Think
Will's
going
to
tell
us
a
little
bit.
H
About
it,
thank
you,
chair
will
pomquist
is
putting
Urban
Design
I'll,
be
presenting
this
design
review
item
for
a
level
two
mixed-use
project
with
the
hotel
component.
H
So
this
is
a
being
reviewed
as
a
mandatory
review
and
mandatory
compliance
process
seeking
to
bypass
city
council
by
meeting
the
zoning
code
and
in
the
requirements
for
public
benefits.
It
would
also
be
reviewed
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
for
a
site
plan
compliance
as
well,
so
this
project
is
known
as
Carter
Street
mixed
use
and
tribute
Hotel
project
located
at
68,
Carter
Street.
It's
currently
a
surface
parking
lot
totaling
about
one
and
a
quarter.
H
Acres
location
is
between
Social
Service
delivery
uses
with
a
hope
day
center
located
just
to
the
south
of
the
site.
It's
Zone
CBD,
located
outside
the
traditional
downtown
core
and
within
the
tallest
tight
Zone
and
is
in
the
hotel
overlay
district
for
small
and
large
hotels
and
the
site
does
not
have
Frontage
on
any
key
pedestrian
streets.
H
So
essentially,
what's
being
proposed
is
a
new
eight-story
tall
mixed-use
building
with
115
hotel
guest
rooms,
24
residential
units
and
commercial
space.
There's
also
165
structured
parking
spaces
proposed
within
two
levels
of
underground
parking.
H
So,
as
you
can
kind
of
see
here
on
the
site
plan,
the
vehicular
access
to
the
project
is
for
the
hotel
use
is
off
of
Carter
Street,
there's
area
for
a
valet
and
a
it's
called
a
car,
auto
Court.
It
also
leads
down
to
the
other
two
levels
of
underground
parking
below
that
access
to
the
residential
arcing
is
off
of
Ann
Street
on
the
west
side
of
the
site,
so
I'll
show
some
of
the
elevations
and
renderings
the
landscape
plan.
H
So
here
you
can
see
the
the
compliant
landscape
plan.
Landscaping
is
relatively
minimal
in
the
in
the
CBD.
Zoning
District
mostly
includes
things
such
as
Street
trees
and
tree
canopy
preservation
standards.
You
can
see
the
street
trees
being
proposed
along
Carter
and
Ann
streets.
There
are
no
overhead
utility
lines
on
Carter
Street,
therefore,
large
maturing
trees
are
required
and
there
are
overhead
utility
lines
on
Ann
Street
and
therefore
small
maturing
trees
are
allowed
and
required.
H
There
has
been
some
recent
discussion
amongst
staff,
and
this
something
I
haven't
spoke
with
the
applicant
about,
but
maybe
suggesting
the
possibility,
as
the
project
moves
forward
about
either
relocating
some
of
those
utility
poles
on
Ann
Street,
because
they
have
a
minimal
amount
of
utility
on
them,
really
just
communication
lines
and
then
Street
lighting
power,
they're,
not
major
power
lines.
H
So
if
you
know
as
as
currently
as
the
site
currently
dictates,
their
project
is
compliant,
but
it
could
be
improved
with
with
that
change,
depending
on
how
much
relocation
of
those
poles
might
be
required
anyway.
So
that
might
just
do
something
the
applicant
might
want
to
keep
in
mind
as
the
project
moves
moves
ahead.
H
We'll
go
ahead
and
flip
to
the
floor
plans.
We
have
some
updated
renderings.
I'll.
Just
note
that
yesterday,
that
the
applicant
sent
a
revised
front
elevation,
essentially
what's
being
changed
from
the
version
that
was
sent
out
last
week,
is
that
this
kind
of
upper
brick
massing
has
been
capped
at
the
floor
of
the
of
the
top
story
to
kind
of
bring
that
bring
that
height
down.
Overall,
you
can
see
that
better
demonstrated
here.
This
is
East
Elevation
floor
plan
for
the
brick
element
essentially
ends
at
the
floor
of
the
top
story.
H
Instead
of
continuing
all
the
way
up,
and
then
this
metal
metal
element
kind
of
extends
further
across
that
portion
of
the
facade,
you
can
get
a
sense
of
some
materials
being
proposed.
H
The
one
and
two
story
Total
front
elevation,
which
steps
back
to
meet
the
step
back
requirements
at
the
street
Wall
height,
as
dictated
by
the
the
right-of-way
as
it's
outside
the
traditional
downtown
core,
it's
mostly
a
brick
veneer
material
and
then
a
combination
of
efis,
paneling
metal
panels
and
decorative
metal
screening
on
the
kind
of
the
hotel
room
section
of
the
building
as
well.
H
So
you
can
see
the
west
elevation
off
of
Ann
Street,
the
one
in
two
story:
kind
of
portion
of
the
building
that
fronts
on
Ann
Street,
that
has
a
combination
of
the
the
retail
use
and
meeting
room
space
as
well.
You
can
see
the
access
to
the
residential
parking
undergrounds
of
this
garage
door,
there's
also
a
small
kind
of
roll-up
door
for
for
dumpster
access
that
is,
look
is
situated
more
on
the
site
and
then
rolled
down
to
the
parking
garage
entrance.
D
H
So
they
have
this
portion
of
the
building
here,
that
kind
of
screens
and
activates
on
on
that
portion.
They
do
not
have
proposed
retail
uses
along
along
this
section
where
the
vehicular
access
is
another.
Some
allowances
for
circulation
and
access
to
the
site,
so
kind
of
my
interpretation
is
that
they
met
the
intent
of
that
section.
D
It's
right
here
in
the
staff
report
at
TRC
per
Udo
session,
797,
a
bunch
of
stuff
parking
garages
fronting
on
and
located
within
50
feet
of
streets
shall
provide
a
full
habitable
story
and
use
along
the
street
side
facades
with
a
minimum
depth
of
20
feet.
D
H
So
kind
of
my
interpretation
of
that
and
other
staff
who
reviewed
the
projects
is
that
is
that
the
intent
of
that
requirement
is
met
with
the
design
you
know.
Obviously
there
has
to
be
some
allowances
for
Access
and
parking
garage.
You
know,
doors
I,
think
that
section
as
read
literally
is
would
our
opinion
was
that
it
kind
of
is
overly
restrictive?
H
And
if
you
applied
it
literally,
you
wouldn't
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
a
parking
garage
door,
even
access
the
parking
so
kind
of
based
off
that
understanding
that
you
know
they
have
this
portion
of
the
Ann
Street
ground
floor
that
meets
the
intent
of
that
and
with
some
you
know,
limited
utility
access
garage
door
access
as
needed
for
the
for
the
for
that
design.
H
I
think
it's
a
part
of
the
code
that
could
be
cleaned
up
and
be
a
little
more
clear.
That's
from
the
hotel
overlay
section
of
the
code,
so
I
think
that
our
understanding
is
that
the
design
meets
the
intent
of
that
the
literal
meaning
might
be
different,
based
on
the
actual
verbage
of
it,
which
I
think
is
overly
restrictive
to
be
not
be
able
to
be
functionally
applied.
When
you
have
a
street
that
a
building
that
fronts
on
two
facades
of
a
property
I.
D
H
And
it's
going
to
depend
on
access
to
cyber
sites
a
little
bit
different
and
the
access
points
depending
on
if
they
have
a
side
street
or
an
alley
depend
as
well.
So
it's
all
very
it's
all
very
site-specific,
and
this
site
is
unique
because
it
does
run
on
on
two
streets.
Essentially
yeah.
H
There
was
some
jumping
around
a
little
bit,
but
there
was
some
discussion
at
the
downtown
commission
meeting
last
week
as
they
informally
review
this
project
about
this
elevation
and
the
other
side
elevations
being
relatively
under
under
designed
or
just
minimally
designed
or
articulated
the
when
the
fenestration
requirements
don't
apply
or
are
superseded
by
building
code,
where
buildings
are
built
on
property
lines
and
therefore
cannot
can
I
put
Windows
when
they
are
on
property
lines.
H
But
there
was
some
discussion
about
other
design
solutions
that
could
help
to
mitigate
some
of
that
kind
of
Stark
appearance,
which
is
also
seen
a
bit
on
on
the
south.
Building
elevation
as
well
applicant
also
provided
cut
throughs
and
renderings.
So,
as
mentioned,
there
is
updated
renderings
for
that
East
Elevation
show
those
briefly.
H
This
gives
a
better
sense
of
kind
of
a
materials
the
depth,
the
articulation
of
the
building.
You
can
see
that
revised
portion
of
the
center
column,
brick
element
ending
at
the
floor
of
the
top
story
in
the
metal
paneling
taking
over
that
portion
of
the
building
the
access
the
recessed
pedestrian
entrance
as
well
Street,
trees.
H
H
The
project
was
also
informally
reviewed
on
the
downtown
commission
last
week
at
their
April
14th
meeting
in
some
of
those
concerns
and
suggestions
centered
around
the
possibility
for
more
street
level
activation
in
the
form
of
ground
floor
commercial
uses.
So
you
know
the
building
is
compliant
with
the
zoning
requirement.
I
think
there
was
some
discussion
about.
You
know
whether
either
that
requirement
is
is
adequate
or
you
know,
there's
always
the
opportunity
to
go
above
and
beyond
the
requirements.
So
that
was
a
suggestion.
H
As
mentioned
the
relatively
sparse
architectural
designs
on
the
north
and
south
building,
elevens
again
the
opportunity
for
Green
Building
Technology
the
ability
to
address
Public
Safety
through
design
Solutions
such
as
more
Street
lighting,
which
I
think
is
going
to
be
important
consideration
for
for
uses
in
this
District
there's,
definitely
a
some
element
and
contingent
of
a
transient
population
or
folks,
experiencing
homelessness
or
folks
in
the
area
for
Social,
Service
delivery.
H
So
I
think
addressing
Public
Safety
through
the
design
of
the
building,
we'll
just
lead
to
the
success
of
the
building
and
the
overall
neighborhood
going
forward.
The
opportunity
to
enhance
the
public
realm
design.
I
think
there
was
some
concern
that
the
new
sidewalks
do
meet
through
apartments
or
the
10
foot
wide
new
sidewalk
installation,
but
that
there's
an
expectation
that
you
know
in
in
our
parts
of
downtown
that
sidewalks
and
Street
trees
are
the
bare
minimum
so
to
go
above
and
beyond.
H
That
is
something
that
the
downtown
commission
welcomes
and
then,
finally,
that
there's
a
concern
that
the
portion
of
Ann
Street
is
is
under
designed
or
or
just
kind
of,
not
as
fully
fleshed
out
or
thought
through.
As
the
the
main
facade
along
Carter
Street,
that
about
sums
up
the
guidelines,
the
Udo
and
prior
reviews
for
this
project
staff
does
support
the
proposed
building
design
and
recommends
approval,
as
the
project
is
in
alignment
with
requirements
and
guidelines.
H
H
So
the
guidelines
require
a
higher
fenestration
requirements,
there's
limits
to
access
as
well
depending
on
the
overall
site,
mostly
things
such
as
that
some
things
are
already
covered
by
requirements
in
the
hotel
overlay.
So
things
like
the
active
uses
along
the
ground
floor
are
requirement
for
hotels,
regardless
of
where
they
are,
and
if
it
was
on
a
key
pedestrian
street,
it
wouldn't
matter
if
it
was
a
hotel
or
not,
it
would
have
to
have
that
active
uses
along
the
ground
floor.
H
So
some
of
those
requirements
apply
that
are
similar
because
it's
hotel
and
they
have
similar
requirements,
but
other
things
like
fenestration
requirements
and
opening
calculations
on
ground
floors
are
are
lower.
When
it's
not
a
key
pedestrian
street
seems.
H
H
So
you
have
Carter
Street
might
be
at
50
to
the
answer
to
51.
so
they're
they're
over
the
requirement,
but
it
looks
like
below
what
would
be
required
on
for
a
keep
pedestrian
street.
As
as
that
information
would
indicate.
I
We
are
adding
a
bunch
of
people
to
Carter
Street,
not
only
with
this
project,
but
the
one
that's
nearing
completion,
yes
seems
like
it
ought
to
be
a
key
pedestrian
street
I
guess
we
talked
about
making
sure
staff
is
moving
in
that
direction.
Sure,
and
maybe
this
project
should
anticipate
that
to
something.
H
Yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
good
point
and
you
know
I
think
if
we
are
making
any
changes
to
our
to
the
downtown
design
guidelines
or
the
CBD
zoning
District,
where
the
key
best
friend
streets
are
our
map.
That
is
definitely
something
that
we
could
consider
at
that
point.
Definitely
aren't
kind
of
concentrated
in
parts
of
downtown
and
other
parts
maybe
aren't
considered
as
well,
and
it's
not
that
every
street
needs
to
be
a
key
pedestrian
street,
but
I
think
there
are
certain.
H
You
know:
corridors
and
kind
of
character,
streets
in
every
District
or
downtown
that
could
be
deserving
of
that
kind
of
qualification.
So
they
do
receive
that
kind
of
extra
design
detail
and
can
kind
of
anchor
any
future
development
there
for
sure.
F
H
Right,
so
my
understanding
is
that
it
would
mean
that
50
of
the
front
and
50
of
the
rear
total
have
to
meet
that
requirement.
It
can
be
aggregated
like
maybe
you
could
have.
This
is
two
fronts:
it's
not
a
rear
right
right,
so
the
Ann
Street
and
Carter
Street.
H
My
understanding
is
that
when
you
aggregate
those
it
doesn't
mean
one
side
is
25
one
side's
25
percent.
It
could
be
that
one
side,
75
one
side-
is
25,
for
instance,
so
that
if
each
street
is
required
to
be
50
once
you
have
a
little
bit
more
once
you've
got
a
little
bit
less
yeah.
I
wouldn't
read
it
that
way.
D
That's
designed
for
a
single
Frontage
street,
but
if
you're,
if
you've
got
two
fronts,
then
it's
you
can
aggregate
within
each
street
right
I
mean
I,
had
a
project
that
had
three
fronts
and
that
was
challenging.
We
had
to
meet
the
requirements
because
they
didn't
count
the
building
having
a
rear.
It
was
three
fronts
well,.
I
H
D
I
H
B
How
the
we
have
to
kind
of
strike
a
ground
floor
on
these
projects,
so
the
I'm
getting
my
streets
mixed
up,
the
Main
Street,
that's
Carter,
I
think
there's
a
couple
levels
below
that
that
are
actually
I.
Think
parking
as
you
go
down
as
you
go
down
the
sidewalk,
but
we're
counting
the
the
activation
as
that
grade
level
on
the
main
grade
access.
Thank
you.
D
E
H
H
Question
yeah:
this
really
meets
the
requirement
in
any,
in
which
case
I
think
the
question
of
aggregation.
You
know
aggregation
deserves
more
attention
going
forward.
In
this
case
it
would
meet
their
apartments
in
either
sense
of
interpreting.
It
I'd
take
them
to
mean
a
different
meaning,
so
I
think
if
they're
below
that,
then
we
definitely
want
to
be
more
sure
about
that
interpretation,
but
it
does
mean
it
in
any
case
of
interpretation,.
H
B
One
one
item
we
had
noted:
we
we
had
asked
Asheville,
Police
Department,
is
offering
a
Security
review
or
I
can't
remember
what
they're
calling
it.
B
H
So
that
is
something
that's
still
TBD
okay,
so
we
were
just
the
staff
level
kind
of
introduced
by
email,
the
other
day
or
I.
Have
a
meeting
set
up,
I
think
for
Monday
to
talk
through
it
and
at
that
point
we'd
be
engaging
with
the
applicant
about
some
of
those
potential
design.
H
Solutions
and
you
know,
I-
think
we
got
into
that
aspect
a
little
bit
late
in
the
review
of
this,
but
I
think
there
are
changes
that
could
be
made,
maybe,
as
the
project
moves
to
final
TRC,
that
don't
really
affect
the
design
of
the
building
itself
agreed,
but
yes,
so
we
will
be
pursuing
that
and
I
think
that's,
definitely
something
that
we're
taking
advantage
of
going
forward
to
you
know
ensure
that
Public
Safety
design
and
buildings
and
sites
that
are
naturally
provide
Public
Safety
is
something
that
we
see
more
of
yeah.
H
Cuts,
so
that's
not
a
curb
cut
down
here
in
front
of
this
roll-up
door.
It's
a
little
service
thing
that
used.
That
was
in
the
previous
design,
a
curb
cut
and
that,
and
that
was
over
the
limits
of
spacing
it's.
Basically,
they
have
a
kind
of
a
separated
portion
of
the
sidewalk,
so
they
have
their
10
foot
wide
sidewalk
and
then
another
portion,
that's
distinct
from
that
public
sidewalk,
where
they'd
roll,
the
dumpster
out
of
and
then
and
then
down,
presumably
to
the
actual
curb
cut
where
the
entrances.
H
So
that
was
their
solution
for
for
the
limits
on
on
driveway
space
and
curb
pad
spacing.
D
I
think
we're
ready
for
that.
Do
you
have
questions
for
the
applicant
as
well.
D
C
H
M
N
I
guess
I
just
a
kind
of
a
quick
walk
through
or
to
address
some
of
the
comments
that
you
guys
have
discussed
on
the
Ann
Street
side
and
what
we've
tried
to
do.
There
is
obviously
we've
got.
The
two
stories
now
I
think
that
your
question
about
aggregation
was
our
original
Proposal
with
the
informal
putting
most
of
that
on
Carter.
So
we
do
in
fact
meet
that
or
exceed
that
50
on
on
both
both
sides-
and
you
know-
we've
got
retail
down
at
the
sidewalk
level.
N
We've
got
meeting
space
at
the
level
above
and
then
that
meeting
space
actually
opens
up
and
there's
a
portion
of
a
kind
of
amenity
Terrace.
That's
part
of
the
pool,
Terrace
and
event
errors
for
the
meeting
space
that
has
balconies
that
also
look
over
on
Ann
Street.
We
felt
like
that
and
really
kind
of
would
help
to
bring
some
life
and
energy
to
annistry.
You
know
events
and
things.
D
N
F
So
Mr
Hauser,
it's
good
to
see
you
you're
also
a
landscape
architect
so-
and
you
probably
know
this
site
better
than
anybody
in
the
room
just
because
you've
lived
and
worked
around
it
for
a
long
time,
so
glad
you're
on
the
project.
F
The
the
comments
that
are
going
to
be
made
are
comments
that
we
typically
bring
up
with
any
hotel
project
that
comes
before
us
in
this
new
updated
format.
By
not
having
to
go
through
city
council
with
the
hotel
development
process.
F
This
group
has
been
charged
with
a
lot
in
terms
of
community
benefits
and
how
projects
like
this
not
only
benefit
the
developer
with
a
successful
in-budget
project,
but
projects
that
are
good
for
the
community.
So
we
appreciate
you
coming
back.
We
appreciate
you
coming
to
town
architect
regarding
the
site.
Are
there
any
elements
in
the
site,
design
and
I'm
specifically
talking
about
the
streetscape?
Are
there
any
elements
that
go
above
and
beyond
the
minimum
requirements
of
the
Udo.
F
M
F
Thanks
so
that
obviously
opens
up
an
opportunity
for
some
interesting
streetscape
opportunities
rather
than
consistent
tree
grades,
all
the
way
down.
If
we
don't
have
cars
parking
at
the
curb
and
pedestrians
walking
out,
there's
some
unique
and
interesting
opportunities:
the
with
storm
water
management.
How
is
the
storm
water
being
handled
on
this
project
in
terms
of
meeting
the
minimum
state
requirements,
because.
M
M
Okay,
I,
don't
know
the
details
of
it.
We're
not
designing
it.
I
did
have
a
conversation
based
on
our
informal
meeting
with
y'all
previously
with
Public
Works
about
the
possibility
of
locating
storm
water
measures
below
the
walk,
and
they
were
not
interested
in
owning
that
or
maintaining
that
yeah
I
can.
F
We
appreciate
you
all
looking
at
some
Alternatives
with
again
as
I
mentioned
Hotel
projects
like
this
that
are
extremely
sensitive
for
the
citizens
of
Asheville.
We
do
look
for
special
Community
benefits
and
personally,
above
and
beyond
minimum
requirements.
F
I
am
I
regret
that
what
I
am
seeing
in
the
site
is
not
getting
the
same
level
of
attention
in
terms
of
design
as
the
design
of
the
building,
in
that
it's
basically
meeting
minimum
requirements,
and
so
The
Pedestrian
experience
is
one
thing
is
the:
has
the
owner
been
made
aware
or
have
y'all
discussed
with
them?
Alternative
storm
water
management
techniques
such
as
green
roofs,.
N
To
some
level,
but
okay,
you
know:
we've
got
on
again
on
the
amenity
Terrace,
where
the
pool
is,
and
some
other
autonomous
we're,
certainly
planning
some
planting
areas
there.
That
would
you
know
things.
Okay,.
G
F
F
That
purpose
and
that
that
space
does
look,
it's
going
to
be
really
nice
I
know
that,
and
definitely
before
I
go
further
on
this.
Every
project
is
not
suitable
for
a
green
roof.
Many
projects
are
not
to
me.
This
project
is
perfect
for
Green
Roof
System,
part
of
that
is
because
of
the
location
of
the
proposed
hotel
and
mixed-use
facility.
F
It
is
in
an
area
of
downtown
that's
been
identified
as
the
highest
level
of
heat
vulnerability,
highest
rating
in
the
core
of
downtown
and
without
doing
anything,
these
projects
continue
to
contribute
to
the
heat.
Island
impact,
I,
understand
the
positive
aspects
of
storm
tech
systems
and
we're
going
to
need
to
know
what
the
storm
water
management
system
is
on
this,
but
I
know
there
are
many
positives
to
this
and
I'm
a
landscape
architect
and
many
of
the
projects
that
I
work
on
with
civil
engineers.
The
best
way
of
managing
stormwater
is
through
storm
tag.
F
I
also
know
that
it's
the
easiest
to
install,
but
it
can
also
be
the
most
expensive
to
maintain
even
more
so
stormtech
systems
are
single
infrastructure
or
single
purpose
infrastructure.
They
do
one
thing,
and
that
is
they
convey
storm
water
and
they
meet
the
requirements.
That's
it
personally,
committee
members
I
think
that
we
need
systems
that
do
more
than
just
provide
one.
F
It's
that
difficult,
and
it's
not
that
the
owner
has
to
shoulder
the
costs
of
green
roofs.
There
are
many
benefits
to
the
owner.
We
all
know
several
of
them
longer.
Life
expectancy
to
the
roofing
membrane,
lower
cooling
costs
potential
overall,
less
expensive
to
install
actually
than
some
storm
tech
systems.
F
The
biggest
benefits
that
I
see
are
that
green
roofs
can
actually
capture
up
to
80
percent
of
the
storm
water
before
it
hits,
in
this
case,
a
very
aging
infrastructure
system.
We
have
here
and
I
know
every
city
medium
to
large
size
city
in
the
Southeast
has
this
issue,
but
our
system
is
in
a
critical
state
in
some
areas
and
downhill
from
this
site.
F
There's
a
multi-million
dollar
infrastructure
project
to
try
to
help
correct
some
of
those,
but
up
to
80
percent,
less
storm
water
would
be
going
into
the
system
if
a
green
roof
system
were
used
here
and
just
to
get
a
sense
of
that
for
everybody
else
here
and
for
those
anybody,
that's
watching
recording
of
this
and
a
common
basic
storm
or
basic
rainfall
event.
A
green
roof
can
capture
up
to
100
of
the
water
in
a
10-year
storm.
It
can
catch
up
to
80
percent.
F
F
Are
that
it
brings
biodiversity
within
the
city
such
as
native
pollinator
species?
We
have
several
great
examples:
downtown
of
green
roofs
and
the
activity
that
takes
place
on
these
roofs
is
astounding.
If
you
get
up
there
and
look
at
these
and
study
them,
the
pollinators
that
are
up
there
and
the
beauty
that
occurs,
it
also
lowers
the
service
surface
temperature
downtown,
helping
us
to
fight
the
urban
heat
island
impact.
So
I
think
that
if
this
has
not
been
explored
with
the
owner,
it
should
be
and
again
I
feel
like.
F
There
are
many
aspects
of
this
project
that
point
to
a
perfect
case
scenario
for
a
green
roof
system,
and
if,
in
addition
to
that,
I
think
that
meeting
meeting
minimum
requirements
in
streetscapes
is
not
what
we
want
to
see
with
Hotel
projects
moving
forward
that
are
within
our
purview.
Thank
you,
chair.
D
F
Well,
I
think
it
would
be,
it
would
be
a
level
of
design.
It
would
be
some.
It
would
be
an
element
that
would
be
designed,
such
as
something
that
is
actually
engaging
pedestrians
as
they
walk
by,
and
that
can
be
a
combination
of
an
integrated
planter
system.
That's
a
part
of
the
building
at
the
base,
rather
than
have
a
sidewalk
and
then
the
building
coming
straight
down
and
there's.
N
F
Zone
there,
it
could
also
be
with
the
use
of
color.
You
know
we're
in
one
of
those
creative
cities
in
America
and
this
streetscape
could
be
in
you
know:
Akron
Ohio
and
the
use
of
color
the
use
of
Street
Furnishings
things
that
engage
pedestrians
in
this
case
for
marketing
of
the
hotel.
It's
easy
on
the
Carroll
Street
side,
because
you
know
you've
got
guests
coming
and
waiting
and
people
coming
into
the
new
restaurants
and
there's
just
no
sign
of
any
type
of
creative
exploration
of
how
to
activate
these
treats.
B
I
would
also
add
that
we
would
want
to
see
something
more
than
just
our
the
minimum
tree
grading
design,
but
something
like
a
silver
cell
or
other
suspended
Paving
kind
of
system
to
increase
the
good
soil
volume.
And
that's.
F
Also,
a
storm
water
mitigation
measure.
The
city
does
have
in
place
these
new
minimum
requirements
for
soil
area,
which
this
project
is
meeting,
but
obviously
the
silver
cell
system
kind
of
takes
that
to
the
next
level
right.
So
but
this
project,
the
the
tree
grades,
are
showing
the
required
okay
minimum,
which
is
a
lot
more
than
we
used
to
see.
But
one
thought
in
the
streetscape
in
this
case
is
you
know
what
not
to
do,
especially
because
there's
not
on
street
parking?
F
Perhaps
even
save
money
into
a
green
band
of
low
ground
cover
plantings,
we're
not
going
to
have
pedestrians
walk
over
it
and
imagine
how
that
would
enliven
that
space
these
streets
need
all
the
helping
yeah
they
got
a
long
way
to
go.
So
that's
another
example
of
how
to
you
know
enliven
the
streetscape.
M
These
types,
I
think
I'm
a
landscape
architect,
as
he
said,
I'm
a
civil
engineer.
I
think
these
are
great
ideas
but
they're
not
what
are
in
Udo
right
now
and
they
are
not
what
Public
Works
is
looking
for
right
now.
Public
Works
doesn't
have
the
staff
to
maintain
what's
required
by
Udo
now,
and
that
was
that
was
the
answer.
I
got
from
public
works,
so
I
think
this
is
a
great
conversation
to
have
with
with
public
works
and
having
sat
on
pnz
for
six
years.
M
M
Also,
there
has
to
be
some
sort
of,
and
that
was
the
reason
we
had
a
hotel
moratorium
for
the
period
that
we
did
was
to
provide
that
defined,
objective
program
that
a
Hospitality
developer
would
have
to
meet
in
order
to
get
their
project
accepted
without
having
to
go
through
Council
or
with
having
to
go
through
Council.
F
So
these
are
valid,
I
agree,
I
mean,
and
we
completely
I
completely
understand
what
you're
saying
Tony.
There
are
minimum
requirements
that
are
set
forth
in
unified
development,
ordinance
that
hotels,
Apartments
commercial
buildings
have
to
meet
in
this
case.
F
As
we
vote,
you
know,
there's
always
the
option
for
a
developer,
especially
for
a
hotel
to
go
beyond
the
minimum,
and
if
they
choose
not
to
my
thought,
is
they
can
just
go
to
City
Council,
it's
as
easy
as
that,
but
this
has
all
been
the
amount
of
pressure
that
has
been
put
on
us
to
try
and
get
the
best
products
in
the
in
a
fair
way
out
of
developers
is
huge,
I
mean
it's,
it's
huge.
F
We
get
comments
every
time
a
hotel
comes
through
here,
and
what
we're
talking
about
are
not
items
that
potentially
would
have
a
significant
impact
on
cost
and
budget.
We're
talking
about
design
and
we're
talking
about
exploration
and
not
just
going
strictly
by
what's
in
the
Udo
I'm
in
the
same
business.
I
totally
understand.
I,
also
understand
client
expectations
and
budgets
play.
K
M
F
It's
not
that
the
city
doesn't
want
you're
talking
about
public
works,
that
it's
not
their
job,
to
give
feedback
on
streetscape
design,
they're,
not
they're,
not
Landscape,
Architects
they're,
looking
at
the
minimum
requirements
and
they're
checking
off
the
list,
and
if
the
developer's,
like
okay
I'm
at
the
minimum
two
inch
caliper
tree
I
made
the
minimum.
You
know
requirements
across
the
board.
F
Imagine
what
this
town
would
look
like
it's
going
to
continue
to
look
like
some
of
the
buildings
that
have
come
up
now
now,
if
it's
an
apartment
building
that
comes
in
front
of
us,
it's
mandatory
view
review
voluntary
compliance.
You
know
we
give
comments
a
lot
of
times.
Those
apartment
developers
will
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
meet
us
halfway
on
hotels.
It's
mandatory
review,
mandatory
compliance
within.
G
F
B
So
I
really
don't
let
me
let
me
let
me
chime
in
there.
So
what
does
he
do
if,
if
we
request
like
the
band
I,
think
you
know
like
a
planting
strip
or
something
like
that
between
the
curb
and
the
sidewalk
and
then
Public
Work
says
no
well.
G
F
I
think
that,
just
like
every
other
city,
especially
in
front
of
a
hotel
I
mean
I'll,
get
an
example.
You.
D
B
G
F
Right
right
and
I
I
think
that
in
large
part,
part
of
this
might
be
communication
with
City
staff.
But
if
you
considered
the
long-term
maintenance
of
Street
grades
and
trees,
and
then
the
I
mean
a
lot
of
This
falls
on
the
responsibility
of
the
property
owner.
I
I
see
every
single
day
two
people
with
brooms
and
blowers
clearing
every
square
inch
of
every
bit
of
sidewalk
around
an
entire
block
area
as
a
business
because
sure
and.
D
I
I
think
the
point
that
I'm
taking
from
this,
regardless
of
this
specific
suggestion,
if
we
require
anything
that
they
won't
require,
they
Trump
I
mean
they
would
be
approved,
that's
subject
to
approval
by
TRC.
We
can't
make
the
city
TRC
been
to
our
will
correct.
Okay,
in
that
regard
like,
if
you
like
what
I
was
trying.
M
G
M
Right,
that's
a
problem.
Well,
let
me
address
the
specific
example
that
you
mentioned,
and
you
brought
up
a
few
moments
ago
having
this
green
band
along
the
along
the
street,
and
you
made
the
comment
that
people
aren't
parallel
parking
there.
So
there's
no
traffic
there
you're
familiar
with
Ann,
Street
I,
think
as
well
as
I
am
the
population
currently
on
Ann
Street
doesn't
use,
sidewalks,
doesn't
use
trails
and
I'm,
not
denigrating.
This
population
I've
lived
with
them
for
six
years.
I
know,
I,
know
how
things
operate
and
I
know.
M
We
have
board
members
from
Homeward
Bound
in
the
audience
with
us
right
now.
There
is
no.
There
are
goat
Trails
all
over
Asheville
there's
no
prediction
of
where
people
walk.
So
there
have
to
be
opportunities
for
people
to
get
from
the
street,
even
where
there's
not
a
crosswalk
into
the
development
so
and.
F
F
Well,
Tony
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
my
concerns.
This
is
definitely
not
personal,
but.
F
The
storm
water
and
the
site
design,
but
storm
water,
especially
so.
B
If
Stephen
leaves
there
anything
regarding
The
Pedestrian
experience
places
to
sit
things
like
that
that
you
would
want
them
to
investigate
that
would
be
allowed.
F
Well,
I
mean
I,
know
it's
a
challenge
because
the
street
has
a
slow,
but
you
know
there
may
be
points
at
the
hotel
entry
points
at
the
residence
entry.
There's
just
no
evidence
that
anything
has
been
looked
at
so.
D
Speaking
of
someone
who's
been
on
this
street
for
20
years
every
day,
my
guess
is:
there's
a
hesitation
to
provide
that
type
of
amenity,
because
the
people
who
are
coming
to
Homeward
Bound
will
take
over
right
and
it's
happening
now.
They
expanded
the
sidewalk
to
10
feet
and
it
becomes
a
place
where
I
go
there
every
day,
people
who
are
camping
and
sleeping
with
all
of
their
possessions.
So
that
is
really
not
our
purview,
because
we
should
follow
the
law
law
says:
there's
no
parking
on
the
street.
D
F
D
F
And
something
that
meets
the
goals
of
the
developer,
I
mean
I,
didn't
even
mention
the
huge
marketing
potential
I
mean
there
were
people
that
would
stay
in
a
hotel
if
they
knew
that
there
were.
There
was
a
green
roof
on
it
and
there
was
active
pollination
and
bees
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
I'm
just
saying
it
shows.
There's
there's
been
an
analysis
that
is
not
even
a
more
practical.
F
J
F
G
M
M
F
M
M
Impervious
compared
to
what
was
there,
as
you
may
know,
this
was
the
Citizen
Times
parking
lot
for
decades
and
it
was
just
a
big
black
asphalt
pad
which
contributes
to
the
heat
island
effect
that
you
were
talking
about.
But
the
point
that
I'm
trying
to
make
just
with
this
as
well
as
other
items
is
there
needs
to
be
that
coordination
with
the
city
departments
and-
and
they
you
know,
maybe
you're
right.
They
shouldn't
be
the
ones
who
dictate
it.
Maybe
they
should
be
accommodating
of
these.
F
Well,
I
I
think
maybe
if
some
of
it
was
presented
to
them.
But
having
said
that,
if
was
any
of
this
presented
to
them,
I.
M
Discussed
with
them
specifically
about
amenities
along
the
along
that
area,
additional
stormwater
measures
other
than
just
standard
standard
detail,
I.
M
For
these
tree
grades
and
the
and
the
soil,
that's
required
that
required
soil
volume.
We're
making
a
change
from
the
standard
detail
that
instead
of
a
washed
Stone
below
the
Walk,
we're
using
a
expanded,
polystyrene,
basically
a
subgrade
that
the
walk
sits
on.
We
had
I
had
that
discussion
with
I
forget
Nancy
or
somebody
against
Walmart
to
make
that
change,
but
anyway,
so
so
I've
had
these
discussions
and
and
if
they're,
you
know
if
they're,
quantifiable
and
I
know
when
we
get
to
TRC
they're
going
to
be
approved,
that's
great.
M
But
if
I
go
to
that
extra
effort.
As
a
result
of
you
know
a
TRC
meeting
or
a
DRC
or
pnz
if
I
go
back
and
I
make
those
changes
and
I
spend
that
time.
My
clients
money
to
make
those
changes
and
I
get
to
that
final
TRC
and
I'm
kicked
back
because
of
those
very
things
that
we
were
asked
to
include.
That's
really
problematic.
F
Well,
I
can
tell
you
that
every
Hotel
we've
reviewed
in
the
last
year
these
items
have
been
brought
up
and
I
can
also
tell
you
that
every
citizen
in
this
town
would
benefit
from
improved
stormwater
measures,
especially
something
similar
to
a
green
roof
it
if,
if
we're
feasible
and
I
feel
like
this,
is
a
project
perfect
for
that
and
I
think
we
probably
need
to
move
to
architecture.
I
Yeah
trench
ideas,
interesting
but
short
of
that
it
sounds
like
you've
plugged
in
the
right
amount
of
trees
to
meet
Udo,
Street,
trees
and
I.
Think
that
what
he's
saying
is
why
not?
Why
stop
it,
the
minimum
number
of
trees,
and
even
if
we
can't
get
a
longer
trench,
Public
Works,
isn't
going
to
have
a
problem
with
four
more
trees
per.
I
Or
larger
trees,
and
and
also
instead
of
the
trench,
it
could
be
pervious
Paving,
switching
to
pervious
bathing
I.
Guess
the
water's
going
to
feed
away
on
the
sidewalk
towards
the
curb,
so
that
would
at
least
drain
percolate
the
storm
water
on
the
sidewalk
at
least
so
just
little
stuff
like
that
and
I
agree
with
stew,
and
that
it
could
save
money.
You
know
just
who.
M
Knows
I
I
think
that
I
think
increasing
the
number
of
trees
would
be
something
that
my
client
would
would
probably
consider.
I
would
have
to
look
at
the
spacing
and
see
that
we're
not
getting
too
close.
F
Certainly
discuss
it,
it
looks
pretty
full
now
to
meet
the
minimum
standard
so
and.
M
That's
always
a
challenge.
You
know
we're
already
locating
trees
in
the
site
triangle
which
is
allowed
if
there
are
required
Street
trees,
but
they're
not
happy
about
it.
You
know
transportation
and
Public
Works,
don't
like
Street
trees
and
side
triangles
people
who
drive
cars,
don't
like
Street
trees
and
dry
inside
triangles,
and
you
understand
why
but
they're
allowed
as
an
exception
for
Street
trees
in
you
know
in
that
situation,
but
we'll
certainly
go
back
and
look
at
that
permeable
pavement
is
a
great
tool
in
the
right
geology.
Asheville
is
not
a
great
geology
for
that.
M
It's
you.
You
essentially
have
to
create
a
space
below
that
permeable
pavement
to
receive
that
water,
because
most
of
the
soils
in
this
area
don't
percolate
well,
so
it
becomes
a
more
expensive
product
or
more
expensive
implementation
than
let's
say,
Morehead,
City
or
somewhere.
Like
that,
it's
something
that
we
all
always
consider
and
it
tends
to
be
site-specific
whether
or
not
it's
you
know
it's
applicable,
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
though,
and
I
I
appreciate
it
and
those
kinds
of
ideas
are
very
helpful
because
those
like
you
said
those
are
ones
that
we
know.
F
My
last
comment:
I'm
going
to
be
quiet
but
again,
I
started
off
by
saying
I
wish
that
the
site
design
could
follow
the
same
level
of
effort
as
architecture,
the
architecture
and
the
building
and
the
structure
meet
minimum
building
codes
and
they
meet
TRC,
but
there's
also
design
and
architecture
that
goes
well
beyond
those
requirements.
Trc
does
not
address
minimum
standards
with
that
other
than
in
administration
and
setback.
So
but
anyway,
that's
those.
D
B
I'm
up,
okay,
I
got
three
main
things:
sight.
Lighting
is
really
not
in
our
purview,
but
one
of
the
things
we
would
I'd
like
to
kind
of
know
a
little
bit
more
about
how
the
the
building's
being
lit.
But
my
I
want
to
talk
about
the
North
and
South
elevations
I
want
to
talk
about
the
Ann
Street
design
and
then
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
recent
revision
on
the
cap,
so
first
the
North
and
the
South
elevations.
Obviously
we
understand
you
know
property
lines
and
stuff
like
that.
B
We
understand
that
you
can't
always
do
the
fenestration
there,
but
I,
especially,
and
it's
a
little
bit
difficult
to
see
on
those
North
and
South
elevations,
but
the
north
really
there's
just
no
articulation
on
on
that
facade.
B
It
is.
It
is
just
pretty
well
blank
I
think
when
I
was
looking
at
the
architectural
there
was
more
on
the
south
than
was
showing
up
in
the
rendering
and
the
rendering
it
looked
like
a
gray
block,
but
it
looked
like
there
was
a
little
bit
more
articulate
on
the
south.
So
please
don't
say
mural,
but
is
there
something
you
can
do
on
that
architecturally
to
articulate
you
know,
planes
and
and
detail?
Because
let
me
let
me
back
up
first,
because
we
had
a
good
conversation
back
in
October
I.
B
B
I
I,
like
it
I'm
I'm,
super
pleased
with
you
know
what
you're
bringing
I'm
happy
to
see
this
come
to
Asheville
and
then
I.
Look
at
this
I'm,
like
oh
man,
I
wish
I
had
some
more
of
what
I
have
on
on
and
on
Carter
Street
I
know.
I
can't
have
all
of
that
right
here
and
I
know
it's.
You
know
there
might
be
a
building
built
up
against
it
in
the
near
future
or
there
might
not.
I
would
just
like
to
see
that
articulated.
B
N
Is
to
incorporate
some
nice
depth
in
the
facade
with
some
brick
detailing
and
even
where
the
building
transitions
to
efis
we've
taken
some
of
that
same
detailing
and
applied
it
to
the
ephes,
so
I
think
we
can
certainly
start
to
do
that
on
on
the
the
portions
that
touch
the
property
line,
even
though
we
can't
have
Administration
there.
I
think
this
elevation
in
particular
is
a
bit
deceptive,
because
the
site,
you
know.
G
N
There,
but
but
great
box
right.
B
The
property,
like
you,
you've,
done
a
detail
where
you've
put
the
screen
over
an
opaque
piece
in
a
couple
places
and
that's
a
very
special
piece.
So
I
don't
want
you
to
do
the
same
thing
there
sure,
but
something
like
that
narrower
pieces,
where
you're
applying
that
screening
and
applying
that
articulation
on
this
elevation
I
think
would
go
a
long
way.
B
We've
got
other
other
folks
here,
that'll
chime
in
on
that.
So
that's
my
North
and
South
elevation
bit
the
the
the
I'm
getting
my
streets,
the
Ann
Street
piece
is
more
developed
than
it
was
before.
Can
you
go
to
that
piece
like
one
of
the
renderings?
D
G
B
One
right
there
that
one
right
there
North
End,
Street
View,
so.
B
B
Stuff
of
this,
but
I
kind
of
want
it
there's
two
things,
especially
in
the
North
End
street
view.
It
feels
like
it's
a
gray
box
that
has
a
little
applique
to
it
in
the
in,
in
the
way,
that's
being
rendered
right
now.
B
I
I
want
this
to
be
related
to
the
building,
but
to
be
more
of
its
own
thing
it
right
now.
It's
just
it
could
be
a
really
special
piece
and-
and
it's
not
yet
it's
a
little
bit
more
of
an
afterthought
to
the
rest
of
the
building
and
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
the
big
building
Beyond
it
so
that
this
feels
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
else
feels
this
way.
B
But
I
just
I
keep
I
keep
looking
at
this,
like
man,
that
could
be
a
sweet,
little
Jewel
box
and
it's
kind
of
not
right
now
and
so
part
of
what
I'm
reacting
to
is
that
you've
done
such
a
great
job
on
the
other
side
and
I'm,
not
quite
seeing
the
same
level
and
I
know
it
can't
be
because
you
got
to
have
a
rear
entrance
and
I
understand
all
that.
But
this
is
It's
kind
of
its
own
thing.
B
There
will
be
a
retail
space
there
and
then
there's
the
space
for
the
residences
above
and
so
I
kind
of
want
to
see
the
same
level
of
thought
that
you
gave
to
the
Carter
Street
side
of
this
side.
Yeah.
N
N
Sure
yeah
I
mean
so
we've
taken
the
brick
detailing
from
Carter
and
and
applied
it
here.
I
think
I
mean
I.
Do
get
your
point
of
sort
of
the
thin
veneer
from
this
angle.
On
the
other
side,
where,
on
the
image
on
the
right,
you
know
the
brick
does
return,
you
know
the
full
depth
and
kind
of
creates
that
almost
Pavilion
space,
that
is
the
Outdoor
space
to
that
meeting
space.
On
the
on
the
second
floor,
which.
N
Of
this
is
driven
by
Hotel
Brands
and
their
desires
to
really
make
sure
that
the
the
presence
of
the
hotel
is
is
apparent.
The
brand
is
apparent
on
all
facades
and
all
entries
into
the
to
the
hotel,
but
I'm.
Certainly
the
point
mistaken
and
maybe.
B
Maybe
it's
something
one
of
the
things
I'm
reacting
to
is
that
the
hotel
looks
like
a
hotel,
but
this
is
retail,
so
I
would
like
the
retail
piece.
There's
there's
some.
There
should
be
something
going
on
that
Clues
me
in
that
this
is
for
public
use
in
a
way
that
the
other
side
is
not
I
can't
get
more
specific
than.
B
You
know
the
fenestration
is
exactly
the
same
as
on
the
other
side
of
the
screens
are
the
same
but
I
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
articulating
it
very
well,
but
this
is
okay,
but
it
could
be
great
and
you're
clearly
capable
of
great.
So,
let's,
let's
see.
N
B
Last
thing
is
that
when
you
revise
the
cap,
we
lost
something
I,
don't
know
how
to
bring
that
up.
So
the
in
in
in
this
model,
the
the
the
the
the
break
in
the
in
the
big.
B
There
you
can
see
it
right,
there
was
it.
It
made
really
good
sense
to
me.
Like
you
know,
you
were
taking
that
vertical
element
up
and
expressing
that
well
and
breaking
the
cap
made
sense
and
the
revised
renderings
it
got
real
muddy
like
where
the
brake
is
and
what's
going
on
up
there
and
I
understand
that
you're
doing
something,
there's
something
about
the
heights,
but
it's
not
working
yet
and
I,
don't
know
how
to
just
express
it
other
than
that.
It's
just
the
BR
where
you
broke.
The
big
cap.
N
J
G
Street
was,
was,
this
is
too
much
and.
N
And
we
we're
trying
to
accentuate
that
horizontality
and
sort
of
set
off
that
top
floor,
which
is
going
to
be
a
bar
restaurant
yeah.
G
L
C
N
Debating
on
that
and
I
broke
it
where
the
the
hotel
entry
was,
but
but
no
I
think
standing
back
and
getting
additional
feedback
on
it.
I
think
you're
right,
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
it's
it's
a
could
be
a
blending
of
the
two
I
mean
there's,
certainly
a
a.
G
P
In
general,
you
bring
up
the
the
head-on
rendering
I
think
I.
Think
there's
a
couple
of
years
original.
P
Yeah
yeah,
that's
it
so
you
know
in
in
the
original.
It
was
a
very
clear
vertical
element
like
Brian's
saying
it
was
breaking
the
the
roof
line
right,
but
here
the
roof
line
is
broken,
but
not
with
the
vertical
element
right
right.
So,
if
you
take,
you
know,
even
if
you
pull
the
the
proof
back,
that's
already
going
to
start
to
bring
that
element
a
little
bit
back
in
right
and
I
would
also
suggest.
P
Metal
panel,
if
that,
if
that
goes
to
a
lighter,
a
color
that
starts
to
then
blend
back
with
that
vertical
expression,
right
and
I
was
going
to
suggest
one
thing
on
the
I
think
I
think
the
color,
particularly
on
the
and
Street
side
it
I
think
color
is
definitely
something
that's
going
to
help.
You
I
think,
there's
a
yeah,
I,
think
I
think
there's
there's
a
that
that
Ann
Street
side
just
sort
of
all
Blends
together-
and
you
just
have
this
sort
of
mass
and.
J
F
P
G
P
And
then
the
the
the
screening
I
think
it's
beautiful
I
would
suggest
where
you
use
that
screen
at
the
street
level
change
the
pattern
to
something
a
little
tighter.
You
know,
so
it's
responding
to
the
you
know,
we're
bringing
it
down
and
we'll
bring
it
to
pedestrian
scale
so
where
people
can
touch
it
or
it
can
almost
jump
up
and
touch
it.
It'll
be
sing
pattern
but
something
a
little
tighter,
which
you
know
when
you're
standing
there
in
reality
because
of
the
force
perspective,
it's
going
to
look
the
same
sure
right,
yeah,.
N
It
actually
does
change
in
a
few
different
locations.
It's
I
think
it's
evident
in
the
sort
of
distant
rendering
and
we're
certainly
we'll
continue
to
develop
that
and
you
know
trying
to
tie
it
in
the
pattern
itself
tying
into
some
elements
of
the
Interior.
So
it
really
is
telling
a
story
about
the.
I
G
N
I
I
L
It
seems
so
I
guess
I
think
it's
down,
I
think
it's
down
there.
The
other
way
go
to
the
end
of
the
document.
Yeah.
L
N
I
Because
the
tower
is
set
back
from
the
property
line,
a
Podium,
it
sits
on
on
12
to
20
feet
or
so
are
you
at
your
limit
for
openings
on
that
South
End
wall
in
the
tower?
No.
N
There,
before
the
the
Restaurant
level
are,
are
apartments
or
condos,
and
so
that
has
a
different
layout
and
we've
been
able
to
get
Windows
there.
The
way
the
guest
rooms
for
the
hotel
are
currently
configured.
Typically,
we
wouldn't
even
have
in
Windows
like
that,
but
we've
added
some
in
to
work
with
the
requirements
that
the
you
know
the
brand
puts
on
us
for
for
hotel
room,
layouts
and
then
below
that
you
know
I
think
we
could.
We've
got
some
on
the
front
and
then
we've
got
kitchen
space.
N
So
there's
you
know
didn't
necessarily
want
to
have
Windows
looking
into
a
utilitarian
space
like
that
and
then
below
that
garage.
N
N
You
know
for
other
code
reasons,
obviously,
but
I
think
we
could
potentially
add
some
opening
on
the
tower
piece,
along
with
some
a
little
more
modulation
of
just
the
facade
itself,
just
to
give
some
Shadow
and
depth
to
it.
It
almost
looks
like
there.
I
There's
a
hallway
there
so
go
to
window
at
the
end
of
the
hallway
great
thing:
to
bring
some
Lloyd
into
the
hallway
and
I
know
that
might
get
kind
of
weird
to
have
a
vertical
stripe
down
the
middle,
but
I
think
the
top
of
it
looks
great
and
if
you
could
just
bring
the
fenestration
down
a
few
more
floor
levels-
and
you
know
it'll
be
great
for
you.
Why
not
and
eventually,
hopefully
something
will
come
up
below
it
to
the
South.
So
yeah.
N
I
think
in
that
portion,
obviously,
where
the
parking
is,
we
are
right
on
the
property
line,
so
there's
really
nothing.
We
can
do
there,
but
it's
so
far
back
into
the
side,
I
think
less
of
a
concern
but
yeah
where
we've
pulled
the
tower
away
it
is.
It
is
far
enough
away
that
we
could.
We
could
probably
increase
that
a
little
bit.
G
C
G
D
And
just
for
some
discussion
amongst
ourselves,
so
my
the
piece
I'm
struggling
with
Stephen
Lee
is
well.
Do
we
need
public.
H
C
D
D
M
It's
a
contribution
to
the
affordable
housing.
Okay
and
there
was
a
there-
was
a
small
portion.
10
points,
I
forget
what
it
was
for
for
a
second
component,
but
the
majority
of
it
is:
is
public
housing
or
affordable
housing?
Excuse
me.
D
J
H
G
D
Q
D
Q
My
name
is
Miami
Steins
I'm,
I'm
representative
from
Homeward
Bound
I'm,
a
board
member
I'm,
also
a
contractor
so
on
the
South
Side.
There's
a
retaining
wall
currently
holding
the
parking
structure
more
parking.
What?
What
is
the
plan
for
that
side?
Is
it
going
to
be
retaining
wall,
or
is
that
going
to
be
parking
Foundation?
D
N
Sure
so
the
I
believe
for
the
word
saying
well,
is
on
the
south
side,
I
mean
it
gets,
removed
and
excavated
for
the
levels
of
parking
below.
N
N
N
Is
yeah
I
mean
it's
within
inches
of
the
property
line,
but
it
you
know,
has
a
solid
wall.
Obviously
it
it
would.
N
D
J
Right,
obviously,
we
are
concerned
about
the
Safety
and
Security
of
our
clients
and
assume
that
everybody
in
the
room
is
concerned
about
the
Safety
and
Security
of
the
hotel
residents
and
their
guests
and
the
tenants
there.
So
we're
just
curious
about,
what's
being
done
to
address
those
issues
within
the
context
of
the
design
or
anything
else.
In
conjunction
with
the
project.
D
Okay,
before
we
try
to
get
that
answered,
I'm
just
going
to
continue
with
public
comment
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
that.
Is
there
any
other
public
comment?
Please.
R
David
Bailey
interim
interim
executive
at
Homeward
bound
just
a
couple
comments:
wanna.
We
were
at
a
community
meeting
last
week
with
the
property
that's
going
to
be
developed
on
the
South
Side,
so
I
hope
we'll
be
bordered
by
two
large
large
developments
and
I'm
and
I
like
what
you
said.
R
Mr
Johnson,
in
terms
of
your
soda
now,
reflecting
what's
best
for
Asheville
and
I'm,
wondering
how
we've
not
had
a
conversation
with
the
with
owners
about
how
this
sort
of
serves
the
best
interests
of
of
the
clients
that
we're
serving
for
the
Greater,
Community
plus
so
I'm
curious
about
how
that
gets
integrated
into
the
plan.
Yes
or
no
and
aligned
with
that
was
the
talk
about
the
this
being
a
key
pedestrian
street.
R
It
sounds
like
it's
not,
and
yet
it's
we've
got
a
hotel
to
the
South
Hotel
to
the
north
hotel
to
the
Northeast
and
a
hotel
across
across
across
the
street,
and
it
seems
like
there
ought
to
be
some
cumulative
effect
about
about
that
and
the
same
thing
I
asked
this
question
last
week:
around
traffic,
very
narrow
streets,
no
street
parking
and
I'm,
not
hurting
discussion,
sort
of-
and
this
speaks
to
the
safety
not
only
of
the
clients
of
a
hope,
but
also
the
pedestrians
who
are
accessing
that
that
that
area.
D
N
Social
question
that
I
think
is
a
tough
one
to
tackle,
but
I
think
from
the
design
perspective
and-
and
you
know,
certainly
from
the
comments
we've
received
from
from
you
all
and
our
informal
I
think,
first
and
foremost,
by
putting
activity
on
on
both
street
frontages
is,
you
know,
I
think
it
serves
all
the
communities
it
gives
life
to
the
streets
it
gives
puts
eyes
on
the
streets.
Certainly,
in
addition
to
that,
we
will
have
some.
You.
N
Lighting
to
light
up
the
sidewalk,
either
through
Street
lighting
or
you
know,
additional
building
accent,
lighting
that
will
filter
out
on
the
street
and
add
to
that
from
a
from
a
safety
perspective.
I
think
you
know,
we've
made
a
conscious
effort
where
we
can
not
to
create
sort
of
hidden
niches
on
the
facade
where
you
know
that
kind
of
create
dark.
G
C
Side
to
side
and
having
something
on
the
public,
you
know
places
to
sit
or
things
like
that,
and
somebody
mentioned
that
right
now
the
streets
were
used
by
people
and
like
I,
feel
like
the
more
activation
we
have
on
a
street
level.
The
safer
everyone
is
but
I
mean
I.
Haven't
it's
my
opinion.
M
That
that's
the
opinion
that
I
expressed
at
the
neighborhood
meeting
regarding
the
other
development
that
will
happen.
South
Homeward,
Bound
and
I
received
some
disagreement
from
the
board
members
of
Homeward
Bound
on
that
item.
I
I
remain
of
the
opinion
that
activation
has
got
to
help
that
situation.
My
client
has
indicated
they
intend
to
have
a
security
guard
24
7
at
this
building,
so
that
will
be
one
of
the
ways
that
they,
in
addition
to
the
lighting
and
so
forth,
that
Matt
just
mentioned.
M
That
will
be
one
of
the
ways
that
they
deal
with
keeping
everybody
safe
and
I
appreciate
that
from
from
both
sides
as
Jeremy
and
I
have
both
said
at
this
point,
we're
very
familiar
with
the
folks
who
are
unhoused
and
having
to
access
the
services
of
Homeward
Bound.
M
The
other
aspect
comes
back
to
the
question
of
public
amenities
on
on
the
street
level
and
the
ability
to
be
able
to
keep
folks
off
of
park
benches
and
be
able
to
clean
off
the
sidewalks
and
so
forth.
Because
you
know
my
experience
in
six
years
of
living
across
the
street
was
that
the
sidewalks
get
used
as
bathrooms
and
everything
else.
D
So
my
only
response
to
that
and
in
defense,
if
Stephen
Lee
is
we
can't
let
the
actions
of
one
business's
clients
dictate
poor
planning
and
poor
public
amenities?
Absolutely
the
law
needs
to
be
enforced,
they
need
to
be
removed
or
you
know
we
just
need
to.
We
have
a
set
of
laws.
We
need
to
respect
each
other,
so.
D
M
D
R
R
R
I
On
your
comment
about
keep
pedestrian
street
I
think
we
learned
from
staff
that
the
only
additional
restriction
and
regulation
that
would
kick
in
would
be
bumping
up
the
storefront
through
the
openings
from
50
percent
of
the
street
level,
facade
to
70
percent
of
the
street
levels
and
gosh,
it
sure,
looks
like
Carter
Street.
I
C
I
I
think
Ann
Street
suffers
a
little
bit
more,
mostly
because
of
the
south
end
of
the
building
below
the
retail
I
think
it
would
be
nice
to
see
more
openings,
but
again,
that's
the
only
pushback
to
keep
pedestrian
street
would
give
us
apparently.
D
D
Created
a
process
of
certainty,
for
this
is
not
a
conditional
zoning
situation
where
we
have
the
reflect.
You
know,
ability
to
to
arbitrarily
require
the
applicant
to
do
things
that
aren't
required.
There's
a
set
of
requirements
and
if
having
a
green
roof,
is
not
a
requirement
for
a
hotel,
I,
don't
see
and
I'm
worried
about
the
president
I'm
worried
about
the
future,
where,
if
it's
a
different
requirement
that
someone
else
had
I
mean.
If
we
don't
provide
that
level
of
certainty,
then
we've
created
a
process
that
won't
be
used
or
that's
flawed.
Well
and
more.
F
Action
I
don't
see
it
that
way,
I
think
that
the
way
that
I
presented
it
was
that
these
are
items
that
need
to
be
explored
as
part
of
a
design
process.
As
you
all
are
aware,
typically,
projects
of
this
scale
come
to
us
numerous
times
and
way
before
TRC
and
we're
able
to
make
these
comments.
F
F
Building
code
is
going
to
let
them
do
minimum
standards
they're
going
to
have
pipe
rail
and
it's
you
know
it's
beyond
minimum
standard.
I
think
that
this
commission
was
reorganized.
This
this
committee
was
reorganized
to
review
the
design
characteristics
of
these
properties
very
carefully
beyond
what
city
council
was
capable
of
doing
beyond
what
the
minimum
requirements
are
in
order
to
try
and
improve
the
overall
quality
of
the
hotels
going
in
Asheville.
F
If
you
look
at
the
hotels
that
went
in
I'm
not
going
to
name
specifics,
if
you
look
at
the
hotels
that
have
been
recently
constructed
before
the
development
of
this
committee,
they're,
not
any
architectural
or
or
streetscape
feature
that
I
think
we
feel
proud
about,
and
if
I'm
incorrect,
y'all
y'all
correct
me,
but
again
that
the
way
we're
put
in
place
to
try
to
help
work
with
developers
which
we
do
every
time
and
we
get
feedback,
we
give
feedback,
they
come
back
to
the
table
and
we
end
up
with
better
products.
F
And
if
you
know,
people
can
go
back
and
look
at
videos
from
years
ago
about
this,
and
you
can
see
how
groups
have
worked
together.
If
you
know
like
I,
said
I
mean
there's,
there
was
a.
There
was
an
attempt
to
make
this
a
better
process
and
not
have
to
take
developers
through
a
a
painful
process
of
going
through
city
council,
where
there
wasn't
careful
thought
about
design.
The
suggestions
that
I
bring
up
in
no
way
reflect
a
suggestion
to
spend
more
costs
on
construction.
F
F
Just
think
that
if
we,
you
know,
why
do
we
even
need
to
be
here
if
they've
met
TRC
requirements,
good
they're
good
to
go
I
mean
you
all
made
comments
on
the
architecture
that
impact
cost
they're,
not
in
building
code
they're,
not
in
North
Carolina
building
code
TRC
doesn't
even
look
at
it.
I
don't
think
the
site
is
any
different,
especially
with
hotels
and
I
wish.
Sage
Turner
was
here
right
now
to
help
Define
this,
but
I
mean
we
have
a
serious
role,
and
this
is
not
something.
H
I
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
Stephen
Lisa
has
said
in
terms
of
meeting
the
requirements.
They
did
a
pretty
good
job,
but
they
just
didn't
go
any
farther.
They.
F
Well,
and
there
are
negative
impacts
that
are
going
to
be
going
to
public
infrastructure
with
this
project,
and
there
are
simple
ways
that
could
be
explored
to
reduce
that,
and
there
are
simple
things
that
could
be
implemented
to
greatly
benefit
the
community.
None.
G
F
I
think
stormwater
mitigation,
creatives
and
unique
stormwater
mitigation
techniques
need
to
be
reviewed
with
the
client
and
cost
comparatives
with
traditional
subsurface
systems
versus
portions
of
the
roof
being
a
green
roof
and
I
think
that,
rather
than
basing
the
standard
tree
grade,
minimum
tree
size
Street
skate
detail,
there
needs
to
be
a
creative
approach
to
it
and
there
needs
to
be
a
creative
approach
to
looking
at
Street
activation
and
I'm.
Not
talking
about
finches
but
but.
D
D
The
overall
downtown
design
guidelines,
and
so
if
we
feel
like
some
of
these
requirements
are
incorporated
or
part
of
those
design
guidelines,
then
that
is
our
basis
of
approval
or
denial
or
you
know,
contributes
to
it
and
I'm.
Okay
with
that,
I
just
want
to
identify
where
it's
coming
from
and
why
and
I
think
it's
important
for
the
the
all.
D
To
understand
that,
because
that
will
also
set
the
bar
for
the
future
so.
H
H
D
F
F
C
That
that
didn't
have
a
problem
with
TRC
right
right
improvements
on
the
site,
at
least
we
just
used
that.
So
it's
not
like
we're
me
being
shocked.
H
G
H
L
D
B
B
It
was
courtesy
review
to
make
sure
they
picked
it
up
like,
for
example,
I
requested
that
the
applicant
makes
some
revisions
basically
to
the
North
and
South
elevations,
and
we
talked
about
different
things
they
could
do.
I
would
make
that
a
condition
of
my
approval
today,
assuming
I'm
I'm
making
the
motion
since
I'm
writing
crop
down
and
so
I
would
make
that
a
condition,
and
then
we
would
have
a
courtesy
review.
Yes,
that's
what
we
meant.
D
H
There
are
a
few
ways
handling
it.
I
think
in
the
past,
you've
been
successful
in
the
way
that
Brian's
described
it
so
that
a
condition
was
made
and
they
made
revisions
the
plans
prior
to
Planning
and
Zoning.
H
We
actually
even
emailed
the
plans
around
to
the
committee
and
they
provided
you
all
provided
some
feedback,
whether
it
met
the
intent
or
not,
and
we
could
convey
that
to
planning
and
zoning
and
then
they
would
come
back
for
an
informal
review
just
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
that
I
think
I
mean
there's
a
possibility
that
they
might
not
address
your
comments
and
then
the
approval
is
given
so
I
think
it
depends
on
the
the
nature
of
the
comments.
B
And
the
well
okay,
so
I
mean
there's
one
thing
to
say:
articulate
the
north
elevation
a
little
bit
more
than
you
have
it's
another
thing
to
say:
we
want
you
to
look
at
doing
a
green
roof
say
over
the
piece
on
Ann
Street
I'm
just
pulling
out
a
portion
of
the
project.
It's
a
big
flat
roof,
that's
a
short
span.
That
would
be
real
simple.
To
do,
I
mean
that's
like
well.
B
G
F
I
What
if
the
condition
was
that
they
reduced
they're,
exporting
a
stone
storm
water
by
10
over
a
baseline
or
what?
If
we
can
like,
create
a
bar
that
gives
that
Latitude
to
meet
it
different
strategies
and
hopefully
it'll
be
a
green
roof
over
that
lower
amount.
But
then,
then
we
we
are
clear.
You
need
to
reduce
your
storm
water
impact
and.
G
B
There
I
can't
remember:
I,
don't
have
the
the
guideline,
but
there's
a
sustainability
guideline
in
the
downtown
guidelines
that
green
roof
is
one
of
the
strategies,
but
it's
only
one
and
it
and
it
meets
several
different
strategies
of
reducing
the
urban
heat
island
and
some.
G
F
Use
it,
but
it's
that
extra
effort
you
know,
like
I,
said
all
these
hotels
could
just
simply
go
to
city,
council
and
we'd
be
done.
We
wouldn't
have
to
have
this
discussion
and
then,
if
they'd
be
at
a
dead,
stop,
but
here's
a
group
that
we're
trying
to
work
together
not
create
substantial
additional
costs.
I
E
D
To
speak
for
the
applicant
I
understand:
there's
a
is,
there
is
delaying
an
option
before
going
to
PNC.
Is
it
even
an
option
to
sort
of
try
to
work
on
these
few
issues
together
and
come
back
here,
and
if
we
have
to
have
a
special
meeting,
but
sooner
I'm
sure
we
can
talk.
G
H
Like
I
mean
I,
think
technically
and
I'm
just
kind
of
my
depth
on
the
legal
use
of
this,
but
it's
possible.
The
project
could
go
to
planning
zoning
commission
for
their
site
plan
review,
which
is
based
only
on
really
the
CBD
zoning
requirements
and
they
could
affirm
their
site
plan
compliance
with
the
zoning
code,
but
still
have
to
get
approval
from
you
all.
In
order
to
kind
of
check
that
box,
the.
D
K
N
I
N
B
H
A
couple
weeks
ads,
I,
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
be
able
to
commune
a
special
meeting
of
this
group
prior
to
planning
zoning
commission.
That's
getting
it.
N
Would
delay
pnz,
probably
we're
certainly
committed
to
working
with
you?
We
just
don't
want
to
try
and
do
not
impact
that
PNC
schedule.
So
you
know
I
think
certainly
the
so.
H
H
Got
to
get
a
final
CRC
final
TRC
is
the
technical
review
final
approval,
which,
once
the
all
those
comments
are
addressed,
the
zoning
permit
can
be
issued,
entitlement
technically
happens
at
planning
and
zoning
commission
I.
Could
we
could
check
going
forward
about
the
possibility
of
them
going
to
planning
zoning
first
before
getting
designer
view?
Approval
I
think
the
they
would
be
I,
guess
kind
of
it
gets
a
little
tricky.
H
D
H
B
We're
not
we're
not
talking
about
driveway
Cuts,
we're
not
talking
about
uses
right
that
we
would
be
talking
about.
Basically,.
H
We
have
to
see
it
and
then
go
from
there
they
might
have
to
if
they
want
to
go
to
planning
zone
in
a
couple
weeks
ahead
first
and
they
could
and
then,
if
they
come
back
with
a
new
design
that
the
DRC
finds
amenable,
then
at
that
point
might
say:
well,
actually
you
have
to
go
back
to
planning
zoning
anyway,
it's
a
little
hard
to
say
without
seeing
it
and
really
getting
into
it.
I.
H
My
gut
is
that
the
changes
would
not
be
substantive
enough
to
need
to
get
a
site
plan
review
again,
but
I
can't
say
for
sure.
Without
knowing
what
those
are
they're
rolling
the
dice
a
little
bit
it
could
save
them,
could
save
them
on
Thor.
Could
they
could
end
up
in
the
same
position
as
they
were
in
with
having
to
be
delayed
and
I
mean.
G
H
H
To
continue
with
their
with
their
advisement,
if
they
didn't
want
to
vote,
if
they
don't
want
to
be
continued
after
a
vote
to
approve
failed,
then
they'd
be
out
of
this
cycle
and
they'd
be
going
to
plant
the
city
city,
council,
I.
Don't
think
we
have
to
have
an
answer
to
going
to
Planning
and
Zoning
the
next
couple
weeks
or
not
today.
I
think
it's
really
just
you
all
improve
the
plans.
H
Do
you
continue
it
until
the
next
meeting
for
the
design,
Review
Committee,
and
then
we
can
work
in
the
meantime
with
I,
think
legal
staff
too
to
determine
what
they
even
can
go
to
Planning
and
Zoning
without
DRC
approval,
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
send
them
to
Planning
and
Zoning.
Today
we
just
have
to
decide
whether
it
continues
the
design,
Review
Committee
for
a
mom,
understood,
okay
or
a
Pat,
or
you
approve
the
design
now
Okay.
D
I
G
M
I
would
definitely
commit
to
what
we
discussed
about
potentially
increasing
the
number
of
trees
and
I
think
we
can
also
commit
to
a
different
Paving
pattern
outside
of
the
required
10-foot
sidewalk,
which
we'll
have
on
both
sides
of
the
the
building,
maybe
pavers,
or
something
like
that.
Something
outside
of
just
your
standard
running
bond
pattern,
concrete,
which
is
the
city
standard
and
basically
we're
being
forced
to
use.
M
M
I'm,
just
talking
about
a
different
Paving
pattern,
correct,
correct
and
I
think
that
to
some
extent
IT
addresses
what
Mr
Johnson
was
was
asking
about
earlier.
D
D
So
I
think
we
want
to
see
it
again
before
they
I
I'm,
getting
the
sense
that
it
may
not
get
approval
if
we're
asked
to
vote
on
it,
but
we
will
vote
on
it
if
the
applicant
wants
us
to,
or
would
you
be
willing
to
come
back
and
we
understand
it
does
delay
your
PNC.
It
doesn't
have
to
delay
your
PNC
just
I'll.
B
I
D
Sense
is
this
project
will
get
approved
if
some
of
these
changes
are
incorporated
into
it,
and
that
is
our
goal
is
to
try
to
help
you
make
the
project
better
and
to
approve
it
and
to
get
you
through
without
having
to
go
to
City
Council,
but
I
think
you
need
to
make
some
of
these
changes.
That's
my
sense,
and
would
you
rather
do
that?
Or
would
you
rather
us
vote
on
it
now
it's
without.
N
D
N
N
N
D
N
G
N
Are
I
think
we
can
provide
more
information
on
those
public
amenity
areas
that
are
outside,
as
well
as
the
the
elevation
we
talked
about
our
preferences,
certainly
not
to
delay
the
you
know
the
schedule
and
because
there's
a
overall
project
schedule
that
we're
committed
to,
but
I
think
we
can
certainly
work.
M
F
P
H
That's
the
planning
zoning
could
affirm
the
site
plan
zoning
level,
but
then
the
design
review
Community
would
still
have
to
approve
the
design
in
order
to
bypass
city
council
review
of
it.
I
think
those
could
happen
interchangeably
if
the
changes
were
changes
to
the
site
plan.
You
might
have
to
go
to
back
to
planning
zoning
anyway,
but
it
would
save
you
a
couple
weeks.
I
mean
it
wouldn't
really
change
your
schedule.
You
still
have
to
be
here
on
on
May
19th
to
get
the
designer
view
committee's
approval.
P
N
Two
and
a
half
I
think
we
can
do
whatever
is
easy.
We
don't
want
to
take
a
look
today.
We
want
to
obviously
work
to.
N
H
G
D
N
D
B
H
L
D
H
D
D
We
have
I'm
gonna,
start
the
discussion.
We
have
an
informal
design
review
for
226
Hilliard
called
The
Duke.
It's
a
level
two
I'm
gonna
use
the
restroom.
While
you
start.
E
A
S
A
E
A
F
H
A
F
D
A
C
D
H
S
S
S
So
we
now
have
this
so
the
project
has
evolved.
It's
had
it's
had
a
lot
of
iterations
and
and
and
changes,
but
what
this
really
does
is
it
focuses
it's
an
Adaptive
reuse
of
the
existing
building,
that's
out
on
site
the
old
Hazen
Lunsford
building,
as
well
as
focusing
the
new
construction
up
at
the
intersection
of
Hilliard
and
Avenue
to
be
respectful
of
the
neighbors
that
we
have
we're
actually
adjacent
to
residential
zoning
single-family
residential
zoning
in
the
back
of
this
project.
So
we've
had
three
neighborhood
meetings
and
this
one
was,
without
a
doubt,
I'm.
S
S
That's
our
only
opening
for
the
the
traffic
and
then
we
have
a
lot
of
we're
utilizing
the
basement
of
the
old
Hazen
Lunsford
for
parking,
it's
residential
parking,
and
so
we've
we're
actually
doing
some
tandem
parking
spaces
because
those
will
be
assigned
spaces
and
then
we've
got
in
essence
a
surface
parking
lot
here
on
the
ground
that
we
then
come
back
and
place
a
residential
building
over
the
top
of.
In
addition
to
the
residential
building,
we've
got
a
small
addition
to
the
existing,
the
old
Hazen
lens
for
building
that
does
a
couple
of
things.
S
S
We
have
a
little
bit
of
area
up
against
the
building,
to
put
some
ground
cover
and
and
Landscaping,
but
then
because
of
the
geometry
of
the
parcel
and
the
right-of-way
of
Ashland,
we
got
rid
of
the
tree
grates
along
the
the
curb
line
and
we
pulled
the
the
street
trees
in
and
then
when
we
got
outside
of
the
right-of-way
we've
kind
of
taken
the
opportunity
to
put
a
lot
more
interest
in
ground
cover,
going
above
and
beyond
the
zoning
minimum
there
with
some
a.
S
With
with
some
ground
cover
and
some
other
trees
and
so
forth,
and
then
just
in
general,
the
site
currently
out,
there
is
a
lot
a
lot
of
pavement
and
while
I
know
surface
slots,
aren't
aren't
really
sexy.
What
we've
done
is
pulled
them
to
the
back
of
the
site,
but
it
also
gives
us
a
lot
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
create
areas
of
green
where
we
can
infiltrate
storm
water,
and
so
we
are
going
to
be
a
reduction
when
we
get
done
with
this
from
the
built
upon
area.
S
That's
out
there
today,
this
you
can
kind
of
see
the
the
building
is
showing
where
the
parking
is
underneath
it
and
that's
where
things
get
a
little
interesting
so
along
the
along.
This
is
Hilliard
Avenue
here
and
then
Ashland
along
Hilliard.
S
We
have
created-
oh
that's,
Ashley,
I'm,
sorry,
along
Hilliard,
we've,
the
an
outlet
Brian
sliver,
get
up
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
it,
but
the
opening
back
up
the
historical
storefront
that
is
seeing
that
that
picture
that
you
see
here
this
area
in
between
is
a
kind
of
a
courtyard
in
between
the
buildings
that
also
provides
entryway
in
from
some
of
the
other
versions
we've
had
at
the
city.
We've
we've
also
introduced
an
accessible
door
along
the
the
key
street
of
Hilliard,
and
then
all
of
these
are
our
residential
on
this
side.
P
S
Okay,
so
when
we'll
take
the
the
kind
of
this
same
type,
fencing
metal
panels
at
the
the
entrance
there
to
the
courtyard
and
kind
of
use
that-
and
it
doesn't
really
show
up
in
this
initial
rendering
as
well
but
kind
of
use
that
along
the
the
ground
plane
to
kind
of
help
screen
and
hide
the
surface
parking
back
there,
as
well
as
the
the
Landscaping
that
I
had
shown
in
that
excessive
right
away,
that
we
have
there.
S
F
F
I
think
what
is
really
interesting
about
this
second
round
is
the
ReUse
of
the
existing
building
in
terms
of
sustainability.
I
think
that
it's
it's
it's
huge.
Obviously,
we
need
as
much
housing
as
possible,
but
in
terms
of
design,
I
think
that's
kind
of
game,
changing
for
the
site
and
just
open
it
up
and
letting
it
breathe
some
and
then
also
all
along
Ashland
being
able
to
get
those.
N
F
In
dirt
changes
that
pedestrian
experience
a
little
bit
Hilliard
is
really
heavily
traveled
by
pedestrians,
and
I
can
completely
understand
the
need
of
tree
grades
in
that
area,
just
to
open
that
up
as
much
as
possible.
So
I
think
that
it's
this
is.
This
is
a
great,
a
better
project
and
I
think
you
know,
looks
good.
Thank.
S
You
thank
you,
I,
wanted
to
point
out
one
more
thing
as
you
made
reference
Stephen
Lee,
so
that
we
do
have
the
residential
neighborhood
in
the
the
rear
here
and
it's
Our
intention
not
to
introduce
vehicular
traffic
here,
we're
working
with
fire
and
public
works
as
to
you
know
how
bicycles
can
still
use
this.
S
We
didn't.
We
were
really
tight
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
grade
change
here
to
try
and
create
a
pedestrian
route
up
the
old
kind
of
pseudo
Grove
Street.
So
what
we've
done
is
we've
created
a
sidewalk
here
along
the
south
end,
so
that
folks,
from
the
neighborhood
have
an
ability
to
get
out
to
Ashland
Avenue,
which
is
a
key
pedestrian,
Corridor
and
so
like
right
now
it's
there
if
you
live.
B
S
Know
there
is
connectivity
in
here
I'm,
not
sure
if
we'll
have
some
type
of
of
fencing
to
promote
or
it's
we,
we
haven't
kind
of
figured
that
out,
but
we
did
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
create
a
an
accessible
route
that
followed
the
grain
grade
plane
as
opposed
to
trying
to
promote
folks
walking
up
the
the
drive
aisle
I.
S
On
yes
and
stairs
Brian
sliver
hit
me
if
I
say
something
wrong
here.
So,
as
you
come
in
from
the
Hillyard
sidewalk
and
into
this,
this
Courtyard
area,
the
steps
that
you
see
right
here
go
up.
Okay
and
we'll
access
we'll
access
the
roof,
and
then
this
set
of
stairs
will
come
down
to
access
the
the
surface
parking
in
this
area.
There's.
B
O
Brian
slaver
with
Carmina
wood
design,
so
basically,
where
we're
going
to
come
in
at
the
courtyard
you're
coming
in
roughly
about
the
street
elevation
of
that
main
front
of
the
building,
but
then
there's
two
levels
below
that
right.
So
the
ground
floor
is
going
to
be
a
part
or
a
parking,
and
then
that
that
kind
of
middle
floor
is
going
to
be
Apartments,
so
we're
still
exploring
structurally
what
we
can
do
with
the
existing
building.
But
it
seems
that
it's
all
just
concrete
columns
and
beams.
O
So
we
should
be
able
to
open
it
up
pretty
well,
so
I
think,
as
we
kind
of
continue
to
develop
that
that
part,
there
could
be
amenity
spaces.
There
might
be
balconies
that
are
coming
off
of
that
inside
face.
So
we're
still
kind
of
exploring
with
our
structural
engineer
that
options.
B
Area
and
what's
going
on
what?
What
are
you
planning
on
designing
in
that
space
that
that
courtyard
space
Chris
I
mean
what?
What
is
that
going
to
be.
B
We
and
I'm,
assuming
that
entire
space.
This
is
where
I
was
going
with.
The
connectivity
kind
of
question:
is
that
I'm,
assuming
whatever
you
design,
there's
for
the
residents
not
for
General
Public
or
is
there
like?
Are
you
gonna
so
and
I
know?
This
is
a
different
design,
but
in
the
previous
design
there
was
kind
of
this
idea
we're
going
to
have
like
retail
and
stuff.
You
know
and
bring
people
in
and
through
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
asking
that
space
between
the
buildings
is
that
going
to
be
activated
public
space?
O
Yeah
so
I
think
both
so
right
now
that
courtyard
designer
serves
Dual
Purpose,
it
serves
as
a
way
to
roll
into
the
site
access
the
commercial
space
that
would
be
there.
B
O
G
O
B
B
Like
whether
that's
ooh
that
that
little
was
supposed
to
go
through-
or
oh
that's
not
for
me
that
that
was
my-
that
was
my
question
and
then
one
last
site
question
on
the
other
side
of
the
building
to
the
right
of
the
diagram,
we're
looking
at
go
by
the
site
plan.
There's
another
big,
concrete
area
on
your
site
plan
yeah
over
here
on
the
other
side
of
the
existing
building.
What
is
that
going
to
be.
O
That
is
currently
what's
out
there
right
now
is
a
small
loading
dock
right.
L
J
A
S
S
They
closed
it
or
Duke.
Energy
that
closed
it,
but
right
now
it's
fenced
off
and
you.
I
S
I
S
I
S
The
neighbors,
you
know
where
we
had
some
some
flexibility
on
where
we
put
planting
materials
for
tree,
canopy
and
so
forth.
We
focus
them
in
that
South
West
Corner
towards
the
residential.
So.
B
A
G
I
S
G
I
Thinking
what
would
happen
if
it
rotated
clockwise
and
it
kind
of
sat
Square
to
Ashland.
O
No
yeah
what
one
of
the
things
we
were
trying
to
do
with
the
larger
right
away
that
was
on
Ashland
was
to
sort
of
set
the
building
back
a
little
bit
and
when
we
were
working
through
one
of
the
biggest
challenges,
that's
been
the
great
changes
in
the
elevation
points.
O
You
know,
I
think
one
of
the
last
comments
we
had
last
time
was
the
importance
of
that
corner
and
trying
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
of
a
nicer
public
spot.
So
our
initial
thought
was
that
became
this
landscape
area.
You
know
give
it
a
little
bit
of
buffer
there's
balconies
on
that
side
that
are
right
there
on
the
street,
so
to
try
to
give
it
a
little
bit
more
room
is
why
we
chose
to
square
up
on
Hilliard
and
then
also
for
the
entrance
point.
T
Yeah
Sean
Saints
from
civil
Design
Concepts,
at
least
on
our
side.
We
wanted
to
line
it
up
with
the
existing
building
so
that
it
created
a
consistent
fabric
of
this
existing
meal
and
not
overpower
that
building,
and
that's
also
why
the
new
one
is
set
back,
aligned
with
it
as
well.
So
it
just
kind
of
created
this,
like
this
consistent
Street,
Front
Edge
as
you're
enjoying
it
so.
I
Well,
if,
if
it
wasn't
sitting
up
on
legs
on
the
south
corner,
the
sidewalk
Falls
in
closer
to
the
building
and
you're
starting
to
kind
of
underneath
the
building
as
you
get
closer
to
it,
yeah.
L
B
So
I
appreciate
the
the
piece
that
you're
doing
on
the
Hazen
Lunsford
building
and
I
I
can't
tell
what
I
think
about
the
rest
of
it.
L
B
Like
the
I
I'm,
getting
the
site
plan,
I
am
I,
am
not
quite
understanding
the
floating
leg
piece
and
the
building
organization.
Well,
so
I've
got
I've
got
three
significant
issues:
the
the
the
the
floating
the
way
the
building
is
completely
kind
of
cut
off
from
the
site
and
floats
and
the
the
spacing
of
the
of
of
you
know:
nothing's
really
lining
up
it's
just
it's
sitting
on
a
Podium,
but
the
podium
doesn't
really
have
anything
to
do
with
the
pieces
that
are
above
it
and
then
there's
no
expression
of
the
podium
itself.
B
It's
just
it's
just
isolated.
It's
it
it
so
there's
that
piece.
The
way
it
connects
there
is
the
there's,
the
the
masking
color
of
the
of
the
building
itself,
which
I'll
speak
more
about
and
then
there's
the
fenestration
that
that
those
nine
over
one
kind
of
single
hundred
double
hung
windows
are
I,
don't
know
I,
just
it
look,
it
doesn't
look
Urban.
B
It
was,
it
was
really,
it
was
really
like.
I
was
like
what
is
throwing
me
off
and
it
I
think
it's
partly
that
and
then
like
there's
some
fun
stuff
going
on
with
like
the
way
you
were
doing
some
things
where
like.
If
you
pushed
a
piece
of
the
building
in
it
changed
color,
but
then
it
was
not
consistent
and
so
I
feel
like
like
you're
doing
several
things,
but
you
don't
know
which
ones
you
want
to
do.
The
most
I
don't
know
how
it's
articulate
that.
B
Somebody
can
help
me
with
with.
B
It's
like
it's
like
wow
that
could
be
like
so
that
I'm
looking
at
this
corner
and
that
L-shaped
piece
you
kind
of
got
this
wrapped
piece
that
goes
around
and
then
you've
got
and
blue
piece
is
expressed,
and
then
the
the
Great
Piece
is
kind
of
pushed
in
and
then
another
one's
pushed
in
further,
but
then
that
that
logic
doesn't
keep
going,
and
so
there's
there's
like
aspects
to
this
that
I'm
like
well,
that
was
that
was
a
good
move.
But
then
it's
not
it's
not!
That
logic
is
not
continued
throughout
the
design.
B
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
making
any
sense
so
I
would
say
that
the
my
main
issues
with
it
are
is
that
one
I
was
like
well
I.
G
B
Kind
of
like
what
you
did
over
here
on
the
Hazen
lunchford
piece-
let's
just
do
more
of
that,
I
would
like
to
see
it
less
residential
in
the
administration
in
the
in
the
choices
you
made
there
and
obviously,
I
would
like
to
see
more
variation
in
those
and
how
you
and
how
you
did
that
and
then
I
don't
think
the
building
knows
how
it's
it's
floating
right.
Now,
that's
just
not
working.
G
C
I
wish
that
when
you
get
off
the
podium,
there
was
something
because
it
looks
like,
and
this
is
early
in,
but
it
looks
like
it
goes
straight
from
the
air
to
metal
panel.
Yeah
yeah,
you
know
so
if
there
was
something
there
because
it
feels
really
thin,
because
those
balconies
are
thin
and
it
just
feels
like
I
know
it
won't
fall
down,
but
it
feels
like
it
needs
something
with
oomph.
G
O
But
I
think
a
lot
of
where
we
have
been
trying
to
find
the
right
way
to
do.
Things
is
especially
along
that
Podium
Edge
down,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
conditions
where
we
get
into
blank
walls.
We
get
into
solid
components
we
get
into
the
garage
or
not
the
garage,
the
parking
area.
You
know
how
open
is
that?
O
How
close
is
it
and
and
and
I
think
our
hope
is
eventually
that
this
becomes
that
that
wedge
between
the
bottom
of
the
podium
and
this
and
the
street
base
It
all
becomes
this
landscape
this
this
kind
of
urban
I
don't
want
to
say
jungle,
but
you
know
some
some
sort
of
green
expression
that
fills
that
void,
because,
yes,
right
now
we're
basically
our
flat
Podium
everything's,
coming
down,
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
with
how
those
components
come
all
the
way
down
to
the
ground.
J
O
It's
then
we
need
to
continue
to
develop
that
I.
Think
part
of
the
you
know,
eclecticness
of
how
some
of
this
stuff
comes
together
stems
from
our
previous
reviews
of
it
being
too
much
of
the
same
two
corporate
too
strict.
So
we
tried
to
go
more
of
that
industrial
panel.
You
know
feed
off
of
the
brick
building
the
existing
building
and
and
go
residential
I
mean
it
is
a
residential
building.
So
I'm
sure
we
had.
O
B
Window
sizes,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things.
You
can.
O
O
G
O
Do
them
for
natural
ventilation,
for
everybody
in
there
they've
got
sliding
doors
for
the
patios
for
the
balconies.
O
Again
we
tried
to
make
this
a
lot
of
what
we
heard
last
time
was
more
of
the
make.
It
eclectic
make
it
look
like
a
bunch
of
small
buildings,
so
we
truly
tried
to
break
this
thing
up
both
horizontally.
O
But,
as
you
all
know,
we're
still
limited
by
what
we
can
do
with
wood
and
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
we
really
tried
to
be
mindful
of
both
our
clients.
You
know
bottom
line
and
and
aesthetically
what
we
can
do
and
physically.
C
K
It's
coming
down
Ashland
or
do
you
have
ventilation
issues?
Are.
O
K
O
Now
we're
showing
some
type
of
screening
from
a
security
standpoint,
but
still
very
open.
K
O
Has
really
been
the
Crux
of
what
we've
been
looking
at
doing,
but
yeah
right
now,
we're
showing
all
those
infills
screened
and
including
the
open
end
on
Ashley.
L
K
I
think
the
changes
you
made
aside
from
like
like
aesthetic
the
major
moves,
I
think
are
making
creating
a
lot
more
interesting,
interstitial
spaces
which,
to
me,
is
really
exciting.
We
see
a
lot
of
like
Podium
buildings
that
are,
you
know,
have
a
pool.
G
K
Middle
or
wrapped
around
parking,
so
this
is
really
exciting
to
see
some
attempt
at
something
more
interesting
and
breaking
up
the
buildings
and
allowing
some
circulation
around
the
site.
So
that
part
is
really
exciting
and
I
think
the
ex
the
facade
and
that
unfor
you
know
I,
would
love
to
see
retail
along
Ashland,
but
I
know
you
know
your
parking
requirements
and
and
the
slope
is
making
it
difficult,
but
you.
J
K
E
O
P
I'll
jump
in
with
a
couple
of
comments.
The
the
comment
about
rules
is
exactly
right.
I
think
I
think
this
is.
R
G
P
Project
for
setting
some
rules
and-
and
you
can
have
a
whole
bunch
of
them
right
because
to
the
earlier.
E
J
P
Is
you
know
it
is
playful
and
it-
and
you
know
it's
colorful
and
it's
and
it's
got
that
you
know
sort
of
the
opposite
of
what
we
looked
at
in
the
kind
of
or
what
the
problem?
The
comment
was
on
the
earlier
project,
but
but
I,
you
know
just
sort
of
following
like
there's.
This
yellow
highlight
that
snakes
around,
but
sometimes
it's
around
the
green
on
the
inside
something
some
the
outside.
Sometimes
it's
just
in
the
blue,
so
there's
there's
just
I,
think
I
think
it
needs
some
rules.
P
I
would
also
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
of
a
reference
to
the
you
know.
The
existing
building
has
looked
like
in
the
in
the
rendering
it's
a
it's
a
brick
veneer,
but
that
doesn't
exist
anywhere
else,
and
you
know
we
were
just
talking
about
how
the
the
towers,
those
vertical
elements
are
just
floating
and
they
really
need
to
come
down
and
they're.
P
You
know
I
think
you've
got
opportunities
to
use
that
same
brick,
particularly
at
you
know,
down
in
the
base
in
some
of
the
detailing
the
right
now,
when
you
look
at
the
head-on
elevation,
existing
building
is
on
on
one
side
and
the
you
know
new
building
is
on
the
other
and
there's
there's
a
reference
that
sort
of
goes
behind
there,
but
that's
way
in
the
back
right.
P
So
the
where,
where
the,
where
the
new
building
comes
in,
there's
no
response
to
the
to
the
existing
building,
there's
you've
got
that
Gateway,
but
the
architecture
on
the
new
side
isn't
responding
to
what's
there
and
that
you
know
you
could
do
something
with.
Even
if
you're
just
doing
you
know,
using
the
material
to
break
material
on
that
corner
same
at
the
you
know,
use
that
at
the
corners
and
then
use
that
that
brick
material
to
receive
those
vertical
elements
that
are
right
now
are
just
are
very
expressive,
but
are
just
floating.
O
Yeah
and
I
think
in
our
again
going
back
to
that
to
that
wedge
on
Ashland.
That
was
all
masonry
before
it
got,
and
it
was
tiered
and
kind
of
all
those
forms
did
come
down
to
the
ground
and
then
again
we
ran
into
all
these
blank
wall
issues
and
working
with
the
city
on
it.
So
I
don't
disagree
with
anything.
He
said
I
think
well
why
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
a
blank
wall.
The
structure
comes
down
and
just
carve
a.
B
G
O
B
G
B
P
S
I
And
it
sounded
like
you
were
heard
suggestions
to
kind
of
break
up
the
massing.
My
feeling
is
you
broke
it
up
too
much
I
too
much
going
on
I
would
I
would
create
some
bigger
chunks,
I
think
those
really
tall,
skinny
brown
pieces,
I,
don't
know
I.
Think
it's
trying
too
hard
to
look
interesting
and
you
can
aggregate
a
couple
of
the
boxes
together
and
make
bigger
boxes
and
still
do
the
same
thing.
But
I
then
that
Ashley's
side.
I
Shows
up
as
a
void
between
the
building,
Footprints
and
I,
hear
you
talking
about
activating
it,
but
nothing
drawn,
which
shows
any
attention
to
activating
it.
I
see
a
parking
lot,
I
see
three
trees
and
I,
see
a
couple
of
terraces
so
and
and
I
think
you
need
to
be
clear
about
that.
That
Gateway
am
I,
saying
that
right,
there's
a
tower
on
the
corner
there
coming
from
Hilliard
into
that
courtyard
and
that
tower
has
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
turn
the
corner
and
draw
folks
in
there.
O
I
You're
not
going
to
use
that
corner
as
kind
of
a
pivot,
then
don't
have
a
tower
thinking.
I,
don't
know
about
the
whole,
the
whole
header
over
that
opening,
I,
don't
know
and
I
think
the
space
can
can
be
great
without
some
sort
of
gateway
to
it.
B
I
think
if
you
made
the
Gateway,
it
needs
to
be
the
yellow
element
and
it
needs
to
be
real
light,
like
you
know,
you're
using
that
yellow
element,
as
kind
of
like
here's,
my
front
entry,
here's
my
corner
kind
of
piece,
and
so,
if
you're
doing
anything
there,
it
needs
to
be
I.
Yeah.
That's
I
was
confused
about
what
that
was
and
and
like
for
who
who
it
was
for.
G
O
O
I
So
to
me,
standing
here
looking
at
drawings,
I
guess
the
Gateway
is
kind
of
important,
but
if
you're
walking
down
the
stream,
what
you're?
Seeing
when
you
look
into
that
space
like
where
the
existing
building
kind
of
juts
out
yeah?
What
are
you
looking
at
there
right
and
as
it
seems
like
if
something
interesting
is
happening,
there
is.
J
I
Space
or
not,
based
on
how
you,
how
you
calculate
the
East
and
North
skin,
of
the
existing
building
or
or
the
residential
Edge
there
so
I
think
you
need
a
lot
of
energy
to
happen
to
make
that
a
great
space.
And
then
you
have
some
cool
like
vertical
stuff
happening
in
some
stairs
right
now
they
just
kind
of
look
like
really
Bland
long,
harsh
stairs.
It's
like
some
metal
sculptural
elements
there
and
use
what's
happening
there
to
make
that
an
interesting
it's.
I
I
And
I
appreciate
the
sidewalk
along
the
South,
Edge
I
hope
it's
not
it's
so
far,
it's
looking
kind
of
like
an
afterthought,
so
it
walks
kind
of
navigates
around
a
trash
dumpster
or
a
dumpster
enclosure
and
gosh.
You
know,
as
I've
said,
that
Southwest
little
parking
spot
area
there
I
don't
know
the
site
that
well
but
I
love
these
smaller
buildings
and
couldn't
you
break
off
a
piece
of
this
bigger
building
or
add
something
on
top
of
that
and
Park
something
in
that
bottom
that
southwest
corner
over
that
parking
lot.